Robert Spencer and the Extremists, Continued

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More information has come out about Robert Spencer’s association with the extremist bigots of the Christian Action Network, and the aborted meeting with the English Defense League from which he’s now desperate to distance himself: The EDL Dines Alone.

I recently posted a couple of blog entries (here and here) about what happened when members of the English Defence League showed up at a restaurant in London where Robert Spencer was preparing to dine with some British conservative “anti-Jihadi” types, in particular Adrian Morgan and Douglas Murray. Spencer was in town with a couple of members of the Virginia-based Christian Action Network; the day before, CAN director Michael Mawyer had conducted an interview with three balaclava-wearing EDL leaders, and his associate Jason Campbell (with whom Spencer had taken “strolls into a few mosques”) decided to invite them along.

However, Spencer’s British contacts were not pleased to discover at the restaurant that they were about to share a table with the EDL, and, as Adrian Morgan delicately put it, “Tensions between some of the anti-jihadist factions who had all been kindly invited by Jason to a meal caused splitting of the groups and confusion”. Extrication was eased, though, because, according to Spencer, the restaurant management had asked the party to leave anyway just before the EDL showed up , on account of the subject matter of their conversation.

This is part of Robert Spencer’s latest rant against me, to which I will not link. Skipping his usual personal insults, let’s just get to the meat of it.

I did not go to England planning to meet with the EDL, I did not make such plans there, and I did not meet with them.

Please note that I never accused Spencer of any of those things. It’s another very typical Spencer misdirection — he vehemently denies things no one accused him of doing. Here’s what I wrote:

“Spencer claims he never met with the English Defense League (although he obviously can’t deny meeting with the extremists of the Christian Action Network), and it’s actually true — as far as it goes. But in reality, the only reason he didn’t meet with them is because he and the leaders of CAN were thrown out of the restaurant before the meeting could occur.”

Not a word of that is false. And now we learn that the other people Spencer was meeting with that night were very upset about the planned attendance of the English Defense League. Not a word from Spencer about that little tidbit.

More Spencer:

…I will not work with racists, fascists, neo-Nazis, etc.

But raving homophobic religious fanatics like the Christian Action Network — no problem working with them! After all, they hate Muslims almost as much as they hate gay people, so they can’t be all bad.

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908 comments

1 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:43:39pm

Pathetic, this Spencer fellow.

2 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:44:29pm

re: #1 Guanxi88

He's really short.

3 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:44:52pm

This must be the thread they are really going to spin about. Nice foreshadowing in the previous thread Charles.

4 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45:22pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

He's really short.

Is this why his standards seem so very low?

5 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:47:04pm

Troy is looking GOOD tonight!

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:47:19pm

I'm starting to think he's a mental midget, as well. I know he's a moral midget.

No offense meant to really short people.

7 Mike Nargizian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:48:29pm

In this case he's right though, many on the religious right are going to be subtly or overtly anti homosexual and as you have pointed out in the past several years are a large part of the only ones willing to call terrorism by its name after 9/11.

So the charge here is that he's in bed with some on the religious right, ok, but are you saying you yourself are writing off that entire group due to their non acceptance homosexuals, because unfortunately, as we've seen, in California with the latest vote, that is a larger portion of the population than one would like to admit... admittedly though those who voted against it are not necessarily militant anti homosexual bigots...
However, just pointing out that in this case Spencer appears to be telling the truth that he did not plan on meeting with the neo nazis...

Yes, I feel there's bigger fish to fry than bullying a little chubby nerdy Robert Spencer, no offense to him...

8 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:49:29pm

re: #5 Locker

Troy is looking GOOD tonight!

A man that runs a 4.35/40 and hits that hard should be illegal..Bob Sanders is like that...World class athletes

9 Mike Nargizian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:52:01pm

#7 directed to Charles obviously.

10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:52:41pm

re: #7 Mike Nargizian

This is pretty early in the thread for an apologist to show up.

11 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:52:58pm

Throw the goddamn ball Ben!

12 arethusa  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:53:01pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

He's really short.

Extremists with Napoleon complexes are the worst.

13 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:53:05pm

re: #7 Mike Nargizian


To sum up the position, then:

1) Opposition to the jihad covers a multitude of sins;
2) Whacked out heretical Catholics and other assorted fringers whose beliefs are well outside the mainstream of all known religions, save the one they claim to oppose most strenuously, are to be taken seriously on the basis of their opposition to a single issue, and that a very narrowly-contrued segment of the issue; and therefore
3) Leave Spencer alone, he's got enough problems already.

14 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:53:32pm

re: #3 CyanSnowHawk

This must be the thread they are really going to spin about. Nice foreshadowing in the previous thread Charles.

Now if only we could harness that energy...

15 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:54:07pm

re: #7 Mike Nargizian

...writing off that entire group due to their non acceptance homosexuals...

Are you nuts?!

Try reading the link I posted above. CAN isn't just "non-accepting of homosexuals," they're raving insane freaks.

Amazing.

16 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:54:19pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

Now if only we could harness that energy...

It's like Brownian motion, though. It goes in so many different directions as to be all but useless for performing work.

17 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:56:41pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

Now if only we could harness that energy...

re: #16 Guanxi88

It's like Brownian motion, though. It goes in so many different directions as to be all but useless for performing work.

Wasn't it Maxwell's Demon who could solve the problem, if I remember my evil atheistic physics correctly?

18 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:56:48pm

Bullshit penalty. Left his feet to tackle before the guy went out of bounds! Hey cool it's football season again... I can be partisan and irrational and no one complains about it.

19 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:59:01pm

That guy never misses... weird.

20 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:59:19pm

re: #18 Locker

Bullshit penalty. Left his feet to tackle before the guy went out of bounds! Hey cool it's football season again... I can be partisan and irrational and no one complains about it.

Wait till the Colts halftime reports...I try to be so good for those 20 minutes..
LOL

21 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:00:39pm

I can empathize, that's for sure.

22 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:01:03pm

re: #7 Mike Nargizian

Let me try to translate that.

One needs to ally with people who are anti-homosexual because they recognize terrorism, and there are a lot of them. And Spencer might not be lying.

Is that about it?

You are one odd duck. And I mean that in the un-nicest way possible.

23 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:01:49pm

Man Ben is gonna get taken out by his own running back...

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:03:02pm

Off Topic by comment #5. Is that a new record?

25 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:03:07pm

re: #19 Locker

That guy never misses... weird.

Do we have to have live blogging of a football game this early in a thread? If I wanted that, I could just turn the radio on.

Really folks.

26 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:03:22pm

re: #5 Locker

Troy is looking GOOD tonight!

Stop it.

27 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:03:59pm

While digging about last night I also discovered that RS has allowed his stuff to be republished at Taki's site. If you don't know who Taki is, I'll refer you to this article:
[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

28 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:05:29pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Stop it.

Are you dyslexic or something?

29 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:05:43pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Let me try to translate that.

One needs to ally with people who are anti-homosexual because they recognize terrorism, and there are a lot of them. And Spencer might not be lying.

Is that about it?

You are one odd duck. And I mean that in the un-nicest way possible.

Hi you! Hope you are well today..I read one of those most ironic posts today on a hate site...They said..You are who you hang with.. I laughed my ass off...That's my mom's saying!
It's almost as bad as the story of the kid that murdered his parents and pleaded to the court for mercy cause he was an orphan...
They just don't get ironic anymore

30 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:05:56pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Do we have to have live blogging of a football game this early in a thread? If I wanted that, I could just turn the radio on.

Really folks.


Damn straight, It's not the Bears.

31 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:07:47pm

Walter you'll probably be ok... I won't be able to watch it for long if they keep playing this shitty. I'll be sure to keep you in the loop.

32 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:08:39pm

re: #17 Guanxi88

Wasn't it Maxwell's Demon who could solve the problem, if I remember my evil atheistic physics correctly?

You do you do... It's one of the best thought experiments out there for why you can't beat entropy. You have to take the whole system into account. This is one of those ones that we give to the kids to make them pull their hair.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

33 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:09:22pm

re: #27 Thanos

While digging about last night I also discovered that RS has allowed his stuff to be republished at Taki's site. If you don't know who Taki is, I'll refer you to this article:
[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

Yeesh!

. Taki and Friends ("conservative and libertarian luminaries like Paul Gottfried, R.J. Stove, Justin Raimondo, Steven Sailer, John Zmirak, Robert Spencer and many others") are poised to pour their wit and wisdom into the blogosphere like a methuselah of the Widow Clicquot


Wow, looks like Spencer signed on for the deal too. Wow.

34 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:10:46pm

re: #18 Locker

No offense- but this is a serious matter. I don't want to read about sports.

35 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:10:54pm

re: #29 HoosierHoops

Hi you! Hope you are well today..I read one of those most ironic posts today on a hate site...They said..You are who you hang with.. I laughed my ass off...That's my mom's saying!
It's almost as bad as the story of the kid that murdered his parents and pleaded to the court for mercy cause he was an orphan...
They just don't get ironic anymore

Hi Hoops. I hope we never get so desperate for allies that we have to stop telling certain people to get lost. And I wish more people had the gumption to do that much.

I'm going home to feed the cats. See y'all tomorrow.

36 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:11:12pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Wow, looks like Spencer signed on for the deal too. Wow.

Did you say WOW?

37 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:12:31pm

re: #27 Thanos

While digging about last night I also discovered that RS has allowed his stuff to be republished at Taki's site. If you don't know who Taki is, I'll refer you to this article:
[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

Yep. There are several Robert Spencer articles at Takimag.

Takimag is an openly racist and antisemitic site, with a host of noxious extremist writers.

Here's one of Spencer's articles; it says it was published "with the permission of the author."

[Link: www.takimag.com...]

38 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:13:48pm
39 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:14:30pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

No offense- but this is a serious matter. I don't want to read about sports.

So don't read it.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:15:37pm

re: #28 Locker

Going off topic this early in a thread, and with multiple OT comments, is generally an indication that the person is attempting to derail the thread away from discussing the topic, and is a tactic generally employed by those who have a vested interest in obfuscating or distracting away from the content of the OP, usually due to sympathies that lie with the target of such a thread.

I am not saying that this is what you're doing, I am just saying that is how it might look to others.

41 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Hi Hoops. I hope we never get so desperate for allies that we have to stop telling certain people to get lost. And I wish more people had the gumption to do that much.

I'm going home to feed the cats. See y'all tomorrow.

Be well!

42 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:17:17pm

A site called "Loonwatch" has a story on this story:

This is the same dinner which the English Defense League were invited to, as Adrian Morgan of Family Security Matters (another extreme right wing group) admits in an attempted defense of Robert Spencer, “The EDL had been invited to the George pub.” Robert Spencer wants us to believe that all this is a coincidence and is crying that he is a victim of guilt by association, which is quite rich considering how, as we have demonstrated, Spencer traffics in nothing but guilt by association. I guess this time it’s a case of Spencer not being able to take his own medicine?


[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]

43 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:17:19pm

re: #39 Locker

So don't read it.

You are really being an asshole.

44 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:17:43pm

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth

Going off topic this early in a thread, and with multiple OT comments, is generally an indication that the person is attempting to derail the thread away from discussing the topic, and is a tactic generally employed by those who have a vested interest in obfuscating or distracting away from the content of the OP, usually due to sympathies that lie with the target of such a thread.

I am not saying that this is what you're doing, I am just saying that is how it might look to others.

You could also look at it that it's opening day of the NFL season and the Super Bowl Champions and my favorite team are playing one of the only teams to beat them last year in a defensive matchup of the season.

We've been talking football all day.

45 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:17:50pm

re: #37 Charles


I think it's a bit unfair, don't you, to criticize him solely on the basis of his known and open relationship with crypto-fascist and "euro-nationalist" movements, his consent for use of his materials by open anti-semites and racists, and his ongoing refusal to do other than to openly embrace thuggish street brawlers who favor the iconography of the Thrid Reich? I mean, it's just a bit of stretch, suggesting that this means he's maybe sympathetic to their causes, or, at a minimum, is not above taking dirty money.

///

46 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:18:03pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

You are really being an asshole.

You are trying to censor me and then you call me names. Hmm.

47 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:19:02pm

re: #46 Locker

Maybe you could post a spinoff link about the game and talk about it there.

48 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:19:15pm

re: #46 Locker

You are trying to censor me and then you call me names. Hmm.

If any conservatives were looking for the one over the top jerk crazy progressive, I found it!

49 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #46 Locker

You are trying to censor me and then you call me names. Hmm.

Lock, I know you mean well, but it would be politically imprudent to bring that to this thread.

50 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:19:37pm

re: #44 Locker

I usually like you, so I refrained. But now I'm going back up thread and downding all your OT comments.

51 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:20:03pm

re: #47 jaunte

Maybe you could post a spinoff link about the game and talk about it there.

Good idea.

52 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:20:15pm

re: #46 Locker

You are trying to censor me and then you call me names. Hmm.

Not a good idea to suggest that Walter opposes the free and open exchange of ideas. Very bad idea, bad form, all around.

You wanna talk sports? There's a dozen radio stations waiting for your calls, even as there are hundreds (at least) of online forums eager for such stuff.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:21:52pm

re: #44 Locker

You could also look at it that it's opening day of the NFL season

I could also look at it as the attention seeking actions of a selfish ass, but I thought I'd go with something a little more helpful and instructive first.

54 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:22:02pm

Congressman Wilson just coming up with Hannity.

55 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:22:23pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

Not a good idea to suggest that Walter opposes the free and open exchange of ideas. Very bad idea, bad form, all around.

You wanna talk sports? There's a dozen radio stations waiting for your calls, even as there are hundreds (at least) of online forums eager for such stuff.

Thanks. After 23,000 plus posts that I have made, I don't think I would still be here is I was trying to stop anyone from saying anything. But damn, I'm allowed my opinion.

And it appears that the opinion is, we don't want to discuss the game here at this moment.

56 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:23:03pm

re: #37 Charles

Yep. There are several Robert Spencer articles at Takimag.

Takimag is an openly racist and antisemitic site, with a host of noxious extremist writers.

Here's one of Spencer's articles; it says it was published "with the permission of the author."

[Link: www.takimag.com...]

The Galileo Myth
by Robert Spencer on January 30, 2008
galileo
Oh I can't believe I just read that..I'm going to have to let Phil at Bad Astronomy have a shot at this...I gotta link it..Oh Lawdy

57 Gordon Marock  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:23:23pm

Personally, I go to Spencer's site along with many other sites because of the nature of the information provided. I try to sort through a lot of different information, andd come to my own conclusions. That said, the fact that I visit a site does not mean I agree or side with the site's author. I could never countenance Fascists or Christian extremeists as part of my 'group.' On most issues, I agree with Charles. However, for all I know, Charles could be a real jerk in person. Regardless, he takes the right stand.

58 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:24:05pm
However, Spencer’s British contacts were not pleased to discover at the restaurant that they were about to share a table with the EDL, and, as Adrian Morgan delicately put it, “Tensions between some of the anti-jihadist factions who had all been kindly invited by Jason to a meal caused splitting of the groups and confusion”.

Very interesting tidbit there, that Spencer declined to say anything about.

59 Irenicum  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:26:15pm

re: #57 Gordon Marock

You've obviously read how to win friends and influence people.
/

60 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:26:42pm

re: #57 Gordon Marock

backhanded complements
Can't live with em
Can't live without em

61 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:28:28pm

re: #54 opnion

Congressman Wilson just coming up with Hannity.

Joe Wilson is DEEP in the pockets of the insurance companies and the medical profession lobbies. But no need to care about that. He's a HERO!

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:29:03pm

Charles, I hate to give these schmucks any credence or time, but at The Other Blog, #129 in the thread about your post here, some waste of air called hoodaticus throws out an indirect threat on your cats. Might wanna know.

Hell, I don't know if you actually have cats.

63 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:30:02pm

There is an endless danger in counting the enemies of your enemy as your friend. It's seductive, but leads down dangerous moral pathways.

Radical groups have very well developed methods for suckering people, and the most effective is to appeal simultaneously to strong emotions and ego. If your sense of self-worth is connected to a cause, it will be difficult to dissuade you from it. No matter how much your rational self might want to remain skeptical, emotional self-defense mechanisms keep you in the path.

The more heinous the group you're suckered into, the more delicate self-worth becomes. Guilt, combined with vanity, keep one on the path, because the personal costs would be too great. And so long as a distraction can be provided to dull the emotional turmoil, you will latch onto that to avoid confronting the inevitable, and soul-shattering, realization of your acceptance of evil.

The Soviets were good at this; so were the Nazis. The new fascists have learned their lessons well.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:30:19pm

re: #61 Charles

Joe Wilson is DEEP in the pockets of the insurance companies and the medical profession lobbies. But no need to care about that. He's a HERO!

I am going to be very annoyed if he has anything more to say about yesterday than, "I got carried away and acted inappropriately".

65 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:30:25pm

re: #61 Charles

Joe Wilson is DEEP in the pockets of the insurance companies and the medical profession lobbies. But no need to care about that. He's a HERO!

I do hope that you are not saying that I think that he is a hero.
I do not condone what he did, I merely said that he was coming on.

66 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:31:23pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Charles, I hate to give these schmucks any credence or time, but at The Other Blog, #129 in the thread about your post here, some waste of air called hoodaticus throws out an indirect threat on your cats. Might wanna know.

Hell, I don't know if you actually have cats.

Oooh, scary. They react to being exposed for threatening people by ... issuing more threats. Gotta love it. (Or maybe not.)

67 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:31:25pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I have cats, but after our science lesson today, the boys wish we could get one of these.

I explained they were about 369 million years too late, but their ardor was undimmed.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Charles, I hate to give these schmucks any credence or time, but at The Other Blog, #129 in the thread about your post here, some waste of air called hoodaticus throws out an indirect threat on your cats. Might wanna know.

Hell, I don't know if you actually have cats.

#151 he takes it back, after some horror expressed by his fellow bloggers.

69 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:31:57pm

re: #63 Lucius Septimius

Upding! (BTW, nice icon).

70 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I am going to be very annoyed if he has anything more to say about yesterday than, "I got carried away and acted inappropriately".

He's whining about a "double standard" now.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:32:34pm

re: #67 Lucius Septimius

I have cats, but after our science lesson today, the boys wish we could get one of these.

I explained they were about 369 million years too late, but their ardor was undimmed.

They don't look real cuddly.

72 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:32:45pm

Bartholomew's Notes on Religion has a few words on the thread topic:

Robert Spencer on the EDL and CAN

Spencer has an ongoing relationship to Christian fundamentalism, and he has endorsed a book which claims that the Bible predicts the rise of a Muslim anti-Christ. The book is entitled The Islamic Antichrist, by Joel Richardson, and it was previously packaged as Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah. The book is being heavily promoted by WorldNetDaily; I blogged it here and Richardson (who is personable) has left some comments here and there. The book’s thesis, of course, is a farrago of nonsense, in which Biblical texts are ripped from their historical context and a new meaning imposed based on what Richardson wants them to contain. Christian fundamentalists have been doing this kind of thing for a long time.

Spencer’s endorsement of this piffle appears on the book’s cover, and inside he enthuses thus:

A fascinating and provocative work. Joel has broken fresh ground in the ongoing exploration of the relationship between Islam and the rest of the world. A must-read for priests and pastors, students and lay readers everywhere. Bravo![Link: barthsnotes.wordpress.com...]

73 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #61 Charles

Joe Wilson is DEEP in the pockets of the insurance companies and the medical profession lobbies. But no need to care about that. He's a HERO!

Like Tigerhawk said:

[Link: tigerhawk.blogspot.com...]

“What is it with guys named Joe Wilson? Do they all accuse presidents of lying?”

Sal: He's of course remembering Valerie Plame's hubby...

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:33:18pm

re: #70 Charles

He's whining about a "double standard" now.

Great.

75 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:33:40pm

re: #70 Charles

He's whining about a "double standard" now.

Well, what else is he gonna say? If that's all he's got (and it is) that's all he's got.

It was rude, juvenile, and beneath his dignity as a member of Congress. If he'd apologized and gone away and shut up for a bit, it would pass. But no, it's his moment to shine, as he thinks.

76 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:33:51pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

They don't look real cuddly.

No, but to 7 and 10 year old boys, slimy has its own attractions.

77 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:34:13pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

The Galileo Myth
by Robert Spencer on January 30, 2008
galileo
Oh I can't believe I just read that..I'm going to have to let Phil at Bad Astronomy have a shot at this...I gotta link it..Oh Lawdy

Yeah it was all just a big misunderstanding...

78 Gella  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:34:20pm

so, i just got msg through my face book, i won't name names:
"Why the hell to you like that stupid website LGF?
LGF is a progressive blog filled with left wing idiots acting acting like typical elitist liberal types. You enjoy that stuff?"
i have no idea who this person is, for some reason it came to my crackberry fb, didnt' show up on a cite yet/

79 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:35:25pm

re: #76 Lucius Septimius

No, but to 7 and 10 year old boys, slimy has its own attractions.

Hell, who WOULDN'T want a walking fish?

80 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:35:34pm

re: #78 Gella

so, i just got msg through my face book, i won't name names:
"Why the hell to you like that stupid website LGF?
LGF is a progressive blog filled with left wing idiots acting acting like typical elitist liberal types. You enjoy that stuff?"
i have no idea who this person is, for some reason it came to my crackberry fb, didnt' show up on a cite yet/

Was it misspelled like that too?

81 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:35:37pm

re: #72 jaunte

Bartholomew's Notes on Religion has a few words on the thread topic:

Robert Spencer on the EDL and CAN

Yep ... Spencer is promoting a book that says the Antichrist is a Muslim.

I'm beyond being surprised at anything that comes out about Spencer. He's involved with really bad people, and really bad causes, and now he's posting comments at a site that openly threatens me with violence on a regular basis, and has even threatened the President of the US.

82 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #78 Gella

left wing idiots acting acting like typical elitist liberal types

Rotating title!

83 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:35:50pm

re: #79 Guanxi88

Hell, who WOULDN'T want a walking fish?

Exactly! Best of both worlds.

84 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #79 Guanxi88

Hell, who WOULDN'T want a walking fish?

Florida has a surplus of walking catfish they can have for free!

85 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:36:29pm

re: #84 Salamantis

Florida has a surplus of walking catfish they can have for free!

Eh, they lack the cool factor of an extinct species, so, no sale.

86 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:36:29pm

re: #72 jaunte

Before he became an anti-radical-Islamist, Bruce Bawer wrote a good book called Stealing Jesus where he looked at the origins of Fundamentalist Christianity. Essentially, it started in the early 19th century, and has zero claim on any sort of heritage or status as a "First Century Christian" movement.

87 Gella  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:37:12pm

part 2, after i asked him who he was:

"No you don't. Just wondering if you like Charles Johnson's shilling for ACORN, Van Jones, and hatred toward Christians and radio pundits like Glenn Beck.

I mean, I really am no creationist and I don't tune into Glenn Beck...but come on. That website contains left-wing ideology promoted by Charles and anyone who says otherwise is banned.

Oh well. Sorry to bother. Have fun with that blogo-nazi Charles Hussein Johnson. "

88 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:38:03pm

re: #81 Charles

He seems to have abandoned all attempts to be taken seriously. That is, if he ever really had that in mind.

89 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:38:47pm

re: #79 Guanxi88

Hell, who WOULDN'T want a walking fish?

The Discovery Institute?

90 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:38:50pm

There are lots more comments at the stalker site that threaten Obama, by the way -- or that express wishes he would die by some unnamed agent. I only posted the most recent one. It's not hard at all to find threats of violence there, against anyone who they think is an enemy.

91 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:39:10pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Wow, looks like Spencer signed on for the deal too. Wow.

I found more at Chasing Evil. Sutter is a flaming lefty, but he focuses on hate in particular (often painting with too broad a brush, like lumping Schlussel and Pipes with Geller and Spencer) but I've found his links do contain facts.

[Link: www.chasingevil.org...]

As a curious aside, speaking of Christendom, the director and producer of the documentary “Islam: What the West Needs to Know“, starring both Robert Spencer and Srdja Trifkovic, is a contributing author to Chronicles. In a recent article he prophesies that Barack Obama is the Antichrist, whose presidency heralds the end of our times.

[…] This same Gregory M. Davis also contributes to Spencer’s JihadWatch, where he has authored an entire column, Islam 101. Back to Chronicles: A magazine that would publish insane screeds of the Obama-is-the-Antichrist caliber can be safely assumed to carry more craziness on board, and it does. On the magazine’s website the League of the South is prominently blog-rolled. In fact, Thomas Fleming, Chronicles’ current editor-in-chief, is a founder and former board member of the neo-Confederate League.


FCF /Weyrich kicked that mess of bigots represented by the Chronicles/Raimondo/etc crowd off.

92 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:39:24pm

re: #86 mikalm

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add that to my reading list.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:40:32pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Well, what else is he gonna say? If that's all he's got (and it is) that's all he's got.

It was rude, juvenile, and beneath his dignity as a member of Congress. If he'd apologized and gone away and shut up for a bit, it would pass. But no, it's his moment to shine, as he thinks.

He did apologize, and Obama accepted (after letting Rahm take the initial call), so why the hell is he going on TV to discuss it further?

94 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:40:51pm

re: #90 Charles

There are lots more comments at the stalker site that threaten Obama, by the way -- or that express wishes he would die by some unnamed agent. I only posted the most recent one. It's not hard at all to find threats of violence there, against anyone who they think is an enemy.

True.

95 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:40:56pm

re: #92 jaunte

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add that to my reading list.

No prob. And if you buy at that link, LGF gets a piece of the action! :-)

96 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:41:51pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

He did apologize, and Obama accepted (after letting Rahm take the initial call), so why the hell is he going on TV to discuss it further?

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

97 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:42:51pm

re: #96 Charles

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

It was their version of a Code Pink blood-throwing.

98 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:43:35pm

re: #91 Thanos

Would you believe I met Justin Raimundo way back in 1980, during a Libertarian phase? Even then, I thought he was a douchebag.

99 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #96 Charles

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

I am really curious as to why you think this was a planned event?

100 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:44:23pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

He did apologize, and Obama accepted (after letting Rahm take the initial call), so why the hell is he going on TV to discuss it further?

He's up for reelection in a politically mixed district. He screwed up & he is
trying to mend fences. He did not back off of his belief, but Obama is the
President & he knows that people don't like what he did.

101 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:44:37pm

re: #96 Charles

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

I disagree that the whole thing was orchestrated and planned, fwiw.

102 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:45:02pm

re: #100 opnion

He's up for reelection in a politically mixed district. He screwed up & he is
trying to mend fences. He did not back off of his belief, but Obama is the
President & he knows that people don't like what he did.

And he wants his Joe the Plumber TV moment.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:46:11pm

re: #96 Charles

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

Interesting idea. I don't know if I buy it, I'll have to think about that. Who would have planned it? House people?

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:46:41pm

re: #97 Salamantis

It was their version of a Code Pink blood-throwing.

Tidier, you gotta give 'em that.

105 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:46:51pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting idea. I don't know if I buy it, I'll have to think about that. Who would have planned it? House people?

Yeah. And cui bono?

106 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:46:57pm

Hannity's going after Cass Sunstein now.

We've entered an age when there isn't just one Joseph McCarthy -- there's a whole cable network full of them.

107 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:48:13pm

Was W's administration thick with czars?

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:49:00pm

re: #81 Charles

Yep ... Spencer is promoting a book that says the Antichrist is a Muslim.

What a maroon. Everyone knows that the Antichrist is Chilean American Catholic.
///

109 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:49:12pm

re: #101 J.D.

I disagree that the whole thing was orchestrated and planned, fwiw.

It was not imo orchestrated. It would make no sense for the Republicans
to plot this, they are not happy. Why give Obama a chance to jump
up on the cross & be a victim? This guy lost his cool, there was no
conspiracy imo.

110 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:49:13pm

test ignore this please please please

111 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:49:29pm

re: #107 Taqyia2Me

Was W's administration thick with czars?

Some of the positions they are now branding as "Czars" have been there since the 80's. We don't have czars in the US, just lame bureaucrats. The banality of evil etc.

112 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:50:35pm

re: #110 MandyManners

test ignore this please please please

Ignore what!

113 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #99 code red 21

I am really curious as to why you think this was a planned event?

It stinks of being planned. The guy who shouted is on the take from insurance companies and medical profession advocacy groups. They looked at the current climate and thought they could score some political points by having one of their puppets heckle the President.

There's very little happening in that room that hasn't been thoroughly planned.

114 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:51:07pm

re: #102 Salamantis

And he wants his Joe the Plumber TV moment.

Don't think so, he just wants to be reelected.
This is the conundrum that the Blue Dogs have.

115 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:51:17pm

re: #90 Charles

There are lots more comments at the stalker site that threaten Obama, by the way -- or that express wishes he would die by some unnamed agent. I only posted the most recent one. It's not hard at all to find threats of violence there, against anyone who they think is an enemy.

Well they finally feel free to express their inner most feelings no matter how depraved. It's all free...All in the name of Jesus of course..

116 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:51:25pm

re: #110 MandyManners

test ignore this please please please

/being a brat by giving her an upding

117 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #110 MandyManners

test ignore this please please please

Good evening Citizen Mandy.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:52:40pm

re: #107 Taqyia2Me

Was W's administration thick with czars?

Yes.

119 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:52:43pm

re: #110 MandyManners

test ignore this please please please

Is that "code" for piss up a rope?

120 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:52:52pm

re: #113 Charles

It stinks of being planned. The guy who shouted is on the take from insurance companies and medical profession advocacy groups. They looked at the current climate and thought they could score some political points by having one of their puppets heckle the President.

There's very little that happens in that room that hasn't been thoroughly planned.

Seriously?

From the moment he shouted I thought 'oh shit, this is going to be bad'. I cannot imagine anyone coaxing this guy into doing this and telling him it will be a good thing for the GOP.

121 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:53:31pm

re: #111 Thanos

Some of the positions they are now branding as "Czars" have been there since the 80's. We don't have czars in the US, just lame bureaucrats. The banality of evil etc.

New layers of bureaucracy pretty much always suck, imho.

122 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:53:42pm

re: #113 Charles
Looking at it like that you could be right I hadn't even considered that angle.

123 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:53:51pm

re: #106 Charles

Hannity's going after Cass Sunstein now.

We've entered an age when there isn't just one Joseph McCarthy -- there's a whole cable network full of them.

Actually, each side owns a cable TV network full of Joe McCarthys.

For the right it's Fox, with Beck, Hannity and O'Reilly.

For the Left it's MSNBC, with Olbermann, Maddow and Matthews.

/And then of course there's CNN, with Lou Dobbs and his perpetual audition for the role of Grumpy Old Curmudgeon.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:53:54pm

re: #120 Racer X

Seriously?

From the moment he shouted I thought 'oh shit, this is going to be bad'. I cannot imagine anyone coaxing this guy into doing this and telling him it will be a good thing for the GOP.

Anyone seen the footage? What do people near him do when he yells?

125 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:07pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

What a maroon. Everyone knows that the Antichrist is Chilean American Catholic.
///

No, no, no, the anti-Christ palys for the Cubs.

126 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:15pm

re: #110 MandyManners

What'cha testing?
;)

127 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:17pm

re: #111 Thanos

Some of the positions they are now branding as "Czars" have been there since the 80's. We don't have czars in the US, just lame bureaucrats. The banality of evil etc.

The term "czar" is a media creation from FDR's administration. It's just short-hand for "presidential advisor for BLAHBLAHBLAH".

128 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:28pm

re: #81 Charles

Yep ... Spencer is promoting a book that says the Antichrist is a Muslim.

Come now. Every good Presbyterian knows that the Antichrist will be one of the Popes.

/// (do I have to?)

129 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #120 Racer X

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

130 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #107 Taqyia2Me

Was W's administration thick with czars?

He had 30-some I think.

131 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:55:16pm

re: #117 opnion

Good evening Citizen Mandy.

Good evening, Citizen Opnion.

132 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:55:30pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

Sounds like live theatre... oh wait... hehehehehe...

133 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:55:41pm

Good evening, lizards.

Spencer loses more and more credibility with each passing day.
And he has nobody to blame but himself.

134 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:55:42pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Look at the news photo of him shouting, and study the expressions of the two guys on either side of him. They don't look at all surprised.

135 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:56:02pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

I gotta say then that Charlie Rangel does NOT plan well!

136 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:56:20pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

Possibly. But it backfired, big-time. He just came off looking like a rude crank. You'd think he would have picked a better tactic.

137 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:56:25pm

re: #110 MandyManners

test ignore this please please please

Oops!

I failed the test.

138 code red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:56:39pm

re: #134 jaunte

Look at the news photo of him shouting, and study the expressions of the two guys on either side of him. They don't look at all surprised.


Maybe they just hadn't had time to react

139 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:56:44pm

re: #119 Mr Pancakes

Is that "code" for piss up a rope?

No. I am trying to change my avatar.

140 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:57:20pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Good evening, Citizen Opnion.

Your son is back in school, is it more peaceful or a little lonely?

141 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:57:32pm

re: #126 Floral Giraffe

What'cha testing?
;)

New avatar. Maybe.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:57:44pm

re: #129 Charles

I was thinking he was an ACORN plant.

/hey, that's been the popular excuse so far for folks on the right doing stupid things
//

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:58:06pm

re: #134 jaunte

Look at the news photo of him shouting, and study the expressions of the two guys on either side of him. They don't look at all surprised.

Do you have a link? All the ones I can find are cropped.

144 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:58:26pm

I suppose one of the many reasons I've never run for office is that I could never be that calculating. Just too much of an eccentric...

145 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:58:28pm

re: #139 MandyManners

If you change your avatar... I won't recognize you!

146 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:58:39pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

Do you think President Obama carefully planned the Harvard professor comment ahead of time?

Just asking.

147 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:59:17pm

re: #141 MandyManners

New avatar. Maybe.

I put up a new one last night of my favorite sea creature. Click it for a close-up.

148 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:59:21pm

This is my first time online today, looks like a double header ;).

149 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:59:49pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I just saw it at this link; I don't agree with the writer's premise at the link, but here's the photo:
[Link: www.racewire.org...]

150 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:59:53pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

Well, there's having a mistress in Argentina or having a baby with one during the early stages of a presidential campaign or driving a car off a bridge or inadvertently confessing to being The Spankster or daring reporters to follow you and then being captured off of Bimini on Monkey Business.

151 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:00:17pm

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

Well, if it was planned it was a humungous FAIL.

152 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:00:32pm

re: #146 J.D.

Do you think President Obama carefully planned the Harvard professor comment ahead of time?

Just asking.

President O is an already proven master at the "Look at my right hand" so you don't see what my left hand is doing kinda stuff.

153 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #137 J.D.

Oops!

I failed the test.

I declare I was an oaf for responding to anyone. I really meant the first post. But, thank you.

154 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:01:14pm

But I'll also posit that sometimes politicians lose control. Nixon's 1962 CA gubernatorial defeat-speech has always seemed to be something of a meltdown to me.

155 wee fury  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:01:37pm

The term 'czar' is unamerican.
We should think of a more american term.
Maybe . . . 'fobo' = Friend of Barak Obama.
Or something.
/

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:02:02pm

re: #149 jaunte

I just saw it at this link; I don't agree with the writer's premise at the link, but here's the photo:
[Link: www.racewire.org...]

They don't look surprised, but they don't look real happy either.

157 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:02:08pm

re: #140 opnion

Your son is back in school, is it more peaceful or a little lonely?

He's been back in school for a month. I love him to pieces but, I have welcomed the peace.

158 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:02:29pm

Wilson blew it. The MSM discussion today is on his disrespect for the Presidency and his apology. No one is attempting a serious analysis of what Obama said last night.

Oh gawd. Greta van Susteren is interviewing nJim "the Toupee" Trfaicat. Man, your fifteen minutes were up sooo long ago.

159 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #149 jaunte

I just saw it at this link; I don't agree with the writer's premise at the link, but here's the photo:
[Link: www.racewire.org...]

Great pic, but the article is total leftist-deconstructionist B.S. The author is talking out of his a$$.

160 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #152 Taqyia2Me

President O is an already proven master at the "Look at my right hand" so you don't see what my left hand is doing kinda stuff.

Yeah, but all of the lightworker crap is over. Now he looks like a Chicago
political hack with a dirty Rezko real estate deal in his past & more.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:03:25pm

re: #155 wee fury

The term 'czar' is unamerican.
We should think of a more american term.
Maybe . . . 'fobo' = Friend of Barak Obama.
Or something.
/

But then we'd have to change the name with each new president...or are you suggesting the should be Fobos forever, in honor of Obama?

162 Locker  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:03:55pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I am going to be very annoyed if he has anything more to say about yesterday than, "I got carried away and acted inappropriately".

I got carried away and acted in appropriately.

163 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:04:11pm

re: #159 mikalm

Yes, I hesitated to link for that reason.

164 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:04:35pm

re: #155 wee fury

The term 'czar' is unamerican.
We should think of a more american term.
Maybe . . . 'fobo' = Friend of Barak Obama.
Or something.
/

Cacique?
Big Kahuna?
Don?
Coach?
Boss?
FORMD (Friend of Richard M. Daley)?

165 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:04:47pm

re: #141 MandyManners

You were nic jacked at Jawa Report today.

166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:04:50pm

re: #155 wee fury

Dept. Head?
Project Lead?
Chief?

/Somehow, "Chief of Abstinence" doesn't have the same punch...

167 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:04:52pm

re: #163 jaunte

Yes, I hesitated to link for that reason.

You can link to just a photo, most of the time.

168 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:02pm

Charles, FWIW, I disagree that Wilson's yell was preplanned. Most politicians are neither that smart nor that controlled. Biden talks without thinking all the time.
Just my two cents.

169 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:09pm

re: #155 wee fury

$tar!

170 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:29pm

re: #149 jaunte

I just saw it at this link; I don't agree with the writer's premise at the link, but here's the photo:
[Link: www.racewire.org...]

WTF?

I'm reading that article - we are supposed to give everyone in America, legally here or not, GOOD health care? WTF? Health care is NOt a right. It is a perk.

171 wee fury  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:29pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

hummm. Maybe fosp = Friend of Sitting President.

172 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:49pm

re: #154 mikalm

But I'll also posit that sometimes politicians lose control. Nixon's 1962 CA gubernatorial defeat-speech has always seemed to be something of a meltdown to me.

Sure, they do lose control. They're human beings. And some of them get drunk on power and do incredibly stupid things. See: Mark Sanford.

But most people have no idea how carefully scripted every action of a major politician is. There's big money at stake.

173 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:05:57pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

Dept. Head?
Project Lead?
Chief?

/Somehow, "Chief of Abstinence" doesn't have the same punch...

Though you have to admit "Abstinence Probe" has a nice ring to it.

174 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:06:04pm

re: #170 Racer X

Yes, dumb article, no endorsement intended.

175 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:06:18pm

re: #138 code red 21

Maybe they just hadn't had time to react

Charles is correct.
Before speeches and hearing, there are meetings and phone calls on both sides, and who is going to do or say what has been thoroughly discussed and planned.

176 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #168 Jim in Virginia

Charles, FWIW, I disagree that Wilson's yell was preplanned. Most politicians are neither that smart nor that controlled. Biden talks without thinking all the time.
Just my two cents.

Oh shit.

Biden.

Well, there goes that theory.

177 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #172 Charles

Sure, they do lose control. They're human beings. And some of them get drunk on power and do incredibly stupid things. See: Mark Sanford.

But most people have no idea how carefully scripted every action of a major politician is.

Too scripted, I'd say. So much so that they don't end up knowing what they actually think about anything -- all they know are the polls and the talking points.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:15pm

re: #164 Lucius Septimius

Cacique?
Big Kahuna?
Don?
Coach?
Boss?
FORMD (Friend of Richard M. Daley)?

I like 'Cacique'. That's the name of my favorite bra line. But 'Coach' has a nice ring to it. Inspires both fear and affection.

179 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:24pm

re: #172 Charles

So you do think President Obama planned the comment?

180 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:31pm

re: #176 Racer X

Oh shit.

Biden.

Well, there goes that theory.

Well, at least Biden's outbursts are his own work.

181 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:41pm

re: #157 MandyManners

He's been back in school for a month. I love him to pieces but, I have welcomed the peace.

I thought so. We don't have any little kids left in the house, so we have a
new puppy. He is a Portuguese Water Dog. He is white with black markings, as cute as he can be, but what a little tyrant.
Got hiim in obdience school & he is not with the program.

182 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

They don't look surprised, but they don't look real happy either.

My impression is they look like two kids whose friend has just thrown a firecracker at someone they don't like, and they're waiting for the reaction

183 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:08:21pm

re: #181 opnion

I thought so. We don't have any little kids left in the house, so we have a
new puppy. He is a Portuguese Water Dog. He is white with black markings, as cute as he can be, but what a little tyrant.
Got hiim in obdience school & he is not with the program.

I suppose a Portuguese Water Dog makes a much better pet than a Portuguese Man 'o War.

184 wee fury  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

'Coach' is a purse brand name. That might really work!

185 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:08:57pm

Possibility: Wilson's yelling was planned, and he was counting on disrupting the proceedings long enough to launch into some sort of extra-parliamentary jeremiad. But when the speech continued after the short interruption, the chance was lost.

186 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:09:08pm

re: #179 J.D.

So you do think President Obama planned the comment?

Yes, in my opinion it was planned.

The best laid plans often go astray.

187 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:09:24pm

re: #162 Locker

I got carried away and acted in appropriately.

You are just fine..You should be excited with the first day of the season..
Word is when the NBA season ended Charles was downtown during the Championship parade hoisting drinks and thanking the Lord I would not be posting about Basketball for 6 months...I think he was really happy...

188 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:09:29pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
"Fobos forever" -- it's either a new rotating title or a high school yearbook signoff.
My typing skills have deteriorated (and I've had nothing alcoholic to drink today), so it's time for bed.

189 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:09:46pm

OT folks, but if you'd like to leave a personal account of 9/11/01 for my archives I'd be very appreciative.

190 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:10:26pm

re: #183 Lucius Septimius

I suppose a Portuguese Water Dog makes a much better pet than a Portuguese Man 'o War.

That would be my guess & I won't test the theory.

191 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:11:03pm

re: #183 Lucius Septimius

Always pick them up by the top end.

192 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #189 Irish Rose

OT folks, but if you'd like to leave a personal account of 9/11/01 for my archives I'd be very appreciative.

I'd be glad to, Rose. I left my account in a thread here last year, and will just repost it. I remember that day excrutiatingly well. Unfortunately.

193 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:11:26pm

The marvelous thing about those satellite packages is that they let you view sports from all over the nation. The bad thing about those satellite packages is that they let you view sports from all over the nation.

194 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:12:15pm

re: #186 Charles

The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley.
Very true.

I didn't think that one was planned by the President ahead of time, because I honestly believe that if it had been, he would have framed it differently if not decided that it was best left alone.

My $.02.

195 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:12:28pm

re: #164 Lucius Septimius

Cacique?
Big Kahuna?
Don?
Coach?
Boss?
FORMD (Friend of Richard M. Daley)?

HMFIC.

196 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:12:29pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

Charles is correct.
Before speeches and hearing, there are meetings and phone calls on both sides, and who is going to do or say what has been thoroughly discussed and planned.


So you're saying the whole thing, on both sides of the aisle, is a staged event from beginning to the end. Someone actually said "hey Joe at this juncture of the speech yell out you're a liar to BO"?

197 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:12:36pm

re: #193 MandyManners

The marvelous thing about those satellite packages is that they let you view sports from all over the nation. The bad thing about those satellite packages is that they let you view sports from all over the nation.

And Clemson's uniforms look ever more garish in HD than on the old analog TV.

198 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:12:39pm

Drudge linked to an article at WND.

By Pat Buchanan.

I wonder when he'll go all out and jump the shark too.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:13:12pm

re: #184 wee fury

'Coach' is a purse brand name. That might really work!

Also, it's genderless. "Czarina" sounds classy, but silly, in this context. "Health Coach Barbara Donnelly" sounds perfectly fine.

200 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:13:52pm

The world is insane. I need liquor.

201 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:19pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, it's genderless. "Czarina" sounds classy, but silly, in this context. "Health Coach Barbara Donnelly" sounds perfectly fine.

Although if we were comfortable with gender-specific titles, maybe we could go with "Guys and Dolls."

202 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #200 Racer X

The world is insane. I need liquor.

ONE THOUSAND updings for you!

203 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:31pm

re: #200 Racer X

The world is insane. I need liquor.

You need an excuse?

204 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:33pm

Good night y'all.

205 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #181 opnion

I thought so. We don't have any little kids left in the house, so we have a
new puppy. He is a Portuguese Water Dog. He is white with black markings, as cute as he can be, but what a little tyrant.
Got hiim in obdience school & he is not with the program.

Isn't the First Dog a PWD?

206 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:55pm

re: #204 opnion

'night, op!

207 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:14:57pm

"I did not have textual relations with that man, Mr. Alinsky."

208 wee fury  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:15:03pm

If Mr. Wilson's outburst was planned -- it smells of a school yard 'dare ya' prank. It turned out just as stupid.

209 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:15:16pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Drudge linked to an article at WND.

By Pat Buchanan.

I wonder when he'll go all out and jump the shark too.

They are already selling "You Lie!" bumper stickers at WND.

210 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:15:17pm

re: #200 Racer X

The world is insane. I need liquor.


Don't drink it all leave some for us.

211 mikalm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:15:49pm

bbl, lizards

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:15:57pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Again? Ugh. Maybe it's time to take Drudge out of my bookmarks. He linked a Buchanan article a few weeks ago too.

213 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:16:06pm

re: #208 wee fury

If Mr. Wilson's outburst was planned -- it smells of a school yard 'dare ya' prank. It turned out just as stupid.

The verbal equivalent of the flaming bag of poo on the front step.

214 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:16:10pm

re: #209 KingKenrod

They are already selling "You Lie!" bumper stickers at WND.

Are they? That's WND for you. Always selling some weird book or food supplements.

215 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Again? Ugh. Maybe it's time to take Drudge out of my bookmarks. He linked a Buchanan article a few weeks ago too.

Am I imaging things or is this new? I don't recall seeing links to WND there. Not Pat Buchanan. Maybe I'm losing my mind with all of the circus acts we've been seeing.

216 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

. That's the name of my favorite bra line. .


At first I thought you'd revealed your gender. Then I thought it might be what you liked to see, rather than wear. Or- no, not going there. I was going to bed three comments ago. I mean it now.

217 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:17:34pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Again? Ugh. Maybe it's time to take Drudge out of my bookmarks. He linked a Buchanan article a few weeks ago too.

Pat Buchanan is MSNBC's version of a minstrel show, with Pat in mainstream-conservative-face.

218 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:17:55pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Isn't the First Dog a PWD?

Yeah , Bo Diddley Obama. He is named after Michelle's fathers nickname.
We had a Water Dod for eleven & a half years, this is our second.
The first was a female & I swear I miss her every day.

219 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:18:01pm

My opinion is the "You Lie" was rather spontaneous but the GOP told him to apologize and he did but in the light of day the Republicans may have wished they hadn't been so hasty to require the apology.

220 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:18:06pm

re: #204 opnion

Good night y'all.

Be well...

221 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Again? Ugh. Maybe it's time to take Drudge out of my bookmarks. He linked a Buchanan article a few weeks ago too.

I've been wondering too. Why does he have Hot Air and Free Republic under the news listing. That should be in the center column with the other blogs.

222 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:18:43pm

re: #207 Kreuzueber Halbmond

"I did not have textual relations with that man, Mr. Alinsky."

Oh, just marvelous!

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals are propagandistic tools for FCBBHO not just in this issue but in others.

223 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:18:47pm

I just finished reading through the hater thread, and now I'm reading through this one.

I'll bet that Charles' inbox is on fire today.

224 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:19:07pm

re: #221 Gus 802

I've been wondering too. Why does he have Hot Air and Free Republic under the news listing. That should be in the center column with the other blogs.

It's all about the money.

225 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:19:18pm

re: #218 opnion

Yeah , Bo Diddley Obama. He is named after Michelle's fathers nickname.
We had a Water Dod for eleven & a half years, this is our second.
The first was a female & I swear I miss her every day.

Sweet dreams!

226 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:19:22pm

Off Topic, and GREAT NEWS!

Paul Cardall, the award winning musician who was born with the same heart defect I have, got the most important call he will ever receive today... Paul got a heart transplant!

The surgery went well and Paul is currently in recovery!

227 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:19:55pm

That article by Pat is another humdinger...

One part of America loves her history, another reviles it as racist, imperialist and genocidal. Old heroes like Columbus, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee are replaced by Dr. King and Cesar Chavez.
...
The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

"E pluribus unum" – out of many, one - was the national motto the men of '76 settled upon. One sees the pluribus. But where is the unum? One sees the diversity. But where is the unity?

Is America, too, breaking up?


This is what Drudge finds news worthy? Conservatives are fucked.

228 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:19:58pm

re: #224 Charles

It's all about the money.

Like Pajamas "Media" and whoever else sponsor FR.

229 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:20:54pm

re: #209 KingKenrod

They are already selling "You Lie!" bumper stickers at WND.

It's old news, but I saw a bumper sticker today that says that Obama is the 5th Cylon.

230 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:20:58pm

re: #226 SteveC

What heart defect do you have, if you don't mind my asking?

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:21:02pm

re: #216 Jim in Virginia

At first I thought you'd revealed your gender. Then I thought it might be what you liked to see, rather than wear. Or- no, not going there. I was going to bed three comments ago. I mean it now.

I think you're overthinking this. But I'm a woman, for the record, and not a cross-dresser. ;)

232 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:21:08pm

re: #196 Code Red 21

So you're saying the whole thing, on both sides of the aisle, is a staged event from beginning to the end. Someone actually said "hey Joe at this juncture of the speech yell out you're a liar to BO"?

I'm saying Charles is correct that most of what happens in these types of events is absolutely planned, and this most likely was too. Obviously, I was not in on what happened and cannot say for sure . . . but I do know that in these types of events, each side knows EXACTLY who on their side is going to say or do what during the proceedings, before the proceedings begin.

233 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:21:12pm

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

234 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:21:29pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

That article by Pat is another humdinger...

This is what Drudge finds news worthy? Conservatives are fucked.

Doesn't that sound familiar...

Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

BNP, Vlaams Belang, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, etc.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:21:47pm

re: #200 Racer X

The world is insane. I need liquor.

RX? You still here?

236 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:03pm

re: #96 Charles

Because, in my opinion, the whole thing was orchestrated and planned. But it really backfired on them, and now the GOP is desperately trying to salvage something out of it.

I think it was just one guy being an a-hole.

237 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:06pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Rush was singing a similar tune earlier on his show today. He didn't throw the Stonewall Jackson/Robert E Lee Bone to the the Neoconfederacy like Buchanan did however.

238 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:14pm

re: #233 Charles

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

It's like it's happening overnight it seems. Completely bonkers.

239 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:27pm

re: #206 mikalm

'night, op!

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Be well...

Thank you for the kind wishes. Now I really am going to bed, the man is making me work tomorrow.

240 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:37pm

re: #233 Charles

Your traffic will increase with the numbers of people now wondering what you're up to.

241 opnion  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:22:54pm

re: #225 MandyManners

Sweet dreams!

Good night.

242 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:23:35pm

re: #217 Salamantis

Pat Buchanan is MSNBC's version of a minstrel show, with Pat in mainstream-conservative-face.

Funny how MSNBC's quest for "balance" comes up with one of the most vile "conservatives".
FOX should follow suit and have a contest for us to vote who they should persent as the face of Progessive/Liberalism

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:22pm

re: #229 SteveC

It's old news, but I saw a bumper sticker today that says that Obama is the 5th Cylon.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says that a Cylon can't be president. And he was assembled in Hawaii. So that's all right.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:33pm

re: #238 Gus 802

It's like it's happening overnight it seems. Completely bonkers.

Perhaps like "Let's all delink LGF and watch it's numbers plummet. We'll show him" sort of thing?

245 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:34pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

Funny how MSNBC's quest for "balance" comes up with one of the most vile "conservatives".
FOX should follow suit and have a contest for us to vote who they should persent as the face of Progessive/Liberalism

The Cynthia McKinney show!

246 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

Funny how MSNBC's quest for "balance" comes up with one of the most vile "conservatives".
FOX should follow suit and have a contest for us to vote who they should persent as the face of Progessive/Liberalism

They had Alan Colmes. He wasn't nutty enough though.

247 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

That article by Pat is another humdinger...


This is what Drudge finds news worthy? Conservatives are fucked.

Why do you look to Matt Drudge as an arbiter of conservatism?

248 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #233 Charles

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

Guess they don't need my link either, then.

249 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:57pm

re: #245 Van Helsing

The Cynthia McKinney show!

That would work!

250 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:24:59pm

How will I live. I'm being drummed out of a right wing movement I never joined.

re: #240 jaunte

Your traffic will increase with the numbers of people now wondering what you're up to.


I've never posted a single article at LGF in order to increase my traffic. Every word I've posted here has been a word I believed in. I couldn't care less if every right wing blog delinks LGF, it won't change anything I do.

251 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:11pm

CODE RED 21

I would LOVE for you to 'slpain why you downdinged # 240

252 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:11pm

re: #224 Charles

It's all about the money.

Out of plain curiosity, how much money are we talking about? Is this link hits, advertising? Donations?

253 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:27pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

I think I hate politicians more now than ever.

254 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:41pm

re: #246 Gus 802

They had Alan Colmes. He wasn't nutty enough though.

nahh ,,, I'm talking ,, WAIT ,,, I have it


CYNTHIA McKINEY!

255 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

Perhaps like "Let's all delink LGF and watch it's numbers plummet. We'll show him" sort of thing?

That's probably a part of it. Powerline, let's see. Haven't really visited them in ages.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #246 Gus 802

They had Alan Colmes. He wasn't nutty enough though.

Colmes used to publish some of his hate mail on his website. It was pretty good hate mail.

257 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:25:56pm

re: #233 Charles

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

Methinks that some folks don't like seeing their friends' dirty laundry publicly aired.

Tough turds.

I'm in favor of the antiseptic light of public attention being shined upon the seamy hijinx of the miscreants in both the Left AND the right.

258 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:26:23pm

re: #250 Charles

Absolutely. I just think the act of delinking you will have the opposite effect of the one they likely want.

259 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #230 J.D.

What heart defect do you have, if you don't mind my asking?

Tricuspid Atresia. Tricuspid refers to the Tricuspid valve, which is the "doorway" between the Right Atrium and the Right Ventricle; and Atresia is Latin for "absent." My Tricuspid Valve never formed, which means the Right Ventricle is very small and deformed.

260 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:26:47pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

nahh ,,, I'm talking ,, WAIT ,,, I have it

CYNTHIA McKINEY!

She has the eyes for television!

//

261 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:04pm

re: #233 Charles

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

The Horror!

262 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:07pm

re: #198 Gus 802
I noticed that too. WTF?

263 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:19pm

re: #236 Mich-again

I think it was just one guy being an a-hole.

From the audio I heard it emerged from a strong rumble of discontent. So, it could have been spontaneous. Stupid, in any case.

264 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:19pm
265 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:30pm

re: #250 Charles

How will I live. I'm being drummed out of a right wing movement I never joined.

I've never posted a single article at LGF in order to increase my traffic. Every word I've posted here has been a word I believed in. I couldn't care less if every right wing blog delinks LGF, it won't change anything I do.

Bravo Charles! Bravo!

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Maybe their still stuck in the HS mentality of popularity contests?

267 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #260 Gus 802

She has the eyes for television!

//

And Cynthia McKinney's hair can be used as an antenna.

268 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:50pm
269 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:27:51pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

I noticed that too. WTF?

A lot of sharks and a lot of swimmers?

270 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:28:01pm

re: #260 Gus 802

She has the eyes for television!

//

And if thats not good enough, she can bring along her father, Billy, who once pulled a knife on a colleague IN CHAMBER at the Georgia State House !

271 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:28:13pm
272 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:02pm

re: #190 opnion

That would be my guess & I won't test the theory.

Wouldn't it be just a rather exotic 'Sea Kitten'?

273 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:05pm

re: #271 mavcon

If you've lost Powerline You've lost the country.

Powerline ain't Cronkite, and Charles ain't LBJ.

274 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:08pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

And if thats not good enough, she can bring along her father, Billy, who once pulled a knife on a colleague IN CHAMBER at the Georgia State House !

And blamed his daughter's loss in 2002 on the J*E*W*S!

That was great television.

275 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:15pm

Joe Wilson's outburst, a Tourettes moment or a piss poor plot? I dunno, I just think it wise to never misunderestimate the stupidity of your friendly neighborhood politician. Sort of a step up from that America's Dumbest Criminals show.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:24pm

re: #249 Gus 802

That would work!

I don't know. McKinney is batshit crazy, yes, and very compelling to watch, but I fear she's so far to the left that the wraparound might take effect. Dunno. Do you think Beck could be persuaded that five thousand black men were secretly executed during Katrina?

BTW, one of my students asked me, today, apropos of nothing, "Mrs. SFZ, do you think Tupac is dead?"

I said, "Yes, dear."

Kid said, "I think he's in Cuba."

277 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:25pm

re: #271 mavcon

If you've lost Powerline You've lost the country.

Huh?

278 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:33pm

re: #233 Charles

Powerline has announced that they delinked me tonight.

Good riddance. They've been promoting Eurofascists, and are going completely insane like so much of the right wing.

I really think this is coordinated. Every kook in the right-wing blogosphere independently deciding that you are persona non grata within 2 days of each other, well after RS made his sick side known?

Yeah right, dry that out and you can fertilize the lawn with it.

279 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:36pm

re: #273 Salamantis

Powerline ain't Cronkite, and Charles ain't LBJ.

Thank $DEITY for that.

280 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:42pm

re: #247 MandyManners

Why do you look to Matt Drudge as an arbiter of conservatism?

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

281 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:29:43pm

re: #274 Lucius Septimius

And blamed his daughter's loss in 2002 on the J*E*W*S!

That was great television.

Damn ,,, I forgot about that!!

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:18pm

re: #260 Gus 802

She has the eyes for television!

//

Mad and fixed? Yes.

283 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:26pm

re: #250 Charles

I couldn't care less if every right wing blog delinks LGF, it won't change anything I do.

I know thats right. Rock on.

284 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:29pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Tupac? Wasn't he a Klingon?

I'm so confused.

285 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:36pm

re: #273 Salamantis

Powerline ain't Cronkite, and Charles ain't LBJ.

But, I am Dita Beard.

286 Mike Nargizian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:45pm

re: #15 Charles

Are you nuts?!
Try reading the link I posted above. CAN isn't just "non-accepting of homosexuals," they're raving insane freaks.
Amazing.


Stomping on a raving chubby nerdy little man is not by cup of tea.
He's of little concern to me.

CAN is apparently over the top nuts. However, again, Jerry Falwell made an insane comment after 9/11, Cali voted against gay marriage and even the "moderate" minister Obama had speak at his event has made anti gay and creationist comments.
Is there any part of the religious right you could co-habitate space with? Because while CAN is militantly over the top I don't think many on the rr would disagree about the general sentiment re homosexuals. It's how Rove got Bush re-elected in Ohio in 04.

Many on the left find the rr to be the greatest evil on earth, as again, you pointed out post 9/11.

So are you writing off the entire or most of the religious right where Creationism and anti homosexualism will be common?

287 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:30:59pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, one of my students asked me, today, apropos of nothing, "Mrs. SFZ, do you think Tupac is dead?"

I said, "Yes, dear."

Kid said, "I think he's in Cuba."

*FACEPALM*

288 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know. McKinney is batshit crazy, yes, and very compelling to watch, but I fear she's so far to the left that the wraparound might take effect. Dunno. Do you think Beck could be persuaded that five thousand black men were secretly executed during Katrina?

BTW, one of my students asked me, today, apropos of nothing, "Mrs. SFZ, do you think Tupac is dead?"

I said, "Yes, dear."

Kid said, "I think he's in Cuba."

She's not as slick as Buchanan. Buchanan is kind of slippery in which he doesn't let out what he writes online or in books on the air. McKinney couldn't keep that kind of control I think.

289 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #284 Lucius Septimius

Tupac? Wasn't he a Klingon?

I'm so confused.

I beat that in my youth. I was a THREE pac

Marlboros, mostly!

290 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:31pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

Well, I disagree with you.

291 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #285 MandyManners

But, I am Dita Beard.

Damn; and here I wuz a-hopin' you were Dita Von Teese!

292 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #245 Van Helsing

re: #254 sattv4u2

GMTA!

And so do ours!

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:34pm

re: #257 Salamantis

All the close friends I've had in my life, and continue to have to this day, are the ones that will tell me I am fucking up without sugar coating, and will listen when I have the same to say about something they are doing.

Friends who turn a blind eye to your critical flaws or mistakes don't really care about you. They only care about your approval.

294 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:31:57pm

re: #267 Kosh's Shadow

And Cynthia McKinney's hair can be used as an antenna.

This is the ONLY thing I will ever say in McKinney's defense, but honest to God, her hair does not usually look the way it does in that picture Charles uses whenever she's in the news. That was a particularly horribly bad hair day that has gone down in history. Her hair normally looks like, well, regular hair.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:22pm

re: #271 mavcon

Wot?! Ha!

296 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:30pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

Mad and fixed? Yes.

Or larges eyes. I think they used to say "you have eyes for the stage."

297 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:33pm

re: #278 ArchangelMichael

I really think this is coordinated. Every kook in the right-wing blogosphere independently deciding that you are persona non grata within 2 days of each other, well after RS made his sick side known?

Yeah right, dry that out and you can fertilize the lawn with it.

Yes, it does have the feeling of a coordinated effort. I think the word has gone out.

I'm a baaad conservative, and I must be punished.

298 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:34pm

re: #284 Lucius Septimius

Tupac? Wasn't he a Klingon?

I'm so confused.

Minbari (before the cocoon state)

299 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:34pm

re: #250 Charles

Every word I've posted here has been a word I believed in.

I've never doubted that, even when I've disagreed with you. That's the main reason I can't pull myself away from this site.

300 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:32:41pm

re: #290 MandyManners

Well, I disagree with you.

I agree with your disagree

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:01pm

Years from now, following some all out fistfights on the capital floorre: #280 Killgore Trout

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

Oh yeah. Right.
/
Wow!

302 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:03pm

re: #259 SteveC

Tricuspid Atresia. Tricuspid refers to the Tricuspid valve, which is the "doorway" between the Right Atrium and the Right Ventricle; and Atresia is Latin for "absent." My Tricuspid Valve never formed, which means the Right Ventricle is very small and deformed.

Oh.
I'm not familiar with that one. Mr. J.D. has "mild to moderate" cardiomyopathy.
I hope you're doing OK?

303 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:11pm

Arrrghhh

304 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:25pm

re: #291 Salamantis

Damn; and here I wuz a-hopin' you were Dita Von Teese!

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Has the memory of Nixon faded already?

305 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:29pm

BBL ,,, games back on

306 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:33:34pm

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

should'a previewed

307 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:24pm

re: #253 Code Red 21

I think I hate politicians more now than ever.

Are politicians any worse - or better than people in general? The biggest rap against them is, I think, that they are spineless or gutless, etc..., because they don't act in accord with their principles. I think many many regular people act this way and with much less than a senate or house seat on the line.

308 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:29pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

What the hell are you talking about?

309 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:44pm

I use to read Pat Buchanan's columns years ago but somewhere along the way he went nuts. When he started on his Israel bashing I quit reading his columns.

310 victor_yugo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:46pm

re: #297 Charles

Yes, it does have the feeling of a coordinated effort. I think the word has gone out.

I'm a baaad conservative, and I must be punished.

"Don't worry about people accepting your ideas. If they're any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." -- (i forget who)

311 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:46pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

I agree with your disagree

Mhy disagree might not align with your diagree precisely, so beware.

CAN I BUY A "MENT"?

312 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:34:49pm

I hate British Nazis.

/got 108 miles to London, a full tank of gas, it's dark and I'm wearing sunglasses. HIT IT!

//also good morning

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:35:10pm

re: #284 Lucius Septimius

Tupac? Wasn't he a Klingon?

I'm so confused.

Tupac Shakur, iconic rapper and hip-hop artist, murdered in 1996. Like Elvis, etc., he is believed by some--my more naive students among them--to have faked his own death.

314 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:35:43pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Tupac's not dead, he just went home.

/MIB was a good movie

315 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:36:46pm

re: #314 laZardo

Tupac's not dead, he just went home.

Any word about Jackson?

316 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:36:52pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

Stomping on a raving chubby nerdy little man is not by cup of tea.
He's of little concern to me.

CAN is apparently over the top nuts. However, again, Jerry Falwell made an insane comment after 9/11, Cali voted against gay marriage and even the "moderate" minister Obama had speak at his event has made anti gay and creationist comments.
Is there any part of the religious right you could co-habitate space with? Because while CAN is militantly over the top I don't think many on the rr would disagree about the general sentiment re homosexuals. It's how Rove got Bush re-elected in Ohio in 04.

Many on the left find the rr to be the greatest evil on earth, as again, you pointed out post 9/11.

So are you writing off the entire or most of the religious right where Creationism and anti homosexualism will be common?

Huh?

317 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:37:10pm

re: #316 MandyManners

Huh?

Que?

318 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:37:23pm

re: #316 MandyManners

That was my thought too.

319 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:37:25pm

re: #297 Charles

Yes, it does have the feeling of a coordinated effort. I think the word has gone out.

I'm a baaad conservative, and I must be punished.

"That costs extra at the Kit-Kat Club back home." - Glen Allen Walken, The West Wing

320 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:37:31pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

Tupac Shakur, iconic rapper and hip-hop artist, murdered in 1996. Like Elvis, etc., he is believed by some--my more naive students among them--to have faked his own death.

Tuvok, a Vulcan played by Tim Russ, is a character on the television series Star Trek: Voyager

321 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:38:01pm

re: #279 victor_yugo

How PERLy.

322 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:38:26pm
323 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:38:36pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Or larges eyes. I think they used to say "you have eyes for the stage."

Big expressive eyes. Yes. The problem is, if the eyes really are the window to the soul, do we want to look at Cynthia's?

324 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:38:44pm

re: #309 Code Red 21

I use to read Pat Buchanan's columns years ago but somewhere along the way he went nuts. When he started on his Israel bashing I quit reading his columns.

That motherfucker's anti-Israeli bias was apparent a long, long time ago.

325 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:38:49pm

re: #290 MandyManners

Well, I disagree with you.

and I agree with you.
The left was just nutty in my eyes, anyway. It was over different things and in different ways. But equal nuttiness.

326 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:39:07pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

I have never known Charles to stomach evangelical homophobes, those who lobby to cram creationism into public schools, or those who cheer when antiabortion terrorists murder doctors.

And I have a strong hunch that he's not about to start stomaching them now, just to appease undeservedly self-righteous anuses.

327 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:39:26pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

In 1997, after Ellen Degeneres came out as a lesbian on her TV sitcom, Mawyer accused her of "DUMPING HER FILTHY LESBIAN LIFESTYLE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF YOUR LIVING ROOM!! ... If we allow the tidal wave of gay and lesbian smut to continue to pour into our homes, it will utterly consume us in no time at all!"

Anyone who believes stupidity like this is not someone sane people need as a political ally.

328 Mike Nargizian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:39:55pm

re: #308 Charles

What the hell are you talking about?

Exactly what I said... CAN is nuts but most on the RR are going to somewhat agree re homosexualism etc.. and creationism to a degree.
So is CAN a freek occurence for the RR? probably not, so I'm asking is any portion of the RR, any leading figure that would be pallatable or credible to cohabitate space with on a topic you might agree with them on, Islamic Fundamentalism etc...

329 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:02pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

Ah, the Charles hates christians rant... how quaint.

330 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:12pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

Big expressive eyes. Yes. The problem is, if the eyes really are the window to the soul, do we want to look at Cynthia's?

No! I just realized I made a mistake and said larges eyes instead of larger eyes which I intended. Oddly enough it still works.

331 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:18pm

re: #322 mavcon

MAVCON

(Logged in)
Registered since: Nov 26, 2006 at 12:46 pm
No. of comments posted: 26
No. of links posted: 0

332 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:36pm

re: #316 MandyManners

Huh?

That's his way of trying to say "hating gays is mainstream" or something via an appeal to the majority. Another ad populum fallacy. Don't they teach anything in school anymore?

This is his flow of illogic.

California passes Prop 8 -> ? -> CAN are not kooks.

333 McJenny50  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:50pm

OMG! Jim Traficant is on Greta and he is a raving lunatic spouting off about Israel. He needs to be locked up again and this time throw away the key. Greta will be on again later tonight - anyone that has a chance to watch it should - even though it will turn your stomach.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:52pm

re: #322 mavcon

Aw fer crying out loud, just fuckin' flounce off already.

335 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:40:53pm

re: #315 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Any word about Jackson?

336 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:41:00pm

re: #309 Code Red 21

I use to read Pat Buchanan's columns years ago but somewhere along the way he went nuts. When he started on his Israel bashing I quit reading his columns.

I apologize!

337 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:41:11pm

re: #286 Mike Nargizian

Stomping on a raving chubby nerdy little man is not by cup of tea.
He's of little concern to me.

CAN is apparently over the top nuts. However, again, Jerry Falwell made an insane comment after 9/11, Cali voted against gay marriage and even the "moderate" minister Obama had speak at his event has made anti gay and creationist comments.
Is there any part of the religious right you could co-habitate space with? Because while CAN is militantly over the top I don't think many on the rr would disagree about the general sentiment re homosexuals. It's how Rove got Bush re-elected in Ohio in 04.

Many on the left find the rr to be the greatest evil on earth, as again, you pointed out post 9/11.

So are you writing off the entire or most of the religious right where Creationism and anti homosexualism will be common?

All your Christians are belong to us

338 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

I'll believe that when I start seeing Buck Ofama bumper stickers on pickup trucks. I think ODS is about the same intensity as BDS was.

You have a short memory. The left was indeed off the deep end during the Bush presidency. Maybe you could peruse some of the LGF archives and read up ..

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:41:27pm

re: #319 SteveC

"That costs extra at the Kit-Kat Club back home." - Glen Allen Walken, The West Wing

How much of a liberal geek am I? He says that to C.J. when he walks up and her (girl) assistant is brushing something off the seat of her skirt.

340 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:41:31pm

Mavcon be gone!

341 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:17pm

re: #302 J.D.

Oh.
I'm not familiar with that one. Mr. J.D. has "mild to moderate" cardiomyopathy.
I hope you're doing OK?

I am happy to say that I am doing very well! 3 surgeries completely recovered from, a pacemaker that won't need to be changed for "16 to 21 months", at last report, and a good job that lets me work from home when I need to.

342 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:21pm

re: #329 Dan G.

Ah, the Charles hates christians rant... how quaint.

Charles hates coercive intolerance, no matter what religion the intolerant appeal to in order to justify their coercions.

343 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:29pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Mavcon be gone!

I barely blinked and that one was gone!

344 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:31pm

re: #328 Mike Nargizian

Exactly what I said... CAN is nuts but most on the RR are going to somewhat agree re homosexualism etc.. and creationism to a degree.
So is CAN a freek occurence for the RR? probably not, so I'm asking is any portion of the RR, any leading figure that would be pallatable or credible to cohabitate space with on a topic you might agree with them on, Islamic Fundamentalism etc...

I'm religious. I'm "right". I have absolutely NO agreement whatsoever with creationism; nor am I "anti-homosexual".

Also, "rr" me is here at LGF, welcome to post as much as I want in a day.

So you just have a lot of misinformation there.

345 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #337 cliffster

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SALVATION MAKE YOUR TIME.

346 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:42:43pm

re: #307 Flyers1974

Are politicians any worse - or better than people in general? The biggest rap against them is, I think, that they are spineless or gutless, etc..., because they don't act in accord with their principles. I think many many regular people act this way and with much less than a senate or house seat on the line.


I guess I think that you elect people who you consider a little bit more altruistic than maybe the regular John Q. Public. I should never have watched Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:43:16pm

re: #327 jaunte

Anyone who believes stupidity like this is not someone sane people need as a political ally.

I was rather confused when people reacted badly to Ellen coming out. I had never realized she was in.

348 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:43:20pm

re: #333 McJenny50

OMG! Jim Traficant is on Greta and he is a raving lunatic spouting off about Israel. He needs to be locked up again and this time throw away the key. Greta will be on again later tonight - anyone that has a chance to watch it should - even though it will turn your stomach.

He was released from prison eight days ago. He must have learned much while serving time and just couldn't wait to demonstrate his new-found wisdom.

349 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:43:27pm

Expect a lot of flounces tonight.

Powerline has delinked me, but added Gateway Pundit, where you can find an amazing amount of hate speech, pictures of the Hitler Youth, Birtherism, and open bigotry.

Good luck with that approach, guys.

350 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:43:51pm

re: #336 MandyManners

I apologize!


For what?

351 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #342 Salamantis

I've noticed, some of the lunatics haven't.

352 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:24pm

To flounce or not to flounce, that is the question.

353 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:30pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

The left exaggerated quite a few things but at least they didn't make stuff up. 'Cept for the whole "Iraq draft" bit, that was BS.

354 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:46pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

How much of a liberal geek am I? He says that to C.J. when he walks up and her (girl) assistant is brushing something off the seat of her skirt.

Dog hair from Walken's dog, IIRC!

355 Gella  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:44:58pm

and in the latest O tv abuse news
BLITZ: OBAMA TO GIVE SPEECH ABOUT FINANCIAL CRISIS ON MONDAY; AFTER DOING '60 MINUTES' ON SUNDAY...
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

356 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:45:22pm

What the hell is James Traficant doing on Fox News?

Good lord. The world has gone nuts.

357 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:45:46pm

Gotta' go disabuse a child's belief that he can sleep in the first floor's den four storeys down. The very idea.

358 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:03pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Mavcon be gone!

re: #343 VioletTiger

I barely blinked and that one was gone!

Strong magic!

359 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:09pm

re: #356 Charles

When left and (sensible) right hate Fox News, that's "fair and balanced!™"

360 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:13pm

re: #357 MandyManners

Kids these days...

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:28pm

re: #354 SteveC

Dog hair from Walken's dog, IIRC!

Bess!

362 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:53pm

re: #328 Mike Nargizian

If you've been paying attention you would know that LGF only on occasion touches upon the religious right. If it does it focuses on the pseudo religious types like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. Many here go out of there way to be respectful of other religions or those without religion.

363 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:46:56pm

re: #359 laZardo

All it takes for balance is equal magnitude, opposite direction.

364 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:47:00pm

re: #349 Charles

Expect a lot of flounces tonight.

Powerline has delinked me, but added Gateway Pundit, where you can find an amazing amount of hate speech, pictures of the Hitler Youth, Birtherism, and open bigotry.

Good luck with that approach, guys.


I think they're getting ready for a big coordinated freakout over the "jumma" prayer scheduled at the Capitol September 25.

365 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:47:07pm

re: #349 Charles

I'll predict that some time around 2011, or perhaps 2013, some of those folks will come around trying to kiss your ass, hoping for forgiveness.

Then again, maybe not.

366 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:47:38pm

re: #353 laZardo

The left exaggerated quite a few things but at least they didn't make stuff up. 'Cept for the whole "Iraq draft" bit, that was BS.

Oh, they made stuff up. You just didn't take it personally because it wasn't your own being idiots.

367 McJenny50  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:04pm

re: #356 Charles

What the hell is James Traficant doing on Fox News?

Good lord. The world has gone nuts.

Technically, he's not on the news portion of Fox, but it is an interview with Greta which might not be a bad idea since it allows people to see just what he is. Sounds like he is thinking about running for office again. Heaven help us!!

368 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:18pm

re: #355 Gella

and in the latest O tv abuse news
BLITZ: OBAMA TO GIVE SPEECH ABOUT FINANCIAL CRISIS ON MONDAY; AFTER DOING '60 MINUTES' ON SUNDAY...
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

.

All he does is, "Talk Talk"

369 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:28pm
370 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:34pm
371 J.S.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:48pm

Getting kicked out of a restaurant?? wow. Classy...
/

372 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #356 Charles

What the hell is James Traficant doing on Fox News?

Good lord. The world has gone nuts.

Does Traficant's hairdo still look like a squirrel sitting on his head? And did they mention he was a D as in Democrat. Crazy or not, his one-minute speeches in Congress were classic. BEAM ME UP!

373 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:21pm

re: #367 McJenny50

Technically, he's not on the news portion of Fox, but it is an interview with Greta which might not be a bad idea since it allows people to see just what he is. Sounds like he is thinking about running for office again. Heaven help us!!

Is that the guy with the really big hair?

374 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #370 OMMAG

Flounce #2.

375 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:25pm

re: #353 laZardo

The left exaggerated quite a few things but at least they didn't make stuff up. 'Cept for the whole "Iraq draft" bit, that was BS.

You're so funny!
"exaggeration" is just about the same as "making things up".
ex·ag·ger·ate (ĭg-zāj'ə-rāt')
v. ex·ag·ger·at·ed, ex·ag·ger·at·ing, ex·ag·ger·ates

v. tr.
To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate: exaggerate the size of the enemy force; exaggerated his own role in the episode.
To enlarge or increase to an abnormal degree: thick lenses that exaggerated the size of her eyes.

376 jcm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:35pm

Evening Honcos!
Gloaming

377 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:48pm

re: #372 Mich-again

GMTA!

378 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:48pm

The lengths that people go through to get one sentence in front of your face Charles... its amazing. Keeping an eye out for open registration, etc... and yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, they don't think what you have to say is relevant? Then why the effort?

379 McJenny50  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:53pm

re: #373 VioletTiger

Is that the guy with the really big hair?

Yep - what a piece of work.

380 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:50:54pm

In 12 hours from now it will be the anniversary of 911..A moment in time that changed all of our lives...The stories are deeply touching..The hundreds of posts on Veterans Day and on memorial weekend leaves all us American patriots humbled and in tears of the blood our heroes have shed for our liberty and freedom in our great land..
We throw around words like Conservative creed and liberals breathlessly and in anger and contempt to our fellow citizens...our neighbors..our friends..our fellow Americans..
I pray to God we can rise above it all for a few hours in the morning...
Bless their Souls God Almighty...Heal our hearts..And destroy our enemies..

381 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:51:01pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

There was plenty of secession and revolution rhetoric from the left. I don't know how many of those damn Red State/Blue State maps with the Red States labeled as "Jesusland" throughout the Bush administration. It was also perfectly acceptable within the media and popular culture to relentlessly make fun of the president. Every single day. He was booed throwing out the first pitch in the baseball season. They made movies about assassinating him. There were at least 2 if not more comedy shows on Comedy central of which their entire plot was making fun of the president. One of these shows was on the air during his first year as president. He was heckled at some of the SOTU speeches by Democrat congress members. It goes on and on.

The biggest differences between BDS and ODS, is that there was not a element of racism in BDS (except maybe for Kanye) and revolution rhetoric was not coming from democrat governors and congressmen, just their "kooks" in the blogosphere.

BDS was still greater than ODS. That makes neither of them right and any attempt to say "mommy they did it first" is asinine. I had to put up with that shit from a knee-jerk Republican friend today. "Wilson is hero!" to which I reply "oh FFS... so you pulling for the Steelers?"

382 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #341 SteveC

I am happy to say that I am doing very well! 3 surgeries completely recovered from, a pacemaker that won't need to be changed for "16 to 21 months", at last report, and a good job that lets me work from home when I need to.

Glad to hear it!

383 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #376 jcm

Chemtrails!

384 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:51:58pm

I've preemptively flounced Mike N., because I just don't have the patience to wait for him to do it himself.

That's #3.

Expect more.

Wheee!

385 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #346 Code Red 21

I guess I think that you elect people who you consider a little bit more altruistic than maybe the regular John Q. Public. I should never have watched Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

I think some are altruistic and are/were idealistic. My guess is that more often than not, people who get into politics did so because they are just good at the things necessary for getting into politics - making connections, making deals, etc...

386 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:52:45pm

re: #349 Charles

Expect a lot of flounces tonight.

Powerline has delinked me, but added Gateway Pundit, where you can find an amazing amount of hate speech, pictures of the Hitler Youth, Birtherism, and open bigotry.

Good luck with that approach, guys.

Curiously, Gateway Pundit still lists LGF among its "Favorite American Blogs".

Evidently not getting the memo.

387 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:52:50pm

re: #375 reine.de.tout

About the same isn't the same. FEMA didn't put up concentration camps but that didn't excuse them from messing up in New Orleans in Katrina. There was the start of the economic crisis, although that didn't end up in the Second Great Depression.

/it's not a good joke, but you have to laugh anyway.

388 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:53:03pm

re: #374 Charles

Flounce #2.

Did the flounce have tulle?

389 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #367 McJenny50

Sounds like he is thinking about running for office again. Heaven help us!!

I bet he wins. There's room for one more clown at the circus.

390 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:53:36pm

re: #386 Dar ul Harb

Curiously, Gateway Pundit still lists LGF among its "Favorite American Blogs".

Evidently not getting the memo.

Don't worry, he'll fall in line. He's kind of ... slow.

391 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:53:42pm

re: #374 Charles

Flounce #2.

We have such low quality trolls these days, are we getting them from a different supplier?

We need another good, high quality troll, someone like nodrog, who could drive us nuts without stepping over the line.

392 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:53:59pm

re: #384 Charles

Could you add graphic blood splatters on the background with each flounce? A bit gory, but I think it would be pretty neat.

393 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:54:08pm

re: #380 HoosierHoops

One of those events where you will remember exactly what you were doing, every detail, when you heard.

394 jcm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:54:22pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Chemtrails!

Just my commute back to base under Mt. Rainier!

395 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:54:44pm

re: #391 SteveC

We have such low quality trolls these days, are we getting them from a different supplier?

We need another good, high quality troll, someone like nodrog, who could drive us nuts without stepping over the line.

Would one of the long time Lizards like to step up and fill in for a flounce?
/

396 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:54:53pm

re: #392 Dan G.

Could you add graphic blood splatters on the background with each flounce? A bit gory, but I think it would be pretty neat.

And maybe the sound of a maggot popping under a boot heel...;~)

397 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:00pm

re: #387 laZardo

About the same isn't the same. FEMA didn't put up concentration camps but that didn't excuse them from messing up in New Orleans in Katrina. There was the start of the economic crisis, although that didn't end up in the Second Great Depression.

/it's not a good joke, but you have to laugh anyway.

OMG.
Lazardo - FEMA didn't mess up NOLA. It was messed up before Katrina.
Really. Honestly. And then Blanco and Nagin squabbled and napped and wept and couldn't do anything right, before or after. Any issues with FEMA were minor compared to all else. Truly.

398 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:06pm

re: #378 Dan G.

It boggles the mind.

I mean, I don't like liver & onions, so I don't eat liver & onions. Pretty simple.

Despite the fact that I can't even stand the smell of it, you won't find me going over to liver & onions' house just to yell at it and tell it how much I don't like it.

Some people's children, sheesh!

399 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:08pm

re: #391 SteveC

Be careful what you wish for...

re: #392 Dan G.

UPDING'D FOR HARDCORE FACTOR.

/headbanging

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:09pm

BTW, I wanted to throw this out:

Tomorrow the kids at the school I work at (private) are being given a rare opportunity to buy a 'free dress day' in honor of 9/11. They pay two bucks and don't have to wear the school uniform, as long as they wear a t-shirt with a "positive 9/11 or American theme". (Lots of details as to what this means were announced over the PA). Money will go to the Red Cross or some other disaster relief org.

What do you think? It seems frivolous to me. I'd rather see a prayer service, or something like that. On the other hand, I guess it's harmless, and it encourages the kids to commemorate the events of 9/11/01.

401 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:24pm

Greta Van Susteren devoted her entire hour-long show to promoting James Traficant tonight.

402 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:25pm

re: #379 McJenny50

Yep - what a piece of work.


Here it is...

403 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:25pm

re: #391 SteveC

I think Locker is trying to fill his shoes.

404 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:42pm

Is there going to be a 9/11 stories thread tomorrow similar to previous years?

405 jcm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:48pm
406 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:55:54pm

re: #376 jcm

Evening Honcos!
Gloaming

It's sights like that that make me miss the Great Northwet.

407 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:56:20pm

re: #381 ArchangelMichael

You're missing a key difference. How many Dem governors talked about secession? The crazy goes much higher up which makes it much more dangerous. Fox news is far crazier than anything CNN or MSNBC ever did. People believe this stuff and eventually somebody's going to take action.

408 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:56:25pm

re: #349 Charles

You get the most flack when you're right over the target! Isn't that the saying? Hang in there!

409 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:56:28pm

re: #405 jcm

Stretching the muscles before a flounce.

the image IT BURNS!!!

410 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:56:34pm

re: #405 jcm

Ouch!

411 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's a good idea.

412 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:27pm

re: #353 laZardo

The left exaggerated quite a few things but at least they didn't make stuff up. 'Cept for the whole "Iraq draft" bit, that was BS.


Oh, I wish you'd been here for the beginning of the war in Iraq. There was some seriously nutty stuff going on with the left, and we made fun of all that we could find.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

The crazy goes much higher up which makes it much more dangerous.

That's my concern. It's not that the crazy is any different, it's that it's being given more credence by people with responsible positions.

414 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #397 reine.de.tout

Sorry, this week has been crazy. I promise to do some writing for you this weekend.

415 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:44pm

Lew Rockwell has been promoting Traficant, too.

416 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:46pm

re: #381 ArchangelMichael

There was plenty of secession and revolution rhetoric from the left. I don't know how many of those damn Red State/Blue State maps with the Red States labeled as "Jesusland" throughout the Bush administration. It was also perfectly acceptable within the media and popular culture to relentlessly make fun of the president. Every single day. He was booed throwing out the first pitch in the baseball season. They made movies about assassinating him. There were at least 2 if not more comedy shows on Comedy central of which their entire plot was making fun of the president. One of these shows was on the air during his first year as president. He was heckled at some of the SOTU speeches by Democrat congress members. It goes on and on.

The biggest differences between BDS and ODS, is that there was not a element of racism in BDS (except maybe for Kanye) and revolution rhetoric was not coming from democrat governors and congressmen, just their "kooks" in the blogosphere.

BDS was still greater than ODS. That makes neither of them right and any attempt to say "mommy they did it first" is asinine. I had to put up with that shit from a knee-jerk Republican friend today. "Wilson is hero!" to which I reply "oh FFS... so you pulling for the Steelers?"

And to this I'd add that the left has been more organized and has approached this from a more coherent ideological direction. ANSWER was a remnant of older Soviet organization; the right-wing organizations do not have that sort of pedigree. They are, for the most part, new to this sort of civil (I know -- stretching the term) disobedience.

That said, perhaps what we're seeing is the notion that success sells. For a generation or more, the left has been extremely successful at forcing the opinions of a tiny minority on the nation at large. It strikes me as no coincidence that we are seeing elements of the right adopting the same tactics after watching the left use them to such great effect for the past forty years.

417 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #397 reine.de.tout

I said they messed up in New Orleans, i.e. during their recovery mission. It took the Military before things really got going again.

418 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:58:00pm

ACORN advice on how to deal with your under-age hookers who are illegal aliens.


[Link: biggovernment.com...]

419 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:58:32pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

I like it. Remembrance is good, and it should be thoughtful but positive. Giving the proceeds to disaster relief agencies is forward looking as well. It sends a message that we must be prepared.

420 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:58:51pm

Hey, you're still linked on Michelle Malkin's blogroll and at Hot Air, too!

(So you've got that goin' for you. /Carl Spackler)

421 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:02pm

re: #418 MandyManners

ACORN advice on how to deal with your under-age hookers who are illegal aliens.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

advice on how to "train" them?

422 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:04pm

re: #353 laZardo

The left exaggerated quite a few things but at least they didn't make stuff up. 'Cept for the whole "Iraq draft" bit, that was BS.

They made up that whole thing about Sarah Palin's son being her daughter's kid.

423 SteveC  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:06pm

re: #412 J.D.

Oh, I wish you'd been here for the beginning of the war in Iraq. There was some seriously nutty stuff going on with the left, and we made fun of all that we could find.

Oh my, back then we were getting 215% of our Recommended Daily Allowance of Fruits and Nuts. I was sprouting leaves!

424 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #418 MandyManners

ACORN advice on how to deal with your under-age hookers who are illegal aliens.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Don't have time to read it right now. Do you get them NEA grants for "street performances that challenge traditional notions of gender, feminine authority, and sexuality"?

425 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:37pm

re: #412 J.D.

While I question the official reasons that we went to Iraq in the first place, that doesn't change the fact that we are currently there anyway, and that it is our responsibility to clean up the mess we made before we go.

426 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #376 jcm

Evening Honcos!
Gloaming

That is gorgeous!

427 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:00:10pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

Agree completely and it makes perfect sense. I think this country has always leaned more right than left. I doubt many conservatives would disagree with that statement. If that is a true statement, it would seem to follow that the left's elected officials, if they wish to remain as such, have less room for craziness. I also think the average person on the right is more committed than the average person on the left. Remember back to when Bush was elected in 2000. Not long after the SC decision, I recall that most of the left being pretty much accepted things. True, there was an uproar and protests. However, imagine if Obama had won his election in the same fashion as Bush 2000.

428 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #420 Dar ul Harb

Hey, you're still linked on Michelle Malkin's blogroll and at Hot Air, too!

(So you've got that goin' for you. /Carl Spackler)

Not for long. Watch.

429 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:00:50pm

re: #422 Big Steve

Right...that makes two. That one quickly died out once disproved though.

430 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:01:06pm

*slow burn*

431 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:01:39pm

re: #427 Flyers1974

However, imagine if Obama had won his election in the same fashion as Bush 2000.

You mean by getting more votes?

432 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:01:41pm

re: #430 MandyManners

*slow burn*

Take it easy~

433 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:01:58pm

Each side thinks the other side is crazier. Shocked I am.

434 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:02:33pm

re: #401 Charles

Greta Van Susteren devoted her entire hour-long show to promoting James Traficant tonight.

Aww, she's always doing true crime shows isn't she?

435 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:03:19pm

re: #421 cliffster

advice on how to "train" them?

Considering your earlier posts,

Fuck You.

436 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #429 laZardo

Right...that makes two. That one quickly died out once disproved though.

Blood for oil, the Army Corp of Engineers dynamiting the levies in New Orleans, the left version of the FEMA concentration camps...

437 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

what flavor though?nirther,truther,anti-isreal,anti-american,anti-vaccination,inelligent design,...the list goes on...

438 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:04:31pm

re: #428 Charles

Not for long. Watch.

Here's betting that Instapundit and Totten stick with you.

439 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:04:42pm

re: #432 laZardo

Take it easy~

I hope you do the same when the shit hits the fan in your sphere.

440 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:04:53pm

re: #429 laZardo

Right...that makes two. That one quickly died out once disproved though.

Even though they hate her now, at the time Cindy Shehan and the left made up the story that Bush wouldn't meet with her when in fact he had.

441 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:05:14pm

re: #436 Van Helsing

Blood for oil, the Army Corp of Engineers dynamiting the levies in New Orleans, the left version of the FEMA concentration camps...

Yep. I also recall hearing the radio spot that Andy Young did in Atlanta in 2004 saying that Republicans were planning to bring back "dogs and firehoses" and take away Blacks' right to vote.

442 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:05:19pm

re: #405 jcm

Stretching the muscles before a flounce.

C'mon, man. You said those photos you took were for *ahem* personal use, and that you wouldn't share them anyone.

I mean, damn dude, you didn't even pay me.
//

443 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:05:29pm

re: #435 MandyManners

Considering your earlier posts,

Fuck You.

Whatever Mandy. I don't think I ever sent my response, which was that no I wasn't defending them, I was just saying that their bosses were not thrilled to see that.

444 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:05:30pm

re: #436 Van Helsing

See #387 for the last two. The oil companies did tend to rake in hefty profits from the startlingly high prices 2007-8ish though...

445 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:05:52pm

re: #433 Pianobuff

Each side thinks the other side is crazier. Shocked I am.

I'm not concerned with which side is crazier. I'm concerned with who is right.

446 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:06:02pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

He's not but the secession and revolution talk also comes from right wing politicians and governors. They've completely lost their minds. The left was never this crazy under Bush. I'm sorry but the right has gone way past what the left was up to under Bush. Way past, not even close anymore.

OY!

447 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #435 MandyManners

Considering your earlier posts,

Fuck You.

I could be wrong Mandy, but i think he was referring to the video itself...in the video one of the woman refers to trainng your 13 yr old prostitutes right. "train em right." ... "Teach em to be quiet and say nothing"

448 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:06:52pm

re: #106 Charles

Hannity's going after Cass Sunstein now.

We've entered an age when there isn't just one Joseph McCarthy -- there's a whole cable network full of them.

He was already confirmed by the Senate.

449 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:06:53pm

re: #415 jaunte

is that the ex-congressman from ohio (with the crazy hair)who ran for re-election even though he was going to jail?

450 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #444 laZardo

See #387 for the last two. The oil companies did tend to rake in hefty profits from the startlingly high prices 2007-8ish though...

Funny how no one is complaining this year when oil company profits are depressed.

451 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:07:03pm

re: #440 Big Steve

Hmm. I distinctly remember Bush did meet with her once but not anytime after that.

452 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:07:15pm

Breitbart's new advice for conservatives.

It is time, as Hannah said as we walked out of the ACORN facility, for conservative activists to “create chaos for glory.”


What could go wrong?

453 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:07:56pm

...

454 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:02pm

re: #447 unrealizedviewpoint

I could be wrong Mandy, but i think he was referring to the video itself...in the video one of the woman refers to trainng your 13 yr old prostitutes right. "train em right." ... "Teach em to be quiet and say nothing"

Yes, thanks. That's what I was referring to. Earlier I had made a comment that might have been construed as being apologist for them, and then as I was clarifying, I got busy and never got around to sending

455 Chip Designer  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:12pm

While who to link to is a personal choice, I do not think that it is required to approve of everyone you link to.

I had a business site, and I provided links to my competition. I did so to show that I was not afraid of them, and I personally found it useful when I wanted to check up on what they were doing.

If I ran a political blog (and I don't need to, since I can post here at LGF), I would probably link to key opposition sites. I could link to both the Republican and Democratic party sites. I might even include the Democratic Underground and Ron Paul.

456 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #430 MandyManners

*slow burn*

Slo Burn

{Mandy}

457 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:29pm

re: #452 jaunte

Breitbart's new advice for conservatives.


What could go wrong?

Breibart said that? Weird, he's always mumbling on TV whenever I see him and hard to understand. I don't mind reading him from to time.

458 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:37pm

re: #438 Salamantis

Here's betting that Instapundit and Totten stick with you.

Now if you've lost the Puppy Blender, that's pretty heavy.

459 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:43pm

re: #453 Flyers1974

...

Don't know what happened to post 453.

460 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:45pm

re: #447 unrealizedviewpoint

I could be wrong Mandy, but i think he was referring to the video itself...in the video one of the woman refers to trainng your 13 yr old prostitutes right. "train em right." ... "Teach em to be quiet and say nothing"

Oh, for fuck's sake. THIS IS THE VIDEO.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

461 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:08:51pm

re: #451 laZardo

Hmm. I distinctly remember Bush did meet with her once but not anytime after that.

He met with here initially as he did with many deceased soldier's parents. Later when she was camping out in Crawford and was the darling of the left she claimed that he had refused to meet with her. The fact of the matter was that he had met with here but once she became an incredible ass he did refuse a second meeting.

462 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:02pm

9-11 is ancient history. Don't dwell on it. Now that we have properly assessed root causes, it is time to move forward. Apologies to the folks in the ME have been made and now they like us. We are in the hope and change era now. Please get current.

By the way, did you see the latest photos?
Doesn't KSM look just great these days!

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:05pm

Rarer than a solar eclipse.

I have the number one comment? Y'all need to ding some smart people.

464 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:07pm

re: #455 Chip Designer

The opposition isn't the issue.

465 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:10pm

re: #446 solomonpanting

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

466 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:27pm

re: #423 SteveC

Oh my, back then we were getting 215% of our Recommended Daily Allowance of Fruits and Nuts. I was sprouting leaves!

LOL!
It was hard to beat the entertainment value of all that. I wonder if any of it is still in the archives.

467 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:31pm

We got back from New York just a short time ago.

I have a picture of the bride and groom, any Lizard who wants to view it, please send an email using the "contact" form on my blog and I will send you a link to the seekrit Zionist wedding photo.

468 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:32pm

re: #431 unrealizedviewpoint

You mean by getting more votes?

No, I meant if Obama won election in such a tight manner as Bush 2000.

469 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:44pm

re: #460 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. THIS IS THE VIDEO.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Either way, though, fuck you yourself ;)

470 jcm  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth

C'mon, man. You said those photos you took were for *ahem* personal use, and that you wouldn't share them anyone.

I mean, damn dude, you didn't even pay me.
//

I left what was left of that case of Coors Lite, jeesh some people have no gratitude.

/;-P

471 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:10:02pm

re: #457 Gus 802

That's the theme of this ACORN sting story that's launching his new site.
I'm pretty sure he thinks it's a good marketing strategy.

472 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:10:10pm

[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
I just came across this link to a House Oversight Committee staff report on Acorn dated July 23, 2009.
From a reading of the executive summary and pp.7-8 of the report, and assuming the document is even half legit, I would say that anyone who seriously maintains that Acorn executives deserve a pass on allegations that they were complicit in voter registration fraud and other serious wrongdoing, is being perhaps just a tad generous.

473 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #451 laZardo

Hmm. I distinctly remember Bush did meet with her once but not anytime after that.

Bush will declare martial law to keep from leaving the presidency, 5000 black convicts executed and left in the swamps.
OK. the last one was from C. McKinney, although I believe most think the Green party has kind of a leftward slant.

474 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:10:48pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

You're correct. I repent. The left was an exercise in civility.

475 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:10:53pm

re: #418 MandyManners

ACORN advice on how to deal with your under-age hookers who are illegal aliens.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Let me guess. Don't post the pictures on Facebook?

476 The Left  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:11:25pm

"Robert Spencer and the Extremists"


My vote for shittiest band name ever.

477 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:11:33pm

re: #461 Big Steve

Ah. I guess they meant the second meeting, not that he refused to see her at all.

478 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #444 laZardo

See #387 for the last two. The oil companies did tend to rake in hefty profits from the startlingly high prices 2007-8ish though...

I don't recall their profit margin exceeding 10-11%. The high end of the profit spectrum for commodities, but not terribly out of line.

479 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:11:49pm

re: #460 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. THIS IS THE VIDEO.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Oh, for fuck's sake. WHY IS MANDY MAD AT ME?.

480 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:11:54pm

re: #449 Boondock St. Bender

Yeah buddy, that's his own hair.

(It looks so lifelike, too.)

481 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12:02pm

re: #475 Mich-again

Let me guess. Don't post the pictures on Facebook?

And Craigslist isn't a good place to advertise their services any more...

482 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12:58pm

re: #425 laZardo

While I question the official reasons that we went to Iraq in the first place, that doesn't change the fact that we are currently there anyway, and that it is our responsibility to clean up the mess we made before we go.

I don't so much question the reasons we went, and I agree we absolutely do have to help them get on their feet.

483 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12:58pm

re: #471 jaunte

That's the theme of this ACORN sting story that's launching his new site.
I'm pretty sure he thinks it's a good marketing strategy.

Yeah, the angry protester. I never got into the angry protester stuff. Reminds me of the anarchist trouble makers or worse. We'll see what happens. Winter's coming and when people get cooped up for a long time things might get worse as the let their own internal anger build up. Or, it keeps them off the streets.

484 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12:59pm

I hope the consumers of prostitute here at LGF rest happy.

485 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

Does hanging and burning effigies count?

486 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:13:19pm

Frankly,given the earlier thread today,and some of the things i've been reading on blogs since the election,I'm dissapointed in alot of people/blogs who I thought were intelligent reasonable folks.it turns out many are just the flip side of the progressive "Chimpymcbushhitler" stripe.

487 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:13:20pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

Can't speak to that, but remember all the folks who were laughing and hoping that Cheney would die of cancer.

There was not a lot of "love thy neighbor" on the left when it came to Bush and Cheney. And the anti-Semitism -- often thinly veiled by comments about "neo-cons" -- was open.

488 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:13:41pm

re: #484 MandyManners

I hope the consumers of prostitute here at LGF rest happy.

I never eaten one of them.

489 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:13:45pm

re: #473 Van Helsing

Bush will declare martial law to keep from leaving the presidency, 5000 black convicts executed and left in the swamps.
OK. the last one was from C. McKinney, although I believe most think the Green party has kind of a leftward slant.

I never said the lefties didn't have their fringe especially on New Orleans (which the swamp convicts bit came from?). But the first one struck me as distinctly Alex Jones, and his unflinching support of Ron Paul didn't exactly make him "left-wing."

490 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:14:19pm

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

I never eaten one of them.

That would be nasty!

491 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:14:25pm

re: #484 MandyManners

I hope the consumers of prostitute here at LGF rest happy.

Chill, we're just as pissed about it as you are.

492 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:14:31pm

I blame Glenn Beck.

493 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:14:40pm

re: #490 Salamantis

That would be nasty!

Probably tastes like Aloe Vera.

//

494 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:14:43pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

How many righties made movies about assassinating the President?

It's everywhere Killgore, there are no innocents.

Oh, and rifle carriers at public events should be busted. Nor should hate mongers of any stirpe be rewarded, ever.

495 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:15:08pm

re: #490 Salamantis

That would be nasty!

Well she said consumers... what did she mean?

496 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #489 laZardo

I never said the lefties didn't have their fringe especially on New Orleans (which the swamp convicts bit came from?). But the first one struck me as distinctly Alex Jones, and his unflinching support of Ron Paul didn't exactly make him "left-wing."

I'm just dredging stuff up.
I believe there is plenty of bad, stupid, crazy owned at the extremes of both sides.

497 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:15:36pm

re: #487 Lucius Septimius

There was not a lot of "love thy neighbor" on the left when it came to Bush and Cheney. And the anti-Semitism -- often thinly veiled by comments about "neo-cons" -- was open.

Anti-semitism ultimately has no partisan bias, as has been proven here several times...

498 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:15:40pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

To make use of, consumption doesn't only happen with your mouth.

499 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:15:48pm

re: #484 MandyManners

I hope the consumers of prostitute here at LGF rest happy.

There's a hooker here?

500 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:16:05pm

re: #498 Dan G.

To make use of, consumption doesn't only happen with your mouth.

Oh... never mind.

501 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:16:14pm

No religion, race or sexual preference has a monopoly on stupid

502 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:16:52pm

re: #476 iceweasel

"Robert Spencer and the Extremists"

My vote for shittiest band name ever.

"Naugahyde Windpipe" - too 'grunge'
"Oedipus and the Mama's Boys" - too 'college radio'
"My Johnson is 12 Inches Long" - umm interesting but doesn't sound like a band

Oh oh oh I got it... Tonight in the Blogosphere: "Everyone Goes Insane!"

503 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:16:53pm

re: #446 solomonpanting

OY!

Indeed.

504 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:17:01pm

re: #480 Dar ul Harb

that couldn't look more fake if it had a chin-strap.

505 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:17:25pm

re: #497 laZardo

Anti-semitism ultimately has no partisan bias, as has been proven here several times...

Oooh, that reminds me.
All the bad, stupid, crazy of people on the right being shouted down and occasionally assaulted when giving speeches on college campii.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:17:25pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

Well, they would've if they could've, but these ***ing Marines kept getting in the way.

507 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:17:45pm

re: #438 Salamantis

Here's betting that Instapundit and Totten stick with you.


I just checked the blogroll at instapundit and did not see LGF listed.

508 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:18:07pm

re: #496 Van Helsing

I don't disagree with that. I just agreed with Killgore that the sheer concentration of craziness we're seeing now is worse than the craziness was in the past 8 years, especially with a lot of people that could have seemed quite rational only last year suddenly going "nirther" or "sekrit muslim" or something like that.

509 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:18:13pm

If only people got back into the habbit of letting stupid people know (in the most uncomfortable way possible) that they are, in fact, stupid; perhaps "the stupid" would lose their self esteem and the ability to air it at the top of their lungs in public forums.

510 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:18:34pm

I have the perfect rock band name:

Wild Child and the Beast Machine!

511 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:18:38pm

re: #502 ArchangelMichael

PCU

512 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:19:02pm

re: #507 rain of lead

I just checked the blogroll at instapundit and did not see LGF listed.

It's listed under Charles Johnson.

513 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:19:16pm

re: #505 Van Helsing

Depends on what college they speak at. Going to UC Berkeley? Bring kevlar.

514 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:19:30pm

re: #455 Chip Designer

I always encourage people to go check out the competition to my business.
It works.

515 rain of lead  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:19:33pm

re: #512 Salamantis

It's listed under Charles Johnson.

ah

516 J.S.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #494 The Shadow Do

I find it (here in Canada anyway) somewhat hypocritical for people (I heard this on CNN today, wringing their hands and bemoaning the "lack of civility") to suddenly exclaim about the sinking level of the discourse...I mean, really, where were these people (such as Jack Cafferty, etc.) when George Bush was President? I never heard a single considered remark about any need to "tone it down" -- they reveled in it, and seemed to enjoy the most hate-filled screeds imaginable...(I won't even bother repeating what was said/done up here with respect to the Bush administration)..but it was vile.

517 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:21:27pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

How many lefties prayed for Bush to die before showing up to a presidential event with an AR-15? The RoP didn't even do that.

I know this. The lefties that got busted with Molotov Cocktails at the GOP convention in Minnesota last summer were just trying to express their freedom of speech.

518 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:21:30pm

re: #516 J.S.

Maybe because America has a government the Canadians now generally agree with?

/but then again they have Harper? I'm confused. :x

519 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:21:35pm
520 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:21:41pm

re: #508 laZardo

I don't disagree with that. I just agreed with Killgore that the sheer concentration of craziness we're seeing now is worse than the craziness was in the past 8 years, especially with a lot of people that could have seemed quite rational only last year suddenly going "nirther" or "sekrit muslim" or something like that.

I was hoping the nirthers would realize what an embarrassment they are to rational thought processes everywhere and voluntarily commit themselves to the FEMA concentration camps.

But no, not even when one points out that if there was one shred of credible evidence Clinton and McCain would have been on it like .

521 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:21:55pm

re: #512 Salamantis

It's listed under Charles Johnson.

I don't think that will confuse those people who lack neurons and good judgement.

522 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:22:05pm

I am quite centrist on most issues. That means I cannot piss nearly as far as those who really want to contest things.

*sigh*

523 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:22:08pm

re: #516 J.S.

But Bush was an idiot.

524 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:22:27pm

re: #487 Lucius Septimius

I think the point,(i may be wrong though )is that we expected better out of those who until recently we could have considered on our side.ranting and arm waving may provide a ratings boost,but,reasoned intelligent arguements win those open to conversion

525 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:22:34pm

re: #517 Mich-again

Minnesota politics is all wtf'd up. They elected a pro wrestler and a SNL comedian to government.

/there's always that one state...

526 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:22:56pm

re: #523 esch

But Bush was an idiot.

Cough*better college grades than Kerry*cough.

527 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:23:06pm

re: #522 The Shadow Do

Yes, but can you piss for accuracy?
/

528 Chip Designer  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:23:21pm

During the Bush years, Bush was the voice of the Republican party. Now, Bush is gone. McCain managed to win the nomination, but wasn't really a true leader. (Indeed, it is hard to imagine any senator being a true leader. They all seem to be nothing more than a sound bite.)

Without true leadership, anyone who wants attention can claim to be the next leader. And the media outlets want ratings, so they will publicize the one with the most extreme views. And so we get Trafficant, or Ron Paul, or Glen Beck as the voice of the Republican Party.

The "reforms" implemented in 1972 basically killed any type of party discipline. One advantage of the "smoke filled room" was that political experts vetted candidates in order to improve their party's chances of winning. Now, it is whoever gets the most name recognition from a mostly apathetic public. We have replaced professional politicians with newscast program directors whose criteria is selling soap.

529 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:23:39pm

OT - The Onion does it again:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

530 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #529 Mad Al-Jaffee

The FINEST news.

531 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:25:19pm

re: #528 Chip Designer

During the Bush years, Bush was the voice of the Republican party. Now, Bush is gone. McCain managed to win the nomination, but wasn't really a true leader. (Indeed, it is hard to imagine any senator being a true leader. They all seem to be nothing more than a sound bite.)

Without true leadership, anyone who wants attention can claim to be the next leader. And the media outlets want ratings, so they will publicize the one with the most extreme views. And so we get Trafficant, or Ron Paul, or Glen Beck as the voice of the Republican Party.

The "reforms" implemented in 1972 basically killed any type of party discipline. One advantage of the "smoke filled room" was that political experts vetted candidates in order to improve their party's chances of winning. Now, it is whoever gets the most name recognition from a mostly apathetic public. We have replaced professional politicians with newscast program directors whose criteria is selling soap.

Traficant is (or was) a Democrat.

532 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:25:29pm

re: #523 esch

But Bush was an idiot.

Are you saying that the office of President does not deserve your respect if you perceive the person holding that office to be an idiot?

533 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:25:31pm

re: #507 rain of lead

I just checked the blogroll at instapundit and did not see LGF listed.

It's always been listed as "Charles Johnson", I believe.

534 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:25:43pm

re: #476 iceweasel

Check my #472 when you get a chance and let me know if you read that report before you went to bat earlier for the Acorn upper management and attacked me for not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

535 J.S.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:26:06pm

re: #518 laZardo

Yeah, that's a real irony...some of the most wretched and hate-filled anti-Americanism was done by the "New Democrat Party" (they're socialists)...Now, it's a wholly different story -- the New Democrats, they just love Obama. And Obama's advisers come up to Canada to give the New Democrats "pointers" on how to run successful campaigns (since the New Democrats are such a loser party)...It's hilarious (I wonder if those Obama advisers have any clue about what the NDP was saying during the Bush administration about Americans...)

536 Chip Designer  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:26:36pm

re: #531 Gus 802

The problem affects both parties. When Bush was president, there were plenty of Democratic crazies on the news shows. Now the Democratic side is Obama.

537 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:26:46pm

re: #509 Dan G.

If only people got back into the habbit of letting stupid people know (in the most uncomfortable way possible) that they are, in fact, stupid; perhaps "the stupid" would lose their self esteem and the ability to air it at the top of their lungs in public forums.

Oh... but some are stuck on stupid. Unfortunately.

538 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:26:58pm

re: #526 Van Helsing

I find it hard to believe Bush's IQ was really 125.

But when Richard Nixon's was the highest of any President's at 143, I no longer consider a president's IQ as a qualification.

[Link: archure.net...]

/the life of a genius is tormented. q:

539 Code Red 21  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:27:05pm

re: #517 Mich-again

I know this. The lefties that got busted with Molotov Cocktails at the GOP convention in Minnesota last summer were just trying to express their freedom of speech.

Weren't they also assaulting delegates walking to the event and throwing things from overpasses trying to injure people? Just a bunch of naughty kids out expressing themselves.

540 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:27:09pm

re: #525 laZardo

Minnesota politics is all wtf'd up. They elected a pro wrestler and a SNL comedian to government.

The lefty radicals who were convicted of felonies after the GOP convention were not from Minnesota.

541 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:27:28pm

re: #527 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, but can you piss for accuracy?
/

Married for thirty years, totally house broken.

542 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #537 J.D.

I know, but if they were ashamed of it, I think we might just make a difference in the signal to noise ratio.

543 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:28:26pm

re: #536 Chip Designer

The problem affects both parties. When Bush was president, there were plenty of Democratic crazies on the news shows. Now the Democratic side is Obama.

I agree on the leadership question. First words out of my mouth after listening to Michael Steele talk for 5 minutes was that he was a mistake. He had a good overall ideological perspective which could be described as a "big tent" but he just doesn't have much back bone.

544 Chip Designer  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:28:31pm

re: #540 Mich-again

The lefty radicals who were convicted of felonies after the GOP convention were not from Minnesota.

They were from Austin, Texas.

545 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:29:21pm

re: #538 laZardo

I find it hard to believe Bush's IQ was really 125.

But when Richard Nixon's was the highest of any President's at 143, I no longer consider a president's IQ as a qualification.

[Link: archure.net...]

/the life of a genius is tormented. q:

Nixon was not flawed intellectually.

546 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:29:33pm

re: #541 The Shadow Do

Married for thirty years, totally house broken.

Having your lady walk up behind you and aim it for you can do that, out of sheer embarrassment and shame...

/otoh, it can get things started...;~)

547 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:29:43pm

re: #544 Chip Designer

They were from Austin, Texas.

The Berkeley of Texas.

548 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:30:01pm

re: #543 Gus 802

I agree on the leadership question. First words out of my mouth after listening to Michael Steele talk for 5 minutes was that he was a mistake. He had a good overall ideological perspective which could be described as a "big tent" but he just doesn't have much back bone.

Is the party Chairman ever really the "leader"?

549 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #540 Mich-again

Not that what they did helped Minnesota politics though. I bet that helped Franken get elected.

550 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:30:18pm

re: #538 laZardo

president bush' biggest problem was that he was a fairly lousy speaker(w/o prepared comments.this gave the impression that he was an idiot.The man isn't stupid by any measure.(I'm sure that the air guard doesn't give fighter bombers to morons lol)

551 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:30:35pm

BTW, my mom tells me that she read somewhere that Wilson had tweeted his plan to yell out at Obama's speech in advance. Anyone know if that's real?

552 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:30:56pm

re: #548 cliffster

Is the party Chairman ever really the "leader"?

Not really. There's always a first time. I thought that a strong leader would be something the GOP needed now.

553 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:31:10pm

re: #539 Code Red 21

Weren't they also assaulting delegates walking to the event and throwing things from overpasses trying to injure people? Just a bunch of naughty kids out expressing themselves.

They sprayed bleach in the faces of delegates coming off their bus. But at least they didn't brandish a weapon.
/

554 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:31:24pm

re: #508 laZardo

I don't disagree with that. I just agreed with Killgore that the sheer concentration of craziness we're seeing now is worse than the craziness was in the past 8 years, especially with a lot of people that could have seemed quite rational only last year suddenly going "nirther" or "sekrit muslim" or something like that.

And for some perspective, Obama has only been president for 8 months.

555 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:31:28pm

re: #545 The Shadow Do

But the way his 2nd term fell apart didn't exactly mean he was not a crook.

556 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:31:32pm

re: #538 laZardo

According to some, Jimmy Carter was supposed to have a high I.Q.

557 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:31:45pm

re: #550 Boondock St. Bender

president bush' biggest problem was that he was a fairly lousy speaker(w/o prepared comments.this gave the impression that he was an idiot.The man isn't stupid by any measure.(I'm sure that the air guard doesn't give fighter bombers to morons lol)

I thought he was a great speaker. He just spoke to different folks than what you're used to.

558 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:32:06pm

re: #554 Flyers1974

Hence, sheer concentration. Maybe we could even count the months leading to the inauguration as well.

559 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:32:12pm

Fuck you, FCBBHO.

560 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #559 MandyManners

Can you, in fact, run a trout line, Mandy?

561 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:32:50pm

re: #546 Salamantis

Having your lady walk up behind you and aim it for you can do that, out of sheer embarrassment and shame...

/otoh, it can get things started...;~)

I said I have been married for thirty years. The only thing aimed at me in this stage of life is a sharp tongue!
I know my place, yes I do.

562 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:00pm

"Why the fuck would I want to live to 100? I'm 73 and shit's starting to get boring. By the way, there's no money left when I go, just fyi."

563 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #550 Boondock St. Bender

At least Bushisms were funny and he could laugh at himself for them. That's a decent trait to have.

Bidenisms just aren't the same...

564 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:29pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

"Why the fuck would I want to live to 100? I'm 73 and shit's starting to get boring. By the way, there's no money left when I go, just fyi."

You're 73?

565 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:29pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

Who said that?

566 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:30pm

re: #526 Van Helsing

re: #532 Mich-again

Hmmm, guess I should have included the sarc tag after all.

567 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:51pm

re: #472 Spare O'Lake

[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
I just came across this link to a House Oversight Committee staff report on Acorn dated July 23, 2009.
From a reading of the executive summary and pp.7-8 of the report, and assuming the document is even half legit, I would say that anyone who seriously maintains that Acorn executives deserve a pass on allegations that they were complicit in voter registration fraud and other serious wrongdoing, is being perhaps just a tad generous.

Could anyone here who is familiar with House staff reports please tell me if this report would normally deserve to be presumed to be generally accurate?

568 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:33:51pm

re: #90 Charles

There are lots more comments at the stalker site that threaten Obama, by the way -- or that express wishes he would die by some unnamed agent. I only posted the most recent one. It's not hard at all to find threats of violence there, against anyone who they think is an enemy.

That I know. Ben_Zacharia over there called me a "Dead Man Walking" over a bad joke I made when his daughter was trolling here. He thinks that I threatened her, though I did not intend any such thing.

569 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:34:01pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

"Why the fuck would I want to live to 100? I'm 73 and shit's starting to get boring. By the way, there's no money left when I go, just fyi."

Gotta love @shitmydadsays

570 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:34:15pm

re: #472 Spare O'Lake

[Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]
I just came across this link to a House Oversight Committee staff report on Acorn dated July 23, 2009.
From a reading of the executive summary and pp.7-8 of the report, and assuming the document is even half legit, I would say that anyone who seriously maintains that Acorn executives deserve a pass on allegations that they were complicit in voter registration fraud and other serious wrongdoing, is being perhaps just a tad generous.

This part from pg. 13 is interesting:

ACORN’s walls are artificial. It fails to maintain the necessary legal formalities required for many of its affiliated and subsidiary entities. ACORN’s opacity has allowed it to avoid responsibility, which is why during a debate Senator Barbara Mikulski (D- MD) stated, “ACORN has never, to my knowledge, been convicted of a Federal crime.” Yet Senator Mikulski ignores how ACORN’s opacity makes the organization too byzantine to be legally controlled. Many ACORN affiliates lack real boards or executive
directors, making the legal channel of holding individuals or organizations liable practically un-navigable. Sadly, when ACORN’s leaders commit bad acts, the individuals who get caught tend to be low or moderate income workers – the types of individuals ACORN was founded to protect.

571 J.D.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:34:23pm

re: #550 Boondock St. Bender

president bush' biggest problem was that he was a fairly lousy speaker(w/o prepared comments.this gave the impression that he was an idiot.The man isn't stupid by any measure.(I'm sure that the air guard doesn't give fighter bombers to morons lol)

If you saw him in person, he was quite engaging.
Really.

572 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:34:33pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

Oops, I just noticed the quotes.

Duh-e-me.

//

573 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:34:35pm

re: #555 laZardo

But the way his 2nd term fell apart didn't exactly mean he was not a crook.

He fucked up, sad really. He brought a lot to the table.

574 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:35:53pm

re: #564 Gus 802

No.

re: #565 Dan G.

Justin's dad.

575 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:36:13pm

re: #557 cliffster

when giving a speach,he was fine he seemed to lack the ability to outline his point/vision in an off the cuff enviroment.(althoough given the treatment he recieved from the media it's not surprising,they used every oppertunity to make him look foolish)in contrast,ronald reagan was fantastic at working and playing a hostile media.

576 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:36:13pm

re: #569 cliffster

Gotta love @shitmydadsays

"The worst thing you can be is a liar...Okay fine, yes, the worst thing you can be is a Nazi, but THEN, number two is liar. Nazi 1, Liar 2"

Advice for life.

577 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:37:38pm

re: #563 laZardo

True.(and the man sports a mean hair plug lol

578 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38:06pm

re: #574 Slumbering Behemoth

Good stuff!

579 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #577 Boondock St. Bender

True.(and the man sports a mean hair plug lol

Did he get them at Hair Plugs For Men?

580 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38:41pm

re: #576 laZardo

"The worst thing you can be is a liar...Okay fine, yes, the worst thing you can be is a Nazi, but THEN, number two is liar. Nazi 1, Liar 2"

Advice for life.

Too bad Justin's Dad never told robert spencer this advice.

581 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38:44pm

re: #576 laZardo

"Here's a strawberry, sorry for farting near you...Hey! Either take the strawberry and stop bitching, or no strawberry, that's the deal."

Ha!

582 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:12pm

re: #524 Boondock St. Bender

I think the point,(i may be wrong though )is that we expected better out of those who until recently we could have considered on our side.ranting and arm waving may provide a ratings boost,but,reasoned intelligent arguements win those open to conversion

We should have expected better. On that there is no doubt. At the same time, it's hard to argue with what works. Inflated rhetoric and mob action allowed a very small sliver of the radical left to gain power far beyond their meager numbers. Their ability to get air time, to silence opposition, to get otherwise "centrist" political candidates to dance to their tune, to control schools, to have access to every possible media venue (with the possible exception of short wave) to promote their views -- there are many on the right who saw this and said to themselves "so this is how it's done."

Moreover, just as happened when the left had a collective (slight stab at political humor) aneurysm over the election of McChimpy Hitlerburton and the subsequent "war against oppressed people in the third world that don't look like us", fringe groups that had been half asleep for the previous thirty years took full advantage of the situation. In a similar way, wacko groups on the far right have been waiting for their opportunity, and the current political climate has offered an opportunity for them to come into the clear. And just like the insane clown posse we saw in Zombie's periodic reports, the nut cases on the far right took for their own arguably legitimate political concerns, but then larded them with their own aims and goals.

In both cases, the ultimate goals was to create disillusion with the existing political structure. The real enemy of the far left, as we often say, were the more reasonable members of the Democrat party. Likewise, the far right has its sights set on any conservatives who don't toe their line.

One difference that, at least to my mind, seems significat. I doubt we'll see Joe Wilson or any of his supporters inflating their scrotum in protest.

583 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:24pm

re: #538 laZardo

I find it hard to believe Bush's IQ was really 125.

But when Richard Nixon's was the highest of any President's at 143, I no longer consider a president's IQ as a qualification.

[Link: archure.net...]

/the life of a genius is tormented. q:

Awww, come on laZardo, they don't drop morons into F4 cockpits.
That said, IQ is a good indicator of potential, but not a guarantee.

584 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:33pm

Psst... open registration.

585 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:36pm

re: #550 Boondock St. Bender

president bush' biggest problem was that he was a fairly lousy speaker(w/o prepared comments.this gave the impression that he was an idiot.The man isn't stupid by any measure.(I'm sure that the air guard doesn't give fighter bombers to morons lol)

I agree he wasn't stupid and that his speech gave that illusion. This, combined with his being the son of a recent president, added to the theme that he was a puppet. Maybe not literally in most of the left's minds, but in the sense that he just ambled along, became president by virtue of family connections and was led by the nose by stronger personalities.

586 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #574 Slumbering Behemoth

No.

re: #565 Dan G.

Justin's dad.

My favorite is still the one about how a Nazi is the worst thing you can be, then liar.

587 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #538 laZardo

I find it hard to believe Bush's IQ was really 125.

But when Richard Nixon's was the highest of any President's at 143, I no longer consider a president's IQ as a qualification.

[Link: archure.net...]

/the life of a genius is tormented. q:

Hey! Don't kick around Dick Nixon!

588 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:40:33pm

re: #587 Lucius Septimius

Hey! Don't kick around Dick Nixon!

In bed?

/ewww.

589 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:40:42pm

re: #571 J.D.

I'm sorry,I was speaking of the perception that was given of him.

590 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #578 Dan G.

The only twitter site worth following, IMO. I wonder if his hits have spiked at all since being linked here at LGF?

591 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:41:49pm

re: #575 Boondock St. Bender

when giving a speach,he was fine he seemed to lack the ability to outline his point/vision in an off the cuff enviroment.(althoough given the treatment he recieved from the media it's not surprising,they used every oppertunity to make him look foolish)in contrast,ronald reagan was fantastic at working and playing a hostile media.

They new they were toast as soon as he tossed out that age joke - promising he wouldn't hold their youth and inexperience against them.

Genius.

592 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:41:52pm

re: #583 Van Helsing

True dat.

It's also a fatal wellspring of hubris if high enough, it seems.

593 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:42:22pm

re: #590 Slumbering Behemoth

The only twitter site worth following, IMO. I wonder if his hits have spiked at all since being linked here at LGF?

Did you see who his only follower is?

Levar Burton

594 esch  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:42:37pm

re: #583 Van Helsing

...IQ is a good indicator of potential, but not a guarantee.

IQ != wisdom.

595 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:42:47pm

re: #584 Dar ul Harb

Psst... open registration.

No, it isn't. The new system doesn't say 'closed', but registration is still not open.

596 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:43:25pm

re: #582 Lucius Septimius

dear god i hope not! exellent post.

597 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:43:30pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't. The new system doesn't say 'closed', but registration is still not open.

Sort of like troll paper?

598 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:43:38pm

re: #593 Gus 802

Did you see who his only follower is?

Levar Burton

No- that's the only one he's following. He has thousands following him.

599 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:43:46pm

re: #593 Gus 802

Did you see who his only follower is?

Levar Burton

"Leak? I'm not detecting any leak."

600 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #534 Spare O'Lake
To Iceweasel:

Check my #472 when you get a chance and let me know if you read that report before you went to bat earlier for the Acorn upper management and attacked me for not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

*crickets*

601 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:44:15pm

re: #598 Sharmuta

No- that's the only one he's following. He has thousands following him.

Oh, you're right.

Well, there I go again.

//

602 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:44:22pm

re: #597 Lucius Septimius

Sort of like troll paper?

Not really. But I like the joke. :)

603 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:44:27pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't. The new system doesn't say 'closed', but registration is still not open.

Oh.

604 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:44:41pm

re: #601 Gus 802

Oh, you're right.

Nasty habit of mine. Sorry.

605 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:44:49pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

Dude! Shut up! Dar is just trying to frustrate potential trolls.
//

606 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:45:09pm

re: #585 Flyers1974

yes great point.I remember ealy in his presidency there were those who felt vp cheney was the one really calling the shots.

607 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:45:34pm

Uh oh, someone answered one of my serious posts... must respond...

608 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:45:58pm

re: #605 Slumbering Behemoth

It would be a good way to coral some game for future hunting.

609 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:46:01pm

re: #606 Boondock St. Bender

yes great point.I remember ealy in his presidency there were those who felt vp cheney was the one really calling the shots.

I thought it was Wolfowitz and all the eeevil minions of Leo Strauss who were calling that shots.

610 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:46:27pm

re: #607 Gus 802

Uh oh, someone answered one of my serious posts... must respond...

I hate when that happens.

611 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:46:31pm

Is it ok to comment about the game now?

612 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:46:48pm

re: #591 Van Helsing

we could really use his like again.

613 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:47:34pm

re: #611 TheMatrix31

Is it ok to comment about the game now?

NO! :)

614 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:47:54pm

re: #611 TheMatrix31

Is it ok to comment about the game now?

That it was interesting to watch GT clean up the puddle the left when they wet themselves in the third quarter?

615 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't. The new system doesn't say 'closed', but registration is still not open.

Well, when did that change? *sigh* I long ago stopped reading LGF because Charles's political inclinations and interests now diverge widely from my own...

/

616 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:48:24pm

re: #607 Gus 802

Uh oh, someone answered one of my serious posts... must respond...

My you are quick, or am I being presumptuous?

617 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:48:38pm

re: #610 Lucius Septimius

I hate when that happens.

Yeah, especially when I'm already finished with being serious for the day or if the topic is long forgotten.

618 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:49:24pm

re: #611 TheMatrix31

Aww, hell. I just lost.

619 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:49:25pm

re: #614 Lucius Septimius

Professional football!

620 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:49:28pm

re: #616 Naso Tang

My you are quick, or am I being presumptuous?

Nah. I just did a quick response. Basically saying that it was just the way I observed it to work and not an endorsement.

621 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:50:05pm

re: #609 Lucius Septimius

Ahh the dark cabal had many and various forms.(i kinda picture them in dark robes,hiding their true aspect...salting their margeurita glasses with the tears of orphans...

622 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:50:50pm

re: #570 jaunte

There's some pretty damning info in that document, if true.

Hell, ACORN is even worse than I thought.

623 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:51:01pm

Any more supporters of that lying windbag Spencer still out an about? Or are you all holding an "anti-jihad" circle-jerk?

624 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:53:06pm

brb lunch :B

625 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:54:05pm

re: #622 Van Helsing

I have a felling,if a real investigation of that organisation is done,those will be the least of the shenanigans going on.

626 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:55:05pm

re: #611 TheMatrix31

Is it ok to comment about the game now?

From what I hear it was a good one. Went to OT and ended with the Steelers winning 13-10. Both teams have superb defenses and defense dominated the game.

627 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:55:22pm

re: #625 Boondock St. Bender

I have a felling,if a real investigation of that organisation is done,those will be the least of the shenanigans going on.

I have a feeling there will not be a real investigation of that organization

628 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:55:26pm

Is kilgore still around?hey buddy,built my first guitar!

629 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:56:35pm

re: #627 cliffster

That would prove to be somewhat of a political liability at the moment.

630 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:56:54pm

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

From what I hear it was a good one. Went to OT and ended with the Steelers winning 13-10. Both teams have superb defenses and defense dominated the game.

They asked Ben afterwards, "What statement does this make from the defending world champions?" He said, "Absolutely nothing. We gotta get ready for next week". I don't care one way or the other about the Steelers, but that's good to hear.

631 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:57:23pm

re: #547 ArchangelMichael

The Berkeley of Texas.

Hey! I resemble that remark! Considering that most of the rest of the State is inhabited by gaspers, creationists, radical right reactionaries, and Paulians, I'm pretty comfy here. It's not Berkeley. Sanity exists.

632 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:57:31pm

re: #623 Dan G.

Any more supporters of that lying windbag Spencer still out an about? Or are you all holding an "anti-jihad" circle-jerk?

Every time I see the phrase "circle-jerk", I think of that old punk band The Circle Jerks, and say to myself "I'm gonna type that into youtube and find a music video to link".

Then I say to myself "No! No I won't, remember that "goatse" thing? You just don't go typing stuff like that into a search engine. It's not worth it".

633 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:57:58pm

OT
[Link: yerushalimey.blogspot.com...]

way cool art work.

JERUSALEM was the Jewish capital when Washington, d.c., London, & Paris were swamps.

634 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:58:06pm

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

damn...picked the steelers -6.5 in the pool...ah well most of the competition did as well.

635 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:58:09pm

Register?

*click*

(alert box): Ha, Ha, Made You Look!

636 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:59:36pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Hey! I resemble that remark! Considering that most of the rest of the State is inhabited by gaspers, creationists, radical right reactionaries, and Paulians, I'm pretty comfy here. It's not Berkeley. Sanity exists.

Agreed. The HK-91 austin owns is proof enough of that. Those are illegal in Cali, but even the liberals own semi-auto battle rifles in Texas.

637 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:00:00pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Hey! I resemble that remark! Considering that most of the rest of the State is inhabited by gaspers, creationists, radical right reactionaries, and Paulians, I'm pretty comfy here. It's not Berkeley. Sanity exists.

There are lots and lots of highways that will take you right out of Texas. They are big enough for whatever size truck you need to take all your sh*t with you. Anybody wants to talk shit about Texas, well there's 49 other states and we won't miss you.

638 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:01:56pm

Good night folks.
And remember, acorns are for rodents.

639 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:03:18pm

Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

640 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:03:20pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

yes from tiny acorns a mighty tree of corruption will grow...oh ,i mean mighty oaks...something like that...

641 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:05:07pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

Good night folks.
And remember, acorns are for rodents.

Rats are rodents...
Rat bastards...

642 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:05:08pm

re: #637 cliffster

There are lots and lots of highways that will take you right out of Texas. They are big enough for whatever size truck you need to take all your sh*t with you. Anybody wants to talk shit about Texas, well there's 49 other states and we won't miss you.

Hey, DF, you want to help me dump on this guy? Obviously, he is either a gasper, a creationist, a radical right reactionary, or a Paulian. Really, Cliffster, you need to take the wattage down and have a discussion rather than a blitzkrieg without sufficient backstory to launch the war.

A downding for you for ignorance!

643 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:05:58pm

re: #632 Slumbering Behemoth

You could try quotation marks. ;)

644 Dan G.  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:06:45pm

Nite all, mucus sucks (just getting it out there).

645 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #642 austin_blue

Hey, DF, you want to help me dump on this guy? Obviously, he is either a gasper, a creationist, a radical right reactionary, or a Paulian. Really, Cliffster, you need to take the wattage down and have a discussion rather than a blitzkrieg without sufficient backstory to launch the war.

A downding for you for ignorance!

Obviously, eh? You don't like Texas, get the hell out. Nothing personal.

646 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:07:29pm

re: #643 Dan G.

ooofff you still probably won't like what you find...google the true masters of shock and awe!

647 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:08:04pm

Must-resist-temptation-to-make-jokes-about-a-certain-state.

//

648 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:08:55pm

re: #647 Gus 802

Must-resist-temptation-to-make-jokes-about-a-certa in-state.

//

i must resit temptation to make jokes about liberals/zerobots

649 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:09:44pm
650 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:09:45pm

re: #648 yochanan

i must resit temptation to make jokes about liberals/zerobots

Go for it!

651 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:10:45pm

re: #645 cliffster

Obviously, eh? You don't like Texas, get the hell out. Nothing personal.

Austin_blue actually likes Texas quite a bit. What I think he hates is the anti-intellectualism of the creationists and the religious right's tendancy towards puritanism.

652 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:13:01pm

re: #650 Gus 802

first I have to find my can of 'moonbaticide' we seem to have a infestion

653 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:13:18pm

re: #649 Racer X

The Emperor Gets a Job

LOL!

654 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:13:35pm

re: #645 cliffster

Obviously, eh? You don't like Texas, get the hell out. Nothing personal.

Click the nic, please. Your military service was when? I love Austin, my town. The rest of Texas? Much of its politics and public policy is a joke. It's not surprising that Ron Paul and Alex Jones have their roots here.

Do you like Ron Paul and Alex Jones?

655 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:14:16pm

re: #652 yochanan

first I have to find my can of 'moonbaticide' we seem to have a infestion

That's not a joke. It has to be something like...

Two liberals walk into a biker bar...

/

656 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:15:36pm
657 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:17:51pm

re: #654 austin_blue

Click the nic, please. Your military service was when? I love Austin, my town. The rest of Texas? Much of its politics and public policy is a joke. It's not surprising that Ron Paul and Alex Jones have their roots here.

Do you like Ron Paul and Alex Jones?

We weren't talking about Ron Paul nor Alex Jones, nor military service. We were talking about you talking shit about Texa(n)s.

658 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:18:50pm

These so-called speed bumps are a joke. If anything, they slow you down.

659 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:05pm

re: #658 Racer X

These so-called speed bumps are a joke. If anything, they slow you down.

You ever wonder why they call it health care? I mean, shouldn't they call it sick care? After all, you don't need any care if your healthy.

660 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:07pm

re: #649 Racer X

The Emperor Gets a Job

I can't stop laughing!!!

661 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:30pm

"Alexander" has 9 letters.

Why is that significant? Because the kid is all 9s.

662 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:32pm

re: #655 Gus 802

That's not a joke. It has to be something like...

Two liberals walk into a biker bar...

/

and come out in pieces.

/kidding

663 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:34pm
664 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:42pm

oops

665 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:20:51pm

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

Austin_blue actually likes Texas quite a bit. What I think he hates is the anti-intellectualism of the creationists and the religious right's tendancy towards puritanism.

Berkeley wannabe most likely. Probably having trouble establishing his bona fides. They won't have him. Whatever, shoot for the stars Blue.

/anti-intellectual Texan, fraught with creationsism and puritanism of course.

666 jaunte  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:21:28pm

re: #657 cliffster

I'm in the same state, but I don't put myself in the "gaspers, creationists, radical right reactionaries, and Paulians" group. So there's not much to get upset about in that comment, which has some truth to it.
(I don't know what gaspers are, but I have a suspicion).

667 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:21:34pm

At Sunday church, the local Vicar explains that he must move on to a larger congregation that will pay him more. There is a hush within the congregation. No one wants him to leave because he is so popular.

Fred Smith, who owns several car dealerships in Southland and Otago, stands up and proclaims: 'If the Vicar stays, I will provide him with a new Holden every year and his wife with a Honda mini-van to transport their children!'

The congregation sighs in appreciation and applauds.

Sam Brown, a successful entrepreneur and publican, stands and says, If the Vicar will stay on here, I'll personally double his salary and establish a foundation to guarantee private secondary school education of his children!'

More sighs and loud applause.

Agnes Jones, age 88, stands and announces with a smile, 'If the Vicar stays, I will give him sex.' There is total silence.

The Preacher, blushing, asks her: Mrs. Jones, you're a wonderful and holy lady, whatever possessed you to say that?'

Agnes's 90-year old husband, Joe, is now trying to hide, holding his forehead with the palm of his hand and shaking his head from side to side, while his wife replies:

'Well, I just asked my husband how we could help, and he said, 'Screw him'.

668 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:22:05pm

re: #663 Sharmuta

Awww cute lil guy

669 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:22:30pm

Guess I'm just a troublemaker.

670 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:22:34pm

re: #666 jaunte

I'm in the same state, but I don't put myself in the "gaspers, creationists, radical right reactionaries, and Paulians" group. So there's not much to get upset about in that comment, which has some truth to it.
(I don't know what gaspers are, but I have a suspicion).

I'm not upset, I just like to tell people to get the hell out of Texas when they start talking smack.

671 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:23:27pm
672 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:24:37pm

re: #671 yochanan

the liberal snobery is getting old. this place has changed

Geepers, what an original thought.

673 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:24:56pm

re: #662 Dark_Falcon

the only way two liberals would go into a biker bar would be by accident.

674 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:25:32pm

re: #657 cliffster

We weren't talking about Ron Paul nor Alex Jones, nor military service. We were talking about you talking shit about Texa(n)s.

Ah! And the inaccurate part is where? The Paulians? The Alex Jones cult? The Republic of Texas whacks? The Creationists? The fact that this this State looks to Mississippi, and thanks God that it exists, because they have lower rates on spending on public education, have higher pregnancy rates, and lower high school graduation rates?

Well, God Bless Texas!

675 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:26:01pm

White House Vows To Try Tort Reform...In Your life Time In A State Nowhere Where Anyone Lives

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Believe me. After the government takes over your medical care, there will be no malpractice suits. Of course the medical care won't be so hot either. But that won't matter. You will be grateful for the appointment to counsel your death as soon as you reach Social Security age.

676 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:26:03pm

re: #671 yochanan

the liberal snobery is getting old. this place has changed

Not signed on with the lib part, but yes the snobery of some is getting old.

677 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:26:24pm

Crap- my computer speakers died. :(

678 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:26:48pm

Acorns are for communist squirrels from North Korea.

No, seriously.

679 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:27:05pm

re: #677 Sharmuta

Re-boot dear, it will be ok.

680 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:27:40pm

The fact that this this State looks to Mississippi, and thanks God that it exists, because they have lower rates on spending on public education, have higher pregnancy rates, and lower high school graduation rates?

telling the truth there blue. that is exactly what the 'uber liberal university chatting class thinks' I did not know they delivered the new york times to austin.

681 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:27:53pm

re: #673 yochanan

If bikers are supposed to rugged individualists,rebels.and follow their own path,...why do they all dress exactly alike?...(ducks for cover>>>)

682 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:28:37pm

re: #674 austin_blue

Well, God Bless Texas!

Agreed, it's a wonderful place.

683 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:28:57pm

re: #674 austin_blue

Ah! And the inaccurate part is where? The Paulians? The Alex Jones cult? The Republic of Texas whacks? The Creationists? The fact that this this State looks to Mississippi, and thanks God that it exists, because they have lower rates on spending on public education, have higher pregnancy rates, and lower high school graduation rates?

Well, God Bless Texas!

Come on, you can do better than that! Tell me more about Texas!

684 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:00pm

There was this small church down in Texas that had a very big-busted organist. Her breasts were so huge that they bounced and jiggled while she played the organ.

Unfortunately, she distracted the congregation considerably.
The very proper church ladies were appalled. They said something had to be done about this or they would have to get another organist.

So, one of the ladies approached her very discreetly and told her to mash up some green persimmons and rub them on the nipples of her breasts and maybe they would shrink in size, but warned her to not eat any of the green Persimmons, though, 'because they are so sour they will make your mouth pucker up and you won't be able to talk properly for a while'.

She agreed to try it.

The following Sunday morning the minister got up in the pulpit and said...
'Dew to thircumsthanthis bewond my contwol, we will not hath a thermon tewday.'

685 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:03pm

re: #681 Boondock St. Bender

And only prefer Harley-Davidsons?

/braces

686 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:08pm

re: #675 pat

White House Vows To Try Tort Reform...In Your life Time In A State Nowhere Where Anyone Lives

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Believe me. After the government takes over your medical care, there will be no malpractice suits. Of course the medical care won't be so hot either. But that won't matter. You will be grateful for the appointment to counsel your death as soon as you reach Social Security age.

Well, hell. for something that just came up last night they have more details on that than the president had on the whole reform thingie that has been discussed for months.

687 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:13pm

re: #681 Boondock St. Bender

i guess so they aren't confused by the wussies reading the new york times>

688 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:20pm

re: #679 Bagua

I hope so. I'm going to try...

689 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:42pm

re: #674 austin_blue

Ah! And the inaccurate part is where? The Paulians? The Alex Jones cult? The Republic of Texas whacks? The Creationists? The fact that this this State looks to Mississippi, and thanks God that it exists, because they have lower rates on spending on public education, have higher pregnancy rates, and lower high school graduation rates?

Well, God Bless Texas!

Bite me, you prick. Anyways, are you going to ACL Fest?

690 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:29:54pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

Let us know if it does the trick

691 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:30:03pm

re: #665 The Shadow Do

Berkeley wannabe most likely. Probably having trouble establishing his bona fides. They won't have him. Whatever, shoot for the stars Blue.

/anti-intellectual Texan, fraught with creationsism and puritanism of course.

Click the nic, please. Tough to establish bona fides on a board like this without the support of fellow Lizards. I am pretty transparent on my positions. I like to think I have the respect of the majority on this board, even if they disagree.

692 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:30:25pm

Hey Night Lizards!

Just perused Michael Yon's newest Photo Essay. I can't get over the troops. I know the reasons why one volunteers for such duty --intellectually. I just can't imagine doing(surviving it) it myself. Thank G-d we have so many that do.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

693 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:30:37pm
694 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:30:42pm

I met a 14 year old girl on the internet. She was clever,
funny, flirty and sexy, so I suggested we meet up.
She turned out to be an undercover detective.
How cool is that at her age?!

695 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:32:03pm

re: #686 Van Helsing

the donks will never do tort reform i mean were else would john edwards get the money for child support.

696 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:32:44pm

re: #692 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

Just perused Michael Yon's newest Photo Essay. I can't get over the troops. I know the reasons why one volunteers for such duty --intellectually. I just can't imagine doing(surviving it) it myself. Thank G-d we have so many that do.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Makes one wonder what we do to deserve the likes of them doing that job for us.

G-d bless them all.

697 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:32:49pm

re: #692 ggt

some jokes(racer X)some humor,and the makings of a good old fashioned texas shoot-out!

698 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:33:07pm

A kindergarten class had a homework assignment to find out something exciting and relate it to the class the next day.

When the time came to present what they'd found, the first little boy the teacher called on walked up to the front of the class, and with a piece of chalk, made a small white dot on the blackboard and sat back down.

Puzzled, the teacher asked him what it was.

'It's a period,' he replied.

'I can see that,' said the teacher, 'but what is so exciting about a period?'

'Darned if I know,' he said, 'but this morning my sister was missing one, my mom fainted, my dad had a heart attack, and the boy next door joined the Air Force.'

699 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:33:22pm

Sharmuta! I just posted a companion video to your Thomas Sowell links. Bill Whittle on Thomas Sowell

700 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:33:38pm

re: #695 yochanan

Of course. it is total BS. Like an ACORN census or an Obama appointee.

701 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #680 yochanan

The fact that this this State looks to Mississippi, and thanks God that it exists, because they have lower rates on spending on public education, have higher pregnancy rates, and lower high school graduation rates?

telling the truth there blue. that is exactly what the 'uber liberal university chatting class thinks' I did not know they delivered the new york times to austin.

Well, yeah, it comes in a blue plastic sleeve, and their coverage of Texas is rather limited. We have to live it. State services are a joke. I am paying over $600/month on a 1,600 sq ft house in property taxes.

702 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:20pm

re: #696 Van Helsing

Makes one wonder what we do to deserve the likes of them doing that job for us.

G-d bless them all.

No sh!t Sherlock! I thank every soldier I see. They usually respond with "My Pleasure, Ma'am."

I'm left speechless everytime!

703 pat  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:41pm

Who is that rascal encouraging Racer X?

704 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #697 Boondock St. Bender

some jokes(racer X)some humor,and the makings of a good old fashioned texas shoot-out!

Better get out of the way. Them Texans libel to be armed and we might just get ourselves stuck in the middle of shootout. Think I'll go to Starbucks and get myself a latte and read the New York Times.

//

705 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:49pm

re: #701 austin_blue

Well, yeah, it comes in a blue plastic sleeve, and their coverage of Texas is rather limited. We have to live it. State services are a joke. I am paying over $600/month on a 1,600 sq ft house in property taxes.

How much is your state income tax?

706 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:34:56pm

re: #698 Racer X

that was funny

.

707 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:07pm

A Woman was out golfing one day when she hit the ball into the woods.

She went into the woods to look for it and found a frog in a trap.

The frog said to her, 'If you release me from this trap, I will grant you three wishes.'

The woman freed the frog, and the frog said, 'Thank you, but I failed to
mention that there was a condition to your wishes.

Whatever you wish for, your husband will get times ten!'

The woman said, 'That's okay.'

For her first wish, she wanted to be the most beautiful woman in the world.

The frog warned her, 'You do realize that this wish will also make your husband the most handsome man
in the world, an Adonis whom women will flock to'.

The woman replied, 'That's okay, because I will be the most beautiful Woman and he will have eyes only for me.'

So, KAZAM-she's the most beautiful Woman in the world!

For her second wish, she wanted to be the richest woman in the world.

The frog said, 'That will make your husband the richest man in the world. And he will be ten times richer than you.'

The woman said, 'That's okay, because what's mine is his and what's his is mine.'

So, KAZAM-she's the richest woman in the world!

The frog then inquired about her third wish, and she answered, 'I'd like a mild heart attack.'

Moral of the story: Women are clever. Don't mess with them.

708 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:11pm

re: #690 Bagua

Let us know if it does the trick

It worked! You get a big gold star and title of my hero of the day.

709 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:23pm

re: #701 austin_blue

ouch those almost sound like jersey rates...

710 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:24pm

re: #697 Boondock St. Bender

some jokes(racer X)some humor,and the makings of a good old fashioned texas shoot-out!

No shooting, just the bare-knuckles, the fist, the mud, the blood, the booze, and the beer.

711 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:35:34pm

re: #692 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

Just perused Michael Yon's newest Photo Essay. I can't get over the troops. I know the reasons why one volunteers for such duty --intellectually. I just can't imagine doing(surviving it) it myself. Thank G-d we have so many that do.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

We're fighting about the nature of Texas. Austin_blue is going at it with cliffster and The Shadow Do.

712 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:36:08pm

re: #689 cliffster

Bite me, you prick. Anyways, are you going to ACL Fest?

I can sit in my back yard and hear it loud and clear. And why would I want to engage you in homosexual contact? I don't even know you. Not that it would matter...

713 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:36:20pm

re: #699 ggt

Sharmuta! I just posted a companion video to your Thomas Sowell links. Bill Whittle on Thomas Sowell

Cool- will watch shortly. Missed your comment last night about the book thread. Sorry about that.

714 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:36:25pm

re: #708 Sharmuta

It worked! You get a big gold star and title of my hero of the day.

We exist to serve!

715 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:36:34pm

re: #691 austin_blue

Click the nic, please. Tough to establish bona fides on a board like this without the support of fellow Lizards. I am pretty transparent on my positions. I like to think I have the respect of the majority on this board, even if they disagree.

Yes, transparent is a very good thing. I will certainly give you that.

So, what's the word on your application to UCLA?

716 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:36:54pm

re: #705 Bagua

How much is your state income tax?

Nada, but the sales tax is 8.25%

717 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:00pm

re: #711 Dark_Falcon

We're fighting about the nature of Texas. Austin_blue is going at it with cliffster and The Shadow Do.

The Nature of The Great State Country of Texas?

718 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:03pm

One summer evening during a violent thunderstorm a mother was tucking her son into bed. She was about to turn off the light when he asked with a tremor in his voice, 'Mummy, will you sleep with me tonight?'

The mother smiled and gave him a reassuring hug.
'I can't dear,' she said. 'I have to sleep in Daddy's room.'
A long silence was broken at last by his shaky little voice:
'The big sissy.'

719 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:37:41pm

re: #712 austin_blue

I can sit in my back yard and hear it loud and clear. And why would I want to engage you in homosexual contact? I don't even know you. Not that it would matter...

Let's try to cut back on the hostility. I'm not going after Austin or anyone else, but things are getting a bit nasty and personal.

720 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:38:36pm

re: #717 ggt

The Nature of The Great State Country Republic of Texas?


I fixted it.

721 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #716 austin_blue

Nada, but the sales tax is 8.25%

Count yourself lucky. In Illinois we do have a state income tax and where I live the sales tax is 10%.

722 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:39:32pm

re: #715 The Shadow Do

Yes, transparent is a very good thing. I will certainly give you that.

So, what's the word on your application to UCLA?

Zhing! Over my head.

723 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:39:34pm

A little boy was doing his math homework.

He said to himself, 'Two plus five, that son of a bitch is seven. Three plus six, that son of a bitch is nine...'

His mother heard what he was saying and gasped, 'What are you doing?' The little boy answered, 'I'm doing my math homework, Mum.'

'And this is how your teacher taught you to do it?' the mother asked 'Yes,' he answered.

Infuriated, the mother asked the teacher the next day, 'What are you teaching my son in math?' The teacher replied, 'Right now, we are learning addition.' The mother asked, 'And are you teaching them to say two plus two, that son of a bitch is four?'

After the teacher stopped laughing, she answered, 'What I taught them was, two plus two, THE SUM OF WHICH, is four.'

724 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:39:44pm

re: #717 ggt

The Nature of The Great State Country of Texas?

By the way, excellent Afterburner.

725 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:39:50pm

re: #710 cliffster

damn i gotta visit texas...(frankly everyone i have met from texas has been nothing but a pleasure.)

726 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:00pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon
LA County is 9.75%. SUCKS!

727 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:07pm

re: #716 austin_blue

Nada, but the sales tax is 8.25%

So quit your whingeing.

728 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:18pm

re: #712 austin_blue

I can sit in my back yard and hear it loud and clear. And why would I want to engage you in homosexual contact? I don't even know you. Not that it would matter...

Oh c'mon now, cut that shit out. You live in a nice spot then. I'll fart in your general direction next time I'm out running around town lake ;)

729 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:34pm

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

Let's try to cut back on the hostility. I'm not going after Austin or anyone else, but things are getting a bit nasty and personal.

Thanks, DF.

730 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:39pm

re: #716 austin_blue

well chicagostan sales tax 10.5, and we have a state income tax, and your property tax is low too.
and for that i get bubkas

731 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:40:55pm

A little girl goes to the barber shop with her father.
She stands next to the barber chair, while her dad gets his hair cut, eating a snack cake The barber says to her,
'Sweetheart, you're gonna get hair on your muffin.'
She says, 'Yes, I know, and I'm gonna get boobs too.'

732 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:13pm

re: #720 Van Helsing

I fixted it.

The Nature of The Great State Country Republic of Texas República de Tejas?

Fixted it twice!

/

733 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #713 Sharmuta

Cool- will watch shortly. Missed your comment last night about the book thread. Sorry about that.

No prob, I was so tired and frustrated last night I couldn't have conversed coherently.

I'm re-reading, Leonard Piekoff's the Ominous Parallels. I think it will give me more to discuss in relation to Thomas Sowell. But like most of the books I read (as oppossed to listen to) it will be awhile before I finish. It is along the difficulty level of Sowell. Piekoff goes into good detail about the history of philosophical thought, Aristotle vs. Plato and pulls references to Nazi speeches and writings into it. Chilling really.

734 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #724 Van Helsing

By the way, excellent Afterburner.

The Age of Reason, the Reign of Terror...

735 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:40pm

Texans have some very bizarre tastes in "entertainment."

736 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:52pm

re: #730 yochanan


and for that i get bubkas

Stop bragging about your bubkas, we don't git them around here, not even in the frozen section.

737 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:41:58pm

re: #701 austin_blue

Well, yeah, it comes in a blue plastic sleeve, and their coverage of Texas is rather limited. We have to live it. State services are a joke. I am paying over $600/month on a 1,600 sq ft house in property taxes.

That is pretty outrageous, but not a State issue. Take it up with your local politicos would be my advise. You know, those Dems you have voted into power there.

738 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:42:00pm

re: #720 Van Helsing

I fixted it.

I knew it wasn't quite rhaught.

739 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:42:27pm

My wife and I went to the Royal Show and one of the first exhibits we stopped at was the breeding bulls. We went up to the first pen and there was a sign attached that said, 'THIS BULL MATED 50 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife playfully nudged me in the ribs ...Smiled and said, 'He mated 50 times last year.'

We walked to the second pen which had a sign attached that said, ''THIS BULL MATED 150 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife gave me a healthy jab and said, 'WOW~~That's more than twice a week! ...You could learn a lot from him.'
We walked to the third pen and it had a sign attached that said, In capital letters, 'THIS BULL MATED 365 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife was so excited that her elbow nearly broke my ribs, and said,

'That's once a day ..You could REALLY learn something from this one.'

I looked at her and said, 'Go over and ask him if it was with the same old cow.'

My condition has been upgraded from critical to stable and I should eventually make a full recovery.

740 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:02pm

It looks like Spencer is actually posting at 2.0 now. What 'scholarly judgement' this odious buffoon continues to demonstrate.

741 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:09pm

Because it is here 7:40 in the morning of the 9/11/2009, and I am just up for breakfast, let my just say:

Never forget 9/11!


And I hope Charles will run a thread about Firefighters today, as I suggested some weeks ago.

742 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:43:57pm

An old cowboy sat down at the Starbucks and ordered a cup of coffee.As he sat sipping his coffee, a young woman sat down next to him.

She turned to the cowboy and asked, 'Are you a real cowboy?'

He replied, 'Well, I've spent my whole life breaking colts, working cows, going to rodeos, fixing fences, pulling calves,bailing hay, doctoring calves, cleaning my barn, fixing flats, working on tractors, and feeding my dogs, so I guess I am a cowboy.'

She said, 'I'm a lesbian. I spend my whole day thinking about women. As soon as I get up in the morning, I think about women. When I shower, I think about women. When I watch TV, I think about women. I even think about women when I eat. It seems that everything makes me think of women.'

The two sat sipping in silence.

A little while later, a man sat down on the other side of the old cowboy and asked, 'Are you a real cowboy?'

He replied, 'I always thought I was, but I just found out that I'm a lesbian.'

743 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:44:11pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon

Count yourself lucky. In Illinois we do have a state income tax and where I live the sales tax is 10%.

hey, it's much lower in Kane County --7.25

744 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:44:27pm

re: #739 Racer X

My wife and I went to the Royal Show and one of the first exhibits we stopped at was the breeding bulls. We went up to the first pen and there was a sign attached that said, 'THIS BULL MATED 50 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife playfully nudged me in the ribs ...Smiled and said, 'He mated 50 times last year.'

We walked to the second pen which had a sign attached that said, ''THIS BULL MATED 150 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife gave me a healthy jab and said, 'WOW~~That's more than twice a week! ...You could learn a lot from him.'
We walked to the third pen and it had a sign attached that said, In capital letters, 'THIS BULL MATED 365 TIMES LAST YEAR'

My wife was so excited that her elbow nearly broke my ribs, and said,

'That's once a day ..You could REALLY learn something from this one.'

I looked at her and said, 'Go over and ask him if it was with the same old cow.'

My condition has been upgraded from critical to stable and I should eventually make a full recovery.

YOU HAVE TO STOP! I'm getting a belly ache!

745 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:01pm

re: #741 Joshua Cohen

I'm sure he will...I see the sky line every day...still can't get used to it.

746 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:45:50pm

There's no state income tax in Texas, and the sales tax seems to be about the same, if not a little less, than other states. Only thing I can think of is that the property taxes are way higher. Or, the state treasury is getting filled with money from cow manure sales.

747 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:46:08pm

re: #741 Joshua Cohen

are you in Israel?

748 Van Helsing  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:46:11pm

re: #744 ggt

Yeah, it's killing me, too.
Thanks again for the Whittle/Sowell link. Excellent.

G'nite.
Play nice.

749 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:11pm

Thanks for the upding on the Linky, Sharm!

750 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:19pm

re: #746 cliffster

do they have that on special in austin?

751 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:47:59pm

re: #747 yochanan

are you in Israel?

Yes, back from work abroad since yesterday evening.

752 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:48:27pm

re: #743 ggt

kane co is still republican

753 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:48:32pm

re: #749 ggt

Thanks for the upding on the Linky, Sharm!

No prob!

754 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:06pm

re: #752 yochanan

kane co is still republican

sort of

755 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:49:54pm

re: #752 yochanan

kane co is still republican

We have a Gander Mountain and so far, still have lot's of Pick-ups with cool bumper stickers and other signs. --but the Obama stickers are very numerous as well.

756 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:31pm

re: #754 ggt

well i live in the country of crook and the stroger family doesn't work for peanuts

757 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:46pm

re: #750 yochanan

do they have that on special in austin?

Hmm, I've never tried to buy manure from anywhere else, so I have no basis for comparison. But, there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 acres of open land to the north and to the west where cows can roam and do their business all day, every day.

758 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:46pm

After getting all of Pope Benedict's luggage loaded into the limo (and he doesn't travel light), the driver notices that the Pope is still standing on the curb.

'Excuse me, Your Holiness,' says the driver, 'Would you please take your seat so we can leave?'

'Well, to tell you the truth,' says the Pope, 'they never let me drive at the Vatican and I'd really like to drive today.'

'I'm sorry but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job! And what if something should happen?' protests the driver, wishing he'd never gone to work that morning.

'There might be something extra in it for you,' says the Pope. Reluctantly, the driver gets in the back as the Pope climbs in behind the wheel. The driver quickly regrets his decision when, after exiting the airport, the Pontiff floors it, accelerating the limo to 105 mph.

'Please slow down, Your Holiness!!!' pleads the worried driver, but the Pope keeps the pedal to the metal until they hear sirens. 'Oh, dear God, I'm gonna lose my license,' moans the driver.

The Pope pulls over and rolls down the window as the cop approaches, but the cop takes one look at him, goes back to his motorcycle and gets on the radio. 'I need to talk to the Chief,' he says to the dispatcher. The Chief gets on the radio and the cop tells him that he's stopped a limo going a hundred and five.

'So bust him,' says the Chief.

'I don't think we want to do that - he's really important,' said the cop.

The Chief exclaimed, 'All the more reason!'

'No, I mean really important,' said the cop.

The Chief then asked, 'Who have you got there, the Mayor?'

Cop: 'Bigger.'

Chief: 'Governor?'

Cop: 'Bigger.'

'Well,' said the Chief, 'Who is it?'

Cop: 'I think it's God!'

Chief: 'What makes you think it's God?'

Cop: 'He's got the Pope as a chauffeur!'

759 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:50:55pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon

Count yourself lucky. In Illinois we do have a state income tax and where I live the sales tax is 10%.

Taxes are taxes. The State will collect what it needs by every means necessary. Back in the day when Texas was collecting huge dollars from oil and gas production, it was crazy talk to have an income tax. It became Gospel. As oil and gas revenues decreased, the State looked for ways to replace it without taxing folks on what they (gasp!!) actually earned every year. So the burden went to sales tax (regressive) and onto property owners, both residential and commercial.

The problem with property taxes is that you pay on profit *you haven't made yet* and that value is based on a market that is not predictable (as we have obviously seen in the last two year). It has blown a hole in the Texas budget and resulted in the State using more stimulus funds ($16 billion) than any other State except for California. It does not solve the nuts and bolts structural problem of state funding.

Policy wonk off.

760 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:51:30pm

Fact checking the Pres:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama used only-in-Washington accounting Wednesday when he promised to overhaul the nation's health care system without adding "one dime" to the deficit. By conventional arithmetic, Democratic plans would drive up the deficit by billions of dollars.

The president's speech to Congress contained a variety of oversimplifications and omissions in laying out what he wants to do about health insurance.

A look at some of Obama's claims and how they square with the facts or the fuller story:

Go ahead, its a short read, Yahoo news...

761 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:51:53pm

re: #755 ggt

for now...the approval rating are in a slow but steady decline...

762 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:51:54pm

re: #740 Jimmah

It looks like Spencer is actually posting at 2.0 now. What 'scholarly judgement' this odious buffoon continues to demonstrate.

He'll fit just fine among the stalkers. Though I did finally find something I can agree with Rodan on: Both he and I are Eli Manning fans. The guy is a sick fuck, but at least he roots for a good football team. I hope the Giants get to the NFC Finals this year, but I hope the Bears beat them there. Failing that, I hope the Giants win the Super Bowl. They're my second-favorite NFL team.

763 Opilio  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:51:56pm

re: #716 austin_blue

Nada, but the sales tax is 8.25%


According to this, Texas ranks 41st in state/local tax burden. New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut are 1, 2, and 3. California is the only state west of the Mississippi in the top 10 (6). The lowest burdens are in NH, FL, WY, NV, and AK.

764 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:52:02pm

re: #756 yochanan

well i live in the country of crook and the stroger family doesn't work for peanuts

Why? do you live in Cook County. I just can't fathom it.

765 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:32pm

going to get a cuppa and switch landry

bbiab

766 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:54:56pm

re: #742 Racer X

You are on a ROLL tonight!
LOL!

767 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:08pm

well our taxes are higher than that. and the funniest thing is that the town just north of chicagostan is evanstan, il. home of the uber liberal university chatting class which has the highest property tax in the state since northwestern u. and the non profits don't pay any. SUCKERS.

768 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:10pm

A young boy enters a barber shop and the barber whispers to his customer, "This is the dumbest kid in the world. Watch while I prove it to you."

The barber puts a dollar bill in one hand and two quarters in the other, then calls the boy over and asks, "Which do you want, son?"

The boy takes the quarters and leaves.

"What did I tell you?" said the barber. "That kid never learns!"

Later, when the customer leaves, he sees the same young boy coming out of the ice cream store. "Hey, son! May I ask you a question? Why did you take the quarters instead of the dollar bill?"


The boy licked his cone and replied, "Because the day I take the dollar, the game's over!"

769 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:56:32pm

re: #764 ggt

Why? do you live in Cook County. I just can't fathom it.

Because it's closer to the city, and it has bues and trains where I need them. I don't drive, so I need public trans.

770 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:57:12pm

ARGH. My internet's been a super bitch the last two hours.

771 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:09pm

re: #760 The Shadow Do

SO YAHOO AND THE A.P. came out of circle jerk mode.

772 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:47pm

re: #767 yochanan

well our taxes are higher than that. and the funniest thing is that the town just north of chicagostan is evanstan, il. home of the uber liberal university chatting class which has the highest property tax in the state since northwestern u. and the non profits don't pay any. SUCKERS.

Well, we probably will get a small tax reduction in sales tax after the next election when Todd Stroger is thrown out on his ass. He's picked a fight with the Daley brothers and its a fight I expect and hope he loses. Although it is kind of awkward to root for the Daleys. Strange bedfellows and all.

773 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:58:55pm

Anyways, blue austin, in case you hadn't gathered I don't and never did have any ill will towards you. I hope you enjoy your stay and I recommend that you stay well within the city limits of Austin and only travel outside of Austin via a plane that won't land until the Texas border is far behind.

774 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:59:21pm

re: #762 Dark_Falcon

He'll fit just fine among the stalkers. Though I did finally find something I can agree with Rodan on: Both he and I are Eli Manning fans. The guy is a sick fuck, but at least he roots for a good football team. I hope the Giants get to the NFC Finals this year, but I hope the Bears beat them there. Failing that, I hope the Giants win the Super Bowl. They're my second-favorite NFL team.

For someone who is supposedly trying to rebut accusations of extremism, it's an amazingly dumb move, posting there. The latest in a long line of dumb moves of course.

775 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:59:37pm

Early evening Lizards ( by my time!) I want to thank you for the fun.
Stay Scaly! Support Charles.
Laters!

776 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:59:47pm

re: #769 Dark_Falcon

mostly because my wife is a ortho jew and has to live in a ortho jewish comm. if it was up to me i would have moved to some blue state long ago.

777 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:01:16pm

re: #771 yochanan

SO YAHOO AND THE A.P. came out of circle jerk mode.

I'd say they just finished jerking. To borrow from the "Hardley Boys" from South Park's episode hammering the troofers, the AP and Yahoo just shot "clue goo" all over Obama.

/ewww

778 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:01:44pm

re: #776 yochanan

mostly because my wife is a ortho jew and has to live in a ortho jewish comm. if it was up to me i would have moved to some blue state long ago.

You mean red state, right?

779 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:00pm

re: #762 Dark_Falcon

I don't get the whole 2.0 thing someone has so much time as to dedicate a(another )hate site to charles?And folks go there to repeatedly vent their spleen...i have been gone a while,and the landscape here has changed a bit,some folks who i had a real affection for are gone/banned.I am saddened to see that,but,charles doesn't ban arbitrarily,he usually gives more than one warning...if you were banned ,you have no one to blame but yourself...

780 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:02:49pm

re: #773 cliffster

Anyways, blue austin, in case you hadn't gathered I don't and never did have any ill will towards you. I hope you enjoy your stay and I recommend that you stay well within the city limits of Austin and only travel outside of Austin via a plane that won't land until the Texas border is far behind.

How kind! Thank you for that advice.

781 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:03:07pm

i mean only an zerobot can believe THAT THE GOV'T CAN RUN HEALTH CARE CHEAPER
the gov't can't run anything cheaper

782 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:04:33pm

re: #778 Dark_Falcon

right never could understand the gop = red

since to my mind red = socialism

783 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:05:56pm

re: #781 yochanan

i mean only an zerobot can believe THAT THE GOV'T CAN RUN HEALTH CARE CHEAPER
the gov't can't run anything cheaper

Umm... no. Medcaire is demonstrably cheaper than private insurance. So is the VA, which has a significantly higher level of satisfaction than private policies.

784 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:06:16pm

re: #776 yochanan

mostly because my wife is a ortho jew and has to live in a ortho jewish comm. if it was up to me i would have moved to some blue REDstate long ago.

FIXED THAT FOR MY SELF

785 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:06:39pm

re: #769 Dark_Falcon

Because it's closer to the city, and it has bues and trains where I need them. I don't drive, so I need public trans.

You can live in Aurora (area) without a car. Lot's of people do. The buses and cabs are reliable and there are lots of bikes around.

786 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:16pm

Here's the probable reason for Powerline's delinking:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Never any response to my points.

787 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:07:59pm

re: #781 yochanan

i mean only an zerobot can believe THAT THE GOV'T CAN RUN HEALTH CARE CHEAPER
the gov't can't run anything cheaper

You're right. They can't even run amok cheap. Eight months of running amok has already set us back several trillion dollars.

788 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:08:20pm

re: #772 Dark_Falcon

Well, we probably will get a small tax reduction in sales tax after the next election when Todd Stroger is thrown out on his ass. He's picked a fight with the Daley brothers and its a fight I expect and hope he loses. Although it is kind of awkward to root for the Daleys. Strange bedfellows and all.

If nothing else, they are a constant source of new stories.

789 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:15pm

re: #785 ggt

You can live in Aurora (area) without a car. Lot's of people do. The buses and cabs are reliable and there are lots of bikes around.

I might do that if I got a chance to transfer. For now, my current location suits me well. Even using the bus, my commute is only about 30 minutes and that includes 13 minutes walking.

790 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:27pm

re: #786 Charles

Here's the probable reason for Powerline's delinking:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Never any response to my points.

can't take the heat?

791 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:09:29pm

re: #783 austin_blue

I had gov't run medical care for the first 22 years of my life.

the medical care part was ok BUT THE BED SIDE MANOR SUCKED BIG TIME.


just waiting for the congresscritters to drop there gold plated care and sign on to v.a. or zerocare.

keep drinking your zerobot koolaid austin.

792 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:07pm

re: #789 Dark_Falcon

I might do that if I got a chance to transfer. For now, my current location suits me well. Even using the bus, my commute is only about 30 minutes and that includes 13 minutes walking.

It would be longer by train from Aurora. Lot's of people do it and the train is a nice one.

793 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:10pm

re: #786 Charles

Here's the probable reason for Powerline's delinking:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Never any response to my points.

I wonder where all the Beck fans are now- whining about boycotts and poisoning of the well of political discourse.

794 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:15pm

re: #787 cliffster

current def. 9 t.

795 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:10:31pm

re: #783 austin_blue

Umm... no. Medcaire is demonstrably cheaper than private insurance. So is the VA, which has a significantly higher level of satisfaction than private policies.

Demonstrate that then, I would like to see how you reach that conclusion.

796 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:02pm

re: #786 Charles

Here's the probable reason for Powerline's delinking:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Never any response to my points.

OK, I just read his delinking post. He removed LGF and added Gateway Pundit? I started laughing when I read that.

797 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:11:06pm

'WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS THAN WITH ONE SINGLE BRITISH SOLDIER'




This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business in Campbeltown, Scotland. You are probably outraged at the thought of such an inflammatory statement?

However, we are a society which holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our greatest liberty. And after all, it is only a sign..

You may ask, what kind of business would dare post such a sign?





Answer: A funeral parlour







Who said morticians had no sense of humour?
You gotta love it!!!

798 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:22pm

Lots of LGF-haters at Hot Air tonight calling for them to delink LGF too.

799 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:12:44pm

re: #768 Racer X

LOL, now that one's a knee slapper, keep 'em coming! I'm either going to have to bookmark this page or start copying and pasting.

800 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:13:57pm

re: #792 ggt

It would be longer by train from Aurora. Lot's of people do it and the train is a nice one.

I don't work in the city. I work in a suburb. I'd spend over 2 hours getting there from Aurora. It's actually cheaper to pay the taxes than deal with a commute that long.

801 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:02pm

re: #796 Gus 802

OK, I just read his delinking post. He removed LGF and added Gateway Pundit? I started laughing when I read that.

That's right. Pathetic, isn't it? They're hitching their wagon to a borderline illiterate bigot who thinks it's the height of wit to post pictures of Obama as Hitler.

Good riddance. They're removed from my links too.

802 yochanan  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:13pm

are we going to have a sept 11 thread?

803 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:33pm

re: #791 yochanan

I had gov't run medical care for the first 22 years of my life.

the medical care part was ok BUT THE BED SIDE MANOR SUCKED BIG TIME.

just waiting for the congresscritters to drop there gold plated care and sign on to v.a. or zerocare.

keep drinking your zerobot koolaid austin.

Okay. Here:

[Link: www.highbeam.com...]

And as for the Gold Plated Medical Care that the Congresscritters get, it's absolute bullshit. They get to choose from the plans that the rest of federal employees can choose from, with one exception. They can choose Bethesda, which is the President's medical center, which is totally socialized medicine.

Doh!

804 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:38pm

re: #797 Racer X

Now that one's a keeper, thanks.

805 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:43pm

re: #797 Racer X

'WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS THAN WITH ONE SINGLE BRITISH SOLDIER'




This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business in Campbeltown, Scotland. You are probably outraged at the thought of such an inflammatory statement?

However, we are a society which holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our greatest liberty. And after all, it is only a sign..

You may ask, what kind of business would dare post such a sign?





Answer: A funeral parlour







Who said morticians had no sense of humour?
You gotta love it!!!

Loves it!

806 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:43pm

re: #802 yochanan

are we going to have a sept 11 thread?

What do you think?

807 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:14:59pm

re: #786 Charles

fair weather friends are not something anyone needs.if intellectual honesty,means nothing,then the hell with them.you never pretended to be anything but who you are.now you disagree with some of the things that are going on,and you are doing what you have always done.Keep up the fight,just because everyone is yelling at you doesn't mean you are wrong.

808 schnapp  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:31pm

re: #781 yochanan
Yeh? well if i ever get Chronic Myeloid Leukaemia then the medication to treat it will cost about $35 in Australia. It will cost you $3900 if you don't have insurance in the US.

809 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #795 Desert Dog

Demonstrate that then, I would like to see how you reach that conclusion.

See the 803.

810 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:51pm
811 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:15:56pm
812 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:08pm

re: #798 Charles

Lots of LGF-haters at Hot Air tonight calling for them to delink LGF too.

Hopefully Hot Air resists them. We need allies and I hope we can hold onto that one.

813 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:19pm

re: #798 Charles

Lots of LGF-haters at Hot Air tonight calling for them to delink LGF too.

But they hate color of change, I suppose. The irony is lost on them.

814 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:16:55pm

re: #812 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully Hot Air resists them. We need allies and I hope we can hold onto that one.

Why? They're a nut house.

815 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:02pm

re: #810 yochanan

I think I've had enough of this. So long. You'll be happier at the stalker blog, I'm sure.

816 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:17:56pm

re: #810 yochanan

i really don't know you have changed the direction of the blog.

In your opinion, in what way has the direction of this blog been changed? Please, be as accurate as possible in your descriptions. This is for posterity, after all.
/

817 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:25pm

re: #801 Charles

That's right. Pathetic, isn't it? They're hitching their wagon to a borderline illiterate bigot who thinks it's the height of wit to post pictures of Obama as Hitler.

Good riddance. They're removed from my links too.

I think they'll go further into deep water as time goes along. Gateway Pundit has really gone the way of the mental asylum.

Too much money into Big Hollywood. They may stay afloat but will have to rely on pro bono writing. I see they have something by Victoria Jackson. Yes, that Victoria Jackson.

Andrew Breitbart was one of the founders of the Huffington Post. He's not exactly Mr. Conservative and I can see a falling out somewhere in the future.

818 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:31pm

re: #815 Charles

You had the patience of a saint with that one today.

819 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:34pm

re: #803 austin_blue

Okay. Here:

[Link: www.highbeam.com...]

And as for the Gold Plated Medical Care that the Congresscritters get, it's absolute bullshit. They get to choose from the plans that the rest of federal employees can choose from, with one exception. They can choose Bethesda, which is the President's medical center, which is totally socialized medicine.

Doh!

That's the proof...wow. Kinda thin.

I have heard good things about the VA. I have uncles and a few Grandfathers that went through that system.

820 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:49pm

re: #816 Slumbering Behemoth

He won't be answering you. I can only put up with so much whining.

821 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:18:49pm

re: #815 Charles

I think I've had enough of this. So long. You'll be happier at the stalker blog, I'm sure.

Well I guess that was coming all night.

822 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20:15pm

re: #816 Slumbering Behemoth

In your opinion, in what way has the direction of this blog been changed? Please, be as accurate as possible in your descriptions. This is for posterity, after all.
/

The Pit of Despair?

823 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20:24pm

re: #821 LudwigVanQuixote

Well I guess that was coming all night.

Yes it was. Had a few snark comments thrown my way and tried to throw in some humor but he had his Mr. Crabby pants on yet again.

824 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:35pm

I think I'll sign off for the night. Goodnight, all.

825 Clemente  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:50pm

re: #772 Dark_Falcon

Well, we probably will get a small tax reduction in sales tax after the next election when Todd Stroger is thrown out on his ass. He's picked a fight with the Daley brothers and its a fight I expect and hope he loses. Although it is kind of awkward to root for the Daleys. Strange bedfellows and all.

The enemies of our enemies aren't always ours to choose. But we still get to pick our friends.

826 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:21:51pm

Hmm, maybe there was a "that" implied? as in,

i really don't know that you have changed the direction of the blog.

Maybe?

827 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:22:12pm

re: #824 Dark_Falcon

I think I'll sign off for the night. Goodnight, all.

night

828 irish rose  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:22:20pm

re: #814 Sharmuta

Why? They're a nut house.

I concur.
Their comment section is completely out of control.

829 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:22:20pm

re: #822 ArchangelMichael

The Pit of Despair?

The fine art of flouncing has been passed down through generations since ancient times.

830 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:23:09pm

re: #819 Desert Dog

That's the proof...wow. Kinda thin.

I have heard good things about the VA. I have uncles and a few Grandfathers that went through that system.

Go ahead and Google for VA satisfaction rates as opposed to private insurance. It is consistently higher across the board, with satisfaction rates over 80%. No contest.

831 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:16pm

re: #820 Charles

I can dig it. I was hoping to get a more definitive statement from him, something more than the vague, non-committal, bitchy half-accusations that tend to precede the Final Flounce.

Perhaps I prod this type too much?

832 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:24:25pm

*slides Charles a virtual beer*

Hang in there Charles.

833 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:16pm

re: #816 Slumbering Behemoth

i don't presume to speak for the recently departed,but,a few years ago,most of the coverage was focused on islamic fascism,and the war on terror.more recently charles has started posting stories on other subjects that need attention as well.(nirthers,intelligent design in schools scams etc.)i guess this didn't sit well with some.Apparently the term agree to disagree is a foreign concept to some folks.

834 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:25:35pm

Charles- if getting delinked from right wing blog who pander to lunatics continues to affect your traffic the way it has, then good. I can't help but think it's actually better for you to not be associated with these blogs. I know Allahpundit has been a friend to you, so I hope that remains, but with these other blogs- screw them.

835 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:23pm

re: #824 Dark_Falcon

I think I'll sign off for the night. Goodnight, all.

sleep well falcon!

836 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:49pm

re: #830 austin_blue

Go ahead and Google for VA satisfaction rates as opposed to private insurance. It is consistently higher across the board, with satisfaction rates over 80%. No contest.

I have no doubt about that, I did that already. I am currently looking up what the costs are compared to private insurance.

My uncles have been coming into town lately due to my own fathers ill health. We have been talking about the Obamacare plan. One is(was) a Chief and a total Dem. Then other is(was) a Colonel and a raging Repb. So, it was interesting to hear them talk about that.

837 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:53pm

re: #822 ArchangelMichael

Riffing on that, yeah. PBFTW!

838 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:26:56pm

re: #821 LudwigVanQuixote

Well I guess that was coming all night.

'twas a slow mo flo

Bagua's Flouncometor* was reporting readings of borderline flounce for an extended period. It was touch and go there for a while, what would give out first, the Flouncometor's Lithium** batteries or the moderator's patience? The full on flounces are much easier on the lab equipment.

* patent pending
** Lithium Carbonate of course.

839 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:28:23pm

re: #824 Dark_Falcon

I think I'll sign off for the night. Goodnight, all.

Night DF. I'm sorry that a long time Lizard committed blogicide tonight, but that was his choice.

840 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:19pm

re: #838 Bagua

'twas a slow mo flo

Bagua's Flouncometor* was reporting readings of borderline flounce for an extended period. It was touch and go there for a while, what would give out first, the Flouncometor's Lithium** batteries or the moderator's patience? The full on flounces are much easier on the lab equipment.

* patent pending
** Lithium Carbonate of course.

And a lot of people were trying to talk nicely to him too. Well, he got the meme that calling Obama Hitler wasn't going to fly here, and I suppose that was too much of a change in direction for him.

841 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29:32pm

re: #834 Sharmuta

I know Allahpundit has been a friend to you, so I hope that remains, but with these other blogs- screw them.

I suspect AP is under a lot of pressure, and not just from his screeching commenters.

842 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #841 Charles

I think you're probably right.

843 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:30:44pm

re: #833 Boondock St. Bender

i don't presume to speak for the recently departed,but,a few years ago,most of the coverage was focused on islamic fascism,and the war on terror.more recently charles has started posting stories on other subjects that need attention as well.(nirthers,intelligent design in schools scams etc.)i guess this didn't sit well with some.Apparently the term agree to disagree is a foreign concept to some folks.

If one were conservative, and one were to have conservative ideals' best interest in mind, then one would probably do one's best to make sure that people representing conservative ideals weren't being idiots. But, alas, that's just not as much fun sometimes, so keeping one's cool makes people think of you as a spoilsport. Oh well.

844 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:31:15pm

re: #833 Boondock St. Bender

i don't presume to speak for the recently departed,but,a few years ago,most of the coverage was focused on islamic fascism,and the war on terror.more recently charles has started posting stories on other subjects that need attention as well.(nirthers,intelligent design in schools scams etc.)i guess this didn't sit well with some.Apparently the term agree to disagree is a foreign concept to some folks.

It seems to me that Charles highlights all the Whackos. Since the change of administration --Whackos we are not used to seeing have come out from under their rocks.

845 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:33:44pm

re: #833 Boondock St. Bender

)i guess this didn't sit well with some.

The class of 2004 is proving very resistant to change.

846 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:18pm

Today
Page Views: 115,272
Visits: 81,874

Just sayin'.

847 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:20pm

re: #833 Boondock St. Bender

I get where you're coming from. IMO, those that think this blog should be all jihad, all the time, really have their heads up their asses.

There are many important things going on in the world, and I think Charles does a fine job focusing on more than the one pet issue of a certain, singularly focused demographic.

If others can't handle that, fucking off is probably the best thing for them to do.

848 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:34:37pm

re: #844 ggt

Indeed,not to mention that pointing out that blood in the water is a poor political strategy at best.

849 Clemente  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:29pm

*re: #832 Racer X

*slides Charles a virtual beer*

Hang in there Charles.

*backs up that one and adds a shot of the good stuff*

850 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:35:46pm

re: #836 Desert Dog

I have no doubt about that, I did that already. I am currently looking up what the costs are compared to private insurance.

My uncles have been coming into town lately due to my own fathers ill health. We have been talking about the Obamacare plan. One is(was) a Chief and a total Dem. Then other is(was) a Colonel and a raging Repb. So, it was interesting to hear them talk about that.

Yes. Please talk to them of their experiences. I remember back in the early 80's when the VA was a freaking joke. Then they got the funding they needed and it became an efficient system. But efficiencies of scale, where private profit is not the primary mover of health care, can result in huge cost savings. That's what we have seen in Medicaire and the VA in the last ten years.

851 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:31pm

re: #847 Slumbering Behemoth

exactly,it's charles house,he lets us play here.don't piss on the carpet.

852 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:36:35pm

re: #832 Racer X

*slides Charles a virtual beer*

Hang in there Charles.

I'm totally fine with all this, believe me. As I said earlier, if every right wing blog delinks me and calls me names, it will have absolutely no effect on what I do at LGF. I've never written a single word to get their approval, and I have no intention of starting now.

853 harpsicon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:26pm

re: #783 austin_blue

Umm... no. Medcaire is demonstrably cheaper than private insurance. So is the VA, which has a significantly higher level of satisfaction than private policies.

Cheaper for whom? You don't pay much on the spot to use it, but it has an UNFUNDED LIABILITY of $46Trillion. Makes Social Security shortfall look like peanuts. We're borrowing from the future to give seniors "cheap" care, and even so we have lots of doctors refusing any more Medicare patients because they can't take them and break even.

The talk about saving money from Medicare to fund Obamacare would be funny if it weren't tragic. It's like pyramiding your losses. If such savings are in any way possible, they should start by applying them to Medicare's own unfunded liabilities, not using them to prime the pump for the next gazillion dollars of unfunded liabilities - that much more stealing from the future.

That foreign holders of our debt might be the ones to call a halt to this nonsense is ironic, to say the least!

854 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:27pm
>su root
Password:

su: Sorry
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DAMMIT!!!

855 Bagua  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:37:32pm

re: #852 Charles

Good on you!

856 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:28pm

re: #834 Sharmuta

Charles- if getting delinked from right wing blog who pander to lunatics continues to affect your traffic the way it has, then good. I can't help but think it's actually better for you to not be associated with these blogs. I know Allahpundit has been a friend to you, so I hope that remains, but with these other blogs- screw them.

One of the things is that the rules have changed. Ever since Obama has taken office the right wing blogosphere has decidedly jumper the proverbial shark. From the birth certificate buffoonery to counting iterations of words. From Hitler mustaches on the president to foot prints on forged birth certificates being spread by 911 truther Jerome Corsi who is ironically a Democrat (given that they are so fearful of Democrats yet choose to listen to a crazy one at that). Orly Taitz, Pat Buchanan, Vlaams Belang, the BNP, and so on. What's next? David Duke?

857 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:38:42pm

re: #852 Charles

I think that's what freaks them out about you."whaddya mean he won't drink the kool-aid??!!"

858 harpsicon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:39:24pm

re: #849 Clemente

*

*backs up that one and adds a shot of the good stuff*

The Very Good Stuff!!

859 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:03pm

By the way, LGF has already racked up more than a million page views for the month of September.

860 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:22pm

re: #853 harpsicon

Cheaper for whom? You don't pay much on the spot to use it, but it has an UNFUNDED LIABILITY of $46Trillion. Makes Social Security shortfall look like peanuts. We're borrowing from the future to give seniors "cheap" care, and even so we have lots of doctors refusing any more Medicare patients because they can't take them and break even.

The talk about saving money from Medicare to fund Obamacare would be funny if it weren't tragic. It's like pyramiding your losses. If such savings are in any way possible, they should start by applying them to Medicare's own unfunded liabilities, not using them to prime the pump for the next gazillion dollars of unfunded liabilities - that much more stealing from the future.

That foreign holders of our debt might be the ones to call a halt to this nonsense is ironic, to say the least!

And if that cost was flipped over to private insurers, where would that number be?

Really, the elders *will* be treated. Unless you want them to be cast into the streets to die in the gutters.

Is that what you want? really?

So rather than barking radical right wing talking points, why don't you suggest how to *fix* the problem?

Oh, wait...

861 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:32pm

re: #847 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't trust anyone who is obsessive on one particular issue. Whether they are politicians or pundits, single issue obsession is a real turn off to me, and in the case of politicians it's an instant deal-breaker. For example, I never even gave a thought to Tom Tancredo in the lead up to the primaries because all I ever heard from him was "illegal immigration this and illegal immigration that". He refused to comment on the myriad of important issues so I ignored him. Thankfully so since he turned out to be a complete kook who shouldn't be a dog catcher no less in Congress or the President.

If this was all jihad, all the time, I probably wouldn't be here.

862 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:32pm

re: #852 Charles

Consistency. Integrity. Principle.

Not just empty words around these parts, and good reasons why I hang around these parts.

863 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:42:54pm

re: #856 Gus 802

People are extremely bitter that their side didn't win. The blind rage caused by bitterness can make you act like an idiot.

864 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:43:09pm

re: #856 Gus 802

The main thing is the Rules for Radicals have been adopted, and the apparent motto is "our kool-aid tastes better". It's just not that appealing.

865 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:44:21pm

re: #859 Charles

By the way, LGF has already racked up more than a million page views for the month of September.

That's awesome. Congratulations!

866 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:44:31pm

re: #844 ggt

It seems to me that Charles highlights all the Whackos. Since the change of administration --Whackos we are not used to seeing have come out from under their rocks.

That is very true. But the other fact is that the whackos have gotten more whacky.


Really, that kind of anger starts and ends with fear.

The right is so terrified that Obama is going to be something he so far has not turned out to be. He is far from perfect, and I strongly dislike his foreign policy, especially towards Israel, and Iran, but he is actually pretty far from an uncompromising far leftist. In fact, he is (so far) basically a centrist who leans left. It also seems clear to me that his more leftist ideas are slowly but surely getting modified by hard reality on the foreign front.

And he does try to work with the GOP. He gets spit on every time he reaches out his hand it seems, but, he does try.

When it turns out that he has strengths and weaknesses, but is by no means nearly as far left as he is painted to be, simply stating that fact only enrages them.

But where does the rage come from. Fear, plain and simple fear.

Again look at the smears...

Obama is the big bad black man (who is either painted as a Muslim or a secularist) who will destroy Christianity and take all of America away from white people.

To some Jewish folks, he is the one who will offer up Israel like Chzeckaslovokia. I am honestly still afraid of that possibility.

However, I am also hopeful that reality is sinking in for him on that front.

I pray that I am correct on that. Honestly, all I can do about that is pray and speak up for Israel when I get the chance.

But back to the fear... the sick and irrational fear that leads to hatred and feverish outbursts. The right is scared green of loosing its position permanently. It is causing them to see monster under the bed. Any suggestion that the source of the monsters (as they see it) might not be so bad, can only possibly cause a violent reaction.

867 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:36pm

re: #852 Charles

I'm totally fine with all this, believe me. As I said earlier, if every right wing blog delinks me and calls me names, it will have absolutely no effect on what I do at LGF. I've never written a single word to get their approval, and I have no intention of starting now.

I respect the heck out of you for that.

You've put a lot of time and effort into making this place the best place on the net to hang out and learn from others. LGF is no echo chamber thats for sure. There are plenty of other sites out there that are totally jealous of what you've built here.

868 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:45:51pm

re: #852 Charles

I'm totally fine with all this, believe me. As I said earlier, if every right wing blog delinks me and calls me names, it will have absolutely no effect on what I do at LGF. I've never written a single word to get their approval, and I have no intention of starting now.

Nor should you. To be honest in the long run, it will give you a wider appeal. The whack jobs are going to only make themselves objects of scorn in the long run. Mr. Wilson is likely to be the first of many examples.

869 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:18pm

re: #867 Racer X

I respect the heck out of you for that.

You've put a lot of time and effort into making this place the best place on the net to hang out and learn from others. LGF is no echo chamber thats for sure. There are plenty of other sites out there that are totally jealous of what you've built here.

here here... and you can think I'm a commie for that too :)

870 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:46:39pm

re: #866 LudwigVanQuixote

And he does try to work with the GOP. He gets spit on every time he reaches out his hand it seems, but, he does try.

Example? And I'm talking about a reaching out in earnest

871 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:10pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

Sometimes, through the give and take of ideas, something really funny, laser sharp, and dead on target comes through.

"our kool-aid tastes better"

A perfect motto for the (lamentable) theme that seems to be running like wildfire through the "not-left" blogosphere these days.

872 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:15pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

The main thing is the Rules for Radicals have been adopted, and the apparent motto is "our kool-aid tastes better". It's just not that appealing.

Indeed. I haven't drunk the kool-aid from either side. Sometimes I find (or found) myself thinking, "sorry but I didn't sign up for this." I have my concerns regarding taxes, regulatory reform, etc., but that doesn't mean I am willing to debase myself to achieve those goals. It doesn't mean I won't call out "bullshit" when I see it from either side. However, this Obama derangement has gotten way out of hand. I just can't do it every day. That's the thing. I can't wake up every morning and blame Obama for every problem this country is facing or will face. What we've seen is the flip side and the meme that was once "Bush's fault" has now become "Obama's fault."

873 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:47pm

I will never, ever, under any circumstances short of having my right to vote taken away from me de facto or de jure, adopt the tactics of moonbats to bring about my policy preferences.

874 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:48:54pm

re: #867 Racer X

There are plenty of other sites out there that are totally jealous of what you've built here.

And that goes back to the "bitterness" thing. And therefore, acting like idiots.

875 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:49:02pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

The main thing is the Rules for Radicals have been adopted, and the apparent motto is "our kool-aid tastes better". It's just not that appealing.

Sharm-

I'll respectfully disagree. It's not that "our kool-aid tastes better", it's that "your kool-aid isn't working, we're just arguing about new kool-aid".

Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but the present kool-aid isn't working.

876 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:49:52pm

re: #868 LudwigVanQuixote

Nor should you. To be honest in the long run, it will give you a wider appeal. The whack jobs are going to only make themselves objects of scorn in the long run. Mr. Wilson is likely to be the first of many examples.

Charles- do you remember that article I sent you quite awhile back about blogs and demographics? The analysis was a lot of internet users hadn't really found blogs for reading up on politics yet. I think you may have found a sweet spot. Intellectual honesty has a wide appeal. Keep up the great work.

877 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:49:59pm

re: #870 cliffster

Example? And I'm talking about a reaching out in earnest

I think pointedly giving props to an idea of McCain's in last night's speech would be a very big example. I think when he said that his door was always open and that he wanted to work with them on legitimate issues but would call out the lies and distortions, it was another.

878 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:52:18pm

re: #877 LudwigVanQuixote

I think pointedly giving props to an idea of McCain's in last night's speech would be a very big example. I think when he said that his door was always open and that he wanted to work with them on legitimate issues but would call out the lies and distortions, it was another.

I think that saying your door is always open, and actually having your door always open, are two different things. Regardless, neither of those is a concrete example of Obama reaching across the aisle and getting slapped for it.

879 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:52:35pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

The main thing is the Rules for Radicals have been adopted, and the apparent motto is "our kool-aid tastes better". It's just not that appealing.

I think there is a lot of really emotional people out there right now looking for a place to vent. The hysteria carries them a little too far. Many will regret the decisions they have made, and who they have chosen to associate with. Here's to hoping most of them come to their senses sooner rather than later.

880 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:52:46pm

re: #877 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't think it's Obama's official stance, but the perception being passed around particularly by those of his supporters in my demographic is that any sort of dissent from a wider-encompassing public option is very much a "lie."

881 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:54:51pm

re: #879 Racer X

I think there is a lot of really emotional people out there right now looking for a place to vent. The hysteria carries them a little too far. Many will regret the decisions they have made, and who they have chosen to associate with. Here's to hoping most of them come to their senses sooner rather than later.

I said last night on the overnight thread that I think a lot of people will come to regret burning their bridges with LGF- not because they were assholes to Charles, but because they won't be able to pimp themselves here. With friends like that- who needs enemies?

882 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:56:36pm

Incidentally, I watched Glenn Beck for the first time today. I had never watched him before (bad time slot), but DVR'd it just to see what all the hubbub was.

883 Racer X  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:56:39pm

I'm out.

Hope I made a few Lizards smile tonight with the silly jokes.

/and sorry if anyone took offense at the crude ones.

884 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:05pm

re: #878 cliffster

re: #880 laZardo

I think when he pointed kept republicans in his cabinet it would be another example. I think when he worked night and day with GOP leaders on the bail out bill, only to have no single GOP member vote for it would be another.

I think he has reached out. I think he wants to.

I also think that on the flip side when there are absolutely shameless calls that he is not a citizen - or that he is a liar - or that he has death panels etc... coming form actual Republicans on the hill, he is getting spat on, and they are pretty clearly saying that even if he stood on his head to reach out to them, they would spit on him.

885 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:09pm

re: #883 Racer X

I'm out.

Hope I made a few Lizards smile tonight with the silly jokes.

/and sorry if anyone took offense at the crude ones.

Later Racer X.

886 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:50pm

re: #883 Racer X

Goodnight, Stalker 10. ;)

887 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:57:57pm

You must never waver from the orthadoxy.
any dissent will be crushed mercilessly
we will destroy you becayse you are worse than the enemy,you are a traitor.
(current adoption of lefty blog by-laws by the right)
charles johnson??!!"HE"S A WITCH!"

888 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:20pm

re: #878 cliffster

I think that saying your door is always open, and actually having your door always open, are two different things. Regardless, neither of those is a concrete example of Obama reaching across the aisle and getting slapped for it.

And, saying things like "I won" and "we don't need no talking" and "we can pass it without the Republicans" tend to put a crimp in the whole bipartisan vibe too. The Republicans have not be forthcoming either, but it takes two to tango. If the other side don't want to dance...what can you do?

889 harpsicon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:22pm

re: #860 austin_blue

And if that cost was flipped over to private insurers, where would that number be?

Really, the elders *will* be treated. Unless you want them to be cast into the streets to die in the gutters.

Is that what you want? really?

So rather than barking radical right wing talking points, why don't you suggest how to *fix* the problem?

Oh, wait...

There are lots of ways, as has been pointed out here at length. But the basic problem is cost - things cost too much because most customers have no reason to even ask the cost.

I do. I have a catastrophic policy for a family of four, which costs less than half of what a lot of people pay (or cost their employers). So I ask. It's like a high deductible policy for anything else. And you'd be amazed at how little you can pay for most of your care - all the while being covered for the big stuff. A la Whole Foods - this is to me obviously the way to go.

And of course the lottery system of justice from some juries doesn't help - if there has to be public involvement in health care, let's start with an expert panel that can judge medical malpractice reasonably, and get lawyers out of the picture ENTIRELY.

An MRI machine should cost what a good computer costs, and would have gone down in price similarly were there a free and open market in such devices. And since it can be run by a trained technician, you should be able to get a $4 scan at WalMart along with your $4 perscription.

In any event, to go from the need to cover 5-10% of the population to a Washington takeover of 16% of the economy is a pretty wild leap of logic or maybe faith.

And your nonsense about throwing people into the streets is so old... Please - I lived in NYC when welfare reform passed, and we were warned that pretty soon a million people would be starving in the streets. Turned out most people had several sources of income, and the event came and went with hardly a ripple. A few people had to work a little harder, but under Giuliani the economy was awesome.

If people have to pay for their care, the costs will come down. It should be like auto insurance - you don't use it for an oil change, you just pay. Only for the big stuff; that saves a ton of overhead right off the bat. And you won't have to wait 18 weeks for that MRI, as is the par in the UK.

Cost is the big issue, and Obama doesn't address it in the least.

PS I do like the People's Republic of Austin, myself...

890 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:59:27pm

re: #887 Boondock St. Bender

You must never waver from the orthadoxy.
any dissent will be crushed mercilessly
we will destroy you becayse you are worse than the enemy,you are a traitor.
(current adoption of lefty blog by-laws by the right)
charles johnson??!!"HE"S A WITCH!"

Both the comment and the Cowboy BeBop gets you into my good book :)

891 laZardo  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:24pm

Gotta head home from college. Apparently I won't be able to qualify for the Deans' List next term because the one subject keeping me above overload - community service - doesn't count as part of the Deans' List GPA tally.

THANK YOU, BARACK OBAMA.

/ q:

//srsly, see ya laturr.

892 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:32pm

re: #872 Gus 802

I did my one and only bout with Derangement Syndrome during Clinton's first admin. Thankfully, I got over that before his second. I got over myself, got over the stupidity, and cut ties with the moronic dead-enders buying and selling the black helicopter, FEMA camp garbage (yes, that bullshit was going on even then).

A minor "saving grace" shout out to a P.O.S. that probably shouldn't be credited, but is. Alex Jones. Listening to that fool's Clinton Conspiracy Crap woke me up, and helped me see the eventual end point to the path I was on.

That fucker, as much as I dislike him and his conspiracy garbage, scared me straight, if you will.

893 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:48pm

re: #890 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks!going upthread.^^^

894 cliffster  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:12pm

re: #888 Desert Dog

And, saying things like "I won" and "we don't need no talking" and "we can pass it without the Republicans" tend to put a crimp in the whole bipartisan vibe too. The Republicans have not be forthcoming either, but it takes two to tango. If the other side don't want to dance...what can you do?

I reckon they're all being assholes.

895 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:04:12pm

re: #892 Slumbering Behemoth

ah yes i remember those good old days well...lol
ok now i'm going upthread^^^

896 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:23pm

re: #889 harpsicon

There are lots of ways, as has been pointed out here at length. But the basic problem is cost - things cost too much because most customers have no reason to even ask the cost.

I do. I have a catastrophic policy for a family of four, which costs less than half of what a lot of people pay (or cost their employers). So I ask. It's like a high deductible policy for anything else. And you'd be amazed at how little you can pay for most of your care - all the while being covered for the big stuff. A la Whole Foods - this is to me obviously the way to go.

And of course the lottery system of justice from some juries doesn't help - if there has to be public involvement in health care, let's start with an expert panel that can judge medical malpractice reasonably, and get lawyers out of the picture ENTIRELY.

An MRI machine should cost what a good computer costs, and would have gone down in price similarly were there a free and open market in such devices. And since it can be run by a trained technician, you should be able to get a $4 scan at WalMart along with your $4 perscription.

In any event, to go from the need to cover 5-10% of the population to a Washington takeover of 16% of the economy is a pretty wild leap of logic or maybe faith.

And your nonsense about throwing people into the streets is so old... Please - I lived in NYC when welfare reform passed, and we were warned that pretty soon a million people would be starving in the streets. Turned out most people had several sources of income, and the event came and went with hardly a ripple. A few people had to work a little harder, but under Giuliani the economy was awesome.

If people have to pay for their care, the costs will come down. It should be like auto insurance - you don't use it for an oil change, you just pay. Only for the big stuff; that saves a ton of overhead right off the bat. And you won't have to wait 18 weeks for that MRI, as is the par in the UK.

Cost is the big issue, and Obama doesn't address it in the least.

PS I do like the People's Republic of Austin, myself...

But if the cost of health care is being driven by private insurance companies who are trying to maximize profits, capture market share, and maximize shareholder value (Capitalism!), where does that leave the poor shlub trying to find affordable health care? By definition, it *must* be costly, yes?

897 harpsicon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:14:41pm

re: #866 LudwigVanQuixote


In fact, he is (so far) basically a centrist who leans left. It also seems clear to me that his more leftist ideas are slowly but surely getting modified by hard reality on the foreign front.

I went to college in the era of Ayers & Co., and I think you are wildly optimistic. They haven't changed - not at all. "Didn't do enough" - published in the New York Times on 9/11. Go read Zombie's copy of "Prairie Fire" (their manifesto dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan, among others).

Mark Rudd, who led the revolt at Columbia in 1967, has apparently said that Lenin would be proud of Obama. In his modulated but firm and unceasing way of moving the entire country where it doesn't at all want to go.

So the truth may be what you judge (and hope!) or it may be virtual opposite - i.e. that Obama is a very hard leftist out to do as much damage as he can to the Amerikkka he really doesn't like much. The only problem are those pesky voters...

Time will tell. My fear is that the second scenario is more likely, as yesterday's decision to brazen it out on "health care" - in effect doubling down against the political odds - seems to indicate.

Time will tell. Or maybe he will prove ineffective (or in any event stoppable) and will fade from the scene without any obvious revelations about his most mysterious mind, with which, as he himself has pointed out, people seem to identify their own ideals/dreams.

898 harpsicon  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:49pm

re: #896 austin_blue

But if the cost of health care is being driven by private insurance companies who are trying to maximize profits, capture market share, and maximize shareholder value (Capitalism!), where does that leave the poor shlub trying to find affordable health care? By definition, it *must* be costly, yes?

I think I gave a personal, fact-filled explanation of how it's cheaper. I don't think you understand prices, competition, and other aspects of capitalism which aren't so apparent to people in places like Austin (look who you elect!). I used to be like you, alas.

Factoid - two thirds of women without children voted for Kerry; two thirds of women with children voted for Bush. With responsibility I think comes an understanding of reality.

Your definition of (Capitalism!) is sophomoric. Companies without govt monopoly protection can do relatively little to drive prices, at least for long (look at the cost of IPods graphed over time). Prices in health care are driven by the fact that the menu has no right hand side, so everybody orders steak. Putting prices on the right side will I guarantee you lower the total dinner bill. By a lot!

899 Gus  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:22:21pm

re: #892 Slumbering Behemoth

I did my one and only bout with Derangement Syndrome during Clinton's first admin. Thankfully, I got over that before his second. I got over myself, got over the stupidity, and cut ties with the moronic dead-enders buying and selling the black helicopter, FEMA camp garbage (yes, that bullshit was going on even then).

A minor "saving grace" shout out to a P.O.S. that probably shouldn't be credited, but is. Alex Jones. Listening to that fool's Clinton Conspiracy Crap woke me up, and helped me see the eventual end point to the path I was on.

That fucker, as much as I dislike him and his conspiracy garbage, scared me straight, if you will.

I've tried it but it never seemed to work so well -- the derangement that is. It was close when I was in my late teens but somehow or another I was always interested in politicians regardless of ideology. My first meeting was with a Republican congressman who I spoke with one to one regarding environmental issues. This was probably around 1980. It was cordial and respectful. I voted for Carter first and a straight Republican ticket locally because of corruption issues.

The odd thing was collecting signature for removing James Watt whom I seriously disliked. I encountered some weird responses from people I considered liberal like "I don't like trees" and they refused to sign it. My ex-girlfriends mom in later years was a strong Republican and used to know William F. Buckley is a strong environmentalist and has even arranged some educational programs regarding paleontology in Englewood, NJ. I've met great Republicans and Democrats in my years.

I didn't vote in 2000. By then I was already worn out with the Clinton and Lewinsky madness. I was rather apathetic at the time and had no strong feelings other than I found Lieberman to be rather milquetoast at the time and never liked Gore when I was a raging liberal. Over time and after 911 I began to change and went back to some of my youthful and foundational roots which included Nixon and the Viet Nam war as my allies. Of course this was mixed in with my intermediary liberalness. Nixon of course opened the door to China and signed a great deal of environmental legislation along the way -- contrary to the stereotype.

What drew me to Bush a great deal was not only 911 but the willingness to prosecute the War in Iraq and to "get her done" as well as a great deal of empathy for the president, who I felt was severely let down by a good deal of the American public. Now, while I disagree with Barack Obama, I find myself feeling the same way. I didn't vote for Obama but I don't want to let him down. Because if my president fails, I fail, and we fail. I hope along the way he finds it in his heart to make the best decisions for the country and hope that the balance of powers tempers whatever miscalculated decision he makes along the way.

I sincerely hope that as a representative democracy we can find a way to work together. We need everyone and that includes both liberals and conservatives.

900 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:27:02pm

weet dreams all!

901 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:37:16pm

re: #866 LudwigVanQuixote

That is very true. But the other fact is that the whackos have gotten more whacky.

Really, that kind of anger starts and ends with fear.

The right is so terrified that Obama is going to be something he so far has not turned out to be. He is far from perfect, and I strongly dislike his foreign policy, especially towards Israel, and Iran, but he is actually pretty far from an uncompromising far leftist. In fact, he is (so far) basically a centrist who leans left. It also seems clear to me that his more leftist ideas are slowly but surely getting modified by hard reality on the foreign front.

And he does try to work with the GOP. He gets spit on every time he reaches out his hand it seems, but, he does try.

When it turns out that he has strengths and weaknesses, but is by no means nearly as far left as he is painted to be, simply stating that fact only enrages them.

But where does the rage come from. Fear, plain and simple fear.

Again look at the smears...

Obama is the big bad black man (who is either painted as a Muslim or a secularist) who will destroy Christianity and take all of America away from white people.

To some Jewish folks, he is the one who will offer up Israel like Chzeckaslovokia. I am honestly still afraid of that possibility.

However, I am also hopeful that reality is sinking in for him on that front.

I pray that I am correct on that. Honestly, all I can do about that is pray and speak up for Israel when I get the chance.

But back to the fear... the sick and irrational fear that leads to hatred and feverish outbursts. The right is scared green of loosing its position permanently. It is causing them to see monster under the bed. Any suggestion that the source of the monsters (as they see it) might not be so bad, can only possibly cause a violent reaction.

While I agree, the irrational fear is out there on all sides. The issues that caused us to question Obama's run for POTUS are still valid. He is inexperienced, untried and has had Marxist contacts thru-out his life. And, i certainly don't understand the choices he has made in his Czars. All of that is not enough for me to run screaming into the night. It is enough for me to watch all the happenings in our government very closely. I am not convinced that he works more for our country than he does for himself. If he wants to get re-elected, he'll have to more to the center and stay there.

I pray he stays healthy during his term. The only violent reaction I fear is the one that will happen if he doesn't serve out his term. I hope Michelle makes sure he takes care of himself and the Secret Service does their job.

902 dogberry  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:42:54am

The IQ list gave John Quincy Adams a 160.

903 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:27:12am

lay off robert, he just hasnt found the right guy yet

904 Green Helmet Guy  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:41:01am

re: #129 Charles

Yep, seriously. That's what I think, because I know how politics works, and I know that there's very little a politician does that isn't carefully planned.

:)

905 The Left  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:19:03am

Not surprised one bit that LGF already has a million page views this month. It's the continuation of the general upsurge in traffic all summer as people noticed this was the lone voice of sanity on the centre and right calling out Beck and others. This freakout being waged by the crankosphere is only going to make even more people take LGF seriously and drive people here who never looked here before, or thought of this place based on cherrypicked comments from years ago.

Traffic is going to continue to climb. The further the moronsphere descends into Full Metal Wingnut against LGF, the more that sane people who want a balanced and independent view will come here. People who want to read someone who calls out bullshit on his own 'side' just as readily as he does on the other side.
Very few like that on either the right or left-- and there's a hunger for that kind of thinking and the kind of community being provided here.

Traffic will be doubled even from what it is now within one year, I predict. I thought it would take two years for LGF to be universally recognised as the go-to place to talk politics on the net, regardless of one's ideology. The intensity of the freakout in the moronosphere over the last few days makes me say now-- one year. Others are going to notice what's happening, and anyone sane knows who's correct-- and people are going to appreciate the intellectual honesty and courage involved. They'll be reassessing LGF and visiting for themselves to see-- in many cases for the first time ever.
For every idiot banned, ten or more new readers are showing up.
Sometimes (rarely), the good guys really do win-- even if it takes a while.

906 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:52:25am
907 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:55:59am

And the flounces keep on coming.

908 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #907 Charles

And the flounces keep on coming.

And he was such a vital part of the community here, too.

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Limited World Feat Caleb Hawley VIDEO get the album → woooong.com smarturl.it Caleb Hawley - lead voxCory Wong - guitar/perc/vox/producerRicky Peterson - B3Cody Fry - wurliMarti Fischer - synth/voxSonny Thompson - bassPetar Janjic - drums*THE HORNHEADS*Michael Nelson - trombone/horn arrangementKenni Holmen - saxSteve Strand - ...
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Black Pumas- ‘Colors’Live in Studio 1A on June 21, 2019. Host: Jody DenbergAudio Engineer: Cliff HargroveProducer: Deidre GottCameras: Julia Reihs, Giulia Hjort, Micheal MinasiEdit: Julia Reihs
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PJ Morton Feat. JoJo - Say So - Official Music VideoFollow PJ: Instagram: instagram.comTwitter: @PJMortonFacebook: facebook.comWebsite: pjmortonmusic.com Follow JoJo:Instagram: instagram.comTwitter: @iamjojoFacebook: facebook.comWebsite: iamjojoofficial.com
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Man Dies After Attacking Migrant Detention Center Just another day in Trumpmerica TACOMA, Wash. — A man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, ...
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Durand Jones & the Indications - Morning in America (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents Durand Jones & The Indications performing "Morning In America" live in the KEXP studio. Recorded April 2, 2019. Host: Kevin ColeAudio Engineer: Kevin SuggsCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro, Scott Holpainen & Matt OgazDirector & Editor: Justin Wilmore ...
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Jeremy Renner - ‘Main Attraction’ Music Video for Main Attraction New Music out now! Heaven Don’t Have a Name: awal.lnk.toHouse of the Rising Sun: awal.lnk.toMain Attraction: awal.lnk.toNomad: awal.lnk.toSign: awal.lnk.to Watch more Original Content from Jeremy Renner ▶ youtube.com Follow Jeremy Renner:Instagram: instagram.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @Renner4RealSpotify: ...
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Cosmic Sans (Feat. Tom Misch)preorder the album → woooong.comCory Wong - guitar/bass/synth/mixTom Misch - guitarNate Smith - drumsJoe LaPorta - mastering
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Kishi Bashi - Violin Tsunami (Official Video) "Violin Tsunami" from Kishi Bashi off the album 'Omoiyari' out on Joyful Noise Recordings. Stream/Download/Purchase: jnr.lnk.to Video Created by: Julia and Mike McCoyTandem Media: tandemmedia.netWith help from: Benjamin J. Strickland (Brian Box) brainbx.com For more information on the Japanese ...
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João Gilberto - Coisa Mais Linda Faixa 09 - João Gilberto - 1961 Coisa Mais Linda - (Carlos Lyra, Vinicius de Moraes) Coisa mais bonita é você, assim, justinho vocêEu juro, eu não sei por que vocêVocê é mais bonita que a flor, quem dera, ...
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