So sad

Well, to Powerline we say...

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I don't follow Powerline, so I don't know what this means.

Help?

re: #1 kiwiviv

Well, Powerline's been heading in this direction for quite some time. They made the choice to be "all ODS all the time" and to support the Eurofascists. Time was well past to part with them and send them into the abyss of their own making.

I like fish. Red Snapper is yummy.

Whoa. I never read them and had no idea. I have been very busy with other stuff but read LGF and several other bloggers. I just never got into Power Line, even though I heard of it at the same time as LGF (Rathergate).

I wish people wouldn't get so polarized about stuff. It's good to use logic.

I think folks who read both have far more in common than they don't. Too bad, I enjoy both sites, and will continue to frequent both.

re: #3 Pianobuff

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I don't follow Powerline, so I don't know what this means.

Help?

I think it's a tip to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The dolphins leave earth and say that as they leave, but humans don't understand it, of course.

re: #3 Pianobuff

It's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...

Good riddance.

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like fish. Red Snapper is yummy.

Ahhh, red snapper. Mmmm, very tasty. Okay, Weaver, listen carefully. You can hold on to your red snapper...or you can go for what's in the box that Hiro-San is bringing down the aisle right now!!! What's it gonna be?

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

I just haven't had time to read Powerline lately, so I don't know all the background. I HAVE appreciated their thoughtful, intelligent articles over the years, however.

re: #8 vxbush

I think it's a tip to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The dolphins leave earth and say that as they leave, but humans don't understand it, of course.

Ahhh... never read that. Thanks!

Why are the kooks coming out of the rocks?

An acquaintance actually put the fake Kenyan birth certificate up on facebook. At least two of us were quick to point out it was fake, and why.

She also thinks that the insurance companies are trying to move us into socialized medicine (???) and the usual assortment of invitations to rallies and random political thoughts, but I think she sends those to every person on her list.

It's early to go OT, but this thread is really slow, and I don't want to go off topic in the 9/11 thread.
It looks like Obama has realized that talking isn't going tom make Iran get rid of its nuclear program:
US shifting Iran policy toward sanctions

The United States is laying the groundwork for sanctions against Iran after having become increasingly disenchanted with the strategy of engagement, two senior administration officials told Jewish leaders in Washington on Thursday.

William Burns, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, said the Obama administration wants to prepare for sanctions now, so that it will be ready to implement them at the end of the year if it comes to that, and not have to start from scratch at that point.

Top White House Middle East adviser Dennis Ross, appearing beside Burns at the panel discussion with the Jewish leaders, explained that the administration's focus on diplomatic engagement had shifted following the Iranian elections, and indicated that the White House now had a more skeptical view of that approach which could give way to sanctions.

US President Barack Obama has long backed diplomatic outreach, though he has also warned of the possible need for sanctions and referred to keeping "all options on the table."

Or, as this is in front of a Jewish group, it could be like Obama's declaration that Jerusalem should be the united capital of Israel, which was changed a day later.
We'll see. I hope it is the former, and he comes down hard on Iran and the countries that trade with Iran.
I think the West should hold those countries that continue to trade with Iran responsible for any use of nuclear weapons by Iran.
But that will never happen.

re: #13 Pianobuff

It's also the title of the fourth book in the "Hitchhiker's" trilogy.

Don't ask.

re: #13 Pianobuff

Ahhh... never read that. Thanks!

See, humans are actually the SECOND most intelligent species on the planet. The planet is about to be destroyed, and the dolphins (#1 on the list) know it. They try to tell humans for decades, but all humans hear is squeaks. Their message to humans right before the planet is destroyed - "So long and thanks for all the fish" Nice work Charles.

Fog In Channel, PowerLine Cut Off

I found powerline before LGF and liked what I saw - well written stuff by obviously bright people. The near-constant adulation of W turned me off though and I finally stopped reading the site in 2008 after the Nth article vehemently defending warrant-free wiretapping of US Citizens as something totally cool and normal. There was one particular post I remember that sealed the deal (wish I kept the link) but it was along the lines of "...opponents of promiscuous surveillance are enabling and supporting terrorists". I hate when people use the "you agree with me or you support the terrorists" line and after that I never went back.

I'd really like to know the details on that decision...simply wadded undergarments because Charles has been acting as ombudsman of the right wing internet lately?

re: #14 EmmmieG

Why are the kooks coming out of the rocks?

An acquaintance actually put the fake Kenyan birth certificate up on facebook. At least two of us were quick to point out it was fake, and why.

She also thinks that the insurance companies are trying to move us into socialized medicine (???) and the usual assortment of invitations to rallies and random political thoughts, but I think she sends those to every person on her list.

That's almost as bad as those people who claim the Jews run all the banks and are communist at the same time.

re: #3 Pianobuff

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I don't follow Powerline, so I don't know what this means.

Help?

Don't Panic.

OT

Drudge is reporting this.

Anti-abortion activist shot in front of Owosso High School

Along with the Powerline thing (which I didn't know because I've never really visited there), the guys at The Jawa Report came out of the closet on Robert Spencer's side of his eternal feud with Charles. (Well, eternal as far as Robert is concerned.) Slightly disappointing, but at the same time, TJR has always been a little off its rocker, and I think the record vis-a-vis Spencer vs. Charles is clear enough. I don't know why it is that people get so angry at what you do, Charles; all that goes on here is sanity.

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

That's almost as bad as those people who claim the Jews run all the banks and are communist at the same time.

The Jooos run everything, yet were powerless to stop all the oppression over the years. Yeah, that makes sense.

//(Just because there are people out there that are this illogical)

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Along with the Powerline thing (which I didn't know because I've never really visited there), the guys at The Jawa Report came out of the closet on Robert Spencer's side of his eternal feud with Charles. (Well, eternal as far as Robert is concerned.) Slightly disappointing, but at the same time, TJR has always been a little off its rocker, and I think the record vis-a-vis Spencer vs. Charles is clear enough. I don't know why it is that people get so angry at what you do, Charles; all that goes on here is sanity.

I know. It's amazing that anyone could read Spencer's ranting 5000-word insult-laden posts full of lies and evasions, and actually tell me to stop.

re: #23 Simple Voice

OT

Drudge is reporting this.

Anti-abortion activist shot in front of Owosso High School

I wouldn't get too worked up about that yet. The same guy killed somebody in a gravel pit about an hour before. It could be anything.

Thanks for all the fish

re: #3 Pianobuff

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I don't follow Powerline, so I don't know what this means.

Help?

Title of a Douglas Adams novel. It's the last message from the dolphins to the people of Earth.

You can add my blog. :)

/shameless, I know.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't get too worked up about that yet. The same guy killed somebody in a gravel pit about an hour before. It could be anything.

And, on that logic track, it could be everything. Works both ways, doesn't it?

re: #23 Simple Voice

OT

Drudge is reporting this.

Anti-abortion activist shot in front of Owosso High School

I'd recommend that folks take a deep breath and see what information comes up before pre-judging what happened.

There are some local bulletin boards that are suggesting that the main target was a businessman (gravel pit owner) that was killed first, followed by the activist at the school, as an afterthought. I know, sick.

It's tragic, but I'd caution those ready to make accusations or pre-judge the events and motives to wait until more information comes out. (I'm not suggesting you are one of those people, either).

Wow. I came across both blogs for the same reason: Ra^thergate™

re: #30 Alouette

You can add my blog. :)

/shameless, I know.

It is done.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

No doubt the spin will be used against the pro-choice/pro-abortion crowd.
To quote Bob Dylan, "We live in a political world."

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Hi dopie!

I think you owe this lizard an upding: #507

507 borgcube

re: #37 thedopefishlives

Based on what I've seen of your contributions here, I think our nation needs more country bumpkins from typical Midwest high schools than a bunch of sophisticated big city 20-somethings who can't even tie their own shoes and can only write in text message format.

You're an asset to this forum and no doubt to our country as well.

Dear Powerline-

I heard about your blog due to an interview with Brit Hume. I checked you out the next day. After looking around a bit, I found a link called "Little Green Footballs". I've been reading LGF ever since, and to tell you the truth- I rarely went back to your site for anything. Thank you for leading me to LGF, but other than that- I have nothing remarkable to say about your site. You now wish to cast your lot in with kooks and fascists. Enjoy the fleas.

Signed, Sharmuta

re: #30 Alouette

You can add my blog. :)

/shameless, I know.

You could add mine, but I haven't posted anything in ages and I rarely get the buzz to blog.

/useless plug

re: #32 Pianobuff

I'd recommend that folks take a deep breath and see what information comes up before pre-judging what happened.

There are some local bulletin boards that are suggesting that the main target was a businessman (gravel pit owner) that was killed first, followed by the activist at the school, as an afterthought. I know, sick.

It's tragic, but I'd caution those ready to make accusations or pre-judge the events and motives to wait until more information comes out. (I'm not suggesting you are one of those people, either).

The reason why people are so eager to jump to conclusions is because they think it will somehow balance out the murder of Dr. George Tiller. I've already gotten a couple of hate mails from fanatics about this story.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

See where the Cali assemblyman resigned?

-10 for being a lecherous old hypocritical fool
+ 1 for immediatly resigning
___
-9 total Karma points

Maybe he can spend the next few weeks rescuing kitties from trees to get back to even!

re: #36 wrenchwench

Hi dopie!

I think you owe this lizard an upding: #507

Indeed I did. Sorry, I've been hopping on and off all day, meetings at work and such.

ANother OT.
How long has it been known that Inhofe was a Birther? I hadn't seen anything before this.

"Now, on the whole idea of the birth certificate for Obama, for example. You can do that. By the time you got a decision, it’d be ten years from now. And then the damage is already done."

I've never read powerline blog.
Guess I don't need to start

Charles, doing the right thing often creates a lot of headaches and enemies.
but keep doing what you are doing.

you've been an anti idiotarian all along. It is they who have changed, not you

re: #44 TwinkietheKid

I've dealt with it.

re: #37 Sharmuta

Dear Powerline-

I heard about your blog due to an interview with Brit Hume. I checked you out the next day. After looking around a bit, I found a link called "Little Green Footballs". I've been reading LGF ever since, and to tell you the truth- I rarely went back to your site for anything. Thank you for leading me to LGF, but other than that- I have nothing remarkable to say about your site. You now wish to cast your lot in with kooks and fascists. Enjoy the fleas.

Signed, Sharmuta

Probably why they pulled the plug... bleeding readers to LGF doesn't help the fringe cause...

Charles, my 47.

Dude, never quote a troll. Especially the rude, classless ones.

re: #45 Charles

I've dealt with it.

And The Banhammer descends on yet another noob.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't get too worked up about that yet. The same guy killed somebody in a gravel pit about an hour before. It could be anything.

Wait, he killed two people, instead of one, and I'm supposed to stay calm?

/I know what you mean. Better random than targeted in a way.

That's what you get for having a blog direction that centrists like me can come to & not wince at every freaking article.

People on the right like you are what give me faith in our system, when it's degraded daily, by the likes of WND, Nirthers, teabaggers, and my brother. :)

re: #32 Pianobuff

I think abortion is murder.
I do not condone the use of violence against those that perform abortions or or abortion clinics.

"Rational" does not fly off the handle when its statements are challenged by facts.

/Powerline (and others), you've opened your kimono

re: #39 Charles

The reason why people are so eager to jump to conclusions is because they think it will somehow balance out the murder of Dr. George Tiller. I've already gotten a couple of hate mails from fanatics about this story.

Balance, huh. Like somehow this is a zero-sum game? Whatever the motives are behind today's killings, it certainly sounds tragic. As was the murder of Tiller.

Two wrongs make two wrongs. I hope sane people on both sides would agree with that.

re: #45 Charles

I've dealt with it.

Strewth!

That happened right in front of my eyes!

Didn't even have time to blink!

:-)

re: #50 thedopefishlives

And The Banhammer descends on yet another noob.

Noob? He was around almost 3 years. Only posted 15 times in those years, but...
Some sock or sleeper was awakened just do get whacked.
What a senseless waste of a sock puppet.///

Damn, missed it.

Funny, but after I posted my comments here yesterday about what the FBI and Secret Service can and should be doing to investigate threats against Obama emanating from certain sites, you wouldn't believe who showed up at my site claiming that Charles was misrepresenting and lying about their actions...

I told them what I thought of the situation - if they indeed banned the people making threats great. But the personal attacks have got to stop.

I thought the mice were the most intelligent species on the earth? Or do they not count since they ran the experiment...?

So confusing. Ever-expanding trilogy.

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

Damn, missed it.

You didn't miss much.

re: #57 Kosh's Shadow

What a senseless waste of a sock puppet.///

Not that they last too long around here anyway. Charles and Co. are pretty on the ball about spotting these things.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't get too worked up about that yet. The same guy killed somebody in a gravel pit about an hour before. It could be anything.

Very true. As I said the last thread, Owosso is a smallish place, between Lansing and Flint off I-69. It's not a place that gets a lot of murders, so we'll have to wait and see what the guy's motives were.

I think what often gets lost is the realization that America and Americans are better than most is because of the choices we make.

Everyone of us wants to put the screws to radical Islamists and their supporters. Everyone of us wants to extract the most cruel and maximum revenge on those who hurt us. Everyone of us wants to preempt the next terror attack by inflicting on our enemies what they would inflict on us. Every one of us would like to have crazy proxies on our side to do our dirty work. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

This nation is different because as a nation, we subjugate our need for revenge and visceral justice in favor of the rule of law and the morality of our founding fathers. This nation is proof the superiority of a higher morality and ethic. It isn't never easy and it is never pretty.

We cannot share our table with those who would agree to subvert our principles, either willingly or turning a blind eye any more than we can share our table with our enemies.

Charles may not always bat 1000- I suspect he'd be the first to say that- but in the he is consistent in the most American way, in the application of our national ethic. Sadly, there are more prizes handed out for popularity than there are for ethical behavior.

Since when is patriotism about popularity and following the mob?

I don't always see everything through same lenses as Charles Johnson, but I will say this: I have learned a lot about what it means to be a real patriot from him. There is a lot more heartache and grief than there are accolades, because being a patriot means holding ideals dear even when you really don't want to- and others demand you don't, either.

Watching and listening to much of the European right political spectrum, it easy to understand now why so many under the hypnotic spell of fascism. To be a little less moral and ethical is to be less accountable and responsible as a human being. Play long enough and, well, history teaches us what can happen.

As the frog once said, 'It easy being green.'

Politifact weighs in on the [Link: www.politifact.com...] Question:

There is explicit language in the House bill that says illegal immigrants should not receive the subsidized benefits. But we find the Republican conference is right that the legislation does not directly mention verification procedures and, for that reason, it's possible that illegal immigrants who are determined to beat the system might be able to get around the ban. But it's likely that the IRS would, at least indirectly, help to police that. And, the health choices commissioner would have the authority to set up a verification system. On balance, we rate the Republican claim Half True.

I have to wonder if they think they're hurting LGF by disassociating themselves? Perhaps they think they'll be able to convince Charles to come around to their way of thinking if they pressure him in this manner? I don't know. What I do know is I think LGF is better served by not being associated with these kook embracing blogs.

re: #60 brent

I thought the mice were the most intelligent species on the earth? Or do they not count since they ran the experiment...?

So confusing. Ever-expanding trilogy.

The mice aren't terrestrial, but pan-dimensional beings.
The dolphins are from Earth.

re: #59 lawhawk

Funny, but after I posted my comments here yesterday about what the FBI and Secret Service can and should be doing to investigate threats against Obama emanating from certain sites, you wouldn't believe who showed up at my site claiming that Charles was misrepresenting and lying about their actions...

I told them what I thought of the situation - if they indeed banned the people making threats great. But the personal attacks have got to stop.

That shows you how obsessed they are. They follow every word posted at LGF, and visit every site I link to, to spread smears about me.

I think it's wonderful that I've given meaning to their empty, pathetic lives.

re: #34 Charles

It is done.

Thanks!

Did you ever pick out the T-shirt?

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

Ahem, I think his motives were pure evilness.

re: #65 Coracle

That was supposed to be the "Are Illigal Immigrants Covered by Proposed Healthcare Reforms or Not" Question.

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

Very true. As I said the last thread, Owosso is a smallish place, between Lansing and Flint off I-69. It's not a place that gets a lot of murders, so we'll have to wait and see what the guy's motives were.

I saw this on a blog posted by someone who claims to have local contacts:

"I've got more of the story coming from "My contacts" in Owosso, and its truly unbelievable. Let me break some news for you prof.

Apparently, the shooter killed Mike Fuoss for some reason. That reason is unknown since Mike was apparently a nice guy and his wife has brain tumors.

Then, he decided that since he's going to jail anyway that he was going to "kill that ass", where that ass was Jim P the sign guy. "

#65 - actions louder than words...

I liked Wilson's point about that - there have been measures to get just that kind of verification, and they have all been voted down on largely party lines. These folks are serious about illegals getting care - they want it.

re: #68 Charles

That shows you how obsessed they are. They follow every word posted at LGF, and visit every site I link to, to spread smears about me.

I think it's wonderful that I've given meaning to their empty, pathetic lives.

They're paparazzi!

re: #74 cliffster

They're paparazzi!

Only a lot worse, because at least paparazzi aren't paranoid about trying to beat you up and/or kill you.

#67 - dolphins from earth...

THEN WHERE DID THEY GO?!?? : )

I need to re-read those books - did I mention that I have a cracked circuit board, and that it really hurts? You probably don't care. Been standing here 6 million years...

re: #75 thedopefishlives

Sloparazzi?

Correction to my comment #64- should read it isn't easy being green.

re: #66 Sharmuta

I have to wonder if they think they're hurting LGF by disassociating themselves? Perhaps they think they'll be able to convince Charles to come around to their way of thinking if they pressure him in this manner? I don't know. What I do know is I think LGF is better served by not being associated with these kook embracing blogs.

Thats all true, but as you stated before you found LGF because of them. Lots of us found LGF because of some other site. By taking LGF off of their links they are both hurting Charles (less exposure) and also helping him (they can't claim that Charles is really still "with" their warped ideas.

re: #73 brent

These folks are serious about illegals getting care - they want it.

Who are "they", and where do they say it?

re: #76 brent

#67 - dolphins from earth...

THEN WHERE DID THEY GO?!?? : )

I need to re-read those books - did I mention that I have a cracked circuit board, and that it really hurts? You probably don't care. Been standing here 6 million years...

Do all the diodes down one side hurt also?
Brain the size of a planet...
Life. Don't talk to me about life.

re: #64 researchok

Charles may not always bat 1000- I suspect he'd be the first to say that-...

WHAT?! How dare you! Get off my website.

/kidding

re: #71 Coracle

That was supposed to be the "Are Illigal Immigrants Covered by Proposed Healthcare Reforms or Not" Question.

Illegals are protected by the EMTALA, which means they can't be denied care regardless of what is in any final bill. We need border control and disincentives for jumping it. Instead there is no downside given conditions south of the border.

re: #72 Pianobuff

Interesting...

I've been following this through one of the papers closer to the shootings, the Lansing State Journal.

re: #82 Charles

WHAT?! How dare you! Get off my website.

/kidding

Todo list for Saturday:

1. Make sure to spout oodles of love at Charles so I can keep my account.
2. ...

///

re: #85 vxbush

Todo list for Saturday:

1. Make sure to spout oodles of love at Charles so I can keep my account.
2. ... See #1

///

ftfy

Charles: You might consider Frum's site as a replacement, just a suggestion. They seem somewhat sane there.

re: #86 sattv4u2

ftfy

Oh, duh. How could I have forgotten!

#73 - party lines..

The Dems have largely voted against anything that looks like a way to verify citizenship as part of the health care bills. That is the "them" to whom I refer. I read that as a way to keep / increase voting by illegals, with the assumption they vote Left more than Right.

But I could be way off base.

re: #65 Coracle

Politifact weighs in on the [Link: www.politifact.com...] Question:

The IRS? It is not going to happen.

Illegal immigrants do not have Social Security numbers, but the Internal Revenue Service allows them to file taxes by assigning applicants individual taxpayer identification numbers. The numbers were introduced in 1996 to encourage noncitizens with United States income, including foreign investors, to file returns. It is generally accepted that most of the 11 million numbers issued since then have gone to illegal immigrants.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #56 yma o hyd

Strewth!

That happened right in front of my eyes!

Didn't even have time to blink!

:-)

"STREWTH!" Wow - I haven't heard that word in years. Do Americans say that, or are you a Commonwealth person?

re: #32 Pianobuff

That is what I said when Tiller was shot and it is equally true now. You never know why until all the facts are in.

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

Damn, missed it.

No problem, Charles got it square in the the ten ring!

re: #92 kiwiviv

"STREWTH!" Wow - I haven't heard that word in years. Do Americans say that, or are you a Commonwealth person?

Sblood, man, us Yanks throw around all manner of such oaths.

re: #91 Russ

My informal survey shows that you're a troll.

People polled: 1. Me.

re: #92 kiwiviv

"STREWTH!" Wow - I haven't heard that word in years. Do Americans say that, or are you a Commonwealth person?

Being Welsh, I suppose I'm a Commonwealth person ...

re: #91 Russ

Are you a sock puppet?

Russ
Karma: 0
Registered since: Sep 12, 2007 at 9:28 am
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 2

Two comments in two years, and you have this gem?

re: #64 researchok

Actually, "it's noteasy being green".

Or so Kermit says.

re: #97 yma o hyd

Being Welsh, I suppose I'm a Commonwealth person ...

Welsh, eh? Talk about your hard place-names.

re: #91 Russ

Going to stick your thumb in the host's eye with your second post, huh?

re: #83 ointmentfly

Illegals are protected by the EMTALA, which means they can't be denied care regardless of what is in any final bill. We need border control and disincentives for jumping it. Instead there is no downside given conditions south of the border.

I don't disagree. Reducing the number of illegals will help reduce the root problem of illegals in the healthcare system. We need to cure parts of US industry from its addiction to off-book illegal-immigrant labor. That's likely to mean increase in prices for some things, but I think it needs to be done. I am certainly not in favor of turning anyone in need away from an emergency room, and am unclear how any plan can deal with that question.

On the other hand, there will always be some, and some will need healthcare, and they should not be allowed to take advantage of services reserved for citizens.

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Are you a sock puppet?

Two comments in two years, and you have this gem?

Today, of all days, seems to be bringing out the socks and trolls.

re: #79 sattv4u2

Doesn't seem to be hurting traffic at this point. In fact- it's just the opposite. I think in the long run- this won't hurt, but help. Getting referrals from blogs pandering to kooks only brings kooks. More moderate blogs would bring readers to LGF that are a better fit.

re: #91 Russ

bye sock!

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Are you a sock puppet?

Two comments in two years, and you have this gem?

He's pacing himself!

I thought he was joking and forgot the sarc tag.

re: #91 Russ

Your very informal, highly unscientific, and heavy on the moron factor poll?

re: #101 Noam Sayin'

Going to stick your thumb in the host's eye with your second post, huh?

I thought he was kidding.

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Today, of all days, seems to be bringing out the socks and trolls.

And the funny thing is that the moon is not full. It's closer to the last quarter.

re: #91 Russ

If that's satire, it's funny stuff. If not, then I guess you'll get your wish...

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Unlikely. It's a sock.

re: #96 MrSilverDragon

My informal survey shows that you're a troll.

People polled: 1. Me.

Concur!

re: #89 brent

#73 - party lines..

The Dems have largely voted against anything that looks like a way to verify citizenship as part of the health care bills. That is the "them" to whom I refer. I read that as a way to keep / increase voting by illegals, with the assumption they vote Left more than Right.

But I could be way off base.

That sounds off base to me. Illegals can't vote. Are you saying we have mass fraud through illegals voting regularly in Dem districts?

re: #112 Russ

Use the sarc tag, fool.

/

re: #112 Russ

That's what the "/" is for.

Even I know that.

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Are you a sock puppet?

Two comments in two years, and you have this gem?

He had a second account registered too.

re: #112 Russ

With only two posts, you don't get to rely on people "picking up on" your sarcasm, which is why I don't believe you.

Irish Rose:

I have sent you an email and it is imperative that you read it before you leave for the weekend!

"What embitters the world is not excess of criticism, but an absence of self-criticism." —GK Chesterton

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought he was kidding.

I thought likewise at first, then I saw how many comments he had made. Two comments, two years. Had it been a regular with a /sarc tag, then he would've been kidding.

re: #119 Charles

He had a second account registered too.

No. of Comments Posted: -1

I love it.

re: #124 thedopefishlives

No. of Comments Posted: -1

I love it.

Less than Zero.

re: #120 Noam Sayin'

With only two posts, you don't get to rely on people "picking up on" your sarcasm, which is why I don't believe you.

I don't believe it either.

re: #122 jill e

"What embitters the world is not excess of criticism, but an absence of self-criticism." —GK Chesterton

Chesterton quotes are always dingworthy...

re: #100 Guanxi88

Welsh, eh? Talk about your hard place-names.

With the greatest of pleasures!

Where do you want me to start?

;-

SHIT!! I knew to hit reply.

re: #97 yma o hyd

Being Welsh, I suppose I'm a Commonwealth person ...

Hey Welshman - I like you even more now!! You guys sure have difficult placenames.

Strewth: Cockney East End abreviation of "It's the truth".
"Strewth Guv would I lie to you?

Strewth: An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!"
Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate!

re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar

Use a sarc tag///

WAIT! Are you being sarcastic about using a sarc tag?!?!

I'm so confused!!!

/ :)

re: #128 yma o hyd

With the greatest of pleasures!

Where do you want me to start?

;-

So are Welsh place names so difficult because the names are romanized into the Latin aphabet?

Charles, my 117.

re: #128 yma o hyd

With the greatest of pleasures!

Where do you want me to start?

;-

Odd language, Welsh, at least, I suppose, to non-Welsh ears. Not without a certain charm and elegance that, say, Gaelic all too often lacks, but a strange sound.

re: #8 vxbush

I think it's a tip to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The dolphins leave earth and say that as they leave, but humans don't understand it, of course.

So Powerline isn't a super-duper high test monafilament fishing line, as I first thought?

"...get on the bus, Russ."

buzzsaw monkey, call your office...

re: #130 kiwiviv

Hey Welshman - I like you even more now!! You guys sure have difficult placenames.

Strewth: Cockney East End abreviation of "It's the truth".
"Strewth Guv would I lie to you?

Strewth: An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!"
Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate!

Fosters? That's not Australian for beer, it's Australian for "the stuff we ship to the Yanks because they can't tell good beer from cold kangaroo piss."

re: #83 ointmentfly

Illegals are protected by the EMTALA, which means they can't be denied care regardless of what is in any final bill. We need border control and disincentives for jumping it. Instead there is no downside given conditions south of the border.

Instead of worrying about whether illegals get care or not, perhaps it would be better if the politicians made a decision about them - either remove them or legalize them. Either way is obviously politically unpopular. Thus, nothing will happen. Instead of a fence or more border control (or in addition to) we could easily remove the incentive for them to come here by enforcing the existing laws against hiring illegals and if needed, by strengthening those laws. That doesn't seem politically feasible either.

re: #115 Coracle

If you can't verify someone's identity at the polling place, the possibility for fraud is definitely present.

OT:
From ACORN; an ever growing scandal - not only did two of their offices get caught providing salacious tax advice and on how to properly pimp without affecting one's political aspirations, one of the group's political spinoffs, WFP is in money trouble in NY.

re: #130 kiwiviv

Hey Welshman - I like you even more now!! You guys sure have difficult placenames.

Strewth: Cockney East End abreviation of "It's the truth".
"Strewth Guv would I lie to you?

Strewth: An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!"
Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate!

Thought "Strewth" was the contraction of "G-d's truth", even as "Sblood" was the contraction of "G-d's Blood". Mass, but it's hard to keep these things straight.

Choices
Choices
Choices.

Red Kool-Aid or Blue Kool-Aid.

Hmmm...

re: #130 kiwiviv

Hey Welshman - I like you even more now!! You guys sure have difficult placenames.

Strewth: Cockney East End abreviation of "It's the truth".
"Strewth Guv would I lie to you?

Strewth: An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!"
Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate!

Its Welsh woman, actually ...!

I've been using 'crikey' so many times now, I thought I'd ring the changes ...

With a nic like yours - you wouldn't happen to be interested in rugby at all, would you, by any chance?

re: #141 Racer X

Choices
Choices
Choices.

Red Kool-Aid or Blue Kool-Aid.

Hmmm...

I've made my decision.

It's Friday.

BEER!

Russ : Karma Count = zero degrees Kelvin

re: #141 Racer X

Choices
Choices
Choices.

Red Kool-Aid or Blue Kool-Aid.

Hmmm...

Our kool-aid tastes better!

re: #135 Pianobuff

So Powerline isn't a super-duper high test monafilament fishing line, as I first thought?

One of the fun things about being a nostalgia buff is you still watch children's TV:

HEY YOU GUYS!
We're gonna turn it on
We're gonna bring you the power
We're gonna light up the dark of night like the
brightest day in a whole new way
We're gonna turn it on
We're gonna bring you the power
It's coming down the lines, strong as they can be through the courtesy of The Electric Company
The Electric Company
The Electric Company!

It was as obvious as a draw play on 3rd and 17 from your own 10. They being lawyers and ex-leftist-radicals thought they may come back to the center. bo has many faults and I personally consider his ideology the polar opposite of mine, choose the battles wisely, name-calling and nirthing ain't nothin' but wastin' time.

re: #144 Shug

Russ : Karma Count = zero degrees Kelvin

Whoa. That's bad. But don't we have other former lizards down about that far?

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends".

-Martin Luther King Jr.

re: #139 lawhawk

If you can't verify someone's identity at the polling place, the possibility for fraud is definitely present.

That may be true. I recall no allegations - credible or otherwise - of mass voter fraud by illegals in any district in any election ever. Have I just been reading the wrong newspapers/sites?

re: #144 Shug

That's COLD!

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Fosters? That's not Australian for beer, it's Australian for "the stuff we ship to the Yanks because they can't tell good beer from cold kangaroo piss."

[Link: ars.userfriendly.org...]

re: #132 vxbush

So are Welsh place names so difficult because the names are romanized into the Latin aphabet?

No, they're so difficult because the Latin alphabet is used for the Welsh language.
Like, if you drive through Sweden, you can read the place names but can't really pronounce them, nor do you know what they mean.

Same here.

First lesson:
any place name beginning with 'Llan ...' (ll pronounced 'ch', like in the German 'bach' means its pertaining to a church.

Philip just committed suicide on the prior thread.

/please suppress your yawns

re: #128 yma o hyd

With the greatest of pleasures!

Where do you want me to start?

;-

Pontrhydfendigaid, Gwasg and all those places where you have to spit in oder to day it right

#139 - thanks..

Exactly - if you make verification of a voter impossible, who do you think you are excluding from voting? Couple that with an overzealous if not corrupt group like ACORN signing up people, why would anyone think the process is not corrupt?

Wonder who Paul Newman voted for, after his death? ACORN signed him up...

re: #152 thedopefishlives

[Link: ars.userfriendly.org...]

User Friendly is great.

re: #134 Guanxi88

Odd language, Welsh, at least, I suppose, to non-Welsh ears. Not without a certain charm and elegance that, say, Gaelic all too often lacks, but a strange sound.

Ahem.
Dunno about strange - its very musical, lilting, and a native speaker (which i am not) never loses that lilt when speaking English, or any other language.

We say its the language spoken in Heaven ...!

re: #150 Coracle

Voter Fraud, especially in Chicago is a time honored tradition. Dead voters, two-timers, illegals - everyone's vote counts in Chicago.

Remember to "Vote Early and Often!"

/ living on Crook County

re: #142 yma o hyd

Its Welsh woman, actually ...!

I've been using 'crikey' so many times now, I thought I'd ring the changes ...

With a nic like yours - you wouldn't happen to be interested in rugby at all, would you, by any chance?

ABSOLUTELY!!! All Blacks play the Aussies at 12.30am (Pac time) tomorrow morning. I do love it when they play in Wales

Very sad, this is.

re: #140 Guanxi88

Thought "Strewth" was the contraction of "G-d's truth", even as "Sblood" was the contraction of "G-d's Blood". Mass, but it's hard to keep these things straight.

You are correct

re: #99 SummerSong

Actually, "it's noteasy being green".

Or so Kermit says.

TY- I realized that and added another comment highlighting my own error.

It isn't easy being a LGF commenter either...

re: #64 researchok

I really, really, want to believe what you say about everyone of us wants to put the screws to the Islamists and all that. Then I remember what I've read since 9/11 at DU, The Daily Kos, New York Times, I can go on and on and I realize what you're saying is wishful thinking. At best. Really, I want to believe it. But I can't.

I say otherwise and I'm not a liar.

re: #150 Coracle

That may be true. I recall no allegations - credible or otherwise - of mass voter fraud by illegals in any district in any election ever. Have I just been reading the wrong newspapers/sites?

The Republicans found an issue that works for them and they're running with it.

re: #158 yma o hyd

Ahem.
Dunno about strange - its very musical, lilting, and a native speaker (which i am not) never loses that lilt when speaking English, or any other language.

We say its the language spoken in Heaven ...!

The very best thing about the Welsh is the way the whole crowd sings during the rugby (or football) games. There is nothing like it anywhere in the world

CDC says H1N1 in all 50 states (So I guess we're all gonna die)

But it looks like the Swine Flu vaccine is strong enough that you only need ONE shot.

Breaking up is hard to do (

What has really changed? Both sites are still available. We must all certainly hold opinions for which we will later be persuaded otherwise.

yma o hyd

...so you can actually say, "Pontrhydfendigaid and Gwasg" without spitting??

re: #158 yma o hyd

Ahem.
Dunno about strange - its very musical, lilting, and a native speaker (which i am not) never loses that lilt when speaking English, or any other language.

We say its the language spoken in Heaven ...!

With all respect, we know that language is Hebrew.

re: #159 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Voter Fraud, especially in Chicago is a time honored tradition. Dead voters, two-timers, illegals - everyone's vote counts in Chicago.

I certainly know the colorful history. I'm sure no national politician coming out of Chicago will ever be able to escape it. However that doesn't answer my question. Where are the official complaints? Criminal allegations?

re: #155 kiwiviv

Pontrhydfendigaid, Gwasg and all those places where you have to spit in oder to day it right

Cripes!

I know where Pontrhydfendigaid is - and 'pont rhyd' means the bridge at the ford - but as for the rest ... nope.
Its in Mid-Wales, they are a bit funny there ...
:-)
'y' is a short, dark and hard i', 'f' is pronounced like the English 'w', and 'ai' like in 'aitch'!

Gwasg is 'Press', like in printers.
'w' is pronounced as 'u', like in 'bunch', the rest just as written.

re: #164 Land Shark

I really, really, want to believe what you say about everyone of us wants to put the screws to the Islamists and all that. Then I remember what I've read since 9/11 at DU, The Daily Kos, New York Times, I can go on and on and I realize what you're saying is wishful thinking. At best. Really, I want to believe it. But I can't.

I say otherwise and I'm not a liar.

You raise a fair point.

That said, let's be honest- for the Kos Kids, DUmmies, et al, ideology trumps all. When that is case, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, ethics and morality mean little.

I enter into evidence the US Houses Congress.

re: #168 brazilofmux

Breaking up is hard to do ([Video link])

What has really changed? Both sites are still available. We must all certainly hold opinions for which we will later be persuaded otherwise.

link was mangled:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

re: #171 taxfreekiller

yes

Ah, so you have some links, articles, or court cases you can tell me that show allegations of mass voter fraud by illegals?

re: #160 kiwiviv

ABSOLUTELY!!! All Blacks play the Aussies at 12.30am (Pac time) tomorrow morning. I do love it when they play in Wales

So do we!

The encounter last year was top drawer, top special - amazing second half, but we did stretch you a bit in the first!

And that face-off after the Haka - oh wow!

We're looking forward to the next match in November!

re: #173 yma o hyd

Thanks for the lesson - it is hard to comprehend that such a small land area can have such a different language from it's neighbors.

re: #174 researchok

You're right about what you say abot the people at DU, etc., ideology trumps everything. Which is a similar problem to what's going on in parts of the Conservative movement these days, ideology trumping common sense and everything else.

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Fosters? That's not Australian for beer, it's Australian for "the stuff we ship to the Yanks because they can't tell good beer from cold kangaroo piss."

VB, mmm

re: #177 yma o hyd

So do we!

The encounter last year was top drawer, top special - amazing second half, but we did stretch you a bit in the first!

And that face-off after the Haka - oh wow!

We're looking forward to the next match in November!

Are the All Blacks going to be in Wales again, or are your boys going down unda?

Yes - that was a great game last year - the Welsh are always great

re: #166 kiwiviv

The very best thing about the Welsh is the way the whole crowd sings during the rugby (or football) games. There is nothing like it anywhere in the world

Now that is true!
And its especially impressive when the roof of the stadium is closed.

'Bread of Heaven' ( which is known to non-rugby playing peoples as the hymn 'Guide me oh Thou Great Redeemer' - written and composed by Welshemn!) is always sung when there's an exiting phase of play by our lads, and when they score.

Pity that our best players were taken out by the Bokkes this summer. Gotta hand it to them (NOT!) - they put the whole Welsh front row into hospital, and our outstanding No7 as well.
B*stards.

How ironic.

I would have *thought* I'd follow PL before LGF, but the opposite has happened. I'm not affected by ODS, (Obama Derangement Syndrome) I suppose, though I am no fan, let's be clear.

re: #169 kiwiviv

yma o hyd

...so you can actually say, "Pontrhydfendigaid and Gwasg" without spitting??

Sure!
This is Welsh, not Dutch!
(Or Arabic - where one gets an aching throat just from listening!)

re: #150 Coracle

That may be true. I recall no allegations - credible or otherwise - of mass voter fraud by illegals in any district in any election ever. Have I just been reading the wrong newspapers/sites?

One of the Sanchez sisters beat Bob Dornan in a race that was widely considered to be swung by a large number of illegals voting. Don't remember the year - or have a link.

re: #33 Noam Sayin'

Wow. I came across both blogs for the same reason: Ra^thergate™

Same here... I discovered LGF via a "Rathergate" (love the "Ra^thergate™", Noam!) link at Powerline. This is so sad to see a once rational forum descend into a fever swamp.

While I don't always agree with Charles (hell... I don't always agree with anyone!), I find his little corner of the webiverse to be a place where sanity tends to win the day. That there are fewer and fewer such places is not a good thing.

re: #170 Kosh's Shadow

With all respect, we know that language is Hebrew.

Well - ok then: the angels sing in Welsh!

re: #182 yma o hyd

Now that is true!
And its especially impressive when the roof of the stadium is closed.

'Bread of Heaven' ( which is known to non-rugby playing peoples as the hymn 'Guide me oh Thou Great Redeemer' - written and composed by Welshemn!) is always sung when there's an exiting phase of play by our lads, and when they score.

Pity that our best players were taken out by the Bokkes this summer. Gotta hand it to them (NOT!) - they put the whole Welsh front row into hospital, and our outstanding No7 as well.
B*stards.

Well - the Blacks just went over there are laid a little "fence post" on the Bokks.

Yes - I love it that the Welsh sing those great hymns during rugby games - a hold-over from the Welsh revival (Evan Roberts) in the early 1900's perhaps. Again - there is NOTHING like the sound of those voices!

re: #40 sattv4u2

See where the Cali assemblyman resigned?

-10 for being a lecherous old hypocritical fool
+ 1 for immediatly resigning
___
-9 total Karma points

Maybe he can spend the next few weeks rescuing kitties from trees to get back to even!

Given the circumstances, I think it best that he stay far, far away from pussies in any form for a while... ;oD

re: #184 yma o hyd

Sure!
This is Welsh, not Dutch!
(Or Arabic - where one gets an aching throat just from listening!)

I get more than an aching throat when I listen to Arabic. Especially those few words before the planes hit the towers!

re: #185 Son of the Black Dog

One of the Sanchez sisters beat Bob Dornan in a race that was widely considered to be swung by a large number of illegals voting. Don't remember the year - or have a link.

A hearsay, unreferenced allegation is not exactly a strong case.

re: #37 Sharmuta

Dear Powerline-

I heard about your blog due to an interview with Brit Hume. I checked you out the next day. After looking around a bit, I found a link called "Little Green Footballs". I've been reading LGF ever since, and to tell you the truth- I rarely went back to your site for anything. Thank you for leading me to LGF, but other than that- I have nothing remarkable to say about your site. You now wish to cast your lot in with kooks and fascists. Enjoy the fleas.

Signed, Sharmuta

Heh. I got here through Jihad Watch and never went back.

re: #178 kiwiviv

Thanks for the lesson - it is hard to comprehend that such a small land area can have such a different language from it's neighbors.

Well, actually the whole of this island was Welsh at one time, before the Germans (thats the Angles and Saxons) came.
Ok, there were a few Picts up North, but seriously, the called themselves 'Brytons', thus 'Britain.

Now, having been pushed to the westernmost mountains, the Welsh call themselves 'Cymraeg', thats 'companions', and the country is called 'Cymru', having saved nothing but the history and the language.

'u' is pronounced as 'ee'

My two cents: I continue to read both Powerline and LGF, and am sorry that they can't seem to get along.

I don't like it when the Powerline guys gloss over some of the unsavory connections of the anti-jihadists. And I don't like it when Charles mischaracterizes Republican opposition to Obama.

Nirth thertifikate debunking is a great public service, but lots of Republicans already repudiate the nirthers. More than Democrats who repudiate troofers.

Lots of Republicans had a problem, not with the CONTENT of Obama's speech to school kids, or the FACT of Obama's speech to schoolkids, but the creepy lesson planning distributed by the Administration that went along with the speech. I do not think Charles represented the controversy fairly.

That's fine, you know; everybody has to read critically and consider the biases in what they read.

And I will continue to read both sites.

re: #181 kiwiviv

Are the All Blacks going to be in Wales again, or are your boys going down unda?

Yes - that was a great game last year - the Welsh are always great

Yes - they are coming for the annual Autumn Internationals, where a few of the SH teams play the Home Nations.
Its usually only three matches, but Wales always makes a special effort to play the All Blacks, seeing that Graham Henry coached the National squad a few years back - and that we now have a brilliant Kiwi as head coach.
Its a certain Warren Gatland ... He's ours now!

re: #194 yma o hyd

Great - I didn't know that about Wales...but then, I'm from the "colonies." Thanks for the history.

re: #195 Gabriel Hanna

Lots of Republicans had a problem, not with the CONTENT of Obama's speech to school kids, or the FACT of Obama's speech to schoolkids, but the creepy lesson planning distributed by the Administration that went along with the speech. I do not think Charles represented the controversy fairly.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that lesson plan. The entire controversy was ridiculous -- nothing more than a fake, drummed up outrage.

I'm a longtime reader of both blogs (I rarely log in and comment here -- nice to see my name is still active :>).

Blogs like PowerLine are hyper-partisan (obviously). I still read the blog because those guys are pretty smart and good writers, they craft creative arguments, and a lot of what they post is worth reading. But I can never fully respect the blogs that are completely "in the tank" for a political party, and I get really tired of the way the political blogosphere is so dominated by two teams of such hyper-partisans.

LGF is more independent-minded. There needs to be more prominent bloggers who don't feel they have to be "in the tank" for a political party or an ideological wing in order to survive as a blog. The right-wing attacks on LGF like to claim LGF has lost its way, lost its mind, etc. But I see it as being a more honest and consistant blog that has angered the partisans when they realized this blog is not a member of the cult. It treats kooks and frauds across the spectrum the same. It calls for honesty and fairness towards the current president as much as it did for the previous president. It goes after extremism and baseless conspiracy theories no matter what side it comes out of. It's not going to pretend there's nothing dishonest about those pushing Intelligent Design just because a lot of Intelligent Design pushers are in the GOP base. It sees what's wrong with a Glenn Beck just as it saw what's wrong with a Keith Olbermann. Etc., etc.

LGF shouldn't feel too bad about those purging it. Consider it an Orwell moment, feel liberated, and be proud. :)

re: #188 kiwiviv

Well - the Blacks just went over there are laid a little "fence post" on the Bokks.

Yes - I love it that the Welsh sing those great hymns during rugby games - a hold-over from the Welsh revival (Evan Roberts) in the early 1900's perhaps. Again - there is NOTHING like the sound of those voices!

'Men of Harlech', sung at full throat by 78.000 Welshies, is also guaranteed to make one's hair stand on end.

And for fun, we sing Tom Jones' 'Delilah'.

re: #200 LoafingOaf

I'm a longtime reader of both blogs (I rarely log in and comment here -- nice to see my name is still active :>).

Blogs like PowerLine are hyper-partisan (obviously). I still read the blog because those guys are pretty smart and good writers, they craft creative arguments, and a lot of what they post is worth reading. But I can never fully respect the blogs that are completely "in the tank" for a political party, and I get really tired of the way the political blogosphere is so dominated by two teams of such hyper-partisans.

LGF is more independent-minded. There needs to be more prominent bloggers who don't feel they have to be "in the tank" for a political party or an ideological wing in order to survive as a blog. The right-wing attacks on LGF like to claim LGF has lost its way, lost its mind, etc. But I see it as being a more honest and consistant blog that has angered the partisans when they realized this blog is not a member of the cult. It treats kooks and frauds across the spectrum the same. It calls for honesty and fairness towards the current president as much as it did for the previous president. It goes after extremism and baseless conspiracy theories no matter what side it comes out of. It's not going to pretend there's nothing dishonest about those pushing Intelligent Design just because a lot of Intelligent Design pushers are in the GOP base. It sees what's wrong with a Glenn Beck just as it saw what's wrong with a Keith Olbermann. Etc., etc.

LGF shouldn't feel too bad about those purging it. Consider it an Orwell moment, feel liberated, and be proud. :)

Good comments, thank you. I don't feel bad about this in the slightest, and it isn't going to affect anything I do at LGF.

re: #119 Charles

He had a second account registered too.

I presume that "had" is the key word in that sentence... ;o)

re: #191 Coracle

A hearsay, unreferenced allegation is not exactly a strong case.

There are cases of vote-fraud pending against ACORN in about 12 states, I think. Whether it's illegals, made up people, people bussed around from one polling place to another where they vote provisionally a dozen times without ID - who really cares. The intent is clearly to institute the Chicago way nationwide.

It's not that they never lose a race in Chicago, but with heavy fingers on the scales, you might have to win 55% of the vote to get these people out!

I think if you google ACORN and vote fraud, you'll find this stuff easily enough. Dornan was probably only the tip of the iceberg. Governor's race in WA a couple of years back. I think John Fund has a book about Democrat voting "irregularities" - but please tell me why I can't get $20 from an ATM without ID, but I can vote???!!!

Democrats systematically block all attempts to institute ID in voting. Which is what makes their refusal to do the same with health care so malodorous.

yma 0 hyd - I need to go - thanks for the warm memories of Wales and rugby this morning. God bless you and your country.

Charles - thanks for LGF and all you do

Gotta deal with the dogs - madame has pulled her basket right into the middle of the room ... I think they are getting bored, dunno why!

Thanks for the chat, kiwiviv!

BIAB

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Fosters? That's not Australian for beer, it's Australian for "the stuff we ship to the Yanks because they can't tell good beer from cold kangaroo piss."

I prefer Victoria Bitter myself...

@Charles

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that lesson plan. The entire controversy was ridiculous -- nothing more than a fake, drummed up outrage.

Totally fair, of course...

I disagree, and I still read you, even when I think you're not fair. I read you because most of the time you have interesting and useful things to say.

re: #207 RightOnTheLeftCoast

I prefer Victoria Bitter myself...

Steinlager!

re: #209 kiwiviv

Steinlager!

All recommendations of fine beers and ales are greatly appreciated.

re: #204 harpsicon

There are cases of vote-fraud pending against ACORN in about 12 states, I think. Whether it's illegals, made up people, people bussed around from one polling place to another where they vote provisionally a dozen times without ID - who really cares. The intent is clearly to institute the Chicago way nationwide.

All those allegations are voter registration fraud, not voter fraud, and in at least some cases ACORN itself was the party bringing the fraud to the attention of authorities. I have yet to see any allegation that they were responsible for or enabling of actual voter fraud.

It's not that they never lose a race in Chicago, but with heavy fingers on the scales, you might have to win 55% of the vote to get these people out!

That sounds like an accusation that at least 5% of the vote in chicago is fraudulently cast. Is it in fact that accusation? And do you have any evidence at all to back it up?

I think if you google ACORN and vote fraud, you'll find this stuff easily enough.

I find plenty of the voter registration stuff. No vote fraud, though.

but please tell me why I can't get $20 from an ATM without ID, but I can vote???!!!

You don't need an ID for an ATM withdrawal. All you need is a bankcard and a PIN.

Democrats systematically block all attempts to institute ID in voting. Which is what makes their refusal to do the same with health care so malodorous.

It is the allegation upthread that they block ID checking in order to enable illegals to vote that got me asking these questions.

re: #35 Simple Voice

No doubt the spin will be used against the pro-choice/pro-abortion crowd.
To quote Bob Dylan, "We live in a political world."

ok, retch alert:

we are living in a material world

/Madonna

you may puke now...

re: #211 Coracle

It is the allegation upthread that they block ID checking in order to enable illegals to vote that got me asking these questions.

on the other hand
if someone takes a shot at me and misses
it is still attempted murder
and they should not be attempting voter fraud

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Fosters? That's not Australian for beer, it's Australian for "the stuff we ship to the Yanks because they can't tell good beer from cold kangaroo piss."

Sadly true, when you consider cow piss like Budweiser, Coors and Miller are usually the best selling brews here. Fortunately, we do have some good beers here in the States like Sam Adams, Dixie and few others.

I tried to drink a Lite Beer (or as I like to call it, Slight Beer) from Miller at a friend's BBQ a few weeks ago. It tasted like beer flavored mineral water to me. Gawd, people actually drink that shit...

re: #213 Adrenalyn

on the other hand
if someone takes a shot at me and misses
it is still attempted murder
and they should not be attempting voter fraud

Excuse me? You're channeling tfk there. What are you trying to say?

@Coracle #211

All those allegations are voter registration fraud, not voter fraud, and in at least some cases ACORN itself was the party bringing the fraud to the attention of authorities. I have yet to see any allegation that they were responsible for or enabling of actual voter fraud.

So if I help a felon get a gun he is not legally allowed to purchase, and he murders someone, my moral culpability for the murder is what?

If you help someone fradulently register to vote, and then they vote fradulently, then you are enabling voter fraud.

re: #214 Land Shark

Sadly true, when you consider cow piss like Budweiser, Coors and Miller are usually the best selling brews here. Fortunately, we do have some good beers here in the States like Sam Adams, Dixie and few others.

I tried to drink a Lite Beer (or as I like to call it, Slight Beer) from Miller at a friend's BBQ a few weeks ago. It tasted like beer flavored mineral water to me. Gawd, people actually drink that shit...

"Miller lite" = Watery water.
When I drink beer, it is microbrews, of which there are so many.

Of course ACORN aids and abets other types of crimes, like underage prostitution and tax fraud:

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

Not isolated incidents, either.

re: #211 Coracle

Aren't you nit-picking? Please explain what's wrong with having an ID to vote? And are you alleging that the history of political machines, especially in Chicago, is some kind of urban myth??

This seems more like political see-no-evil, hear-no-evil since it's your side that's doing the cheating.

Check out John Fund's book. [Link: www.amazon.com...]

re: #214 Land Shark

Sadly true, when you consider cow piss like Budweiser, Coors and Miller are usually the best selling brews here. Fortunately, we do have some good beers here in the States like Sam Adams, Dixie and few others.

I tried to drink a Lite Beer (or as I like to call it, Slight Beer) from Miller at a friend's BBQ a few weeks ago. It tasted like beer flavored mineral water to me. Gawd, people actually drink that shit...

At least it wasn't Bud Light or Coors Light... they taste even less like beer than Miller Lite!

When getting a group of us beers from the cooler at a tailgate party, the guy getting the beers asked us "What do you want? Miller Lite, Bud Light, or MGD?" I called back, eh... gimme an MGD. If I wanted water, I'd have asked for water. ;o)

re: #216 Gabriel Hanna

@Coracle #211

All those allegations are voter registration fraud, not voter fraud, and in at least some cases ACORN itself was the party bringing the fraud to the attention of authorities. I have yet to see any allegation that they were responsible for or enabling of actual voter fraud.

So if I help a felon get a gun he is not legally allowed to purchase, and he murders someone, my moral culpability for the murder is what?

If you help someone fradulently register to vote, and then they vote fradulently, then you are enabling voter fraud.

In the case of murder, you are accessory to the crime. In the case of voter fraud, you may well be accessory to the fraud - I don't know what the exact laws are, but it would make logical sense to me.

Show me cases where voter fraud was alleged to have been committed by people fraudulently registered by ACORN. I would have no problem at all condemning them if that did in fact happen. Show me.

re: #214 Land Shark

Sadly true, when you consider cow piss like Budweiser, Coors and Miller are usually the best selling brews here.

Coors Light is a good light beer. :p It even has mountains that change colors on the can. :)

I'd drink better beer more often, but I usually opt for getting more beers (and more buzz) for my buck than better beers. :)

re: #221 Coracle

In the case of murder, you are accessory to the crime. In the case of voter fraud, you may well be accessory to the fraud - I don't know what the exact laws are, but it would make logical sense to me.

Show me cases where voter fraud was alleged to have been committed by people fraudulently registered by ACORN. I would have no problem at all condemning them if that did in fact happen. Show me.

I suppose that legally speaking we'll have to await the outcome of all those indictments... But indictments are very strong, since they are so difficult to work up. You might be amused to know that it seems ACORN registered the entire Dallas Cowboys roster to vote in Las Vegas, among others, apparently... What's awesome is the sheer audacity - like the people on tape yesterday advising the "pimp" and "prostitute" on how to get away with all sorts of illegal activities. All in a day's work, it seems!

Show me cases where voter fraud was alleged to have been committed by people fraudulently registered by ACORN. I would have no problem at all condemning them if that did in fact happen. Show me.

Every time one of those people voted. We have no idea how many, because people like you think no one should have to prove identity, citizenship, or eligibility in order to cast a vote.

re: #220 RightOnTheLeftCoast

Try one of these.

@Coracle #221

1) Set up a system where anyone can be registered to vote, even if they are not eligible.

2) Oppose all efforts to enforce verification, both at registration and when voting.

3) Triumphantly declare that voter fraud can therefore not exist, because you cannot associate a particular fraudulent vote with a particular fraudulent voter--because you set it up that way!

Cute.

ACORN signs people up to vote who are not eligible. You have conceded this.

Your position--"Show me" is equivalent to saying that not one ineligible person registered by ACORN ever voted while inelgible.

It defies common sense.

re: #217 Kosh's Shadow

I love microbrews, sadly we only have a few here in FLA. I was in Oregon about 10 years ago, microbrew heaven.

re: #227 Land Shark

I love microbrews, sadly we only have a few here in FLA. I was in Oregon about 10 years ago, microbrew heaven.

New England has a lot, too. But then, the whole microbrew movement was started here, sort of, by Sam Adams.

re: #225 UFO TOFU

Try one of these.

Thanks! That looks very promising (page bookmared for future reference). Any microbrewery that makes a Pale Ale and IPA is definitely worth looking into. :o)

re: #219 harpsicon

Aren't you nit-picking? Please explain what's wrong with having an ID to vote? And are you alleging that the history of political machines, especially in Chicago, is some kind of urban myth??

This seems more like political see-no-evil, hear-no-evil since it's your side that's doing the cheating.

Check out John Fund's book. [Link: www.amazon.com...]

"My side" is moderate independents. I don't think we've been stealing very many elections of any kind.

I've seen both sides of the Voter ID fight. I'm not against it in principle, as long as all citizens who can legally vote have easy access to getting an ID.

But I'm also not nitpicking. I see an argument being made - with zero evidence brought in support - that one partisan side intentionally wants illegal immigrants covered by national health care plans to keep them voting - illegally - for that partisan side in elections. I see anecdotes - just as lacking in factual support - such as the Chiocago way brought in that argument's defense. I just don't see any reality to the argument. I am 100% willing to concede that the argument is reasonable if there is in fact actual evidence to back it up. Otherwise, I am left with a partisan (oposite side), unsupported argument. Those are unsatisfying and unconvincing.

re: #222 LoafingOaf

Coors Light is a good light beer. :p It even has mountains that change colors on the can. :)

I'd drink better beer more often, but I usually opt for getting more beers (and more buzz) for my buck than better beers. :)

Personally, I think whoever came up with the idea of putting beer in a can should be flogged on national TV, but, hey, that's just my reactionary extremist right wing conservative soul speaking. ;-)

Since as I've gotten older it takes less beer than before to get a good buzz, I've gotten a lot pickier with my brews. Since I'm only drinking a few, they better be good.

re: #225 UFO TOFU

Try one of these.

Here's one for those in the SoCal region: Arrogant Bastard Ale

re: #223 harpsicon

I suppose that legally speaking we'll have to await the outcome of all those indictments... But indictments are very strong, since they are so difficult to work up.

Then I think we should wait. Indictments are indeed very strong. They have the power to ruin the lives even of the innocent. At least, in this country, indictment does not by definition equal guilt.

re: #195 Gabriel Hanna

My two cents: I continue to read both Powerline and LGF, and am sorry that they can't seem to get along.

I don't like it when the Powerline guys gloss over some of the unsavory connections of the anti-jihadists. And I don't like it when Charles mischaracterizes Republican opposition to Obama.

Nirth thertifikate debunking is a great public service, but lots of Republicans already repudiate the nirthers. More than Democrats who repudiate troofers.

Lots of Republicans had a problem, not with the CONTENT of Obama's speech to school kids, or the FACT of Obama's speech to schoolkids, but the creepy lesson planning distributed by the Administration that went along with the speech. I do not think Charles represented the controversy fairly.

That's fine, you know; everybody has to read critically and consider the biases in what they read.

And I will continue to read both sites.

My sentiments exactly.

re: #233 RightOnTheLeftCoast

I'll have to try that. One of my other favorites is Anchor Steam. Are you in SoCal? If so, did you ever try this?

re: #224 Gabriel Hanna

Show me cases where voter fraud was alleged to have been committed by people fraudulently registered by ACORN. I would have no problem at all condemning them if that did in fact happen. Show me.

Every time one of those people voted. We have no idea how many, because people like you think no one should have to prove identity, citizenship, or eligibility in order to cast a vote.

But you can't tell me if anyone in fact has done that. You can't - or won't even point to any allegations anyone has done that. Are you trying to say that vote fraud is wide enough and pervasive enough to shift election outcomes, yet completely undetectable?

In addition "people like me" do not think proving identity for voting is inherently a bad thing, given equal access to eligible citizens. I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.

re: #236 UFO TOFU

I'll have to try that. One of my other favorites is Anchor Steam. Are you in SoCal? If so, did you ever try this?

Yep... native SoCal boy. Anchor Steam is another good one.
Never tried Riverside... looks interesting. When you linked it, I thought it was going to be a SoCal brewery (Riverside, CA), and was a bit surprised to find that it's based in West Bend, WI! Lotsa German heritage there, so they should definitely know their brews!

re: #200 LoafingOaf

I second these comments.

One of the reasons that enjoy reading this site (and need to come around and post more often) is that it's one of the few right-of-center sites that aren't hyper-partisan.

For the last 2 years or so I've been watching the Republican Party eat itself. First it wouldn't acknowledge that they completely dropped the ball on spending and a whole host of other things during the Bush years. Then after a couple of electoral defeats, the purge began. Anyone who doesn't fit RedState and the like's definition of a conservative is being pushed away and the crazies like Beck and the birthers are let loose because they can score cheap political points that tend not to get refuted because they don't deserve an answer, not to mention the hardcore who would never agree with anything a democrat ever said love hearing it, it gives them that feeling of righteous fury that they so desperately crave.

re: #236 UFO TOFU

Never mind, wrong link.

re: #226 Gabriel Hanna

ACORN signs people up to vote who are not eligible. You have conceded this.

I concede that they - or individuals in their employ may have been accused of doing so. I concede that if they are found guilty of that, and the falsely registered people do in fact vote (fraudulently), then they are also accessories to fraud.

I have yet to see a case brought. It seems to me that a party interested in vote fraud would want to bring a case in a likely county even if it could not win. Your arguments that a trail is impossible to make would come out in such a case and make an argument in favor of an ID system on a potentially national platform. But I don't even see that.

re: #241 UFO TOFU

Never mind, wrong link.

Never apologize for suggesting a potentially good beer! :oD

re: #237 Coracle

But you can't tell me if anyone in fact has done that. You can't - or won't even point to any allegations anyone has done that. Are you trying to say that vote fraud is wide enough and pervasive enough to shift election outcomes, yet completely undetectable?

In addition "people like me" do not think proving identity for voting is inherently a bad thing, given equal access to eligible citizens. I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.

And how, exactly, does one (legally) catch someone voting fraudulently?

re: #238 RightOnTheLeftCoast

When you linked it, I thought it was going to be a SoCal brewery (Riverside, CA)

That's what I thought I was linking to. Used to be a great place for lunch, too.

re: #240 John Rohan

Since I don't know who these people are, I can't address their claims. However, you should be aware that people who are banned from LGF very often lie about the reason.

For example.

re: #238 RightOnTheLeftCoast

Yep... native SoCal boy.

This would be fun to check out.

re: #244 kochsr

And how, exactly, does one (legally) catch someone voting fraudulently?

Where I vote, I don't have to present an ID, but I do have to sign off on my name on the voter roll. Seems to me it would be pretty easy to catch someone signing off on Mickey Mouse, or the Dallas Cowboy's defensive line in Nevada.

re: #247 UFO TOFU

This would be fun to check out.

Jeez, I need to quit typing while I'm ahead.

re: #240 John Rohan

And one more comment on this. I am going to do whatever I think I need to do to keep LGF's comments from descending into the kind of hate speech and madness you can see all over right wing blogs that allow comments. If people want to think that makes me a "tyrant," so be it.

It's my name on this site, not a bunch of anonymous, unaccountable commenters. People do not have a "right" to post whatever they want here.

re: #240 John Rohan

What's your problem with #68 above?

re: #246 Charles

I'm always curious about these deleted posts. I feel like I've missed the car crash.

I never read PowerLine. No loss here...

re: #249 UFO TOFU

This would be fun to check out.

Jeez, I need to quit typing while I'm ahead.

Oooh! That does look interesting. A beer and music street festival.
*checking calendar*... Hmmm... possibilities!

re: #240 John Rohan

I'm deleting your post because I'm not going to send traffic to people who are smearing me.

re: #228 Kosh's Shadow

New England has a lot, too. But then, the whole micro brew movement was started here, sort of, by Sam Adams.

Yeah, my old buddy from the Air Force up in Boston is always bragging about the great micro brews up there, in between our endless Red Sox vs Yankees or Patriots vs. Dolphins arguments (I'm the Yankee and Dolphin fan). I happen to like Sam Adams a lot, thank God that beer is available nationwide, it's saved my taste buds from crap beer more than once.

Tonight, I'll hoist a Sam Adams to the good folks in Boston who brew it.

re: #240 John Rohan

And I've seen people get warned multiple times, only to persist in their ways before they get banned.
Also, people have been banned and reinstated.

The ones I've seen banned quickly are those who pop out of the woodwork and make their first post after several years, saying something designed to get them banned. Really, why would someone who has had 15 posts in 3 years flounce? Who would care?

On the other hand, sock puppets of the banned get quickly banned themselves, often after a single post, but it wasn't the content of the post, but that they were sock puppets.