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When they aren’t calling me names, or threatening me with violence, the twisted people who post at a blog dedicated to stalking LGF are threatening the life of the President: Leftists Love Their Autocrats — 2.0: blogmocracy.com.

(All links in this post are to Google’s cache, because I don’t link directly to hate sites.)

6. Bill Jenkins on 9 September, 2009 at 3:26 pm  reply 
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson.

Chalk this clown as one of the tyrants. (With a picture of Barack Obama.)

Here’s a screenshot, because they’ll probably try to hide it now:

UPDATE at 9/10/09 9:43:29 am:

It may not be as disgusting and vile as threatening the President, but here’s just one of many threats of violence against me: Open Thread: The Blogmocracy Manifesto Edition.

32. bar on 7 September, 2009 at 5:29 pm reply
re: #20 by Iron Fist
Kinda like when the hunter is being hunted type of thing.

That guy may want to watch his peddleing, one stick through those pussy spokes and his fat face will meet the payment right quick.

I just hope he gets a picture of it!

A screenshot:

UPDATE at 9/10/09 10:16:00 am:

That is far from the only threat against President Obama that has been posted at the stalker site. Here’s one of their “founders,” complaining at his own hate blog because his call for someone to assassinate Obama was deleted: Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights.

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2
Posted by avideditor on December 3, 2008

Some one deleted my comment from LGF2 because I asked that question. It is still legal because Obama is yet to be President of the USA. I think he cheated to get Elected and that Obama is a Jihadi. I am leaving America because he is going to be president. I love America and I really do not want to leave. That is why I asked that question. I am no longer posting at LGF2, unless I receive an apology. It has already been a day and the traffic is already down there. Here are some of the stuff I posted there.

A screenshot:

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580 comments
1 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:33:37am

I hope the Secret Service is reading their cesspool blog.

2 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:33:37am

What fresh hatred is this?

3 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:34am

I am so sick of that "tree of liberty" crap; it's the "Patriot" version of "up against the wall, pigs!"

4 Kragar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:58am

re: #2 debutaunt

Same shit, different day

5 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:41am

Hope they enjoy talking to the USSS and/or FBI!

6 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Same shit, different day

What stale shit is this?

7 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:21am

And of course, they hate Charles for not letting them post this shit here.

8 vxbush  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #6 debutaunt

What stale shit is this?

Hark! What shit through yonder window breaks?

9 Kragar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:25am

The compost heap of history is constantly renewed with the blood of idiocy and bigotry. Welcome to the heap.

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:56am

And folks were trying to tell us this Liberty Tree quote was innocuous at protests. It's not.

11 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:38:39am

re: #8 vxbush

Hark! What shit through yonder window breaks?

It is the haters, doing their harking.

12 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:53am

Their version of loyal opposition? /

13 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:42:07am

Memo to LGF2 - if you're going to pursue this path, be prepared for the consequences- visits by the US Secret Service and/or FBI followed by criminal charges. Such speech can and should be construed as threats against the President of the US, and those engaging in same should be prepared for same.

You can dislike the President without threatening his life. You can debate without debasing yourself or threatening others. But then again, that didn't stop you before, and it's not going to stop you now - until the USSS comes in and does just that.

14 Kragar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:06am

Marking Gilad Shalit’s Birthday

One thousand, one-hundred, sixty-nine days, 17 hours, 36 minutes and 22 seconds. That’s how long Gilad Shalit had spent in captivity as of Sunday night, Sept. 6, as 250 members of the Los Angeles Jewish community gathered at American Jewish University (AJU) to mark the soldier’s 23rd birthday.

The community event, sponsored by the Israeli Leadership Council (ILC), AJU and The Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles, was the first of its kind in Los Angeles to publicly address the subject.

“Israelis here care about Gilad Shalit’s fate,” said Shoham Nicolet, ILC executive director. “But they talk about it in their own homes. When you talk to any Israeli here, they know the facts; they know what the latest developments are. They just haven’t addressed it in public before.”

The impetus for the event, three years after Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas on June 25, 2006, came from the Israeli community. Two Israelis, Hofit Kahan and Yanir Dekel, approached Nicolet, outraged that other U.S. cities were honoring Shalit’s fourth birthday in captivity but Los Angeles, the city with the largest population of Israelis outside of Israel, had nothing planned.

A week and a half later, Los Angeles had an event.

15 Chekote  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:16am

Does the Secret Service investigate this kind of stuff? Can they?

16 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:16am

One of the stalkers goes on a rant about Charles and ends with this:

Leave us alone.

The irony is rich. But please- why don't you lead by example then? Idiot.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:18am

Didn't Savage put up a front page post after the election hoping that someone would assassinate Obama?

18 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:46am

I, for one, eagerly await the sound of their tears after some number of them get detained by the US Secret Service for threats against the President.

19 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:44:50am

OK lizards, I looked it up:

[CITE: 18USC373]


TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

20 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:10am

I see "bar" has used one of his own x-rays as an avatar.

21 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:15am

I want to say something pithy and wise, and perhaps even witty, about the stalker blogs, but I can't.

Even more so, I can't find any humor in wishing ill on someone because of disagreement. Respect in argument doesn't seem to exist anymore.

Regardless, (and before any stalkers think that all I'm doing is brown nosing, think again) thanks for being steadfast in your beliefs, Charles, even if at times we don't see eye to eye.

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Didn't Savage put up a front page post after the election hoping that someone would assassinate Obama?

Got a Google cache link?

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:38am

re: #15 Chekote

Does the Secret Service investigate this kind of stuff? Can they?

They can but I think usually they won't take the effort unless there's something more specific. This will probably land you on some sort of watchlist though.

24 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:42am

Could he be auditioning for a show on Air America?

25 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:46:03am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Didn't Savage put up a front page post after the election hoping that someone would assassinate Obama?

Link?

26 Chekote  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:46:03am

The whole idea of establishing a stalker site is just mind boggling.

27 StillAMarine  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:46:47am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The compost heap of history is constantly renewed with the blood of idiocy and bigotry. Welcome to the heap.

Hey, let's not insult compost heaps! I know some maggot infested compost heaps that are a lot cleaner than these vile, twisted people.

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #26 Chekote

The whole idea of establishing a stalker site is just mind boggling.

It's just sick. They have no life outside the target of their stalking.

29 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:39am

re: #27 StillAMarine

Hey, let's not insult compost heaps! I know some maggot infested compost heaps that are a lot cleaner than these vile, twisted people.

And compost heaps actually produce something fertile and useful.

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:39am

re: #22 Charles

No, I would even know how to start looking. It was something like hoping that a sniper's bullet would save the country from an Obama Presidency.

31 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:48:35am

re: #26 Chekote

The whole idea of establishing a stalker site is just mind boggling.

Wrapped up in anger over a blog that wouldn't let them most stuff they were warned against posting, so they spend their time complaining about it.
They make trekkies look like they have a life.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:48:54am

re: #27 StillAMarine

Hey, let's not insult compost heaps! I know some maggot infested compost heaps that are a lot cleaner than these vile, twisted people.

Besides, compost helps plants grow.

33 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, compost helps plants grow.

Yeah; they nourish something besides resentment and hate.

34 Chekote  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:34am

I just don't know how Charles, Sharmuta, Kilgore Trout deal with knowing fanatics are out there making YouTube videos about them. I don't know what sparked the dispute but banning is common place. RedState has banned a lot of people. Are there any stalker sites of RedState?

35 S'latch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:53am

Iron Fist? That name sounds familiar.

36 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:55am

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

Wrapped up in anger over a blog that wouldn't let them most stuff they were warned against posting, so they spend their time complaining about it.
They make trekkies look like they have a life.

Didn't you hear? Trekkies is an insult, they prefer to be called Trekkers.

(of course, there's the anecdote that Gene Roddenberry said during an interview that he says they're Trekkies because he created the darn thing)

37 StillAMarine  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #13 lawhawk

It couldn't happen too soon.

38 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:35am

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

They make trekkies look like they have a life.

Yeah!

Wait, what?

39 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:52:26am

I dunno. Reading the post in context, it sounds like that guy was threatening Tom Friedman, the subject of the thread, rather than the President. He just happens to have an icon of a cigarette-smoking Barry O for his online ID, which is physically associated with that particular post.

40 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:53:30am

re: #39 mikalm

Given that, the threats and insults directed against this blog, Charles and the contributors are still pretty inexcusable.

41 Dahveed  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:53:30am

My company blocks their site as a hate site.

42 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:10am

People are idiots, particularly in groups where they're encouraged by "yeah! Go!"

They're going to find themselves in very deep...deepness. And they will deserve it.

43 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:12am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

No, I would even know how to start looking. It was something like hoping that a sniper's bullet would save the country from an Obama Presidency.

I'm looking, but it's slow.

44 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:37am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Didn't Savage put up a front page post after the election hoping that someone would assassinate Obama?

Not too my knowledge. They haven't been that brazen yet. They've come close, very close to the line however. Their comments on the other hand, are a cesspool that makes the Stickney Sewage Treatment Plant (that treats most of Chicago's raw sewage) look like a swimming pool.

They've advocated for the death of the president, the death of Charles, the rape of several female lizard commentors, and general injury to anyone who opposes them. They are disgusting, and a general warning to anyone who thinks that by merely commenting over there that you are simply communicating with other former lizards, if you register there, you give that nutjob Savage your name, your email, and God knows what else. Do you really think giving Savage that info is a good idea? Not to mention that by commenting there, you are essentially condoning what they say.

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #39 mikalm

Thomas Friedman is a "tyrant?" Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.

46 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #39 mikalm

It's still a threat. I don't know that it's something law enforcement can act on; it may not cross that line.

The intent, though, is quite clear.

For the record: I hate that Jefferson quote.

47 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:55:30am

re: #41 Dahveed

My company blocks their site as a hate site.

Heh. And they are right, it is a hate site.

48 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:55:32am

re: #43 reine.de.tout

I'm looking, but it's slow.

Straining a sewer for a particular lump of shit is a tedious and disgusting task.

49 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:55:49am

re: #45 Charles

Thomas Friedman is a "tyrant?" Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.

Perhaps in their drama-queen minds. They obviously view you as Antichrist himself.

50 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:19am

re: #48 Salamantis

Straining a sewer for a particular lump of shit is a tedious and disgusting task.

reading the nov 2008 headlines.
jaw-dropping.

51 affenkopf  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:23am

Charles, what happened to your other stalker blog - the leftist one?

Anything amusing/crazy from them lately?

52 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #48 Salamantis

Straining a sewer for a particular lump of shit is a tedious and disgusting task.

Best analogy about the Internet, ever.

53 StillAMarine  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:57am

Well, gotta go back to work. I have a big weekend planned, spreading several cubic meters of good, rich compost in my garden. No maggots, just earthworms. Then afterward, I can enjoy a few beers and a good book.

Just finished The Israel Test by George Gilder. Excellent!

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:37am

re: #51 affenkopf

Charles, what happened to your other stalker blog - the leftist one?

Anything amusing/crazy from them lately?

The people running that blog seem to have gone away. Maybe they're in jail.

55 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:39am

re: #45 Charles

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

56 Chekote  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:45am

re: #53 StillAMarine

Well, gotta go back to work. I have a big weekend planned, spreading several cubic meters of good, rich compost in my garden. No maggots, just earthworms. Then afterward, I can enjoy a few beers and a good book.

Just finished The Israel Test by George Gilder. Excellent!

Really? That's next on my reading list.

57 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:57am

re: #8 vxbush

Hark! What shit through yonder window breaks?

Is this a shit I see before me? The toilet bowl's handle toward my hand?

58 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:59am

re: #10 Sharmuta

And folks were trying to tell us this Liberty Tree quote was innocuous at protests. It's not.

I would say it would be very much a matter of context and intent.

Granted, I bend over backwards because of my personal prejudice.

59 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #51 affenkopf

Charles, what happened to your other stalker blog - the leftist one?

Anything amusing/crazy from them lately?

how many are there?...I didn't even know about this one until today...guess I never thought about looking.

60 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:41am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

I haven't paid any attention to Friedman for quite a while.

61 calcajun  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:54am

Do people not understand that making a threat against the life of the POTUS is a Federal offense. Writing such a threat online is publication of that threat. At the very least, it is going to earn you a visit from the local constabulary --and it won't be a pleasant "let's chat" social visit, either. Idiots, all of them.

62 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #57 iceweasel

Is this a shit I see before me? The toilet bowl's handle toward my hand?

And you folks wonder why I call them the Deuce. :-)

63 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:59:02am

re: #45 Charles

Thomas Friedman is a "tyrant?" Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.

Yes, especially since that op-ed from yesterday that revealed him to be a total moron.

64 JHW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:59:03am

I'm not too savvy on this kind of stuff, can anyone more knowledgeable make use of it? Finding old Web pages

65 Shug  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:00:44am

Bar's brain is nowhere near that big.

66 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:01:24am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

At best, Friedman is merely a sycophantic apologist for a set of tyrants. Much like Duranty was.

67 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

How many kids died in that disaster? How many families were left with no children thanks to that idiotic one-child law?

68 Chekote  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman's column was incoherent. I mean to refer to the Chinese leadership as an "enlightened group of people" was over the top. Just ask the dissents in Tibet how "enlightened" they are. It was over the top like Palin's "death panels".

69 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:16am

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

70 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #20 Sharmuta

I see "bar" has used one of his own x-rays as an avatar.

"Bar" is a shill for them. Whenever Defenseman or Irish Rose make a post about the Deucers (Damn, I love that term for them), Bar is always first in line to defend the shit that goes on at the Deuce. Who the hell was "Bar" anyway at LGF? I don't remember a commentor by that nic here.

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:28am

Hooray for Iron Fist!

///

72 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:28am

re: #66 Salamantis

Thanks, Sal. You pretty much took the words out of my mouth...or from my fingertips, as the case may be.

73 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #66 Salamantis

Which is truly sad, since he was one of the best reporters on ME coverage when he was in the region during the 1980s. Once he stuck himself behind a desk, his quality went downhill, fast.

74 Shug  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:58am

When LGF2 has to change their name due to copyright violations, I propose they rename it the DAILY P.O.S.

75 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #61 calcajun

Do people not understand that making a threat against the life of the POTUS is a Federal offense. Writing such a threat online is publication of that threat. At the very least, it is going to earn you a visit from the local constabulary --and it won't be a pleasant "let's chat" social visit, either. Idiots, all of them.

Break out the waaahmbulance.

76 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #60 Charles

I haven't paid any attention to Friedman for quite a while.

The article the other day was quite startling.

77 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:03:52am

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

Understandable, but since he got the stick and wandered over to the Deuce, that's closer to par for the course for him there.

78 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:04:35am
Iron Fist
Kinda like when the hunter is being hunted type of thing.

That guy may want to watch his peddleing, one stick through those pussy spokes and his fat face will meet the payment right quick.

I just hope he gets a picture of it!/blockquote>

Aside from the obvious criminality of that statement, there is also an element of cowardice, picking a screen name such as "Iron Fist" and typing hollow threats is a sign of a frightened machismo; Iron Fist is without a doubt a wimp in real life and has probably been bullied so much that he is filled with rage and dreams of being a stronger man.

79 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:04:48am

re: #61 calcajun

It's a red meat crowd over there, high fiving each other for being snide and intimidating. And it's funny, too, you'll notice how much less emphasis people put on their grammar and spelling over yonder - it transcends the typical typos and missed words and accidental juxtapositions you'll see every day - it's simply knuckle dragging stupid. It does, however, accurately reflect its members. And the flouncers from LGF that may have been borderline have progressed to full-on rant and hate mode there.

It's really a pretty gross place.

80 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:02am

This is the blog of one of the freaks who runs the stalker site, "avideditorla:"

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights

81 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:05am

re: #66 Salamantis

At best, Friedman is merely a sycophantic apologist for a set of tyrants. Much like Duranty was.

So you're saying that Friedman is being blackmailed and has a loved one as a hostage?

/sorry - couldn't resist.

82 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:17am

re: #58 Dianna

I would say it would be very much a matter of context and intent.

Granted, I bend over backwards because of my personal prejudice.

I don't understand. What prejudices?

83 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #76 Dianna

The article the other day was quite startling.

The ol' skull beneath the skin. A lot of people become authoritarians, or at least sympathize with dictatorial tactics, when their favorite political figure or pet cause is at stake.

84 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:23am

These maroons have not experienced tyranny and if they had they would be in Mommy's basement sucking their thumbs not calling for revolution.

Hey geniuses! We have a democratically elected President. Get involved in local politics and vote in the next election- you still have your franchise (although you wouldn't know it from their rhetoric).

Having said that I wish our President wouldn't be so fast and loose with the confirmation process and federal spending or we may be opening the door to future tyranny.

85 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

Understandable, but since he got the stick and wandered over to the Deuce, that's closer to par for the course for him there.

It's proof positive that exposure to the corrosive effects of membership in a stalker blog can rust your brain.

86 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:51am

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

Yeah.

87 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:53am

re: #67 Leonidas Hoplite

How many kids died in that disaster? How many families were left with no children thanks to that idiotic one-child law?

That was a scary two weeks for me. Almost lost my niece and my brother in that quake.

88 Shug  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:06:08am

re: #80 Charles

This is the blog of one of the freaks who runs the stalker site, "avideditorla:"

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights


How f'd up do you have to be to get stuff deleted over there?

89 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

Is that in the cached copy Charles linked to? I can't find it.

90 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #82 Sharmuta

I don't understand. What prejudices?

My utter detestation of the "Tree of liberty" quote, combined with my antipathy to Jefferson in general.

91 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:01am

re: #80 Charles

This is the blog of one of the freaks who runs the stalker site, "avideditorla:"

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights

Ah, that must have been what I was thinking of. Nice find.

92 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:15am

re: #80 Charles

This is the blog of one of the freaks who runs the stalker site, "avideditorla:"

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights

Okay, now I understand. If you've got people that tightly-wound posting there, a death threat against the POTUS doesn't seem too out of the ordinary.

93 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:31am

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

Why are you surprised? Wasn't it obvious what kind of person he was?

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:47am

re: #88 Shug

They had a big fight over that at the time.

95 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #90 Dianna

My utter detestation of the "Tree of liberty" quote, combined with my antipathy to Jefferson in general.

All the stolen money in the freezer?

96 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:08:06am

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

97 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

That shmuck is not worth one nano-second of your time.

98 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #93 Charles

Why are you surprised? Wasn't it obvious what kind of person he was?

Yeah, he always seemed to be a bit too angry and in love with violent rhetoric and imagery to last very long in polite company. When he got the Stinky treatment, I wasn't surprised at all.

99 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #88 Shug

How f'd up do you have to be to get stuff deleted over there?

Either very fucked up, or simply be in full disagreement with them. They love the echo chamber.

100 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:31am

Iron Fist never accepted the genetic fact that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from ancient common ancestors.

He was one of those "I ain't related to no damned dirty ape!" people.

101 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:55am

re: #96 Sharmuta

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

That means the downdinger may be one of their sock puppets here. They openly boast of having several at LGF.

102 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:42am

Note: Iron Fist was not the commenter threatening Charles. "bar" did while responding to Iron Fist's comment #20.

103 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:46am

re: #100 Salamantis

Iron Fist never accepted the genetic fact that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from ancient common ancestors.

He was one of those "I ain't related to no damned dirty ape!" people.


Get your damn dirty paws off of my genome! /

104 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:03am

re: #39 mikalm

I dunno. Reading the post in context, it sounds like that guy was threatening Tom Friedman, the subject of the thread, rather than the President. He just happens to have an icon of a cigarette-smoking Barry O for his online ID, which is physically associated with that particular post.

That's how I read it as well. Barry is his post icon; that guy has other posts with him as well (such as #8 in that thread).

But I agree that calling Friedman either a patriot or a tyrant is pretty hyperbolic. I think of him now as a sorry little man, given to repeating old Obama speeches at home in front of a mirror while sensuously massaging one of his linty black turtlenecks. 'course, that applies to most of the Times' op-ed stable.

105 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:23am

re: #96 Sharmuta

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

Who? And which comments?

106 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:23am

re: #101 Honorary Yooper

That means the downdinger may be one of their sock puppets here. They openly boast of having several at LGF.

This person doesn't like critical comments of stalkers.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:56am

re: #96 Sharmuta

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

Don't worry; it lets Stinky know who to keep an eye out for. And a stick out.
I wonder how many people who seemed to get banned quickly really had been down-dinging posts, showing their true colors, and then got the stick when they stuck their slimy head out far enough.

108 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:05am

re: #96 Sharmuta

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

Not any more.

109 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #95 debutaunt

All the stolen money in the freezer?

That's a matter separated by a gulf of years!

110 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #102 unrealizedviewpoint

Who is bar?

111 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:46am

Charles, et al.:

What gets me is the level of personal hatred exhibited in that post. The image of someone causing a bicycle wreck and rejoicing at seeing someone's face strike the pavement. ... It turns my stomach. I figured he was sore with Charles for the banning but, that level of anger scares me. I've not visited over there in ages so I had no idea what was going on.

112 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:46am

re: #106 Sharmuta

This person doesn't like critical comments of stalkers.

One more sock puppet bites the dust.

113 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:47am

re: #101 Honorary Yooper

That means the downdinger may be one of their sock puppets here. They openly boast of having several at LGF.

Doesn't do them much good, since they lose them once they use them.

114 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #100 Salamantis

Iron Fist never accepted the genetic fact that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from ancient common ancestors.

He was one of those "I ain't related to no damned dirty ape!" people.

How ironic that he appears a throwback.

115 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:07am

re: #102 unrealizedviewpoint

Note: Iron Fist was not the commenter threatening Charles. "bar" did while responding to Iron Fist's comment #20.

Bar, Rodan (even though he claims to not be interested in Charles anymore), Savage, and a couple of others really seem to have it in for Charles. They threaten him at every opportunity, and they derail almost all of their threads into "I hate Charles Johnson" threads. Usually that happens by the 20th comment (if they even make it that far - I've seen the hate spew by the first comment).

116 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:16am

re: #108 Charles

Not any more.

I've been meaning to ask. What is it like having limitless power over life and death?

117 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:31am

re: #106 Sharmuta

This person doesn't like critical comments of stalkers.

And he's blocked now.
I wonder whose sock puppet he was.

118 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #109 Dianna

That's a matter separated by a gulf of years!

Even centuries!

119 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #111 MandyManners

Charles, et al.:

What gets me is the level of personal hatred exhibited in that post. The image of someone causing a bicycle wreck and rejoicing at seeing someone's face strike the pavement. ... It turns my stomach. I figured he was sore with Charles for the banning but, that level of anger scares me. I've not visited over there in ages so I had no idea what was going on.

Later in that thread he makes a very explicit threat to hunt me down where I live.

120 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #108 Charles

You rock.

121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #111 MandyManners

Charles, et al.:

What gets me is the level of personal hatred exhibited in that post. The image of someone causing a bicycle wreck and rejoicing at seeing someone's face strike the pavement. ... It turns my stomach. I figured he was sore with Charles for the banning but, that level of anger scares me. I've not visited over there in ages so I had no idea what was going on.

It is scary. People unable to control their anger... *shudder*

122 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:37am

re: #106 Sharmuta

This person doesn't like critical comments of stalkers.

72 comments in 2 years. Looks like a sock puppet to me.

123 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:38am

re: #115 Honorary Yooper

Bar, Rodan (even though he claims to not be interested in Charles anymore), Savage, and a couple of others really seem to have it in for Charles. They threaten him at every opportunity, and they derail almost all of their threads into "I hate Charles Johnson" threads. Usually that happens by the 20th comment (if they even make it that far - I've seen the hate spew by the first comment).

Sheesh - some apparently just don't take rejection very well.

124 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #100 Salamantis

I don't recall that. Certainly, he did not identify as a YEC.

125 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:46am

re: #119 Charles

Later in that thread he makes a very explicit threat to hunt me down where I live.

Like a spurned lover, for G-d's sake. No wonder you've got Mr. Mossberg watching your back.

126 doubter4444  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:58am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

I don't like to rag on Tommy, but perhaps it's a monetary thing to suck up to the Chinese.
His in-laws net worth went from almost a BILLION dollars to something like a hundred million.
Maybe he's looking for investors to buy in to all those shopping centers.
/ (if necessary)

127 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:04am

Can't stand Friedman for a few years now. He's long been a laughingstock. People have run contests on the left "Write your own TF column". So long as it includes a sweeping generalisation based on a conversation he had with a cab driver, you've pretty much nailed it. Include some hilariously shattered metaphors for the full TF effect.

Here is a recent and awesome Matt Taibbi takedown of his vacuity.


Someone wrote a column about "how to write a Thomas Friedman column" back in 2004. I can only find it hosted at this link:

Here is some of it:

1. Choose your title to intrigue the reader through its internal conflict:

a. War and Peas
b. Osama, Boulevardier
c. Big Problems, Little Women


5. Remember: Thomas Friedman is the Carrie Bradshaw of current events. Think Sex and the City, write “Sects and Tikriti”

6. Name-drop heavily, particularly describing intimate situations involving hard-to-reach people:

a. The Jacuzzi was nearly full when Ayman al-Zawahiri, former surgeon and now Al Qaeda’s head of operations, slid in.

b. It was Thomas Pynchon on the phone. “Tommy,” he said, probably aware we share that name ..

c. Despite the bumpy flight, I felt comfortable in the hands of a pilot as experienced as Amelia Earhart.

Thoman Friedman really deserves nothing but mockery at this point. I gather he used to be good, and I've heard his book "from beirut to jerusalem" was good, and I used to like him years ago- no more.

128 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:18am

re: #121 thedopefishlives

It is scary. People unable to control their anger... *shudder*

Their idea of anger management is managing to collectively focus it on a specific person.

129 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #121 thedopefishlives

It is scary. People unable to control their anger... *shudder*

A lot of people let down their veneer of civility on line thinking they are anonymous or somehow under the radar. The scary part is not knowing who is full of crap from who is full of crap and willing to act out on it.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:01am

I've don't do other blogs, but if I got banned from a blog, I don't think I would go back and act like an ass. Just move on with life. Fucking losers.

131 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:14am

re: #89 Kosh's Shadow

Is that in the cached copy Charles linked to? I can't find it.

It's at the top of the page here.

132 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:36am

re: #110 unrealizedviewpoint

Who is bar?

Bar is one of the main thread posters at the Deuce. He has authored many of their posts, and comments in many of their threads. He is also very defensive of the Deuce on Irish Rose's site and Defenseman.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:44am

What's the deal with all this hate. Who has the time?

134 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:48am

re: #124 Dianna

I don't recall that. Certainly, he did not identify as a YEC.

We debated it more than once. I would provide the evidence from comparative artifactual retroviral DNA studies, and he would say that he believed how he believed, and that was the end of it for him.

135 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:01am

bbl, lizards

136 calcajun  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:11am

Must return to the salt mines, but consider this...

There's the aphorism; "If you fail to plan, plan to fail." The GOP failed to plan on how they would handle being in in the wilderness--miserably. Instead of a cogent message and an organized party, it is a scene reminiscent of Plutarch when Caligula was killed, or the November Revolution-- there's a scramble for power. That scramble has yet to end--no one has climbed to the top of the greasy pole, so it seems. The disaster is that in all the yelling, both here on the net and in the news, is that the other side is defining the GOP message. That must stop--and soon.

The GOP cannot continue to be portrayed as John Cleese in the "Argument" sketch (yes, it can). It must devise a message, but first, it has to find a voice to combat how it is being defined. If in politics, perception is in fact reality, then the GOP is the party of "no"-- and that has to change before the beginning of next year.

137 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:14am

re: #129 DaddyG

A lot of people let down their veneer of civility on line thinking they are anonymous or somehow under the radar. The scary part is not knowing who is full of crap from who is full of crap and willing to act out on it.

And THIS is what I don't get. I don't make any bones about who I am, on or offline. I treat you, and all other people I banter with over the intertubes, the same way I would treat them in person, because, well, they're people. I think that folks with the extreme hate/anger issues lose sight of the fact that the person they're getting so heated about is, in fact, a real person.

138 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:27am

re: #111 MandyManners

Charles, et al.:

What gets me is the level of personal hatred exhibited in that post. The image of someone causing a bicycle wreck and rejoicing at seeing someone's face strike the pavement. ... It turns my stomach. I figured he was sore with Charles for the banning but, that level of anger scares me. I've not visited over there in ages so I had no idea what was going on.

What a fucking whiner! I need to grow up.

139 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:41am

re: #122 Honorary Yooper

72 comments in 2 years. Looks like a sock puppet to me.


Or someone with a life. //

140 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:49am

re: #119 Charles

Well, fortunately, it's probably not something he can afford.

141 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:51am

re: #131 MandyManners

It's at the top of the page here.

Thanks; I had to refresh because the top had been updated since I looked.

142 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:01am

I think I know how to get instantly banned, deleted, and tossed out of that site in a nanosecond. I'd just post:

"Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs' folks have raised the level of civilized discourse and disagreement, have set the standard for fact-checking information, and have consistently demanded that people back up their statements with legitimate information and solid links. How about trying that here?"

(The sound you'd hear after that would be heads exploding like popcorn in a 1930's movie theater's refreshment stand.)

143 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:14am

re: #119 Charles

Later in that thread he makes a very explicit threat to hunt me down where I live.

I'll take your word for it. I'm not looking.

144 calcajun  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #109 Dianna

That's a matter separated by a gulf of years!

That an a nickel will bayou a cup of coffee.

Getting outta here before being swamped with puns.

145 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #128 Salamantis

Their idea of anger management is managing to collectively focus it on a specific person.

Which, curiously, does not help.

146 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:26am

re: #138 MandyManners

What a fucking whiner! I need to grow up.

No, you don't.

147 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #123 Creeping Eruption

Sheesh - some apparently just don't take rejection very well.

No, apparently they don't. These sick fuckers are also some of the ones spreading lies about Charles around the internet over on other blogs. Some of them have been very active over at Ace and Hot Air as well, poisoning those wells.

148 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:41am

re: #144 calcajun

That an a nickel will bayou a cup of coffee.

Getting outta here before being swamped with puns.

Later, gator.

149 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #143 MandyManners

I'll take your word for it. I'm not looking.

There are some websites on the Internet I refuse to visit. That one is one of them.

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20:27am

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

151 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20:32am

re: #146 Dianna

No, you don't.

8-)

152 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20:52am

re: #132 Honorary Yooper

Bar is one of the main thread posters at the Deuce. He has authored many of their posts, and comments in many of their threads. He is also very defensive of the Deuce on Irish Rose's site and Defenseman.

And I think it was "bar" who made a comment there once, amazed at the mental midgets Charles allows to be here while someone of his superior mental abilities is not allowed.

I'm not quite sure how someone whose spelling includes "peddleing", and "payment" (instead of pavement) is so superior, but hey, what do I know.

153 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:03am

re: #150 Charles

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

Why am I not surprised?

154 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #150 Charles

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

Didn't he help them revamp their site? I have a clear memory of that.

155 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #149 thedopefishlives

There are some websites on the Internet I refuse to visit. That one is one of them.

It requires a bottle of industrial strength Pepto with mixed-in Maalox crumbles.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #143 MandyManners

I'll take your word for it. I'm not looking.

People will go there for me. I don't need to wade into a cesspool. Might get an infection.

157 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #142 subsailor68

Shit, subsailor, a comment like that over on the Deuce would get you banned and get you death threats.

158 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:36am

re: #139 DaddyG

Or someone with a life. //

Tell me about it. I hate it when my real life gets in the way of my virtual life.

On the other hand, it probably is good to get off the holodeck from time to time.

159 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #147 Honorary Yooper

No, apparently they don't. These sick fuckers are also some of the ones spreading lies about Charles around the internet over on other blogs. Some of them have been very active over at Ace and Hot Air as well, poisoning those wells.

Even the Ace-hole himself has asked people to stop turning every one of his threads into a CJ-hatefest. But- he asked them to keep them on the CJ-hate threads, so- not very noble in the long run.

160 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:43am

On the "assassination" post, it looks to me like the picture of the President is just his icon, I read the threat to be directed at Charles, that Charles is the tyrant.

161 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:47am

re: #147 Honorary Yooper

No, apparently they don't. These sick fuckers are also some of the ones spreading lies about Charles around the internet over on other blogs. Some of them have been very active over at Ace and Hot Air as well, poisoning those wells.

Yes, the level of obsession is amazing. Some of those people have literally dedicated their lives to spreading lies and smears about me on every website that will let them post a comment.

162 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #116 DaddyG

I've been meaning to ask. What is it like having limitless power over life and death?

God gave him a smidgen of source code...
/

163 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #96 Sharmuta

WTF is someone downdinging critical comments of the stalkers?!

BakiShamil?
Who is that?

164 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:22:42am

re: #150 Charles

BTW, it's Bar that is making these threats? Who was this person?

165 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:22:59am

They also lie about banning people. They have banned Reginald Perrin more than a few times, according to RP.

166 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:23:01am

re: #161 Charles

A psychiatrist would have an active practice with that lot.

167 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:23:02am

re: #163 VioletTiger

BakiShamil?
Who is that?

A former sock.

168 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:23:39am

re: #163 VioletTiger

BakiShamil?
Who is was that?

169 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:23:49am

re: #150 Charles

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

Okay, that's actually kinda weird.

170 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:22am

re: #161 Charles

Yes, the level of obsession is amazing. Some of those people have literally dedicated their lives to spreading lies and smears about me on every website that will let them post a comment.

You know, the energy that they dedicate to something this STUPID is such a waste. Imagine what positive things could've been done if their heads weren't so screwed up.

171 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #165 Sharmuta

They also lie about banning people. They have banned Reginald Perrin more than a few times, according to RP.

It goes with the theme of his name.

172 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:28am

re: #167 MandyManners

A former sock.


heh.

173 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:55am

re: #170 thedopefishlives

You know, the energy that they dedicate to something this STUPID is such a waste. Imagine what positive things could've been done if their heads weren't so screwed up.

Same could be said for the jihadists in Gaza.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:18am

re: #55 lawhawk

Friedman isn't a tyrant, but his adulation of the Chinese government should be more than a little troubling. In fact, it made me retch. I can't believe how far he's fallen since he left the fieldwork to others to concentrate on his op-ed column. He's now busy shilling that we've got a whole lot to learn from the Chinese (sounds a wee bit like Obama's adulation of Chinese infrastructure - before the Sichuan quake showed the widespread failure of same, and don't get me started on the environmental disaster that is China on a daily basis). That doesn't even begin to touch on the blatant disregard for human rights and what they do to political prisoners.

What's the matter with you? You can't be paranoid like a normal person, you gotta express rational, fact-based disagreement with the man's work? What kind of a sick freak are you?

///

175 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #161 Charles

Yes, the level of obsession is amazing. Some of those people have literally dedicated their lives to spreading lies and smears about me on every website that will let them post a comment.

You have given their rudderless little lives purpose and meaning!

176 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:34am

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

Okay, that's actually kinda weird.

Not weird at all. It's Spencer's way of trying to stick it to me as much as possible. He's a petty, vindictive little man who, when criticized, resorts to bullying tactics, threats of legal action (that never materializes), and personal insults.

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:38am

I am on wireless riding down the road at 70mph.

SCIENCE!
ENGINEERING!
INVENTORS!

WOO HOO!

(someone else is driving. What do you think? I'm nuts?)

178 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:21am

FWIW - that "Regards, Brian" guy from yesterday, the guy that couldn't help but keep tagging those gd smileys to his posts, he galloped over the stalker site yesterday to tell his buddies all about it, like the kid that gets his ass beat at the playground, so he sucks up to the thugs to feel like he belongs.

I knew anyone that relied on smileys that much was counterfeit as hell.

179 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:38am

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am on wireless riding down the road at 70mph.

SCIENCE!
ENGINEERING!
INVENTORS!

WOO HOO!

(someone else is driving. What do you think? I'm nuts?)

Nope, no need to think at all. We ALL know that you are nuts. :)

/come on, no meat?

180 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:44am

re: #173 MandyManners

Same could be said for the jihadists in Gaza.

True enough.

re: #176 Charles

Not weird at all. It's Spencer's way of trying to stick it to me as much as possible. He's a petty, vindictive little man who, when criticized, resorts to bullying tactics, threats of legal action (that never materializes), and personal insults.

I never understood that whole thing. Robert Spencer used to come across as such a sane, intelligent man. Then again, most of the vast unhinged did too, at one point; very few of them deliberately showed up to the party as crackpots.

181 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you think? I'm nuts?)

It had crossed my mind once or twice.

///My, how black is my kettle...

182 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:12am

re: #150 Charles

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

Yep. They also link to him, Gates of Vienna, a few blogs made by Deucers, Gordon's warped site, the "Liberties Alliance" (aka Center for Vigilant Freedom), Fjordman, and GCP (the old version and the new one - same shit, different name).

183 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't need to wade into a cesspool. Might get an infection.


Agreed. I don't know and I don't want to know. They shouldn't get any traffic. Not looking.

184 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #181 JamesTKirk

It had crossed my mind once or twice.

///My, how black is my kettle...

In bed.

185 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:46am

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am on wireless riding down the road at 70mph.

SCIENCE!
ENGINEERING!
INVENTORS!

WOO HOO!

(someone else is driving. What do you think? I'm nuts?)

Are you posting from a phone? How do you do that? I can't post from my Blackberry.

186 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:54am

re: #1 NJDhockeyfan

I hope the Secret Service is reading their cesspool blog.

I just sent them an email with links to the pertinent details. They're required to investigate all threats made against the President; it's part of their charter.

Most likely, little will be done. But it will certainly be reviewed. Honestly, though, these loons are all talk and no action; it makes them feel like their lives are worth something to toss around idle threats that they will never act upon.

187 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
With your head out the window and drool
running into your ears??
That's the way I travel!
LOL

188 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #178 theheat

FWIW - that "Regards, Brian" guy from yesterday, the guy that couldn't help but keep tagging those gd smileys to his posts, he galloped over the stalker site yesterday to tell his buddies all about it, like the kid that gets his ass beat at the playground, so he sucks up to the thugs to feel like he belongs.

I knew anyone that relied on smileys that much was counterfeit as hell.

Imagine my surprise.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:28:19am

re: #80 Charles

This is the blog of one of the freaks who runs the stalker site, "avideditorla:"

Will someone please kill Obama? and LGF2 « Avid Editor’s Insights

Stupid, evil, and petulent. We got the whole trifecta, folks.

190 Shug  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:28:23am

re: #99 Honorary Yooper

Either very fucked up, or simply be in full disagreement with them. They love the echo chamber.

an echo chamber of farts

191 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:28:47am

re: #182 Honorary Yooper

Yep. They also link to him, Gates of Vienna, a few blogs made by Deucers, Gordon's warped site, the "Liberties Alliance" (aka Center for Vigilant Freedom), Fjordman, and GCP (the old version and the new one - same shit, different name).

You didn't mention the Brussels Journal?

192 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #190 Shug

an echo chamber of farts

Smell echoes?

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:16am

re: #185 VioletTiger

Are you posting from a phone? How do you do that? I can't post from my Blackberry.

I'm on my laptop. Tooo coool!

194 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #176 Charles

Sure, that's a given. But what are people to think when they first come to his blog? 'Oh, he links to... LGF2? I wonder what LGF is, and why he links to this knock-off.'

To me, weird.

195 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:47am

re: #190 Shug

an echo chamber of farts

The dreaded "tail" follows.

196 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #178 theheat

FWIW - that "Regards, Brian" guy from yesterday, the guy that couldn't help but keep tagging those gd smileys to his posts, he galloped over the stalker site yesterday to tell his buddies all about it, like the kid that gets his ass beat at the playground, so he sucks up to the thugs to feel like he belongs.

I knew anyone that relied on smileys that much was counterfeit as hell.

I was thinking on taking bets on how quickly he'd go to the stalker site. (Someone down dinged me for suggesting he would, but enough up-dinged me to make up for it.) I would have guessed under an hour. Would I have won?

197 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #127 iceweasel

From Beirut to Jerusalem wasn't just good. It was spot on. He nailed the interactions in both Lebanon and Israel, and the disconnect. He also spent considerable time discussing the Hama rules, which are just as relevant today as they were when he wrote it.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:26am

re: #187 reloadingisnotahobby

If I hang out of a car...one side ain't touching the ground!

199 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:37am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You do realize what that may look like to passing motorists!!
...Staring at your lap ...fingers typing away??

200 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:44am

OT: John Stossel is leaving ABC and going to Fox

201 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:31:00am

re: #188 Charles

I'm sure you knew he was baiting you at the time. I only suspected as much.

Never trust those freakin' smileys. Never.

202 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #128 Salamantis

Their idea of anger management is managing to collectively focus it on a specific person.

Their idea of anger management appears to be "getting angry at the management".

203 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:32:06am

re: #161 Charles

Yes, the level of obsession is amazing. Some of those people have literally dedicated their lives to spreading lies and smears about me on every website that will let them post a comment.

A lot of the members are also in tight with the GoV/910 nexus that Spencer and Atlas hang with behind closed doors. I am not surprised in the least about IF, he and I have butted heads on a few occasions when he got too extreme here. He was always edging the line and seeing how far he could go over without getting deleted or the stick. He was very good at saying all of the popular things as well, which is why he has some fans.

204 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #200 Pianobuff

OT: John Stossel is leaving ABC and going to Fox

Amazing he lasted as long as he did at ABC. He's a libertarian at heart, and I guess his time at 20/20 had passed. If Fox were smart, they'd look at him as a good replacement for some of their more shrill voices (Beck comes to mind, even though he's reeling 'em in with the ratings). The guy makes a lot of sense, and doesn't need to rant and rave to make his point.

205 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #196 Kosh's Shadow

I've only gone there something like three times, including last night. I honestly can't get through all the comments because it bugs me so much. But his stood out, so I at least gleaned that much from the visit.

206 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #191 Salamantis

You didn't mention the Brussels Journal?

Oddly enough, it's one of the few I can't find a link for on their front page. They do, however, link to sheik yer mami.

207 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #15 Chekote

Does the Secret Service investigate this kind of stuff? Can they?

They're required to investigate all direct threats against the President.

These may arguably not be considered "direct," but I notified them anyway. Their call. If nothing else, it creates a record.

208 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #197 lawhawk

From Beirut to Jerusalem wasn't just good. It was spot on. He nailed the interactions in both Lebanon and Israel, and the disconnect. He also spent considerable time discussing the Hama rules, which are just as relevant today as they were when he wrote it.

That's what I've heard from a number of people I respect, including some Israeli friends of mine.

209 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:33:47am

People who join that stalker blog have succumbed to the twistedly seductive allures of the dark seamy underbellies of their tortured psyches.

210 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:34am

re: #200 Pianobuff

OT: John Stossel is leaving ABC and going to Fox

Oh, golly, I hope it doesn't ruin him.

211 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:36am

re: #204 lawhawk

Amazing he lasted as long as he did at ABC.

I'm reading one of his books, and I was amazed that it was written by someone at 20/20. Obviously he couldn't stay there forever...

212 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:48am

re: #205 theheat

Whoa - I should probably add - I've gone there to look what all the fuss was about, not post.

213 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #201 theheat

It didn't take me long to see that yesterday... It was a flounce for all intents and purposes as others in the thread noted.

214 koedo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:17am

Man , talk about being WAY over the line.

Charles, is there any legal avenues available to you in this situation? That's beyond a passionate debate. These are threats and threats are no small matter. When the blog starts producing the promises or insinuations of violence, that can't go unanswered.

I'm really very sorry to hear you have to deal with these types of people. Please take care.

215 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:21am

Speaking of hate-filled stalker sites,
At the UN's new site, a worldwide web of anti-Israel bias

The UN has just rolled out a new overhauled website. Presumably, the
idea was to make it clearer what the UN does and to make it easier to
access the goings-on. Insofar as UN demonization of Israel and UN-driven
antisemitism are central pillars of its activities, the new site does an
admirable job. In only five easy steps, the user is presented with ten
categories for all meeting summaries and press releases of the entire
General Assembly since they went online in 1995. One such category is
"Palestinian Rights." All the other choices list nothing but generalities.
216 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #201 theheat

I'm sure you

Never trust those freakin' smileys. Never.

Yeah :-)

oh... wait...

:-p

217 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #183 iceweasel

Agreed. I don't know and I don't want to know. They shouldn't get any traffic. Not looking.

I only looked because Charles provided a google link. I think it's pretty sick and twisted for some people over there to state how much it is they miss people over here while they're spending time with people who hate everything about this blog.

What is truly warped is they will rip on anyone, and then the moment that person shows up over there- it's all "welcome" and hearty handshakes. There is nothing more disingenuous and two faced than that. They don't care about there new members as people- they only care about having a new finger to flash to Charles and LGF. For example- they have commented on Dark Falcon- ripped on him for supporting Charles and LGF, and the next day will post how they hope he'll come over to them. Sick. Insane. Completely disingenuous.

The worst aspect is how this harms our community in that the person you see as a friend today will be ripping on you at the stalker site tomorrow.

218 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:06am

*waves from France atm...*

I miss reading daily updates - been traveling and stuff so it's been hard to catch up. Keep up the awesome work Charles.

When I first came to LGF like years ago, wasn't Iron Fist that biker guy or something who really used to mouth off a lot?

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:12am

re: #211 JamesTKirk

Wow. You can read?

220 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #209 Salamantis

People who join that stalker blog have succumbed to the twistedly seductive allures of the dark seamy underbellies of their tortured psyches.

Sala - LOL! - you just really can't help writing that way, can you?

221 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:43am

I was invited to join the 910 group when it first formed, and I did.

It didn't take me long to grok what it was all about and unsubscribe.

Basically it was a Christian anti-Muslim jihadi site.

222 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:45am

re: #185 VioletTiger

3G =)

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:57am

So I did, with no insult meant to our host, decide to look over there.

It is a bizarre mirror world of here.

They have people who post stuff like at the top of this thread.

There are angry truthers...

There are angry UFO truthers...

There are angry creationists

There are angry people who just want to kill Muslims (all of them).

There is an endless angry fascination with this site. They stole the graphic that Charles uses for his flying pig and have overnight open threads and even post music. But it really is a looking glass LGF. Beware the Red Queen, not fun in a good way, looking glass.

To go with this sick fascination there is the worst sort of invective brought against people who are here. I mean just simply mean childish stuff. They comment that one person here is on welfare for instance, or speculate on another's sexual activities and always with the most vulgar names they think are clever. They are just creepy. Very creepy.

At first, I was entertained that his inverted world was so very bizarre. I admit the same morbid fascination I get when I look at $cientology literature. But I noticed how actually mean they are, and how very closely they follow stuff here. It ceased to be funny and rather turned to just creepy and pathetic. Crazies banned for spewing crazy bile here go there. It is a certain filtering and condensing process of the crazy - and they can't seem to forget here in there new home.

G-d. Bottom line... Charles you did right booting those losers - each and every one.

224 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:21am

re: #208 iceweasel

Well, if you're looking for a reading list on the Middle East, that's a good place to start on background. Even though it's been out for nearly 20 years (yeah, it's been that long), it's still solid on the basic interactions in those two countries. With events in Lebanon what they are, probably moreso.

Also, anything by Bernard Lewis is highly recommended. Michael Oren's history of the 6 day war is also highly recommended along with Quandt's Peace Process and Spiegel's The Other Arab Israeli Conflict (discussing the US role and how both sides tried to play to the US).

225 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:31am

re: #220 reine.de.tout

Sala - LOL! - you just really can't help writing that way, can you?

Sal rocks. =)

226 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:37am

re: #217 Sharmuta

People show who they are over time. Sometime it's disappointing.

227 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:40am

re: #217 Sharmuta

I only looked because Charles provided a google link. I think it's pretty sick and twisted for some people over there to state how much it is they miss people over here while they're spending time with people who hate everything about this blog.

What is truly warped is they will rip on anyone, and then the moment that person shows up over there- it's all "welcome" and hearty handshakes. There is nothing more disingenuous and two faced than that. They don't care about there new members as people- they only care about having a new finger to flash to Charles and LGF. For example- they have commented on Dark Falcon- ripped on him for supporting Charles and LGF, and the next day will post how they hope he'll come over to them. Sick. Insane. Completely disingenuous.

The worst aspect is how this harms our community in that the person you see as a friend today will be ripping on you at the stalker site tomorrow.

Come to the dark side, Skywalker...
He must join us or die! /Emperor Palpatine

228 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:49am

re: #218 Summer

He was also into guns and b**bs...ah and BEER!

229 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:58am

re: #200 Pianobuff

OT: John Stossel is leaving ABC and going to Fox

Interesting news. I was channel surfing awhile back and happened to see Stossel, so I stopped. Turned out to be Glenn Beck's show. Can't remember the other guest, but at one point Beck posed a question. The other guy said some things, and Beck turned to Stossel for his input.

And Stossel said something like, "I really don't know anything about that."

Gotta love a guy who's willing to stand up and say that on a national television show!

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:02am

re: #218 Summer

Hi, {Summer}! Always good to see you. :)

231 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:03am

re: #217 Sharmuta

I only looked because Charles provided a google link. I think it's pretty sick and twisted for some people over there to state how much it is they miss people over here while they're spending time with people who hate everything about this blog.

What is truly warped is they will rip on anyone, and then the moment that person shows up over there- it's all "welcome" and hearty handshakes. There is nothing more disingenuous and two faced than that. They don't care about there new members as people- they only care about having a new finger to flash to Charles and LGF. For example- they have commented on Dark Falcon- ripped on him for supporting Charles and LGF, and the next day will post how they hope he'll come over to them. Sick. Insane. Completely disingenuous.

The worst aspect is how this harms our community in that the person you see as a friend today will be ripping on you at the stalker site tomorrow.

Who does this?

232 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:22am

re: #220 reine.de.tout

Sala - LOL! - you just really can't help writing that way, can you?

Dark seamy underbelly - I believe that's smoked bacon. I can see the allure.

/

233 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:35am

re: #228 reloadingisnotahobby

He was also into guns and b**bs...ah and BEER!

Hey, I like those things too...but you won't see me making violent threats here.

234 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. You can read?

Why do you think Bones gave me those glasses for my birthday?

I have a very wide and multi-cultural bookshelf in my quarters. The Kama Sutra, the Klingon Kama Sutra, the Orion Kama Sutra, the Romulan Kama Sutra, etc.

235 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:51am

re: #209 Salamantis

People who join that stalker blog have succumbed to the twistedly seductive allures of the dark seamy underbellies of their tortured psyches.


It was a dark and stormy night...

236 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:52am

re: #185 VioletTiger

Are you posting from a phone? How do you do that? I can't post from my Blackberry.

It can be done but it isn't easy. You have to sign in at the end of comments and refreshing takes forever. I really have to be in a topic deep before I bother posting from the Crackberry.

237 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:53am

"Daria Emmons," who was posting sneaky defenses of Robert Spencer yesterday, is hanging out today at another stalker site I won't link to, and is now banned.

As is "Snowy Owl," another username who has been lurking at LGF and now hangs out with the stalkers. "Snowy Owl" recently registered a sock puppet in the name of "BobK," and that one is banned too.

238 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #221 Salamantis

A lot of "non mainstream" Catholics there.

239 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #234 JamesTKirk

Yes, but did you read the Kama Sutra in the original Klingonese? Or just looked at the pictures? ///

240 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:29am

re: #233 mikalm

Hey, I like those things too...but you won't see me making violent threats here.

And if you do, why, I'll come over there and ...

/

241 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:32am

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

So I did, with no insult meant to our host, decide to look over there.

It is a bizarre mirror world of here.

They have people who post stuff like at the top of this thread.

There are angry truthers...

There are angry UFO truthers...

There are angry creationists

There are angry people who just want to kill Muslims (all of them).

There is an endless angry fascination with this site. They stole the graphic that Charles uses for his flying pig and have overnight open threads and even post music. But it really is a looking glass LGF. Beware the Red Queen, not fun in a good way, looking glass.

To go with this sick fascination there is the worst sort of invective brought against people who are here. I mean just simply mean childish stuff. They comment that one person here is on welfare for instance, or speculate on another's sexual activities and always with the most vulgar names they think are clever. They are just creepy. Very creepy.

At first, I was entertained that his inverted world was so very bizarre. I admit the same morbid fascination I get when I look at $cientology literature. But I noticed how actually mean they are, and how very closely they follow stuff here. It ceased to be funny and rather turned to just creepy and pathetic. Crazies banned for spewing crazy bile here go there. It is a certain filtering and condensing process of the crazy - and they can't seem to forget here in there new home.

G-d. Bottom line... Charles you did right booting those losers - each and every one.

do a word count in what you just wrote. What word pops up over and over?
angry
angry angry angry angry angry angry angry
that's who they are.

242 JHW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:46am

What really, among other things, get me about these types is how they loudly proclaim their religion at every opportunity but their writings are so far disconnected from any true spirit of any religious ideal.

243 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:00am

re: #221 Salamantis

I was invited to join the 910 group when it first formed, and I did.

It didn't take me long to grok what it was all about and unsubscribe.

Basically it was a Christian anti-Muslim jihadi site.

Don;t let word get around! Next thing you know you'll be getting recruiting calls from Anti Christian Muslim jihadi groups !!

(the enemy of my enemy ,,,)

// sort a

244 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:03am

re: #218 Summer

Have you always posted from France?
I need to pay attention more!!

245 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:24am

re: #230 Sharmuta

Hi, {Summer}! Always good to see you. :)

Hehe omg! I was in the airport a couple of days ago and listening to my ipod and hollaback girl came on and i thought of you! =) totally. miss you and hope you been ok. =)

246 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #228 reloadingisnotahobby

He was also into guns and b**bs...ah and BEER!

QUIT DEFENDING HIM!

/

247 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:33am

re: #150 Charles

Robert Spencer links to that stalker site, by the way.

Just a measure of Spencer's hatred - and his intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

248 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:40:45am

re: #235 VioletTiger

It was a dark and stormy night...

The first line of a novel about a university serial killer:

"It was a stark and dormy night..."

249 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:41:11am

Yosi Sergant, Obama Aide, Asked To Resign: Glenn Beck Strikes Again

Beck attacked Sergant and the NEA on his Fox News talk show, accusing the agency of propaganda efforts similar to those used by Nazi Germany. And now Sergant has been tossed overboard, making him Beck's second victim in his campaign to rid the administration of perceived radicals, socialists, communists, fascists, anarchists and all other manner of nefarious influences.

Perhaps not coincidentally, both Sergant and Van Jones - Beck's first takedown - have roots in on-the-ground organizing and were tightly connected with the grassroots progressive community.

The NEA wouldn't comment on Sergant's situation specifically, saying that it was a confidential personnel matter.

250 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:41:12am

re: #231 MandyManners

Mandy, the other day I briefly checked out The Deuce, and someone was accusing you of being a Communist plant who'd turned LGF over to "the Left". His basis was the fact that you'd been in the CPUSA in college.

I wonder if anyone there will peg me as part of the Lefty conspiracy here, since I was an Anarchist in college 25+ years ago...

251 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #244 reloadingisnotahobby

Have you always posted from France?
I need to pay attention more!!

Nooo...I'm just traveling right now for a few weeks. All over Europe.

252 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #142 subsailor68

I think I know how to get instantly banned, deleted, and tossed out of that site in a nanosecond. I'd just post:

"Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs' folks have raised the level of civilized discourse and disagreement, have set the standard for fact-checking information, and have consistently demanded that people back up their statements with legitimate information and solid links. How about trying that here?"

(The sound you'd hear after that would be heads exploding like popcorn in a 1930's movie theater's refreshment stand.)

They brag that they do not ban people... That all reasonable comments are welcome... You should try it... Someone should try it.

It is hardly a troll thing to say.

253 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:07am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Yosi Sergant, Obama Aide, Asked To Resign: Glenn Beck Strikes Again

Beck really is becoming the modern day Joseph McCarthy.

254 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:15am

re: #224 lawhawk

Well, if you're looking for a reading list on the Middle East, that's a good place to start on background. Even though it's been out for nearly 20 years (yeah, it's been that long), it's still solid on the basic interactions in those two countries. With events in Lebanon what they are, probably moreso.

Also, anything by Bernard Lewis is highly recommended. Michael Oren's history of the 6 day war is also highly recommended along with Quandt's Peace Process and Spiegel's The Other Arab Israeli Conflict (discussing the US role and how both sides tried to play to the US).

Thanks, lawhawk. I have wanted to do more reading on the subject, but recent events have made me leery of who to trust. I trust any book on the subject with your recommendation, though. Thanks again.

255 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:20am

Charles,

You might want to check this user out:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I sent you more info via email.

256 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #242 JHW

What really, among other things, get me about these types is how they loudly proclaim their religion at every opportunity but their writings are so far disconnected from any true spirit of any religious ideal.


"Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" - Isaiah 29:13

257 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #246 OldLineTexan

Your scary when you yell!!
LOL

258 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:30am

re: #238 Thanos

A lot of "non mainstream" Catholics there.

Yeah...a lotta Mel Gibson Catholics, pretending they're all Bravehearted Patriots.

259 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #231 MandyManners

Who does this?

Goddess said that.

260 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:52am

re: #228 reloadingisnotahobby

He was also into guns and b**bs...ah and BEER!

...I hope that doesn't get a guy banned here...//

261 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:43:09am

re: #251 Summer

NICE!!
I hate you now!
LOL
Have an awesome time~!

262 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:43:10am

re: #236 DaddyG

It can be done but it isn't easy. You have to sign in at the end of comments and refreshing takes forever. I really have to be in a topic deep before I bother posting from the Crackberry.

Once the comments get beyond 200 or so, I can't download them. Takes too long.

263 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:43:15am

re: #257 reloadingisnotahobby

Your scary when you yell!!
LOL

sorry

264 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:43:53am

re: #237 Charles

BTW ,,, Either this past Saturday or Sunday we here at LGF were discussing the stalker (#2) site. Due to the nature of our discussions I went and looked. One post by Rodan purported to have a cut and paste from one of our "private" threads.

I went back to the thread in question from a day or two prior, and sure enough that post was there!
Don't know if Rodan has another sock, or if someone has dual "citizenship", or if as he claimed "private " really don't mean "private

Sorry, but I didn;t think to write down all the dertails (times/ dates/ post #'s)

Just thought I'd let you know you may not be 100% secure

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:44:11am

re: #242 JHW

What really, among other things, get me about these types is how they loudly proclaim their religion at every opportunity but their writings are so far disconnected from any true spirit of any religious ideal.

Absolutely.

266 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:44:24am

re: #253 Charles

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the New World Order?"

267 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:44:58am

re: #250 mikalm

Sssh...so am I, I campaigned door to door to get people to vote for Carter in 1976...I've been undercover ever since...bwuhahahaha!

268 sagehen  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #127 iceweasel


Thoman Friedman really deserves nothing but mockery at this point. I gather he used to be good, and I've heard his book "from beirut to jerusalem" was good, and I used to like him years ago- no more.

Also, in homage to his multiple Iraq columns insisting that "the next six months will be critical...", "the next six months will demonstrate...", "the next six months will determine whether..." -- six months is now known as A Friedman Unit.

269 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the New World Order?"


...and have you ever played backup for a new age musician?

270 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:27am

BTW, this is interesting, from their Open Thread last night. Apparently Robert Spencer has gotten an account at the Deuce as well. It's near the end of the thread, #245. Of course, Robert has to lie as usual. Can Robert even tell the truth from a lie anymore?

245. Robert Spencer on 10 September, 2009 at 7:34 am
Re #240 Zimriel:

“Even after all of that, I was going to keep defending Charles…”

I myself was late to the party. The first year that Johnson embarked on his smear campaign against the European anti-jihadists and those he associated with them (rightly and wrongly) in America, I tried to stay out of it.

Bullshit. You were too chickenshit let your real feeling be known even though most of us could see right through you.

But there is a lateness to the party that manifests a moral myopia that is extremely severe. After what Johnson did (and does) to Pamela Geller, his jihad against Glenn Beck, his lies about Ann Coulter, and on and on and on, for someone to say “even after all of that, I was going to keep defending Charles” is like the defiant fascist salute Ezra Pound gave when he returned to Italy in 1958.

Again, more bullshit. Geller is one of nuttiest fruitcakes in the blogosphere. Beck is bona-fide nuts. It's obvious anytime he's on the air. Coulter has been an agent provocateur and goes out of her way to be a twit. Charles has documented and backed up his accusations with solid information and facts. Something you have failed to do time and time again, Robert. And it is ironic that someone associated with fascists would compare Charles to a fascist.

In other words, by that time it was easy to be on the right side, and those who were still on the wrong side were suffering from profound disabilities of judgment and moral sense.

So, Robert, are you suffering enough yet from being on the wrong side? Allying with fascists is the wrong side, dipstick.

271 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:28am

re: #245 Summer

Hehe omg! I was in the airport a couple of days ago and listening to my ipod and hollaback girl came on and i thought of you! =) totally. miss you and hope you been ok. =)

LOL! I think of you too, and miss you. I've been alright, and can't wait until you have time to join us a bit more.

272 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:50am

I'm really grateful for LGF, a place where the Lizards largely police themselves and intellectual honesty is expected of the posters. Thanks Charles, for having high standards and the willingness to monitor and enforce those standards.

273 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:14am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the New World Order? a czar for a shadow gov't"


works either way/

274 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:16am

re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote

They brag that they do not ban people... That all reasonable comments are welcome... You should try it... Someone should try it.

It is hardly a troll thing to say.

Hi Ludwig! Hope you're doing great today!

I went on the record awhile back (during a time when it appeared people over there were posting using lizard's nic's) that I only post at LGF - no other blog site. I did that to assure everyone here that if they saw my nic anywhere else, it would be an fake. So, think I'll take a pass on going over there.

275 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:30am

re: #250 mikalm

Mandy, the other day I briefly checked out The Deuce, and someone was accusing you of being a Communist plant who'd turned LGF over to "the Left". His basis was the fact that you'd been in the CPUSA in college.

I wonder if anyone there will peg me as part of the Lefty conspiracy here, since I was an Anarchist in college 25+ years ago...

Oh, my stars and bars! Now, that made my day.

Leftist plant, indeed.

276 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:58am

Is this the only kind of life these idiots can conceive of?

Pathetic (to say the very least)

277 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #275 MandyManners

Oh, my stars and bars! Now, that made my day.

Leftist plant, indeed.

That's one of the nicer things they say about you.

278 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #253 Charles

Beck really is becoming the modern day Joseph McCarthy.

Sadly, he isn't subject to Senatorial censure. But a similar display of disgust - spearheaded by Republicans - might have a similar effect.

This isn't at all surprising. It's becoming painfully obvious that the Birchers are resurgent, and that Beck is their water carrier.

279 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #259 Sharmuta

Goddess said that.

She was the one I was thinking of.

280 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:14am

re: #191 Salamantis

You didn't mention the Brussels Journal?

re: #206 Honorary Yooper

Oddly enough, it's one of the few I can't find a link for on their front page. They do, however, link to sheik yer mami.

Great; now I've given them an idea...:~(

281 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:20am

I was a lefty, turned Red, turned whacked-out Righty, turned advocate of Traditionalist Aristocracy, turned weary Straussian. Then ,I graduated with my degree in philosophy and went to look for work.

282 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:47:48am

re: #270 Honorary Yooper

BTW, this is interesting, from their Open Thread last night. Apparently Robert Spencer has gotten an account at the Deuce as well. It's near the end of the thread, #245. Of course, Robert has to lie as usual. Can Robert even tell the truth from a lie anymore?

So, Robert, are you suffering enough yet from being on the wrong side? Allying with fascists is the wrong side, dipstick.

Not surprised to see Spencer there -- he thrives on hatred.

283 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #175 Salamantis

You have given their rudderless little lives purpose and meaning!

I think you are spot on with that.

284 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:32am

re: #277 reine.de.tout

That's one of the nicer things they say about you.

I don't wanna' know.

285 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:49:05am

re: #224 lawhawk

Well, if you're looking for a reading list on the Middle East, that's a good place to start on background. Even though it's been out for nearly 20 years (yeah, it's been that long), it's still solid on the basic interactions in those two countries. With events in Lebanon what they are, probably moreso.

Also, anything by Bernard Lewis is highly recommended. Michael Oren's history of the 6 day war is also highly recommended along with Quandt's Peace Process and Spiegel's The Other Arab Israeli Conflict (discussing the US role and how both sides tried to play to the US).



Yes, I was basically too young for the Friedman when it came out, and it's something that's always been in the back of my mind to read. I appreciate the other suggestions; favourited. I'd also heard the same about Bernard Lewis, but I didn't know about the others.

I really should do a ME reading list at some point, had I world enough and time. Some day. At the moment the books I'm interested in are about fascism and white nationalism/supremicism:
Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism
Ziegler's Blood and Politics
Neiwert's the Eliminationists, How Hate Talk Radicalised the American Right

Can't recommend Dave Neiwert highly enough, btw. He's been tracking the rise of eliminativist talk on the mainstream right for years, and is an excellent resource for anyone worried about recent events like the town halls, the tree of liberty comments, the return of extremist militias, the talk of revolution spun by people like Malkin and Beck. Anyone worried about these issues should check out Neiwert's extensive documentation about how this is not new, it's the outgrowth of years of mainstreaming hateful rhetoric.

Here is his excellent series on Michelle Malkin. It's in several parts and is a review of her book from 2005.

286 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:49:41am

re: #254 Sharmuta

Thanks, lawhawk. I have wanted to do more reading on the subject, but recent events have made me leery of who to trust. I trust any book on the subject with your recommendation, though. Thanks again.

Well, I relied heavily on Quandt and Spiegel in writing my master's thesis, and oren added new insight into the events surrounding the 6 day war that weren't available when the other books were published.

Lewis is the dean of study on Islam, and should be required reading for anyone looking at the region and its politics. I would suggest that Esposito and Edward Said be read, both because they are on the other side of the political spectrum, and because it's good to understand how they came to their arguments when confronted with them.

287 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:51:54am

OT

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

NYC's Tavern on the Green files for Chapter 11

Someone rescind the UN diplomatic Credit Cards?

288 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:51:57am

Time for the O'Jays again

Youtube Video
289 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:52:09am

re: #285 iceweasel

Here is his excellent series on Michelle Malkin. It's in several parts and is a review of her book from 2005.

OUCH. (But it really is delightful.)

290 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:52:38am

re: #285 iceweasel

Unfortunately Neiwert often goes way over the line, and accuses people like me of being racists and white supremacists (yes, specifically me -- he's posted several attacks on LGF) with no evidence whatsoever. He seems to think that anyone who criticizes radical Islam is automatically a bigot.

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292 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:53:25am

re: #285 iceweasel

Yes, I was basically too young for the Friedman when it came out, and it's something that's always been in the back of my mind to read. I appreciate the other suggestions; favourited. I'd also heard the same about Bernard Lewis, but I didn't know about the others.

I really should do a ME reading list at some point, had I world enough and time. Some day. At the moment the books I'm interested in are about fascism and white nationalism/supremicism:
Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism
Ziegler's Blood and Politics
Neiwert's the Eliminationists, How Hate Talk Radicalised the American Right

Can't recommend Dave Neiwert highly enough, btw. He's been tracking the rise of eliminativist talk on the mainstream right for years, and is an excellent resource for anyone worried about recent events like the town halls, the tree of liberty comments, the return of extremist militias, the talk of revolution spun by people like Malkin and Beck. Anyone worried about these issues should check out Neiwert's extensive documentation about how this is not new, it's the outgrowth of years of mainstreaming hateful rhetoric.

Here is his excellent series on Michelle Malkin. It's in several parts and is a review of her book from 2005.

When you've finished exploring those fever swamps of the right, you would do well to undertake a similar expedition into the hinterlands of the left, for a sense of scale and perspective. Political radicalism is present at both ends of the spectrum, sad to say, but whereas former members of, say, The Minutemen, lapse into relative obscurity after (and because of) their crimes, I note that quite a few Weathermen hold positions of some status and influence, precisely because they were terrorists.

293 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #255 Lee Coller

Charles,

You might want to check this user out:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I sent you more info via email.

Blocked.

294 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:53:53am

re: #268 sagehen

Also, in homage to his multiple Iraq columns insisting that "the next six months will be critical...", "the next six months will demonstrate...", "the next six months will determine whether..." -- six months is now known as A Friedman Unit.

Yes, in the progosphere we sarcastically have created a measurement of time called "The friedman unit" which means, t plus 6 months. -- i.e., define time t as now, and the friedman unit is a forever moving point meaning "six months from now, always".

HuffPo named it best new phrase of 2006, heh.

Friedman(unit)

295 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #277 reine.de.tout

That's one of the nicer things they say about you.

I reckon they've forgotten I also was a member of Radical Women and Freedom Socialist Party.

BOOGA!

296 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:54:15am

I'm no fan of Obama, but that kind of garbage HAS to stop.

I don't like the results of the election, but we're at least supposed to be a nation under the rule of law. We can oppose his ideas and fight for our own ideas & beliefs, but this MUST happen legally. If we start acting like the nutcases who've read 'Rules for Radicals', we're no better than they are. We should be better than that.

297 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:54:31am

re: #289 theheat

OUCH. (But it really is delightful.)

You ain't kidding. That was a nasty, well-written review.

298 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:54:31am

re: #231 MandyManners

Who does this?

One of them, did not post any of you personal information, but he claimed to know where you lived. I think you are safe though. You get far less hate posts than Sharm or Iceweasel.

299 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #295 MandyManners

I reckon they've forgotten I also was a member of Radical Women and Freedom Socialist Party.

BOOGA!

Were you requeired to burn any article of clothing ,,, like ,, say ,, ohh ,,,

duckin!!!//

300 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote

One of them, did not post any of you personal information, but he claimed to know where you lived. I think you are safe though. You get far less hate posts than Sharm or Iceweasel.

I just don't get it.

301 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:55:39am

re: #295 MandyManners

I reckon they've forgotten I also was a member of Radical Women and Freedom Socialist Party.

In bed.

302 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:56:01am

I think if you are banned from Redstate or another blog, you can diffuse your anger a little at some general admins or something, but LGF is Charles. They thought they had a big brother who would listen to their crap and they are very put out that he won't come out to play with them anymore.

303 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:56:24am

re: #299 sattv4u2

Were you requeired to burn any article of clothing ,,, like ,, say ,, ohh ,,,

duckin!!!//

I've yet to read an authenticated account from any woman who actually burned her bra.

304 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #293 Charles

Check the bottom of his blogroll btw.

305 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:00am

re: #301 JamesTKirk

In bed.

Not bloody likely. Some of those women were more masculine than the dickhead I married.

306 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:14am

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote
I didn't appreciate them publishing my name..Attacking my website and calling me names..Then they cry bloody murder when they get pushed back on.. Sick Fucks!
I could handle the charity pimp and embezeller comments but they went over the line when they called me the Phil Donahue of the Internet..
That's a bridge too far../ :)

307 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #303 MandyManners

I've yet to read an authenticated account from any woman who actually burned her bra.

[Link: video.google.com...]

308 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:50am

re: #296 right_wing2

I'm no fan of Obama, but that kind of garbage HAS to stop.

I don't like the results of the election, but we're at least supposed to be a nation under the rule of law. We can oppose his ideas and fight for our own ideas & beliefs, but this MUST happen legally. If we start acting like the nutcases who've read 'Rules for Radicals', we're no better than they are. We should be better than that.

We have to stop acting like the President.
///

309 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:57am

I think the suggestion at the link of pissing in a Muslim foot bath a bit over the top also.

310 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:58:15am

re: #292 Guanxi88

When you've finished exploring those fever swamps of the right, you would do well to undertake a similar expedition into the hinterlands of the left

I'm sick of this shit. When left wing extremism is a problem again, you can bet I'll be all over it. Til then, spare me the fake evenhandedness and wailing of 'the lefties are meeean' too.

There is a serious problem with rightwing extremism now, and it's been the right wing extremists that are typically more prone to violence, at least for the last several decades.

When the weather underground reforms again I'll talk about them. Until then I'll be spending my time in 2009 talking about last weeks SPLC report showing that the rightwing extremist militia activity is at its highest level since the 90's.
Admitting that rightwing extremism is a series problem at this moment doesn't mean ignoring or excusing left wing extremism, btw. It just means recognising that it's the right that's the problem at this moment.

311 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:58:26am

re: #274 subsailor68

Hi Ludwig! Hope you're doing great today!

I went on the record awhile back (during a time when it appeared people over there were posting using lizard's nic's) that I only post at LGF - no other blog site. I did that to assure everyone here that if they saw my nic anywhere else, it would be an fake. So, think I'll take a pass on going over there.

Perfectly fair buddy.

However, given their stated aims to never bounce anyone - no matter how insane, I rather like the idea of someone posting what you wrote.

However, I suppose it really is being a troll. And we should not pull on someone's straight jacket. It's rude.

312 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:58:39am

re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote

They brag that they do not ban people... That all reasonable comments are welcome... You should try it... Someone should try it.

It is hardly a troll thing to say.

That it is, but people who do so usually get harassed first, banned (ask Reggie P), and even get death threats their way.

The Deucers are tolerant, my ass!

313 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #237 Charles

"Daria Emmons," who was posting sneaky defenses of Robert Spencer yesterday, is hanging out today at another stalker site I won't link to, and is now banned.

As is "Snowy Owl," another username who has been lurking at LGF and now hangs out with the stalkers. "Snowy Owl" recently registered a sock puppet in the name of "BobK," and that one is banned too.

Did anyone ever figure out what book she thought she was talking about?

314 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #310 iceweasel


Admitting that rightwing extremism is a series problem at this moment doesn't mean ignoring or excusing left wing extremism, btw. It just means recognising that it's the right that's the problem at this moment.

Serious, obviously. Was losing my temper a bit. PIMF

315 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:38am

re: #308 Walter L. Newton

We have to stop acting like the President.

In this great country, any little boy or girl can grow up to behave better than the President!

316 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #315 Spenser (with an S)

In this great country, any little boy or girl can grow up to behave better than the President!

unless they act stupidly...

317 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #315 Spenser (with an S)

In this great country, any little boy or girl can grow up to behave better than the President!

Or some Congressmen.

318 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:28am

One of the more disgusting, on-going smears of Charles and LGF, imo, is how the haters think everything involves money. Charles is getting paid by Soros, Charles is paying all of us to support LGF, Charles posts this or that thread to get money, etc. etc.

This is also not new- I have heard this reasoning for Charles' behavior for years, and the first person to ever say this to me was a lizard now serving as an administrator to the stalker blog. What a shock. //

It just goes to show these people are unable to comprehend that a person might do something based on principles rather than self-interest. To them- it's a foreign concept.

319 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Savage? Like in Michael, or a different Savage?

320 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #300 MandyManners

I just don't get it.

People who defend Charles = bad.

That's all you have to know.

321 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:01:01am

re: #310 iceweasel

Admitting that rightwing extremism is a series problem at this moment doesn't mean ignoring or excusing left wing extremism, btw. It just means recognising that it's also the right that's the problem at this moment.

Would agree, with that addition.

322 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:01:12am

re: #310 iceweasel

Particularly when the left wing terrorists actually struck and destroyed two radio towers out in Washington.

323 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:01:37am

re: #319 right_wing2

Savage? Like in Michael, or a different Savage?

Snap into a Slim Jim!

324 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:07am

re: #319 right_wing2

I thought it was ex-lizard 'Savage Nation' but it ended up being a banned poster named "Bar"

325 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:23am

re: #323 JamesTKirk

Snap into a Slim Jim!

"Art thou BORED!"
/

326 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:27am

re: #247 Athos

Just a measure of Spencer's hatred - and his intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

So under what Chapter of the Bankruptcy Code must the intellectually and morally compromised file? / 11 U.S.C 666?

327 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #300 MandyManners

I just don't get it.

Well it was actually seeing that post about you, which caused me to go from morbid fascination with them as something icky yet intriguing (like those times you have removed an exceptionally large booger and sort of have to look) to being honestly furious at them and sincerely skeeved out.

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

328 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:03:43am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

Well it was actually seeing that post about you, which caused me to go from morbid fascination with them as something icky yet intriguing (like those times you have removed an exceptionally large booger and sort of have to look) to being honestly furious at them and sincerely skeeved out.

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

Bitter clingers from taking a pummeling from Mandy's clue bats...

329 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:03:55am

re: #290 Charles

Unfortunately Neiwert often goes way over the line, and accuses people like me of being racists and white supremacists (yes, specifically me -- he's posted several attacks on LGF) with no evidence whatsoever. He seems to think that anyone who criticizes radical Islam is automatically a bigot.

Wow i had not seen Neiwert attack you, Charles. I'm disappointed to hear that. I assume it's buried in the archives at Orcinius? If I do a search on LGF I bet I can dig it up. Or was it recent? I haven't read everything he's been posting since he moved to Crooks and Liars.

I'll send him an email about you and this place, btw.

And I do still have to recommend him for his work on Malkin et al.

330 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:00am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

I think I remember the name Savage Nation.

331 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:06am

re: #310 iceweasel

I'm sick of this shit. When left wing extremism is a problem again, you can bet I'll be all over it. Til then, spare me the fake evenhandedness and wailing of 'the lefties are meeean' too.

There is a serious problem with rightwing extremism now, and it's been the right wing extremists that are typically more prone to violence, at least for the last several decades.

When the weather underground reforms again I'll talk about them. Until then I'll be spending my time in 2009 talking about last weeks SPLC report showing that the rightwing extremist militia activity is at its highest level since the 90's.
Admitting that rightwing extremism is a series problem at this moment doesn't mean ignoring or excusing left wing extremism, btw. It just means recognising that it's the right that's the problem at this moment.

"When the weather underground reforms again I'll talk about them."

You think they're gone? No, just new uniforms. They needn't plant dynamite to attain their ends, as they've completed the Gramscian march through the institutions. The fact that unrepentant members of terrorist orgs can serve, in one capacity or another, as ersatz academics, advisors to the President, or in any capacity other than wanted fugitive tells me that the ascendancy of the Left is an accomplished fact.

Tell you what: When rightist militamen become lecturers on history, politics, and race relations at formerly respected universities, when they serve in any capacity that affords them advisory access to the president, then we can talk.

332 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:10am

re: #310 iceweasel

Yup ,,, nothing more benign than cyber attacks! Financial records,,, Department of Defense files,,, just "pranks". Not nearly as harmful as some wingnut with a ',,tree of liberty" sign at a rally!

[Link: www.fas.org...]

(pdf file)

333 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:21am

re: #318 Sharmuta

One of the more disgusting, on-going smears of Charles and LGF, imo, is how the haters think everything involves money. Charles is getting paid by Soros, Charles is paying all of us to support LGF, Charles posts this or that thread to get money, etc. etc.

Here it is the 10th of the month and my check is still not here...WTF?
/

334 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:21am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

That is totally the wrong bodily fluid to be saving for our Mandy.

//duck and cover//

335 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:23am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

Another howler: one of the main posters said that several of the female regulars here are Charles' self-created sock-puppets, since he and us are too pathetic to attract genuine women to the site.

336 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:32am

Besides Bernard Lewis, here are a few works I recommend:

The Age of Sacred Terror: Radical Islam's War Against the West
by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon

(former director and senior director for counterterrorism, NSC).

Terror and Liberalism
by Paul Berman

Occidentalism: The West in the Eyes of Its Enemies
by Ian Buruma and Avishai Margalit

The Future of Political Islam
by Graham E. Fuller

(a former vice-chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA)

Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order
by Robert Kagan

Winning the Long War: Lessons from the Cold War for Defeating Terrorism and Preserving Freedom
by James Jay Carafano and Paul Rosenzweig

Jihad: The Trail of Political Islam
by Giles Kepel

World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
by Norman Podhoretz

Anti-Americanism
by Jean-Francois Revel

The Two Faces of Islam
by Stephen Schwartz

Preachers of Hate:
Islam and the War on America
by Kenneth R. Timmerman

I have amny others, but that's enough to list for now.

337 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #93 Charles

Why are you surprised? Wasn't it obvious what kind of person he was?

Charles, I may be wrong, but I though I saw his name attached to someone else's comment, but I may be having a senior moment.

338 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:05:31am

re: #306 HoosierHoops

I didn't appreciate them publishing my name..Attacking my website and calling me names..Then they cry bloody murder when they get pushed back on.. Sick Fucks!
I could handle the charity pimp and embezeller comments but they went over the line when they called me the Phil Donahue of the Internet..
That's a bridge too far../ :)

F'n A. Well if it makes you feel any better, they don't think I know any science...

339 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

Well it was actually seeing that post about you, which caused me to go from morbid fascination with them as something icky yet intriguing (like those times you have removed an exceptionally large booger and sort of have to look) to being honestly furious at them and sincerely skeeved out.

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

Yep. They have a deep-seated hatred of the female lizards in particular, Sharmuta, Irish Rose, Mandy, Ice, and a few others. They also have a very strange fixation on Killgore Trout.

340 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:05:46am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.

And the worst misogyny tends to come from the women over there directed at women over here. Anyone who doubts me when I discuss female misogyny should look at what these women are doing to their fellow women.

341 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:05:58am

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

Well it was actually seeing that post about you, which caused me to go from morbid fascination with them as something icky yet intriguing (like those times you have removed an exceptionally large booger and sort of have to look) to being honestly furious at them and sincerely skeeved out.

They are astonishingly misogynist over there. They seem to save most of their bile for the female posters here.


probably because most of them couldn't get laid in a female prison with a fistful of pardons.

342 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:10am

re: #281 Guanxi88

I was a lefty, turned Red, turned whacked-out Righty, turned advocate of Traditionalist Aristocracy, turned weary Straussian. Then ,I graduated with my degree in philosophy and went to look for work.

I think I may have been something vaguely resembling a Bakunin-style anarchist. I don't think it lasted long.

343 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:40am

re: #330 right_wing2

I think I remember the name Savage Nation.


He also had a sockpuppet called thecutestguy But he is so wack he just couldn't stay under the couch and act normal..(what kind of guy has a nic of thecutestguy? )
He Gone!

344 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:47am

re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

F'n A. Well if it makes you feel any better, they don't think I know any science...

They called me a Klingon sympathizer and a Denebian slime devil.

(What? I have no idea! I've never been there!)

345 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:04am

Somehow I think that now they've graduated from stalking Charles to making noises about Obama, Rodan and his fellow rodents may find it harder to hide in the shadows. So sei es.

And in case you read this, IF, you're a gasbag and a wuss. Real men don't act like that. As for GOTC: lovely Christian folks you hang with. Jesus is real proud of you, I'm sure.

346 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:22am

re: #322 lawhawk

re: #332 sattv4u2

Nothing to see here ,,, move along ,,,

347 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:30am

re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

F'n A. Well if it makes you feel any better, they don't think I know any science...

Well, I suppose even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

/

348 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:39am

Spencer publishes a letter from someone named Paul Weston praising the English Defense League...

But to make a further point - so what if Robert had met with the EDL?

They claim they are not racist, that they disagree with the BNP, that they have no truck with West Indians but they are (and indeed who isn't) concerned about the rapid Islamisation of Luton.

What then, should they do?

Write articles on blogs? Attend conferences around the world mixing with the erudite and educated defenders of Judeo/Christianity?

Charles Johnson is clearly a tad snobbish. EDL supporters are working class chaps who have suffered greatly from a progressive education in Britain's socialist schools.

Their justifiable anger and resentment cannot be salved by becoming members of the intelligentsia overnight.

They will do what the less well educated always do when confronted with potential aggression, they front up.

Fronting up is probably an alien act to Johnson, as apparently is backing down. In more ways than one I imagine.

349 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:44am

re: #318 Sharmuta

I don't think I got either of my last 2 checks. No wonder things are a little tight.

Must be Bush's fault.

350 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:07:55am

re: #335 mikalm

Another howler: one of the main posters said that several of the female regulars here are Charles' self-created sock-puppets, since he and us are too pathetic to attract genuine women to the site.

Projection from that particular commentor, IMHO. They let fly a lot of accusations that we are merely sock puppets over here.

351 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #345 Cato the Elder

Somehow I think that now they've graduated from stalking Charles to making noises about Obama, Rodan and his fellow rodents may find it harder to hide in the shadows. So sei es.

And in case you read this, IF, you're a gasbag and a wuss. Real men don't act like that. As for GOTC: lovely Christian folks you hang with. Jesus is real proud of you, I'm sure.

CATO! Welcome back!

352 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:08:48am

re: #350 Honorary Yooper

Projection from that particular commentor, IMHO. They let fly a lot of accusations that we are merely sock puppets over here.

I'm the only genuine Charles-created sock-puppet! :-)

353 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:03am

re: #352 mikalm

I'm the only genuine Charles-created sock-puppet! :-)

No, I'm Spartacus.

/

354 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #339 Honorary Yooper

They also have a very strange fixation on Killgore Trout.

And that's spread to now include Gus802.

355 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #347 Bagua

Well, I suppose even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

/

I knew, I just knew that you would say something like that...

NO BAGEL!

356 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:13am

re: #350 Honorary Yooper

Projection from that particular commentor, IMHO. They let fly a lot of accusations that we are merely sock puppets over here.

...so, I'm the only one here?...and everyone else is Charles...freaky...

357 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:28am

re: #343 HoosierHoops

He also had a sockpuppet called thecutestguy But he is so wack he just couldn't stay under the couch and act normal..(what kind of guy has a nic of thecutestguy? )
He Gone!

Probably not a terribly cute one...

358 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:42am

re: #344 JamesTKirk

They called me a Klingon sympathizer and a Denebian slime devil.

(What? I have no idea! I've never been there!)

Did they say the Enterprise should be hauling garbage?
Or hauled away as garbage.

That's when Scotty started the fight with the Klingons.

359 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #353 thedopefishlives

No, I'm Spartacus.

I'm Brian, and so's my wife.

360 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:10:05am

re: #341 _RememberTonyC

probably because most of them couldn't get laid in a female prison with a fistful of pardons.

I am going to use that line. It's just to brilliant.

361 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:10:29am

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew, I just knew that you would say something like that...

NO BAGEL!

Darn, I'm too predictable.

362 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:24am

re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote

I am going to use that line. It's just to brilliant.

Never heard that one? I've always thought it applied to me, actually (although my GF disagrees vehemently!)

363 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #356 Charpete67

...so, I'm the only one here?...and everyone else is Charles...freaky...

No, you have it wrong. You are all figments of my imagination.

364 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:34am

re: #321 Spenser (with an S)

Wingnuts and Moonbats unite! Become WingBats!

365 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:54am

re: #339 Honorary Yooper

Yep. They have a deep-seated hatred of the female lizards in particular, Sharmuta, Irish Rose, Mandy, Ice, and a few others. They also have a very strange fixation on Killgore Trout.

Hi HY! In the time I've been posting here, I've learned a great deal, and had lovely back and forth's with Sharm, Rose, Mandy, Ice, and Dianna. They're really treasures, and if the people over there are trashing these ladies it's childish and ignorant.

366 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:59am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Spencer publishes a letter from someone named Paul Weston praising the English Defense League...

There he goes again.

He screams that I'm a liar for pointing out he's associating with the English Defense League, implicitly admitting that they're a group of bigots and haters -- otherwise, why get so upset when it's pointed out that he associates with them?

And then, in a ridiculous self-refuting foot-shot, he posts a defense of the group. When it's clear to any rational person that this is a bigoted gang of violent thugs.

367 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #364 Dianna

Wingnuts and Moonbats unite! Become WingBats!

Or MoonNuts!

368 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #336 Salamantis

Besides Bernard Lewis, here are a few works I recommend:

The Age of Sacred Terror: Radical Islam's War Against the West
by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon

(former director and senior director for counterterrorism, NSC).

Terror and Liberalism
by Paul Berman

Occidentalism: The West in the Eyes of Its Enemies
by Ian Buruma and Avishai Margalit

The Future of Political Islam
by Graham E. Fuller

(a former vice-chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA)

Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order
by Robert Kagan

Winning the Long War: Lessons from the Cold War for Defeating Terrorism and Preserving Freedom
by James Jay Carafano and Paul Rosenzweig

Jihad: The Trail of Political Islam
by Giles Kepel

World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
by Norman Podhoretz

Anti-Americanism
by Jean-Francois Revel

The Two Faces of Islam
by Stephen Schwartz

Preachers of Hate:
Islam and the War on America
by Kenneth R. Timmerman

I have amny others, but that's enough to list for now.

It would be cool to have a "recommended reading" list somewhere around here.

369 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:09am

Here is a an interesting statement Trajan made at TPWW advocating civil war

I am warning you that there are people armed and ready for the next civil war and we will clean the Leftists-Islamic-Nazi alliance’s clocks.

370 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:18am

BBIAB

I see the deer family that resides at the far end of my property is not near the fence that encloses the "backyard" section of my house. They must be out of the deer corn I scatter for them, coming closer to the house to get the tasty flowers!

371 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:18am
372 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

I thought it was ex-lizard 'Savage Nation' but it ended up being a banned poster named "Bar"

Who was Bar? Does anyone know?

373 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:12:42am

re: #358 Kosh's Shadow

I think it was "But Captain, they called the Enterprise a garbage scow."

374 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #363 BlueCanuck

No, you have it wrong. You are all figments of my imagination.

I can't even get my mind around that...

375 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:13:35am

re: #370 sattv4u2

BBIAB

I see the deer family that resides at the far end of my property is not NOW near the fence that encloses the "backyard" section of my house. They must be out of the deer corn I scatter for them, coming closer to the house to get the tasty flowers!


pimf ,,, pimf ,,, pimf ,,, pimf ,,,

376 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:14:14am

re: #364 Dianna

Wingnuts and Moonbats unite! Become WingBats!

Because the moon doesn't have nuts...

377 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:14:14am

re: #366 Charles

In that post he also confirms that they were interviewed for the film. The only thing that prevented him from having diner with the EDL has the management throwing them out of the restaurant.

378 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #372 Dianna

Who was Bar? Does anyone know?

That's what I'd like to know is WTF was "Bar" at LGF? I'd never heard of him personally until I saw his nic posting from the Deuce and over at Irish Rose's and Defenseman.

379 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:14:39am

I just hope none of the half-dozen people here who know my real name and identity don't Deuce Out and pass it on to that crew. Then again, probably none of them have the cojones to do anything more than type empty threats...

380 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #372 Dianna

He was a lizard from way back. He used to hang out at Gulf Coast Pundit.

381 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:15:20am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

He has a blog- not sure it's cool to link tho. Should I email it to you?

382 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:15:24am

YUCK!
Thank you, Charles, for this blog & all the work that goes into it.
Stay safe.

383 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:15:39am

re: #378 Honorary Yooper

That's what I'd like to know is WTF was "Bar" at LGF? I'd never heard of him personally until I saw his nic posting from the Deuce and over at Irish Rose's and Defenseman.

A sock of theirs?

384 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:15:58am

re: #335 mikalm

Another howler: one of the main posters said that several of the female regulars here are Charles' self-created sock-puppets, since he and us are too pathetic to attract genuine women to the site.

OK, that is flat-out strange.

Not every single male lizard I've met is attractive, but most of you are. And anyone who can talk about esoterica with me and tell me things I didn't know is very attractive, and won't have any trouble attracting a femme.

385 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #316 Charpete67

unless they act stupidly...

Or get all wee-wee'd up.

386 JamesTKirk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:16:03am

re: #376 Salamantis

Because the moon doesn't have nuts...

Never heard of the Man in the Moon?

387 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:16:08am

I'm headed off to tangle with the tentacles of bureaucracy. Have a great day, Lizards!

388 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:16:11am

re: #369 Reginald Perrin

Rick Martinez aka Rodan aka Trajan should know about Nazis. The dude acts like one. There's enough posts by Trajan advocating genocide to fill a stadium.

389 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:00am

re: #379 mikalm

I just hope none of the half-dozen people here who know my real name and identity don't Deuce Out and pass it on to that crew. Then again, probably none of them have the cojones to do anything more than type empty threats...

That type is too scared to ever carry out their fantasies, its mostly adolescent tough talk, D&D type of thing.

390 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:12am

re: #370 sattv4u2

BBIAB

I see the deer family that resides at the far end of my property is not near the fence that encloses the "backyard" section of my house. They must be out of the deer corn I scatter for them, coming closer to the house to get the tasty flowers!

re: #370 sattv4u2

BBIAB

I see the deer family that resides at the far end of my property is not near the fence that encloses the "backyard" section of my house. They must be out of the deer corn I scatter for them, coming closer to the house to get the tasty flowers!

May I recommend a sure fire (no pun intended) remedy? 30-06.

391 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #382 Floral Giraffe

YUCK!
Thank you, Charles, for this blog & all the work that goes into it.
Stay safe.

And if I may add, I have no doubt of the need, requirement, or justification for your bannings. I didn't doubt before, but having looked at that site, I am only surprised that many lasted here as long as they did.

392 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:38am

re: #387 MandyManners

You too, MM!

393 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:39am

I love how they associate riding a bike with being a "pussy." Or maybe Charles has a bike with very unusual spokes.

Some of us cyclists are pretty strong and know how to fight.

394 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:45am

re: #380 Killgore Trout

He was a lizard from way back. He used to hang out at Gulf Coast Pundit.

Thanks. He apparently has a very long-standing hatred of Charles and LGF then.

395 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #384 Dianna

OK, that is flat-out strange.

Not every single male lizard I've met is attractive, but most of you are. And anyone who can talk about esoterica with me and tell me things I didn't know is very attractive, and won't have any trouble attracting a femme.

Darnit Dianna, I asked you to keep our tryst a sectit!

396 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:10am

re: #384 Dianna

(blushing) Thanks!

397 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:19am

re: #345 Cato the Elder

Rodan (the movie monster) wasn't a rodent, was he?

398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:30am

re: #393 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love how they associate riding a bike with being a "pussy." Or maybe Charles has a bike with very unusual spokes.

Some of us cyclists are pretty strong and know how to fight.

Even if you didn't know how to fight, all that bike riding is bound to give you pretty solid leg muscles. You could probably kick the crap out of me, and I've spent some time in self-defense training.

399 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #393 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love how they associate riding a bike with being a "pussy." Or maybe Charles has a bike with very unusual spokes.

Some of us cyclists are pretty strong and know how to fight.

Whatcha do is get a big chain from the hardware store, and then a big padlock. To keep folk from stealing the bike, and not as a weapon.

400 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:52am

re: #378 Honorary Yooper

That's what I'd like to know is WTF was "Bar" at LGF? I'd never heard of him personally until I saw his nic posting from the Deuce and over at Irish Rose's and Defenseman.

That was what I meant.

401 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #384 Dianna

OK, that is flat-out strange.

Not every single male lizard I've met is attractive, but most of you are. And anyone who can talk about esoterica with me and tell me things I didn't know is very attractive, and won't have any trouble attracting a femme.

Been peeking at my avatar pic; ayy?

/

402 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:16am

re: #397 Dianna

Rodan (the movie monster) wasn't a rodent, was he?

No, he was a flying lizard of some kind.

403 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #397 Dianna

Rodan (the movie monster) wasn't a rodent, was he?

Kind of a dragony thing.

404 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:44am

re: #370 sattv4u2

I think I read that you can put fishing line up around trees head-high on a deer. That works best on the males since their antlers get caught. Don't know if something like that would work around flower beds or not.

405 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:55am

re: #376 Salamantis

Because the moon doesn't have nuts...

It hasn't bats, either. Who cares? I just like the way it trips off my tongue!

406 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:08am

re: #402 Honorary Yooper

No, he was a flying lizard of some kind.

in bed

407 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:16am

re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote

Kind of a dragony thing.

As I say, the D & D thing is strong with that crowd.

408 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:22am

I think I remember the "joke" about Charles killing himself the clearest, but that's because suicide is a flashpoint with me. I don't find joking about it funny.*

*Usual reason--family member.

409 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #401 Salamantis

Been peeking at my avatar pic; ayy?

/

Of course!

410 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #397 Dianna

No.

411 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Paul Weston, who Spencer uses to praise the EDL, is a long winded blogger who is also fond of the BNP...
Socialist Propaganda in British Education

As the BNP are promoted as bigoted, racist neo-Nazis by the liberal/left, then what the good professor is intimating here is both racist and slanderous. There are monuments and graveyards everywhere one looks in this once great country, testimony to the hundreds of thousands of young men killed fighting against precisely the ideology that Gus John has now turned around and levelled against us as typifying the entire British race.


To rub salt into the wound it transpired that some organisations calling for all the above have been singled out and praised by Tony Blair and the British police as role models for their inter-faith and multicultural activities. Perhaps this is why our politicised police, so keen to prosecute the BNP’s Nick Griffen for accusing Islam of being wicked, have done NOTHING in the face of Islamic calls for murder and conquest.


The Week Britain Died

412 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:44am

re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote

Kind of a dragony thing.

Rodan (ラドン Radon?) is a fictional monster, introduced in Rodan, a 1956 release from Toho Studios, the company responsible for the Godzilla series. Like Godzilla and Anguirus, it is designed after a type of prehistoric reptile (the Japanese name "Radon" is a contraction of "pteranodon " and may also have been chosen to suggest radiation). Radon is usually referred to as Rodan in the United States, possibly to avoid confusion with the atomic element Radon; also, any time his name is written in English in Japan, it is written as Rodan. He is occasionally portrayed as enemy of Godzilla but has allied himself with the King of Monsters on several instances against more dangerous threats.

413 EaterOfFood  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:00am

re: #200 Pianobuff

OT: John Stossel is leaving ABC and going to Fox

There goes the only reason I had for watching 20/20.

Anything to balance out Glenn Beck on the sanity spectrum. The Mad Hatter from "Alice in Wonderland" could have done so as well.

Stossel is a rational voice arguing for libertarian ideas, while Glenn Beck has delusions of adequacy, comparing himself to Howard Beale from the movie Network (I wonder if he made it to the end to find out his fate).

414 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote

Kind of a dragony thing.

I was going to say an anteater with wings that stood on two legs. I guess that is Dragony

415 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:06am

Charles- I'm going to link this Paul Weston's blog because I think people should see the bigotry of the man spencer is using for a defense. If it's not welcome, I apologize to you and Stinky:

Paul Weston:

As the BNP are promoted as bigoted, racist neo-Nazis by the liberal/left, then what the good professor is intimating here is both racist and slanderous. There are monuments and graveyards everywhere one looks in this once great country, testimony to the hundreds of thousands of young men killed fighting against precisely the ideology that Gus John has now turned around and levelled against us as typifying the entire British race.

Nice defender.

416 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #381 Sharmuta

Just found it. He's a BNP apologist/supporter.

417 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #407 Bagua

As I say, the D & D thing is strong with that crowd.

Alright...hold it right there.

/I love my D & D things...

418 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:34am

re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

F'n A. Well if it makes you feel any better, they don't think I know any science...

I'm part of Charles's "muscle" according to the stalkers. If that were true, he'd be in deep shit since I can't fight my way out of a paper bag. :)

419 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #393 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love how they associate riding a bike with being a "pussy." Or maybe Charles has a bike with very unusual spokes.

Some of us cyclists are pretty strong and know how to fight.

Yes. People who exercise are obviously pussies. / LOL.

420 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #414 Creeping Eruption

I was going to say an anteater with wings that stood on two legs. I guess that is Dragony

No, that's just really cool. I'm gonna use it on my family's coat of arms.

421 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:22:37am

re: #415 Sharmuta

Yup. Spencer's Eurofacsits friends are going to be a problem for him.

422 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:00am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Just found it. He's a BNP apologist/supporter.

Why am I not surprised?

I noticed we picked out the same bit. Jinx! ;)

423 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #414 Creeping Eruption

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

Ok OK fair enough...

I'll fix it...

Kind of a lame Japanese, rubber, b-movie dragony thing...

Is that better now :)

424 brazilofmux  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:05am

I didn't vote for President Obama, and I do not support his agenda, but this simply boggles the mind.

Don't people realize that the untimely death of an elected representative leaves their ghost to wander the national stage forever? With video, their memory is not allowed to fade. And, what is worse, those who remain are able to replay their words and re-cast their positions to suit new ends?

No no. May Obama finish his term safely and leave office in 2010 having been defeated in the next election. Please.

425 theheat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:29am

re: #420 Guanxi88

You might like a griffon better, since the other looks like it came out of a Japanese sci-fi movie (because it did!)

426 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:49am

re: #422 Sharmuta

;)

427 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:23:50am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Yup. Spencer's Eurofacsits friends are going to be a problem for him.

They already have been. And will continue to be. I hope and trust that Charles will make sure of it.

428 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #423 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

Ok OK fair enough...

I'll fix it...

Kind of a lame Japanese, rubber, b-movie dragony thing...

Is that better now :)

Don't forget the string holding up the tail . . .

429 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

He's like a UK fjordy. On and on and on. And on.

And on.

430 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #369 Reginald Perrin

It's a good idea to use quote buttons when you're quoting.

BTW, I adore the series (plural) your nic comes from.

431 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:24:49am

re: #424 brazilofmux

No no. May Obama finish his term safely and leave office in 2010

Don't you mean 2012? (BTW, I agree completely -- I oppose many of the man's policies, but there is no excuse at all for the hateful rhetoric being directed towards our POTUS.)

432 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:14am

Gotta jet guys! TTYL! Stay scaly.

433 brazilofmux  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:15am

re: #431 mikalm

Don't you mean 2012? (BTW, I agree completely -- I oppose many of the man's policies, but there is no excuse at all for the hateful rhetoric being directed towards our POTUS.)

Right. 2012. My mistake.

434 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #388 Honorary Yooper

There's enough posts by Trajan advocating genocide to fill a stadium.

There are are few empty seats in that stadium , Rodan is running scared and recently deleted all the treads at the original Think Progress Watch.

435 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #424 brazilofmux

I didn't vote for President Obama, and I do not support his agenda, but this simply boggles the mind.

Don't people realize that the untimely death of an elected representative leaves their ghost to wander the national stage forever? With video, their memory is not allowed to fade. And, what is worse, those who remain are able to replay their words and re-cast their positions to suit new ends?

No no. May Obama finish his term safely and leave office in 2010 having been defeated in the next election. Please.

Not to mention the fact that it's just wrong every way you look at it to cause or wish for or encourage actions resulting in someone's untimely death.

436 herbc4  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:27:18am

Same old crazies as the last 8 years, just wearing different hats.

437 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:27:40am

re: #425 theheat

You might like a griffon better, since the other looks like it came out of a Japanese sci-fi movie (because it did!)

No, I think I'm gonna stick with the winged, bi-pedal anteater. The Griffon is assocaited with the Welsh, who are just too close to the Irish for my liking. (I'm kidding; nobody blames the Welsh for being too close by the Irish.)///

438 96RoadKing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:28:08am

re: #431 mikalm

Don't you mean 2012? (BTW, I agree completely -- I oppose many of the man's policies, but there is no excuse at all for the hateful rhetoric being directed towards our POTUS.)

Could it be a continuation of the trend generated by the less than gentle rhetoric directed at the current office holder's predecessor? No excuse. Just an observation.

439 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #437 Guanxi88

No, I think I'm gonna stick with the winged, bi-pedal anteater. The Griffon is assocaited with the Welsh, who are just too close to the Irish for my liking. (I'm kidding; nobody blames the Welsh for being too close by the Irish.)///

The spiny anteater is the only egg-laying mammal besides the platypus.

440 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #389 Bagua

That type is too scared to ever carry out their fantasies, its mostly adolescent tough talk, D&D type of thing.

That's what we thought about the evil old man who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

441 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:29:17am

re: #438 96RoadKing

To quote my momma, "Two wrongs don't make a right." I refuse to wallow in the sty of coarsened political discourse, whatever its origins.

442 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #439 Salamantis

The spiny anteater is the only egg-laying mammal besides the platypus.

Excellent, I picture it thus:

Gules upon argent, rampant bipedal, winged spiny anteater.

443 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #440 Dianna

That's what we thought about the evil old man who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

I see your point, but he was a very different type. The stalkers come across as troubled adolescents.

444 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #435 reine.de.tout

I think I could make exceptions for people like Osama bin Ladin, Khadaffy, Mulla Omar...

445 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote

I am going to use that line. It's just to brilliant.

be my guest

446 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:31:36am

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

Rodan (ラドン Radon?) is a fictional monster, introduced in Rodan, a 1956 release from Toho Studios, the company responsible for the Godzilla series. Like Godzilla and Anguirus, it is designed after a type of prehistoric reptile (the Japanese name "Radon" is a contraction of "pteranodon " and may also have been chosen to suggest radiation). Radon is usually referred to as Rodan in the United States, possibly to avoid confusion with the atomic element Radon; also, any time his name is written in English in Japan, it is written as Rodan. He is occasionally portrayed as enemy of Godzilla but has allied himself with the King of Monsters on several instances against more dangerous threats.

Wait a minute-- so basically choosing the name "Rodan" was always a way of deluding himself that he's Charles' equal and some-time rival? Given that the community calls itself 'lizards' and 'Charles is often referred to as the big lizard etc.?

Huh. That's quite...interesting. Sheesh.

447 96RoadKing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:00am

re: #441 mikalm

To quote my momma, "Two wrongs don't make a right." I refuse to wallow in the sty of coarsened political discourse, whatever its origins.

Aw, c'mon! The muds a wonderfully warm consistency today! Considering our history of political discourse (I love reading the opinions of the early 19th century politicians and wordsmiths) we're really pedestrian in our rhetoric today.

448 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #370 sattv4u2

BBIAB

I see the deer family that resides at the far end of my property is not near the fence that encloses the "backyard" section of my house. They must be out of the deer corn I scatter for them, coming closer to the house to get the tasty flowers!

please don't kill Bambi

449 BlackFedora  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:58am

That is some truly sick revolting shit. I loath the campaign that was run by Barack Obama. I think it was the most obnoxious campaign in the history of this country. I cannot stand his sycophantic followers in the media but this is absolutely beyond the pale.

This goes beyond unacceptable. This goes beyond sick. These people are not patriots. As far as I'm concerned these swine (and I hate to slander such a fine animal.) have resigned from the human race.

I'm sick of that liberty tree quote and the yahoos who constantly shove it in our faces like they were freezing their asses off with Washington at Valley Forge instead of simply being beer guzzling retards who probably can't even hold a job at a car wash.

If there is a god I hope all the people who approve of this stuff get smited.. preferably in a soft, dark place.

Uggh... this get's my blood up.

450 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:07am

re: #446 iceweasel

That is partly why I say they release immature minds. Kids fantasise like that.

451 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:17am

re: #407 Bagua

As I say, the D & D thing is strong with that crowd.

Hey! I like D&D! And "Call of Cthulu", come to think of it.

452 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:31am

re: #447 96RoadKing

I suppose so. At least our politicians aren't pummeling each other with walking sticks on the floor of Congress, as was the case in the years leading up to the Civil War.

453 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:36am

re: #444 right_wing2

I think I could make exceptions for people like Osama bin Ladin, Khadaffy, Mulla Omar...

I wasn't talking about a war situation.

454 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:51am

re: #448 _RememberTonyC

please don't kill Bambi

But Bambi is so delicious!

/and Thumper doesn't taste bad, either...

455 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #435 reine.de.tout

Not to mention the fact that it's just wrong every way you look at it to cause or wish for or encourage actions resulting in someone's untimely death.

There you go again, pointing out and sticking to moral principles, no matter what. Isn't that just like you!

{ { { reine} } }

456 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #430 Dianna

I screwed up the HTML tags on that post.
TFRRP is one of my favorite comedy series. I chose the name for a reason, I sort sort of faked my online death last year hunting trolls, so I chose Reggie as a sort of taunt at Rodan.
It went right over his head.

457 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #451 Dianna

Hey! I like D&D! And "Call of Cthulu", come to think of it.

I have a very funny story involving a stuffed Cthulhu toy that I'll tell you sometime soon...

458 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #432 LudwigVanQuixote

Gotta jet guys! TTYL! Stay scaly.

Later, Ludwig! I was going to beg for a bagel, dammit. ;)

459 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:07am

re: #456 Reginald Perrin

I doubt he had to duck...

460 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:13am

O.T. Roomba vacuum update. I've had Rosie (everyone names their robot) for about a month now and run it daily. I think the thing must slip outside when I'm not looking, because she's still finding cat hair and dust bunnies.
I no longer have to dump the the dirt bin in her hour of vacuuming, but she still finding dirt. I love Rosie, as do the cats.

461 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:24am

re: #446 iceweasel

Wait a minute-- so basically choosing the name "Rodan" was always a way of deluding himself that he's Charles' equal and some-time rival? Given that the community calls itself 'lizards' and 'Charles is often referred to as the big lizard etc.?

Huh. That's quite...interesting. Sheesh.

Who the fuck knows or cares. Geeessshhh :)

462 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #457 mikalm

I have a very funny story involving a stuffed Cthulhu toy that I'll tell you sometime soon...

I'm just waiting for some twisted sexual aid manufacturer to come out with a Cthulhu RealDoll...;~)

/you know it'll eventually happen...

463 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #448 _RememberTonyC

please don't kill Bambi

...just so you know...it's really hard to tell which one is Bambi...they all look alike

464 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #454 Salamantis

But Bambi is so delicious!

/and Thumper doesn't taste bad, either...


ok then ... bambi is lunch meat

465 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:37:09am

re: #462 Salamantis

I'm just waiting for some twisted sexual aid manufacturer to come out with a Cthulhu RealDoll...;~)

/you know it'll eventually happen...

Sal, I think you just gave me the Million-Dollar Idea that I've been praying for...

466 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:37:20am

re: #460 avanti

O.T. Roomba vacuum update. I've had Rosie (everyone names their robot) for about a month now and run it daily. I think the thing must slip outside when I'm not looking, because she's still finding cat hair and dust bunnies.
I no longer have to dump the the dirt bin in her hour of vacuuming, but she still finding dirt. I love Rosie, as do the cats.

Are those really all they seem to be? I've got two cats, a long-haired dog, and hardwood floors, and have been sorely tempted, but skeptical.

467 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:38:00am

re: #451 Dianna

Hey! I like D&D! And "Call of Cthulu", come to think of it.

The difference is when it becomes a real word manifestation. A lot of their avatars try to look menacing and tough, that generally indicated a frightened teenage boy trying to look tough.

468 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:38:17am

re: #465 mikalm

Sal, I think you just gave me the Million-Dollar Idea that I've been praying for...

And the geek market will never be the same again.

469 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:21am

re: #456 Reginald Perrin

I screwed up the HTML tags on that post.
TFRRP is one of my favorite comedy series. I chose the name for a reason, I sort sort of faked my online death last year hunting trolls, so I chose Reggie as a sort of taunt at Rodan.
It went right over his head.

Why am I not surprised. Twajie is as dense as a neutron star.

470 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #464 _RememberTonyC

ok then ... bambi is lunch meat

So tempted to post a recipe for bacon wrapped tenderloins...

471 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #443 Bagua

I see your point, but he was a very different type. The stalkers come across as troubled adolescents.

I can't speak to that; only the rule that one always takes a threat seriously.

Granted, most people who threaten me don't cost me a moment's sleep.

472 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:40:54am

I am almost certain Avideditor posted there after Dec 2008. Or maybe the crap is so thick, I can't distinguish one pile from another anymore. He does go into their chat room.

473 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:17am

re: #471 Dianna

I can't speak to that; only the rule that one always takes a threat seriously.

Granted, most people who threaten me don't cost me a moment's sleep.

It's not the blustery blowhards you have to worry about; it's the sweating, trembly ones...

474 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:17am

re: #467 Bagua

The difference is when it becomes a real word manifestation. A lot of their avatars try to look menacing and tough, that generally indicated a frightened teenage boy trying to look tough.

These people are not adolescents. They're adults, all of them. And I take their threats very seriously.

475 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:23am

Gotta run, Lizards. BBL...maybe.

476 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:29am

I've done some work in relation to real-life stalkers, and I know they thrive on the kind of attention they're getting in this thread. The post and comments will fuel their rage for days, maybe weeks. If that's the point, to tweak their grubby little noses, then it's a job well done.

On another topic, I've said before that I can't stand most of the cable news babbling ideologues, and rarely watch them anymore. I've always disliked O'Reilly, just for his gross personality, and the fact he was pimping his book for kids at the same time his sexual harassment escapades hit the fan. Too much irony can kill a man!

However, his interview with Joe Bastardi last night came up on Youtube this morning when I was looking for something else, a waterskiing squirrel or screaming German kid. If you don't know Bastardi, you should get to know him. He's a straight-shooter.

Youtube Video

Bastardi responded to Gore's 2008 "60 Minutes" bullfest with some choice words: [Link: global-warming.accuweather.com...]

477 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #443 Bagua

I see your point, but he was a very different type. The stalkers come across as troubled adolescents.

Don't be fooled. These are GROWN men and women, not kids. Not by a long shot.

478 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:11am

re: #457 mikalm

I have a very funny story involving a stuffed Cthulhu toy that I'll tell you sometime soon...

I look forward to it.

479 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #476 garycooper

I've done some work in relation to real-life stalkers, and I know they thrive on the kind of attention they're getting in this thread. The post and comments will fuel their rage for days, maybe weeks. If that's the point, to tweak their grubby little noses, then it's a job well done.

No, the point is to publicize that they're issuing assassination threats against the President.

480 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:52am

Poor guy thinks that because I posted contact information for Blue Mean that I'm going to try and shut them down. Actually, I have much better things to do and in a way I enjoy watching them squirm. That post of course led him to insult my mother and father.

Rodan has been at this for over a year now. His rage never seems to end and his "enemies" list seems to grow daily. Like a criminal, instead of attempting to deescalate the situation he just grows madder by the minute. Since I know he and the rest of that sad bunch read this by the minute here's some diagnostic criteria for anti-social behavior:

1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;

4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

They also continue to commit acts of crime or violence long after the rewards have stopped and the punishment has begun (e.g. repeat offenders who have been incarcerated multiple times). They also are quick to display aggressive and impulsive behavior. This reactive antisocial aggression is perhaps in part a result of elevated levels of frustration experienced when they are unable to modify their behavior in the ever-changing environment.

481 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:54am

re: #460 avanti

O.T. Roomba vacuum update. I've had Rosie (everyone names their robot) for about a month now and run it daily. I think the thing must slip outside when I'm not looking, because she's still finding cat hair and dust bunnies.
I no longer have to dump the the dirt bin in her hour of vacuuming, but she still finding dirt. I love Rosie, as do the cats.

Heh... on one of the CSI shows, the CSI's were at a crime scene (the living room of a house where a murder had occurred). They saw shell casings on the floor and continued looking around the house eventually returning to the living room to find the shell casings gone. A tense scene ensued with weapons drawn and an expectation that any second someone would burst from a hiding place and begin shooting.

... Then they found a roomba running about cleaning up shell casings ;-0

482 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:58am

re: #469 Honorary Yooper

I wish I could give you an extra upding for the use of Twajie.
The only thing I have found that pi$$es him off more is being called a simian faced Latin King wannabe.

483 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #474 Charles

These people are not adolescents. They're adults, all of them. And I take their threats very seriously.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Take them very seriously indeed. It's when you're not paying attention that you get hurt.

484 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #443 Bagua

I see your point, but he was a very different type. The stalkers come across as troubled adolescents.

I keep picturing them like this:

[Link: www.famouspictures.org...]

485 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:50am

re: #322 lawhawk

shhh...

486 brazilofmux  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:44:17am

re: #435 reine.de.tout

Not to mention the fact that it's just wrong every way you look at it to cause or wish for or encourage actions resulting in someone's untimely death.

As distasteful as it is to even consider in these terms, not only is it just wrong, it is also very much a sub-optimal move in the cold terms of playing a game. I see this kinda thing and it just blows my mind that these people do not realize that what they are advocating is not even in the best interest of the agenda they are advancing. Total, utter, lame failure.

487 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:44:17am

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

Who the fuck knows or cares. Geeessshhh :)

I care.

488 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:44:19am

re: #473 Salamantis

It's not the blustery blowhards you have to worry about; it's the sweating, trembly ones...

The blustery blowhards sometimes feel a very scary urge to "live up to it."

I do not intimidate worth a damn, but it's just foolish not to take threats seriously.

489 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:45:17am

re: #476 garycooper

Joe Bastardi is a TV weatherman, not a climate scientist. But he's saying what you want to hear, so you think he's an expert.

490 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:45:40am

re: #476 garycooper

Charles rarely posts about them. Maybe 3 posts total that I've seen here.

491 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:47:55am

re: #474 Charles

These people are not adolescents. They're adults, all of them. And I take their threats very seriously.

I do understand that, what I am saying is I detect a great deal of adolescent type posturing and general immaturity in that group, infantile regression if you will, they are living in some sort of fantasy world.

My honest appraisal from experience in the security industry is that there posturing indicates they are essentially powder puffs trying to act hard. They would pee their pants if they met you in person.

492 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #468 BlueCanuck

And the geek market will never be the same again.

No chance of getting them out of the basement after that.

493 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #470 Athos

So tempted to post a recipe for bacon wrapped tenderloins...

Don't hold back.

494 Hawaii69  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:11am

re: #111 MandyManners

Charles, et al.:

What gets me is the level of personal hatred exhibited in that post. The image of someone causing a bicycle wreck and rejoicing at seeing someone's face strike the pavement. ... It turns my stomach. I figured he was sore with Charles for the banning but, that level of anger scares me. I've not visited over there in ages so I had no idea what was going on.


All that guy ever talked about here was violence.

495 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:59am

re: #102 unrealizedviewpoint

Note: Iron Fist was not the commenter threatening Charles. "bar" did while responding to Iron Fist's comment #20.

I would like to repeat that for the record. Much as I wish Iron Fist were not posting at LGF2, it's important to note that he's not the one making this threat.


#78 Bagua:

there is also an element of cowardice, picking a screen name such as "Iron Fist" and typing hollow threats is a sign of a frightened machismo; Iron Fist is without a doubt a wimp in real life

Well... no, he isn't. I've met him.

496 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #489 Charles

Joe Bastardi is a TV weatherman,

Bummer of a last name...

497 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:52:06am

re: #466 Guanxi88

Are those really all they seem to be? I've got two cats, a long-haired dog, and hardwood floors, and have been sorely tempted, but skeptical.

Basically, if you expect them to clean like a regular vac in one pass, you'll be disappointed. Before I ran mine the first time I did a good vacuuming with my upright. Even than, the Roomba's dust bin would need cleaning 2-3 times in it's normal run. It took fully two weeks of running under the bed for example before the dust bin would not fill between Rosie returning to her charging dock.
You also have to clean the pet hair out of the rollers and brushes every time you dump the bin. It's sounds like a pain, but it's a two minute job that I hope will go away after it gets caught up.
My wife loves it, everyday the carpets look and feel better, especially the edges that the dust bunny side brush gets and under the furniture.

498 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:52:31am

re: #479 Charles

No, the point is to publicize that they're issuing assassination threats against the President.

I know, that was the original point. A couple of hundred posts along, with everyone discussing their personal experiences with various stalkers, we're well into the nose-tweaking stage.

Sounds like most of those stalkers are the same people who made this site an unpleasant experience for lots of us "9-11 Republicans," who still harbored a lot of liberal notions and valued independent, skeptical thinking. I recognize a few of the names, from my first go-round with LGF.

499 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:53:13am

re: #495 Occasional Reader

Well... no, he isn't. I've met him.

Have you seen him in action, or merely looking tough?

500 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #497 avanti

Basically, if you expect them to clean like a regular vac in one pass, you'll be disappointed. Before I ran mine the first time I did a good vacuuming with my upright. Even than, the Roomba's dust bin would need cleaning 2-3 times in it's normal run. It took fully two weeks of running under the bed for example before the dust bin would not fill between Rosie returning to her charging dock.
You also have to clean the pet hair out of the rollers and brushes every time you dump the bin. It's sounds like a pain, but it's a two minute job that I hope will go away after it gets caught up.
My wife loves it, everyday the carpets look and feel better, especially the edges that the dust bunny side brush gets and under the furniture.

Guess that settles it, then. A roomba, and some early-on maintenance. Cause the sweeping twice a day thing is wearing us all out.

501 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:53:47am

re: #481 eschew_obfuscation

Heh... on one of the CSI shows, the CSI's were at a crime scene (the living room of a house where a murder had occurred). They saw shell casings on the floor and continued looking around the house eventually returning to the living room to find the shell casings gone. A tense scene ensued with weapons drawn and an expectation that any second someone would burst from a hiding place and begin shooting.

... Then they found a roomba running about cleaning up shell casings ;-0

I programmed mine to run daily, at different times, but set Rosie for a 2 AM run instead of PM. The wife was less than pleased.

502 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:54:47am

re: #499 Bagua

Have I actually been in street fights with him? No. But I think I've been around the block enough times to have a decent sense of who looks tough because he is tough, and who merely poses.

503 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #493 Creeping Eruption

Ingredients
2 lbs venison tenderloins (a single deer loin or pork or beef)
1/2 lb bacon (Plain, thin-sliced Bacon is best)
3 cups dark brown sugar
2 cups soy sauce (Regular NOT low-sodium. You'll want the saltiness)
1/4 cup white sugar (Optional for added Sweetness start at 1/8 cup and adjust for taste...)

Directions
1. Mix brown Sugar and Soy sauce together in a bowl. They should combine nicely into a soupy soy liquid.
2. Put Deer Loin in a cooking tray and pour Brown Sugar/Soy Sauce mixture over loin. Roll tenderloin over in mixture, completely covering it.
3. Let meat marinate in mixture at least 3 hours or overnight in fridge. It's best to marinate for 8 hours if you have the time. Also GREAT to use a Food Saver or other Vacuum device to Vacuum pack/seal the meat with Marinade. With this method, you can achieve Overnight-level marinade in just a couple hours!
4. Remove loin from tray, and place on a slotted bake sheet with a drip pan or aluminum foil below to catch dripping. Don't throw away marinade.
5. Wrap a piece of bacon around the very end of the tenderloin, securing the bacon strip with a toothpick.
6. Repeat this process until the entire loin is wrapped in ten or so bacon "loops." The tenderloin should look like an arm with a bunch of wrist watches on it, the watches being the bacon strips.
7. Drizzle remaining marinade over deer loin. You can continue to baste the loin with the marinade throughout the cooking process with either a brush or a turkey baster.
8. Place on center rack in oven and bake at 350°F for 30-40* minutes. *This should cook the meat to about Medium. For those of you who prefer rare meat (like me), cut the time to 25-30 minutes.
9. For a crispier crust and crispier bacon, remove Loin from oven and place the Loin(s) directly on a Grill over medium-high heat to sear the bacon and outer loin.

504 avanti  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #500 Guanxi88

Guess that settles it, then. A roomba, and some early-on maintenance. Cause the sweeping twice a day thing is wearing us all out.

Once you get it, let me know if you need cleaning hints for the robot, or just google a Roomba forum.

505 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #359 JamesTKirk

I'm Brian, and so's my wife.

Are you the tennis players?

506 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:55:46am

re: #499 Bagua

Have you seen him in action, or merely looking tough?

I've actually watched him - he's pretty good. My Male (2nd dan black belt) says he's not bad; I will defer to others with more training than I have.

Do not underestimate people, and don't dismiss them. It's not safe.

507 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:55:58am

And I continue to be just... flabbergasted at the weird futility of posting regularly at a website, that's dedicated exclusively to stalking another website. Sheesh.

Moving upstairs.

508 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #503 Athos

Thanks. have you ever done the whole thing on a grill or would the bacon just burn off?

509 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:35am

re: #502 Occasional Reader

Have I actually been in street fights with him? No. But I think I've been around the block enough times to have a decent sense of who looks tough because he is tough, and who merely poses.

Well I'll trust your first hand judgement, my personal experience is a lot of tough lookers turn to water when things get rough.

510 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:45am

re: #500 Guanxi88

Guess that settles it, then. A roomba, and some early-on maintenance. Cause the sweeping twice a day thing is wearing us all out.

I have a Dyson Animal. Worth the money.

511 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:57:41am

Life is too short to concern myself with these hippies. Next topic.

512 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #491 Bagua

I do understand that, what I am saying is I detect a great deal of adolescent type posturing and general immaturity in that group, infantile regression if you will, they are living in some sort of fantasy world.

My honest appraisal from experience in the security industry is that there posturing indicates they are essentially powder puffs trying to act hard. They would pee their pants if they met you in person.

Personally? I could care less. Plenty of "grownups" act like kids. It doesn't give them a pass to be threatening. No one can determine the line between what they will do and what they say they will do.

And btw, if it was you they were stalking for years you wouldn't be so flippant about it.

513 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #498 garycooper

I know, that was the original point. A couple of hundred posts along, with everyone discussing their personal experiences with various stalkers, we're well into the nose-tweaking stage.

Sounds like most of those stalkers are the same people who made this site an unpleasant experience for lots of us "9-11 Republicans," who still harbored a lot of liberal notions and valued independent, skeptical thinking. I recognize a few of the names, from my first go-round with LGF.

You think these are liberals? Really? Go over there and tell them that!

514 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #494 Hawaii69

All that guy ever talked about here was violence.

I should have banned him a LONG time ago. He was responsible for the majority of the comments that people use to make LGF look bad -- violence, bigotry, and incredible nastiness directed at Muslims -- and I regret letting the fact that he was here for so long influence my judgment.

It's a mistake I won't make again.

515 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:59:37am

re: #506 Dianna

I've actually watched him - he's pretty good. My Male (2nd dan black belt) says he's not bad; I will defer to others with more training than I have.

Do not underestimate people, and don't dismiss them. It's not safe.

No, I would never underestimate anyone nor take any threat lightly. But hearing that he is a karate tough just re-enforces my opinion of him. I've dealt with that crowd extensively for over 30 years.

516 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #510 Dianna

I have a Dyson Animal. Worth the money.

Eh, but the whole robot angle is lost if I'm still doing it, or the wife is. No, it's a robot, for me.

517 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #508 Creeping Eruption

If you have a rotisserie, it might work with direct contact on the grill for the final sear. I've never done this with rotisserie - but making extra marinade for the drip pan would also make sense. (I generally use the rotisserie for chicken, duck, and tri-tip)

518 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #512 marjoriemoon

And btw, if it was you they were stalking for years you wouldn't be so flippant about it.

Please do not mistake me, I am not being flippant or giving him any sort of pass, I am insulting him and the other clowns posting there and insinuating that they are in fact candy-asses posing as real men. They are not, and I see right through their charade.

That doesn't mean I in any way dismiss or excuse their behaviour.

519 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #489 Charles

Joe Bastardi is a TV weatherman, not a climate scientist. But he's saying what you want to hear, so you think he's an expert.

Bastardi is a meteorologist, with a degree from Penn State Univeristy. TV weathermen do not need to have this degree, just a nice toupee and generally pleasing personalities. Bastardi has been a well-respected employee of Accuweather for 20-some years.

Attack his facts?

520 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:04:59pm

re: #515 Bagua

No, I would never underestimate anyone nor take any threat lightly. But hearing that he is a karate tough just re-enforces my opinion of him. I've dealt with that crowd extensively for over 30 years.

I have no idea what "karate tough" means.

My master would kick anyone out of the dojang who played the bully. Being humble and peaceable are very much part of most martial arts training I've encountered.

521 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #519 garycooper

Bastardi is a meteorologist, with a degree from Penn State Univeristy. TV weathermen do not need to have this degree, just a nice toupee and generally pleasing personalities. Bastardi has been a well-respected employee of Accuweather for 20-some years.

Attack his facts?

"Meteorologist" is another word for "weatherman." He has no credentials at all as a climate scientist.

522 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:05:45pm

In case they might be mistaken about this point, let me point out that the CyberStalkerazzi are not being insulted here.

The truth about someone, by definition, can never be an insult.

523 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:06:42pm

K ,,, I'm back

And for all those that were worried or thought they were giving advice, I wasn't COMPLAINING about the deer family at the far end of me property, I was commenting that they must be out of the food I spread out for them every week or so

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

524 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:07:38pm

re: #523 sattv4u2

K ,,, I'm back

And for all those that were worried or thought they were giving advice, I wasn't COMPLAINING about the deer family at the far end of me property, I was commenting that they must be out of the food I spread out for them every week or so

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Maybe they can feed you for a change...;~)

525 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:07:54pm

re: #521 Charles

"Meteorologist" is another word for "weatherman." He has no credentials at all as a climate scientist.

?!

Meteorology is a serious field of study, though most people in it have to make a living outside of academia.

My oceanography professor used to team-teach with a meteorology prof in lab. Marvellous expansion of the material.

526 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:08:56pm

re: #520 Dianna

I have no idea what "karate tough" means.

My master would kick anyone out of the dojang who played the bully. Being humble and peaceable are very much part of most martial arts training I've encountered.

"Karate tough" is someone with a blackbelt who thinks that makes him a street-fighter when in fact he is not. Courage and skill in an orderly dojo is very different from real life. And your master is correct, the real macoy is humble and peacefully, thus my point. I know of what I speak.

527 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:09:20pm

re: #522 Salamantis

In case they might be mistaken about this point, let me point out that the CyberStalkerazzi are not being insulted here.

The truth about someone, by definition, can never be an insult.

hmmm,,, actually if they are offended or feel demeaned they can take it as such.

More accurately, they cannot say that "we" are spreading malicious lies!

528 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:09:45pm

re: #519 garycooper

Attack his facts?

What facts? I watched the video -- it was ridiculous -- and he's talking about a claim by Greenpeace that global warming is helping the California wildfires.

He's completely full of crap about his claims that the climate is cooling for the last 10 years. This stupid talking point has been dealt with over and over and over in our threads on the topic.

But go ahead and believe it, I know you want to.

529 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:10:00pm

re: #518 Bagua

Please do not mistake me, I am not being flippant or giving him any sort of pass, I am insulting him and the other clowns posting there and insinuating that they are in fact candy-asses posing as real men. They are not, and I see right through their charade.

That doesn't mean I in any way dismiss or excuse their behaviour.

Good to hear. Sometimes folks here talk about this as if it's no big deal, or try to marginalize it in some way and I don't think it's really fair. Not one person here would tolerate what Charles has for so many years. I mean I guess it comes with the territory to some extent but it's got to get you.

Hell, if I had a website, I'm ban about 75% of the people here and have 5 people to talk to.

530 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:10:22pm

re: #526 Bagua

Oh, I see.

A black belt just means you've learned the basics. And I cannot remember how many jokes I've been told about the blackbelt who got decked by some guy in a bar.

531 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:10:52pm

IMO the majority of people on the left who had a bad opinion of LGF did so because of commenters. Comments were cherrypicked and then circulated. At one time there were many comments here that were far over the line and did not reflect the views of our host--except insofar as they reflected Charles' reluctance to play cop and tightly moderate comments, or curtail speech.

Unfortunately, moderation and registration are essential on any blog this size, because the lunatics will always manage to gain control and drive everyone else away. Look at the swamp HuffPo comments and other places can turn into-- because they don't moderate or don't moderate as well and thoroughly as here.

I liked Iron Fist and we were always civil to each other. He had many intelligent things to say. But it is also true that he had another, very dark side, and in that mood many of the comments he made were circulated throughout the blogopshere, and they came to almost define the left's idea of what LGF is-- and many on the centre as well.

532 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #522 Salamantis

In case they might be mistaken about this point, let me point out that the CyberStalkerazzi are not being insulted here.

The truth about someone, by definition, can never be an insult.

Pffttt. Their mothers are hamsters and their fathers smelled of elderberries.

And I fart in their general direction.

< how old is that anyway >

533 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:11:09pm

re: #446 iceweasel

Wait a minute-- so basically choosing the name "Rodan" was always a way of deluding himself that he's Charles' equal and some-time rival? Given that the community calls itself 'lizards' and 'Charles is often referred to as the big lizard etc.?

Huh. That's quite...interesting. Sheesh.

He wishes.

534 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #524 Salamantis

Maybe they can feed you for a change...;~)

heheheh,, ,about 4 weeks ago one of them did get hit by lightning. I wasn't positive so I called animal control, who confirmed it. However, they didn;t get out here for over 36 hours so I felt it prudent to NOT take the meat

I have however taken freshly killed (hit by car) deer meat

Yummm

535 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:12:35pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

Upding for the Monty Python reference.

I've never actually seen Holy Grail, but I think I've heard all the good quotes.

536 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:12:45pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

Bummer of a last name...

An extra tough Soprano gang thug.

537 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #532 marjoriemoon

Pffttt. Their mothers are hamsters and their fathers smelled of elderberries.

And I fart in their general direction.

< how old is that anyway &gt;


1975 ,, DAMN I'm old!

538 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #535 Dianna

Upding for the Monty Python reference.

I've never actually seen Holy Grail, but I think I've heard all the good quotes.

GASP ,,, YOU MUST!!

"hearing all the quotes" is all well and fine, but SEEING them (the physical humor coupled with the words) and IN context is a MSUT see

539 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #538 sattv4u2

GASP ,,, YOU MUST!!

"hearing all the quotes" is all well and fine, but SEEING them (the physical humor coupled with the words) and IN context is a MSUT see

MUST even

540 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:15:20pm

re: #530 Dianna

Oh, I see.

A black belt just means you've learned the basics. And I cannot remember how many jokes I've been told about the blackbelt who got decked by some guy in a bar.

Exactly, I don't mean to call to authority, but over the last 30 years I have trained hundreds of black belts from most every system imaginable, and on several continents, as well as military, police, special forces, champion kick-boxers, bikers, etc. I have a short list of those I'd actually choose to be with me in a fight and most of them ain't martial artists. Also, the dangerous ones are generally very humble, respectful and soft spoken.

541 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:19:15pm

re: #534 sattv4u2

heheheh,, ,about 4 weeks ago one of them did get hit by lightning. I wasn't positive so I called animal control, who confirmed it. However, they didn;t get out here for over 36 hours so I felt it prudent to NOT take the meat

I have however taken freshly killed (hit by car) deer meat

Yummm

I have, too.

Motor oil is motor oil. Venison is venison.

I also knew some rowdy rural rednecks who used to run the back woods dirt roads at night in their 4X4 pickup with cases of beer and a log mounted as a front bumper, whooping and hollering and trying to hit deer.

They finally got one. Apparently, he flew into the air and came through their windshield, causing them to crash into a tree.

And that was the end of that dumb idea.

542 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:20:37pm

re: #541 Salamantis

I have, too.

Motor oil is motor oil. Venison is venison.

I also knew some rowdy rural rednecks who used to run the back woods dirt roads at night in their 4X4 pickup with cases of beer and a log mounted as a front bumper, whooping and hollering and trying to hit deer.

They finally got one. Apparently, he flew into the air and came through their windshield, causing them to crash into a tree.

And that was the end of that dumb idea.

LOL ,,, famous redneck last words


"Watch this!"

543 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #535 Dianna

Upding for the Monty Python reference.

I've never actually seen Holy Grail, but I think I've heard all the good quotes.

Oooo go now and get the CD. You'll enjoy it.

It's so overplayed, it's not my fav anymore. Meaning of Life #1, Life of Brian #2.

544 JHW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:22:52pm

re: #540 Bagua

i tend to agree a lot with you on this. I remember some barracks bullies that were a terror in the States, but when it came to overseas were less than valorous. And the last guy in the world you'd have thought of, the guy that looked like a DnD geek, turned out to be a Leonidas.

545 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #531 iceweasel

Thank you for making this point.

546 BlueCanuck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #542 sattv4u2

LOL ,,, famous redneck last words


"Watch this!"

Of course they are preceded by "here, hold my beer."

547 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:29:48pm

re: #546 BlueCanuck

Of course they are preceded by "here, hold my beer."

Followed by

"She's my second cousin, so it's okay"

548 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #534 sattv4u2

heheheh,, ,about 4 weeks ago one of them did get hit by lightning. I wasn't positive so I called animal control, who confirmed it. However, they didn;t get out here for over 36 hours so I felt it prudent to NOT take the meat

I have however taken freshly killed (hit by car) deer meat

Yummm

Why not take the lightning meat? It was pre-cooked?

549 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #528 Charles

What facts? I watched the video -- it was ridiculous -- and he's talking about a claim by Greenpeace that global warming is helping the California wildfires.

He's completely full of crap about his claims that the climate is cooling for the last 10 years. This stupid talking point has been dealt with over and over and over in our threads on the topic.

But go ahead and believe it, I know you want to.

Greenpeace did say that: [Link: members.greenpeace.org...]

You may think it's a stupid talking point, but a whole lot of climate scientists beg to differ, to the point where they're trying to spin the global cooling as being "less cool due to global warming."

[Link: www.climatedepot.com...]

You think that I'm a stupid person who has been led by the nose to believe what ExxonMobil thinks is best for the company, as your comments to me on this subject would indicate. So be it, it's your blog. I began as a believer in AGW, when I started researching this subject seriously about 7-8 years ago. I saw the thread from a few days ago where the global cooling of the past decade was "debunked," and I chose to stay away. I know how to play the game of attacking sources, which is how most of the AGW-debate is conducted online.

550 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #548 Creeping Eruption

Why not take the lightning meat? It was pre-cooked?

pre cooked,,, YEA!

left out 36 hours ,, NAY !

551 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #531 iceweasel

He almost single-handedly marked this site as a hate site. I'm not sure you saw what he said in the beginning. I'm not trying to be mean to you, you're one of my fav people here, but he shouldn't be defended and I'm sensing that from you.

If he was civil it was because of CHARLES, not him. He calmed down ONLY because he was warned repeatedly to do so. Did he thank Charles for letting him stay so long after being told to cool it time after time? No. He goes to the deuce because he can spout that crap over there ad nausem. Good riddance.

552 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:38:07pm

re: #545 debutaunt

Thank you for making this point.

You're welcome.
I'm opposed to the idea of talking about the banned, or that site--and I don't plan to again-- but I wanted to give credit where it is due and also acknowledge some harsh truths.

I liked IF and learned from him in many conversations and that's still true. But it is also true that in his other mood, he did a tremendous amount of damage to LGF's reputation on the left and centre, to such an extent that his nickname and those views came to be considered synonymous with LGF-- and taken for Charles' views.

I still wish him well, hope he finds a better place to post than the stalker site (which is only going to bring out all the worst in him, unfortunately) and wish him success and happiness with his upcoming marriage.

That's all I have to say on this.

553 J.S.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:50:11pm

CNN's Rick Sanchez is reporting about a "pastor" with some Baptist church in Arizona wants the President to die -- what is wrong with people?? The "pastor's" website (o surprise!) has been taken down...

554 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:53:45pm

re: #549 garycooper

I won't discuss this with you, because you've shown repeatedly that you're not interested at all in the actual science -- you mock and deride people who try to provide you with actual scientific links to the data, and you link over and over to agenda-driven climate denial sites.

Others may wish to continue debating you on this, but I don't see any point.

555 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 12:59:59pm

re: #553 J.S.

CNN's Rick Sanchez is reporting about a "pastor" with some Baptist church in Arizona wants the President to die -- what is wrong with people?? The "pastor's" website (o surprise!) has been taken down...

Oh The Self Righteous! They are not only more pious than you, they're closer to God than you. Don't believe me? Just ask em!!

And it's no error to mention Rick Sanchez and self-righteous in the same sentence either.

556 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:08:27pm

re: #551 marjoriemoon

He almost single-handedly marked this site as a hate site. I'm not sure you saw what he said in the beginning. I'm not trying to be mean to you, you're one of my fav people here, but he shouldn't be defended and I'm sensing that from you.

If he was civil it was because of CHARLES, not him. He calmed down ONLY because he was warned repeatedly to do so. Did he thank Charles for letting him stay so long after being told to cool it time after time? No. He goes to the deuce because he can spout that crap over there ad nausem. Good riddance.

Hey mm-- everything you're saying is true. I know that. I've seen those comments. I came from the leftysphere so I know all about how those comments affected LGF's reputation. I'd be the last to question the banning.

None of this should be construed as a defense of those comments or what he's doing now over at the other place. I know he's saying terrible things about Charles and LGF. I also have heard that he's specifically called me a liar and a c--t.

I still hope the guy finds a better place to post and a better situation in his life where the best in him can flourish, and not the worst. That dump is only going to bring out the worst.
Hope this clarifies my position. Now I think I'd really rather not talk about him or that place, if it's cool. (Big fan of yours too, btw!)
cheers, ice

557 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #554 Charles

I won't discuss this with you, because you've shown repeatedly that you're not interested at all in the actual science -- you mock and deride people who try to provide you with actual scientific links to the data, and you link over and over to agenda-driven climate denial sites.

Others may wish to continue debating you on this, but I don't see any point.

Like I said, it's your blog, and clearly your mind is made up on this issue. I see no point in debating AGW here any further.

558 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #557 garycooper

Like I said, it's your blog, and clearly your mind is made up on this issue. I see no point in debating AGW here any further.

My mind is made up? That's pretty rich.

559 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:25:49pm

I'd like to "meet the payment [sic] right quick." I'm pretty much always up for getting paid.

I don't have a "p*ssy spoke" though. At least I don't think I have one. I wonder if that would disqualify me.

560 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:26:28pm

re: #147 Honorary Yooper

No, apparently they don't. These sick fuckers are also some of the ones spreading lies about Charles around the internet over on other blogs. Some of them have been very active over at Ace and Hot Air as well, poisoning those wells.

The assholes over on the Deuce apparently subscribe to the policy of "scorched earth", where Charles and LGF is concerned...

561 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:40:54pm
562 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:21pm

re: #557 garycooper

[...] clearly your mind is made up on this issue. I see no point in debating AGW here any further.

I see no sign of that and I am active on the AGW threads, do you have some information I have missed?

What I have have seen is an even handed treatment of the subject, with a lot of technical detail. As some-one who leans to the AGW sceptics side I welcome the effort to raise the standard of the debate and challenge those who make facile arguments and at the same time honestly state the status of the science.

Now that this has become a partisan political issue there is far too many easily disputed claims being bandied about by lesser minds. This renders the legitimate concerns of the AGW sceptic side weakened by association.

563 shimoda  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:54pm

As time here in The Land of a 1000 Lakes is past midnight now and it is the 11:th of September here let me offer my greetings and salutations to you in the USA on this "day of infamy".

And let me also say how it sorrows me to see the USA I admired as a youth, growing up in the 60:s and 70:s, tearing itself apart in struggling to cope with the new realities of the world and your new administration.

You ARE a truly amazing nation and I hope that you can bring the kooks under control before they destroy all that is good with America.

And I am truly appalled that Charles has to suffer threats just because he has chosen to be a voice for reason and sanity in a crazy blogosphere. Were I not a godless atheist I would pray for your good health. Now I can only wish you good health, and keep up the good fight.

564 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #69 MandyManners

I'm just heart-sick over IronFist's post.

It's very sad to see this from people I once considered friends and colleagues.

565 garycooper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #563 shimoda

As time here in The Land of a 1000 Lakes is past midnight now and it is the 11:th of September here let me offer my greetings and salutations to you in the USA on this "day of infamy".

And let me also say how it sorrows me to see the USA I admired as a youth, growing up in the 60:s and 70:s, tearing itself apart in struggling to cope with the new realities of the world and your new administration.

You ARE a truly amazing nation and I hope that you can bring the kooks under control before they destroy all that is good with America.

And I am truly appalled that Charles has to suffer threats just because he has chosen to be a voice for reason and sanity in a crazy blogosphere. Were I not a godless atheist I would pray for your good health. Now I can only wish you good health, and keep up the good fight.

I grew up in the Sixties right here in America, halfway between the riots and racism in Detroit, and the hippie-leftist culture that consumed Ann Arbor and the U. of Michigan, where I later earned my undergrad degree. Kooks are nothing new. We can handle them.

566 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Reading the lgf2.0 post, though, it's pretty clear that he's talking about Friedman.

567 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:18:43pm

re: #566 LC LaWedgie

Reading the lgf2.0 post, though, it's pretty clear that he's talking about Friedman.

Oh really? Friedman is a "tyrant?" In what universe?

568 wee fury  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:31:46pm

I just don't understand it. I'm sorry that these people feel the need to type the way they do. Do not understand it at all.

569 KernelPanic  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:41:42pm

Late to the thread and just got home after a flight back from Germany -- my body is currently +6 hours ahead of the timezone I'm currently sitting in.

The most amazing thing from browsing the stalker sites is the level of writing skill shown. I'm not even trying to snark - it really does seem that most over the top posters have roughly fourth grade spelling and grammar skills. Way way beyond simple internet forum "fat fingered" typing errors and well into the realm of "these children were certainly left behind".

570 irish rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:46:59pm

Got your back on this one, Charles.

571 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:59:50pm

What a bunch of terrible people.

572 freedombilly  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:06pm

Charles, you have a strong stomach and many of us appreciate your service.

573 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:28pm

Melt down - yikes. What a total psycho.

574 mili  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:43:58am

Someone too crazy for LGF2 standards is a total lunatic!

575 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:55:56am

re: #567 Charles

Probably a poor choice of quotes for the situation. I suppose you can fault him that. However, the thread was about Friedman, and the guy's avatar has nothing to do with it.
I've heard lots of people called tyrants, and not all of them were in positions of political power. Sometimes the expression is used in the wrong context.
That universe.
Lighten up, Francis, and go after problems that matter.
You know how it goes:
1.) The best laid plans of mice and men...
2.) People often say things out of context.
3.) You can't always make people tow your line no matter how "rational" your argument, because sometimes it is, sometimes it ain't, and sometimes it's perception.
4.) The world really needs a good 10 cent cigar, especially Bill Clinton.

576 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #575 LC LaWedgie

Probably a poor choice of quotes for the situation. I suppose you can fault him that. However, the thread was about Friedman, and the guy's avatar has nothing to do with it.
I've heard lots of people called tyrants, and not all of them were in positions of political power. Sometimes the expression is used in the wrong context.
That universe.
Lighten up, Francis, and go after problems that matter.
You know how it goes:
1.) The best laid plans of mice and men...
2.) People often say things out of context.
3.) You can't always make people tow your line no matter how "rational" your argument, because sometimes it is, sometimes it ain't, and sometimes it's perception.
4.) The world really needs a good 10 cent cigar, especially Bill Clinton.

Excuse me -- I don't recall asking you for advice on what I should post at LGF. If you don't like the subject matter, it takes about five minutes to start your own blog.

And I really don't appreciate it when you show up here defending people who call for me to be murdered.

577 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 11:04:36am

re: #576 Charles

1. Just exactly what part of my response to your questions indicates advice on what you should post? "go after problems that matter"? Fine. I have no problems: leave it at that.
2. If that comment poster called for you to be murdered, shame on him, and shame on you for claiming some sort of perceived "defense" on my part of any such statement.
3. Ahh, when you say "people" -- I'm not defending the "essence of their blog" any more than every poster at LGF is Charles Johnson. I'm not a poster there, don't intend to be. I'm just saying that an avatar and a well-worn, trite (and stupid IMHO) statement from decades ago doesn't link, equate or activate any knee-jerk reaction, with the exception of a war of words between two blogs that really don't have that much in common in the first place, that you started in this case.

578 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:33:34pm
579 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:34:38pm

Flounce away, little flounceling. I'll also block your sock puppet account while I'm at it.

580 ML1  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 8:09:44pm

Wasn't Iron Fist the goon who made some shit up about manslaughtering someone, got called on it (it didn't make sense and was clearly pure bragging: kinda sick) and then vowed never to post drunk again?

I never understood why he was tolerated for so long. Problem is, I don't recognise most handles these days so doubt anyone bar Charles knows the answer to that...


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