A Response to Stephen Green (With Link)

Stephen Green has a “response” to a comment I posted earlier in one of the tea party threads. He deliberately omits the link to LGF, which makes this a rather odd sort of response — one I’m not intended to see, I guess.

Vodkapundit » A Response to Charles Johnson.

Over at LGF (no link, sorry) Charles Johnson notes that I’m taking phone calls from “white supremacist” Stacy McCain. (Thanks, Darlene.)

Now, I’ve worked with Stacy in person a couple of times, at the DNC last summer and at CPAC in February. Both were crowded, high-stress situations. At no time did I see Stacy treat anyone — of any color, creed, whathaveyou — with anything less than respect and good humor.

So, is Robert Stacy McCain a white supremacist? Hell if I know. But he enjoys breaking bread with agnostic half Jews like me, which would certainly make him a different kind of white supremacist.

Robert Stacy McCain writes for VDARE and Takimag, two disgusting, openly racist websites. And he’s a friend of Richard Spencer, a self-avowed white nationalist. McCain is a member of the white supremacist group League of the South, and he’s associated with the deeply racist American Renaissance.

Check out any of these groups on the web, Stephen, and see if I’m exaggerating. You might want to start with Google’s cache of the American Renaissance website.

I don’t link directly to them because they’re a hate group.

There’s more information on Robert Stacy McCain here: Defending Dixie.

With the arrival of Assistant National Editor Robert Stacy McCain in 1997, the Times’ disassociation from the racism of American Renaissance became a distant memory. McCain, who wrote the story about Democrats and Dixie, has covered the group’s biannual conferences in 1998, 2000 and 2002, making the Times the only major American newspaper to devote news stories to American Renaissance. Since 1999, the Times has also reprinted at least six excerpts from American Renaissance in its page-2 culture section, never acknowledging the highly controversial nature of the source.

And here.

And here: Rebels With a Cause.

LOS member and Washington Times national reporter Robert Stacy McCain says in an essay posted on the League’s main site, slavery was “generally” characterized by “cordial and affectionate relations” between white and black Southerners.

UPDATE at 9/12/09 4:04:20 pm:

Here’s Robert Stacy McCain’s 2003 speech to the Sons of the Confederacy.

This we know: Our ancestors’ cause was just and their conduct was honorable.

UPDATE at 9/12/09 5:03:50 pm:

Here’s how Robert Stacy McCain feels about interracial marriage.

“[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us.”

And here’s a post at Robert Stacy McCain’s website that links to the Political Cesspool blog — an openly white supremacist hate site: The Other McCain: ‘The Full Monty Joint Review’ Avalanche.

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259 comments

1 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:22:26pm
which would certainly make him a different kind of white supremacist.

He's just a little racist, not a lot, so it's okay! *puke*

2 MPH  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:22:34pm

Come on Stephen -- you of all people, should know better.

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:24:42pm

Wow, Charles, the must really like you considering all the times you were mentioned in the comments.

4 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:25:40pm
which would certainly make him a different kind of white supremacist.

Nope. Exactly like all the modern white supremacists. Some of them are even "supporters of Israel." The old guidebook with the white sheets and flaming crosses is no longer a reliable source.

5 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:29:20pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

I'd wager much of their support for Israel has less to do when their love of the state than a desire for Jeebus's second coming.

6 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:29:26pm

Have a look at the Google cache of American Renaissance.

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

7 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:30:39pm

He's half-Jewish yet he's defending someone who writes for VDARE and Taki?

8 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:31:36pm

I wish I could have recorded the brief conversation I had with Richard Spencer at the Lolita Bar (in NYC) a few months ago. Its paraphrased version defies belief. But basically, he walked up to me to correct the non racist assertions I made about the founding principles of this country. Did not know the guy... only later learned he was the Richard Spencer of Taki Mag. But he has no qualms about walking up to strangers and declaring himself a white nationalist.

No one, unless lobotomized, can be close friends with him, as RS McCain professes to be, yet miss his fundamentally bigoted nature. And if my second-hand description of his buddy is not authoritative grounds for dumping McCain, his membership in the League of South should be.

9 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:31:52pm

re: #5 trendsurfer

I'd wager much of their support for Israel has less to do when their love of the state than a desire for Jeebus's second coming.

Sometimes it's worse than that. Some of them use it as justification for wanting their own "homeland" where they can be with "their own kind."

10 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:34:36pm

RS McCain on interracial relationships:

[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion," McCain wrote. "The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us."

Link

That's some different kind of white supremacist, alright.

11 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

He's just a little racist, not a lot, so it's okay! *puke*

"He's only a douchebag on the 1st and 3rd tuesdays of the month."

12 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:38:58pm

re: #8 medaura18586

Perhaps my argument of guilt by association is not what's called for. But it stands on equal footing with Stephen's exoneration-by-association. Yes, RS McCain hangs out with a mostly agnostic Jew, is it? But he also pals around with a fevered lunatic hater. There... they cancel off, do they? Or is RS McCain a really special kind of white supremacist?

...

Charles, I did think his withholding the link to your comment was very strange. But on second thought, I'm not sure he was being a jerk. He may have merely been lazy. I saw the hat tip he gives to a Darlene (from Protein Wisdom), who quotes you without providing a link to your comment.

OT:

As to what you said in the other thread, my jaw dropped that your jaw dropped at John Derbyshire appearing at Political Cesspool. Is it any news to you that he is a sick bigot? I've known for years.

13 Yellowstone  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:39:53pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Agree. Just reading this: "national reporter Robert Stacy McCain says in an essay posted on the League’s main site, slavery was “generally” characterized by “cordial and affectionate relations” between white and black Southerners."
made me a want to throw up.

On the other hand, if McCain is right, it would certainly explain all the wonderful race relations we saw in the South during the 50's and 60's. Perhaps the KKK was merely helping out their black friends dry their laundry?

14 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:41:23pm

re: #12 medaura18586

As to what you said in the other thread, my jaw dropped that your jaw dropped at John Derbyshire appearing at Political Cesspool. Is it any news to you that he is a sick bigot? I've known for years.

No, I didn't know that, because I never read Derbyshire.

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:42:28pm

I am sorry. Maybe I'm stoopid. How can one be agnostic and Jewish? Pick a fucking team.

16 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:44:52pm

American Renaissance was founded by Jared Taylor who is listed as "see also" on scientific racism.

17 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:44:56pm

re: #14 Charles

No, I didn't know that, because I never read Derbyshire.

VDARE, Taft Club, etc. See the email I sent you

18 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:45:46pm

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am sorry. Maybe I'm stoopid. How can one be agnostic and Jewish? Pick a fucking team.

I see you've never been to a Reform synagogue.

19 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:46:15pm

re: #12 medaura18586

Perhaps my argument of guilt by association is not what's called for. But it stands on equal footing with Stephen's exoneration-by-association. Yes, RS McCain hangs out with a mostly agnostic Jew, is it? But he also pals around with a fevered lunatic hater. There... they cancel off, do they? Or is RS McCain a really special kind of white supremacist?

Way too many connections here to give him a pass. Nobody in their right mind who was not a racist would hang around with groups like American Renaissance and League of the South, or people like Richard Spencer.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:46:27pm

re: #18 MJ

I see you've never been to a Reform synagogue.

Are they Jewish there?

21 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:46:57pm

How long do you suspect before someone misreads "Richard" for "Robert" and goes off on a whacky tangent?

22 Yellowstone  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:02pm

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

I sat next to a senior person in the Jewish Defense League on a plane a couple of years ago. He went on about how Israel was owed to the Jews because his people owned it historically, etc. It was an ethnic and cultural Judaism. When we parted, I said, "Well, God bless." And he looked at me with surprise, and said "oh, I don't believe in God." It was interesting.

23 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:10pm

This is rich. I posted a link to this thread at Vodkapundit, asked Stephen Green to comment.

He didn't address any of the specifics Charles mentioned.

16. HepCat:

Stephen,

Here is Charles Johnson’s response. Any comment?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Sep 12, 2009 - 4:33 pm 17. Stephen Green:

HC –

17. Stephen Green:

Absolutely, although I can’t do much more than reiterate what I’ve already said. I like Stacy, I’ve worked with Stacy a couple time, I’ve never heard or seen him say or do anything remotely racist.

As for the pissing match between CJ and Stacy, today’s the first I’ve heard of it, as I don’t read LGF and I don’t read RSM unless he sends me a link I find interesting. That’s not a slam on either one of them — I just don’t have time to read blogs the way I once did.

Also, I should have been more clear as to WHY I didn’t link CJ’s comment — I couldn’t make the link work! That’s probably my bad, but I couldn’t say for sure.

Other than that, I’d really rather stay out of this fight. I think it’s possible to get along with both guys, although — even as a non-believer — I find reports of CJ’s anti-religious rants a bit off-putting, same as I find RSM’s choice of paychecks.

24 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:16pm

re: #21 Thanos

How long do you suspect before someone misreads "Richard" for "Robert" and goes off on a whacky tangent?

I was just thinking the same thing!

25 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:16pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

RS McCain on interracial relationships:

Link

That's some different kind of white supremacist, alright.

Oh man. As I just wrote to Charles:

"I wish I had the time, interest, and stomach to read these creeps more often than I do. Whenever I tune in to RS McCain, so far on very few occasions, his own words unmistakeably reveal his sickening worldview. It is very possible to compile volumes of quoted material from his diatribes. Someone should do it. And do it with other princes of the right-wing blogosphere."

That's what I mean. Whenever I have paid attention to RS McCain, I have felt it in my gut that his bigotry is lurking right under the surface of his plush, cutesy, affected prose. This is what I am talking about.

Come to think of it. I wish I read Robert Spencer more often too. I'd have more than enough material to destroy him.

26 ted  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:42pm


" slavery was “generally” characterized by “cordial and affectionate relations” between white and black Southerners."

Image: File:Lynching2.jpg

Quite Cordial...

27 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:47:55pm

re: #14 Charles

No, I didn't know that, because I never read Derbyshire.

He's also mentioned on the wiki link to scientific racism:

Coon's school of thought saw increasing opposition in mainstream anthropology after World War II. Ashley Montagu was particularly vocal in denouncing Coon, especially in his Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race. By the 1960s, Coon's approach had been rendered obsolete in mainstream anthropology, but his system continued to appear in publications by his student John Lawrence Angel as late as in the 1970s. Coon continues to be quoted by openly racist authors writing in the 2000s, such as John Derbyshire.

28 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #23 HelloDare

...I find reports of CJ’s anti-religious rants a bit off-putting...

Oh, that's beautiful. He hasn't actually READ any of these "anti-religious rants," of course ... because they don't exist. But that doesn't stop him from bashing me, because he's heard "reports" of them.

And he just doesn't seem to care about opening his eyes to who he's defending.

29 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:51:11pm

re: #23 HelloDare

From Green's response:

I find reports of CJ’s anti-religious rants a bit off-putting

In other words, he judges Charles on the basis of things he's heard, but judges McCain based on what a nice guy he is in person, and disregards what he's [now] heard.

30 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:53:20pm

re: #23 HelloDare

...and I had not realized before what a HepCat you are.

31 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:53:20pm

RSM has been a speaker at the Taft Club, at the infamous Sala Thai restaurant that was outted way back when by Neo Nazi Bill White who was upset at the tea cup racialists not taking a harder line on race and Jews in particular.

32 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #14 Charles

No, I didn't know that, because I never read Derbyshire.

I don't either. I found out about him when I was digging dirt on Robert Spencer. I had to run through the whole gamut of related commenters to grasp the Zeitgeist he is part of. In the course of that inquiry, I learned that Michelle Malkin writes for VDARE (I never read her either), etc. It's all a big network that reeks.

33 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

I use that over at Hot Air on occasion. Did I just sock puppet myself?

34 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:56:39pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

RS McCain on interracial relationships:

Link

That's some different kind of white supremacist, alright.

To paraphrase his quote "As long as the darkies stay in their place, like good slaves (even if we do have to pay them nowadays), they're fine, but I'm not going to associate with them."
Not that much different from any other white supremacist when it is worded this way.

35 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:57:02pm

re: #25 medaura18586

Oh man. As I just wrote to Charles:

"I wish I had the time, interest, and stomach to read these creeps more often than I do. Whenever I tune in to RS McCain, so far on very few occasions, his own words unmistakeably reveal his sickening worldview. It is very possible to compile volumes of quoted material from his diatribes. Someone should do it. And do it with other princes of the right-wing blogosphere."

That's what I mean. Whenever I have paid attention to RS McCain, I have felt it in my gut that his bigotry is lurking right under the surface of his plush, cutesy, affected prose. This is what I am talking about.

Come to think of it. I wish I read Robert Spencer more often too. I'd have more than enough material to destroy him.

Yes, yes. Destroy.

There is lots of blinding hatred coming out, Charles.

36 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:57:15pm

re: #11 ArchangelMichael

"He's only a douchebag on the 1st and 3rd tuesdays of the month."

More like only on days that end in 'y'

37 Linden Arden  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:57:29pm

I only recently posted here for the first time so this will be my first and final "why here" post.

I applaud the LGF stance AGAINST exclusionary racist tactics and FOR a pro-science GOP movement forward. When the GOP regains power it will be a new political alignment that broadens party appeal in spite of the extremist elements --- not because of them.

Now I will watch football for the remainder of the evening - thanks for reading this far...

38 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:58:15pm

re: #34 Kosh's Shadow

Considering Mr Green is half Jewish, I thought perhaps he'd like to know his friend's take on that.

39 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:59:20pm
40 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

Considering Mr Green is half Jewish, I thought perhaps he'd like to know his friend's take on that.

I find it weird that a person can be "half jewish"

41 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:00:21pm

re: #33 HelloDare

I use that over at Hot Air on occasion. Did I just sock puppet myself?

Only if you import it here. Now you're just a man [?] of mystery...

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:02:04pm

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

43 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:02:31pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

Now that's rich

44 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:02:36pm

screen jump!!

45 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:02:45pm

re: #40 LSD

I find it weird that a person can be "half jewish"

You mean like Lenny Kravitz?

46 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:03:16pm

re: #28 Charles

Oh, that's beautiful. He hasn't actually READ any of these "anti-religious rants," of course ... because they don't exist. But that doesn't stop him from bashing me, because he's heard "reports" of them.

And he just doesn't seem to care about opening his eyes to who he's defending.

I find Stephen Green's equivocation between your alleged anti-religious rants and RS McCain's questionable choice of paychecks (euphemism for money from a Greek fascist playboy) off-putting. Even if it were true that you were ranting against religion and believers, it would in no way be as serious an offense as trafficking in fascist waters. Give me a break!

47 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:03:39pm

Charles, it ain't easy being Green...

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:03:52pm

re: #40 LSD

I find it weird that a person can be "half jewish"

See my #15.

49 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:03:56pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

Yeah- it's bigoted to discriminate against white supremacists.

[eye roll]

50 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:04:56pm

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

See my #15.

Yeah right?

51 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #39 taxfreekiller

I heard from him on 9/8. Haven't seen him here in a while.

52 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:05:47pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

Yeah- it's bigoted to discriminate against white supremacists.

[eye roll]

especially white supremacists who have "joooish friends"

then they can say:
"I'm not a racist you know, I have Joooish friends too"!

53 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:06:59pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

Aw, cmon. He also said you are fun to drink with!

Dropped a post over there btw, but based on his response to me I gather he has settled upon a position of willful ignorance.

54 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #52 Green Helmet Guy

especially white supremacists who have "joooish friends"

then they can say:
"I'm not a racist you know, I have Joooish friends too"!


Ain't that Pat Buchanan's schitck?

55 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:08:15pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.


You haven't heard. You're a new character in Bizarro World.

56 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:08:58pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

They're both with each other right now. Or where in the same hotel room. RSM just said this:

Meanwhile, VodkaPundit did a telephone interview with Barbara [Espinosa] -- on my cell phone.

57 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:09:20pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Were that is. PIMF

58 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:09:27pm

One of the posters over there has made the following inquiry...

"I’m looking for this “Reclaiming the South” website where McCain allegedly posted some lines supporting people who can’t stomach interracial marriage. Pianobuff, HepCat, do you know where it is? All over the internet I see the electronic equivalent of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy."

Clues?

Also does anyone have handy any links to some of the Wright, Pfleger, etc. coverage by LGF?

59 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:09:37pm

re: #35 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yes, yes. Destroy.

There is lots of blinding hatred coming out, Charles.

Retracted and reworded:

I'd have more than enough material to destroy him facilitate his spontaneous combustion.

/It's his own words that dictate his destruction as a public figure. Whenever rational people have read the diatribes of Robert Spencer closely enough and analyzed them, it has marked Spencer's undoing. Piece by piece... It's not my fault that what he writes is so self-incriminating.

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:09:46pm

re: #56 Gus 802

They're both with each other right now. Or where in the same hotel room. RSM just said this:

Meanwhile, VodkaPundit did a telephone interview with Barbara [Espinosa] -- on my cell phone.

Well, isn't that special.

61 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:10:13pm

re: #42 Charles

And now Stephen Green is calling me a bigot.

If he were to side with you, Charles, he would be off the reservation. The memo has gone out. To concede the point to you on any one of these bigots would cause a domino effect the right is unwilling to acknowledge even exists.

62 iLikeCandy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:10:31pm

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are two ways to be (come) Jewish: to convert, or to have a Jewish mother. So it's possible to be an agnostic Jew.

63 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:11:45pm

re: #56 Gus 802

They're both with each other right now. Or where in the same hotel room. RSM just said this:

Meanwhile, VodkaPundit did a telephone interview with Barbara [Espinosa] -- on my cell phone.

That's odd. Green responded to me by saying:

"This will be my last word on this, for two reasons: 1) I have family coming over in a few; and 2) there’s not much else to say."

Family coming over to the hotel room I guess?

64 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:12:08pm

re: #62 iLikeCandy

There are two ways to be (come) Jewish: to convert, or to have a Jewish mother. So it's possible to be an agnostic Jew.

Strange that a belief system can be genetically transferred...

65 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:12:16pm

Sons of Confederacy...nope, they seem very rational to me!
//
Side note: when my ship was in a shipyard in Charleston, I had the opportunity to visit downtown Charleston, SC for a bit, and ran across a "Confederate Museum", run by the "Daughters of Confederacy". I just happen to notice very few (read: NONE) African Americans inside, and the lady in the front looked like she would be extremely hostile to any who happened to walk inside.

66 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:12:36pm

re: #64 LSD

Strange that a belief system can be genetically transferred...

Blame Nehemiah.

67 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:13:23pm

re: #66 Hengineer

Blame Nehemiah.

I blame Canada.

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #67 LSD

I blame Canada.

Me too.

69 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #67 LSD

I blame Canada.

They're not even a real country, anyway!
/

70 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #63 Pianobuff

That's odd. Green responded to me by saying:

"This will be my last word on this, for two reasons: 1) I have family coming over in a few; and 2) there’s not much else to say."

Family coming over to the hotel room I guess?

Just read it here.

Today's date.

71 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:14:00pm

Gah! Here is the latest from Stephen Green of Vodkapundit responding to a poster.

20. Pianobuff:

Mr. Green, I urge you to take a look at the content Charles has posted at LGF in response to your posting and entertain the possibility that there may be some substance to his point. If in the end you are not persuaded that’s your prerogative, but given that you felt this important enough to cover in a posting, it’s probably worth giving equal time to investigate the credibility of Charles’s claims. That would be the reasonable course of action of a critical thinker, wouldn’t it?
Sep 12, 2009 - 4:49 pm


23. Stephen Green:

Piano –

This will be my last word on this, for two reasons: 1) I have family coming over in a few; and 2) there’s not much else to say.

Having talked to Stacy about just this, I’d describe him as a proud Southern partisan — but no racist. From what I’ve read about CJ (but not from him because, as I’ve said, I don’t read LGF), he might have a bigotry of his own against people of faith. But not having read first hand, or talked to CJ, I couldn’t — and wouldn’t — say.

As a small-l libertarian, I have to take my political allies (very few) where I can (most -desperately!- anywhere). I think CJ performs a valuable service at LGF exposing jihadists, and that, whatever other faults he might have, RSM truly believes in small government. I can also say from firsthand experience that both men are fun to drink with.

Although from what I’ve seen today, I don’t think I would want to drink with them both at the same time.
Sep 12, 2009 - 4:56 pm

72 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:15:58pm

re: #71 HelloDare

Gah! Here is the latest from Stephen Green of Vodkapundit responding to a poster.

Not just any poster. ;)

73 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:16:02pm

re: #71 HelloDare

Gah! Here is the latest from Stephen Green of Vodkapundit responding to a poster.

Heh, as someone with small-l libertarian thoughts I most certainly would not take my allies anywhere.

The enemey of my enemy is my friend leads people like the Powerline lawyers to have allies in Europe who happen to be extreme right wing nutjobs.

74 The Left  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:16:12pm

Semi-OT, but not:

The Washington Times, in attention to having been busted numerous times for lying, has a long and sordid history of supporting white supremacism, people like RS McCain, and considering VDARE a credible news source.

Here is an SPLC report from 2005:
The News That Fits

Long criticized for its brand of journalism, The Washington Times makes a habit of publishing the work of extremists — including the wife of the newspaper's managing editor

Here is Media Matters in 2004 documenting them using VDARE as a source:

In its August 15 "Culture, et cetera" column, The Washington Times excerpted a column by Steve Sailer that originally appeared on the website VDARE.com, an anti-immigration web site that describes itself as "white nationalist."

It's no surprise at all that RSM would have been a reporter for them.

75 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:17:04pm

it's sad that some feel the need to overlook what are starting to look like serious faults in a quest to have "allies". With friends like that...

76 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:17:26pm

re: #40 LSD

I find it weird that a person can be "half jewish"

I'm a bit under a half Jewish. It can be both a creed and an ethnicity. It's usually both, but for those who shed the belief system, only the ethnicity remains.

77 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:17:48pm

Is there a way to upding someone in LGF spy mode? I can't see one...

78 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:18:12pm

re: #77 Hengineer

Click the nic.

79 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #76 medaura18586

I'm a bit under a half Jewish. It can be both a creed and an ethnicity. It's usually both, but for those who shed the belief system, only the ethnicity remains.

Then there's the "Messianic Jews", the ones who are technically truer Christians than Christians.

80 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:19:06pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

Click the nic.

Thanks...seems like a backhanded way to do it, but it works.

81 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:19:18pm

re: #65 Hengineer

Sons of Confederacy...nope, they seem very rational to me!
//
Side note: when my ship was in a shipyard in Charleston, I had the opportunity to visit downtown Charleston, SC for a bit, and ran across a "Confederate Museum", run by the "Daughters of Confederacy". I just happen to notice very few (read: NONE) African Americans inside, and the lady in the front looked like she would be extremely hostile to any who happened to walk inside.

You might be absolutely correct in your assessment that the lady "looked like" she would be hostile to African Americans - but how did you determine that?

82 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #80 Hengineer

Thanks...seems like a backhanded way to do it, but it works.

The comments are scrolling down automatically in Spy mode -- it would be too easy to hit the wrong button by mistake.

83 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:20:43pm

Pianobuff, I'm not going to link here but do a search on [ McCain taft club ] should pull up a page at vdare with one of his speaking engagements there. Beneath it you'll find several of his articles, including addresses to sons of the confederacy etc.

84 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:21:33pm

re: #71 HelloDare

Gah! Here is the latest from Stephen Green of Vodkapundit responding to a poster.

Yes, he's decided that I'm an "anti-religious bigot," based on ... nothing at all, except the ravings of the creeps who are smearing me in his comments.

85 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:21:33pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

You might be absolutely correct in your assessment that the lady "looked like" she would be hostile to African Americans - but how did you determine that?

Honestly, I'm not sure, I know its not a good way to judge people, but its a "feeling" that I had. I think she was one of the descendants of some major Confederate families, the ones that owned slaves or were Generals in the war or something.

86 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:21:58pm

re: #71 HelloDare

That's nice. He's willing to "hear out" RSM, but he won't grant Charles the same opportunity.

87 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:22:12pm

re: #63 Pianobuff

Unless of course she was using RSM's phone in which case I might be getting in over my head. So I guess he's not with him. However, they're all talking to each other regardless.

On that note I better do some errands.

88 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:22:40pm

re: #72 Pianobuff

That's not me this time. I was going to post something along the same line but not as polite. Funny, it seems that breaking bread with his family is sort of plenary indulgence for Stephen Green. And what to make of this comment?:

As a small-l libertarian, I have to take my political allies (very few) where I can (most -desperately!- anywhere).

89 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:23:02pm

re: #62 iLikeCandy

There are two ways to be (come) Jewish: to convert, or to have a Jewish mother. So it's possible to be an agnostic Jew.

While generally true, the Reform movement does allow for patrilineal descent though not recognized by the other (American) branches.

As for being an agnostic Jew, sure, why not? Jews can be atheist as well Humanist, Ethical Culture, etc.

90 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:23:19pm

re: #84 Charles

Yes, he's decided that I'm an "anti-religious bigot," based on ... nothing at all, except the ravings of the creeps who are smearing me in his comments.

That's interesting because I've never seen you comment about a "religious" person unless they were doing something somewhat nefarious

91 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:23:30pm

re: #88 HelloDare

That's not me this time. I was going to post something along the same line but not as polite. Funny, it seems that breaking bread with his family is sort of plenary indulgence for Stephen Green. And what to make of this comment?:

Exactly my point, anyone whose willing to make their friends anywhere they can has to realize that some of those so-called friends might actually hurt you in the long run.

92 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #90 LSD

That's interesting because I've never seen you comment about a "religious" person unless they were doing something somewhat nefarious

;-)

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:25:19pm

re: #89 MJ

While generally true, the Reform movement does allow for patrilineal descent though not recognized by the other (American) branches.

As for being an agnostic Jew, sure, why not? Jews can be atheist as well Humanist, Ethical Culture, etc.

So, Agnostic Jew means, agnostic as a belief and Jew as a decent?

94 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:25:45pm

OT, There was an incident recently on my ship. It made the Hampton Roads news? "WAVY". Quite a few people got injured when a rogue wave bounced off the USNS Big Horn and slammed across our deck when we were practicing UNREPs about 50 miles off the coast. I'm an engineer so I was all the way down below watching the machinery when it happened, and I'm seriously glad everyone who got hurt has so far become stable and is going to live. Only one person by last word was iffy.

95 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:26:43pm

re: #85 Hengineer

Honestly, I'm not sure, I know its not a good way to judge people, but its a "feeling" that I had. I think she was one of the descendants of some major Confederate families, the ones that owned slaves or were Generals in the war or something.

Sometimes I find my 'feelings' are accurate, and sometimes they're not.

But here's a small piece of southern history that you may find interesting.

96 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:27:17pm

re: #72 Pianobuff

Oh, that was you. You are much more polite than I am, to your credit.

97 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:27:22pm

re: #94 Hengineer

Prayers for all to recover quickly

98 Pianobuff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:27:31pm

re: #88 HelloDare

That's not me this time. I was going to post something along the same line but not as polite. Funny, it seems that breaking bread with his family is sort of plenary indulgence for Stephen Green. And what to make of this comment?:

Ummm... look at the poster's name. Then look at the nic on the post you are currently reading. :)

I wasn't suggesting that he check it out this second. Really...tomorrow, day after tomorrow, next week all would have been ok by me.

99 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:29:43pm

re: #97 LSD

Prayers for all to recover quickly

[Link: www.wavy.com...]

100 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:30:34pm

re: #98 Pianobuff

Ummm... look at the poster's name. Then look at the nic on the post you are currently reading. :)

I wasn't suggesting that he check it out this second. Really...tomorrow, day after tomorrow, next week all would have been ok by me.

Yeah, I finally noticed your nic. I'm surprised he even posted your comment -- his response was so lame. There are some really sick people posting over there, you and me not included. That was the first time I ever posted over there. And I'm sure the last.

101 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:30:46pm

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

A person of Jewish ancestry who converted to another religion (or leaves the religion altogether) is still considered Jewish in Orthodox and Conservative Judaism

102 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:31:02pm

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, Agnostic Jew means, agnostic as a belief and Jew as a decent?

Well, I wouldn't want to divide it up quite like that, but lets say there is wide variety of belief, or, if you prefer, non-belief, within the Jewish community. Einstein was no less Jewish than Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:33:35pm

re: #101 Green Helmet Guy

re: #102 MJ

Thank you both!!! That was driving me nuts!! Sorry if I sounded ignorant, I just didn't know.

104 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:34:35pm

no problemo.

105 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:35:34pm

re: #104 Green Helmet Guy

no problemo.

Wow! Green Helmet Guy knows Spanish! I thought he was Palestinean?

///

106 The Left  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:36:21pm

re: #90 LSD

What, this blog is all about religion now?
It's anti-idiotarian, hence the calling out of idiots-- even when they're religious.

107 Joe in Australia  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:36:29pm

Charles, while you're clearing out your blog roll, I do wish you would get rid of dead blogs and ones that haven't updated in months. When I'm bored I often click through the list and it's irritating when I click on a dead one. I'd be happy to help check them, if you don't have time to do so.

108 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:36:47pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #102 MJ

Thank you both!!! That was driving me nuts!! Sorry if I sounded ignorant, I just didn't know.

I feel pretty ignorant myself because I NEVER thought about this much. Check this out: If my great grandmother converted to Judaism when she married yet I am a confirmed catholic and also brought up in the protestant church - what the heck am I?

109 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:37:18pm

re: #108 LSD

I feel pretty ignorant myself because I NEVER thought about this much. Check this out: If my great grandmother converted to Judaism when she married yet I am a confirmed catholic and also brought up in the protestant church - what the heck am I?

American.

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:37:43pm

re: #108 LSD

I feel pretty ignorant myself because I NEVER thought about this much. Check this out: If my great grandmother converted to Judaism when she married yet I am a confirmed catholic and also brought up in the protestant church - what the heck am I?

Fucked.
/

111 The Left  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:37:50pm

re: #106 iceweasel

What, this blog is all about religion now?
It's anti-idiotarian, hence the calling out of idiots-- even when they're religious.

LSD-- my apologies, I see you were making that very point. Sorry!

112 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:38:12pm

re: #108 LSD

I feel pretty ignorant myself because I NEVER thought about this much. Check this out: If my great grandmother converted to Judaism when she married yet I am a confirmed catholic and also brought up in the protestant church - what the heck am I?

I believe you are a psychedelic drug usually served on postage stamps.
//

113 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:38:19pm

re: #109 Hengineer

American.

Touche'

114 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:40:22pm

re: #105 Hengineer

ahalan w'sahlan ya sahbi.

yallah salamat.

115 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:40:47pm

re: #114 Green Helmet Guy

ahalan w'sahlan ya sahbi.

yallah salamat.

Don't talk about my mama like that!

116 iLikeCandy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:41:23pm

re: #64 LSD

Strange that a belief system can be genetically transferred...

Yes, Jewish people define themselves as both "a people" (e.g. related by common blood ancestry) and a faith.

117 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:41:31pm

[Link: coastguardnews.com...]

Coast Guard news on the story...

118 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:42:02pm

re: #115 Hengineer

lol.

119 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:42:03pm

re: #111 iceweasel

LSD-- my apologies, I see you were making that very point. Sorry!

Sorry If I made it sound that way

120 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:42:22pm

re: #108 LSD

I feel pretty ignorant myself because I NEVER thought about this much. Check this out: If my great grandmother converted to Judaism when she married yet I am a confirmed catholic and also brought up in the protestant church - what the heck am I?

I don't know what you are but you might try dumping your Catholic shame for Jewish guilt. Guilt is a lot easier to deal with than shame. As far as the protestant business goes, that depends on the denomination. If you're Lutheran, serve matzo with your casseroles and you should be okay.

121 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #116 iLikeCandy

Yes, Jewish people define themselves as both "a people" (e.g. related by common blood ancestry) and a faith.

Its not just them, throughout history they've been referred to in genetic terms, hence why those that spew Jewish hatred really are racist.

122 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:43:17pm

re: #120 HelloDare

I don't know what you are but you might try dumping your Catholic shame for Jewish guilt. Guilt is a lot easier to deal with than shame. As far as the protestant business goes, that depends on the denomination. If you're Lutheran, serve matzo with your casseroles and you should be okay.

Ha!

123 The Left  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:43:41pm

re: #119 LSD

Sorry If I made it sound that way

No, no, you didn't at all. This was totally my bad! Sorry, again. I was multitasking and sloppy and misread you.

124 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:50:02pm

Don't look now but a Michelle Obama Porcelain Doll ad is stalking this site.

125 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #117 Hengineer

[Link: coastguardnews.com...]

Coast Guard news on the story...

I hope they all recover fully.

126 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:50:53pm

He's just pissed of because LGF is goofing on the Tea Parties. Someone linked to it on one of his threads earlier.

127 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:51:30pm

re: #108 LSD

if shes on your maternal side then according to Orthodox and Conservative Judaism you are Jewish.

128 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:52:08pm

re: #124 HelloDare

Don't look now but a Michelle Obama Porcelain Doll ad is stalking this site.

There are still 912.org ads too. In hope of costing them money, I click on them sometimes.

129 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:53:32pm
Also, I should have been more clear as to WHY I didn’t link CJ’s comment — I couldn’t make the link work!

Can't figure out how to work a link, Stephen, but you can figure out who is or isn't a bigot. M'kay.

130 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:54:48pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

I hope they all recover fully.

Well So far the last word I heard is only one we're still not sure about, everyone else seems to be doing ok.

131 LSD  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:55:37pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

Can't figure out how to work a link, Stephen, but you can figure out who is or isn't a bigot. M'kay.

Yeah, that was a unbelievable and silly, lame, line of BS from him.

132 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:56:36pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

There are still 912.org ads too. In hope of costing them money, I click on them sometimes.

I've done that too on occasion.

133 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:56:39pm

youtube video of what looks like a Kings Point Cadet who we had onboard back in '07. Probably was a cadet considering he also has video of the Maersk Missouri.

134 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:02:04pm

Ah forgot the youtube link, well heres a different one:
Cetae - Merchant Marine

135 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:05:20pm

OT but I just found on Ancestry.com a copy of the ship manifest from the merchant marines where my father worked his way from India to the West Coast in 1946. He is listed as a member of the crew with the job of "wiper". Anyone know what that is? Either way, just a way cool thing to see.

136 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:05:42pm

This one is for you Stephen Green:

137 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:06:09pm

re: #135 Big Steve

OT but I just found on Ancestry.com a copy of the ship manifest from the merchant marines where my father worked his way from India to the West Coast in 1946. He is listed as a member of the crew with the job of "wiper". Anyone know what that is? Either way, just a way cool thing to see.

Wiper is the lowest of the low in the Engine Department. They wiped and cleaned and otherwise assisted where needed. I'm a 3rd Assistant Engineer, the lowest engineering officer.

138 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:07:31pm

re: #135 Big Steve

He is listed as a member of the crew with the job of "wiper". Anyone know what that is?


I suspect it involves the Poop Deck.

139 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:08:18pm

re: #135 Big Steve

Wipers are just as important as 3rd Assistant Engineers in my book...

;)

140 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:08:35pm

re: #135 Big Steve

OT but I just found on Ancestry.com a copy of the ship manifest from the merchant marines where my father worked his way from India to the West Coast in 1946. He is listed as a member of the crew with the job of "wiper". Anyone know what that is? Either way, just a way cool thing to see.

Engine room crew, lowest rank cleans up (wipes) and does other duties as instructed.

141 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:08:57pm

re: #135 Big Steve

Wiper (occupation)

A wiper is the most junior crewmember in the engine room of a ship. Their role consists of cleaning the engine spaces and machinery, and assisting the engineers as directed.

In the United States Merchant Marine, in order to be occupied as a wiper a person has to have a Merchant Mariner's Document and STCW certificate issued by the United States Coast Guard. Because of international conventions and agreements, all wipers who sail internationally are similarly documented by their respective countries.

142 jvic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:10:00pm

Charles writes, "And here: Rebels With a Cause."

LOS member and Washington Times national reporter Robert Stacy McCain says in an essay posted on the League’s main site, slavery was “generally” characterized by “cordial and affectionate relations” between white and black Southerners.

The linked SPLC article does not provide a specific reference. Iirc the SPLC has been accused of leftist partisanship.

Fortunately, the Wayback Machine makes the primary source available. Go here, click on "Dixieland Gazette" in the lefthand column, and you will be taken to a list of articles including two by McCain. The quoted passage is in "A Flyer for Rome,(Georgia), When Old Abe Comes Again".

There may be more by McCain at the archived site. McCain already took more of my time than he is worth, so I didn't look.

143 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:11:31pm

re: #139 WindHorse

Wipers are just as important as 3rd Assistant Engineers in my book...

;)

Cute ;)

They are important, as many wipers I know have worked there way up to at least Deck Machinst or Refrigeration Engineer in MSC so far... Not to mention they do the job of making sure the rag bins and trash is taken out every night, the clean rag bins are full of clean rags, the deck and machinery is kept clean and free of leaking oil, and sometimes they assist us in repairing machinery when we need them.

144 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:13:27pm

So. I've been gone for ten days. Found my dream house on the Maine coast. Kept monastic silence for three whole days. Bought a new left-handed .308 cal. Savage hunter with scope for a song. Haven't had wireless the whole time.

So, how many flounces did I miss?

145 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:13:36pm

re: #142 jvic

Charles writes, "And here: Rebels With a Cause."

The linked SPLC article does not provide a specific reference. Iirc the SPLC has been accused of leftist partisanship.

Leftist bias or not, if you ever find something at the Southern Poverty Law Center that is not true, please let me know.

I've been reading it for years, and I've found them to be very accurate and honest.

146 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:13:45pm

re: #143 Hengineer

Can oilers or wipers still work themselves up into officer positions (ie. sea time etc.) or do you need a degree from an academy now?

just curious.

(I wasn't meaning to slam you btw)

147 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:13:53pm

re: #137 Hengineer

Wiper is the lowest of the low in the Engine Department. They wiped and cleaned and otherwise assisted where needed. I'm a 3rd Assistant Engineer, the lowest engineering officer.

That would make sense because he was a large (6'6"...I come by Big Steve legitimately) 16 year old, working across just after WWII to go to college. It was his first time on a MM ship. He always said he did grunt work.

148 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:14:05pm

Hey Cato!! Sure missed you. Sounds like you had fun!

149 jvic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:14:51pm

re: #145 Charles

Leftist bias or not, if you ever find something at the Southern Poverty Law Center that is not true, please let me know.

I've been reading it for years, and I've found them to be very accurate and honest.

"Trust, but verify."

150 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:14:55pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

So. I've been gone for ten days. Found my dream house on the Maine coast. Kept monastic silence for three whole days. Bought a new left-handed .308 cal. Savage hunter with scope for a song. Haven't had wireless the whole time.

So, how many flounces did I miss?

Quite a few today, including one outright racist who talked about taking up a collection to send Maxine Waters and Cynthia McKinney "back to Africa."

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:15:00pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

About 15.

152 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:15:06pm

re: #146 WindHorse

Can oilers or wipers still work themselves up into officer positions (ie. sea time etc.) or do you need a degree from an academy now?

just curious.

(I wasn't meaning to slam you btw)

Oh I know ;). Its still technically possible, but it seems that the Coast guard is making it harder and harder for unlicensed to hawsepipe it.

For those that don't know, to work your way up from being an unlicensed to being a licensed officer without getting one from one of the Maritime Academies is called "Hawsepiping".

153 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:15:56pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

So. I've been gone for ten days. Found my dream house on the Maine coast. Kept monastic silence for three whole days. Bought a new left-handed .308 cal. Savage hunter with scope for a song. Haven't had wireless the whole time.

So, how many flounces did I miss?

Its been Flounce city...

154 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:17:48pm

tattoo for the LGF crowd...Podarcis sicula

155 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:19:09pm

re: #150 Charles

Quite a few today, including one outright racist who talked about taking up a collection to send Maxine Waters and Cynthia McKinney "back to Africa."

Hoo, boy.

Any long-time lizards?

156 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:21:59pm

I never realized how many mariner videos on youtube there are

157 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:24:19pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

So. I've been gone for ten days. Found my dream house on the Maine coast. Kept monastic silence for three whole days. Bought a new left-handed .308 cal. Savage hunter with scope for a song. Haven't had wireless the whole time.

So, how many flounces did I miss?

Monastic and guns... sounds awful bitter and clingy to me.

/ ;-P Welcome back, sounds like a good time!

158 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:24:47pm

I noticed on the American Renaissance site a link called "A Skull That Rewrites the History of Man" - it's a story that appeared recently in the UK newspaper "The Independent". The article suggests that man may have done some of his evolution in Eurasia after leaving Africa, and then returned to Africa to complete his evolution before leaving Africa again and populating the rest of the world. However, the comments on that thread are full of racist morons denying that the human species came out of Africa period. It seems these creeps really need to believe that there is something genetically special about Europeans that is not shared by Africans.

159 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:26:19pm

Notice the similarity between Stephen Green's response to this issue and that idiot at American Thinker's response to the Jerome Corsi stuff I posted -- neither one of them cares at all that they're supporting people with links to white supremacist groups.

160 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:27:10pm

OT:
Drudge notes the Dow closed yesterday at 9605, the same as on 9/10/01.

161 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:27:51pm

re: #158 Jimmah

I noticed on the American Renaissance site a link called "A Skull That Rewrites the History of Man" - it's a story that appeared recently in the UK newspaper "The Independent". The article suggests that man may have done some of his evolution in Eurasia after leaving Africa, and then returned to Africa to complete his evolution before leaving Africa again and populating the rest of the world. However, the comments on that thread are full of racist morons denying that the human species came out of Africa period. It seems these creeps really need to believe that there is something genetically special about Europeans that is not shared by Africans.

Whats interesting is that humans are still evolving. I saw a magazine article that looked at the mitochondrial DNA (from the mother) and the Y-Chromosome (from the father), and used that to trace exactly where we all came from, and they found that somewhere in Eastern Africa, is where all modern humans originate.

162 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:28:25pm

Beer Flavored Ice Cream

What'll they think of next!

163 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #161 Hengineer

Whats interesting is that humans are still evolving. I saw a magazine article that looked at the mitochondrial DNA (from the mother) and the Y-Chromosome (from the father), and used that to trace exactly where we all came from, and they found that somewhere in Eastern Africa, is where all modern humans originate.

they also tracked the slight mutations in the Mitochondrial DNA and the Y-chromosome over the years, just to show how we've been evolving to this day.

164 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:29:28pm

re: #161 Hengineer

Whats interesting is that humans are still evolving. I saw a magazine article that looked at the mitochondrial DNA (from the mother) and the Y-Chromosome (from the father), and used that to trace exactly where we all came from, and they found that somewhere in Eastern Africa, is where all modern humans originate.

We can all check the box african-american and really muck things up...

165 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:30:28pm

re: #164 jcm

We can all check the box african-american and really muck things up...

lmao exactly.

166 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:31:21pm

re: #159 Charles

Notice the similarity between Stephen Green's response to this issue and that idiot at American Thinker's response to the Jerome Corsi stuff I posted -- neither one of them cares at all that they're supporting people with links to white supremacist groups.

Yet, they care enough to complain about the "unfortunate turn" LGF has taken. From what they hear. Because they don't read LGF.

I'm off to a mariachi concert. See y'all a las Lunes.

167 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:31:51pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Yet, they care enough to complain about the "unfortunate turn" LGF has taken. From what they hear. Because they don't read LGF.

I'm off to a mariachi concert. See y'all a las Lunes.

Enjoy the Mexican polka!

168 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Yet, they care enough to complain about the "unfortunate turn" LGF has taken. From what they hear. Because they don't read LGF.

I'm off to a mariachi concert. See y'all a las Lunes.

169 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:33:31pm

re: #161 Hengineer

Whats interesting is that humans are still evolving. I saw a magazine article that looked at the mitochondrial DNA (from the mother) and the Y-Chromosome (from the father), and used that to trace exactly where we all came from, and they found that somewhere in Eastern Africa, is where all modern humans originate.

Yep - that is what science is telling us. These people want to argue with DNA? lol I predict at some point these morons will start coming out with arguments to the effect that DNA reveals nothing about ancestry at all. It's either that or accept reality, and I don't see them doing that somehow.

170 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #169 Jimmah

Yep - that is what science is telling us. These people want to argue with DNA? lol I predict at some point these morons will start coming out with arguments to the effect that DNA reveals nothing about ancestry at all. It's either that or accept reality, and I don't see them doing that somehow.

It's a trick of Stan! DNA a staircase to hell!

171 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:34:57pm

re: #164 jcm

We can all check the box african-american and really muck things up...

When I lived in Germany I checked "Jewish" on the census just to mess with their Köpfen.

172 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:35:06pm

re: #160 Taqyia2Me

OT:
Drudge notes the Dow closed yesterday at 9605, the same as on 9/10/01.

The US bond market has four times the capital in it than the equities market which the Dow tracks. If one excludes new money the bond market has increased its net worth by 80% since 9/11

173 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:35:27pm
174 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:36:07pm

re: #173 Hawaiian cocoNUT

you just did, good riddance

175 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:36:15pm

re: #169 Jimmah

Yep - that is what science is telling us. These people want to argue with DNA? lol I predict at some point these morons will start coming out with arguments to the effect that DNA reveals nothing about ancestry at all. It's either that or accept reality, and I don't see them doing that somehow.

Its not just DNA, its mitochondrial DNA, which really does form an exactly copy from the Mother, as the one from the sperm dies when it hits the egg. But as always a mutation sometimes happens, and therefore you can track it exactly where it goes.

176 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:36:21pm

Flounce away, little flounceling.

177 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:36:25pm

re: #173 Hawaiian cocoNUT

Quit logging in. Have fun hanging with racists and their friends!

178 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:37:45pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

When I lived in Germany I checked "Jewish" on the census just to mess with their Köpfen.

I knew a gal in college from Zimbabwe, born there family were farmers run off by Mugbabe, they'd been there for generations. Blond air blued eyed and insisted on checking African American. When challenged she'd say she was born there.

179 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:37:57pm

Anyone who could read what I posted above, and then decide it's me who's in the wrong here -- well, good riddance.

180 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:38:00pm

re: #162 jcm

Beer Flavored Ice Cream

What'll they think of next!

EEEWWW!

181 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:38:55pm

re: #180 Cathypop

EEEWWW!

it's worth considering...imo

182 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:39:00pm

re: #180 Cathypop

EEEWWW!

I don't think so; a stout might make a good ice cream flavor.

183 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:39:43pm

re: #178 jcm

I knew a gal in college from Zimbabwe, born there family were farmers run off by Mugbabe, they'd been there for generations. Blond air blued eyed and insisted on checking African American. When challenged she'd say she was born there.

And she had every right to. I had a friend in college at California Maritime who was "Native American", and would check that box. He even won a scholarship from the NAACP at one point yet he looks as white as I do. He showed up at NAACP to get his check, and he said that they kept giving him strange looks...

184 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:39:59pm

re: #180 Cathypop

EEEWWW!

hmmm beer

185 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:40:13pm

I really love all these personal responsibility types who can't take responsibility for themselves enough to just not log in to LGF.

186 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:40:35pm

re: #181 albusteve

it's worth considering...imo


Sweet beer? No way.
And welcome back

187 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:40:40pm

re: #182 Kosh's Shadow

I don't think so; a stout might make a good ice cream flavor.

I'm thinking of a good scotch... I think the malt flavor might work well with ice cream.

188 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:41:39pm

re: #187 Hengineer

I'm thinking of a good scotch... I think the malt flavor might work well with ice cream.

Now that I can work with. HMMM!

189 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:42:02pm

re: #186 Cathypop

Sweet beer? No way.
And welcome back

thanks...how about a Shiner Shake?...think about it

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:42:37pm

Tea-party people, be wary of the Birchmen who run the tea-party show. They wish it exploit you for their own ends; they run with Death.

191 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:42:45pm

Uh oh.

Another Peter Sinclair video just came out.

I'm about to be a very bad conservative again.

192 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:43:04pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

I really love all these personal responsibility types who can't take responsibility for themselves enough to just not log in to LGF.

I think that these Unexpected Flounce Off's (UFO's) are sock puppet accounts and the person around in some other form.

193 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:43:18pm

re: #189 albusteve

thanks...how about a Shiner Shake?...think about it

What is a Shiner Shake? Is that with a Shiner Bach?

194 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:44:07pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

I really love all these personal responsibility types who can't take responsibility for themselves enough to just not log in to LGF.

It's very important to them to let Daddy know how much they hate him.

195 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:44:55pm

re: #193 Cathypop

What is a Shiner Shake? Is that with a Shiner Bach?

yeah...Fat Tire Float, Molson Malt...etc

196 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:45:26pm

re: #175 Hengineer

Its not just DNA, its mitochondrial DNA, which really does form an exactly copy from the Mother, as the one from the sperm dies when it hits the egg. But as always a mutation sometimes happens, and therefore you can track it exactly where it goes.

Exactly. The BBC did an excellent series recently about the evolution and migration of human beings out of Africa called "Mans Incredible Journey". I recommend it if you haven't seen it already. Debunks a number of myths along the way including the Chinese theory that they (the Chinese) are genetically distinct from the rest of humanity, and the theory that Europeans are genetically distinct because of the input of (don't laugh now) Neanderthal genes. Interestingly, some racists still cling to that last one. Gotta get their genetic specialness from somewhere/

197 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:46:12pm

re: #195 albusteve

yeah...Fat Tire Float, Molson Malt...etc

Now a Flat Tire Float with some really good vanilla icecream could do it. OOOHH! That could work.

198 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:46:37pm

re: #196 Jimmah

Exactly. The BBC did an excellent series recently about the evolution and migration of human beings out of Africa called "Mans Incredible Journey". I recommend it if you haven't seen it already. Debunks a number of myths along the way including the Chinese theory that they (the Chinese) are genetically distinct from the rest of humanity, and the theory that Europeans are genetically distinct because of the input of (don't laugh now) Neanderthal genes. Interestingly, some racists still cling to that last one. Gotta get their genetic specialness from somewhere/

What's neat is that the magazine article also talked about the Y-Chromosome which really does exactly come from the Father, so they can trace both the father and mother genes throughout history.

199 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:47:10pm

re: #194 Charles

It's very important to them to let Daddy know how much they hate him.

hate! I need somebody
hate! not just anybody
hate! you know I need someone
Chaaarles...

Lennon/McCartney

200 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:47:33pm

re: #197 Cathypop

Now a Flat Tire Float with some really good vanilla icecream could do it. OOOHH! That could work.

I never got into Fat Tire, for some reason the smell always put me off.

201 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:47:44pm

Yes folks...this just in...Charles is not the father of anyone who posts here. He is just a guy with a popular and interesting blog. If you don't like the site don't hit the mouse. If you have an account and don't like what is going on, just disappear and leave us all to wonder.

202 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:47:46pm

re: #196 Jimmah

Exactly. The BBC did an excellent series recently about the evolution and migration of human beings out of Africa called "Mans Incredible Journey". I recommend it if you haven't seen it already. Debunks a number of myths along the way including the Chinese theory that they (the Chinese) are genetically distinct from the rest of humanity, and the theory that Europeans are genetically distinct because of the input of (don't laugh now) Neanderthal genes. Interestingly, some racists still cling to that last one. Gotta get their genetic specialness from somewhere/

Yeah! I'm a Neanderthal!
*with a pick up line like that they'll be extinct soon*

I can see the t-shirts now... Neanderthal Pride!

203 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:48:09pm

re: #202 jcm

Yeah! I'm a Neanderthal!
*with a pick up line like that they'll be extinct soon*

I can see the t-shirts now... Neanderthal Pride!

Well at least the Geico commercials make sense now...

204 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:48:29pm

re: #200 Hengineer

I never got into Fat Tire, for some reason the smell always put me off.

well, you don't smell beer...you drink it...try again

205 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:48:58pm

re: #200 Hengineer

I never got into Fat Tire, for some reason the smell always put me off.

I like their 1554 and Abbey, Fat Tire not so much.

206 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:49:28pm

re: #204 albusteve

well, you don't smell beer...you drink it...try again


Good one!

207 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:49:49pm

re: #204 albusteve

well, you don't smell beer...you drink it...try again

Heh, last time I checked, the smell is a large part of the taste.
I enjoy other beers, just not that one.

208 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:50:49pm

re: #207 Hengineer

Heh, last time I checked, the smell is a large part of the taste.
I enjoy other beers, just not that one.

I drink a Fatty because it's expensive...good for my esteem

209 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:52:04pm

Just read the updates. Good work Charles. Anyone that doesn't see the light here is cannot and never will see.

210 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #201 Big Steve

Yes folks...this just in...Charles is not the father of anyone who posts here.

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

211 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:52:50pm

re: #208 albusteve

I drink a Fatty because it's expensive...good for my esteem

lol, have you tried Anchor Steam? Brewed in San Fransisco and has a very stout flavor. Then there are the imports that are very good, like the ones from Mexico, like Pacifico and Dos Equis...

212 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:53:02pm

re: #210 Charles

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

daddy?

213 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:54:23pm

re: #210 Charles

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

groan

214 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:54:27pm

re: #211 Hengineer

lol, have you tried Anchor Steam? Brewed in San Fransisco and has a very stout flavor. Then there are the imports that are very good, like the ones from Mexico, like Pacifico and Dos Equis...

I'm a dark and bitter guy...

My beer that is... not there's anything wrong wi...

oh heck I'll give up while I'm behind.

215 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:54:55pm

re: #214 jcm

I'm a dark and bitter guy...

My beer that is... not there's anything wrong wi...

oh heck I'll give up while I'm behind.

I could say something about you being behind, but nevermind ;)

216 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:55:07pm

re: #210 Charles

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

Then where are the child support checks?

/;-P

217 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:55:42pm

did you hear the one about the butcher that backed into the meat grinder and got a little behind in his work?

218 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:56:17pm

re: #217 WindHorse

did you hear the one about the butcher that backed into the meat grinder and got a little behind in his work?

I woulda thought that butchers had big behinds, but that's just what I've heard.

219 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:56:34pm
220 Big Steve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:57:10pm

re: #210 Charles

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

Yea you you are younger than me...so even rock star drugs couldn't pull that off!

221 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:57:57pm

re: #211 Hengineer

lol, have you tried Anchor Steam? Brewed in San Fransisco and has a very stout flavor. Then there are the imports that are very good, like the ones from Mexico, like Pacifico and Dos Equis...

no Corona?...man, you are dark and bitter

222 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #221 albusteve

no Corona?...man, you are dark and bitter

Corona's ok, just a little overrated. Pacifico is another light beer brewed in Mazatlan, Mexico, on the Pacific side of things. Try it out sometime: you can get it almost anywhere I've tried in the USA.

223 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 5:59:49pm

re: #221 albusteve

no Corona?...man, you are dark and bitter

Very...

224 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:00:01pm

re: #210 Charles

Luke, I am your father!

225 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:00:12pm

re: #202 jcm

Yeah! I'm a Neanderthal!
*with a pick up line like that they'll be extinct soon*

I can see the t-shirts now... Neanderthal Pride!

I find it quite ironic that these racist morons, who are so concerned with the notion of 'superiority', would go begging for genetic scraps from the Neanderthals, a species who according to their own doctrines have been judged losers in the biological scheme of things.

226 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:00:19pm
227 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:00:20pm

re: #222 Hengineer

Corona's ok, just a little overrated. Pacifico is another light beer brewed in Mazatlan, Mexico, on the Pacific side of things. Try it out sometime: you can get it almost anywhere I've tried in the USA.

I've used every Mexican beer there is...even been drunk in Mexico a few times

228 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:01:40pm

re: #223 jcm

Very...

creepy...drink enough of that stuff and bullets simply bounce off you I've heard

229 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:02:23pm

Good evening LGF.
Nice to see you albusteve, I hope you are feeling better.

230 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:03:07pm

re: #194 Charles

It's very important to them to let Daddy know how much they hate him.

Maybe you should have an "unregister" form that claims to send you their message directly. Then they can unregister and you can send their message to you right to the bit bucket.

231 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #229 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.
Nice to see you albusteve, I hope you are feeling better.

Less pain!
Tastes great!

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:04:35pm

Charles, I stubbed my toe getting into the shower today. It is obvious that the edge of my tub is a pro-Marxist, commie agitator that was bent on doing evil to my very pro-capitalist pinky toe.

Sure, if some crazy, capitalist pinky toes go around stomping commie bathtubs, that's big news here, but when the reverse happens? Crickets.

CHARLES, WHY AREN'T YOU REPORTING ON THIS!!
/

233 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:04:37pm

Any flouncings today?

234 researchok  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:04:58pm

There was a time when character was defined by standing by real principles, irrespective of whether or not that stand was popular or not.

Now it appears that a necessary component of 'character' is popularity- the approval of a group is sufficient to make any cause, individual or government, moral, no matter how ugly or hypocritical they might be.

Looking askance and not rocking the boat are now part of the moral identity for many- and for Stephen Green all it took was a couple of drinks.

235 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:05:19pm

re: #222 Hengineer

Corona's ok, just a little overrated. Pacifico is another light beer brewed in Mazatlan, Mexico, on the Pacific side of things. Try it out sometime: you can get it almost anywhere I've tried in the USA.


Pacifico is on of my favorites

236 Hengineer  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:06:28pm

re: #233 BignJames

Any flouncings today?

lol another question!

yes

237 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:07:55pm

re: #236 Hengineer

lol another question!

yes


Over the "Tea Parties"?

238 Cathypop  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:10:43pm

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

Charles, I stubbed my toe getting into the shower today. It is obvious that the edge of my tub is a pro-Marxist, commie agitator that was bent on doing evil to my very pro-capitalist pinky toe.

Sure, if some crazy, capitalist pinky toes go around stomping commie bathtubs, that's big news here, but when the reverse happens? Crickets.

CHARLES, WHY AREN'T YOU REPORTING ON THIS!!
/

OH! OH! ALERT THE MEDIA! SB STUBBED HIS TOE! Oh woes is me!

239 jcm  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:11:13pm

re: #238 Cathypop

OH! OH! ALERT THE MEDIA! SB STUBBED HIS TOE! Oh woes is me!

Call out FEMA!

240 albusteve  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:11:20pm

re: #234 researchok

There was a time when character was defined by standing by real principles, irrespective of whether or not that stand was popular or not.

Now it appears that a necessary component of 'character' is popularity- the approval of a group is sufficient to make any cause, individual or government, moral, no matter how ugly or hypocritical they might be.

Looking askance and not rocking the boat are now part of the moral identity for many- and for Stephen Green all it took was a couple of drinks.

AmIdol politics...it's the new fashion and it's insidious because it's a way to be heard...there will be more and worse imo...showtime!

241 Linden Arden  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:12:12pm

re: #211 Hengineer

lol, have you tried Anchor Steam? Brewed in San Fransisco and has a very stout flavor. Then there are the imports that are very good, like the ones from Mexico, like Pacifico and Dos Equis...

I love amber Dos Euis - 4.7 content... I went to Ixtapa with 60 Americans and I only drank the Amber - and I alone survived Montezuma.

242 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:12:18pm

re: #237 BignJames

no... not exactly... more like putting mouth (keyboard) into gear before engaging brain...

243 sunshine  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:16:42pm

Charles, check out the 331 post next thread down. Wondering why this has been allowed to stay up so long?

244 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:19:02pm

re: #242 WindHorse

no... not exactly... more like putting mouth (keyboard) into gear before engaging brain...

Did a quick tour upthread...only saw one.

245 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:37:43pm

Of course this is not racism, it's objective observation:

246 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:42:03pm
McCain is a member of the white supremacist group League of the South

I wonder if he has one of those "anti-racist" Nathan Bedford Forrest T-shirts they peddle over there.

247 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:47:41pm

re: #243 sunshine

Charles, check out the 331 post next thread down. Wondering why this has been allowed to stay up so long?

Maybe because I didn't see it?

Or maybe you think I'm watching every comment posted at LGF?

Where have you been, by the way? There's a report button on comments like that, and it takes one click to let me know.

248 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 6:51:20pm

re: #210 Charles

I wouldn't be so sure about that -- I was a touring musician for a lot of years.

Ba-dum-bump.

*howl*

249 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:26:14pm

Posted over there - I assume it will get past moderation -

WTF?

When do we get to get past the ad hominem crap?

OK – Charles Johnson has pissed a lot of people on the right off. But he never claimed to be a righty. And I didn’t hear anyone complaining when he was being “condescending” to Islamists, Obamatons, and all of the BDS crap that dominated the left.

So there is a simple question – is CJ right or wrong about Stacy McCain? If he is wrong, refute it conclusively and he’ll be shamed for calling the guy out. But if it comes down to a defense akin to “This is not the Reverend Wright that I knew” then some people need to get a grip.

Which is the whole point of what Johnson has been posting on for a while.

250 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:02:50pm

re: #249 karmic_inquisitor

Posted over there - I assume it will get past moderation -

If you need any more evidence of how deranged those people are, just go look at what's being posted now.

251 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, Agnostic Jew means, agnostic as a belief and Jew as a decent?

It can be as simple as that, but for some individuals it's more nuanced -- for example, a person who self-describes as a "Jewish atheist" might mean, in essence, "the God I don't believe in is the Jewish one, as opposed to the one that ex-Christian atheists don't believe in."

If this seems silly at first glance, consider that atheists who were raised Christian are apt to spend a certain amount of time arguing that the doctrine of the Trinity is logically incoherent, precisely because Trinitarianism is so central to the definition of God that they were brought up with (and then walked away from). But to atheists who were raised in Judaism, it's a total non-issue whether "God is Three Persons in One" makes sense or not.

252 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:19pm

re: #241 Linden Arden

I love amber Dos Euis - 4.7 content... I went to Ixtapa with 60 Americans and I only drank the Amber - and I alone survived Montezuma.

Heh! That's a big reason why so many primitive cultures independently developed some variant on the "beer" recipe -- it's a way to store water so that it remains safely drinkable. The insoxification (hic!) is just caking on the ice...

253 Former Belgian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:51:41pm

Point of detail:

Not defending RSMcC, but I followed the link to the rancid "cesspool" site out of curiosity (I am a strong believer in knowing the enemy), and the post actually mocks "this bozo" (as he refers to RSMcC) as living in fantasyland (like a laundry list of conservatives discussed in the same screed). Link in context:

When should we expect to see that, exactly? When the percentage of people in California who speak a foreign language at home hits 60%? Oh yeah, I forgot – immigrants bring a lot of energy to this country and are going to reinvigorate the GOP. Just ask Rush! He’ll tell ya! Plus, this bozo found a Nigerian cab driver who loves Rush Limbaugh, so it’s all good!

(Link pointed to site in original, not to Google cache.)

254 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:03:48pm
255 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:44pm

And another flouncer heard from.

256 medaura18586  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:47:03pm

Now RS McCain is attacking MPH at his blog. I need to go to bed right now, but since he has decided to go down that road, he'll get a proper response tomorrow. I can't believe this...

257 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:49:16pm

re: #256 medaura18586

Now RS McCain is attacking MPH at his blog. I need to go to bed right now, but since he has decided to go down that road, he'll get a proper response tomorrow. I can't believe this...

Is he? I'll do the same. Robert Stack (or Sydney) McCain is a low life.

258 mph  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:14am

[Link: 74.125.93.132...]

His technique should be obvious by now...

You cannot build a successful political movement by a process of subtraction, and building a winning coalition is impossible if you organize on losing principles. Allowing your opposition to dictate the terms of acceptable discourse is a losing principle, as Jeff Goldstein has striven to explain. Ergo, Johnson manifests a defeatist tendency when he pronounces Geller and Spencer "untouchables" because they attended a European conference whose promoters included some unsavory characters.

Was there any genuine danger that Geller and Spencer would return from Brussels singing the Horst Wessel Lied as they goosestepped down Broadway arm-in-arm with David Duke? Or, as I think far more likely, was Johnston concerned that the presence of a neo-Nazi element at Brussels would be used by liberals to discredit mainstream conservatism?

This is the kind of Republican flinch reflex -- "Oh, we can't say that, it might make the liberals angry!" -- that annoys the crap out of me. Look, we've all been officially branded "Rightwing Extremists," so what's the point of this fearful, defensive, cringing quest for "respectability"?

259 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:02:43am

re: #258 mph

Wow. So now respectability is is a bad thing. Since they lack it in the circles he runs with, I'm sure it is viewed as unimportant, though I find it rather telling.


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Don Ross - a Million Brazilian Civilians (Solo Guitar)From 'A Million Brazilian Civilians' CDs, Guitar Tabs, & Downloads available: candyrat.com Buy/Listenitunes: itunes.apple.comApple Music: itun.esAmazon: Link: a.coSpotify: open.spotify.comTidal: listen.tidal.comGoogle: play.google.com Visit Don Ross athttp://donrossonline.com and facebook.com Dons plays custom guitars made by luthier Marc Beneteau
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South Korea rebuffs Trump’s $1 billion use-charge for a US missile-defense system Trump said that he wanted South Korea to pay for the anti-missile defense system, which he estimates to cost $1 billion, and also intended to renegotiate or terminate a free-trade pact with the country because of a "deep trade ...
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The Grifter’s Real Game? Psychology - Science Friday The grifter, the con artist, the flimflammer—the confidence man (or woman) goes by many names. But what the best of them have in common, according to The Confidence Game author Maria Konnikova, is an uncanny knack for understanding human ...
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Perception Scientist Says Reality Is ‘What Proved Useful in the Past’ Later in his explanation, he cites language as a clear example of something that’s part of our reality but only exists in our collective imagination. “It doesn’t exist without us,” he writes. “But it is very much part of ...
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STEALTHING: the Growing Movement of Men Who Secretly Remove Condoms During Sex Two years ago, a 19-year-old Florida teen posted a call for advice in the subreddit askgaybros. In the post, he said he met a guy on Grindr and went back to his place to hook up. When the guy ...
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Trump-Free Sunday Mornings-Daily Beast We think it’s time to go on a more balanced Donald Diet—call it a Sabbath for sanity. And that’s why we’re going to embark on a new experiment: Trump-free Sunday mornings. Barring major breaking news, for a few hours ...
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Video: John Muir - The Last Oasis John Muir - The Last Oasis is a short film directed by Michael Coleman a Martinez, California native inspired by the writings of naturalist, author and early advocate of wilderness preservation John Muir. Many of the locations featured in ...
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