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The ten thousand questions are one question. If you cut through the one question, then the ten thousand questions disappear.
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pat Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:25pm |
Greta's interview with Traficant was interesting. Don't know what it all means yet, but it was interesting.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:00:49pm |
Ahhh late night ramblings...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:31pm |
re: #2 pat
Greta's interview with Traficant was interesting. Don't know what it all means yet, but it was interesting.
James Traficant is one of the most corrupt, insane politicians ever to go to jail. If he is now going to be rehabilitated, it's a sign of how incredibly screwed up our politics is getting. He deserves nothing more than to be shunned by every decent person.
I was appalled to see him get an entire hour to spew his nonsense.
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Salamantis Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:02:38pm |
The ten thousand pennies are one c note. If you spend the one c note, then the ten thousand pennies disappear.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:03:51pm |
re: #5 Salamantis
The ten thousand pennies are one c note. If you spend the one c note, then the ten thousand pennies disappear.
I see you have met my wife then.
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Clemente Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:03:55pm |
If you cut through google the one question, then the ten thousand questions become one million answers. A result exactly as useful as no answer at all.
-Lao Clem
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Kronocide Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:48pm |
Why did the Irishman make 239 Bean Soup?
Because one more would make it too farty.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:06:52pm |
Gee, on paper, that business plan seemed so good...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:08:34pm |
Knock knock
Oh hi, how's it going? It's me! Every girl ever. I'm really looking forward to this date. I'm not nearly as attractive as you remember me being because when we met the bar was dark and you were drunk. Come on in.
Let's start off with the unavoidable tour of my incredibly typical post-college-girl apartment.
You'll notice that I went ahead and purchased everything that Ikea and Pier 1 have ever produced. There's my decorative birdcage over there even though I don't have a bird, and there's my gay wicker basket with bamboo poles in it. I don't know what the hell that's thing's all about, but I bought it.
Hey check it out, I have more candles in here than a Roman Catholic Church. Doesn't it smell like Hazelnut!? If I were to light all of my candles at once you could see my apartment from space! I ***ing love candles!
Come on into the living room.
Oh, I see you met my cat there. That's "Freddy Paws Jr." Why don't you pet him and act like you like cats even though you hate cats? There you go. Oh, he took a little swing at your eye there huh? Yeah, he'll do that. Hey, let's check out the kitchen.
Hey look at my refrigerator. There are pictures all over it! Look at all these pictures of me and my equally vacuous friends from college! We were so crazy! You can tell we're really good friends because our faces are all pressed up against each other like that.
And check it out, we're holding up alcoholic beverages to the camera in every single picture. That's to prove that we were partying. College was so fun! But of course I don't talk to any of these girls anymore because now they're all bitches.
Let's go back into the hallway!
Hey, before we leave I'm going to go in the bathroom for ten minutes for some mysterious reason. Why don't you sit awkwardly in my big, stupid, round papizan chair over there while you wait for me. It's like you're sitting in a hug! Be right back...
Sorry that took a half an hour, I don't know what the hell I was doing in there. Let's go!
Wow! Thanks for opening my car door for me! I'm totally going to blow that meaningless gesture out of proportion and delude myself into thinking that you're a really good guy because that's what I want to believe.
Well, here we are at the restaurant. No thanks waiter, I don't need to see a menu, just bring me some expensive things. Hey I know, while we wait, I'll tell you all about my unspeakably boring job. I hate my boss. He's a jerk! I might get another job. Maybe something in pharmaceutical sales.
Now let's talk about my family. I love my family. I want you to love my family. I want my family to love you. I want you to make love to my family! I want you to go golfing with my semi-retarded brother Travis. That would be so God damned cute!
Wow! I can't believe I ordered all this food! I have no intention of eating any of it. No thanks waiter, we don't need a box. Just throw it out.
Hey, I've got an idea, let's go to a bar and have an after dinner drink! It'll be great, it will be just like how we're drinking here, only it will be louder and we'll have to stand up. Come on!
See, isn't this better? Oh hey, what a coincidence. Look over there! It's a group of my friends that I knew was going to be here. Let's go over there so that they can judge you!
Hey, I have to go to the bathroom for a half an hour again for some reason. You can stay here and talk to my unbelievably hideous friend Christine! Christine's so ugly she scares kids! Talk to her! She has a job and a family that she wants to talk to you about too. Be right back.
I'm back! Sorry I was gone for three hours, there was a line. I want to go home now.
Well here we are at my door again. This was really fun for me and not you. You should pretend like we're going to do it again sometime! Maybe I'll see you at Target a few months from now and we can avoid eye contact because you never called me. Here, have this awkward goodnight kiss that's as empty as my soul. Good night!
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pat Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:09:32pm |
Without a bit of background the following piece is difficult to follow. The reasons why Russian arms sales are declining is sort of but not exactly explained. But the article is very important.
Weapons Procurement:Buy American If You Want To Live
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]
I am sure there are many here who can explain this incredible change in the arms market. It is a fun topic.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:11:00pm |
Japan, dude, WTF? You're cool and all, but I think you need help.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:13:25pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
I have this sudden urge...to have a gigantic glass of milk...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:16:55pm |
We had three meltdowns in a row in the Stephen Barrett thread tonight.
I was really surprised to find out that so many people hate Barrett with a passion. And if you say anything positive about him, they just freak out.
Makes me think he must be doing something right.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:17:04pm |
re: #13 pat
expert for the ak-47(or newer74)and the rpg(both cheap and effective)most Russian equipt. is only fit for facing more russian equipt,or for scaring unarmed peasants.when confronted with western arms the russian stuff shows it's weaknesses.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:18:18pm |
re: #12 TheMatrix31
Sounds like you had a bad date last Friday night. You did have a date last Friday night, right?
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:19:03pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
Japan, dude, WTF? You're cool and all, but I think you need help.
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Those are nice, but here's some real great killer tits!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:03pm |
re: #22 Slumbering Behemoth
No lol. That's from uh, I think it was a Best Of Craigslist thing. I posted it on my FB like two years ago and came across it again.
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pat Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20:23pm |
re: #21 Boondock St. Bender
AK 74 is an interesting rifle. But a bit late to the party. Russians use it for a light sniper and export.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:21:47pm |
Oh man. Now I'm getting pitiful sad emails from yochanan, saying how much he's going to miss LGF.
For f*ck's sake. OK, I'm going to restore his account, but if the whining starts up again that will be the last chance.
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Kronocide Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:24:51pm |
Hate x.
Barret NOT hate x = hate Barret.
Theory of Political Relativity.
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pat Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:30pm |
As my wife says, if it does not involve one of my areas of study, weapons, or similar things of objective nature, then i know about as much about the subject as I know about my kids. And i do not believe she means that as a complement.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:36pm |
re: #20 Charles
Alternative meds, new age woo, and anti big pharma moonbats I have found to be the worst nuts lately. Even worse than Paulians, although there is some overlap. They are all over the place on the political spectrum as well.
All nuts are convinced they are right, but these kooks not only believe they are right but are keeps of some secret hidden knowledge that The Man® is keeping from us to make us all ill and drain our wallets.
I also have more contact and conflicts with them on a daily basis than any other kook talked about here on LGF. They seem to be legion.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:46pm |
Creationist governor Tim Pawlenty is taking a dive off the deep end into Ron Paul territory. This is a guy who's being touted as a front runner for President in 2012.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:25:47pm |
re: #26 Charles
That's very gracious of you, and one of the things your haters never give you credit for, of course.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:26:25pm |
re: #26 Charles
Perhaps he can be more direct in his criticisms in the future, instead of the "I just don't know what to expect from you anymore. You've changed, man" crap.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:27:18pm |
re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps he can be more direct in his criticisms in the future, instead of the "I just don't know what to expect from you anymore. You've changed, man" crap.
I let him know very clearly that I'm not going to put up with any more of that.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:27:19pm |
re: #33 Charles
Creationist governor Tim Pawlenty is taking a dive off the deep end into Ron Paul territory. This is a guy who's being touted as a front runner for President in 2012.
Permafrost on the brain.
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:28:31pm |
re: #37 Sharmuta
Permafrost on the brain.
I try to be reasonable and then these guys keep showing up.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:30:42pm |
Pawlenty’s comments echoed some of Perry's, who predicted during a prior RGA tele-town hall in May that a number of states would adopt laws that “assert their independence from the federal government.”
Two words: bridge collapse.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:02pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
Dammit you made me turn on the status bar in Safari to see if there was a clue... but alas no.
Hard to resist clicking the blue shiny text.
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Bagua Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:20pm |
re: #26 Charles
Oh man. Now I'm getting pitiful sad emails from yochanan, saying how much he's going to miss LGF.
For f*ck's sake. OK, I'm going to restore his account, but if the whining starts up again that will be the last chance.
I think that's good of you Charles, he seamed more confused than angry or vindictive and seems to have his heart in the right place.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:32:28pm |
re: #33 Charles
I've said it before,i'll say it again,the dems and the media are drooling in anticipation to have an inelligent design candidate run in2012.They will ease off on him at first then come election time beat him to death with it.
This is a platform the rep.can do withoout.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:33:40pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
“Neither party has an exclusive on whack jobs,” says Republican media consultant Mark McKinnon. “Unfortunately, right now the Democrats generally get defined by President Obama, and Republicans, who have no clear leadership, get defined by crackpots — and then they begin to define the Republican Party in the mind of the general public.”
Can we get Mark McKinnon a leadership spot in the GOP? He seems smart.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:34:21pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
Yep. The party of cranks. That says it.
And it's going to get worse. We haven't even glimpsed the bottom yet.
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cliffster Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:34:28pm |
re: #33 Charles
Creationist governor Tim Pawlenty is taking a dive off the deep end into Ron Paul territory. This is a guy who's being touted as a front runner for President in 2012.
You take issue with someone thinking that the federal government is overreaching its bounds? Or you take issue with the way he suggests states rights be asserted?
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:35:13pm |
re: #36 Charles
but,but according to the 2.0 characters you're a banning monster!!!
(more proof if the stick shows up at your door,you did something to bring it there)
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:35:50pm |
re: #45 Charles
Yep. The party of cranks. That says it.
And it's going to get worse. We haven't even glimpsed the bottom yet.
8 months in, no doubt. And they've brought in Orly Taitz, Alan Keyes, the La Rouche cult, Ron Paul, etc.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:35:55pm |
Inquiry (I'm sure the answer to at least one of these is yes)
Sen. John Cornyn
Nirther?
Creationist?
Death-Panel Screetcher?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:18pm |
re: #46 cliffster
You take issue with someone thinking that the federal government is overreaching its bounds? Or you take issue with the way he suggests states rights be asserted?
Do you know anything about the history of the term "states rights?"
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jeremy0114 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:55pm |
I honestly never knew all the creationists that were out there in politics until reading this blog. Sheesh... If it wasn't for the belief that freedom is something to go to war for and capitalism is preferable to socialism, I'd probably be a left winger myself.
Makes me wonder... where does a guy like me go? Everyone seems to get so mad here anymore... thats the biggest change I have seen...
I just dont care about the social issues everyone gets their panties in a bunch about... Dont waste money and protect and enforce the constitution. It really is an easy thing to do if you didnt have 600 or so elected officials trying to fuck it up all the time with bullshit social issues that at best are states rights issues or at worse just dung that has no business being anywhere near the law anyways...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:36:59pm |
re: #36 Charles
It's a passive-aggressive style that is rather off-putting.
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The Left Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:37:31pm |
re: #42 Bagua
I think that's good of you Charles, he seamed more confused than angry or vindictive and seems to have his heart in the right place.
Updinged because I do think it's good of Charles.
Friend of mine always says, "Everyone always deserves a second chance...but only one."
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:38:43pm |
re: #53 iceweasel
To his credit, he didn't immediately go there. Despite being coaxed to do so.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:13pm |
Ah states rights.
The firm belief that the federal govt.should keep out of your buisness only when your party is not in control of the federal government.
see the fugitive slave act.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:41pm |
Top GOP politicians are now using language and concepts from the pro-segregation movement.
It's getting harder and harder for me to avoid the conclusion that there's a very deep undercurrent of racism in all this.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:39:58pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
One veteran GOP official puts it bluntly: “The image of a bunch of white guys booing an African-American president is about as bad as it gets.”
[snip]
“You have a little bit of tyranny of the minority with these people,” he says. “It may raise their profile, it may make them more attractive in their district — but does it really help the image of the party in the midst of an important debate? I think no. Obviously, there are some who will be cheering this, but I think the cake is baked with them in terms of how they feel about Obama and health care.”
This is all very true. These folks might be scoring hits back home, but they're hurting the rest of us and thus, killing the party.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:40:21pm |
re: #56 Boondock St. Bender
Ah states rights.
The firm belief that the federal govt.should keep out of your buisness only when your party is not in control of the federal government.
see the fugitive slave act.
I seem to recall reading about a conflict back in the 1860's that had something to do with States Rights as well?
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:40:45pm |
re: #50 Charles
Do you know anything about the history of the term "states rights?"
I doubt even Pawlenty has a clue. Another pandering fool that prosecutes the latest fad like the nirthers, and death panels. Minnesota gets billions in Federal funding. If they actually seceded they'd become a third world country in not time.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:40:52pm |
re: #58 Sharmuta
This is all very true. These folks might be scoring hits back home, but they're hurting the rest of us and thus, killing the party.
It's a slow, painful death too...I hope we can find a cure soon
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The Left Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:13pm |
re: #55 ArchangelMichael
To his credit, he didn't immediately go there. Despite being coaxed to do so.
? Oh you mean to the Village of the Banned?
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:26pm |
re: #56 Boondock St. Bender
Ah states rights.
The firm belief that the federal govt.should keep out of your buisness only when your party is not in control of the federal government.
see the fugitive slave act.
An originally legitimate term co-opted and ruined by racists and other kooks.
I hope they haven't tarnished Federalism as well. I hate having to describe things I mean with a paragraph because some idiots made a word or phrase mean something else.
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cliffster Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:30pm |
re: #50 Charles
Do you know anything about the history of the term "states rights?"
That question could be interpreted several ways. The debate about how much power should reside in the federal government and how much should be denied the federal government predates the constitution. In so avoiding the term "state's rights", I'm asking if you take issue with the notion the federal government is overreaching.
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Bagua Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:41:47pm |
re: #57 Charles
I reckon the VJ lynching made it clear that race was the game.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:42:59pm |
re: #64 cliffster
That question could be interpreted several ways. The debate about how much power should reside in the federal government and how much should be denied the federal government predates the constitution. In so avoiding the term "state's rights", I'm asking if you take issue with the notion the federal government is overreaching.
Pawlenty and Perry are pandering to the racists and "sovereign citizen" kooks with this stuff. I have no doubt at all about this.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:34pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
I doubt even Pawlenty has a clue. Another pandering fool that prosecutes the latest fad like the nirthers, and death panels. Minnesota gets billions in Federal funding. If they actually seceded they'd become a third world country in not time.
Federal funding rebuilt the I35 bridge- and this is what he thinks states should do?! There are people in Congress working to get money taxed from Minnesotans back to Minnesota, and this is what their Governor thinks of their efforts? That Minnesota doesn't need federal money? I'm sure the other 49 states will gladly take it.
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The Left Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:45pm |
re: #66 ArchangelMichael
Yep.
Gotcha. I agree.
Even so, to me that's kind of like saying "Well at least he's not an axe murderer".
Hyperbole, yes, but come on. Who would go there? Why? Not cool.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:47pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
I doubt even Pawlenty has a clue. Another pandering fool that prosecutes the latest fad like the nirthers, and death panels. Minnesota gets billions in Federal funding. If they actually seceded they'd become a third world country in not time.
He should talk about more important things, like the Federal Reserve's secret powers, the coming take over the USA by the UN and the new world currency that is going to replace the greenback.
/please, no
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:43:48pm |
re: #65 Bagua
Of course, I can never speak for others, but race certainly wasn't MY objection to being opposed to him.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:44:04pm |
re: #59 Desert Dog
exactly,you see it was o'k' to shit all over a states sovereignty when your financial interests were at stake.but woe be it if the other party tried to pull that shit
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:44:52pm |
re: #67 Charles
Pawlenty and Perry are pandering to the racists and "sovereign citizen" kooks with this stuff. I have no doubt at all about this.
It's interesting that the MN branch of that nazi group re-opened...
(The group whose emails were outed)
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:46:29pm |
re: #68 Sharmuta
Federal funding rebuilt the I35 bridge- and this is what he thinks states should do?! There are people in Congress working to get money taxed from Minnesotans back to Minnesota, and this is what their Governor thinks of their efforts? That Minnesota doesn't need federal money? I'm sure the other 49 states will gladly take it.
Didn't Minnesota want to create "Sharia Mortgages?" I think that was a hoax perpetrated by the nutwings. What is going on over there? Pawlenty, that wrestling weirdo that wanted to come back as a swimsuit... Must be something in the water.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:47:06pm |
re: #74 Sharmuta
expect more of that...local militias...ahhh it's like the 90's all over again..
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:00pm |
re: #70 Desert Dog
He should talk about more important things, like the Federal Reserve's secret powers, the coming take over the USA by the UN and the new world currency that is going to replace the greenback.
/please, no
Hey, the Huffington Post has even been pushing the Federal Reserve conspiracy. I think the whole country has gone mad -- from time to time.
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cliffster Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:02pm |
re: #67 Charles
Pawlenty and Perry are pandering to the racists and "sovereign citizen" kooks with this stuff. I have no doubt at all about this.
Or maybe they believe in limiting the power of the federal government. That sounds like good stuff. I'm not sure why you would be so convinced they are hint-hint-nudge-nudge'ing with racists, when the topic of Federal Rights stands just fine on its own.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:31pm |
I composed a little note for 9/11, but I can't help but think it's better to post it in the morning so more people can see it.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:42pm |
re: #71 TheMatrix31
Of course, I can never speak for others, but race certainly wasn't MY objection to being opposed to him.
All that marxism, redistribution of wealth, "grey capitalism" that needs to be replaced with eco-green nonsense did it for me...his race had nothing to do with my dislike of him...nothing
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Salamantis Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:43pm |
re: #76 Boondock St. Bender
expect more of that...local militias...ahhh it's like the 90's all over again..
Please no. I don't wanna see a repeat of Ruby Ridge, Waco, and OK City...or worse...
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Bagua Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:48:59pm |
re: #71 TheMatrix31
Of course, I can never speak for others, but race certainly wasn't MY objection to being opposed to him.
No, I don't mean to encompass everyone, and I fully expect that a large percentage of the braying mob was consciously unaware of the racial undertones and that it was in fact a post-modern lynching.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:49:11pm |
re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh just whining I suppose... I am just tired of all of this political crap.
Tired of creationists, race baiting and racists, all these dipshits in politics, and the flamewar that ensues every time an opposing viewpoint is flashed around.
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The Left Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:49:21pm |
Gov Perry has pandered to the Texas secessionists just as long as he can get away with it.
He mysteriously stayed away from the capitol last week, when the secessionists, inspired by him, held a rally there. I wonder why?
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cliffster Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:49:49pm |
re: #79 TheMatrix31
I composed a little note for 9/11, but I can't help but think it's better to post it in the morning so more people can see it.
That depends on whether it's any good :)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:03pm |
re: #74 Sharmuta
I just sent you something.
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Bagua Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:07pm |
re: #83 jeremy0114
Oh just whining I suppose... I am just tired of all of this political crap.
Tired of creationists, race baiting and racists, all these dipshits in politics, and the flamewar that ensues every time an opposing viewpoint is flashed around.
Well, there's a quick solution to that!
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freetoken Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:34pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
What a video... ought to be played more.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:50:50pm |
re: #81 Salamantis
agreed,hopefully there won't be.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:51:06pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
Gov Perry has pandered to the Texas secessionists just as long as he can get away with it.
He mysteriously stayed away from the capitol last week, when the secessionists, inspired by him, held a rally there. I wonder why?
[Video]
Like I said in another post, the very darkest threads of American history are coming back to light.
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:51:55pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
Gov Perry has pandered to the Texas secessionists just as long as he can get away with it.
He mysteriously stayed away from the capitol last week, when the secessionists, inspired by him, held a rally there. I wonder why?
"We hate the United States"
Dey took er jobs!
Right. Make Texas a "country." Austin can be Berlin.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:51:55pm |
re: #83 jeremy0114
It's not a flame war- it's called a debate. And the fact we have debates at this blog shows we're not an echo chamber. If you would like an echo chamber- there are many other blogs where you could spend your time.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:52:43pm |
re: #87 Bagua
Zing! Wow...
Unfortunately it is only responsible to inform yourself, more than ever.
I guess there is also a quick solution to getting tired of your job as well... But quitting may not be an option.
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Gus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:53:14pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
Gov Perry has pandered to the Texas secessionists just as long as he can get away with it.
He mysteriously stayed away from the capitol last week, when the secessionists, inspired by him, held a rally there. I wonder why?
"We hate the United States"
Powerline links to this guy in 3, 2, 1...
//
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Salamantis Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:53:23pm |
Here's what this shit could devolve into all over again if we aren't careful:
[Link: video.google.com...]
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:54:39pm |
re: #83 jeremy0114
we all get overwhelmed at times,sometimes a break is good to re-charge the batteries.scroll over is also helpful,read the jokes and lighter banter that are a part of almost every thread here,rejoin the fracas when you feel fiesty!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:54:42pm |
Good night all...it's waaay past my beddy bye time. Have fun, play nice
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:40pm |
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jeremy0114 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:42pm |
re: #93 Sharmuta
Wow... just seems that debating had a little less "you did it first" attached to it.
But I guess I would be more comfortable at a different blog that is an 'echo chamber'? I don't believe that what I was saying or the point I was getting at, if there was a point at all...
I think youre right Boondock, maybe I need a break from taking all this in...
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cliffster Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:47pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
I think Perry jokes about seceding. Everyone in TX jokes about seceding. You read spooky undertones and put Perry right there with that cowboy hat dufus if you like.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:56:56pm |
Zen proverb
I have a Zen Xtra, Zen V Plus and my wife has a Zen.
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Cygnus Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:57:04pm |
re: #33 Charles
Creationist governor Tim Pawlenty is taking a dive off the deep end into Ron Paul territory. This is a guy who's being touted as a front runner for President in 2012.
Lutefiskatopia Now!
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:58:00pm |
re: #79 TheMatrix31
I composed a little note for 9/11, but I can't help but think it's better to post it in the morning so more people can see it.
Today (well tomorrow, its 23:53 here) is the 8th anniversary of, besides the obvious of 9/11, the day that:
I ceased being a proto-paulian libertarian.
I stopped believing in overly complicated conspiracy theories involving Rothschilds, the Bilderberg Group, the CFR, the Illuminati, etc. and told those wackos to fuck off in no uncertain terms.
I realized I knew jack and shit and jack left town, and decided to get real about politics and start voting.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:58:46pm |
re: #106 ArchangelMichael
Today (well tomorrow, its 23:53 here) is the 8th anniversary of, besides the obvious of 9/11, the day that:
I ceased being a proto-paulian libertarian.
I stopped believing in overly complicated conspiracy theories involving Rothschilds, the Bilderberg Group, the CFR, the Illuminati, etc. and told those wackos to fuck off in no uncertain terms.
I realized I knew jack and shit and jack left town, and decided to get real about politics and start voting.
Again the world is full of bastards...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:59:14pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:00:14am |
re: #102 jeremy0114
sure,it can get intense around here at times.some folks thrive on stimulation,others can be overwhelmed at times...it happens to me too.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:00:24am |
September 11 is also the day we lost John Ritter.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:00:39am |
My father died in 1999. He fought in WW II.
The most heartrending thing about 9-11 for me personally was watching my mother crying tears of joy that my father never lived to see it.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:01:11am |
re: #102 jeremy0114
If you don't have a point, I won't bother- and have a nice night.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:01:38am |
re: #96 Salamantis
Here's what this shit could devolve into all over again if we aren't careful:
[Link: video.google.com...]
Or this...
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:02:13am |
re: #95 Gus 802
Powerline links to this guy in 3, 2, 1...
//
Powerline sucks. They've sucked for ages. On the left we call the 3 of them the "powertools". Did they just delink LGF? Did I read that somewhere here? -- good riddance.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:03:23am |
re: #115 iceweasel
Powerline sucks. They've sucked for ages. On the left we call the 3 of them the "powertools". Did they just delink LGF? Did I read that somewhere here? -- good riddance.
He did and linked to the moron Gateway Pundit and some other blog.
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Picayune Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:04:19am |
re: #4 Charles
Thank you Charles for the truth, that some younger folks here may not be aware of, as this man is all that you stated. He may be the new DC Mayor, Marion Barry, but then NY's former gov is trying a redo, and the Gov of SC is twisting in the wind to hang on, while Blago drones on to court.
Screw'em, and search for men/women of principal/integrity/honesty, if you can find'em.
For: "Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder."
George Washington
And if that's not enough: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master".
George Washington
So be very careful in whom you vote for in US elections, and, nowadays, make damn sure that your vote actually counts (looking at you OBOMACORN).
Hey, let's not be Cowards, let's have this frank discussion of vote fraud, AG Holder. How many States have filed voter reg/voter fraud charges now against Obama's first client, ACORN, is it now 15?
And their Baltimore Chapter is now all the rage for Crime Doggin Advice to all comers (but only on FOX, so keep it quite from the Main Stream Obey Obama Media (MSOOM)!
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:04:28am |
re: #103 cliffster
I think Perry jokes about seceding. Everyone in TX jokes about seceding. You read spooky undertones and put Perry right there with that cowboy hat dufus if you like.
No, he didn't joke. He showed up at a tea party and suggested TX could secede.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I know the link is HuffPo, but they have video footage.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:04:49am |
Dear Powerline- thanks for linking to LGF 5 years ago. I read your blog for a few minutes when I discovered a blogroll, and I've been reading LGF ever since. I think that says it all. Have fun defending pawlenty! Bye.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:05:16am |
re: #115 iceweasel
Powerline sucks. They've sucked for ages. On the left we call the 3 of them the "powertools". Did they just delink LGF? Did I read that somewhere here? -- good riddance.
The other one was Big Hollywood. They have the genius Victoria Jackson posting there.
Meanwhile Andrew Breitbart is snorting coke or doing some kind of drug.
Shwing!
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:05:39am |
For anyone, who like myself, is a fan of the movie Big Trouble in Little China, September 11, 2001 also cost us the actor Victor Wong who played "Egg Chen".
He was recovering from multiple strokes and stayed up all day and night on 9/11 to try to find out if his children living in NYC were ok.
He died of heart failure the next day.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:05:55am |
re: #116 Gus 802
He did and linked to the moron Gateway Pundit and some other blog.
Fuck Gateway Pundit too. That place is a lunatic asylum. The comments are a nightmare. I think years ago they were relatively sane (like 4 or 5 years?) but they're a pit now.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:08:38am |
re: #115 iceweasel
screw-em although alot of conservatives come here,LGF has never been a conservative blog.(I believe charles made that point when LGF was up for "best conservative blog"award a couple of years ago)And it most certainly has never benn a crazy cult of conspiracy blog either.we are the "anti-idiotarian headquarters"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:08:42am |
re: #84 iceweasel
That little group of munted-brained secessionists can grab up their sorry little asses and go looking for a better country. My motto always has been, and always will be, "Not one square inch of American soil. Not one."
Your average, everyday Texan is proud to be an American, and this average, everyday Californian is proud to stand with Texans who believe in American Exceptionalism.
If that little group hates this country so much, they can hump it to Cuba, or Hati, or wherever. If they think they can hold my fellow American's lives and properties hostage in Texas...
Not. One. Square. Inch.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:08:50am |
re: #122 iceweasel
Fuck Gateway Pundit too. That place is a lunatic asylum. The comments are a nightmare. I think years ago they were relatively sane (like 4 or 5 years?) but they're a pit now.
It's the lowest common denominator. Although, we do know which is the lowest and now Robert Spencer is hanging out with the misogynists at Blogmocracy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:08:57am |
Now my one obligatory line about the anniversary...
I have not forgotten. I do not forgive. If you think it was a good thing that happened you are my enemy and we here in the US are still not scared of you.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:08:59am |
re: #89 freetoken
What a video... ought to be played more.
Yes, and then I want people like Gateway Pundit to explain to me again how all democrats and liberals and 'coastal elites' and citydwellers are 'traitors', and how these folks are real salt of the earth gen-u-wine Murkins.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:09:58am |
re: #127 iceweasel
Yes, and then I want people like Gateway Pundit to explain to me again how all democrats and liberals and 'coastal elites' and citydwellers are 'traitors', and how these folks are real salt of the earth gen-u-wine Murkins.
Itz cuz of all of that edumication you keep throwing 'round and saying you iz smarter an' stuff.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:10:24am |
re: #127 iceweasel
Yes, and then I want people like Gateway Pundit to explain to me again how all democrats and liberals and 'coastal elites' and citydwellers are 'traitors', and how these folks are real salt of the earth gen-u-wine Murkins.
Have you ever seen Uncle Jimbo?
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:12:06am |
re: #118 iceweasel
Yes, I've seen Perry talking about seceding and like I said, it's old-west BS. Doesn't matter, I'm not a fan of Perry and he's going to get his ass handed to him by Kay Bailey. The point is that the issue of shrinking, instead of growing, the federal government is an extremely legitimate one. Linking the notion to crazy people, or racists, doesn't make it any less important.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:12:30am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:12:36am |
re: #102 jeremy0114
Right. What? What was your point?
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:12:59am |
re: #129 Gus 802
Have you ever seen Uncle Jimbo?
heh...I believe so. I have some other dirt on a sketchy and very fringe conservative, but I might save that for another overnight thread...
Uncle Jimbo is that whackjob ex-sorta milblogger who now posts at Ace, right? or crossposts there?
heh. I have some funny stories about ace too...
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:13:10am |
re: #57 Charles
Top GOP politicians are now using language and concepts from the pro-segregation movement.
It's getting harder and harder for me to avoid the conclusion that there's a very deep undercurrent of racism in all this.
It's the Birchers reasserting themselves after all these years. They're picking up right where they left off.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:15:38am |
re: #135 iceweasel
used to like to read ace,lately though he seems to be hitting the val-u-rite a little hard.shame
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:16:13am |
re: #135 iceweasel
heh...I believe so. I have some other dirt on a sketchy and very fringe conservative, but I might save that for another overnight thread...
Uncle Jimbo is that whackjob ex-sorta milblogger who now posts at Ace, right? or crossposts there?
heh. I have some funny stories about ace too...
The man has more than a few regressive genes.
I remember the first video I saw of him involved him threatening to beat someone up. He's a lowlife loser. If one were to quantify his "intelligence" Uncle Jimbo is probably around the 7th grade level and his following around the 4th grade level.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:16:36am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:16:47am |
re: #123 Boondock St. Bender
screw-em although alot of conservatives come here,LGF has never been a conservative blog.(I believe charles made that point when LGF was up for "best conservative blog"award a couple of years ago)And it most certainly has never benn a crazy cult of conspiracy blog either.we are the "anti-idiotarian headquarters"
Yes- it seems that some people never really figured out that meant something.
Also- having read Goldwater and Buckley- I don't think many on the right are conservatives. They hijacked the term and applied it to themselves with Reagan. Anti-idiotarian might be a concept for a new political movement like "conservative" was for Goldwater.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:17:08am |
re: #137 Boondock St. Bender
used to like to read ace,lately though he seems to be hitting the val-u-rite a little hard.shame
A little?
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:17:15am |
On this terrible anniversary, I will say this once:
If Obama pulls us out of Afghanistan without our carrying the heads of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar on pikes with us as we leave, I will never forgive him.
No matter what else he does or does not do or say.
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Picayune Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:18:15am |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Like you, I tripped into Charles's saloon, cause of Powerline. At the time they both were doing Big Lifting, for which I have always commended them both.
As US Sen. Barry Goldwater (AUH20) said, "life is a long chain of friends" and we all need friends these days. Lord it's hard to be humble. And Sharm, you normally are just that.
Got to go, MRS Pic has a cancer research meeting in CHI today. No offense meant.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:18:57am |
re: #131 cliffster
It's the language.some terms have a loaded history.
reagan often spoke of shrinking the federal govt.and limiting it's power overreach,but was careful not to use terms such as states rights or secession
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:19:37am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:20:36am |
re: #142 Salamantis
On this terrible anniversary, I will say this once:
If Obama pulls us out of Afghanistan without our carrying the heads of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar on pikes with us as we leave, I will never forgive him.
No matter what else he does or does not do or say.
I strongly suspect we got at least one of them.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:21:55am |
OK I don't think it's productive to look at or talk about that other place, but Someone sent me some comments from the Village of the Banned, and I must say this is my favourite bad argument ever there:
I don’t buy that Jimmah is even from this country. No true scotsman would write like that. At best he’s a pansy southerner with pretensions of gaelic heritage. Probably an American with some tenuous link to Oban.
So...they have just made a "No True Scotsman" argument...about a true Scotsman.
Avalanche of Fail!
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:23:10am |
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:23:16am |
re: #144 Boondock St. Bender
It's the language.some terms have a loaded history.
reagan often spoke of shrinking the federal govt.and limiting it's power overreach,but was careful not to use terms such as states rights or secession
That's fair. But the non-loaded history far pre-dates the loaded history. The term "state's rights" had been around long before being hijacked. And people have been saying (tongue-in-cheek, of course), "let's secede!" since Texas was graciously offered a place in the union.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:24:05am |
Definitely in the mood for something from a time when life was less, shall we say, so encumbered with technologically enabled hate:
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:24:47am |
Foo on Youtube with all the banning of embed.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:24:58am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:25:14am |
re: #148 iceweasel
OK I don't think it's productive to look at or talk about that other place, but Someone sent me some comments from the Village of the Banned, and I must say this is my favourite bad argument ever there:
So...they have just made a "No True Scotsman" argument...about a true Scotsman.
Avalanche of Fail!
Don't say that - they will think that you are a castrating bitch...
Ohhh - I'm sticking up for myself too much... Sorry mistress... please leave the whip down...
I still love what they say about us...
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:26:11am |
Youtube really needs to find a way to mark (clearly) that a video is not embedable.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:26:14am |
re: #142 Salamantis
On this terrible anniversary, I will say this once:
If Obama pulls us out of Afghanistan without our carrying the heads of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar on pikes with us as we leave, I will never forgive him.
No matter what else he does or does not do or say.
bin Laden may be a challenge. I'm near certain he was more or less vaporized at Tora Bora; there hasn't been a single video of him since, and in the last couple of years Zawahiri has all but replaced him as leader of al Quaeda.
I kinda doubt Zawahiri is in Afghanistan. Just a gut feeling, but I think it's more likely he's in Pakistan.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:26:47am |
re: #155 freetoken
Youtube really needs to find a way to mark (clearly) that a video is not embedable.
It's on the right sidebar.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:27:01am |
re: #148 iceweasel
OK I don't think it's productive to look at or talk about that other place, but Someone sent me some comments from the Village of the Banned, and I must say this is my favourite bad argument ever there:
So...they have just made a "No True Scotsman" argument...about a true Scotsman.
Avalanche of Fail!
Those morons would make quite an intellectual leap if they understood the concept of No True Scotsman. Of course what can one expect if they are being led by the equally ignorant miscreants of the internet.
You ever listen to Ed Morrisey?
Um, duh-e.
/Sorry I've been drinking tonight.
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:27:56am |
re: #112 Salamantis
My father died in 1999. He fought in WW II.
The most heartrending thing about 9-11 for me personally was watching my mother crying tears of joy that my father never lived to see it.
My grandfather fought in World War II under Patton in the 3rd Army. He rejoined the Army after his original enlistment was completed in 1941. He was at Bastogne. He saw concentration camps with his own eyes and stepped foot in Berchtesgarten. I have "souvenirs" from the Eagle's Nest in my home. This was a true American Patriot who went and fought for his country, against the homeland his grandfather came to the US from in the 1860s. He went on to start a family and work his ass off for 40 years to provide for them.
He passed away May 25, 2001.
I was crushed and still miss him. There is one thing I am thankful for though. He did not have to live through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11, and did not have to see the 7 years of BDS and moonbattery that followed.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:28:12am |
re: #156 SixDegrees
bin Laden may be a challenge. I'm near certain he was more or less vaporized at Tora Bora; there hasn't been a single video of him since, and in the last couple of years Zawahiri has all but replaced him as leader of al Quaeda.
I kinda doubt Zawahiri is in Afghanistan. Just a gut feeling, but I think it's more likely he's in Pakistan.
I don't care if he is, beyond finding his scrofulous ass; I just don't want him to be able to sashay triumphantly back into Afghanistan after we bug out.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:28:30am |
Andrew Breitbart.
Stand in for a Marlon Brando character.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:28:50am |
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:29:26am |
re: #157 Sharmuta
So it is... but it is very easy to overlook.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:30:30am |
re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote
It's pretty clear that tonight we are 180 degrees out of phase.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:31:51am |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
I mean, think about it. You wake up one morning, getting ready to go to work, and you turn on the morning news to hear your Governor say:
"Good citizens of [insert your state], as of 6:32 am on This Day of Our Lord, your dutifully elected officials have decided to break from The Union, declare our Rightful Sovereignty, and sever all ties to the United States of America.
Until such a time that proper trade and travel agreements can be negotiated, all interstate commerce is hereby restricted. Good luck, and God Bless."
Where is your food going to come from? Where is your gas/oil going to come from? Your medical supplies? Your plastic/rubber components (derived from petroleum products) for industry? Your refined commodities?
Where are these things going to come from? Cuba? France? Germany? Where?
Tell me how my fellow Americans won't be held hostage by secessionist mad men should something like this happen?
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:31:58am |
re: #160 Salamantis
I don't care if he is, beyond finding his scrofulous ass; I just don't want him to be able to sashay triumphantly back into Afghanistan after we bug out.
Yeah, but word is that George Will has spoken and he want "us" to pull out. This was followed by some consideration by the so called conservative network "Fox News." If they can find a way to talk us into withdrawing from Afghanistan to make Obama look bad they'll do it.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:32:56am |
re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote
Don't say that - they will think that you are a castrating bitch...
Ohhh - I'm sticking up for myself too much... Sorry mistress... please leave the whip down...
I still love what they say about us...
I got sent those comments too!
WTF? I thought you were JOKING when you said they had two theories about you-- one that you were a beta male with a dominatrix wife, and the other that you and I were in a D/s relationship...But it's true, they are saying that!
Crack that whip!
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Aye Pod Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:33:09am |
re: #148 iceweasel
OK I don't think it's productive to look at or talk about that other place, but Someone sent me some comments from the Village of the Banned, and I must say this is my favourite bad argument ever there:
So...they have just made a "No True Scotsman" argument...about a true Scotsman.
Avalanche of Fail!
That's just hilarious, iDub. They have no idea the sheer comedy they provide! And why Oban of all places? And why would anyone pretend to be Scots on an American site in the first place? Same reason a 'Brit' like yourself would pretend to be American I guess///.
Probably best not to attempt to ponder their 'logic' too deeply though - I'll just say it never fails to amuse me the utter shite that flies through these folks heads.
Gotta dash now - night all :)
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:33:59am |
There's a lot to be said for lullabies, especially when they are in a foreign language.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:34:34am |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
It won't happen. Nobody is seceding from the union. 350 guys with beards and shotguns can't all get together, sign a secession document in blood, and have it be true. So don't let it keep you up at night ;)
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:34:58am |
re: #168 iceweasel
I just hope they don't find out about us.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:37:13am |
re: #172 Sharmuta
I just hope they don't find out about us.
I don't know. It really says a lot to say that. That shows you how evil these people really are.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:37:47am |
re: #164 freetoken
It's pretty clear that tonight we are 180 degrees out of phase.
Let's compromise, with what I think is the greatest scene in all of anime.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:39:10am |
re: #160 Salamantis
I don't care if he is, beyond finding his scrofulous ass; I just don't want him to be able to sashay triumphantly back into Afghanistan after we bug out.
I'm not sure he has a scrofulous ass to find. bin Laden, that is.
Grabbing Zawahiri, if he's in Pakistan, may be problematic unless he's in one of the border regions where we can operate with relative impunity and we get lucky. Sending troops into a sovereign country isn't something countries take lightly, and could very well demolish what fragile stability currently exists there.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:41:21am |
And my fav anime song of all time...
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:41:25am |
I'm off to bed, have a good evening lizards.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:41:58am |
The motherfuckers at Google have NOTHING up.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:42:12am |
re: #174 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes the episode where most people fall in love with Cowboy Bebop
spike,nothing but cool.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:42:34am |
re: #175 SixDegrees
I'm not sure he has a scrofulous ass to find. bin Laden, that is.
Grabbing Zawahiri, if he's in Pakistan, may be problematic unless he's in one of the border regions where we can operate with relative impunity and we get lucky. Sending troops into a sovereign country isn't something countries take lightly, and could very well demolish what fragile stability currently exists there.
That genocidal bastard cost us 3000 unarmed and innocent civilian citizens who were simply trying to get on with their lives and provide for their families.
I do not give a goddamned flying fuck at a zircon-encrusted rolling doughnut WHAT the 'difficulties' are; I don't wanna leave Afghanistan until we HAVE the motherfucker!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:44:03am |
re: #171 cliffster
It won't keep me up at night, as I know that little butthurt group of munted asshats are nothing more than a little group of butthurt, munted asshats.
Morons, the lot of them. If I could afford to buy them tickets to their dream country, I would finance every one.
I'm simply throwing out a "What If?" type thing.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:44:07am |
re: #180 Salamantis
That genocidal bastard cost us 3000 unarmed and innocent civilian citizens who were simply trying to get on with their lives and provide for their families.
I do not give a goddamned flying fuck at a zircon-encrusted rolling doughnut WHAT the 'difficulties' are; I don't wanna leave Afghanistan until we HAVE the motherfucker!
Sure. Let's let rage dictate our strategy. Good plan.
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:44:31am |
re: #175 SixDegrees
I'm not sure he has a scrofulous ass to find. bin Laden, that is.
Grabbing Zawahiri, if he's in Pakistan, may be problematic unless he's in one of the border regions where we can operate with relative impunity and we get lucky. Sending troops into a sovereign country isn't something countries take lightly, and could very well demolish what fragile stability currently exists there.
That's what these are for.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:44:36am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:45:42am |
re: #179 Boondock St. Bender
Yes the episode where most people fall in love with Cowboy Bebop
spike,nothing but cool.
I have a lifelong love of anime - the cool stuff, without tentacles in it...
That said, Bebop is my current fav and it is likely to stay there for some time.
Though Karas was pretty awesome too.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:46:14am |
re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth
It won't keep me up at night, as I know that little butthurt group of munted asshats are nothing more than a little group of butthurt, munted asshats.
Morons, the lot of them. If I could afford to buy them tickets to their dream country, I would finance every one.
I'm simply throwing out a "What If?" type thing.
We all have our own ways of expressing our discontent with the government...
/
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:46:51am |
re: #182 SixDegrees
Sure. Let's let rage dictate our strategy. Good plan.
YOU'RE GODDAMNED RIGHT! Just retribution is EMINENTLY called for!Better rage-steeled steadfast conviction and perseverence than to compromise our hunt for a genocidal terrorist just rabid-dog slavering to do it to us again!
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:47:02am |
re: #182 SixDegrees
Sure. Let's let rage dictate our strategy. Good plan.
Rage, Rage, against the dying of the Right!
/sorry, couldn't resist dylan thomas allusion
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:47:49am |
re: #186 cliffster
True. And talk of secession is for dumbshits. Dumbshits that care nothing for the well-being of their fellow citizens.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:47:51am |
I thought I'd save my 9/11 memories on the thread Charles will provide for us tomorrow, but I'll share a little now.
I woke up late that morning, jumped in and out of the shower, and turned the TV on to catch the weather. I saw a tower with smoke pouring out of it. I thought- holy hell. Then I saw the second plane strike. Just like that. My first thought was this was intentional, and I needed to go vote immediately because that's exactly what these bastards were trying to stop- freedom and democracy. Ten minutes later, I gave a finger to those fuckers, and cast a ballot.
I will never forget.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:48:46am |
re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote
bebop is mine as well(as you can see)i have been enjoying "bleach" though
My blackberry screen is the bebop titlescreen
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:50:28am |
re: #186 cliffster
We all have our own ways of expressing our discontent with the government...
Perhaps I am perverse... but I have far more discontentment with my society around me than I have for the organs of government.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:51:17am |
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:51:33am |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:52:26am |
re: #175 SixDegrees
I'm not sure he has a scrofulous ass to find. bin Laden, that is.
Grabbing Zawahiri, if he's in Pakistan, may be problematic unless he's in one of the border regions where we can operate with relative impunity and we get lucky. Sending troops into a sovereign country isn't something countries take lightly, and could very well demolish what fragile stability currently exists there.
If they get Zawahiri someone will take his place. Which is not to say that they shouldn't "get him." But logic tells me he would be replaced. You can't change a culture by capturing one leader. It's unfortunate but this isn't like shooting down Yamamoto during his travels and hoping to end a war which didn't work anyway. And if they do get Zawahiri it's not like these Jihadists are going to say "damn, they got our leader, we better quit."
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:54:34am |
re: #191 Boondock St. Bender
bebop is mine as well(as you can see)i have been enjoying "bleach" though
My blackberry screen is the bebop titlescreen
Where is LaZardo? I think he's the person who told me about this wacky anime where its some kind of future dystopia and an ecoterrorist japanese schoolgirl and her friends (which include a transsexual) fight evil corporations and pollution. I saw some of it and it was great! Damn my short term memory.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:55:34am |
re: #197 Gus 802
I'd still rather get the fucker. I want that bastard to fry.
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:57:46am |
re: #198 iceweasel
I haven't seen that one.if you get the name let me know i'll ck.it out
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Boondock St. Bender Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:59:14am |
re: #198 iceweasel
And what is it with the japanese and trans-sexuals?I think every anime has at least one!
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 12:59:41am |
re: #199 TheMatrix31
I'd still rather get the fucker. I want that bastard to fry.
I don't want him to get a moment's peace from the pursuit until we have him in chains or have DNA identified his body.
And we don't get there, or protect ourselves against a 9-11 repetition, by abandoning the best base from which to pursue him - the very place which we seized from him, and to which he would return as soon as we left, with emboldened jihadis flocking to their triumphant Saladin by the bloodthirsty hordes.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:01:19am |
re: #201 Boondock St. Bender
I thing the Japanese invented the transaxle.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:02:09am |
re: #149 freetoken
Love it.
Cheers, FT, kind of like that one myself! I'd like to see it known as the Village of the Banned, hee. That's what it is.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:03:50am |
re: #199 TheMatrix31
I'd still rather get the fucker. I want that bastard to fry.
I would too but it still won't change anything in the long run. It's been 8 years and we're still "looking for him" but that's actually not an accurate description of the overall strategy. We're not there looking for specific targets but targets of opportunity and regional stability like in the Swat Valley. Then you have to take into account that Pakistan and India have been attempting to stabilize the region for decades now. India last wanted to nuke Pakistan. Afghanistan is a major producer of opium which is sold in the United States and Hamid Karzai's brother is drug lord and many consider him "Taliban Lite." It's not that easy.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:04:35am |
re: #196 iceweasel
Can I borrow your cherry chapstick?
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:06:36am |
re: #201 Boondock St. Bender
And what is it with the japanese and trans-sexuals?
Usually at this point I jump in with a youtube video... but I will spare you tonight.
A popular term for transexuals is ニューハーフ ("newhalf"), and there is one (Tsubaki Ayana) who has several videos up on youtube.
For me... doesn't do the same thing as the real deal
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:07:12am |
re: #206 Gus 802
I would too but it still won't change anything in the long run. It's been 8 years and we're still "looking for him" but that's actually not an accurate description of the overall strategy. We're not there looking for specific targets but targets of opportunity and regional stability like in the Swat Valley. Then you have to take into account that Pakistan and India have been attempting to stabilize the region for decades now. India last wanted to nuke Pakistan. Afghanistan is a major producer of opium which is sold in the United States and Hamid Karzai's brother is drug lord and many consider him "Taliban Lite." It's not that easy.
It wasn't easy for Israel to hunt down the remaining high-level Nazis who fled Germany, either. But they never stopped hunting them, and in the end they got them, even those who traveled to the ends of the earth.
After what that genocidal SOB did to our country, I expect no less of us.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:08:17am |
re: #191 Boondock St. Bender
bebop is mine as well(as you can see)i have been enjoying "bleach" though
My blackberry screen is the bebop titlescreen
Don't forget Samurai Shamploo...
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:08:26am |
re: #209 Salamantis
It wasn't easy for Israel to hunt down the remaining high-level Nazis who fled Germany, either. But they never stopped hunting them, and in the end they got them, even those who traveled to the ends of the earth.
After what that genocidal SOB did to our country, I expect no less of us.
But that was dealing with uniformed and documented officers and members of the 3rd Reich. We have one or two names now but the rest are basically unidentified. It's not as "easy."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:08:59am |
re: #190 Sharmuta
My recount of what was happening in my life at the time would pretty much suck.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:09:06am |
re: #208 freetoken
Usually at this point I jump in with a youtube video... but I will spare you tonight.
A popular term for transexuals is ニューハーフ ("newhalf"), and there is one (Tsubaki Ayana) who has several videos up on youtube.
For me... doesn't do the same thing as the real deal
Again your taste is impeccable.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:10:14am |
re: #207 Sharmuta
Can I borrow your cherry chapstick?
I love that song.
Here...sinister commie Russian lesbian schoolgirls in the rain...I mean, that documentary about us Comrade!
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:10:51am |
re: #211 Gus 802
But that was dealing with uniformed and documented officers and members of the 3rd Reich. We have one or two names now but the rest are basically unidentified. It's not as "easy."
I mentioned three:
Bin Laden
Zawahiri
Mullah Omar
There was a fourth - Atef - but we killed him on our way into Afghanistan.
We should unswervingly pursue the other three until we have their wrists in shackles or bits of their blood scraped off rocks in test tubes.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:12:02am |
re: #215 Salamantis
I mentioned three:
Bin Laden
Zawahiri
Mullah OmarThere was a fourth - Atef - but we killed him on our way into Afghanistan.
We should unswervingly pursue the other three until we have their wrists in shackles or bits of their blood scraped off rocks in test tubes.
Understood. I've argued for raising the reward monies.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:12:19am |
re: #213 LudwigVanQuixote
Again your taste is impeccable.
Well thank you, but it is easy to be impeccable when one picks the #1 Gravure idol in the world...
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:12:58am |
It would dishonor the memories of those who died on 9-11, and dishonor ourselves, if we ever tired and wearied of pursuing their murderers.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:13:35am |
re: #218 Salamantis
It would dishonor the memories of those who died on 9-11, and dishonor ourselves, if we ever tired and wearied of pursuing their murderers.
I can't argue with that.
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idioma Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:14:26am |
All of this health care debating is getting me down.
Real down.
Like, "I don't want to hear about it anymore" down.
I was thrilled election night 2008, not because of who won, but because it meant the election year (with a few loose ends) was finally over!
It hasn't gotten any better though, has it?
It's September, and people are still acting like they're on a campaign.
Like they still have a few more weeks to block Obama's run for the White House or something. The other day I saw a Prius with a Gore 2000 bumper sticker, and I knew it wasn't just the GOP that suffers from nostalgia.
As 2009 transitions from a summer spent, and a winter earned, I look to changing leaves, the first snowfall, and finally being afforded "two-thousand-and..." becoming "twenty-...".
But Twenty-Ten will be an election year.
There is no respite.
A needle in my vein would provide a lesser fix; when pitted against our political climate.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:16:27am |
re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth
{Sleepy B}
If I recounted my entire day- the ending of it sucked completely. Not as much as the families of those lost, though- so I tend to not discuss it. Pales in comparison and I feel my shitty day should remain mine, and the focus on 9/11 should be for those we remember.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:17:33am |
Penn speaks on the health care fear mongering.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:18:02am |
I have my ideas of what should be done to them if they're ever captured, but I don't know if they're LGF-friendly.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:18:11am |
re: #221 Sharmuta
{Sleepy B}
If I recounted my entire day- the ending of it sucked completely. Not as much as the families of those lost, though- so I tend to not discuss it. Pales in comparison and I feel my shitty day should remain mine, and the focus on 9/11 should be for those we remember.
I woke up late and thought it was a radio drama playing on NPR. When I finally figured out what was going on I was one angry man.
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idioma Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:19:48am |
re: #225 Gus 802
I got so angry that day, I decided to enlist. Not the best or worst decision I ever made, but a mixed bag for sure.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:20:11am |
re: #221 Sharmuta
{Sleepy B}
If I recounted my entire day- the ending of it sucked completely. Not as much as the families of those lost, though- so I tend to not discuss it. Pales in comparison and I feel my shitty day should remain mine, and the focus on 9/11 should be for those we remember.
BTW, I won't be posting my 9/11 memories and will most likely need to avoid all threads about it.
Should anyone make any kind of shitty comment like "I see our progressive posters have mysteriously avoided these threads", I politely urge them to go fuck themselves. Some of us are at family memorial services and the like.
That is all.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:20:21am |
re: #224 TheMatrix31
I have my ideas of what should be done to them if they're ever captured, but I don't know if they're LGF-friendly.
I'd like to have them chained in the middle of Times Square, and allow every New Yorker the chance to slap each of them just once...until the millions of slaps totally obliterated them.
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idioma Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:20:40am |
If anyone would like to see ground zero live: [Link: www.earthcam.com...]
I can't believe it's 2009 and we have not rebuilt a damn thing.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:21:00am |
re: #226 idioma
I got so angry that day, I decided to enlist. Not the best or worst decision I ever made, but a mixed bag for sure.
My nephew almost enlisted. If I told you what I was thinking that day I would get banned from here right now. Time has changed that.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:21:58am |
re: #228 Salamantis
I'd like to have them chained in the middle of Times Square, and allow every New Yorker the chance to slap each of them just once...until the millions of slaps totally obliterated them.
My idea is similar. Replace "slap" with "beat the fuck out of".
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:24:19am |
Just removed powerline from my favorites list. Seems like a damn shame, too: They were the first conservative blog I consistently read, and were how I found LGF.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:24:20am |
re: #221 Sharmuta
{Sharm} Prepare to feel just a little bit better.
I was in a spot. I was reduced to eating one hot-dog per day, and nothing else, in order to stretch out what I had left. I was out of hot dogs.
I woke up late, after every thing had happened. As shallow as this sounds, I was more concerned about where my next bit of food would come from than what was on the news.
I ain't proud of it, but I was in a spot.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:25:27am |
re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth
{Sharm} Prepare to feel just a little bit better.
I was in a spot. I was reduced to eating one hot-dog per day, and nothing else, in order to stretch out what I had left. I was out of hot dogs.
I woke up late, after every thing had happened. As shallow as this sounds, I was more concerned about where my next bit of food would come from than what was on the news.
I ain't proud of it, but I was in a spot.
Not shallow at all, honey. Not at all.
{SB}
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:29:52am |
re: #234 MisterCookie
HI, I haven't visited that site recently, but I did follow it for several years after 911. What specifically soured you on it?
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:29:58am |
re: #231 Gus 802
My nephew almost enlisted. If I told you what I was thinking that day I would get banned from here right now. Time has changed that.
The kind of visceral animus their actions ignited in me that terrible day does not flare as brightly as at first it did, but still ever steady smoulders, and it will never be extinguished for as long as they shall live, and even after.
I will hate them for what they did to our country even after they are dead, and, in fact, until I am.
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:32:35am |
re: #237 BatGuano
Well, they've run some posts endorsing some people associating themselves with European fascist groups. Plus, they delinked Charles, which is a good enough reason for me to delink them.
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:38:37am |
[Link: powerlineblog.com...]
Oh my fucking God, one of the readers(might have to click the view responses link) is suggesting adding Gates of Vienna. Seriously, fuck the right wing. I'm going to register as Independent next election. This has to stop. Both of my grandfathers nearly died trying to fight fascists- and now we're embracing them?
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:39:12am |
re: #238 Salamantis
The kind of visceral animus their actions ignited in me that terrible day does not flare as brightly as at first it did, but still ever steady smoulders, and it will never be extinguished for as long as they shall live, and even after.
I will hate them for what they did to our country even after they are dead, and, in fact, until I am.
I still think we're recovering. That day changed America in many ways. More so than WWII. 8 years later here we are.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:39:30am |
re: #239 MisterCookie
I just scrolled through the site and found the reference to LGF. Iowahawk did the same thing. I wonder if it was for the same reason?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:40:07am |
re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth
{Sleepy B} I really hesitate to post what happened to me that night. I really don't want it to become a "who had a shittier day" thing either. Needless to say- you were trying to keep on keeping on- don't feel bad about it. I'll shoot you an email.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:40:28am |
re: #242 Gus 802
I still think we're recovering. That day changed America in many ways. More so than WWII. 8 years later here we are.
That's because, unlike in WW II, our business with the monsters of our times remains unfinished.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:42:09am |
I remember. It was the first week of 9th grade for me, at a new school. We had moved from Fresno a year ago and I barely knew anyone, so starting 9th grade at a private school was nerve-racking. I usually woke up at 7am or so to get ready to go to school, but on that day, something weird happened. Almost sensing a disturbance, I shot right out of bed at 6am. I turned the TV on and saw the first tower immersed in smoke and flames. Almost immediately, I saw plane #2 go in. I was young and naive, so I didn't immediately think we were under attack, but I did wonder what the hell was going on. Shocked, I got ready for school.
On the drive to school, my ears were peeled to the radio, on the freeway in the midst of rush-hour LA traffic. I remember distinctly hearing the words "World War III" and right there it hit me that this was no ordinary event. Obviously I didn't think it was before but that term held a lot of power.
I remember going to an assembly that day which was scheduled anyway. It was like a welcome thing, but it ended up turning into a makeshift discussion forum. I remember one of the teachers who was from NY getting up to speak.
I remember my teachers generally not caring about what was going on. I only got to watch TV in one classroom, my history class. My English teacher was a super bitch, and forced us to write in our journals instead of watch what was happening. She was soon fired for that transgression as well as others.
As soon as I got home, I was able to settle in and watch the news. Shocked, dismayed, angered, confused, I watched. I was terrified about what had happened and what was to come.
I'll never forget it. NEVER. Worst non-familial day of my life, and changed the world forever.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:43:03am |
re: #247 Salamantis
That's because, unlike in WW II, our business with the monsters of our times remains unfinished.
It was because it came from within or from civilians. It wasn't like a declared war. It was, terrorism directly aimed at innocent civilians.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:44:53am |
re: #250 Gus 802
It was because it came from within or from civilians. It wasn't like a declared war. It was, terrorism directly aimed at innocent civilians.
And how can we heal while the source of the horrific malady that so viciously struck us yet remains?
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:46:31am |
re: #241 MisterCookie
[Link: powerlineblog.com...]
Oh my fucking God, one of the readers(might have to click the view responses link) is suggesting adding Gates of Vienna. Seriously, fuck the right wing. I'm going to register as Independent next election. This has to stop. Both of my grandfathers nearly died trying to fight fascists- and now we're embracing them?
Come to the dark side. Register as Independent, like me. ;)
Someone I know offline told me a couple of weeks ago that he'd switched from Republican to Independent, partly because of conversations with me, and partly from reading my posts here. It was also a long time coming in any case, he said.
That was a very happy day for me.
You don't have to wait til the next election. You can change it anytime.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:47:04am |
re: #245 Sharmuta
Oh, I am not attempting to compare shitty days. I look forward to your email.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:50:04am |
I won't register as an independent. If I want to vote against a Republican, I will. Don't need a registration to allow me otherwise.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:54:13am |
Pat Buchanan is at it again. "What's new" you might (justifiably) ask. Well, now Buchanan has none other than Drudge pimping his latest piece (which is at ... WND!)
As of 1:45AM Pacific, Buchanan's piece is on the top of the left column on Drudge.
The piece: Is America coming apart? is, for about 80% of it's length, just a laundry list of issues about which Americans argue, both among "social" issues and fiscal/theoretical issues. E.g., abortion, evolution, etc.
However, it is in his summary in which Buchanan finally states his thesis, and offers it up as the conclusion also:
The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.
"E pluribus unum" – out of many, one - was the national motto the men of '76 settled upon. One sees the pluribus. But where is the unum? One sees the diversity. But where is the unity?
Is America, too, breaking up?
In other words, the reason America has such a long list of contentious debates over divisive issues, which is leading to the break up of America, is because we are letting non-Christian non-European brown people into the country.
So says Pat Buchanan, as pimped by Matt Drudge.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:55:39am |
re: #251 Salamantis
And how can we heal while the source of the horrific malady that so viciously struck us yet remains?
I did through patriotism. It's probably not that easy since it was really a traumatic experience for all of us to see. I also did through grief even though it didn't impact any family members. This was through viewing the victims online. I still see the war dead and it breaks my heart. All of these people that have died over the years. The victims in the World Trade Center, the military men, the people in Iraq, and Afghanistan. When I look at a dead soldier, a young healthy man online in recent days from Afghanistan. The British soldiers and the many others.
The weeks before I caught interest in the plight of women in Afghanistan. Started inquiring and sending out emails. It was at the height of Taliban activity and had already been seeing the so called Taliban "justice."
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:56:10am |
re: #257 freetoken
In other words, the reason America has such a long list of contentious debates over divisive issues, which is leading to the break up of America, is because we are letting non-Christian non-European brown people into the country.So says Pat Buchanan, as pimped by Matt Drudge.
Disgusting and horrible people. Both of them.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:59:10am |
re: #12 TheMatrix31
Sheer genius...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:00:12am |
re: #254 Sharmuta
Back atchya!
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:00:41am |
re: #257 freetoken
Pat Buchanan is at it again. "What's new" you might (justifiably) ask. Well, now Buchanan has none other than Drudge pimping his latest piece (which is at ... WND!)
As of 1:45AM Pacific, Buchanan's piece is on the top of the left column on Drudge.
The piece: Is America coming apart? is, for about 80% of it's length, just a laundry list of issues about which Americans argue, both among "social" issues and fiscal/theoretical issues. E.g., abortion, evolution, etc.
However, it is in his summary in which Buchanan finally states his thesis, and offers it up as the conclusion also:
In other words, the reason America has such a long list of contentious debates over divisive issues, which is leading to the break up of America, is because we are letting non-Christian non-European brown people into the country.
So says Pat Buchanan, as pimped by Matt Drudge.
I quoted almost the very same paragraph. Yeah, blame multiculturalism. That's the talking point of the neo-fascists in Europe. Actually, history proves that the greatest damage come from mono-culturalism: Imperialist Japan; Aryan Germany; the Cultural Revolution; mono-religious crusades; Stalinism; etc. Dictatorship is the opposite.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:00:50am |
re: #258 Gus 802
I did through patriotism. It's probably not that easy since it was really a traumatic experience for all of us to see. I also did through grief even though it didn't impact any family members. This was through viewing the victims online. I still see the war dead and it breaks my heart. All of these people that have died over the years. The victims in the World Trade Center, the military men, the people in Iraq, and Afghanistan. When I look at a dead soldier, a young healthy man online in recent days from Afghanistan. The British soldiers and the many others.
The weeks before I caught interest in the plight of women in Afghanistan. Started inquiring and sending out emails. It was at the height of Taliban activity and had already been seeing the so called Taliban "justice."
Remember the poem I wrote about my youthful brush with molestation and murder? One of the reasons I have had nightmares about that experience for so long is that they never caught the guy.
As long as the 9-11 masterminds remain free and desiring and striving to attack us again - something they will desire and strive for so long as they shall live - the horrors of that day will not - can not - leave me.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:00:56am |
re: #247 Salamantis
"that's because, unlike in WW II, our business with the monsters of our times remains unfinished."
The axis powers in WW11 experienced the "western way of war" in a manner that was not seen before and has not been seen since. I'm with you all the way in your hatred of the enemy and the desire for retaliation far out of proportion to what was done to us. But it was done to us and we are in the 21st century. If we employed the strategy and tactics of the second world war, we would have Bin Laden alive or in a vial. If Pakistan gave us a problem (which they would) they would cease to exist as nation. In the foreseeable future, we will do what needs to be done to accomplish that kind of goal.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:02:53am |
re: #256 rightside
Good morning, rightside! Long time no typey things at each other. :)
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:04:13am |
re: #257 freetoken
I haven't read the whole thing, but that quote you gave is disgusting and weak minded. As if someone who comes from a third world country is a 'bad person'. I tend to believe it's not 'where' you are but 'who' you are...I guess that doesn't ring true with that Buchanan fool.
Since there is a separation of church and state in place...it really doesn't matter where one falls in the 'So-Con' label of things. People can believe how, where, or what they may.
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rightside Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:04:29am |
re: #265 BatGuano
Yes, I've moved to behind the scenes now. Good to see you.
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:06:30am |
re: #264 BatGuano
"that's because, unlike in WW II, our business with the monsters of our times remains unfinished."
The axis powers in WW11 experienced the "western way of war" in a manner that was not seen before and has not been seen since. I'm with you all the way in your hatred of the enemy and the desire for retaliation far out of proportion to what was done to us. But it was done to us and we are in the 21st century. If we employed the strategy and tactics of the second world war, we would have Bin Laden alive or in a vial. If Pakistan gave us a problem (which they would) they would cease to exist as nation. In the foreseeable future, we will do what needs to be done to accomplish that kind of goal.
You are right; the lives of the four terror masterminds (Bin Laden, Zawahii, the late Atef, and Mullah Omar) shrink to a microdot in proportion compared to the 3000 lives that were lost - that they cost us.
But it's the best that we can do. That, and keeping them from costing us thousands - or millions - more, which remains the goal to which all their available energies are bent.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:06:47am |
re: #262 Gus 802
I quoted almost the very same paragraph. Yeah, blame multiculturalism. That's the talking point of the neo-fascists in Europe. Actually, history proves that the greatest damage come from mono-culturalism: Imperialist Japan; Aryan Germany; the Cultural Revolution; mono-religious crusades; Stalinism; etc. Dictatorship is the opposite.
It's becoming harder and harder to deny that a lot of the most unhinged rhetoric about Obama reflects racism in some form or other.
"diversity" and "multiculturalism" ARE dogwhistles for some on the right; they pipe the batsqueak of 'racism!' and 'fear of a barack planet!" and more.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:07:33am |
re: #268 Oh no...Sand People!
Buchanan is this country's most visible xenophobe. Has been for decades. Has been since he worked for Nixon, who was a soft-core bigot (but brilliant) and hired people even worse than himself.
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BlackFedora Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:09:41am |
9/11 today. Never forget.
As for Truthers... Always STFU.
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tats66 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:10:34am |
I just watched the HBO special, "9innings from Ground Zero"..It really sucked to see the difference of how America was united and "gung ho" back then as opposed to now...makes me sick actually.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:11:41am |
re: #273 iceweasel
It's becoming harder and harder to deny that a lot of the most unhinged rhetoric about Obama reflects racism in some form or other.
"diversity" and "multiculturalism" ARE dogwhistles for some on the right; they pipe the batsqueak of 'racism!' and 'fear of a barack planet!" and more.
It's varied. Maybe that's what scares people. Multiculturalism come naturally to the USA since it's a part of our heritage. We've always been the melting pot. The mix of immigrants and native people. The tired, the poor and the rich. The scientists, the politicians, the teachers, and soldiers. I hope we don't take that road to fear what made the United States what it is.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:14:24am |
re: #277 tats66
It is not unusual, indeed I'd say it is customary, for people to unite in the face of danger or disaster.
Once the danger passes, or the disaster fades, people feel the freedom to act out their normal impulses.
We see this locally around here every time there is an imminent fire.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:15:41am |
re: #272 Salamantis
What still angers me Is Musharraf for not back-stopping the retreat of the Taliban into the border areas and not allowing us to pursue and bring this to an end. I don't consider Pakistan an ally and if I were President of the USA I would have continued the pursuit until the goal had been achieved: Bring me the head of Osama Bin Laden.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:17:50am |
re: #269 rightside
Yes, I've moved to behind the scenes now. Good to see you.
Good to see you too. I really missed 90,000 tons of diplomacy. ;)
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:17:58am |
re: #280 BatGuano
What still angers me Is Musharraf for not back-stopping the retreat of the Taliban into the border areas and not allowing us to pursue and bring this to an end. I don't consider Pakistan an ally and if I were President of the USA I would have continued the pursuit until the goal had been achieved: Bring me the head of Osama Bin Laden.
We will never stop pursuing that head, or the heads of Mullah Omar and Zawahiri. And sooner or later, alive or dead, we will have them.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:19:39am |
re: #282 Salamantis
We will never stop pursuing that head, or the heads of Mullah Omar and Zawahiri. And sooner or later, alive or dead, we will have them.
I hope you are right.
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Tats66 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:19:42am |
re: #279 freetoken
Yeah, its weird, I actually said just a few days after 911, "watch, it wont take long for everyone to get over it and revert back to the way it was"
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Egregious Philbin Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:21:08am |
Sitting in a shopping mall, only way to escape the rabble of the Manila streets.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:25:38am |
G'nite Lizards. See y'all later.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:26:33am |
re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth
G'nite Lizards. See y'all later.
Later SB! And you are not 73 years old. Whew, almost had me there.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:30:31am |
On pukeanan:
I'm reading Why Darwin Matters- and towards the end Shermer discusses behavioral evolution- how things like morality might have naturally arisen in humans over the course of our evolutionary history. It's theorized that we learned altruism because humans would have been living in smaller groups long before civilizations started and that it could been seen by the tribe how helping one helped the many. We learned cooperation with each other.
But evolution also has it's darker side. We also were faced with competition. It's possible that 'fear of the other' extends well back in our behavioral evolution based on competition with other tribes, which is why it's still too easy to give in to the fear of people different than ourselves. We actually have to work against our nature.
I think by and large, most people in this country have no such fear of others, but those that do are making their presence more know at this time than at any other time in the last few decades. It's wrong of course. Part of me also wonders if the fight against evolution goes beyond religion and touches on origins. That in the end, despite our physical differences, we are all one family. Racists can't have that.
To hell with them.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:31:02am |
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Areozol Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:34:47am |
Hello there. :)
Just found this wacky website:
[Link: www.madcowprod.com...]
Can anyone say about who is behind this? Looks like another one "11/09 truff" site and "CIA and GOP smuggles coke, I swear" garbage...
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:35:06am |
re: #291 Sharmuta
Part of me also wonders if the fight against evolution goes beyond religion and touches on origins. That in the end, despite our physical differences, we are all one family.
To this day there are people working on proving that Africans are fundamentally different genetically than the Caucasians. Did you notice how that ScienceDaily article on Hominid skeletons in Georgia got such a wide play, so quickly? Totally misleading headline when the news hit some mainstream papers, but the idea that Europeans are somehow different than Africans and Asians gets good play in many quarters.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:35:09am |
re: #292 freetoken
I live right next to the TV station that has her face plastered over every commercial.
Pun probably intended.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:38:51am |
re: #291 Sharmuta
I've always thought that this sort of behavioral evolution is why I doubt the concept of a universal "good and evil", rather "beneficial" or "detrimental" to a society. America survives simply because unlike other countries, it enables its people to have such varying views of "good and evil" under the 1st Amendment, which has benefited its society much more than undermined over the course of the past 200 years.
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Areozol Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:41:09am |
re: #295 freetoken
To this day there are people working on proving that Africans are fundamentally different genetically than the Caucasians. Did you notice how that ScienceDaily article on Hominid skeletons in Georgia got such a wide play, so quickly? Totally misleading headline when the news hit some mainstream papers, but the idea that Europeans are somehow different than Africans and Asians gets good play in many quarters.
The main point of racist "theories" is the belief that morals, culture, attitude etc. are determined by the race itself.
For example: Jews are greedy, because they are Semites, black people are promiscuous etc. because they are Africans etc.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:47:50am |
re: #295 freetoken
Do you mean the 1.8 million year old Homo Erectus skulls in Georgia?
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:49:31am |
re: #299 BatGuano
Yes, I believe that is it.
Not sure "Homo erectus" will ultimately prove accurate. Speciation has obviously occurred many times in the hominids.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:00am |
re: #294 Areozol
I just Wikied the guys name and got nothing. I do know that in the early 1990's Venice was nothing, the main drag (US 41) was a place you didn't want to break down because there was nothing there. It has grown since. Early bird specials are the norm.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:54:05am |
re: #295 freetoken
Yes- I've spent a good deal of time recently studying scientific racism. It's not surprising they would latch onto this new fossil as proof of their racist theories. They will do anything to set themselves apart from Africa.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:56:45am |
re: #300 freetoken
The way I read it it just raised the question if Homo Erectus evolved in eastern Europe/Asia and returned to Africa, or evolved in Africa and spread from there. Human evolution is the most difficult lineages of all to track down. It is still not clear if Neandertalis is a separate species from Homo sapiens.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:01:24am |
re: #303 BatGuano
Yes, but the story was picked up and played strongly in the far-right-o-sphere, a la-la land where science only shows up to prove some nefarious hidden truth.
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Areozol Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:03:01am |
re: #301 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just Wikied the guys name and got nothing. I do know that in the early 1990's Venice was nothing, the main drag (US 41) was a place you didn't want to break down because there was nothing there. It has grown since. Early bird specials are the norm.
Well, it goes crazier. For "troofers" guy behind this mad cow website is a government mole:
[Link: citizenspook.blogspot.com...]
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:05:00am |
re: #306 Areozol
That's what's so funny about the twoofers. They're probably not even sure their version of the twoof is right.
Speaking of which, I first got linked here through Screw Loose Change. Funny how things work out.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:05:20am |
Speaking of la-la land, here is the latest from Paul Craig Roberts (from VDARE to which I will not link), somebody who is prominent on Pat Buchanan's website (you know, the guy being pimped by Matt Drudge):
[...]
The Obama administration has adopted the Bush administration’s search procedures. Under these rules travelers’ computers, cell phones, and other devices can be seized for searches that can take up to 30 days. If you are on your way to a meeting and your presentation is on your computer and your contacts’ numbers are on your cell phone, you are out of luck.
"Terrorist threat" is the excuse for these Gestapo practices. However, there have been no domestic acts of terrorism in 8 years. The few "plots" that led to arrests were all instigated by FBI agents in order to keep the nonexistent threat alive in the public’s mind. Yet, despite any real terrorist threat the police state continues to gain ground. Considering the extent of America’s oppression of peoples abroad, one would expect much more blowback than has occurred, assuming that 9/11 was not itself an inside job designed to provide an excuse for America’s wars of aggression in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan.
[...]
Dated Sept 10, 2009, one day before the 8th anniversary of 9/11.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:06:49am |
re: #305 freetoken
Seriously, where? I read one article in the UK Independant. Do you have a link to the ScienceDaily ( I did look and couldn't find it) or the far right organs?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:08:25am |
re: #303 BatGuano
The way I read it it just raised the question if Homo Erectus evolved in eastern Europe/Asia and returned to Africa, or evolved in Africa and spread from there. Human evolution is the most difficult lineages of all to track down. It is still not clear if Neandertalis is a separate species from Homo sapiens.
Earlier mitochondrial DNA research led by Pääbo in 1997 had indicated present day Homo sapiens and Neanderthals mtDNA split into separate lineages approximately 500,000 years ago
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:13:09am |
You know what's a hideous byproduct of evolution?
Hipsters. =_=
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:13:39am |
re: #305 freetoken
Yes, but the story was picked up and played strongly in the far-right-o-sphere, a la-la land where science only shows up to prove some nefarious hidden truth.
That's a part of my next book to read: Stephen Jay Gould and the Politics of Evolution. Gould believed science was bastardized by some to support bigoted positions. Reading about scientific racism for the last few weeks has led me to believe he was correct, and why I was so happy to come across this book on Gould at this particular time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:14:12am |
re: #306 Areozol
Well, it goes crazier. For "troofers" guy behind this mad cow website is a government mole:
[Link: citizenspook.blogspot.com...]
I feel their pain. I got a small fry instead of a large at McDonalds the other day. I know the CIA is behind it, but have no proof. But, why would the CIA want me to have a large fry? See, the CIA is diverting the large fries to the inner city to kill all the people not killed by their cocaine they brought in. And it's not just any fries. These are fried in oil. I can prove that.
//
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:10am |
re: #313 Cannadian Club Akbar
The excess oil drilled from the mass graves in Iraq to keep supplies low and prices up! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
/hurrdurrconspiracytheoriez
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:16:52am |
re: #310 Sharmuta
I've read parts of that elsewhere. It is still not known if they (we) were able to interbreed. but I will look into this further.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:18:29am |
If I were to make up an article, complete with made up names that I could add to Wiki, and spread it on the web, I wonder how long it would take to be held up as proof by nutballs.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:20:57am |
re: #309 BatGuano
We don't link to the really bad stuff here...
However, go to this post (about the Georgia fossiles) at the Free Republic and look at comment number 5:
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:20:57am |
re: #315 BatGuano
I've read parts of that elsewhere. It is still not known if they (we) were able to interbreed. but I will look into this further.
Read the genome project link and you will see that the evidence is now strongly against this hypothesis. Being scientists, they leave themselves a gap, but there is no strong evidence to support this theory:
An early analysis of the data suggested in "the genome of Neanderthals, a human species driven to extinction" "no significant trace of Neanderthal genes in modern humans"
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:23:48am |
We interrupt your biology with some eco-alarmism.
With coal and nuclear plants being phased out in Britain in favor of "green" energy, the country could face blackouts in 2016.
/facepalm
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:24:21am |
re: #317 freetoken
Cripes, that's not what I mean. Thanks. Dropping it.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:28:49am |
re: #294 Areozol
Hello there. :)
Just found this wacky website:
[Link: www.madcowprod.com...]
Can anyone say about who is behind this? Looks like another one "11/09 truff" site and "CIA and GOP smuggles coke, I swear" garbage...
Cruise missiles in the 1960's? I want what he's smoking.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:29:20am |
re: #318 Sharmuta
Familiar with that. I'm not competent to hold an opinion so I am waiting for a definitive conclusion. I hate science by consensus, so I'll have to watch all the evidence as it develops.Thanks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:29:47am |
re: #321 Jim in Virginia
Cruise missiles in the 1960's? I want what he's smoking.
We can grow some good weed in Florida.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:30:18am |
Cavemen and lizards? What is this? A GEICO commercial!?!?
Morning lizards...how are we all doing?
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:32:30am |
Fenway! Como esta mi amigo.
If we are lizards are the cute little Geico gecko kind- or are we komodo dragons?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:33:29am |
Good Morning LGF.
It is hard to believe that 8 years have passed since the cowardly Isolamofascist terror attacks on innocent civilians of the American homeland.
All necessary resources need to be applied to continue the noble mission of hunting down and dispensing to al Qaeda and all Islamofascist terrorists the ultimate justice that they themselves claim to crave.
The families and friends of the victims deserve nothing less.
Keep free and safe, America!
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:34:39am |
re: #324 Fenway_Nation
Hi, Fenway. I'm doing fine. I just extricated myself from any discussion of human origins.And you?
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:34:56am |
re: #257 freetoken Nativism is as American as apple pie, pizza, and Kung Pao chicken.
Long, long history of it.
As I recall,they used to be called "Know Nothings."
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:35:41am |
re: #331 Jim in Virginia
as American as apple pie, pizza, and Kung Pao chicken.
Upding'd for good phrase usage. q:
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:36:36am |
re: #330 BatGuano
I just extricated myself from work...
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:37:41am |
re: #334 Fenway_Nation
I just extricated myself from work...
I did that three and a half hour ago. Good feeling.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:38:12am |
re: #325 Jim in Virginia
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Can we be gregarious, chatty kimodo dragons with an Australian accent?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:38:59am |
re: #335 BatGuano
As good a feeling as one can get pulling swing shift.
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:39:51am |
re: #321 Jim in Virginia
Cruise missiles in the 1960's? I want what he's smoking.
Do you know the V-1 "Flying Bomb", its more a cruise missle than enything else, and that was in the 40ties.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:43:45am |
re: #338 Joshua Cohen
Yes, except that it fell when it ran out of fuel making it inaccurate and made a buzzing noise which alerted the intended targets. But, yes, I suppose it was an early cruise missile.I never thought of that.
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:05am |
Hey folks, I am back from work...having lunch and waiting for Shabbes ;)
9/11 - I remember quite well. Maybe I will share my memories with you later this day.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:49:31am |
re: #342 Fenway_Nation
There it is...a real-time flounce.
Yes. I have noticed that the people who want to leave the blog ask to when Charles is probably sleeping. Charles should set up his own email account so people can ask him directly.
/
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:49:37am |
I'm wondering if Bolivar has thought this out carefully or is it just an impulse.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:51:58am |
re: #344 BatGuano
Has all the earmarks of 'lit match to accelerant soaked bridge' to me...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:52:07am |
re: #345 BatGuano
His/her last post was July.
Karma: 417
Registered since: Jun 18, 2004 at 4:38 pm
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 1,193
No. of links posted: 0
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:55:00am |
re: #340 BatGuano
Yes, except that it fell when it ran out of fuel.
Sorry, but this is not complete true.
The V-1 had a small propeller and a counter, they set a specific number of revolutions to the point when this thing stopped the engine and the V-1 started its final approach.
It was not very precise because you would need a constant speed, good knowledge about the weather, headwind and things like that.
But usually they do not just feel out of the air because they where out of propellant.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:55:17am |
re: #303 BatGuano
The way I read it it just raised the question if Homo Erectus evolved in eastern Europe/Asia and returned to Africa, or evolved in Africa and spread from there. Human evolution is the most difficult lineages of all to track down. It is still not clear if Neandertalis is a separate species from Homo sapiens.
Good Morning all. I think that most scientists believe that Neanderthal is not a member of the Human family tree, ergo no Missing Link.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:57:54am |
re: #339 bolivar
There are a lot of synchophants on this site - I won't be one of them any longer.
(emphasis added)
Another synchophant (sic) has left the building?
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:58:03am |
re: #348 Joshua Cohen
No need to apologize, I can't be an expert in everything ( or anything). :)
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:01:06am |
re: #342 Fenway_Nation
There it is...a real-time flounce.
Didn't really read like a flounce. I didn't discern attitude, more of a goodby.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:01:30am |
re: #349 opnion
Hi, Opinion, I dropped it at # 320. How are you?
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:03:06am |
re: #352 opnion
Didn't really read like a flounce. I didn't discern attitude, more of a goodby.
Of the "more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger... and HEY! LOOK AT ME!" variety.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:03:44am |
re: #339 bolivar
Charles has changed over the last 8 years and I just don't want to hang out here anymore.
To test this assertion I went into the archives and looked at the first 10 days of LGF entries:
+ most are about geekdom;
+ a little bit about cycling, surfing, and cooking;
+ two entries on problems abroad: (1) link to a photo essay on Burma which has a definite human rights slant, and (2) a link to an article about blood diamonds, which is again a human rights issue.
+ an entry on Rushdie's problems over his infamous book.
So, geekiness, art, cycling, human rights, and free speech issues.
Doesn't seem like much has changed to me.
Perhaps you were looking at LGF through hate-colored eyes?
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:03:55am |
What does one say about the anniversary of 9/11?
I will never forget the sickening thud of bodies hitting the pavement,
of those that chose to leap rather than burn to death.
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:06:34am |
re: #351 BatGuano
No need to apologize, I can't be an expert in everything ( or anything). :)
I just knew it because I grow up in a town that was located near the concentration camp where they build this thing and its bigger brother the V2/A4 in the last years of the war in an underground factory.
Besides being interested in planes and rockets since I was a small child I visited this Camp just around 2 weeks ago once again and attended a special tour with a very competent guide.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:06:47am |
re: #352 opnion
Didn't really read like a flounce. I didn't discern attitude, more of a goodby.
Do you mean someone who has been here for five years and believes there has been a change and is sad to be leaving.?
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:08:15am |
re: #353 BatGuano
Hi, Opinion, I dropped it at # 320. How are you?
Doing fine bddy, how are you?
No Neanderthal, we came from the good lookin apes.
I stayed up & watched the end of the Clemson v Georgia Tech Game.
Tried to watch the end of the Steelers , but could'nt make it.
I need some sleep
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:08:36am |
Imagine my shock and surprise this morning when I went to Google and didn't see a tribute to 9/11.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:09:14am |
re: #358 BatGuano
Do you mean someone who has been here for five years and believes there has been a change and is sad to be leaving.?
I liked ones that used to post here a lot more - they either had a "falling out" or just left on their own. Doesn't that tell you something? I thought not.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:09:21am |
re: #358 BatGuano
Do you mean someone who has been here for five years and believes there has been a change and is sad to be leaving.?
Yeah that's actually what I got out of it. It didn't strike me as a rant.
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:12:30am |
re: #360 Leonidas Hoplite
Imagine my shock and surprise this morning when I went to Google and didn't see a tribute to 9/11.
Not just you!
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:12:41am |
re: #359 opnion
I would have killed to have seen any of the Steelers game!
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razorbacker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:13:31am |
'Morning Folks.
Under 'Things That Made Me Go Whaaa?':
I see that Winchester has agreed to provide up to 200,000,000 rounds of .40 135 grain HP ammo to ICE over the next five years. That's a lot of pistol ammo.
And that the 30 Treasury bonds had more buyers than expected this auction, dropping the yield from 4.289% expected to 4.238% actual. I don't want to tie up my money for 30 years at less than 5%, but I'm awfully glad that someone does.
And that there is a competitor for the Roomba. No, not just a broom, an actual other robot vacuum. My sister has painted her Roomba to look like a ladybug. I need to ask her if her cat is afraid of a Roomba, since most all cats are afraid of regular vacuum cleaners. All I can figure is, somewhere some cat was sucked up into a vacuum, and word got around in catland.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:14:18am |
re: #365 BatGuano
I caught the last 2 minutes of regulation and then overtime during my break.
Didn't Ga. Tech and Wake Forest play last night, too?
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:14:52am |
re: #360 Leonidas Hoplite
Imagine my shock and surprise this morning when I went to Google and didn't see a tribute to 9/11.
Man made diusaster , my ass. People are starting to forget & I think that , that is dangerous & tough on the survivors & families of the victims.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:19am |
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:31am |
re: #361 laZardo
Charles has changed. Now there's more Macs, photography and jazz music.
/ braces
Macs, photography and jazz music is a change?
Oh! Never mind... I sense that tongue stuck in your cheek.
listening to: Randy Newman- Mac People
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:16:19am |
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:14am |
Congress has declared today a National Day of Service.
Hmmm 9/11, didn't something else happen on this date?
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:20am |
re: #368 opnion
Man made diusaster , my ass. People are starting to forget & I think that , that is dangerous & tough on the survivors & families of the victims.
Combine that with a premature withdrawal from A-stan and I'd say the future holds another 9/11 in store for us.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:55am |
re: #366 razorbacker
I remember the good old days when I could get anywhere from 3% to 5.6% APY on safe, traditional investment insturments like Savings bonds of Certificates of Deposit.
Like...April of last year.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:56am |
re: #355 freetoken
Doesn't seem like much has changed to me.Perhaps you were looking at LGF through hate-colored eyes?
Linger on... your hate-coloured eyes...
Sometimes he feels so flouncy
Sometimes he feels so sad.
Sometimes he feels so flouncy,
But mostly he just makes me mad.
Baby, you just make me mad.
Linger on, your hate-coloured eyes.
Linger on, your hate-coloured eyes.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:59am |
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:18:45am |
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:18:57am |
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:18am |
re: #368 opnion
Man made diusaster , my ass. People are starting to forget & I think that , that is dangerous & tough on the survivors & families of the victims.
It's even worse - they begin to deny it - calling it an inside job ant stuff like that.
Same with the Shoah - and I meet a lot of this persons over the years.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:04am |
re: #379 Jim in Virginia
Bolivar didn't event get into how his wife left him, his dog died and he wrecked his pickup truck...
//
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:28am |
Good morning all. I just skimmed through the last thread and saw the carnage. WIll catch up on this one over coffee. I consider myself an independent who crosses leftward or rightward depending on the issue, probably somewhat more left of Charles on several things. And I think it puts me rather more to the left of the average poster here. However, one thing this place has never been in my limited experience is "lefty". That it wasn't right fringe was the reason I started reading and the reason I wanted to sign up. The owner's respect for science, facts, and verification is as high or higher than on most any other blog I've seen, much less anything right of center. Any de-linking that takes place over ideological dick-sizing is a loss to the de-linker.
Just saying.
Today's a memorial day. Peace be with us all.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:51am |
re: #379 Jim in Virginia
Here: #354 Dar ul Harb
ar, hear!
Why do folks need to announce they are leaving and they aren't coming back?
This a blog. It's not a country western song.
The secret is it IS a country western song. If they play it backwards they get their temper back, their dog back, their wife back, and their country back.
//
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:56am |
There is a pundit on FNC right now, she claims that the actual
Obama plan is two & a half pages of non-specifics.
Lets vote!
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:04am |
re: #382 iceweasel
Hi, Ice! I be fine.How's you're left-leaning self doing? I thought you had retired for the evening.
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:44am |
re: #366 razorbacker
'Morning Folks.
Under 'Things That Made Me Go Whaaa?':
I see that Winchester has agreed to provide up to 200,000,000 rounds of .40 135 grain HP ammo to ICE over the next five years. That's a lot of pistol ammo.
And that the 30 Treasury bonds had more buyers than expected this auction, dropping the yield from 4.289% expected to 4.238% actual. I don't want to tie up my money for 30 years at less than 5%, but I'm awfully glad that someone does.
And that there is a competitor for the Roomba. No, not just a broom, an actual other robot vacuum. My sister has painted her Roomba to look like a ladybug. I need to ask her if her cat is afraid of a Roomba, since most all cats are afraid of regular vacuum cleaners. All I can figure is, somewhere some cat was sucked up into a vacuum, and word got around in catland.
200,000,000 rounds? Practice makes perfect, but leave some for us. ICE- that's just basically customs? Sheesh.
Dad told me the other day that the gov't is selling all their collected brass to the Chinese.
Any re- loader will tell you that brass and other component supplies have dried up and prices are in gouge territory.
Must be some kind of plot.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:01am |
re: #358 BatGuano
Do you mean someone who has been here for five years and believes there has been a change and is sad to be leaving?
I think it's fair to say there has been a change in the topics LGF covers, particularly since the election, but it's entirely consistent to be pointing out the unsavory associations and irrational views of some on "the right" after eight years of pointing out the unsavory associations and irrational views of those on "the left" (which LGF continues to do).
It's what was once called journalism. The legacy media should try it sometime.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:12am |
re: #381 Joshua Cohen
It's even worse - they begin to deny it - calling it an inside job ant stuff like that.
Same with the Shoah - and I meet a lot of this persons over the years.
What do they say? Everybody has a right to their opinion, not the facts.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:00am |
re: #356 opnion
What does one say about the anniversary of 9/11?
.
In the office, huddled around a radio listening to a local station with a live feed from NYC, which is interrupted by the local reporter who just got a cell call that there was an explosion at the Pentagon. Three miles north of where we were. We could see the smoke from the office. We walked out at lunch and could smell it.
Never forget.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:02am |
re: #383 Fenway_Nation
Bolivar didn't event get into how his wife left him, his dog died and he wrecked his pickup truck...
//
And there was no train involved.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:14am |
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.
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razorbacker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:17am |
re: #375 Fenway_Nation
Yeah. I bought a 9 month CD yesterday (not a jumbo or anything, just a small amount) and got the magnificent yield of .7%. That's .007 in decimal-speak. Not much, but it beats the .25% that the money market is paying.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:49am |
But it's no wonder that the Change has pissed a lot of people off.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:27:14am |
re: #393 BatGuano
And there was no train involved.
Actually, it was a lalcohol and ocomotive-assisted wrecking of the pickup truck.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:27:17am |
re: #393 BatGuano
And there was no train involved.
Every one knows you can't write the perfect country song without mentioning your momma, or trains, or jail...
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:27:34am |
re: #321 Jim in Virginia
Cruise missiles in the 1960's? I want what he's smoking.
Good morning, Lizards.
Actually, the U.S. Navy was developing cruise missiles in the late 1940s. They noticed that most of the problems with using even a primitive cruise missile like the Fieseler-103 (the actual name of the V-1 "buzz bomb) didn't apply to their missions. Plus, they'd had first-hand experience of what is was like to be on the receiving end of "cruise missile"- type attacks during the Japanese Kamikaze (Divine Wind) suicide attack campaign that culminated at Okinawa. Cruise missiles offered the same potential as an anti-ship weapon without risking the lives of aircrew, and also the missiles worked very well in wavetop-level attacks which made them hard for enemy radar top spot in time to shoot them down or evade them. (Ask a radar technician about how short the range of a typical air-defense radar of that era was vs. a target coming in "on the deck", sometime.)
Besides the Regulus II program, the Navy had the Rigel, Triton, and Regulus I cruise missile programs in the strategic (long-range attack) department, and the Loon (an American copy of the Fi-103), Petrel, Kingfisher, Gorgon, and Gargoyle missile projects, in both air-to-surface and surface-to-surface cruise missile persuasions, in the tactical (anti-ship/shore-bombardment) department, and all between 1945 and 1960. In spite of all this research, a "policy" decision at the JCS level kept the Navy out of the cruise missile business until the late 1970s, because the Pentagon types didn't think cruise missiles were as "survivable" in combat as ballistic missiles. Plus, the Air Force early on didn't want the Navy "poaching" on their turf beyond the Polaris/Poseidon SLBM programs- "offensive" missiles were their toys, not the blackshoes'. (Not to mention the carrier admirals who considered naval strike their exclusive province with the flattops.)
What finally changed everyone's minds was apparently when they noticed that the Soviet Navy put cruise missiles on every platform they had for the express purpose of sinking our ships, especially the carriers. Which meant, as usual, we had to play catchup. We're just lucky that the Tomahawk and Harpoon turned out to be darned near perfect as designed.
The early advocates of cruise missiles in the U.S. navy got the last laugh, though. Probably more Tomahawks have been fired in anger in the last thirty years than any other missile in history... with the possible exception of the old V-1 "buzz bomb", that is.
cheers
eon
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:43am |
re: #399 iceweasel
I thought trains were used mostly by the bluesmen.
Mississippi Hill Country blues- not that Delta crap/
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:07am |
re: #374 Leonidas Hoplite
Combine that with a premature withdrawal from A-stan and I'd say the future holds another 9/11 in store for us.
The question is, was the original mission, to destroy al-Qaeda, accomplished? At what point- using the now- prevalent reasoning of "nation building" of Afghanistan, does our continued presence become the more likely cause of another 9/11?
Tar babies are always onerous.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:10am |
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:52am |
re: #374 Leonidas Hoplite
Combine that with a premature withdrawal from A-stan and I'd say the future holds another 9/11 in store for us.
In the US eight years is an eternity. In some cultures it is but an eyeblink. The islamofascists (a word we don't hear much any more) tried to take out the WTC in 1993. They came back in 2001.
In 2001 they tried to take out the White House or the Capitol. Who thinks they don't still want to do that?
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:32:32am |
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:35:05am |
And having talked about these "Wunderwaffen" - please do not get me wrong, I am not glorifying what they did, even if I respect the technology progress their scientist achieved on many fields - you can say what you want but these Nazis and their handymen where any and everything but they where not stupid - and that made them, in my eyes at least, even more evil and dangerous.
And that is the reasons why their ideas sadly still life on. This and that some of their masterminds become respected luminaries like that Wernher von Braun - chief engineer of the V2 AND the Saturn 5 Moonrocket.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:35:05am |
re: #400 BatGuano
Dick-sizing? Oy.
Well, he is right about what's happening, even if people don't like that term...a whole "I'm righty-er than thou" thing in the crankosphere, a weird witch-hunt and mass attacking of Charles.
I have to wonder just how much of that is envy and people happily taking the chance to stick a knife in his back and twist it. Some of it is about the right's collapse and increasing demands for ideological purity, even if the ideology is one of purest crazy, but I think some of these nasty people secretly have always been jealous of Charles and of LGF.
It really is shocking. I've seen a lot of pileons in the political blogosphere on both sides but never something like this. Something like this would never happen on the left side of the blogosphere either, where no-one ever agrees with anyone anyway.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:36:19am |
re: #399 iceweasel
Every one knows you can't write the perfect country song without mentioning your momma, or trains, or jail...
your momma, or trains, or jail, or trucks, or rain, or getting drunk.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:37:25am |
re: #392 Jim in Virginia
In the office, huddled around a radio listening to a local station with a live feed from NYC, which is interrupted by the local reporter who just got a cell call that there was an explosion at the Pentagon. Three miles north of where we were. We could see the smoke from the office. We walked out at lunch and could smell it.
Never forget.
What a horrible day it was.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:37:31am |
re: #402 Fenway_Nation
I thought trains were used mostly by the bluesmen.
Mississippi Hill Country blues- not that Delta crap/
Love the video and cover...
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:39:22am |
re: #403 Capitalist Tool
The question is, was the original mission, to destroy al-Qaeda, accomplished? At what point- using the now- prevalent reasoning of "nation building" of Afghanistan, does our continued presence become the more likely cause of another 9/11?
Tar babies are always onerous.
Great question. Don't know that I have an answer but it seems A-stan is going to be a difficult nut to crack. My guess is, the longer we stay and get nothing accomplished in terms of improving the lives of ordinary Afhans then I believe you are correct. If we leave without eliminating the Taliban then that is the oppostie side of the same coin. I think we need a more significant commitment with a longer-term plan, and resolve, than we have now.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:39:38am |
I remember going to bed on the night of September 10, 2001 watching a fairly disappointing Monday Night Football game between the Broncos and Giants and saying to myself 'If all I have to worry about right now is a crappy football game, then I guess I'm in pretty good shape in the grand scheme of things'...
I, literally, slept through the September 11th attacks as I didn't wake up until nearly 9AM, Pacific Time.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:40:39am |
re: #409 iceweasel
Something like this would never happen on the left side of the blogosphere either, where no-one ever agrees with anyone anyway.
What? There's no ideological purity test on the "unconstrained" side of the aisle?
Seems there's one everywhere these days...
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:41:10am |
re: #409 iceweasel
Darlin (may I call you darlin, darlin?), I rarely agree with you but I love the last line of that post.
Something like this would never happen on the left side of the blogosphere either, where no-one ever agrees with anyone anyway.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:23am |
re: #415 Fenway_Nation
Hotel in Charleston, SC. Overslept. Watched the second plane hit on the "Today Show".
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:47am |
As regards bolivar, and those to come, I will allow anyone the dignity to say goodby as long as they state their case and make a dignified exit.
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:43:02am |
re: #403 Capitalist Tool
The question is, was the original mission, to destroy al-Qaeda, accomplished? At what point- using the now- prevalent reasoning of "nation building" of Afghanistan, does our continued presence become the more likely cause of another 9/11?
Tar babies are always onerous.
The points that our successive administrations (of both parties) seem to keep missing are;
1. "Nation building" and "enemy suppression" are two entirely different missions, and you have to decide which you are more interested in up front. Ideally, you do the "nation-building" thing after you're reasonably sure most of the actual enemy is "suppressed" (i.e., dead).
2. Even if you do manage to reach the "nation-building" stage, doing it in a tribalist/clan-based culture where memories are long and grudges transcend generations is never going to be easy. Mainly due to the large number of people who hate each other even though none of them can remember exactly why.
The British had the right idea about Afghanistan; as long as the locals kept their feuds on their side of the border, and out of British India, the Raj didn't care what they did. The trouble is, in the modern world, that mindset is probably no longer viable.
Even if the various bad actors never leave the country physically, there's always the Internet. I mean, who would have believed a hundred years ago that I'd be typing something like this in Ohio, and it was being read by people whose locations I don't even know?
I'm not saying there isn't a "solution" to Afghanistan. Just that finding one is not going to be a fast or easy process. The trouble is, our various administrations for the most part seem to have been in what I call "TV" mode- they want everything wrapped up by the last commercial break. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
President Bush realized this. I'm not so sure President Obama does.
/Just IMHO
cheers
eon
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:43:17am |
re: #366 razorbacker
'Morning Folks.
Under 'Things That Made Me Go Whaaa?':
I see that Winchester has agreed to provide up to 200,000,000 rounds of .40 135 grain HP ammo to ICE over the next five years. That's a lot of pistol ammo.
Could it be in part stockpile renewal? What is the shelf-life of ammo?
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:43:26am |
re: #417 Jim in Virginia
Iceweasel apparently belongs to no organized political party, as Will Rogers said.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:44:56am |
re: #419 BatGuano
I guess I don't see why anyone has to make such announcements. The only reason to do so is to draw attention to yourself.
Most of us are anonymous - our identities are fiction.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:45:23am |
...and I actually found out about the mass murders eight years ago today from- of all people- the local morning zoo/drive-time FM morning show. I turned on the radio and they were somberly speculating how many people might be in each tower of the WTC site on any given workday. I didn't think too much of it until one of them said 'And the Pentagon is still burning...'
That's when I turned on the TV and started calling various relatives back east.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:45:24am |
re: #414 Leonidas Hoplite
Great question. Don't know that I have an answer but it seems A-stan is going to be a difficult nut to crack. My guess is, the longer we stay and get nothing accomplished in terms of improving the lives of ordinary Afhans then I believe you are correct. If we leave without eliminating the Taliban then that is the oppostie side of the same coin. I think we need a more significant commitment with a longer-term plan, and resolve, than we have now.
Obama has committed more troops there. He made a sizable commitment-- but warned that military presence alone wouldn't be sufficient.
I have serious doubts about our ability to eliminate the Taliban there or improve the lives of ordinary Afghans though, no matter what we do.
BTW, now that Obama has sent so many more troops there and focussed his energies there, people on the right like Will are saying that we need to pull out.
I wonder why that would be?
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:45:46am |
re: #415 Fenway_Nation
On the other side of the world, my mom woke me up just after bedtime (I was 14) to show me what was going on.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:03am |
re: #415 Fenway_Nation
I remember going to bed on the night of September 10, 2001 watching a fairly disappointing Monday Night Football game between the Broncos and Giants and saying to myself 'If all I have to worry about right now is a crappy football game, then I guess I'm in pretty good shape in the grand scheme of things'...
I, literally, slept through the September 11th attacks as I didn't wake up until nearly 9AM, Pacific Time.
That was the game Ed McCaffrey broke his leg. I remember that.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:04am |
re: #419 BatGuano
As regards bolivar, and those to come, I will allow anyone the dignity to say goodby as long as they state their case and make a dignified exit.
Because you're fair.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:11am |
re: #425 iceweasel
I think the Democrats are just trying to find a war the U.S. can lose.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:35am |
Japanese U.S. ambassador snubs Pentagon request to continue refueling mission
Japanese Ambassador to the United States Ichiro Fujisaki frowned at a Pentagon spokesman's request that Japan continue its mission in the Indian Ocean to refuel U.S. and other foreign vessels engaged in the war against terror.
It's going to be a challenge for the US to keep the larger coalition together.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:48:01am |
I'm sure there'll be a 9/11 commemoration thread later, but I was in high school at the time. I'm gifted with what I call a "semi-photographic" memory - I remember things extremely easily, although not instantly. I can remember just about every detail from eight years ago as if I'd just woken up to it yesterday.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:49:08am |
re: #405 Jim in Virginia
In the US eight years is an eternity. In some cultures it is but an eyeblink. The islamofascists (a word we don't hear much any more) tried to take out the WTC in 1993. They came back in 2001.
In 2001 they tried to take out the White House or the Capitol. Who thinks they don't still want to do that?
It is no longer politically correct to call out Islamofascists.
Or to call out mainstream Muslims for their obscene silence.
And fascism is now owned by the euronazis and the GOP.
Welcome to idiot America.
///
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:49:21am |
re: #431 freetoken
Given Japan's constitution, it was hard enough to convince them to come along in the first place.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:02am |
re: #425 iceweasel
Obama has committed more troops there. He made a sizable commitment-- but warned that military presence alone wouldn't be sufficient.
I have serious doubts about our ability to eliminate the Taliban there or improve the lives of ordinary Afghans though, no matter what we do.
BTW, now that Obama has sent so many more troops there and focussed his energies there, people on the right like Will are saying that we need to pull out.
I wonder why that would be?
He isn't getting a lot of support on this in his own party, either.
I would not want to have his job.
Work beckons, lizards, play safe.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:13am |
re: #433 Spare O'Lake
It is no longer politically correct to call out Islamofascists.
Or to call out mainstream Muslims for their obscene silence.
And fascism is now owned by the euronazis and the GOP.
Welcome to idiot America.
///
Nothing but green days ahead!
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:45am |
re: #416 Dar ul Harb
What? There's no ideological purity test on the "unconstrained" side of the aisle?
Seems there's one everywhere these days...
I didn't say that. I said there isn't anything like a demand for total ideological purity and marching in lockstep, even if that means goose-stepping over a cliff, the way the crankosphere is determined to.
The old joke is "Ask three liberals, get four opinions" -- because we love nothing better than fighting amongst ourselves. This disunity means that the left has won at the intertubes, because the bickering, squabbling, and diversity leads to an explosion in commenting and blogging.
Blogwars happen on the left, and often for silly reasons, but you'd never see a mass pile-on like what's happening to Charles now from the right-- and for the 'crime' of refusing to go along with the scheduled two-minute fake outrage of the day.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:49am |
re: #434 laZardo
Yup, and the DPJ are unlikely to be very receptive to calls to go against the pacifist constitution. Nevertheless, fuel is important and refueling missions are important.
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:53am |
re: #421 Coracle
Could it be in part stockpile renewal? What is the shelf-life of ammo?
Shelf life is very long, if stored correctly.
Until the past couple of years, one could still buy cheap quantities of WWII era loaded ammo and components.
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razorbacker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:51:10am |
re: #421 Coracle
Could it be in part stockpile renewal? What is the shelf-life of ammo?
I don't know. I've shot, with no misfires, ammo made for The War To End All Wars.
Were I hunting something that would and could kill me, understand, I'd want 'fresh' ammo, but otherwise, if the case isn't swelled, I'd probably shoot it.
Even shotshells seem to last a long long time, since they've dropped the paper hulls.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:52:01am |
re: #438 freetoken
Mainly because it seems the calls to repeal Article 9 come from the infamous ultranationalists?
/checking
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:52:48am |
re: #425 iceweasel
Obama has committed more troops there. He made a sizable commitment-- but warned that military presence alone wouldn't be sufficient.
I have serious doubts about our ability to eliminate the Taliban there or improve the lives of ordinary Afghans though, no matter what we do.
BTW, now that Obama has sent so many more troops there and focussed his energies there, people on the right like Will are saying that we need to pull out.
I wonder why that would be?
I don't know that a sizable commitment is the same as the right level of commitment, but certainly more is better than less.
While I share your concern regarding our ability to eliminate the Taliban and improve the lives of ordinary Afghans, if we quit then neither will be accomplished, guaranteed.
You'll have to ask Mr. Will why he thinks the way he does. I don't share his opinion.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:53:09am |
Good morning, Lizards! How green is your grass? How high are your tides?
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:53:37am |
Hey, an ammo thread.
I guess LGF is all right after all.
L8r.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:53:58am |
re: #423 freetoken
I do not know anyone on this site. No one knows me. If I decided to leave I might want to give an explanation to anyone who might care (admittedly a small population) and just say goodbye.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:54:24am |
re: #430 Dar ul Harb
I think the Democrats are just trying to find a war the U.S. can lose.
Dude, that is a fucked-up comment to make, especially today. Tired of the crap about people on the left (and dems) being traitors and anti-american if they happened to oppose a war, especially the iraq war. Could we leave off that kind of talk for today, please?
If you were kidding or left off a sarc tag or something I'll happily take back my downding, btw.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:55:42am |
re: #443 MandyManners
Mandy! I bought the album in 1977 and I still have it.
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razorbacker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:11am |
re: #445 BatGuano
I do not know anyone on this site. No one knows me. If I decided to leave I might want to give an explanation to anyone who might care (admittedly a small population) and just say goodbye.
I think that you're right. Saying 'goodbye' is simple good manners.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:17am |
re: #443 MandyManners
That song is freakin' great. One of my favorites.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:57:09am |
re: #442 Leonidas Hoplite
I don't know that a sizable commitment is the same as the right level of commitment, but certainly more is better than less.
While I share your concern regarding our ability to eliminate the Taliban and improve the lives of ordinary Afghans, if we quit then neither will be accomplished, guaranteed.
You'll have to ask Mr. Will why he thinks the way he does. I don't share his opinion.
The Peaceful Mmbers of the world wide Jihad are watching.
I don't know what victory lookls like in Afghanistan, but defeat would look like the Russians withdrawing & we will pay a price.
If Obama really believes in this War, rather than stuck in campaign
rhetoric when he was bashing Bush, he needs to get out & sell it.
If he does that though the loons on the left will go more nutty
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:57:36am |
re: #444 Dar ul Harb
Hey, an ammo thread.
I guess LGF is all right after all.
L8r.
Breakfast recipe:
150gr FMJBT
47gr 4895
WLR
LC53 case
Place lovingly into the Garand
Shake and Bake
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:08am |
re: #450 opnion
The Peaceful Mmbers of the world wide Jihad are watching.
I don't know what victory lookls like in Afghanistan, but defeat would look like the Russians withdrawing & we will pay a price.
If Obama really believes in this War, rather than stuck in campaign
rhetoric when he was bashing Bush, he needs to get out & sell it.
If he does that though the loons on the left will go more nutty
Is that even possible?
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:52am |
re: #442 Leonidas Hoplite
I don't know that a sizable commitment is the same as the right level of commitment, but certainly more is better than less.
He sent more than Bush. He hasn't ruled out sending more. IIRC we're on track to have double the amount there by dec 2009 than we did when Bush left office.
Will is not the only person on the right to suddenly have reservations about troop deployment to Afghanistan, after years of supporting every military decision Bush made, pushing for more military involvement always, and insinuating that Obama would be weak on defence.
It is hard to escape the conclusion that some of those pundits (perhaps not Will) planned to attack Obama if he didn't deploy troops, and are now attacking him because he did.
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:59:04am |
re: #424 Fenway_Nation
...and I actually found out about the mass murders eight years ago today from- of all people- the local morning zoo/drive-time FM morning show. I turned on the radio and they were somberly speculating how many people might be in each tower of the WTC site on any given workday. I didn't think too much of it until one of them said 'And the Pentagon is still burning...'
That's when I turned on the TV and started calling various relatives back east.
Here in OH, I was up, finishing my second cup of coffee, and getting ready to go off to my charity work (paper drive that day) when the Fox News crew said an airliner had hit one of the towers. don't ask me why, but I hit "record" on the VCR hooked up to the satellite TV dish, shoved a second (blank) tape in the one hooked to the rooftop broadcast antenna, and hit "record' on it, too, thus getting both Fox News and NBC.
I took off in my Jeep, listening to the radio (Fox News, again), and got to my best bud, the E-5's, house just in time for him to say, "One of the towers just collapsed." we went on to "business as usual", but with the radio on the rest of the day.
What struck me was how unsurprised I was. The E-5 said it best; "They (the terrorists) have been telling us they were going to hit us for years, and they did it." my response was, "Maybe now somebody on our side, at the command level (meaning NCA) will finally realize that the terrorists were serious when they said they were in 'a state of war' against us."
Going back to my last post, Bush got it. I'm pretty sure Obama thinks it was just "rhetoric". Not realizing that in the Islamic world, the original definition of that word is still current- not "words intended to convince without really meaning them", but "a message stating one's intentions clearly and unequivocally."
The moral being, you should always honor a threat. ("Honor" as in "Take It Seriously".)
cheers
eon
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:59:17am |
re: #443 MandyManners
I saw them at Adventure Island in Tampa. Kickin' back in the water, sipping a beer.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:00:24am |
Down the memory hole with you!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:00:37am |
re: #453 Leonidas Hoplite
Is that even possible?
Maybe I overreached a bit. If they are already at Defcon One, nowhere else to go.
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:02:05am |
re: #454 iceweasel
It is hard to escape the conclusion that some of those pundits (perhaps not Will) planned to attack Obama if he didn't deploy troops, and are now attacking him because he did.
I'm sure that is true and if so is reprehensible. I doubt that pundits on the right have a monopoly on this tactic.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:02:27am |
re: #441 laZardo
It was never clear to me whether the mainline LDP really wanted to totally give up the Article 9 provision; however, they were the party of those who had some very, very direct links to the WWII era, and were very much interested in using the US relationship as the bulwark in their China policies.
The DPJ is probably more receptive, it appears, to being more of a business-centric policy machine. What is good for trade will be good for Japan, so to speak. Foreign policy hawks tend not to be so much like that.
On many issues I doubt if us outsiders could tell a difference between the DPJ and the LDP.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:04:44am |
re: #458 MandyManners
Hope somebody got a screencap before it got memory-holed...
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Joshua Cohen Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:05:32am |
re: #438 freetoken
Yup, and the DPJ are unlikely to be very receptive to calls to go against the pacifist constitution. Nevertheless, fuel is important and refueling missions are important.
Esp. now after the more left party won the elections in Japan and pushed out the Conservatives after all the years.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:05:38am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:05:42am |
re: #458 MandyManners
Down the memory hole with you!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Mornin' {Mandy}. That's some freaky stuff right there.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:06:13am |
Wonder what 0bama himself has planned for today. Hope he has the decency to take a day off from being Used-Car-Salesman in Chief.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:04am |
re: #460 Leonidas Hoplite
I'm sure that is true and if so is reprehensible. I doubt that pundits on the right have a monopoly on this tactic.
Absolutely. I pointed out just yesterday that there are dishonest people on the left too who pretended to care about the erosion of civil liberties and the unprecedented expansion of executive power under Bush, yet are now mysteriously silent when Obama continues and even extends those policies.
Those are my very special enemies, btw. Believe it or not, the vast majority of my ire is directed at the people allegedly on my own side-- not on the right. It's just that you don't often get to see that here, because lefty criticisms of Obama and the left aren't the ones that are usually under discussion here-- though i try to throw them in where appropriate.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:28am |
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:28am |
re: #458 MandyManners
Down the memory hole with you!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Not to demean progressives as a whole, but doesn't it seem that thuggishness is the default position of this administration?
/Maybe it's "the Chicago way"?
cheers
eon
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:35am |
re: #466 Fenway_Nation
Wonder what 0bama himself has planned for today. Hope he has the decency to take a day off from being Used-Car-Salesman in Chief.
He's attending a memorial service of course. Like many of us.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:39am |
re: #447 BatGuano
Mandy! I bought the album in 1977 and I still have it.
Excellent album! Played that to death in my younger years!
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:03am |
re: #465 thedopefishlives
Mornin' {Mandy}. That's some freaky stuff right there.
Not any more. It's gone.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:40am |
re: #469 eon
Not to demean progressives as a whole, but doesn't it seem that thuggishness is the default position of this administration?
/Maybe it's "the Chicago way"?
cheers
eon
Ya' think?
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:09:17am |
re: #465 thedopefishlives
Mornin' {Mandy}. That's some freaky stuff right there.
"The heirs of Osama Bin Laden" A man who planned & financed the slaughter of thousands of people & opposing Obama Care makes you like Bin Laden?
These people are despicable.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:09:43am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Not any more. It's gone.
It being gone doesn't mean it's any less freaky. Actually, it kind of disturbs me even more when stuff like that mysteriously vanishes. Sure, they may know they crossed a line somewhere, but it makes me wonder how much more of this type of rhetoric is going on behind the scenes.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:10:23am |
ACORN and how to lie about pedophilia to the IRS.
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:10:29am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Not any more. It's gone.
Well, that was quick.
They probably wish they could "delete" The One's gaffes in speeches as easily.
///?
cheers
eon
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razorbacker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:10:56am |
Well, Boys and Girls, there's my hour for today. Close enough for government work, anyways.
Nice and foggy out this morning. I like that. Something about being outside and seeing that fog burn off that appeals to me.
I'd have made a great resident of Victorian London, except I know that the famous 'fog' was mostly smog. But, I wouldn't have know it then, I guess, so it'd be all have been good.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:13am |
Biden will represent the Administgration today at Ground Zero.
Good, & I hope Obama continues to not make the day about him.
Is he capable?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:22am |
re: #476 MandyManners
ACORN and how to lie about pedophilia to the IRS.
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
Just an isolated incident.
/
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:23am |
re: #475 thedopefishlives
It being gone doesn't mean it's any less freaky. Actually, it kind of disturbs me even more when stuff like that mysteriously vanishes. Sure, they may know they crossed a line somewhere, but it makes me wonder how much more of this type of rhetoric is going on behind the scenes.
Remember all the threads Charles had up during the campaign about FCBBHO's memory hole?
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:26am |
re: #473 MandyManners
Ya' think?
Mightn't the fact that it is in fact gone mean someone realized it was a stupid thing to say/do and put a stop to it?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:12:08am |
re: #481 MandyManners
Remember all the threads Charles had up during the campaign about FCBBHO's memory hole?
Quite clearly. It is the de facto operating standard of Chicago politics, I know, but ... ugh. I don't like to think about it (even though I must).
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:12:36am |
re: #475 thedopefishlives
It being gone doesn't mean it's any less freaky. Actually, it kind of disturbs me even more when stuff like that mysteriously vanishes. Sure, they may know they crossed a line somewhere, but it makes me wonder how much more of this type of rhetoric is going on behind the scenes.
We probably only scratched the surface. They are pretty bold until they get caught.
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opnion Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:12:56am |
re: #469 eon
Not to demean progressives as a whole, but doesn't it seem that thuggishness is the default position of this administration?
/Maybe it's "the Chicago way"?
cheers
eon
You mean like sending SEIU thugs to a Town Hall in Tampa , where the rough up an old guy with Stage 4 cancer?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:13:25am |
re: #483 BatGuano
Fare thee well, steamy, squishy fecal expulsion of the battish persuasion!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:17:05am |
Well good morning all. Today is a very somber day for me. Remembering what happened, where I was, what I was doing. Lest we forget? Never forget.
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Capitalist Tool Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:17:41am |
Mandy- I hoisted one to you the other night when my buddies and I knocked out that bottle of Basil Hayden.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:17:43am |
The weather here is just miserable this morning. Strong winds are ripping apart my garden--huge leaves from my elephant ears plants are on my front lawn. We've had 4 inches of rain over night and now the weather channel says tornado warning.
Ack! I now have to drive to work in this.
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:34am |
re: #486 opnion
You mean like sending SEIU thugs to a Town Hall in Tampa , where the rough up an old guy with Stage 4 cancer?
I hadn't heard about that one. If true, it doesn't surprise me (unfortunately). In the past, I've had just enough contact with "government employee" unions to have as profound a distrust of same as I do of some of the elements of the UMW and Teamsters.
/Hint; if UMW "enforcers" mistake you for a "scab" because you and said individual drive nearly-identical cars, a 1911 makes a much better argument for not getting stomped into the pavement than trying to convince them of your true identity with your driver's license. Been there, done that, luckily no one got hurt- especially me.
cheers
eon
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:49am |
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:54am |
re: #479 opnion
Biden will represent the Administgration today at Ground Zero.
Good, & I hope Obama continues to not make the day about him.
Is he capable?
For all the people determined to make shit up today and claim that Obama doesn't care about 9-11, let me just direct you to this:
Obama's 9/11 gift: Does the right thing and restores WTC health czar
President Obama yesterday performed a valuable service for the thousands of sickened 9/11 rescue and recovery workers. He reappointed the indomitable Dr. John Howard as World Trade Center health coordinator.Howard was head of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health when President George Bush tapped him to lead government efforts to track what were then unexplained illnesses afflicting those who'd been exposed to toxic dust downtown.
Howard did his job, thoroughly and aggressively. After months of investigation, he became the first federal official to acknowledge that the debilitating ailments were both real and directly attributable to 9/11 service.
For his trouble, Howard was roundly punished in the administration. His budget was slashed, his authority was undercut and finally he was ignominiously fired from NIOSH over the Fourth of July weekend last year.
But feel free to engage in your ODS, find weird symbolism and 'proof' that Obama hates America and 9-11 on the basis of eating Dijon mustard today, and explain to me why the New York Daily News doesn't know the 'true' meaning of 9-11.
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BatGuano Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:22am |
Nothing from Google. I mean it this time; goodnight.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:31am |
re: #451 Capitalist Tool
Breakfast recipe:
150gr FMJBT
47gr 4895
WLR
LC53 case
Place lovingly into the Garand
Shake and Bake
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WinterCat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:39am |
re: #476 MandyManners
ACORN and how to lie about pedophilia to the IRS.
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
Good item Mandy. I watched this last night. Somehow, I am not surprised at what occurred in the video. Let's hope this gets lots of airing.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:44am |
Does anybody else have Life in a Northern Town by Dream Acadamey stuck in their heads, or is it just me?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:12am |
Photo by Thomas E. Franklin.
God bless all those heroes and innocent victims of that dark day in American history, as well as the brave and dedicated men and women fighting and working to keep us safe from further attack by the soulless, godless cowards who kill innocent civilians and hide behind their women and children.
/and a big hearty [expletive deleted] you to al Qaeda and malignant, misogynist Islamic jihadi hell spawn everywhere
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BlueCanuck Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:16am |
re: #474 opnion
"The heirs of Osama Bin Laden" A man who planned & financed the slaughter of thousands of people & opposing Obama Care makes you like Bin Laden?
These people are despicable.
The 21st century version of godwins rule.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:50am |
Good morning, lizards.
A very sober Friday morning.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:21:37am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Shit that's classic. The B-side of the original record perfectly fits the weather and ambiance outside my window right now.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:00am |
re: #498 Fenway_Nation
Does anybody else have Life in a Northern Town by Dream Acadamey stuck in their heads, or is it just me?
Fenway! I posted that just the other night! or I meant to! Seriously! It's been in my head for like 36 hours...
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:05am |
re: #498 Fenway_Nation
Does anybody else have Life in a Northern Town by Dream Acadamey stuck in their heads, or is it just me?
Just you. I can't get Carolina Drama by The Raconteurs out of my head.
What is it you call that? Earworm?
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:11am |
As for memory holes in general, I think it's important to note when things change or disappear, but the concept of "sweeping things under the rug" is something I find odd in the internet era. Anyone who's net savvy knows that almost anything that goes up on the net gets archived, and can be recalled. The question I want to ask is, if a politician or any other entity puts something up that they regret, or change their mind about, or want to retract, what are they supposed to do? Leave the page up with a big "Update: We don't mean this anymore" notice? Replace it with a 404 type page saying "We've taken this page down because we made a mistake?". What would be the proper etiquette for removing a controversial thing from a website?
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:32am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Nobody does this song like Marvin.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:22am |
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kcladderman Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:37am |
re: #508 Coracle
As for memory holes in general, I think it's important to note when things change or disappear, but the concept of "sweeping things under the rug" is something I find odd in the internet era. Anyone who's net savvy knows that almost anything that goes up on the net gets archived, and can be recalled. The question I want to ask is, if a politician or any other entity puts something up that they regret, or change their mind about, or want to retract, what are they supposed to do? Leave the page up with a big "Update: We don't mean this anymore" notice? Replace it with a 404 type page saying "We've taken this page down because we made a mistake?". What would be the proper etiquette for removing a controversial thing from a website?
How about not comparing Americans who oppose you as heirs of Bin Laden in the first place .
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:27:05am |
It was eight years ago. Eight years since our new reality was created. On that fateful day, September 11th, 2001, our freedom was attempted to be stripped from us. Because of those four planes, terrorists, and thousands of American lives lost, we now live in a new reality. A reality which we did not necessarily choose to live in, but one to which we are now obliged for the rest of our lives. It is a reality under a new threat that had never before been realized. There's a daily reminder of September 11th, 2001. In the news, in our minds. The images play in my mind constantly. So many people lost their lives on that day, for the sole reason that they were American. American, just like you and I, trying to provide an honest living for their families--taking the OPPORTUNITIES that our country had given them to do so. Terrorists have attempted to take what we have fought for, what we have paid for with our blood, sweat and tears over centuries, but we have risen stronger and fiercer. This new threat is indeed too real, but what is also real is the resolve of the American people. That resolve is greater than anything, and is one of the things that make me so proud to be an American.
Since that day, many measures have been taken to prevent another, possibly more catastrophic event from taking place. We must realize the threat, and we must be aware. People assume that they are now safe from evil because seven years have passed. They think that it's okay to act hesitantly and react rather than act. That should not be the case, and is a dangerous line of thinking.
We cannot live the way we did before, because if we forget the lessons learned from September 11th, 2001, history will repeat itself. We MUST come together and realize the true enemies. WE MUST fight together as one nation, rather than sit here and fight amongst ourselves. We must NEVER relent, and never give up. We must NEVER fall into a false sense of security. This is what the enemy wants, and being apathetic, oblivious, and careless will only validate their ultimate goals.
Over the last year and a half, we have lost sight of the importance in fighting against this enemy. Instead, our daily thoughts are with the economic situation that has plagued the world. While focusing on these problems is important, giving too much attention and not enough to a regrouping and still-very-alive threat is perilous, reckless, and potentially very destructive. With a new administration in tow, I can only hope that the importance of strong foreign policy is not lost upon them, and that they will continue to do whatever it takes to keep this nation and its’ people safe from further attack.
After all, as Ronald Reagan once said, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
I feel personally attacked, offended, and hurt every day that some factions of people want to kill ME and destroy MY country, simply because I am an American.
They may have broken our hearts, but they will never, EVER, break our spirit.
9/11/2001. Never Again.
God Bless America
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:28:08am |
re: #513 kcladderman
How about not comparing Americans who oppose you as heirs of Bin Laden in the first place .
That certainly would have been a lovely strategy for the republicans to internalise from 2001- well, now, actually.
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legalpad Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:28:14am |
What's the deal with these green infolinks? They are normal ads, except that they take over my browser.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:29:39am |
If some of you have time this morning I'm collecting personal remembrances of the day for my archives, and I'd appreciate your contribution.
Click on the bue.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:29:55am |
re: #513 kcladderman
How about not comparing Americans who oppose you as heirs of Bin Laden in the first place .
Clearly that would be better. I wouldn't argue that a stupid mistake was not made in that particular case. But once you've stepped in it. How do you scrape it off? What is the proper atonement? It seems, in your mind, simple backing away and erasure of the stupidity is not enough. Do you require some kind of public mea culpa? Or is any stain permanent no matter what?
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:30:44am |
re: #501 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
A very sober Friday morning.
Good morning Rose, I hope you are well.
Please thank your son for me (again) for his service, and accept my very best wishes for you both. Said it before, but today especially it should be said again.
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kcladderman Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:30:49am |
re: #515 iceweasel
That certainly would have been a lovely strategy for the republicans to internalise from 2001- well, now, actually.
Do you have a link to a post on the official George W Bush website where he did such a thing. I mean this is the Presidents web site not Toby Keiths.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:32:38am |
re: #520 iceweasel
Good morning Rose, I hope you are well.
Please thank your son for me (again) for his service, and accept my very best wishes for you both. Said it before, but today especially it should be said again.
Thanks ice.
He's back in San Diego now and I have word this morning that he's been deployed.
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kcladderman Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:34:03am |
re: #518 Coracle
Clearly that would be better. I wouldn't argue that a stupid mistake was not made in that particular case. But once you've stepped in it. How do you scrape it off? What is the proper atonement? It seems, in your mind, simple backing away and erasure of the stupidity is not enough. Do you require some kind of public mea culpa? Or is any stain permanent no matter what?
In some cases yes a stain is permanent some things can not be unsaid.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:34:09am |
re: #521 kcladderman
Do you have a link to a post on the official George W Bush website where he did such a thing. I mean this is the Presidents web site not Toby Keiths.
Where are you moving your goalposts to now?
Many Republicans (and right wing pundits) claimed (and still do) that any objections to, or even questions about, the Iraq war were unamerican, treasonous, traitorous. This is extremely well documented.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:34:38am |
Lest we forget:
[Link: digitaljournalist.org...]
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:34:54am |
re: #522 Irish Rose
Thanks ice.
He's back in San Diego now and I have word this morning that he's been deployed.
Prayers for his safe return home.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:35:32am |
re: #522 Irish Rose
Thanks ice.
He's back in San Diego now and I have word this morning that he's been deployed.
I'll keep you both in my thoughts and wish for him to come home safe and soon. xxx
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:35:42am |
re: #525 iceweasel
Where are you moving your goalposts to now?
Many Republicans (and right wing pundits) claimed (and still do) that any objections to, or even questions about, the Iraq war were unamerican, treasonous, traitorous. This is extremely well documented.
Alright, and this is comparable to opposing ObamaCare how? Remember, one is a WAR. We are supposed to support our country at war. It is documented that terrorists have used, and will continue to use, statements of doubt in the Iraq war as propaganda tools for recruitment purposes.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:38:10am |
re: #530 thedopefishlives
Accusations of treason imply the ostracizing and death sentence associated with that capital crime.
Come to think about it, that's similar to the mentality Universal Health-Care proponents around my age bracket take to opponents of the policy...that if you don't like it you're effectively a murderer for allowing people to lose their homes and families over a lack of adequately-covering health insurance.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:38:23am |
re: #525 iceweasel
Just like the shelf life for dissent being patriotic expired sometime in January 2009?
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:38:32am |
re: #481 MandyManners
Remember all the threads Charles had up during the campaign about FCBBHO's memory hole?
"That's not the mybarackobama that I knew..."
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:39:28am |
Joe Wilson. Bad, move, bad protocol, bad decorum, what ever, but maybe not bad information.
All my attention to language in the health care proposal has been to the two available versions, HR 3200 and "‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009."
Those two proposals do have language about aliens...
3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
4 ALIENS.
5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
7 not lawfully present in the United States.
I have know that there are other proposals floating around, at least 4 in the Senate, but I have not found them for public consumption.
It's possible that these other proposals DO NOT have the above language or anything that would deny health care benefits to aliens.
So, possibly we are NOT getting the whole picture. See this article...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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BlueCanuck Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:39:34am |
re: #525 iceweasel
Where are you moving your goalposts to now?
Many Republicans (and right wing pundits) claimed (and still do) that any objections to, or even questions about, the Iraq war were unamerican, treasonous, traitorous. This is extremely well documented.
Well yes that was said and done. Weren't some in their own way giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Like those human shields in Iraq? Big difference to actually calling them the progeny of some terrorist group. Especially when it would have been more fitting in that context.
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kcladderman Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:39:35am |
re: #525 iceweasel
Where are you moving your goalposts to now?
Many Republicans (and right wing pundits) claimed (and still do) that any objections to, or even questions about, the Iraq war were unamerican, treasonous, traitorous. This is extremely well documented.
I am not moving any goal posts. I simply commented that such a statement should not of been made of the Official web site. You are the one who broaden it to include any republicans. I am not talking about any republicans or pundits I am talking about The Official web site of Obama the President of the United States.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:39:41am |
re: #530 thedopefishlives
Alright, and this is comparable to opposing ObamaCare how? Remember, one is a WAR. We are supposed to support our country at war. It is documented that terrorists have used, and will continue to use, statements of doubt in the Iraq war as propaganda tools for recruitment purposes.
I think it might be better if you and I discuss this question tomorrow, later in the weekend, or Monday. I'm not avoiding your question by any means and look forward to answering it-- but I know my temper's running high today and I would very likely be unnecessarily rude to you. I would like to not do that.
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eon Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:40:36am |
Well, errands await. Have to run.
Have a great day, Lizards.
Never Forget.
cheers
eon
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:40:45am |
re: #533 Dar ul Harb
"I cannot disown mybarackobama.com as much as I can my white nephew*, vibrant and full of youthful energy, but prone to saying outlandishly childish things that make me cringe."
/*relative assumed, for purposes relating to continuing the joke.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:41:03am |
re: #530 thedopefishlives
Alright, and this is comparable to opposing ObamaCare how? Remember, one is a WAR. We are supposed to support our country at war. It is documented that terrorists have used, and will continue to use, statements of doubt in the Iraq war as propaganda tools for recruitment purposes.
The use of words like "crusade" in the war against terrorism didn't help either. A mistake made very early on, by the President, in the days after the attack. A mistake that was backed away from. Should that mistake be forgiven or hammered upon ad infinitum?
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:41:41am |
re: #532 Fenway_Nation
Just like the shelf life for dissent being patriotic expired sometime in January 2009?
That's false, of course.
Dissent is great. Carrying loaded weapons to townhalls on healthcare is not great.
Screaming out "You Lie!" is not great--- and no one here would have defended it had a Democrat done it during a Bush speech, btw.
| 543 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:42:06am |
Morning, everyone. About 5 min. Told my young boys this morning about the Firemen rushing in while everyone else rushed out. I think they got it.
| 544 |
Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:42:38am |
The resident frozen rodent is not having a good day, it seems.
(I don't know how to do half a sarc tag.)
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:42:39am |
re: #512 MandyManners
I recognize some of the footage in that video, it's from "9/11 - The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition (2002)", filmed by the Naudet brothers. An absolutely extraordinary documentary, with some of the most gut-wrenching moments from 9/11 ever caught on film. We watch it every year at our house, to commemorate the day.
| 546 |
Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:43:09am |
re: #545 Irish Rose
And seriously, I need coffee.
BRB.
| 547 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:44:01am |
re: #545 Irish Rose
The explosions are bodies hitting the ground.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:44:35am |
re: #538 taxfreekiller
gaze X 10th power
Yeah, that was extremely convincing.
Poor sad tfk
even today, he rants away
It's John Kerry's fault!
| 550 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:44:52am |
Back to something more on-topic, I know a guy who collects antique biker leather gear. In recent years, he started picking up a collection of firemens' boots, including probably one of the most priceless treasures I could imagine - a pair of boots from FDNY that were worn on 9/11. They still had Ground Zero dust and grit caked onto them.
| 551 |
Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:45:55am |
re: #547 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hard to imagine ever being in a situation where jumping to your certain demise is actually the much more preferable option.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:45:58am |
re: #549 taxfreekiller
1966 to 1972 full time treason by SDS, Weather Underground, Vietnam vets against the war , John F. Kerry etal.
Now they are the new czar's still lead by William Ayers.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:47:06am |
re: #547 Cannadian Club Akbar
The explosions are bodies hitting the ground.
Yes, and you can see it on their faces.
I can't even imagine.
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:47:18am |
re: #542 iceweasel
Dissent is great. Carrying loaded weapons to townhalls on healthcare is not great.
Not smart politics, anyway.
Screaming out "You Lie!" is not great--- and no one here would have defended it had a Democrat done it during a Bush speech, btw.
Quite frankly, we might have a better government if we instituted something like the British Prime Minister's Question Time.
I yield to the right honourable gentleman from icyweaselland.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:48:07am |
re: #555 Dar ul Harb
I think Ice is a she-weasel.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:48:30am |
re: #550 thedopefishlives
Back to something more on-topic, I know a guy who collects antique biker leather gear. In recent years, he started picking up a collection of firemens' boots, including probably one of the most priceless treasures I could imagine - a pair of boots from FDNY that were worn on 9/11. They still had Ground Zero dust and grit caked onto them.
Does he know who they belonged to?
| 559 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:49:37am |
re: #556 taxfreekiller
TFK is not sad, in fact happy, the ones of treason have now moved out into the open and are now seen more clear, now we the people will know who to vote out.
You talk over and over and over and over (and over (and over) ) again about voting them all out. Who do you propose to replace them with?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:50:19am |
re: #558 Irish Rose
Does he know who they belonged to?
I presume he does, but I haven't had contact with him since I graduated college three years back. He's a major supporter of FDNY and even designed and maintained a website for one of the ladder houses in NYC.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:50:55am |
re: #555 Dar ul Harb
Quite frankly, we might have a better government if we instituted something like the British Prime Minister's Question Time.
I've thought about that too. I wonder if it would improve dialog, or simply make everyone even more strident.
| 563 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:51:41am |
re: #559 Coracle
You talk over and over and over and over (and over (and over) ) again about voting them all out. Who do you propose to replace them with?
Well, if you vote people out, obviously it's because they're running against other opponents. So obviously, the opponents would take their slot.
Of course, whether that's effective or not is not really up to debate, considering all politicians are pieces of shit.
| 564 |
VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:53:37am |
re: #534 Walter L. Newton
Or it is possible that some sort of amnesty will make them citizens at some point.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:53:47am |
re: #557 Spenser (with an S)
I think Ice is a she-weasel.
correct.
Bye everyone. I hope everyone can set aside some of our instinctive partisan and ideological bickering and spare some time to think about that day, the many fallen, the rescue workers, and most of all remember that this is not a partisan issue but an American one-- and loving America is never the property of only one political party, whatever our differences.
Namaste.
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The Left Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:54:38am |
re: #562 Coracle
I've thought about that too. I wonder if it would improve dialog, or simply make everyone even more strident.
PM's QT ROCKS!
Later for real now. cheers, iDub
| 567 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:55:27am |
re: #563 TheMatrix31
Well, if you vote people out, obviously it's because they're running against other opponents. So obviously, the opponents would take their slot.
Of course, whether that's effective or not is not really up to debate, considering all politicians are pieces of shit.
Yes. Every single one./
But that then begs the question. If you're simply voting more shit in to replace the shit you're voting out, you've effectively done nothing. If that were the case advocating "vote them all out" would actually mean "do effectively nothing other than churn the shit over". I don't think tfk actually means that. But I could be wrong.
| 568 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:57:27am |
re: #567 Coracle
Yes. Every single one./
But that then begs the question. If you're simply voting more shit in to replace the shit you're voting out, you've effectively done nothing. If that were the case advocating "vote them all out" would actually mean "do effectively nothing other than churn the shit over". I don't think tfk actually means that. But I could be wrong.
Well, it sends a message that your job isn't secure.
| 569 |
legalpad Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:58:12am |
re: #562 Coracle
Never underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:01:42am |
From Drudge -
BLITZ: OBAMA TO GIVE SPEECH ABOUT FINANCIAL CRISIS ON MONDAY; AFTER DOING '60 MINUTES' ON SUNDAY...
Our very own Earl Scheib of politics & ObamaCare®.
| 572 |
Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:02:56am |
Korean War Vet, Survivor of 1981 Weather Underground & Black Sepratist Armoured Car Robbery Joseph Trombino Among Those Murdered at the World Trade Center Eight Years Ago Today,
| 573 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:03:01am |
re: #571 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
From Drudge -
Our very own Earl Scheib of politics & ObamaCare®.
Ya know we just haven't seen Obama enough on TV lately.
///
| 574 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:04:11am |
re: #571 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
From Drudge -
Our very own Earl Scheib of politics & ObamaCare®.
Good grief, will the man PLEASE just sit down and shut up.
Every time he opens his mouth, something else goes wrong.
| 575 |
Ojoe Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:04:44am |
Well it is 8 years almost to the hour.
It is far, far from over.
| 576 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:06:37am |
re: #574 thedopefishlives
Good grief, will the man PLEASE just sit down and shut up.
Yeah. Who does he think he is, anyway? You'd think he has some kind of personal stake in what happens in this country. Sheesh!
| 577 |
Ojoe Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:07:08am |
re: #559 Coracle
You might check out the new Whig party.
The Modern Whigs
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:07:41am |
re: #573 NJDhockeyfan
Ya know we just haven't seen Obama enough on TV lately.
///
I can't make it through the day without a speech from Dear Leader. I wish they would just put up an OTV channel so we can watch and listen to his sagely and inspiring words all the time. I guess we'll just have to settle for watching him on the continuous loop currently running on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS for now.
/
| 579 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:00am |
re: #576 Coracle
Overexposure. No President has been as overexposed. I'm sure it could be proven statistically if someone tried.
| 580 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:12am |
re: #576 Coracle
Yeah. Who does he think he is, anyway? You'd think he has some kind of personal stake in what happens in this country. Sheesh!
You know, pretty much every President in the history of this country has done a fine job of leading this country without speaking to the people every other day.
| 581 |
FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:19am |
A cold look at the text of Obama's speech.
Great points...
Hi all.
| 582 |
Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:34am |
Again, if you have a personal memory of the day and you have some time to write it down, I'd appreciate your first-hand accounts for my archive.
| 583 |
JHW Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:09:24am |
I'll never forget this man. A lot of people are alive today because of his unselfish courage. Rick Rescorla Memorial Page
| 584 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:04am |
a couple of months ago I learned that my wife's boss here in chicago had a niece who was one of the murdered on 9-11 and that her son-in-law lived only a block from the WTC. Her mother said the smell was the same smell she remembered from when she was in Dachou.
I tried to watch the slide show but I always loose it when I see the photo's of the people jumping to there deaths.
yesterday my son in Israel said the bus he works on as a guard had large rock tossed throw the front window.
| 585 |
FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:16am |
It's another somber anniversary today. God bless all of those who died that horrible day - and the families that are left to grieve.
| 586 |
Ojoe Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:17am |
re: #582 Irish Rose
I was listening to the news & I was shaking & it was September & I was not cold.
| 587 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:35am |
I welcome President Obama's speeches. With each one more American's begin to understand and he loses a point or two.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:23am |
re: #577 Ojoe
You might check out the new Whig party.
The Modern Whigs
Heh. You think tfk might go Modern Whig? I checked it out some months ago. The party has in interesting mix on the issies - a bit heavier on the states rights than I am. Not sure it's for me in particular.
| 589 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:50am |
I met a woman whose son worked at the Pentagon. He was outside smoking a cigarette and witnessed the plane hitting the building.
| 590 |
Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:12:03am |
re: #586 Ojoe
I was listening to the news & I was shaking & it was September & I was not cold.
Click the blue.
| 591 |
Ojoe Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:12:19am |
| 592 |
FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:12:33am |
re: #534 Walter L. Newton
Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.
Makes me feel warm and fuzzy - and full of warm fuzzy trust. Our elected officials are all geniuses - they would never lie to us.
///
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:12:42am |
re: #582 Irish Rose
Again, if you have a personal memory of the day and you have some time to write it down, I'd appreciate your first-hand accounts for my archive.
Sure...
My cousin, who manages insurance policies for nautical companies was in the North Tower at 9:00am for a meeting. He left about 9:06 because the client had not show up.
| 594 |
FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:13:41am |
re: #593 Walter L. Newton
Sure...
My cousin, who manages insurance policies for nautical companies was in the North Tower at 9:00am for a meeting. He left about 9:06 because the client had not show up.
Good thing your cousin isn't patient.
| 595 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:14:03am |
| 596 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:14:48am |
re: #588 Coracle
Heh. You think tfk might go Modern Whig? I checked it out some months ago. The party has in interesting mix on the issies - a bit heavier on the states rights than I am. Not sure it's for me in particular.
No kidding, wouldn't want those states to have too many right, next thing you know, the damn little people who live in those annoying states will be wanting rights.
| 597 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:16:09am |
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:16:22am |
re: #593 Walter L. Newton
Please post it on the blog if you have time, and are so inclined.
| 599 |
JamesTKirk Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:16:32am |
re: #10 Desert Dog
Gee, on paper, that business plan seemed so good...
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:17:08am |
re: #596 Walter L. Newton
No kidding, wouldn't want those states to have too many right, next thing you know, the damn little people who live in those annoying states will be wanting rights.
Darn tootin'. Can't have that.
| 601 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:18:35am |
re: #592 FrogMarch
Makes me feel warm and fuzzy - and full of warm fuzzy trust. Our elected officials are all geniuses - they would never lie to us.
///
Most Lizards know, I've been keeping up close with the health care stuff, and right or wrong, I try to bring what appears to be truth to the table on LGF.
It annoys me that the donks in Washington are talking and debating and pontificating from one set of rules while we have something different out in the boonies.
Why are not ALL versions, all proposals, all the same material they have available to us?
I any Lizards know of links to anything beside HR 3200 and the newer version "America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" please let me know. I have these.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:19:38am |
re: #600 Coracle
Darn tootin'. Can't have that.
Well, I didn't use a sarcasm tag, and neither did you, so, I guess we both understand where you stand on states rights.
| 604 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:20:52am |
| 605 |
aggieann Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:20:58am |
Eight years ago, a coworker had a daughter who worked for a Big 8 accounting firm in Houston. The daughter was on the phone with her boss, who worked in one of the towers, when the first plane hit. His last words: "Tell my wife I love her."
| 606 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:21:44am |
Alright guys, I'm going to force myself to sleep. I have to be up in four hours to go to work. I don't know how I'm going to sleep though. I'll probably have nightmares.
Please, if you haven't done so yet, read my #514.
Good night, and God Bless America.
| 607 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:22:58am |
re: #603 Walter L. Newton
Well, I didn't use a sarcasm tag, and neither did you, so, I guess we both understand where you stand on states rights.
Probably not, actually. I would guess you are a little more Whiggish about it than I am, but I don't personally know what the balance really should be, and find myself on different sides of different issues. Federal/State rule is one of the fundamental American balancing acts, after all.
| 608 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:25:05am |
re: #607 Coracle
Probably not, actually. I would guess you are a little more Whiggish about it than I am, but I don't personally know what the balance really should be, and find myself on different sides of different issues. Federal/State rule is one of the fundamental American balancing acts, after all.
I'll have you know that at 56, I have a full head of hair and it is down to my shoulders and I have never needed a whig.
| 609 |
JamesTKirk Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:25:48am |
re: #43 Boondock St. Bender
I've said it before,i'll say it again,the dems and the media are drooling in anticipation to have an inelligent design candidate run in2012.
| 610 |
Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:26:39am |
re: #608 Walter L. Newton
I'll have you know that at 56, I have a full head of hair and it is down to my shoulders and I have never needed a whig.
Damn hippie.
(Do I really need the "/"? Just to be on the safe side ->) /
| 611 |
laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:28:14am |
re: #601 Walter L. Newton
Opencongress.org?
Of course, there's also the direct-to-single-payer bill HR 676...
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Pianobuff Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:28:45am |
Anybody have more details on this?
Owosso Sign Guy Fatally Shot Near Owosso High School
Anti-abortion activist shot in front of Owosso High School
It seems to be a new/developing story.
| 613 |
Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:28:58am |
re: #608 Walter L. Newton
I'll have you know that at 56, I have a full head of hair and it is down to my shoulders and I have never needed a whig.
OT I know but I saw a gentlemen at the store yesterday who had a fabulous, nicely-maintained pony... went all the way down to his derriere.
I love long hair on men.
| 614 |
lawhawk Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:29:28am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. As many of you know, I was in NYC on 9/11 and worked just about a mile north of Ground Zero. I now work across the street, and Ground Zero has become quite a tourist destination - a place where people see the visceral effects of terrorism and mass murder on an unimaginable scale.
Since 9/11, I've followed the efforts to first recover the victims, then the efforts to figure out what to do with the site, and now with the reconstruction efforts. It has gone far slower than it should have - all the infighting and incompetence from politicians who wanted soundbites instead of delivering leadership - that includes NY and NJ governors, the Port Authority, Mayor Bloomberg, local politicians and even the US Senators from New York.
While the effort was made initially to make sure that whatever funds were needed to rebuild, the current construction efforts are hobbled because of the credit market meltdown, which threatens to stall reconstruction of 3 of the office towers planned at the site.
Still, there has been significant progress since last year. Much of the steel for the 9/11 memorial and museum has been installed, and the Freedom Tower now rises above Ground Zero in the NW corner of the site. 4WTC is slowly rising from the SE corner. There is activity all over the site, but it may be a decade or more before the whole site is built out. And I will do my best to catalog and detail those efforts along the way. More here (including photos).
| 615 |
MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:31:28am |
| 616 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:31:38am |
re: #611 laZardo
Opencongress.org?
Of course, there's also the direct-to-single-payer bill HR 676...
Thanks, I'll look that stuff up. It makes me wonder, since there are other proposals, then why has all the media and sources concentrated on HR 3200?
I've followed this as best I can, and I never even heard of HR 676.
| 617 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:33:01am |
re: #612 Pianobuff
this will not get the tiller coverage in the MSM or even here i suspect. but is it really any different?
| 618 |
mattm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:34:31am |
Never forget the 2,974 innocent victims who were Murdered by Islamic Terrorists today.
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Van Helsing Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:35:19am |
re: #607 Coracle
Probably not, actually. I would guess you are a little more Whiggish about it than I am, but I don't personally know what the balance really should be, and find myself on different sides of different issues. Federal/State rule is one of the fundamental American balancing acts, after all.
I would say a quick read of the Bill of Rights would be good starting point.
And with that drive by semi-snark, off to oppress the proles.
| 620 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:36:06am |
re: #613 Irish Rose
OT I know but I saw a gentlemen at the store yesterday who had a fabulous, nicely-maintained pony... went all the way down to his derriere.
I love long hair on men.
I don't like the pony though, I prefer it falling down on both sides of my neck.
I may have to cut it by November. Our Christmas show at the theatre where I work is "Wonderful Lfe" placed in a radio studio, with 5 actors doing 120 different characters and a stage manager/sound effects guy on stage doing the special effects.
They may take me out of my tech booth and throw me on stage to play the 6th character, the stage manager. The 1940's and long hair won't work. Cut it.
| 621 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:04am |
re: #611 laZardo
Opencongress.org?
Of course, there's also the direct-to-single-payer bill HR 676...
Ok...
H.R.676 Title: To provide for comprehensive health insurance coverage for all United States residents, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] (introduced 2/8/2005) Cosponsors (78) Latest Major Action: 4/4/2005 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health.
I don't think this is active?
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kcladderman Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:30am |
re: #551 Fenway_Nation
Hard to imagine ever being in a situation where jumping to your certain demise is actually the much more preferable option.
re: #618 mattm
Never forget the 2,974 innocent victims who were Murdered by Islamic Terrorists today.
I never will. I will also never forget those who danced in the streets after the attacks.
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Pianobuff Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:31am |
re: #617 yochanan
this will not get the tiller coverage in the MSM or even here i suspect. but is it really any different?
Here is another local article I found from a local NBC affiliate: Owosso High School Remains on Lockdown
The Owosso High School is on lockdown until further notice.
The entire school district was put on lock down early this morning, after an anti-abortion activist was shot multiple times and killed outside the High School. The Elementary, Middle, and Alternative Ed school have been taken off the lockdown. The High School students should be addressed soon.
NBC25 is told he was a well-known anti-abortion activist in the city of Owosso and stands in very visible areas with large graphic anti-abortion signs.
The interim superintendent, Susan Wooden says he was also well known at the High School where he would stand most mornings while students walked into school.
Police have informed Wooden they do have someone in custody at this time.
For more information call[no phone numbers allowed] at the administration building.
Stay with NBC25 for further details.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:39am |
re: #545 Irish Rose
I watch that documentary every year, too, Rose.
| 625 |
laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:41am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, I'll look that stuff up. It makes me wonder, since there are other proposals, then why has all the media and sources concentrated on HR 3200?
I've followed this as best I can, and I never even heard of HR 676.
676 is the "fringe" version. Only 30 pages long, too, so at least the authors can be credited with honesty. q;
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:37:55am |
re: #587 unrealizedviewpoint
I welcome President Obama's speeches. With each one more American's begin to understand and he loses a point or two.
I missed this phenomenon. Which speeches caused him to lose points? I haven't seen any polls backing that up regarding his latest.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:39:00am |
re: #621 Walter L. Newton
Huh. Wiki says it's been introduced at every Congress since 2003 so maybe the content is really unchanged.
Here's the Library of Congress version, introduced 26 January '09.
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:40:36am |
re: #620 Walter L. Newton
They may take me out of my tech booth and throw me on stage to play the 6th character, the stage manager. The 1940's and long hair won't work. Cut it.
Hell no.
Put it up under a hat.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:41:59am |
re: #625 laZardo
676 is the "fringe" version. Only 30 pages long, too, so at least the authors can be credited with honesty. q;
I looked more into it. It's Conyers and Kucinich, wacky time, this is not what I am looking for.
There are currently at least 4 more CURRENT versions of proposals floating around, and I can't seem to find copies, yet it is these other proposals that Joe Wilson was talking about when he said it did allow illegal aliens to receive benefits.
His method may have been stupid and suspect, but his info may not have been skewed.
I want those proposals.
We are not being given the whole story.
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laZardo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:44:18am |
re: #629 Walter L. Newton
Ah. I'm not sure if those are just amendments to the current bill though.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:44:37am |
re: #627 laZardo
Huh. Wiki says it's been introduced at every Congress since 2003 so maybe the content is really unchanged.
Here's the Library of Congress version, introduced 26 January '09.
Found it. Thanks. It is still "Active." But I'm not sure how much it really has any real support.
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:49:26am |
re: #607 Coracle
Probably not, actually. I would guess you are a little more Whiggish about it than I am, but I don't personally know what the balance really should be, and find myself on different sides of different issues. Federal/State rule is one of the fundamental American balancing acts, after all.
States' rights was a really big issue for Republicans and southern Democrats in the 50's and 60's. By coincidence, this coincided with the civil rights era. We don't hear so much from Republicans about states' rights in regard to over issues for some reason, i.e., medical marijuana.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:55:42am |
re: #524 kcladderman
In some cases yes a stain is permanent some things can not be unsaid.
That fits in well with traditional Christian values like forgiveness and redemption.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:57:10am |
re: #619 Van Helsing
I would say a quick read of the Bill of Rights would be good starting point..
I would agree the Bill of rights an excellent starting point.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:01:07am |
re: #632 Flyers1974
States' rights was a really big issue for Republicans and southern Democrats in the 50's and 60's. By coincidence, this coincided with the civil rights era. We don't hear so much from Republicans about states' rights in regard to over issues for some reason, i.e., medical marijuana.
Hardly a coincidence.
States' Rights was the traditional rallying cry of those who sought to keep the Feds from screwing with their local concepts of civil rights (or lack thereof).
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:02:45am |
re: #524 kcladderman
In some cases yes a stain is permanent some things can not be unsaid.
The question that comes from that is how do you judge which of the "some cases" merit the scarlet letter? Who will you forgive for saying what, and who will you not? That rule, like so many others, is open to ideological abuse.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 8:58:59am |
re: #419 BatGuano
As regards bolivar, and those to come, I will allow anyone the dignity to say goodby as long as they state their case and make a dignified exit.
"Dignified exit," my ass. Are you nuts? What kind of dignified exit is it to spew insults, call everyone here "sycophants," and call me "childish?"
If you'd like to flounce too, don't let me stop you.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:22:56am |
I reconsidered this, after a note from a friend. However I'm still a little astonished that you would defend a post full of insults as "dignified."
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