A beautiful solo acoustic guitar performance by Sergio Altamura (assisted by a Boss RC-20XL LoopStation), with a somber gravity appropriate for this day. The tune is “Dragonfly,” and it’s from Altamura’s latest album, Aria Meccanica.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:08:34pm |
Appropriate, indeed.
Thank you, Charles.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:14:56pm |
(at the end ... Wow! ... and I don't much like electronic music)
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Kragar Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:18:18pm |
Homing Pigeon Faster Than South Africa's Internet
South Africa's leading Internet service provider is facing some unexpected competition. A financial services company, frustrated with super-slow Internet speed, decided to try a homing pigeon instead. It strapped a memory card to the leg of a bird. By the time it arrived at the data's destination, 50 miles away, the Internet had managed to send only 4 percent of the information.
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Czarny_Smok Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:23:55pm |
That's perfect for the mood of the day. Thanks Charles, very much appreciated.
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:24:23pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:32:50pm |
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:33:02pm |
I was so moved by the song that I don't feel like posting any other music.
Excellent choice Charles
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:34:26pm |
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Clemente Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:35:52pm |
Not sure if this got picked up yet, but I think, following a charade of a response by Iran, the pig's back in the hanger:
US says 6 nations accept Iran's offer to talk
"Now we are willing to meet with Iran. We hope to meet with Iran," Crowley said. "We want to see serious engagement on the nuclear issue, in particular."He added, "We are willing to address any other issues that they want to bring to the table. But, clearly, if Iran refuses to negotiate seriously, we — the United States and the international community and the Security Council — can draw conclusions from that. And then based on that, we'll make some judgments in the future."
Change!
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:37:02pm |
re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Ha! I know precisely how the workers who thought that one up felt.
Except, of course, a homing pigeon wouldn't help my brain.
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Randall Gross Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:37:36pm |
He's really extended the Brian May "repeats" technique into new territory -- a one artist symphony, that's composed analogue sound repeating instead of the synth digital layering of electronic or trance . I like.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:37:39pm |
re: #12 Danny
¡¡ǝɯ uo ʇɔǝɟɟǝ ǝƃuɐɹʇs ɐ ƃuıʌɐɥ sı ɔısnɯ sıɥʇɥʇ
You might wanna have that looked at. ;)
Hello Lizards.
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:38:13pm |
Just say NO to nuclear weapons
Obama sets stage for using budget maneuver to pass health reform
Bipartisan? Me thinks not
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:38:42pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:39:05pm |
re: #15 DEZes
You might wanna have that looked at. ;)
Hello Lizards.
HI DEZ! Finally the weekend! How are you feeling today?
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Randall Gross Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:39:20pm |
I dunno about the BDSM routine on the guitar however...
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:39:30pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:39:40pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:40:24pm |
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:40:40pm |
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:41:20pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:41:27pm |
re: #19 Thanos
I dunno about the BDSM routine on the guitar however...
I agree, but he IS the artist.
/wondering what Altamura was conceptualizing at that point
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:42:49pm |
re: #25 Dianna
MILLER the funny guy or MILLER the piss beer?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:43:22pm |
re: #25 Dianna
You wish!
That's right. You two are on the same time now.
/suffer, DD -- I've been there, had to do that
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:44:37pm |
re: #27 yochanan
O.T.
message to M. Moore
BITE ME
The guy looks like he would eat anything, I would be careful telling the tub to bite me. :)
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:45:34pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:46:00pm |
re: #18 HoosierHoops
HI DEZ! Finally the weekend! How are you feeling today?
Feeling tired, tried to lay down after work, the cat figured sleep was bad for me.
How you doing Hoops?
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:46:19pm |
re: #30 DEZes
The guy looks like he would eat anything, I would be careful telling the tub to bite me. :)
point taken
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:46:33pm |
re: #28 yochanan
MILLER the funny guy or MILLER the piss beer?
Um...would you believe that I've never had a Miller beer?
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:47:10pm |
re: #32 DEZes
Feeling tired, tried to lay down after work, the cat figured sleep was bad for me.
How you doing Hoops?
Cats need to hog all the sleep for themselves.
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Summersong Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:47:40pm |
re: #12 Danny
¡¡ǝɯ uo ʇɔǝɟɟǝ ǝƃuɐɹʇs ɐ ƃuıʌɐɥ sı ɔısnɯ sıɥʇɥʇ
Well, that is something I have never seen here before!
Upside down!
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:47:51pm |
| 39 |
Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:47:56pm |
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:48:42pm |
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:07pm |
re: #41 Erik The Red
Scotch time for me. But than again it always is. :)))
It'll be wine time for me in about 4 hours. No beer in the fridge today but have a full wine rack calling my name.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:14pm |
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:22pm |
up side down and backwards is how you read lead type when you hand set it.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:47pm |
re: #32 DEZes
Feeling tired, tried to lay down after work, the cat figured sleep was bad for me.
How you doing Hoops?
Doing great! Hope you are feeling better...
Finally we get a nice hot weekend coming up...BBQ Saturday and golf Sunday..
What's you doing Neighbor?
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Randall Gross Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:51pm |
re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I agree, but he IS the artist.
/wondering what Altamura was conceptualizing at that point
In some of his other selections he gets real extreme, using torture devices between the strings... :)
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Desert Dog Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:50:54pm |
re: #34 Dianna
Um...would you believe that I've never had a Miller beer?
You are better off for it...water beer
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:51:36pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:52:31pm |
re: #46 Thanos
In some of his other selections he gets real extreme, using torture devices between the strings... :)
UH oh!
Thanks for the warning
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:52:33pm |
| 51 |
Randall Gross Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:53:08pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:53:38pm |
re: #45 HoosierHoops
Doing great! Hope you are feeling better...
Finally we get a nice hot weekend coming up...BBQ Saturday and golf Sunday..
What's you doing Neighbor?
Just gonna take it as it comes all weekend.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:55:46pm |
re: #45 HoosierHoops
Doing great! Hope you are feeling better...
Finally we get a nice hot weekend coming up...BBQ Saturday and golf Sunday..
What's you doing Neighbor?
Hey 2H. I took a drive to Daytona today. The track looks huge. I will need to find out when the next race is and go and have a look.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:56:02pm |
re: #51 Thanos
Can I assume that you saw where Pakistan had the balls to nab Muslim Khan?
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 2:59:40pm |
re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Can I assume that you saw where Pakistan had the balls to nab Muslim Khan?
Link?
| 57 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:00:29pm |
| 58 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:01:51pm |
A classic flounce email:
(yadda yadda ... yadda yadda) ... I can not, in good faith, continue to participate in a website that is so openly hostile christians. Please remove me from your members list.
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:02:53pm |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:02:59pm |
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:03:12pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
Making it rather hard to remove him.
"Cancel your own damn subscription!"
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:03:18pm |
On a more somber note.
Charles was kind enough to give us a 9-11 thread.
Nearly 3000 Americans lost their lives at the hands of murderous jerks.
I offer a toast to every fire fighter, policeman, medic, soldier or average Joe that risked life and limb to help save the lives of the victims.
I give a moment of silence for those lost.
And I will most certainly never forget.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:03:21pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
Incredibly passive-aggressive on his part!
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:03:39pm |
re: #53 Erik The Red
Hey 2H. I took a drive to Daytona today. The track looks huge. I will need to find out when the next race is and go and have a look.
Hey you! Just wait till you see Indy...It's a serious track for serious people...
May is the biggest Party month in the State of Indiana for racing...
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:05:06pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:06:01pm |
Repost to sharm about SCV
by 2006, however, the SCV had been substantially taken over by an organized cadre of white supremacists (read here for more background) who sought to turn the nation’s oldest Southern historical society into what the veteran white supremacy activist Kirk Lyons called “a modern, 21st century Christian war machine capable of uniting the Confederate community and leading it to ultimate victory,” had seized much of the SCV’s leadership positions, the Southern Poverty Law Center released an extensive list of SCV officials who belonged to “hate groups.”
Damn creepy stuff.
I see the people who really do want "the South to rise again" as a basis for their twisted take on white Christian identity, shouting at our nation's first black president in the context of Christianity.
Yes indeedy, they show patriotism to America by wanting to dissolve the union. They show understanding of American values and notions of liberty, by defining it only for white Christian folks like them - only they are endowed with certain inalienable rights...
It's just the way the Klan thinks, but without the sheets.
It is this meme that the GOP has been banging on so hard.
It is this meme that allows the crazy to resonate do far in the right, and infect so very many people - the meme of fear of losing position to the other. Better to get out while the getting is good and have our own Klanistan they say. The rest of you can have them thar secular darkies for presidents.
It is the absolute most disgraceful meme in American history and it is the reason that I will now almost never vote for any Republican, unless and until the GOP, as a party, completely denounces this evil stuff. Unless and until they denounce it, they make themselves unworthy of my spit.
When the GOP was just throwing out the anti-science bones, I could call it misguided and stupid - even dangerous. However, this is simply evil.
It is against everything I believe in that makes this nation great.
It is evil. Just pure and simple.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:06:02pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:06:50pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
That doesn't give them a chance to stomp their widdle feet.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:07:30pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
Maybe I'm chicken but, I'd consider quitting, too.
I agree.
Islamabad, and maybe Rawalpindi too (Army HQ), appears to lack spine.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:07:35pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
It's the Attention.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:08:09pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
They want their money back.
/
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:09:14pm |
re: #72 MandyManners
That doesn't give them a chance to stomp their widdle feet.
An then they run away, and scream, That mean old Charles banned me.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:09:31pm |
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Pianobuff Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:10:32pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
Does that mean that we should expect him to return and scold you in a "last and final I tell ya" flounce for not deleting his id?
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Pianobuff Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:11:24pm |
re: #72 MandyManners
That doesn't give them a chance to stomp their widdle feet.
Email flounces are sooo 2008.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:11:29pm |
re: #79 Pianobuff
Does that mean that we should expect him to return and scold you in a "last and final I tell ya" flounce for not deleting his id?
It will. At about 6 AM Eastern time. Idiots.
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:11:39pm |
In a very different vein, I got to give a presentation today on Dvorak's piano trios, in particular the F minor trio and the Dumky Trio. Really fine pieces of music -- the latter one really begins to push the outside of the "romantic" envelope and in many places sounds more like something from Debussy or even Bartok than a "romantic" composer.
I love having the chance to teach music -- a rare but welcome diversion.
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Pianobuff Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:12:56pm |
re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar
It will. At about 6 AM Eastern time. Idiots.
Buried way back in some older post too, I'll bet. It will be like trying to find a flounce in a threadstack.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:14:11pm |
re: #76 DEZes
An then they run away, and scream, That mean old Charles banned me.
Wouldn't it be interesting to have a time machine, to go back and see how these people behaved as young children?
I sometimes wonder if the anonymity of the Internet gives some the ability to (subconsciously, at least) re-live their childhood fantasies.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:01pm |
Ever notice that people like 'y0kkles' in the previous thread, who come screeching in demanding that I cover a story, never seem to manage to scrape up the guts to come back and apologize when their assumptions turn out to be wrong?
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steve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:13pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
May be we could sign them up for South Africa's internet service. I hear that it is extremely fast//
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:16pm |
Charles should gather all the flounces for the year, pick the best one and reward them a free one year membership.
/
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:48pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
radical secularism has a bloody history as well i.e. stalinism.
extremes are a problem
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Randall Gross Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:15:54pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
Maybe I'm chicken but, I'd consider quitting, too.
The Khassadars are a tradional force that keeps goods flowing through the checkpoints, if they are gone our supply line is in trouble.
| 91 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:17:18pm |
re: #89 yochanan
You believe Stalin did what he did because he was a secularist (to use your term)?
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:18:50pm |
re: #85 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Wouldn't it be interesting to have a time machine, to go back and see how these people behaved as young children?
I sometimes wonder if the anonymity of the Internet gives some the ability to (subconsciously, at least) re-live their childhood fantasies.
I suspect they are still in their childhood, in other words, "aged adolescents". ;)
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:01pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
And then he doesn't tell me his username.
I'm not getting it at all...We are hostile to Christians? ( ok maybe the fruitcakes that believe Jesus wants us to Nuke Muslims ...That old chestnut)
I have talked about God since I've been here..I'll pray for someone, a Lizard, A Marine, Our Country, the prayer list, I'll pray for our Souls sometimes and not once has Charles ever gotten upset or downding me..
Yet..Several months ago I read that someone left here because they deeply felt in their heart they had to hid their love for God from Charles..
A Christian never hides their love of Jesus...They live their life on a higher plane... In case your preacher left this out on Sundays.. It's not about you..Nobody hide the Spirit of the Lord in their heart...You lead by example.
I don't really know the Bible but I remember a story about 2 guys..Each given some gift.. One buried it the backyard and was fearful of lose..The other invested it and showed the Lord how he profited his investment many times over...To hide your faith is a major fail...You failed yourself and your faith, ran away and blamed LGF.
/That's all I've got to say about that
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Clemente Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:06pm |
re: #58 Charles
A classic flounce email:
(yadda yadda ... yadda yadda) ... I can not, in good faith, continue to participate in a website that is so openly hostile christians. Please remove me from your members list.And then he doesn't tell me his username.
Maybe Killgore tapped the tequila a bit early today?
| 96 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:10pm |
re: #86 Charles
Ever notice that people like 'y0kkles' in the previous thread, who come screeching in demanding that I cover a story, never seem to manage to scrape up the guts to come back and apologize when their assumptions turn out to be wrong?
Knowing I can sound like a stuck record, this old fart refers you to my #85
/"accountability? I don't want no stinkin' accountability!"
| 97 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:26pm |
re: #44 yochanan
up side down and backwards is how you read lead type when you hand set it.
I took a printing class in college. The professor told us that during the Renaissance, printers were considered prone to homosexuality, since setting type upside down and backwards was believed to warp your moral character.
We spent a lot of time in the class discussing whether it was happening to us or not.
| 98 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:34pm |
re: #91 freetoken
communism was very anti religion so yes a extreme form of secularism.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:41pm |
re: #89 yochanan
I know, yoch. Just because Ludwig and I are discussing one form of extremism doesn't mean were ignoring other forms. The Soviets had their own form of anti-intellectualism and anti-science to match their anti-religiousness.
| 100 |
Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:19:57pm |
re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar
Charles should gather all the flounces for the year, pick the best one and reward them a free one year membership.
/
I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me as a member.
On a more serious note. I pray for the souls lost on 9/11 and pray, also, that g-d may forgive me my anger towards those that perpetrated this mass murder on our shores.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:20:24pm |
re: #93 DEZes
I suspect they are still in their childhood, in other words, "aged adolescents". ;)
Precisely.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:20:47pm |
re: #86 Charles
Ever notice that people like 'y0kkles' in the previous thread, who come screeching in demanding that I cover a story, never seem to manage to scrape up the guts to come back and apologize when their assumptions turn out to be wrong?
Whenever someone with strong political beliefs is murdered people assume its because of those beliefs. In the vast majority of those cases it ends up that the murder had nothing to do with that.
| 103 |
jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:20:53pm |
re: #15 DEZes
You might wanna have that looked at. ;)
Hello Lizards.
Hey Danny, let me know if you find anyone...perhaps they'll look at mine also.
/
| 104 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:21:16pm |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
That might leave a mark. Good for you for saying it. +1
| 105 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:21:40pm |
re: #99 Sharmuta
well the commies weren't anti science per say.
| 106 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:22:52pm |
re: #98 yochanan
May I suggest that Stalin did what he did because he wanted absolute control of a large and very diverse country with a history of warfare?
History is littered with the tens of millions of bodies of people who have fallen to the whims of maniacal egotists. Lust for power isn't a function of religious persuasion.
| 107 |
Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:23:24pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
I posted this last night. I wanted to show you because I think there is a common point with science, racism and religion. For the Christian Identity types- evolution as anti-religion and evolution as pertaining to common origins- would be a two-fer. They just can't have it.
I read through your comment, and in general I had no problem until I came to the closing lines:
It's wrong of course. Part of me also wonders if the fight against evolution goes beyond religion and touches on origins. That in the end, despite our physical differences, we are all one family. Racists can't have that.
To hell with them.
No racists can't have that -- and it is as true for those who would deny that Africans are part of the same "species" as it would for Nation of Islam types who claim that Whites are part of a failed alchemical experiment. But are you trying to say that there is a connection between religious belief and racism? That would be a stretch and incredibly unfair.
In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, religious leaders have been in the forefront of the push for human rights, both here and abroad. To suggest that strong religious belief, which necessarily requires a certain level of intolerance, leads to racism strikes me as a bit too facile. In any event, modern racism is deeply rooted in Hegel's notion of "the other" and its reinterpretation through the lens of Nietzsche (or at least a version of Nietzsche). One doesn't have to be religious to be intolerant, and some of the worst intolerance, at least in modern history, has been justified along secular, rather than religious lines.
| 108 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:24:10pm |
re: #107 Lucius Septimius
But are you trying to say that there is a connection between religious belief and racism?
Absolutely not!
| 109 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:24:12pm |
re: #105 yochanan
well the commies weren't anti science per say.
That is simply not true. Communist dictatorships, like totalitarian governments of all kinds, actively do away with scientific inquiry that questions the dictator's beliefs.
| 110 |
DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:24:25pm |
re: #103 jorline
Hey Danny, let me know if you find anyone...perhaps they'll look at mine also.
/
Must resist... ;)
| 111 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:24:44pm |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
Very good.
{Hoops} manly hug
| 112 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:25:03pm |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
I'm not getting it at all...We are hostile to Christians? ( ok maybe the fruitcakes that believe Jesus wants us to Nuke Muslims ...That old chestnut)
I have talked about God since I've been here..I'll pray for someone, a Lizard, A Marine, Our Country, the prayer list, I'll pray for our Souls sometimes and not once has Charles ever gotten upset or downding me..
Yet..Several months ago I read that someone left here because they deeply felt in their heart they had to hid their love for God from Charles..
A Christian never hides their love of Jesus...They live their life on a higher plane... In case your preacher left this out on Sundays.. It's not about you..Nobody hide the Spirit of the Lord in their heart...You lead by example.
I don't really know the Bible but I remember a story about 2 guys..Each given some gift.. One buried it the backyard and was fearful of lose..The other invested it and showed the Lord how he profited his investment many times over...To hide your faith is a major fail...You failed yourself and your faith, ran away and blamed LGF.
/That's all I've got to say about that
HH, I have not noticed hostility to Christians here, either.
Hostility to idiocy in the name of Christianity, yes.
| 113 |
Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:25:12pm |
| 114 |
yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:26:06pm |
re: #109 freetoken
the science was to be used by the state not by the person. the individual did not matter.
| 115 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:29:05pm |
re: #113 Lucius Septimius
I would never suggest such a thing except where it's specifically warranted like I said above to Ludwig- Christian Identity types, and other types of specific religious racism like NOI. When I go to mass, I am surrounded by people from all walks of life. I would never suggest such a thing.
| 117 |
Vicious Babushka Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:29:37pm |
re: #83 Pianobuff
Buried way back in some older post too, I'll bet. It will be like trying to find a flounce in a threadstack.
The LGF Spy sees all.
| 118 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:31:16pm |
Joining with Hoops and reine and others.
For the record, I do not recall ever seeing Charles post something which was anti-Christian, anti-religion, anti-Muslim, et cetera. Anti-Idiocy-in-the-name-of-religion is something else.
| 119 |
Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:31:51pm |
re: #115 Sharmuta
I would never suggest such a thing except where it's specifically warranted like I said above to Ludwig- Christian Identity types, and other types of specific religious racism like NOI. When I go to mass, I am surrounded by people from all walks of life. I would never suggest such a thing.
When you're referring to those specific groups -- yes, there probably is a kind of link. Of course, those are the same sorts of people who reject tradition (they would probably not consider someone who went to mass a Christian). Oddly enough, the more traditional the religion (with regards to teaching) the less likely it is to embrace those sorts of extremist positions.
Not trying to pick a fight -- I'm too tired and sore for that today.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:32:05pm |
Charles? Why do you hate Idiots?
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:32:19pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:35:18pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Stupid Question: Why do people need their accounts blocked - can't they just stop posting and go away?
They might be tempted. Stop me, before I post again!
Also, if they just left, Charles might think they had just taken up fly fishing or had a baby and had less time to post. He wouldn't know that they had left in a HUFF.
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Boogberg Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:36:23pm |
Charles,
Is my Mom allowed to use my account with my permission?
She would love a membership of her own. Can you arrange that or must she wait for open registration?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:36:37pm |
re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist
They might be tempted. Stop me, before I post again!
Also, if they just left, Charles might think they had just taken up fly fishing or had a baby and had less time to post. He wouldn't know that they had left in a HUFF.
It's very important to let Daddy know that you hate him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:37:24pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
I posted this last night. I wanted to show you because I think there is a common point with science, racism and religion. For the Christian Identity types- evolution as anti-religion and evolution as pertaining to common origins- would be a two-fer. They just can't have it.
But hilariously or sorrowfully enough, their Bible tells them the same damn thing. We are all children of the same parents. How can they ignore both religion and science, in favor of petty bigotry?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:39:02pm |
Charles, have you ever shot at the little mechanical ducks on a carnival midway? How about a software change, for when a particularly obnoxious troll is active?
Have the troll's comment boxes scrolling horizontally in a separate window ... and give us a gun-sight option for our mouse cursors.
/sound effects would be nice too ... :D
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:39:19pm |
re: #119 Lucius Septimius
When you're referring to those specific groups -- yes, there probably is a kind of link. Of course, those are the same sorts of people who reject tradition (they would probably not consider someone who went to mass a Christian). Oddly enough, the more traditional the religion (with regards to teaching) the less likely it is to embrace those sorts of extremist positions.
Not trying to pick a fight -- I'm too tired and sore for that today.
I don't know why we'd be fighting about it as you just agreed there is a likely link between racism and religion concerning evolution for some types of anti-science extremists. Before I found LGF, I would never have guessed there was such a thing as the Christian Identity movement, and I'm well aware they're fringe. I would never tar religion as a whole with the brush used to tar these sick notions. (And yes- Catholics are not Christians to many of these identity types.)
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:39:20pm |
re: #121 jorline
Don't fight the felling.
Good to see ya DEZ.
The secretary at work said she was having a problem, and asked if I would look at her thingy, I never had to work so hard at being good in my whole life.
;)
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:39:38pm |
This has been a rough day. That it was 9/11 didn't help. All day long I've been turning over in my mind what the day means; what the event means. I was teaching most of the day, and then had to take part in a hearing that may result in a student's expulsion, which is never a pleasant experience. Then came the interminable meeting of the IT advisory group to set priorities for how we'll spend the budget before it gets cut (new computers for all!). All the while I've been in horrible pain as every place where bone meets bone in my body aches. And the image of clouds of ash have been running like an endless film loop in my head. It made it hard to think about the schedule for new plug-ins on the VOIP system.
What does it take to cross that line? What does it take to cross the line from strongly held beliefs that are life-affirming to having those same beliefs become transformed into justifications for nihilistic destruction? It's probably no surprise that since 9/11 I've spent my time studying witch trials and early modern conspiracy theory. But for all my efforts, I just can't wrap my head around the problem. I am still left gasping for air when I think about it. What does it take to conceive of doing something like that?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:40:02pm |
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:40:09pm |
Just checked in on the powerline comments over there. What disgusting pieces of trash. I always thought Charles was a little to aggressive towards the religious right - but their actions now prove his point. Charles, you were right all along.
On the off chance Kosh reads this- this is starting to feel a bit like that episode Severed Dreams, no?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:40:34pm |
re: #124 Charles
It's very important to let Daddy know that you hate him.
Well, son, when you put it that way...
;D
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:41:08pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
But hilariously or sorrowfully enough, their Bible tells them the same damn thing. We are all children of the same parents. How can they ignore both religion and science, in favor of petty bigotry?
Thinking logically isn't their strong suit.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:41:20pm |
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:41:21pm |
re: #123 Boogberg
Charles,
Is my Mom allowed to use my account with my permission?
She would love a membership of her own. Can you arrange that or must she wait for open registration?
Does your mom wear socks?
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:41:22pm |
I've been posting a little less lately, but, for what just occurred to me is a very, very silly reason. My wireless is down and I am using my PC rather than my laptop.
Now, every time I want to type a comment I have to sit up from my very comfy chair.
I hate sit-ups!
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:41:50pm |
re: #131 MisterCookie
Just checked in on the powerline comments over there. What disgusting pieces of trash. I always thought Charles was a little to aggressive towards the religious right - but their actions now prove his point. Charles, you were right all along.
On the off chance Kosh reads this- this is starting to feel a bit like that episode Severed Dreams, no?
I haven't looked. Lots of vile things being said about me, I'm sure. Heard it before. Not interested.
Of course, the fact that their comment thread has turned into a sewer really makes my point pretty well, I think.
If anyone cares to notice.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:42:20pm |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've been posting a little less lately, but, for what just occurred to me is a very, very silly reason. My wireless is down and I am using my PC rather than my laptop.
Now, every time I want to type a comment I have to sit up from my very comfy chair.
I hate sit-ups!
You can't fold a grapefruit. ;)
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:42:31pm |
re: #133 Sharmuta
Thinking logically isn't their strong suit.
Oh, much of it is perfectly logical -- it's the premises that are the problem.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:42:35pm |
re: #129 Lucius Septimius
When your belief is not that God has blessed you and wants you to help others, but that God has made you special and you are entitled to rule over others.
No sarc.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:42:41pm |
re: #134 DEZes
Oh, forgot to say hi back.
WTF is felling?
lmao...pimf feeling
Is there a beer joint around here?
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:43:35pm |
re: #140 EmmmieG
When your belief is not that God has blessed you and wants you to help others, but that God has made you special and you are entitled to rule over others.
No sarc.
Yep. That pretty much nails it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:43:41pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:43:55pm |
re: #141 jorline
WTF is felling?
lmao...pimf feeling
Is there a beer joint around here?
I'm felling and can't get up. ;)
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:44:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:44:13pm |
re: #91 freetoken
You believe Stalin did what he did because he was a secularist (to use your term)?
Then we have Cromwell. Frankly, there is no human ideology that can't be warped into an excuse for murdering lots of fellow human beings, except, as far as I know, Jainism. Anyone know anything ugly about the Jains?
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:44:24pm |
re: #137 Charles
I haven't looked. Lots of vile things being said about me, I'm sure. Heard it before. Not interested.
Of course, the fact that their comment thread has turned into a sewer really makes my point pretty well, I think.
If anyone cares to notice.
They're going to get the dubious honor of being mapped to localhost in my hosts file - a "privilege" usually reserved for Kos. Don't want any errant bit of bandwidth going to their filth now.
Thank you Charles, for maintaining your sanity in the midst of all this madness from the left and right.
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steve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:04pm |
re: #144 DEZes
I'm felling and can't get up. ;)
If a tree has feelings in the forest, are we to fell it?
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:10pm |
No beer here. V&T. I need something stronger tonight.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:20pm |
re: #128 DEZes
The secretary at work said she was having a problem, and asked if I would look at her thingy, I never had to work so hard at being good in my whole life.
;)
well, did you look?
suspense is killing me DEZ.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:41pm |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:45:50pm |
Saw this on Fox News:
Census Bureau Severs Ties With ACORN
The Census Director has sent a letter to the National Headquarters of ACORN notifying the group that the Census Bureau is severing all ties with the community organizing group for all work having to do with the 2010 census. ACORN had previously been tapped to help with low level data gathering. A copy of the Director's letter has been sent to Congress and relevant committees, as well as ACORN.
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J.S. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:46:28pm |
re: #129 Lucius Septimius
What does it take to conceive of doing something like that?
(probably an absolute certainty that one's beliefs are unerringly correct...I also think it aligns with a form of totalitarianism. They will impose what they believe onto others, even if it kills them...)
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:46:29pm |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
it is rather secondary with them the bugs they don't kill pass germs that do kill.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:46:37pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:46:49pm |
re: #150 jorline
well, did you look?
suspense is killing me DEZ.
She wanted me to look at her computer. :(
My luck never changes.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:46:56pm |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:47:21pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
But hilariously or sorrowfully enough, their Bible tells them the same damn thing. We are all children of the same parents. How can they ignore both religion and science, in favor of petty bigotry?
Don't confuse their Bible with that Jew Book.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:47:31pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:47:48pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
Saw this on Fox News:
Politics as usual. And once again, this is going to encourage Glenn "McCarthy" Beck to get even more insane.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:47:53pm |
re: #149 Lucius Septimius
No beer here. V&T. I need something stronger tonight.
I have lime juice/vodka Popsicles. Will that do?
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:48:55pm |
re: #148 steve
If a tree has feelings in the forest, are we to fell it?
A tree I happened to adore
Aiming soon with it to score
But all my advances she did spurn
Thus rage inside me 'gan to turn
With vile anger, my pleasures coarse
I thought to take with loathesome force
But when with her I tried to rut
All I got was splinters in my butt.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:49:06pm |
re: #160 Charles
Politics as usual. And once again, this is going to encourage Glenn "McCarthy" Beck to get even more insane.
Yeah, no doubt. I listened to the that Katrina hurricane conspiracy before. Here's the AP report:
And from AP:
Census Bureau severs ties with ACORN in 2010 count
By HOPE YEN (AP) – 16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON — The Census Bureau on Friday severed its ties with ACORN, a community organization that has been hit with Republican accusations of voter-registration fraud.
"We do not come to this decision lightly," Census director Robert Groves wrote in a letter to ACORN, which was obtained by The Associated Press.
In splitting with ACORN, Groves sought to tamp down GOP concerns and negative publicity that the partnership will taint the 2010 head count.
"It is clear that ACORN's affiliation with the 2010 census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 census efforts," Groves wrote.
(continues)
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MisterCookie Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:49:42pm |
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Russkilitlover Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:50:29pm |
re: #160 Charles
Politics as usual. And once again, this is going to encourage Glenn "McCarthy" Beck to get even more insane.
Yay for the "screaming mobs" who have been trying to sound the alarm about ACORN for a while now!
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:50:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:50:44pm |
re: #129 Lucius Septimius
I was teaching most of the day, and then had to take part in a hearing that may result in a student's expulsion, which is never a pleasant experience.
Oh, ick. Had one of those this summer. Not fun at all.
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:51:21pm |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:51:26pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:51:45pm |
re: #163 Lucius Septimius
A tree I happened to adore
Aiming soon with it to score
But all my advances she did spurn
Thus rage inside me 'gan to turn
With vile anger, my pleasures coarse
I thought to take with loathesome force
But when with her I tried to rut
All I got was splinters in my butt.
Don't tell me, ... that was one of Joyce Kilmer's early drafts?
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Boogberg Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:52:05pm |
re: #151 jorline
Actually, My mom is pretty sharp. That's why I wanted to get her signed up.
She can use my account but I'd rather have permission.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:52:12pm |
re: #165 MisterCookie
But where will we get our outrage now?!
Oh, don't worry about that. There's always another fake outrage in the wings.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:53:09pm |
re: #154 yochanan
it is rather secondary with them the bugs they don't kill pass germs that do kill.
Hmmm. That seems like reaching to me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:53:40pm |
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:07pm |
The public counting is one of the most political acts the gov't does and having ACORN have any connections to it was a problem
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:10pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:13pm |
re: #139 Lucius Septimius
Oh, much of it is perfectly logical -- it's the premises that are the problem.
That's a good point.
Anti-intellectualism, anti-science, fascism/marxism, extremism- I don't see these things as unrelated. When you start looking into them, they all seem to come back to the same basic points of origin- fear of that which is different from us. Keeping people stupid and afraid makes them more controllable.
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:16pm |
re: #171 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Don't tell me, ... that was one of Joyce Kilmer's early drafts?
LOL!
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Russkilitlover Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:46pm |
re: #173 Charles
Oh, don't worry about that. There's always another fake outrage in the wings.
Not all outrage against this Admin is "fake." In fact, most is not.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:54:55pm |
Police: Shooting suspect offended by anti-abortion material
Authorities have charged an Owosso, Michigan, man with two counts of first-degree premeditated murder in the Friday shooting deaths of an anti-abortion activist and another man, a prosecutor's office said.
Authorities say the suspect, Harlan James Drake, was offended by anti-abortion material that the activist had displayed across from the school all week.
Fucking kooks on both sides of the issue.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:55:22pm |
re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist
They found a non-Jew one?
Do you know what 707 is?
It's when I'm laughing LOL and fall over backwards in my chair...Give a guy some warning!
*wink*
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freetoken Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:55:50pm |
I see Drudge is still pimping Buchanan (see second entry on left column of Drudge as of 3:45 Pacific).
And of course right below that is a link to Texas Gov. Perry sending state troopers (Rangers) to the border...
Now, there has been lots of violence on that part of the border... yet why is Perry doing it now? Is it that the Senate race is heating up (with Hutchison being a strong contender?)
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J.S. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:56:02pm |
hmmm...speaking of higher education...there's a new website called "Academic Earth" which offers freebie courses (primarily in the sciences)...link here.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:56:49pm |
re: #137 Charles
I haven't looked. Lots of vile things being said about me, I'm sure. Heard it before. Not interested.
Of course, the fact that their comment thread has turned into a sewer really makes my point pretty well, I think.
If anyone cares to notice.
Well, I just went and read them all. For a few minutes it seemed like the same person was commenting under a different name because they all basically say the exact same thing, to paraphrase:
I used to like Charles back when he posted about X, Y, Z but now that he doesn't post about them so much and posts about Q, R and S I don't like him any more. He's not a real G. Yadda, Yadda.
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Danny Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:57:09pm |
Hey, to all you iPhone users: did you notice a speed increase with the 3.1 update? I could swear the thing seems to run faster.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:57:11pm |
re: #183 freetoken
I see Drudge is still pimping Buchanan (see second entry on left column of Drudge as of 3:45 Pacific).
And of course right below that is a link to Texas Gov. Perry sending state troopers (Rangers) to the border...
Now, there has been lots of violence on that part of the border... yet why is Perry doing it now? Is it that the Senate race is heating up (with Hutchison being a strong contender?)
He also still has that goofy CNN/Coast Guard story still up. Seems like a waste of space.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:58:01pm |
re: #183 freetoken
I see Drudge is still pimping Buchanan (see second entry on left column of Drudge as of 3:45 Pacific).
And of course right below that is a link to Texas Gov. Perry sending state troopers (Rangers) to the border...
Now, there has been lots of violence on that part of the border... yet why is Perry doing it now? Is it that the
SenateGovernors race is heating up (with Hutchison being a strong contender?)
FTFY
| 189 |
King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:59:09pm |
Larry Gelbart died.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:59:40pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
whats so goofy about it. CNN gets caught with there pants down. not as good as when they were caught with Arab dictators but showing a light on there incompetence is OK with me.
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Danny Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:01:11pm |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Larry Gelbart died.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
There goes a great one. God rest his soul.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:02:42pm |
Thank you Charles. I needed this music today.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:02:49pm |
The hate mail just keeps pouring in today. Apparently, I now hate America, because I didn't post a flag graphic today.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:03:38pm |
re: #186 Danny
Hey, to all you iPhone users: did you notice a speed increase with the 3.1 update? I could swear the thing seems to run faster.
No..Any Blackberry users out there? Back when I was using a 7520 I could blog on LGF...( you have no idea how convenient that is at a boring dinner party with boring people and you are pretending to work.life saver)
Since I upgraded to the World Edition..It can only render the left panel..Any body here want to work together on a App?
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:04:34pm |
re: #193 Charles
The hate mail just keeps pouring in today. Apparently, I now hate America, because I didn't post a flag graphic today.
Weirdos. No flag graphic at Hot Air.
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:04:40pm |
re: #193 Charles
The hate mail just keeps pouring in today. Apparently, I now hate America, because I didn't post a flag graphic today.
Neither did Google or Yahoo. Why don't they bitch about those sites?
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:06:58pm |
re: #129 Lucius Septimius
This has been a rough day. That it was 9/11 didn't help. All day long I've been turning over in my mind what the day means; what the event means. I was teaching most of the day, and then had to take part in a hearing that may result in a student's expulsion, which is never a pleasant experience. Then came the interminable meeting of the IT advisory group to set priorities for how we'll spend the budget before it gets cut (new computers for all!). All the while I've been in horrible pain as every place where bone meets bone in my body aches. And the image of clouds of ash have been running like an endless film loop in my head. It made it hard to think about the schedule for new plug-ins on the VOIP system.
What does it take to cross that line? What does it take to cross the line from strongly held beliefs that are life-affirming to having those same beliefs become transformed into justifications for nihilistic destruction? It's probably no surprise that since 9/11 I've spent my time studying witch trials and early modern conspiracy theory. But for all my efforts, I just can't wrap my head around the problem. I am still left gasping for air when I think about it. What does it take to conceive of doing something like that?
Simple. If it were possible for you to remove your brain it would all make sense.
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:07:04pm |
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
an elephant talking to a donkey
i will trade you a truther for a birther?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:07:25pm |
Hey there lizards...was on the outside looking in for a little while.
The 8-year anniv of 9/11 almost snuck up on me until I was initailling and dating some paperwork last night.
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Dianna Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:07:56pm |
Goodnight!
I finished a huge and very ugly report! It all balances!
Thank you all for saving me from going mad while looking at numbers.
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:08:07pm |
re: #198 yochanan
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
an elephant talking to a donkey
i will trade you a truther for a birther?
go to cartoon no. 10
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:08:08pm |
They're coming in about one every ten minutes. The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper, says I ban anyone who disagrees, and predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:10:23pm |
re: #202 Charles
They're coming in about one every ten minutes. The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper, says I ban anyone I disagrees, and predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon.
I respect everyone's right to disagree. What folks seem to ignore, especially those comments I just read on powerline, is that this is your blog to express your thoughts about life, the universe and everything. Based on the variety of content on LGF it's fairly obvious that your goal isn't to score points with any particular party. Why would you do "this" or "that" in your own home just to please a demanding guest?
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:10:52pm |
re: #202 Charles
The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper.
They're after your Precious Bodily Fluids!
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:11:29pm |
re: #202 Charles
They're coming in about one every ten minutes. The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper, says I ban anyone I disagrees, and predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon.
??
How the hell does a blog "fail"? The concept makes no sense to me.
Meanwhile, it seems like your traffic is increasing. Must be the stalkers, as their bizarre obsession grows to consume every moment of their waking lives. /
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:12:18pm |
re: #194 HoosierHoops
No..Any Blackberry users out there? Back when I was using a 7520 I could blog on LGF...( you have no idea how convenient that is at a boring dinner party with boring people and you are pretending to work.life saver)
Since I upgraded to the World Edition..It can only render the left panel..Any body here want to work together on a App?
Blackberry is a racist company. Think about it.
What kind of phone does our President use? Yep, a BlackBarry!
//
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J.S. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:12:41pm |
CBC is reporting that riots broke out today in London...about 9/11 commemorative events...apparently a small group of racists/bigots (anti-Muslim thugs -- wearing face scarves) started a row...according to the CBC the racists were outnumbered and defeated by a much larger group of anti-fascists...
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:13:32pm |
re: #202 Charles
They're coming in about one every ten minutes. The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper, says I ban anyone I disagrees, and predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon.
I'll believe you're going down the toilet Charles when the Russians say so!
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:13:42pm |
re: #194 HoosierHoops
No..Any Blackberry users out there? Back when I was using a 7520 I could blog on LGF...( you have no idea how convenient that is at a boring dinner party with boring people and you are pretending to work.life saver)
Since I upgraded to the World Edition..It can only render the left panel..Any body here want to work together on a App?
Well, I'm a programmer and my wife has a miniblackberry phone so it's interesting. In what language/syntax are the blackberry apps coded?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:14:01pm |
My bil's Starfighter Project was terminated and ended up at the curb in little pieces(view album).
There goes our Navy of the future.
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Danny Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:14:28pm |
I can sorta understand the General Ripper comparison. I mean, Charles is always blogging about how water flouridation is a Communist plot. Or, was it a Bircher plot? Damn, I always get Communists and Birchers confused.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:14:52pm |
I've never understood why so many people seem to think the purpose of a blog is to be a shill for a political party.
That's not at all what I EVER wanted LGF to be. In the heat of a big election, yes, there will be a lot of pulling for the side you want to see win -- but to automatically fall into lockstep with every little talking point? To refrain from criticizing people who are doing bad things because they're "on your side?"
Nope. Not me.
This is the reason why I've never attended CPAC or any of those other ultra-partisan events -- I don't want to be tied to a political party.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:10pm |
re: #202 Charles
predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon
In that case, I only hope I'm inside the coffin when the lid's nailed on.
/sure as hell don't wanna be out there with THEM!
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badger1970 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:11pm |
re: #196 mikalm
Working at the middle school, the kids (probably between the ages of 3-6 when 9/11 occurred) ignored the books the librarian put out on the twin towers. If it not in the here and now, it's not interesting. The teachers weren't too concerned either, more worried about the stuttered video from bo's 9/8 speech.
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:25pm |
[Link: www.thefederalregister.com...]
state dept is spending 20$ million to help gaza arabs move to America
hopium goes for out reach to get more democrat voters I see.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:29pm |
This place needs some columns.
Feelin' a little silly.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:31pm |
Oh...and some lizard mentioned a possible re-make of the 1985 movie Runaway Train was in the works.
They were partially correct in that there's a movie being filmed in Pennsylvania and upstate New York- the plot centers around a runaway train, but there's apparently no jailbreak subplot. Instead it stars Denzel Washington and Rosario Dawson as railway employees trying to bring a runaway train full of volatile chemicals under control before it wrecks in a large town.
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Bloodnok Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:15:46pm |
re: #205 Locker
I respect everyone's right to disagree. What folks seem to ignore, especially those comments I just read on powerline, is that this is your blog to express your thoughts about life, the universe and everything. Based on the variety of content on LGF it's fairly obvious that your goal isn't to score points with any particular party. Why would you do "this" or "that" in your own home just to please a demanding guest?
This blog has always been quite clear where it stands and Charles has never even pretended to claim affiliation with any side. So I am not sure why people are so quick to put him in whatever box happens to be important to them.
This blog goes where the stupid isn't.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:16:36pm |
I'm signing off for the Sabbath, now. Here is a song that was played at my son's wedding:
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:24pm |
re: #205 Locker
I respect everyone's right to disagree. What folks seem to ignore, especially those comments I just read on powerline, is that this is your blog to express your thoughts about life, the universe and everything. Based on the variety of content on LGF it's fairly obvious that your goal isn't to score points with any particular party. Why would you do "this" or "that" in your own home just to please a demanding guest?
Look at it this way, I seldom agree with you Locker, that means we can't both be agreeing with Charles. I wonder which of us he's going to ban? We all know he just wants an echo chamber here.
//
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:34pm |
re: #217 badger1970
Working at the middle school, the kids (probably between the ages of 3-6 when 9/11 occurred) ignored the books the librarian put out on the twin towers. If it not in the here and now, it's not interesting. The teachers weren't too concerned either, more worried about the stuttered video from bo's 9/8 speech.
There are people who just wish we'd forget about the whole thing and move on -- it raises too many questions they aren't willing to answer.
As for the kids, they need to know about this, and not in the "oh it was tragic but it was the expected reaction of oppressed peoples" way.
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yochanan Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:17:53pm |
i got arrested at a anti nazi demo frankly there just as many anti semites on the leftist side as the nazi side.
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:18:28pm |
re: #221 Bloodnok
This blog goes where the stupid isn't.
I beg to differ. This blog goes where the stupid is, and calls it stupid, whatever its partisan origins.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:18:45pm |
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:12pm |
re: #226 yochanan
i got arrested at a anti nazi demo frankly there just as many anti semites on the leftist side as the nazi side.
And not surprising given that leftists are the ones who have been laboring so hard over the past thirty years to make hating Jews "intellectually respectable."
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:15pm |
(And by the way, I've resisted a LOT of pressure to attend CPAC, from people whose names you'd probably recognize.)
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:23pm |
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:43pm |
Never forget what happened 8 years ago today.
Remember those poor innocent souls in N.Y., Virginia, and Pennsylvania who were targeted and brutally murdered just because they were Americans.
Remember that there are millions of others out there today who will gladly give their life to take yours in a brutal fashion. They do this because they believe in things you may not, and that angers them. They want to change you, or kill you. They do not care if they die as well in the process. The people that do these things are less than human, less than animal. They are evil - pure and simple.
If good men sit by and do nothing these monsters will gladly strike again. Never let your guard down. Never forget.
And always remember the victims of 9/11/2001.
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Bloodnok Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:44pm |
re: #227 mikalm
I beg to differ. This blog goes where the stupid is, and calls it stupid, whatever its partisan origins.
I think we can agree on that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:19:56pm |
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:08pm |
I like going to AIPAC meetings. They have really good food. And given the levels of Israeli security, they are the safest events you can go to in this town.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:24pm |
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:20:30pm |
re: #230 Charles
(And by the way, I've resisted a LOT of pressure to attend CPAC, from people whose names you'd probably recognize.)
It's ok if you want to name drop Beck and Hannity Charles.
/
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:21:05pm |
re: #215 Charles
I've never understood why so many people seem to think the purpose of a blog is to be a shill for a political party.
That's not at all what I EVER wanted LGF to be. In the heat of a big election, yes, there will be a lot of pulling for the side you want to see win -- but to automatically fall into lockstep with every little talking point? To refrain from criticizing people who are doing bad things because they're "on your side?"
Nope. Not me.
This is the reason why I've never attended CPAC or any of those other ultra-partisan events -- I don't want to be tied to a political party.
I'm quite sure those core goals are the primary cause of the high level of discourse between ideas of the right and left on LGF. Committing yourself to a critical analysis of ideas regardless of "politics" is something which garners a great amount of respect.
A majority your detractors seem to be upset with the results of your critical analysis when it doesn't fall in their circle, regardless of content or accuracy.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:21:08pm |
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:21:28pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:12pm |
re: #220 Fenway_Nation
Oh...and some lizard mentioned a possible re-make of the 1985 movie Runaway Train was in the works.
They were partially correct in that there's a movie being filmed in Pennsylvania and upstate New York- the plot centers around a runaway train, but there's apparently no jailbreak subplot. Instead it stars Denzel Washington and Rosario Dawson as railway employees trying to bring a runaway train full of volatile chemicals under control before it wrecks in a large town.
Wait - they already did that movie. I don't remember the name, but it was a running joke at work about 10 years ago. Made for TV. The "plot," such as it was, involved a train speeding out of control toward (I think) Denver, aided by gravity coming down out of the mountains, and carrying a boatload of toxic chemicals!
And deadly military biological materials, like super-plague!
And - of course - a couple of sections filled with nuclear waste!
I think there were explosives of some sort involved, too. Maybe several sorts.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:19pm |
re: #240 albusteve
shitty...lots of pain, but you get used to it...sort of
Hope it's all up from here! Nice to see you posting again.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:27pm |
'eschew_obfuscation' is now posting at the stalker blog. I blocked that account, along with the other 4 sock puppets he/she/it registered.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:34pm |
re: #223 albusteve
I disagree with everyone, if I can
How th' hell are you doin', you obnoxious cuss?!
:D
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:34pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:41pm |
re: #240 albusteve
shitty...lots of pain, but you get used to it...sort of
Good to see ya, welcome back.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:22:48pm |
re: #239 jorline
You were miss...glad to see you again my friend,
thanks...hope all's well with you and yours
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Russkilitlover Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:12pm |
re: #243 Charles
'eschew_obfuscation' is now posting at the stalker blog. I blocked that account, along with the other 4 sock puppets he/she/it registered.
Why?
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:31pm |
re: #240 albusteve
shitty...lots of pain, but you get used to it...sort of
God speed to a fast and full recovery.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:44pm |
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:23:59pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:09pm |
re: #223 albusteve
Oh, and I dinged you. Just to piss you off.
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Boogberg Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:24:18pm |
re: #230 Charles
Imagine that! People who want influence courting someone who has influence. :D
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:19pm |
re: #247 albusteve
thanks...hope all's well with you and yours
You and your is well on the days I don't forget to take my meds.
/
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:20pm |
Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will
fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in.
Calling the AA is not an option. I will win.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:30pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:39pm |
re: #253 Boogberg
Imagine that! People who want influence courting someone who has influence. :D
Good point.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:25:41pm |
thanks for all the kind thoughts...I'm alive and kicking a bit...just snooping around to see what Charles has going
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:26:26pm |
When I think of all those nights
All those games you played
All those times I tried to Flounce
But all those times I stayed
I still hear the laughter
And cuts me like a blade...
I'm living on a thin line
It's a thin line
Between what is and what is not
It's a thin line between what you need
and what you got
It's a thin line
When I think of bloggers
I thought they were the finest in the world
They fact check every Story
They were shining like a pearl
Now I see it was politics
another story in this world
It' a thin line
It's a thin line
Between what is and what is not
It's a thin line between what you need
and what you got
It's a thin line
I wrote it in an E minor vamp Charles...I could always record it with my Strat and sing it for you...LOL
/Shameless garage musician *wink*
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:26:31pm |
re: #257 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will
fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in.
Calling the AA is not an option. I will win.
It helps to have a spare hidden somewhere.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:26:33pm |
re: #261 albusteve
thanks for all the kind thoughts...I'm alive and kicking a bit...just snooping around to see what Charles has going
Nice to see you back. Get well soon.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:27:08pm |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:27:53pm |
re: #243 Charles
'eschew_obfuscation' is now posting at the stalker blog. I blocked that account, along with the other 4 sock puppets he/she/it registered.
4 sock puppets? That's says a lot about a person. I'm sure they came in here at different times taking on different personalities. Something like that. Otherwise that's rather devious.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:02pm |
re: #211 Locker
Well, I'm a programmer and my wife has a miniblackberry phone so it's interesting. In what language/syntax are the blackberry apps coded?
Let me check it out with our Oracle programmers at work..It's probably just some Java
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:06pm |
re: #261 albusteve
Thanks for updating Walter on how you were doing. We were concerned.
But, honestly, I haven't missed the "Stones"...
*(runs away laughing)*
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:34pm |
re: #268 Gus 802
4 sock puppets? That's says a lot about a person. I'm sure they came in here at different times taking on different personalities. Something like that. Otherwise that's rather devious.
Especially ironic given it's nic.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:45pm |
Hey lizards...most important news of the week.
We've received 6.5 inches of rain at my house in south Texas over the last two days.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:28:50pm |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:00pm |
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:05pm |
Who has time for socks? Hell, it's all I can do to remember who I am sometimes.
Just did a couple of blocking drills with the boy. Now I'm REALLY sore.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:08pm |
re: #272 jorline
Y'all been needin' it or no?
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:34pm |
re: #265 Sharmuta
Nice to see you back. Get well soon.
my spirit is untouched by events...hope that's a good thing...hahaha!...thanks
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:39pm |
Because I'm a man , when the car isn't running very well, I will pop the hood and stare at the engine as if I know what I'm looking at. If another man shows up, one of us will say to the other, 'I used to be able to fix these things, but now with all these computers and everything, I wouldn't know where to start.' We will then drink a couple of beers and break wind, as a form of holy communion.
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:29:44pm |
re: #272 jorline
Hey lizards...most important news of the week.
We've received 6.5 inches of rain at my house in south Texas over the last two days.
I was down there for some of that. My shoes have still not dried out.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:30:01pm |
re: #241 SixDegrees
Yes...all the things that shouldn't be put together on one train apparently were for the benefit of that movie.
Cripes...a dozen or so cars filled with chlorine could've sufficed.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:30:04pm |
re: #273 VioletTiger
I think I'm married to Felix Ungers's son. We have spare spares.
Your not an odd couple are you? ;)
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:30:25pm |
re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks for updating Walter on how you were doing. We were concerned.
But, honestly, I haven't missed the "Stones"...
*(runs away laughing)*
most Barry Manilow fans wouldn't
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:30:49pm |
re: #281 DEZes
Your not an odd couple are you? ;)
I'm not that much of a slob, but I am a serious pack-rat.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:30:52pm |
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:44pm |
re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Y'all been needin' it or no?
Way behind on our rain. We've had 4 inches over the last 13 months, the annual rain fall around here is 28 inches a year. Damn dry.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:55pm |
re: #283 VioletTiger
I'm not that much of a slob, but I am a serious pack-rat.
Can girls be slobs?
Gotta think about that.
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J.S. Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:31:58pm |
Well, must get going here...(hope RealWest is doing ok...didn't hear from him today...)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:32:05pm |
re: #282 albusteve
most Barry Manilow fans wouldn't
You never heard Barry's cover of "Shattered"? I'll find it and post it...
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:32:17pm |
re: #279 VioletTiger
I was down there for some of that. My shoes have still not dried out.
Where were you VT?
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:33:19pm |
re: #286 DEZes
Can girls be slobs?
Gotta think about that.
I'm more disorganized than sloppy---or maybe just compared to my husband.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:33:31pm |
Because I'm a man, I can be relied upon to purchase basic groceries at the store, like beer, milk or bread. I cannot be expected to find exotic items like 'cumin' or 'tofu.' For all I know, these are the same thing..
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:33:39pm |
re: #285 jorline
Way behind on our rain. We've had 4 inches over the last 13 months, the annual rain fall around here is 28 inches a year. Damn dry.
our monsoon here in NM was late, but it's come on like gangbusters...I feel for you folks over there
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:34:02pm |
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:34:22pm |
re: #278 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man , when the car isn't running very well, I will pop the hood and stare at the engine as if I know what I'm looking at. If another man shows up, one of us will say to the other, 'I used to be able to fix these things, but now with all these computers and everything, I wouldn't know where to start.' We will then drink a couple of beers and break wind, as a form of holy communion.
lmao...I'll remember your comment and chuckle while reieving my sacroments on Sunday.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:34:54pm |
I saw a Vermont Royster op-ed decades ago (in the now-defunct Dow Jones weekly named something like "National Enquirer", but not that -- can't recall at the moment.)
The editorial dealt with welfare, and had a classic line. The problem with welfare is like with feeding pigeons in the park. If you stop feeding them, they get really pissed. (That wasn't Royster's choice of word.)
If anyone can give me a lead on how to find it again, I'll be much obliged.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:34:56pm |
re: #257 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will
fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in.
Calling the AA is not an option. I will win.
I don't think Alcohalics Anonymous can help you unlock your car.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:35:39pm |
re: #291 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, I can be relied upon to purchase basic groceries at the store, like beer, milk or bread. I cannot be expected to find exotic items like 'cumin' or 'tofu.' For all I know, these are the same thing..
I never ask a man for directions, because I know how men are, I am one.
If a lady asks me for directions, I will be glad to help'
If a man asks me for directions, his gas card better be paid up. ;)
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:35:48pm |
re: #294 jorline
lmao...I'll remember your comment and chuckle while receiving my sacraments on Sunday.
I'll remember your comment and chuckle while receiving my sacraments on Sunday.
BIG PIMF
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Boogberg Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:35:53pm |
Where's that old video of the four guys telling it like it is? They were somewhat pissed off by terrorist scum. very hard rock.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:36:04pm |
re: #294 jorline
lmao...I'll remember your comment and chuckle while reieving my sacroments on Sunday.
So will I. :)))
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:36:12pm |
Wow, iTunes 9 is really cool. Some great new features, and a much nicer design.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:38:01pm |
8 arrested at protest outside mosque in London
One person was arrested "to prevent a breach of the peace," police said in a statement. The right-wing demonstration's organizer, Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE), said on its Web site one of the demonstration's planners had been arrested.Seven other people were arrested during the melee for possession of "offensive weapons" -- including bottles of bleach, a hammer and a chisel, police said.
Police said incidents at the scene began when the crowd -- believed to be either members of an anti-fascism group or there to provide support to the Harrow Central Mosque -- went after three youths, "caught up with them, and assaulted them," police said.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:38:31pm |
re: #268 Gus 802
4 sock puppets? That's says a lot about a person. I'm sure they came in here at different times taking on different personalities. Something like that. Otherwise that's rather devious.
Could very well be.
I've got one sock here, named "pre-Boomer's SockPuppy".
I'm sincerely mortified over my lack of deviousness.
/obviously a character flaw
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:38:38pm |
re: #292 albusteve
our monsoon here in NM was late, but it's come on like gangbusters...I feel for you folks over there
Thanks, my wife's family and extended family are all farmers. They'll be drinking for the next week while celebrating.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:39:32pm |
Because I'm a man, when one of our appliances stops working, I will insist on taking it apart, despite evidence that this will just cost me twice as much once the repair person gets here and has to put it back together.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:39:57pm |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
Remember when Baron Bodissey posted something a few months ago about how they were planning more "direct" action?
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:40:34pm |
re: #303 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Could very well be.
I've got one sock here, named "pre-Boomer's SockPuppy".
I'm sincerely mortified over my lack of deviousness.
/obviously a character flaw
I had thought of having one called "Lucius's evil twin" but then said to myself "why?"
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:40:38pm |
re: #285 jorline
Way behind on our rain. We've had 4 inches over the last 13 months, the annual rain fall around here is 28 inches a year. Damn dry.
I just had an honest-t'-gosh gully washer outside my place.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:41:31pm |
re: #303 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Could very well be.
I've got one sock here, named "pre-Boomer's SockPuppy".
I'm sincerely mortified over my lack of deviousness.
/obviously a character flaw
Let nobody could ever figured out who's sock that is...Every time there was a clap of thunder he was under your bed shaking..*wink* Dead giveaway
/
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:41:51pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:23pm |
Candy for the Norks.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
First a visit from Bill Clinton, followed by posturing and then a release of water from a North Korean dam that caused a flash flood which killed 6 people.
So now we will negotiate directly with Kim Jong Il.
I suppose there are some tea leaves that signal unclenching on the part of North Korea that was not forthcoming from Iran, but I don't see it.
Maybe someone can fill me in.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:26pm |
re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I just had an honest-t'-gosh gully washer outside my place.
Got 2 inches of rain today and am very HAPPY! Now if we could just have a month of down pours every thing would be hunky-dory!
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:29pm |
Because I'm a man, there is no need to ask me what I'm thinking about. The true answer is always either sex, cars, sex, sports or sex. I have to make up something else when you ask, so don't ask.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:37pm |
re: #308 Lucius Septimius
I had thought of having one called "Lucius's evil twin" but then said to myself "why?"
LOL!
Kind of like Killgore's
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:42pm |
re: #303 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Could very well be.
I've got one sock here, named "pre-Boomer's SockPuppy".
I'm sincerely mortified over my lack of deviousness.
/obviously a character flaw
pre-Boomer's SockPuppy? Now who could that be.
/
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:51pm |
re: #307 Charles
Remember when Baron Bodissey posted something a few months ago about how they were planning more "direct" action?
Man the barricades!
/
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:42:55pm |
re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I just had an honest-t'-gosh gully washer outside my place.
Well by gully, don't ditch about it.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:43:16pm |
Tim Hawkins - The Government Can
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:44:26pm |
re: #306 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when one of our appliances stops working, I will insist on taking it apart, despite evidence that this will just cost me twice as much once the repair person gets here and has to put it back together.
Or else three times as to replace it when told it can't be fixed.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:44:46pm |
Jeremy Paxman, BBC Newsnight anchor, is pissed off:
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:44:57pm |
re: #306 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when one of our appliances stops working, I will insist on taking it apart, despite evidence that this will just cost me twice as much once the repair person gets here and has to put it back together.
Just for you Red.
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:45:11pm |
re: #320 solomonpanting
Or else three times as to replace it when told it can't be fixed.
If it doesn't fit, force it; if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:46:24pm |
re: #323 Lucius Septimius
If it doesn't fit, force it; if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
Get a bigger hammer!
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VioletTiger Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:46:38pm |
re: #323 Lucius Septimius
If it doesn't fit, force it; if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
Or some duct tape.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:46:59pm |
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:12pm |
re: #319 Racer X
Tim Hawkins - The Government Can
[Video]
ROFLMAO!
I feel so stupid. All those years the leftisits were telling me how horrible the government is and I ignored them. I really should have been paying attention - because they were right all along.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:18pm |
re: #311 Gus 802
Thanks for the reminder & link!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:28pm |
If you're a hermaphrodite and you want to race... which side do you run for?
Oddest damn sports story I think I've ever seen.
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:37pm |
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:47:57pm |
re: #325 VioletTiger
Or some duct tape.
I used to threaten my grand-sons with duct tape (with their parents approval) To this day they hate duct tape.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:48:20pm |
re: #291 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, I can be relied upon to purchase basic groceries at the store, like beer, milk or bread. I cannot be expected to find exotic items like 'cumin' or 'tofu.' For all I know, these are the same thing..
You better be able to find the cumin if you wanna make some good bbq dry rub. :-)
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:48:30pm |
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:50:12pm |
re: #328 Floral Giraffe
Thanks for the reminder & link!
YW
Maybe this time CNN won't call it Andrews AFB on their coverage. ;)
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:52:10pm |
re: #334 Gus 802
Hmm, maybe I can make one out of Obama's baby footprint.
//
/Hey Obama, let's see you do THAT!
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:52:18pm |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you're a hermaphrodite and you want to race... which side do you run for?
Oddest damn sports story I think I've ever seen.
The reaction of the S. African government is a disgrace. SA to go to 'war' - Stofile
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:52:49pm |
time to runz back to the telephone booth
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:53:23pm |
re: #323 Lucius Septimius
If it doesn't fit, force it; if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
Corporate American has taken the soul out of man...We still pretend to work on our cars...I haven't worked on a car since College...You have to have a degree from MIT just to understand a tuneup...The computer in my car controls everything..
We guys think we are such studs with our cars..Don't be fooled..I don't even change my oil..A computer tells my car to reset the mileage..
:)
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:54:43pm |
re: #337 Erik The Red
The reaction of the S. African government is a disgrace. SA to go to 'war' - Stofile
Plus she was tested 8 months ago by the S.African sports body. I wonder how the hell they missed the lack of womb and ovaries. This poor girl must be devastated.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:54:48pm |
re: #338 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy
time to runz back to the telephone booth
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:54:52pm |
re: #337 Erik The Red
The reaction of the S. African government is a disgrace. SA to go to 'war' - Stofile
Not just any war but a 3rd world war!
M'kay.
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:55:22pm |
re: #339 HoosierHoops
Corporate American has taken the soul out of man...We still pretend to work on our cars...I haven't worked on a car since College...You have to have a degree from MIT just to understand a tuneup...The computer in my car controls everything..
We guys think we are such studs with our cars..Don't be fooled..I don't even change my oil..A computer tells my car to reset the mileage..
:)
Actually I've done some work on my last two cars. Granted, both have been pieces of steaming shit, so I don't feel like I can make mistakes. Had to rewire my Tracker, which was a delight.
Oil changes I let someone else do. To hell with the mess.
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:08pm |
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albusteve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:09pm |
re: #339 HoosierHoops
Corporate American has taken the soul out of man...We still pretend to work on our cars...I haven't worked on a car since College...You have to have a degree from MIT just to understand a tuneup...The computer in my car controls everything..
We guys think we are such studs with our cars..Don't be fooled..I don't even change my oil..A computer tells my car to reset the mileage..
:)
you just need one of these...
[Link: search.creativecommons.org...]
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:21pm |
The anti-abortion websites are really going nuts about this double murder in Michigan.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:28pm |
Is austin_blue in here? Can some please tell him that he is wrong, and completely off-base. Thanks.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:33pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:56:40pm |
re: #202 Charles
They're coming in about one every ten minutes. The latest compares me to Dr. Strangelove's Gen. Ripper, says I ban anyone who disagrees, and predicts LGF is going to completely fail very soon.
Charles, so very sorry to hear this. This must be very trying for you. Why, for goodness' sake, do they feel entitled to hound you in this way, not to mention the threats, too. It's insane, it's wrong at every level.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:57:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:57:55pm |
I've gotten three emails already demanding that I cover the murder story -- they all seem to think this somehow excuses the murder of Dr. George Tiller.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:08pm |
re: #340 Erik The Red
Plus she was tested 8 months ago by the S.African sports body. I wonder how the hell they missed the lack of womb and ovaries. This poor girl must be devastated.
In an article I saw yesterday, her family said they are very - I think embarrassed was the word they used, I can't recall exactly. They said that when she was born, they saw a girl baby and raised her as a girl.
This is a very strange story, and you're right - she must be devastated.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:14pm |
re: #349 reine.de.tout
Charles, so very sorry to hear this. This must be very trying for you. Why, for goodness' sake, do they feel entitled to hound you in this way, not to mention the threats, too. It's insane, it's wrong at every level.
And it's the most un-Christian thing I can think of. Where's the forgiveness?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:25pm |
re: #346 Charles
The anti-abortion websites are really going nuts about this double murder in Michigan.
I can ... no, I don't want to imagine!
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:29pm |
re: #346 Charles
The anti-abortion websites are really going nuts about this double murder in Michigan.
They started early on and were calling for the president to comment. Seem like a rather odd event. The perp said he did it because he was "offended" by the signs.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:58:39pm |
re: #352 Charles
I've gotten three emails already demanding that I cover the murder story -- they all seem to think this somehow excuses the murder of Dr. George Tiller.
None of the murders are excusable. You can tell them to stick that in their pipe and smoke it.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:59:00pm |
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 4:59:13pm |
re: #346 Charles
The anti-abortion websites are really going nuts about this double murder in Michigan.
Nothing like some good Friday Evening Hypocrisy.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:00:19pm |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you're a hermaphrodite and you want to race... which side do you run for?
Oddest damn sports story I think I've ever seen.
You know - I think that is bullshit.
If she is a Hermie - so what?
Where is she supposed to compete?
Is she amped up on drugs? No. She was born configured so that she has higher levels of testosterone than other females? Does that make her a male?
No womb or ovaries? So if you get a hysterectomy are you banned too?
I don't understand this - she had no say in how she was born and how she was configured. If we are going to have separate divisions for men and women on the assumption that women can't compete with the men in these events, then where is she supposed to go?
She deserves our sympathy and support.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:00:35pm |
re: #353 solomonpanting
Was yochanan banned?
Huh?
No, he was in just a bit ago, and left for the evening, IIRC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:01:16pm |
re: #217 badger1970
Working at the middle school, the kids (probably between the ages of 3-6 when 9/11 occurred) ignored the books the librarian put out on the twin towers. If it not in the here and now, it's not interesting. The teachers weren't too concerned either, more worried about the stuttered video from bo's 9/8 speech.
As I think I posted earlier, our kids were allowed to be out of uniform if they wore 9/11, NYC or American-themed t-shirts. We had references to 9/11 in our usual morning prayer, and then had a moment of silence and more prayer later in the morning. Flags at half-mast outside. It was a nice day. I wasn't sure about the t-shirts, but it actually lent a nice touch.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:01:38pm |
re: #354 reine.de.tout
In an article I saw yesterday, her family said they are very - I think embarrassed was the word they used, I can't recall exactly. They said that when she was born, they saw a girl baby and raised her as a girl.
This is a very strange story, and you're right - she must be devastated.
Her family is very basic. She is a girl to them and to herself. I place all the blame on the sports body who did the test and did not preempt this whole thing. I just hope the IAAF handles this better than the S. African government did.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:01:52pm |
Things is, the guy in Michigan seems to have had a hit list of people he had a grudge against. There doesn't appear to have been an ideological motive for the murder of the anti-abortion activist -- he was just offended by the guy's signs. The other person he killed was someone he had a business dispute with.
In other words, it's a murder and yeah, it's terrible. But it's a very different kind of murder from the killing of Dr. Tiller, which was an act of domestic terrorism specifically intended to strike fear into all abortion doctors.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:01:53pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:02:58pm |
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
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Usually refered to as anyways Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:03:02pm |
re: #257 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will
fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in.
Calling the AA is not an option. I will win.
Hey Eric, heres my story...
A fortnight ago, I suggested service the cars.
Here what happened...
Girlfriends Oil Change:
1) Pull up to the car dealer.
2) Drink a cup of coffee
3) 25 minutes later, paid cash $46 and leave with a properly maintained vehicle. (She says)
Money spent:
Oil Change: $44.00
Coffee: $2.00
Total: $46.00
My Oil Change:
1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, pay via credit card $50.00.
2) Stop and buy a case of beer, pay via credit card $24, drive home.
3) Open a beer and drink it.
4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
5) Find jack stands under girlfriends packing boxes.
6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it.
7) Place drain pan under engine.
8) Look for 14mm ring spanner.
9) Give up and use shifting spanner.
10) Unscrew drain plug.
11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splashed hot oil on myself in process. Curse, wildly.
12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms. Throw the kitty litter on spilled oil.
13) Have another beer while watching oil drain.
14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter removal tool.
15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and twist off
16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer.
17) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface.
18) Dump first litre of fresh oil into engine.
19) Remember drain plug from step 11.
20) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
21) Drink beer.
22) Discover that first litre of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty litter on oil spill.
23) Get drain plug back in with only a minor spill. Drink beer.
24) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oily rag used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid shifting spanner tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on chassis removing any excess skin between knuckles and chassis.
25) Begin cursing fit.
26) Throw stupid shifting spanner.
27) Curse for additional 5 minutes because spanner hit neighbours window.
28) Beer.
29) Clean up hands and bandage as required to stop blood flow.
30) Beer.
31) Dump in five fresh litres of oil.
32) Beer.
33) Lower car from jack stands.
34) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during any missed steps.
35) Beer.
36) Test drive car.
37) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
38) Car gets impounded.
39) Call loving girlfreind, make bail.
40) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
Money spent:
Parts: $50.00
DUI: $1000.00
Impound fee: $75.00
Bail: $800.00
Beer: $24.00
Total: $1949.00
But at least the job was done right.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:03:12pm |
Trying to think of a comparison. That would be like someone shooting an "anti-hunting activist" not because he's a hunter that opposes the "anti-hunters" (and is off his rocker of course) but because he was offended by the PETA like images on the signs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:03:53pm |
re: #257 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will
fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in.
Calling the AA is not an option. I will win.
You know why the Jews finally made it to Canaan after forty years of wandering? Tziporah secretly asked for directions from some passing shepherds.
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:03:56pm |
re: #367 Charles
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
A bounce, or a flounce?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:03:56pm |
re: #366 cliffster
Last night, yes. And then extended a little mercy.
Uh oh.
I wasn't here for that.
Just saw him in here today.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:04:57pm |
re: #367 Charles
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
Are they still watching us? That's all they do. Copy and paste, copy and paste.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:05:11pm |
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:06:39pm |
Because I'm a man, I do not want to visit your mother, or have your mother come visit us, or talk to her when she calls, or think about her any more than I have to. Whatever you got her for Mother's Day is okay; I don't need to see it. And don't forget to pick up something for my mother, too.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:14pm |
re: #367 Charles
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
He'll do fine with the rest of the Let Go Flunkies 2.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:21pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:07:57pm |
re: #340 Erik The Red
Plus she was tested 8 months ago by the S.African sports body. I wonder how the hell they missed the lack of womb and ovaries. This poor girl must be devastated.
Not an easy situation for anyone. Poor kid.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:06pm |
re: #365 Charles
There doesn't appear to have been an ideological motive for the murder of the anti-abortion activist -- he was just offended by the guy's signs.
When I find protest sings offensive, it's generally because of ideology, not the color or the shape of the signs.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:12pm |
Dennis Albaugh's Chevy Collection - Ankeny, Iowa
What do all these cars have in common?
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:33pm |
re: #286 DEZes
Can girls be slobs?
Gotta think about that.
Don't know if it's true, but I read an article or heard a report that women's public restrooms are not as clean as men's. Kinda hard to believe.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:08:35pm |
re: #380 Wendya
When I find protest sings offensive, it's generally because of ideology, not the color or the shape of the signs.
The signs were pictures of aborted babies.
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Lucius Septimius Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:09:29pm |
re: #381 Racer X
Dennis Albaugh's Chevy Collection - Ankeny, Iowa
What do all these cars have in common?
Ummm. They all have chrome?
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:09:49pm |
re: #346 Charles
The anti-abortion websites are really going nuts about this double murder in Michigan.
Sure. They think it gives them permission to shoot doctors who perform abortions.
And I'll bet not a single one of them has anything to say about the murderer's other victim, or his third target who escaped injury.
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DEZes Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:07pm |
re: #381 Racer X
Dennis Albaugh's Chevy Collection - Ankeny, Iowa
What do all these cars have in common?
He has had sex in everyone?
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pat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:39pm |
Unbelievable horrors.
Raped and beaten for daring to question President Ahmadinejad’s election with a religious pass from Ayatollah Khamenei
[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:11:42pm |
OK only 3 more. :)))
Because I'm a man, you don't have to ask me if I liked the movie. Chances are, if you're crying at the end of it, I didn't ...and if you are feeling amorous afterwards...then I will certainly at least remember the name and recommend it to others.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:12:16pm |
re: #367 Charles
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
Wait, opnion went? I'm starting to feel like one of the guys in the war movies, where you don't get to know the new guy's name right away, because he'll probably get shot. Did he flounce, or get canned?
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:13:07pm |
Because I'm a man, I think what you're wearing is fine. I thought what you were wearing five minutes ago was fine, too. Either pair of shoes is fine. With the belt or without it,
looks fine. Your hair is fine. You look fine. Can we just go now?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:13:56pm |
re: #373 Gus 802
Are they still watching us? That's all they do. Copy and paste, copy and paste.
I've been reading over there. What's interesting, is that they complain that LGF is obsessed with THEM. Most of what they talk about, however, is how happy they are not to be at LGF, and what LGF is doing.
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Johnnyreb Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:14:05pm |
re: #385 SixDegrees
Sure. They think it gives them permission to shoot doctors who perform abortions.
And I'll bet not a single one of them has anything to say about the murderer's other victim, or his third target who escaped injury.
You honestly do not believe that right? The part about shooting doctors and all that.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:14:14pm |
People are now posting spinoff links applauding that asshole Joe Wilson.
Sigh.
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Cheechako Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:14:40pm |
re: #382 solomonpanting
Don't know if it's true, but I read an article or heard a report that women's public restrooms are not as clean as men's. Kinda hard to believe.
I worked a summer cleaning campground restrooms. The woman's were always dirtier than the men's.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:15:42pm |
re: #378 DEZes
Maybe I should call them slobettes. ;)
Only vaguely related, but I am teaching Greek mythology at the moment. One of the boys in my class cannot remember the words 'maenads', or 'bacchantes', but instead says "Dionysus' little drunk ladies". For some reason I find this endearing.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:15:50pm |
And the pièce de résistance
Because I'm a man, and this is, after all, the year 2009, I will share equally in the housework. You just do the laundry, the cooking, the cleaning, the vacuuming, and the dishes, and I'll do the rest... Like wandering around in the garden with a beer wondering what to do..
| 397 |
idioma Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:15:51pm |
In other news: Perv GOP chat is still all the rage [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Remember kids - Turn off your microphone before talking about "dripping" out of your mistress.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:15:58pm |
re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been reading over there. What's interesting, is that they complain that LGF is obsessed with THEM. Most of what they talk about, however, is how happy they are not to be at LGF, and what LGF is doing.
It's rather cornfusing. It does remind me to be more sympathetic towards people that work in the mental health profession -- must be very trying work.
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Cheechako Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:16:02pm |
re: #381 Racer X
Dennis Albaugh's Chevy Collection - Ankeny, Iowa
What do all these cars have in common?
They're all convertibles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:16:51pm |
re: #383 Charles
The signs were pictures of aborted babies.
So he just found the imagery unpleasant and shot this man because of it?
Major crazy.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:17:47pm |
re: #393 Charles
People are now posting spinoff links applauding that asshole Joe Wilson.
Sigh.
The really sad thing is he is raising money like crazy. His oponent is as well but it looks like the craziness is strong on the right and continues to get more ludicrous as the days go on.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:17:55pm |
re: #392 Johnnyreb
You honestly do not believe that right? The part about shooting doctors and all that.
I don't understand your question. The anti-abortion sites are openly saying that this shooting gives them license to shoot abortion doctors. Or that it somehow lessens their own responsibility for murders they've already committed. It's simply a statement of fact.
Personally, I think it's disgusting and hypocritical. Not surprising at all, coming from a bunch of pathological hypocrites.
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:03pm |
re: #394 Cheechako
I worked a summer cleaning campground restrooms. The woman's were always dirtier than the men's.
Hmmm. Some major rethinking may be in order.
;O
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:05pm |
re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been reading over there. What's interesting, is that they complain that LGF is obsessed with THEM. Most of what they talk about, however, is how happy they are not to be at LGF, and what LGF is doing.
Not only that -- they mimic my style of posting, including the photographs, and use a lot of the same catchphrases and terms.
And the whole blog started out as a place where that brain damaged freak Rodan (Rick Martinez) would copy every single LGF post and repost it there, adding insults at the end. It was absolutely blatant copyright violation and plagiarism.
| 406 |
Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:18:39pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
So he just found the imagery unpleasant and shot this man because of it?
Major crazy.
We don't know.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:35pm |
I don't get the whole "flounce" thing.
If you don't like reading the local news paper, do you write them a letter announcing this?
Do you harass the owners because they didn't report on the stories you liked?
Do you start a smaller paper with the sole intent of reporting on what's happening at the other paper?
Write letters to the new paper whining and bitching about the old paper?
How about making threats against the editor at the old paper?
It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.
Read a different paper for crissakes.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:36pm |
re: #390 Erik The Red
Because I'm a man, I think what you're wearing is fine. I thought what you were wearing five minutes ago was fine, too. Either pair of shoes is fine. With the belt or without it,
looks fine. Your hair is fine. You look fine. Can we just go now?
Ha..
Baby you look beautiful! Are those new shoes? You wearing that stuff I bought you from Victoria Secrets? (angel something..Which when you think about it .. That's really really ironic)
You start saying your hair is just fine...You are close to divorce proceedings...
*wink*
Love (and complements) cover a multitude of sins...
Thus sayeth the Hoopster
| 409 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:19:40pm |
Senate Armed Services Chairman: No More U.S. Troops to Afghanistan
The debate whether to send more combat troops to Afghanistan took a twist reminiscent of the Iraq conflict when the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday advised not sending any more U.S. combat troops to Afghanistan beyond those already approved by President Obama until more Afghan security forces are trained.
Speaking on the eighth anniversary of the date the United States was attacked by terrorists trained in Afghanistan, Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., also called for a shift in U.S. efforts toward more trainers, who could, in part, be supplied by NATO allies. He said he would like a plan for Afghanistan that would replicate the "Sons of Iraq" strategy to separate low and mid-level Taliban fighters in Afghanistan from the leadership of that terrorist group.
Sometime soon, Mr. Obama will have to respond to Lieutenant General Stanley McChrystal's likely request to increase the number of American troops in Afghanistan.
This past Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave the most explicit suggestion so far that Democrats may oppose any such request. "I don't think there is a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan," Speaker Pelosi said, "in the country or in Congress."
The rumblngs are that McChrystal is going to ask for more than 40,000 more troops.
/we're going to find out if Obama really has the balls to fight the "good war" he was so adamant about winning during the campaign
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:34pm |
re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been reading over there. What's interesting, is that they complain that LGF is obsessed with THEM. Most of what they talk about, however, is how happy they are not to be at LGF, and what LGF is doing.
My vote is all comments referring deuce get deleted.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:38pm |
Someone just emailed and asked why I haven't been posting anything about ACORN.
Answer: because I really just don't care. If you want a dose of outrage, there are plenty of blogs where you can score. Some of them even include clean needles.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:20:58pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:21:04pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
So he just found the imagery unpleasant and shot this man because of it?
Major crazy.
Unclear. CNN is now reporting that he took offense at their display immediately adjacent to a school.
The shooter had obviously decided to dive over the edge and settle scores with everyone on his "list." There's no apparent ideology driving the selection of his victims, other than them doing something that ticked him off in some unfathomable way.
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:21:06pm |
re: #405 taxfreekiller
OT
ms tfk has a bud who works for a congress critter in D.C. who just called and says she thinks that the Census Bureau has cut A.C.O.R.N. from the
2010 count team.any one seen a link or know of this??
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:22:07pm |
re: #407 Racer X
It's drama-queen B.S. Charles seems to think it's because these people have Daddy Issues, which is probable in a lot of cases: "Look at me -- I'm rebelling against you!!!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:22:47pm |
re: #407 Racer X
I don't get the whole "flounce" thing.
If you don't like reading the local news paper, do you write them a letter announcing this?
Do you harass the owners because they didn't report on the stories you liked?
Do you start a smaller paper with the sole intent of reporting on what's happening at the other paper?
Write letters to the new paper whining and bitching about the old paper?
How about making threats against the editor at the old paper?It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.
Read a different paper for crissakes.
Well, the San Francisco Chronicle often gets letters complaining that the paper is too liberal, and that they are cancelling their subscription because of this. People write to complain about the new format, and cancel because of that. Occasionally they are accused of being too conservative, and cancellation ensues.
And back when Jane Magazine was still publishing, Bitch Magazine would frequently mock their content, and complain about them. Jane has since gone out of print, alas.
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jorline Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:45pm |
Well my friends, I'm off to P&D five pounds of shrimp. I'm cooking for 20 people tomorrow night at the family ranch. The recipe is on page 69 of the "Royal Cuisine of Upper Lizardia" Volume I...buy a copy, you'll love it.
BBL
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:23:56pm |
re: #411 Charles
Someone just emailed and asked why I haven't been posting anything about ACORN.
Answer: because I really just don't care. If you want a dose of outrage, there are plenty of blogs where you can score. Some of them even include clean needles.
I'm with you on that one. I think most people saw ACORN as pretty corrupt anyway so this is nothing new to anyone who has done the slightest bit of homework. I'm glad the census dropped them but all the shrill caterwalling from the likes of Beck is getting tired.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:24:22pm |
All my favorite magazines fold. Mode folded. And Jane. Why?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:24:22pm |
re: #409 Killian Bundy
more trainers, who could, in part, be supplied by NATO allies
Oh goody, more Bundeswehr!
/Sorry, Callahan
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:10pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:21pm |
re: #406 Wendya
The guy's signs were pretty gross, lots of mutilated and headless fetuses. I was pretty offensive stuff. I used to have to walk past animal rights activists everyday that would set up near my job with pictures of tortured and mutilated cats, dogs monkeys, etc. I hated those people with a passion.
The guy was notorious in the area for his outlandish and offensive signs. He didn't deserve to die for it but it's easy to see how he was hated by people in the area. He was unlucky that one of the people that was disgusted with his signs decided to snap and go on a killing spree.
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Cheechako Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:32pm |
re: #419 SanFranciscoZionist
All my favorite magazines fold. Mode folded. And Jane. Why?
/Stop reading them in the library...buy your own copy.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:25:36pm |
re: #418 Jetpilot1101
I'm with you on that one. I think most people saw ACORN as pretty corrupt anyway so this is nothing new to anyone who has done the slightest bit of homework. I'm glad the census dropped them but all the shrill caterwalling from the likes of Beck is getting tired.
Note that the Census Bureau did not drop them because of any wrongdoing -- they specifically dropped ACORN because of the political brouhaha drummed up by Beck.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:26:16pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, the San Francisco Chronicle often gets letters complaining that the paper is too liberal, and that they are cancelling their subscription because of this. People write to complain about the new format, and cancel because of that. Occasionally they are accused of being too conservative, and cancellation ensues.
And back when Jane Magazine was still publishing, Bitch Magazine would frequently mock their content, and complain about them. Jane has since gone out of print, alas.
Same as the Washington Post and the New York Times. Both used to be called conservative papers at one time and the Washington Post is still called conservative. Depends on where people stand obviously.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:27:33pm |
re: #393 Charles
People are now posting spinoff links applauding that asshole Joe Wilson.
Sigh.
Never mind that racist groups are applauding him. Who would want to join that crowd?
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:28:17pm |
re: #425 Charles
Note that the Census Bureau did not drop them because of any wrongdoing -- they specifically dropped ACORN because of the political brouhaha drummed up by Beck.
Good point Charles.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:30:34pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, the San Francisco Chronicle often gets letters complaining that the paper is too liberal, and that they are cancelling their subscription because of this. People write to complain about the new format, and cancel because of that. Occasionally they are accused of being too conservative, and cancellation ensues.
And back when Jane Magazine was still publishing, Bitch Magazine would frequently mock their content, and complain about them. Jane has since gone out of print, alas.
I grew up reading the SF Chronicle..A Saturday morning reading the sporting green eating breakfast was a tradition..
I Read the SF Gate every day on-line...
The letters to the editor have always been a classic...If they can't get your blood pressure through the roof and jacked up...Good chance you are dead..I mean the LA Times isn't even close...Remember when Sister Boom Boom was running for mayor? You can't buy that insanity in the local papers...LOL
*wink*
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:33:17pm |
re: #424 Cheechako
/Stop reading them in the library...buy your own copy.
I had SUBSCRIPTIONS! Waaah!!
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mikalm Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:34:19pm |
re: #429 HoosierHoops
The letters to the editor have always been a classic...If they can't get your blood pressure through the roof and jacked up...Good chance you are dead
I've always maintained that's the reason SFGate maintains Mark Morford, an illiterate freak whose scribblings are guaranteed to induce projectile vomiting in any sane sentient being, as a columnist. Outrageousness = clicks = ad revenue.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:36:51pm |
As a federal lawmaker, Wilson became a member of the House Immigration Reform Caucus (HIRC), a group of (mostly Republican) representatives founded by former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) with the mission of stopping “the explosive growth in illegal immigration,” “reversing the growth in legal immigration,” and halting “amnesties.” Other notoriously anti-immigrant members of HIRC include Steve King (R-IA), who described immigration as a “slow-motion Holocaust,” and Lamar Smith (R-TX), who equates undocumented immigrants with “terrorist weapons.” HIRC members Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), and King all proclaimed that undocumented immigrants would receive health care benefits long before Wilson’s outburst. The two Republican representatives, Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) and Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV), who proposed amendments to the House health care bill that would’ve added stringent citizenship verification mechanisms are active members of the HIRC as well. Heller and Deal also lead the fight to overturn the 14th Amendment and end the policy of automatically granting anyone who is born in the country US citizenship.
Nice bunch!
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KingKenrod Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:37:29pm |
re: #425 Charles
They also specifically cited poor management.
"Over the last several months, through ongoing communication with our regional offices, it is clear that ACORN's affiliation with the 2010 Census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 Census efforts," read a letter from Census Director Robert M. Groves to the president of ACORN.
"Unfortunately, we no longer have confidence that our national partnership agreement is being effectively managed through your many local offices. For the reasons stated, we therefore have decided to terminate the partnership," the letter said.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:37:30pm |
In the days of my youth
I was told what it was to be a man,
Now I've reached the age
I've tried to do all those things the best I can.
No matter how I try,
I find my way to do the same old jam.good times, bad times,
Chose your friends well...
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:38:18pm |
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Gella Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:38:58pm |
TGIF lizards :) how are u?
i am great.
watching stupid 300 wishing for IMAX screen at home
cheer :) whiskey does ur body good :)))
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:39:06pm |
re: #433 Sharmuta
Nice bunch!
Oh boy.
OK, I'm not endorsing illegal immigration here by any means but does the GOP realize the impact this will have on the Hispanic vote?
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:40:05pm |
re: #401 Jetpilot1101
The really sad thing is he is raising money like crazy. His oponent is as well but it looks like the craziness is strong on the right and continues to get more ludicrous as the days go on.
It's really not that surprising. Since the Bush years when the left completely lost their minds, politics have become exceptionally divisive. You had Stark on the floor of the house saying Bush was sending soldiers to Iraq to have their heads blown off for his personal amusement . You had Pelosi and Reid both calling Bush a liar. And seriously, I don't give a shit where they said it. At least Wilson said it in Obama's presence instead of shreiking at him and running to the media to call him a liar behind his back. If that is the way the left wants to play the game, they can hardly complain when the right starts parroting their behavior.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:40:07pm |
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:42:20pm |
re: #425 Charles
Note that the Census Bureau did not drop them because of any wrongdoing -- they specifically dropped ACORN because of the political brouhaha drummed up by Beck.
Are you sad to see them go? The reason I ask is your earlier characterization of ACORN as "one of the most virulent anti-capitalist far-left groups operating in the United States" and its ties to Obama suggests you don't hold them in very high regard, to put it mildly.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:42:36pm |
re: #433 Sharmuta
If the lefties weren't so stupid they could really ruin Wilson but they've overplayed the racism angle too many times.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:44:13pm |
re: #441 solomonpanting
Are you sad to see them go? The reason I ask is your earlier characterization of ACORN as "one of the most virulent anti-capitalist far-left groups operating in the United States" and its ties to Obama suggests you don't hold them in very high regard, to put it mildly.
Nope, not sorry to see them go. I just can't work up the requisite outrage.
And the quote you pulled is from right in the middle of a heated presidental election, by the way.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:44:33pm |
re: #441 solomonpanting
I see it as a sign of how unimportant and insignificant ACORN is. They aren't necessary or even needed for anything. They simply don't matter and it makes no difference. They have no influence over anything.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:45:23pm |
re: #442 Killgore Trout
If the lefties weren't so stupid they could really ruin Wilson but they've overplayed the racism angle too many times.
The Blumenthal story has been picked up quite a bit.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:45:25pm |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
I see it as a sign of how unimportant and insignificant ACORN is. They aren't necessary or even needed for anything. They simply don't matter and it makes no difference. They have no influence over anything.
Agreed.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:45:44pm |
re: #439 Wendya
I always had more faith that the conservatives in this country would take the high road and voice their opposition with thoughtful arguments, reason and facts. Unfortunately, the likes of Wilson and Beck have taken over the conservative voice in this country and those of us who hunger for honest debate free of fear mongering are left out int he cold. I was appalled at what the left did to President Bush and I am just as appalled at what the right is doing to President Obama. Like it or not he is the president and he deserves our respect, maybe not personally but definitely positionally.
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Big Steve Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:46:07pm |
I wrote to my congressman Ron Paul over a month ago asking if he would be having any town halls over Health insurance reform. Finally today I got a reply;
Thank you for contacting the office of Congressman Ron Paul and for your interest in what the Congressman is doing to communicate his views regarding health care to his constituents, and to give his constituents the ability to communicate the views on this important topic to Congressman Paul.While Congressman Paul did not hold any formal town hall meetings during the August district work period, he did have numerous constituent meeting and attended several public functions at which health care was discussed. These meetings gave Congressman Paul an opportunity to hear the concerns the people of the 14th district have with the President's health care plan.
As you may know, Congressman Paul has written as series of columns outlining his concerns with President Obama's health care proposals. These columns have received nationwide distribution. Congressman Paul has also made a number of media appearances to explain his views on health care, including several appearances where he debated supporters of the health care bill.
You can be sure that Congressman Paul will continue to oppose nationalized healthcare. Congressman Paul will also work to advance health freedom by promoting legislation like his Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act (HR 1495), which puts individuals in charge of their health care by providing them with health care tax credits and deductions. Congressman Paul has also introduced the Protect Patients and Physicians Privacy Act (HR 2630), which ensures that government bureaucrats cannot see your medical records without your consent.
Thank you again for writing. Please feel free to do so in the future with any other questions, comments or suggestions.
Please note that none of the constituent meetings were noted on his website.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:46:12pm |
re: #431 mikalm
I've always maintained that's the reason SFGate maintains Mark Morford, an illiterate freak whose scribblings are guaranteed to induce projectile vomiting in any sane sentient being, as a columnist. Outrageousness = clicks = ad revenue.
I read Mark once..Not my cup of coffee. At one time the sporting green was the greatest sporting section in all America..The best writers...
I used to email every single day to CW Nevius ..And he'd write back every day!
Those were the days...
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:46:21pm |
re: #443 Charles
Nope, not sorry to see them go. I just can't work up the requisite outrage.
And the quote you pulled is from right in the middle of a heated presidental election, by the way.
Just goes to show how people can change their minds. There were several of us who were cheerleading for McCain to win it. I still wish he would have won, but I am not much of a McCain fan any longer.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:46:26pm |
re: #433 Sharmuta
Nice bunch!
Personally, I have no problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship for non citizens.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:47:08pm |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
I see it as a sign of how unimportant and insignificant ACORN is. They aren't necessary or even needed for anything. They simply don't matter and it makes no difference. They have no influence over anything.
There are a dozen other groups that can fill their shoes tomorrow.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:48:29pm |
Just heard the sonic boom from the Shuttle.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:48:46pm |
Boom Boom!
Shuttle should be at Edwards now!
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:48:49pm |
Just heard the sonic booms from the Space Shuttle landing in CA.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:49:02pm |
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solomonpanting Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:49:06pm |
re: #443 Charles
Nope, not sorry to see them go. I just can't work up the requisite outrage.
And the quote you pulled is from right in the middle of a heated presidental election, by the way.
I'm not outraged, either.
Does the fact that when the quote was pulled diminish its impact?
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:50:03pm |
re: #438 Gus 802 I won't defend Wilson, but Think Progress is not a neutral, unbiased source.
From the link:
..though not enough have bothered to highlight the inherent fallacy of his accusations. Undocumented immigrants are in fact explicitly barred from receiving any health care benefits under both the House and Senate bills ...
Except there is no enforcement mechanism and the President has stated that there is no need for patients to provide documentation of citizenship. Prohibition without enforcement means nothing.
This is the sort of thing that is so infuriating to opponents of these proposals.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:50:11pm |
re: #455 Lee Coller
Just heard the sonic booms from the Space Shuttle landing in CA.
Being 24 floors up the whole building shakes.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:50:23pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:51:19pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:51:51pm |
re: #451 Wendya
Personally, I have no problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship for non citizens.
I would. That way lies Germany and generations of hereditary 'guest workers'.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:52:14pm |
re: #16 Desert Dog
Just say NO to nuclear weapons
Obama sets stage for using budget maneuver to pass health reform
Bipartisan? Me thinks not
So the democrats need to cheat to push it through. figures.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:53:02pm |
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:53:09pm |
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:54:44pm |
Safe landing for the shuttle. Welcome home.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:55:08pm |
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:55:41pm |
re: #466 FrogMarch
So the democrats need to cheat to push it through. figures.
According to the rules, the only way they could use reconciliation is if the healthcare bill was somehow part of a budget bill.
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pat Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:56:29pm |
Pakistan: We Have Met The Enemy And It Is Us
This all began three years ago, when the Taliban communications director, Abdul Haq, was captured in Afghanistan. This led to some embarrassing revelations. Haq, who has held his job for about 14 months when he was caught, admitted that the recent increase in Taliban activity was facilitated by Pakistani intelligence (the CIA-like ISI)
Of course this is old news in most respects. What is disturbing and very scary to the Pakistanis is that Generals and rank officers in the ISI appear to have been actually planning attacks on Pakistani citizens, soldiers and politicians.
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:57:26pm |
re: #433 Sharmuta
Think progress? ugh - gross. Very left wing.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:57:48pm |
re: #473 lincolntf
The shuttle is down safe. Who cares where you post?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:58:19pm |
That flounce took a really long time. Bye now, idiot.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:58:53pm |
re: #367 Charles
Looks like 'opnion' is now at the stalker blog too. Good riddance!
Wow. And eschew. And just now lincolntf.
I'd say I'm not sorry, but I'm probably part of the problem.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 5:59:47pm |
re: #447 Jetpilot1101
I always had more faith that the conservatives in this country would take the high road and voice their opposition with thoughtful arguments, reason and facts.
I used to have faith that the media would actually report all sides of an issue as well... definitely a case of misplaced faith, wouldn't you agree? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as usual.
Now, I'd rather the media had reported that the republicans have offered over 800 amendments to the democrats health care legislation, every single one of which was shot down or it would be nice if they reported that the republicans do have their own health care proposals, most of which do not involve 1000 page bills that intrude on every aspect from your employer to your doctor and that they had requested a meeting with Obama but had been told their input wasn't needed...but I guess they were just too damned busy covering Obama's dog, or Michelle's newest dress.
It is apparent the high road isn't working. Instead of being lauded for not showing their asses 24/7 like the left did for the 8 previous years, they right is accused of doing nothing by trying to work within the system. It wasn't until the highly disparaged tax protests and health care town halls that anyone even realized there was opposition to Obama and the democrats.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:01:10pm |
re: #475 Jetpilot1101
According to the rules, the only way they could use reconciliation is if the healthcare bill was somehow part of a budget bill.
It's a loophole that tells moderate "blue dog" Dems and Republicans that they are out. Hope and change.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:01:16pm |
re: #487 Cheechako
Got it!!
I always thought the way the vehicles faced the shuttle looked kind of funny. Almost looks like a police standoff. /
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:01:40pm |
I'd give my left nut to ride into space and come back down on a space shuttle.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:01:55pm |
re: #489 Sharmuta
So fucking what? Facts are facts.
So you assume all of those claims are facts?
Context is everything.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:02:31pm |
re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist
I would. That way lies Germany and generations of hereditary 'guest workers'.
We have a path to citizenship. We limit immigration deliberately by law as does every other country in the world. The idea that you can sneak in illegally, give birth and your kiddie is an instant citizen is absurd.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:02:40pm |
Anyone want to diagnose the psychological problems that might lead someone to work so long on their dramatic flounce-off comment, even when they know it's only going to vanish into the bit bucket?
It's a source of constant amusement, but I almost feel guilty for being amused, because it's so freaking deranged.
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Bloodnok Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:02:46pm |
re: #482 Sharmuta
Good riddance to you. Seriously.
This boat suddenly feels lighter and more navigable.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:03:04pm |
re: #493 FrogMarch
So you assume all of those claims are facts?
Context is everything.
So you assume they're all wrong because of an ideological difference?
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Cheechako Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:04:18pm |
I'm innocent!! Starting with my last post every post is a double. Damm! I didn't do anything...I'm innocent!!
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jaunte Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:04:18pm |
re: #495 Charles
Still working on the one who wanted you to wrap up all his past comments in a bow and forward them to his new address.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:05:00pm |
re: #498 Cheechako
I'm innocent!! Starting with my last post every post is a double. Damm! I didn't do anything...I'm innocent!!
I've seen that too, just reload (unless you like seeing double).
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:05:30pm |
re: #494 Wendya
We have a path to citizenship. We limit immigration deliberately by law as does every other country in the world. The idea that you can sneak in illegally, give birth and your kiddie is an instant citizen is absurd.
I disagree, I think the concept is too valuable to lose.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:05:33pm |
re: #489 Sharmuta
So fucking what? Facts are facts.
The credibility of any particular site has generally been of pretty great importance around here. Truther sites, far left wing sites and far right wing sites generally haven't been deemed credible. Has that changed?
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:05:54pm |
re: #497 Sharmuta
So you assume they're all wrong because of an ideological difference?
I find that many left-wing sites are just hatchet right-wing witch hunt repositories. I'd need more information to understand if every claim they make is true or false. On the surface, just glancing at the site (and I have before) the site seems a bit over the top. An yes - I have an ideological bent myself.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:05:57pm |
re: #498 Cheechako
I'm innocent!! Starting with my last post every post is a double. Damm! I didn't do anything...I'm innocent!!
It's only in your browser. Sometimes Firefox gets wacky if you have the Auto checkbox on.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:06:44pm |
re: #504 Charles
It's only in your browser. Sometimes Firefox gets wacky if you have the Auto checkbox on.
Not just Firefox. I have IE and it sometimes does it too.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:06:59pm |
re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist
I disagree, I think the concept is too valuable to lose.
The concept that you can enter this country illegally just before your labor pains begin and give birth to an American citizen? That is not valuable to anyone but an illegal alien.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:07:11pm |
re: #497 Sharmuta
So you assume they're all wrong because of an ideological difference?
No, but I wouldn't assume that everything I read on Free Republic was the absolute and complete truth either.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:07:23pm |
re: #496 Bloodnok
This boat suddenly feels lighter and more navigable.
He had major negative karma for quite awhile for his anti-evolution comments, but I'm sure he won't ever bother to recall he was allowed to disagree and keep his account for months afterwards.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:04pm |
re: #507 Wendya
The concept that you can enter this country illegally just before your labor pains begin and give birth to an American citizen? That is not valuable to anyone but an illegal alien.
No, the concept that a child born on American soil is an American.
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Racer X Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:08:51pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:09:21pm |
re: #503 FrogMarch
If you want to dispute it- great. Fact check it and get back to me.
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Cheechako Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:08pm |
Phew...thought I injured a hamster! Refreshed and back to normal.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:10pm |
re: #502 Wendya
The credibility of any particular site has generally been of pretty great importance around here. Truther sites, far left wing sites and far right wing sites generally haven't been deemed credible. Has that changed?
Think Progress is a left wing site, true. But I've never seen them lie about facts that can be easily checked.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:10:24pm |
re: #507 Wendya
The concept that you can enter this country illegally just before your labor pains begin and give birth to an American citizen? That is not valuable to anyone but an illegal alien.
I have this image of millions of pregnant Mexican, Salvadoran, and Canadian women waiting on the border, ready to dash across as their labor pains begin.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:01pm |
re: #509 Sharmuta
He had major negative karma for quite awhile for his anti-evolution comments, but I'm sure he won't ever bother to recall he was allowed to disagree and keep his account for months afterwards.
So if one disagrees we should lose our accounts?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:42pm |
re: #514 Charles
The paragraph I quoted had links to reference everything, including one from the ADL.
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Bloodnok Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:46pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:11:51pm |
re: #515 Jim in Virginia
I have this image of millions of pregnant Mexican, Salvadoran, and Canadian women waiting on the border, ready to dash across as their labor pains begin.
"Ready...get set..RUN AND PUSH! RUN AND PUSH!"
OK, this is not actually funny. But it is an image...
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:12:53pm |
re: #488 Wendya
I used to have faith that the media would actually report all sides of an issue as well... definitely a case of misplaced faith, wouldn't you agree? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as usual.
Now, I'd rather the media had reported that the republicans have offered over 800 amendments to the democrats health care legislation, every single one of which was shot down or it would be nice if they reported that the republicans do have their own health care proposals, most of which do not involve 1000 page bills that intrude on every aspect from your employer to your doctor and that they had requested a meeting with Obama but had been told their input wasn't needed...but I guess they were just too damned busy covering Obama's dog, or Michelle's newest dress.
It is apparent the high road isn't working. Instead of being lauded for not showing their asses 24/7 like the left did for the 8 previous years, they right is accused of doing nothing by trying to work within the system. It wasn't until the highly disparaged tax protests and health care town halls that anyone even realized there was opposition to Obama and the democrats.
If someone didn't realize that there was opposition until the tax day protests and tea parties, then they needed to pull their head out of the sand. Any person with an internet connection, a few hours, and a desire for the truth could very easily come to a logical conclusion. Conservative politicians can make their voices know but unfortunately, all too many of them have taken up with the likes of Beck or the birther movement and have been marinalized by the left. Yes, the one sided media is a huge problem but it can be overcome with sane rational arguments through different outlets. What is really killing the conservatives is that many of those outlets have been coopted by folks like Beck who use them simply as a way to oppose in every way but never offer constructive ideas. I long for the day when a hard hitting conservative jouralist/investigative reporter has access to what Beck has access to.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:13:38pm |
re: #516 Erik The Red
Oh, FFS. No- that's the talking point of all these LGF haters- that dissent isn't allowed here. It's a lie obviously- which is why I said that. No one will remember lincolnft dissented and kept his account until he decided to leave.
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Erik The Red Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:14:38pm |
Later Lizards. I am up in 5 hours to watch a game of rugby. Springboks vs The All Blacks. Winner wins the Tri-Nations. Stay Scaly.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:23:12pm |
re: #516 Erik The Red
So if one disagrees we should lose our accounts?
No. People lose their accounts for behaving like assholes. And not just once, but acting that way over and over again.
Play them off, keyboard cat!
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:23:17pm |
re: #516 Erik The Red
So if one disagrees we should lose our accounts?
If you're going to flounce too, don't keep us in suspense. Just do it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:24:08pm |
Looks like we have another flouncer in the wings too.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:28:10pm |
re: #520 Jetpilot1101
If someone didn't realize that there was opposition until the tax day protests and tea parties, then they needed to pull their head out of the sand. Any person with an internet connection, a few hours, and a desire for the truth could very easily come to a logical conclusion.
How many people really spend hours a day on the internet getting their news? And where are they getting it? Are they searching out stories or are they going to the same organizations that deliver their news on TV?
Conservative politicians can make their voices know but unfortunately, all too many of them have taken up with the likes of Beck or the birther movement and have been marinalized by the left.
Now, that's what I mean by people who get their news from one type of source. If you only get stories about Beck and the birthers, you're trolling for crap and it's being delivered to you in large amounts. Gee, you'd think the only thing the republicans have done in the last 8 months is hang on Beck's every word and scream about birth certificates. That is bullshit.
Yes, the one sided media is a huge problem but it can be overcome with sane rational arguments through different outlets. What is really killing the conservatives is that many of those outlets have been coopted by folks like Beck who use them simply as a way to oppose in every way but never offer constructive ideas. I long for the day when a hard hitting conservative jouralist/investigative reporter has access to what Beck has access to.
And who would air their views? CNN? ABC? CBS? NBC? PBS? BBC?
It takes a tremendous amount of money to start your own cable channel. It takes years before it's picked up in enough markets to enable wide spread coverage. It is a for profit business, first and foremost. We have been lucky that Fox news has any conservative coverage at all and it ain't all Glenn Beck and Hannity, by the way. Their actual news coverage is not "right wing" or "left wing" editorializing. It's the best choice out of an incredibly partisan and shitty field.
You make it sound like all the R's need to do is put on the Mr Smith hats and the media will treat them with respect and cover their plans/comments/ etc... That is not true. Today's media is the most hostile environment for conservatives since I was born 46 years ago.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:31:05pm |
re: #446 Charles
So ACORN wasn't involved in the events that led to the housing crisis last year? I thought they demonstrated outside of banks crying racism and discrimination regarding loans? Banks succumbed to the pressure and gave loans to people that couldn't afford them. And what about the voter registration fraud in several states? Am I missing something
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:33:25pm |
re: #530 DailyCOS
So ACORN wasn't involved in the events that led to the housing crisis last year? I thought they demonstrated outside of banks crying racism and discrimination regarding loans? Banks succumbed to the pressure and gave loans to people that couldn't afford them. And what about the voter registration fraud in several states? Am I missing something
Do you seriously believe that ACORN was a major cause of the mortgage market collapse?
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:34:25pm |
re: #530 DailyCOS
So ACORN wasn't involved in the events that led to the housing crisis last year? I thought they demonstrated outside of banks crying racism and discrimination regarding loans? Banks succumbed to the pressure and gave loans to people that couldn't afford them. And what about the voter registration fraud in several states? Am I missing something
I don't like ACORN, but this is getting ridiculous. The banks were forced to give the loans because congress passed a law that said they had to. So if you want to blame anyone, blame congress. You should really blame the banks too, I never heard them complain too loudly about the law as long as housing prices were going up.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:35:49pm |
Maybe we should just blame ACORN for global warming too.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:38:13pm |
re: #534 Lee Coller
I'd need to see some peer reviewed journal articles first.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:38:19pm |
re: #532 Charles
Do you seriously believe that ACORN was a major cause of the mortgage market collapse?
A wingnut talking point is that the mortgage market collapse was all about giving mortgages to shiftless brown people who defaulted. Hence it's the fault of organisations that helped minorities get mortgages or provided legal assistance to them.
An astonishingly high number of people seem to believe this. Not quite sure what the ACORN connection is supposed to be, exactly...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:39:15pm |
re: #531 iceweasel
I'm keeping keyboard cat bookmarked.
It's been a busy week for him already, but he looks like he's eager to play some more for us :)
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:39:16pm |
No word here or on the MSM about the domestic terrorist that gunned down the Pro-Life demonstrator outside a school today.
Someone getting even for the murder of the abortion doctor? Wonder where the investigation is leading to?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:39:52pm |
re: #495 Charles
Anyone want to diagnose the psychological problems that might lead someone to work so long on their dramatic flounce-off comment, even when they know it's only going to vanish into the bit bucket?
It's a source of constant amusement, but I almost feel guilty for being amused, because it's so freaking deranged.
Some kind of Oedipal complex.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:39:54pm |
Mmkay. Let's just move on to the next far right talking point of the day!
Wheee!
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:42:14pm |
re: #536 iceweasel
A wingnut talking point is that the mortgage market collapse was all about giving mortgages to shiftless brown people who defaulted.
Nice race baiting.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:42:54pm |
re: #538 DailyCOS
No word here or on the MSM about the domestic terrorist that gunned down the Pro-Life demonstrator outside a school today.
Someone getting even for the murder of the abortion doctor? Wonder where the investigation is leading to?
No, it wasn't domestic terrorism, it was a random loon with a list of people to kill. He killed at least one other person first. And the MSM is covering it just like they do the everyday semi-spree shooting. Which is to say, a little.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:44:37pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:44:51pm |
re: #541 Wendya
Nice race baiting.
I get it. In the brave new world of Wingnuttia it's the people who point out racism who are the real racists, just like it's the people who refuse to join in on todays faux-outrage that are the real group-thinkers, right?
Have a nice day at MiniTru.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:46:55pm |
The anti-choice crowd is desperate right now to paint the murders as "revenge" for the murder of Dr. Tiller, and they're not going to let little things like reality stand in the way.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:50:02pm |
re: #545 iceweasel
I get it. In the brave new world of Wingnuttia it's the people who point out racism who are the real racists, just like it's the people who refuse to join in on todays faux-outrage that are the real group-thinkers, right?
Have a nice day at MiniTru.
You were race baiting. The meme you were parroting is a leftist talking point.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:51:32pm |
re: #533 Lee Coller
So which group pressured congress to pass the idiotic law? Can you tell us how it went down then? This "wingnut" would like to know. Afterall, we taxpayers bailed them out. Didn't we?
Lee, I hate to say it but you're sounding like Obama. Trillion dollar deficits, unemployment at all-time high levels since the early eighties, no economic growth and he's out there telling us that "there is nothing to see here", in fact, "we saved the economy".
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:52:17pm |
re: #547 Wendya
You were race baiting. The meme you were parroting is a leftist talking point.
Also happens to be true - or at least a true point of debate. I was visiting another board the other day with a raging debate between realtors and other folks in the biz about this exact thing. Several realtors were saying they saw it daily. Others were denying it ever happened at all. -
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:53:05pm |
re: #547 Wendya
You were race baiting. The meme you were parroting is a leftist talking point.
Uh, no. Trust me, I could provide a string of links to people in the rightwing blogosphere saying exactly that, and I choose not to link that crap here, or to embarrass you that badly.
You're doing a good job for MiniTru, though. "People on the right never said that! Even though someone in this thread said exactly that! It's a leftist talking point that people on the right say that!"
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:54:07pm |
re: #549 Coracle
Also happens to be true - or at least a true point of debate. I was visiting another board the other day with a raging debate between realtors and other folks in the biz about this exact thing. Several realtors were saying they saw it daily. Others were denying it ever happened at all. -
No, it is not true.
The majority of low income people in this country are white. It has always been a leftist race baiting tactic to claim everyone to the right of mao blames people of color for every calamity in the universe. It's getting old and tired.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:54:24pm |
re: #489 Sharmuta
So fucking what? Facts are facts.
Now I can't get the image of Smurfette poking someone in the chest and saying that line.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:54:52pm |
re: #550 iceweasel
Uh, no. Trust me, I could provide a string of links to people in the rightwing blogosphere saying exactly that, and I choose not to link that crap here, or to embarrass you that badly.
You're doing a good job for MiniTru, though. "People on the right never said that! Even though someone in this thread said exactly that! It's a leftist talking point that people on the right say that!"
You were busted for race baiting so your response is to attack me. Real slick.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:55:40pm |
re: #552 Locker
Now I can't get the image of Smurfette poking someone in the chest and saying that line.
I've been hangin' with Hefty Smurf too much. ;)
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:55:43pm |
re: #551 Wendya
No, it is not true.
The majority of low income people in this country are white. It has always been a leftist race baiting tactic to claim everyone to the right of mao blames people of color for every calamity in the universe. It's getting old and tired.
Ah, but that's not the contention I was defending. It most certainly is a right wing (perhaps an extremist right wing) talking point that specifically minority loans and defaults are a major cause of the mortgage crisis.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:57:25pm |
re: #495 Charles
Anyone want to diagnose the psychological problems that might lead someone to work so long on their dramatic flounce-off comment, even when they know it's only going to vanish into the bit bucket?
It's a source of constant amusement, but I almost feel guilty for being amused, because it's so freaking deranged.
I think they believe at least you'll read it before you nuke it even though I'm guessing you can tell rather quickly what kind of post it is and just hit "delete". They are so anxious for you to see how badly you've hurt them that they'll convince themselves you'll read it and it will have an impact on you.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:58:15pm |
re: #546 Charles
I don't know, abortion clinic attacks and murders usually are lead stories with all kinds of hysterical reporting. Pro-life demonstrator murder... not so much. Anybody have links on the investigation? Been a bit busy today to follow the late news.
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Coracle Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:58:45pm |
re: #551 Wendya
It has always been a leftist race baiting tactic to claim everyone to the right of mao blames people of color for every calamity in the universe.
Also, don't you think that's a little hyperbolic? "everyone to the right of Mao" would include, well, me. And "every calamity in the universe" well...
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 6:59:08pm |
re: #557 DailyCOS
I don't know, abortion clinic attacks and murders usually are lead stories with all kinds of hysterical reporting. Pro-life demonstrator murder... not so much. Anybody have links on the investigation? Been a bit busy today to follow the late news.
So you don't know the facts, but you're still screaming about it being "revenge" for the murder of Dr. Tiller?
You people really have no shame at all, do you?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:00:29pm |
re: #553 Wendya
You were busted for race baiting so your response is to attack me. Real slick.
No, Wendya. You were busted for pulling the standard wingnut inversion of reality: "It's the people who point out racism who are the real racists."
If you bothered to do your own research you'd see that it was and is a standard claim on the crazy right. If you put it together with a point you yourself just made -- that the majority of lowincome people are actually white -- you'd see that the talking point that it was only minorites defaulting on mortgages which led to the mortgage meltdown has to be false.
But your tired need to reflexively attack everything and everyone you perceive as 'leftist' is clouding your judgement here.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:01:16pm |
re: #560 Charles
I also love how were supposed to spoon feed them on something they're supposedly interested in learning about.
It's called google- look it up yourself, COS.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:01:34pm |
re: #502 Wendya
The credibility of any particular site has generally been of pretty great importance around here. Truther sites, far left wing sites and far right wing sites generally haven't been deemed credible. Has that changed?
I read think progress fairly regularly and they seem ok. Yes they care about progressive issues and aren't ashamed of it but they don't seem nuts to me or anything.
I guess my only "negative" observation about them is the same thing that bothers me about most political sites.. they over blow small issues in order to have more content/ammunitino to make the other side look bad. That always bugs the crap out of me.
As Charles would say... 'fake outrage".
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:02:04pm |
re: #517 Sharmuta
The paragraph I quoted had links to reference everything, including one from the ADL.
Back. Anyway, I just read what you posted and it read like a Wiki article. Nothing out of the ordinary and we've discussed Tom Tancredo at LGF before: his views on intelligent design, vaccinations, and:
Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan’s “The American Cause” and Tom Tancredo’s Team America PAC, and founder of “Youth for Western Civilization,” is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.
The TP post has references including one to an official legislative site. The record should all be there so it's not exactly biased since the records speak for themselves.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:02:41pm |
re: #551 Wendya
The majority of low income people in this country are white.
You have a link for that?
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:03:22pm |
re: #516 Erik The Red
So if one disagrees we should lose our accounts?
I think what she was saying is he'll scream he was kicked out for not agreeing with Charles. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:06:23pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
You have a link for that?
Here's something for 2000.
[Link: www.bsos.umd.edu...]
Looked like a downward trend with Latinos and African Americans being the highest in poverty at around 21%.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:06:27pm |
re: #558 Coracle
Also, don't you think that's a little hyperbolic? "everyone to the right of Mao" would include, well, me. And "every calamity in the universe" well...
Yep. Another example of the kind extreme partisan 'thinking' that we've been seeing too much of.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:06:35pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
You have a link for that?
I think that is likely to be true Sharm as a simple matter of demographics. The majority of people overall in this country are white (still, but that will change by 2030).
What that claim ignores though is proportional representation: a higher percentage of minorities will be lower income, compared to the percentage of white people who are.
I can dig up the stats somewhere i'm sure..
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jaunte Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:06:44pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
Looking at raw numbers rather than percentages, it seems to be likely:
Does the percent of children in low-income families vary by race/ethnicity?
Figure 5: Children living in low-income families, by race/ethnicity, 2005* 61% of Latino children—8.8 million—live in low-income families.
* 61% of black children—6.5 million—live in low-income families.
* 28% of Asian children—0.8 million—live in low-income families.
* 26% of white children—11.1 million—live in low-income families.
[Link: www.nccp.org...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:07:29pm |
re: #567 Gus 802
I knew you'd beat me. ;)
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:08:56pm |
re: #571 iceweasel
I knew you'd beat me. ;)
Doh! I do have a one button search on my mouse. Just highlight and click. But, I thought of the search terms right away: race and poverty. Simple. Still looking.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:10:16pm |
re: #573 Gus 802
Doh! I do have a one button search on my mouse. Just highlight and click. But, I thought of the search terms right away: race and poverty. Simple. Still looking.
Firefox plugin? I use one called "Answers" which lets me alt click any word for a definition. I'd be interested in the click search.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:10:35pm |
re: #570 jaunte
Looking at raw numbers rather than percentages, it seems to be likely:
Exactly, and the loons on the right choose to ignore the percentages and look only at the numbers, and then claim that there is no special problem about minorites and poverty, and repeat endlessly and mindlessly that more white people live in poverty than Latinos or blacks.
Standard hackery. Oh, but if we point it out to them, we're 'race-baiting'.
Yeah. I've seen this Wingnut Dance before.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:12:05pm |
re: #574 Locker
Firefox plugin? I use one called "Answers" which lets me alt click any word for a definition. I'd be interested in the click search.
Logitech MX Revolution. You highlight the text and click the button. You can also set the search engine in the mouse program. About 100 bucks but they go on sale from time to time. Wireless-laser.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:13:06pm |
re: #560 Charles
Well, Charles, if I was screaming I'd be CAPPING EVERYTHING, no :) Anyway, I saw the link on Drudge early which had little details this morning and just got home and now getting a late dinner prepared. I'll look for the details later.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:13:56pm |
re: #577 DailyCOS
Next time you might want to check the details before you spout off. Just an idea.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:14:06pm |
re: #575 iceweasel
I don't think the housing crisis was helped at all by promoting the idea that "everyone should have a home of their own" even if they had no savings as a backup for a downturn, and got signed up for an adjustable rate mortgage without understanding the risks, but I think what really made the mess were mortgage-backed securities.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:14:50pm |
re: #570 jaunte
Looking at raw numbers rather than percentages, it seems to be likely:
Most racists aren't too fussy - for them there's white and there's non white. My guess is most racists that promote the talking point about mortgages will be working on the fact that poor non whites taken as a whole outnumber poor whites.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:16:55pm |
re: #576 Gus 802
Logitech MX Revolution. You highlight the text and click the button. You can also set the search engine in the mouse program. About 100 bucks but they go on sale from time to time. Wireless-laser.
Ah cool I have a Logitech G5 gaming mouse on my desktop. I'll check it out.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:17:04pm |
re: #580 Jimmah
Most racists aren't too fussy - for them there's white and there's non white. My guess is most racists that promote the talking point about mortgages will be working on the fact that poor non whites taken as a whole outnumber poor whites.
Looking at the figures and it looks like 18% of the subprime mortgages went to blacks with 5% towards conventional loans.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:17:54pm |
re: #581 Locker
Ah cool I have a Logitech G5 gaming mouse on my desktop. I'll check it out.
I can't go back after using this. Laser is the best and the wireless is always really good.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:18:54pm |
re: #579 jaunte
I don't think the housing crisis was helped at all by promoting the idea that "everyone should have a home of their own" even if they had no savings as a backup for a downturn, and got signed up for an adjustable rate mortgage without understanding the risks, but I think what really made the mess were mortgage-backed securities.
Completely agree on all your points. The home-ownership society, the lack of understanding on the part of the people signing, the ongoing American tendency to live on credit and beyond our means-- and most of all the mortgage-backed securities. The meltdown wasn't caused bottom-up, by individuals defaulting-- it was entirely top down.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:20:03pm |
re: #578 Sharmuta
Next time you might want to check the details before you spout off. Just an idea.
But then he would have nothing to spout off about. You do realise reality is a left wing source of information don't you? ;-)
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jaunte Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:21:24pm |
re: #584 iceweasel
I never understood how someone could take a bunch of non-performing loans and sprinkle them among a bunch of good loans, wrap the whole lot in a bundle and sell them as good loans, and not get busted for fraud.
/ Of course I'm not an investment banker.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:22:14pm |
re: #583 Gus 802
I can't go back after using this. Laser is the best and the wireless is always really good.
Oh it's a G5 Laser mouse but I can't have wireless for gaming man. It throws me off. It's really cool actually, lots of programmable buttons and you get a little set of weights that you can use to balance the mouse, make it heavier or lighter, weight it to the front back or either side, etc.
[Link:cnet.com... ]
The little tin in the picture is the case for the weights. There is a tray for the weights that slides into the bottom of the mouse.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:22:39pm |
re: #585 Jimmah
But then he would have nothing to spout off about. You do realise reality is a left wing source of information don't you? ;-)
I have no idea what I'm talking about, BUT...
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:22:55pm |
re: #560 Charles
Another thing Charles, I wasn't screaming that it was "revenge". If an abortionist gets gunned down or a clinic bombed one assumes that it was done by a Pro-Life Anti-abortion activist. Would it be out of the realm of possibility that a Pro-Life demonstrator would be attacked by a Pro-abortion or to be politically correct "Pro-Choice" supporter? Just saying.
BTW, the nice thing about LGF is that I can get links from folks here that scour different parts of the intertubes to get the usually unbiased reports of events. That's why I asked for any links. Sorry I asked. I'll have to get back to more important things right now. Feeding my face.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:24:46pm |
re: #589 DailyCOS
The problem wasn't you asking for links. The problem is your uninformed opinion. Try asking for links first, spouting off your opinion second.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:24:52pm |
re: #582 Gus 802
Looking at the figures and it looks like 18% of the subprime mortgages went to blacks with 5% towards conventional loans.
Lower income people were disproportionately targeted for subprime loans, and disproportionately unlikely to understand the risks.
But many people got swept up in the madness. I don't know if people saw this article in the NYT magazine section in May, but it's horribly fascinating:
If there was anybody who should have avoided the mortgage catastrophe, it was I. As an economics reporter for The New York Times, I have been the paper’s chief eyes and ears on the Federal Reserve for the past six years. I watched Alan Greenspan and his successor, Ben S. Bernanke, at close range. I wrote several early-warning articles in 2004 about the spike in go-go mortgages. Before that, I had a hand in covering the Asian financial crisis of 1997, the Russia meltdown in 1998 and the dot-com collapse in 2000. I know a lot about the curveballs that the economy can throw at us.
But in 2004, I joined millions of otherwise-sane Americans in what we now know was a catastrophic binge on overpriced real estate and reckless mortgages. Nobody duped or hypnotized me. Like so many others — borrowers, lenders and the Wall Street dealmakers behind them — I just thought I could beat the odds.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:24:54pm |
re: #589 DailyCOS
Another thing Charles, I wasn't screaming that it was "revenge". If an abortionist gets gunned down or a clinic bombed one assumes that it was done by a Pro-Life Anti-abortion activist. Would it be out of the realm of possibility that a Pro-Life demonstrator would be attacked by a Pro-abortion or to be politically correct "Pro-Choice" supporter? Just saying.
Actually, yes, it's completely unheard of.
Unlike religious fanatics who bomb clinics and murder doctors, which is unfortunately pretty common.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:25:28pm |
re: #587 Locker
Oh it's a G5 Laser mouse but I can't have wireless for gaming man. It throws me off. It's really cool actually, lots of programmable buttons and you get a little set of weights that you can use to balance the mouse, make it heavier or lighter, weight it to the front back or either side, etc.
[Link:cnet.com... ]
The little tin in the picture is the case for the weights. There is a tray for the weights that slides into the bottom of the mouse.
I've seen those. Almost looks like the last wireless model I had from Logitech. I like the idea of weights. The MX has a good weight to it -- light mice drive me crazy. A cheap mouse is like having a cheap pencil, pen or in a gaming sense something like a cheap golf club.
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Locker Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:25:58pm |
re: #589 DailyCOS
Another thing Charles, I wasn't screaming that it was "revenge". If an abortionist gets gunned down or a clinic bombed one assumes that it was done by a Pro-Life Anti-abortion activist. Would it be out of the realm of possibility that a Pro-Life demonstrator would be attacked by a Pro-abortion or to be politically correct "Pro-Choice" supporter? Just saying.
BTW, the nice thing about LGF is that I can get links from folks here that scour different parts of the intertubes to get the usually unbiased reports of events. That's why I asked for any links. Sorry I asked. I'll have to get back to more important things right now. Feeding my face.
I respect your tone. Enjoy your food and have a good night.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:26:44pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:28:12pm |
re: #595 DailyCOS
You condemned the press coverage without even knowing what the press coverage was, or the details of this case as they're known now. So yeah- you spouted off an uninformed opinion. I'd be embarrassed.
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:29:58pm |
re: #591 iceweasel
I sat back and watched people get those subprime loans several years ago. At the time I couldn't understand how they could even consider those with the eventually monthly payments that would be involved. Every other Joe on the street was buying a house with barely any money down and an income that didn't match those projected mortgages. It was the buyers, sellers and mortgage companies all working together. The seller of course had only one thing in mind and that was for the buyer to sign the contract. Once they get their commission they're done.
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fizzlogic Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:32:08pm |
re: #576 Gus 802
I used to have the MX Revolution. Great mouse until it broke. Like all the mouses (mice?) I've used over the years something eventually breaks--the single click became an annoying double click on the MX.
I finally bought a cheap $10 mouse. I'm done throwing money away on cool features. :) And anyway, the right-click on a Mac already offers Google search or dictionary/wikipedia on a highlighted word or phrase. The only thing I miss is horizontal scrolling. But I have a 30" monitor so expanding a window beyond horizontal scrolling isn't usually a problem. :)
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:33:44pm |
re: #598 trendsurfer
I used to have the MX Revolution. Great mouse until it broke. Like all the mouses (mice?) I've used over the years something eventually breaks--the single click became an annoying double click on the MX.
I finally bought a cheap $10 mouse. I'm done throwing money away on cool features. :) And anyway, the right-click on a Mac already offers Google search or dictionary/wikipedia on a highlighted word or phrase. The only thing I miss is horizontal scrolling. But I have a 30" monitor so expanding a window beyond horizontal scrolling isn't usually a problem. :)
Same things happened here. I'm actually on my third MX. I figured out a way to fix it but that doesn't last very long. Kind of a waste considering that the switch is about 99 cents.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:35:32pm |
re: #597 Gus 802
Really scary isn't it? That NYT article talks about how the loan officer pushed them to take out a bigger mortgage and get an even bigger house than the one they'd been looking at. Those people didn't care what happened once they got their cut.
I had assumed we would start by renting a house or an apartment, but it quickly became clear that it was almost easier to borrow a half-million dollars and buy something.
I personally would be happy living in a van by the river with my own true love, but that's me...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:37:10pm |
The NTZ 675 TTP (Turbo Thrust Pointer) is the only mouse that could handle my high octane gaming requirements. A real man's mouse.
The i-version also has twin mp3 mixing decks under a flap on the base and live podcast facility for those on the move.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:39:07pm |
re: #601 Jimmah
No true Scotsman would write something like that. ;)
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:46:48pm |
re: #600 iceweasel
Really scary isn't it? That NYT article talks about how the loan officer pushed them to take out a bigger mortgage and get an even bigger house than the one they'd been looking at. Those people didn't care what happened once they got their cut.
I personally would be happy living in a van by the river with my own true love, but that's me...
I don't understand it. People paying $2500 a month for a regular old house.
It was a combined effort and the whole blame game serves no purpose in the end. I'm reading some old comments from Rush Limbaugh and he falls into an ideological trap of his own making. Blame the Democrats. He even went so far as to blame Obama and this was in 2008. As far as I know Obama hadn't done much of anything regarding mortgages. This is odd because they were always saying that Obama did nothing. Suddenly he did something and it was with mortgages?
But Republicans signed on to the same Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae schemes. They too were a part of the subprime lending just like everyone else. It's origins were with Carter but it also survived through 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush I, and 8 years of Bush II. Didn't see any executive orders during that time which totals 20 years. That doesn't even include the Republican majorities in congress during this time.
Of course that's politics. The Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa. The Democrats had their hand in this but so did the Republicans -- they both have their hands in the cookie jar.
A lot of what is supposed to be facts or history turns into a public relations campaign. That's what politics is: advertising with a good dose of selective memories and reasoning.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 11, 2009 7:55:35pm |
re: #603 Gus 802
Of course that's politics. The Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa. The Democrats had their hand in this but so did the Republicans -- they both have their hands in the cookie jar.A lot of what is supposed to be facts or history turns into a public relations campaign. That's what politics is: advertising with a good dose of selective memories and reasoning.
Yup, totally agree. It wasn't a partisan situation at all. People forget that the political elites in our country (and probably everywhere) serve the interests of the economic elites. Walter L Newton is always making that point and I agree with him on that.
In this case I think the blame has to go to those who were bundling the mortgage securities and trading in them. As jaunte said above-- I can't understand how those people aren't in jail.
Then again, i think of the first point...
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Gus Fri, Sep 11, 2009 8:04:08pm |
re: #604 iceweasel
Yup, totally agree. It wasn't a partisan situation at all. People forget that the political elites in our country (and probably everywhere) serve the interests of the economic elites. Walter L Newton is always making that point and I agree with him on that.
In this case I think the blame has to go to those who were bundling the mortgage securities and trading in them. As jaunte said above-- I can't understand how those people aren't in jail.
Then again, i think of the first point...
It's rare that they're sent to jail isn't it. Most of the time they get away with fines or penalties and that's about it. The firms that were responsible give heavily to both parties but more to the point they are part of the same culture which includes the economic elite. They live in the same neighborhoods and go to the same churches.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:02:04pm |
re: #532 Charles
Sorry, Charles, but after reading my post I didn't see anything where I stated that ACORN had a "major" part in the mortgage crisis. I, unlike Killgore Trout, believe that they did have "some" influence in the mortgage circus and definitely had "some" influence in voter fraud. If I remember right, there was one college journalism crew that uncovered a house in Ohio that was being used by ACORN activists for voter fraud. I'm surprised some here don't recall that. Must be more of the "nothing to see here" attitude I guess.
You did the same thing characterizing my post on the shooting of the Pro-Lifer as "screaming revenge" when I did no such thing. Yes, I made an assumption on how the MSM would be handling the news but after finding more info on it, the evidence appears to be that the killer had a problem with the guy showing the graphic signs near the school. Was the killer pro-choice? Who knows. It's possible but then I'm not a reporter or blogger.
Mischaracterizing posts brings out the ding down clubs and comments from your fellow lizards. Sad to see.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:13:55pm |
re: #596 Sharmuta
Embarrassed? Why should I be? I made an wrong but not implausible assumption. Big whoop. Your infallibility and strong words are rather impressive.
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DailyCOS Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:19:37pm |
ACORN out with Census Bureau.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Criminal enterprise with no influence. Yup.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:30:26pm |
re: #608 DailyCOS
The Census Bureau dropped ACORN specifically because of the political fake outrage that's being drummed up by Glenn Beck. NOT because of any wrongdoing.
It says this right in the article - try reading it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 11, 2009 9:32:21pm |
Quote:
"It is clear that ACORN's affiliation with the 2010 census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 census efforts," Groves wrote.
Once again, you're misrepresenting a news story. Imagine my surprise.
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