Scenes From a Tea Party

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At least five of the featured speakers at today’s tea party in Washington DC were connected to the Ron Paul cult. Here’s a display the Paulians set up, right in front of the Capitol building.

Also present at the tea party — the insane Birther movement, with professionally printed signs from Weird Nut Daily.

What would a tea party be without anti-choice fanatics with graphic pictures of dead babies, combined with accusations that Barack Obama supports the New World Order … and sodomy?

When you’ve gone through the comparisons to every mass-murdering communist and/or Nazi dictator, what’s left? The Horned One, bringing about the End of Days!

And the moronic convergence is complete, as the right wing breaks out their own… giant puppets.

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:45:01pm

are those images represenative?

2 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:45:42pm

So, do you still have to hold your pinky to the side when drinking from a cup at these Tea Parties?

/weak attempt at humor

3 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:45:54pm

represenTative pimf

4 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:00pm

Puppets!

/Nor Laup

5 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:00pm

Are we officially in bizarro world now?

Will we see giant paper mache rhinos?

Who knows?

6 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:08pm

re: #1 noshariaincanada

Yeah.

7 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:19pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Ask Billy...

8 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:46:42pm

re: #1 noshariaincanada

are those images represenative?

Certainly for today's protest, they appear to be.

9 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:14pm

Fundamentally, its about the taxes...

10 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:16pm

All you need is EVOL.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:21pm

Informal poll:

Show of hands... How many people still want to believe/promote the now obviously bogus notion that Killgore was being a cherry-picking asshole attempting to discredit decent conservatives when he began exposing the nuts that are associated with/running and organizing these tea party events?

12 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:47:42pm

Hey! I like puppets.

13 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:13pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

*Raises hand*

14 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:36pm

re: #1 noshariaincanada

are those images represenative?

Yep, here's another nasty one.

15 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:36pm

Yeah- how horrible that Obama would support privacy in people's bedrooms. Really makes me wonder if they support private property rights on not.

16 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:48:41pm

re: #10 jaunte

didn't anybody tell her? didn't anybody see?

17 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:49:33pm

Charles, you might want to think about one of those "click for graphic content" thingies on the abortion pic. Just so people don't have to see it if they don't want to.

18 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:51:02pm
"A sign portrayed President Barack Obama at a podium with the words "Parasite in Chief" on Saturday in Washington during a march and demonstration. Tens of thousands of people were protesting what they say is an ever-expanding intrusion of government in their lives."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

19 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:51:06pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Killgore Trout Stinks!!1!11

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:51:28pm

re: #1 noshariaincanada

are those images represenative?

This doesn't even scratch the surface.

21 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:51:55pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Charles, you might want to think about one of those "click for graphic content" thingies on the abortion pic. Just so people don't have to see it if they don't want to.

Seems pretty clear. I scrolled down pretty quickly. These folks drive around Miami with flatbeds and giant posters of this stuff. Imagine getting stuck in traffic next to one...

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:52:23pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Yeah- how horrible that Obama would support privacy in people's bedrooms. Really makes me wonder if they support private property rights on not.

Fascist!
/

23 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:52:39pm

I can't get over that. Obama supports sodomy. Maybe these folks don't believe in an individuals right to their own anatomy. Oh, wait...

24 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:53:18pm

Two weeks ago my neighbor on the left peeled off his "Obama '08" bumper sticker.

Today my neighbor on the right peeled off his "Tea Party!" bumper sticker.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:23pm

re: #24 Racer X

Two weeks ago my neighbor on the left peeled off his "Obama '08" bumper sticker.

Today my neighbor on the right peeled off his "Tea Party!" bumper sticker.

Make sure you let them know when registration is open. They might fit in well here.

26 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:51pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I can't get over that. Obama supports sodomy. Maybe these folks don't believe in an individuals right to their own anatomy. Oh, wait...

Wasn't that part of the campaign speech? "Sodomy in every pot!" I clearly remember it.

27 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I can't get over that. Obama supports sodomy. Maybe these folks don't believe in an individuals right to their own anatomy. Oh, wait...

The kicker is that Obama isn't exactly that liberal regarding gay issues. Not that that (what you mentioned) defines the gay community of course.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:55pm

*thud*

29 yochanan  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:54:57pm

re: #1 noshariaincanada

No. not if you look at other video.

saw the time lapse video were it took 3 hours for the march, with the street full all the time.

I also saw plenty of video showing lots of different signs, you can always find nuts and kooks at a demo this size
the park dist. said between 350,000 and 1.2 million and i doubt they have a dog in this fight. I would rather have streight coverage and let the view make up his or her mind. if i want liberal coverage i would go to the MSM or the new york slime.

30 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:56:57pm

re: #27 Gus 802

The kicker is that Obama isn't exactly that liberal regarding gay issues. Not that that (what you mentioned) defines the gay community of course.

I think he's pretty much in line with the party line. How many Democrats in Congress actually support gay marriage?

31 Adrenalyn  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:56:57pm

according tothe NYTimes article I read
Dick Armey was an organizer

I don't recall him being a birther, VB supporter or even remotely Paulian

surely in every crowd 1-2% are kooks
even 20% is still not a majority
51% is

32 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:57:33pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

I think he's pretty much in line with the party line. How many Democrats in Congress actually support gay marriage?

I couldn't even guess. 33% maybe? Most are for civil unions.

33 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:58:37pm

Charles, isn't that a Truther sign just under the Laup Nor sign in the first photo?

34 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:58:59pm

re: #29 yochanan

No. not if you look at other video.

Or ignore a lizard who was there.

35 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:02pm

re: #29 yochanan

No. not if you look at other video.

saw the time lapse video were it took 3 hours for the march, with the street full all the time.

I also saw plenty of video showing lots of different signs, you can always find nuts and kooks at a demo this size
the park dist. said between 350,000 and 1.2 million and i doubt they have a dog in this fight. I would rather have streight coverage and let the view make up his or her mind. if i want liberal coverage i would go to the MSM or the new york slime.

my own take from viewing coverage of the event from different sites is similar to yours. You can always cherrypick images if you want to make a point, but the sheer number of people reported makes it unlikely (imho) that the above images are actually represenative of the event [with all due respect to the lizard master]

36 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:02pm

Bud Light Lime "In the Can"

Youtube Video
37 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:44pm

re: #32 Gus 802

I couldn't even guess. 33% maybe? Most are for civil unions.

I think they're mostly in favor of leaving it to the states, which is neither a Yea or a Nay really.

38 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:45pm

re: #31 Adrenalyn

according tothe NYTimes article I read
Dick Armey was an organizer

I don't recall him being a birther, VB supporter or even remotely Paulian

surely in every crowd 1-2% are kooks
even 20% is still not a majority
51% is

Dick Armey is hooked up with the Queen Bee of the Birther movement, Orly Taitz. I suggest you start looking into this stuff before you spout off.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:58pm

re: #31 Adrenalyn

surely in every crowd 1-2% are kooks
even 20% is still not a majority
51% is

What is the percentage of kooks who spoke at the event?

At least five of the featured speakers at today’s tea party in Washington DC were connected to the Ron Paul cult.

That's "at least" five. Five out of how many?

40 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:59:59pm

Killgore & Charles, thank you for staying up on this & informing me/us.
I never would have known otherwise.

41 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:03pm

I look at today... the news... the internet... and I am left with one word...

guttersnipe

42 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:09pm

From a kos diarist:


"Impeach the Muslim Marxist"

Image: teabaggers6.JPG

"Thank-you Glenn Beck"

Image: teabaggers0.JPG

43 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:09pm

re: #32 Gus 802

I couldn't even guess. 33% maybe? Most are for civil unions.

But I agree with your point nevertheless :)

44 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:25pm

Amazing. And now people are still going to pretend this is just a little nothing we should ignore.

45 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:29pm

re: #36 Racer X

LOL!

46 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:31pm

re: #33 Salamantis

Charles, isn't that a Truther sign just under the Laup Nor sign in the first photo?

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"...catchy.


/

47 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:41pm

re: #27 Gus 802

The kicker is that Obama isn't exactly that liberal regarding gay issues. Not that that (what you mentioned) defines the gay community of course.

Exactly- he doesn't support gay marriage. It's more fear mongering and bigotry.

It also shows these people don't believe in individual physical autonomy- that each person has dominion over their own body. Considering the more extreme elements don't support things like birth control, I'm not surprised.

48 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:00:54pm

re: #29 yochanan

re: #35 noshariaincanada

I wa out all day and didn't see the coverage. I'm going to wait for the official estimates from the Capitol Police and Park Service. Until those numbers come out, I suggest we not get invested in any particular numbers.

49 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:00pm

Nuttier than a pecan roll from Stuckeys.

50 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:16pm
51 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:27pm

At the end of the day all of the people that I disagree with & all of the people I think are nuts are over taxed, just like me.

52 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:42pm

Flounce!

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:43pm

re: #42 MJ

From a kos diarist:

"Impeach the Muslim Marxist"

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

"Thank-you Glenn Beck"

[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]

Those links don't work.

54 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:01:54pm

re: #31 Adrenalyn

according tothe NYTimes article I read
Dick Armey was an organizer

I don't recall him being a birther, VB supporter or even remotely Paulian

surely in every crowd 1-2% are kooks
even 20% is still not a majority
51% is

Would you be willing then to blow off Code Pink as just kooks?

55 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:03pm
56 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:07pm
57 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:32pm

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't quote flounces.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:39pm

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, Poop!

59 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:45pm

Is this representative?

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:02:47pm

re: #55 yochanan

You just blew your last chance. That will teach me.

61 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Those links don't work.

Darn!
They're here:
[Link: thedcuniverse.blogspot.com...]

62 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:03:10pm

re: #55 yochanan

A little shrill there, yochanan. Couldn't quite hear you.

63 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:03:13pm

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, poop!

Uh-Oh; you quoted a flouncer!

Prepare for post deletion!

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:03:15pm

re: #57 Sharmuta

I'm gonna watch that one poof. oops.

65 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:07pm

re: #59 Pythagoras

Is this representative?

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

hey at least *you* know how to spell "representative" - i misspelled it twice today

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:10pm

I've never seen myself disappear.

Jenny Craig'd be better.

67 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:19pm

Here they come.

Youtube Video
68 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:33pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

Exactly- he doesn't support gay marriage. It's more fear mongering and bigotry.

It also shows these people don't believe in individual physical autonomy- that each person has dominion over their own body. Considering the more extreme elements don't support things like birth control, I'm not surprised.

True. They're still retaining the same extremist ideologies that they held several decades ago. Or as in before the Texas sodomy law was overturned. I never had a problem with what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't effect society.

69 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:04:53pm

re: #55 yochanan

If there is evidence (with provenance) then I don't care who is the conduit.

Really, you're working hard at trying to counter the claims of Charles that this whole "protest" was organized by Paulians and attended by quite a few disaffected people.

It won't work, simply because it is true that the Paulians played a key role in today's event.

70 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:05:28pm

re: #60 Charles

You just blew your last chance. That will teach me.

I knew that one was going to be the last one.

71 Adrenalyn  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:05:52pm

re: #54 marjoriemoon

Would you be willing then to blow off Code Pink as just kooks?

I did not see Codepink in the NYTimes article
even such a liberally boased rag as that
you'd think they saw as much fault as some people do
they'd be more than happy to post anti "conservative" news
but I don't see it

maybe I'll go check CNN or NPR and see if I can find mass evidence of overwheliming support from the kooks from the far right

72 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:05:57pm

Wave that flounce flag high!

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:06:29pm

re: #63 Salamantis

Uh-Oh; you quoted a flouncer!

Prepare for post deletion!

CAN I GET SOME BIGGER BUTTONS?

74 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:06:32pm

re: #60 Charles

You just blew your last chance. That will teach me.

how did you know that yochanan played the guitar loud?

75 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:06:41pm

re: #65 noshariaincanada

hey at least *you* know how to spell "representative" - i misspelled it twice today

FireFox fixed it for me.

76 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:06:42pm

Here they come
Flouncin' down the street
They get their asses deleted
When Stinky's stick they meet

Youtube Video
77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:07:08pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Me too.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:07:25pm

re: #60 Charles

You just blew your last chance. That will teach me.

Some people seem to have a motto of "Live and Don't Learn". Thankfully, I don't have that problem here. When I'm gaming, though, I sometimes repeat my mistakes. Today, that mistake was pushing one of my units too far forward. It got targeted by a much bigger spaceship and blown to pieces.

(The game was a Aerotech / Battletech vs. Battlestar Galactica crossover space battle. My small ship was killed by the Pegasus.)

79 Learned Mother of Zion  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:07:26pm

Oh noes! Teh giant puppets!

80 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:07:49pm

re: #74 cliffster

how did you know that yochanan played the guitar loud?

Or was that two different occurrences all at once?

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:07:52pm

You know it's a SUPER FLOUNCE when the moonshine guy notices it.

82 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:08:01pm

re: #59 Pythagoras

Of those who are shown, one would think so.

Frankly I have issue with even some of those signs. They are in part demagoguery (well, if the people holding them were leaders...), and in some part just silly.

83 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:08:31pm

all I can say is...WOW... what a waste.

84 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:08:32pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

(The game was a Aerotech / Battletech vs. Battlestar Galactica crossover space battle. My small ship was killed by the Pegasus.)

Well then you should also see my #67.

85 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:08:34pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know it's a SUPER FLOUNCE when the moonshine guy notices it.

Make sure you eat some snacks while you're drinking that.

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:08:41pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know it's a SUPER FLOUNCE when the moonshine guy notices it.

Especially after he posts *thud*!

87 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:01pm

Charles' house, Charles' rules.

Learn it; or not.

88 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:07pm

re: #54 marjoriemoon

Would you be willing then to blow off Code Pink as just kooks?

I am. They're definitely just kooks. I remember when they were trying to cast a magic spell to do... um... something at the Marine recruiting office. So much for the "We're just a bunch of ordinary Grandmothers" schtick.

89 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:20pm

re: #71 Adrenalyn

I did not see Codepink in the NYTimes article
even such a liberally boased rag as that
you'd think they saw as much fault as some people do
they'd be more than happy to post anti "conservative" news
but I don't see it

maybe I'll go check CNN or NPR and see if I can find mass evidence of overwheliming support from the kooks from the far right

I think you've missed my point. When the fringe left was marching all over San Fran with Bush Derangement signs, conservative posters used it as proof that the Democrats were scum, traitors and not to be trusted when that description should only have been made of Code Pink and not representative of the majority of Democrats.

Now it's the same in reverse. Payback's a bitch as they say.

90 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:31pm

re: #61 MJ

teabaggers8.jpg

As this woman--one of their own, mind you--was being taken away on a stretcher to an ambulance, someone nearby said, "If we had Obamacare, she'd still be lying on the sidewalk!" to much laughter.

LOL!

91 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:33pm

...and, frankly - these rules are not that big of a deal...

wow.

92 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:38pm

Just had a flounce in the They Might Be Giants thread! Amazing. Accused me of "religion bashing."

What. The. Fuck!

93 Adrenalyn  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:09:38pm

re: #38 Charles

Dick Armey is hooked up with the Queen Bee of the Birther movement, Orly Taitz. I suggest you start looking into this stuff before you spout off.

I would not have seen that from the NYTimes article. I'd think they would love to belittle the people there as "teabaggers" or whatever derogatory terms the media during the tea parties - I just did not see that tone from the Times.

94 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:10:12pm

re: #87 Racer X

Charles' house, Charles' rules.

Learn it; or not.

No facts,
No reason,
No DICE!

Learn it, know it, live it.

95 Learned Mother of Zion  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:10:13pm

re: #92 Charles

Just had a flounce in the They Might Be Giants thread! Amazing. Accused me of "religion bashing."

What. The. Fuck!

I know religion bashing. And you, sir, are no religion basher!

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:10:14pm

re: #92 Charles

Charles? Why do you hate idiots?

97 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:10:44pm

re: #92 Charles

Just had a flounce in the They Might Be Giants thread! Amazing. Accused me of "religion bashing."

What. The. Fuck!

Because of that video?

Funny. Weak egos.

98 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:10:56pm

re: #76 Salamantis

Here they come
Flouncin' down the street
They get their asses deleted
When Stinky's stick they meet


[Video]

Hey, Hey, they're the Trollboys!
People say they're trolling around!
But they're too busy stalking,
To put the craziness down!

99 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:11:03pm

re: #93 Adrenalyn

I would not have seen that from the NYTimes article. I'd think they would love to belittle the people there as "teabaggers" or whatever derogatory terms the media during the tea parties - I just did not see that tone from the Times.

If you don't care to look it up, then don't. But you have no authority to spout off, because you're ignorant on the subject.

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:11:11pm

I don't think I have ever seen Charles say "Fudge, but I didn't say "Fudge".

101 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:11:30pm

re: #90 sngnsgt

Aw hell, the pic link worked in preview...

102 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:12:03pm

to all flouncers...

if you're going to San Francisco... be sure to wear some flowers in your hair...

(and I think you know what I mean "San Francisco")

103 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:12:25pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think I have ever seen Charles say "Fudge, but I didn't say "Fudge".

He said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!

104 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:12:46pm

re: #92 Charles

Just had a flounce in the They Might Be Giants thread! Amazing. Accused me of "religion bashing."

What. The. Fuck!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Promoting science = religion bashing.

105 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:12:50pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think I have ever seen Charles say "Fudge, but I didn't say "Fudge".

Rumors of your *thud* were premature

106 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:13:39pm

re: #82 freetoken

Of those who are shown, one would think so.

Frankly I have issue with even some of those signs. They are in part demagoguery (well, if the people holding them were leaders...), and in some part just silly.

Yes. I think it was all over the map. Kinda what I'd expect from a truly grass-roots gathering.

Look, it's about half stupid but Pelosi was a perfectly pure liar when she called this astroturf. It's nothing more or less than a bunch of angry people.

A big bunch.

107 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:13:44pm

The Great Internet Flounce-o-matic looks to be in high gear tonight... let's hope the hamsters were well fed and Stinky has some extra caffeine laying around.

108 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:13:49pm

i do note that Charles has chosen to title this entry 'scenes FROM a tea party' as opposed to 'scenes OF a tea party'.

Perhaps that is a worthwhile distinction.

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:13:52pm

re: #89 marjoriemoon

Live by the Broad Brush, Die by the Broad Brush.

110 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:14:05pm

Just had a frightening thought. What if this is the new "base" of the GOP? How many crazies are their in this country? What if the GOP resumes control by way of this new base of crazies?

Word is however that the GOP is considering regrouping around these fringe groups.

/Almost sounds like a conspiracy itself.

111 Adrenalyn  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:14:14pm

re: #89 marjoriemoon

I think you've missed my point. When the fringe left was marching all over San Fran with Bush Derangement signs, conservative posters used it as proof that the Democrats were scum, traitors and not to be trusted when that description should only have been made of Code Pink and not representative of the majority of Democrats.

Now it's the same in reverse. Payback's a bitch as they say.

you know, I could agree with that except this is not 100% lunatics in a city populated almost 100% by lunatics, like SF

the attendees (forget the speakers for a sec) are people afraid of the government and where they see America going - don't they deserve to be heard ?

112 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:14:34pm

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

Well then you should also see my #67.

I did. Sadly, my battleship Blake's Sword wasn't allowed to use nukes today. Had I been able to use them, the Battlestars would have been spacejunk. Unlike the smaller ship, I actually did quite well with the Sword, but I was finally boxed in at close range and blown away by fire from Pegasus, though both her jump drive and and normal space drive were damaged.

113 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:14:55pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

the attendees (forget the speakers for a sec) are people afraid of the government and where they see America going - don't they deserve to be heard ?

They're being heard, loud and clear.

114 norman1905  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:14:56pm

You'll find fringe elements anywhere. So what?

115 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:15:00pm

re: #92 Charles

Just had a flounce in the They Might Be Giants thread! Amazing. Accused me of "religion bashing."

What. The. Fuck!

These people are thick.

From what I have just learned at the end of the thread over at VodkaPundit it appears no one has proven that Stacy McCain is in any way a racist. His disclaimer "THIS IS NOT RACIST" seems to work on these people.

116 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #110 Gus 802

I was going to say it before... but then I deferred... but, now - I think I will...


Today was the day that the GOP's rudder fell off and sank.

117 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:16:05pm

re: #114 norman1905

You'll find fringe elements anywhere. So what?

So it's OK to mock them.

118 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:16:29pm

...and, as a small business owner... I consider myself a Republican...

119 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:16:40pm

Whee!

120 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:16:40pm

re: #114 norman1905

In this case- it's the fringe who is organizing this. See the difference?

121 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:16:49pm

re: #114 norman1905

You'll find fringe elements anywhere. So what?

They'ne not the fringe...theyre the vanguard.

122 Mosse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:17:35pm

re: #35 noshariaincanada

my own take from viewing coverage of the event from different sites is similar to yours. You can always cherrypick images if you want to make a point, but the sheer number of people reported makes it unlikely (imho) that the above images are actually represenative of the event [with all due respect to the lizard master]

I agree, and also with respect to Charles, our Lizard King. This "movement" is unled and is forming as we write. In the sixties, many of us were active, but many, many Trotskyists, Trotskyites and REAL extremists were also at the demonstrations. Did that mean WE were Trotskyites? No. People will try to coopt and manipulate this movement, as others have in the past. The GENUINE concern of people who believe in the Constitution and who do not agree with the policies of the extreme left that has overtaken the Democratic party is what is funding this "response", so far. Could it become dominated by Paulians, truthers, birthers, God forbid, LaRouchies -- probably. Will that mean that everyone who is CURRENTLY active in this appeal is psychotic fringe? Of course not.

123 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:17:36pm

re: #116 WindHorse

I was going to say it before... but then I deferred... but, now - I think I will...

Today was the day that the GOP's rudder fell off and sank.

I think so. I'm pretty sure they're going to pursue this. This is one of the reasons we Lizards are starting to get a lot of flack.

Forget about the moderate yet fiscal conservatives. It's going to get worse.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:17:38pm

re: #114 norman1905

You'll find fringe elements anywhere. So what?

So we should expose them and make it clear that their crazy ideas have no place in the political mainstream.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:17:54pm

re: #104 Racer X

Hahahahahahahaha!

Promoting science = religion bashing.

Sadly, there are many in this world that believe just that.

126 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:17:58pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Why do you hate idiots?

I think he kicks a lot of them more in sorrow than in anger; it's sad to see such imbecilic moronicity so blatantly displated. My guess is that often it's not so much a matter of hatred as it is a matter of Sartrian-nausea-tinged pity.

Many times deletion of their comments is a kindness, as it erases ill-considered posts that upon more sane and sober reflection would be sources of embarrassment and shame.

Then again, some trolls are beneath the capacity for either embarrassment or shame. Or even the capacity for sanity.

127 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:18:17pm

re: #116 WindHorse

I was going to say it before... but then I deferred... but, now - I think I will...

Today was the day that the GOP's rudder fell off and sank.

Every huge gathering with signs will have some stupid ones -- even a football game. I wouldn't attribute this event to any one individual or party.

128 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:18:22pm

re: #122 Mosse

Will that mean that everyone who is CURRENTLY active in this appeal is psychotic fringe? Of course not.

Oh no. Just the organizers, that's all. No need to worry. Just roll over and go back to sleep.

129 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:19:16pm

re: #115 karmic_inquisitor

These people are thick.

From what I have just learned at the end of the thread over at VodkaPundit it appears no one has proven that Stacy McCain is in any way a racist. His disclaimer "THIS IS NOT RACIST" seems to work on these people.

Just for the sake of any readers who have entered the topic late or uninformed, here's a little sampling of the thoughts of Stacy McCain

So, let’s take a look at the views and not-so-hidden agenda of one of the actual editors of the paper, specifically, assistant national editor Robert Stacy McCain, who has a habit of posting commentary on message boards and elsewhere around the Internet:

"[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us."[Link: www.nypress.com...]

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:19:43pm

re: #122 Mosse

I agree, and also with respect to Charles, our Lizard King. This "movement" is unled and is forming as we write. In the sixties, many of us were active, but many, many Trotskyists, Trotskyites and REAL extremists were also at the demonstrations. Did that mean WE were Trotskyites? No. People will try to coopt and manipulate this movement, as others have in the past. The GENUINE concern of people who believe in the Constitution and who do not agree with the policies of the extreme left that has overtaken the Democratic party is what is funding this "response", so far. Could it become dominated by Paulians, truthers, birthers, God forbid, LaRouchies -- probably. Will that mean that everyone who is CURRENTLY active in this appeal is psychotic fringe? Of course not.

You are right, but that means that our challenge is to create a saner movement for the normal people at these events. What is needed are non-crazy-organized events for them to attend.

131 Gitarzan  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #103 ArchangelMichael

He said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!

Is Charles gonna have to stick a bar of Lifebuoy in his mouth for that?

///

132 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

you know, I could agree with that except this is not 100% lunatics in a city populated almost 100% by lunatics, like SF

the attendees (forget the speakers for a sec) are people afraid of the government and where they see America going - don't they deserve to be heard ?

Well being heard is one thing. Showing Obama in "white face" (I don't care about the Joker reference) is racist, as is comparing him to a nazi or walking around with Birther signs or dead babies on your poster. It's just sick.

All of San Fran does not support Code Pink or their numbers would be larger than the few dozen people they have. They are, however, mostly Democrats.

133 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:19:51pm

Maybe the thing that scares me the most about these people is that they would rather spend their Saturday rooting for their political team than rooting for a football team. You have 6 days in the week to talk politics. I can't imagine setting out on a perfect Saturday afternoon in September to go attend a political rally.

134 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:20:07pm

people say I'm crazy...doing what I'm doing...

135 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:21:08pm

re: #89 marjoriemoon

I think you've missed my point. When the fringe left was marching all over San Fran with Bush Derangement signs, conservative posters used it as proof that the Democrats were scum, traitors and not to be trusted when that description should only have been made of Code Pink and not representative of the majority of Democrats.

Now it's the same in reverse. Payback's a bitch as they say.

Of course, a lot of liberal democrats did defend Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, etc. I don't think the conservative Republicans are defending or accepting the Truthers or LaRoaches. Mostly they're saying, "Ummm... those guys aren't with us." Of course, there is a bit too much acceptance of Ron Paul. But, I don't understand how anyone can believe that going back to Isolationism is going to end foreign threats.

136 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:21:09pm

...and Abraham Lincoln is spinning in his grave...

137 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:21:28pm

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That one act could have legitimized a lot of well meaning but silly people.

No one did that.

138 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:21:55pm

On the other hand, some trolls would have to rise immeasurably in my estimation to be deserving of even my contempt.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:06pm

So, I am at this piece of shit hotel, near Greenbank WV, home of that big flippin Robert C. Byrd radiotelescope thingy. Just pulled back the covers...

I am pretty well lubricated (alcohol! you perverts!) and notice that these sheets are thinner than the paper the nurse pulls over the exam table.

Boy, am I glad I am toasted.

Okay, fuckers! Flounce away! I'd like to see you all gone by morning.

140 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:09pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That says it all right there.

141 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:14pm

League of the South has some entertaining "core beliefs." A small snippet.

The South’s political ideals and principles are rooted in the Jeffersonian tradition as expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Namely, that our unalienable rights are a gift from God, not privileges that are granted or denied by any governmental authority; that a truly free people has the right and power to determine its own form of government; that governmental power should reside as close to the people as possible and that competing governmental bodies should have meaningful checks on one another’s use of power. Another certainty is that the American Empire that now occupies the South believes in none of the aforementioned ideals and principles. To be truly free and self- governing, the South must throw off the yoke of imperial oppression. Therefore, The League of the South advocates the secession and subsequent independence of the Southern States from this forced union and the formation of a Southern republic.


[Link: dixienet.org...]

Pretty mainstream. Just the other day i was talking to a neighbor about throwing off the yoke of imperial oppression. we decided to drink beer instead.

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:30pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Maybe the thing that scares me the most about these people is that they would rather spend their Saturday rooting for their political team than rooting for a football team. You have 6 days in the week to talk politics. I can't imagine setting out on a perfect Saturday afternoon in September to go attend a political rally.

Maybe they're NFL fans as well. You can protest on Saturday and still see the season openers on Sunday.

143 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:43pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That one act could have legitimized a lot of well meaning but silly people.

No one did that.

The rappers disavowed the truthers but on the other hand they're nirthers.

144 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:22:51pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That one act could have legitimized a lot of well meaning but silly people.

No one did that.

Ding that one up please!

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:23:01pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Easy to say when you win...

Congrats.

146 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:23:20pm

re: #114 norman1905

You'll find fringe elements anywhere. So what?

That's truly a stupid thing to write.
I'll give you one fringe movement member and you can say "so what":
Timothy McVeigh.

147 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:23:28pm

It's one thing to be the party with the fringe on top; it's something else when it's all fringe.

148 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:24:03pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Just had a frightening thought. What if this is the new "base" of the GOP? How many crazies are their in this country? What if the GOP resumes control by way of this new base of crazies?...

Well, Mike Pence was there. He said something along the lines that today (referencing the Tea Party) was a crucial moment for the "conservative" cause.

If someone as high up in the GOP structure as Pence is there rallying them on... it's a good guess that the GOP sees this crowd as important to their base.

149 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:24:34pm

re: #136 WindHorse

...and Abraham Lincoln is spinning in his grave...

If he be alive, he would be...

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:24:35pm

re: #35 noshariaincanada

my own take from viewing coverage of the event from different sites is similar to yours. You can always cherrypick images if you want to make a point, but the sheer number of people reported makes it unlikely (imho) that the above images are actually represenative of the event [with all due respect to the lizard master]

Interesting theory. How do we know if the protest events of the last 8 years weren't similarly "cherry-picked"? If other people's work was indeed "cherry-picked" is it acceptable to do the same now, or should we question what we've been led to believe about leftist protests for the last 8 years?

Just wondering.

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:24:53pm

*slurred speech*

Love you guys! I mean it!

WOLVERINES!

152 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:00pm

I just noticed that the Paulians and the anti-choice fanatics seem to be set up on the same steps, right next to each other.

153 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:02pm

OT

StumbleOning again.

Here's a very cool time lapse piece...

3,000 mile walk across China

/back to Stumble

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:09pm

SUPER *thud*

155 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:28pm

re: #148 freetoken

Well, Mike Pence was there. He said something along the lines that today (referencing the Tea Party) was a crucial moment for the "conservative" cause.

If someone as high up in the GOP structure as Pence is there rallying them on... it's a good guess that the GOP sees this crowd as important to their base.

Yes. There were a couple of other GOP congresscritters there. According to what I glanced at earlier that's the plan. This is going to be a part of the new base.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:44pm

re: #141 karmic_inquisitor

League of the South has some entertaining "core beliefs." A small snippet.


[Link: dixienet.org...]

Pretty mainstream. Just the other day i was talking to a neighbor about throwing off the yoke of imperial oppression. we decided to drink beer instead.

Here's a musical response to the LotS:

Youtube Video
157 brookly red  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:47pm

re: #143 Gus 802

The rappers disavowed the truthers but on the other hand they're nirthers.

so what if the nirthers get together with the truthers? then what are they called? (come on, thats a set up)

158 Darth_K  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:49pm

So this is what the Sarah Palin / Fox News / Glenn Beck crowd looks like. ugh.

159 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:50pm

re: #152 Charles

I just noticed that the Paulians and the anti-choice fanatics seem to be set up on the same steps, right next to each other.

And why not? Laup Nor is virulently anti-abortion.

160 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:25:52pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV! Many moons ago, I was a travelling salesman... doing the hotel thing every night... doing the pizza every night thing (thinking I would write a book on the pizza of the midwest - including WV...). The stories I could tell - that you would already know the endings to.

Sleep well Fatty.

:)

161 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:01pm

re: #135 NukeAtomrod

Of course, a lot of liberal democrats did defend Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, etc. I don't think the conservative Republicans are defending or accepting the Truthers or LaRoaches. Mostly they're saying, "Ummm... those guys aren't with us." Of course, there is a bit too much acceptance of Ron Paul. But, I don't understand how anyone can believe that going back to Isolationism is going to end foreign threats.

Michael Moore I can't speak about. He does get a lot of support for what reason is beyond me, but you never saw him at any of those rallies. Moore is out for Moore heh... for himself, Mr. Non-Capitalist.

There is a far left contingent, what I would call far left, that do support Sheehan and Code Pink, but they are not representative of the party. Those fringe groups were even outspoken against Obama when he put more troops into Afghanistan and on gay rights as Gus said above.

162 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:12pm

re: #141 karmic_inquisitor


I have honestly never heard of those people...until today.

163 Mosse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:20pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

You are right, but that means that our challenge is to create a saner movement for the normal people at these events. What is needed are non-crazy-organized events for them to attend.

Absolutely. There is a REAL analysis of what the political class is up to globally that is essential to what's going on right now. Read Michael Ledeen's piece I posted a couple of days ago, for example. The abrogation and reinterpretation of rights is moving forward and I believe MOST of those who are now responding understand that this is true, on many levels. It's our job to expose both screwballs who are USING the responders AND keep up on the reconfiguration of world policy.

164 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:39pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That one act could have legitimized a lot of well meaning but silly people.

No one did that.

Maybe they didn't want to provoke the crazies in their midst? I sure wouldn't have.

165 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:54pm

BTW, I see on that monster thread at HA about today's T.P... that Charles has become the subject of the conversation.

166 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:26:54pm

re: #157 brookly red

so what if the nirthers get together with the truthers? then what are they called? (come on, thats a set up)

Scratching my head here...

I give up... what would they be called?

167 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:27:24pm

re: #165 freetoken

BTW, I see on that monster thread at HA about today's T.P... that Charles has become the subject of the conversation.

I'm so glad I can lend some meaning to their empty, pathetic lives.

168 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:27:39pm

re: #140 Mich-again

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That says it all right there.

They didn't denounce the holocaust deniers either and I'll bet you there was one somewhere. How about those idiots who are worried about contrails? There should have been thousands of them at this gathering. There are hundreds of other kinds of nuts. Should they have just taken time out to list every known one?

169 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:27:40pm

"Do I look like an idiot?"

Youtube Video

I got ten bucks says she's a nirther.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:27:54pm

re: #135 NukeAtomrod

I don't think the conservative Republicans are defending or accepting the Truthers or LaRoaches. Mostly they're saying, "Ummm... those guys aren't with us."

Of course. What they are saying, when they show up to parties hosted by the troofers, paulians, birchers, and so on, is that "We're with them".

171 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:28:05pm

There, fixed the first sign on this page: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

172 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:28:18pm

re: #163 Mosse

What is needed are non-crazy-organized events

Good luck getting non-crazy people to attend a political rally. Most non-crazy people are too busy with life.

173 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:28:26pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Interesting theory. How do we know if the protest events of the last 8 years weren't similarly "cherry-picked"? If other people's work was indeed "cherry-picked" is it acceptable to do the same now, or should we question what we've been led to believe about leftist protests for the last 8 years?

Just wondering.

Or, you just refuse to link a belief with the characterizations of people who are purported to have that belief. Then, we're all just making judgments based on what we logically think is correct, not on propaganda. How cool would that be?

174 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:28:29pm

re: #152 Charles

I just noticed that the Paulians and the anti-choice fanatics seem to be set up on the same steps, right next to each other.

When that happens they are the Dr. Paulians.

175 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:29:20pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Not one speaker today disavowed the Truthers, La Rouchies, the Birchers, et all. Not one.

That one act could have legitimized a lot of well meaning but silly people.

No one did that.

Why would the speakers denounce themselves, or the organizers?

176 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:29:34pm
177 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:30:05pm

The kooks are REALLY worked up tonight.

178 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:30:46pm

re: #175 Salamantis

I think I managed to get the party in my area to dissociate from LaRouche. Took a push or two.

179 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:30:48pm

re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course. What they are saying, when they show up to parties hosted by the troofers, paulians, birchers, and so on, is that "We're with them".

Right, Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina was there with them today.

180 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:30:51pm

re: #177 Charles

The kooks are REALLY worked up tonight.

Good.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:31:11pm

re: #163 Mosse

What do you mean by "reconfiguration of world policy"? That term has been used by some people in the Alex Jones crowd. I'm not making an accusation, but given the history of the term, you do need to explain your use of it.

182 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:31:37pm

if ron paul runs for the GOP nomination and gets it in 2012, I will be voting for Obama.

there ... I said it ... and I'm sober as can be.

183 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:31:51pm

re: #168 Pythagoras

Should they have just taken time out to list every known one?

No maybe just the top 5 nutjob groups would have been enough. There is much cross pollination in the nutty groups. Puking out the top 5 would probably get rid of 95% of the kooks.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:32:01pm

re: #176 taxfreekiller

I hope you're okay. You and the missus.

185 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:32:18pm

re: #177 Charles

The kooks are REALLY worked up tonight.

Shot of tequila whiskey for every flounce!

Who's with me?

C'mon! Its Saturday night!

186 wee fury  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:32:31pm

The signs, the words, the pictures -- all make me crabby.

187 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:32:46pm

Some of these trolls and stalkers seem madder'n Serena Williams was tonight!

/and that's friggin' mad!

188 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:32:50pm

Perhaps I should open registration?

189 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:33:11pm

re: #182 _RememberTonyC

if ron paul runs for the GOP nomination and gets it in 2012, I will be voting for Obama.

there ... I said it ... and I'm sober as can be.

He won't get anywhere near it, Tony.

190 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:33:32pm

re: #178 fenrisdesigns

I think I managed to get the party in my area to dissociate from LaRouche. Took a push or two.

Who is "the Party"? LaRouche was a Democrat for decades. I haven't been paying attention -- did that change?

191 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:33:53pm

re: #171 fenrisdesigns

There, fixed the first sign on this page: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

Welcome, fellow gamer!

You go to GenCon, too? What games do you play?

192 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:33:59pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?

Uh, no.

193 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:34:19pm

Sure.re: #188 Charles

Your call.

194 HopsHunter  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:34:40pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?

Then we could have a revolving door of flounce!

195 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #190 Pythagoras

Who is "the Party"? LaRouche was a Democrat for decades. I haven't been paying attention -- did that change?

LaRouche has been rejected by the DNC time and time again. He remains a cult leader and a political opportunist. And he is not a Republican either.

196 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:34:46pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?


Sometimes I worry about you, Charles.

197 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:04pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?

You are kook-baiting and you know it.

198 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:05pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?

Only if we're drinkin'.

199 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:21pm

re: #161 marjoriemoon

Michael Moore I can't speak about. He does get a lot of support for what reason is beyond me, but you never saw him at any of those rallies. Moore is out for Moore heh... for himself, Mr. Non-Capitalist.

There is a far left contingent, what I would call far left, that do support Sheehan and Code Pink, but they are not representative of the party. Those fringe groups were even outspoken against Obama when he put more troops into Afghanistan and on gay rights as Gus said above.

Meh. Maybe so. Maybe I've just run into a lot of far lefties then. I didn't expect that to be the case, since I live near Pittsburgh. Generally, we're a practical people that like our Steelers, Donnie Iris, and fries on our salads. We dahn really go in for conspiracies n'at, like yinz in the big cities.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:25pm

re: #188 Charles

Perhaps I should open registration?

Yes, please. We need some new folks in here. We'll just have to filter out the trolls and eat 'em. Which is OK, because I'm hungry.

201 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:30pm

re: #177 Charles

The kooks are REALLY worked up tonight.

I've got an idea here - set up a new LGF feature "kook-spy" where you can automagically follow the comments of a specific subset of posters that you have labelled as kooks. This could be an entertaining way of following flounce activity in real time.

202 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:31pm

re: #189 Desert Dog

He won't get anywhere near it, Tony.

I tend to agree, but seeing how he has become more mainstream than he was in the past, I just wanted to be on the record in case anyone of influence in the GOP is reading LGF.

203 [deleted]  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:38pm
204 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #190 Pythagoras

The tea party. My bad.

And the Democrats have long since given LaRouche the cold shoulder.

205 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:36:01pm

re: #198 Racer X

(you mean we're not?? ...sucking sounds repeated)

206 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:36:24pm

re: #189 Desert Dog

He won't get anywhere near it, Tony.

Judging from the way the GOP is falling in line with the Ron Paul agenda, I'd say there's a VERY good chance that he will.

207 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:36:39pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Welcome, fellow gamer!

You go to GenCon, too? What games do you play?

Wha? Are you confusing me with another Fenris?

208 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:36:41pm

re: #177 Charles


Chapter 8: Social Psychology
The Role of Groups

Similar to this, Group Polarization refers to a groups tendency to talk itself into extreme positions. In this case, a group gets so focused and energized about a decision that it creates an internal fuel, so to speak, which pushes itself forward faster than originally intended. Imagine a group of protesters, all agreeing and deciding to picket. You can see how this could get out of hand because opposing views (Group Think) are not considered and the push to move forward for the cause is fueled internally (Group Polarization).

209 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:36:52pm

re: #164 NukeAtomrod

Maybe they didn't want to provoke the crazies in their midst? I sure wouldn't have.

My speech:

"If you think your government blew up the towers, stand up and be recognized! Cheer for yourselves! Cheer! Cheer! Cheer!

If you think we need to bring our troops home, shut down our borders and deport all Mexicans, stand up and be recognized! Cheer! Cheer! Cheer!

If you think we should trade in our dollars for builion, stand up and be recognized! Cheer! Cheer! Cheer!"

Bastards wouldn't give me a microphone. I was going to say something nice about Jew too, I promise...

210 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:37:09pm

Tea party movement has anger, no dominant leaders

"...In Louisville, Kentucky, two young men in camouflage fatigues roamed the crowd trying to recruit new members for their militia called the Ohio Valley Freedom Fighters. They bear signs reading "AK-47s: today's pitchfork" and "Quit worrying. Start your militia training today."

In Jackson, Michigan, a young man didn't need a sign. He was carrying the real thing: A loaded AK-47 assault rifle and two loaded handguns.

"I don't want a revolution. I don't want a civil war," he said. "But it is a possibility. It's there as an option, as a last resort..."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Sure, why worry about a small fringe...isn't that what someone wrote?

211 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:38:11pm

wow.

212 What, me worry?  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:38:19pm

re: #199 NukeAtomrod

Meh. Maybe so. Maybe I've just run into a lot of far lefties then. I didn't expect that to be the case, since I live near Pittsburgh. Generally, we're a practical people that like our Steelers, Donnie Iris, and fries on our salads. We dahn really go in for conspiracies n'at, like yinz in the big cities.

Well I don't know. That's my feeling anyway. The point upthread, however, was that the nutty far right should be excused while the nutty far left was never excused and that's what got my panties in a wad.

213 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:38:53pm

re: #183 Mich-again

No maybe just the top 5 nutjob groups would have been enough. There is much cross pollination in the nutty groups. Puking out the top 5 would probably get rid of 95% of the kooks.

I agree that would have been good, but very unusual. I can't think of any precedent for something like this. I can remember the "Stand In the Gap" guys announcing that their gathering was not political and to leave politics out -- but that was not denouncing a group.

The "political" thing to do with an inconvenient ally is to ignore them.

214 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:39:15pm

Perfectly ordinary political speech.///
[Link: twitpic.com...]

215 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:39:18pm

re: #206 Charles

Judging from the way the GOP is falling in line with Ron Paul agenda, I'd say there's a VERY good chance that he will.

I clearly remember RP getting laughed at by other GOP candidates during the debates. The audience was laughing at him too. We all laughed and mocked him mercilessly. If RP gets the nod America is doomed (just from the sheer stupidity).

216 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:39:26pm

re: #173 cliffster

Or, you just refuse to link a belief with the characterizations of people who are purported to have that belief. Then, we're all just making judgments based on what we logically think is correct, not on propaganda. How cool would that be?

I'm not sure I'm following you. I'm wondering if I should question what I've seen of leftist protests for the last 8 years, because I'm pretty sure similar amounts of "cherry-picking" could be said to have occurred, and probably did. What excitement in a photo report on protests would there be if the pictures were of normal people? But I digress-

If the standard for 8 years was to expose the kooks, why would the photos posted at the top of this thread be a problem?

217 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:39:50pm

re: #207 fenrisdesigns

Wha? Are you confusing me with another Fenris?

Sorry. I thought that photostream was yours. Also the Fenris is the name of a often-seen unit in a game I play. Please excuse my error.

218 DailyCOS  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:40:35pm

There was on kook that was not present in D.C. He was out rabble rousing a crowd in the traditional way that Presidents do yelling things like :

"They can't stop us!"
"I will not accept the status quo. Not this time. Not now,"
"If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Meanwhile...
In a CBS' "60 Minutes" interview to air Sunday night, Obama said he's focused on overhauling health care the right way. "I have no interest in having a bill get passed that fails. That doesn't work," he said.
He added: "I intend to be president for a while and once this bill passes, I own it." And if it doesn't work, Obama said: "I'm the one who's going to be held responsible. So I have every incentive to get this right."


Hmmm? Intends to be president for a while? Eight years of his blathering and telepromptering? God help us all.

219 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:40:58pm

re: #206 Charles

Judging from the way the GOP is falling in line with Ron Paul agenda, I'd say there's a VERY good chance that he will.

if the GOP puts either ron paul or Sarah Palin on the ticket in 2012, they'll lose 49 or 50 states. the only hope is for the crazies to burn themselves out in the next 2 years so Romney can cruise in and save the day.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:40:58pm

re: #214 jaunte

Perfectly ordinary political speech.///
[Link: twitpic.com...]

Oh.My.God. Any other words fail me.

221 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:41:11pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. I thought that photostream was yours. Also the Fenris is the name of a often-seen unit in a game I play. Please excuse my error.

Don't sweat it. I've met a Falcon or two myself.

222 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:41:38pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. I thought that photostream was yours. Also the Fenris is the name of a often-seen unit in a game I play. Please excuse my error.

Oooh. Critical fumble on your Charisma check. Ouch!

223 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:42:28pm

This is depressing:

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

224 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:42:30pm

re: #212 marjoriemoon

Well I don't know. That's my feeling anyway. The point upthread, however, was that the nutty far right should be excused while the nutty far left was never excused and that's what got my panties in a wad.

Left or right- nuts should be ridiculed.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:42:53pm

re: #219 _RememberTonyC

if the GOP puts either ron paul or Sarah Palin on the ticket in 2012, they'll lose 49 or 50 states. the only hope is for the crazies to burn themselves out in the next 2 years so Romney can cruise in and save the day.

Concur about Ron Paul, though I still have some hope for Palin. But like you, if the GOP nominates Luap Nor, I'll vote for Obama.

226 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:42:57pm

Some say that the cream rises to the top.

Today was proof positive that, to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, the scum also rises.

227 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:43:04pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

All Hail the Dark Lord!

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:44:04pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Nerd.
;)

You might be surprised to know, or perhaps not, that I once owned the original, first run boxed set of "Battledroids" before FASA quickly reissued it under the name "BattleMechs".

I wish I still had it, it might have been worth a few bucks.

229 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:44:04pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

All Hail the Dark Lord!


All hail Dorothy!

230 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:44:29pm

re: #218 DailyCOS

There's this thing called congress. You have Democrats in the majority and the Republican in a not so mall minority. You also have these people called Blue Dog Democrats. The president doesn't make law he will only sign the final bill. Everything thing is subject to due process and the final piece of legislation will not be the result of a fictional conspiracy. He has already stated his willingness to cooperate and the legislation has been through many changes and will likely see more changes as time progresses.

231 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:44:46pm

re: #218 DailyCOS

There was on kook that was not present in D.C. He was out rabble rousing a crowd in the traditional way that Presidents do yelling things like :

"They can't stop us!"
"I will not accept the status quo. Not this time. Not now,"
"If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Meanwhile...
In a CBS' "60 Minutes" interview to air Sunday night, Obama said he's focused on overhauling health care the right way. "I have no interest in having a bill get passed that fails. That doesn't work," he said.
He added: "I intend to be president for a while and once this bill passes, I own it." And if it doesn't work, Obama said: "I'm the one who's going to be held responsible. So I have every incentive to get this right."

Hmmm? Intends to be president for a while? Eight years of his blathering and telepromptering? God help us all.

Heaven forbid we have a president ready to take responsibility for his actions.

232 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:44:50pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Interesting theory. How do we know if the protest events of the last 8 years weren't similarly "cherry-picked"? If other people's work was indeed "cherry-picked" is it acceptable to do the same now, or should we question what we've been led to believe about leftist protests for the last 8 years?

Just wondering.

By now I think we can agree on one thing: objective reporting is pretty much a thing of the past (if it ever existed). The web simply empowers anyone to amplify (if only for a brief time) a particular idea.

So tonight we are on a discussion thread where it is obvious that a number of participants/organizers at the tea party were kooks / paulians.

But is that the most significant aspect? Or is the sheer number (still unknown, being estimated) a more important aspect?

Time will tell.

233 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:12pm

re: #214 jaunte

Perfectly ordinary political speech.///
[Link: twitpic.com...]

Those just keep coming in.

234 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:18pm

re: #202 _RememberTonyC

I tend to agree, but seeing how he has become more mainstream than he was in the past, I just wanted to be on the record in case anyone of influence in the GOP is reading LGF.

He is not going to be nominated for the Presidency. No way. If he runs again, he will probably get more than last time, but he will not resonate with the Party faithful. Does he motivate you? He motivates me only that I really want to find a leader to rally around. Ron Paul is not a leader.

The Birthers are freaks that will fizzle out before the next election. The JBS crowd will continue to wallow in their own shit, without any real access to power.

The Republican just need some leadership, that's all. We saw a freak show today, all of the loonies came out of the word work. But, to say everyone one in that crowd was an extremists loser is not true. The Democrats should be scared sh*tless about today's events. Obama has awoken a passion on the right that is going to make the midterms quite interesting. I have not heard too many posts here or elsewhere about the neverending Majority the Dems alledgely have.

If the economy does improve or Obama botches something else...look out...He'll join Jimmah and GHWB as a one termer.

All the Republicans need is a viable leader. Once (or if) that occurs, the Dems will really be shaking in their boots.

Down, but not out.

235 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:33pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Concur about Ron Paul, though I still have some hope for Palin. But like you, if the GOP nominates Luap Nor, I'll vote for Obama.

Palin is a nice lady and has potential to be an effective regional player if she gets some seasoning and wisdom. But on a national level, she is toast. paul is simply unacceptable on many levels, but I'm sure in his district he's a rock star.

236 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:40pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

because I'm pretty sure similar amounts of "cherry-picking" could be said to have occurred, and probably did.

it did. And either side it comes from, it's an attempt to link a belief with over-the-top people who happen to have that belief. "See this picture of crazy people? They believe in XYZ. Therefore, XYZ must be crazy". It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

237 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:46pm

I reflect back on something my Dad had said... and, yes, I have said this here before... but I don't care, I think it bears repeating.

My Dad died in May of 2009 at 91 years old.

My dad looked at the ways of the world (this was last year, but I don't remember the context... it had something to do with the election) and when we were talking about it (and I had asked what he thought of things) - his answer was that America had such momentum in a "good" way, that I shouldn't worry. When I asked him about specifics - and I did -he just poo-pooed it and said "Don't worry about it."

And that's my story, and I am sticking to it.

238 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:45:46pm

re: #223 Jimmah

This is depressing:

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Here's another Telegraph story that will lift your spirits:

British officer wins two gallantry awards for fending off Taliban attack with bayonet

239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:46:16pm

re: #223 Jimmah

Depressing if true, but this also may be a way to drum up interest with a fabricated controversy ala "Passion of The Christ" in Europe.

I suppose we'll see.

240 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:46:51pm

re: #223 Jimmah

This is depressing:

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That would be a damn shame. I'll just have to view it online.

/I bet it'll have a hard time getting shown in Turkey, too.
Anyplace else? Not so much.

241 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:46:53pm

re: #223 Jimmah

This is depressing:

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That is just sad. This is how bad things are getting.

It fits right in with the fact that someone read my post about the They Might Be Giants video promoting science, and accused me of bashing religion.

242 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:46:57pm

re: #236 cliffster

it did. And either side it comes from, it's an attempt to link a belief with over-the-top people who happen to have that belief. "See this picture of crazy people? They believe in XYZ. Therefore, XYZ must be crazy". It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

I'm pretty sure if you put "Obama is the Antichrist" into the XYZ spot, it stays crazy.

243 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:16pm

...and the good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye...

244 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:25pm

re: #206 Charles

Judging from the way the GOP is falling in line with Ron Paul agenda, I'd say there's a VERY good chance that he will.

No way that will happen.

245 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:27pm

re: #234 Desert Dog

All the Republicans need is a viable leader. Once (or if) that occurs, the Dems will really be shaking in their boots.


I don't think Republicans would accept a viable leader. Not crazy enough. Any politician that would pander to this crows could not possibly win a general election.

246 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:37pm

re: #232 noshariaincanada

So tonight we are on a discussion thread where it is obvious that a number of participants/organizers at the tea party were kooks / paulians.

But is that the most significant aspect? Or is the sheer number (still unknown, being estimated) a more important aspect?

Perhaps it's both- that a large number of people participated in an event organized by kooks. That's terrible.

247 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:37pm

re: #234 Desert Dog

I've seen signs about Bush stealing the 2000 election THIS WEEK. The Nirthers are forever too.

248 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:47:49pm

re: #244 Desert Dog

No way that will happen.

I'm glad you're so sure about that. I'm not.

249 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:48:08pm

re: #176 taxfreekiller

Back from dinner with the heart surgeon.
Still rain, rain, now 8" total.

Dr. says.
1. Not enough Dr.'s coming out of medical schools.
2. The ones coming out do not know how to diagnose, they only are able to diagnose by MRI, CAT SCAN, X-RAY and other high tech methods.
3. The Hospital Companies have all the Dr.'s on contracts for say $100,000 per year, + bonus, the bonus only gets paid if the Dr. keeps cost down, old people cost the most to care for so, they have an incentive not to use the high cost stuff on the old. Cheaper if they die.
4. If this new Pelosi deal passes, he thinks not long until every one will be treated by lower level people under the supervision of Corp. Dr.'s who will be more accounting people "bean counters" who have to keep an eye out for the regulators from the Fed's about going over budget.
5. He has been a heart surgeon from just after nam, say 1975 to now,
he says big trouble brewing, if you think it is bad now wait until this
deal gets going and the $ run low, and some flunky bud of some Congressman is the one who is doling out the $ for your child's operation and sends the kid home and infection sets in while the out of hospital time goes down and dies from infection shock.

he says that makes it no use to list
6,7,8,9, and 10 they are just worse.

like that he says

I know someone that became a doctor but went into a different field because he saw what was coming. Yes I have first hand proof.

250 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:48:43pm

re: #226 Salamantis

Some say that the cream rises to the top.

Today was proof positive that, to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, the scum also rises.

Youtube Video
251 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:48:58pm

Holy smokes! Watching a PBS show highlighting 60's music acts.

The Zombies.

Crap, they are so old they look like, well...zombies!

252 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:49:43pm

re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth

Nerd.
;)

You might be surprised to know, or perhaps not, that I once owned the original, first run boxed set of "Battledroids" before FASA quickly reissued it under the name "BattleMechs".

I wish I still had it, it might have been worth a few bucks.

I wish you had that set too. It would be worth quite alot today. Battletech just celebrated its 25th anniversary this year. I play once or twice a month. Let me know if you're ever going in the Chicago area and I'll see if we can get a game set up for the time you're here.

253 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:49:51pm

re: #249 freedomplow

I have two dual citizenship relatives who could have practiced medicine in the US or Canada. They chose Canada. First hand proof.

254 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:50:02pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I don't think Republicans would accept a viable leader. Not crazy enough. Any politician that would pander to this crows could not possibly win a general election.

Sure WE will. Do you think we are all stupid robots, under the sway of the all powerful Ron Paul? I'm not and neither are the majority of Republicans.

255 freetoken  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:50:42pm

re: #223 Jimmah

Sensuous Curmudgeon had a good entry on that one.

256 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:50:46pm

re: #234 Desert Dog

We'll see what happens. Michael Steele will have to respond to this and he's already been know to roll over against his own better judgment. They either take his advice or that of a completely unelectable national candidate or even one that couldn't find an interest with the public, Dick Armey.

257 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:50:58pm

re: #248 Charles

re: #244 Desert Dog

No way that will happen.

I'm glad you're so sure about that. I'm not.

He has VERY high hard negatives (ya think?). Conventional wisdom is that this rules him out.

258 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:51:20pm

re: #234 Desert Dog

the GOP needs to get its shit together and marginalize the crazies on the far right. the GOP needs a pro choice candidate who is fiscally responsible, strong on national defense, and willing to piss of the far right lunatics. such a candidate will do well with Independents and Reagan Democrats. And the votes they get from those two groups will more than offset the extreme right wingers who decide to sit it out or vote for some fringe candidate.

259 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #214 jaunte

Perfectly ordinary political speech.///
[Link: twitpic.com...]

Of course, the Antichrist. Where else can you go when you've exhausted the Hitler-Mussolini-Stalin comparisons?

260 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Perhaps it's both- that a large number of people participated in an event organized by kooks. That's terrible.

That's a simple-minded way of dismissing the sheer number of ordinary people who are unhappy with the current direction of US policy and are making themselves heard in an unprecedented way, kooks among them of course.

261 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:52:05pm

re: #242 jaunte

I'm pretty sure if you put "Obama is the Antichrist" into the XYZ spot, it stays crazy.

Ok, but you've completely missed the point. It's not that hard to understand. I believe that racism is bad. If there is an anti-racism rally down the street, and there happen to be some people there holding crazy-ass signs and chanting crazy-ass slogans, it doesn't make me a crazy ass. And it doesn't make anti-racism crazy. The point is that legitimate viewpoints on the left, and the right, are soiled by the supporters who are loud and stupid.

262 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:52:27pm

re: #259 Charles

Of course, the Antichrist. Where else can you go when you've exhausted the Hitler-Mussolini-Stalin comparisons?

And Isaiah 2:4 according to Glenn Beck.

//

263 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:52:37pm

re: #248 Charles

I'm glad you're so sure about that. I'm not.

If 2012 is Ron Paul vs Obama, I'd better move to Israel.
If it is still there after years of not doing anything about Iran.
(Actually, I have much more faith that G-d will protect Israel than that there will be a sane GOP candidate.)

264 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:52:43pm

Right Sharmuta? ;)

265 Fenris  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:53:07pm

re: #223 Jimmah

This is depressing:

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

If Michael Moore can keep finding distributors, Amiel probable will eventually. Probably Microcinema International; whoever picks up Loose Change will pick up anything.

266 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:53:19pm

re: #253 Coracle

I have two dual citizenship relatives who could have practiced medicine in the US or Canada. They chose Canada. First hand proof.

This one didn't have dual citizenship... What's your point?

267 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:53:21pm

re: #248 Charles

I'm glad you're so sure about that. I'm not.

Ron Paul is gaining more influence, that is for sure. But, the next Presidential election is a long way off. But, too many of his beliefs are just too outrageous to the Party faithful to stomach. Mitt Romney would kick is ass, so would Guiliani.

The Republicans have no leader...8 years of GWB and a weak showing by McCain has left a vacuum at top. The ones screaming the loudest are getting the press right now.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:53:50pm

re: #254 Desert Dog

Sure WE will. Do you think we are all stupid robots, under the sway of the all powerful Ron Paul? I'm not and neither are the majority of Republicans.

From your lips to God's ears, friend. May the GOP see Ron Paul for the nutcase that he is, and may he be run out of politics on a rail.

269 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:53:55pm

Charles, sent you some info a couple of minutes ago.

270 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:54:21pm

re: #267 Desert Dog

Ron Paul is gaining more influence, that is for sure. But, the next Presidential election is a long way off. But, too many of his beliefs are just too outrageous to the Party faithful to stomach. Mitt Romney would kick is ass, so would Guiliani.

The Republicans have no leader...8 years of GWB and a weak showing by McCain has left a vacuum at top. The ones screaming the loudest are getting the press right now.

And Romney is keeping quiet. Too quiet.

And with this, I need to take the dogs out and then go to bed.

271 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:54:24pm

good night Lizards ... CYA tomorrow

272 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:54:36pm

re: #260 noshariaincanada

That's a simple-minded way of dismissing the sheer number of ordinary people who are unhappy with the current direction of US policy and are making themselves heard in an unprecedented way, kooks among them of course.

No- it's not. It's a way of saying these decent folks, who are rightly troubled, are following the wrong people. They're being duped, and it pisses me off.

273 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:55:12pm

re: #271 _RememberTonyC

good night Lizards ... CYA tomorrow

NFL tomorrow!

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:55:19pm

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

It'll probably be a cold day in hell before I find myself in Chi-Town. Not that I am adverse to it, I just can't currently picture any reason I would ever find my self there.

If I do, I'll give you a holler. You'll have the unfortunate position of teaching me all the rules, though. At the time I bought Battledroids, I was at that point in my life where I could have gone either way: Gamer-Geek or Hell Raising Stoner.

Since most of my childhood friends grew to be hell-raising stoners, I went that way. Couldn't find anyone to play my geek-games with me.

275 Pythagoras  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:56:08pm

re: #253 Coracle

I have two dual citizenship relatives who could have practiced medicine in the US or Canada. They chose Canada. First hand proof.

My cousin (grew up in Bowie, MD) and her husband were physicians in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Now they practice in Arizona.

276 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:56:24pm

re: #261 cliffster

Ok, but you've completely missed the point. It's not that hard to understand. I believe that racism is bad. If there is an anti-racism rally down the street, and there happen to be some people there holding crazy-ass signs and chanting crazy-ass slogans, it doesn't make me a crazy ass. And it doesn't make anti-racism crazy. The point is that legitimate viewpoints on the left, and the right, are soiled by the supporters who are loud and stupid.

In this case, the issue is more about people standing with secessionists, racists, and crazies who think Obama is the Antichrist, simply because they all want lower taxes and smaller federal government. The fiscal conservativesget tainted by the crazies when they stay in the same crowd.

277 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:56:25pm

I need to share. May I?

Some guy over at VPundit just defended Stacy McCain because some of the most damning evidence against him was posted at New York Press. So the fact that something appeared in New York Press, one is to infer, means that it and its source are unreliable.

Well Stacy McCain has been posted at New York Press. Something he touts at his website.

Why think? Why google? Just get angry at the "Marxists" (you know - the non-Paulians) and the "turncoats".

278 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:56:30pm

re: #269 Floral Giraffe

Charles, sent you some info a couple of minutes ago.

Got it, thanks. A long-distance flounce.

279 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:56:42pm

I refuse to believe that Republicans would nominate a crazy person who would be 77 on inauguration day.

That's just a brooklyn Bridge too far.

/I hope

280 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:57:33pm

hey Night Lizards!

Anyone heard of this author?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

281 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:57:49pm

re: #277 karmic_inquisitor

I need to share. May I?

Some guy over at VPundit just defended Stacy McCain because some of the most damning evidence against him was posted at New York Press. So the fact that something appeared in New York Press, one is to infer, means that it and its source are unreliable.

Well Stacy McCain has been posted at New York Press. Something he touts at his website.

Why think? Why google? Just get angry at the "Marxists" (you know - the non-Paulians) and the "turncoats".

I'm appalled at what's become of the company I helped found.

282 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:57:50pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

No- it's not. It's a way of saying these decent folks, who are rightly troubled, are following the wrong people. They're being duped, and it pisses me off.

I would say that is pretty accurate of today's events. The crazies running the show had a nice turn out of their minions. And, they had an even larger group of everyday people along for the ride. These events are artificially pumping up the fringes of the right.

283 Driftwood  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:58:57pm

Hope to see a 3rd major political party forming in the near future.

284 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:59:10pm

re: #253 Coracle

I have two dual citizenship relatives who could have practiced medicine in the US or Canada. They chose Canada. First hand proof.

Do they care more? Is that it?

285 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:59:18pm

re: #275 Pythagoras

My cousin (grew up in Bowie, MD) and her husband were physicians in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Now they practice in Arizona.

Just goes to show there's no single answer. Different people, different opinions, needs, and actions.

286 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 9:59:55pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I don't think Republicans would accept a viable leader. Not crazy enough. Any politician that would pander to this crows could not possibly win a general election.

It pains me to agree with you.

Anyone rational gets stifled. The litmus tests are in place in every organizing committee. If you aren't a Social Conservative you have no chance. Not even to circulate a petition for candidacy.

The GOP is simply a fat, lazy hog for the Paulians to make bacon out of.

287 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:00:08pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

No- it's not. It's a way of saying these decent folks, who are rightly troubled, are following the wrong people. They're being duped, and it pisses me off.

and you simply just *know* they are being duped, so you must have the ability to read into the individual minds of about 1 to 2M people.

Amazing.

all these people are simply ron-paul/sean-hannity/glenn-beck drones, I guess.

288 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:00:55pm

re: #276 jaunte

In this case, the issue is more about people standing with secessionists, racists, and crazies who think Obama is the Antichrist, simply because they all want lower taxes and smaller federal government. The fiscal conservativesget tainted by the crazies when they stay in the same crowd.

Right.. and if you go back to my original #236, I'm saying that it's a mistake to think a belief is wrong simply because there are loud obnoxious crazy people nearby who a piggybacking on that belief.

289 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:01:16pm

re: #280 ggt

hey Night Lizards!

Anyone heard of this author?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Bruce Bartlett, Wiki

290 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:01:20pm

re: #279 Salamantis

I refuse to believe that Republicans would nominate a crazy person who would be 77 on inauguration day.

That's just a brooklyn Bridge too far.

/I hope


Who has national standing? I know things can change rapidly, but unless someone emerges within the next 18-24 mos. his chances are increased consierably.

291 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:01:27pm

re: #284 freedomplow

Do they care more? Is that it?

No. They clearly don't find Canada's system too onerous to work in. As I said to Pythagoras, different things work for different people.

292 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:01:33pm

re: #287 noshariaincanada

and you simply just *know* they are being duped, so you must have the ability to read into the individual minds of about 1 to 2M people.

Amazing.

all these people are simply ron-paul/sean-hannity/glenn-beck drones, I guess.

Uh -- the alternative is that they know full well that the organizers are Paulians and other extremist creeps, and agree with it.

Is that better than being duped?

293 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:02:05pm

re: #287 noshariaincanada

and you simply just *know* they are being duped, so you must have the ability to read into the individual minds of about 1 to 2M people.

Amazing.

all these people are simply ron-paul/sean-hannity/glenn-beck drones, I guess.

You mean they're not? Funny, that's not what the evidence shows.

294 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:02:12pm

re: #281 Charles

I'm appalled at what's become of the company I helped found.

I am truly sorry. I know how it feels to have something you create be taken from your hands and used against you.

295 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:03:12pm

re: #240 Salamantis

That would be a damn shame. I'll just have to view it online.

/I bet it'll have a hard time getting shown in Turkey, too.
Anyplace else? Not so much.

Alright, THIS really bothers me. Hopefully some minor distributor (or a start-up) will take it and make a fortune!

296 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:03:30pm

re: #290 BignJames

Who has national standing? I know things can change rapidly, but unless someone emerges within the next 18-24 mos. his chances are increased consierably.

Right now, the only one I see is Romney.

And I haven't heard much from him lately.

But I desperately want to.

297 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:03:56pm

re: #251 The Shadow Do

Holy smokes! Watching a PBS show highlighting 60's music acts.

The Zombies.

Crap, they are so old they look like, well...zombies!

I'm watching Pink Floyd with the hubby. Are we watching the same show?

298 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:04:11pm

re: #292 Charles

Uh -- the alternative is that they know full well that the organizers are Paulians and other extremist creeps, and agree with it.

Is that better than being duped?

there is another alternative: that *despite* some of the organizers being tainted, the issues are so big that people simply feel the need to vent, and please don't tell me that 1 to 2M "paulians" descended on Washington, DC today. That is what I am not buying.

299 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:04:33pm

re: #296 Salamantis

Right now, the only one I see is Romney.

And I haven't heard much from him lately.

But I desperately want to.

If there was ever a time for a leader to step up, it's now. And, with many apologies to Cato, it will not be Sarah Palin.

300 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:04:33pm

re: #296 Salamantis

Right now, the only one I see is Romney.

And I haven't heard much from him lately.

But I desperately want to.

Quite Concur.

301 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:04:35pm

re: #241 Charles

That is just sad. This is how bad things are getting.

It fits right in with the fact that someone read my post about the They Might Be Giants video promoting science, and accused me of bashing religion.

Yep - it's very sad to find this state of affairs in 21st century America. And of course, science doesn't bash religion per se at all, but it does have the power to shatter the bubble of unreality that fact-denying creationists and the like choose to live in. That's why they feel threatened by the mere mention of it.

302 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:04:51pm

re: #294 karmic_inquisitor

I am truly sorry. I know how it feels to have something you create be taken from your hands and used against you.


Yeah...happened to me w/a slingshot once.

303 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:05:08pm

re: #295 ggt

Alright, THIS really bothers me. Hopefully some minor distributor (or a start-up) will take it and make a fortune!

Better yet, I wanna see it win some Oscars.

That would embarrass the shit outta some people who sorely need to be embarrassed.

304 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:05:19pm

re: #298 noshariaincanada

there is another alternative: that *despite* some of the organizers being tainted, the issues are so big that people simply feel the need to vent, and please don't tell me that 1 to 2M "paulians" descended on Washington, DC today. That is what I am not buying.

There were nowhere near a million people there.

But if you think it's a great idea to look the other way and give your support to these people, you're really in a weird place.

305 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:05:48pm

re: #287 noshariaincanada

and you simply just *know* they are being duped, so you must have the ability to read into the individual minds of about 1 to 2M people.

Amazing.

all these people are simply ron-paul/sean-hannity/glenn-beck drones, I guess.

Should I assume they agree with paulians then?

(And there wasn't 1-2 million people there. Give me a break.)

306 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:05:48pm

Independents are the wild cards in both national and many local elections. How are they reacting to this crowd? How are they reacting to a Rep from South Carolina who accuses the President, *in Congress, to his face* of being a liar?

307 DailyCOS  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:06:03pm

re: #231 Coracle

Sure, he's gonna take responsibility for his actions. You think he cares about the effect it's going to have on you and your family? Sounds like you're OK with him saying "my bad" after bankrupting the country and ruining the best healthcare in the world. He's in the money and power, you, me and the average joe.. not so much. Look at the guys that ruined Fannie and Freddie, they walked off with millions after the destruction they left behind. After Obama gets done, the country will probably be made up more of two classes, the haves (rich) and the have-nots (poor) with no middle-class.

308 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:06:20pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

Killgore,

I know you took a lot of crap from many Lizards when you first started pointing out the lunatics involved in the Tea Party movement. I just wanted to say thanks to you for sticking to your guns and not backing down.

Thanks!

Racer X

309 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:06:53pm

re: #298 noshariaincanada

1 to 2M people did not descend on Washington DC today.

310 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:07:17pm

re: #289 Desert Dog

Bruce Bartlett, Wiki

I read that, but it didn't give much info about his associations in the current political spectrum. Just wondering if anyone read his books.

311 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:07:30pm

re: #298 noshariaincanada

there is another alternative: that *despite* some of the organizers being tainted, the issues are so big that people simply feel the need to vent, and please don't tell me that 1 to 2M "paulians" descended on Washington, DC today. That is what I am not buying.

No way all of those people were Paulians...there aren't that many Paulians.

There was a large percentage of loonies...we cannot deny that. But, no way that entire crowd was there for Ron Paul or John Birch or whoever else. Most of them were there to voice their anger at the way the country is heading.

312 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:07:46pm

re: #254 Desert Dog

Sure WE will. Do you think we are all stupid robots, under the sway of the all powerful Ron Paul? I'm not and neither are the majority of Republicans.

Imagine this: A Republican candidate says TARP was necessary (it's true) and the stimulus was also essential (also true). Not all of the healthcare ideas from the Dems are bad (also true).
How many votes are Republicans going to give him for that?

313 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:08:21pm

re: #308 Racer X

Thanks.

314 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:08:25pm

re: #297 ggt

I'm watching Pink Floyd with the hubby. Are we watching the same show?

Dark Side of the Moon was on the charts for 14 years? Is that really true?

315 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:08:31pm

re: #307 DailyCOS

Sorry, but that's pretty funny. Obama will create a country of haves or have nots? Where've you been?

316 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:08:47pm

re: #307 DailyCOS

Sure, he's gonna take responsibility for his actions. You think he cares about the effect it's going to have on you and your family? Sounds like you're OK with him saying "my bad" after bankrupting the country and ruining the best healthcare in the world. He's in the money and power, you, me and the average joe.. not so much. Look at the guys that ruined Fannie and Freddie, they walked off with millions after the destruction they left behind. After Obama gets done, the country will probably be made up more of two classes, the haves (rich) and the have-nots (poor) with no middle-class.

I don't see that as the path at all. But I'm not going to try to convince you. You've got your assumptions pretty well solidified, it seems to me.

317 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:09:16pm

re: #308 Racer X

Killgore,

I know you took a lot of crap from many Lizards when you first started pointing out the lunatics involved in the Tea Party movement. I just wanted to say thanks to you for sticking to your guns and not backing down.

Thanks!

Racer X

I tried to tell you he was right. You didn't want to hear it.

318 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:09:38pm

re: #311 Desert Dog

You've said that, but what you have not yet said is your suggestion for getting the normal people away from the crazies.

319 BignJames  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:01pm

re: #306 austin_blue


I'd say pretty much no reaction...not the kind of thing to swing an election...especially 3 years from now.

320 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:06pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

1 to 2M people did not descend on Washington DC today.

100k
or
1 million.

Doesn't matter. Misguided fools are still fools no matter the quantity. There's a better way to show dissent; embracing the kooks associated with RP, birthers, and Birchers is NOT the way.

321 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:23pm

re: #291 Coracle

Thought you were going after "they" care more.

I still think that.

322 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:40pm

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Imagine this: A Republican candidate says TARP was necessary (it's true) and the stimulus was also essential (also true). Not all of the healthcare ideas from the Dems are bad (also true).
How many votes are Republicans going to give him for that?

Some. He'd get many votes from Independents who used to be self-identified R's before the crazies stormed and took the castle. But the majority of present day R's? Not many.

323 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:44pm

re: #304 Charles

There were nowhere near a million people there.

But if you think it's a great idea to look the other way and give your support to these people, you're really in a weird place.

I'm absolutely NOT in support of the kooks. I have (from my 1st comment here) simply been bringing up the possibility that the majority of people at the tea party were nothing like the kooks shown in the pics that you have picked.

Since I was not there, I have no way of knowing what was represenTative, but I do insist that we do not try to paint things TOO far one way /or/ the other.

As for the number of protesters, I have picked numbers from some reports, and maybe they're too high. I do not know. Is there an accurate estimate out there?

324 Aye Pod  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:48pm

Dubstar - Stars

Youtube Video
325 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:50pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Independents are the wild cards in both national and many local elections. How are they reacting to this crowd? How are they reacting to a Rep from South Carolina who accuses the President, *in Congress, to his face* of being a liar?

Not sure about how that outburst will play out with Indies, but...

Commentary: Obama losing independent voters

A new Marist poll indicates President Barack Obama is starting to lose independent voter support.

326 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:10:57pm

re: #317 Charles

I tried to tell you he was right. You didn't want to hear it.

I know, I know!

[I told you I was slow]

327 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:11:15pm

re: #314 ggt

Dark Side of the Moon was on the charts for 14 years? Is that really true?

Album charts? Yes.

328 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:11:20pm

Scary. America is doomed!

329 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:11:36pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

You've said that, but what you have not yet said is your suggestion for getting the normal people away from the crazies.

I think the problem is that the crazies are not crazy on every issue, they only go whacko on their particular hot spot and then lose perspective. Most of the time they seem like normal people.

I know a couple and was totally suprised when I learned of their totally off-the-wall viewpoint on a single issue.

330 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:11:59pm

re: #326 Racer X

I know, I know!

[I told you I was slow]

Isn't that kind of a job liability for racers? ;)

331 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:11:59pm

re: #321 freedomplow

Thought you were going after "they" care more.

I still think that.

Not sure which "they" you're referring too. But your opinion is your own.

332 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:12:27pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

You've said that, but what you have not yet said is your suggestion for getting the normal people away from the crazies.

Sure I have...leadership...we ain't got none. We have Lord of the Flies playing out before our eyes. If the Republicans do not get someone to start leading...we see more and more of this nonsense.

333 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:12:33pm

re: #327 austin_blue

Album charts? Yes.

Well, it deserved it.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:12:38pm

Midnight Monster Hop is on.

:sigh:

I miss Ivonna Cadaver's Macabre Theater.

Okay, okay, I really just miss Ivonna.

335 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:12:53pm

re: #297 ggt

I'm watching Pink Floyd with the hubby. Are we watching the same show?

Never besmirk Pink Floyd

336 Racer X  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:12:59pm

re: #330 Sharmuta

Isn't that kind of a job liability for racers? ;)

It's why I wear a mask.

;-)

337 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:13:04pm

By the way. Ayn Rand wasn't about going backwards to the past. She was about moving forward. She had many negative points but she wasn't about turning back the clock to some Revolutionary War reenactors idea of the "USS Constertution." She wasn't into any of this anti-intellectualism either and her secular beliefs were diametrically opposed to this crowd.

338 cliffster  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:13:22pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

You never responded to my #236. I understand your anger at good, sensible folks' beliefs being tied to other people who are idiots, but you can't ignore the fact that there are good, sensible folks in the mix.

339 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:13:23pm

re: #323 noshariaincanada

I'm absolutely NOT in support of the kooks. I have (from my 1st comment here) simply been bringing up the possibility that the majority of people at the tea party were nothing like the kooks shown in the pics that you have picked.

Since I was not there, I have no way of knowing what was represenTative, but I do insist that we do not try to paint things TOO far one way /or/ the other.

As for the number of protesters, I have picked numbers from some reports, and maybe they're too high. I do not know. Is there an accurate estimate out there?

Washington Fire Department says 60-70,000.

340 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:13:36pm

re: #335 The Shadow Do

Never besmirk Pink Floyd

Oh my, that wasn't my intention. My apologizes.

341 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:13:51pm

re: #333 ggt

Well, it deserved it.

Yes it did.

342 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:14:03pm

re: #339 austin_blue

Washington Fire Department says 60-70,000.

That sounds about right from what I saw.

343 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:14:29pm

Guns were present as well.

Youtube Video
344 Desert Dog  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:14:31pm

Good night all

FOOTBALL tomorrow! yeah!

345 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:15:21pm

re: #337 Gus 802

By the way. Ayn Rand wasn't about going backwards to the past. She was about moving forward. Shehad many negative points but she wasn't about turning back the clock to some Revolutionary War reenactors idea of the "USS Constertution." She wasn't into any of this anti-intellectualism either and her secular beliefs were diametrically opposed to this crowd.

As with any idealist, I can't agree with everything Ayn wrote or believed, but I do think we are d@mn lucky she did write. She was and continues to be a strong voice for individualism

346 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:16:08pm

re: #340 ggt

Oh my, that wasn't my intention. My apologizes.

Kidding! (and that should have been besmirch by the way)

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:16:14pm

re: #296 Salamantis

I think he's playing it smart and "layin' in the cut", as the kids like to say.

348 I AM BREITBART!  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:16:58pm

re: #345 ggt

As with any idealist, I can't agree with everything Ayn wrote or believed, but I do think we are d@mn lucky she did write. She was and continues to be a strong voice for individualism

In late but just a comment. Ayn Rand is the only author who's books played in my mine in black and white as opposed to color. It was the weirdest experience I've ever had reading next to getting the crap scared out of me by "It".

349 Gus  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:17:02pm

re: #343 Thanos

Guns were present as well.


Oh boy. I guess that AK-47 stunt was for real.

350 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:17:28pm

re: #343 Thanos

Oi! I did my best to avoid this all day. This is a joke right?

351 Coracle  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:17:57pm

re: #348 Locker

In late but just a comment. Ayn Rand is the only author who's books played in my mine in black and white as opposed to color. It was the weirdest experience I've ever had reading next to getting the crap scared out of me by "It".

I hear that!

352 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:18:14pm

I most certainly cannot in all good conscience vote to re-elect the present administration, unless their direction on a number of issues radically changes.

But I also cannot in all good conscience vote to elect their political opposition, if what I have seen lately is representative of their views.

My political bed is presently empty, because the choice of sharing it with a skunk or a porcupine is no real choice at all.

353 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:19:12pm

re: #348 Locker

In late but just a comment. Ayn Rand is the only author who's books played in my mine in black and white as opposed to color. It was the weirdest experience I've ever had reading next to getting the crap scared out of me by "It".

I think I get what you mean and that was her point. She saw thru the crap and was able to write about it in an effective way. I do think her writings made and continue to make a difference in keeping the collectivists from totally engulfing us.

354 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:19:54pm

re: #349 Gus 802

Oh boy. I guess that AK-47 stunt was for real.

I thought it was an AR-15?

Dark Falcon, where are you?

:)

355 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:20:18pm

re: #332 Desert Dog

Sure I have...leadership...we ain't got none. We have Lord of the Flies playing out before our eyes. If the Republicans do not get someone to start leading...we see more and more of this nonsense.

Quite Concur. I would like Romney for the leader role. What would you think of that?

356 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:20:44pm

new thread? I just got here.

357 Mosse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:20:59pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean by "reconfiguration of world policy"? That term has been used by some people in the Alex Jones crowd. I'm not making an accusation, but given the history of the term, you do need to explain your use of it.

Reconfiguration of world policy is an expression that's used throughout foriegn policy journals -- from Foreign Policy to George Friedman's STRATFOR, and beyond. Alex Jones has no place in serious discussions. Consensus decisions on world policy, whether they are generated by the founders of the Washington Consensus that guided international policies in the 90s and part of the 2000s, the EU, or any of a number of international organizations, do move in trends based on analyses provided by various institutes with particular political inclinations. Most recently, these analyses, which you can google to easily, emphasize post-colonial interpretations that dismiss previous Western approaches, challenge Israel's right to exist, and promote a more collectivist, "communitarian" position. If one disagrees with this interpretation, there are various ways to present an alternative case. One way is writing in academic journals, which I do, presenting ideas in blogs, through the graciousness of people like Charles Johnson (to whom we do all owe a debt of gratitude), and by exercising our right to speak through peaceful demonstrations.

I think it's too early to dismiss, out of hand, the activities of the people who are responding to a rather radical change in US policy, in so many areas. They can certainly be coopted; I truly doubt that the majority are foolish enough to be "led" by extremists. Over time, I believe that they will drum the criminal-minded and hysterical types out of their midst. But, we'll see. Meanwhile, there is much to attend to, through all of the venues we all participate in. And, again, we have Charles to thank for the opportunity to air our (serious and legitimate) ideas on LGF. The freedom of responsible expression is one of our country's greatest strengths. Thanks for the question, so I could clarify my position, here.

358 I AM BREITBART!  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:21:18pm

re: #353 ggt

I think I get what you mean and that was her point. She saw thru the crap and was able to write about it in an effective way. I do think her writings made and continue to make a difference in keeping the collectivists from totally engulfing us.

Oh her ideas and imagery were very powerful... just in black and white. It was as if I were watching early TV for the entire book. I don't think it at all detracted from the works but instead added to them in the same way some scenes photograph better in black and white. Anyway I'm sure her art will continue to influence people for a long time to come.

359 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:21:29pm

re: #338 cliffster

You never responded to my #236. I understand your anger at good, sensible folks' beliefs being tied to other people who are idiots, but you can't ignore the fact that there are good, sensible folks in the mix.

For Pete's sake! When have I ever posted a comment ignoring such a thing?!

360 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:21:32pm

re: #354 ggt

I thought it was an AR-15?

Dark Falcon, where are you?

:)

I am here. What do you ask of me?

361 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:22:42pm

re: #357 Mosse

Your clarification is quite satisfactory and is updinged. Thank you.

362 jaunte  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:22:54pm

re: #354 ggt

This was a new stunt. AR-15 in Phoenix, AK-47 in Washington.

363 I AM BREITBART!  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:22:58pm

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

I am here. What do you ask of me?

Hehe I was gonna offer to help as well but couldn't find the guns in the video. Anyone have a time marker?

364 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:25:14pm

re: #343 Thanos

"I really don't want to be a, a guinea pig for the experiment they have with the population control".

WTF?!

Fuckit! I'm going to the next Tea Party. That's obviously where all the good dope is.

365 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:25:32pm

re: #343 Thanos

Thanks, I caught a snippet of that segment earlier.

366 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:27:23pm

re: #343 Thanos

That's actually a pretty damning segment. Thanks for posting.

367 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:27:47pm

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

I am here. What do you ask of me?

re: #362 jaunte

This was a new stunt. AR-15 in Phoenix, AK-47 in Washington.

Ah, jaunte came to the rescue. Thanks to both of you for your undying support in my firearms eduction.

368 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:28:30pm

Wow. There really was a guy with an AK-47 in Washington DC.

369 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:28:49pm

re: #364 Slumbering Behemoth

"I really don't want to be a, a guinea pig for the experiment they have with the population control".

WTF?!

Fuckit! I'm going to the next Tea Party. That's obviously where all the good dope is.

don't you wish . . . (longing for younger days)

:)

370 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:28:50pm

re: #330 Sharmuta

Isn't that kind of a job liability for racers? ;)

Ba-dum-bum!

371 DailyCOS  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:29:21pm

re: #315 Gus 802

Meaning, there won't be opportunities for the have-nots to have. Will your offspring, assuming you have some, have the same opportunities you've had living in the most prosperous nation on the planet?

My guess is those that will "have" in the future will be government workers.

372 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:29:28pm

re: #343 Thanos

Oh man, do the protesters come out looking like nuts in this one. And justifiably too, given all the signs comparing Obama to Hitler.

373 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:29:46pm

re: #358 Locker

Oh her ideas and imagery were very powerful... just in black and white. It was as if I were watching early TV for the entire book. I don't think it at all detracted from the works but instead added to them in the same way some scenes photograph better in black and white. Anyway I'm sure her art will continue to influence people for a long time to come.


If someone says "I'm really into Ayn Rand," I tend to back away nervously, but if someone says "I went through a Rand-worshipping phase when I was younger," I take it as a hopeful indicator that I'll get along with the person politically.

374 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:29:50pm

re: #368 Charles

Wow. There really was a guy with an AK-47 in Washington DC.

what an idiot!

(I still don't get the choice of an AK-47, but I guess Whacko's are as Whacko's do)

375 Mosse  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:30:13pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, too!

376 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:30:15pm

re: #368 Charles

Wow. There really was a guy with an AK-47 in Washington DC.

absolutely NOT LEGAL in D.C.!

377 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:31:13pm

re: #368 Charles

Wow. There really was a guy with an AK-47 in Washington DC.

Not really. That was a report from a guy who was following the bus tour. The scene of the guy pushing the counter protesters by the bus was in Pennsylvania (I think). Those clips were from the tour to get to DC so the guy with the gun was probably from a state/city along the route that allows open carry. Probably not DC.

378 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:31:26pm

I'm going through a lot of youtube vids right now from people who were there, the fringe was there for certain, but I'm going to say they were weren't the biggest part of the crowd (except maybe the people speaking on stage..._) The positive was that I saw a lot of signs with sentiments against congress, which is really where we need to be focusing.

379 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:31:45pm

re: #373 Throbert McGee

If someone says "I'm really into Ayn Rand," I tend to back away nervously, but if someone says "I went through a Rand-worshipping phase when I was younger," I take it as a hopeful indicator that I'll get along with the person politically.

I really like Ayn Rand. I wouldn't say I'm "into" her, but re-reading some of her work is enlightening in this political climate and with an (*ahem*) older person's perspective. I think I appreciate her more.

380 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:31:57pm

re: #354 ggt

I thought it was an AR-15?

Dark Falcon, where are you?

:)

Gas tube's on the top in that forward extension. See that curved fairing from the gas tube curving forward to the top of the barrel? AK or AK knockoff.

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:32:03pm

re: #369 ggt

don't you wish

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Often times I say that I am on a "protracted hiatus".

Perhaps when I retire, or win a lottery, or something...

382 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:33:17pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Oh man, do the protesters come out looking like nuts in this one. And justifiably too, given all the signs comparing Obama to Hitler.

Of course they are - even if the nuts were just a small part of the crowd the speakers, organizers etc. created an event that plays to media's hands.

383 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:33:40pm

re: #380 austin_blue

Gas tube's on the top in that forward extension. See that curved fairing from the gas tube curving forward to the top of the barrel? AK or AK knockoff.

I don't think I'll ever remember. Dark Falcon has done his best . . .

384 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:33:57pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Often times I say that I am on a "protracted hiatus".

Perhaps when I retire, or win a lottery, or something...

me too. . .

385 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:34:15pm

re: #368 Charles

Wow. There really was a guy with an AK-47 in Washington DC.

Yep, its an AKMS. It has a stock that folds under the receiver. Other than that, its a standard AK. Not customized like the AR-15 we saw in Phoenix. This one has only the standard iron sights, while the AR had optics.

386 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:35:06pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Not really. That was a report from a guy who was following the bus tour. The scene of the guy pushing the counter protesters by the bus was in Pennsylvania (I think). Those clips were from the tour to get to DC so the guy with the gun was probably from a state/city along the route that allows open carry. Probably not DC.

OK, I watched it again and it looks like you're right. That's from another city.

Still pretty freaking disturbing. He's talking about civil war and packing a semi-automatic rifle.

387 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:35:18pm

re: #331 Coracle

Not sure which "they" you're referring too. But your opinion is your own.

I was referring to this:

No. They clearly don't find Canada's system too onerous to work in. As I said to Pythagoras, different things work for different people.

I have two dual citizenship relatives who could have practiced medicine in the US or Canada. They chose Canada. First hand proof.

You tried to say that your relatives cared more about people and chose to work in Canada regardless of government control of the medical field.

It was very clear.

388 I AM BREITBART!  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:35:34pm

re: #373 Throbert McGee

If someone says "I'm really into Ayn Rand," I tend to back away nervously, but if someone says "I went through a Rand-worshipping phase when I was younger," I take it as a hopeful indicator that I'll get along with the person politically.

I found her work interesting but for me personally I am/was way too into the emotional/sensation/euphoric side of life for it to really turn me on. I like Robert Anton Wilson, Hermann Hesse, Robert Heinlein, etc a whole lot more.

389 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:38:18pm

re: #383 ggt

I don't think I'll ever remember. Dark Falcon has done his best . . .

Its simple. If it has a gas tube above the barrel, it's most likely an AK. But do keep asking, That's how we learn.

390 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:38:20pm

From the youtube surfing I"m doing the somewhat sane signs definitely outnumber the kook signs, but there are enough crazy signs there to tarnish the event. Would it have been so hard for the organizers to say "No Swastikas" or No signs saying "go back to Kenya?"

391 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:39:02pm

Following up on #373: I mean, I reject radical laissez-faire capitalism as the best way to structure society, but I'm more inclined to like someone who once upon a time "got" the slogan "taxation is theft at gunpoint" than someone who always instinctively flinched away and a priori rejected "taxation = theft". (Rejecting that slogan a posteriori as ultimately too simplistic is another matter.)

392 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:39:14pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

Its simple. If it has a gas tube above the barrel, it's most likely an AK. But do keep asking, That's how we learn.

The problem is that I learn by doing and since I can't shoot, it's very difficult to learn.

393 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:39:26pm

re: #382 Thanos

Of course they are - even if the nuts were just a small part of the crowd the speakers, organizers etc. created an event that plays to media's hands.

What an event looks like depends as much on who's behind the camera as on who is attending, because the person behind the camera decides which of the people who are there get to be in front of it.

And some people, I'm sure, display outrageous signs as a way of seeking media attention, not caring what kind of attention it is as long as they get it.

Nevertheless, there is ample and abundant evidence that teh crazy was strong there today.

394 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #379 ggt

I really like Ayn Rand. I wouldn't say I'm "into" her, but re-reading some of her work is enlightening in this political climate and with an (*ahem*) older person's perspective. I think I appreciate her more.

Well, as long as you understand that she's not the Messiah!

395 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:40:31pm

re: #390 Thanos

From the youtube surfing I"m doing the somewhat sane signs definitely outnumber the kook signs, but there are enough crazy signs there to tarnish the event. Would it have been so hard for the organizers to say "No Swastikas" or No signs saying "go back to Kenya?"

They could try that, if they weren't crazies themselves.

396 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:41:50pm

re: #394 Throbert McGee

Well, as long as you understand that she's not the Messiah!

I have a hard time, sometimes, believing that the Messiah was/is the Messiah. I'm just not a "joiner".

No worries, I refuse to worship an entity I can name with certainty.

397 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:42:04pm

re: #392 ggt

The problem is that I learn by doing and since I can't shoot, it's very difficult to learn.

I don't shoot either, I just committed some details to memory and I have a couple books for reference purposes when I need them. I hope to buy an AR myself one day when I can afford it.

398 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:43:12pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

I don't shoot either, I just committed some details to memory and I have a couple books for reference purposes when I need them. I hope to buy an AR myself one day when I can afford it.

I hear they are lots of fun. Would probably unhinge every joint in my body. . . .

399 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:44:58pm

re: #398 ggt

I hear they are lots of fun. Would probably unhinge every joint in my body. . . .

Get a .22 rifle. They have a very mild kick, and would be a good and cheap way to get started.

400 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:49:34pm

re: #392 ggt

The problem is that I learn by doing and since I can't shoot, it's very difficult to learn.

AK family:

Image: ak47.jpg

AR15: (This is the carbine, short barrel)

Image: AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg

FN:

Image: 5064-04.jpg

H&K (Yo!):

Image: HK91GNLABEL.jpg

401 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:49:35pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Get a .22 rifle. They have a very mild kick, and would be a good and cheap way to get started.

tried it, can't do it. joints are in bad, bad shape.

402 ggt  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:49:54pm

re: #400 austin_blue

AK family:

[Link: www.vegastell.com...]

AR15: (This is the carbine, short barrel)

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

FN:

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

H&K (Yo!):

[Link: www.gunsworkshop.net...]

Thank you! :)

403 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 10:55:41pm

re: #401 ggt

tried it, can't do it. joints are in bad, bad shape.

Sorry to hear that. We need to get you an M1919 replica semi-auto. You can get a tripod with those, so you can sit behind it and shoot with comfort. :)

404 Quarkie  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:27:45pm

Anyone notice the bottom of the "Barack Obama supports Abortion, Sodomy, Socialism and New World Order" sign ... "So did Bill Clinton and George W. Bush"

Fascinating.

405 MJ  Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:45:56pm

re: #386 Charles

OK, I watched it again and it looks like you're right. That's from another city.

Still pretty freaking disturbing. He's talking about civil war and packing a semi-automatic rifle.

I posted that earlier. The story comes from CNN:

Tea party movement has anger, no dominant leaders

"...In Louisville, Kentucky, two young men in camouflage fatigues roamed the crowd trying to recruit new members for their militia called the Ohio Valley Freedom Fighters. They bear signs reading "AK-47s: today's pitchfork" and "Quit worrying. Start your militia training today."

In Jackson, Michigan, a young man didn't need a sign. He was carrying the real thing: A loaded AK-47 assault rifle and two loaded handguns.

"I don't want a revolution. I don't want a civil war," he said. "But it is a possibility. It's there as an option, as a last resort..."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

406 jordash1212  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:23am

I thought the "new world order" was what Bush was trying accomplish?

407 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:07:25am

Is Westboro Baptist Church going to the next one?

408 eneri  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:19am

GHBush first (in this country) used the term new wold order. Those signs were frightening in the idiocy and danger of a mob.They were also reflective of the story just above this one. Did you notice the Amos and Andy look they gave President Obama.

409 AtadOFF  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:22:09am

LOL some of those signs...

reminds me of Jack "Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here!"

410 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:01:26am
411 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:08:25am

re: #410 EndlessBob

And did you ever question the work of others when they were exposing the kooks at left wing protests? Ever claim they picked "the most-out there signage" to represent the protests?

412 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:29:26am
413 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:29:27am
414 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:41:31am

So long, haters. Whatever you do, don't look at the extremists who run the tea parties. Reality must be kept at bay.

415 eagleheart  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:13:11am

My God people, do you not understand that in almost all human endeavor there is both good and bad. If we allow our brains to become cloistered in our ability to see only things we we want to see through a little peep hole we become as messed up as the the bad that is presented.
Obama has said and done things both good and bad as has the Tea Parties, but I believe the percentage of bad is much greater on the Obama side. This does not excuse the bad presentations in the Tea Parties but let it not take away the good that is their

416 Seax  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:30:55am

Folding stock AK type.
Possibly a Yugoslav semi auto M70 type
- hasn't got the third selection lever i-dent.
Doesn't look like he uses it much - clean receiver
and has no selector lever wear marks on it, gas ports also lack gas cutting from lots of use.Also has the off set muzzle brake still on it - get rid of that and your accuracy will improve ( for an AK that is - LOL).
I learnt long ago it's not the young guys with the AK's you have to watch out for. It is the old guys with the bolt guns that will clean your clock
every time.
Just my 2 cents worth.

417 im_gumby_damnit  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 1:35:44pm

There were probably a lot of people at this event that are normal, conservative Americans who are very concerned about the direction of this country. I applaud them for getting off their backsides and trying to do something about it.

However, it's a tragedy that these folks are channeling their time, talent, money and energy into this movement. If we had real leadership in the Republican party, this probably wouldn't be happening. The Paulians, Birthers, etc. have taken great advantage of this vacuum.

418 im_gumby_damnit  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 1:38:26pm

Hey, I just figured out how to use the spy tool. That's pretty dang cool.

419 Mikey_Dallas  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:11:18pm

Somehow, I doubt that the majority of the people at this Washington rally are nuts, but of course, that's what the media is going to show. Dog bites man is never the story.

But the fact that tens of thousands of people got their butts to DC for this is compelling in that it takes a lot of interest to get up and travel somewhere for something like this. I doubt most of these folks, unlike the code pinkers, have anyone paying the freight for their travels.

420 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:02:46pm
421 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:09:02pm

Epic length flounce.

422 Lawrence Schmerel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:45:18pm

I was going to let this event pass without comment or criticism until I saw the giant puppets. Seeing those giant puppets was like a being smacked in the face with an ice-cold herring of reality.

423 Mauser  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:43:03pm

Okay, I was wrong. there were giant puppets. I'm man enough to admit it.

424 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:23:59pm

The creationists are missing. Where are they?

425 Eric Blair  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:30:27pm

Giant puppets. Caricatures of the president as Satan. Plus ca change...

426 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:31:13pm

re: #338 cliffster

You never responded to my #236. I understand your anger at good, sensible folks' beliefs being tied to other people who are idiots, but you can't ignore the fact that there are good, sensible folks in the mix.

It doesn't matter. In the public eye, all people will remember are the kooks who compared Obama with Adolph Hitler. The GOP has a SERIOUS #$&^!*% problem on its hands.

427 Eric Blair  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:37:00pm

re: #414 Charles

Whatever you do, don't look at the extremists who run this presidency. Humankind cannot bear very much reality

428 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:49:48pm

re: #427 Eric Blair

Whatever you do, don't look at the extremists who run this presidency. Humankind cannot bear very much reality

I guess you must have been asleep for the hundreds of posts at LGF that did exactly that.


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