ABC News Misquoted By Naderite Tea Partier

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ABC News has issued a statement to correct the false crowd numbers reported by Naderite Matt Kibbe at today’s tea party demonstration: Protest Crowd Size Estimate Falsely Attributed to ABC News.

Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration’s health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as “tens of thousands.”

Brendan Steinhauser, spokesman for FreedomWorks, said he did not know why Kibbe cited ABC News as a source.

As a result of Kibbe’s erroneous attribution, several bloggers and commenters repeated the misinformation.

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196 comments
1 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:48:45pm

I knew it. That's what it looked like to me.

2 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:50:25pm
3 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:50:56pm

Malkin and Instapundit were claiming something like 2.3 million.

4 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51:41pm

They were talking out of their asses. Even that video link was well under 100k

5 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51:52pm

It seems the 2 million figure originated from a Democrat.

But there is some confusion over how many people will show up, and where Democrats are getting their estimates. A House leadership aide warned fellow Democrats in a memo obtained by FOXNews.com that up to 2 million people may attend.

"It looks like Saturday's event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people," Doug Thornell, an aide to Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., wrote, noting that a demonstration held Thursday turned into an impromptu rally for Rep. Joe Wilson, who has come under fire for his outburst during Obama's nationally televised speech to a joint session of Congress

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

6 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:52:10pm

I heard they were all ten feet tall...

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:52:23pm

Aren't there some Palis who can show them how to photo-shop a crowd?

8 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #6 WindHorse

I heard they were all ten feet tall...

... and bulletproof!

9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:52:39pm

Man.

Is it a full moon tonight?

10 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:52:42pm

Barely a few tens of thousands on the actual Mall.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:53:21pm

Tea Party folks learned how to multiply from the Million Man March guys.

12 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:53:37pm

Nader people? I was wondering what happened to them. Color me not surprised.

13 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:53:38pm

re: #10 Coracle

It looked like they had enough to fill a football stadium.

14 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:54:40pm

I didn't see any aerial shots. Just that one traffic cam of the crowded street, and a bunch of low angle stuff.

15 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:54:50pm

re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tea Party folks learned how to multiply from the Million Man March guys.

97,423 guys and one hot dog vendor!

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:54:50pm

Seriously (and I'm not drunk, yet) I wonder if they were counting the people at all the tea parties nationwide. There were a bunch.

17 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:54:58pm

re: #9 Charles

Man.

Is it a full moon tonight?

I don't know but I decided this evening that I would rather pay 2.5% penalty on my taxes than let any of these people get into power let alone the White House.

18 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:55:20pm

I am surprised that the MFM is not reporting that it was a no show.

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:55:35pm

re: #9 Charles

Man.

Is it a full moon tonight?

Well...it is SHININ!

(DRINK!)

20 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:55:53pm

re: #13 trendsurfer

It looked like they had enough to fill a football stadium.

That'll put you in the 60-80K range, tops. Wembly stadium is 90K.

21 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:57:19pm
22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:57:24pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aren't there some Palis who can show them how to photo-shop a crowd?

Speaking of which... Tell me you wouldn't laugh it "Rage Boy" was there in the crowd.

23 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #20 Coracle

That'll put you in the 60-80K range, tops. Wembly stadium is 90K.

60-80K is a Phys Ed class at Michigan.

24 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:57:58pm

re: #21 NeoKong

Dailyfail?

25 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:58:27pm

re: #21 NeoKong

Hey Coracle...you better read up boy.
Everyone says that crowd was huge.
Daily Mail [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Who are you calling boy? Was "Everyone" actually there? I was.

26 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:58:29pm

I have seen concerts in Central Park that drew well over a million... the numbers game is a house game.

I am estimating this crowd at right about the million mark.

27 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:59:24pm

It's not the size that matters.

28 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:59:43pm

1.5 million is a lot of people. Not even Wilt Chamberlain would make that claim.

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:00:16pm

re: #26 brookly red

I have seen concerts in Central Park that drew well over a million... the numbers game is a house game.

I am estimating this crowd at right about the million mark.

Not even close.

30 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:00:54pm

re: #29 Charles

...you aren't including all the voices in their heads I see...

31 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:01:05pm

There is a woman at the USC/ Georgia game VERY blessed in the Bosom, jumping up and down!

Root for your team, baby!

32 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:01:10pm

re: #27 Racer X

It's not the size that matters.

Its how outraged the credulous are.

33 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:02:17pm

re: #27 Racer X

It's not the size that matters.

Try playing against a 6'3" point guard then get back with me...
No matter what..Size always matters...
/I know where this is going...Let's see if you can handle it..*wink*

34 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:02:19pm

USC/Ga...nah that's Ohio State beating USC.

35 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:02:52pm

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36 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:03:04pm

Here's another march on the Mall for crowd size comparison:
[Link: www.amberdragonflypress.com...]

37 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:03:20pm

A Naderite is reporting on this?
Oh well, it is unsafe at any count.

38 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:04:04pm

re: #34 trendsurfer

USC/Ga...nah that's Ohio State beating USC.

South Carolina/Georgia. I keep forgetting there is a less well known USC... :)

39 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:04:32pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops

Try playing against a 6'3" point guard then get back with me...
No matter what..Size always matters...
/I know where this is going...Let's see if you can handle it..*wink*

I'm 6'2"

But my knees say "yeah right".

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:04:35pm

re: #31 SteveC

There is a woman at the USC/ Georgia game VERY blessed in the Bosom, jumping up and down!

Root for your team, baby!

Wrong teams, but I've totally got the visual.

Hooray for boobies!

41 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:05:16pm

Here is a video purporting to be from today's protest:

Youtube Video

Now the youtube poster claims 1.5 to 2 million... yet if you watch the march as it leaves its origin and moves down the street, you can see that the end of the crowd and the beginning of the crowd are still in the shot.

I very much doubt that is 1 million people. 100,000 maybe, or perhaps a bit more.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:05:32pm

re: #31 SteveC

Oh... the other USC

43 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:05:59pm

re: #41 freetoken

Here is a video purporting to be from today's protest:


[Video]

Now the youtube poster claims 1.5 to 2 million... yet if you watch the march as it leaves its origin and moves down the street, you can see that the end of the crowd and the beginning of the crowd are still in the shot.

I very much doubt that is 1 million people. 100,000 maybe, or perhaps a bit more.

That's my estimate too. Around 100,000, tops.

44 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:15pm

re: #30 WindHorse

...you aren't including all the voices in their heads I see...

I see 7 figure crowds all the time, it's not that big a deal... but it is what it is.

45 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:27pm

Only 70-80 thousand my ass.

46 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:31pm

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh... the other USC

"Not them...THEM!"

47 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:32pm

C'mon OSU, fake punt, please! Have some nutsac Tressel!

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:37pm

re: #43 Charles

So the claim is just from the mall? Not Texas.. etc?

49 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:41pm

re: #38 SteveC

Oh, I thought you were watching the current game on ESPN.

50 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:44pm

At least it wasn't named the "Million Tea Partier March." Then the real numbers would have been very embarrassing. As it is 60,000 - 70,000 is rather impressive.

51 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:06:58pm

OT, but it looks like the VW Beetle design might have been stolen from a Jew.
Article here

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:07:27pm

re: #45 Erik The Red

Counting the guy on the roof? He may have just been maintenance.

53 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:07:27pm

re: #39 Racer X

I'm 6'2"

But my knees say "yeah right".

Are you are Baller? 6'2" is perfect for pickup games...Did you play in school?

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:07:28pm

re: #26 brookly red

I have seen concerts in Central Park that drew well over a million... the numbers game is a house game.

I am estimating this crowd at right about the million mark.

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

55 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:07:32pm

Is there a reason why you folks are hung up comparing this to the Million Man March?

56 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:08:06pm

re: #45 Erik The Red

Only 70-80 thousand my ass.

You bet. A couple folks above would spot you a few more tens of thousand.

57 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:08:27pm

re: #49 trendsurfer

Oh, I thought you were watching the current game on ESPN.

*Click* ESPN2.

Good game. back and forth all night, Carolina failed on 4th and goal at Georgia's 3. Georgia 41, Carolina 37.

58 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:18pm

re: #28 cliffster

1.5 million is a lot of people. Not even Wilt Chamberlain would make that claim.

I'm pretty sure that's the number that Gene Simmons claims.

59 CJDate  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:29pm

I heard the 1 million figure and by looking at the crowd, knew it wasn't anywhere near that. It looked to be in the 100,000 - 150,000 range, looking at the live traffic cameras you can access. There the usual assortment of crazies, but mostly pretty normal looking people.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:37pm

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Youtube Video
61 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

I see Bristol Motor Speedway holds 165k.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:55pm

I honestly have no idea how to count a crowd.

63 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:09:59pm

re: #43 Charles

It may have been a bit more... as people leave as others arrive. Yet, for the origin to empty out pretty well while the front of the parade is just reaching the end of that street (at the Capitol) is about 8 blocks.

8 blocks of people is not 1 million.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:10:08pm

re: #45 Erik The Red

Only 70-80 thousand my ass.

I ask you as well:

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

65 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:10:28pm

re: #45 Erik The Red

That is a capture from the video I put up.

66 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:10:44pm

re: #53 HoosierHoops

Are you are Baller? 6'2" is perfect for pickup games...Did you play in school?

I played a little. Still shoot hoops in the driveway, but my days of going one-on-one and taking it to the rim are probably over.

*sigh*

67 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:10:55pm

Go Buckeyes!!!

68 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:11:18pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth
Bristol at full capacity is a hell of a lot more than that video showed.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:11:24pm

Without a "gate" it is all guesswork, isn't it?

70 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:11:27pm

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

71 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:11:35pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I honestly have no idea how to count a crowd.

Abacus.

72 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:11:42pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

Bristol seats (officially) about 150,000, IIRC, but I don't think that counts the infield parking.

73 pat  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:12:03pm

Caught a bit of it. It was a well behaved crowd. I did not personally see an offensive sign. The crowd was extraordinarily well behaved. My personal conclusion? Obamacare is in trouble.Tax and Cap is dead. Tax increases are in trouble. This administration is in trouble...already. Obama is in trouble. Washington Post is ...recalibrating its story. AP now has the attendance above a few score. Millions watched this on ABC and Fox. This will be only the beginning.

74 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:12:08pm

More Paulians at 912.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

75 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:12:51pm

It's not the crowd that marches,
it's the crowd that votes, that makes a difference.

76 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:12:57pm

re: #55 Charles

Is there a reason why you folks are hung up comparing this to the Million Man March?

Just because there was a big discrepancy with the numbers in that event as well. To this day there is a controversy about the size of that crowd.

77 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:01pm

re: #70 Charles

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

What?

78 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:12pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

hard to tell, a lot of seats are empty & it's not like being there but if you wanna play gottcah, I will say 30- 40K... am I close?

79 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:17pm

Crazies at 912.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Content warning.

80 KingKenrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:21pm

I don't think Kibbe's a real Naderite. Kibbe is President of CSE, which tried to get Nader on some state ballots in 2004 to hurt Kerry and help Bush. CSE is a corporate think tank that promotes deregulation.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Here's a Jake Tapper report about the effort:

[Link: www.interesting-people.org...]

I don't know who Kibbe is, but I do know Dick Armey is involved with CSE, and Armey = CSE = Nader does not compute at all.

81 pat  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:27pm

It is odd because I never even heard about this rally. I need to get out more.

82 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:27pm

re: #67 Erik The Red

Go Buckeyes!!!

Evened out the downding from Charles.

83 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:13:46pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

150,000?

84 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:14:10pm

re: #70 Charles

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

What about the 48-hour rule?

85 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:14:22pm

re: #78 brookly red

hard to tell, a lot of seats are empty & it's not like being there but if you wanna play gottcah, I will say 30- 40K... am I close?

No. That is Bristol Motor Speedway. It lists a capacity of 165,000

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:14:32pm

re: #55 Charles

Is there a reason why you folks are hung up comparing this to the Million Man March?

I made my million man march joke because it is the first protest (not really protest, but gathering) that I can remember that claims were disputed about the head count.

That's all.

87 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:14:37pm

re: #82 cliffster

Evened out the downding from Charles.

???

88 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:14:42pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone linked this stadium photo earlier today. How many spectators would you say are in this photo?

that's NASCAR so it must be ~120,000

89 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:15:12pm

re: #70 Charles

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

Only if RINO means Really Ignorant about Number Organization. Whenever I go to Atlanta Braves games I always get into the "Guess the attendance" pool. You pay $1 and make a guess, winner takes the pot. I'm always off by a lot.

I just can't count worth a damn.

90 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:15:16pm

...re: the peoples... where are they tonight?

91 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:15:22pm

Nirther at 912.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:15:41pm

re: #73 pat

Really? You didn't see an offensive sign?

Really Pat? Really?

Holy guacamole.

93 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:15:54pm

re: #73 pat

I think that's some wishful thinking. But then the Dems do seem to collapse from the pressure of FNC and Rush Limbaugh.

94 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:16:08pm

re: #80 KingKenrod

I don't think Kibbe's a real Naderite.

He promoted Ralph Nader in the 2004 election. Is there some other criteria I should use for determining whether he's a Naderite?

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:16:12pm

re: #61 Coracle

re: #72 SteveC

Are you guys sure? I heard from a reliable source that there are easily at least 5 million people in that stadium.
/

96 pat  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:16:32pm

Capital Police will give an estimate. It will be tinkered with to downplay, altho Drudge says they were caught by surprise. I suspect tho it will end up at a fairly accurate number, given that many could not even make it to the venues because of parking.

97 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:16:40pm

re: #84 MandyManners

What about the 48-hour rule?

Will there be an automatic recount? I met this guy named Chad that says he just hanging around at the Tea Party and didn't know if he was counted or not.

98 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:02pm

re: #70 Charles

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

RINPO

Republican In Numeric Precision Only

99 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:04pm

re: #85 Coracle

No. That is Bristol Motor Speedway. It lists a capacity of 165,000

well I tend to estimate conservatively... but again the house is not full.

100 Truck Monkey  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:27pm

re: #82 cliffster

Evened out the downding from Charles.

I put you at one up.

101 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:47pm

re: #99 brookly red

well I tend to estimate conservatively... but again the house is not full.

It still shows far more people than that march video did.

102 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #87 Erik The Red

I believe our gracious host is putting for USC. Don't let that stop your enthusiasm. I'll bet he downdinged the Longhorns back in 2005. I'll bet the Buckeyes did too ;)

103 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Uh oh. Puppets: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

104 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:18:27pm

re: #97 NukeAtomrod

dude... was he a democrat... or a republican...? (I'll tell you if he was counted or not)

105 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:18:34pm

re: #103 jaunte

Uh oh. Puppets: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

Ah! The convergence is complete!

;)

106 pat  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:19:07pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is what I said. But I was not taking toll. The nutters like the Birchers etc. might have had them. Since there maybe 10,000 in the entire country, they were lost in this crowd. But I am sure there were truthers also, etc.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:19:39pm

Buckeyes might beat (though S.Cal is pushing) SC, but... that's one out of the last nine times? I'm an east coast fan, so eff 'em both.

108 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:19:45pm

re: #105 Gus 802

I've been waiting for the puppet-sign that the right wing have fully embraced the pointless. And there it is.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:20:28pm

re: #106 pat

That is what I said. But I was not taking toll. The nutters like the Birchers etc. might have had them. Since there maybe 10,000 in the entire country, they were lost in this crowd. But I am sure there were truthers also, etc.

Please, go look at the earlier thread. There was some pretty despicable stuff.

110 pat  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:20:53pm

Well I saw Julia/Julie. I recommend it...heartily. I am making Beef Burgundy tonight in honor. Yum (line from flick). Laters.

111 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:20:55pm

- (0) Comment rated by: Sharmuta

Must you ALWAYS suck up?
/

112 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:21:09pm

re: #108 jaunte

I've been waiting for the puppet-sign that the right wing have fully embraced the pointless. And there it is.

I listened to a more than a few of the speeches this morning. There was a lot of "audit the Fed" talk. Lots of Paulians.

The speeches were pointless as well.

113 SteveC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:21:19pm

re: #108 jaunte

I've been waiting for the puppet-sign that the right wing have fully embraced the pointless. And there it is.

I'm waiting on wormsign myself.

"Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm." - Fatboy Slim

114 Rich H  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:21:36pm

re: #70 Charles

And now I guess you're a RINO if you refuse to accept phony, inflated crowd estimates.

Not quite. You also have to claim to be a Republican.

/humor

115 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:05pm

re: #101 Coracle

It still shows far more people than that march video did.

Well being in the biz, I would tell you that camera angles can be used to increase or deflate crowd numbers, and there were several locations... but to get an accurate count I would look at hotel bookings, restaurant reservations etc...

116 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:06pm

May God's blessings touch you.

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:09pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Buckeyes might beat (though S.Cal is pushing) SC, but... that's one out of the last nine times? I'm an east coast fan, so eff 'em both.

AND, THERE YOU GO.

118 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:19pm

Hmm, seems like it's been awhile since the last open registration. Perhaps I just haven't been around for it..

119 KingKenrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:35pm

re: #94 Charles

He promoted Ralph Nader in the 2004 election. Is there some other criteria I should use for determining whether he's a Naderite?

The fact that he promotes a view that is the completely political opposite of Nader is a good criteria.

120 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:23:51pm

I just did some simple math.

If the street was 150 feet wide and everybody was crammed in very very tight and taking up only 3 square feet of space, that would mean that there would be approx 50 people per linear foot of road.

That would be approx. 264,000 people per mile
.
One million people would be a line extending almost 4 miles.

If people took up more space that 3 sq. feet (very likely), or the street was narrower than 150 feet, then the line would have to be much longer.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:24:00pm

re: #110 pat

Well I saw Julia/Julie. I recommend it...heartily. I am making Beef Burgundy tonight in honor. Yum (line from flick). Laters.

Is there a "TOFU BURGUNDY"?

122 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:24:03pm

re: #66 Racer X

I played a little. Still shoot hoops in the driveway, but my days of going one-on-one and taking it to the rim are probably over.

*sigh*

Basketball has always been my greatest joy in sports..

123 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:24:07pm

Now, if only USC plays a prevent defense. Heh.

124 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:25:04pm

re: #119 KingKenrod

The fact that he promotes a view that is the completely political opposite of Nader is a good criteria.

So your point is that he was lying about supporting Ralph Nader, just like he lied about the crowd numbers?

Sorry -- he supported Nader for the election. He's a Naderite, no matter what his dishonest reasons were.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #120 Reginald Perrin

Every man woman and child on the planet Earth would take up an area much smaller than Rhode Island.

Just sayin...

If I'm wrong, please correct me... but I've done the math a few times.

Of course, I had four years of Algebra I.

126 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #123 trendsurfer

Now, if only USC plays a prevent defense. Heh.

I hope they do.

127 KingKenrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:25:57pm

re: #124 Charles

So your point is that he was lying about supporting Ralph Nader, just like he lied about the crowd numbers?

Sorry -- he supported Nader for the election. He's a Naderite, no matter what his dishonest reasons were.

It is funny, isn't it?

128 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:25:57pm

USC up by 3.

One minute left.

129 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:26:09pm

re: #78 brookly red

I linked that photo, there are 165k in the stands and approx 12 k in the suites.

130 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:26:57pm

FBV...pass me that jug bra'...

131 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:27:06pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Every man woman and child on the planet Earth would take up an area much smaller than Rhode Island.

Just sayin...

If I'm wrong, please correct me... but I've done the math a few times.

Of course, I had four years of Algebra I.

Every man, woman, and child in Los Angeles would take up more area than Rhode Island ;)

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:27:19pm

re: #130 WindHorse

FBV...pass me that jug bra'...

kiss my ass...
/

133 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:27:21pm

Is this a thread about various sporting events?

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:27:57pm

re: #131 cliffster

Every man, woman, and child in Los Angeles would take up more area than Rhode Island ;)

nope.

135 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:28:44pm

re: #126 cliffster

IMO, USC is playing it smart with this vanilla defense. I always hate seeing defenses rush three.

136 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:29:18pm

Way OT

My remote landed on PBS and Roy Orbison. Only the lonely remember him. Mean Woman Blues

Youtube Video

What a talent

137 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:30:06pm

Congrats Charles and USC. Great game.

138 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:31:06pm

I'm getting so used to seeing grieving Ohio State fans.

139 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:31:12pm

re: #129 Reginald Perrin

I linked that photo, there are 165k in the stands and approx 12 k in the suites.

are you saying that my estimate of about 1 million is way too low??? oh my...

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:31:16pm

Interesting little scandal going on...
Tea Party Protester: "We Think The Muslims Are Moving In And Taking Over" (VIDEO)

MSNBC edited the woman's comment out of the clip shortly after HuffPo linked it.

141 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:31:35pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

Is this a thread about various sporting events?

You got a problem with that?

;-)

142 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:31:57pm

OT -

My 12 year old Golden retriever disappeared for a few hours today... came back smelling of fish (I live on the beach). I gave him a bath on Thursday.

He was a stray and adopted me two Augusts ago.

He is over there on his bed... and the door is open.

I love him so much.

...and he really stinks.

143 Erik The Red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:32:17pm

re: #138 trendsurfer

I'm getting so used to seeing grieving Ohio State fans.

No tears here. Great game.

144 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:32:20pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout
Oops. That's NBC.

145 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:33:46pm

And now people are actually showing up trying to deny (again!) that the nuts were out in force today.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:34:19pm

Rhode Island 1,545 square miles.

27,878,400 square feet in a square mile.

27,878,400 X 1,545 = 43,072,128,000

43,072,128,000/6,000,000,000 = 7.17 Square feet per person...

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:34:40pm

re: #138 trendsurfer

that's just mean...

148 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:34:45pm

Agony of Defeat:

[Link: www.guba.com...]

149 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:34:53pm

re: #124 Charles

So your point is that he was lying about supporting Ralph Nader, just like he lied about the crowd numbers?

Sorry -- he supported Nader for the election. He's a Naderite, no matter what his dishonest reasons were.

Quite Concur.

150 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:35:05pm

re: #115 brookly red

Well being in the biz, I would tell you that camera angles can be used to increase or deflate crowd numbers, and there were several locations... but to get an accurate count I would look at hotel bookings, restaurant reservations etc...

I've seen that. I saw a picture of a protest of the President of Vietnam, and the pictures made it look like there were a lot of people. But I had seen the actual protest, and by filling the frame, they showed practically everyone, but made you think there were many more people out of the frame.

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:35:25pm

re: #142 WindHorse

Bury me under my dog.

152 Sloppy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:35:35pm

When I was a street reporter back in the last millennium, the city editor insisted that crowd estimates be made by a ranking police officer and attributed to him by name. I had a tame inspector who, when asked for the official estimate, would say, "How many do you want?" I loved that guy.

153 John Neverbend  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:36:08pm

re: #10 Coracle

Barely a few tens of thousands on the actual Mall.

This is what the New York Times reported: In Washington

154 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:36:16pm

Charles... I have been sitting here at my computer since 7:00am this morning (PDT)... and, yes, even though I have been working - I have been observing...

and, I have never seen a weirder day here than today.

-the nuts were out everywhere.

155 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:05pm

re: #145 Charles

But the Code Pinkers proved that the Democratic party is scum. Seems like it's only a bad thing when it's against the POTUS you like. It never occurred to them they are slamming the Office as well.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:10pm

This shit will fuck you up.

Whoa.

157 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:23pm

re: #145 Charles

And now people are actually showing up trying to deny (again!) that the nuts were out in force today.

Right.

Half of the nuts got up and spoke at the podium.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:48pm

re: #145 Charles

And now people are actually showing up trying to deny (again!) that the nuts were out in force today.

The FAIL in comments making claims like that is so thick you couldn't cut it without a chainsaw.

159 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:54pm
160 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:37:55pm

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This shit will fuck you up.

Whoa.

Don't fall and hit yer head now.

161 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:38:12pm

Anyway, the numbers game is a house game like guessing the number of jellybeans in a jar... 10 thousand or 10 hundred thousand, whatever.

The point is the opposition does exist. If or if not I/we/you support them remains to be seen.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:38:18pm

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dammit! I did MATH! there.

163 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:38:21pm

re: #159 billy

ye have no soul lad...

164 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #145 Charles

And now people are actually showing up trying to deny (again!) that the nuts were out in force today.

Here's a sample
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

165 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:40:06pm
166 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:40:34pm

billy...

in 8th place... thanks fer the memories billy

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:40:38pm

re: #159 billy

Don't go away mad! Just go away.

168 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:03pm

re: #159 billy

That's no flounce, it's barely an f.

169 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:08pm
170 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:09pm

re: #159 billy

The Ron Paul office is down the hall and to your left.

Here's your tin foil hat. You're gonna need it.

171 fizzlogic  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:18pm

Here's another one:

Youtube Video
172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:28pm

re: #159 billy

Was it something I said? The profanity?

Wait. Who the fuck are you?

173 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:47pm

re: #166 WindHorse

billy...

in 8th place... thanks fer the memories billy

I think billy got clubbed.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:41:53pm

I don't know what you uptight puritans are talking about. I just came back from the Black Sabbath concert, and I did not see a single stoner.

I did not see a single person wearing a t-shirt with semi-satanic themes, nor did I see a single person using drugs of any kind.

Everyone I saw there was very clean cut, sober, and exceedingly polite. I did not see a single person misbehave in any way.
/

175 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:42:08pm

sorry... but I am laughing uncontrollably...

Billy, is your wife's name also Billy?

/oh, sorry... you cain't answer...

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:42:43pm

re: #169 cliffster

But, but, but... I did math!

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #169 cliffster

Heh. I just got that.

178 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #139 brookly red

No, I am saying that there were probably less than half that number at today's protest.
I have watched that race from the pits many times, and believe me that is an incredible mass of people, nothing else like it on the planet. It is the largest stadium on the planet.
At it's highest point it's 21 stories high above the track.

179 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:43:31pm

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

I think billy got clubbed.

Or Charles got billy's goat.

180 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:43:40pm

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. I just got that.

Case in point ;)

181 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:44:10pm

re: #164 jaunte

Here's a sample
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Surprise!

Another Nor Laupian!

182 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:44:56pm

Jeabus man, if you're going to flounce at least be creative and give us a laugh for about 3 seconds before your comment goes poof. Otherwise, why even bother?

If you don't like the content just go away.

183 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:16pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Wow, the website design has just the same lapel-grabber vibe as the van.

184 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:58pm

Look..If you are going to average one post every 6 months for several years you have got to do better than that...Nobody is buying the Bullshit that since 2007 it is finally time to flounce...Oh please ban me!
For fucks sake grow the hell up...The childishness is getting old...

185 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:06pm

I'm glad I missed all that nonsense today. Me and the 15YO were in the Big House today with 110,000 other people watching Michigan beat Notre Dame. What a perfect day.

BTW What kind of anti-American weirdos schedule political rallies for Saturdays during College Football season? Hello?

186 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:13pm

re: #183 jaunte

Wow, the website design has just the same lapel-grabber vibe as the van.

I think he lives in that van, down by the river.

187 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:52pm

re: #183 jaunte

Wow, the website design has just the same lapel-grabber vibe as the van.

Yeah, it's all over the place. The Nor Laup connection is with the links one of which is Campaign for Liberty.

188 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:28pm

re: #178 Reginald Perrin

No, I am saying that there were probably less than half that number at today's protest.
I have watched that race from the pits many times, and believe me that is an incredible mass of people, nothing else like it on the planet. It is the largest stadium on the planet.
At it's highest point it's 21 stories high above the track.

I see more, you see less, people see what they want to see & what will be will be.

189 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:56pm

And my condolences to Ohio State fans as well as Michigan State fans, oh and of course Notre Dame fans.

Ha.

190 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:49:03pm

I did not know 'patriots' were such flouncers. Seems sort of unmanly in a non homophobic way. Go to DC and wave your flounce flag high? What is that?

Note to right wing fringers, it's over

Youtube Video
191 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:50:45pm

re: #187 Gus 802

She has her resume up on the site; a radical pro-smoking grandmother who thinks smoking doesn't cause cancer. Surely not a nut.
/

192 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:53:26pm

re: #191 jaunte

She has her resume up on the site; a radical pro-smoking grandmother who thinks smoking doesn't cause cancer. Surely not a nut.
/

Yeah, I saw that. Quite a resume but I think something broke upstairs. I'm a smoker and let me tell ya'. It not a good habit. Come to think of it, Freedomworks actually did some "front line" work for tobacco companies which they did when they were Citizens for a Sound Economy.

193 Sloppy  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:14pm

In a couple of weeks Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, NE (cap. 80,000 +) will register its 300th consecutive sell-out. Not bad for a sparsely populated state.

194 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:58:53pm

re: #192 Gus 802

This sounds familiar:

In 1994, Citizens for a Sound Economy was listed in a Philip Morris document titled "Tobacco Strategy," which outlined the company's plans for "co-op efforts with third party tax organizations" aimed at defeating the Clinton administration's plan for increased cigarette excise taxes.

The section describing CSE's role stated,

We are funding a major (400K) grassroots initiative in the districts of House Energy & Commerce members to educate and mobilize consumers, through town hall meetings, radio and print ads, direct mail, patch-through calls to the Capitol switchboard, editorial board visits, polling data, meetings with Members and staff and the release of studies and other educational piecess. The goal of this effort is to show the Clinton plan as a government-run health care system replete with higher taxes and government spending, masive job losses, less choice, rationing of care and extensive bureaucracies. CSE is taking aim at the heart of the plan - employer mandates, new entitlements, price controls, mandatory health alliances, heavy load of new taxes and global budgets - and, with the program well underway, is by all accounts getting rave reviews in the respective districts.[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

195 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:52pm

re: #194 jaunte

This sounds familiar:

Yep. That's the one. They were also behind the early "Tea Parties" from several years ago.

196 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:05:12pm

re: #193 Sloppy

In a couple of weeks Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, NE (cap. 80,000 +) will register its 300th consecutive sell-out. Not bad for a sparsely populated state.

Three weeks ago BMS has sold out for 44 consecutive Cup races, with over 175,000 spectators.
The city of Bristol is in the middle of nowhere, has a population of only 25K, and there are only 2 roads out of the track.


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