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As we wait with bated breath for President Obama’s health care reform speech to a joint session of Congress, here’s a pre-game warmup open thread…

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:51:32pm

Seriously guys, its an Indian symbol for good fortune

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:52:46pm

What time does the speech start?

Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:53:42pm

Don't mess with granny.

davinvalkri Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:53:57pm

I wonder what he'll be saying. Maybe he'll surprise us and suggest maybe he went too far too fast, and is now examining legal reforms?

/hey, one can hope! And change one's tune!

Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:54:06pm

re: #2 Pianobuff

What time does the speech start?

Starts at 8 pm ET. In about an hour.

opnion Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:54:18pm

Obama had to have had a strange day, since as of this morning negotiations were still going on.
How to prepare until you know what you have?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:55:12pm

re: #6 opnion

Obama had to have had a strange day, since as of this morning negotiations were still going on.
How to prepare until you know what you have?

What negotiations?

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:55:32pm

[Exhales into hand and sniffs]...

My breath doesn't smell bated.

BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:55:49pm

How does one convene a joint session of congress?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:55:57pm

bated with worms?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:56:43pm

re: #9 BignJames

How does one convene a joint session of congress?

Do they each get one, or do they have to share?

/I canNOT believe I posted that!

itellu3times Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:57:13pm

re: #9 BignJames

How does one convene a joint session of congress?

First, you get the joints.

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:57:34pm

I like to wait with baited breath. I will usually eat raw squid, anchovies and some night crawlers.

Strangely, few others like waiting with me.

itellu3times Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:57:35pm

too slow, darn

Gus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:57:36pm

re: #5 Charles

Starts at 8 pm ET. In about an hour.

Got your riot gear ready? /

cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:57:59pm

Just got my email from David Axelrod. Would've had been cooler if the subject line was: "There are things being negotiated now that are gonna solve all your problems."

Dear Friend,

Tonight at 8 p.m. ET, the President will address Congress and detail his plan to bring stability and security to Americans who have insurance and affordable coverage to those who don’t. You can watch the speech on television or on WhiteHouse.gov, with an exclusive live chat immediately afterwards.

But you don’t need to wait until then to understand what’s at stake. The President has said many times that reform isn’t about him — it’s about a health insurance system that is breaking America's families and small businesses. Millions of Americans have lost coverage, are denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, and continually watch premiums skyrocket out of control. That’s why Americans want reform and why Congress must act.

Two brave parents who represent these struggles — Laura Klitzka from Wisconsin and Nathan Wilkes from Colorado — will join the First Lady at the Capitol to watch tonight’s speech. Their powerful stories underscore what’s at stake with health insurance reform:

Health Care Stories

Stories like Laura’s and Nathan’s remind us that there isn’t time to wait, and that the status quo is not an option. Tonight, the President will clearly explain what health reform means to Americans — both those who have insurance now and those who don’t. He will also specify what health reform doesn’t mean — clearing up the confusion that has been fomented by the special interests and defenders of the status quo.

Tune into to the speech tonight at 8 p.m. ET. It’s an historic moment you won’t want to miss.

Thank you,
David

David Axelrod
Senior Adviser to the President

P.S. Don’t forget: as soon as the President finishes his speech, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn will respond directly to reactions and questions in an exclusive live chat. So even if you watch the speech on TV, grab a computer and join the discussion: on Facebook or [Link: www.WhiteHouse.gov...]

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:58:24pm

re: #3 Charles

Don't mess with granny.

That's not M*ndy, is it?

/ ... *gulp*

jj101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:58:27pm

In this photo of the P5 +1 meeting with Mr. Mottaki, one of the people meeting him, apparently a Western female diplomat, is wearing a headscarf. Can we find out who she is, and if this is correct, why this Dhimmi behavior? What's next, a burka?

[Link: uk.biz.yahoo.com...]

Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:58:28pm

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

bated with worms?

Hi Brat! Hope today finds you well..
Has anyone ever heard from DustyVet since his sister passed? It's been months

itellu3times Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:58:49pm

I just wanna ask Mr. President - what will my current policy cost under your new bill?

If he can't answer that, wtf is he even talking about?

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:58:51pm

re: #8 Pianobuff

[Exhales into hand and sniffs]...

My breath doesn't smell bated.

Beat me. GMTA.

BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:59:02pm

re: #12 itellu3times

First, you get the joints.

I knew that was coming as soon as I hit "post comment."

Salamantis Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:59:42pm

I'm not gonna miss my US Open tennis games just to watch the POTUS give a speech.

I'll read the transcript later.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:59:50pm

OK - I say he goes with a red tie, white shirt, very dark suit. Like Tiger Woods on Sunday...

Or maybe the paisley shirt and a set of Bebe stiletto pumps...

JHW Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:00:04pm

Russian Tattoo "artwork"

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:00:11pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

Hi Brat! Hope today finds you well..
Has anyone ever heard from DustyVet since his sister passed? It's been months

I was wondering precisely the same thing a day or two ago.

I'll hop out and do a "user:" search.
back in a minute.

Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:00:32pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

Hi Brat! Hope today finds you well..
Has anyone ever heard from DustyVet since his sister passed? It's been months

He is a friend of mine on facebook and is active there. I have not seen him post here in ages.

itellu3times Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:00:42pm

re: #22 BignJames

I knew that was coming as soon as I hit "post comment."

Version the second:
you get out the oilcans, and start singing, "If I only had a heart"

/like the Tinman in the Wizard of Oz.

Russkilitlover Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:00:57pm

I wonder if he'll address Max Baccus' 5-pages of specifying areas for revenue generation. Lots and lots of taxes in there. Rush did a good read through of them on air today.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:01:00pm

re: #16 cronus

Just got my email from David Axelrod. Would've had been cooler if the subject line was: "There are things being negotiated now that are gonna solve all your problems."

Careful if you go over to Facebook, Obama said so.

stuck in california Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:02:41pm

more like a crack session of congress...

aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:03:03pm

“The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action,” hHe will say.

Bullshit. This is not a game. If Obama even mentions 'games' ...well, you finger it out.

I frankly don't believe what I'm seeing and reading.

...and I'm pissed.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:03:45pm

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was wondering precisely the same thing a day or two ago.

I'll hop out and do a "user:" search.
back in a minute.

I have not since his last phone call to me in May. I have sent a few emails, no answers, no bounces.

callahan23 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:03:47pm

re: #27 Erik The Red

He is a friend of mine on facebook and is active there. I have not seen him post here in ages.

Hi Erik, Dustys latest comment was this ;-)

Boris Badenov Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:04:10pm

Oh, would be funny joke to put Obama's Teleprompter into Cyrillic letters only mode.

I will tell Technical Operations Department to work on it.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:04:28pm

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was wondering precisely the same thing a day or two ago.

I'll hop out and do a "user:" search.
back in a minute.

I can call him if needed. I can try his phone number.

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:04:43pm

re: #16 cronus

Just got my email from David Axelrod. Would've had been cooler if the subject line was: "There are things being negotiated now that are gonna solve all your problems."

Looks like the appeal is going to moral/emotional.

Looks like they are going to punt the "we will cover everyone and improve quality at no additional cost" ball and simply go with guilt and fear. Not that many a POTUS doesn't end up going with guilt and fear.

Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:04:44pm

re: #27 Erik The Red

He is a friend of mine on facebook and is active there. I have not seen him post here in ages.

Great! I lost his number months ago but I talked to him one night for about 30 minutes and we laughed our asses off.. Great guy..American Hero..With a really good heart...I spoke to him after his sister passed and you could feel the loss..But he has a great laugh and a good spirit..
I'm glad he is doing well and active on FB.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:05:02pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

Hi Brat! Hope today finds you well..
Has anyone ever heard from DustyVet since his sister passed? It's been months

back in: Last comment posted here was on Sat., May 16.

From Erik's above, I gather he's okay.

avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:05:34pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Careful if you go over to Facebook, Obama said so.

I thought you were kidding, made me google it:

Obama offered, what he called some “practical political advice” to a 9th grader at Wakefield High School in the Washington suburb of Arlington, Virginia, who asked how he too could become President one day, saying that “when you’re young, you know, you make mistakes and you do some stupid stuff.”

“I want everybody here to be careful about what you post on Facebook, because in the YouTube age whatever you do, it will be pulled up again later somewhere in your life,” Obama said. “That’s number one.”

Boris Badenov Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:05:44pm

I am Средний маленький человек от средней маленькой страны.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:05:50pm

re: #32 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

“The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action,” hHe will say.

Bullshit. This is not a game. If Obama even mentions 'games' ...well, you finger it out.

I frankly don't believe what I'm seeing and reading.

...and I'm pissed.

Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

WinterCat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:05:56pm

re: #16 cronus

Two brave parents who represent these struggles — Laura Klitzka from Wisconsin and Nathan Wilkes from Colorado — will join the First Lady at the Capitol to watch tonight’s speech. Their powerful stories underscore what’s at stake with health insurance reform:

Call me a cynic but I get so tired of the formula
emotional stories that both sides trot out for these speeches. I wish they would leave that stuff out and just deal with the facts.

Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:06:15pm

re: #34 callahan23

Hi Erik, Dustys latest comment was this ;-)

Hey Cal23. I had no clue that was his last comment. Spooky. :)

callahan23 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #44 Erik The Red

Hey Cal23. I had no clue that was his last comment. Spooky. :)

Some things are that.

Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:06:54pm

I keep thinking the speech will be something like this:

Youtube Video

Boris Badenov Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:07:03pm

Ah crap, Windows not handle Cyrillic good like Macintoshki.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:07:05pm

re: #32 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

“The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action,” hHe will say.

Bullshit. This is not a game. If Obama even mentions 'games' ...well, you finger it out.

I frankly don't believe what I'm seeing and reading.

...and I'm pissed.

Is there a "doing nothing is not an option" stuck in there for good measure?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:07:22pm

re: #40 avanti

I thought you were kidding, made me google it:

Obama offered, what he called some “practical political advice” to a 9th grader at Wakefield High School in the Washington suburb of Arlington, Virginia, who asked how he too could become President one day, saying that “when you’re young, you know, you make mistakes and you do some stupid stuff.”

“I want everybody here to be careful about what you post on Facebook, because in the YouTube age whatever you do, it will be pulled up again later somewhere in your life,” Obama said. “That’s number one.”

It was a bit of sarcasm on my part, a joke, settle down :)

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:07:31pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

I can call him if needed. I can try his phone number.

Make sure Hoops knows that (we're cross-posting here)

If you happen to call Dusty, tell he we're thinking of him

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:07:56pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Great! I lost his number months ago but I talked to him one night for about 30 minutes and we laughed our asses off.. Great guy..American Hero..With a really good heart...I spoke to him after his sister passed and you could feel the loss..But he has a great laugh and a good spirit..
I'm glad he is doing well and active on FB.

re: #39 pre-Boomer Marine brat

back in: Last comment posted here was on Sat., May 16.

From Erik's above, I gather he's okay.

I will call him tonight.

NukeAtomrod Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:08:31pm

I'm going to try my hand at psychic precognition...

hummaahnaahummaahnaahummaahnaa...

I'm getting a vision of Obama's upcoming speech... The President is reading his lines from his trusty teleprompter. His speaking voice is comforting, uplifting... He is saying familiar things... We can't afford to wait... He must create a new government program to compete with the insurance companies... Some people went broke because they couldn't get insurance... Some people got sick and died because they couldn't get insurance... There are things on a table... He is smiling and making witty, yet subtle insults about people want a different solution. He is saying... nothing... nothing new.

Bwawawawa! Woah! That was intense.
I wonder if my vision will come true.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:01pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I will call him tonight.

Thanks.

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:13pm

re: #43 WinterCat

Call me a cynic but I get so tired of the formula
emotional stories that both sides trot out for these speeches. I wish they would leave that stuff out and just deal with the facts.

We've all come to expect such from each POTUS so it just has become an event that most people gloss over emotionally.

BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:17pm

re: #43 WinterCat

Call me a cynic but I get so tired of the formula
emotional stories that both sides trot out for these speeches. I wish they would leave that stuff out and just deal with the facts.

But, then it wouldn't be politics.

UFO TOFU Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:24pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

And old Arizona highway signs I believe.

cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:43pm

re: #37 karmic_inquisitor

Looks like the appeal is going to moral/emotional.

Looks like they are going to punt the "we will cover everyone and improve quality at no additional cost" ball and simply go with guilt and fear. Not that many a POTUS doesn't end up going with guilt and fear.

If the economics of my "reform" plan were as bad as the current Democratic proposals I'd probably opt for the telethon approach as well.

callahan23 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:09:59pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I will call him tonight.

Do send him my best wishes. Thanks in advance.

WinterCat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:11:21pm

re: #55 BignJames

But, then it wouldn't be politics.

It seems more like bawlitics to me.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:11:51pm

Excerpt from the speech:

"I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last."

Does anyone besides me find this to be a very strange statement, I mean really bizarre?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:11:55pm

Hoops, ... did you see Walter's #51 ?

Salamantis Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #43 WinterCat

Call me a cynic but I get so tired of the formula
emotional stories that both sides trot out for these speeches. I wish they would leave that stuff out and just deal with the facts.

Personalizing the political is part of the Alinsky formula.

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:23pm

Got a text earlier that George Stephanopolis thinks that Obama may actually mention tort reform tonight as a way to sandbag the GOP. If he did effective tort reform, I would buy the argument that we could cover everyone at no additional costs.

Russkilitlover Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:27pm

How long before St. Kennedy is evoked?

Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:46pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Thanks...Walter...Hey what do you think about our new Boris the russian Poster? I haven't decided to fall out of my chair backward laughing ( he's pretty funny) Or making sure by the end of this thread I'll have Boris programming on speed dial the number of his local medical health care provider...It's a good night to stress test Healthcare tonight...

WinterCat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:47pm

re: #62 Salamantis

Personalizing the political is part of the Alinsky formula.

Bush did this stuff too and it drove me nuts. They all seem to do it.

cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:12:57pm

re: #60 Pianobuff

Excerpt from the speech:

"I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last."

Does anyone besides me find this to be a very strange statement, I mean really bizarre?

Good catch. I found it strange as well. It's as if the dynamics of public policy will magically freeze after his administration.

Russkilitlover Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:13:20pm

re: #64 Russkilitlover

How long before St. Kennedy is ~~evoked~~ invoked?

unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:13:26pm

While waiting with bated breath here's some Thomas Sowell to read.

Salamantis Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:13:50pm

re: #67 cronus

Good catch. I found it strange as well. It's as if the dynamics of public policy will magically freeze after his administration.

I took it to mean that he's determined to succeed.

Adrenalyn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:13:53pm

will he let Charlie Sheen speak ?

he has demanded to speak with the president

[deleted] Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14:47pm

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:15:03pm

re: #67 cronus

Good catch. I found it strange as well. It's as if the dynamics of public policy will magically freeze after his administration.

I guess what he's trying to say is that he will succeed where others haven't, but it's very badly worded to the point of sounding narcissistic or simple-minded...or something.

avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:15:24pm

re: #60 Pianobuff

Excerpt from the speech:

"I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last."

Does anyone besides me find this to be a very strange statement, I mean really bizarre?

Nope, I love it. It's sort of a line in the sand, buck stops here sort of comment. It's a follow me or get out of the way line and a bit out of his normal mellow.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:06pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

You have to make sure to heat the formula to the right temperature first, though.

I'll be damned if I'm gonna drip Alinksy formula on my wrist, though!

cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:20pm

re: #70 Salamantis

I took it to mean that he's determined to succeed.

Yeah, I'm also certain that's what he meant but it is worded strangely.

aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:26pm

re: #42 Pianobuff

Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Ya...screw it they're dead.

Which reminds me of a email of ROE's:

Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with
a '4.'
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is
expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral &
diagonal
preferred.) 9. Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or
tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to
shoot.

Navy SEALS Rules:

1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
2. Kill every living thing within view.
3. Adjust speedo.
4. Check hair in mirror.

US Army Rangers Rules:

1. Walk 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
3. Request permission via radio from 'Higher' to perform killing.
4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

US Army Rules:

1. Curse bitterly when receiving operational order.
2. Make sure there is extra ammo and extra coffee.
3. Curse bitterly.
4. Curse bitterly.
5. Do not listen to 2nd LTs; they can get you killed.
6. Curse bitterly.

US Air Force Rules:

1. Have a cocktail.
2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
3. See what's on HBO.
4. Ask 'What is a gunfight?'
5. Request more funding from Congress with a 'killer' PowerPoint
presentation.
6. Wine & dine 'key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
8. Declare the assets 'strategic' and never deploy them operationally.
9. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.
10. Make sure the base is as far as possible from the conflict, but close
enough to have tax exemption.

(And I Love This Next One) Go Navy!

US Navy Rules:

1. Go to Sea.
2. Drink Coffee.
3. Deploy Marines

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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:44pm

re: #62 Salamantis

Personalizing the political is part of the Alinsky formula.

Just remember that Reagan used to do it all the time. He kinda created the "citizen in the gallery" call out to personalize what he pitched. thing is, consumers are now used to the technique and a bit numb to it, IMO.

itellu3times Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:50pm

re: #60 Pianobuff

Excerpt from the speech:

"I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last."

Does anyone besides me find this to be a very strange statement, I mean really bizarre?

yes

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:16:55pm

re: #74 avanti

Nope, I love it. It's sort of a line in the sand, buck stops here sort of comment. It's a follow me or get out of the way line and a bit out of his normal mellow.

As I stated above, I think that's the intention but there were so many better ways to say it. I'm not criticizing the intent - it's appropriate to what he wants to do - it's just a bit mangled.

reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:17:17pm

My absolute fave from the WalMart collection of photos

[deleted] Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:18:14pm

Salamantis Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:18:53pm

re: #79 karmic_inquisitor

Just remember that Reagan used to do it all the time. He kinda created the "citizen in the gallery" call out to personalize what he pitched. thing is, consumers are now used to the technique and a bit numb to it, IMO.

Let's face it; both Gramsci and Alinsky have long been used by politicians on both sides of the aisle.

solomonpanting Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:18:53pm

re: #64 Russkilitlover

How long before St. Kennedy is evoked?

The Senate could pass a health care bill with its sixty Dems. However, Kennedy's passing has left it with fifty-nine and his replacement might not be in place for months. How ironic that the Father of Health Care is not with us to vote for his labor of love.

wrenchwench Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:18:55pm

re: #18 jj101

In this photo of the P5 +1 meeting with Mr. Mottaki, one of the people meeting him, apparently a Western female diplomat, is wearing a headscarf. Can we find out who she is, and if this is correct, why this Dhimmi behavior? What's next, a burka?

[Link: uk.biz.yahoo.com...]

Apparently she is Swiss. Here's more info:

swissinfo: You are one of the only women diplomats in Iran. Do you have difficulties in a society ruled by men? How do you deal with the obligation to wear the headscarf?
L.L.A.: I am actually the only woman ambassador in Iran, the former female representative from Sierra Leone having finished her assignment before my arrival.

So far, this position has certainly not been to my disadvantage. My treatment by the authorities has been respectful, professional and expeditious – I was able to present my credentials to the president within one month, which is almost a record.

As far as wearing the headscarf in public places is concerned, this is a legal obligation for any woman independent of her nationality, religion or rank.

I do understand why this obligation is being questioned but as a diplomat I am required to respect the laws of my country of residence.

I'd say "not dhimmitude" since she is following the law.

Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:19:02pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

I was hoping it meant that if the current proposal goes down in flames, that's the end of it. Guess not.

There's still a lot of speculation about if the public option is going to make it. It seems they've worked out some sort of comprimise to pass something. We might get some hints tonight but I think they're going to unveil the bill next week.

Bagua Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:19:14pm

Flounce alert prior thread... guess who?

Lee Coller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:19:28pm

Snapped Shot has Snapped on the previous thread.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:19:58pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

There's still a lot of speculation about if the public option is going to make it. It seems they've worked out some sort of comprimise to pass something. We might get some hints tonight but I think they're going to unveil the bill next week.

What's it going to more closely resemble? House Bill? Baucus? Something different?

HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:20:09pm

There's got to be a better way to drink water.

Youtube Video

Bagua Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:20:34pm

re: #89 Lee Coller

Snapped Shot has Snapped on the previous thread.

Hey, don't give away my quiz!

Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:21:09pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

Those are hilarious, I'm still looking through them too.

Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:21:37pm

re: #90 Pianobuff

I have no idea.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:23:13pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Those are hilarious, I'm still looking through them too.

But is that the modern day equivalent of Norman Rockwell?

< --- no, there's not one, but I am grinning

wrenchwench Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:23:35pm

re: #91 HelloDare

There's got to be a better way to drink water.

Oh, no. I can't watch that again. I'm still sore from the last time!

albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:23:48pm

re: #91 HelloDare

There's got to be a better way to drink water.

obviously not a New Mexicat

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:23:55pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

I have no idea.

I sure hope that if it's got new/revised content there is time to read it before voting.

Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:24:03pm

Baucus Cuts Bait: Moving Forward With Or Without GOP

Max Baucus is getting serious. Just a few hours before President Obama is scheduled to address a joint session of Congress, the Finance Committee chairman announced that the committee would be moving forward with a health care reform bill - with or without the GOP.

The announcement followed a morning meeting with the so-called Gang of Six.

A source with knowledge of the situation said that Baucus told the two other Democrats and three Republicans that he will be putting out a "Chairman's Mark" by the middle of next week whether he has Republican support or not. (A Chairman's Mark is a bill written by the chairman of the committee.)

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avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:24:16pm

re: #81 Pianobuff

As I stated above, I think that's the intention but there were so many better ways to say it. I'm not criticizing the intent - it's appropriate to what he wants to do - it's just a bit mangled.

Perhaps, I'll wait for the context and delivery to be sure. I think he tried to not repeat the Clinton mistake of writing a plan and let congress do it. As it turned out, it was called Obamacare just like Hillarycare anyway. It's time for him to try some herding of cats. If he fails, it will be a major setback, and he needs to put it all on the line.

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Cato Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:24:44pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Camille Paglia [Link: www.salon.com...]

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Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:24:47pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

My absolute fave from the WalMart collection of photos

Gee, most of those people look like the "normal" people walking around my leftist little town.

Don't ask what the real freaks look like...

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:24:59pm

re: #97 albusteve

Hey there!
How is you?!?!

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey there!
How is you?!?!

jollie moi

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:25:58pm

re: #100 avanti

Perhaps, I'll wait for the context and delivery to be sure. I think he tried to not repeat the Clinton mistake of writing a plan and let congress do it. As it turned out, it was called Obamacare just like Hillarycare anyway. It's time for him to try some herding of cats. If he fails, it will be a major setback, and he needs to put it all on the line.

Yup - of all of the speeches he has given this year, this may be his most critical one yet. Whatever it is, want to take bets that the D's will love it and the R's won't?

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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:25:59pm

re: #97 albusteve

obviously not a New Mexicat

Hi albusteve! My New Mexicats like a trickle from the faucet, but would high-tail it for the door if any got on their heads!

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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:09pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Oh, no. I can't watch that again. I'm still sore from the last time!

Was it posted here before?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:10pm

re: #98 Pianobuff

For a while they were talking about voting in October. Not sure if that's still the plan. If they have the votes they might move it up just so nothing changes. I really don't see this as a rush job. They've been working on this stuff since the Clinton era. There has been plenty of time for debate.

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Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:30pm

re: #104 albusteve

jollie moi

Good to see you!

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avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:42pm

re: #105 Pianobuff

Yup - of all of the speeches he has given this year, this may be his most critical one yet. Whatever it is, want to take bets that the D's will love it and the R's won't?

Ya think ?/

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:51pm

re: #97 albusteve

Good to read from ya.

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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:26:55pm

re: #107 HelloDare

Was it posted here before?

Yep, Killgore posted a live leak version IIRC.

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:27:13pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

For a while they were talking about voting in October. Not sure if that's still the plan. If they have the votes they might move it up just so nothing changes. I really don't see this as a rush job. They've been working on this stuff since the Clinton era. There has been plenty of time for debate.

Huh? If there is different content in the bill it needs to be processed, no?

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:27:38pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Hi albusteve! My New Mexicats like a trickle from the faucet, but would high-tail it for the door if any got on their heads!

all that water for a friggin cat vid!...I get grumpy about stuff :)

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:28:28pm

re: #109 HoosierHoops

Good to see you!

how do I look?...like my new buzz cut?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:29:00pm

re: #101 Cato

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Camille Paglia [Link: www.salon.com...]

WOO HAH!
Good one!
Thanks!

/coming from both a staunch Republican and a Liberated Man

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:29:22pm

re: #111 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Good to read from ya.

thanks

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #113 Pianobuff

Huh? If there is different content in the bill it needs to be processed, no?

It has been processed. It's in committee now. I suspect they add stuff and take stuff out to get people to agree to it. it sounds like the process is pretty much done.

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kiwiviv Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:29:57pm

I'm going to watch the prime time tennis match between new US teen sensation: Melanie Oudin and Wozniacki. At least I will not be throwing things at the TV!

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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #100 avanti

Perhaps, I'll wait for the context and delivery to be sure. I think he tried to not repeat the Clinton mistake of writing a plan and let congress do it. As it turned out, it was called Obamacare just like Hillarycare anyway. It's time for him to try some herding of cats. If he fails, it will be a major setback, and he needs to put it all on the line.

Well the Democrats put a great deal of effort into recruiting moderate/conservative candidates in the last 2 cycles.

Those very candidates are the ones who are now most vulnerable.

Will they sacrifice themselves to preserve Obama's prestige? To save the liberals? I doubt they will.

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Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:30:48pm

re: #115 albusteve

how do I look?...like my new buzz cut?

Damn Hippie!

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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #114 albusteve

all that water for a friggin cat vid!...I get grumpy about stuff :)

I got quite the ab workout the first time I saw it. Worth every drop!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:31:31pm

re: #104 albusteve

jollie moi

du is Jolie?
Angelina, is that you?
OMG, it was a sex-change operation!

*running like hell*

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

It has been processed. It's in committee now. I suspect they add stuff and take stuff out to get people to agree to it. it sounds like the process is pretty much done.

will be interesting to see how the new bill addresses fraud, cheating and defensive medicine...I can hardly wait

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yochanan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:31:51pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

some of the posts are almost as bad as that photo.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:32:13pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

For a while they were talking about voting in October. Not sure if that's still the plan. If they have the votes they might move it up just so nothing changes. I really don't see this as a rush job. They've been working on this stuff since the Clinton era. There has been plenty of time for debate.

But fine-tuned by now? Not concise at all, it seems.

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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #97 albusteve

Hi!
*waves*

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

It has been processed. It's in committee now. I suspect they add stuff and take stuff out to get people to agree to it. it sounds like the process is pretty much done.

Again, which bill are you referring to? From one of your prior posts it sounded like it wasn't clear. It's not to me. Is it one the public has seen?

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:32:55pm

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hoops, ... did you see Walter's #51 ?

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Damn Hippie!

Ok, I just spoke to Dustyvet. He's ok, in the sense that he is not sick, still a little feeling down about his sister.

I will be back in about 1 hour to answer any other questions.

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Village Idiot's Apprentice Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:33:06pm

Test...
One...
Two...
Four..no..wait!!...three

Sorry, hadn't posted in a while, and it took a bit for the account to start up.

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:33:20pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

I got quite the ab workout the first time I saw it. Worth every drop!

I'm sure the water went into a bucket to boil their corn on the cob...I shouldn't be so hasty

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:34:12pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I just spoke to Dustyvet. He's ok, in the sense that he is not sick, still a little feeling down about his sister.

I will be back in about 1 hour to answer any other questions.

Bless your heart.
I may be out for the evening by then, but I'll catch up later.

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solomonpanting Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:34:21pm

re: #130 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Test...
One...
Two...
Four..no..wait!!...three

Sorry, hadn't posted in a while, and it took a bit for the account to start up.

Let it idle for a bit.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:35:06pm

re: #131 albusteve

I'm sure the water went into a bucket to boil their corn on the cob...I shouldn't be so hasty

Jeez, the water had all kinds of cat slobber and fur in it.

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:35:30pm

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Nice to see you back. Hope you're doing well.

thanks...I have a triathlon booked next week

jus kidding

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:36:38pm

Repost from dead thread... In honor of the Shidduch discussion:

My favorite Shidduch joke:

Rebitzen Gilda: Ohhh... I have such a girl for you!

Young Man: Really? Is she pretty?

RG: And she is sooo smart. She just finished her degree in accounting! I know that isn't like a doctor, but you're no rocket scientist yourself...

YM: Ohhh, that's impressive, but, is she pretty?

RG: And did I mention that she can cook? Ohhh such a good cook she is, she'll put some meat on your bones. You're sooo skinny.

YM: Well, I do like good cooking, but, well, ma'am, is she pretty?

RG: She comes from such a good family too...

YM: Rebitzen, would you fix up your son with her?

RG: You are not my son.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:37:47pm

re: #137 ludwigvanquixote

OMG!
LOL!

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:38:31pm

re: #138 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
LOL!

Yeah, good Jewish humor is always self referential.

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:38:31pm

re: #135 debutaunt

Jeez, the water had all kinds of cat slobber and fur in it.

it was a cute vid...but I cringe when I see the waste

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:39:39pm

re: #140 albusteve

it was a cute vid...but I cringe when I see the waste

Same here. In California I'm always trying to conserve water.

142

albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:40:08pm

re: #127 Floral Giraffe

Hi!
*waves*

howdy, and thanks to all for the get well posts Walter passed on for me...really a spirit booster

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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:40:33pm

re: #140 albusteve

it was a cute vid...but I cringe when I see the waste

Well, yeah...but technically...

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solomonpanting Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:40:59pm

re: #139 ludwigvanquixote

Yeah, good Jewish humor is always self referential.

Personal, too.

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midwestgak Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:41:55pm

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Does anyone know what this is/means? It preceded a message I received.

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:42:29pm

re: #144 solomonpanting

Personal, too.

Sometimes... If you really want to get down to it, Jewish humor always revolves around the consequences of not doing the right things.

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Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:43:49pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I really don't see this as a rush job. They've been working on this stuff since the Clinton era. There has been plenty of time for debate.

You've got to be kidding me.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #124 albusteve

Good to see you back again. How are you feeling?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:44:52pm

re: #147 Wendya

I shit you not.

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:45:34pm

Anyone hear a rumor about Hillary stepping down from SOS to run for Governor of NY?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:45:41pm

re: #142 albusteve

howdy, and thanks to all for the get well posts Walter passed on for me...really a spirit booster

Did Walter say we were hoping you'd get well ?!?!?!
WALTER! WTF!

/it's great to have you back

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:45:47pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Good to see you back again. How are you feeling?

better...I can see straight and thought I'd post a bit...lots of pain meds to keep me sane...thanks

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Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:47:29pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I shit you not.

So, because the left wants government health care, it doesn't matter if it's rushed through, no one reads the legislation, it's unaffordable and the public is opposed.

The debate is just beginning.

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Digital Display Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:47:41pm

Programming note...
This is going to have to be one hell of a speech tonight..I mean really..
He either sees the giant wave of the public sentiment and gives the talk of his life or Heathcare gets toned down and he loses...Even a good talk won't work..It's sermon on the mount or nothing...That's my feeling from middle American...You better go FDR cause Carter ain't flying here

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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:48:02pm

Wow, this GOP "family values" assemblyman in California is a real jaw-dropper.

Sat in front of an open mike (unknowingly) and blabbed away about the female lobbyists he's been screwing, with all kinds of graphic details about spanking and "leaking." Eeewww!

Youtube Video

Had a 100% rating as a good conservative. Oh, brother.

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Throbert McGee Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:48:06pm

re: #47 Boris Badenov

Ah crap, Windows not handle Cyrillic good like Macintoshki.

It's not a Windows thing -- the LGF hamsters choke on strings of non-Latin characters more than 5 letters long. The way around it is to insert some EMPTY bold or ital tags into the middle of the Cyrillic Russian words, as I've done in the text below:

Я люблю помазать на хлеб оливковое-чесночном пюре, называется по-испански "тапанаде".

This usually works like a charm -- the empty tags break up the Cyrillic into smaller chunks that don't upset the hamsters, but the effect is invisible to the reader.

(And the sentence above means "I like to spread on bread an olive-garlic puree that's called tapanade in Spanish" -- just something I posted recently on a Facebook group for non-native speakers of Russian.)

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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:48:38pm

re: #142 albusteve

howdy, and thanks to all for the get well posts Walter passed on for me...really a spirit booster

Albusteve!
Great to see you back!

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Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:49:15pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

Even a good talk won't work..It's sermon on the mount or nothing...

This is going to be the fearmongering on the mount. Millions will die if we don't pass this legislation tomorrow!!!

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:49:57pm

re: #155 Charles

Wow, this GOP "family values" assemblyman in California is a real jaw-dropper.

Sat in front of an open mike (unknowingly) and blabbed away about the female lobbyists he's been screwing, with all kinds of graphic details about spanking and "leaking." Eeewww!

[Video]Had a 100% rating as a good conservative. Oh, brother.

The dissembling assemblyman?

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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:50:15pm

re: #137 ludwigvanquixote

I've had, and continue to have, those conversations all too often.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:50:32pm

re: #150 Pianobuff

Anyone hear a rumor about Hillary stepping down from SOS to run for Governor of NY?

What a quitter!

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:02pm

re: #155 Charles

At least he's hetero.

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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:03pm

re: #158 Wendya

This is going to be the fearmongering on the mount. Millions will die if we don't pass this legislation tomorrow!!!

He shoulda' given that speech before the Aug. recess.

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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:24pm

re: #155 Charles

For some reason I still respect him.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:32pm

re: #142 albusteve

howdy, and thanks to all for the get well posts Walter passed on for me...really a spirit booster

Welcome back! I hope things improve quickly.

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solomonpanting Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:33pm

re: #146 LudwigVanQuixote

Sometimes... If you really want to get down to it, Jewish humor always revolves around the consequences of not doing the right things.

There's a Jewish rye sense of humor in there just waiting to make a samich.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:38pm

Almost beer time!

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Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:51:42pm

re: #155 Charles

Sat in front of an open mike (unknowingly) and blabbed away about the female lobbyists he's been screwing, with all kinds of graphic details about spanking and "leaking." Eeewww!

I love it when they get busted live. Let's hope he doesn't have a Jimmy Swaggart moment in front of the cameras.

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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:52:04pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

Albusteve!
Great to see you back!

tis a good thing for me if I don't get too sassy...thank you

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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:52:35pm

re: #155 Charles

Wow, this GOP "family values" assemblyman in California is a real jaw-dropper.

Sat in front of an open mike (unknowingly) and blabbed away about the female lobbyists he's been screwing, with all kinds of graphic details about spanking and "leaking." Eeewww!

[Video]

Had a 100% rating as a good conservative. Oh, brother.

What at absolutely disgusting toad of a man!

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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:52:37pm

re: #166 solomonpanting

Quit that.

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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:52:56pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Almost beer time!

Killgore - live a little - go ahead and have that beer 30 seconds early.

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Pianobuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:53:08pm

Maximum Head Explodage to come...

Palin Sides With Obama on Afghanistan

By Peter Baker

On at least one of his major policies, President Obama is getting support, and a nudge, from an unlikely quarter – Sarah Palin.

Ms. Palin, the former governor of Alaska and last year’s Republican vice presidential nominee, joined a group of conservatives signing a letter to Mr. Obama praising him for his management of Afghanistan and urging him to commit more troops there.

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