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1 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:18:43am

So why am I always in the "Region" that sucks??

2 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:20:28am

I sure hope they're right... because it looks like things have a long way to catch up before we "really" recover...

Unless "jobless" recovery is considered to be an acceptable goal this time around, that is. ;)

Regards,
Brian

3 Last Mohican  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:20:32am

This AP story appears to refer to the Fed's "Beige Book" survey. Here is the actual report, in .pdf format.

The report is issued every two months. You can find past reports here.

4 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:20:35am

Thank goodness, because I was getting very, very worried.

5 acwgusa  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:20:36am

Mending, yes. Growing? Not for years.

6 Yashmak  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:20:48am

Cool! Now I can go out and buy a bunch of additional houses on ARMs and depend upon them to appreciate rapidly in value, and count on offloading them at a profit before the higher rate kicks in! /sarc

7 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:22:28am

re: #3 Last Mohican

This AP story appears to refer to the Fed's "Beige Book" survey. Here is the actual report, in .pdf format.

The report is issued every two months. You can find past reports here.

How many pages? I'm composing an annual report, so I've got exactly my snack time to read in.

8 freedombilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:22:31am

Thank you Messiah!

9 mrbaracuda  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:22:49am

USA!
USA!
USA!

LoL, evening lizard people from the far west across the pond!

10 greygandalf  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:22:50am

So we are falling not as fast, great.

11 cronus  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:23:44am

This forecast is brought to you by the economists who failed to see a nearly cataclysmic financial crisis.

/You'll excuse me if I don't rush right out and buy a new Lexis

12 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #2 snapped shot

I sure hope they're right... because it looks like things have a long way to catch up before we "really" recover...

Unless "jobless" recovery is considered to be an acceptable goal this time around, that is. ;)

Regards,
Brian

Hey Brian. What's up with that link to "Lionheart" at your website?

Do you know that the guy is a flat-out bigot connected to the neo-Nazi British National Party? And that he called for me to be "executed like a Nazi collaborator?"

Why are you linking to someone like that?

13 Last Mohican  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:24:48am

re: #7 Dianna

How many pages? I'm composing an annual report, so I've got exactly my snack time to read in.

48 pages. There's a summary at the beginning, but even it is kind of long.

I don't have time to read the whole thing right now either. I hope everything really is getting better, but I'm suspicious that this might be another one of those "hooray, things are getting worse at a slower rate than before" reports.

14 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:25:31am

re: #10 greygandalf
It's about as comforting as a sky diver loosing his primary ...
Then remembers his axillary has been looked at in 10 years!

15 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:25:40am

I certainly hope the tide is turning. Seems everyone is hurting.

16 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:25:47am

AZ is still stagnant...no activity in any major business sector. Housing is a disaster, manufacturing is still down, tourism is down. Unemployment is still up. You cannot find a job in Phoenix right now. The guys I laid off earlier this year tell me that there are 100's of people showing up for every job opening. I wish it was getting better, but it's not here...not yet.

17 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:26:49am

re: #16 Desert Dog

I'll bet alcohol consumption is UP!!

18 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:27:27am

re: #12 Charles

Hey Brian. What's up with that link to "Lionheart" at your website?

Do you know that the guy is connected to the neo-Nazi British National Party? And that he called for me to be "executed like a Nazi collaborator?"

Why are you linking to someone like that?

The guy certainly has a flair for dramatic rhetoric, doesn't he? ;)

(Man, I guess my recent purge of my blogroll wasn't comprehensive enough! Where's my Federal grant for Blogroll Editing when I need it?? :) )

Regards,
Brian

19 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:28:01am

re: #10 greygandalf

So we are falling not as fast, great.

Terminal velocity achieved?

/

20 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #16 Desert Dog
DD...I wasn't making light of the situation...Just sayin Bro!!

21 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:29:06am

Will a turnaround help fend off inflation?

22 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:29:17am

re: #19 Dianna

Terminal velocity achieved?

/

*splat*

23 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:29:19am

re: #15 Sharmuta

I certainly hope the tide is turning. Seems everyone is hurting.

Even if you're doing OK, you know far too many people who aren't.

24 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:30:28am

re: #20 reloadingisnotahobby

DD...I wasn't making light of the situation...Just sayin Bro!!

None taken...but, you are probably right

25 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:30:45am

re: #22 MandyManners

That's what I'm afraid of.

"I wonder if it will be friends with me?"

26 mrbaracuda  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:30:57am

re: #12 Charles

[...]the guy is connected to the neo-Nazi British National Party? And that he called for me to be "executed like a Nazi collaborator?"

Wait, what? I mean, I was called a fascist by someone calling me and my other commentators Jews and the product of Jewish whores, because everyone knows Jewish women are all whore, well at least in his parallel universe before he went into a rant about how we should all be gassed and sterilized.. yeah.

What is happening in the world? LoL.

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:31:44am

re: #18 snapped shot

You don't have to "purge" anything. I'm just pointing out a few things.

And uh ... Robert Spencer? Are you aware that he's been launching an almost unending series of vile personal attacks against me, for exposing his connections to fascist groups? That's OK with you?

Again, don't "purge" anybody on my account. I'm just curious why you seem to think all of that stuff is no big deal.

28 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:31:46am

From the article:

The Federal Reserve's snapshot of economic conditions backs predictions by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and most other analysts that the economy has started to grow once again in the current quarter.

In the new survey, all but one of the Fed's 12 regions indicated that economic activity was "stable," showed "signs of stabilization" or had "firmed." The one exception was the St. Louis region, which continued to report that the pace of decline in economic activity appeared to be "moderating."

Stable, showing signs of stabilization or firmed means things have gotten no worse. That's better than declining. It doesn't indicate growth, but that we may have bottomed out.

Even assuming that this is the end of the recession, unemployment figures will continue lagging, just as they have with other recessions, and jobs are what people feel most when considering economic climate. That situation wont turn around for at least another year, if not more.

So, how quickly will it be before Obama takes credit for the turnaround, which would have occurred without the stimulus?

The one big factor they cite is cash for clunkers spurring sales, but that only helps this quarter - what happens next quarter when everyone realizes the sales shifted, and didn't create new demand, leaving those automakers in the lurch with bloated inventories of new cars on the lots and people waiting on the sidelines to see if another cash for clunkers develops?

29 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:32:08am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Will a turnaround help fend off inflation?

I don't know. It might lessen its impact, if my rather vague understanding - that increased investment might soak up some of the inflationary pressure - but I (personally) am wondering if my savings mean anything.

30 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Will a turnaround help fend off inflation?

The fed needs to increase interest rates and the banks need to keep sitting on the fed handouts they received to "loosen credit" money instead of loaning it out (or pay it back... as long as it's not just dumped out into the economy). If those 2 things don't happen, expect inflation that will make your eyes pop out.

31 DaChew  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:33:42am

The recession sure don't feel over.

32 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:33:48am

re: #29 Dianna
Doh!!
Don't say (savings)!!
You never know "who's" here!
Shsssh!
/

33 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:33:59am

re: #27 Charles

You don't have to "purge" anything. I'm just pointing out a few things.

And uh ... Robert Spencer? Are you aware that he's been launching an almost unending series of vile personal attacks against me, for exposing his connections to fascist groups? That's OK with you?

Again, don't "purge" anybody on my account. I'm just curious why you seem to think all of that stuff is no big deal.

Robert Spencer is still an extremely authoritative source on Islamic texts, as far as I am concerned. I'm aware of the dispute you two have been having, but would like to refrain from picking sides if at all possible, seeing how greatly I respect both of you. :)

Regards,
Brian

34 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:34:18am

re: #32 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm insufficiently paranoid! Again!

35 Locker  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:35:06am

Waiting for the numerous replies claiming the following:

1. We aren't really in recovery
2. Obama administration didn't do anything to aid the recovery, it happened in spite of yadda yadda
3. The stimulus didn't help and is/was a failure
4. Obama PROMISED!!! that unemployment wouldn't go over 10 percent and that was the ONLY reason the stimulus was passed. FAIL!

Perhaps I'll be wrong. That would be wonderful.

36 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:35:54am

re: #33 snapped shot

Robert Spencer is still an extremely authoritative source on Islamic texts, as far as I am concerned. I'm aware of the dispute you two have been having, but would like to refrain from picking sides if at all possible, seeing how greatly I respect both of you. :)

Regards,
Brian

So the connections to fascist groups, the links to sites where people call for me to be murdered (and Lionheart isn't the only one), the disgusting personal attacks ("aging adolescent libelblogger" is one of the nicer things he's called me)... all of that's OK?

37 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:36:02am

re: #34 Dianna

Here's a trick...
My dog is so dense he hasn't a CLUE he owns 35 acres of trees and rocks pee on!!!
Heheheh!
What a lame-o!

38 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:36:15am

re: #30 ArchangelMichael

Thanks. I understand some economics, but I'm still not sure about a lot of the details. I try to understand, but it's just not my strong suit.

39 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #2 snapped shot

I sure hope they're right... because it looks like things have a long way to catch up before we "really" recover...

Unless "jobless" recovery is considered to be an acceptable goal this time around, that is. ;)

Regards,
Brian

Just wait until they start spending all that stimulus money they've been sitting on. That'll be "recovery with bacon" and everything's better with bacon.

40 mrbaracuda  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:37:29am

re: #36 Charles

Speaking of libelblogger, I am disappointed I haven't seen the name of the blog change yet! There was something about libelblogger den.. or cave.. or something.. :-D

41 Locker  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Just wait until they start spending all that stimulus money they've been sitting on. That'll be "recovery with bacon" and everything's better with bacon.

CSH for food president. Bacon ftw.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #5 acwgusa

Mending, yes. Growing? Not for years.

I think the estimates are that we'll see growth in the 4th quarter this year.

43 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:05am

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Just wait until they start spending all that stimulus money they've been sitting on. That'll be "recovery with bacon" and everything's better with bacon.

Yes, but certain types of "pork" don't taste so good at all...

44 Land Shark  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:12am

I certainly hope the recession is easing. I don't buy it since so many people keep losing their jobs and the unemployment rate just keeps rising. And I think once taxes start to go up to pay for all the spending we've seen from the Tarp bill (which was under GW's watch) to the still to come Health Care and Cap N' Trade bills, any recovery we see now will prove to be a mirage and the real depression will start.

But I want to be wrong. I already know too many people who've lost their jobs. I want to see the economy improve and people get back to work.

45 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:14am

re: #36 Charles

So the connections to fascist groups, the links to sites where people call for me to be murdered (and Lionheart isn't the only one), the disgusting personal attacks ("aging adolescent libelblogger" is one of the nicer things he's called me)... all of that's OK?

I don't advocate that you be murdered, if that helps things any. And I certainly don't support anyone's comments towards the same.

That being said, I'm taking a Chamberlainian approach to these blogwar kinds of things (other than Paul, who has certainly crossed well over the line on more occasions than I can count). No offense towards you nor any of the other parties is intended!

Regards,
Brian

46 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:25am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I think the estimates are that we'll see growth in the 4th quarter this year.

From your keyboard to the economy.

47 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:29am

(From that article) ... Dallas has "firmed".

I'm not sure how to take that.

Could it mean that diarrhea is over, even though things are still sh*t?

48 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #42 Killgore Trout
We're in the fourth Quarter of THIS YEAR!???
Oh never mind! Ha Ha!

49 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:40:25am

re: #41 Locker

CSH for food president. Bacon ftw.

This might be a symptom of watching too much Man v. Food.

50 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:40:43am

re: #45 snapped shot

I'm taking a Chamberlainian approach

Historically- not the best approach. Just sayin'.

51 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:40:44am

re: #48 reloadingisnotahobby

Record Christmas sales don't count!!

52 Locker  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #49 CyanSnowHawk

This might be a symptom of watching too much Man v. Food.

I don't like that show but I try not to miss "The Best Thing I Ever Ate" and Anthony Bordain's No Reservations is by far my favorite food show. Porkalicious!

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:41:24am

re: #45 snapped shot

I don't advocate that you be murdered, if that helps things any. And I certainly don't support anyone's comments towards the same.

That being said, I'm taking a Chamberlainian approach to these blogwar kinds of things (other than Paul, who has certainly crossed well over the line on more occasions than I can count). No offense towards you nor any of the other parties is intended!

Regards,
Brian

So you think you should be able to promote your site at LGF, even though you're linking to people who absolutely hate my guts and frequently attack me publicly?

And you really think this is just a "blogwar" that you can stay out of?

54 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:41:49am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Historically- not the best approach. Just sayin'.

Heh, duly noted.

Hopefully wars of the blog kind aren't of the same scale as wars of the world variety.

:)

Regards,
Brian

55 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:41:51am

the economy was going to recover eventually. the government probably needed to get involved to a certain extent to jump start things in some areas, but my concern is that the dems and their cheerleaders in the MSM will spin the (eventual) recovery as being the result of the brilliant Obama economic stimulus plan as opposed to mostly being the result of the economy bottoming out and starting the long climb back to health.

just my two cents, which adjusted for inflation means just my "dime."

56 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:41:59am

re: #26 mrbaracuda


Wait, what? I mean, I was called a fascist by someone calling me and my other commentators Jews and the product of Jewish whores, because everyone knows Jewish women are all whore, well at least in his parallel universe before he went into a rant about how we should all be gassed and sterilized.. yeah.
.

I think I know this guy too.

57 avanti  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:42:05am

re: #48 reloadingisnotahobby

We're in the fourth Quarter of THIS YEAR!???
Oh never mind! Ha Ha!

Skipped fractions in school did you ?

58 cliffster  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:42:11am

Isn't the Fed declaring that the economy is recovering a bit of fox declaring the henhouse safe?

59 mrbaracuda  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:42:31am

re: #56 Joshua Cohen

Well, you are German then I guess! :-)

60 Locker  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:02am

re: #53 Charles

So you think you should be able to promote your site at LGF, even though you're linking to people who absolutely hate my guts and frequently attack me publicly?

And you really think this is just a "blogwar" that you can stay out of?

Well folks are going to read what they read but I understand the linking thing. Perhaps if you just gave him a standard to which he should adhere it would all be fine. Perhaps that's what you are doing...

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:25am

I'm no economics geek, but I think I wanna see what's happening to corporate capital spending.

62 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:30am

re: #58 cliffster

Isn't the Fed declaring that the economy is recovering a bit of fox declaring the henhouse safe?


Not really.

63 mrbaracuda  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #53 Charles

This is how snapped shot must feel now.

64 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:35am

re: #54 snapped shot

Heh, duly noted.

Hopefully wars of the blog kind aren't of the same scale as wars of the world variety.

:)

Regards,
Brian

This isn't something trivial, Brian, and I'm really not appreciating the attempt to paint it that way. Spencer is hooked up with some really bad people. That's not a joke to me.

65 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #54 snapped shot

Heh, duly noted.

Hopefully wars of the blog kind aren't of the same scale as wars of the world variety.

:)

Regards,
Brian

But I wonder if having any sort of moral compass (which you seem to be lacking) is an the same scale as... well... a person who links to bigots and nationalists?

66 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:47am

re: #57 avanti

Skipped fractions in school did you ?

The Federal Fiscal Year First Quarter starts Oct. 1.

So we ARE in the fourth quarter of THIS Fiscal Year, right now, unless I misread the calendar.

I am sure they mean 4Q NEXT fiscal year ...

67 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #57 avanti

Skipped fractions in school did you ?

"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra

He understood math the way it should be.

68 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #38 Sharmuta

Thanks. I understand some economics, but I'm still not sure about a lot of the details. I try to understand, but it's just not my strong suit.

As long as all this phony money "printed" to bail out the banks does not get turned into actual real money by being loaned out to consumers en masse, we will dodge the super high inflation bullet. Right now it's just numbers in a computer somewhere making bankers feel better about themselves.

If a trillion or two get paid back to the federal government to cover all the TARP and TARP-like bills that were passed, we will be ok. I don't necessarily trust Bernake and Geithner to do the right thing vs the popular thing though. Also there has not been adequate reform to make sure this does not happen again. Just feel-good, do-nothing crap.

69 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:44:05am

re: #54 snapped shot

That's just it, Brian. History repeats itself. There is an alarming rise of fascism going on in europe these days, and robert spencer and friends see no reason to disassociate from it. They are, in fact, enabling it. I hope you give this some thought.

70 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #58 cliffster

Isn't the Fed declaring that the economy is recovering a bit of fox declaring the henhouse safe?

I'm still going to cross my fingers. There's a lot of hardship out there, and it would be nice to see it abate.

71 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:44:14am

When you fall off a cliff, and hit bottom, things have firmed.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:44:41am

re: #57 avanti

Skipped fractions in school did you ?

Maybe it's just something he eighth.

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #66 OldLineTexan

We won't see the numbers until the quarter is over.

74 pat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:45:01am

Jobs are a lagging indicator, and productivity in some businesses is at a level where historically we would see hiring. But this is not occurring. Partly out of fear and partly to recoup losses. But we have also seen entire manufacturies, retail chains, and thousands of smaller businesses disappear. I fear the bizarre spending antics of Obama and Congress, the runaway taxation by the individual States, along with a jobless recovery may cause a second recession.

75 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:45:05am

re: #22 MandyManners

*splat*

That's not terminal velocity.

That's terminal deceleration.

;)

76 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #53 Charles

So you think you should be able to promote your site at LGF, even though you're linking to people who absolutely hate my guts and frequently attack me publicly?

And you really think this is just a "blogwar" that you can stay out of?

Charles, I'm commenting on a thread, not promoting my site. Am I not supposed to be interacting over here as a reader? :)

Regards,
Brian

(I'll remove the link from my username if that's offensive, though you'll probably notice from ye olde logs that I haven't submitted anything to LinkViewer in months... There's more to life than self-promotion, after all! :) )

77 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:45:30am

re: #71 itellu3times

And the concerns among economists are that we might see a U recession or even worse, a double dip recession, which is surprisingly similar to the dead cat bounce recession.

78 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:45:30am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

We won't see the numbers until the quarter is over.

Yes, that's usually the way it works.

If you want the actual numbers.

79 researchok  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:46:44am

I'm less sanguine when it comes to the numbers (remember, every bear market has a bull rally).

When unemployment drops to 6% level (we're talking about creating a couple of million new, real jobs), I'll breathe easier.

80 cliffster  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:46:48am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Yes, that's usually the way it works.

If you want the actual numbers.

In that case you'll have to wait 6 more months. We will know in 6 months how things are right now.

81 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:46:51am

Sorry for OT ;-) since I'm travelling the ME (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel) for some months I'm a bit late for commenting this threat

@Charles

What about this:


Forecasts of climate change are about to go seriously out of kilter. One of the world's top climate modellers said Thursday we could be about to enter "one or even two decades during which temperatures cool. "People will say this is global warming disappearing," Latif told more than 1500 of the world's top climate scientists gathering in Geneva at the UN's World Climate Conference. Few climate scientists go as far as Latif, an author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But more and more agree that the short-term prognosis for climate change is much less certain than once thought.

New Scientist

Response of a reader:

"Does this mean we can now study the climate without relying on mass hysteria and scare tactics?"

82 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:46:52am

re: #76 snapped shot

Charles, I'm commenting on a thread, not promoting my site. Am I not supposed to be interacting over here as a reader? :)

Regards,
Brian

(I'll remove the link from my username if that's offensive, though you'll probably notice from ye olde logs that I haven't submitted anything to LinkViewer in months... There's more to life than self-promotion, after all! :) )

You input is needed... an email from me to Robert Spencer and his answer...

By the way, did anyone ever see this?

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

83 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:46:57am

re: #66 OldLineTexan

The Federal Fiscal Year First Quarter starts Oct. 1.

So we ARE in the fourth quarter of THIS Fiscal Year, right now, unless I misread the calendar.

I am sure they mean 4Q NEXT fiscal year ...

So, another year and then everything will be fine? Whew! Only 300 more days until the economy gets better! I can hardly wait!re: #78 OldLineTexan

Yes, that's usually the way it works.

If you want the actual numbers.

I want to see the rosy ones that make me feel better...can't we see those instead?

84 greygandalf  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:47:29am

re: #58 cliffster

Isn't the Fed declaring that the economy is recovering a bit of fox declaring the henhouse safe?

Since the fed didn't see the crash in the first place, I'd say more like the cow in the barn declaring the hen house safe.

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:47:51am

re: #76 snapped shot

Charles, I'm commenting on a thread, not promoting my site. Am I not supposed to be interacting over here as a reader? :)

Regards,
Brian

(I'll remove the link from my username if that's offensive, though you'll probably notice from ye olde logs that I haven't submitted anything to LinkViewer in months... There's more to life than self-promotion, after all! :) )

Again -- I'm not asking you to do anything you don't want to do. I just want to clarify what's going on here.

I take this very seriously, and I'm not going to just sit back and say nothing when people paint it as a trivial issue.

86 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:47:56am

re: #80 cliffster

In that case you'll have to wait 6 more months. We will know in 6 months how things are right now.

Yes, it takes a rear view mirror to really have a handle on this stuff.

Oddly enough, I am very familiar with the processes, go through them every year.

87 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #83 Desert Dog

Wild-assed guesses are still free.

/

88 avanti  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #79 researchok

I'm less sanguine when it comes to the numbers (remember, every bear market has a bull rally).

When unemployment drops to 6% level (we're talking about creating a couple of million new, real jobs), I'll breathe easier.

That could be a decade or more. Once a business finds out it can run lean, it's slow to build a bigger payroll.

89 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:48:44am

OT: I imagine this was already covered in some previous thread, but just in case:

In Jay Nordlinger's most recent "Impromptus" at National Review Online, he gives fairly extensive praise to the work of our very own... zombie.


There is a website called “zombietime,” and its materials make for pretty rough, discomforting viewing. Here, the site has gathered many pictures taken at anti-Bush and anti-war rallies — and Obama rallies. They show signs and such screaming for the murder of Bush. They show pictures of Bush with a bullet through his head. They show depictions of Bush being guillotined. They show Bush being burned in effigy. Etc., etc.

This is awful, vile, jacobinical stuff — stuff you are not supposed to see in this easygoing, constitutional, non-extremist country.

And the collection reminds us, not just of the hatred directed at Bush for all those years, but of the murderous hatred directed at him.

[...]

“zombietime” is an amazing site. According to Wikipedia (here), it is “maintained by ‘zombie,’ a pseudonymous photographer,” and “documents apparent [!] far-left, antisemitic, or anti-American views and public indecency at political demonstrations, street festivals and other public events.”

And the photographer himself, or herself?

“zombie” . . . spells that name with a lower-case “z,” and has never revealed their real name, gender, age or profession. In a winter 2006 interview with the Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics, zombie states that they did not initially intend to set up a website at all; rather, having been “left-wing” their entire life, and having attended many protests and rallies, zombie decided to go to the anti-war rally in San Francisco on February 16, 2003, bringing a digital camera purchased the day before. The signs carried at the rally “shocked and mortified” zombie.

He or she said, “There were overtly anti-Semitic signs, banners blaming 9/11 on conspirators in the U.S. government, guys dressed up as suicide bombers, and all sorts of craziness. I took out my new camera and started clicking away. By the time the march was over, I was a changed person. If that was what the ‘Left’ had become, then I wanted no part of it.”

90 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:48:47am

re: #81 zuckerlilly

Incoming!

I'm not done with breakfast, but I'm going to hide. However upsetting last year's numbers, they cannot begin to compete with what's about to happen.

91 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:49:04am

re: #77 lawhawk

And the concerns among economists are that we might see a U recession or even worse, a double dip recession, which is surprisingly similar to the dead cat bounce recession.

For example, the Dow is waaay about its 200 day moving average line. Now, normally, this would indicate the Dow is going to fall back to the line. However, after large or unique excursions, normal laws don't necessarily apply.

IOW, nobody knows.

And we still have the looming impact of several TRILLION dollars in borrowed and newly printed money, which is not supposed to be harmless, in much the same way as the sea is not above the sky.

/last simile stolen from Douglas Adams, "Vogons are not above a little graft in much the same way etc"

92 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:49:33am

re: #59 mrbaracuda

Well, you are German then I guess! :-)

Born there, in "Dunkel-Deutschland" as its called sometimes now (The Eastern part, behind the Iron Curtain), but now I visit the Fatherland just on vaccation and for family affairs.

Jewish life in Germany - it's a contradiction.

93 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:49:37am

Let me guess. The 12th economic region is Michigan. Am I right?

94 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:50:03am

re: #85 Charles

Didn't Spencer help revamp the deuce's site?

95 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:50:12am

re: #93 Alouette

St Louis.

96 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:50:40am

re: #58 cliffster

Isn't the Fed declaring that the economy is recovering a bit of fox declaring the henhouse safe?

No; their reports are based on actual data, and are completely transparent. The Fed's job is to maintain stable monetary policy; they have no vested interest in the economy's performance, and they are entirely independent of other branches of government.

Note that the Fed's assessment is hardly a glowing one. It's simply noting that the economy appears to have stopped getting worse. Mostly.

97 pat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:50:49am

re: #90 Dianna

lol

98 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #95 Sharmuta

St Louis.

What economic region is Detroit in?

99 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:01am

Just in time for the stimulus $ to kick in in a few months.

100 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:08am

re: #64 Charles

This isn't something trivial, Brian, and I'm really not appreciating the attempt to paint it that way. Spencer is hooked up with some really bad people. That's not a joke to me.

As I've said to you previously, I respect the hell out of *both* of you, and will not be picking sides in your disagreement.

Regards,
Brian

101 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:35am

re: #98 Alouette

What economic region is Detroit in?

12th level of Hell region...it's not getting better there right now...

102 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #81 zuckerlilly

If I may ask,

how are you entering Syria and Lebanon into Israel or visa-versa when they don't have any relations ?

103 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:53am

re: #89 Occasional Reader

OT: I imagine this was already covered in some previous thread, but just in case:

In Jay Nordlinger's most recent "Impromptus" at National Review Online, he gives fairly extensive praise to the work of our very own... zombie.

I just sent this to zombie!

104 blangwort  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:51:58am

A recovery is almost inevitable. The only question is how far up we're going to have to climb to get back to where we were before.

That said, if you have a million economists (monkeys) all predicting the future, eventually one of them has to get it right. That one economist will earn a really nice job somewhere for "predicting" the economic recovery.

As you can tell, I don't have a lot of reverence for economists.

105 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #98 Alouette

What economic region is Detroit in?

It's referred to in the trade as 'The Shitter' ... I know this technical jargon can be mind-numbing, but it's imperative to keep up-to-date in order to follow the discussions.

///

106 cliffster  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:52:28am

re: #96 SixDegrees

No; their reports are based on actual data, and are completely transparent. The Fed's job is to maintain stable monetary policy; they have no vested interest in the economy's performance, and they are entirely independent of other branches of government.

Note that the Fed's assessment is hardly a glowing one. It's simply noting that the economy appears to have stopped getting worse. Mostly.

In theory, yes. But it's run by people, and people care about perceptions, and they want people to like them. So, to a certain degree, that transparency is not there.

Let Ron Paul get his way auditing the Fed, and the transparency will go away real fast.

107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:52:36am

re: #89 Occasional Reader

OT: I imagine this was already covered in some previous thread, but just in case:

In Jay Nordlinger's most recent "Impromptus" at National Review Online, he gives fairly extensive praise to the work of our very own... zombie.

Excellent, thank you!

/inclined to run over and give zom a {*} hug, but I'm afraid of the possible ... heh ... consequences of getting that close

108 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:52:47am

re: #105 OldLineTexan

It's referred to in the trade as 'The Shitter' ... I know this technical jargon can be mind-numbing, but it's imperative to keep up-to-date in order to follow the discussions.

///

I thought it was the "Arm Pit?" No, wait, that's Houston. Sorry :)

109 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:52:48am

re: #102 Earth56

If I may ask,

how are you entering Syria and Lebanon into Israel or visa-versa when they don't have any relations ?

He learned a few tricks in China near the Norko border?

/

110 greygandalf  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:53:41am

re: #96 SixDegrees

No; their reports are based on actual data, and are completely transparent. The Fed's job is to maintain stable monetary policy; they have no vested interest in the economy's performance, and they are entirely independent of other branches of government.

Note that the Fed's assessment is hardly a glowing one. It's simply noting that the economy appears to have stopped getting worse. Mostly.

If they have no vested interest in the economy's performance, how come they can raise or low the discount rate?

111 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:53:56am

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was the "Arm Pit?" No, wait, that's Houston. Sorry :)

No apology necessary.

/ka-ching

Y'all keep buying oil, chemicals, plastics, and what-not.

;)

112 researchok  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:54:00am

re: #88 avanti

That could be a decade or more. Once a business finds out it can run lean, it's slow to build a bigger payroll.

All too true.

To further complicate matters, factor in the lesson learned that governmrnt will bail you out if you (and it is politically expedient at the time).

113 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:54:27am

re: #100 snapped shot

Brian- I do hope you know that a lot of what the so-called counter-jihadi bloggers are telling us is based on distortions. For example- the demographics issue. It's completely overblown. These people have lost all credibility in my mind. You, of course, might see it differently, but I again hope you take the time to consider what this means, and who is on the side of fascists, and who is on the side of decency. Thanks.

114 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #100 snapped shot

As I've said to you previously, I respect the hell out of *both* of you, and will not be picking sides in your disagreement.

Regards,
Brian

Connections to fascist groups don't bother you? Links to bigoted hate sites like Brussels Journal don't bother you? Links to sites where they call for violence against me -- none of that bothers you?

It's just a "disagreement?"

115 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #109 OldLineTexan

He learned a few tricks in China near the Norko border?

/

Unless you have some diplomatic status or deciding to build some tunnels I can't see how

116 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:55:10am

re: #102 Earth56

If I may ask,

how are you entering Syria and Lebanon into Israel or visa-versa when they don't have any relations ?

Mostly via Egypt.

117 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:55:28am

re: #111 OldLineTexan

No apology necessary.

/ka-ching

Y'all keep buying oil, chemicals, plastics, and what-not.

;)

I lived there, remember, for six years. One of the most popular sayings I heard was "If there wasn't a New Orleans, Houston would be it."

118 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:56:07am
“zombie” . . . spells that name with a lower-case “z,” and has never revealed their real name, gender, age or profession.

I know for a FACT that "zombie" is a hermaphroditic, 23 year-old public telephone sanitizer. Oh, and his/her real name is "René", sometimes spelled "Renée".

/

119 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:56:13am

re: #105 OldLineTexan

It's referred to in the trade as 'The Shitter' ... I know this technical jargon can be mind-numbing, but it's imperative to keep up-to-date in order to follow the discussions.

///

There are third world countries that are in better economic condition than Detroit.

120 Floppydusk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:56:40am

Recent headlines speak of the UN promoting a global currency, the President asking for higher debt ceiling, the Chinese who buy US debt are very nervous - and now the Economy is Mending. I like good econ news as much as the next but the economic dissonance in these reports is clear. The flood of stimulus cash has simply forstalled the ultimate sell off - the bottom has not yet been reached.

121 Bob Dillon  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:56:41am

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Isn't there a children's story about an undesirable animal in someones home - they get a larger predator to get rid of it. Then another and another - it escalates out of control?

Guess he missed that one growing up.

And kink of like "when you're up to your ass in alligators - it's tough to recall that your original intention was to drain the swamp."

Red flags some choose to ignore.

122 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:57:08am

re: #116 Joshua Cohen

Mostly via Egypt.


I guess it has to start with the other countrys and Israel last . What does he do that has him go to Israel AND the other countrys ?

123 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:57:27am

re: #102 Earth56


I started in Lebanon (visa at the border without problems) over to Syria (visa of the Syrian embassy in Vienna) to Jordan (visa at the borders without probems). currently I'm in Israel, some questions at the border about my visas and stamps but nothing serious (despite the fakt, that the lost some of my laguage and I had to wait for hours at a Friday. Ramadan and Shabbat bevor the door ;-)) it was no fun).

124 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #98 Alouette

What economic region is Detroit in?

Pretty sure we fall into Chicago's Federal Reserve region.

Things are definitely not improving around here. The pace of decline may have slowed, or maybe even stopped - you hit bottom eventually, although Detroit has certainly been known to do that an start digging in the past.

125 DaChew  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #119 Alouette

There are third world countries that are in better economic condition than Detroit.

Yeah but how many of 'em got a great big fist pointed at Canada?

126 gregb  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:00am

Venture Capital investments are typically a good 6 month leading indicator--at least in California, I'd say there's still a little winter left in that groundhog.

127 avanti  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:09am

re: #100 snapped shot

As I've said to you previously, I respect the hell out of *both* of you, and will not be picking sides in your disagreement.

Regards,
Brian

No dog in this fight, but I don't get the "respect" for the other guy. I could accept he may have some good data in a area or two, but is that information worth the association ?

128 swamprat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:19am

The irrational fear of the new president with new ideas; part of the economy downturn, is coming to a close.
We still have the; caboodles of unfunded cash spent like drunken sailors with stolen creditcards, inflationary spiral , to overcome.


This is the part of the rollercoaster that goes

click, click, click.

Soros is waiting at the bottom to
rifle through our belongings as we lay helpless...
catch us at the end.

129 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:24am

re: #122 Earth56

I guess it has to start with the other countrys and Israel last . What does he do that has him go to Israel AND the other countrys ?

I'm keeping my pedant stuffed in the filing cabinet.

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #118 Occasional Reader

I know for a FACT that "zombie" is a hermaphroditic, 23 year-old public telephone sanitizer. Oh, and his/her real name is "René", sometimes spelled "Renée".

/

I'll be waiting for you to Renée-ge on that !

131 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:58:53am

I guess foreclosures are a "lagging indicator"... Just like unemployment... lol

132 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:59:32am

re: #131 efuseakay

What's your avatar?

133 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:00:24pm

Out of enlightened self-interest, most Canadians pray for America's quick and speedy economic recovery.
We do worry about the sustainability of your vast national debt and long-standing pattern of structural budgetary deficits.

134 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:00:27pm

re: #114 Charles

Connections to fascist groups don't bother you? Links to bigoted hate sites like Brussels Journal don't bother you? Links to sites where they call for violence against me -- none of that bothers you?

It's just a "disagreement?"

Again: My continued linking of Paul after his implied threats against you was an oversight, not something I endorsed or accepted. Obviously that kind of rhetoric "bothers" me.

As regards to the esteemed Mr. Spencer, I have yet to see any convincing evidence that he's a Nazi-in-hiding. And I don't personally link the Brussels Journal, so I don't understand where that relates to me.

(Unless we Lizardoids are now required do a depth-first hierarchical scan of our blogrolls before commenting here, that is. ;) )

Regards,
Brian

135 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:00:31pm

re: #118 Occasional Reader

I thought it was pat. /

136 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:00:41pm

Well with the Chinese looking down their noses at U.S. ...
Maybe we should consider "Rice Futures"!
/

137 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #119 Alouette

Congrats on the wedding, missed that last night

138 Wendya  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:01:02pm

re: #35 Locker

Waiting for the numerous replies claiming the following:

1. We aren't really in recovery
2. Obama administration didn't do anything to aid the recovery, it happened in spite of yadda yadda
3. The stimulus didn't help and is/was a failure
4. Obama PROMISED!!! that unemployment wouldn't go over 10 percent and that was the ONLY reason the stimulus was passed. FAIL!

Perhaps I'll be wrong. That would be wonderful.

I don't know if we are in a recovery or not. Let's see the GDP data for the next two quarters before we throw on our party hats.

As for the stimulus, I really haven't seen any indication that it's had an impact on the economy either way. What percentage has been released to date? It certainly isn't driving the private sector.

The CBO estimates the unemployment rate will continue to increase each month to 10.2% next year. I imagine that's a fairly conservative estimate. With a "real" unemployment rate of closer to 16%, there isn't going to be much positive public sentiment when the government declares the recession is over.

139 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:01:12pm

I'm sensing a deep disturbance in the force...

140 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:01:18pm

Seems we have some 'buy the rumor sell the news' trading going on today...

141 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:01:41pm

re: #123 zuckerlilly


Thanks for the answer. Why did you travel through Lebanon,Syria,Jordan to Israel. You can't be Israeli,thats for sure.

142 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #134 snapped shot

As regards to the esteemed Mr. Spencer, I have yet to see any convincing evidence that he's a Nazi-in-hiding.

Maybe you should do some more reading?

143 Land Shark  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:02:07pm

re: #33 snapped shot

Robert Spencer is still an extremely authoritative source on Islamic texts, as far as I am concerned. I'm aware of the dispute you two have been having, but would like to refrain from picking sides if at all possible, seeing how greatly I respect both of you. :)

Regards,
Brian

I agree Spencer is still an authority on Islamic texts. I've been able to look up and confirm quite a bit of it.

My problem with him is that he's on record saying that essentially he supports organizations that might be fascist or racist because they are also anti-jihadi. A variation of the "the enemies of my enemies are my friends." Fascists and white supremacists are of the same ilk as the Islamists. Intolerant assholes. And fascists and white supremacists have that Jooo hating thing in common with the Islamists.

Trust me, I had a lot of admiration for Spencer. But I don't anymore.

144 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:02:22pm

re: #125 DaChew

Yeah but how many of 'em got a great big fist pointed at Canada?

Last time I looked, it was aligned parallel to the shoreline, pointed more or less at Cobo Hall.

I've proposed creating a new city symbol. In light of the city's financial condition, it's best to recycle what we already have. So start with the Spirit of Detroit sculpture. Tip him over on his face, ass in the air. Now, take The Fist...

145 pat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:02:39pm

The most important lesson we have learned from this recession is that it was government caused. First the government encouraged poor banking practices and then it allowed trading in phantom assets with no regulation. Lastly it rewarded those traders and their "insurers" with bailouts.

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #138 Wendya


As for the stimulus, I really haven't seen any indication that it's had an impact on the economy either way. What percentage has been released to date?


I was looking for an article from last week and can't find it. Certain things from the stimulus package are working. We'll know in a couple years what worked and what didn't.

147 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:03:32pm

re: #127 avanti

No dog in this fight, but I don't get the "respect" for the other guy. I could accept he may have some good data in a area or two, but is that information worth the association ?

I "respect" people who spend time actually studying the things we B.S. about in the blogosphere. And Robert has definitely done the *academic* research to earn such respect.

(Are there any other Lizardoids that have done nearly as much research on the theology of Islam that he has?)

Regards,
Brian

148 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:03:47pm

re: #118 Occasional Reader

I know for a FACT that "zombie" is a hermaphroditic, 23 year-old public telephone sanitizer. Oh, and his/her real name is "René", sometimes spelled "Renée".

/

And somehow, this post earned a downding from "snapped shot". Wow.

149 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I lived there, remember, for six years. One of the most popular sayings I heard was "If there wasn't a New Orleans, Houston would be it."

Six years one August.

;)

150 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:05:12pm

re: #147 snapped shot

And enabling fascists has caused him to lose respect. For some of us, anyways.

151 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #147 snapped shot

I "respect" people who spend time actually studying the things we B.S. about in the blogosphere. And Robert has definitely done the *academic* research to earn such respect.

(Are there any other Lizardoids that have done nearly as much research on the theology of Islam that he has?)

Regards,
Brian

Evidently he doesn't do enough research on groups that he supports, and he has no desire to...

By the way, did anyone ever see this?

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

That's your hero?

152 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:05:40pm

"...Economy IS Improving..." - Trust But Verify, That is all.

-S-

153 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:06:03pm

re: #123 zuckerlilly

I started in Lebanon (visa at the border without problems) over to Syria (visa of the Syrian embassy in Vienna) to Jordan (visa at the borders without probems). currently I'm in Israel, some questions at the border about my visas and stamps but nothing serious (despite the fakt, that the lost some of my laguage and I had to wait for hours at a Friday. Ramadan and Shabbat bevor the door ;-)) it was no fun).

Mkay - Jordan - the other way - and Israel as the last station.
As long as you do not hold a Israeli Passport (or then even if you are of Arab descent) - it is not impossible.
Even with Israeli Visa it is possible to enter Lebanon or even Syria. Just a question of money and or relations.
I prefer a second "clean" Passport (of another country than Israel) for these situations.

154 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:07:46pm

(If I might interject an on-topic comment: Judging by numbers like these, we are not nearly as close to an economic "recovery" as the Federal Reserve wishes we were.)

;)

Regards,
B.

155 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:07:58pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

"

Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email

Wow.

Well, that about sums it up. "If they're 'fighting jihad', good! If they're also Nazis... [yawn]."

Thanks for clearing that up, Bobby.

156 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:08:20pm

re: #134 snapped shot

Again: My continued linking of Paul after his implied threats against you was an oversight, not something I endorsed or accepted.

There was no "implied" threat, Brian. He said outright that I should be executed. That's not an "implication," it's hate speech.

And if you are still unconvinced that Robert Spencer is connected to some very bad people, it's because you're ignoring the evidence.

It's attitudes like yours that allow these people to prosper and advance their agendas.

157 totalkaosdave  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:08:27pm

Recession, by definition, is 2 quarters of positive growth. It is rather premature to claim the recession is over. However, when you only quote "analysts", no one really has to take the blame when it doesn't happen.

158 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:08:27pm

re: #148 Occasional Reader

And somehow, this post earned a downding from "snapped shot". Wow.

What? Did I miss the sarcasm tag? :)

D'oh. (insert facepalm here)

B.

159 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:08:37pm

re: #148 Occasional Reader

And somehow, this post earned a downding from "snapped shot". Wow.

Telephone sanitizers union rep?

160 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:08:47pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I was looking for an article from last week and can't find it. Certain things from the stimulus package are working. We'll know in a couple years what worked and what didn't.

If the recession is over, can we cancel the rest of the stimulus spending? Please, pretty please?

161 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #153 Joshua Cohen

Thanks for the answer.

Now that I know that my American passport is clean and shows no entrys into Israel I can visit Cousin Saud in Medina for a barrel of tea.

162 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:10:01pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Will a turnaround help fend off inflation?

I'm concerned that printing money will be needed (foolishly) to pay for all the stuff they are spending our taxes on.

163 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #125 DaChew

Yeah but how many of 'em got a great big fist pointed at Canada?

How many Lizards know that is literally true.

Nothing against Canada in particular. They really wanted to point it in the other direction, towards 8 Mile.

164 subsailor68  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:10:18pm

OT, but is it really?

This California assemblyman is a Republican. WTH is going on with these people anyway? It's revolting.

Oops, the mike was hot!

165 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:10:40pm

Brian- I think you should really read this:

Bruce Bawer on the 'Anti-Jihad' Meltdown

166 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #141 Earth56

No, I'm no Israeli, I'm Austrian (non-Jewish). But in Damascus i met two British-Jewish young ladies in a hostel, which owner is a Palestinian with Australian citizenship. The most funniest and most amiable guy you can imagine.

I discovered a lot of interesting stuff about Palestinians in this countries for my work (one of the reasons I traveled this countries).

167 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #160 Pianobuff

If the recession is over, can we cancel the rest of the stimulus spending? Please, pretty please?

But then how would we "create" all those "green jobs"?

You're probably one of those evil white people who wants to kill the ghetto with pollution, aren't you?!

/

168 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:11:25pm

Fox reporting that an airplane has been hijacked in Cancun, and is being or has been flown to Mexico City

169 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:11:45pm
170 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:11:46pm

re: #162 debutaunt

I'm concerned that printing money will be needed (foolishly) to pay for all the stuff they are spending our taxes on.

And given how the dollar's getting hammered lately, that's a well-founded concern.

171 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:12:39pm

Sorry to pour ice cold water on the notion that "The Economy" is getting better.

Retail Sales are extremely depressed and Retailers are having a spate of losses. Throughout the Chicago area, landlords are reporting and discussing in increasing number of "jingle letters" from their tenants. What's a "jingle letter", you may ask? That's a letter with the keys to the (abandoned) storefront. Demands for reduced rents are now the norm. How long will it take before MSM notices the closing of marquee shopping destinations and the loss in both property and sales tax revenues?

For local economies, I fear that the worst is to come and not in the past.

172 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #168 Thanos

Fox reporting that an airplane has been hijacked in Cancun, and is being or has been flown to Mexico City

It's landed.

173 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #160 Pianobuff

If the recession is over, can we cancel the rest of the stimulus spending? Please, pretty please?


Probably not. Much of it is necessary. As far as I can tell pretty much every country on planet earth had some sort of economic stimulus plan. There's no reason we shouldn't have one. We are not immune from the reality of economics.

174 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:13:15pm

re: #168 Thanos

Fox reporting that an airplane has been hijacked in Cancun, and is being or has been flown to Mexico City

Yikes.

176 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:14:12pm

re: #147 snapped shot

I hope you're reading the links Sharmuta is posting.

177 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #174 Occasional Reader

Yikes.

You can't get good ground service in MC.

178 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #154 snapped shot

(If I might interject an on-topic comment: Judging by numbers like these, we are not nearly as close to an economic "recovery" as the Federal Reserve wishes we were.)

;)

Regards,
B.

You are aware that employment is generally a trailing indicator of a recovery?

179 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #166 zuckerlilly

No, I'm no Israeli, I'm Austrian (non-Jewish). But in Damascus i met two British-Jewish young ladies in a hostel, which owner is a Palestinian with Australian citizenship. The most funniest and most amiable guy you can imagine.

I discovered a lot of interesting stuff about Palestinians in this countries for my work (one of the reasons I traveled this countries).

Crazy world it is but beautiful in many ways. I said 30 years ago if there was any peace in the ME it would blossom into a paradise. Just wishing I guess and its a shame with Lebanon and Beirut which was once the "Paris" of the ME. How is it now ?

180 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:15:06pm

re: #172 MandyManners

It's landed.

I do hope it's just some disgruntled frat boys who got shortchanged at "Señor Frog's", and not something more lethal.

181 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:15:10pm

re: #167 Occasional Reader

But then how would we "create" all those "green jobs"?

You're probably one of those evil white people who wants to kill the ghetto with pollution, aren't you?!

/

I'd be prepared to say that the green jobs and all others claimed to have been created have, indeed, been created. I'd even proclaim that Obama saved the day and that I'm crapping polka dots and moonbeams if it meant they would cancel the rest of the spending.

182 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:15:46pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

Brian- I think you should really read this:

Bruce Bawer on the 'Anti-Jihad' Meltdown

Will do.

re: #169 Sharmuta

Robert Spencer Joins Genocidal Facebook Group

That's not evidence, that's poor Facebook for Mobile operation. Hardly worth burning down the house over, eh?

Regards,
Brian

183 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:16:10pm

re: #55 _RememberTonyC

the economy was going to recover eventually. the government probably needed to get involved to a certain extent to jump start things in some areas, but my concern is that the dems and their cheerleaders in the MSM will spin the (eventual) recovery as being the result of the brilliant Obama economic stimulus plan as opposed to mostly being the result of the economy bottoming out and starting the long climb back to health.

just my two cents, which adjusted for inflation means just my "dime."

I think your dime became two cents.

184 DaChew  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #144 SixDegrees

It isn't pointed at Cobo Hall. If it extended it's pinky straight out - that would be pointed at Cobo. In the picture you link, you can just see the Passo di Danza (naked chick statue) which faces Jefferson Avenue which ends right at the front door of Cobo. That building is at the intersection of Woodward and Jefferson. Woodward runs North and South and ends right at Jefferson. The Fist points right at the river front.

185 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #182 snapped shot

That's not evidence, that's poor Facebook for Mobile operation. Hardly worth burning down the house over, eh?

Maybe- except for claiming Charles set him up to join it.

186 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #164 subsailor68

Maybe it's not Republican so much as Californian.

187 Wendya  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #44 Land Shark

I certainly hope the recession is easing. I don't buy it since so many people keep losing their jobs and the unemployment rate just keeps rising. And I think once taxes start to go up to pay for all the spending we've seen from the Tarp bill (which was under GW's watch) to the still to come Health Care and Cap N' Trade bills, any recovery we see now will prove to be a mirage and the real depression will start.

But I want to be wrong. I already know too many people who've lost their jobs. I want to see the economy improve and people get back to work.

Tax revenues have dropped 18% this year and spending has skyrocketed. Individual income tax revenue is down 22 percent and corporate income tax revenue, 57 percent Payroll taxes are also expected to decline. The government is running out of people to tax.

188 swamprat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #131 efuseakay

I guess foreclosures are a "lagging indicator"... Just like unemployment... lol

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Yes you are correct about foreclosures.
Many people paid inflated prices to buy before the prices went even further skyward. Others were part of the greedfest orgy. Homes from both groups will have a high foreclosure rate. But the downturn from trepidation over whether to soak in ones' own urine because (gasp!) the president is not a pro-business kind of guy, or whether to actually go ahead and get on with life... well, that bit of nonsense is over.

We still have other hurdles. We can continue being Americans, or we can wait for some hero to leap to the rescue.
Myself, I am not real big on blaming others for my problems, and I'm even less inclined to wait for heroes. I will make the best of whatever situation I find myself in, as will America.

189 cgrow  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:18:04pm

It is a little early to declare the recession over. We need to at least record a quarter of growth before that can fairly be said.

Also, there are a number of factors including rising fuel prices, inflation, and overly optimistic investors pricing in too much good news into stocks that could easily contribute to a second recession as we emerge from this one. Compounding that is the steady loss of manufacturing jobs in this country. Even the auto bailouts are doing little to prevent those manufacturers and their suppliers from transferring jobs overseas. As China and India take over this capacity, our wages will either decline or many more jobs will be lost. If cap and trade is enacted, they will decline even more so. Then, we have a consumer base, which has been the engine that drove our economy for the last 60 years, that is now aging and or debt ridden and without a real estate bubble style hail mary to prop it back up.

In short, I see no reason to begin celebrating.

190 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #161 Earth56

Thanks for the answer.

Now that I know that my American passport is clean and shows no entrys into Israel I can visit Cousin Saud in Medina for a barrel of tea.


What I would like to know - is it still the rule that a Cubanian Visa in your Passport make a USA (re)entry a bit difficult?

191 Wendya  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:18:34pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I was looking for an article from last week and can't find it. Certain things from the stimulus package are working. We'll know in a couple years what worked and what didn't.

Certain industries are benefiting. Construction, health care and government workers.

192 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:18:55pm

"The worst thing you can be is a liar...Okay fine, yes, the worst thing you can be is a Nazi, but THEN, number two is liar. Nazi 1, Liar 2"

Justin's Dad
(shitmydadsays)

193 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:19:42pm

re: #178 Lee Coller

You are aware that employment is generally a trailing indicator of a recovery?

Gee, Lee - That's not what I've heard from the experts in the press over the past 8 years. Why is unemployment (in actual, almost *historic* numbers this time around) suddenly not matter in our economic forecasting, when it was a constant source of sorrow during the Bush years?

Could it really be true that unemployment numbers only matter when there's a (R) in the White House?

B.

194 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #179 Earth56

Beirut which was once the "Paris" of the ME.

I would say "Las Vegas" fits more.

195 FQ Kafir  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:20:13pm

All to often, exhortations of growth or stabilization precede a meaningful decline.

196 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:20:36pm

re: #187 Wendye

The government is running out of people to tax.

California, New York and New Jersey are just getting started with their taxation schemes. They're setting the standards. And its coming to a state near you very soon...

197 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:21:05pm

re: #193 snapped shot

Why is unemployment (in actual, almost *historic* numbers this time around) suddenly not matter

I suck at parenthesis:

Why does unemployment (in actual, almost *historic* numbers this time around) suddenly not matter...

198 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:21:41pm

re: #194 Joshua Cohen

I would say "Las Vegas" fits more.


Beirut ? Not 50 years ago and "Las Vegas " is just a town with facades anyways.

199 jcm  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:22:11pm

re: #182 snapped shot

That's not evidence, that's poor Facebook for Mobile operation. Hardly worth burning down the house over, eh?

Regards,
Brian

Google, " Free Constantinople: The Nakba, May 29, 1453 ", since linking directly is discourage. Look at the logo and the read article.

200 theheat  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:24:14pm

re: #134 snapped shot

Brian, I might not be the fastest reader in the world - maybe about 900 wpm last time I was clocked - but I'm trying to skim posts and get up to speed with my news here - and if my eye catches one more of your passive/aggressive smilies, I think I'm gonna puke.

It isn't even my argument, and I'm gritting my teeth thinking I'm probably going to regret posting this, but I hate the shit out of when someone argues with someone else, and then tacks a $%&/# smiley on the end, like a nervous little giggle.

And, frankly, I don't 'get' coming to someone's site (here) while quietly pimping your own, even though your site links to sites that not only are contrary to your host's intentions, but people who diss the shit out of them.

Anyway, if I had a smiley hammer right now, I'd be swinging like Paul F*cking Bunyan.

:-)

201 jcm  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:24:28pm

*Gomer Pyle voice*

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise...

Venezuela’s Chavez accuses Israel of ‘genocide’
President says Gaza offensive was an ‘excuse to exterminate’ Palestinians

202 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:24:33pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

Maybe- except for claiming Charles set him up to join it.

I don't think he claimed it, so much as he questioned the timing. But still: the whole Facebook matter was largely irrelevant. (Still going through that other article, of course.)

Regards,
Brian

203 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:25:06pm

From The Hill: Why tonight does not matter

When I first heard President Barack Obama would take his healthcare agenda directly to the American people through a live television address to a joint session of Congress, I thought it was pure political genius. The office of the presidency owns the bully pulpit. His party followers were growing restless (and reckless). They need to hear from their fearless leader. More importantly, Americans like him personally, and this was his best chance to speak to them, personally.

But it only took a few minutes to realize I was mistaken. Obama’s speech tonight is an idea whose time has come and gone. He has clearly lost momentum and his personal mojo on this issue. And in the coming days, it will be increasingly evident that tonight will yield no lasting impact on the outcome of health reform in this country, for three reasons.

(3 reasons at the link)

204 Last Mohican  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:25:13pm

re: #190 Joshua Cohen

What I would like to know - is it still the rule that a Cubanian Visa in your Passport make a USA (re)entry a bit difficult?

Nah, we normalized our relations with Cubania years ago!

[Sorry, I couldn't resist. I apologize for having no actual information with which to answer your question.]

205 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #88 avanti

That could be a decade or more. Once a business finds out it can run lean, it's slow to build a bigger payroll.

If new businesses are encouraged, it will be a lot sooner, but if profits are discouraged, why invest?

206 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #200 theheat

Brian, I might not be the fastest reader in the world - maybe about 900 wpm last time I was clocked - but I'm trying to skim posts and get up to speed with my news here - and if my eye catches one more of your passive/aggressive smilies, I think I'm gonna puke.

It isn't even my argument, and I'm gritting my teeth thinking I'm probably going to regret posting this, but I hate the shit out of when someone argues with someone else, and then tacks a $%&/# smiley on the end, like a nervous little giggle.

And, frankly, I don't 'get' coming to someone's site (here) while quietly pimping your own, even though your site links to sites that not only are contrary to your host's intentions, but people who diss the shit out of them.

Anyway, if I had a smiley hammer right now, I'd be swinging like Paul F*cking Bunyan.

:-)

Sorry 'bout that. Only trying to maintain levity around here.

(Obviously you missed the part about me not trying to promote myself around here. Insert-winky-here.)

Regards,
Brian

207 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #199 jcm

Google, " Free Constantinople: The Nakba, May 29, 1453 ", since linking directly is discourage. Look at the logo and the read article.

I knew about the Arab invaders but its worth reading in detail again.

Thanks !

208 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:27:15pm

re: #164 subsailor68

OT, but is it really?

This California assemblyman is a Republican. WTH is going on with these people anyway? It's revolting.

Oops, the mike was hot!

What a dumbass...I hope the kettle of tar and bag of feather are all ready for this numbnut

209 cliffster  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:27:21pm

re: #187 Wendya

Tax revenues have dropped 18% this year and spending has skyrocketed. Individual income tax revenue is down 22 percent and corporate income tax revenue, 57 percent Payroll taxes are also expected to decline. The government is running out of people to tax.

Looks like they are running out of other people's money.

210 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:27:39pm

re: #201 jcm

*Gomer Pyle voice*

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise...

Venezuela’s Chavez accuses Israel of ‘genocide’
President says Gaza offensive was an ‘excuse to exterminate’ Palestinians

Yet another chapter in History's Least Competent "Genocide"®!

211 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:27:55pm

re: #182 snapped shot

That's not evidence, that's poor Facebook for Mobile operation. Hardly worth burning down the house over, eh?

Regards,
Brian

You really don't want to see it, do you?

But thanks for reminding me to check for news on Spencer's latest excursion into extremism. There's a new post up now that you can ignore too.

212 Wendya  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:28:10pm

re: #196 experiencedtraveller

California, New York and New Jersey are just getting started with their taxation schemes. They're setting the standards. And its coming to a state near you very soon...

As unemployment rises, tax and payroll receipts decline. Increases in taxation will not lower unemployment, it will increase it further or keep it at steady at high rates.

What's the definition of insanity?

213 subsailor68  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:29:21pm

re: #208 Desert Dog

What a dumbass...I hope the kettle of tar and bag of feather are all ready for this numbnut

Amazing isn't it? It seems to me that it isn't that politics creates this kind of bottom feeder, it's that politics seems to appeal to some people who are already bottom feeders before they even throw their hats in the ring.

(Note I did say "some"!)

;-)

214 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:29:24pm

re: #201 jcm

*Gomer Pyle voice*

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise...

Venezuela’s Chavez accuses Israel of ‘genocide’
President says Gaza offensive was an ‘excuse to exterminate’ Palestinians

I wish the Spanish King would just remind him again to stfu !

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:30:16pm

re: #143 Land Shark

I agree Spencer is still an authority on Islamic texts. I've been able to look up and confirm quite a bit of it.

I honestly don't see him as having a great claim to any academic authority.

216 Bob Dillon  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:31:00pm

re: #209 cliffster

Looks like they are running out of other people's money.

Ah - not a problem. Just crank up the presses.

217 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #199 jcm

Google, " Free Constantinople: The Nakba, May 29, 1453 ", since linking directly is discourage. Look at the logo and the read article.

Not sure what's objectionable about that. Seems to be a run-of-the-mill historical article, which isn't a crime I'm aware of (unless you're Robert Zinn, of course, in which case it *should* be!)

Regards,
Brian

218 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:31:43pm

BTW: I am stuck for hours trying to install a fitting OS, that is modern, safe and usable enough, on my (older) notebook.
It's a pain in the ***!

I really considering doing my part for the economy and buying a new one - and worse - a Mac!

With the money they cost here, this would be a real stimulus for the economy!

Only problem: Apple does not make Toughbooks and my stuff needs to be a bit more robust than these charming Airbooks.

And Kindles are still unaviable here. :(

219 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #212 Wendya

As unemployment rises, tax and payroll receipts decline. Increases in taxation will not lower unemployment, it will increase it further or keep it at steady at high rates.

What's the definition of insanity?

...doing Jimmy Carter all over again while expecting different results...

220 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #179 Earth56

Just wishing I guess and its a shame with Lebanon and Beirut which was once the "Paris" of the ME. How is it now ?

Hot, very hot ;-))) without joke: they have rebuild a lot. But it is a shame that all the old houses were destroyed - not only by the civil war, but by speculators. Only one old "villa" is left at the famous "Corniche" and even this villa is nearly demolished. Downtown is nearly completely rebuild and you will find every famous brand of the world their and a lot of restaurants and cafés. Also the district of Hamra is very busy and well of. A lot of tourists are their from Kuwait and other Arab countries.

I met a young business woman their from Ramallah at the Starbucks and she gives a sh*t of all this religious stuff. She only wants to improve her business and her rights as a woman. But I was shocked of the refugee camps in Jordan. Some of them are sh*t holes and islamization is rising. Nearly all the woman are completely veiled. I haven´t seen this in the other camps in the ME.

221 jcm  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:33:34pm

re: #217 snapped shot

Not sure what's objectionable about that. Seems to be a run-of-the-mill historical article, which isn't a crime I'm aware of (unless you're Robert Zinn, of course, in which case it *should* be!)

Regards,
Brian

Look at what the facebook crew advocates that RS signed up with. He walks right up to the edge, but doesn't quite fully jump in that article. Some of the phrasing and ideas are common between the two.

222 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #193 snapped shot

Gee, Lee - That's not what I've heard from the experts in the press over the past 8 years. Why is unemployment (in actual, almost *historic* numbers this time around) suddenly not matter in our economic forecasting, when it was a constant source of sorrow during the Bush years?

Could it really be true that unemployment numbers only matter when there's a (R) in the White House?

B.

He didn't say it didn't matter - he said it's a lagging indicator, which is entirely true. Unemployment rates don't start to fall until a recovery is already well underway. Just as they don't rise significantly until after a downturn has already begun.

223 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:34:49pm

re: #211 Charles

You really don't want to see it, do you?

But thanks for reminding me to check for news on Spencer's latest excursion into extremism. There's a new post up now that you can ignore too.

You mean kinda how you glossed over the charts I linked to, which pretty much puts a kibosh on the whole "Things are Looking Sunny Again" economic report you posted in *this* thread?

;)

(Sorry, theheat. Had ta do it!)

Regards,
Brian

224 jcm  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:35:17pm

re: #218 Joshua Cohen

BTW: I am stuck for hours trying to install a fitting OS, that is modern, safe and usable enough, on my (older) notebook.
It's a pain in the ***!

I really considering doing my part for the economy and buying a new one - and worse - a Mac!

With the money they cost here, this would be a real stimulus for the economy!

Only problem: Apple does not make Toughbooks and my stuff needs to be a bit more robust than these charming Airbooks.

And Kindles are still unaviable here. :(

The MacBook Pros are pretty rugged, mine get beat up pretty good. With the aluminum chassis and shell they solid.

225 snapped shot  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:37:06pm

re: #221 jcm

Look at what the facebook crew advocates that RS signed up with. He walks right up to the edge, but doesn't quite fully jump in that article. Some of the phrasing and ideas are common between the two.

If I might interject a moment of Zen here: If you look hard enough, you can probably commonality in just about anything.

Or, put another way, if you read it with the preconceived notion that you're going to find evidence of naziism or "extremist links," you're likely to find it.

Just sayin'.

Regards,
Brian

226 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:37:12pm

re: #220 zuckerlilly

To me its amazing that those refugee camps are there considering that Jordan is 90% Palestinian. Another case of people used as cannon fodder.

The scariest part of your observation is that Jordan is becoming more "Islamic". Not good for King Hussein, Israel or the MEl.

227 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #196 experiencedtraveller

You have that right. I received a letter from the California State Board of Equalization stating that industry studies indicate a likelihood that this business has purchased fixtures, equipment, machinery, etc. from outside the state. So they want me to review 2006-2008 and report any purchases made without tax paid, provide pages 1-8 of last year's Federal tax return, copy and submit asset depreciation schedule from past year and purchases journal from last year.
I'm just shaking my head. Like I'm going to purchase buses, fuel, parts or drivers from out of state. Their getting desperate.

228 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:42:06pm

re: #227 UFO TOFU

You have that right. I received a letter from the California State Board of Equalization stating that industry studies indicate a likelihood that this business has purchased fixtures, equipment, machinery, etc. from outside the state. So they want me to review 2006-2008 and report any purchases made without tax paid, provide pages 1-8 of last year's Federal tax return, copy and submit asset depreciation schedule from past year and purchases journal from last year.
I'm just shaking my head. Like I'm going to purchase buses, fuel, parts or drivers from out of state. Their getting desperate.

It's the California Job Plan for Accountants, you understand.
Too many accountants are unemployed, so this will get companies to hire them.
/sarc, but it could get spun that way.

229 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #201 jcm

*Gomer Pyle voice*

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise...

Venezuela’s Chavez accuses Israel of ‘genocide’
President says Gaza offensive was an ‘excuse to exterminate’ Palestinians

Israelis are just complete failures at this "genocide" thing.

230 jpkoch  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:42:43pm

The Fed could be correct. On the other hand, with interest rates at 0%, and over $2 trillion of liquidity pumped into the economy via the Treasury's printing presses one would hope things would at the very least temporarily improve.

There are so many foreclosed homes on the market now, that investors with cash should be gobbling them up. This would hopefully lead to a stabilization in real estate. However, credit remains very tight, and little of the $2 trillion that has been printed is making it into the consumer credit markets. What's also should be looked at is the fact that so many Fortune 1000 Corporations have permanently shed their jobs or outsourced them to Asia. The business climate in the US doesn't look too bright right now, and many firms are going where the action is -Asia. Even Europe had positive GDP growth last quarter. So don't look at Wall St profits or gains to necessarily point the way out of this slump. We could very well have a jobless recovery.

And at some point, Bernecke will have to raise interest rates.

231 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #227 UFO TOFU

tOTAL F*ucin Insanity !

and some poeple want more goverment ???

232 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:43:55pm

re: #216 Bobibutu

Ah - not a problem. Just crank up the presses.

No don't! Dianna's savings will be worth less!

233 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:45:01pm

re: #230 jpkoch

And when interest rates go up, and credit cards with their "fed rate plus 15-20%" rates readjust, the credit card companies might make out well, if there aren't a lot of defaults, but spending isn't going to be able to pick up much.

234 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:45:42pm

re: #223 snapped shot

You mean kinda how you glossed over the charts I linked to, which pretty much puts a kibosh on the whole "Things are Looking Sunny Again" economic report you posted in *this* thread?

;)

(Sorry, theheat. Had ta do it!)

Regards,
Brian

I don't see a whole lot of sunshine in the report Charles linked.

The article you linked to concerns unemployment data, which is a trailing indicator; it won't turn downwards until a recovery has already gotten well underway. The classic measure of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth in GDP; given that GDP growth is nearly always positive, it's more difficult to say when a recession has ended, but a return to positive GDP growth for a couple of consecutive quarters is generally a good sign. Most data seems to suggest that the the current quarter will show some growth; this is a positive sign.

GDP growth will have to remain positive for several quarters, however, before companies begin hiring again. It will be quite a while before the unemployment rate begins to drop. As already noted, however, a recovery will have been well underway for some time before that happens.

235 jpkoch  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:48:14pm

re: #234 SixDegrees


I'm afraid they are hiring again -in places like Hong Kong, Bombay, and Saigon.

236 Thor-Zone  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:50:27pm

Yeah...sure...

If you believe that, have I got a deal for you!!

237 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:50:38pm

I have an uncanny knack for posting my only comment of the day just as Charles puts up a new thread.

238 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:52:59pm

re: #226 Earth56

To me its amazing that those refugee camps are there considering that Jordan is 90% Palestinian. Another case of people used as cannon fodder.

The scariest part of your observation is that Jordan is becoming more "Islamic". Not good for King Hussein, Israel or the MEl.


Not Jordan is becoming more "Islamic" only the camps. The Bedouins hate the Palestinians and they will tell this to every one without being asked. But they hate the Gipsy's too (Sinti and Roma) and the Shiites from Iraq who have build a huge mosque near Petra.

Amman tries to copy Tel Aviv as a "white city" and they are obsessed with "green" (with plants). The whole country tries to become "green". Only the camps are Grey and ugly.

239 Erik The Red  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:53:32pm

Hey Lizards, if you are a i phone owner there is a new software update 3.1

240 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:53:38pm

re: #235 jpkoch

I'm afraid they are hiring again -in places like Hong Kong, Bombay, and Saigon.

You're correct that the recovery in the US promises to be slow and weak, thanks to the housing market's decline.

Most of Asia has escaped actual recession, but they have suffered a severe drop in growth that has China, especially, worried. Their burgeoning middle class has drained the countryside and packed urban centers whose infrastructure is woefully overstressed, and the lowered growth rates are slicing into funds targeted at improving these problems. The result is a lot of disgruntled citizens whose quality of life, only recently suddenly improved, has declined measurably of late.

241 Dianna  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #188 swamprat

Yes you are correct about foreclosures.
Many people paid inflated prices to buy before the prices went even further skyward. Others were part of the greedfest orgy. Homes from both groups will have a high foreclosure rate. But the downturn from trepidation over whether to soak in ones' own urine because (gasp!) the president is not a pro-business kind of guy, or whether to actually go ahead and get on with life... well, that bit of nonsense is over.

We still have other hurdles. We can continue being Americans, or we can wait for some hero to leap to the rescue.
Myself, I am not real big on blaming others for my problems, and I'm even less inclined to wait for heroes. I will make the best of whatever situation I find myself in, as will America.

It gets worse than the "greedfest." Some really naive people got the idea that they could take money "out of their home" to settle their debts.

Now, they have no way to climb back out, and the houses are being foreclosed. It's really painful to watch.

242 Thor-Zone  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:56:36pm

re: #71 itellu3times

When you fall off a cliff, and hit bottom, things have firmed.

It will be a very long time to get us back to where we were in late 2007 or mid 2008. I will be in a wheelchair by then.

243 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:59:46pm

re: #237 UFO TOFU

Good luck with the California State Board of Equalization. The very name of that department makes me ill.

244 Thor-Zone  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:00:06pm

re: #145 pat

The most important lesson we have learned from this recession is that it was government caused.

Very astute! It was the overleveraging of Fannie and Freddie, and the federal pressure put on banks to make other loans that would never be paid back. It was only a matter of time before it all came apart.

I couldn't agree with you more!

245 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:05:03pm

re: #224 jcm

The MacBook Pros are pretty rugged, mine get beat up pretty good. With the aluminum chassis and shell they solid.

Sorry, they are not rugged at all.

I own an Itronix GoBook and a not so old GETAC and theses are fully rugged ones. The first even came with a special grounding/shielding so its allowed to be used in a coal mine or power plant and things like that, so that it could not cause explosions via electric sparks, even if you connect or disconnect plugs. and stuff like this.
They look ugly, they are heavy and they cost a lot, but if you need them there is nothing else on the market...and they are really made to last.
And the ones I own look after all the time like someone tried more than once to go over them with a car or worse. Well from the outside - their guts are still fine and in like new condition but not up to date.

Usually I was done with working abroad for years, but the economy crisis...we can not afford a younger employee for this and if it need to be done in a proper way - I have to go by my own.

Oh happy day!

246 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:06:28pm

re: #238 zuckerlilly

Not Jordan is becoming more "Islamic" only the camps. The Bedouins hate the Palestinians and they will tell this to every one without being asked. But they hate the Gipsy's too (Sinti and Roma) and the Shiites from Iraq who have build a huge mosque near Petra.

Amman tries to copy Tel Aviv as a "white city" and they are obsessed with "green" (with plants). The whole country tries to become "green". Only the camps are Grey and ugly.

Thanks for the correction. I love Tel-Aviv because I'm a big fan of Bauhaus and when I tell people about it having the largest amount of buidings in that style their rather amazed. I guess some who have never been to Israel imagine they ride camels on Dizengoof street.

247 gregb  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:06:40pm

re: #145 pat

The most important lesson we have learned from this recession is that it was government caused. First the government encouraged poor banking practices and then it allowed trading in phantom assets with no regulation. Lastly it rewarded those traders and their "insurers" with bailouts.

I love Doug McIntyre's view on 790 KABC radio; the government has been pumping steroids into the economy for years.

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

MCINTYRE: I think that we've been sold a style of debate that's not about substance. It's about the tabloid kind of gotcha kind of zingers one-liners and that's unfortunate. And in terms of the economy, I don't know what to say about the economy, Lou. First of all, I'm not good at it, that's why I get up at 3:00 in the morning to go to work and I work in radio but to me, while we're investigating baseball players for steroids, I think we've got a steroid economy. That's what I think we're doing. We're just throwing cheap credit at it and hoping to push this consumer spending past the election, and then eventually, interest rates have to go up so that the dollar doesn't plunge. I just think this is a whole rigged economy.

248 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:07:42pm

re: #244 Thor-Zone

Very astute! It was the overleveraging of Fannie and Freddie, and the federal pressure put on banks to make other loans that would never be paid back. It was only a matter of time before it all came apart.

I couldn't agree with you more!


and I'll double on that !

249 sagehen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:13:19pm

re: #186 UFO TOFU

Maybe it's not Republican so much as Californian.

Oh, sure, 'cause red states like Louisiana or South Carolina or Idaho never elect people like that.

At least when a New York or New Jersey pol gets caught doing such things, they're embarrassed enough to resign.

250 jayzee  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:16:01pm

Was only a matter of time. Truth is Bush's TARP money and Obama's continuation of TARP helped prevent a full meltdown. Now if only there was a way for the gov NOT to spend the money they haven't yet in the "shovel ready" stimulus bill...
Something to consider however, is that Roubini has expressed concern that the expiration of Bush's tax cuts may push the economy back down.

251 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #246 Earth56

Thanks for the correction. I love Tel-Aviv because I'm a big fan of Bauhaus and when I tell people about it having the largest amount of building's in that style their rather amazed. I guess some who have never been to Israel imagine they ride camels on Dizengoof street.

Sorry to say, but a lot of the Bauhaus buildings are in bad condition. There has to be done a lot of work to renovate them.

Didn't see a single camel at Dizengoff but many motorcycles ;-) TA is a very expensive city so many people have no other choice as to live in hostels and to sleep there in dormitories in their own country. And you will see young and elderly people sleeping at the sidewalks or between houses. I suppose the youngsters have drug problems.

I've heard that there are tensions between Arabs and Jews in Yafo because Jews buy their houses and renovate them.

252 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:23:03pm

re: #251 zuckerlilly

Are you in Tel-Aviv right now ?

253 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:23:56pm

re: #252 Earth56

Yeeesss! ;-)))

254 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:25:20pm

re: #253 zuckerlilly


My mother and sister live in North Tel-Aviv. My sister is on the tip end of Duizengoff Street. I hope your enjoying your stay !

255 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:27:39pm

re: #254 Earth56

That Dizengoff...screwed up keyboard

256 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:28:09pm

re: #254 Earth56

My mother and sister live in North Tel-Aviv. My sister is on the tip end of Duizengoff Street. I hope your enjoying your stay !


Thank you very much, I will. I'll return to Austria sometimes in October.

257 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:30:34pm

re: #256 zuckerlilly


It sounds like this is not your first time there. I met many Austrians and Germans near the Dead Sea at a kibbutznear Ein-Gedi that are experts at mountain climbing. Beautiful area, especially at sunrise and sunset ( sounds like a song I heard )

258 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:30:56pm

I wonder how many are hoping the economy tanks for the next four years simply because Obama is in office.

On second thought, I don't want to know.

259 voirdire  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:31:29pm

Great news! Let's reinstate those COLA increases for social security!

260 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:31:59pm

re: #258 Lee Coller


If someone does than they are suicidal and I voted for McCain

261 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:32:42pm

re: #259 voirdire

Great news! Let's reinstate those COLA increases for social security!


Do the have a Pepsi version ?

262 Wendya  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:32:42pm

re: #258 Lee Coller

I wonder how many are hoping the economy tanks for the next four years simply because Obama is in office.

On second thought, I don't want to know.

Uh-huh... because a tanked economy is just sooo good for my business. /

263 Earth56  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:40:11pm

Take care zucker and enjoy your stay !

have to run

264 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:49:00pm

re: #251 zuckerlilly

And you will see young and elderly people sleeping at the sidewalks or between houses. I suppose the youngsters have drug problems.

Well...mostly runaway kids (teens) from across the country. Some do drugs other not so much (besides booze), most stay just a week or maybe two, spending their money on partying...than they just go back home.
Often before joining army or things like that or after a big fight with their more or less strict parents.

But yes there are also some very poor elderly people, esp. from the former soviet-countries, who never really arrived here.
It's a shame...it would be better to spend more money for them, then for fighting the Arabs.
But if we stop fighting we all will get killed.

265 KernelPanic  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:00:32pm

re: #239 Erik The Red

Thanks! Grabbing it now.

266 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:01:30pm

re: #243 experiencedtraveller

Good luck with the California State Board of Equalization. The very name of that department makes me ill.

Good news for California business! Just got off the phone with BOE. I told him that I didn't buy anything tax-free because I don't have a seller's permit. He said not to worry, soon we will need tp purchase a Consumer's Permit.
Personally, I'm thinking maybe New Mexico would be nice.

267 gregb  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:03:49pm

re: #261 Earth56

Do the have a Pepsi version ?

Coke Zero?

268 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #264 Joshua Cohen

I completely agree.

269 zuckerlilly  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:13:19pm

re: #258 Lee Coller


No, but many European economic experts foretold that the economy will improve in the second half of the year 2009 but will decline again late next year again.

I'm not sure if they are right or not.

270 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:00:45pm

Well, I'm gald this hideous recession is over, but this news report sure sounds a tad pessimistic:

"Barr said that "even if HAMP is a total success, we should still expect millions of foreclosures" as administration and industry efforts continue to stabilize a crisis-stricken housing sector..."

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Millions of foreclosures ??

So now that the recession is over, what's next? The depression?

.

271 captdiggs  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:28:55pm

Recessions always end, at least they always have, historically.
A hitch to this one is that the "stimulus" and related bailouts have pushed the US into record debt levels and unprecedented money supply levels. To finance this debt interest rates have to go up in order to entice buyers of that debt. That means rising interest rates somewhere down the line. The money supply, unless they can thread the needle of reigning it in, will mean inflation.
What many economists are warning of is that rising interest rates, and possible (and necessary) tax increases to both finance the debt and pay it off, will stifle the recovery in a longer term.
That's the ongoing debate between economists. Does the government buy it's way out of a recession with "stimulus"...and does that work in the long term, or do you stimulate business and entrepreneurship by providing tax incentives to expand and hire.
One was Reagan's way...the other is Obama's, and we will all find out, eventually.

272 jcbunga  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:38:30pm

Good, then there's no need to spend the rest of the trillions in the crapulous bill. Issue a great big "nevermind", return GM to the private sector and go away.

In fact, I give The One license to use this for his speech.

He won't even need his prompters.

273 Odahi  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:20:12pm

"Recovery?" I'll be convinced that there's a recovery coming when the Dow hits 10,000 again- only 30% below the high we saw.

274 EE  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:57pm

The recession is over, the government's economists say. But the stimulus money hasn't even started to be spent. Only about 10% has been spent. That means that the stimulus is going to be out of phase with what it is supposed to be doing, and Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have created an UNSTABLE SYSTEM. Because of this phase error, they have created positive feedback, instead of negative feedback. How are they going to damp down the economy when inflation starts to run away? With huge interest rates? Which will kick in after the inflation stage has ended? They are turning the economy into an unstable disaster, which will have larger and larger swings, just as Marx had predicted, as a preface to revolution.

275 William  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:55:58pm

Unemployment is at record highs, residential mortgage defaults are at record highs, our manufacturing base lays in ruin, our best technology jobs are shipped to India en masse, consumer credit defaults are skyrocketing, and the prosperity created over the last few years was an illusion, the result of people buying and selling homes to each other rather than rising income.

Additionally, the toxic mortgages signed over the last few years will reset in the coming months and years, and refinancing is not an option for millions as the houses are (rightfully) worth less than their bubble-era mortgages. There will be yet further bank failures, as the banks cannot continue hiding the toxic waste mortgage-backed assets on their books forever.

People are living check to check, 30 days away from insolvency.

Further, not a single politician has the courage to address any of these concerns, and are simply "hoping for the best" while the fundamentals laid out above indicate hope is not a viable option.

We remain in a world of trouble, and are nowhere near a recovery.


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