Ahmadinejad Not Invited to Obama Reception for World Leaders

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President Obama has told Iranian thug-in-chief Mahmoud Ahmadinejad not to bother showing up to a UN reception for world leaders: White House: ‘Ahmadinejad won’t get invite to NY event’.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be unlikely to receive an invitation to a reception US President Barack Obama will host in New York later this month, the White House said Thursday.

The reception for world leaders will take place during the United Nations General Assembly meeting.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said he doubts that Ahmadinejad will be invited because “Iran is failing to live up to its international obligations.”

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974 comments
1 Vaak  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:25:11pm

Whoa, that's incredible. He's NOT inviting a sworn enemy of America to a party? Maybe there is actually something to this "smart power," just don't pay attention to Honduras, Israel, or Myanmar.

2 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:25:52pm

Maybe 0bama should unclench...

//

3 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:26:17pm

I wonder if Chavez is getting an invite?

Actually, I'd guess not giving what happened the last time the two met.

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:26:34pm

I fully support President Obama in this decision.

5 MJ  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:10pm

US: Iran may have fuel for crude nuclear weapon

"..The development comes as a Sept. 23 deadline set by Mr. Obama for Iran to agree to talks nears. So far Iran has offered little substantive response..."

[Link: features.csmonitor.com...]

Call me shocked.

6 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:15pm

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fully support President Obama in this decision.

RINO!

7 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:22pm

I have no problems with not inviting Dinnerjacket. In fact, I'd be pleased as punch to never have the guy set foot on American soil ever again.

8 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:29pm

re: #1 Vaak

...or Turkey, Colombia, Taiwan or the Ukraine...

I could go on

/all just big speed bumps under the 0bama bus

9 Buck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:31pm

Oh boo hoo... Ahmadinejad really feels left out.

Will Chavez be invited? Raul Castro?

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fully support President Obama in this decision.

Me too!

11 Dayenu  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:47pm

Wow. One of the first things that Obama did that I approved of.

Isn't that sad? That I'm saying: "Wow! I'm so relieved Obama didn't invite Ahamadinejad."

With McCain it wouldn't have been a question.

12 Danny  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:50pm

Sucks for him.

13 JohnH  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:27:55pm

Wow. He just solved the Iranian problem. Who knew it could be that simple?

14 Kragarghazi  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:06pm

I see the words unlikely and doubt. Nothing concrete saying he wont be invited.

15 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:06pm

The problem now is that nobody can see Dinnerjacket jumping up and down in anger when he is surrounded by his normal sized aides.

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:07pm

This news will be no impediment to those who want to hate Obama for everything he does, of course.

17 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:22pm

Good job Obama. For what it's worth, Ahmadinejad will also not be invited to my house for dinner that night.

18 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:32pm

call me when a wing of b-1's are over Iran. tell then i am not impressed.

19 JohnH  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:28:35pm

It's hardly bold or courageous.

20 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:19pm

Warning this comment contains cursing, flaming and a direct attack without attached logic:

Fuck Ahmadinejad. I said, I said Fuck Ahmadinejad... twice... in the ear.

21 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:19pm

re: #17 cliffster

Good job Obama. For what it's worth, Ahmadinejad will also not be invited to my house for dinner that night.

I'm sure there will be plenty of Profs at Columbia who would be happy to have him over for dinner.

22 JohnH  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:29pm

re: #18 yochanan

call me when a wing of b-1's are over Iran. tell then i am not impressed.

Should have sent the message on a cruise missile.

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:30pm

re: #17 cliffster

Good job Obama. For what it's worth, Ahmadinejad will also not be invited to my house for dinner that night.

We should start a club. The Dinnerjacket Non-Dining Club.

24 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:31pm

re: #11 Dayenu

There was also the decision to shoot the pirates holding the captain of the Maersk Alabama hostage.

I wholeheartedly apporved of his decision or non-interference.

25 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:29:41pm

A suit and tie were require attire for the event./

26 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:30:03pm

To all those who misuse Jefferson:

The best example we have today of the 'blood of the patriots' is the Iranian civilians who protest at risk of life simply to live free.

27 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:30:28pm

I am curious to see whether Hugo Chavez gets the invite (seeing how he already got cozy with Ahmadinejad and signed a new gas deal with Iran just in case Iran's gas supply became endangered).

Also, note that the article isn't nearly as definitive on not inviting Ahmadinejad as the headlines state. There's some wiggle room there, perhaps as a tasty carrot to entice Iran to comply.

28 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #25 Creeping Eruption

A suit and tie were require attire for the event./

And I was so looking forward to seeing him in his customary red shirt, dungarees, and flopped down sailor hat.

29 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:31:05pm

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

30 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:31:07pm

re: #5 MJ

US: Iran may have fuel for crude nuclear weapon


[Link: features.csmonitor.com...]

Call me shocked.

They've been working on it long enough. Negotiations have been such a success. We'll have to move to "tougher" negotiations. To be followed up by "strenuous" negotiations.

31 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:31:07pm
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said he doubts that Ahmadinejad will be invited because “Iran is failing to live up to its international obligations.”

I'm glad the President isn't so committed to improving relations with Iran that he can't rethink his position. It was and is folly to think these thugs are anything but dictators, and have any intention of joining the civilized world.

I certainly hope it was the people of Iran themselves- demanding justice and freedom in the streets of Iran- that convinced our President not to give these cretins any legitimacy.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #9 Buck

Oh boo hoo... Ahmadinejad really feels left out.

Will Chavez be invited? Raul Castro?

I'm hoping he invites Netanyahu, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.
Disappointed, yes.

33 MJ  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:31:52pm

The Emerging Axis of Iran and Venezuela

ROBERT M. MORGENTHAU

The diplomatic ties between Iran and Venezuela go back almost 50 years and until recently amounted to little more than the routine exchange of diplomats. With the election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005, the relationship dramatically changed.

Today Mr. Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez have created a cozy financial, political and military partnership rooted in a shared anti-American animus. Now is the time to develop policies in this country to ensure this partnership produces no poisonous fruit...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

34 BothAndWorld  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:32:17pm

Thank you Mr. President for not dignifying this thug.

35 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:32:21pm

how long did it take him to notice the blood on the iranian short shits hands after the election protests?

and how long did it take him to notice that Jews are building something in the old hotel that was once owned by the nazi THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM (arafish's uncle)?

well knock me over with a feather.

36 Danny  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #29 Charles

According to the article, Ahmadinejad was not invited because he didn't respond to Obama's offer to talk about his nuke program. Doesn't sound like he abandoned it to me.

37 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:32:37pm

Looks like Jawa Report is coming out full-on for Robert Spencer today. "Stop, Charles, just stop!"

38 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:32:56pm

re: #29 Charles

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

I think it's a good sign the president isn't a fixed ideologue. He's able to reconsider his positions, and that's a good thing in any leader.

39 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:12pm

(I don't think Rusty Shackleford has ever asked Robert Spencer to stop his evil, hateful comments about me, by the way.)

40 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:17pm

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

There was also the decision to shoot the pirates holding the captain of the Maersk Alabama hostage.

I wholeheartedly apporved of his decision or non-interference.

By far my favorite decision thus far.

41 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:22pm

re: #29 Charles

That's setting the bar low...

Wow...he didn't follow through on one of his stupid-assed and untenable promises!

42 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:30pm

re: #29 Charles

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

Lied again!

43 MJ  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:35pm

re: #30 CommonCents

They've been working on it long enough. Negotiations have been such a success. We'll have to move to "tougher" negotiations. To be followed up by "strenuous" negotiations.

Yes. They're moved away from the direction of the dreaded "strongly worded letter" phase.

44 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:33:41pm

re: #30 CommonCents

when do we send the strongly worded letter?

45 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:34:03pm

Obama didn't invite him because he fears that Ahmadinejad's weird beard will be too scratchy during an embrace.

46 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:34:28pm

Well ! I for one would gladly have the little shit
over for dinner...
" I make SPECIAL Won-Ton for you"!

47 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

I'm glad the President isn't so committed to improving relations with Iran that he can't rethink his position. It was and is folly to think these thugs are anything but dictators, and have any intention of joining the civilized world.

I certainly hope it was the people of Iran themselves- demanding justice and freedom in the streets of Iran- that convinced our President not to give these cretins any legitimacy.

He should invite Mousavi and see how that flys with the Mahmoud.

48 JohnH  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:35:37pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

I'm glad the President isn't so committed to improving relations with Iran that he can't rethink his position. It was and is folly to think these thugs are anything but dictators, and have any intention of joining the civilized world.

I certainly hope it was the people of Iran themselves- demanding justice and freedom in the streets of Iran- that convinced our President not to give these cretins any legitimacy.

What has he changed? Really, what?

49 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #44 yochanan

when do we send the strongly worded letter?

As a follow-up, about a week after the last airstrikes.

50 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:35:43pm
51 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:35:50pm

re: #46 reloadingisnotahobby

Well ! I for one would gladly have the little shit
over for dinner...
" I make SPECIAL Won-Ton for you"!

I prefer sixteen-ton dropped on top of him

52 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:03pm

re: #47 CommonCents

flys with the Mahmoud.
well flys really do like shit so i guess it would be alright with them.

53 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:07pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

More potato puffs for Robert Mugabe.

Ruining a nation gives a man an appetite.

54 aggieann  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:18pm

Perhaps it's too soon after the Fourth of July get-togethers.

55 subsailor68  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:47pm

Ahmadinejad was stunned to learn that simply wearing his ultra-hip "Members Only" jacket was not enough to get him into the club, and was forced to spend the evening on the rope line watching all the other brutal dictators being ushered through the door.

56 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:50pm

Alright Obama has had an epiphany, this meeting with Ahmadinejad would be bad for his image right now.
Maybe they can all get together at Camp David though.

57 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:51pm

re: #47 CommonCents

He should invite Mousavi and see how that flys with the Mahmoud.

That would be nice, but probably create a worse situation for Mousavi in the long run. Iran really doesn't have to do much to join the "community of nations"- give up the nuke program and allow free and fair elections, and they'd pretty much be in.

58 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:36:52pm

That's good news. Although as Chris Rock says, you can't take too much credit for doing things that you're SUPPOSED to do..

Youtube Video
59 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:37:00pm

re: #47 CommonCents

Mousavi and Khatami...

/not 100% up to speed on my Iranian politics, but Khatami was the closest Iran has had to a 'reformer' since 1979

60 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:37:16pm
61 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:37:23pm

re: #54 aggieann

Perhaps it's too soon after the Fourth of July get-togethers.

First, the fireworks. Look at that! Wow! Right on top of Nantaz.
Then the meeting, for the unconditional surrender.

62 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:37:26pm

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

63 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:37:53pm

re: #48 JohnH

Doesn't look like he's worried about the fist staying clenched anymore.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:20pm

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

I'm reminded of the Firesign Theatre line, "Defoliating a victory garden certainly works up an appetite."

Oboy! Groat cakes again. Heavy on the 30-weight, Ma.

65 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:25pm

re: #45 The Curmudgeon

Obama didn't invite him because he fears that Ahmadinejad's weird beard will be too scratchy during an embrace.

You don't think it is because he is afraid that there would be a picture
of him bowing?

66 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:38pm

re: #51 Kosh's Shadow
Too many people in Iran that hate him as I do!
Wouldn't want any true "innocents" to die!

67 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:39pm

Thank you Mr. President for realizing the reality that so many knew so long ago. There is NO negotiation with this regime.

68 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:51pm

the only thing that will stop the iranian nuke program to wipe out the jewish state and create a second holocoust is something with very high explosives of one kind or another.

frankly not having the short shit at a party doesn't cut it.

i would sit here and laugh but i am not in that kind of mood.

IRAN + NUKES = WW3

69 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:51pm

re: #62 Charles

...and the pending closure of Gitmo?

70 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:38:57pm

re: #62 Charles

Well, part of the origin of the concern about the foreign policy was he made all the right noises to please all the wrong folks. Good to see he probably never intended to follow through on it

71 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:39:24pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

Don't forget renditions. He's kept those as well.

72 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:39:29pm
73 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:39:38pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

Aside from Afghanistan all the above at first glance seems to be contrary to what his campaign rhetoric was. Do you think he was pandering to his base, or that reality hit him in the face once he took office?

74 harrylook  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:39:44pm

i guess he finally admits john mccain was right about his silly overtures to these thugs

75 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I have to say that I am sorry, if only because Ahmedinejad would reveal to the world the first black-tie leisure suit.

In orange velvet, or purple, do you think?

76 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:40:02pm

re: #48 JohnH

What has he changed? Really, what?

So JohnH..You got that whole dual citizenship going don't you?
Did you enjoy your little smart-ass remark over at LGF2 about Charles?

77 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:40:30pm

re: #62 Charles

I wish he'd stop pressuring Israel for concessions when he's found the Arabs won't give any. Not even ones that would cost them nothing, like overflight rights for El Al.

78 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:40:47pm

re: #62 Charles

I thought the willingness to denigrate the US in general, and the previous administration in particular, in speeches in Europe, was a bad start.

79 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:40:53pm
80 baier  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:00pm

re: #62 Charles

He hasn't been so great for Israel, but I have most of the same complaints with Obama as I had for Bush to be honest.

81 aggieann  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:37pm

FWIW, Charles . . .

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

One Iranian political figure has told a Western intermediary that the Obama administration may have unwittingly encouraged the regime’s power grab by sending two letters to Khamenei before the June election. The first, delivered through Iran’s mission to the United Nations, was a general invitation to dialogue. Khamenei is said to have taken a month to answer, and then only in vague terms. A second Obama administration letter reiterated U.S. interest in engagement. According to the Iranian political figure, this may have emboldened Khamenei and Ahmadinejad to think they had a free hand on June 12.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #76 HoosierHoops

So JohnH..You got that whole dual citizenship going don't you?
Did you enjoy your little smart-ass remark over at LGF2 about Charles?

OH NOES! SUMBODY BUSTED?

83 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

I like it when he lies to the left.

/

84 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #73 Lee Coller

Aside from Afghanistan all the above at first glance seems to be contrary to what his campaign rhetoric was. Do you think he was pandering to his base, or that reality hit him in the face once he took office?

Reality- it has a way of smacking people upside the head.

85 valuepack  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:13pm

OT:

ACORN helps setup a proposed brothel & advises on the tax implications of employing 14yr old El Salvadorian girls as whores. stay classy!

Article:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Video here:
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

86 EaterOfFood  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:26pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

So basically, he's repudiating Bush by doing what Bush did?

87 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:32pm

re: #76 HoosierHoops

So JohnH..You got that whole dual citizenship going don't you?
Did you enjoy your little smart-ass remark over at LGF2 about Charles?

Get some, Hoopster. You GO, Bro.

88 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:37pm

Alright folks, time to gtf out and gtf home. Y'all have a great night!

89 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:47pm

re: #35 yochanan

how long did it take him to notice the blood on the iranian short shits hands after the election protests?

and how long did it take him to notice that Jews are building something in the old hotel that was once owned by the nazi THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM (arafish's uncle)?

well knock me over with a feather.


He just got caught up in the embarassment over Van Jones.
It brings back the memory of a cast of nefarious characters in his life.
'Obamas chickensss, comin home to roost."

90 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:48pm
91 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:54pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I have to say that I am sorry, if only because Ahmedinejad would reveal to the world the first black-tie leisure suit.

If he would just find a hair stylist the man would be a fashion maven.

92 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:42:57pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OH NOES! SUMBODY BUSTED?

Got a face of stone,
And a ghost-written biography.

93 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #80 baier

He hasn't been so great for Israel, but I have most of the same complaints with Obama as I had for Bush to be honest.

I don't see much difference between Obama and Bush on Israel, actually. The Bush administration was constantly demanding that Israel stop settlements too. And the Bush administration was responsible for sending lots and lots of money to Fatah over his term as President.

94 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:44:03pm

re: #90 buzzsawmonkey

WHAT MY BUBBA WOULD SAY HE WILL DO BUBKAS

95 Buck  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #62 Charles

OK, but the Egypt speech was a disaster, and the no new building in Jerusalem was a bust.

What did I hear? 94% of Israelis don't trust him to have Israels best interest at heart?

96 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:44:21pm

re: #13 JohnH

Is that true? Are you posting comments at the stalker site?

97 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:44:26pm

re: #69 Fenway_Nation

...and the pending closure of Gitmo?

& sicin Holder on the CIA.

98 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:44:54pm

re: #85 valuepack

OT:

ACORN helps setup a proposed brothel & advises on the tax implications of employing 14yr old El Salvadorian girls as whores. stay classy!

Article:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Video here:
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Obama: Rahm, I think we are going to need a bigger bus. Call Holder and have him send over a few dozen.

99 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:45:02pm

re: #93 Charles

One of several things Bush did that really pissed me off!

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #65 opnion

You don't think it is because he is afraid that there would be a picture
of him bowing?

"For the last time, the President did not 'kneel before' Achmedinejad. He crouched down out of courtesy so they could speak with their faces at the same level. Dog trainers say it's important."

101 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:45:59pm
102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:46:16pm

See why I don't go to other sites?

That's all I need. My LGF and my facebook pages. And drudge. And my email server. Oh, and porn...
-Navan Johnson

103 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #90 buzzsawmonkey

what, if anything, is the US going to actually do about Iranian nukes--?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Pakistan has them, so well Iran.

104 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:46:36pm

During the war with Hezballah and later with Hamas President Bush took a hands off approach. I REALLY DON'T EXPECT THE ZERO TO DO THAT.

105 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:46:38pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

I think Missile defense is a foreign policy failure problem with his administration. However I love it that he stepped up the tempo by far in hitting the Jihadis in Pakistan, including killing two AQ leaders recently, and Baitullah Mehsud not long ago. He's doing that right. Does that make me a RINO?

106 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:46:38pm

re: #93 Charles

I don't see much difference between Obama and Bush on Israel, actually. The Bush administration was constantly demanding that Israel stop settlements too. And the Bush administration was responsible for sending lots and lots of money to Fatah over his term as President.

It does seem like he is perceived at least to be tougher on Israel, because the Palis have hardened their negotiating positions, insisting on a complete construction freeze including parts of East Jerusalem that most sane people expect to be part of Israel in a final agreement.
Of course, this might be good because it will show people who are paying attention to reality (instead of the MSM) that the Palis are being obstructionist.

107 Kragarghazi  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:47:31pm

Obama Administration suffers another resignation

NEA in politics flap

The communications director for the National Endowment for the Arts is no longer in his job amid a flap over suggestions he suggested artists work to further President Obama's legislative agenda.

A conservative artist writing on the site Big Hollywood first complained that the official, later identified as Yosi Sargent, had been on a conference call with artists aimed at furthering President Obama's legislative agenda -- a bit of a no-no for the agency, which does its best to stay apolitical.

108 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:47:33pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Your parents named you Navan??
I thought mine was bad...
/duck

109 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:47:37pm
110 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

"For the last time, the President did not 'kneel before' Achmedinejad. He crouched down out of courtesy so they could speak with their faces at the same level. Dog trainers say it's important."

Whew that's a relief! Thanks I feel better.

111 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:48:25pm

It's difficult to pronounce "Ahmadinejad" without producing a load of phlegm. That would be a problem at diplomatic dinners.

112 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:48:27pm

Hey JohnH -- cat got your tongue?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:48:32pm

re: #105 Thanos

I think Missile defense is a foreign policy failure problem with his administration. However I love it that he stepped up the tempo by far in hitting the Jihadis in Pakistan, including killing two AQ leaders recently, and Baitullah Mehsud not long ago. He's doing that right. Does that make me a RINO?

In the future, everyone will be a RINO for fifteen minutes.

114 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama Administration suffers another resignation

NEA in politics flap

SURPRISE SURPRISE roflmao

115 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:08pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Staying "Apolitical" yet still in the gutter...

116 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #112 Charles

Hey JohnH -- cat got your tongue?

Somebody just got busted.

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:31pm

re: #112 Charles

(Don't make eye contact. Don't make eye contact. Don't make eye contact. Don't make eye contact. Don't make eye contact...)
-JohnH

118 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:42pm

It won't happen very often, but I'll give Obama a 'thumbs up' for this decision.

119 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:43pm

Uhhh oh.

120 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:55pm
121 humpty dumpty was pushed  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:49:59pm

Good on Obama. Ahmanidejad was afforded an opportunity to improve communications between Iran and the USA when Bam said he would meet without preconditions. Ahmanidejad basically shot him the finger. Obama has learned first-hand what Bush already knew about this clown.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

It does seem like he is perceived at least to be tougher on Israel, because the Palis have hardened their negotiating positions, insisting on a complete construction freeze including parts of East Jerusalem that most sane people expect to be part of Israel in a final agreement.

Again, I don't see any difference there. That's what the Palestinian leaders always do, over and over throughout the entire history of the peace process. They don't need any encouragement to miss opportunities.

123 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #96 Charles

Is that true? Are you posting comments at the stalker site?

Come on Johnny Boy..Come clean.. I've already copy and pasted your comment to Charles early this morning...Tell us about the badge of honor..Man up dude...You can do it

124 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:50:40pm

OMG!
*faints*
... THUD

/related to Charles' post

125 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #93 Charles

I don't see much difference between Obama and Bush on Israel, actually. The Bush administration was constantly demanding that Israel stop settlements too. And the Bush administration was responsible for sending lots and lots of money to Fatah over his term as President.

Bush also said he was going to move our Embassy to Jerusalem, where'd that idea go?

126 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:09pm

the state dept under the current administration says if you are born in Jerusalem (any part) you will not get Israel on your American passport.

f'um

Jerusalem was the Jewish capital when Washington, d.c. Paris, and London were swamps.

127 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:09pm

Thank you, Mr. President, for snubbing this lowlife.

128 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:19pm

re: #118 right_wing2

It won't happen very often, but I'll give Obama a 'thumbs up' for this decision.

His decision was made by the blood in the streets of Tehran in June.. The outcry would have sunk any chance of his health control legislation getting passed

Eye on the prize...

129 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:24pm

re: #112 Charles

Hey JohnH -- cat got your tongue?

Maybe he just doesn't want to choose sides.

130 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:29pm

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
*faints*
... THUD

/related to Charles' post

Good Afternoon Brat! Hope today finds you well

131 cronus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #62 Charles

So far I haven't seen much of the fearful speculation about Obama's projected "disastrous" foreign policies come true. In fact, almost none of it has come true.

We're still in Iraq, we've committed more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has fought against releasing more Abu Ghraib photos. He's fought to retain the wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

That's just off the top of my head. If he had behaved differently on any of those issues, I'd be yelling like everyone else.

It will be interesting to see for how much longer the anti-war Left holds its fire on Obama. The isolationist Right (George Will) couldn't even wait a year.

Obama has continued many of the policies of what the Left would consider the Bush Doctrine and where he has tried to change policy (Gitmo) he has found himself strongly rebuked by both parties in Congress.

I sense that the moonbats have a visceral need to have Bush policies totally illegitimatized and the longer those policies are propitiated by a Democratic President the more they take on the appearance of the kind of bi-partisan approaches that characterized cold war foreign policy.

132 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:51:44pm

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey
Remember when Artists made a living sell art people actually liked looking at?
...
Neither do I!

133 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:02pm

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

The NEA sure monkeys around with things, don't they?

134 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:10pm

This is not an Obama-Bash comment, but in some respects, I wonder if President Obama's troubles nailing down his health care initiative might be the reason he has accepted the status quo in many foreign policy areas?

And if he is able to pass something on health care, will he then turn his attention to some of the foreign policy areas that he pledged to change but has not been able to address yet?

Just asking ...

135 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #132 reloadingisnotahobby

Remember when Artists made a living sell art people actually liked looking at?
...
Neither do I!

That was before the National Endowment for the Arts was created by LBJ

136 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #125 Thanos

Bush also said he was going to move our Embassy to Jerusalem, where'd that idea go?

They all say that, then they conveniently never do it. I believe Clinton said that at one time too. Congress passed a resolution to do so, but every president since then has used an executive order to defer that move.

137 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:18pm
138 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #3 Lee Coller

I wonder if Chavez is getting an invite?

Actually, I'd guess not giving what happened the last time the two met.

What did happen when they met? Wasn't that the time that Chavez gave him a book?

139 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:28pm

re: #128 DrNaughty

His decision was made by the blood in the streets of Tehran in June.. The outcry would have sunk any chance of his health control legislation getting passed

Eye on the prize...

So, you agree that Obama came to a realization that Iran is in the least a problem that can't be solved by sucking up to them?

140 JohnH  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:49pm

re: #112 Charles

Hey JohnH -- cat got your tongue?

Nope. But typical of some. I never called anyone a smart ass. I just pointed out what I was called.

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:52:59pm

re: #29 Charles

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

Yes indeed.
See my #124.

142 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:53:19pm

re: #138 John Neverbend

What did happen when they met? Wasn't that the time that Chavez gave him a book?

Exactly.

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:53:25pm

re: #135 DrNaughty

...That was my point,Thankyou!

144 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #140 JohnH

Nope. But typical of some. I never called anyone a smart ass. I just pointed out what I was called.

I noticed you didn't answer the specific question about the stalker blog.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #125 Thanos

Bush also said he was going to move our Embassy to Jerusalem, where'd that idea go?

I honestly don't see much difference myself, but the last time I expressed that around here, people were aghast.

146 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:54:14pm

re: #140 JohnH

Nope. But typical of some. I never called anyone a smart ass. I just pointed out what I was called.

I guess that's a "yes."

Bye now! Have fun with the stalkers.

147 Bob Dillon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:54:26pm

re: #29 Charles

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

Drivebuy ...
Now I know it doesn't warrant warming up the flying pig - but that was my first thot. Then an alternative popped into my mind - Let's fly the Chicom flag in front of the WH. That will show Dinnerjacket what friends do for friends.

Foolish indeed.

148 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:54:30pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

So, you agree that Obama came to a realization that Iran is in the least a problem that can't be solved by sucking up to them?

Health Reform legislation has been a central tenant of leftist philosophy for decades.. With the government in control of people's heath care, they become dependent on the government litteraly for their very lives.

Much more imporant than Iran which can be dealt with later...

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #126 yochanan

the state dept under the current administration says if you are born in Jerusalem (any part) you will not get Israel on your American passport.

f'um

Jerusalem was the Jewish capital when Washington, d.c. Paris, and London were swamps.

Link? Hadn't heard this.

150 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:55:44pm

frankly i will be honest if that bothers some I AM TOTALLY UNDERWHELMED by this. as I said earlier wake me up when the b-1's are over Iran.

talking or not talking to him will not stop the Iranian nuke program which they want to use to create a second Holocaust.

151 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:55:45pm

Wow!
Cool feature Charles!
I've never heard that "flushing" sound when you "86" an asshole!
Right on!!

152 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:55:47pm

re: #140 JohnH

Nope. But typical of some. I never called anyone a smart ass. I just pointed out what I was called.

I called your comment smart ass...Just so you know pal...

153 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #135 DrNaughty

That was before the National Endowment for the Arts was created by LBJ

Which was what, something new. Support of the arts have been coming from public and private patronage for thousands of years. It's nothing new, it's not a progressive or conservative issue, it's only an issue if someone doesn't like some aspect of it.

I bet I can show you a dozen ways that you benefit from the NEA.

If the NEA is such a problem for you and I point out how you benefit, will you stop supporting certain functions that benefit from the NEA?

154 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:56:10pm

re: #122 Charles

Again, I don't see any difference there. That's what the Palestinian leaders always do, over and over throughout the entire history of the peace process. They don't need any encouragement to miss opportunities.

Oh they do so; I think they don't really want a state, because then they couldn't blame Israel for all their troubles, not that they wouldn't try.

It seems to me that Bush was able to have the pointless Annapolis meetings, though, while the Palis are insisting on terms Netanyahu won't meet.
But as long as Obama doesn't try to force Israel to agree to something they shouldn't, it doesn't bother me that there is no fake peace process going on, because that's all it ever was. And I think Rice should have canceled the Annapolis conference as soon as the Palis refused to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, so I'm not saying Bush was such a great friend of Israel. And Gates has always been pressuring Israel not to attack Iran; no difference there from the late Bush administration.

I have noticedalso less activity from the White House on Israel, so maybe he did learn and will back off for a while.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:56:30pm

re: #132 reloadingisnotahobby

Remember when Artists made a living sell art people actually liked looking at?
...
Neither do I!

Oh, most still do. Look at Thomas Kincaid. Man's richer than God.

156 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:11pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

i don't have a link i was told in person by my son and daughter in law.

157 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:17pm

re: #148 DrNaughty

Health Reform legislation has been a central tenant of leftist philosophy for decades.. With the government in control of people's heath care, they become dependent on the government litteraly for their very lives.

Much more imporant than Iran which can be dealt with later...

Thank you for not answering my question. My question was about Iran, not health care.

Thanks for playing.

158 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:18pm

Despite Calling ‘Death Panels’ Illogical ‘Hysteria’ Last Month, National Review Promotes Them On New Cover

Last month, the National Review editors wrote, “We should be against hysteria.” To conclude that President Obama’s health reforms “will lead to ‘death panels’…is to leap across a logical canyon,” they wrote.

At the time, National Review’s Andrew McCarthy criticized the editors of his own magazine for their admission that the “death panels” controversy was hysteria based on a lie:

The editorial’s contention was that there wouldn’t “literally” be death panels. To me, that’s not much different from quibbling over “what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” The stakes here couldn’t be higher, time is short, and “death panel” cuts to the chase.

Indeed, the cover of the current issue of National Review promotes the “death panel” hysteria. And, McCarthy now believes that his defense of “death panels” hysteria has been vindicated by National Review’s choice of cover art.

Rulez 4 Radikals! Lie for the greater good!

159 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:32pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Which was what, something new. Support of the arts have been coming from public and private patronage for thousands of years. It's nothing new, it's not a progressive or conservative issue, it's only an issue if someone doesn't like some aspect of it.

I bet I can show you a dozen ways that you benefit from the NEA.

If the NEA is such a problem for you and I point out how you benefit, will you stop supporting certain functions that benefit from the NEA?

There is nothing wrong with a private endowment for the arts. Nor is there anything wrong with public support for museums and historical sites.

However, the NEA has given us art that only an artist can appreciate...

160 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:36pm

re: #140 JohnH

RADIOLOGICAL ALARM
Inbound Nuclear Ordnance

161 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:57:48pm

We need sound effects ... like the slamming of an old screen door echoing down the hall.

162 Right mind left  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:58:00pm

Hang on, there are several things I am still really concerned about.

First, his stance on Honduras is insane.

Second, he is going to sit down and speak at the UN, something we have refused to do thus far - with terrorists like dinner jacket, Chavez and many nutcases from the middle east...and his whole stance with allies like Israel and other in Asia. Oh, and the billions that are pouring into Palestine and other places while he makes this weird insane stand against Honduras with pulling visas and aid?

How is not inviting dinner jacket to a reception any big statement???

163 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:58:27pm

re: #29 Charles

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

It is!

164 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:58:36pm

re: #68 yochanan

the only thing that will stop the iranian nuke program to wipe out the jewish state and create a second holocoust is something with very high explosives of one kind or another.

frankly not having the short shit at a party doesn't cut it.

i would sit here and laugh but i am not in that kind of mood.

IRAN + NUKES = WW3

DING ! ! !

165 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:58:57pm

re: #159 DrNaughty

There is nothing wrong with a private endowment for the arts. Nor is there anything wrong with public support for museums and historical sites.

However, the NEA has given us art that only an artist can appreciate...

ONLY. You want me to show you where you are wrong? You want me to show you how you benefit from the NEA every year?

166 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:58:59pm

re: #162 Right mind left

Hang on, there are several things I am still really concerned about.

First, his stance on Honduras is insane.

Second, he is going to sit down and speak at the UN, something we have refused to do thus far - with terrorists like dinner jacket, Chavez and many nutcases from the middle east...and his whole stance with allies like Israel and other in Asia. Oh, and the billions that are pouring into Palestine and other places while he makes this weird insane stand against Honduras with pulling visas and aid?

How is not inviting dinner jacket to a reception any big statement???

As the U.N headquarters is in New York, for decades we have allowed the scum of the earth to speak at it. Even the North Koreans have a UN delegation...

167 right_wing2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:59:13pm

re: #132 reloadingisnotahobby

But if government doesn't pay for art, we're censoring it. We're hindering the artists freedom of expression! The ONLY way an artist can survive is if the government pays for it.

///

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:59:24pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Which was what, something new. Support of the arts have been coming from public and private patronage for thousands of years. It's nothing new, it's not a progressive or conservative issue, it's only an issue if someone doesn't like some aspect of it.

I bet I can show you a dozen ways that you benefit from the NEA.

If the NEA is such a problem for you and I point out how you benefit, will you stop supporting certain functions that benefit from the NEA?

My school got a grant from the NEA this year. We now have a set of beautiful laminated posters of American art. The history department is loving it.

169 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:59:26pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Despite Calling ‘Death Panels’ Illogical ‘Hysteria’ Last Month, National Review Promotes Them On New Cover

Rulez 4 Radikals! Lie for the greater good!

Oh man. That's one of the most screwed-up cover illustrations I've ever seen. Could they possibly be any more blatant with the fear mongering?

And please note that the featured author, Wesley J. Smith, is a creationist and a "senior fellow" at the Discovery Institute.

170 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:59:47pm

re: #162 Right mind left

Obama makes a really mean crab dip.. he's going to miss out on it entirely.

171 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:00:17pm

re: #169 Charles

You Lie!
/Joe Wilson

172 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:00:37pm

re: #151 reloadingisnotahobby

Wow!
Cool feature Charles!
I've never heard that "flushing" sound when you "86" an asshole!
Right on!!

I'm impressed with the ding and gong sounds when folks up/down ding a comment.
Very cool!

173 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:00:46pm

re: #118 right_wing2

It won't happen very often, but I'll give Obama a 'thumbs up' for this decision.

Oh, I'll "thumbs up" every good decision, trying to train him into good behavior.

"Reward the unusual behavior", as they used to tell me in dog-training.

174 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:00:50pm

re: #134 _RememberTonyC

This is not an Obama-Bash comment, but in some respects, I wonder if President Obama's troubles nailing down his health care initiative might be the reason he has accepted the status quo in many foreign policy areas?

And if he is able to pass something on health care, will he then turn his attention to some of the foreign policy areas that he pledged to change but has not been able to address yet?

Just asking ...

Oh sure , just because he & Michelle went to Palistinian fund raisers back in Hyde Park , with lots of Israeli bashing.
Hey he heard nothing , just like all of those times in Rev Wrights Church

175 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Despite Calling ‘Death Panels’ Illogical ‘Hysteria’ Last Month, National Review Promotes Them On New Cover


Rulez 4 Radikals! Lie for the greater good!


They must have taken a Page out of BO's handbook.

176 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:01:19pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

My school got a grant from the NEA this year. We now have a set of beautiful laminated posters of American art. The history department is loving it.

That was going to be my first example to Dr. on how he benefits from the NEA... schools, there has been over 2000 different grants given to schools and school teachers for art supplies and so on. And I don't remember a single "piss christ" exhibit among them.

177 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:01:19pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

RADIOLOGICAL ALARM
Inbound Nuclear Ordnance

Wow. You just gave me a total flashback. 2 AM, pipeline road in Saudi just south of the Iraq border and most of us are asleep. Loud rumblings wake most of us from overhead aircraft and artillery... the rest are woken up by the sound of metal on metal.

There are lots of sounds you don't wanna hear in combat and metal on metal is one of them. Blam 85 soldiers on their feet scrambling for their MOPP gear. 16 hours in MOPP 4 before we were able to stand down.

This happened a lot more times but that very first time for a new combat vet was scary as hell. FYI if you aren't military Metal on Metal is the universal warning for an NBC (Nuclear/Biological/Chemical) attack.

178 Right mind left  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #170 cliffster

Obama makes a really mean crab dip.. he's going to miss out on it entirely.

Oh that's right. And he serves cool beer. Yeah, that would really make dinner jacket unclench!

//

179 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #167 right_wing2

re: #172 unrealizedviewpoint

Yet people are censcored all the time...
How many cases are there over flag display...
Patriotic expression...
Makes me ill...

180 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #164 callahan23

thank you

181 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:02:16pm

The charge of the massive job has taken hold.

182 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:02:31pm

re: #172 unrealizedviewpoint

Thanks!!
I was worried those were in my head!
LOL

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:03:15pm

Me get no sounds.:(

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:03:57pm

re: #156 yochanan

i don't have a link i was told in person by my son and daughter in law.

Here we go, I found it. Sounds like this is a fight that's been going on a while though, and is not specific to the Obama administration.

Sucks, regardless.

185 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

Me get no sounds.:(


I don't either I thought it was just me...thought I was going deaf.

186 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:04:12pm

re: #172 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm impressed with the ding and gong sounds when folks up/down ding a comment.
Very cool!

I just tried it - I don't believe I got a sound? Yes, I did refresh the page before trying.

187 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #173 Dianna

Oh, I'll "thumbs up" every good decision, trying to train him into good behavior.

"Reward the unusual behavior", as they used to tell me in dog-training.

Ring a bell and give him a smoke every time he gives Iran the cold shoulder. Pretty soon, all you have to do is ring the bell and he'll tell Ahmanidejad to f*** off.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:04:45pm

re: #185 code red 21

I don't either I thought it was just me...thought I was going deaf.

I thought I was going dumb. Still do.
/

189 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:04:59pm
190 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:05:03pm

frankly this is all a pr stunt for the home front

it will have didley squat of a effect on the Iranian short shits genocidal programs.

191 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:05:40pm

re: #115 reloadingisnotahobby

Staying "Apolitical" yet still in the gutter...

Being political only offends half the populace. They are trying to offend much more than that.

192 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:06:02pm

OT:

Are you ready for some football?

193 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:06:07pm

re: #190 yochanan

frankly this is all a pr stunt for the home front

it will have didley squat of a effect on the Iranian short shits genocidal programs.

Meeting Amadmanonjihad would send a message of approval, though, that I'd rather not get sent.

194 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:06:20pm

re: #172 unrealizedviewpoint
Ah ..Geeez...
Now look what we've started!
Everyone wants it!
Buisness opportunity??

195 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:06:30pm

re: #187 cliffster

Ring a bell and give him a smoke every time he gives Iran the cold shoulder. Pretty soon, all you have to do is ring the bell and he'll tell Ahmanidejad to f*** off.

What a happy thought!

196 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:06:43pm

re: #192 Fenway_Nation

OT:

Are you ready for some football?

I will repeat with great fervor... GO STEELERS!!!

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:00pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

That was going to be my first example to Dr. on how he benefits from the NEA... schools, there has been over 2000 different grants given to schools and school teachers for art supplies and so on. And I don't remember a single "piss christ" exhibit among them.

Washington Crossing The Delaware is now prominently displayed in Mrs. Callahan's U.S. History room. The others I saw were Native American painting (traditional stuff), and some of those gorgeous nineteenth century landscapes of Yosemite and such, with all the light and the Byronic waterfalls. There's lots of others. Portraits. Things like that.

198 cronus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:01pm

As for the substance of the NRO cover story...I haven't heard about the "growing acceptance of euthanasia". Is there something to it?

199 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:23pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

That was going to be my first example to Dr. on how he benefits from the NEA... schools, there has been over 2000 different grants given to schools and school teachers for art supplies and so on. And I don't remember a single "piss christ" exhibit among them.

Seems to me there is quite a bit of difference between supplying brushes, easels, oil pant, etc... for students in an art class, than supporting artists that can't manage to survive without working off government grants, as what they produce doesn't seem to want to sell in the private marketplace

200 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:35pm

Well this is fine as far as it goes.

And Uncle Jimbo has something interesting to say over at Blackfive.

201 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

Urine a lot of trouble, saying that. Need I tell you what we think of men of your kidney?

Hi Buzz. Do you know why you rarely ever see me using puns. I hate them. Nothing personal. But I hate them. And I don't even find them punny.

Otherwise, how are you? Ha, tomorrow the weather guys are warning Denver of only a high in the mid 70's tomorrow, and 40's Friday night. That means freezing at 8200 feet Friday night.

I guess we have about 12 more hours of summer left.

202 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:08:00pm

re: #198 cronus

As for the substance of the NRO cover story...I haven't heard about the "growing acceptance of euthanasia". Is there something to it?

Besides hyperbole and fear mongering? I don't think so.

203 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:08:32pm

re: #140 JohnH

Nope. But typical of some. I never called anyone a smart ass. I just pointed out what I was called.

I cross referenced the comment you made here that you quoted at LGF2..
JohnH is a sock puppet of someone else here isn't it? Send your socket master back here..I'm sure Charles would love to X-Ref the IP..

204 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:08:34pm

re: #194 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah ..Geeez...
Now look what we've started!
Everyone wants it!
Buisness opportunity??

I don't believe the dingers are adequately utilized. Until folks more readily ding when appropriate, they deserve no sound.

205 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:08:38pm

re: #193 Kosh's Shadow

i would support a one time meeting
you will end your nuke program or else ...

anything short of that just gives them the time to finish the job of building the bombs

206 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:09:32pm

re: #180 yochanan

Well deserved.
As long as western policies are geared towards making nice diplo-talk with thugs, racists, monsters, dictators, anti-Semites and all manner of unsavory creeps I will not be at all convinced of their conviction to fight evil.
Because it really exist (in mankind, that is).

207 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #203 HoosierHoops

Nice job, Hoops.

208 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #199 DrNaughty

Seems to me there is quite a bit of difference between supplying brushes, easels, oil pant, etc... for students in an art class, than supporting artists that can't manage to survive without working off government grants, as what they produce doesn't seem to want to sell in the private marketplace

Seems to me that an all inclusive statement like... "However, the NEA has given us art that only an artist can appreciate..." is patently wrong... period. That's my question to you, and you have not answered it yet.

You still stand by that statement?

209 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #29 Charles

Uh. I'll just point out that there was considerable angst over Obama's campaign promise to sit down with Iran without pre-conditions.

He seems to have completely abandoned that foolish pledge, which really ought to be seen as very good news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled 8-year hate.

The non-invitation seems to be a slap in the face for Ahmadinejad on a personal level, but unfortunately it is hardly a repudiation of Obama's campaign promise.

210 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:24pm

re: #198 cronus

As for the substance of the NRO cover story...I haven't heard about the "growing acceptance of euthanasia". Is there something to it?

I see nothing abhorrent about a decision made by a patient and a doctor or the patient's family to allow a person to die with dignity.

However, a decision made for economic reasons as the cost of the treatment for an ill person is more expensive than what the health care provider is willing to pay is quite another matter.

211 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:31pm

re: #206 callahan23

It does exist, history would be totally different if it did not.

212 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:40pm
213 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton
Are the colors changing at home?
It's 99 outside right now,yet 86 in Saint George...Odd!

214 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:11:10pm
215 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:11:21pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Seems to me that an all inclusive statement like... "However, the NEA has given us art that only an artist can appreciate..." is patently wrong... period. That's my question to you, and you have not answered it yet.

You still stand by that statement?

There is a difference between supply the material to create Art and subsiding the talent of the artist..

216 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:11:39pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I recall tossing a pun based upon "Maisey" at you several months ago.
I shall endeavor to remember not to do that again.

217 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:11:43pm

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought I was going dumb. Still do.
/

It's not you it's everybody else at least that's what I tell myself.

218 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:12:22pm
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be unlikely to receive an invitation to a reception US President Barack Obama will host in New York later this month, the White House said Thursday.

I hope "will be unlikely to" will change to "won't".

I wonder if Glen Beck will stick up for Mahmoud just so he can stay on record as being diametrically opposed to Obama on all issues.

219 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:12:29pm
220 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:12:35pm

re: #213 reloadingisnotahobby

80F in San Fran now, and the same for tomorrow. Indian Summer is upon us.

221 Kragarghazi  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:12:48pm

Less than 50% of Cash for Clunkers actually went to pay for the cars

WASHINGTON – Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says the government has approved $1.22 billion in reimbursements to car dealers for sales under the Cash for Clunkers program.

LaHood said Thursday the government is on track to pay eligible dealers by a Sept. 30 deadline. More than 40 percent of the applications from dealers have been paid.

The rebates led to more than 690,000 new car sales at a taxpayer cost of $2.88 billion. Auto dealers have said the Obama administration has been slow to pay them for the car incentives, which ended on Aug. 24.

So where did the other 1.66 billion go?

222 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:12:51pm

Heh, If health care reform is passed, you will die. It almost has to be satirical.

223 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:13:41pm

A small piece of good news (assuming that the "doubtful" invitation actually goes through to being a "non"-invitation).

As to Obama's foreign policy in general: Okay, good he's not cutting and running on Iraq, good that he's committing more resources to Afghanistan. Bad that he's pressuring Israel while yawning at Pali thuggery; bad that we've teamed up with Hugo Chavez to try to re-install one of his minions in Honduras.

/off the top of my head

224 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #220 mikalm

80F in San Fran now, and the same for tomorrow. Indian Summer is upon us.

Be a dear and push that weather into Saturday. Report says a high of 65 on Saturday and we are coming in to the city for the Power to the Peaceful concert. My wife is a California girl who freezes if it's under 85.

225 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:13:53pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Where Walter is concerned, I shall subject myself to appundectomy.

When I remember to.

Then it will only be you left in stitches, as opposed to the rest of us.

226 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:04pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Where Walter is concerned, I shall subject myself to appundectomy.

When I remember to.

Noone likes to see the poor fellow punished.

227 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:05pm

re: #220 mikalm

To bad my favorite lake for boating is a puddle ...
Launch ramp is 40 feet out of the water.:-(

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #222 cliffster

Heh, If health care reform is passed, you will die. It almost has to be satirical.

And if health care reform is not passed, I will also die. There's no 'live forever' option on the table.

229 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:14pm

re: #215 DrNaughty

a left wing hate america artist is a dog bite man story
a right wing pro israel artist is a man bite dog story.

yum that dog was good and tastie
just kidding i know dog isn't kosher.

230 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #214 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry you feel that way, Walter. I'll try and direct fewer of them in your direction, but I hope you understand that it is a reflex, or the next thing to it. Think of it as Dictionarial Tourette's Syndrome. My esteem for you remains unimpaired, if mildly disappointed.

As to summer, we've got that nice autumnal snap in the air here, and I'm trying to remember Thomas Hardy's "Weathers."

So that is your and so many others affliction ? ///
Keep on with your "Dictionarial Tourette's Syndrome"!

231 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:14:47pm

re: #224 Locker

Be a dear and push that weather into Saturday. Report says a high of 65 on Saturday and we are coming in to the city for the Power to the Peaceful concert. My wife is a California girl who freezes if it's under 85.

The first time I visited San Francisco I was suprised the hotel room (a B&B) did not have air conditioning.

Then I realized that even in August, it was unnecessary.

232 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #224 Locker

Be a dear and push that weather into Saturday. Report says a high of 65 on Saturday and we are coming in to the city for the Power to the Peaceful concert. My wife is a California girl who freezes if it's under 85.

Looks like mid-60s for Saturday, unfortunately.

And nothing personal, but I avoid that event like the proverbial plague.

233 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #229 yochanan


just kidding i know dog isn't kosher.

Doesn't that depend on how it's slaughtered?

234 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:22pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

And if health care reform is not passed, I will also die. There's no 'live forever' option on the table.

This is unacceptable. When is Congress finally going to stop the partisan bickering and do something about this Human Mortality problem?

235 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:32pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Less than 50% of Cash for Clunkers actually went to pay for the cars

So where did the other 1.66 billion go?

It appears they've approved 1.22 Billion of the 2.88 Billion outstanding. I don't think it's lost.

236 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:39pm

re: #205 yochanan

i would support a one time meeting
you will end your nuke program or else ...

anything short of that just gives them the time to finish the job of building the bombs

I agree, and that this wouldn't have been such a meeting.

237 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:40pm

re: #231 DrNaughty

To my wife "B&B = Bath & Beyond...

238 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #213 reloadingisnotahobby

Are the colors changing at home?
It's 99 outside right now,yet 86 in Saint George...Odd!

We have aspen turning gold already.

239 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:47pm
240 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:16:57pm

re: #234 cliffster

This is unacceptable. When is Congress finally going to stop the partisan bickering and do something about this Human Mortality problem?

Fund Android creation...

241 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:02pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

The non-invitation seems to be a slap in the face for Ahmadinejad on a personal level, but unfortunately it is hardly a repudiation of Obama's campaign promise.

You're right, after all he DID invite Ahmadinejad to dinner at the White House to discuss allowing Iran to get nukes...

Oh, wait. You mean he didn't?

242 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:19pm

re: #240 DrNaughty

Fund Android creation...

No, no, no! That leads to Daleks and worse.

243 shimoda  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:26pm

As always I'm late to the party (or thread) and must repost this before I go to bed. Sorry for wasting bits.

---

As time here in The Land of a 1000 Lakes is past midnight now and it is the 11:th of September here let me offer my greetings and salutations to you in the USA on this "day of infamy".

And let me also say how it sorrows me to see the USA I admired as a youth, growing up in the 60:s and 70:s, tearing itself apart in struggling to cope with the new realities of the world and your new administration.

You ARE a truly amazing nation and I hope that you can bring the kooks under control before they destroy all that is good with America.

And I am truly appalled that Charles has to suffer threats just because he has chosen to be a voice for reason and sanity in a crazy blogosphere. Were I not a godless atheist I would pray for your good health. Now I can only wish you good health, and keep up the good fight.

244 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:30pm

OT: Here's a cool-headed conservative critique of the ObamaCare speech, from the Wall Street Journal. Pull quote:

The speech was especially notable for its use of one of Mr. Obama's favorite rhetorical devices: Noting in the first instance that his opponents have a good point, and entirely legitimate concerns, only to reject their ideas in toto when it comes to policy. Thus he endorsed the public's concern about the competence of government to manage one-sixth of the economy, only to finish with a soaring oration about the moral necessity of letting government do so.

245 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #37 Charles

Looks like Jawa Report is coming out full-on for Robert Spencer today. "Stop, Charles, just stop!"

That is quite unfortunate. Looks like more who mistake you for anti-Christian. That's sometimes the missing piece when I don't understand a flounce.

246 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:51pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See why I don't go to other sites?

That's all I need. My LGF and my facebook pages. And drudge. And my email server. Oh, and porn...
-Navan Johnson

I was born a poor conservative child...

247 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:17:52pm

re: #242 Guanxi88

No, no, no! That leads to Daleks and worse.

Robbie the Robot is cool

248 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:18:02pm

re: #129 cliffster

Maybe he just doesn't want to choose sides.

"Choose sides?"

What does this mean in the context of the stalker blog? Do you really think they have a "side?"

249 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:18:04pm

re: #215 DrNaughty

There is a difference between supply the material to create Art and subsiding the talent of the artist..

No, you refuse to answer my question.

What ever.

250 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:18:11pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

I can see alittle here from the valley floor...Must take a drive this Sunday...Maybe fish a little in the higher lakes.

251 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:18:33pm

re: #247 DrNaughty

Robbie the Robot is cool

Marvin.

252 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:18:55pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Where Walter is concerned, I shall subject myself to appundectomy.

When I remember to.

Meaning that you'll attempt Tourette-ify your prior behaviour?

253 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:02pm
254 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:05pm

re: #241 Charles

You're right, after all he DID invite Ahmadinejad to dinner at the White House to discuss allowing Iran to get nukes...

Oh, wait. You mean he didn't?

In all fairness, DinnerJacket has said there is nothing to discuss. They are going forward with the program. Period.

255 Danny  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #172 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm impressed with the ding and gong sounds when folks up/down ding a comment.
Very cool!

Are y'all serious? I didn't hear anything. I want Lizard sound FX!

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Wordplay for me is a kind of verbal ping-pong.

You should be paddled for that!

257 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:39pm

re: #241 Charles

You're right, after all he DID invite Ahmadinejad to dinner at the White House to discuss allowing Iran to get nukes...

Oh, wait. You mean he didn't?

No, but we've been begging for "talks" with the Iranians on the subject, and doing little else.

258 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:49pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

That was going to be my first example to Dr. on how he benefits from the NEA... schools, there has been over 2000 different grants given to schools and school teachers for art supplies and so on. And I don't remember a single "piss christ" exhibit among them.

A good friend of mine, after graduating with honors from Alfred University in ceramics, set up his own studio. After a couple of years, the NEA gave him a grant for some expensive equipment he never could have afforded on his own that make it possible for him to turn out, for example, dinnerware pieces to a precision that's demanded by most customers and that's hard to achieve by hand; turns out that plates may have that warm, fuzzy, individual quality when they're completely handmade, but it sucks when they won't stack properly, and customers start muttering about the damn stoned hippies.

They've provided similar grants for other artists in the area; in every case, the money went for studio improvements, not for specific artwork, and was based on both need and the likelihood that the equipment would boost the artist's revenue.

The sum total of such grants nationwide is a pittance. I have no problem seeing my tax dollars used for such things.

259 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:19:54pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

That is quite unfortunate. Looks like more who mistake you for anti-Christian. That's sometimes the missing piece when I don't understand a flounce.

It's astounding to me that they're taking that attitude, because they are essentially siding with extremist bigots who call themselves Christians -- and just ignoring the whole issue of their bizarre homophobic statements.

It's anti-Christian to be against hanging out with people who call Hillary Clinton an evil lesbian who wants to pervert the youth of America? Wow.

260 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #248 Charles

"Choose sides?"

What does this mean in the context of the stalker blog? Do you really think they have a "side?"

I was referring to a certain Brian not wanting to "choose sides" yesterday. Or day before.

261 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:20pm

re: #244 Occasional Reader

one of Mr. Obama's favorite rhetorical devices: Noting in the first instance that his opponents have a good point, and entirely legitimate concerns, only to reject their ideas in toto when it comes to policy.

That's just your basic Dale Carnegie.

/I got the pen and the letter opener!

262 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:45pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Where Walter is concerned, I shall subject myself to appundectomy.

When I remember to.

Don't be too concerned, his opinion carries little weight, a mere Newton.
/couldn't resist Walter.

263 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:48pm

re: #258 SixDegrees

A good friend of mine, after graduating with honors from Alfred University in ceramics, set up his own studio. After a couple of years, the NEA gave him a grant for some expensive equipment he never could have afforded on his own that make it possible for him to turn out, for example, dinnerware pieces to a precision that's demanded by most customers and that's hard to achieve by hand; turns out that plates may have that warm, fuzzy, individual quality when they're completely handmade, but it sucks when they won't stack properly, and customers start muttering about the damn stoned hippies.

They've provided similar grants for other artists in the area; in every case, the money went for studio improvements, not for specific artwork, and was based on both need and the likelihood that the equipment would boost the artist's revenue.

The sum total of such grants nationwide is a pittance. I have no problem seeing my tax dollars used for such things.

Those sound more like SBA loans...

264 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:48pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

No, but we've been begging for "talks" with the Iranians on the subject, and doing little else.

As opposed to the Bush administration, who did so very much to stop Iran from getting nukes...

Oh, wait.

265 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You should be paddled for that!

Oh, come on. On a net basis, buzzsaw's puns are pretty good.

266 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:21:07pm

re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice job, Hoops.

They published my name on the Internet out of spite...I'm a Global Network Administrator and have been attacked by them cause I think Charles is a pretty fucking cool guy with a great blog...
I'm been called an intellectual lightweight among numerous insults...
The blog administrators just terrifies me with their smarts over there...They got my attention now..Expect a bot to read every post and report to me with your bullshit via filters...And spelling Charles name backwards is just genius cause nobody could figure that crap out...They'll mess up and mess up bad...
In MJ's words... I'll be there..
Enjoy Stalkers..You picked the wrong target

267 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:21:15pm

re: #255 Danny

LOL
I'm sorry Charles...
I shall put myself in the corner...
but ..but ...Unrealizedviewpoint helped!!!

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:21:43pm

re: #254 unrealizedviewpoint

In all fairness, DinnerJacket has said there is nothing to discuss. They are going forward with the program. Period.

And Mousavi agrees, so...not so much to talk about.

269 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Less than 50% of Cash for Clunkers actually went to pay for the cars

So where did the other 1.66 billion go?

It looks like they're referring to the 40% that's been distributed. The math works out pretty closely.

270 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #203 HoosierHoops

I cross referenced the comment you made here that you quoted at LGF2..
JohnH is a sock puppet of someone else here isn't it?

I suspect you're right. Those deranged morons do that all the time.

271 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:16pm

When heads of state are meeting or snubbing each other one on one it rarely involves substantial diplomacy...it is just the pasties part. It is the behind the scenes work that is where it all happens. To that end there are probably very few people who truly know the state of US - Iran policy.

272 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #229 yochanan

a left wing hate america artist is a dog bite man story
a right wing pro israel artist is a man bite dog story.

yum that dog was good and tastie
just kidding i know dog isn't kosher.

Unless it is a kosher hot dog.

Way off the subject, Mickey Katz did a parody of the song "Cry of the Wild Goose" (not that I've ever heard that song), "Cry of devilde Kotche" (Kotche is Yiddish for goose).
It takes place at a kosher butcher shop in the day when you could buy live fowl and have it scheckted (kosher killed), and has the goose crying over being sold.
At the end of it, the goose sings
"Goodbye, little chickens, and don't forget to say kaddish"

(Kaddish is said for the deceased.)

273 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:30pm

re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You should be paddled for that!

What type of racket do you choose?

274 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:32pm

OT: Should I even be looking for employment at a railway company that's clearly using doctored photos of other locomotives/railways/locations on their website?

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:22:48pm

re: #265 Occasional Reader

Oh, come on. On a net basis, buzzsaw's puns are pretty good.

But his balls are hollow.

276 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #264 Charles

As opposed to the Bush administration, who did so very much to stop Iran from getting nukes...

Oh, wait.

Never said that I thought Bush did enough.

But he at least avoided the unseemly spectacle of repeated pleas to just "talk".

277 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:23:30pm

re: #274 Fenway_Nation

OT: Should I even be looking for employment at a railway company that's clearly using doctored photos of other locomotives/railways/locations on their website?

Fake but Accurate?

278 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:23:42pm

re: #264 Charles

As opposed to the Bush administration, who did so very much to stop Iran from getting nukes...

Oh, wait.

It can be argued that the extreme partisan bickering of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the division of the country by the left with regards to the Global War on Terror caused paralysis in the Bush Administration.

Cheney has said that he would not have objected to military action to address the Iranian nuclear issue...

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #274 Fenway_Nation

OT: Should I even be looking for employment at a railway company that's clearly using doctored photos of other locomotives/railways/locations on their website?

If you can photoshop, yes.

280 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:13pm

re: #273 callahan23

What type of racket do you choose?

Nope! The topic in ping-pong.
You'll have to table your remark.

281 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:13pm

re: #274 Fenway_Nation

OT: Should I even be looking for employment at a railway company that's clearly using doctored photos of other locomotives/railways/locations on their website?

Depends. If their financial statements and payroll checks aren't doctored, and you can live with yourself, why not?

282 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:17pm

re: #259 Charles

It's astounding to me that they're taking that attitude, because they are essentially siding with extremist bigots who call themselves Christians -- and just ignoring the whole issue of their bizarre homophobic statements.

It's anti-Christian to be against hanging out with people who call Hillary Clinton an evil lesbian who wants to pervert the youth of America? Wow.

In the comments EDL is "defended" by a link to MPACUK saying EDL has connections to Zionists.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:29pm

re: #277 ArchangelMichael

Fake but Accurate?

Throbbing Locomotive Memo.

284 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:42pm

re: #248 Charles

"Choose sides?"

What does this mean in the context of the stalker blog? Do you really think they have a "side?"

Yes, they have a side. The dark side.
I'll stay here with the sane people, thank you.

285 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:24:45pm

re: #277 ArchangelMichael

Are Dan Rather and Mary Mapes doing web design now?

Maybe I could fax them a note from my long-deceased commander in the Texas Air National Guard.

286 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #264 Charles

As opposed to the Bush administration, who did so very much to stop Iran from getting nukes...

Oh, wait.

Dubya managed to get three separate UN sanctions against Iran passed for their continuing nuclear-weapons-pursuing activities; I can't recall Obama even trying to pass a fourth

287 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:25:14pm

re: #250 reloadingisnotahobby

I can see alittle here from the valley floor...Must take a drive this Sunday...Maybe fish a little in the higher lakes.

Are you here in my area? Or are you talking about your area?

288 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:25:35pm

re: #241 Charles

You're right, after all he DID invite Ahmadinejad to dinner at the White House to discuss allowing Iran to get nukes...

Oh, wait. You mean he didn't?

During the campaign IIRC candidate Obama made it clear that his willingness to engage with Iran without preconditions did not necessarily mean that he would meet with Ahmadinejad. He publicly contemplated the possibility of meeting with the appropriate Iranian leader(s) other than Ahmadinejad.
So actually, Obama is still on side with his stupid campaign promise.

289 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:25:37pm

re: #280 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope! The topic in ping-pong.
You'll have to table your remark.

The table isn't rebounding-ball sports in general? You must be jai! A'lai, is what that is, a filthy, stinking lai!

290 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #286 Salamantis

Dubya managed to get three separate UN sanctions against Iran passed for their continuing nuclear-weapons-pursuing activities; I can't recall Obama even trying to pass a fourth

A blockade of gasoline shipments to Iran would be very effective

291 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #263 DrNaughty

Those sound more like SBA loans...

Well they are not. it's NEA money, you know, that NEA that you don't like.

292 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:21pm

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, they have a side. The dark side.
I'll stay here with the sane people, thank you.

If only you knew the power of the dark side, Kosh.

/by the way, I'm your father

293 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:28pm

re: #37 Charles

Looks like Jawa Report is coming out full-on for Robert Spencer today. "Stop, Charles, just stop!"

Stop? Is he talking about Spencer who's now in company with the deranged crazies at the stalker site? I've go a screen shot of his comment and this alleged "scholar" is keeping company with Rodan and Savage? After the things that the owner of the site posts there?

Is there any logic to these people?

294 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:37pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton
Central Utah...
I'm a mile high and the mountians max at 11,000 to 12,900
Fishlake National Forest...

295 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:26:42pm

re: #286 Salamantis

Dubya managed to get three separate UN sanctions against Iran passed for their continuing nuclear-weapons-pursuing activities; I can't recall Obama even trying to pass a fourth

"Stop or else we we get very angry, and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are."

296 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:27:01pm

frankly i am not getting on the zero love train.

this was all about local PR. the current occupant of penn. ave has been getting a lot of pressure from the jewish comm. on iran and other issues he has even offended some of his liberal jewish supporters.
no one in Iran will even know about this.

297 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:27:13pm
298 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:27:22pm

re: #290 DrNaughty

A blockade of gasoline shipments to Iran would be very effective

Especially if something...umm...happened to their only gasoline refinery...

299 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:27:42pm

re: #274 Fenway_Nation

OT: Should I even be looking for employment at a railway company that's clearly using doctored photos of other locomotives/railways/locations on their website?

Maybe you can train them to do better.
Or maybe they'd ride you out on a rail.

300 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:28:01pm

re: #258 SixDegrees

A good friend of mine, after graduating with honors from Alfred University in ceramics, set up his own studio. After a couple of years, the NEA gave him a grant for some expensive equipment he never could have afforded on his own that make it possible for him to turn out, for example, dinnerware pieces to a precision that's demanded by most customers and that's hard to achieve by hand; turns out that plates may have that warm, fuzzy, individual quality when they're completely handmade, but it sucks when they won't stack properly, and customers start muttering about the damn stoned hippies.

They've provided similar grants for other artists in the area; in every case, the money went for studio improvements, not for specific artwork, and was based on both need and the likelihood that the equipment would boost the artist's revenue.

The sum total of such grants nationwide is a pittance. I have no problem seeing my tax dollars used for such things.

No kidding. And for full disclosure, I have never received any money directly, or even benefited "cash in my pocket" wise from NEA money.

And the amount spent on projects like "piss christ" is even smaller.

When was the last time there was any questionable art like that connected to an NEA grant or NEA money?

Can't even name on?

301 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #294 reloadingisnotahobby

Central Utah...
I'm a mile high and the mountians max at 11,000 to 12,900
Fishlake National Forest...

Got it.

302 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

Can you post some reggae? Something to do with Jai Alai Selassie?

Stop being so confrontóntional.

303 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:29:02pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Stop? Is he talking about Spencer who's now in company with the deranged crazies at the stalker site? I've go a screen shot of his comment and this alleged "scholar" is keeping company with Rodan and Savage? After the things that the owner of the site posts there?

Is there any logic to these people?

They just don't care about any of that. What's important to them is that Spencer hates Muslims, the English Defense League hates Muslims, and the Christian Action Network really hates Muslims.

Hmm. I'm beginning to see a common theme.

304 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:29:11pm

re: #292 Occasional Reader

If only you knew the power of the dark side, Kosh.

/by the way, I'm your father

The Shadows know the power of the dark side.

305 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:29:44pm

Perhaps we should just squash this pun thread right here.

306 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:29:59pm

re: #281 Guanxi88


The thing is, this is one of those outfits that runs several disconnected shortline or reigonal railways and have already established a sort of uniform corporate image on their motive power...plus they already run through some visually striking scenery in the Ozarks, New England, Great Plains or Mojave Desert..

307 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:30:16pm
308 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:30:17pm

re: #303 Charles

They just don't care about any of that. What's important to them is that Spencer hates Muslims, the English Defense League hates Muslims, and the Christian Action Network really hates Muslims.

Hmm. I'm beginning to see a common theme.

Three iterations of the word "hate!"

Yes, that's it, hate.

309 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #298 Salamantis

Especially if something...umm...happened to their only gasoline refinery...

Unnecessary. the Iranian consumer demand for gasoline far outstips the amount their little refinery can produce.

There is also a bottleneck that goes through Karachi than can be exploited against them.

Most Iranians are pro western and very pro-American.. the key to a regime change comes from the Iranian people and encouraging thier dissent.

In additon, federal funding of Farsi radio and television satellite signals into Iran would also be very effective, as Tehran is covered with satellite dishes...

310 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:30:51pm

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

Before posting a YouTube of "Selassie, Come Home?"

No, that movie always makes me feel too melancollie.

311 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:31:02pm

re: #289 Occasional Reader

The table isn't rebounding-ball sports in general? You must be jai! A'lai, is what that is, a filthy, stinking lai!

Are you trying to put the ball in my court?

312 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:31:56pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

Perhaps we should just squash this pun thread right here.

And what if Repunzels parents had said that? Grimm, very Grimm.

313 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:32:07pm

I see that Jawa Report is also hyping the Rifqa Bary insanity started by the shrieking harpy.

314 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:32:46pm

re: #309 DrNaughty

and the zero said next to nothing when the iranian people were in open revolt.

duh.
but should Israel want to build an apt building in our holy capital.

Jerusalem is the holy city for all jews not just Israeli.

315 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:32:47pm

re: #303 Charles

They just don't care about any of that. What's important to them is that Spencer hates Muslims, the English Defense League hates Muslims, and the Christian Action Network really hates Muslims.

Hmm. I'm beginning to see a common theme.

I tempted to pun... something like "What's Love Got to do with it", but I can't turn-er anything that's acceptable...

BBL

316 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:32:59pm

Spencer is now commenting at Jawa Report.

317 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

Perhaps we should just squash this pun thread right here.

I usually find that nine or tennis enough.

318 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #314 yochanan

and the zero said next to nothing when the iranian people were in open revolt.

duh.
but should Israel want to build an apt building in our holy capital.

Jerusalem is the holy city for all jews not just Israeli.

He said nothing because he had no idea what to do.

319 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:34:07pm

re: #311 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you trying to put the ball in my court?

I could also Tikal your curiosity, with puns about Meso-american ball games.

320 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:34:26pm

phone ... bbl

321 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:34:27pm

re: #303 Charles

They just don't care about any of that. What's important to them is that Spencer hates Muslims, the English Defense League hates Muslims, and the Christian Action Network really hates Muslims.

Hmm. I'm beginning to see a common theme.

I am so over "hating muslims" myself. I have to admit to a couple of weeks of blind hatred oh precisely 8 years ago but realized it was stupid. At that point I actually bought an English version of the Koran and worked my way through it. To be honest, not my cup of tea but there aren't many religious text that are. The Koran is very preachy. The Bible tends to get its message across with stories until one gets to the Pauline letters and then it gets preachy. The Koran is basically Muhammad laying the law down page after page.

322 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:34:33pm

re: #318 DrNaughty

he said nothing because he still wants to sit and chat with the short shit.

323 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #314 yochanan

Jerusalem is the holy city for all Jews not just Israeli.

And quote a few other religions as well too!

324 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:35:14pm

re: #131 cronus

It will be interesting to see for how much longer the anti-war Left holds its fire on Obama. The isolationist Right (George Will) couldn't even wait a year.

Obama has continued many of the policies of what the Left would consider the Bush Doctrine and where he has tried to change policy (Gitmo) he has found himself strongly rebuked by both parties in Congress.

I sense that the moonbats have a visceral need to have Bush policies totally illegitimatized and the longer those policies are propitiated by a Democratic President the more they take on the appearance of the kind of bi-partisan approaches that characterized cold war foreign policy.

There hasn't been any holding of fire.

The civil libertarians' objections to Obama are not due to a 'visceral need to delegitimise Bush policies', but to deep convictions that those policies were violations of civil liberties, represented an unprecedented expansion of executive power, and were illegitimate from the start.

The honest on the left have been condemning Obama for continuing (and expanding) those policies at almost every turn. The dishonest yelled when Bush did it, but don't care when Obama does it.

Personally, I'm very glad about the Ahmadinejad decision. LGF has been one of the few places honest enough to consistently give Obama credit when it's due, and I appreciate that. Wish more people could do it.

325 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:35:46pm

re: #289 Occasional Reader

The table topic isn't rebounding-ball sports in general

Gah.

326 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #303 Charles

They just don't care about any of that. What's important to them is that Spencer hates Muslims, the English Defense League hates Muslims, and the Christian Action Network really hates Muslims.

Hmm. I'm beginning to see a common theme.

They really really believe that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' and have blinders to the fallacies around that position. I do agree with you, their hatred (and fear) towards Muslims drives them. They do not seem to differentiate the islamofascists from other muslims - but have no problem associating with facists to fight islamofascists.

If they thought about it cogently, perhaps they would eventually settle on the path of fighting fascists...

327 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #309 DrNaughty

Unnecessary. the Iranian consumer demand for gasoline far outstips the amount their little refinery can produce.

There is also a bottleneck that goes through Karachi than can be exploited against them.

Most Iranians are pro western and very pro-American.. the key to a regime change comes from the Iranian people and encouraging thier dissent.

In additon, federal funding of Farsi radio and television satellite signals into Iran would also be very effective, as Tehran is covered with satellite dishes...

I just don't want their tanks and helos and bombers to have a steady domestic supply of fuel if a widespread citizens' revolt should morph into an armed insurgency.

The time to take out that refinery may not have arrived yet, but there are circumstances under which such an action could play a crucial role in toppling the mullahcracy.

328 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:36:40pm

Two moral and mental midgets.

329 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:36:43pm

re: #306 Fenway_Nation

The thing is, this is one of those outfits that runs several disconnected shortline or reigonal railways and have already established a sort of uniform corporate image on their motive power...plus they already run through some visually striking scenery in the Ozarks, New England, Great Plains or Mojave Desert..

Then they're probably just trying to keep the proper corporate image on their web site.
Not Guilford, is it? They're near where I live.
The joke a while ago is that they were testing out how well graffiti and dirt prevent rust.

330 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:36:49pm

re: #324 iceweasel

Personally, I'm very glad about the Ahmadinejad decision. LGF has been one of the few places honest enough to consistently give Obama credit when it's due, and I appreciate that. Wish more people could do it.

Upding.

331 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #327 Salamantis

I just don't want their tanks and helos and bombers to have a steady domestic supply of fuel if a widespread citizens' revolt should morph into an armed insurgency.

The time to take out that refinery may not have arrived yet, but there are circumstances under which such an action could play a crucial role in toppling the mullahcracy.

Where is Jim Phelps when we need him ? :)

332 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:38:06pm

I am not an Obama fan by any stretch of the imagination, particularly when it comes to his weak-kneed, Neville Chaimberlainesque foreign policy, but GOOD for Obama... maybe he is finally growing a backbone!! It has been a long time coming.

333 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:38:37pm

re: #286 Salamantis

Dubya managed to get three separate UN sanctions against Iran passed for their continuing nuclear-weapons-pursuing activities; I can't recall Obama even trying to pass a fourth

To be fair, Bush was in office 8 years and Obama's only entering his 8th month.

334 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:38:53pm

Rubber ducky, you're the one!

335 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:39:06pm

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

I usually find that nine or tennis enough.

You're not one of those Bjorn-Again Christians, are you?

336 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:39:58pm

If this is the missing link, we're all screwed.

337 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:40:17pm

re: #333 iceweasel

To be fair, Bush was in office 8 years and Obama's only entering his 8th month.

And Bush did deny Israeli requests to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

338 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:40:24pm

re: #335 Occasional Reader

You're not one of those Bjorn-Again Christians, are you?

Quit making a racket.

339 Athos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:41:50pm

re: #338 MandyManners

Quit making a racket.

Let's see some more Love-thirty here, please? Why can't we just get along?

340 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:42:02pm

Where's my toy?

341 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:42:07pm

re: #338 MandyManners

Quit making a racket.

Sorry, no more tennis puns, I'll try to calm down with meditation... SERENA-TY NOW!

342 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #339 Athos

Let's see some more Love-thirty here, please? Why can't we just get along?

And we should get back on topic.

Is Obama leaving the US Open to attack?

343 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:43:19pm

ShortShitapalooza!

344 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #263 DrNaughty

Those sound more like SBA loans...

No; these were outright grants. In the case of the ceramics guy, he wouldn't have been able to guarantee making payments on a loan; his sort of business is extremely sporadic, even more so when he was just getting his studio off the ground, with long periods of drought between significant commissions.

345 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:43:36pm

re: #333 iceweasel

To be fair, Bush was in office 8 years and Obama's only entering his 8th month.

Yeah, but all three of the UN sanctions passed during the Bush administration were passed during the last 2 years of his 2nd term, after all else, including extensive europe-led negotiations, had utterly failed.

I have a sinking feeling that Obama plans to revisit those utter failures, out of the naive and self-centered belief that his personal charisma and dazzling smile can change the outcome of a second go at such negotiations (doing the same thing again and expecting a different result).

Instead, I think that he should demonstrate a continuity of national will and purpose by continuing the Big Sanction Squeeze, something the Iranians have been counting on to end with the Bush administration.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:43:53pm

re: #337 Enkidu90046

And Bush did deny Israeli requests to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

Yes, but he was Israel's bestest friend, and Obama is evil. So it's kind of irrelevent what they actually do.

//sadly, some folks come from exactly that place

347 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:44:39pm

Twin brothers from different mothers.

348 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:44:46pm

drink the koolaid

349 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:44:46pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but he was Israel's bestest friend, and Obama is evil. So it's kind of irrelevent what they actually do.

//sadly, some folks come from exactly that place

Well, the Annapolis conference cured me of any thinking Bush was such a great friend of Israel.

350 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:45:43pm

re: #337 Enkidu90046

And Bush did deny Israeli requests to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

He was okay with the message-sending strike against the Syrian nuclear facilities, though.

But the distance, and the sheer number of Iranian sites, renders such an action there an entirely more problematical, although perhaps necessary, proposition.

351 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:45:48pm
352 Right mind left  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:46:05pm

I don't think 0 is doing a service to anyone with this volley.

I would love-love to see the actual list of those coming to this soiree...

353 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:46:29pm

IMHO nuclear weapons, latent as they are in the periodic table and the laws of physics, were put here as a test for humanity & so far we are roughly passing: the good guys got them first; they used them to stop the last great power war & though it has been ragged around the edges, there hasn't been a great power war since.

But now, we obviously have to use force to keep the theocrats' hands off them.

That is the next test.

Let's pass it.

354 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:46:35pm

re: #345 Salamantis


I have a sinking feeling that Obama plans to revisit those utter failures, out of the naive and self-centered belief that his personal charisma and dazzling smile can change the outcome of a second go at such negotiations (doing the same thing again and expecting a different result).

I updinged you even though I don't agree with the above paragraph. I don't personally see the reason to believe that, and I don't yet see enough evidence to have a prediction about what he might do. Once he's done something I'll be able to form an opinion.

This development is a good start though, in my opinion.

355 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:46:35pm
356 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:47:05pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but he was Israel's bestest friend, and Obama is evil. So it's kind of irrelevent what they actually do.

//sadly, some folks come from exactly that place

Look... if either a) USAF B-2s hit Iran's nuke facilities, or b) Israel does it, and when asked about it, he says "what has two thumbs and approves of what Israel just did? This guy!", I'll be the first to invite him for an ice cream at that joint in Old Town Alexandria that he likes.

357 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:47:16pm

re: #270 Charles

I suspect you're right. Those deranged morons do that all the time.

This is for them:

Youtube Video
358 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:47:22pm

Was the photographer hanged?

359 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:48:24pm

this has more to do with the zero having PR. problems in the jewish comm. if anyone thinks the iranians will give a duce over this i got a object that reachs between two shores and over the h20 for sale.

360 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:48:37pm

re: #350 Salamantis

He was okay with the message-sending strike against the Syrian nuclear facilities, though.

But the distance, and the sheer number of Iranian sites, renders such an action there an entirely more problematical, although perhaps necessary, proposition.

But the USA didn't have to do it... all they had to do was give the green light to Israel and perhaps provide some logistical support. And given the severity of the threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iran, the fact that it is very difficult to accomplish doesn't mean it must not be tried... but Bush refused to allow Israel to try, and so Iran's nuclear capabilities advance and we get closer to the day they detonate a nuclear weapon.

361 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:48:54pm

Let's put him on an island.

362 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:49:15pm

re: #333 iceweasel

To be fair, Bush was in office 8 years and Obama's only entering his 8th month.

Huh, I see someone downdinged me for this.

Not that I care about karma, but I'd like to say that downdinging a person for making a purely factual statement suggests a bias against facts.

363 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:49:22pm

re: #350 Salamantis

He was okay with the message-sending strike against the Syrian nuclear facilities, though.

But the distance, and the sheer number of Iranian sites, renders such an action there an entirely more problematical, although perhaps necessary, proposition.

The fact is that the amount of electricity required by the nuclear plants is immense.

During World War II, the Grand Coulee Dam provided the electricity necessary for the Handford facilty in Washington to produce plutonium, and the TVA dams in Tennessee for the Oak Ridge Y-12 and K-25 uranium enrichment plants.

The Iranian nuclear plants may be underground, well protected and dispersed, however they rely on an electrical grid that is vulnerable and can be shut down for an extended period of time.

364 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #342 Occasional Reader

And we should get back on topic.

Is Obama leaving the US Open to attack?


Good question..
I'm not sure the Terrorist really care who the POTUS is.. Hell the worst attack in our history happened with Bush in office...I think AQ just hates us...all of us

365 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:49:48pm
366 dogberry  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:50:11pm

Will the President put the American military in the way of Israel's attack on Iran, and will the President meet with Avigdor Lieberman?

367 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:50:46pm

re: #350 Salamantis

He was okay with the message-sending strike against the Syrian nuclear facilities, though..

Excellent point. And it was more than just message-sending, apparently; it hit real assets.

368 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:50:47pm

Excuse me if I don't start equating Obama with Patton just because Obama "probably" won't invite Aepwoepahd to a U.N. gathering. Obama's particular strain of passive-aggressive diplomacy is not exactly awe inspiring. If he told him not to show and also had him surprise greeted on the tarmac by the 101st Airborne when landing in Tehran, you might get me interested. As it stands, his waffling and hesitation remind me of nothing so much as the whimsical machinations of high school girls. "I totally sent him my mash notes but he never responded, so now I'm going to ignore him when he shows up at the dance. Maybe I'll kiss the French President just to see if it makes him jealous. You guys watch him while I do it and tell me, k? If he gets really steamed, maybe I'll let him slow dance with me and I'll disassemble 1,000 US ICBMs unilaterally. Tee-hee!"

Remember: Obama ignored a democratic revolution in Iran as a matter of policy in order to maintain some sort of imaginary rapport with the lunatic he is now distancing himself from, yet immediately leapt into full Presidential action the moment a personal buddy of his was confronted by diversity-trained police in his tony Cambridge, MA suburb. Spartacus he ain't.

369 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:50:49pm

re: #231 DrNaughty

The first time I visited San Francisco I was suprised the hotel room (a B&B) did not have air conditioning.

Then I realized that even in August, it was unnecessary.

Hehe the first time I was in San Fran was Fourth of July weekend 1998. Being from Jersey I thought, hey July brought shorts, tshirts and one hockey Jersey. My friend decided it would be a good idea to rent scooters and go all over the city, Presidio etc. I froze my forking beanbag off in a hockey jersey and shorts.

The entire following week, though, was my first trip to Sacramento (where I met my not yet wife) and it was like 115 for a week straight. Unreal.

370 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:50:53pm

The Islamic John Wayne Gacey.

371 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:51:41pm

re: #362 iceweasel

Huh, I see someone downdinged me for this.

Not that I care about karma, but I'd like to say that downdinging a person for making a purely factual statement suggests a bias against facts.

Relax Ice. I've seen posters get dinged for posting "hi everyone!"

372 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #369 Locker

Hehe the first time I was in San Fran was Fourth of July weekend 1998. Being from Jersey I thought, hey July brought shorts, tshirts and one hockey Jersey. My friend decided it would be a good idea to rent scooters and go all over the city, Presidio etc. I froze my forking beanbag off in a hockey jersey and shorts.

The entire following week, though, was my first trip to Sacramento (where I met my not yet wife) and it was like 115 for a week straight. Unreal.

The locals must have been passing out on the streets...

373 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #232 mikalm

Looks like mid-60s for Saturday, unfortunately.

And nothing personal, but I avoid that event like the proverbial plague.

It's all good we've been there several years and it's always a good time and a very good crowd. Lots of petchuli but very little problems or drama... and it's free.

374 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:52:24pm

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

Come on. That's surely not the first time Ahmedinejad has stood on a stool. And the one in the photograph is probably much less malodorous.

I'd like to give them all a flush.

375 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:53:15pm

re: #371 Racer X

Relax Ice. I've seen posters get dinged for posting "hi everyone!"

I just had to downding you for this, of course.

THE DEVIL MADE ME BUY THIS DRESS!

376 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:53:39pm
377 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:53:55pm

re: #360 Enkidu90046

But the USA didn't have to do it... all they had to do was give the green light to Israel and perhaps provide some logistical support. And given the severity of the threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iran, the fact that it is very difficult to accomplish doesn't mean it must not be tried... but Bush refused to allow Israel to try, and so Iran's nuclear capabilities advance and we get closer to the day they detonate a nuclear weapon.

Actually, most of Iranians are under the age of 30, and most of them detest the Iranian mullahcracy. Right now, we're watching a demographic race between the domestic overthrow of that totalitarian regime and its attainment of nuclear weapons (which we cannot allow). However, considering how much shit would hit the global fan as soon as preventative military actions were taken, we are holding our water, walking right up to the edge, and hoping the kids will win.

378 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:54:25pm

re: #286 Salamantis

Dubya managed to get three separate UN sanctions against Iran passed for their continuing nuclear-weapons-pursuing activities; I can't recall Obama even trying to pass a fourth

Give the President some time, he was elected on a platform that advocated a sincere effort be given to diplomacy, if he is moving past the invitation stage that is a significant next step. Should he choose to use force, something that President Bush did not believe was necessary, he will do so with almost universal agreement that he had made a sincere effort at diplomacy first.

President Obama has not shown any reluctance to ramp up in Afghanistan, and continued the pressure on Pakistan, I don't see him giving the Iranians a free pass.

379 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:54:29pm

OT: In spite of being addressed as "My Friend" (somewhat annoying), I thought this appeal from McCain was worth the read. There is a link at the end for a petition. It is not required to make a donation, though of course, that is always mentioned.

My Friend,

Last night, during his speech to a joint session of Congress and the nation, President Obama outlined his new proposal for health care reform. While I respect the President's point of view, and hope for an eventual compromise, I believe his proposal amounts to an egregiously expensive and expansive form of government-run health care.

After a month of hosting and attending town hall meetings with my constituents in Arizona and around the country, I know that Americans want health care reform. But what is so very clear to me is that Americans want to reform health care in the right way. I am more convinced than ever that we must fix what is wrong with our health care system while doing no harm to the parts that work well.

This means we need to have malpractice reform, we must emphasize wellness and fitness, give people the option to get the health insurance of their choice and bring the cost of health care under control.

If you agree, that we need to reform health care reform the right way, then I ask you to sign my health care reform petition today by following this link.

I am very troubled by the potential cost of the President's outlined plans. I know that you are very concerned with the national debt and a projected $9 trillion deficit. The prospective cost of the President's plan could reach $2 trillion, and frankly, our country simply cannot afford this price tag.

I will not support heath care reform that adds to the out-of-control spending spree the Democrats in Congress have gone on this year. And I ask you to join me in rejecting the addition of $2 trillion of debt by signing this petition right away.

Government-run health care is something we simply cannot afford, and I know that the majority of Americans agree with me that it is not the quality of health care that needs reforming, but the cost. But, I need to know you stand with me. Will you follow this link to sign my petition?

As you know, the Democrats in Washington are doing everything in their power to push through their proposed reform full of political gimmicks. Your action today will send a clear message to them; we don't want government-run health care. Thank you, my friend, for your support and involvement on this very important national issue.

Thank you,

John McCain

P.S. The Democrats have pledged to "move forward" with their $2 trillion plan regardless of Republican support. But, it is up to us to do everything in our power to put a stop to the wasteful spending and enact health care reform in the right way. Please sign this petition today and if you are able to, make a generous contribution to my reelection effort. Thank you.


Petition

380 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:54:37pm

re: #368 Diamond Bullet

Remember: Obama ignored a democratic revolution in Iran as a matter of policy in order to maintain some sort of imaginary rapport

And he didn't merely "ignore" is, he made that ridiculous statement about how the Grand Ayatollah was really, truly concerned about those "elections irregularities". Ugh. Not his finest moment.

381 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:54:52pm
382 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:55:08pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

They published my name on the Internet out of spite...I'm a Global Network Administrator and have been attacked by them cause I think Charles is a pretty fucking cool guy with a great blog...
I'm been called an intellectual lightweight among numerous insults...
The blog administrators just terrifies me with their smarts over there...They got my attention now..Expect a bot to read every post and report to me with your bullshit via filters...And spelling Charles name backwards is just genius cause nobody could figure that crap out...They'll mess up and mess up bad...
In MJ's words... I'll be there..
Enjoy Stalkers..You picked the wrong target

Break those fools man. Go on with your bad self.

383 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:55:19pm

re: #369 Locker

Hehe the first time I was in San Fran was Fourth of July weekend 1998. Being from Jersey I thought, hey July brought shorts, tshirts and one hockey Jersey. My friend decided it would be a good idea to rent scooters and go all over the city, Presidio etc. I froze my forking beanbag off in a hockey jersey and shorts.

The entire following week, though, was my first trip to Sacramento (where I met my not yet wife) and it was like 115 for a week straight. Unreal.

What hapens is that the cold water .. and I mean 40 degree water from the Alaskan current comes down the northwest coast past BC and Washington, Oregon and flows into San Francisco Bay. It's not warm water there. never is.. and that cold water affects the air temperature. causing that cool air dome to cover the bay area.

Sacramento, on the other hand.. isn't affected by the ocean water and can roast in the summer. But 115 is even extreme for there...

384 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #358 MandyManners

Links to Rusty's site may not be tolerated much longer.

385 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:56:08pm

re: #374 MandyManners

I'd like to give them all a flush.

Are you crazy? We should do the whole black velvet tacky picture like the dogs playing poker.. We could make a fortune selling them to liberals!
/We'll offer a oak frame for the Ivy school grads...We'll be rich!
/

386 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:56:13pm

re: #368 Diamond Bullet

If he told him not to show and also had him surprise greeted on the tarmac by the 101st Airborne when landing in Tehran, you might get me interested. .

I'm not aware of anyone here "equating Obama with Patton" simply because they support this decision, and the above quote of yours suggests to me that you're more interested in strange belligerent jingoistic fantasies rather than actual foreign policy and how it works. This makes it difficult for me to take your thoughts seriously, except as another manifestation of ODS.

387 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:56:28pm

re: #378 Bagua

I don't see him giving the Iranians a free pass

I hope he says idiotic things for the edification of domestic idiots, then drops the hammer.

In some ways the stupid statements would provide cover & thus surprise.

388 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:56:47pm

re: #377 Salamantis

Actually, most of Iranians are under the age of 30, and most of them detest the Iranian mullahcracy. Right now, we're watching a demographic race between the domestic overthrow of that totalitarian regime and its attainment of nuclear weapons (which we cannot allow). However, considering how much shit would hit the global fan as soon as preventative military actions were taken, we are holding our water, walking right up to the edge, and hoping the kids will win.

Agree. The Iranians may detest their government, but an attack on Iran would unify the nation...

389 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #377 Salamantis

But the kids don't have the guns, as the recent election in Iran demonstrated quite tragically.

390 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #388 DrNaughty

Agree. The Iranians may detest their government, but an attack on Iran would unify the nation...

I'm not so sure about that. Didn't work for Milosevic.

391 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:58:23pm

Off to dinner!

392 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:58:26pm

Remember Obama can play some sort of islamic reform listen to me card here, that no one else can play.

393 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:58:42pm

I'm back y'all. Pictures from my trip will be available shortly.

394 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:58:53pm

re: #324 iceweasel

There hasn't been any holding of fire.

The civil libertarians' objections to Obama are not due to a 'visceral need to delegitimise Bush policies', but to deep convictions that those policies were violations of civil liberties, represented an unprecedented expansion of executive power, and were illegitimate from the start.

The honest on the left have been condemning Obama for continuing (and expanding) those policies at almost every turn. The dishonest yelled when Bush did it, but don't care when Obama does it.

Personally, I'm very glad about the Ahmadinejad decision. LGF has been one of the few places honest enough to consistently give Obama credit when it's due, and I appreciate that. Wish more people could do it.

The bolded comment is especially in line with my personal experience. Nice one.

395 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Off to dinner!

Thanks for all those pics.

396 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #378 Bagua

Give the President some time, he was elected on a platform that advocated a sincere effort be given to diplomacy, if he is moving past the invitation stage that is a significant next step. Should he choose to use force, something that President Bush did not believe was necessary, he will do so with almost universal agreement that he had made a sincere effort at diplomacy first.

President Obama has not shown any reluctance to ramp up in Afghanistan, and continued the pressure on Pakistan, I don't see him giving the Iranians a free pass.

Europe-lead diplomacy has already been tried, during the first 6 years of the Bush administration, and it was an utter failure.

If our nation continues to revisit failed options every time a new president is elected, we might as well get ready right now, for either an absolutely unacceptable nuclear Iran, or for the military actions necessary to prevent same, and their dire global consequences.

397 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:59:30pm

re: #371 Racer X

Relax Ice. I've seen posters get dinged for posting "hi everyone!"

Yeah, and I don't point out when that happens. I'm used to it. Downdinging factual statements is a little weirder, to me. Not angry-making, but weird.

Oh well, De gustibus non est disputandum, right? ;)

398 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 2:59:51pm

re: #377 Salamantis

However, considering how much shit would hit the global fan as soon as preventative military actions were taken, we are holding our water, walking right up to the edge, and hoping the kids will win.

Considering the awesome power the POTUS commands and the fact that he would have all the Intelligence reports and advisers that entails, he could choke off the Mullah regimes little party with little worry of what hits the fan. Consider also that this could be his key to a second term in office.

399 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:21pm

re: #368 Diamond Bullet

Remember: Obama ignored a democratic revolution in Iran as a matter of policy in order to maintain some sort of imaginary rapport with the lunatic he is now distancing himself from, yet immediately leapt into full Presidential action the moment a personal buddy of his was confronted by diversity-trained police in his tony Cambridge, MA suburb. Spartacus he ain't.

What do you think Bush would have done in his place? Something different?

I seriously doubt it. There were protests in Iran during the Bush administration too, and lots of people called for him to take action to help -- and what did he do?

I can sum it up in one word: nothing.

400 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:28pm

re: #393 medaura18586

Where'd ya go?

401 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:40pm

re: #387 Ojoe

I hope he says idiotic things for the edification of domestic idiots, then drops the hammer.

In some ways the stupid statements would provide cover & thus surprise.

Not only cover, but justification on the world stage.

402 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:44pm
403 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:54pm

re: #394 Locker

The bolded comment is especially in line with my personal experience. Nice one.

Yeah, I see it everywhere on the left too and it really annoys me.

404 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:00:58pm

re: #389 Enkidu90046

But the kids don't have the guns, as the recent election in Iran demonstrated quite tragically.

That can be remedied.

405 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:05pm

I have had FOX news on in my office today while working on some personnel reviews. And I have listened in to Glenn Beck's show today. He has been his usual manic self, but today's show is an example of why he pisses me off so much.

He spent the show skewering ACORN and showing a lot of hidden camera video of their encouragement of illegal activities. It was damning stuff and deserving of grudging respect. But because he is so freaking crazy and "out there" with so much of his other rhetoric, many people will not take this legitimate work seriously.

It's maddening to me.

406 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:12pm

re: #334 MandyManners

Rubber ducky, you're the one!

Bla photobucket is blocked at work but that is a very powerful reference from my childhood.

Rubber Duckie, you're the one,
You make bathtime lots of fun,
Rubber Duckie, I'm awfully fond of you;

(woh woh, bee doh!)

Rubber Duckie, joy of joys,
When I squeeze you, you make noise!
Rubber Duckie, you're my very best friend, it's true!

(doo doo doo dooo, doo doo)

CHORUS:
Every day when I
Make my way to the tubby
I find a little fella who's
Cute and yellow and chubby
(rub-a-dub-a-dubby!)

Rubber Duckie, you're so fine
And I'm lucky that you're mine
Rubber duckie, I'm awfully fond of you.

(repeat chorus)

Rubber Duckie, you're so fine
And I'm lucky that you're mine
Rubber duckie, I'm awfully fond of -
Rubber duckie, I'd like a whole pond of -
Rubber duckie I'm awfully fond of you!

(doo doo, be doo.)

407 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #333 iceweasel

To be fair, Bush was in office 8 years and Obama's only entering his 8th month.

I don't see why you can't use that to support what you've said. It's been used to support the idea that Obama has a boatload of czars in only 8 months.

408 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:19pm

Well, we do know the Admin must have at least considered inviting Iran/Ahmadi 'the still living terrorist' Nejad to the event(maybe they don't serve hot dogs at the Un?).

Disregarding our political climate in the US, imagine how that would have gone over on the international circuit - especially with the Arabs?

409 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:26pm

This non-invitation is only the begining of our punitive measures against Iran for their failing to meet international obligations vis-a-vis nuclear proliferation.

We have already mapped out a strategy of reciprocal responses should the Iranians continue on this path and escalate their activities:

* Should Iran chose to further sponsor violent insurgents in Iraq, we will not allow any members of the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York to attend the finals of the annual Westminster Dog Show.

* Should Iran chose to further sponsor certain terrorist groups in southern Lebanon, we will not allow any members of the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York to attend the preliminaries of the annual Westminster Dog Show.

* Should Iran chose to nuke Israel we will pull out the stops and impose a 5 year "no invitations to any barbecues" on the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York.

We aren't messing around.

410 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

Can you post some reggae? Something to do with Jai Alai Selassie?

hahahahahhahahahahahaaa

411 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:31pm

re: #369 Locker

Hehe the first time I was in San Fran was Fourth of July weekend 1998. Being from Jersey I thought, hey July brought shorts, tshirts and one hockey Jersey. My friend decided it would be a good idea to rent scooters and go all over the city, Presidio etc. I froze my forking beanbag off in a hockey jersey and shorts.

The entire following week, though, was my first trip to Sacramento (where I met my not yet wife) and it was like 115 for a week straight. Unreal.

There's a reason why all those shops down by the wharf sell hooded sweatshirts.

412 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #398 Bagua

Considering the awesome power the POTUS commands and the fact that he would have all the Intelligence reports and advisers that entails, he could choke off the Mullah regimes little party with little worry of what hits the fan. Consider also that this could be his key to a second term in office.

The fact also is that Iran has been "At War" with the United States since Nov 4 1979. And there has been no responses made to their attacks on Americans over the past 30 years...

413 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01:51pm

re: #399 Charles

I can sum it up in one word: nothing.

But he did not lend rhetorical legitimacy to the regime by pretending that these were merely election disputes, and that the Head Theocrat was really, terribly concerned about a fair and just outcome.

414 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:02:06pm

re: #388 DrNaughty

Agree. The Iranians may detest their government, but an attack on Iran would unify the nation...

I would rather have a unified non-nuclear Iran than a divided one with nuclear weapons.

415 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:02:37pm

re: #409 That's Mr. President to you

This non-invitation is only the begining of our punitive measures against Iran for their failing to meet international obligations vis-a-vis nuclear proliferation.

We have already mapped out a strategy of reciprocal responses should the Iranians continue on this path and escalate their activities:

* Should Iran chose to further sponsor violent insurgents in Iraq, we will not allow any members of the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York to attend the finals of the annual Westminster Dog Show.

* Should Iran chose to further sponsor certain terrorist groups in southern Lebanon, we will not allow any members of the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York to attend the preliminaries of the annual Westminster Dog Show.

* Should Iran chose to nuke Israel we will pull out the stops and impose a 5 year "no invitations to any barbecues" on the Iranian Diplomatic delegation in New York.

We aren't messing around.

You Lie!

/oops sorry, again

416 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:03:29pm

Sheesh, I'm just Mr. Typo this afternoon. Anyway, off for now.

417 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:03:45pm

re: #396 Salamantis

Europe-lead diplomacy has already been tried, during the first 6 years of the Bush administration, and it was an utter failure.

If our nation continues to revisit failed options every time a new president is elected, we might as well get ready right now, for either an absolutely unacceptable nuclear Iran, or for the military actions necessary to prevent same, and their dire global consequences.


Sure, but note that the failure of the Bush presidency to solve this issue with negotiations did not lead to his ordering a military strike. He obviously believed it was not necessary, or not time. Why would the Obama presidency rush to war when even Bush was holding back without first following his platform of enhanced diplomacy? It would be bizarre and he would be condemned for this as a broken promise.

418 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:04:09pm

re: #402 taxfreekiller

Hi, icewart, chill.

Why wart? That isn't her name. Unless it's a fun nick that has been established between the two of you as okay to use, I say can it. Same goes for all this brave sir buzzsaw crap I've seen by iceweasel. We can at least have the names we've chosen for ourselves be respected around here. Too much to ask?

419 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:04:16pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Sheesh, I'm just Mr. Typo this afternoon. Anyway, off for now.

It's been a pleasure as always.

420 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:04:34pm

re: #414 Enkidu90046

I would rather have a unified non-nuclear Iran than a divided one with nuclear weapons.

I don't believe obama is the type to send a quiet diplomatic note though the Swiss that any nuclear explosion by the Iranians means we empty a few Ohio-Class submarines of their nuclear missiles and turn Iranian cities into wastelands within an hour...

421 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:04:47pm

re: #404 Salamantis

That can be remedied.

I would rather just have the US strike Iran's nuclear facilities or give the green light and logistical support so Israel can do it than try to arm the opposition in Iran and hope for the outcome we want.

422 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:05:17pm

re: #409 That's Mr. President to you

you left out the strongly worded letter.

frankly i am so underwhelmed by this some one pass me a hankie. the vapors

423 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:07:36pm

re: #417 Bagua

Sure, but note that the failure of the Bush presidency to solve this issue with negotiations did not lead to his ordering a military strike. He obviously believed it was not necessary, or not time. Why would the Obama presidency rush to war when even Bush was holding back without first following his platform of enhanced diplomacy? It would be bizarre and he would be condemned for this as a broken promise.

Look upthread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I am recommending that instead of revisiting failed negotiations, we should continue to support further tightening of UN sanctions, an internationally supported process that only began once european-led and US and UN supported negotiations with Iran failed.

424 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #405 _RememberTonyC

I have had FOX news on in my office today while working on some personnel reviews. And I have listened in to Glenn Beck's show today. He has been his usual manic self, but today's show is an example of why he pisses me off so much.

He spent the show skewering ACORN and showing a lot of hidden camera video of their encouragement of illegal activities. It was damning stuff and deserving of grudging respect. But because he is so freaking crazy and "out there" with so much of his other rhetoric, many people will not take this legitimate work seriously.

It's maddening to me.

I've been sort of following this Outrage of the Day story, and something I'm not getting -- why are we supposed to assume that what's in that video is official ACORN policy, and not just bad behavior by the people in that room when the video was shot?

Is there something that shows this is official policy? If so, I haven't seen it yet. It seems like an extreme stretch to make that connection.

425 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:07:45pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Where'd ya go?

Why, of course, in the Jihadistan on the Balkans.

//

You forget so soon!

Got a few pictures already, actually:
[Link: www.gigapan.org...] (check out the mosque vs church face off)

[Link: gigapan.org...]

[Link: gigapan.org...]

[Link: gigapan.org...]

426 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:08:27pm

re: #420 DrNaughty

Maybe not... but maybe, just maybe, Obama is finally growing a backbone.

427 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:09:15pm

re: #417 Bagua

Sure, but note that the failure of the Bush presidency to solve this issue with negotiations did not lead to his ordering a military strike. He obviously believed it was not necessary, or not time. Why would the Obama presidency rush to war when even Bush was holding back without first following his platform of enhanced diplomacy? It would be bizarre and he would be condemned for this as a broken promise.

Attacking Iran will have consequences. The Iranians have two highly armed pitbulls with Hezbollah and Hamas...they would be unleased. And, all they would have to do in the Persian Gulf is disrupt the flow of oil and we'd see a skyrocketing in the price per barrel, overnight. The Strait of Hormuz is only 30 miles across in some places...a few sunk super tankers would bring the flow of oil to a screeching halt. Not to mention the havoc they can still cause in Iraq and Afghanistan. Any attack would have to be a huge attack on the nuclear capabilities and probably some kind of "decapitation" attack on the leadership. That is a pretty daunting exercise.

I don't think Israel has the capability and I don't think the USA has the will.

428 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:09:46pm

how many times does ACORN have to screw up before it is known that it is the org. culture to be a criminal org.

429 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:10:05pm

re: #383 DrNaughty

What hapens is that the cold water .. and I mean 40 degree water from the Alaskan current comes down the northwest coast past BC and Washington, Oregon and flows into San Francisco Bay. It's not warm water there. never is.. and that cold water affects the air temperature. causing that cool air dome to cover the bay area.

Sacramento, on the other hand.. isn't affected by the ocean water and can roast in the summer. But 115 is even extreme for there...

Hmm I wonder what the actual temperature was during that week. 115 probably isn't even possible... I bet I can find this somewhere... however.. it was unbearably hot.

430 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:10:10pm

re: #27 lawhawk


Also, note that the article isn't nearly as definitive on not inviting Ahmadinejad as the headlines state. There's some wiggle room there, perhaps as a tasty carrot to entice Iran to comply.

A definitive statement would be nice. The "I think there are others that might miss out on the hors d'oeuvres crack," sounds a little juvenile. You don't make a statement saying you might not invite someone. You simply don't invite them and let that serve as your statement.

431 MJ  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:11:43pm

re: #349 Kosh's Shadow

Well, the Annapolis conference cured me of any thinking Bush was such a great friend of Israel.

Jewish community upset with Obama, suffers ‘remorse,’ panel says

Published: Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, September 9, 2009
hillel

Kelisha Menon


Much of the Jewish community feels “voters’ remorse” as a result of President Barack Obama’s lack of action in support of Israel as well as White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel’s perceived anti-Israel platform, panelists at Harvard University Hillel told more than 100 students and faculty members Tuesday.

Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz and his former research assistant Joel Pollak discussed the scrutiny Obama has faced regarding his lack of dedication to the Israeli interests. Dershowitz’s July Wall Street Journal editorial “Has Obama Turned on Israel?” became a catalyst for debate, suggesting that many American supporters of Israel who voted for Obama now suspect they may have been victims of a bait and switch, after Obama has failed to follow through on campaign promises...

[Link: www.dailyfreepress.com...]

432 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:11:58pm

re: #428 yochanan

how many times does ACORN have to screw up before it is known that it is the org. culture to be a criminal org.

Yeah, why worry about that pesky "evidence" thing? LYNCH 'EM!

433 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:12:21pm

re: #423 Salamantis

Look upthread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I am recommending that instead of revisiting failed negotiations, we should continue to support further tightening of UN sanctions, an internationally supported process that only began once european-led and US and UN supported negotiations with Iran failed.

Yes I see that, but I don't agree with the critisism of Obama, he ran on diplomacy as his platform, clearly stated that he believed it had not been done correctly, and is now doing what he said he would; this is not a character flaw, it is keeping a campaign promise.

I did not support this approach during the election, nor do I approve of Bush's failure to follow through, but now that Obama is POTUS I am happy to see him following through so quickly and starting to tighten the leash. This is good news, yet, many do not seem pleased.

434 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:12:38pm

re: #424 Charles

I've been sort of following this Outrage of the Day story, and something I'm not getting -- why are we supposed to assume that what's in that video is official ACORN policy, and not just bad behavior by the people in that room when the video was shot?

Is there something that shows this is official policy? If so, I haven't seen it yet. It seems like an extreme stretch to make that connection.

They seem to have an awful lot of bad behavior among their employees.

435 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:12:39pm

re: #427 Desert Dog

Attacking Iran will have consequences. ... . Any attack would have to be a huge attack on the nuclear capabilities and probably some kind of "decapitation" attack on the leadership. That is a pretty daunting exercise.

I don't think Israel has the capability and I don't think the USA has the will.


Precisely. If a military strike on Iran is made, it would have to be very substantial and decisive. And unlikely to be taken.

Encouraging dissent and rebellion from the Iranian people is far better...

436 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:13:38pm

re: #434 Wendya

They seem to have an awful lot of bad behavior among their employees.

Either that, or a few cases are being blown up way out of proportion to reality.

437 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #434 Wendya

They seem to have an awful lot of bad behavior among their employees.

Where I'm from a company's leadership is reflective of its employees and vice versa.

438 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:13:53pm

re: #428 yochanan

how many times does ACORN have to screw up before it is known that it is the org. culture to be a criminal org.

Uh - it's not a matter of how many offenses take place. It's a matter of the existence of actual evidence showing that members in high positions within the organization directed such offenses, and not just some underlings acting independently.

439 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:13:55pm
440 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:14:50pm

re: #432 Charles

how many federal convictions of mang. level ACORN people do there have to be?

441 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:14:54pm

re: #432 Charles

Yeah, why worry about that pesky "evidence" thing? LYNCH 'EM!

*cringe*

I know you're being facetious boss, but that is a little too far.

442 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:15:02pm

re: #425 medaura18586

That first link should be: [Link: gigapan.org...]

443 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:15:09pm

re: #424 Charles

I've been sort of following this Outrage of the Day story, and something I'm not getting -- why are we supposed to assume that what's in that video is official ACORN policy, and not just bad behavior by the people in that room when the video was shot?

Is there something that shows this is official policy? If so, I haven't seen it yet. It seems like an extreme stretch to make that connection.

Dude I got HAMMERED for saying this in an earlier thread. Apparently making that suggestion means you don't have a problem with the demonstrated bad behavior. Not really sure why but I bet you'll have more luck with this than I did.

444 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:15:58pm

re: #427 Desert Dog

Attacking Iran will have consequences. The Iranians have two highly armed pitbulls with Hezbollah and Hamas...they would be unleased. And, all they would have to do in the Persian Gulf is disrupt the flow of oil and we'd see a skyrocketing in the price per barrel, overnight. The Strait of Hormuz is only 30 miles across in some places...a few sunk super tankers would bring the flow of oil to a screeching halt. Not to mention the havoc they can still cause in Iraq and Afghanistan. Any attack would have to be a huge attack on the nuclear capabilities and probably some kind of "decapitation" attack on the leadership. That is a pretty daunting exercise.

I don't think Israel has the capability and I don't think the USA has the will.

We do this before they have nukes, or we find they have nuclear pit bulls.
There are bad consequences now; terrible ones later.

445 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #425 medaura18586

Ok what are all the tanks on the apartment roofs for? Water tanks? Swamp coolers?

446 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:16:08pm

dozens of convictions matter.

447 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:16:30pm

re: #440 yochanan

how many federal convictions of mang. level ACORN people do there have to be?

Doesn't matter. What matters is actual evidence that someone at a higher level was directing such activity.

So far, I don't believe any such evidence has come to light.

448 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:16:49pm

re: #433 Bagua

Yes I see that, but I don't agree with the critisism of Obama, he ran on diplomacy as his platform, clearly stated that he believed it had not been done correctly, and is now doing what he said he would; this is not a character flaw, it is keeping a campaign promise.

I did not support this approach during the election, nor do I approve of Bush's failure to follow through, but now that Obama is POTUS I am happy to see him following through so quickly and starting to tighten the leash. This is good news, yet, many do not seem pleased.

It is hard to criticise Bush for negotiations that were led by Britain, France and Germany. It is also hard to see how Obama would know better than they did when they went to the UN and announced it was hopeless and supported sanctions. And Bush, in concert with the UN, followed through with three rounds of UN sanctions. If Obama hubritically changes course back to a previously failed path now, it will be HE who fails to follow through on an ongoing international strategy for dealing with the Iranians.

449 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #427 Desert Dog

Attacking Iran will have consequences. The Iranians have two highly armed pitbulls with Hezbollah and Hamas...they would be unleased. And, all they would have to do in the Persian Gulf is disrupt the flow of oil and we'd see a skyrocketing in the price per barrel, overnight. The Strait of Hormuz is only 30 miles across in some places...a few sunk super tankers would bring the flow of oil to a screeching halt. Not to mention the havoc they can still cause in Iraq and Afghanistan. Any attack would have to be a huge attack on the nuclear capabilities and probably some kind of "decapitation" attack on the leadership. That is a pretty daunting exercise.

I don't think Israel has the capability and I don't think the USA has the will.

Hamas is a very limited threat at the moment, strategically speaking, Hezballah has a proven ability to force the northern population of Israel in shelters for weeks duration, and they are much better armed now. But still this can be countered without much problem, Syria on the otherhand is the major danger to Israel.

As far as the "Persian" gulf, it is the American Gulf and Arab Gulf. Iran would be quickly neutered and the oil will still keep shipping.

450 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:17:08pm

the feds have put mafia dons in the slammer for fewer convictions under RICO

451 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:17:19pm
452 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:17:32pm

re: #424 Charles

I've been sort of following this Outrage of the Day story, and something I'm not getting -- why are we supposed to assume that what's in that video is official ACORN policy, and not just bad behavior by the people in that room when the video was shot?

Is there something that shows this is official policy? If so, I haven't seen it yet. It seems like an extreme stretch to make that connection.

There is a pattern of voter registration fraud with ACORN. That does reflect on the leadership of the organization. It may be just some bad employees doing stupid things, but it is still tainting of the organization. They are being sued in several states for registration irregularities and being charged with criminal charges in some state. There is a pattern of this, don't you agree?

453 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:18:24pm

re: #446 yochanan

dozens of convictions matter.

Not without evidence suggesting complicity at a higher level, they don't.

See "guilt by association." It's frowned upon, especially so in courts of law.

454 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:18:36pm

re: #435 DrNaughty

I disagree that a strike has to be so overwhelming and comprehensive to be successful. Even if it just sets back Iran by a couple years in developing nuclear weapons, it is worth it as it buys more time.

455 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:18:37pm

re: #447 SixDegrees

Doesn't matter. What matters is actual evidence that someone at a higher level was directing such activity.

So far, I don't believe any such evidence has come to light.

Balderdash. This is a clear reflection on their leadership having a pattern of not being able to control their problems. If they were a public company, their stock would be worth 0.

456 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #445 Thanos

Water tanks is what they are, to my knowledge. And ugly as sin.

457 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:19:39pm

re: #436 Charles

Either that, or a few cases are being blown up way out of proportion to reality.

They are under investigation in multiple states over a period of several years for their voter registration drives. That indicates a systematic problem.

458 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:19:57pm

ACORN is emblematic of liberal thugocracy.

459 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:20:16pm

re: #451 buzzsawmonkey

At some point, a persistent and repetitive series of offenses by "underlings acting independently" over a wide geographic range shows that even if the "members in high positions within the organization" were not overtly and intentionally directing, or complicit in, such offenses, the organization is out of control and filled with criminals.

Agreed. Not many organizations could stand under the weight of the combined individual offenses. They are getting a pass big time.

460 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:20:49pm

re: #450 yochanan

the feds have put mafia dons in the slammer for fewer convictions under RICO

No, they have not. They have put people in jail under RICO and other laws when evidence was produced against such people; there's no such thing as your illusionary "number of wrongdoings" metric; there's no law against running a company where the employees are engaged in bad acts so long as you aren't directing those bad acts or encouraging them or ignoring them if they come to your attention.

461 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:20:50pm

re: #409 That's Mr. President to you

Dude...The American people miss you here..Don't be a stranger..Sent us your Tweets...How was lunch? What did Michelle have? Grilled tuna?
I put a rosary around your picture today...
/

462 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #454 Enkidu90046

I disagree that a strike has to be so overwhelming and comprehensive to be successful. Even if it just sets back Iran by a couple years in developing nuclear weapons, it is worth it as it buys more time.

Expect to see a massive spike in terrorist attacks in response to an attack on Iran...

The reason there wasn't any after the Israeli Osirak nuclear reactor attack in 1981 was because Saddam was basically a domestic tyrant with little or no outside influence.

463 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:21:15pm

re: #425 medaura18586

pimf: ...of the Balkans...

I'm too well-rested to start pimfing already.

464 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:21:21pm
465 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:21:39pm

re: #407 Silvergirl

I don't see why you can't use that to support what you've said. It's been used to support the idea that Obama has a boatload of czars in only 8 months.

Hi SG-- sorry, maybe I misread you? Sal pointed out that Obama hadn't tried to enact UN sanctions against Iran yet, and Bush had enacted 3. I was just saying that Obama's only been in office 8 months, so it's not fair to condemn him on that (yet).

As for the czar point: Bush had more than Obama does, and Bush typically appointed them as he went along, often in reponse to a crisis (for example, a Katrina czar, a birdflu czar).

Obama has the czar idea implemented from the beginning as part of his theory of how the administration should be structured. There isn't a reason to think that he'll keep on appointing them at this rate for the whole time.

As to whether that extra layer of administration will help or hurt policy-making, etc-- I don't think we know yet. It could be a mess, it might not be. I don't have a problem with it yet.

This is a good article about Bush's appointment of czars, and I think it hones in on the potential problems with them. If you swap out the name Bush and plug in the name Obama all the same basic points and criticisms might pply. Those are the ones I'm worried about and will watch for.

Think Progress did a report yesterday about the various czar conspiracies floating around on the right.

466 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:21:48pm

It's carpool time.. wife is here soon and she doesn't like to wait. I'll be on later during the Steeler game. Peace all and everyone get home safe and have a good evening.

467 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:22:13pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Sheesh, I'm just Mr. Typo this afternoon. Anyway, off for now.

Be well OR...
Hope you have a great evening

468 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:22:26pm

re: #451 buzzsawmonkey

At some point, a persistent and repetitive series of offenses by "underlings acting independently" over a wide geographic range shows that even if the "members in high positions within the organization" were not overtly and intentionally directing, or complicit in, such offenses, the organization is out of control and filled with criminals.

Nothing illegal about any of that.

Now, it might - and in this case, probably has - raised enough eyebrows to merit a closer look. But we don't throw people in jail on happenstance. We charge them and produce evidence that they've committed a crime.

469 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:22:26pm

Kejda- the new avatar is lovely.

470 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:22:41pm

re: #462 DrNaughty

There will certainly be fallout from such an attack, but the alternative is even worse, IMO.

471 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:22:51pm

Dinnertime here take care all

472 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:02pm

re: #468 SixDegrees

Nothing illegal about any of that.

Now, it might - and in this case, probably has - raised enough eyebrows to merit a closer look. But we don't throw people in jail on happenstance. We charge them and produce evidence that they've committed a crime.

Unless we label them "terrorist" then it's off to Gitmo as a subhuman.

473 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:41pm

I have seen ACORN in action on voter reg. they are very selective in who they ask to register, i walked past them for a week not once did they ask me if i was registered.

i have seen other community groups do it were they ask everybody.

474 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #455 Pianobuff

Balderdash. This is a clear reflection on their leadership having a pattern of not being able to control their problems. If they were a public company, their stock would be worth 0.

So they're an organization with problems. There's nothing criminal about that. yoch is demanding that we throw people in jail without any evidence that a crime has been committed by those people. Not a place I want to go anywhere near.

475 DrNaughty  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:46pm

re: #470 Enkidu90046

There will certainly be fallout from such an attack, but the alternative is even worse, IMO.

There is no good alternative..

Take care

476 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:49pm

re: #468 SixDegrees

Nothing illegal about any of that.

Now, it might - and in this case, probably has - raised enough eyebrows to merit a closer look. But we don't throw people in jail on happenstance. We charge them and produce evidence that they've committed a crime.

I thought the original point was that they would be known as a "criminal culture".

477 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:23:52pm

re: #436 Charles

Either that, or a few cases are being blown up way out of proportion to reality.

Damned MSM.

478 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:24:21pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

Thanks. All Commentary editors did a photo shoot, for our About Us page. That's what I settled on for myself. So I thought I'd use it here too. Like to humanize the unpronounceable nic.

479 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:24:58pm
480 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:25:00pm

re: #460 SixDegrees

No, they have not. They have put people in jail under RICO and other laws when evidence was produced against such people; there's no such thing as your illusionary "number of wrongdoings" metric; there's no law against running a company where the employees are engaged in bad acts so long as you aren't directing those bad acts or encouraging them or ignoring them if they come to your attention.

On the one hand you are correct. On the other hand, if this were a restaurant chain, and these were health inspection violation this egregious, would you eat at your local franchise?

481 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #475 DrNaughty

Agree.

Take care.

482 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #448 Salamantis

It is hard to criticise Bush for negotiations that were led by Britain, France and Germany. It is also hard to see how Obama would know better than they did when they went to the UN and announced it was hopeless and supported sanctions. And Bush, in concert with the UN, followed through with three rounds of UN sanctions. If Obama hubritically changes course back to a previously failed path now, it will be HE who fails to follow through on an ongoing international strategy for dealing with the Iranians.

I know you disagree, no doubt you never voted for Obama, but the President is on record with his opinion and it is his job. Perhaps he will later say that he now agrees with Bush, who knows, it's irrelevant. So far he has not changed any path, the sanctions remain and the USN remains poised to strike. I don't see Iran kidnapping any of our sailors and steeling their Ipods. The Iranians remain on the correct side of fear.

Try to accept that this report is good news.

483 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:25:45pm

Since people seem to be certain that lots of ACORN management people have been convicted of crimes, can anyone link to those convictions?

I've searched. The only convictions I see are of very low level people, and in several cases the main organization was specifically exonerated of charges that they sanctioned the fraudulent behavior.

Anyone have a link to show otherwise?

484 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:25:47pm

re: #474 SixDegrees

So they're an organization with problems. There's nothing criminal about that. yoch is demanding that we throw people in jail without any evidence that a crime has been committed by those people. Not a place I want to go anywhere near.

He said it was becoming known as a criminal culture. I completely agree with that. That is the statement I was thinking of when responding to you. Perhaps there is another point being argued with Yochanan.

485 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:08pm

re: #465 iceweasel

Hi SG-- sorry, maybe I misread you? Sal pointed out that Obama hadn't tried to enact UN sanctions against Iran yet, and Bush had enacted 3. I was just saying that Obama's only been in office 8 months, so it's not fair to condemn him on that (yet).

As for the czar point: Bush had more than Obama does, and Bush typically appointed them as he went along, often in reponse to a crisis (for example, a Katrina czar, a birdflu czar).

Obama has the czar idea implemented from the beginning as part of his theory of how the administration should be structured. There isn't a reason to think that he'll keep on appointing them at this rate for the whole time.

As to whether that extra layer of administration will help or hurt policy-making, etc-- I don't think we know yet. It could be a mess, it might not be. I don't have a problem with it yet.

This is a good article about Bush's appointment of czars, and I think it hones in on the potential problems with them. If you swap out the name Bush and plug in the name Obama all the same basic points and criticisms might pply. Those are the ones I'm worried about and will watch for.

Think Progress did a report yesterday about the various czar conspiracies floating around on the right.

I don't know if you misread. My point was that it has been hashed over that Obama has czars, Bush had czars, and the big but is that Bush took 8 years to build up to about the same number that Obama has in 8 months.

I thought I saw that you had been downdinged (or maybe I imagined it) for using the 8 months thing for your point on this other issue, and I'm asking why not?

Thanks for the links. I'll look at them when I get back. Have to take off for a bit.

486 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:21pm

If you can't tell yet, I'm trying to prolong my state of bliss, achieved after two weeks of very little internet access and exposure to toxic news. Will have to comment on the latest outrages sooner or later though.

487 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:28pm

re: #472 Locker

Subhumans with a 13,000 book library.

488 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:34pm

re: #473 yochanan

I have seen ACORN in action on voter reg. they are very selective in who they ask to register, i walked past them for a week not once did they ask me if i was registered.

i have seen other community groups do it were they ask everybody.

Is there some point to this observation? If they're being selective, it means they're not indiscriminately registering people - which is one of the things they've been charged with in the past. Based on your eyewitness account, it sounds like they've learned their lesson and are now being more careful about who they sign up.

489 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:55pm

re: #472 Locker

Unless we label them "terrorist" then it's off to Gitmo as a subhuman.

Off topic and needlessly inflammatory.

490 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:26:57pm

re: #425 medaura18586

Nice pic. Very cool site you're uploading to.

491 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:27:17pm

Gotta run. Be good all.

492 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #478 medaura18586

It turned out well. :)

I have something to send to you, so keep an eye out.

493 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:28:43pm

re: #447 SixDegrees

Doesn't matter. What matters is actual evidence that someone at a higher level was directing such activity.

So far, I don't believe any such evidence has come to light.

Exactly. There is none. And ACORN itself has turned in tips to the FBI when it suspected that individual workers were making up registrations.

ACORN is the wingnut boogeyman. There's no evidence of the organisation itself mandating such tactics or organising them, despite the overheated imagination of some on the right.

494 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:28:53pm
Christopher Edwards, 33, the former Las Vegas field director for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, pleaded guilty to two gross misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters.

As part of a plea agreement, Edwards will testify against the other two defendants in the case — ACORN and its former regional director, Amy Busefink.

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

495 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:28:57pm

re: #486 medaura18586

If you can't tell yet, I'm trying to prolong my state of bliss, achieved after two weeks of very little internet access and exposure to toxic news. Will have to comment on the latest outrages sooner or later though.

Take your time. Indulge in your current state of bliss. It is a condition that is becoming 'rare-species'. ;-)

496 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:29:57pm

i remember when I used to be one of the centrist's around here but with the right getting booted or flouncing I appear to be more rightist than I used to be. I haven't changed any of my positions but it does seem that the blog has changed.

497 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:30:06pm

re: #484 Pianobuff

He said it was becoming known as a criminal culture. I completely agree with that. That is the statement I was thinking of when responding to you. Perhaps there is another point being argued with Yochanan.

Known by whom? By Federal investigators? Or simply by their detractors? If there's real evidence of some sort of high-level involvement in criminal activity, I haven't heard about it yet.

Frankly, I agree that ACORN is peopled by scum. But you can't throw people in jail just for being unsavory.

498 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

It turned out well. :)

I have something to send to you, so keep an eye out.

{Sharm} Between the 2 hour countdown to the NFL season..Reading here and hating doing email on the Blackberry...I'll reply in the morning over a nice house blend with french cream and hazelnut shot..My texting suks! *wink*
Be well!

499 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:30:59pm

re: #482 Bagua

I know you disagree, no doubt you never voted for Obama, but the President is on record with his opinion and it is his job. Perhaps he will later say that he now agrees with Bush, who knows, it's irrelevant. So far he has not changed any path, the sanctions remain and the USN remains poised to strike. I don't see Iran kidnapping any of our sailors and steeling their Ipods. The Iranians remain on the correct side of fear.

Try to accept that this report is good news.

He shouldn't just sit in a holding pattern and retain the present UN sanctions; he should be pushing for more, as the activity that prompted the first 3 rounds of them has proceeded apace. And he should bust his charismatic ass to get the biggest teeth he can manage installed in them.

The Iranians continue to pursue nuclear weapons. Until that activity ceases, the news from Iran is not good - for Israel, for Europe, for the US, for the world, or for the Iranian people themselves.

And if that pursuit continues until they achieve such weapons, the news wll be bad - very bad - for everyone.

500 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:31:30pm

re: #494 Wendya

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

OK, there's one case of a management person convicted of two misdemeanor counts. Is there evidence that this was an official policy?

501 Dianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:32:14pm

I'm out, after an extraordinarily productive day, made easier by lizards.

Take care!

502 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:32:21pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

I looked downright creepy in some of the pics shot under more, ahem, dramatic lighting. haha... good thing those are not making it out in the ether.

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Nice pic. Very cool site you're uploading to.

Thanks. It's my hubby's gigapan shots that go up that site. It's an incredibly cool gadget, allowing photographers to take breathtaking panoramic shots incredibly rich in detail. We had a GPS device too, to get the location right within a meter. Pics of pristine beaches are coming up next. They're huge files, made up of hundreds of normal pictures stitched together. Fun stuff...

503 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:32:33pm

I am very deeply pleased to see that O seems to be showing some sense about the Dinnerjacket.

I can hope and pray that he continues to get a bit more pragmatic about these things. I'm not banking on it, but I am hoping.

The thing that has bothered me the most about him has been his foreign policy. If reality on these matters is starting to penetrate, then I am very pleased.

504 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:32:43pm

re: #493 iceweasel

Exactly. There is none. And ACORN itself has turned in tips to the FBI when it suspected that individual workers were making up registrations.

That's very interesting.

505 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #499 Salamantis

He shouldn't just sit in a holding pattern and retain the present UN sanctions; he should be pushing for more, as the activity that prompted the first 3 rounds of them has proceeded apace. And he should bust his charismatic ass to get the biggest teeth he can manage installed in them.

The Iranians continue to pursue nuclear weapons. Until that activity ceases, the news from Iran is not good - for Israel, for Europe, for the US, for the world, or for the Iranian people themselves.

And if that pursuit continues until they achieve such weapons, the news wll be bad - very bad - for everyone.

Agreed, I believe we are seeing his strategy unfold and will see the next step in the coming weeks.

506 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #496 yochanan

i remember when I used to be one of the centrist's around here but with the right getting booted or flouncing I appear to be more rightist than I used to be. I haven't changed any of my positions but it does seem that the blog has changed.

Change.

507 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:34:21pm

re: #496 yochanan

i remember when I used to be one of the centrist's around here but with the right getting booted or flouncing I appear to be more rightist than I used to be. I haven't changed any of my positions but it does seem that the blog has changed.

ON many issues, particularly those relating to Israel, we are not so far off. Honest.

508 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:34:39pm

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Rep King Calls For Investigation Of Acorn

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Congressman Steve King today reacted to a tape released by an independent filmmaker showing Baltimore-based ACORN workers assisting a man and a woman claiming to be involved in a prostitution ring. According to FOXNEWS, “Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.”

509 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:35:10pm

re: #507 LudwigVanQuixote

ON many issues, particularly those relating to Israel, we are not so far off. Honest.

More reasons to scold you!

/

510 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:37:01pm

re: #508 pat

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Rep King Calls For Investigation Of Acorn

Of course, I could call for an investigation of Peter King, too, if I wanted to.

This is evidence of nothing, except the usual political grandstanding.

511 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:37:34pm

re: #509 Bagua

More reasons to scold you!

/

Btw, I saw you posts about karate tough. As someone who has spent some time doing Kempo, Kendo and a little Wing Chun and even less Tai Chi, you made a good point.

So I will grant your martial prowess if not your scientific sense...

512 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:38:38pm

re: #496 yochanan

i remember when I used to be one of the centrist's around here but with the right getting booted or flouncing I appear to be more rightist than I used to be. I haven't changed any of my positions but it does seem that the blog has changed.

I have always have been and always will be a Moderate politically..
I've seen just as many left wing nuts jump off the cliff as I have seen right wing nuts crash and burn...
As a Native California I always admired Reagan as being one of our greatest leaders.. I'm afraid he would be horrified at the new Beck GOP today...
I'm stunned...We conservatives always stood up for principle..Now we think to win the GOP must take pages out of Radical authors and go with the burned earth policy... Very distasteful

513 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:39:17pm

re: #508 pat

enough for a grand jury maybe.

514 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:39:48pm

This fixation on ACORN isn't new, by the way. The same accusations were made during the 2004 election (by Karl Rove among others), and investigations into charges that ACORN engaged in systematic vote fraud were launched in several states.

Not a single conviction resulted. ACORN was exonerated in every case.

Again, I have to ask, where's the beef? I'm not supporting ACORN, but I'm seeing a whole lot of fake outrage again, drummed up by the usual suspects.

515 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:40:04pm

re: #502 medaura18586

Heehee. I'm particular about my photos too. Email has been sent.

516 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:40:20pm

re: #511 LudwigVanQuixote

Ah, we iz expurts together.

I still have hopes you will come to understand my points on the science as well. In fact, I predict that will occur if we continue chatting based upon a model I have engineered.

517 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:40:21pm

re: #511 LudwigVanQuixote

Btw, I saw you posts about karate tough. As someone who has spent some time doing Kempo, Kendo and a little Wing Chun and even less Tai Chi, you made a good point.

So I will grant your martial prowess if not your scientific sense...

Boxing, wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu here.

518 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:41:18pm

re: #510 Charles

I was pointing out the latest news, not commenting . This story is confirming suspicions of politicians and State authorities that there is something wrong with ACORN, hence the interest. A lot more here:

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

519 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:41:35pm

re: #493 iceweasel

Exactly. There is none. And ACORN itself has turned in tips to the FBI when it suspected that individual workers were making up registrations.

ACORN is the wingnut boogeyman. There's no evidence of the organisation itself mandating such tactics or organising them, despite the overheated imagination of some on the right.

I don't know if there is any evidence or not.

As for ACORN itself, my own experience with them, dating back a good 25 years, has never been good. My first encounter with them was during a petition drive they were running related to getting an issue placed on the upcoming state election ballot. Their canvassers were spread out all over our downtown area, hustling signatures in support of the measure. The
ACORN logo was printed at the top of every signature sheet, as required by state law. Although only registered voter signatures are considered valid for such purposes, they weren't even asking if people were registered, or if they lived in the state (we're close to a couple of borders, so it's a reasonable question.)

OK, so sloppy and overzealous. But the following day, the same group of canvassers were out in the same area, bearing signature sheets with the ACORN logo once again, soliciting signatures AGAINST the very same proposal. WTF?

Turns out that ACORN was simply a bodies-for-hire organization, with not ideological stance discernible, who were only interested in getting paid to collect as many signatures as possible.

Note that there's nothing illegal about this, as far as I know. But it's loathsomely unethcial and immoral. And questions remain about what their actual intent was; were some of the "FOR" signatures mixed in to pad out the "AGAINST" pile, or vice versa? Unknown, but this came up in the news a short while later when the state invalidated a record number of signatures because they were unable to verify an actual registered voter behind them, or because they were obviously fake or duplicated. And the political groups that hired ACORN got wind of the double-dipping they had indulged in and were furious to learn that they had been collecting signatures for the "other" side.

As recently as last year, I ran across ACORN doing exactly the same thing - stationed on opposite sides of the street, one guy collecting signatures in support of an issue, another collecting signatures against it, both from ACORN.

They drip slime.

But putting them in jail requires more than just being unethical assholes. It requires evidence of actual wrongdoing.

520 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:42:54pm

The problem with bashing Acorn is that the R's have grassroots and community org groups themselves. Typically you don't always get the most fastidious people on either end of the political spectrum in these groups, and they are nationwide. So if you wanted to go rooting around at ground level in the conservative orgs you would find some convictions and questionable behavior as well.

521 medaura18586  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:44:09pm

re: #515 Sharmuta

Heehee. I'm particular about my photos too. Email has been sent.

Received. That's a handful of "leisurely" reading. Lemme dig me teeth into it and will get back to you later.

522 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:44:31pm

re: #512 HoosierHoops

There is plenty of room for the right, left, and center on LGF if they aren't kooks. Step 1 to not getting into 'kook thinking about flouncing' land is to not believe anything the media (MFMSM or otherwise) or other blogs, especially self proclaimed "right-wing" or "left-wing" blogs, say without verification from multiple sources and a good application of a well tuned bullshit filter. Anytime you find something that seems to be just too good to be true and validates everything you think about "the other side", it's probably bogus.

523 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:44:53pm

More information has come out about Robert Spencer's association with the extremist bigots of the Christian Action Network, and the aborted meeting with the English Defense League that he's now desperate to distance himself from: The EDL Dines Alone.

I recently posted a couple of blog entries (here and here) about what happened when members of the English Defence League showed up at a restaurant in London where Robert Spencer was preparing to dine with some British conservative “anti-Jihadi” types, in particular Adrian Morgan and Douglas Murray. Spencer was in town with a couple of members of the Virginia-based Christian Action Network; the day before, CAN director Michael Mawyer had conducted an interview with three balaclava-wearing EDL leaders, and his associate Jason Campbell (with whom Spencer had taken “strolls into a few mosques”) decided to invite them along.

However, Spencer’s British contacts were not pleased to discover at the restaurant that they were about to share a table with the EDL, and, as Adrian Morgan delicately put it, “Tensions between some of the anti-jihadist factions who had all been kindly invited by Jason to a meal caused splitting of the groups and confusion”. Extrication was eased, though, because, according to Spencer, the restaurant management had asked the party to leave anyway just before the EDL showed up , on account of the subject matter of their conversation.

524 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:45:00pm

re: #443 Locker

He's Charles and you're not? ;)

Being in charge of a blog does tend to grant a wee bit of gravitas to that person.

525 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:45:17pm
526 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:46:55pm

re: #483 Charles

Since people seem to be certain that lots of ACORN management people have been convicted of crimes, can anyone link to those convictions?

I've searched. The only convictions I see are of very low level people, and in several cases the main organization was specifically exonerated of charges that they sanctioned the fraudulent behavior.

Anyone have a link to show otherwise?

I strongly suspect the only links that will be provided are to Beck and O'Reilly transcripts and other houses of nuttery.

I've looked too. I don't find anything anywhere to suggest that there was or ever has been official policy at ACORN to encourage voter registration fraud, let alone voter fraud (which is what the cranks claim.) Various individuals are guilty of voter registration fraud; there is no evidence to suggest that this was officially sanctioned, or part of a conspiracy to commit voter fraud. It's basically individuals getting 8 to 10 dollars an hour to register voters-- and they decided to be lazy and fill out fake forms to meet their quotas.

Another day, another conspiracy theory. I'd agree with Six Degrees observations about them as a sloppy organisation, but the conspiracy theories being pushed are just a retread of the old ones you observe Rove was making way back in 2004. It's just that it's gained traction with Obama, partly because ACORN involved community organisers, and partly because ACORN can be spun as urban, black, etc. All part of the mythology that Obama is an usurper, in my opinion.

527 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:47:20pm

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

2 cents on ACORN

528 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:47:55pm

re: #525 buzzsawmonkey

The point is that dirty tricks and machines exist on both sides, rational people learn to recognize them when they see them.

529 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:48:50pm

re: #517 Enkidu90046

Boxing, wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu here.

Ahhh- one of those bend him, fold him, and take him to the ground guys...

I hate you guys...

:)

530 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:48:58pm

re: #514 Charles

This fixation on ACORN isn't new, by the way. The same accusations were made during the 2004 election (by Karl Rove among others), and investigations into charges that ACORN engaged in systematic vote fraud were launched in several states.

Not a single conviction resulted. ACORN was exonerated in every case.

Again, I have to ask, where's the beef? I'm not supporting ACORN, but I'm seeing a whole lot of fake outrage again, drummed up by the usual suspects.

You do realize the threat against America when Micky Mouse shows up registered to vote right? And Troy Aikman was registered.. I want to meet the guy that walks in the Polls as Troy...*wink*
There were crazy cards submitted but nothing much in vote fraud...
Wonder what party Goofy registered with?

531 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:49:11pm

OT

So long F-22:

By a 30 to 0 vote that took 15 minutes and featured no debate, the panel approved a $636.3 billion defense budget for fiscal 2010, which starts October 1.

Senate panel votes to kill F-22 fighter

532 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #528 Thanos

The point is that dirty tricks and machines exist on both sides, rational people learn to recognize them when they see them.

And if Republicans were involved with the type of things that ACORN is accused of... oh forget it.

533 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:50:15pm

re: #516 Bagua

Ah, we iz expurts together.

I still have hopes you will come to understand my points on the science as well. In fact, I predict that will occur if we continue chatting based upon a model I have engineered.

You've taken up modeling? Then I have no worries! You can do the calculations yourself and see how bad AGW really is... :)

534 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:50:28pm

This is just stunning, Acorn is being defended.

535 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #531 sngnsgt

OT

So long F-22:

Senate panel votes to kill F-22 fighter

They killed KEI too. grrrf

536 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:51:12pm

re: #526 iceweasel

I'd agree with Six Degrees observations about them as a sloppy organisation

Frankly, their issues go far beyond sloppy in my book. They routinely double dip in search of fees for collecting signatures on both sides of an issue, something the political groups which hire them to collect signatures are not at all happy about, and which raises questions, with two opposing sets of signatures being hauled back to a single office, over whether any sort of tally padding is going on.

Around here, ACORN is an organization with 11-foot pole marks all over it's face. They're unethical.

They may also be engaged in criminal deeds. My point in posting was simply to note that criminal charge will require actual evidence of wrongdoing.

537 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:52:11pm

This is part of Robert Spencer's latest rant against me:

I did not go to England planning to meet with the EDL, I did not make such plans there, and I did not meet with them.

Please note that I never accused Spencer of any of those things. It's another very typical Spencer misdirection -- he vehemently denies things no one accused him of.

…I will not work with racists, fascists, neo-Nazis, etc.

But raving anti-gay religious fanatics like the Christian Action Network -- no problem working with them!

538 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:52:14pm

re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh- one of those bend him, fold him, and take him to the ground guys...

I hate you guys...

:)

Well, given the "boxing part" it is actually, punch 'em in the face (or actually the body in my case), slam them to the ground then submit them... but basically, yeah, you got it.

;-)

539 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:52:15pm

re: #534 opnion

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

540 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:52:52pm

Acorn just fired the two employees on the tape in Baltimore.
Reminds me of Chicago Machine politics, It's all fine unless it goes public.

541 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:53:28pm

re: #534 opnion

This is just stunning, Acorn is being defended.

No, it is being pointed out that the fever-dream fantasies spun by the wingnuts aren't true.

That is not the same as saying ACORN is a wonderful organisation without problems. It's just pointing out that they arent a sinister highlevel conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

542 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:53:31pm

re: #427 Desert Dog

... The Strait of Hormuz is only 30 miles across in some places...a few sunk super tankers would bring the flow of oil to a screeching halt. Not to mention the havoc they can still cause in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There are other critical navigable waterways of lesser breadth and width which can be cleaned-up or out in periods that would astound.

Our little community contributed ~3400 houses to one area(almost a year ago) and the waterway was opened in 4 days.

543 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:53:35pm

re: #534 opnion

This is just stunning, Acorn is being defended.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said very specifically I wasn't supporting ACORN. I just don't believe in joining lynch mobs without any evidence that the organization has an official policy of encouraging vote fraud.

544 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:53:52pm

re: #534 opnion

This is just stunning, Acorn is being defended.

NO, hyperbolic hysteria is being attacked. Acorn sucks, dirty politics sucks, both sides do it, this isn't as big or as bad as it's being made out to be. It's just the outrage of the day, a reason for "TWOO Conservatives" to get their panties in a bunch instead of offering up leadership, vision, or direction.

545 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:53:58pm

re: #424 Charles

I've been sort of following this Outrage of the Day story, and something I'm not getting -- why are we supposed to assume that what's in that video is official ACORN policy, and not just bad behavior by the people in that room when the video was shot?

Is there something that shows this is official policy? If so, I haven't seen it yet. It seems like an extreme stretch to make that connection.

Sorry for the late response, I was meeting with a young man giving him his performance review. I applaud your desire to be fairminded about this. But ACORN has had a number of its people indicted in other states for other transgressions. So while there may not be a specific policy in place encouraging lawless behavior, at the very least there is a strong feeling that ACORN people have done (and may continue to do) things that are less than ethical. Do you want an organization with such a taint to be in charge of census collection or be the recipient of billions of tax dollars?

546 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #539 yochanan

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

If you need to flounce off, just do it.

547 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:54:20pm

re: #539 yochanan

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

Yes

548 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #538 Enkidu90046

Well, given the "boxing part" it is actually, punch 'em in the face (or actually the body in my case), slam them to the ground then submit them... but basically, yeah, you got it.

;-)

I hear that. I have promised myself to take up Krav Maga this year.

549 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:54:39pm

re: #536 SixDegrees

Frankly, their issues go far beyond sloppy in my book. They routinely double dip in search of fees for collecting signatures on both sides of an issue, something the political groups which hire them to collect signatures are not at all happy about, and which raises questions, with two opposing sets of signatures being hauled back to a single office, over whether any sort of tally padding is going on.

Around here, ACORN is an organization with 11-foot pole marks all over it's face. They're unethical.

They may also be engaged in criminal deeds. My point in posting was simply to note that criminal charge will require actual evidence of wrongdoing.

Well, I believe you just described criminal activities... does fraud fit? Yep. If what you say is true, I suspect the "political groups which hire them to collect signatures are not at all happy about" could have a possible case.

But, I have an idea, let's just blame the membership for all these criminal activities. The fat cats who run it have no knowledge of any of this.

550 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:54:55pm

re: #533 LudwigVanQuixote

You've taken up modeling? Then I have no worries! You can do the calculations yourself and see how bad AGW really is... :)

And we will both observe how I subconsciously pre-determine the results, we can then work together to tweak the models and eliminate selection bias and other human frailties.

551 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:02pm

re: #539 yochanan

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

LGF has always been anti-idiotarian and about reporting fact, not fantasies. Debunking happens to both the left and the right.

552 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:25pm

re: #541 iceweasel

frankly your biased terms like wing nut really kill the idea were your here to support a strong two party system.

553 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:30pm

re: #547 opnion

Yes

Seriously -- if you're going to flounce, just get it over with.

554 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:31pm

Flouncers entering, stage right...

555 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:35pm

re: #541 iceweasel

No, it is being pointed out that the fever-dream fantasies spun by the wingnuts aren't true.

That is not the same as saying ACORN is a wonderful organisation without problems. It's just pointing out that they arent a sinister highlevel conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

... thank we have discovered yet!

556 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #531 sngnsgt

OT

So long F-22:

Senate panel votes to kill F-22 fighter

That just means they are ending production, which will cap the numbers at the total we have already paid for, 187, IIRC. They will still be flying, and still be getting upgrades. They'll be flying for a long time.

557 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:56:10pm

re: #543 Charles

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said very specifically I wasn't supporting ACORN. I just don't believe in joining lynch mobs without any evidence that the organization has an official policy of encouraging vote fraud.

No my reading comprehension is pretty good actually , thanks for asking.
Why the insult, I was not specifically referring to you.

558 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:57:36pm

re: #557 opnion

No my reading comprehension is pretty good actually , thanks for asking.
Why the insult, I was not specifically referring to you.

Who defended ACORN, then? The only thing I've seen people posting is that the latest outrage seems to be another case of overblown hysteria. The people saying this are also very clearly stating that they aren't defending ACORN itself.

559 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:57:57pm
560 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:57:58pm

I'm curious, when was it decided that a failure to join in on fake hysterical outrage about X means one loves and supports X? Because that seems like a very strange worldview to me.

561 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:21pm

re: #556 CyanSnowHawk

That just means they are ending production, which will cap the numbers at the total we have already paid for, 187, IIRC. They will still be flying, and still be getting upgrades. They'll be flying for a long time.

Too bad about those tens of thousands of Lockheed employees to be canned.

562 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:24pm

re: #544 Thanos

NO, hyperbolic hysteria is being attacked. Acorn sucks, dirty politics sucks, both sides do it, this isn't as big or as bad as it's being made out to be. It's just the outrage of the day, a reason for "TWOO Conservatives" to get their panties in a bunch instead of offering up leadership, vision, or direction.

It's twoo, it's twoo!

563 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:39pm

re: #558 Charles

well ice been defending them all over the blog.

564 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:40pm

re: #553 Charles

Seriously -- if you're going to flounce, just get it over with.

Charles I came late to the thread, saw some posts & made a comment.
That is all that I did . It is your right to ban me, but for what?

565 gregb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:40pm

He didn't have the right DinnerJacket.

566 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:58:48pm

re: #550 Bagua

And we will both observe how I subconsciously pre-determine the results, we can then work together to tweak the models and eliminate selection bias and other human frailties.

And as you learn the math and the physics, you will see how in the actual models that get made, such biases are not in their make up. This is the role of the many people working on them and the many variations on the modeling. You will also see that they are doing something right because they actually do match the observed trends...

Then you can pull out that nasty passive aggressive soft style stuff and either I can't touch you or I can, and either you cant toss me around or you can, and then we buy some beers :)

567 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:59:09pm

re: #534 opnion

This is just stunning, Acorn is being defended.


Hell no! It's a joke..Just like registering mickey mouse...
We need a new way forward for registering REAL LIVE PEOPLE...
ACORN is a joke...In Indiana you have to show an ID to Vote...It should be nationwide.. That way when Clark Gable votes you can not only verify but get an autograph on the side...
Indiana is a leading voice with SCOTUS rulings backing us up here

568 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:59:43pm

The 2 employees were just fired. That gives me great comfort. More likely off to the New Orleans office like so many other employees that were ...redeployed after dubious conduct.

569 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:00pm

re: #552 yochanan

frankly your biased terms like wing nut really kill the idea were your here to support a strong two party system.

Wingnut is a contraction of 'rightwing nut'. It doesn't mean that everyone on the right is a nut, but refers specifically to the people who ARE nuts on the right. Like the people peddling ACORN fantasies.

And i'd say your need to downding factual statements because you don't like the facts kills the idea that you're a rational thinker.

570 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:02pm

re: #559 buzzsawmonkey

No, I wouldn't agree, and I don't care what someone said last century, I'm sticking with the rational people.

571 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:08pm

re: #539 yochanan

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

Agreed, changed for the better, a sign of intellectual curiosity, growth and honesty.

I would add consistency as well. The right people have been held accountable at the right time on this blog over the years, at the moment, it is those on the "right."

572 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:20pm

re: #554 Thanos

Flouncers entering, stage right...

Flouncy, flouncy, flouncy, flouncy, fun fun fun fun fun...

573 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:35pm

re: #558 Charles

Who defended ACORN, then? The only thing I've seen people posting is that the latest outrage seems to be another case of overblown hysteria. The people saying this are also very clearly stating that they aren't defending ACORN itself.

My position is that ACORN has a long history of unethical & perhaps criminal behavior. My comment was more holistic than just this latest
outrage.

574 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:00:35pm

re: #568 pat

The 2 employees were just fired. That gives me great comfort. More likely off to the New Orleans office like so many other employees that were ...redeployed after dubious conduct.

So even when ACORN does the right thing, turns in their own employees, and fires the people in that video, we're still supposed to hate them?

575 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:01:04pm

re: #539 yochanan

Just shows how much LGF has changed.

You've said a bunch of valuable things. Sometimes I disagree with you a lot, but it is not as if you have nothing to offer here.

576 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:01:06pm

re: #560 iceweasel

I'm curious, when was it decided that a failure to join in on fake hysterical outrage about X means one loves and supports X? Because that seems like a very strange worldview to me.

Ok, I've been out for a while, haven't seen the videos, but can you just give me a quickie...

Are these videos what people say they are, and is there an apparent wrong doing happening?

577 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:01:13pm

I'm out for awhile ... time to head home ... BBL

578 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:01:25pm

re: #563 yochanan

well ice been defending them all over the blog.

False. I've been debunking the hysterical and fake rumours. That is not endorsing them. I'm defending reality and truth-- not ACORN.

579 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:01:42pm

re: #567 HoosierHoops


Hi Hoops.

580 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:02:35pm

re: #574 Charles

So even when ACORN does the right thing, turns in their own employees, and fires the people in that video, we're still supposed to hate them?

Well yeah, they are the opposition for me, so I'm not going to like them - but I'm not going to have a fit over it, or consider it article worthy or substantial either. I'd rather see conservatives focus on a direction than on Acorn.

581 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:02:36pm

re: #567 HoosierHoops

Hell no! It's a joke..Just like registering mickey mouse...
We need a new way forward for registering REAL LIVE PEOPLE...
ACORN is a joke...In Indiana you have to show an ID to Vote...It should be nationwide.. That way when Clark Gable votes you can not only verify but get an autograph on the side...
Indiana is a leading voice with SCOTUS rulings backing us up here

I thought you had to show ID pretty much everywhere... I'm shocked that some places don't have it that way.

582 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:03:39pm
583 gregb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:04:00pm

re: #86 EaterOfFood

So basically, he's repudiating Bush by doing what Bush did?

I always thought it was funny that they bagged Clinton for continuing on some policies of Bush Sr., and then bagged Bush Jr. for continuing on some policies of Clinton.

What a whacky web we weave.

584 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #526 iceweasel

I strongly suspect the only links that will be provided are to Beck and O'Reilly transcripts and other houses of nuttery.

I've looked too. I don't find anything anywhere to suggest that there was or ever has been official policy at ACORN to encourage voter registration fraud, let alone voter fraud (which is what the cranks claim.) Various individuals are guilty of voter registration fraud; there is no evidence to suggest that this was officially sanctioned, or part of a conspiracy to commit voter fraud. It's basically individuals getting 8 to 10 dollars an hour to register voters-- and they decided to be lazy and fill out fake forms to meet their quotas.

Another day, another conspiracy theory. I'd agree with Six Degrees observations about them as a sloppy organisation, but the conspiracy theories being pushed are just a retread of the old ones you observe Rove was making way back in 2004. It's just that it's gained traction with Obama, partly because ACORN involved community organisers, and partly because ACORN can be spun as urban, black, etc. All part of the mythology that Obama is an usurper, in my opinion.

There's some indication here, in this NY Times article, that there has been some embezzlement at ACORN, but as you say, no information about any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

And this blog, Anita Moncrief - she writes of ACORN's shady ways, but again, no proof of voter fraud (that I could see, anyway, from a brief reading of the posts).

585 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:04:19pm

re: #581 LudwigVanQuixote

never had to show id.in chicagostan when i vote. well i have voted in the same place for 25 years though. and the judges know me from the community.

586 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:04:42pm

re: #579 opnion

Hi Hoops.

What up? Hope you are well...I'm picking the Steelers by 14..Vegas is 7..
I'm jacked it's almost NFL football in 1 hour...

587 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #582 buzzsawmonkey

There have been initiatives--largely, if not entirely, by Democrats--against showing ID at polling places. Which is an open invitation to vote fraud.

Well that is clearly wrong. Obviously, you should present ID when you go to vote.

588 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #573 opnion

My position is that ACORN has a long history of unethical & perhaps criminal behavior. My comment was more holistic than just this latest
outrage.

Opnion - I agree with you about their history of unethical behavior. See:
re: #584 reine.de.tout

There's some indication here, in this NY Times article, that there has been some embezzlement at ACORN, but as you say, no information about any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

And this blog, Anita Moncrief - she writes of ACORN's shady ways, but again, no proof of voter fraud (that I could see, anyway, from a brief reading of the posts).

589 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #585 yochanan

never had to show id.in chicagostan when i vote. well i have voted in the same place for 25 years though. and the judges know me from the community.

That is totally messed up, and yes, of course, it is corrupt.

590 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:05:34pm

re: #582 buzzsawmonkey

There have been initiatives--largely, if not entirely, by Democrats--against showing ID at polling places. Which is an open invitation to vote fraud.

And what does that prove? I betcha by golly that it's not every democratic that wants are against showing Id's.

591 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:06:27pm

re: #584 reine.de.tout

There's some indication here, in this NY Times article, that there has been some embezzlement at ACORN, but as you say, no information about any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

And this blog, Anita Moncrief - she writes of ACORN's shady ways, but again, no proof of voter fraud (that I could see, anyway, from a brief reading of the posts).

Let me clarify that the fund misappopriation/embezzlement was a good while back, in 2000.

592 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #570 Thanos

No, I wouldn't agree, and I don't care what someone said last century, I'm sticking with the rational people.

RINO! LIBERAL!

/kidding

593 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:07:11pm

re: #548 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear that. I have promised myself to take up Krav Maga this year.

I have mixed feelings about Krav Maga. I am just not completely sold on it as an effective martial art.

BTW, I am particularly vulnerable to leg kicks... I hate 'em. I took a little Muay Thai and really hated getting kicked in the legs.

594 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:07:26pm
595 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:08:54pm

re: #584 reine.de.tout

There's some indication here, in this NY Times article, that there has been some embezzlement at ACORN, but as you say, no information about any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

And this blog, Anita Moncrief - she writes of ACORN's shady ways, but again, no proof of voter fraud (that I could see, anyway, from a brief reading of the posts).

Thanks for the links, reine. Yes, for lots of reasons they seem to be a dodgy organisation, but dodgy in the sense of employing some shady people-- not anything that supports the rumours and conspiracies about voter fraud or criminal activity being mandated from the top levels.

596 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:08:56pm

OT

I've noticed a trend lately.

Charles appears to be proactively weeding out non-PC commenters on his blog.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

597 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:09:10pm

re: #585 yochanan

never had to show id.in chicagostan when i vote. well i have voted in the same place for 25 years though. and the judges know me from the community.

We get outvoted by the dearly departed anyway. How's the thread going?

598 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:09:27pm

no invite, no problem, I'll just go as Kadafi's guest.

I'm a dinner jacket so all i need is the tie.

599 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:09:31pm

re: #544 Thanos

NO, hyperbolic hysteria is being attacked. Acorn sucks, dirty politics sucks, both sides do it, this isn't as big or as bad as it's being made out to be. It's just the outrage of the day, a reason for "TWOO Conservatives" to get their panties in a bunch instead of offering up leadership, vision, or direction.

I'm no fan of ACORN and quite frankly think the country would be much better off without them. From what I've seen, at the very least they are sloppy in the work they do. That being said, there's a huge difference between voter registration fraud, ripping off the government (the normal accusations against ACORN) and human trafficking.

When I first saw this story this morning I suspected the whole thing might be staged, I guess that's not entirely the case, but we still don't know the full context of what is going on. If someone walks into your office and tells you they are engaging in human trafficking, do you just tell them to go away, or do you try and gather as much information on them so you can inform the authorities, and possibly even try and get them to stick around why you contact them?

I have no way of knowing what was really going on behind the scenes there, and all of the above is simply conjecture, but it asinine to believe that any organization of the size and scope of ACORN would approve of such activities as a policy.

600 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:09:40pm

re: #594 buzzsawmonkey

I'm wanting to agree with you, Walter, but I feel that there's a word or two missing. Can you help me out here?

Er, sarcasm?

601 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:10:29pm
602 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:10:36pm

re: #566 LudwigVanQuixote

And as you learn the math and the physics, you will see how in the actual models that get made, such biases are not in their make up. This is the role of the many people working on them and the many variations on the modeling. You will also see that they are doing something right because they actually do match the observed trends...

Then you can pull out that nasty passive aggressive soft style stuff and either I can't touch you or I can, and either you cant toss me around or you can, and then we buy some beers :)

We will have much to debate then, and much progress to make. I hope I you can accept the possibility that I have some valid observations to add to the knowledge and experience you bring to the table, once you discover my actual positions, not what you have assumed them to be, we may well find common ground, as far fetched as that may sound.

Alternatively of course, if I must beat you up, I'll expect you to buy me beer for the trouble as I don't work for free. :)

603 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:11:27pm

re: #595 iceweasel

Thanks for the links, reine. Yes, for lots of reasons they seem to be a dodgy organisation, but dodgy in the sense of employing some shady people-- not anything that supports the rumours and conspiracies about voter fraud or criminal activity being mandated from the top levels.

Right. It seems there are local units of ACORN that sort of go off acting on their own, and some are worse than others, but their actions aren't any sort of offiicial stance of the organization.

It sounds to me as if there isn't enough control of the local units from the top.

604 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:11:28pm
605 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:11:38pm

re: #595 iceweasel

Thanks for the links, reine. Yes, for lots of reasons they seem to be a dodgy organisation, but dodgy in the sense of employing some shady people-- not anything that supports the rumours and conspiracies about voter fraud or criminal activity being mandated from the top levels.

Interesting how Obama had some CEO's step down because of the dodgy things that their employees were doing, such as fucking upi the company.

606 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:12:37pm

re: #591 reine.de.tout

Let me clarify that the fund misappopriation/embezzlement was a good while back, in 2000.

About the same time as the embezzlement at Focus on the Family

607 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:12:46pm

re: #596 noshariaincanada

OT

I've noticed a trend lately.

Charles appears to be proactively weeding out non-PC commenters on his blog.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you need to flounce, just please do it. These lead-ups to the flounce get really tedious.

608 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:13:29pm

re: #588 reine.de.tout

Why in the world would anybody give ACORN funds & let them conduct the
census? The census is pivotal in apportioning congressional districts.

609 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:13:50pm

re: #606 Thanos

About the same time as the embezzlement at Focus on the Family

We were talking about ACORN; I didn't realize I needed to go looking for other cases of embezzlement that occurred at that same time.

610 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:14:05pm
611 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:14:16pm

re: #561 esch

Too bad about those tens of thousands of Lockheed employees to be canned.

What are the real numbers on that? Programs end all the time and big defense contractors, like the one I work for, find new positions for the displaced workers, usually all of them. It happened to me when F-35 development drew down, again when F-22 upgrades got delayed due to Iraq, and it just happened again when the program I am working now finished up. I start on another program on Monday.

Although in this case there is likely to be some layoffs, do you seriously think that this will cause more than 15% (more than 20,000 according to your statement above) of Lockheed's workforce of 135,000 to be laid off?

612 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:14:42pm

re: #580 Thanos

Well yeah, they are the opposition for me, so I'm not going to like them - but I'm not going to have a fit over it, or consider it article worthy or substantial either. I'd rather see conservatives focus on a direction than on Acorn.

I agree -- I'm not defending or supporting ACORN.

I'm just bone-tired of the fake outrages. They're coming one after another.

613 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:15:16pm

re: #608 opnion

Why in the world would anybody give ACORN funds & let them conduct the
census? The census is pivotal in apportioning congressional districts.

Because they have a good knowledge of the community, they are like a service organization, like boy scouts or the Lions club and they already have a list of the people they will need to talk to.
/

614 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:15:23pm

re: #609 reine.de.tout

We were talking about ACORN; I didn't realize I needed to go looking for other cases of embezzlement that occurred at that same time.

I'm just underlining my point above. Both sides of the spectrum have some questionable practices, I don't like Acorn but similar dirt exists on our side as well. Politics is first and foremost ugly at street level.

615 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #614 Thanos

I'm just underlining my point above. Both sides of the spectrum have some questionable practices, I don't like Acorn but similar dirt exists on our side as well. Politics is first and foremost ugly at street level.

Correct. I never said otherwise. As I said, the conversation was about ACORN; I just pulled up some links about them. When we talk about the stupidity and idiocy and rudeness of the right, it's been uncool to mention similar behavior by the left. So since we were talking about ACORN, that's all I looked for.

616 irongrampa  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:17:17pm

OT, (so sue me) but has anyone heard or seen any indications of what this admin plans to say or do in regards to tomorrow? I haven't found anything to date.
Anybody?

617 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:17:22pm

re: #569 iceweasel

Wingnut is a contraction of 'rightwing nut'. It doesn't mean that everyone on the right is a nut, but refers specifically to the people who ARE nuts on the right. Like the people peddling ACORN fantasies.

And i'd say your need to downding factual statements because you don't like the facts kills the idea that you're a rational thinker.


There is evidence of voter registration illegalities and irregularities within the organization resulting in investigations in 17 states resulting in multiple arrests and convictions over the last decade. That indicates a systematic problem within the organization. It does not mean anyone was acting on orders from the board, it suggests the organization has failed to exercise the level of oversight obviously needed to run an group of that size. There is no excuse for that. They are responsible for the actions of their employees. If my company were continually investigated for the misdeeds of my employees, my license to operate would be suspended. I find in unbelievable that an organization that is allowed to register voters is held to a lower standard.

618 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:17:43pm
619 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #593 Enkidu90046

I have mixed feelings about Krav Maga. I am just not completely sold on it as an effective martial art.

BTW, I am particularly vulnerable to leg kicks... I hate 'em. I took a little Muay Thai and really hated getting kicked in the legs.

I really don't know anyone who likes leg kicks - well receiving them at least.

As to krav maga, I've had sufficient opportunity to spar with people who are good at it, that I am convinced. The thing I like about it is the philosophy behind it - specifically, we don't want to fight, but if we must, it's on and it is very much for keeps.

It reminds me much of "practical" kempo in the sense that there is a very large bag of just nasty and real world techniques that are streamlined with good understandings of physics and biomechanics. I am also getting older, and I simply do not have it in me to train and meditate for hours a day like I used to.

620 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:25pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops

What up? Hope you are well...I'm picking the Steelers by 14..Vegas is 7..
I'm jacked it's almost NFL football in 1 hour...

Doing well. Are you ready for some football?
We have big hopes for the Bears this year. Cutler doesn't have the
recievers that he had in Denver, but the Bears do look good.

621 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:27pm

re: #608 opnion

Why in the world would anybody give ACORN funds & let them conduct the
census? The census is pivotal in apportioning congressional districts.

Well, exactly my thoughts. The lack of ethics by many ACORN locations, and their sloppiness in handling the work they do, is well documented. Why should they be trusted with something as important as the census?

622 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:37pm

re: #612 Charles

re: #580 Thanos

Flounce? Huh? No comprendo.

But since you answered my comment, would you care to either acknowledge or deny that you are proactively ensuring that commenters on LGF are toeing the Politically-Correct (for LGF) line?

[As opposed to weeding out those comments that are either obscene or constitute hate speech or personal attack]

623 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:50pm

re: #596 noshariaincanada

OT

I've noticed a trend lately.

Charles appears to be proactively weeding out non-PC commenters on his blog.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong class of 2004.

If you take the time to consider you will see that it is a group of commenters who are weeding themselves out. An important part of keeping a healthy lawn.

624 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:18:59pm
625 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:19:32pm

re: #602 Bagua

We will have much to debate then, and much progress to make. I hope I you can accept the possibility that I have some valid observations to add to the knowledge and experience you bring to the table, once you discover my actual positions, not what you have assumed them to be, we may well find common ground, as far fetched as that may sound.

Alternatively of course, if I must beat you up, I'll expect you to buy me beer for the trouble as I don't work for free. :)

I'm all for step one, but if, on the very off chance I win, I drink scotch - I know you would make me work much too hard for it.

626 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:19:38pm

ACORN and the Census %P% FactCheck.org

Looks like ACORN is involved with the census, but they are very far from the only group that will be helping with it.

627 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:19:39pm

Damned! There goes another lynch mob down the street.

We're going to run out of body-bags at this rate.

628 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:20:11pm

re: #617 Wendya

There is evidence of voter registration illegalities and irregularities within the organization resulting in investigations in 17 states resulting in multiple arrests and convictions over the last decade. That indicates a systematic problem within the organization. It does not mean anyone was acting on orders from the board, it suggests the organization has failed to exercise the level of oversight obviously needed to run an group of that size. There is no excuse for that. They are responsible for the actions of their employees. If my company were continually investigated for the misdeeds of my employees, my license to operate would be suspended. I find in unbelievable that an organization that is allowed to register voters is held to a lower standard.

It's a culture of corruption. It is really hard to see it the other way imo.

629 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:20:18pm

re: #549 Walter L. Newton

Well, I believe you just described criminal activities... does fraud fit? Yep. If what you say is true, I suspect the "political groups which hire them to collect signatures are not at all happy about" could have a possible case.

But, I have an idea, let's just blame the membership for all these criminal activities. The fat cats who run it have no knowledge of any of this.

I don't think there's anything fraudulent about what they've been doing; double-dipping like this is immoral, but as far as I know there's nothing illegal about it as long as they didn't misrepresent themselves. And frankly, my guess is that no one thought to ask if they'd be playing for the other side; they probably just assumed that wouldn't be the case.

As noted in my original post, ACORN has been doing this for over 25 years in this area. I know they've lost customers as a result. But they've never been charged with any illegal activity related to such behavior. And there's a steady stream of customers for them; it's nearly impossible to exhaust the supply, so the occasional pissed off customer is just part of the cost of doing business.

Note that I'd more than welcome a thorough investigation of ACORN at any level deemed appropriate. But investigations don't produce charges without evidence. So far, there's no evidence of collusion at any high level of ACORN regarding the various charges that have been brought against them nationally. I will be cheering the loudest when such evidence appears and charges are brought, but until then all I can do is point out, as I did above, that they drip slime and ought to be avoided.

630 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:20:32pm

re: #608 opnion

Why in the world would anybody give ACORN funds & let them conduct the
census? The census is pivotal in apportioning congressional districts.

Uh, ACORN is not going to conduct the census. They are one of (thus far) 30,000 groups signed up to help do outreach at streetlevel in making people aware of the census. Practically any organisation can apply to assist with the census; for the last one there were over 100,000 that helped. Registration is still going on, so we'll certainly see at least that many sign up to help with the 2010 census. ACORN will not be paid and will not be assisting in collecting the data.

In short, ACORN isn't going to have any special role in the census, and this is another feverdream of the kook factory. It's no surprise that it comes from Michelle Bachmann:

ACORN will not be "in charge" of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public, as Bachmann said. The U.S. Census will be in charge of that. Some of the 1.4 million people who get Census-taking jobs may learn about the job through ACORN. Workers who apply to the Census through ACORN have no better shot at the job than those who apply through any of the 30,000 other partners. That's it.

And despite Bachmann's claim, ACORN gets no money for signing on as a partner.

Once again, she is making a scaremongering claim about ACORN with facts that are ridiculously wrong. So we have to set the meter on fire once again. She earns another Pants on Fire.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

631 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:20:59pm

re: #615 reine.de.tout

Correct. I never said otherwise. As I said, the conversation was about ACORN; I just pulled up some links about them. When we talk about the stupidity and idiocy and rudeness of the right, it's been uncool to mention similar behavior by the left. So since we were talking about ACORN, that's all I looked for.

I'm not making the "because we do it they can to" argument just to be clear, I'm saying it's out there, it's not widespread, and it's not as big a deal as the punditrons would have us believe.

632 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:21:29pm

re: #622 noshariaincanada

But since you answered my comment, would you care to either acknowledge or deny that you are proactively ensuring that commenters on LGF are toeing the Politically-Correct (for LGF) line?

This is complete crap. Does that answer your question?

633 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:21:30pm

re: #596 noshariaincanada

OT

I've noticed a trend lately.

Charles appears to be proactively weeding out non-PC commenters on his blog.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Sure no problem...You will get your ass slapped down for wearing a leftest tin foil hat and posting crazy shit...And just like on the right Beck supporters putting on their little red noses and clown shoes claiming Obama is Stalin in costume..
You want to spew crazy shit on either fringe you go boy...
Purge my ass..You fuckers need to grow the hell up...

634 irongrampa  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:21:52pm

re: #624 buzzsawmonkey

Sigh. Missed part of the intended post. Meant to end it as "it being 9-11".

635 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #622 noshariaincanada

And by the way, just how many accounts have you registered here, anyway?

636 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:23:16pm

re: #611 CyanSnowHawk

Sorry bud I shouldn't even have said that much. Never mind.

637 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:23:23pm

re: #621 reine.de.tout

Well, exactly my thoughts. The lack of ethics by many ACORN locations, and their sloppiness in handling the work they do, is well documented. Why should they be trusted with something as important as the census?


Yes, it is silly to let them be involved or somebdy wants more Dem congressional districts. Who could that be?

638 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:23:33pm
639 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:24:12pm

Well, great. Who's going to bring the homemade guacamole now?

Hugo already signed up to bring the tortilla chips. And his salsa sucks, to be honest.

/

640 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:24:48pm

re: #633 HoosierHoops

Sure no problem...You will get your ass slapped down for wearing a leftest tin foil hat and posting crazy shit...And just like on the right Beck supporters putting on their little red noses and clown shoes claiming Obama is Stalin in costume..
You want to spew crazy shit on either fringe you go boy...
Purge my ass..You fuckers need to grow the hell up...

Hey 2H. You seem to be in a good mood tonite.

641 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:25:06pm

re: #630 iceweasel

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Thanks for that link and info Ice - I didn't know exactly what role they would have, and it appears it will be - well, nothing, really.

Organizations like ACORN have potential to do a lot of good, imo, and the top level of that organization, needs to get a handle on the activities of their various locations.

642 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:25:11pm

re: #622 noshariaincanada

But since you answered my comment, would you care to either acknowledge or deny that you areb proactively ensuring that commenters on LGF are toeing the Politically-Correct (for LGF) line?

Confirm or deny? Last I looked this is a blog, not a court of law and you are insulting your host.

643 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:25:26pm

re: #621 reine.de.tout

Well, exactly my thoughts. The lack of ethics by many ACORN locations, and their sloppiness in handling the work they do, is well documented. Why should they be trusted with something as important as the census?

hey reine, see my post at 630. ACORN is one of (thus far) 30,000 organisations signed up as partners for the Census; they won't be collecting the data and they won't be paid.

All the partners do is outreach in their communities to ensure people know about the census and to encourage them to fill it out. Last census had over 100,000 organisations as partners; this census will likely have at least as many (organisations are still signing up).

644 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Because they have a good knowledge of the community, they are like a service organization, like boy scouts or the Lions club and they already have a list of the people they will need to talk to.
/

That's it, like the Boy Scouts . Walter you cut right to the chase.:)

645 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:26:17pm

re: #643 iceweasel

hey reine, see my post at 630. ACORN is one of (thus far) 30,000 organisations signed up as partners for the Census; they won't be collecting the data and they won't be paid.

All the partners do is outreach in their communities to ensure people know about the census and to encourage them to fill it out. Last census had over 100,000 organisations as partners; this census will likely have at least as many (organisations are still signing up).

And go see my 641.

646 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:26:44pm

re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm all for step one, but if, on the very off chance I win, I drink scotch - I know you would make me work much too hard for it.

Wow, I drink Scotch too! Is this one of those "convergences" we've been reading about?

647 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:26:46pm

re: #626 Charles

ACORN and the Census %P% FactCheck.org

Looks like ACORN is involved with the census, but they are very far from the only group that will be helping with it.

From the article...

"ACORN checked off, among other items, "identify job candidates and/or distribute and display recruiting materials" and "provide space to train new [census] employees." But government officials have made it clear that that’s a far cry from having ACORN hire workers and conduct the census."

648 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:10pm

re: #640 Erik The Red

Hey 2H. You seem to be in a good mood tonite.

1/2 hour half till NFL season starts? Yup...Yu can't buy more fun..
How are you bro?

649 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:16pm

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

650 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:25pm

re: #637 opnion

Yes, it is silly to let them be involved or somebdy wants more Dem congressional districts. Who could that be?

This is more wingnuttery. And yes, I use that word deliberately. Check Charles' link to factcheck.org, and what I posted from Politifact.

BTW, by encouraging people to NOT fill out the census, Bachmann is ensuring her constituents will get less money and less help. Nice work, huh?

651 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:39pm

re: #636 esch

I didn't mean to come across as so defensive either. I think it sucks that we're dropping production, because it will be way too expensive to restart, and when the global security demands change I think we will be caught with our pants not completely down, but certainly not all the way up.

652 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:42pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

That's a Good Luck baby!

653 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:43pm

re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm all for step one, but if, on the very off chance I win, I drink scotch - I know you would make me work much too hard for it.

So did I, more than you want to know. Gee, if you make me pissed enough I may start drinking again with you :)

654 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:45pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

nein!

655 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:27:51pm

re: #644 opnion

That's it, like the Boy Scouts . Walter you cut right to the chase.:)

No, the Boy Scouts are evil ... San Francisco said so.

/ps - for any offended flamers - I was a Boy Scout, and a LOT of them ARE evil

/

656 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:13pm

re: #634 irongrampa

Sigh. Missed part of the intended post. Meant to end it as "it being 9-11".

Nothing on this side of the pond, that I could find.
But saw in the TV program one conspiracy filled 'documentary' this evening and another on a different station tomorrow.
Yech. Germany is a disgrace.

657 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #646 Bagua

Wow, I drink Scotch too! Is this one of those "convergences" we've been reading about?

Could be... I have a bottle of Lagavulin, a bottle of Springbank some Dalwhine and a nice cask strength Nadurra Glenlivet on hand.

658 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #646 Bagua

Wow, I drink Scotch too! Is this one of those "convergences" we've been reading about?

It could be an inflection point.

/

659 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:36pm

re: #641 reine.de.tout

Organizations like ACORN have potential to do a lot of good, imo, and the top level of that organization, needs to get a handle on the activities of their various locations.

Yup.

So far many local offices have demonstrated they are out of control, and there is little supervision and less accountability. This must change in order for the organization to be taken seriously.

660 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:40pm

re: #551 iceweasel

LGF has always been anti-idiotarian and about reporting fact, not fantasies. Debunking happens to both the left and the right.

Should I thank you for debunking me?
I spent many hours here before the election reading articles and comments about Acorn's wrongdoings. And most of all, IIRC, Acorn was portrayed here as a community organization which was cravenly used by candidate Obama to advance his political purposes.

Now, after Obama has won the election, we learn that the upper echelons of Acorn are not being vigorously investigated and prosecuted - well surprise, surprise, surprise.

And to top it off I am now reminded that voter registration fraud is no big deal and everybody does it.

Will you forgive me if I point out that the smell is a bit rich to me.

661 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

Mazel Tov!

662 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:55pm

re: #633 HoosierHoops

Sure no problem...You will get your ass slapped down for wearing a leftest tin foil hat and posting crazy shit...And just like on the right Beck supporters putting on their little red noses and clown shoes claiming Obama is Stalin in costume..
You want to spew crazy shit on either fringe you go boy...
Purge my ass..You fuckers need to grow the hell up...

Well said. There's no purge going on. Just a bunch of people who can not tolerate seeing the idiocy on their own side being called out and are proceeding to behave either like spoiled children or assholes. Folks joined an anti-idiotarian blog. If it happened to be their side being the idiotarians (and the right are at the moment) they should have known this would be coming.

And if it's just the increased presence of alternate points of view that makes them do it...well, that's just pathetic.

663 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:28:56pm

re: #648 HoosierHoops

1/2 hour half till NFL season starts? Yup...Yu can't buy more fun..
How are you bro?

Great. Also looking forward to kick off. :))

664 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #641 reine.de.tout

Thanks for that link and info Ice - I didn't know exactly what role they would have, and it appears it will be - well, nothing, really.

Organizations like ACORN have potential to do a lot of good, imo, and the top level of that organization, needs to get a handle on the activities of their various locations.

Yup, totally agree with you.
I checked out the ACORN census rumours a while back when they first popped up; that's why I had that link. There doesn't seem to be any doubt that ACORN is sloppy and shoddy, for sure. But not the criminal masterminds that Beck wants us to think.

665 WindHorse  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #649 yochanan

...and hopefully with ten fingers and ten toes...

666 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:29:55pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

Could be... I have a bottle of Lagavulin, a bottle of Springbank some Dalwhine and a nice cask strength Nadurra Glenlivet on hand.

You see Ludwig.. I never got Scotch..It tastes weird to me...
How are you doing tonight?

667 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:30:05pm
668 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:30:25pm

re: #651 CyanSnowHawk

I didn't mean to come across as so defensive either. I think it sucks that we're dropping production, because it will be way too expensive to restart, and when the global security demands change I think we will be caught with our pants not completely down, but certainly not all the way up.

I agree 100%.

This is incredibly optimistic and shortsighted. Ramp up sounds good but is very very difficult to do. It's not easy to get those engineers back. They don't wait around.

669 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:30:55pm

re: #662 Bloodnok

Well said. There's no purge going on. Just a bunch of people who can not tolerate seeing the idiocy on their own side being called out and are proceeding to behave either like spoiled children or assholes. Folks joined an anti-idiotarian blog. If it happened to be their side being the idiotarians (and the right are at the moment) they should have known this would be coming.

And if it's just the increased presence of alternate points of view that makes them do it...well, that's just pathetic.

Nok - I cannot tell you (but maybe you know) how very very hard it is to hear and see the idiocy of "my" side. Really. It's very hard.

Jorline made a comment the other night that he's going to have to start voting only for himself, it looks like - I just about feel the same way.

670 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:04pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

Congratulations to all - especially the newest!

671 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:12pm

re: #665 WindHorse

not mine for sure.

672 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:28pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

I think every baby born on 9/9/9 that weighed between 9lb 1oz and 10lbs has 9lb 9oz listed on their birth certificates. That is, if they have birth certificates.

673 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #666 HoosierHoops

You see Ludwig.. I never got Scotch..It tastes weird to me...
How are you doing tonight?

I'm doing great buddy... If you don't care for scotch, I always keep rum and tequila and mixers for the blender :)

674 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:43pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

What baby, are you a grandfather?

675 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #660 Spare O'Lake

And to top it off I am now reminded that voter registration fraud is no big deal and everybody does it.

Will you forgive me if I point out that the smell is a bit rich to me.

You seem to be reading a comment thread that exists only in your mind.

Not a single person here has said that "voter fraud is no big deal."

676 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:32:01pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

Could be... I have a bottle of Lagavulin, a bottle of Springbank some Dalwhine and a nice cask strength Nadurra Glenlivet on hand.

We might disagree on many things, but we could spend an enjoyable evening together drinking and talking scotch.

677 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:32:41pm

re: #672 CyanSnowHawk

I think every baby born on 9/9/9 that weighed between 9lb 1oz and 10lbs has 9lb 9oz listed on their birth certificates. That is, if they have birth certificates.

You're as evil as a Boy Scout!

/

678 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:32:48pm

re: #667 buzzsawmonkey

Number 9...number 9...number 9...number 9...

Wrong day...so solly...but please try again.

679 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:32:51pm

We can create more CENSUS conspiracies!

Harris Corporation Selects CNSI as a Subcontractor in the 2010 Census Field Data Collection Automation Program

And a link to their site:

CNSI

Here's their leadership team!

B. Chatterjee
Co-founder and President

Jaytee Kanwal
Co-founder and Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Reet Singh
Co-founder and Chief Administrative Officer (CAO)

Adnan Ahmed
Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer (CSO)

Conspiracy! /

680 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:32:52pm

re: #649 yochanan

baby born in wis. on sept 9, 09 weight 9 lb 9 oz.

I was never in Wisconsin...
I swear.

Hello Lizards.

681 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #674 opnion

no no relation to the baby just commented on the size and date.

682 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:33:09pm

re: #676 Erik The Red

We might disagree on many things, but we could spend an enjoyable evening together drinking and talking scotch.

I'll bet we could. What are some of your fav's? Are you a Glenkitche lowlander type or peaty Laiphrog...

683 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:33:14pm
684 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:33:35pm

re: #671 yochanan

not mine for sure.

Ummm, then sorta mazel tov...

685 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:34:16pm
686 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:34:16pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

Could be... I have a bottle of Lagavulin, a bottle of Springbank some Dalwhine and a nice cask strength Nadurra Glenlivet on hand.

Lovely, "I'll have a glass of the Glenlivet" Historical reference

Last time at the Casino the host treated me to a bottle of Dalhine which I quite enjoyed, so that will also due!

687 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:34:33pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

I like single malts, but I have to say that "Lagavulin" sounds like one of those drugs they flog on TV during primetime, with a list of side effects as long as your arm.

I see a ton of ads for various drugs.

Later, I see a ton of ads from lawyers telling me that if I've died from using one of these drugs, I should call their offices.

What to do?

688 vitaly  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:34:38pm

"White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said he doubts that Ahmadinejad will be invited because “Iran is failing to live up to its international obligations.”"

i'd feel better if the white house were more honest and straightforward (after all, obama says he likes honesty). why not say that ahma... will not be invited because of his consistent genocidal aspirations.

689 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

I like single malts, but I have to say that "Lagavulin" sounds like one of those drugs they flog on TV during primetime, with a list of side effects as long as your arm.

No, a mouthwash.

A very peaty mouthwash.

Peat and repeat, as they say.

690 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:33pm

re: #685 buzzsawmonkey

I know.

691 noshariaincanada  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #632 Charles

re: #622 noshariaincanada


This is complete crap. Does that answer your question?

I got my answer, Charles. And I have only one registered ID, which I would like to keep.

I brought up this (OT) because I would simply like to feel free to disagree with some of your ideas without fear of being "flounced". Since this is your house you make the calls, man.

692 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:36pm

I don't know why, but my flouncy sense is tingling.

693 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:41pm
694 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #681 yochanan

no no relation to the baby just commented on the size and date.

Well invert those numbers & you have SATAN! I saw Damien.
Hey, Peevy ready to pitch for the Sox, six & a half games back, six more
left with Detroit, any chance?

695 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:57pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

I like single malts, but I have to say that "Lagavulin" sounds like one of those drugs they flog on TV during primetime, with a list of side effects as long as your arm.

Actually Lag is generally the scotch I serve to people who have never really gotten into single malts before. It is very smooth, not peaty or charcoaly and it has a very mellow but rich flavor. It's one of my favs.

As a rule of thumb, if they don't like Lag - or at least think it is OK, then they will never like single malts... At least that is my experience.

696 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:58pm

re: #689 OldLineTexan

No, a mouthwash.

A very peaty mouthwash.

Peat and repeat, as they say.

It's obvious you have a young kid in your house.

Just as obvious as I was when I used to go to work with a barbie band-aid over the scratch on my arm.

697 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:35:59pm

anyone ever have REAL ABSINTHE?

698 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #672 CyanSnowHawk

I think every baby born on 9/9/9 that weighed between 9lb 1oz and 10lbs has 9lb 9oz listed on their birth certificates. That is, if they have birth certificates.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
///must I?

699 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:36:22pm

re: #669 reine.de.tout

Nok - I cannot tell you (but maybe you know) how very very hard it is to hear and see the idiocy of "my" side. Really. It's very hard.

Jorline made a comment the other night that he's going to have to start voting only for himself, it looks like - I just about feel the same way.

I know. I feel the same way. The party I grew up with left me. It was hard for a few months, but now I am starting to get angry about it and I do not mind joining in to expose it since it is the right thing to do. I'm not a Democrat, but I can scarcely say I'm abandoning my values since the Republican Party abandoned them first. I just needed to hear it from someone.

700 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:36:40pm

re: #691 noshariaincanada

I brought up this (OT) because I would simply like to feel free to disagree with some of your ideas without fear of being "flounced". Since this is your house you make the calls, man.

Right -- because as you can see, this thread is full of people who completely agree with me. And that's the only way I'll have it! Bwahahaha!

/dripping

701 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:36:55pm

re: #676 Erik The Red

We might disagree on many things, but we could spend an enjoyable evening together drinking and talking scotch.

Be careful though Erik, he'll have you weeping over the Poster Bears once you're liquored up and defenseless.

This task is for a professional, I selflessly volunteer to drink the Scotch!

702 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:08pm

re: #686 Bagua

Lovely, "I'll have a glass of the Glenlivet" Historical reference

Last time at the Casino the host treated me to a bottle of Dalhine which I quite enjoyed, so that will also due!

This is the 18 yr cask strength. It's for sipping slowly - and I am quite fond of it.

703 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:09pm

re: #677 OldLineTexan

You're as evil as a Boy Scout!

/

I should hope so. I just signed up Little Hawk for Cub Scouts last night.

704 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:21pm

re: #697 yochanan

anyone ever have REAL ABSINTHE?

NO, have you?

705 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #669 reine.de.tout

Nok - I cannot tell you (but maybe you know) how very very hard it is to hear and see the idiocy of "my" side. Really. It's very hard.

Jorline made a comment the other night that he's going to have to start voting only for himself, it looks like - I just about feel the same way.

And I know you would never behave like a spoiled brat or an asshole. Way way way too much class for that.

706 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:28pm

re: #660 Spare O'Lake

Should I thank you for debunking me?

And to top it off I am now reminded that voter registration fraud is no big deal and everybody does it.

Yes, you should thank me for debunking you-- just like I would thank you for debunking me.

The goal here isn't partisan positioning, but information and making an informed decision. That should mean that facts are welcome-- even if they disprove something we would like to think is true.

No one has said that voter registration fraud is no big deal; it's been pointed out that individual lazy workers making up fake registrations in names like "mickey mouse" is not evidence of a organisationally mandated attempt at voter fraud.

707 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:34pm

re: #696 reine.de.tout

It's obvious you have a young kid in your house.

Just as obvious as I was when I used to go to work with a barbie band-aid over the scratch on my arm.

He's almost ten now ... but I remember my (first) childhood.

708 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:38pm
709 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:37:47pm

re: #705 Bloodnok

Aw.
*blush*
thanks.

710 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:07pm

re: #694 opnion

DOUBT IT BUT ...

711 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:10pm

re: #675 Charles

You seem to be reading a comment thread that exists only in your mind.

Not a single person here has said that "voter fraud is no big deal."

Point of clarification.
I said "voter registration fraud".
You said "voter fraud", but omitted the word "registration".
Iceweasel made a big deal of the distinction, saying that voter registration fraud is no big deal, just a bunch of lazy employees.
Does that help?

712 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:13pm

re: #701 Bagua

Be careful though Erik, he'll have you weeping over the Poster Bears once you're liquored up and defenseless.

This task is for a professional, I selflessly volunteer to drink the Scotch!

Shhh... the cute polar puppies don't come out until after beer pong!

713 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:22pm

re: #703 CyanSnowHawk

I should hope so. I just signed up Little Hawk for Cub Scouts last night.

We are joining Webelos next week.

714 callahan23  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:36pm

Need some sleep for run-up to the weekend.
I'll sign off early then. Tomorrow there'll be more of me, I hope.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road. Chill.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

715 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:38:56pm

re: #704 LudwigVanQuixote

Well if i had i would not have to ask would i?

716 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:39:18pm

re: #682 LudwigVanQuixote

I'll bet we could. What are some of your fav's? Are you a Glenkitche lowlander type or peaty Laiphrog...

Quite like single malts as an after dinner dram. As an everyday scotch(which I do drink most days) I prefer a blend. I am enjoying Famous Grouse atm. JW Black,Green,Gold or Blue are also great. I don't really like the very strong oak or peat tasking single malts to much. Having said all that, I have yet to have any decently priced scotch that I would not try again.

717 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:39:19pm

re: #704 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, have you?

As long as Guinness and Jack Daniels exist, who needs anything else?

718 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:39:28pm

re: #714 callahan23

Need some sleep for run-up to the weekend.
I'll sign off early then. Tomorrow there'll be more of me, I hope.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road. Chill.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Later (Callahan).

719 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:39:52pm

re: #717 Enkidu90046

As long as Guinness and Jack Daniels exist, who needs anything else?

Makers Mark. ;)

720 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:39:53pm

re: #483 Charles

Since people seem to be certain that lots of ACORN management people have been convicted of crimes, can anyone link to those convictions?

I've searched. The only convictions I see are of very low level people, and in several cases the main organization was specifically exonerated of charges that they sanctioned the fraudulent behavior.

Anyone have a link to show otherwise?

Additionally, in the case that was in the news during the campaign, the ACORN organization itself alerted authorities to the problem. Some how that always gets ignored.

721 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:40:32pm
722 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:40:50pm

re: #716 Erik The Red

Quite like single malts as an after dinner dram. As an everyday scotch(which I do drink most days) I prefer a blend. I am enjoying Famous Grouse atm. JW Black,Green,Gold or Blue are also great. I don't really like the very strong oak or peat tasking single malts to much. Having said all that, I have yet to have any decently priced scotch that I would not try again.

I strongly recommend the Lagavulin to you then. Tomintoul as well. They can even be considered refreshing...

723 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:04pm

re: #710 yochanan

DOUBT IT BUT ...

I agree, but I still have some hope. Look what they had to do last
year to get into the playoffs.

724 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #717 Enkidu90046

As long as Guinness and Jack Daniels exist, who needs anything else?

I would likely turn down neither :)

725 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:20pm

re: #717 Enkidu90046

As long as Guinness and Jack Daniels exist, who needs anything else?

frankly chemay is better than guninness and a aged single malt out the back jack.

726 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #719 DEZes

Makers Mark. ;)

Good point.

Also, Sammy Smith's Oatmeal Stout should be added to the list.

727 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #704 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, have you?

I have...Somebody in 1st platoon snatched a bottle in Germany on the way home from Iraq..I tried a sip at the coming home party.

728 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:41:37pm

re: #714 callahan23

Need some sleep for run-up to the weekend.
I'll sign off early then. Tomorrow there'll be more of me, I hope.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road. Chill.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Oooh, we're getting some callahan clones!

729 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:07pm

re: #725 yochanan

frankly chemay is better than guninness...

How DARE you!!!

730 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:25pm

re: #715 yochanan

Well if i had i would not have to ask would i?

Fair enough. It is only something I have read about - and generally in a negative for health and well being context. But I confess some curiosity about it.

731 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:26pm

re: #714 callahan23

Need some sleep for run-up to the weekend.
I'll sign off early then. Tomorrow there'll be more of me, I hope.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road. Chill.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Later Cal23. :))

732 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:37pm

re: #726 Enkidu90046

Good point.

Also, Sammy Smith's Oatmeal Stout should be added to the list.

Sammy Smiths, Is that a micro brew?

733 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:43pm

re: #722 LudwigVanQuixote

I strongly recommend the Lagavulin to you then. Tomintoul as well. They can even be considered refreshing...

Tomintoul ... the only Scotch with eight great tomatoes in each little-bitty bottle!

/

734 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #725 yochanan

frankly chemay is better than guninness and a aged single malt out the back jack.

Chemay is still my fav ale.

735 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:43:15pm

re: #727 HoosierHoops

I have...Somebody in 1st platoon snatched a bottle in Germany on the way home from Iraq..I tried a sip at the coming home party.

And...
*waves*

736 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:43:22pm

re: #733 OldLineTexan

Tomintoul ... the only Scotch with eight great tomatoes in each little-bitty bottle!

/

Tomatoes?

737 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:43:36pm

re: #732 DEZes

Nope. They are a major brewer in England. Their most popular beer is probably their Nut Brown Ale.

738 Truck Monkey  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:43:42pm

re: #723 opnion

I agree, but I still have some hope. Look what they had to do last
year to get into the playoffs.

They need Ditka.

739 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:44:28pm

re: #728 wrenchwench

Oooh, we're getting some callahan clones!

Now there's two of him?
Oh watta world..
///

740 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:44:38pm
741 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:02pm

re: #735 Floral Giraffe

And...
*waves*

*Waves left handed*

742 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:04pm

re: #729 Enkidu90046

How DARE you!!!

Well they are different things entirely... If you want an ale, I'd go Chimay... For a non-micro brew stout though, Guinness all the way.

743 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:35pm

re: #734 LudwigVanQuixote

one purim i had two of the large size of the 9% chemay lets just say i would have had trouble telling the different between the two guys bibi and the iranian short shit.

744 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:51pm

Y'all can have the Chimay.

However, it is hard to get any Basil Hayden's with Mandy around all the time.

/

745 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:52pm

re: #720 Locker

Additionally, in the case that was in the news during the campaign, the ACORN organization itself alerted authorities to the problem. Some how that always gets ignored.

Of course it does. It's all about the hate and rage. Like the Obama schoolkids speech-- even after it was revealed there was nothing wrong with it at all (predictibly) some continued to insist on being angry at the imaginary speech they imagined Obama really wanted to give. Just like people like to have fights with the imaginary thread or the position they want to imagine a poster is espousing, rather than the ones actually espoused. We're not even talking about strawman arguments here -- these are complete imaginary-man arguments, invisible-man arguments.

Anyway, the wingularity approacheth:

This punchy term nicely captures the way that rightwing argumentation has become gradually detached from independently recognized reality and into a state of total unselfawareness. The pace of change is also accelerating.
(snip)
Thanks to the magic of talk radio and the internet, these guys can talk to no-one but each other for extremely long stretches of time, so they have no idea how crazy they sound. The time could come in the very near future when it becomes totally impossible for any ordinary person to have any idea what they are talking about. They will be beyond ordinary logic, beyond spoof. The wingularity will have arrived.

746 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:54pm

Ohhh and GO STEELERS! There, it is out of my system.

747 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:45:55pm

re: #722 LudwigVanQuixote

I strongly recommend the Lagavulin to you then. Tomintoul as well. They can even be considered refreshing...

I have a very limited but extensive collection of about 60 bottles in various sizes. Not to many single malts. It is still in storage in S.Africa. I hope the store men don't drink it.

748 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:46:04pm

re: #524 bloodstar

He's Charles and you're not? ;)

Being in charge of a blog does tend to grant a wee bit of gravitas to that person.

Please believe.

749 jpkoch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:46:13pm

Speaking of Glenlivet, there is nothing better on a cold winter night than a jigger of Scotch on ice chased with a pint of Wee Heavy (Scotch Ale).

750 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:46:53pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

My GF found a "recipe" for a Guinness ice cream float that sounds delicious.

751 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:00pm

re: #741 DEZes

How's your sore digit doing?
Well, I hope?

752 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:00pm

re: #747 Erik The Red

I have a very limited but extensive collection of about 60 bottles in various sizes. Not to many single malts. It is still in storage in S.Africa. I hope the store men don't drink it.

Then you have great taste in the blends. I've always been a single malt kind of guy though.

753 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:08pm

re: #737 Enkidu90046

Nope. They are a major brewer in England. Their most popular beer is probably their Nut Brown Ale.

I wonder if its available in the States, I shall put Google on it.

754 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:15pm

re: #740 buzzsawmonkey

Basically classic absinthe was 120 proof arak, with some wormwood added.

man if you drink arak, even jon cary wont be able to halp you

/

755 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:27pm

re: #750 Enkidu90046

My GF found a "recipe" for a Guinness ice cream float that sounds delicious.

Wow - what flavor would you use?

756 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:42pm

re: #738 Truck Monkey

They need Ditka.

My friend , if De had Coach Ditka it would be unfair. Da Bears!

757 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:45pm

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and GO STEELERS! There, it is out of my system.

I used to like the Steelers until they (along with the refs) stole Superbowl XL from the Seahawks (my team).

758 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:47:45pm
759 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and GO away STEELERS! There, it is out of my system.

FTFY

GO BEARS.

760 jpkoch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:48:31pm

re: #732 DEZes

And Old Peculiar

761 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:48:33pm

re: #753 DEZes

I wonder if its available in the States, I shall put Google on it.

I get it in Houston, although it ain't cheap.

762 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:48:35pm

re: #749 jpkoch

Speaking of Glenlivet, there is nothing better on a cold winter night than a jigger of Scotch on ice chased with a pint of Wee Heavy (Scotch Ale).

Everyone, remember that lesson from college?

Liquor before beer, never fear...

763 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:48:38pm

re: #753 DEZes

I wonder if its available in the States, I shall put Google on it.

It is easy to find here in Los Angeles. Heck, you can even get it at some bars in LA (Barney's Beanery comes to mind).

764 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #754 OldLineTexan

HAD 90 proof arak in israel on purim once.
i suspect the wormwood would be a real kicker though

765 pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:49:59pm

Still seeing rumors that Hillary may step down from SOS to run for governor of NY.

Hypothetically, of course, whom might Obama select as SOS were this to occur?

766 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:15pm

re: #760 jpkoch

old'p. is one brew that was very odd flavored like some one tossed a pair of old boots into the vat.

767 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #727 HoosierHoops

I have...Somebody in 1st platoon snatched a bottle in Germany on the way home from Iraq..I tried a sip at the coming home party.

How did it taste?

768 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:25pm
769 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:26pm

re: #751 Floral Giraffe

How's your sore digit doing?
Well, I hope?

Been a lot off pain this evening, but on the upside, when I got home this evening, some elves had mowed my lawn.
I have very few, but very good neighbors.
How are you getting along?

770 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:32pm

re: #761 OldLineTexan

I get it in Houston, although it ain't cheap.

Where in Houston?

771 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:50:32pm
772 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:51:10pm
773 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:51:39pm

re: #727 HoosierHoops

I have...Somebody in 1st platoon snatched a bottle in Germany on the way home from Iraq..I tried a sip at the coming home party.

I've actually always been curious. I thought there was this whole ritual with sugar cubes and spoons and such.

774 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:51:41pm

re: #760 jpkoch

And Old Peculiar

Whats my last girl friend have to do with it?
///

775 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #755 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow - what flavor would you use?

Chocolate comes to mind.

776 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:52:25pm

re: #560 iceweasel

I'm curious, when was it decided that a failure to join in on fake hysterical outrage about X means one loves and supports X? Because that seems like a very strange worldview to me.

I get that a lot here. Not from everyone mind you but it happens on a daily basis. You get that a lot too on some of the left sites I read if you say anything good about anything a conservative did or said.

777 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:52:32pm

re: #772 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry

Isn't he the Democrat representing Hanoi?

778 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:52:44pm

Later Lizards. Have fun. Going to get the snacks ready for some...Football.
Stay Scaly. :)))

779 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:52:56pm

Somebody hold my beer - I'm going to flounce!

780 Truck Monkey  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:52:56pm

re: #759 yochanan

FTFY

GO BEARS... and take the Cubs with ya

FTFY

781 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:53:11pm

re: #769 DEZes

I'm sorry it hurts, but the good news, is it has sensation!
All is well here!

782 pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:53:14pm

re: #772 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry

I'm trying to picture that and I keep remembering that photo that Charles posted of him looking all goofy.

783 jpkoch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:53:53pm

re: #766 yochanan

Besides a unique strain of yeast, the brewers add treacle to the mash. The taste is malty with an under current of old leather. Kind of like Beligan Ale. Not for everyone, of course.

784 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:54:18pm

re: #761 OldLineTexan

I get it in Houston, although it ain't cheap.

Whats is cheap anymore?
Besides the junk I get at Christmas. ;)

785 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #780 Truck Monkey

FTFY

f... the chicago fubs GO WHITE SOX

786 captdiggs  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:05pm

The clock on Iran is ticking down, and I really don't think this tidbit of news makes a real difference.
Israel is going to be forced to go it alone and I just hope Obama doesn't actually make it harder for them.

787 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:10pm

re: #779 Racer X

Somebody hold my beer - I'm going to flounce!

NOW STOP THAT.

788 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:20pm
789 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:28pm

re: #779 Racer X

Somebody hold my beer - I'm going to flounce!

Okay, but I may drink it for you.

790 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:30pm

Hey I just got an email flyer from BevMo - they have a special on bourbon right now.

791 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:44pm

re: #783 jpkoch

Besides a unique strain of yeast, the brewers add treacle to the mash. The taste is malty with an under current of old GYM SHOE. Kind of like Beligan Ale. Not for everyone, of course.

FTFY.

792 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:55:51pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops

What up? Hope you are well...I'm picking the Steelers by 14..Vegas is 7..
I'm jacked it's almost NFL football in 1 hour...

You have no idea how happy it will make me if you beat the spread.

793 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:56:11pm

re: #772 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry

I thought SoS was for people that might be a political threat to The Won.

794 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:56:24pm

re: #770 Bagua

Where in Houston?

Spec's

795 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:56:45pm

re: #779 Racer X

Somebody hold my beer - I'm going to flounce!

DON'T LITE ANY MATCHS

796 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #794 OldLineTexan

Cheers.

797 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #692 Charles

I don't know why, but my flouncy sense is tingling.

Well, that other site is seething now about the earlier post here.

I am amused that the two prevailing theories about me are that I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife and the other is that Ice and I should have a D/s relationship.

:)

798 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:57:12pm

re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote

I've actually always been curious. I thought there was this whole ritual with sugar cubes and spoons and such.

It was a huge party with lots of bad ass Marines drinking lots of stuff..
If I remember..And don't quote me..It was like a Greek Liquor on Steroids..
That's all I recall from the party

799 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:57:51pm

re: #790 Racer X

Hey I just got an email flyer from BevMo - they have a special on bourbon right now.

I was wondering what the CIA was doing with Echelon after they had to quit using it for espionage.

800 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:58:16pm

re: #769 DEZes

Been a lot off pain this evening, but on the upside, when I got home this evening, some elves had mowed my lawn.
I have very few, but very good neighbors.
How are you getting along?

I am so glad you are doing better and have nice elves in the neighborhood.

801 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:58:22pm
802 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:58:22pm

re: #664 iceweasel

Yup, totally agree with you.
I checked out the ACORN census rumours a while back when they first popped up; that's why I had that link. There doesn't seem to be any doubt that ACORN is sloppy and shoddy, for sure. But not the criminal masterminds that Beck wants us to think.

OK I got on this census trail and started looking for subcontractors and vendors for the census. Lot of areas for potential dirt finding so to speak. Anyway, I just remembered a little factoid. Who did Obama first select to run the Commerce Department early this year? Senator Judd Gregg (R) who turned it down for a "slight" over the handling of the census. Long story short, the census is part of the Commerce Department. Missed chance to have Republican nearby -- something for the critics to think about.

Also, Robert M. Groves was held up as director of the census but Harry Reid used a procedural move to get him nominated. Turns out, that even though he's a strong Democrat he has his roots with the presidency of George H. W. Bush:

In 1990, President George H.W. Bush asked Groves to join the Census Bureau as the associate director. Groves worked on finishing the final tally of the 1990 census, and advocated using statistical models to fill in gaps in the total numbers. Some 1990 estimates suggested that sampling would add over 5 million additional people to the total U.S. population. At the time, Groves recommended tht Commerce Secretary Robert A. Mosbacher implement these models. Mosbacher did not listen, and concluded that only a literal head count of all U.S. citizens could be used in conducting the census.Montopoli, Brian, "Obama To Tap Sampling Expert To Be Census Director," CBS News, April 2, 2009.

803 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:58:44pm

re: #797 LudwigVanQuixote

I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife AND ICE is the wife.


just kidding well sort of.

804 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:58:52pm

re: #798 HoosierHoops

It was a huge party with lots of bad ass Marines drinking lots of stuff..
If I remember..And don't quote me..It was like a Greek Liquor on Steroids..
That's all I recall from the party

lol... sounds like a hell of a party.

805 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:59:06pm

re: #797 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, that other site is seething now about the earlier post here.

I am amused that the two prevailing theories about me are that I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife and the other is that Ice and I should have a D/s relationship.

:)

So what, even if they do have you figured out Ludwig I still say they are a bunch of losers.

806 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:59:36pm

Good news on the disease fighting front.

For the first time, scientists have found a genetic link to the most common form of ALS.

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

807 jpkoch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:59:51pm

re: #791 yochanan


Hey be nice. In the old German state of Saxony there used to be a beer known as Goese. It was a filthy wheat ale that the locals used to add rock salt to. Needless to say it never survived the demise of the DDR. Kinda like the Trabant.

808 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:00:19pm

re: #786 captdiggs

What's up captain diggs?

Long time no talky (it is checkmate from the "hate board" if you have forgotten my new moniker).

809 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:00:20pm

re: #805 Bagua

So what, even if they do have you figured out Ludwig I still say they are a bunch of losers.

Lol!

NO BAGEL!

810 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:00:23pm

re: #805 Bagua

So what, even if they do have you figured out Ludwig I still say they are a bunch of losers.

ROTFLMAO, much the amusement of my coworkers.

811 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:00:39pm

re: #800 LudwigVanQuixote

I am so glad you are doing better and have nice elves in the neighborhood.

Thanks, I just have to figure out which elf it was, with only 6 neighbors with in a half mile, it wont take long. ;)

812 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #807 jpkoch

i wanted a tribi kind of needed a paper weight.

813 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:01:44pm

re: #796 Bagua

Cheers.

They put in a giant new one across the freeway. They keep a good variety of beer. I don't drink all that much, and I like to try out the fancy stuff.

814 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:01:49pm

re: #620 opnion

Doing well. Are you ready for some football?
We have big hopes for the Bears this year. Cutler doesn't have the
recievers that he had in Denver, but the Bears do look good.

My first fantasy matchup is against a guy who has Cutler. I'm running Matt Ryan and they are rated closely. Gonna be a matchup.

815 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02:22pm

Anyone else watching the Georgia Tech game (while waiting for the NFL season opener to start)?

I gotta root for GT. My best friend used to play for them (and later a couple years with the Bears).

816 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #815 Enkidu90046

Anyone else watching the Georgia Tech game (while waiting for the NFL season opener to start)?

I gotta root for GT. My best friend used to play for them (and later a couple years with the Bears).

ok that is cool...

817 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #699 Bloodnok

I know. I feel the same way. The party I grew up with left me. It was hard for a few months, but now I am starting to get angry about it and I do not mind joining in to expose it since it is the right thing to do. I'm not a Democrat, but I can scarcely say I'm abandoning my values since the Republican Party abandoned them first. I just needed to hear it from someone.

Now you know how Zell Miller felt.

818 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:41pm

re: #785 yochanan

f... the chicago fubs GO WHITE SOX

Right on! We took em 6 games to 4 & that be be all either team gets this year , but we got them.

819 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:43pm

I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife AND ICE is the wife.


just kidding well sort of.

it's twrueee it's twruee

820 DEZes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:43pm

re: #815 Enkidu90046

Anyone else watching the Georgia Tech game (while waiting for the NFL season opener to start)?

I gotta root for GT. My best friend used to play for them (and later a couple years with the Bears).

If I would get off my duff, and buy a converter, I could use my Televisions for such things. ;)

821 Flavia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:45pm

I pray that my wildest suspicions may be correct: that he has been playing possum for the terrorists so as to ALSO supplicate those who think that Bush was too "cowboy". That NOW he can say "Well, I tried, they wouldn't play nice, all bets are off. Let's face it - he's only been in office for less than a year, and he's been trying to take care of domestic matters (he still is! Whether you agree with what he's doing or not, you have to admit that it's all time-consuming).

I am sure many will call me a Pollyanna, or naive, but it is possible that this is a strategy. And it's the smartest one I can see coming from his behavior. I prefer to be called an optimist. :-)

822 jpkoch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:03:47pm

Well gota go. Off to the viaduct where my fellow hobos are offering me 2 bottles of Night Train.

823 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:04:10pm

re: #797 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, that other site is seething now about the earlier post here.

I am amused that the two prevailing theories about me are that I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife and the other is that Ice and I should have a D/s relationship.

:)

I find your ideas intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!

Youtube Video
824 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:04:18pm

re: #798 HoosierHoops

It was a huge party with lots of bad ass Marines drinking lots of stuff..
If I remember..And don't quote me..It was like a Greek Liquor on Steroids..
That's all I recall from the party

Also, when did you get back?

825 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:04:57pm

re: #819 yochanan

I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife AND ICE is the wife.

just kidding well sort of.

it's twrueee it's twruee

NO BAGEL for you either!

826 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:09pm

re: #818 opnion

well one of our pitchers hurled a perfect game so the WHITE SOX should be mentioned in the hall of fame for this year.

827 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:10pm

re: #804 LudwigVanQuixote

lol... sounds like a hell of a party.

We rented a beach house at Oceanside for 2 weeks..Everybody from 1st platoon pitched in on a 3 story wicked beach house on Cleveland Street...
Many other parents flew in and we enjoyed the time of our lives...Our kids came home safe.. The 3/5th Marines lost no one in action in Fallujah..Everyone came home safe...When the Buses pulled into Camp P. at 1:30 am the screaming could pierce and bust your ear drums..
God Bless our Hero's!

828 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:16pm

re: #700 Charles

Right -- because as you can see, this thread is full of people who completely agree with me. And that's the only way I'll have it! Bwahahaha!

/dripping

You don't allow people to disagree with you. I read it on another blog, so it must be troo.

829 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:17pm

re: #823 iceweasel

I find your ideas intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!


[Video]

rrrooowww

830 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:36pm

re: #816 LudwigVanQuixote

He also used to bodyguard for Dr. Dre and later Brittney Spears (among other celebs). As a matter of fact, he almost brought Brittney to my passover Seder a few years ago when he couldn't get out of work for her at teh last second (and she always wanted to hang out with my friend and meet all of his friends). But then he remember that another attendee of the Seder was obsessed with Brittany and thought better of it... LOL!

831 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:39pm

re: #827 HoosierHoops

We rented a beach house at Oceanside for 2 weeks..Everybody from 1st platoon pitched in on a 3 story wicked beach house on Cleveland Street...
Many other parents flew in and we enjoyed the time of our lives...Our kids came home safe.. The 3/5th Marines lost no one in action in Fallujah..Everyone came home safe...When the Buses pulled into Camp P. at 1:30 am the screaming could pierce and bust your ear drums..
God Bless our Hero's!

Amen!

832 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:42pm

re: #489 SixDegrees

Off topic and needlessly inflammatory.

Yea probably. Retracted.

833 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #814 Locker

My first fantasy matchup is against a guy who has Cutler. I'm running Matt Ryan and they are rated closely. Gonna be a matchup.

Two good quarterbacks. Ryan as a collegian was fantastic, no doubt.

834 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:06:40pm

re: #823 iceweasel

I find your ideas intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!


[Video]

Upding for one of my favorite Simpsons qoutes and one I've been meaning to use here.

And sign me up too.

835 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:06:44pm

Aaaarrrghhh

836 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:07:18pm

re: #815 Enkidu90046

Anyone else watching the Georgia Tech game (while waiting for the NFL season opener to start)?

I gotta root for GT. My best friend used to play for them (and later a couple years with the Bears).

I'm always rooting for the Ramblin' Wrecks.

/Familial connection.

837 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:07:37pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

You don't allow people to disagree with you. I read it on another blog, so it must be troo.

Please don't tell Charles I down dinged him today.

838 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:07:41pm

re: #821 Flavia

I pray that my wildest suspicions may be correct: that he has been playing possum for the terrorists so as to ALSO supplicate those who think that Bush was too "cowboy". That NOW he can say "Well, I tried, they wouldn't play nice, all bets are off. Let's face it - he's only been in office for less than a year, and he's been trying to take care of domestic matters (he still is! Whether you agree with what he's doing or not, you have to admit that it's all time-consuming).

I am sure many will call me a Pollyanna, or naive, but it is possible that this is a strategy. And it's the smartest one I can see coming from his behavior. I prefer to be called an optimist. :-)

That would certainly be something to pray for. I personally think that he came in with a lot of ideas about how things work and ought to be, but has been coming to grips with reality slowly but surely.

839 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:08:06pm

re: #817 Sharmuta

Now you know how Zell Miller felt.

Or the Democrats in Texas when I was a kid.

840 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:09:02pm

re: #821 Flavia

That would be kinda like "Only Nixon could go to China." I like it.

841 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:09:18pm

re: #802 Gus 802

Wow Gus cool stuff, I did not know any of that! Favourited!

842 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:09:42pm

re: #826 yochanan

well one of our pitchers hurled a perfect game so the WHITE SOX should be mentioned in the hall of fame for this year.

Maybe Burhle. Beckham is a can't miss star, barring injury.
The rotation now looks solid. I still have a little hope for playoffs this year, but next year they should be solid.

843 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:10:08pm

What is this Black Eyed Peas nonsense? Just start the f'n game.

844 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:12:02pm

well my fav. college football teams changes every week.

845 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #827 HoosierHoops

We rented a beach house at Oceanside for 2 weeks..Everybody from 1st platoon pitched in on a 3 story wicked beach house on Cleveland Street...
Many other parents flew in and we enjoyed the time of our lives...Our kids came home safe.. The 3/5th Marines lost no one in action in Fallujah..Everyone came home safe...When the Buses pulled into Camp P. at 1:30 am the screaming could pierce and bust your ear drums..
God Bless our Hero's!


Semper fi to your son. We used to get out of Oceanside & go to Huntington Beach on liberty, Surf City! Surfing is really hard.

846 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:12:48pm

re: #711 Spare O'Lake

Point of clarification.
I said "voter registration fraud".
You said "voter fraud", but omitted the word "registration".
Iceweasel made a big deal of the distinction, saying that voter registration fraud is no big deal, just a bunch of lazy employees.
Does that help?

You caught me. I left out a word. That's just how tricksy I am, when I'm trying to get everyone to fall in line and march to my diabolical tune.

Seriously, it doesn't help because you're still misrepresenting what iceweasel said. Blatantly.

847 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:13:35pm

re: #844 yochanan

well my fav. college football teams changes every week.

Illinois got cremed last week & I have tickets to two games, Michigan &
Northwestern.

848 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:13:35pm

So Locker, which gitmo detainee do you think is "mislabled"?

849 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:13:37pm

Acorns iz nuts!

850 Enkidu90046  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:13:37pm

re: #836 OldLineTexan

I went to the University of Washington (back in the golden years, the Don James era when we won a share of the NT), so the Huskies are my first love, but other than that, I root for teams that my friend have connections to.

851 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:13:40pm

re: #841 iceweasel

Wow Gus cool stuff, I did not know any of that! Favourited!

Yeah, I had to, read. Came across Grove's name and saw there was some hullabaloo about some district counting in his past where he, "advocated for the use of statistical adjustments to account for this discrepancy, but his suggestion was blocked by Robert Mosbacher, a Republican and the Secretary of the Commerce Department that oversees the Census Bureau." When I saw that he was first hired into the Census Department by George H. W. Bush I though, paydirt! As you can see, he was blocked by the then Republican Commerce Secretary.

I can smell the irony all over this one.

852 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:11pm

re: #827 HoosierHoops

We rented a beach house at Oceanside for 2 weeks..Everybody from 1st platoon pitched in on a 3 story wicked beach house on Cleveland Street...
Many other parents flew in and we enjoyed the time of our lives...Our kids came home safe.. The 3/5th Marines lost no one in action in Fallujah..Everyone came home safe...When the Buses pulled into Camp P. at 1:30 am the screaming could pierce and bust your ear drums..
God Bless our Hero's!

And seriously, I am so glad your boy made it back in piece. May G-d continue to bring you blessings.

853 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:19pm

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and GO STEELERS! There, it is out of my system.

(sorry caps...) PREACH ON BROTHER!

/em SPINS HIS TERRIBLE TOWEL FURIOUSLY!

854 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:36pm

Now I know why John Stossel got transferred over to Fox.

ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan

855 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:44pm

re: #851 Gus 802

PIMF

Groves' actually. Last name is Groves.

856 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:47pm

re: #847 opnion

who is playing northwestern?

857 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:14:49pm

re: #851 Gus 802

Yeah, I had to, read. Came across Grove's name and saw there was some hullabaloo about some district counting in his past where he, "advocated for the use of statistical adjustments to account for this discrepancy, but his suggestion was blocked by Robert Mosbacher, a Republican and the Secretary of the Commerce Department that oversees the Census Bureau." When I saw that he was first hired into the Census Department by George H. W. Bush I though, paydirt! As you can see, he was blocked by the then Republican Commerce Secretary.

I can smell the irony all over this one.

Well done!

858 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:15:26pm

re: #857 LudwigVanQuixote

Well done!

And it's over the wall!

/

859 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:15:39pm

re: #797 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, that other site is seething now about the earlier post here.

Really? I can't imagine why.

860 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:16:20pm

re: #859 Charles

Really? I can't imagine why.

And it's not even Friday.

861 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:17:15pm

re: #847 opnion

Illinois got cremed last week & I have tickets to two games, Michigan &
Northwestern.

well my fav. team is the one playing NORTHWESTERN. and hopefully beating them.

862 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:18:07pm

re: #706 iceweasel

Yes, you should thank me for debunking you-- just like I would thank you for debunking me.

The goal here isn't partisan positioning, but information and making an informed decision. That should mean that facts are welcome-- even if they disprove something we would like to think is true.

No one has said that voter registration fraud is no big deal; it's been pointed out that individual lazy workers making up fake registrations in names like "mickey mouse" is not evidence of a organisationally mandated attempt at voter fraud.

OK, sorry if I misunderstood you to suggest that voter registration fraud was a petty matter. Your point about the use of "mickey mouse" is taken, but it also is evidence of a brazen lack of fear of being caught on the part of the employees.
On the other hand the use of names of dead people suggests a greater level of organization and sophistication.
And why do you assume that the voter registration fraud was not directed? At the very least it belies a serious lack of supervision from above.
BTW I did not even know until after posting my comment that Beck or other freaks were pushing the Acorn story right now, but the fact that they are should not automatically trigger a knee-jerk defence of the admittedly problematic Acorn organization.

863 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:19:55pm

re: #854 Racer X

Now I know why John Stossel got transferred over to Fox.

ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan

Scare tactics, bro!

/

864 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:20:51pm

re: #856 yochanan

who is playing northwestern?

Illinois, I have tickets for both games in Champaign.
I just hope that Illinois is better than they looked against Mizou last week or I will have long afternoons.

865 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:21:30pm

re: #859 Charles

Really? I can't imagine why.

It's actually hard to determine... there is too much incoherent screeching. It really seems to be a place where a viral and contagious form of dementia has manifested.

The best metaphor for the level of dialogue would be...

Intoxicated late 70's Brit oi punks mixing it up with skinheads on the bathroom floor of CBGB's while angry spider monkeys flung poo.

866 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:21:51pm

OT: Leopard 10.61 ready for download.

867 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:21:57pm

re: #797 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, that other site is seething now about the earlier post here.

I am amused that the two prevailing theories about me are that I am a beta male with a dominatrix wife and the other is that Ice and I should have a D/s relationship.

:)

If you see them threatening to kill me again, please let me know right away. I'm not going to be ignoring that stuff any more.

868 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:22:45pm

re: #864 opnion

Illinois, I have tickets for both games in Champaign.
I just hope that Illinois is better than they looked against Mizou last week or I will have long afternoons.

go illinois. kick the mild cats touckas for me.

869 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:23:46pm

Would I lie to you?

870 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:07pm

How to be really counterproductive...

Youtube Video
871 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:21pm

re: #867 Charles

If you see them threatening to kill me again, please let me know right away. I'm not going to be ignoring that stuff any more.

No worries, I promise that I will. Though it is not like I go there often. My first look was actually the other day. I am currently entertained in a bemused yet repulsed way. That will not last.

872 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:22pm

re: #802 Gus 802

Who did Obama first select to run the Commerce Department early this year? Senator Judd Gregg (R) who turned it down for a "slight" over the handling of the census. Long story short, the census is part of the Commerce Department. Missed chance to have Republican nearby -- something for the critics to think about.

Senator Gregg turned it down for two stated reasons. One, the size and scope of the stimulus and two, because Obama was going to have the director of the census (who falls under the commerce department) work directly with the White House after the left had a hissy fit over the thought of a republican having any control over the census. Obama politicized the census and that led to Gregg withdrawing his name.

873 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:23pm

re: #862 Spare O'Lake

And why do you assume that the voter registration fraud was not directed?

I don't 'assume' that. There is no evidence to suggest that it was. None can be found.
A better question would be, Why is it your default setting to assume it WAS directed, despite the complete lack of evidence to support that claim, and the actual explicit exoneration of the organisation of that claim in several cases?


BTW I did not even know until after posting my comment that Beck or other freaks were pushing the Acorn story right now, but the fact that they are should not automatically trigger a knee-jerk defence of the admittedly problematic Acorn organization.

I suggest that you try turning this claim around: The fact that there is no evidence of this claim, and that the people pushing it are known nuts and conspiracy mongers, should not trigger an automatic kneejerk belief that the admittedly problematic organisation ACORN has done what they've claimed.

874 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:46pm

re: #859 Charles

Really? I can't imagine why.

They're seething at Jawa over it too.

875 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:24:53pm

re: #869 Racer X

Would I lie to you?

LMFAO.

876 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:25:07pm

re: #868 yochanan

go illinois. kick the mild cats touckas for me.

I am an llini fan, family ties. Two years ago when they beat Ohio State, fantastic! The Rose Bowl not so much.

877 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:25:15pm

Hydrogen Barackside

878 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:25:45pm

Wilson's opponent raised 200K today. arggg

879 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:26:40pm

re: #874 Sharmuta

They're seething at Jawa over it too.

Well, they're about to get even more to seethe over.

880 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:26:59pm

re: #878 Thanos

Wilson's opponent raised 200K today. arggg

Aw come on, Thanos. You lie.

/

881 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:27:00pm

re: #876 opnion

i have major issues with northwestern, so i let that tell me who to be for in college football. thus anyone that plays um

882 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:27:09pm

Well thanks for the chat all, I must get back to the lab...

Please use the Bat Phone to alert me of any impending flounces to add to my study.

883 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:27:30pm

re: #879 Charles

Well, they're about to get even more to seethe over.

I can hardly wait. Kick their asses Charles.

884 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:28:00pm

re: #880 Bloodnok

Aw come on, Thanos. You lie.

/

405k in a single day this report says:

[Link:rawstory.com... ]

885 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:29:02pm

re: #884 Locker

405k in a single day this report says:

[Link:rawstory.com... ]

I can't help but be a little happy about it.

That'll learn 'em.

886 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:29:02pm

re: #878 Thanos

Wilson's opponent raised 200K today. arggg


That's today, he will probably be reelected. The Dems are going to take some serious losses.
Notice that Obama says that the American people are with him on health care in spite of the polls?

887 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #878 Thanos

Wilson's opponent raised 200K today. arggg

Backfire!

888 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:29:14pm

re: #870 Thanos

Agreed. Hot Air and other right wing sites are praising his as a hero and trying to raise money for him but they aren't going to produce much. Part of me wanted to see Obama go off script and really give the guy a good talking to but I think he handled it brilliantly. Obama and the Dems ignored Wilson like a rude child. He's unimportant and they treated him that way.

889 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:29:49pm

re: #878 Thanos

Wilson's opponent raised 200K today. arggg

DCCC is also using this to raise even more money to support health care reform. They sent out mass emails this AM. It's a fundraising and activism goldmine for the left, seriously. Everyone is so angry about it.

890 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:30:22pm

re: #884 Locker

405k in a single day this report says:

[Link:rawstory.com... ]

Double backfire!

891 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:30:30pm

re: #881 yochanan

i have major issues with northwestern, so i let that tell me who to be for in college football. thus anyone that plays um

The Cats look like they will have a tough year. I have the same animosity toward DePaul.

892 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:30:44pm

re: #872 Wendya

Senator Gregg turned it down for two stated reasons. One, the size and scope of the stimulus and two, because Obama was going to have the director of the census (who falls under the commerce department) work directly with the White House after the left had a hissy fit over the thought of a republican having any control over the census. Obama politicized the census and that led to Gregg withdrawing his name.

Yeah, but if Gregg had a cast iron stomach he could have been the head of Commerce. Missed opportunity. Graves was strong enough to accept a job under a Republican administration. If the White House were to take control that would have been a different story however there was already rumblings that it would have been unconstitutional and in fact never happened.

893 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:31:10pm

re: #885 Bloodnok

I can't help but be a little happy about it.

That'll learn 'em.

It should be a teachable moment, don't you think?

894 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:31:51pm

That opening promo was freakin' AWESOME.

895 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:32:16pm

re: #890 Charles

Double backfire!

Yeah but Obama...

//

896 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:32:42pm

re: #888 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Hot Air and other right wing sites are praising his as a hero and trying to raise money for him but they aren't going to produce much. Part of me wanted to see Obama go off script and really give the guy a good talking to but I think he handled it brilliantly. Obama and the Dems ignored Wilson like a rude child. He's unimportant and they treated him that way.

Yeah Obama handled it brilliantly, he looked like a deer in the headlights, you know nothing in the teleprompter.
The Leftie blogs opened veins for Van Jones.

897 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:33:46pm

between b. doren and butz i got a problem with whom N.U. hires.

butz said the Holocaust didn't happen & b.doren should be in federal pen.

898 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:33:57pm

Lizard scales upon their chests...

Because they are the I-net's best.

100 fools will flounce today...

But only three wear (Oh crap, someone help me here...)

899 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:34:36pm

Whoops!

Email from the DCCC 14 minutes ago. They had a goal of 100,000 in 48 hours...looks like they'll make it!

Considering the overwhelming grassroots response to Republican Congressman Joe Wilson screaming out "you lie" on the House Floor last night during President Obama's address, I wanted to make sure you saw our earlier message.

And late this afternoon, news broke that Congressman Wilson refused to issue a personal apology from the Floor of the House.

We're just $29,000 away from our $100,000 goal. Put us over the top. Your contribution will be immediately put to work to defeat Republican Members of Congress and support meaningful health insurance reform.

Way to go, Joe! Keep on keepin' on!

900 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:35:44pm

re: #893 Sharmuta

It should be a teachable moment, don't you think?

I agree. I think you and I need to sit down to a couple of beers to discuss it.

901 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:36:53pm

re: #897 yochanan

between b. doren and butz i got a problem with whom N.U. hires.

butz said the Holocaust didn't happen & b.doren should be in federal pen.


A holocaust denier shows such lack of intellectual integrity.
The students are really the victims in a University setting.

902 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:36:56pm

Boy, I hope one of MY opponents yells "you lie" to someone. Maybe then, people will shovel me an absurd amount of money.

903 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:37:31pm

re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote

Lizard scales upon their chests...

Because they are the I-net's best.

100 fools will flounce today...

But only three wear (Oh crap, someone help me here...)

But only three wear Armani?

904 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

... thank we have discovered yet!

It's really hard to commit voter fraud. I've run a registration drive. Here's how it works:

I personally went to the county to sign out registration forms in lots of sequentially serialized bundles of 100 forms. The county kept track of the serial numbers to make sure that forms were being properly turned in.

The people we hired were issued 20 forms a day. I kept track of the serial numbers for quality control.

The people we hired were paid either per form (it was legal to do so then) or per day, depending on how long they'd been with us and where we were in the project. We stopped paying per-form after it became clear that quality was an issue.

Every 3 days, I'd bring the forms back to the county and get new ones.

Yes, we got questionable forms. Some of them turned out to be legit, but some of them were garbage. Garbage happens for two reasons:
one: the canvasser is lazy, having a bad day, afraid of getting fired or all of the above and makes stuff up.
two: people don't like to say no, but don't want to register, are already registered or are just jerks and fill out the form with something stupid on it.

The kicker is - the organization has to turn those forms back in It's not up to the organization to decide who is or isn't a legitimate voter. That's up to the registrar and his or her staff.

I usually flagged the ones I thought were bad and put them in a separate bundle to turn in, but I always turned them in, because it's a felony to destroy a completed voter registration form for any reason.

That makes good sense since most of the registration drives are done by parties, community groups or people doing ballot advocacy of some kind. If I came by and asked you if you wanted to register and then threw out your form because I didn't like which party you picked, and you showed up to vote and weren't registered after all, I'd have disenfranchised you.

To actually turn voter registration fraud in to actual voter fraud, you'd have to
a. register a lot of fake people. the voter registrar isn't stupid. they learn to recognize handwriting, so most of those registration forms wouldn't lead to voter registrations anyway. They also mail a voter registration thing to the address on the form. If they get a bunch of those back, they're going to get suspicious. So you'd better:

b. get a maildrop for a bunch of absentee ballots and mail from the registrar. Here if mail bounces, they inactivate your registration. It's one way they purge our rolls.

Okay, good, so you got that far... and now you're ready to commit actual voter fraud. So now you need to:

a. remember what names you used, what addresses you used and what polling locations you are supposed to go to. or


b. get a bunch of fake IDs with all the names you used.

c. drive around all day, voting over and over again, remembering which polling place you need to go to, which name you're using at this one, and which ID you need to pull out.

Is it possible, sure.

It's it practical for it to happen on a wide scale and not have anyone notice that it's going on? No. It suffers the same fate as most conspiracy theories: there's a high unlikelihood that it can go on without someone opening their mouth.

905 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:39:07pm

re: #899 iceweasel

Whoops!

Email from the DCCC 14 minutes ago. They had a goal of 100,000 in 48 hours...looks like they'll make it!

Way to go, Joe! Keep on keepin' on!

Funny, but I don't feel too sorry for Rep. Wilson, nor do I think that this is anything more than opportunistic fundraising by the Dems, of which all sides are, of course, guilty.

That said, two questions about these amazing sums raised:

1) How much of it will have to be returned, or will be found to be fictitious when the time to collect comes?

2) Where's all this money coming from during a recession?

906 Bronco Bama FTW  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:39:45pm

Great National Anthem by Harry Conick Jr. Much better than the singer using it as an opportunity to try to launch an opera career... I hear that WAY too much.

907 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:40:29pm

re: #896 opnion

I know you guys see this as a huge victory but it's not. We'll see how well this played with the public in the next few days when we see if Obama or healtchare reform gets a bump in the polls.

908 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:42:16pm

re: #907 Killgore Trout

So you think whether it gets a bump in the polls or not is predicated on some idiot yelling "you lie"?

909 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:43:03pm

Game on!

910 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:43:29pm

is it possible Glenn Beck is so obsessed with ACORN because both Beck and ACORN are nuts?

911 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:43:36pm

re: #740 buzzsawmonkey

Basically classic absinthe was 120 proof arak, with some wormwood added.

It's, IMO, not very good. You'll enjoy it if you like Pernod or (to a lesser extent) Sambuca.

It's very, very herbal with a strong black licorice taste.

The hallucination thing is bogus. In order for someone to get enough wormwood in their system to hallucinate, they'd be comatose from alcohol poisoning.

The presentation ritual is fun, though.

912 gregb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:43:52pm

re: #702 LudwigVanQuixote

This is the 18 yr cask strength. It's for sipping slowly - and I am quite fond of it.

The only way I can drink that stuff is with a splash of homemade rootbeer. It really highlights the flavors, but it's considered a crime in several countries.

913 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:44:00pm

re: #890 Charles

Double backfire!

Will they learn? I doubt it. Joe Wilson becomes this imaginary hero while his opponent raises $405,000 in less than 24 hours. Will they choose to keep their mouth shut next time or not. If they choose to "speak up" and become a "hero" and get where? To become the laughing stock of the nation regardless of how people feel about health care legislation?

Tomorrow they'll be out there again answering in the affirmative regarding Obama's birth certificate and holding press conferences over imagined sections in the legislature. All the while ignoring that Mitch McConnel is one of the biggest pork spenders on the Hill and added almost 38,000,000 dollars in pork to the stimulus bill and the Senate and House GOP shenanigans that led to the 2006 election loss.

You can tell the GOP what they are doing wrong, when they are doing it wrong, and how they are doing it wrong but they just won't listen. You can bring up missed opportunities and ways of changing strategy to improve their future outlook -- but they just won't listen. In fact if you do point out the failures they only see you as an enemy. I guess they know everything.

Adapt or perish.

914 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:44:02pm

re: #655 OldLineTexan

No, the Boy Scouts are evil ... San Francisco said so.

/ps - for any offended flamers - I was a Boy Scout, and a LOT of them ARE evil

/

My hubby is an Eagle Scout. I'd love to see him get involved with the organization again, but he is not happy about their stance on gay scoutmasters et al.

And he is a very staunchly nonpolitical kind of dude.

But yes. I've heard his stories. EEEvil little campers.

915 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:44:20pm

re: #846 Charles

You caught me. I left out a word. That's just how tricksy I am, when I'm trying to get everyone to fall in line and march to my diabolical tune.

Seriously, it doesn't help because you're still misrepresenting what iceweasel said. Blatantly.

Yes, and you caught me. Iceweasel did not use the words "no big deal". But that is what I honestly took her meaning to have been. And I have now gone back and carefully read all her comments in this thread, and I have responded to her directly.

Acorn has been and remains a political tool of Obama's and a piece of stinking shit.
IMO.
And I don't give a flying shit what Beck et al say. I choose to base my opinion on what I read right here at LGF during the election campaign.

916 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45:26pm
917 Wendya  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45:41pm

re: #892 Gus 802

Yeah, but if Gregg had a cast iron stomach he could have been the head of Commerce. Missed opportunity. Graves was strong enough to accept a job under a Republican administration. If the White House were to take control that would have been a different story however there was already rumblings that it would have been unconstitutional and in fact never happened.

It never happened because Gregg resigned. There was so much attention drawn to the issue, Obama couldn't exert the amount of control the left wanted. Her was right to resign.

918 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45:52pm

re: #902 TheMatrix31

Boy, I hope one of MY opponents yells "you lie" to someone. Maybe then, people will shovel me an absurd amount of money.

Well, Robert Spencer's been screaming that at me for months now, and so far I haven't gotten rich from it.

919 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45:58pm

re: #907 Killgore Trout

I know you guys see this as a huge victory but it's not. We'll see how well this played with the public in the next few days when we see if Obama or healtchare reform gets a bump in the polls.

The day after polling with the exception of CNN is not faverable to Obama.
Wilson can't be defended but that will not put Obama Care over the top.
There will be a watered down bill, but he will be viewed as a failure.
What about the left blogs suppotring Van Jones?You ignored that.

920 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #911 ~Fianna

It's, IMO, not very good. You'll enjoy it if you like Pernod or (to a lesser extent) Sambuca.

It's very, very herbal with a strong black licorice taste.

The hallucination thing is bogus. In order for someone to get enough wormwood in their system to hallucinate, they'd be comatose from alcohol poisoning.

The presentation ritual is fun, though.

Arak is disgusting. I can't stand when my Dad/Uncle/whoever pours a glass. The stench is nauseating.

921 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:46:25pm

re: #918 Charles

Well, Robert Spencer's been screaming that at me for months now, and so far I haven't gotten rich from it.

Not yet, sir, not yet.

922 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:46:32pm

re: #915 Spare O'Lake

You've been answered, and you still are biased and show a reading comprehension problem.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

923 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:47:43pm
924 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:47:58pm

re: #918 Charles

Well, Robert Spencer's been screaming that at me for months now, and so far I haven't gotten rich from it.

LOL!

925 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

I like single malts, but I have to say that "Lagavulin" sounds like one of those drugs they flog on TV during primetime, with a list of side effects as long as your arm.

My students and I were discussing Latisse today. Why in God's name would you use a drug that may permanently alter your iris pigmentation just to grow lashes? Have these people never heard of fake eyelashes?

926 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:48:30pm

re: #916 taxfreekiller

The booing and general grumbling is common and is part of these speeches. I don't think any politician in living memory has interrupted a presidential address like was done last night.

927 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:50:38pm

re: #911 ~Fianna

I've had the stuff several times: homemade (at Burning Man) and 'mersh bottled (at an underground "absinthe bar"). Don't like it -- I think the chemicals in wormwood mess with my antidepressants.

928 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:50:50pm

re: #919 opnion

What about the left blogs suppotring Van Jones?You ignored that.


Because I feel he was unimportant. I never even seriously look into it. Same with Acorn. I just don't care.

929 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:51:41pm

re: #928 Killgore Trout

Shocking.

930 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:51:55pm

re: #928 Killgore Trout

Because I feel he was unimportant. I never even seriously look into it. Same with Acorn. I just don't care.

Fair enough.

931 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:52:25pm

re: #755 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow - what flavor would you use?

I've had Guinness blended with vanilla ice cream, and it's actually pretty damn good.

932 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:54:27pm

re: #908 TheMatrix31

So you think whether it gets a bump in the polls or not is predicated on some idiot yelling "you lie"?

As fickle and shallow as a lot of progressives are, probably.

933 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:54:44pm

Troll Flounces
Stinky Pounces
Log-In Bounces

934 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #923 taxfreekiller

Did you check ID's for Illegals?

No. Most people don't carry a birth certificate around, and you don't have to be a citizen to get a license.

935 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:55:54pm

re: #922 iceweasel

You've been answered, and you still are biased and show a reading comprehension problem.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I try to deal with my biases honestly.
Your cheap little personal insults do not deserve any further response.

936 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #920 TheMatrix31

Arak is disgusting. I can't stand when my Dad/Uncle/whoever pours a glass. The stench is nauseating.

I've never had arak. I'm not a big liquor drinker any more. I still enjoy an occasional gin and tonic or a girly-sweet after dinner drink, but I mostly drink wine now.

937 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:56:56pm

re: #931 SanFranciscoZionist


re: #934 ~Fianna


My nic is blue send me a mail.

938 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:57:14pm

re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote

I've actually always been curious. I thought there was this whole ritual with sugar cubes and spoons and such.

You pour cold water through a sugar cube into the liquor, I believe. And the classic style seems to include a little slotted silver spoon. To hold the sugar cube.

I assume you can just slug it as well, but I imagine it tastes terrible.

939 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:58:16pm

re: #938 SanFranciscoZionist

You pour cold water through a sugar cube into the liquor, I believe. And the classic style seems to include a little slotted silver spoon. To hold the sugar cube.

I assume you can just slug it as well, but I imagine it tastes terrible.

Might I suggest, for those so inclined, you consider the ritual of the snuffbox? Far more elegant, to my mind, than the booze rituals, and far more arcane.

940 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:58:25pm
941 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #917 Wendya

It never happened because Gregg resigned. There was so much attention drawn to the issue, Obama couldn't exert the amount of control the left wanted. Her was right to resign.

There are many facets to this story but it did turn into a missed opportunity for a Republican presence in Commerce. The fact that Obama offered him the position remains which should be seen as a high effort of good will and bipartisanship -- which unfortunately has been completely lost. Governor Huntsman (R-UT) has taken up a position as Ambassador to China. However, his story comes with some unfortunate events that took place prior to his leaving involving a dinner for a Michigan GOP group.

942 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:59:39pm

re: #939 Guanxi88

Might I suggest, for those so inclined, you consider the ritual of the snuffbox? Far more elegant, to my mind, than the booze rituals, and far more arcane.

I'm going to have to look that up. I didn't realize that there was one.

943 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:59:51pm

I hate you, Rob Bironas. Miss that FG!

944 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:00:58pm

re: #939 Guanxi88

Might I suggest, for those so inclined, you consider the ritual of the snuffbox? Far more elegant, to my mind, than the booze rituals, and far more arcane.

I tried snuff in college, complete with the snorting ritual. It made me feel like a Regency dandy.

945 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:01:29pm

re: #940 taxfreekiller

Is there any provision in any part of the Democrat Health Care Reform now before the Congress and Senate that will do one thing about illegals from getting free/tax payer paid health care.

If you can find the words or sections of the bill link it here.

Failing that post that Obama was incorrect about illegals getting
free/taxpayer paid health care via the Bill/Bills now before the House and Senate.

like that, facts and truth

The TRepublicans tried to put in some definitive language to bar illegals and were vote down on a Party line vote.

946 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:02:36pm

re: #942 ~Fianna

I'm going to have to look that up. I didn't realize that there was one.

Oh, yes. Entire schools and treatises on it.

Should it be taken as a pinch? If so, with which fingers, on which hand, for which nostril?

Should it be taken off the back of the hand? If so, which hand, and for which nostril?

Should it be taken off the thumbnail? If so, which and for which?

What should the snuffbox be made of? Ought one to tap the top more than once to settle the contents? Do ladies get first offer when it is produced for use? What about the handkerchief?

Etc., etc., etc. Beau Brummel et al wasted many a year and many a book on the subject. The western equivalent of the Japanese tea ceremony, or Chinese artistic appreciation, in terms of complexities, contending schools, disputes, etc.

947 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:03:28pm

re: #941 Gus 802

There are many facets to this story but it did turn into a missed opportunity for a Republican presence in Commerce. The fact that Obama offered him the position remains which should be seen as a high effort of good will and bipartisanship -- which unfortunately has been completely lost. Governor Huntsman (R-UT) has taken up a position as Ambassador to China. However, his story comes with some unfortunate events that took place prior to his leaving involving a dinner for a Michigan GOP group.


Gregg would have been a sacraficial lamb to Obama. He saw it & left.

948 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:04:35pm

re: #944 mikalm

I tried snuff in college, complete with the snorting ritual. It made me feel like a Regency dandy.

British, or from the Continent? Rare indeed is an American snuff-taker.

949 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:05:53pm

re: #948 Guanxi88

Continental, I believe. My roomie, who introduced me to the stuff, claimed to be descended from the French nobility.

950 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:07:24pm

re: #949 mikalm

Continental, I believe. My roomie, who introduced me to the stuff, claimed to be descended from the French nobility.

Eh, that and 50 cents gets him on the bus. Lotta limeys are snuffers, as are the dutch and the germans. Poland's got quite the history with snuff, as do orthodox jews of the old school.

Was he a pincher, or what? I bet it was some girly schmalzer or something like that in his nostrils.

951 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:07:40pm

re: #947 opnion

Gregg would have been a sacraficial lamb to Obama. He saw it & left.

OK

Oddly enough I was trying to be optimistic which is contrary to my nature.

I'll drop the subject.

952 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:07:52pm

re: #948 Guanxi88

British, or from the Continent? Rare indeed is an American snuff-taker.

American snuff-takers are concentrated in the rural South. And they don't snort the stuff; they stick pinches of it inside their lower lips.

953 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:09:29pm

re: #950 Guanxi88

Eh, that and 50 cents gets him on the bus. Lotta limeys are snuffers, as are the dutch and the germans. Poland's got quite the history with snuff, as do orthodox jews of the old school.

Was he a pincher, or what? I bet it was some girly schmalzer or something like that in his nostrils.

Don't remember. It was way back in '81. I do, however, recall the nicotine buzz I got from the stuff.

954 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:09:57pm

re: #952 Salamantis

American snuff-takers are concentrated in the rural South. And they don't snort the stuff; they stick pinches of it inside their lower lips.

That's dipping, which is revolting. There are still a very few nasal snuffs made here in the states; although they are used for dipping, as you note, they are quite popular among snuff-takers for nasal use, and carry quite the reputation among British and European users of nasal snuff for their powerful nicotine doses and their fine grinds..

955 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:10:00pm

re: #951 Gus 802

OK

Oddly enough I was trying to be optimistic which is contrary to my nature.

I'll drop the subject.

Trust me , I meant no offence.

956 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #953 mikalm

Don't remember. It was way back in '81. I do, however, recall the nicotine buzz I got from the stuff.

Yeah, it's different, to say the least.

957 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:11:01pm

re: #955 opnion

Trust me , I meant no offence.

It's cool, I didn't take it as such. :)

958 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:12:18pm

re: #954 Guanxi88

That's dipping, which is revolting. There are still a very few nasal snuffs made here in the states; although they are used for dipping, as you note, they are quite popular among snuff-takers for nasal use, and carry quite the reputation among British and European users of nasal snuff for their powerful nicotine doses and their fine grinds..

As I recall, head shops in the US used to sell a mentholated variant back in the day; they called it Cokesnuff.

959 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:12:46pm

re: #956 Guanxi88

Yeah, it's different, to say the least.

He introduced me to some rather exotic intoxicants. One of them was butyl nitrate (he was gay, and "poppers" were a big thing back in those pre-AIDS days.)

960 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:13:58pm

re: #958 Salamantis

As I recall, head shops in the US used to sell a mentholated variant back in the day; they called it Cokesnuff.

Yeah, there's still stuff like that being made. A whole weird subculture of snuffers exists, sorta like LGF, only they fight and bicker about what kinda tobacco to put up their noses.

961 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:14:52pm

bbl, lizards

962 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:16:35pm

re: #957 Gus 802

It's cool, I didn't take it as such. :)

Good

963 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:18:24pm

re: #959 mikalm

He introduced me to some rather exotic intoxicants. One of them was butyl nitrate (he was gay, and "poppers" were a big thing back in those pre-AIDS days.)

You used to be able to buy small bottles of that stuff, or something like it, in liquid form, from the same head shops that sold Cokesnuff; they called it Rush.

964 xiphos  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:29:44pm

Can't have 2 A(hole) personalities in the same room.

965 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:00:51pm

Good for Obama.

966 Baldy  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:09pm

Note that Gibbs doesn't rule it out. I don't trust Obama or anyone around him. The guy does not have the best interests of the US at heart.

967 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #966 Baldy

Note that Gibbs doesn't rule it out. I don't trust Obama or anyone around him. The guy does not have the best interests of the US at heart.

That's preposterous. Kook talk. Next you'll say he's a seekrit Muslim Kenyan socialist who is part of a war on America.

He's the POTUS. He represents the ideals of the other major political party in the US. That doesn't mean he hates America or doesn't have its best interests at heart. That is ridiculous.

968 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:49:37pm

re: #935 Spare O'Lake

I try to deal with my biases honestly.
Your cheap little personal insults do not deserve any further response.

No, you don't try to deal with your biases honestly. You continue to ignore the facts put to you, and you have continued to misread or misunderstand the points made to you. I didn't 'insult' you; I've only committed the 'crime' of being right when you are wrong. Now your feelings are hurt because of it. But I never insulted you. I agree that there are no further responses to make on this issue. But I won't let you pretend I have insulted you.

969 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. Number one comment?

Really?

970 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:58:12pm

re: #968 iceweasel

No, you don't try to deal with your biases honestly. You continue to ignore the facts put to you, and you have continued to misread or misunderstand the points made to you. I didn't 'insult' you; I've only committed the 'crime' of being right when you are wrong. Now your feelings are hurt because of it. But I never insulted you. I agree that there are no further responses to make on this issue. But I won't let you pretend I have insulted you.

Are you so sure of yourself, weasel?
Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, you sanctimonious weasel:
[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
Did you read this report before you went to bat for Acorn management, called me biased and insulted my intelligence?
Have a good night, weasel.

971 Thaara  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:01:13pm

Great job Obama...

972 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:24pm

re: #970 Spare O'Lake

Are you so sure of yourself, weasel?
Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, you sanctimonious weasel:
[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
Did you read this report before you went to bat for Acorn management, called me biased and insulted my intelligence?
Have a good night, weasel.

Yes, I am sure of myself.

Did you read your own link?
Does it refute any of the points made? No.
What you have proven, though, is that you are the one who needs to resort to personal insults. So thanks for that.

973 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:26pm

re: #970 Spare O'Lake

Are you so sure of yourself, weasel?
Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, you sanctimonious weasel:
[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
Did you read this report before you went to bat for Acorn management, called me biased and insulted my intelligence?
Have a good night, weasel.

By the way, has it occured to you that a report by the Republican members only of the oversight committee might have an axe to grind?

Has it occurred to you to wonder why there aren't any indictments?

Has it occurred to you to wonder why none of the court cases have validated those findings, and several explicitly exonerated ACORN?

It should.

974 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:01pm

re: #970 Spare O'Lake

btw, Spare O'Lake-- you were right. I reread the thread and I definitely was too harsh with you right here. I apologise for that.

I take back the reading comprehension crack, which was rude and not true, but I do think you should check out the links I provided and above two comments. I do think you're a little biased here-- it happens to all of us. Me too. As the thread was rolling I accidentally mixed a post by someone else up with yours, hence that crack of mine. I hope you'll forgive me, or at least accept my sincere apology for that.

I'm still not backing down in re: ACORN or your link, though. But you'd probably expect that of me, right? ;)
Cheers, iDub


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