Since we now see some right wing bloggers claiming that Hitler-Nazi imagery was hardly even visible at yesterday’s tea party in Washington DC, here are a dozen photos we’ve found with a quick look around the web. There are lots more; it would take a week to post them all.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:32:05pm |
Disgusting and insulting to those who were victimized by the actual nazis.
*spit*
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:32:29pm |
Last pic, funny how the guy's face is cut off but it looks as if though he has a Nazi'stache...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:33:14pm |
But... but.. the liberals... they did it first!
/
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:33:54pm |
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:34:19pm |
A little levity, needed at this time: the 'Don't Tax Me Bro!' is hella funny. Too bad it's behind the '39 all over again' sign.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:34:50pm |
There is obviously a strong anti-war/isolationist element involved in these demonstrations. This reflects Paulian and Alex Jones troofer influence but there may be more to it than that.
Interestingly, FreedomWorks mastermind Dick Armey was one of the few conservative Republican representatives who had serious misgivings about the Iraq war. He has talked more about this recently than he did at the time.
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arethusa Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:34:57pm |
Wow, the "Faces of Fascism" guy doesn't like anyone much, does he?
I think a lot of these people wouldn't like any government, period.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:35:42pm |
For 8 years, comparisons of Bush and hitler enraged the right. Seeing these images makes me wonder why, though. Was it wrong because Bush isn't hitler, or was it wrong just because Bush was a republican?
Seems the answer is posted above.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:36:49pm |
Even if 1,000 people had Obama/Hitler type signs at the DC protest (which there were not) I really don't see why it is significant. CNN and the New York Times spend enough time trying to use those images to discredit the entire protest.
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Russkilitlover Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:36:53pm |
re: #7 BigPapa
A little levity, needed at this time: the 'Don't Tax Me Bro!' is hella funny. Too bad it's behind the '39 all over again' sign.
I like "Czar's Czuck!" Made me LOL - really.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:37:46pm |
re: #11 Captain Jack
Even if 1,000 people had Obama/Hitler type signs at the DC protest (which there were not) I really don't see why it is significant.
The people who are denying the existence of the signs seem to think it's significant, or why deny it?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:38:11pm |
re: #10 Sharmuta
Animal Farm Ideologues. Four legs Republicans good, two legs Democrats bad.
This works in reverse, BTW.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:38:25pm |
re: #9 arethusa
Wow, the "Faces of Fascism" guy doesn't like anyone much, does he?
I think a lot of these people wouldn't like any government, period.
That's exactly true. My traitorous brother "Judas" (who ran off with my first wife 30 years ago) is a Dominionist nutjob who asserts that all government except that necessary to enforce Biblical law should be abolished. That especially includes public schools. (He makes his living selling homeschool materials. go figure.) He and the ex have been very active in tea parties in their area.
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arethusa Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:38:54pm |
You know, it's a lot like using expletives has replaced being articulate and speaking intelligently. The political equivalent of the f-word is now apparently calling someone Hitler.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:39:14pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
That's exactly true. My traitorous brother "Judas" (who ran off with my first wife 30 years ago) is a Dominionist nutjob who asserts that all government except that necessary to enforce Biblical law should be abolished. That especially includes public schools. (He makes his living selling homeschool materials. go figure.) He and the ex have been very active in tea parties in their area.
Stone him for adultery.
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Chekote Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:39:15pm |
How do you all think the guy holding the "Tort Reform" sign felt surrounded by the conspiracy nuts?
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Pianobuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:39:22pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:39:31pm |
re: #16 buzzsawmonkey
It's paltry and pathetic.
I don't recall you ever complaining about similar posts when they were about left wing demonstrations.
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Russkilitlover Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:39:38pm |
re: #4 MandyManners
The third one has Pres. Bush, too?
Much as I liked and miss Bush. He did get the bailout balls rolling. Not to mention a huge expansion of Medicare a few years ago. Not much of a fiscal conservative.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:40:25pm |
re: #20 Alouette
Stone him for adultery.
I've pointed out that penalty with him and the ex more than once. Good thing I'm not a fundamentalist.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:40:31pm |
re: #14 Charles
But really who cares if there were some nuts there. They are just the usual wackos who seem to take a liking to organizing these protests on both the left and the right. Lots of passion lots of excess and some poor judgment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:41:44pm |
re: #23 Charles
I took that to mean he believes anyone using nazi invective to slime their political opponents is being pathetic and paltry.
Buzz, am I reading you right?
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:41:48pm |
re: #26 Captain Jack
But really who cares if there were some nuts there. They are just the usual wackos who seem to take a liking to organizing these protests on both the left and the right. Lots of passion lots of excess and some poor judgment.
It's the nuts who are running these events.
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:41:49pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
That's exactly true. My traitorous brother "Judas" (who ran off with my first wife 30 years ago) is a Dominionist nutjob who asserts that all government except that necessary to enforce Biblical law should be abolished. That especially includes public schools. (He makes his living selling homeschool materials. go figure.) He and the ex have been very active in tea parties in their area.
And I thought my sister who turned Jehovah's Witness along with her third hubby was crazy. Well, she is...
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Pianobuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:42:01pm |
re: #18 Sharmuta
Huh?
I took that to mean someone that the signs are like a stream of consciousness rant. Like the pictures of the 8 people with Hitler moustaches (including Bush and Paulson for whatever reasons). What statement does this make? Any? Not very cogent anyway. That's how I read the comment anyway.
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ArchangelMichael Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:42:59pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
That's exactly true. My traitorous brother "Judas" (who ran off with my first wife 30 years ago) is a Dominionist nutjob who asserts that all government except that necessary to enforce Biblical law should be abolished. That especially includes public schools. (He makes his living selling homeschool materials. go figure.) He and the ex have been very active in tea parties in their area.
I'm sure there is some spooky shit in leviticus you can throw back at him for running off with your first wife.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:43:05pm |
re: #26 Captain Jack
But really who cares if there were some nuts there.
1) The nuts were the actual organizers.
2) You might care when this backfires. And it will.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:44:18pm |
re: #35 buzzsawmonkey
I believe you are misunderstanding my point, which is expanded on in ##16 & 31.
OK, got it now.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:44:37pm |
re: #32 buzzsawmonkey
I didn't get much sleep last night, so not much is clear to me today. My eyeballs seem to have grown fur.
Anyway, high five!
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:45:01pm |
The Obama == Hitler signs are a bit down percent wise from previous teaparties simply because of Gland Beck. He's focusing on Czars so you are see more "Obama=USSR/Commie/Stalin" etc signs replacing the Obama=hitler signs.
Now is Gland Beck Lachrymal or Bilious or both?
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:45:51pm |
re: #25 Shiplord Kirel
I've pointed out that penalty with him and the ex more than once. Good thing I'm not a fundamentalist.
Also that coveting thing.
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Chekote Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:46:08pm |
Why would Powerline post something that can so easily be refuted by photo evidence? Are they blind? Stupid? What?
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:46:19pm |
We know International ANSWER was behind much of the BDS-themed Hitlerian signage of that era's protests. Who's organizing for the Tea Party fringers? Has anyone ever nailed it down? Sorry if it's common knowledge, I've been really busy of late and not keeping up with the latest political maneuverings.
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ArchangelMichael Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:46:40pm |
re: #34 Sharmuta
You might care when this backfires. And it will.
"You ignorant ass! You've killed us!" - Soviet Alfa (Lira) class sub XO.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:46:59pm |
re: #41 Chekote
Why would Powerline post something that can so easily be refuted by photo evidence? Are they blind? Stupid? What?
They're partisan hacks.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:47:10pm |
This surfeit of cheap nazi imagery may actually be leading the gullible to think the Nazis weren't so bad. Impossible? Considering the abysmal ignorance of history in many segments of society, I can see it happening.
The other day, somebody was wondering if the Eurofascists' alleged support for Israel is actually the result of anti-Israeli propaganda having convinced them that Israel really is a fascist state.
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:47:51pm |
Use of Nazi imagery under ANY circumstances is vile and uncalled for...Two wrongs don't make a right...Conservative's are in an excellent position w/o this crap.
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:47:55pm |
re: #31 buzzsawmonkey
Sticking a cut-out portrait of whomever you want to snark at on top of a Nazi torso, or pasting on a little black Hitler-mustache smear on whoever you want to excoriate is cheap collage.
It's not political commentary in any serious way--it's collage that's used in place of any kind of genuine political commentary. See my #16 above for a larger exposition of this. The cheap-collage substitute of paste-on swastikas or Hitler mustaches or SS uniforms for any vestige of thought was shallow and stupid when the Left did it, and it is shallow and stupid when the Right does it.
It's also Godwin's Law in action, but nobody seems to care about that law anymore. I thought it was a good law.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:48:04pm |
I think this pretty much proves people don't know shit about fascism.
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mich-again Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:48:28pm |
I think its disrespectful to the victims of the holocaust for right wingers and left wingers to use the Hitler image to smear their current political foe. Disgusting and I don't just blame the idiots holding up the posters, but all the reasonable people who walked by the idiots and didn't give them an earful. The silence is tacit approval.
I wouldn't be a part of a rally if there was crap like that.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:49:40pm |
So what if a few nuts organized the event. I was there and it had nothing to do with a birther a truther or a paulite or even a supporter of the john birch society or even pat buchanen. The purpose of focusing on pictures depicting support for them is designed to discredit the whole thing in a wave of disgust or confusion. Somehow people with jobs protesting government excess is not news just a few laroche or birther placard holders. Who showed pictures of all the left wing wackos at the anti war or anti bush rallies? Who showed pictures of signs with International ANSWER support? No major network I saw.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:50:23pm |
All these tea parties are doing is driving sane Republicans like me away from the Republican party.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:50:23pm |
re: #45 Shiplord Kirel
This surfeit of cheap nazi imagery may actually be leading the gullible to think the Nazis weren't so bad. Impossible?
Not impossible in the least. Buchanan makes a living at selling such tripe.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:51:10pm |
The cheap comparison of everyone's opponent du jour to Hitler and nazis fills me with seething rage. It trivializes the Holocaust and then Holocaust denial is just a short (goose) step down the road.
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ArchangelMichael Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:51:15pm |
re: #49 mich-again
I used to give an earful to people who compared GITMO to Soviet gulags and Nazi Concentration camps. Totally disrespectful of those who suffered due to real tyranny. You are right. These comparisons are basically the same thing and just as insulting.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:51:22pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:52:14pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
So what if a few nuts organized the event.
And that's the attitude that's letting these haters and kooks get away with co-opting the right wing. Good luck with that.
Who showed pictures of all the left wing wackos at the anti war or anti bush rallies? Who showed pictures of signs with International ANSWER support?
The same blog you're reading right now.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:52:15pm |
re: #31 buzzsawmonkey
Sticking a cut-out portrait of whomever you want to snark at on top of a Nazi torso, or pasting on a little black Hitler-mustache smear on whoever you want to excoriate is cheap collage.
It's not political commentary in any serious way--it's collage that's used in place of any kind of genuine political commentary. See my #16 above for a larger exposition of this. The cheap-collage substitute of paste-on swastikas or Hitler mustaches or SS uniforms for any vestige of thought was shallow and stupid when the Left did it, and it is shallow and stupid when the Right does it.
It amounts to symbolism which is very telling of the underlying political and sociological motivations behind the creator of the sign. The end result is that this symbolism become representative of the group regardless of the frequency. This is because of the shocking nature of the symbolism.
Since this event took place under the auspices of Freedomworks and the presence of many elected members of the GOP the impact of this symbolism will fall heavily on the GOP. Freedomworks is also an outgrowth of Citizens for a Sound Economy with the former acting as an intermediary for industry PACs as well as GOP interests.
In light of this it would be in the best interest of Freedomworks and the GOP to denounce this symbolism in both writing and in public.
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lightspeed Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:52:42pm |
Comparing a political figure to Hitler has become standard fare. It is intellectually lazy, a way to demonize someone without making any real arguments. The fringe left did it, now it's the fringe right. Anyone who resorts to this comparison should be ashamed. Any protester who stands side-by-side with these morons should be ashamed as well. I don't care how many "similarities" between Obama and Hitler there may be, Obama is no Hitler. Obama may turn out to be a fascist in the end, but until he starts shipping people off and gassing them, STFU. This kind of BS is tainting the whole movement. Disgusting.
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:53:04pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
So what if a few nuts organized the event. I was there and it had nothing to do with a birther a truther or a paulite or even a supporter of the john birch society or even pat buchanen. The purpose of focusing on pictures depicting support for them is designed to discredit the whole thing in a wave of disgust or confusion. Somehow people with jobs protesting government excess is not news just a few laroche or birther placard holders. Who showed pictures of all the left wing wackos at the anti war or anti bush rallies? Who showed pictures of signs with International ANSWER support? No major network I saw.
Zombie, LGF and a lot of other conservative blogs at the time showed the disgusting images from the BDS days. Occasionally Fox News did, too.
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Pianobuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:53:32pm |
re: #45 Shiplord Kirel
This surfeit of cheap nazi imagery may actually be leading the gullible to think the Nazis weren't so bad. Impossible? Considering the abysmal ignorance of history in many segments of society, I can see it happening.
The other day, somebody was wondering if the Eurofascists' alleged support for Israel is actually the result of anti-Israeli propaganda having convinced them that Israel really is a fascist state.
Part of me agrees and part disagrees. I think the imagery is used because it's the worst possible insult some can think of giving. If it gets diluted my guess is it's on the receiving end. After years of Bush = Hitler stuff, when I would see another image, it would become a big "yeah, whatever". You become numb. Sometimes when the race card is over-drawn the same thing happens, imo. The repetition does tend to take on the effect of a local anesthetic on the target.
None of which makes any of it right, then or now, however.
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:53:33pm |
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:54:00pm |
If you want to see some really crazy spolitical signs from the left go to zombie time . com. The few crude birther or obama/hitler signs are pathetic by comparison.
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rwmofo Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:54:19pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
Bingo. When you have a large crowd full of people with good intentions, the crazies and the Nazi-signs are bound to creep in. This doesn't automatically make the all the good guys a bunch of wackos as well.
Excellent point on the MSM too. Wackos are the main focus when the core is from the right while they are ignored when the core supporters are from the left.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:54:25pm |
re: #60 garycooper
Zombie, LGF and a lot of other conservative blogs at the time showed the disgusting images from the BDS days. Occasionally Fox News did, too.
You'll note that no one ever claimed "cherry-picking" back them either.
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MandyManners Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:54:35pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
So what if a few nuts organized the event. I was there and it had nothing to do with a birther a truther or a paulite or even a supporter of the john birch society or even pat buchanen. The purpose of focusing on pictures depicting support for them is designed to discredit the whole thing in a wave of disgust or confusion. Somehow people with jobs protesting government excess is not news just a few laroche or birther placard holders. Who showed pictures of all the left wing wackos at the anti war or anti bush rallies? Who showed pictures of signs with International ANSWER support? No major network I saw.
What is Charles? Chopped liver?
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:54:51pm |
re: #53 Alouette
The cheap comparison of everyone's opponent du jour to Hitler and nazis fills me with seething rage. It trivializes the Holocaust and then Holocaust denial is just a short (goose) step down the road.
The cheapening of the word "denial" fills me with rage and loathing, too.
(j/k)
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MandyManners Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:55:08pm |
re: #64 Captain Jack
If you want to see some really crazy spolitical signs from the left go to zombie time . com. The few crude birther or obama/hitler signs are pathetic by comparison.
Zombie has shared her/his photographs here.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:55:18pm |
re: #64 Captain Jack
If you want to see some really crazy spolitical signs from the left go to zombie time . com. The few crude birther or obama/hitler signs are pathetic by comparison.
Zombie has been a major contributor here for many years and his/her reports have been among the popular and revealing LGF articles.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:55:27pm |
re: #64 Captain Jack
You are either blind or willfully pushing this obfuscation. I vote willful.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:55:32pm |
re: #58 lightspeed
The problem is the Democrats were forced to renounce their lefties. Howard Dean pushed them to the side and every democratic candidate was forced to denounce Moveon.org in the primary.
Unfortunately we're seeing very few elected officials on the right denouncing their crazy uncles.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:56:14pm |
re: #65 rwmofo
Bingo. When you have a large crowd full of people with good intentions, the crazies and the Nazi-signs are bound to creep in. This doesn't automatically make the all the good guys a bunch of wackos as well.
Excellent point on the MSM too. Wackos are the main focus when the core is from the right while they are ignored when the core supporters are from the left.
I believe the crazies are the ones organizing these things. And the good folks are getting sucked in not knowing just how crazy the crazies are. It's a mess.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:56:25pm |
And another flounce in the Powerline thread.
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Chekote Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:56:46pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
So what if a few nuts organized the event.
Would you have felt the same if the rally was sponsored by ANSWER, Code Pink, etc>? The point is that we on the right criticized people for calling Bush Hitler. Criticized radical, racist associations and now we are going to look the other way because we agree with some of the goals of the Tea Parties?
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:57:24pm |
re: #56 Charles
I get your point but I guess I have already had my fill of it before coming to your blog. Nobody was pointing out to the masses what you focused on during the Bush terms as far as the political opposition. Now that same strain of material is being used to discredit the entire movement by the media. Either way its a major political advantage to the democrats.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:57:40pm |
re: #51 Enkidu90046
All these tea parties are doing is driving sane Republicans like me away from the Republican party.
Exactly what happened to the Dems when they let the lunatics run the asylum back in 2002 and 2004 - they lost, big time, because they made moderates extremely uncomfortable. Moderates make up the bulk of the vote - it's impossible to win without them, and that's true of both sides.
It wasn't until 2006 and 2008, when Howard Dean started locking the really objectionable loons in the closet, that the Dems started winning again.
A similar fate awaits the GOP if they don't put a sock in this movement's mouth, and soon.
And, to be very frank, I'll have a very hard time associating myself with a party that welcomes neo-Nazis and racists not only into it's ranks, but into it's upper echelons.
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Chekote Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:57:58pm |
re: #74 Charles
And another flounce in the Powerline thread.
Darn. Always miss these things before they are deleted. I want to see what a flounce looks like. Oh well...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:58:09pm |
re: #62 Pianobuff
It is the worst possible insult. Sadly, those doing the insulting do not realize (or maybe they do, I dunno) that the ones they are insulting those who truly suffered at the hands of a nazi state.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:58:34pm |
re: #70 Shiplord Kirel
Zombie has been a major contributor here for many years and his/her reports have been among the popular and revealing LGF articles.
But now when the shoe is on the other foot, it's all "cherry-picking!" and not representative. People can keep pushing this line if they want to- it only blows back on folks who exposed the left wing kooks as they are now open to the same claims.
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:58:38pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
Chopped liver:
Ingredients
2 pounds chicken livers
1 cup rendered chicken fat
2 cups medium-diced yellow onion (2 onions)
1/3 cup Madeira wine
4 extra-large eggs, hard-cooked, peeled, and chunked
1/4 cup minced fresh parsley leaves
2 teaspoons fresh thyme leaves
2 teaspoons kosher salt
1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
Pinch cayenne pepper
Directions
Drain the livers and saute them in 2 batches in 2 tablespoons of the chicken fat over medium-high heat, turning once, for about 5 minutes, or until just barely pink inside. Don't overcook the livers or they will be dry. Transfer them to a large bowl.
In the same pan, saute the onions in 3 tablespoons of the chicken fat over medium-high heat for about 10 minutes, or until browned. Add the Madeira and deglaze the pan, scraping the sides, for about 15 seconds. Pour into the bowl with the livers.
Add the eggs, parsley, thyme, salt, black pepper, cayenne, and the remaining chicken fat to the bowl. Toss quickly to combine. Transfer half the mixture to the bowl of a food processor fitted with a steel blade. Pulse 6 to 8 times, until coarsely chopped. Repeat with the remaining mixture. Season, to taste, and chill. Serve on crackers or matzo.
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mich-again Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:58:40pm |
re: #50 Captain Jack
The purpose of focusing on pictures depicting support for them is designed to discredit the whole thing in a wave of disgust or confusion.
I disagree. The purpose of the pictures is to educate people about the crowd there. Whether or not that discredits the whole thing depends on the person making that call.
But you can't just say that it was only some people who promoted the Hitler posters. Everyone who walked by and didn't object showed their approval. The fact that so many different people felt comfortable with the Hitler crapola speaks volumes about the entire crowd there. Too intimidated by a few fringe radicals to speak up and object and reduced to whining about why the pictures are being shown.
Why don't you find a picture of someone from a tea party arguing with a Hitler poster over their crude sign?
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:58:59pm |
The nazis, birthers and truthers were more exited to have a population to spout their theories to and possibly gain converts.
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MandyManners Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:59:32pm |
re: #76 Captain Jack
I get your point but I guess I have already had my fill of it before coming to your blog. Nobody was pointing out to the masses what you focused on during the Bush terms as far as the political opposition. Now that same strain of material is being used to discredit the entire movement by the media. Either way its a major political advantage to the democrats.
I agree with this. Before I came to LGF, I knew that the Left disliked Pres. Bush but I had no idea how much nor did I know about the rallies and the despicable posters and the like because the MFM did not cover them or show the posters.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 2:59:33pm |
re: #65 rwmofo
Bingo. When you have a large crowd full of people with good intentions, the crazies and the Nazi-signs are bound to creep in.
They didn't just creep in. They organized the event.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:00:00pm |
re: #83 Captain Jack
The nazis, birthers and truthers were more exited to have a population to spout their theories to and possibly gain converts.
We know- that's why they organized this event.
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captdiggs Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:00:12pm |
Interesting, how the some of the signs are identical ( with only a switch of presidents) to the left wing contingent during the last administration..
Image: BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg
I get the feeling that some of this is throwing it back in the faces of those who screamed "Bush = Hitler" for eight years.
Impolitic, yes, but imo, inevitable.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:00:31pm |
re: #75 Chekote
It's the new, fashionable double standard of those who cry about double standards.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:01:08pm |
re: #81 ted
Liver has to be broiled in order to be kosher. Sautéing raw liver will make it unkosher.
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rwmofo Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:01:11pm |
re: #73 reine.de.tout
Yeah. Seems like Dick Armey was one of the organizers. He always seemed level-headed and logical - as far as I know.
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:01:29pm |
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:02:41pm |
re: #90 Alouette
Liver has to be broiled in order to be kosher. Sautéing raw liver will make it unkosher.
Very interesting. Why so?
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:03:29pm |
I now know who operates the Tea Party Express: [Link: edition.cnn.com...]
I must say, they aren't as bad as International ANSWER and Code Pink, aside from the Hitler-idiocy and the occasional gun-nut. Plus, they aren't getting the unconditional love from the MSM, as the Bush-haters did. I hate communists just as much as I hate other forms of fascism.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:04:28pm |
A novella-length flounce in the 'Scenes from a Tea Party Thread."
Deleted in 30 seconds.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:04:58pm |
re: #76 Captain Jack
I get your point but I guess I have already had my fill of it before coming to your blog. Nobody was pointing out to the masses what you focused on during the Bush terms as far as the political opposition. Now that same strain of material is being used to discredit the entire movement by the media. Either way its a major political advantage to the democrats.
Tough shit, in a nutshell. Everyone knows the media is biased and that the playing field is far from level and tipped dramatically to the Left. The fact of knowing such a thing ought to encourage people not to act like idiots and toss the media giant slabs of red meat - like Bircher-run Tea Parties. Anyone with even half a brain would know better, and yet here we have vast numbers of idiots providing future advertisements that George Soros would never by able to buy, and that's he'll be having wet dreams over for years to come.
Media bias is a known. A given. Feeding it is all the more inexcusable.
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Pianobuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:05:01pm |
re: #96 Charles
A novella-length flounce in the 'Scenes from a Tea Party Thread."
Deleted in 30 seconds.
So many bytes. So little time.
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:05:18pm |
re: #87 captdiggs
Interesting, how the some of the signs are identical ( with only a switch of presidents) to the left wing contingent during the last administration..
[Link: www.history.ucsb.edu...]
I get the feeling that some of this is throwing it back in the faces of those who screamed "Bush = Hitler" for eight years.
Impolitic, yes, but imo, inevitable.
All that, and tedious too.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:05:37pm |
re: #86 Sharmuta
Sharmuta- I think you need to see these leftie pics before you say the TEA party is the same as all those anti-bush demonstrations. The people in these pics organized those events yet somehow never discredited the main message in the media. [Link: www.zombietime.com...]
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sngnsgt Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:05:46pm |
OT
Andrew M. Sullivan marijuana charges dismissed
Andrew M. Sullivan, the British author, editor, and political commentator, is one of the best-known figures in the new-media elite, and his blog, The Daily Dish, is among the most popular on the Web. But a federal judge says Sullivan did not deserve preferential treatment from prosecutors who dropped a marijuana possession charge after the journalist was recently caught smoking a joint on a federally owned beach on Cape Cod.
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garycooper Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:05:56pm |
re: #95 buzzsawmonkey
The signs are all made in China, with a switch of Presidential head accomplished through minor re-tooling every four years, and then imported as ballast on ships bringing more important things, like melamine-tainted pet food.
Nothing would surprise me less.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:06:06pm |
re: #96 Charles
Quite telling that they won't come to an active thread to post their crap. Cowards.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:06:15pm |
re: #10 Sharmuta
For 8 years, comparisons of Bush and hitler enraged the right. Seeing these images makes me wonder why, though. Was it wrong because Bush isn't hitler, or was it wrong just because Bush was a republican?
Seems the answer is posted above.
That's the point, isn't it?
Like the poster PSGINFINITY, the ends will justify the means.
People like this think it's a holy war against the left... I wish there was a cool foreign sounding word for that...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:06:24pm |
re: #87 captdiggs
Interesting, how the some of the signs are identical ( with only a switch of presidents) to the left wing contingent during the last administration..
[Link: www.history.ucsb.edu...]
I get the feeling that some of this is throwing it back in the faces of those who screamed "Bush = Hitler" for eight years.
Impolitic, yes, but imo, inevitable.
Close but not quite. In many cases these are the exact same people. The Paulians/Alex Jones nuts were attending anti-war left wing protests in the past and now the organizers of the Tea Parties. These is the exact same crowd at both protests.
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bosforus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:06:29pm |
The only difference between the left and right wing whack jobs seems to be the spelling.
DEATH TO ALL JUICE!!
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:07:14pm |
re: #97 SixDegrees
No movement with the passion to succeed will ever rid itself of the wackos on both the left and the right.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:07:15pm |
re: #100 Captain Jack
I've seen them- thanks. I now consider them cherry-picked and tainted because that's all I've heard from people like you.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:07:23pm |
re: #93 ted
Very interesting. Why so?
There is so much blood in liver, it can't be kashered by the usual process of salting, it has to be broiled over a flame.
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blangwort Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:07:41pm |
I think the Tea Party movement is starting very much like the anti-Vietnam war movement. It began with a few people with a whole bunch of views that nobody took very seriously. But as time went on, it grew in to a serious, mainstream movement.
The people you're seeing right now are the nutcases of the right. But scratch the surface and you'll discover that there are many who agree that economically things are getting very bad. At the very least we are probably facing 1970's style stagflation.
I don't trust anyone to do right by me. I watch as well as I can. The problem with all these government plans the President advocates is that if you thought things were complex with insurance companies, you ain't seen nothing yet. Think of income taxes and the IRS and how messy it is today. Now think of healthcare.
Charles, if you insist that Tea Party leaders are kooks I won't disagree with you. Yet many movements get started that way. The question is whether there might be a substance behind a key issue here; and I think there is.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:08:00pm |
re: #83 Captain Jack
The nazis, birthers and truthers were more exited to have a population to spout their theories to and possibly gain converts.
Yes - that's exactly why they've been steadily taking control of the Tea Parties. They've openly stated their intentions on many occasions - see earlier posts on this blog over the last several months - and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Birchers, after a half-century below ground, are suddenly in the ascendancy again.
And true Conservatives are wretching, watching all they've worked for destroyed almost overnight. Not from without, but from within.
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ted Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:08:17pm |
re: #109 Alouette
There is so much blood in liver, it can't be kashered by the usual process of salting, it has to be broiled over a flame.
Makes sense...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:08:28pm |
re: #101 sngnsgt
He's still guilty of being a jerk but we can't tie up the courts with every idiot that gets busted with a joint.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:09:27pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Close but not quite. In many cases these are the exact same people. The Paulians/Alex Jones nuts were attending anti-war left wing protests in the past and now the organizers of the Tea Parties. These is the exact same crowd at both protests.
Yeesh, typo much?
/you stink
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:09:33pm |
re: #86 Sharmuta
We know- that's why they organized this event.
The underlying motivation for the 912dc event was primarily directed towards the health care debate. Freedomworks act as a front group for other interests and PACs including many health care industry interest. They were rather prolific in battling Hillarycare in the 1990s.
It's a rather complicated web as indicated by this Muckety map:
[Link: dev.muckety.com...]
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:09:45pm |
re: #108 Sharmuta
So who cares what you or I think. The whole point is how the images and communication effects the direction of politics. So what do a few radical leftie or rightie cherry picked images mean...nothing. It is too bad the greater population does not feel that way.
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lightspeed Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:10:48pm |
re: #72 TheQuis
The problem is the Democrats were forced to renounce their lefties. Howard Dean pushed them to the side and every democratic candidate was forced to denounce Moveon.org in the primary.
Unfortunately we're seeing very few elected officials on the right denouncing their crazy uncles.
You're right. I think that Republican politicians are too afraid to offend anyone and lose votes, even if it means tolerating the radical right. It is very cowardly and exactly the kind of politicians we need to run out of Washington. I think a lot of Republicans will be surprised in 2010. I think (hope) we will see a lot of primary challenges to the spineless Republicans who don't really stand for anything. We need to clean house, and that doesn't just mean the Democrats.
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captdiggs Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:10:49pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Close but not quite. In many cases these are the exact same people. The Paulians/Alex Jones nuts were attending anti-war left wing protests in the past and now the organizers of the Tea Parties. These is the exact same crowd at both protests.
I agree about 90%...because the lefties also has some others, like the Code Pinkers, and the ever present "Israel is evil" contingent.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:10:58pm |
re: #107 Captain Jack
No movement with the passion to succeed will ever rid itself of the wackos on both the left and the right.
Certainly not when the movement is being run by the whackos, it won't.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:11:22pm |
re: #116 Captain Jack
The leftist pictures were cherry-picked too, but all thread you seem to think they're valid. Why are the images of righties behaving the same way being dismissed? You're not being intellectually honest here.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:11:26pm |
re: #110 blangwort
This is where the current tea parties got their start. Dig those tricornes.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:11:29pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
That's exactly true. My traitorous brother "Judas" (who ran off with my first wife 30 years ago) is a Dominionist nutjob who asserts that all government except that necessary to enforce Biblical law should be abolished. That especially includes public schools. (He makes his living selling homeschool materials. go figure.) He and the ex have been very active in tea parties in their area.
He doesn't exactly get the irony of his "Biblical law" stance, does he?
/"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's (or brother's) wife" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" come to mind...
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:11:31pm |
Given that a very common talking point among the Beckians is that Obama's various goals = fascism, I wonder why anybody who would deny the existence of the Nazi-symbol paraphernalia could do so with a straight face.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:11:41pm |
re: #87 captdiggs
Interesting, how the some of the signs are identical ( with only a switch of presidents) to the left wing contingent during the last administration..
[Link: www.history.ucsb.edu...]
I get the feeling that some of this is throwing it back in the faces of those who screamed "Bush = Hitler" for eight years.
Impolitic, yes, but imo, inevitable.
So you think these people have gone out thinking that "Hey, the left did shit like this, now we can too?"
As stupid as that is, I wish it were true.
No these people think they are saving the republic, and any means is in order to get the word out.
Really the cognitive dissonance is stunning, and posts like this one (no offense) so a long way to justifying it.
It's been said lots, but again:
If it was terrible boarding on treason to label Bush Hitler, than doing so to Obama is the same.
End of story, no equivocation, no justifications, no bull that's it's "our turn".
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:12:10pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
But now when the shoe is on the other foot, it's all "cherry-picking!" and not representative. People can keep pushing this line if they want to- it only blows back on folks who exposed the left wing kooks as they are now open to the same claims.
I don't know if it's the same people exactly. Most of the tea partiers were probably not even aware of what we would consider the radical left, since they consider people like Joe Lieberman and Barney Frank the radical left.
As for the cries of "cherry picking", I agree that it just doesn't wash. I never claimed that Zombie's often amazing images were typical of the anti-war movement (and neither did Charles and Zombie). We faulted the majority for putting up with it though, as we are doing now with this different brand of nutburger. MoveOn.org and some others actually did get the message and asked their moonbats to cool the Bush=Hitler stuff at one point, leading to one of my favorite Cox and Forkum cartoons.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:12:38pm |
re: #120 scottks
Funny- bashing was cool when it was kooks from the other side. Seems no one gives a shit about applying standards equally.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:12:58pm |
re: #112 ted
Makes sense...
But you can obviously still make chopped liver and saute after it's been broiled and packaged. The best is actually the sauteed chicken liver and onions...
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Pianobuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:13:20pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Close but not quite. In many cases these are the exact same people. The Paulians/Alex Jones nuts were attending anti-war left wing protests in the past and now the organizers of the Tea Parties. These is the exact same crowd at both protests.
What AJ's motto? Break the left-right paradigm (or something like that).
I just realized something.
Think back to gym class in elementary school. Two captains would pick sides. When nearly everybody was picked and there were a few lesser-athletic kids at the end, they would en masse get put on the team that appeared to be the most disadvantaged.
AJ and his crew are like an election loser's consolation prize in this respect.
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directorblue Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:13:43pm |
Charles, it's impossible to know what the motivation of some of those signs really is.
In prior protests, the SEIU was caught with Obama=Hitler signs:
[Link: theblogprof.blogspot.com...]
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affenkopf Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:13:45pm |
Exactly the same image as in photos 1 & 2 only with Bush instead of Obama was used by left-wing protesters (many examples here).
Moronic convergence indeed.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:13:51pm |
now if there were pictures of real americans tearing down those with nazi signs and throwing the signs in the garbage, i'd support the tea parties.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:13:59pm |
re: #11 Captain Jack
Even if 1,000 people had Obama/Hitler type signs at the DC protest (which there were not) I really don't see why it is significant. CNN and the New York Times spend enough time trying to use those images to discredit the entire protest.
I'm not sure how significant it is, but I will say this:
1. As someone who is generally in favor of health care reform, this is not making me think that the opposition has a lot of good ideas and should be listened to.
2. For years I read this site, and watched people draw conclusions from coverage of protest signs at various left-learning events, posted by such people as Zombie, Ringo, and their back-East fellow snappers. Did people look at those pictures and think/express that there must have been lots of anti-war protesters who didn't have signs like that, and say the pictures were irrelevent? No, they didn't, that I recall. How am I supposed to tell what's representative and what isn't, and why should these photos be treated differently from earlier ones?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:14:00pm |
re: #120 scottks
How is it that people keep mistaking Beck for a conservative?
Beck is not a conservative. Beck is a Bircher loving Libertarian.
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:14:29pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Close but not quite. In many cases these are the exact same people. The Paulians/Alex Jones nuts were attending anti-war left wing protests in the past and now the organizers of the Tea Parties. These is the exact same crowd at both protests.
You make an excellent point. The same Paulbots who marched with ANSWER, UFPJ, and Code Pink in the Antiwar marches all during Bush's terms are the same as those showing up at the Tea parties. The only difference is that they've mostly put away their "9/11 Was An Inside JOB" signs for the Tea Parties (though there were some of those at early Tea Parties)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:14:51pm |
re: #132 directorblue
Charles, it's impossible to know what the motivation of some of those signs really is.
In prior protests, the SEIU was caught with Obama=Hitler signs:
[Link: theblogprof.blogspot.com...]
Oh, I get it - they were planted.
Snort.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:14:54pm |
re: #12 Russkilitlover
I like "Czar's Czuck!" Made me LOL - really.
Good line, but why are people suddenly all worked up about czars?
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:15:05pm |
re: #120 scottks
...as much as he did Islamic Fasco-Terrorism. It's all name calling here be it birthers, Christians, creationists, tea parties, Glenn Beck...
What's so strange is that when a flouncer like this writes a paragraph they seem blind to the very words they are writing. Before accusing Charles of "name calling", this flouncer does... name calling!
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:15:15pm |
re: #126 Shiplord Kirel
The folks trying every excuse to dismiss these kooks in the tea party are opening up others to the same criticisms. That's my point. If they want to continue in this vein- I will continue to remind them who else they are discrediting with their argument.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:15:26pm |
There must be a link somewhere. The flounce rate is accelerating, and now we have down-dingers going to work.
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:15:45pm |
re: #132 directorblue
So now they are plants? Sounds Paranoid to me Doug.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:16:11pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
But now when the shoe is on the other foot, it's all "cherry-picking!" and not representative. People can keep pushing this line if they want to- it only blows back on folks who exposed the left wing kooks as they are now open to the same claims.
Um, I'm pretty sure the Breasts Not Bombs protest in Berkeley was more highly populated by idiotarians than the tea parties.
I have no interest in attending either kind of protest as I don't like even small percentages of nutjobs, but it's pretty silly to equate ANSWER protests, Code Pink protests and tea parties.
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captdiggs Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:16:15pm |
re: #125 doubter4444
Really the cognitive dissonance is stunning, and posts like this one (no offense) so a long way to justifying it.
I wasn't justifying anything.
I was stating something that seemed obvious.
Yeah, it is juvenile to reason "hey, they did it, now it's our turn"...but that's just human nature.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:16:20pm |
re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth
How is it that people keep mistaking Beck for a conservative?
Beck is not a conservative. Beck is a Bircher loving Libertarian.
He admitted he was a libertarian in yesterday's special.
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avanti Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:16:38pm |
re: #27 Slumbering Behemoth
I took that to mean he believes anyone using nazi invective to slime their political opponents is being pathetic and paltry.
Buzz, am I reading you right?
That's how I read it too.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:17:01pm |
re: #121 Sharmuta
Actually I do not believe images of righties acting similarity is dismissed. Righties acting this way is used by the mainstream media to discredit the general message. I never saw any radical signs from lefties on CNN or ABC during bushes terms. I have seen many when the demonstrations are against Obama. If fact when the attack is against democrats the media makes an effort to investigate those making the attack. I actually think this is acceptable except I have watched politics and media for decades and have seem a pattern. The media are Sherlock Holmes when it comes to investigating republican/conservatives and inspector Clouseau when it comes to democrats/ liberals. I was in DC and it was not all birthers, truthers and nazis Obama hating racists.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:18:50pm |
re: #127 buzzsawmonkey
Totally independent of content, every time I see a batch of protest signs I have to mourn the demise of signwriting and lettering skills in this country.
Take a look, some time, at pictures of protests from fifty or sixty or eighty years ago. The handlettered signs--and there are many of them--are beautifully scripted, and the printed signs have good typography, nicely laid out.
Ou sont les showcard-escriteurs d'antan?
At that time, people actually used to letter everything by hand. Really good composition and typography was practiced by skilled professionals who milked every stroke for impact, and did so based on a lifetime's experience informed by a trade that was centuries old.
Now, there's Word and PhotoShop, and people don't know how to do anything but the most rudimentary lettering by hand. Even those with access to large-format printers - and they're apparent in many of these shots - basically suck when it comes to design. Having tools that automate much of the former craftsman's skills doesn't replace the craftsman's craft.
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:19:13pm |
I'm surprised they didn't sneak in the dead of night and exhume Terry Schiavo's corpse for 9/12.
OR and the Bloody Randall Terry crowd r in Ur Tay partees
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:19:28pm |
re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth
How is it that people keep mistaking Beck for a conservative?
Beck is not a conservative. Beck is a Bircher loving Libertarian.
He's anti-abortion. That's all it takes for a lot of people to adopt somebody as a conservative champion...look at how they still will defend Pat Buchanan.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:19:34pm |
re: #21 Chekote
The ratio of people not holding Hitler signs to those holding them in these images looks to average around 5:1, however that ratio is skewed by the close-up nature of these photos.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:20:04pm |
re: #127 buzzsawmonkey
Men used to wear a jacket and tie to ballgames as well.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:20:58pm |
re: #132 directorblue
Charles, it's impossible to know what the motivation of some of those signs really is.
In prior protests, the SEIU was caught with Obama=Hitler signs:
[Link: theblogprof.blogspot.com...]
The motivation is to compare Obama to Hitler.
It's a fucking sign. It's meant to convey information. It succeeds. Abysmally.
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Captain Jack Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:21:12pm |
re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist
The opposition on healthcare cannot be listened to. The reason is that if you are a minority in the house and senate the majority party can simple prevent your alternative from ever seeing the light of day. The media then parrots democrats claims that the republicans are the party of "no" and most people just nod their heads and support the democrats more. If you are a democrat minority in both houses of congress the media will help you out by getting your alternative proposals out the general population.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:21:20pm |
re: #148 Captain Jack
Actually I do not believe images of righties acting similarity is dismissed.
Uh- but they are being denied and dismissed. Maybe you didn't bother to read what was posted along with the pictures. Or you're trying to muddy the waters here. I don't think you're an honest debater.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:21:25pm |
re: #152 Icculus
The ratio of people not holding Hitler signs to those holding them in these images looks to average around 5:1, however that ratio is skewed by the close-up nature of these photos.
Find me a photo of anyone denouncing someone with a Hitler sign. Just one. Surely if this was not acceptable, there must have been some incidents of people telling the Hitler-pimps to get lost, right?
Find one example of this.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:21:45pm |
re: #134 SpaceJesus
now if there were pictures of real americans tearing down those with nazi signs and throwing the signs in the garbage, i'd support the tea parties.
Real Americans know that such action would constitute 'assault'.
Real Americans have to go to work tomorrow.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:21:55pm |
re: #142 Charles
There must be a link somewhere. The flounce rate is accelerating, and now we have down-dingers going to work.
It's the Ronulans. Time for you to start resurrecting him as a choice on all your polls again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:22:06pm |
re: #45 Shiplord Kirel
This surfeit of cheap nazi imagery may actually be leading the gullible to think the Nazis weren't so bad. Impossible? Considering the abysmal ignorance of history in many segments of society, I can see it happening.
The other day, somebody was wondering if the Eurofascists' alleged support for Israel is actually the result of anti-Israeli propaganda having convinced them that Israel really is a fascist state.
No, I can easily see it. When you run around yelling that you're living in a police state when you're NOT living in a police state, how much sympathy are you gonna have for people who are really living in a police state? I mean, everyone deals with fascist goons. Why are the Burmese acting like it's some big special deal?
/just that last line
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:22:12pm |
re: #146 jayzee
He admitted it long before that. But people still insist he is a True ConservativeTM.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:22:57pm |
re: #47 garycooper
It's also Godwin's Law in action, but nobody seems to care about that law anymore. I thought it was a good law.
Well, Godwin's law isn't a rule, it's more of a natual phenomenon.
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:23:02pm |
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avanti Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:24:20pm |
re: #157 Charles
Find me a photo of anyone denouncing someone with a Hitler sign. Just one. Surely if this was not acceptable, there must have been some incidents of people telling the Hitler-pimps to get lost, right?
Find one example of this.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:24:36pm |
re: #118 captdiggs
I agree about 90%...because the lefties also has some others, like the Code Pinkers, and the ever present "Israel is evil" contingent.
"Chantilla the nun" immediately leaps to mind for some reason.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:25:36pm |
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:26:19pm |
re: #109 Alouette
There is so much blood in liver, it can't be kashered by the usual process of salting, it has to be broiled over a flame.
Fascinating what you learn on this board!
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avanti Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:26:32pm |
re: #164 avanti
Damn, trigger happy on the last post. I've seen pictures of pro Obama signs being ripped out from protesters, but I'd hope there were some going the other way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:26:36pm |
re: #100 Captain Jack
Sharmuta- I think you need to see these leftie pics before you say the TEA party is the same as all those anti-bush demonstrations. The people in these pics organized those events yet somehow never discredited the main message in the media. [Link: www.zombietime.com...]
Are you seriously under the impression that Sharmuta hasn't seen Zombie's work? Trust me. She's seen it. She's seen it!
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captdiggs Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:26:40pm |
re: #165 Enkidu90046
"Chantilla the nun" immediately leaps to mind for some reason.
LOL!
Hey there CM. Hope things are well for you. Everything is good here. :)
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:27:42pm |
From a foreign point of view: WTF is happening to America?
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:27:53pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
Are you seriously under the impression that Sharmuta hasn't seen Zombie's work? Trust me. She's seen it. She's seen it!
I've also given zombie material for a report. I'm stunned anyone would think they had to introduce this blog to zombie's work. Pretty ignorant.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:27:58pm |
re: #171 captdiggs
LOL!
Hey there CM. Hope things are well for you. Everything is good here. :)
Things are good... the Seahawks are up on the Rams 21-0 in the 3rd quarter and just forced the Rams to punt.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:27:59pm |
Robert Stacy McCain is ranting away at me like a madman. Four posts already.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:28:06pm |
re: #157 Charles
Find me a photo of anyone denouncing someone with a Hitler sign. Just one. Surely if this was not acceptable, there must have been some incidents of people telling the Hitler-pimps to get lost, right?
Find one example of this.
It reminds me of the outcry by "true conservatives" against John McCain when he tried to calm down the nuts at that town hall. They hate the guy because he's more interested in policing his own than outing the opposition.
I'm a big believer in policing one's own--it's why I get disgusted with democrats who mostly coddle and/or cultivate their nuts and extremists. The more the GOP does the same, the less likely I am to vote for their candidates or support the party in any other way.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:28:58pm |
re: #175 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain is ranting away at me like a madman. Four posts already.
You must have struck a nerve. Good job.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:29:06pm |
re: #104 doubter4444
That's the point, isn't it?
Like the poster PSGINFINITY, the ends will justify the means.
People like this think it's a holy war against the left... I wish there was a cool foreign sounding word for that...
I'm sure it's all one word in German, or can be made to me.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:29:11pm |
re: #157 Charles
Find me a photo of anyone denouncing someone with a Hitler sign. Just one. Surely if this was not acceptable, there must have been some incidents of people telling the Hitler-pimps to get lost, right?
Find one example of this.
Exactly right. The organizers of a demonstration do have the right to control content, just as an editor can control the content of a newspaper. Lefty organizers do this all the time through their numerous and specifically designated "marshalls." It is more difficult logistically with a mass demonstration than with a newspaper, to say the least, but I don't see anyone even trying at the tea parties.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:29:34pm |
There should be zero tolerance to the use of Nazi imagery in political discourse. I minimizes the savagery of the Nazis and essentially spits on the graves of the victims of their atrocities. I am disgusted by the displays here as I was when the left compared Bush to hitler (spit!). That being said, these are ordinary citizens and they have a right to be stupid and offensive unfortunately. I have a much bigger problem when elected officials have used Nazi imagery to portray their adversaries. Ted Kennedy used it to describe ICE during the immigration debate (Gestapo was the reference I believe), and Pelosi referred to the anti health-care protesters as Nazis ("they carry swastikas").
I happen to think that if you are that stupid, you should be removed from office. No matter what party you represent. BTW if you know any Republicans that have done the same, out them too.
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Big Steve Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:30:11pm |
Signs with "So and So = Hitler" are the equivalent of the "eat my bubbles" that kids in summer swimmers draw on themselves before meets. I challenged our summer swim team to think of something, anything to replace "eat my bubbles" but no one could think of anything.
So the next local Tea Party I am going with a sign that says "eat my bubbles"
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:30:52pm |
re: #59 buzzsawmonkey
Two excellent points.
I will expand on your second a little, if I may. I believe that Eurofascist support for Israel does in fact rest upon their portraying Israel as a fascist state. This accomplishes three things:
1) It permits the Eurofascists to launder their Nazi past connections: "Well, maybe the Nazis were bad for the Jews, but we have overcome that past, see? We support Jews!"
2) Typing Israel as an ethnocentric fascist state gives legitimacy to the Eurofascists when dealing with others: "What do you mean you don't support our efforts at creating an ethnocentric fascist state? You support Israel, don't you?"
3) Support for Israel preserves a spot for the Eurofascists, should they come to power, to expel the remaining Jews of Europe to.
Well said, and important to remember
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:31:04pm |
re: #176 funky chicken
BINGO!!
This nonsense, and the silence by most leaders in the Rep. party, is driving me away.
McCain speaking out against them reminds me of why I joined the Republican party in 2000, just so I could vote for him in the primaries.
He is, and always has been, a man of great integrity, even when it costs him politically.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:31:22pm |
re: #157 Charles
Find me a photo of anyone denouncing someone with a Hitler sign. Just one. Surely if this was not acceptable, there must have been some incidents of people telling the Hitler-pimps to get lost, right?
Find one example of this.
While I can't immediately find (or expect to find) a "Stop calling Obama Hitler" sign on the net, I do have some anecdotal evidence. I attended a tea party in Van Nuys in April, and the crowd was at least 95% very cool. Unfortunately, there was a group of people handing out signs, and when I was offered one of the nirther variety I made it very clear to the distributor that that was totally not cool. I'm sure plenty of people at the DC rally made clear their disapproval of this nonsense, but that sort of thing is difficult to photograph.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:31:38pm |
re: #117 lightspeed
You're right. I think that Republican politicians are too afraid to offend anyone and lose votes, even if it means tolerating the radical right. It is very cowardly and exactly the kind of politicians we need to run out of Washington. I think a lot of Republicans will be surprised in 2010. I think (hope) we will see a lot of primary challenges to the spineless Republicans who don't really stand for anything. We need to clean house, and that doesn't just mean the Democrats.
THomas Friedman once wrote something about Arab politicians and compromise--basically, "When I am strong, why should I compromise? And when I am weak, how can I compromise?" I think Republican leadership is feeling similarly about denouncing nut-jobs.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:31:42pm |
re: #174 Enkidu90046
Things are good... the Seahawks are up on the Rams 21-0 in the 3rd quarter and just forced the Rams to punt.
Make that 28-0!!
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directorblue Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:32:07pm |
re: #138 Charles
Oh, I get it - they were planted.
Snort.
Oh, I'm sure some of them were from the over-exuberant who bristle at the Obama iconography, youth involvement, SEIU shock troops, etc.
That said, the SEIU was caught with that giant Obama=Hitler sign. It's entire possible that some of 'em were plants as well.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:32:51pm |
re: #175 Charles
He's up to 5 now.
How many do you think he'll do?
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:33:53pm |
Where is the police state to put all this freedom fighters inthe gulags?
sarcasm mode off (is really necessary to explain that this post is sarcasm?)
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:34:59pm |
This American political tactic of one party vilifying the other by characterizing them as polical extremists is sick and twisted.
But to the extent that such caricatures express the feelings of the polarized electorate and actually appeal to voters, it is a sure thing that their use will continue.
Whether the caricatures portray leaders as Nazis, Communists or other totalitarian types, the message is the same: distortion, lying, hatred, vilification and dehumanization have all become fair game in the sick world of US politics.
The only saving feature of these disgusting tactics is that none of the caricatures seem to glorify or advocate totalitarianism - on the contrary. But maybe Americans should worry that at some point the antics of these demonstrators may actually empower leaders who have similar contempt for fairness and reasoned political debate.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:35:36pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:36:30pm |
re: #193 Enkidu90046
No- it's from someone who doesn't give a shit what the football scores are.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:36:35pm |
re: #145 captdiggs
I wasn't justifying anything.
I was stating something that seemed obvious.
Yeah, it is juvenile to reason "hey, they did it, now it's our turn"...but that's just human nature.
No, I know, and I did not mean it personally, but I do think that it's an after the fact justification by people who ought to know better to say that, and I certainly don't think anyone in that crowd thought twice about the fact that it was done my the left and howlingly criticized by the very same people doing it now.
That, and I'm just so damn tired of the Waaa excuses that always seem to turn up.
So no offense, I've read some of posts and I don't want you to think it's about you personally!
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avanti Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:37:26pm |
re: #187 directorblue
That said, the SEIU was caught with that giant Obama=Hitler sign. It's entire possible that some of 'em were plants as well.
Link ? I recall one from a Lyndon LaRouche guy that was thought to be a union guy.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:37:43pm |
re: #163 Thanos
Speaking of that conspirifreak Alex Jones, someone up at a neighbor's house a few doors up has a little red Sentra marked up and painted up by hand with things like "Infowars.com", "FEMA=Concentration Camps", and "The Cure for 1984 is 1776"...all over the car like a child's blackboard in as many different colors. Don't know if it belongs to the people who recently bought that house or a visitor, but it makes me fucking sick to my stomach that anyone find Alex Jones and the rest of the Birthers/Truthers even slightly credible...and they are apparently in my neighborhood.
/*sigh...*
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:05pm |
Note:
This is just a quick glimpse at SOME of the Nazi imagery. There's a lot more.
But there was also an absolutely incredible amount of other hateful imagery on display. Dead babies. Birthers. Constant comparisons to Communist mass murderers. New World Order. Calls for a coup. Threats of violence ("We came unarmed ... this time"). Euthanasia. Eugenics. It goes on and on and on.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:06pm |
re: #179 Shiplord Kirel
Exactly right. The organizers of a demonstration do have the right to control content, just as an editor can control the content of a newspaper. Lefty organizers do this all the time through their numerous and specifically designated "marshalls." It is more difficult logistically with a mass demonstration than with a newspaper, to say the least, but I don't see anyone even trying at the tea parties.
How do you control the content of 2 Million people?
/sarc
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:15pm |
re: #193 Enkidu90046
The reason behind the American preference for american football instead of soccer is beyoind reason.
Don't you guys ever heard about soccer?
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:33pm |
re: #194 Sharmuta
No- it's from someone who doesn't give a shit what the football scores are.
How un-American of you!
/sarc
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:55pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:38:59pm |
re: #172 marsl
From a foreign point of view: WTF is happening to America?
We're working through some stuff.
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:39:17pm |
If you were to eliminate every single NAZI reference in the entire movement, it would do no good, they would simply imply it was there.
The MSM, the elite politicians, the actors, the unions. They will never approve. Never. No large movement will ever be clean. Any agent of change will always be inappropriate to the status quo, they will always be 不適切. Improper, inappropriate, unsuitable.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:39:31pm |
re: #187 directorblue
Oh, I'm sure some of them were from the over-exuberant who bristle at the Obama iconography, youth involvement, SEIU shock troops, etc.
That said, the SEIU was caught with that giant Obama=Hitler sign. It's entire possible that some of 'em were plants as well.
Let's run with this (bogus IMO) premise, and ask ourselves "If they were in fact plants, why were there no objections to their signs? Why do the look just as welcomed there as everyone else"?
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:39:31pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:39:39pm |
re: #201 Enkidu90046
I love football. But if I wanted to read a running tab on scores- I'd read a sports blog. Just sayin'.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:40:05pm |
An especially ugly one:
"Stop him now before it's to [sic] late! It's not about Obamacare it's about power! When we smell the burning flesh from the ovens it will be to late for us all!"
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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DEZes Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:40:13pm |
re: #200 marsl
The reason behind the American preference for american football instead of soccer is beyoind reason.
Don't you guys ever heard about soccer?
Some Americans still heard cattle.
///
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:40:26pm |
re: #11 Captain Jack
Even if 1,000 people had Obama/Hitler type signs at the DC protest (which there were not) I really don't see why it is significant. CNN and the New York Times spend enough time trying to use those images to discredit the entire protest.
This is what my beef on the last thread was about.
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directorblue Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:40:37pm |
re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth
What, you think there were sign police there? And, if someone complained, how would you know?
Check out this slide-show...
[Link: www.lookingattheleft.com...]
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:40:54pm |
re: #200 marsl
The reason behind the American preference for american football instead of soccer is beyoind reason.
Don't you guys ever heard about soccer?
I only watch soccer during the world cup. I tried to get into it, but just couldn't. That said, a number of my friends are big soccer fans. Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenol seem to be the main teams that various friends of mine root for.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:41:38pm |
re: #158 experiencedtraveller
Real Americans know that such action would constitute 'assault'.
Real Americans have to go to work tomorrow.
a real american would no how to make a provocation defense in the very rare instance that he or she was even arrested for tearing some paper sign.
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Fenris Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:42:03pm |
How chivalrous and proper: the guy in the first image was nice enough to remove the profanity, so it's alright to look at now.
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lawhawk Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:42:15pm |
It's wonderful that we're living in a funhouse mirror where our political opponents are treated with so little regard that they're Hitler or Stalin or any of the other totalitarian dictators from the 20th century.
I think we've gotten to the point where every politician will be called Hitler for 15 minutes (irrespective of political affiliations and the fact that calling someone Hitler demeans the true evil that he inflicted on the world).
There are real serious issues with Obama, and his trade protectionism to benefit the unions is going to lead to bad things.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:42:16pm |
re: #214 Enkidu90046
They never heard from the greatest soccer team in the world? SL Benfica?
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:12pm |
re: #205 DeliLama
... 不適切. ...
ふてきせつ ?
However, what is improper in Japanese society can be quite different than in American Society.
Hell, the whole 912 Tea Party is 不適切 !
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:36pm |
re: #193 Enkidu90046
WSH 10 vs NYG 20. 4th quarter. I want the Giants to lose for one reason only. They are a threat to my Bears. lol
(Some do care about such things.)
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:41pm |
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:54pm |
re: #200 marsl
The reason behind the American preference for american football instead of soccer is beyoind reason.
Don't you guys ever heard about soccer?
We like to use our hands when we play things
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:54pm |
re: #200 marsl
The reason behind the American preference for american football instead of soccer is beyoind reason.
Don't you guys ever heard about soccer?
One of the more culturally distinct things about Americans is that we invented several ball games of our own, which we play instead of soccer, and keep trying to persuade the rest of the world to take up. With limited success, although the Japanese and the Dominicans are responding well to baseball.
Don't try to understand it. It's like Marmite--if you were raised on it, you get it. Otherwise it just seems weird.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:43:58pm |
re: #208 Sharmuta
I love football. But if I wanted to read a running tab on scores- I'd read a sports blog. Just sayin'.
Things often go off-topic here to completely unrelated non-political posts. An old friend of mine here asked me if all was well with me, and I answered in the affirmative because my team was winning big. Sorry if this offended or annoyed you.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:44:17pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:44:31pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
Who said they didn't have that right?
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:44:39pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
And we are quite rightly making fun of them for the idiots that they have become.
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Fenris Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:44:44pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
That's why I like the Nizkor Project. It's easier to make fun of 'em if you let them speak.
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:45:03pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
Yep, and we have the right to criticize the crazy.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:45:31pm |
re: #220 marsl
They never heard from the greatest soccer team in the world? SL Benfica?
Apparently not (and neither have I).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:11pm |
re: #212 directorblue
The kooks with the kook signage look very comfortable and accepted within that crowd. If they are plants, as you seem to be alleging, no one else there seems to see anything wrong with those signs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:13pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
Of course they do. We also have the right to criticize the hell out of them.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:31pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
But... but.. the liberals... they did it first!
/
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:35pm |
Charles: Apple's pushing an Iphone update right now that you might want to get.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:40pm |
re: #104 doubter4444
That's the point, isn't it?
Like the poster PSGINFINITY, the ends will justify the means.
People like this think it's a holy war against the left... I wish there was a cool foreign sounding word for that...
Whether the ends justify *all means* depends on the seriousness of the situation. This situation is becoming very fluid - at some level, we'll have to just wait and see how it e/devolves.
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lawhawk Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:46:43pm |
re: #223 midwestgak
Get back to me when the Bears have a QB... and that includes Cutler...
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:47:57pm |
re: #223 midwestgak
WSH 10 vs NYG 20. 4th quarter. I want the Giants to lose for one reason only. They are a threat to my Bears. lol
(Some do care about such things.)
I am looking forward to the Bears-Packers game tonight. I really don't have a dog in this race (although my best friend used to play LT for the Bears), I am just hoping for a good game.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:47:58pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
We have the right to make fun of and dismiss those people.
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:48:03pm |
In my opinion, many have not recovered from the election. I recall at the time the hysteria that accompanied the reality that Obama was going to be President. Whilst you would expect people to face reality and deal with their disappointment, there are loads of people still trapped in that hysteria phase. Hence, IMO, why we are not seeing a greater outcry from conservatives/Republicans in response to these hateful images.
I don't agree with many of Obama's policies but I haven't seen the events/legislation that preceded the holocaust being pushed through congress. The people who equalise Obama with Hitler either a) have no real understanding of what occured during WWII or b)Will-fully make light of the Holocaust.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:48:07pm |
re: #238 PSGInfinity
Whether the ends justify *all means* depends on the seriousness of the situation. This situation is becoming very fluid - at some level, we'll have to just wait and see how it e/devolves.
It's devolved into the right behaving like the left- where the President is still compared to hitler. But you keep waiting to see how it goes.
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:48:14pm |
re: #222 freetoken
ふてきせつ ?
Yep! Futekisetsu.
However, what is improper in Japanese society can be quite different than in American Society.
Hell, the whole 912 Tea Party is 不適切 !
That's exactly the point. It can't help but be inappropriate
Think of what evil monsters George Washington and the rest would have been in the eyes of history if they had lost.
I agree that it's important to keep the moral high ground as much as possible. But humans will always be scoundrels, which is why limited government and the rule of law is so important.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:49:12pm |
re: #242 Enkidu90046
I am looking forward to the Bears-Packers game tonight. I really don't have a dog in this race (although my best friend used to play LT for the Bears), I am just hoping for a good game.
I'll be at a Bar in Los Angeles Drinking a beer and Cheering on my Bears.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:49:27pm |
re: #244 little blessing
The people who equalise Obama with Hitler either a) have no real understanding of what occured during WWII or b)Will-fully make light of the Holocaust.
Considering the paulians are paleo-cons who want to toss Israel under the bus- I think you might be on to something.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:49:42pm |
re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course they do. We also have the right to criticize the hell out of them.
I have often said something along these lines. Your right to say something stupid doesn't infringe on my right to call you stupid for saying it.
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directorblue Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:49:58pm |
Mmmm... some of these signs look suspiciously like the ones here:
[Link: www.lookingattheleft.com...]
Manufactured by LaRouche-ites. Democrats who hate Obama.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:50:26pm |
re: #238 PSGInfinity
Whether the ends justify *all means* depends on the seriousness of the situation. This situation is becoming very fluid - at some level, we'll have to just wait and see how it e/devolves.
So the "situation is becoming fluid" is it?
Why is that?
Could it be that people want something bad to happen, and are working to make it happen?
Like you?
What are you going to do, sit back and have some popcorn after helping to light the match?
As some say here occasionally,
SPIT
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:51:09pm |
re: #250 directorblue
LaRouchians aren't democrats- they're opportunists. Willing to change spots when it suits their purpose.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:51:14pm |
re: #209 Charles
An especially ugly one:
"Stop him now before it's to [sic] late! It's not about Obamacare it's about power! When we smell the burning flesh from the ovens it will be to late for us all!"
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Some more bad ones here although not as bad as that one:
[Link: trueslant.com...]
One sign says:
"The zoo has an African lion and the White House has a lyin' African."
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:51:21pm |
re: #233 Enkidu90046
Is never late to know.
www.slbenfica.pt
You will need to know portuguese language... or just check Wikipedia
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Funny how Benfica symbol (an eagle) and motto (et pluribus unum) are the same of the United States...
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SpaceJesus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:52:19pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
yes, and sane people have the right (maybe even obligation) to confront people doing that kind of thing.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:52:31pm |
re: #247 TheQuis
I'll be at a Bar in Los Angeles Drinking a beer and Cheering on my Bears.
I live in Los Angeles too.
Barney's Beanery used to be my main haunt for watching football. I have been watching more and more at Big Wangs recently, however.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:52:41pm |
re: #239 lawhawk
Get back to me when the Bears have a QB... and that includes Cutler...
Oh Snap. Come one, we'll see tonight.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:52:54pm |
re: #239 lawhawk
You disappoint me {lawhawk}. Cutler is an arrogant . . . but he's better than Grossman or Orton were. Griesie was better than either one of them.
Keep in mind (if you don't like Cutler) we have a pretty good backup QB in Hanie.
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:53:11pm |
So, what happened to Zombie? Anybody have an answer on this?
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:53:42pm |
re: #224 DeliLama
People have the right to compare Obama to Hitler. They have the right to silly beliefs and inappropriate ways.
Then people also have the right to compare Obama to Jesus, Santa Claus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:53:54pm |
re: #255 buzzsawmonkey
Responsi what? That word went out of fashion in the early 90's. As a teacher I know for a fact that many students today can't define it nor spell it!
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:54:02pm |
re: #257 Enkidu90046
I live in Los Angeles too.
Barney's Beanery used to be my main haunt for watching football. I have been watching more and more at Big Wangs recently, however.
LOVE Big Wangs. I used to do improv right around the corner from there. I'll be at Boardwalk 11 today cause its across the street from the apartment and I have some editing to do tonight. (Only one beer, Booo)
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:54:10pm |
My point is that it's important not to dismiss the tea party movement because it draws the kooks. It's not possible to avoid them.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:54:20pm |
re: #254 marsl
Is never late to know.
www.slbenfica.pt
You will need to know portuguese language... or just check Wikipedia
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Funny how Benfica symbol (an eagle) and motto (et pluribus unum) are the same of the United States...
The only Portuguese I know comes from training at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:54:35pm |
re: #264 DeliLama
My point is that it's important not to dismiss the tea party movement because it draws the kooks. It's not possible to avoid them.
ORGANIZED BY KOOKS! There's a difference.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:54:58pm |
re: #237 Thanos
Charles: Apple's pushing an Iphone update right now that you might want to get.
Got that one already - it's been out for a few days. iTunes 9 is a really great update. Lots of cool new stuff.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:55:38pm |
re: #264 DeliLama
My point is that it's important not to dismiss the tea party movement because it draws the kooks. It's not possible to avoid them.
Especially when they are the ones running, speaking at, and organizing these events.
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:55:53pm |
re: #256 SpaceJesus
yes, and sane people have the right (maybe even obligation) to confront people doing that kind of thing.
Yes, I would say they have a certain moral obligation to do so.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:55:57pm |
re: #261 Alouette
Then people also have the right to compare Obama to Jesus, Santa Claus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Wow, the 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' don't get me started I almost once got to be an ordained priest of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ///
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:55:58pm |
The apologetics going on right here about the Nazi and other imagery is the same as the apologetics the left brought out against accusations for Bushitler (e.g. "tiny percentage" "it's just the fringe"). And that people on the opposite side righteously dismissed.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:56:12pm |
re: #263 TheQuis
LOVE Big Wangs. I used to do improv right around the corner from there. I'll be at Boardwalk 11 today cause its across the street from the apartment and I have some editing to do tonight. (Only one beer, Booo)
I was at the Hollywood Big Wangs last night watching the USC v. Ohio State game!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:56:30pm |
One thing that continues to annoy me is the abject cowardice of the elected GOP leaders who oppose this nonsense but will not dare speak against it for fear of "offending the base."
This is very serious business. They need to look beyond pandering and realize that there are historic issues in the balance.
I don't think we need the kooks to win, I believe the opposite in fact. Even if we can't win without them, it might be time for the leadership to toss them overboard anyway and take one for the home team.
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:56:52pm |
re: #264 DeliLama
True, but as the proverb says, "Silence is acceptance". If the normal voices are not heard than the tea party kooks will be the voice of all the conservatives/republicans.
Do they speak for You?
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DEZes Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:57:43pm |
re: #270 callahan23
Wow, the 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' don't get me started I almost once got to be an ordained priest of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ///
I hear the priests hit the sauce. ;)
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:58:40pm |
re: #271 Coracle
Up-ding!
I completely agree.
If we refuse (rightfully) to accept such excuses when the left does it, we must also refuse to accept such excuses when they come from the right.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:59:30pm |
re: #245 Sharmuta
It's devolved into the right behaving like the left- where the President is still compared to hitler. But you keep waiting to see how it goes.
Yes, I am waiting to see how it goes. This is not the endpoint, only a cork on the stream of time. The situation could go either way (Lebanon's a good case in point).
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:59:36pm |
re: #272 Enkidu90046
I was at the Hollywood Big Wangs last night watching the USC v. Ohio State game!
I went to Northwestern. I can't cheer for or be affiliated with anything USC. Keyshawn Johnson is the sworn enemy of every Wildcat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 3:59:42pm |
re: #253 Gus 802
Wouldn't it be great if people didn't feel so constrained by political correctness, and unable to say what's on their minds for fear of being called racists?
///
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:00:52pm |
Some of the crazy signs:
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Whew, got tired. Many more here:
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:01:49pm |
re: #272 Enkidu90046
I was at the Hollywood Big Wangs last night watching the USC v. Ohio State game!
I'm sure we'll run into each other there sometime this season. We'll both agree to wear Lizard hats. LOL
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jaunte Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:02:26pm |
re: #283 Gus 802
Oprah is the Puppetmaster. Glad they had a chance to get that off their chest.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:03:48pm |
re: #279 PSGInfinity
Yes, I am waiting to see how it goes. This is not the endpoint, only a cork on the stream of time. The situation could go either way (Lebanon's a good case in point).
The situation is going to get worse- you even said so down stairs, didn't you? Talking about a civil war and shit? No one is leading the conservative movement at this time. The kooks are trying to take over, and very few on the right are bothered by this. The few who are speaking out are being targeted for blackballing- they're being shunned. If you want to stop the kookiness, you need to take a stand against it, not offer up apologia.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:04:26pm |
re: #286 Coracle
Saw that one. It was only a matter of time before they brought Teri Schiavo into the "debate."
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:04:37pm |
re: #286 Coracle
If you sin, you will get another 9/11? That is their message? For me, that's weird.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:04:38pm |
re: #280 TheQuis
I went to Northwestern. I can't cheer for or be affiliated with anything USC. Keyshawn Johnson is the sworn enemy of every Wildcat.
I am a Washington Husky and used to hate USC... but after that 60 Minutes piece on Coach Carrol, it is hard to not like him and the program a little. That said, my GF is from Ohio (although she went to USC for Grad School) so, I was just rooting for a good game... which is what we got.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:04:52pm |
re: #286 Coracle
This is the group responsible for that truck. Warning: extreme religious fanaticism.
[Link: engagingtheculture.com...]
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DeliLama Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:00pm |
re: #274 little blessing
Do they speak for You?
Not at all.
One thing that puzzles me is how few people in either political party actually do speak accurately for me.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:01pm |
re: #290 marsl
If you sin, you will get another 9/11? That is their message? For me, that's weird.
That's the 700 Club.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:02pm |
re: #285 jaunte
Oprah is the Puppetmaster. Glad they had a chance to get that off their chest.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
My goodness. You couldn't make this krazy up!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:12pm |
re: #283 Gus 802
Wow, that's a cavalcade of crazy. But hey, there's not really that many and/or they are lefty plants.
/
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:33pm |
re: #284 TheQuis
I'm sure we'll run into each other there sometime this season. We'll both agree to wear Lizard hats. LOL
Definitely!
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:34pm |
re: #288 Sharmuta
Apologising is the easy way out. Talk but no action.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:05:57pm |
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:06:06pm |
re: #290 marsl
If you sin, you will get another 9/11? That is their message? For me, that's weird.
In the parts of it I was walking around in, the religious right themes and antigovernment predominated. "God's Law or Chaos", "Fire congress", "Abolish Government"
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:06:11pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Wow, that's a cavalcade of crazy. But hey, there's not really that many and/or they are lefty plants.
/
Right! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it after seeing some of those.
Lots of nirthers. Tons!
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:06:17pm |
re: #294 Sharmuta
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:06:25pm |
re: #251 doubter4444
So the "situation is becoming fluid" is it? Why is that? Could it be that people want something bad to happen, and are working to make it happen?
Like you? What are you going to do, sit back and have some popcorn after helping to light the match? As some say here occasionally, SPIT
You finally made me LoL.
Comparing your interpretation of my words, to the Left's bald-faced assertions exemplifies my 'Perspective' trope. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. It's as if you never did any research on the hard-core left.
One question, just to get you started:
Why do they call quoting them accurately, and in context, a "smear"?
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:06:46pm |
re: #291 Enkidu90046
I am a Washington Husky and used to hate USC... but after that 60 Minutes piece on Coach Carrol, it is hard to not like him and the program a little. That said, my GF is from Ohio (although she went to USC for Grad School) so, I was just rooting for a good game... which is what we got.
Wow, never saw the coach Carrol piece. I'll have to look it up. Who was your GF rooting for? That had to have been a touch one to watch.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:07:15pm |
re: #288 Sharmuta
The situation is going to get worse- you even said so down stairs, didn't you? Talking about a civil war and shit? No one is leading the conservative movement at this time. The kooks are trying to take over, and very few on the right are bothered by this. The few who are speaking out are being targeted for blackballing- they're being shunned. If you want to stop the kookiness, you need to take a stand against it, not offer up apologia.
I think we will see the RNC try to do what the Dems did. Let the crazies rant and rave, then step up and run moderates and distance themselves. It is wrong, and I think a little different here in this regard-we got some mainstream Republican politicians aligned with this group. The whackos will get a seat at the table I fear.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:07:24pm |
re: #209 Charles
An especially ugly one:
"Stop him now before it's to [sic] late! It's not about Obamacare it's about power! When we smell the burning flesh from the ovens it will be to late for us all!"
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
You know, it's kinda funny ... whoever made that sign probably is a huge fan of Michelle Malkin's book "Unhinged" and is probably completely unable to see the irony.
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MandyManners Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:08:53pm |
re: #302 marsl
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
The 700 Club stones women and chops off heads?
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:09:42pm |
re: #304 TheQuis
Wow, never saw the coach Carrol piece. I'll have to look it up. Who was your GF rooting for? That had to have been a touch one to watch.
She ended up siding with USC, mostly because of that 60 Minutes piece on Coach Carrol... even I, who used to despise USC, found it impossible not to root for USC after seeing that. I was actually pissed at 60 Minutes for taking that away from me. I am sure you can find it on youtube or at the 60 minutes website (which is where I saw it).
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:09:45pm |
re: #302 marsl
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
You haven't been reading the intelligent design threads, have you?
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:09:47pm |
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jaunte Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:10:13pm |
re: #308 Sharmuta
I'm just speechless:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Not sure what the message is supposed to be there.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:10:24pm |
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:10:26pm |
re: #273 Shiplord Kirel
One thing that continues to annoy me is the abject cowardice of the elected GOP leaders who oppose this nonsense but will not dare speak against it for fear of "offending the base."
This is very serious business. They need to look beyond pandering and realize that there are historic issues in the balance.
I don't think we need the kooks to win, I believe the opposite in fact. Even if we can't win without them, it might be time for the leadership to toss them overboard anyway and take one for the home team.
John McCain does it, but look where it got him...losing an election to a completely inexperienced guy with very strange ideas about what kind of person makes a good friend and advisor (Ayers? Dohrn? Wright? Pfleger? Meeks? etc)
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:11:07pm |
re: #305 jayzee
I think we will see the RNC try to do what the Dems did. Let the crazies rant and rave, then step up and run moderates and distance themselves. It is wrong, and I think a little different here in this regard-we got some mainstream Republican politicians aligned with this group. The whackos will get a seat at the table I fear.
I'm worried the kooks will be mainstreamed. I certainly hope I'm wrong.
And I've been waiting to tell you to say "hi" to Beyonce. ;)
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:11:22pm |
re: #308 Sharmuta
French interpretation of an ancient Greek goddess gets put on a cross... now that is some profound statement!
/but is it art?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:11:28pm |
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:11:55pm |
re: #314 funky chicken
John McCain does it, but look where it got him...losing an election to a completely inexperienced guy with very strange ideas about what kind of person makes a good friend and advisor (Ayers? Dohrn? Wright? Pfleger? Meeks? etc)
One of the reasons he lost was his late-game keeling over to the extreme elements within the party.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:11:56pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:12:00pm |
re: #311 Gus 802
Yikes. That's blasphemy no?
I don't consider it so. Many, many people have been crucified on wooden constructs long before Jesus.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:12:00pm |
re: #282 Sharmuta
Rules for Radicals Right Wing Version is in full bloom.
Alinsky's argument is predicated on the Have-Nots taking from the Haves.
Here the Haves are trying to keep what they have from the Have-Nots.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:12:19pm |
re: #310 Sharmuta
Well, no. Religion is out from schools in here. Darwin rules in portuguese schools... and no one dares to stop it.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:12:53pm |
OK. Just got back from my trip to Maine, but will now immediately go and get gin and tonics before I check back in.
Just this: I went shooting to sight in my new hunting rifle at a beautiful public range in Pennsylvania today.
While there I felt obliged to remove a picture of Obama from the 100-yard backstop. There were jokes made.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:13:36pm |
re: #307 MandyManners
Maybe not yet... but don't give them new ideias...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:13:41pm |
"Abort Obama, not the unborn."
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:13:48pm |
re: #287 buzzsawmonkey
She always was a smooth Oprah-ator.
I still like that tune. Coast to coast, LA to Chicago . . .
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:14:14pm |
re: #325 Cato the Elder
OK. Just got back from my trip to Maine, but will now immediately go and get gin and tonics before I check back in.
Just this: I went shooting to sight in my new hunting rifle at a beautiful public range in Pennsylvania today.
While there I felt obliged to remove a picture of Obama from the 100-yard backstop. There were jokes made.
Welcome back.
Are you saying there was a picture of the President set up as a target at a shooting range?
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:14:16pm |
re: #306 funky chicken
You know, it's kinda funny ... whoever made that sign probably is a huge fan of Michelle Malkin's book "Unhinged" and is probably completely unable to see the irony.
Suggest something like that over at Malkins site and they will skin you alive and roll you in rock salt.
Because you're 100% right.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:14:29pm |
re: #288 Sharmuta
The situation is going to get worse- you even said so down stairs, didn't you? Talking about a civil war and shit? No one is leading the conservative movement at this time. The kooks are trying to take over, and very few on the right are bothered by this. The few who are speaking out are being targeted for blackballing- they're being shunned. If you want to stop the kookiness, you need to take a stand against it, not offer up apologia.
Here's the interpretation thing in action: I see a few signs cherry-picked from a very, very large crowd. The free speech thing is about letting people work out what they thing and feel about politics in the open air. It may yet be that this goes (or has gone) too far. These threads are of a piece with that. Express your opinion(s) and we'll see how it shakes out...
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Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:14:30pm |
OT and by the way:
What is it with all the left-lane speed-limit-goers? I hate them almost as much as Glenn Beck and swine flu. Out of my way, dorks, or I WILL pas you on the right.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:14:46pm |
re: #307 MandyManners
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters - the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats - what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact - God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:15:02pm |
re: #330 Coracle
Welcome back.
Are you saying there was a picture of the President set up as a target at a shooting range?
Exactly that.
The shooter sucked, though. Only three hits.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:15:04pm |
re: #332 PSGInfinity
Here's the interpretation thing in action: I see a few signs cherry-picked from a very, very large crowd.
That's complete bullshit.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:15:48pm |
re: #305 jayzee
I think we will see the RNC try to do what the Dems did. Let the crazies rant and rave, then step up and run moderates and distance themselves. It is wrong, and I think a little different here in this regard-we got some mainstream Republican politicians aligned with this group. The whackos will get a seat at the table I fear.
Oh gosh, the dems have had whackos in elected office for a long time. Maxine Waters is a nutter and has been for years. I first learned of her many moons ago when I tuned into CSPAN and saw her delivering a rant about how the CIA was forcing all of her constituents to get addicted to crack cocaine.
She hasn't improved since, IMHO.
And she's just one example. How about Fortney (Pete) Stark? Barbara Lee? And yeah, Ted Kennedy wasn't any big prize either.
And the GOP used to have Bob Dornan and Bob Barr as members of the House of Reps, after all. Both of those guys are nutty as fruitcakes.
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:15:54pm |
re: #332 PSGInfinity
Here's the interpretation thing in action: I see a few signs cherry-picked from a very, very large crowd. The free speech thing is about letting people work out what they thing and feel about politics in the open air. It may yet be that this goes (or has gone) too far. These threads are of a piece with that. Express your opinion(s) and we'll see how it shakes out...
Didi you agree with the lefties when they said that about the Bushilter signs?
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Darth_K Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:15:56pm |
What's funny is that fascism and communism are polar opposites of one another.
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Erik The Red Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:16:05pm |
re: #333 Cato the Elder
OT and by the way:
What is it with all the left-lane speed-limit-goers? I hate them almost as much as Glenn Beck and swine flu. Out of my way, dorks, or I WILL pas you on the right.
One of my pet hates since returning to the US. Get out of my way if I am going faster.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:16:10pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:16:27pm |
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:16:56pm |
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:16:58pm |
re: #335 Cato the Elder
Exactly that.
The shooter sucked, though. Only three hits.
Pretty damn sick.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:05pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:07pm |
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:23pm |
re: #342 Killgore Trout
Beginning to look like a Chinese New Year festival?
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Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:24pm |
re: #340 Erik The Red
One of my pet hates since returning to the US. Get out of my way if I am going faster.
In Germany you can be arrested for dawdling in the left lane. "Dawdling" means staying there for two seconds beyond when you first see me flashing my lights at you.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:51pm |
re: #343 traderjoe9
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
-85
Do you have a point, or are you just trying to be a jerk?
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:17:57pm |
re: #339 Darth_K
What's funny is that fascism and communism are polar opposites of one another.
Not with Obama. He's like a Peanut Butter Cup that way.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:18:02pm |
re: #315 Sharmuta
I'm worried the kooks will be mainstreamed. I certainly hope I'm wrong.
And I've been waiting to tell you to say "hi" to Beyonce. ;)
Oh to have his money...And sadly, the kooks are being mainstreamed. Buchanan is like a hero, Beck, Paul-
The good news is that where I live, the pols should know better than to hook up with trash like the Paulians. The problem is, when the Republicans win around the country (and they will start winning I think) what kind of "Republicans" or "Conservatives" will be elected?
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:18:06pm |
re: #331 SixDegrees
sounds painful :-)
gotta go study for a test anyway, and, shucks. I'm not registered to comment over at MMs place.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:18:07pm |
re: #334 Sharmuta
Sorry for the question, but does not sound a little treason when somebody says that our country deserves to be attacked?
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:18:13pm |
re: #334 Sharmuta
So, do you believe that Falwell and Robertson speak for Christianity?
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:18:57pm |
re: #330 Coracle
Welcome back.
Are you saying there was a picture of the President set up as a target at a shooting range?
That is disgusting!
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:19:10pm |
re: #343 traderjoe9
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
-85
Interesting connection here. Are you associated with 'mama winger' who posts at the stalker site, by any chance?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:19:11pm |
re: #354 MacDuff
So, do you believe that Falwell and Robertson speak for Christianity?
No, but they and their fellow travelers give Christianity a bad name...
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:19:24pm |
re: #303 PSGInfinity
You finally made me LoL.
Comparing your interpretation of my words, to the Left's bald-faced assertions exemplifies my 'Perspective' trope. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. It's as if you never did any research on the hard-core left.One question, just to get you started:
Why do they call quoting them accurately, and in context, a "smear"?
Your "perspective" is dangerously warped.
It's as if you never did any research on the hard-core left.
What the hell are you talking about?
It's always "they" or "the left", nice big groups of people that you can hate at ease.
Life ain't that simple for most of us.
And you really are starting to take on the qualities of a fanatic, the kind who prays that his victims will be forgiven... while certain he is doing gods work.
Your kind frighten me.
But not enough that I would not kick your ass from here to Sunday, when it comes right down to it.
Shove you Civil War up your ass.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:19:24pm |
re: #320 midwestgak
Doing good. Always good to see you.
Are you a soccer fan and/or an NFL fan?
Nice seeing you too. ;-)
Soccer, well only on world cup level it is of some interest to me.
NFL, I do understand most of the rules but have very little chance of seeing any games apart of the super-bowl. A lot more action in NFL.
In soccer the players run around a lot yet ofttimes they achieve only a naught to nil draw. Boring (that is on regional and national levels) ;-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:19:42pm |
re: #334 Sharmuta
A video to accompany that.
Ya hear that, liberated women, you are part of the reason for the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
*SPIT*
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:20:00pm |
re: #339 Darth_K
What's funny is that fascism and communism are polar opposites of one another.
And yet they are so similar...
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:20:30pm |
re: #357 talon_262
No, but they and their fellow travelers give Christianity a bad name...
And they put their own twisted echo on the sentiments of the extreme Left by saying "we had it coming".
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:20:31pm |
re: #330 Coracle
Welcome back.
Are you saying there was a picture of the President set up as a target at a shooting range?
I find that disgusting, no matter who is President.
Our archery club had a firm rule: anyone putting up targets of people - any people - would have their membership immediately revoked. This extended to anyone - even Osama bin Laden's picture was rejected when several members asked. It cheapens discourse and human life both to allow such things.
We also have a very active youth membership, and having kids as young as 8 see a picture of person with arrows sticking out of his face just doesn't make good sense.
How hard is it to act like adults?
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Erik The Red Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:20:36pm |
re: #348 Cato the Elder
In Germany you can be arrested for dawdling in the left lane. "Dawdling" means staying there for two seconds beyond when you first see me flashing my lights at you.
I think here the drivers think you are saying hello if you flash your lights.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:20:46pm |
re: #325 Cato the Elder
While there I felt obliged to remove a picture of Obama from the 100-yard backstop. There were jokes made.
You've been gone too long. Sarc 101. / = sarc.
Hope you are well.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:21:32pm |
re: #314 funky chicken
John McCain does it, but look where it got him...losing an election to a completely inexperienced guy with very strange ideas about what kind of person makes a good friend and advisor (Ayers? Dohrn? Wright? Pfleger? Meeks? etc)
Replaying the election... Sad. I think that's what's been going on with many of these protests, replaying the election.
Talking about what happened with the left and the right. The protests didn't start at the very beginning of the Bush Presidency. Yes there were some on the left initially angered by the vote count in Florida. Code Pink was started at the end of 2002 and didn't gain traction until 2003. Moveon didn't hit Bush with their fire until the talk of going into Iraq (infact the bush hitler commercial was a spec commercial made by someone else on behalf of moveon never aired)
In fact the VAST MAJORITY of the country was united around President Bush following the wake of 9/11. The most hateful stuff against Obama started occurring even before he was elected into office. Remember he needed Secret Service protection because of the level of threats placed on his life earlier than any other previous candidate.
Yes it did happen on both sides, BUT, it wasn't this vehement this soon. I don't seem to remember anyone taking loaded weapons to any President Bush rallies (kind of a mute point since these were people that want to take everyone's guns away)
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:21:39pm |
re: #351 jayzee
Oh to have his money...And sadly, the kooks are being mainstreamed. Buchanan is like a hero, Beck, Paul-
The good news is that where I live, the pols should know better than to hook up with trash like the Paulians. The problem is, when the Republicans win around the country (and they will start winning I think) what kind of "Republicans" or "Conservatives" will be elected?
before I go--Buchanan's been a "hero" to some on the right for decades. he got lots of votes in a GOP presidential primary after all.
I guess I'm saying, don't get too down. I think hese nuts have always been around. Sadly, I think the Rovian tactic of kissing up to these weirdos is going to hurt the GOP for a long time. Yeah Mr. Rove, these folks are very motivated. Their insanity is pretty offputting to the majority of American though. And elections are about winning a majority.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:21:42pm |
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:21:47pm |
re: #337 funky chicken
Oh gosh, the dems have had whackos in elected office for a long time. Maxine Waters is a nutter and has been for years. I first learned of her many moons ago when I tuned into CSPAN and saw her delivering a rant about how the CIA was forcing all of her constituents to get addicted to crack cocaine.
She hasn't improved since, IMHO.
And she's just one example. How about Fortney (Pete) Stark? Barbara Lee? And yeah, Ted Kennedy wasn't any big prize either.
And the GOP used to have Bob Dornan and Bob Barr as members of the House of Reps, after all. Both of those guys are nutty as fruitcakes.
Agree entirely, but I am not talking local nut jobs like Paul, I am talking those that will get a real piece of power and influence. There's a difference I think, IMHO. To see a marginal pol like Paul get play makes me edgy.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:22:10pm |
re: #364 Erik The Red
I think here the drivers think you are saying hello if you flash your lights.
Well, it's gotten so bad on some major highways that I'm thinking of ordering one of those removable dashboard flashing blue lights. That might get their attention.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:22:19pm |
re: #340 Erik The Red
One of my pet hates since returning to the US. Get out of my way if I am going faster.
Mine too, my wife just rolls her eyes as I rant.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:22:46pm |
re: #362 Coracle
And they put their own twisted echo on the sentiments of the extreme Left by saying "we had it coming".
Exactly...see Fred Phelps and his ghastly crew.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:23:23pm |
re: #349 Charles
Do you have a point, or are you just trying to be a jerk?
Did I offend you in some way?
Extreme right wingers today vocalize their opinion that Obama is the Hitler incarnate, just as extreme liberals did the same before the election.
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Erik The Red Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:23:28pm |
re: #371 Cato the Elder
Well, it's gotten so bad on some major highways that I'm thinking of ordering one of those removable dashboard flashing blue lights. That might get their attention.
I want some fake machine guns that pop up. With sound and all. :)))
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:23:45pm |
re: #302 marsl
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
Fewer beheadings
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:24:38pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:24:41pm |
re: #302 marsl
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
The fanaticism may be the same, but the power is not. Extremism minds its manners when it knows it will go to jail if it exceeds its bounds.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:24:58pm |
re: #374 traderjoe9
Did I offend you in some way?
Extreme right wingers today vocalize their opinion that Obama is the Hitler incarnate, just as extreme liberals did the same before the election.
And?
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:25:10pm |
re: #356 Charles
Interesting connection here. Are you associated with 'mama winger' who posts at the stalker site, by any chance?
I honestly don't know what "mama winger" you're referring to.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:25:22pm |
re: #326 Erik The Red
Hey Cal23, how the heck are you?
I am fine, thanks for asking. Been there, done that, you know?
At the moment life is like a roller-coaster, sometimes it sucks and then it is a bliss (well, almost). ;-)
How are you doin' Erik?
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:25:27pm |
re: #366 Sharmuta
Now that's talking. I would buy you a beer if I was near you, but as I'm some thousands kilometers away, I give you an imaginary beer.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:25:30pm |
re: #374 traderjoe9
Extreme right wingers today vocalize their opinion that Obama is the Hitler incarnate, just as extreme liberals did the same before the election.
We're aware of this. What's your point? That it's acceptable or wrong...?
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freetoken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:25:57pm |
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:26:08pm |
re: #379 Slumbering Behemoth
And?
And I thought it was interesting how things have changed in the months since Obama has become president.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:27:02pm |
re: #386 traderjoe9
How so?
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:27:35pm |
re: #384 Sharmuta
We're aware of this. What's your point? That it's acceptable or wrong...?
I don't agree with any connection of Obama with Hitler. As much as I don't like Obama, I think it's an insult to Jews to make a comparison between the two.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:27:55pm |
re: #367 TheQuis
As I recall, President Bush didn't do anything of consequence before 9/11, so what was there to protest?
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:28:00pm |
re: #376 Icculus
Fewer beheadings
Fewer? Compare the (known) Taliban death toll with the Christian death toll and get back with me.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:28:22pm |
re: #367 TheQuis
Replaying the election... Sad. I think that's what's been going on with many of these protests, replaying the election.
Talking about what happened with the left and the right. The protests didn't start at the very beginning of the Bush Presidency. Yes there were some on the left initially angered by the vote count in Florida. Code Pink was started at the end of 2002 and didn't gain traction until 2003. Moveon didn't hit Bush with their fire until the talk of going into Iraq (infact the bush hitler commercial was a spec commercial made by someone else on behalf of moveon never aired)
In fact the VAST MAJORITY of the country was united around President Bush following the wake of 9/11. The most hateful stuff against Obama started occurring even before he was elected into office. Remember he needed Secret Service protection because of the level of threats placed on his life earlier than any other previous candidate.
Yes it did happen on both sides, BUT, it wasn't this vehement this soon. I don't seem to remember anyone taking loaded weapons to any President Bush rallies (kind of a mute point since these were people that want to take everyone's guns away)
Eh, I maintain that a lot of these folks are the same ones (like that scumbag moron RS McCain) who were screaming about Juan McPlantation last fall and doing their darndest to get their fellow "true conservatives" to vote for Bob Barr or the Constitution Party nuts. Now they have to deal with the fact that they most likely helped to elect Obama, and it has created some kind of weird guilt/anxiety complex.
/off to study now.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:28:33pm |
re: #359 callahan23
Soccer, well only on world cup level it is of some interest to me.
Same here, so I still do not understand the rules or penalties, how they add time at the end of the game, the yellow flag is a warning of what? and the red flag means you can't play in the next two games?
As you can see, I have no clue.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:28:57pm |
re: #376 Icculus
Christians don't behead women. Just put them at the stake and burn. Or hung. At least, that was the Inquisition way.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:29:39pm |
Checking in before checking out for supper -- busy day here.
Good set of posts, Charles.
What's the tally on flounces and SuicidesByStinky for today?
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Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:30:10pm |
re: #391 funky chicken
Eh, I maintain that a lot of these folks are the same ones (like that scumbag moron RS McCain) who were screaming about Juan McPlantation last fall and doing their darndest to get their fellow "true conservatives" to vote for Bob Barr or the Constitution Party nuts. Now they have to deal with the fact that they most likely helped to elect Obama, and it has created some kind of weird guilt/anxiety complex.
/off to study now.
Bingo. They are a lot of the Nativists with Fis-con clothing.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:30:28pm |
re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth
How so?
That now it's the extreme right-wingers making the Hitler comparisons.
Why is everyone on the edge of their seat? The blog entry I linked to is completely relevant to this blog entry.
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SummerSong Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:30:59pm |
re: #260 MacDuff
So, what happened to Zombie? Anybody have an answer on this?
I did see a thread, awhile back, where Zombie was given a lot of flack. I don't know if she/he has posted since. I hope Zombie is just busy and will resume posting here as time permits.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:31:02pm |
re: #338 Coracle
Didi you agree with the lefties when they said that about the Bushilter signs?
It would take a book to explain the difference between the Left calling George 'BushHitler' and the Right calling Progressivism's child the same thing. Perhaps someone could write a book to do that. Oh wait: somebody did...
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:31:11pm |
re: #396 traderjoe9
Because all you did was post links- we're trying to figure out your point. Maybe next time you should make yourself more clear.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:31:15pm |
re: #367 TheQuis
and gotta disagree with you on Bush. don't you remember all the "selected not elected" nonsense?
I didn't even vote for the guy, but it was really tiresome.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:31:46pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
I didn't get much sleep last night, so not much is clear to me today. My eyeballs seem to have grown fur.
You need to get yourself a rat for eyeball-grooming. They're incredibly thorough; it's like getting your car detailed.
Along those lines, I've recently invented a new parlor stunt with my lovely assistant Ramona the Rat -- it's called "The Hippopotamus Gets a Dental Exam from Dr. Birdie, D.D.S.," and she plays the bird! I don't have video footage, but the effect is much as demonstrated by Mae West in I'm No Angel:
(At about the 5 minute mark)
Incidentally, much as I adored Rugby and his stepbrother Soccer, it turns out that girl rats are MUCH more tidy about where they crap and piss. Just something to note.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:31:46pm |
re: #398 SummerSong
I did see a thread, awhile back, where Zombie was given a lot of flack. I don't know if she/he has posted since. I hope Zombie is just busy and will resume posting here as time permits.
Smiles sadly...
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J.S. Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:32:41pm |
(Personally, the image which I find most appalling is the joker images -- imo, it's blatantly racist...and extremely offensive...on a number of levels...If someone wants me to start supporting Obama, then just keep showing that image...)
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:32:46pm |
re: #392 midwestgak
Soccer, well only on world cup level it is of some interest to me.
Same here, so I still do not understand the rules or penalties, how they add time at the end of the game, the yellow flag is a warning of what? and the red flag means you can't play in the next two games?
As you can see, I have no clue.
I take the liberty to explain to you, as an soccer fanatic.
Added time is to compesate tume lost in injuries and substituitions.
yellow flag is a warning for foul play. Two yellow flags mean one red flag and you are expelled. red flags are for agression, and means expulsion. And yes, one red flag basn you for 2 matches or more.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:32:52pm |
re: #397 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, where do you think the phrase "nice rack" comes from?
I'm tempted to buck the trend and give you a lotta points on that one.
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Ojoe Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:32:56pm |
O America get to the center and show these morons back to the howling political wilderness from which they came, and to which they ought to be returned.
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Erik The Red Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:33:06pm |
re: #392 midwestgak
Soccer, well only on world cup level it is of some interest to me.
Same here, so I still do not understand the rules or penalties, how they add time at the end of the game, the yellow flag is a warning of what? and the red flag means you can't play in the next two games?
As you can see, I have no clue.
Ask Cal23 to explain the offside rule. If you get that you are on your way to understanding soccer/football.
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Van Helsing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:33:22pm |
re: #375 Erik The Red
I want some fake machine guns that pop up. With sound and all. :)))
Where's the fun in fake? I want this: Dillon Aero
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:34:04pm |
re: #404 MacDuff
Bullshit! It's clear from 334 that Falwell and Robertson think this and no one else. That's all a fucking quote proves, and I resent that you're trying to make it look as if I would think it speaks for all Christians.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:34:20pm |
Interesting, some genius pasted the face of Obama on a uniformed body:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
and labled it Marxist.
That uniform is of the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:34:33pm |
re: #405 Sharmuta
That book is revisionist crap.
No, it isn't. As Thomas Sowell put it, (and I'm paraphrasing) "the amazing thing is that it's news to people."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:35:36pm |
re: #414 Gus 802
Interesting, some genius pasted the face of Obama on a uniformed body:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
and labled it Marxist.
That uniform is of the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi.
Farce but accurate?
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:35:38pm |
re: #389 Icculus
As I recall, President Bush didn't do anything of consequence before 9/11, so what was there to protest?
What did Obama do even before he was elected to be protested?
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solomonpanting Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:35:44pm |
re: #393 marsl
Christians don't behead women. Just put them at the stake and burn. Or hung. At least, that was the Inquisition way.
Anything a bit more recent?
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David Simon Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:36:46pm |
A couple of minutes into the interview, and Obama has already accused Republicans of blocking "health care reform" twice. And Steve Croft has twice failed to point out that Democrats are a majority in the House, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:36:48pm |
re: #390 MacDuff
Fewer? Compare the (known) Taliban death toll with the Christian death toll and get back with me.
Well, in fairness the Christians have been around for a much longer period of time. The Taliban's getting there, though. Also, with the exception of John the Baptist (and perhaps some French monarchs?), were pretty low on the beheading tally.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:37:04pm |
re: #417 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Farce but accurate?
Inaccurate. :) I think comparing Obama to Marx is another form of Godwin's law.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:37:31pm |
re: #419 solomonpanting
In Europe, that was the more "recent" way... if you exclude vendettas, honor killings and things like that...
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Ojoe Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:38:03pm |
re: #421 David Simon
A skillful leader would have presented things in such a way as not to cause an uproar.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:38:13pm |
re: #388 traderjoe9
I don't agree with any connection of Obama with Hitler. As much as I don't like Obama, I think it's an insult to Jews to make a comparison between the two.
You, know, it's also an insult to Barack Obama. Regardless of what you think of his policies, he's, well, no Hitler.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:38:36pm |
re: #393 marsl
Christians don't behead women. Just put them at the stake and burn. Or hung. At least, that was the Inquisition way.
Well they floated in water, and as such weighed as much as a duck, so ipso facto, were witches.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:39:23pm |
re: #399 PSGInfinity
It would take a book to explain the difference between the Left calling George 'BushHitler' and the Right calling Progressivism's child the same thing. Perhaps someone could write a book to do that. Oh wait: somebody did...
I CALLED IT!
My turn to LOL!
I knew it was liberal Fascism before clicking.
You are a fucking tool, and a joke.
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solomonpanting Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:39:38pm |
re: #425 marsl
Well, if "recent" dates to the Inquisition, I'll take my chances with Christian societies.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:39:39pm |
re: #400 Sharmuta
Because all you did was post links- we're trying to figure out your point. Maybe next time you should make yourself more clear.
I'm not the first person to point out that right wingers are behaving in the same inappropriate manner that liberals did while Bush was president. I thought the picture in the old blog entry and my point was understandable considering the context of this thread. If I wasn't clear, then I apologize, but I still think we should all stop being so sensitive.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:39:52pm |
re: #408 marsl
I take the liberty to explain to you, as an soccer fanatic.
Added time is to compesate tume lost in injuries and substituitions. I now understand that.yellow flag is a warning for foul play. What is considered foul play?
Two yellow flags mean one red flag and you are expelled. For the game being played?
red flags are for agression, and means expulsion. And yes, one red flag basn you for 2 matches or more.
Thanks for explaining.
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TheQuis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:08pm |
re: #401 funky chicken
and gotta disagree with you on Bush. don't you remember all the "selected not elected" nonsense?
I didn't even vote for the guy, but it was really tiresome.
I did say there was a SMALL amount of those folks pissed about the election but heck they didn't even have enough to stage a counter protest to the "Brooks Brothers Brigade" in Florida.
They didn't truly get vile until after the wars started. Then the inmates did take over the assylum for a little while. Then the adults put them in a corner.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:08pm |
re: #251 doubter4444
So the "situation is becoming fluid" is it?
Why is that?
Could it be that people want something bad to happen, and are working to make it happen?
Like you?
What are you going to do, sit back and have some popcorn after helping to light the match?
As some say here occasionally,
SPIT
Invariably it seems that the people darkly warning of a coming civil war are people who actually long for one. They're stockpiling weapons and ammo and food. They're listening to Glenn Beck talk about a coming revolution. They're picking up 'take our country back' rhetoric from any number of places.
If you ever watch any interviews with the fringe element at gunshows and the like-- the kind of people there who are also selling anti-Obama merchandise -- it's hard to miss a kind of glowing fanatacism in their eyes as they talk about how there could be a coming revolution. They linger over the horrors they predict are coming, much like certain radical Christian fundamentalists (or cult leaders) linger lovingly over their descriptions of the end times.
It becomes hard to escape the notion that these are people who long for it. It's a kind of escape from the circumstances of their lives into a fantasised post-apocalyptic future. The white supremacists and separatists who mutter about a coming race war are the same. They often predict that black people will start a race war, but this is a cover for their own desire for one.
There is a brilliant John Cheever short story called "The Brigadier and the Golf-Widow", about a married man in the 50's who has built an expensive bomb shelter in his backyard. He regularly predicts nuclear war with Russia. I don't want to spoil it for those who are unfamiliar with it, but it's about the same dynamic.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:10pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:45pm |
re: #424 Gus 802
Inaccurate. :) I think comparing Obama to Marx is another form of Godwin's law.
I agree, but was referring only to the asininity of using the Shah as a template for that. Some idiot knows absolutely nothing of history.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:40:56pm |
re: #431 traderjoe9
I'm not the first person to point out that right wingers are behaving in the same inappropriate manner that liberals did while Bush was president. I thought the picture in the old blog entry and my point was understandable considering the context of this thread. If I wasn't clear, then I apologize, but I still think we should all stop being so sensitive.
We are already well aware of what the left did for 8 years at their protests. I still don't understand you're point, however.
Are you excusing this behavior on the right by pointing to the left?
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:42:19pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
You, know, it's also an insult to Barack Obama. Regardless of what you think of his policies, he's, well, no Hitler.
Obama insulted Jews like me and you with his speech in Cairo, so what may be deemed offensive to the president isn't a concern of mine.
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:42:32pm |
re: #434 iceweasel
Invariably it seems that the people darkly warning of a coming civil war are people who actually long for one. They're stockpiling weapons and ammo and food. They're listening to Glenn Beck talk about a coming revolution. They're picking up 'take our country back' rhetoric from any number of places.
You know what it reminds me of? Clinton's first two years.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:42:45pm |
re: #436 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I agree, but was referring only to the asininity of using the Shah as a template for that. Some idiot knows absolutely nothing of history.
Understood. It didn't look right and at first I thought it was Pinochet's uniform. My next thought was that of the Shah of Iran.
Didn't look like "Marxist fashion." ;)
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fizzlogic Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:42:48pm |
re: #434 iceweasel
Invariably it seems that the people darkly warning of a coming civil war are people who actually long for one.
Bingo
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:43:00pm |
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:43:23pm |
re: #429 doubter4444
I CALLED IT! My turn to LOL! I knew it was liberal Fascism before clicking. You are a fucking tool, and a joke.
So, you concede my earlier LoL? Good, we're getting somewhere. Check back with me in mid-2011, and we'll see how it's gone. If you had to pin me to a guess, I'd guess America would be in the midst of a self-correction. But we'll see.
Now, about your insults...
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:43:42pm |
re: #437 Sharmuta
We are already well aware of what the left did for 8 years at their protests. I still don't understand you're point, however.
Are you excusing this behavior on the right by pointing to the left?
I thought I've already made it clear in preceding posts...I just thought it was interesting how in the space of ten months the 'tables' have been turned.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:44:10pm |
re: #341 Gus 802
Cherry picking?
Sure are a lot cherries in that tree.
It's also a very new and small tree, so there's no compelling reason to put up with all the unhinged bullshit in order to "save the good parts of the tree." As I wrote a couple threads down, when it comes to the two major parties, sometimes pragmatism dictates that you should hold your nose if need be and pick either the Democrats or the Republicans. But with the Tea Party Movement, saying "fuck this whole mess" is a perfectly viable option.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:44:18pm |
re: #422 Icculus
Well, in fairness the Christians have been around for a much longer period of time. The Taliban's getting there, though. Also, with the exception of John the Baptist (and perhaps some French monarchs?), were pretty low on the beheading tally.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:44:18pm |
re: #432 midwestgak
Thanks for explaining.
yellow flag is a warning for foul play. What is considered foul play? see [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Two yellow flags mean one red flag and you are expelled. For the game being played? yes. If you are expelled, your team plays with less one player for the rest of the match. Which means that your team is in a very disadvantage situation. The same thing like in basketball, playing with 4 players against 5 players
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:44:35pm |
re: #413 Sharmuta
Bullshit! It's clear from 334 that Falwell and Robertson think this and no one else. That's all a fucking quote proves, and I resent that you're trying to make it look as if I would think it speaks for all Christians.
With all due respect it was in response to Mandy's response to:
#302 marsl
So, what is the diference between them and the Taliban? Just ones are christians and others are muslims, but the fanatism is the same?
Mandy's response was:
The 700 Club stones women and chops off heads?
You, in turn quoted Falwell and Robertson. What implication was I to draw?
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:44:39pm |
re: #446 traderjoe9
I thought I've already made it clear in preceding posts...I just thought it was interesting how in the space of ten months the 'tables' have been turned.
I'm still trying to figure out if you think it's wrong.
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:46:01pm |
re: #447 Throbert McGee
It's also a very new and small tree, so there's no compelling reason to put up with all the unhinged bullshit in order to "save the good parts of the tree." As I wrote a couple threads down, when it comes to the two major parties, sometimes pragmatism dictates that you should hold your nose if need be and pick either the Democrats or the Republicans. But with the Tea Party Movement, saying "fuck this whole mess" is a perfectly viable option.
Right. I don't anyone would want to see the Republican party go in this direction. Even a Democrat would have concerns. It's up the Republican party of course to police its own. They better start policing things before it goes out of control.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:46:50pm |
re: #452 Sharmuta
I'm still trying to figure out if you think it's wrong.
Sharmuta, if my post indicates anything, its a criticism of the extreme right wing. I think I made that clear.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:47:14pm |
The American right, it is explodin'
Pundits blarin’ and bigots loadin’
They're willing to murder, to halt the abortin'
They love democracy, but what’s that nazi sign they're totin’
And they think their tea parties are a substitute for votin’
But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
The GOP is on the eve
of destruction.
Think of all the hate there is in Iran
Then take a look around to the White House lawn
The pols may go home for a change of pace
But when they return, it’s the same old place
The crime in the slums, the hate and disgrace
They can spend your dreams, and don’t leave a trace
Hate the religious right, but don’t forget to say grace
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don’t believe
The Dems are on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don’t believe
We’re all on the eve
of destruction.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:47:26pm |
re: #450 MacDuff
I though Mandy would like to know why I said it was 700 Club concerning the truck with signs blaming 9/11 on a lack of "good" Christianity. It's because Falwell and Robertson (of the 700 Club) suggest that very thing. That is all.
Now- go shove words in someone else's mouth for awhile.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:47:27pm |
re: #392 midwestgak
Soccer, well only on world cup level it is of some interest to me.
Same here, so I still do not understand the rules or penalties, how they add time at the end of the game, the yellow flag is a warning of what? and the red flag means you can't play in the next two games?
As you can see, I have no clue.
:-) They add all the time of the game being interrupted due to fouls and resulting injuries, that in turn is being added at the end.
A yellow card is being shown to a player who has committed a minor offense. The second yellow card and the player is being evicted from the playing field. It is a warning to not commit any other offenses.
The red card is getting you booted from the game immediately for a gross offense. The banned player is not to be exchanged and his team is going to continue with one player less. Also that player is banned to play in the next two games.
The yellow flag is used by the side-line referee to show the main referee that an off-side has occurred or that the ball left the field.
Just a few rules. ;-)
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solomonpanting Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:47:34pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:47:55pm |
re: #455 traderjoe9
Sharmuta, if my post indicates anything, its a criticism of the extreme right wing. I think I made that clear.
If you had made that clear to others, others wouldn't be asking you what you meant.
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:48:11pm |
re: #422 Icculus
Well, in fairness the Christians have been around for a much longer period of time. The Taliban's getting there, though. Also, with the exception of John the Baptist (and perhaps some French monarchs?), were pretty low on the beheading tally.
John the Baptist was beheaded by Christians, and the French Revolution was a Christian religious movement?
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:48:21pm |
re: #460 taxfreekiller
is that a threat, some one going to rumble on the R's
Threat? It's not a threat, it's just a good little piece of advice.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:48:35pm |
re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist
Those were not christians, they were ortodox...
The confusion I made is because "christians" means to me "catholic". I forgot ortodox anglicans, protestants and other cristhians faiths.
My bad.
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:48:43pm |
re: #431 traderjoe9
Stop being so sensitive.
Sensitivity is what protects us from allowing those events to happen again. Losing sensitivity means leads to losing your conscience and allowing what is wrong prevail.
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Ojoe Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:48:57pm |
re: #453 Gus 802
When have you ever heard of one of the major political parties actually expelling one of their registered voters for dishonorable conduct?
They don't ever, or rarely ever, because the parties are about power not honor.
I think, as corrupt as they are, and the above shows it certainly, that neither the D nor the R party is good for the country anymore.
A plague on both their houses.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:49:08pm |
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Erik The Red Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:49:20pm |
re: #458 callahan23
:-) They add all the time of the game being interrupted due to fouls and resulting injuries, that in turn is being added at the end.
A yellow card is being shown to a player who has committed a minor offense. The second yellow card and the player is being evicted from the playing field. It is a warning to not commit any other offenses.
The red card is getting you booted from the game immediately for a gross offense. The banned player is not to be exchanged and his team is going to continue with one player less. Also that player is banned to play in the next two games.
The yellow flag is used by the side-line referee to show the main referee that an off-side has occurred or that the ball left the field.
Just a few rules. ;-)
Now explain the offside rule Cal. :)))
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Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:49:38pm |
re: #467 Ojoe
When have you ever heard of one of the major political parties actually expelling one of their registered voters for dishonorable conduct?
They don't ever, or rarely ever, because the parties are about power not honor.
I think, as corrupt as they are, and the above shows it certainly, that neither the D nor the R party is good for the country anymore.
A plague on both their houses.
I know. Sometimes I have moments of optimism.
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callahan23 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:50:14pm |
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:50:44pm |
re: #466 little blessing
Sensitivity is what protects us from allowing those events to happen again. Losing sensitivity means leads to losing your conscience and allowing what is wrong prevail.
Don't lecture me about the importance of sensitivity. I'm an Israeli. I'm sensitivity in a nutshell.
What 'events' are you referring to?
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Ojoe Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:50:45pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:50:46pm |
re: #402 Throbert McGee
I'll have to take a pass on the pets. They require food, maintenance, and post-food clean-up, all things that cost money and would eat into my alcohol/tobacco budget.
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Racer X Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:52:02pm |
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Sco Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:52:12pm |
As a contrast w/ the vile anti-Bush, anti-American movement, these folks you portray are really the minority. Its the left that brought the political discourse into the toilet, so in a way they brought this on themselves.
Plus, consider that Obama's administration is truly infested with radical leftists and communists and socialists (no Nazi's, but plenty of folks that might be sympathetic to a National Socialism).
Read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Facism.
hopeychange.blogspot.com
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:52:14pm |
re: #465 marsl
Those were not christians, they were ortodox...
The confusion I made is because "christians" means to me "catholic". I forgot ortodox anglicans, protestants and other cristhians faiths.
My bad.
You should meet my students. To them 'Christian' means evangelical Protestants, and 'Catholic' is a different religion.
;)
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:52:18pm |
re: #445 PSGInfinity
So, you concede my earlier LoL? Good, we're getting somewhere. Check back with me in mid-2011, and we'll see how it's gone. If you had to pin me to a guess, I'd guess America would be in the midst of a self-correction. But we'll see.
Now, about your insults...
I did not know one "conceded" an LOL.
As for mid 2011, what are you saying? That there will be mid term election changes with the Republicans picking up seats?
Or that we'll be on the verge or in violent upheaval?
As for the insults, here's another one:
Take your supercilious nose and shove it, and the rest of your head up your ass.
I did like people individually, not en-mass, and people who lump all "leftists" or are "righties" together alway draw my distrust, disgust or contempt.
You hit hit the trifecta.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:52:35pm |
re: #441 Coracle
You know what it reminds me of? Clinton's first two years.
Yup. And later, too. The SPLC just released a report that the second wave of the militia movement is upon us. There are higher levels of activity than at any time since the 90's.
One big difference from the militia movement of the 1990s is that the face of the federal government — the enemy that almost all parts of the extreme right see as the primary threat to freedom — is now black. And the fact that the president is an African American has injected a strong racial element into even those parts of the radical right, like the militias, that in the past were not primarily motivated by race hate. Contributing to the racial animus have been fears on the far right about the consequences of Latino immigration.
Militia rhetoric is being heard widely once more, often from a second generation of ideologues, and conspiracy theories are being energetically revived or invented anew. "Paper terrorism" — the use of property liens, bogus legal documents and "citizens' grand juries" to attack enemies and, sometimes, reap illegal fortunes — is again proliferating, to the point where the government has set up special efforts to rein in so-called "tax defiers" and to track threats against judges. What's more, Patriot fears about the government are being amplified by a loud new group of ostensibly mainstream media commentators and politicians.
It's not 1996 all over again, or 1997 or 1998. Although there has been a remarkable rash of domestic terrorist incidents since Obama's election in November, it has not reached the level of criminal violence, attempted terrorist attacks and white-hot language that marked the militia movement at its peak. But militia training events, huge numbers of which are now viewable on YouTube videos, are spreading. One federal agency estimates that 50 new militia training groups have sprung up in less than two years. Sales of guns and ammunition have skyrocketed amid fears of new gun control laws, much as they did in the 1990s.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:53:12pm |
re: #478 Sco
As a contrast w/ the vile anti-Bush, anti-American movement, these folks you portray are really the minority.
No- they're the ORGANIZERS.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:53:40pm |
re: #467 Ojoe
When have you ever heard of one of the major political parties actually expelling one of their registered voters for dishonorable conduct? They don't ever, or rarely ever, because the parties are about power not honor. I think, as corrupt as they are, and the above shows it certainly, that neither the D nor the R party is good for the country anymore. A plague on both their houses.
AJ Strat, blogging here, thinks as you do, and argues that this is one of the two main drivers for the Tea Party movement. (BTW, he thinks the other is a naive and narcissistic Pres. Obama.)
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:54:37pm |
re: #473 traderjoe9
I didn't think that came across as a lecture. I'd lose my job if my "lectures" were so short!
All kidding aside, how can you ask people not be so sensitive when images of Hitler are used and the holocaust demeaned? As an Israeli you would well understand how dangerous it is to let down your guard.
| 485 |
traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:54:44pm |
re: #461 Sharmuta
If you had made that clear to others, others wouldn't be asking you what you meant.
Sharmuta, as I already said, if I was unclear, then I apologize. But just because my post was unclear, gives no right to Charles to try to link me with some creationist nutjob, a topic I haven't even touched since I registered.
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jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:55:10pm |
re: #482 Sharmuta
No- they're the ORGANIZERS.
And good people are going to these rallies because there is no real "Republican" leadership. I think it's by design at this point.
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SixDegrees Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:55:35pm |
re: #374 traderjoe9
Did I offend you in some way?
Extreme right wingers today vocalize their opinion that Obama is the Hitler incarnate, just as extreme liberals did the same before the election.
It's wrong no matter who does it.
It's more wrong for the Right, because they have the example of the Left's odiousness to studiously avoid, and have decried such bilge themselves in the past. So add to bad behavior stupidity and hypocrisy, and you've got a whole pile of BS that the Right ought not to be indulging in.
| 488 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:55:53pm |
re: #441 Coracle
You know what it reminds me of? Clinton's first two years.
And much to my embarrassment, I fell for that crap then. Thankfully I pulled my head out of my ass before I went Full Mental Wingnut with the folks praising Alex Jones back then.
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:57:20pm |
re: #473 traderjoe9
Don't lecture me about the importance of sensitivity. I'm an Israeli. I'm sensitivity in a nutshell.
This is OT, but this made me laugh out loud. I have too many Sabra relatives not to find this idea funny.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:58:07pm |
re: #478 Sco
.
Read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Facism.
Jonah Goldberg is a fucking idiot. And that book is an exercise in historical revisionism. As well as wanking.
Here's a nice example of Jonah's idea of 'scholarship'.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:58:19pm |
re: #486 jayzee
And good people are going to these rallies because there is no real "Republican" leadership. I think it's by design at this point.
Power vacuums create opportunities for the unsavory.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 4:58:20pm |
re: #484 little blessing
I didn't think that came across as a lecture. I'd lose my job if my "lectures" were so short!
All kidding aside, how can you ask people not be so sensitive when images of Hitler are used and the holocaust demeaned? As an Israeli you would well understand how dangerous it is to let down your guard.
I'm not questioning your right to be sensitive when it comes to things like you just mentioned...I'm questioning the need to interrogate me after one vague comment.
| 493 |
Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:01:34pm |
Man, the passive aggressive stench is getting pretty thick in this thread.
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marsl Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:01:41pm |
re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist
To us, it really is. That's why we burned jews, muslims, protestants, evangelics and all non-catholic. In the XVI century. The last pogrom "made in Portugal" was in Lisbon in 1502.
Last time that something like a pogrom happened in Portugal was in 1961 and happended in Angola (was a portuguese colony), in the funerals of seven white policemen killed by the guerrilas. In the funeral, was made a "terrorist-hunt" in Luanda. Maybe 80 black people were murdered in the process.
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:02:00pm |
re: #457 Sharmuta
I though Mandy would like to know why I said it was 700 Club concerning the truck with signs blaming 9/11 on a lack of "good" Christianity. It's because Falwell and Robertson (of the 700 Club) suggest that very thing. That is all.
Now- go shove words in someone else's mouth for awhile.
As you replied to another poster:
"If you had made that clear to others, others wouldn't be asking you what you meant."
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:02:07pm |
re: #489 Coracle
This is OT, but this made me laugh out loud. I have too many Sabra relatives not to find this idea funny.
:-)
Pro-Israeli Jews in general have this tendency to become very passionate when it comes to Israel.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:02:25pm |
re: #485 traderjoe9
Sharmuta, as I already said, if I was unclear, then I apologize. But just because my post was unclear, gives no right to Charles to try to link me with some creationist nutjob, a topic I haven't even touched since I registered.
There's a reason for it. If you say you have no connection, then that's what you say.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:02:33pm |
re: #250 directorblue
Mmmm... some of these signs look suspiciously like the ones here:
[Link: www.lookingattheleft.com...]
Manufactured by LaRouche-ites. Democrats who hate Obama.
Dude, the point is that they aren't made to feel extremely unwelcome by the organizers or other participants at these events. Who cares if they get their stuff from Lyndon LaRouche or from Alex Jones or from Pat Buchanan or from Glenn Beck...if it's crazy and offensive, it shouldn't be welcomed.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:03:39pm |
More photos, cherry-picked by the participants.
No Hitlers here but some guns. I actually think Obama as Alfred E. Newman is pretty good caricature, not racist and plays perfectly on the President's well-known ears.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:04:18pm |
re: #495 MacDuff
Instead of asking me why I posted such a quote- you asked if I thought they spoke for all Christians. Not only was that logically fallacious, it was stupid, as I implied no such thing at any point.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:05:21pm |
re: #96 Charles
A novella-length flounce in the 'Scenes from a Tea Party Thread."
Deleted in 30 seconds.
Aw, sometimes I wish you would leave up the flounce-off comments, just for fun. Though it makes sense to me that immediate deletion is, in the long run, the least-tsuris option.
| 504 |
traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:05:56pm |
re: #497 Charles
There's a reason for it. If you say you have no connection, then that's what you say.
I understand there's a reason for it - there's been plenty of nutjobs on this blog this recent ear. But I resent the implication that I might be one of them - publicly. If you have any reason for doubt, then feel free to check my previous posts or whatever, but I don't think its right to intimate the connection on this thread.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:06:13pm |
re: #486 jayzee
And good people are going to these rallies because there is no real "Republican" leadership. I think it's by design at this point.
Here we go again. "The Republicans are rudderless,,, they don’t have a leader,,, they're doomed"
Let me ask you something
June 1997, 6 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:06:28pm |
re: #492 traderjoe9
I've just gone back and re-read all of my posts in reply to yours.
1) I never interrogated you as I never even asked you a question.
2) It seems that I misunderstood your use of "stop being sensitive". I apologise.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:06:35pm |
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:06:41pm |
re: #480 doubter4444
I did not know one "conceded" an LOL.
New Fact-Of-The-Day?
As for mid 2011, what are you saying? That there will be mid term election changes with the Republicans picking up seats? Or that we'll be on the verge or in violent upheaval?
Likeliest scenario is the Pubs pick up seats and cooler heads prevail. Most other scenarios center on voter fraud be suspected or uncovered. Some end peaceably, and some don't. By mid-2011, the fog should have lifted.
As for the insults, here's another one:
[Embarrassing moment redacted]
I did like people individually, not en-mass, and people who lump all "leftists" or are "righties" together alway draw my distrust, disgust or contempt.
You hit hit the trifecta.
OK. Hopefully, you'll learn that the birds-of-a-feather saying applies to them as well, and that there are traits they have in common. Narcissism, for one...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:06:42pm |
I've seen enough of this to determine that the people involved are vile.
There is such a thing as civilized debate. There is such a thing as having factual concerns.
This is nothing more or less than deranged shrieking that belittles everything that America is supposed to stand for.
Do not ever pull out nazi language, unless you are talking about actual nazis. To do otherwise insults the dead. It insults those who fought to defeat them. It insults the intelligence and sensibilities of the person seeing the lunacy and it belittles the great sacrifices made by brave Americans to defeat them.
Do not compare the president to Lenin either. It insults the dead etc.. etc...
While we are at it... Shrieking incoherently does not help your cause. Showing up with signs like that only means you are completely butt stupid, likely racist and certainly insane. It becomes clear that you are not there for politics, but rather just to shriek and no different at all from a moonbat...
Well that is not totally true.
The moonbats tend to be in better shape and they don't threaten violence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:07:01pm |
re: #503 Throbert McGee
Aw, sometimes I wish you would leave up the flounce-off comments, just for fun. Though it makes sense to me that immediate deletion is, in the long run, the least-tsuris option.
I always feel a bit cheated when someone flounces and I miss the flounce. And I nearly always miss the flounce.
Sometimes they repost the flounce elsewhere. That's fun.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:07:17pm |
re: #492 traderjoe9
I'm not questioning your right to be sensitive when it comes to things like you just mentioned...I'm questioning the need to interrogate me after one vague comment.
Interrogate?
Who's being sensitive now?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:07:20pm |
re: #504 traderjoe9
I understand there's a reason for it - there's been plenty of nutjobs on this blog this recent ear. But I resent the implication that I might be one of them - publicly. If you have any reason for doubt, then feel free to check my previous posts or whatever, but I don't think its right to intimate the connection on this thread.
OK, go ahead and resent it. I've told you there was a reason, and I'm not just talking about a vague suspicion.
You answered my question.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:09:03pm |
re: #506 little blessing
I've just gone back and re-read all of my posts in reply to yours.
1) I never interrogated you as I never even asked you a question.2) It seems that I misunderstood your use of "stop being sensitive". I apologise.
Nah, wasn't referring to you.
Thanks. So I suppose you're a teacher?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:09:19pm |
re: #499 Shiplord Kirel
More photos, cherry-picked by the participants.
No Hitlers here but some guns. I actually think Obama as Alfred E. Newman is pretty good caricature, not racist and plays perfectly on the President's well-known ears.
Holy shit! Talk about friggin' irony.
Silence is consent. That's exactly what we've been saying about those who are silent in the face of kookery, truferism, conspiracy mongering, and racism at these tea party events.
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funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:09:33pm |
Oh, and this just horrifies me:
By Lindsey Connell - bio %P% email %P% Twitter
COLUMBUS, GA (WTVM) - A soldier set to deploy overseas is challenging her orders, arguing President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Captain Connie Rhodes' lawyer and army officials were set to face off in federal court in Columbus Friday but the proceedings stalled.
U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land held an emergency hearing but the captain, a doctor for the Army, wasn't there.
Her attorney says Rhodes is due at Fort Benning Saturday but was forbidden to leave Fort Riley in Kansas to attend Friday's hearing.
Orly Taitz, her lawyer, says instead of providing President Obama's vital records and proving that he is legitimate, the government is "intimidating and harassing" an officer.
Orly Taitz is now getting military people to sacrifice their careers on the altar of her insane cause? I mean, how does a physician get roped into something this nuts...but honestly, Taitz should be, well, ashamed isn't a strong enough word for it.
Shiplord Kirel had the link in the spinoffs:
[Link: www.wtvm.com...]
sigh. OK, off to be a good student.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:10:19pm |
re: #500 Racer X
How to tell if your iPhone has been stolen.
I see he still has his "Palm Pilot", though.
/let the groaning commence
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kilroy Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:10:22pm |
re: #513 Sharmuta
Roast over a campfire it tastes a little like chicken!
| 519 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:10:48pm |
re: #503 Throbert McGee
Aw, sometimes I wish you would leave up the flounce-off comments, just for fun. Though it makes sense to me that immediate deletion is, in the long run, the least-tsuris option.
I agree with Charles that all flounce posts should be deleted. The more replies there are to a flounce-off, the happier the flouncer is with all that excellent attention. Flounce pests (that's not a typo) do not deserve to get space on this blog, it makes them feel more special than a piece of dogshit on the bottom of Charles' boot.
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:10:55pm |
re: #514 traderjoe9
In the future, if you are not referring to me please don't hit the reply key to my post. It just causes more confusion.
Yes, I am a teacher. And proud of it!
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:12:00pm |
re: #511 Spare O'Lake
Interrogate?
Who's being sensitive now?
I make one unclear comment - if there was an edit option on this blog, I would change it - and Charles suspects me of being some nutjob. I don't think I'm the sensitive one.
| 522 |
MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:12:30pm |
re: #502 Sharmuta
Instead of asking me why I posted such a quote- you asked if I thought they spoke for all Christians. Not only was that logically fallacious, it was stupid, as I implied no such thing at any point.
All I can go by are your posts and based on those posts, my assumption was logical. You have since clarified the thoughts behind those posts.
As for "stupid", well, think what you will.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:12:40pm |
Quick, tune in NBC. Olberman is pre-game pontificating. I don't know what this presages for the Bears.
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doubter4444 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:13:01pm |
re: #478 Sco
As a contrast w/ the vile anti-Bush, anti-American movement, these folks you portray are really the minority. Its the left that brought the political discourse into the toilet, so in a way they brought this on themselves.
Plus, consider that Obama's administration is truly infested with radical leftists and communists and socialists (no Nazi's, but plenty of folks that might be sympathetic to a National Socialism).
Read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Facism.
hopeychange.blogspot.com
Lord, another J. Goldberg fanboy.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:13:07pm |
re: #519 Alouette
I agree with Charles that all flounce posts should be deleted. The more replies there are to a flounce-off, the happier the flouncer is with all that excellent attention. Flounce pests (that's not a typo) do not deserve to get space on this blog, it makes them feel more special than a piece of dogshit on the bottom of Charles' boot.
But how do you really feel?
| 526 |
Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:13:23pm |
re: #434 iceweasel
They linger over the horrors they predict are coming, much like certain radical Christian fundamentalists (or cult leaders) linger lovingly over their descriptions of the end times.
It becomes hard to escape the notion that these are people who long for it. It's a kind of escape from the circumstances of their lives into a fantasised post-apocalyptic future.
{{iceweasel}}
| 527 |
Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:13:35pm |
re: #521 traderjoe9
I make one unclear comment - if there was an edit option on this blog, I would change it - and Charles suspects me of being some nutjob.
No, I already told you there was a reason for my question, and it had nothing to do with what you posted. If you want to keep complaining about it, it's your choice. But it wouldn't be a wise one.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:15:35pm |
re: #481 iceweasel
Last week, there was some doubt expressed when I said that the hangers-on at the local gun shops were talking about nothing but revolution and civil war these days. These people speak pretty freely around me, since they do not know my views on this subject but they do know that I am a shooter and a veteran. I just let them talk. You never know when something really important might pop out.
Again, this is much much more pervasive than many outside the gun culture realize.
| 529 |
Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:15:52pm |
re: #521 traderjoe9
I make one unclear comment - if there was an edit option on this blog, I would change it - and Charles suspects me of being some nutjob. I don't think I'm the sensitive one.
I trust Charles on this. I don't think he would have asked the question simply on the basis of "one unclear comment".
No way.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:16:30pm |
re: #526 Throbert McGee
{{iceweasel}}
Hey, Throbert!
{ { Throbert } }
Answered you downstairs btw. ;)
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:17:36pm |
re: #527 Charles
No, I already told you there was a reason for my question, and it had nothing to do with what you posted. If you want to keep complaining about it, it's your choice. But it wouldn't be a wise one.
I understand that you had a reason for it, I just don't understand why you had to make the accusation publicly.
Whatever. I'll drop it.
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:17:56pm |
re: #530 iceweasel
Hey, Throbert!
{ { Throbert } }
Answered you downstairs btw. ;)
Hi Ice! How are you tonight?
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:18:41pm |
re: #490 iceweasel
Jonah Goldberg is a fucking idiot. And that book is an exercise in historical revisionism. As well as wanking.
Here's a nice example of Jonah's idea of 'scholarship'.
Sigh. Your 'proof' is a page-length ad hominem attack, complete with the same kind of cherry-picking he incorrectly accuses Goldberg of. And BTW, if nepotism was a disqualifier, how does he defend Teddy Kennedy (whose father Joe was an unabashed fan of Hitler's BTW)
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:19:00pm |
re: #528 Shiplord Kirel
Last week, there was some doubt expressed when I said that the hangers-on at the local gun shops were talking about nothing but revolution and civil war these days. These people speak pretty freely around me, since they do not know my views on this subject but they do know that I am a shooter and a veteran. I just let them talk. You never know when something really important might pop out.
Again, this is much much more pervasive than many outside the gun culture realize.
Yup. I'm outside that culture myself, but I've seen enough reports about it. Nirtherism is quite rampant at the shows too. Lots of disturbing rhetoric. Definite steady drumbeat of secession, insurrection, revolution. The reports are too persistent for me to overlook.
Add to that the run on guns and ammo, and that it shows no signs of slowing...
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:19:14pm |
re: #522 MacDuff
All I can go by are your posts and based on those posts, my assumption was logical. You have since clarified the thoughts behind those posts.
The problem is you made an assumption. One that was completely wrong. And no- it wasn't logical either. I quote two kooky preacher-men and that means I think they speak for all Christians in your mind?
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theheat Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:19:31pm |
Thank you, Charles, for posting these. I'm fed up with these people that don't think there is any harm in attending these little soirees, because they aren't fringe militia fascists, they're just more than content to hang out with them, listen to them, and indirectly legitimize them.
Likening someone or something to Nazis has become so commonplace, and so misused, it degrades all those who were actually persecuted by Hitler's regime. It's necrophilia, at this point.
Bush = Nazi, Obama = Nazi - I'm fucking sick to death of it. And I'm weary of all the bullshit excuses by people that attend these batshit crazy tea parties, to wallow in unison with the same crazy bastards that think this Nazi shit, and every other lunatic conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, is something Joe Q. Public should get behind.
| 537 |
traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:20:11pm |
re: #520 little blessing
In the future, if you are not referring to me please don't hit the reply key to my post. It just causes more confusion.
Yes, I am a teacher. And proud of it!
That's great, I admire that. Underrated, under appreciated profession. I'd love to be a history teacher in the future.
| 538 |
Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:20:40pm |
I particularly adore the sign that starts "Oh S#!t". (How's that for klever konservative werdpley?) Too christo-prissy to come out and say shit, but callin' the Prez a Nazi iz fein.
Why do I find myself reminded of mealiest mouths like that of "Goddess of the Classroom"?
| 539 |
FrogMarch Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:21:47pm |
re: #499 Shiplord Kirel
More photos, cherry-picked by the participants.
No Hitlers here but some guns. I actually think Obama as Alfred E. Newman is pretty good caricature, not racist and plays perfectly on the President's well-known ears.
I like this one. and I liked sign someone had with George Washington saying "WTF"?
Adding to the pile: The Obama as Hitler/nazi signs are intellectually vapid.
"That's the trouble with demonstrations. You're going to be judged by the company you keep. And nothing's going to make it fair and proportionate."
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:21:53pm |
re: #533 PSGInfinity
Sigh. Your 'proof' is a page-length ad hominem attack, complete with the same kind of cherry-picking he incorrectly accuses Goldberg of. And BTW, if nepotism was a disqualifier, how does he defend Teddy Kennedy (whose father Joe was an unabashed fan of Hitler's BTW)
No, my proof is one excellent review by someone who actually knows something about fascism, as well as proof that Goldberg's idea of research is to ask NRO readers to do it for him, and then reject the assistance of an actual scholar who has actually read Spencer.
But keep on touting Goldberg as some kind of intellectual powerhouse. It's a perfect sign of the collapse of the right that anyone thinks this recipient of Wingnut Welfare is anything but a moron.
| 541 |
J.S. Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:22:31pm |
David Frum wrote a great column, "GOP surrenders to Beck's mob rule". Frum denounces Glenn Beck as someone who is obsessed with getting attention, making ludicrous (even defamatory) claims, so long as it improves his ratings. Frum argues that conservatives shouldn't fall for the Beck routine...he concludes by writing: "We conservatives are submitting our movement to some of the most unscrupulous people in American life. This submission disgraces conservatism, discredits Republicans, and damages the country..."
| 542 |
Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:23:22pm |
re: #533 PSGInfinity
You seriously want me to accept that fascists are liberals? Because it's just not the case. Now- if you wanted to discuss left wing authoritarianism, you could make a case. But not all authoritarianism is fascism. And fascism is not left wing.
| 543 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:24:18pm |
re: #434 iceweasel
Invariably it seems that the people darkly warning of a coming civil war are people who actually long for one. They're stockpiling weapons and ammo and food. They're listening to Glenn Beck talk about a coming revolution.
Radio station KFYO in Lubbock does a "weekly ammunition report" during their Friday morning show, tracking the cost and availability of
various calibers at some of the local retailers.
| 544 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:24:45pm |
I've been wondering where all the crazy progressive have gone since Obama was elected, you know, the types that were protesting, calling Bush all sorts of things, praising Hugo, that sort of stuff.
Well, I was riding down hill to work today and I couldn't find any local talk shows on, all sports, all games of some sort.
So I turned on the progressive station (surprisingly it's owned by Clear Channel who owns most of the conservative talk stations) and guess who I heard... Thom Hartmann.
They were playing repeats of his shows this past week. I found the mother load, the socialist hive, here's where they are hiding.
It's no wonder that the Democrats won't even try a health care vote. After listening to Hartmann, the left are eating their own.
Give him a listen some time.
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:25:09pm |
re: #440 buzzsawmonkey
Or maybe it would be more like Kenneth Mars objecting to Dick Shawn in the original "Producers"; "Vas ist das "baby?" Der Fuehrer never said, "baby!""
Und, Hitler vas a better dancer than Churchill!!!
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Ringo the Gringo Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:25:10pm |
It's truly come full circle...The Right and the Left have become mirror images of each other. They're even using the same signs; compare the image at the top of this thread to this sign which I've photographed many times at various Leftwing demonstrations.
I fear that we will soon see demonstrations where both sides confront one another.
My only consolation is that the vast majority of people - left, right and center - do not attend political demonstrations.
| 548 |
The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:25:40pm |
re: #538 Cato the Elder
I particularly adore the sign that starts "Oh S#!t". (How's that for klever konservative werdpley?) Too christo-prissy to come out and say shit, but callin' the Prez a Nazi iz fein.
Why do I find myself reminded of mealiest mouths like that of "Goddess of the Classroom"?
Right. The pearlclutchers. Let's clutch our pearls and moan at the incivility of the left when they use a word like shit, but we'll tie ourselves in knots to avoid calling waterboarding torture. Or to excuse evidence of racism. Etc.
Those who are more concerned with the form of civility, rather than the genuine existence of decency and morality, are assholes. As well as morally bankrupt, usually.
| 549 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:26:04pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:27:08pm |
re: #547 Rima
Captain Picard was a BORG ,,, see Star Trek, TNG !!!
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traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:27:12pm |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Can you imagine that just 10 months ago right-wingers were criticizing liberals for their offensive Hitler comparisons, and now right-wingers are doing the exact same thing? Pathetic!
| 552 |
funky chicken Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:27:23pm |
Taitz was born to a Jewish family in Chişinău, Moldavian SSR,[4] (present day Moldova) and immigrated to Israel in 1981.[1] During her residence in Israel, Taitz completed a dentistry degree at Hebrew University.[1] In 1987 she met her husband Yosef when he visited Israel. After he proposed, she immigrated to the United States where they married in Las Vegas.[4] She later received her law degree from Taft Law School in Santa Ana, California, which "specializes in 'distance learning law programs to qualified students around the world'",[8] and subsequently passed the California bar exam.[9]
Taitz currently lives in Laguna Niguel, California,[10] and owns dental practices in nearby Mission Viejo and Rancho Santa Margarita.[4] A photo caption accompanying a 1990 Los Angeles Times article identified Taitz as a volunteer at the Share Our Selves dental clinic in Costa Mesa.[11] She has three sons,[4] holds a second degree black belt in Taekwondo, and speaks five languages: English, Hebrew, Romanian, Russian, and Spanish.[5][12][13]
Before her rise to prominence in late 2008, Taitz had previously been personally involved in 22 lawsuits in Orange County civil court, including suing Tarbut V' Torah, the private school her son attended, for what she claimed was his "unfair expulsion".[9] Most of the other cases involved "accusations of dental and medical malpractice" and breach of contract suits.[9] She was quoted in the Orange County Register in 2006 supporting Israeli military actions against Hamas and Hezbollah,[14] and downplaying the impact of the espionage trial of two American Israel Public Affairs Committee staffers.[15]
so, in addition to being insane and a threat to herself and others, she's a genius (passed the CA bar exam after getting her JD from a virtual diploma mill? that's impressive)
I'd never even heard of her before about a month ago or so...
She needs to be publicly repudiated, big time
| 553 |
Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:27:25pm |
re: #547 Rima
I think you don't know what a fascist is then.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:27:56pm |
re: #532 HoosierHoops
Hi Ice! How are you tonight?
Hey Handsome! I'm finer than ever, thanks! And you?
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:28:43pm |
re: #542 Sharmuta
You seriously want me to accept that fascists are liberals? Because it's just not the case. Now- if you wanted to discuss left wing authoritarianism, you could make a case. But not all authoritarianism is fascism. And fascism is not left wing.
Not liberals. Leftists. Very.Different.Animal.
Fascism can be a human problem (See Gen. Pinochet for proof), but the fact remains that the fascist impulse is a defining characteristic of a Lefty.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:28:44pm |
re: #549 sattv4u2
Give him a listen some time.
I tried ,, but I kept slitting my wrists!
No kidding... Mike Malloy is worse.
They replaced the only progressive radio station here in San Diego with another sports channel.
| 557 |
Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:29:22pm |
re: #555 PSGInfinity
The book isn't called "Leftist Fascism" but nice try.
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jorline Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:29:33pm |
re: #542 Sharmuta
You seriously want me to accept that fascists are liberals? Because it's just not the case. Now- if you wanted to discuss left wing authoritarianism, you could make a case. But not all authoritarianism is fascism. And fascism is not left wing.
When all the wings come disjointed in the same "Finger Lickin" bucket...who can tell a left wing from a right?
//
| 559 |
Randall Gross Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:30:03pm |
re: #547 Rima
I've read it a couple of times, there's not a a parallel. Leonard's book is valuable in that it does make some valid comparisons to Wiemar etc. however it's always been way over the top in it's clear misunderstanding of what the US will and will not put up with.
| 560 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:30:12pm |
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:31:41pm |
re: #551 traderjoe9
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Can you imagine that just 10 months ago right-wingers were criticizing liberals for their offensive Hitler comparisons, and now right-wingers are doing the exact same thing? Pathetic!
I bet if I went through that thread I wouldn't find anyone claiming that the sign is perfectly ok but just missing a comma, or saying it's mean and unfair to think we know the 'intent' of the signcarriers, or saying that the right said mean things about Clinton too, or that people were cherrypicking crazy lefties...or any of the other myriad excuses some people are suddenly coming up with in order to excuse, ignore, minimise, or justify what's going on now.
| 562 |
jaunte Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:32:17pm |
President Obama is not a fascist by Robert Paxton's historically accurate definition of fascism:
* a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions;* the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it;
* the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external;
* dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences;
* the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary;
* the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny;
* the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason;
* the beauty of violence and efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 563 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:33:04pm |
Oh gawd...the humanity!
The 'Rightist' siege of DC! ...and then they left(pun intended).
Where have I been? How could I have not seen it coming?
| 564 |
FrogMarch Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:33:16pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Oh man. 7 sixty- Progressive talk? I am morbidly fascinated with it myself. (When I'm feeling stomach strong or bored) They really are not afraid of admitting what they want. ie: single payer universal health care and the laundry list of big government whackadoodle stuff. Makes my head hurt. While the politicians try to spin around issues with slick rhetoric - the leftists like Hartmann come right out and say it!
| 565 |
midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:34:05pm |
re: #558 jorline
{jorline} I think you described the confusion in one sentence.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:34:29pm |
re: #555 PSGInfinity
Not liberals. Leftists. Very.Different.Animal.
Fascism can be a human problem (See Gen. Pinochet for proof), but the fact remains that the fascist impulse is a defining characteristic of a Lefty.
Oh, so now you're going to draw some convoluted distinction between liberals, those on the left, and leftists. No thanks. I suspect your distinctions will be about as valid as Goldberg's-- that is, random shit you pull out of your ass to justify the conclusion you wanted to draw all along.
Not surprising from a DoughBob LoadPants fanboi.
| 567 |
MJ Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:34:38pm |
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Late Israeli Astronaut's Pilot Son Killed In Crash
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The 20-year-old pilot son of Ilan Ramon, the Israeli astronaut who died in the Columbia space shuttle disaster of 2003, was killed Sunday when his fighter plane crashed during training, the Israeli military said.
Assaf Ramon graduated from air force flying school three months ago amid a flurry of local media interest in the career of the eldest son of the first -- and only -- Israeli in space. Broadcasters interrupted programs Sunday to air the news...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 568 |
PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:35:03pm |
re: #540 iceweasel
No, my proof is one excellent review by someone who actually knows something about fascism, as well as proof that Goldberg's idea of research is to ask NRO readers to do it for him, and then reject the assistance of an actual scholar who has actually read Spencer.
No your proof is a page-length ad hominem attack. For example, may I remind you that the KKK was founded by Democrats, the leftist of their day? Also, may I remind you that the Soviets realized they had a PR problem and (apparently successfully) convinced everyone that fascists were Righties? And that his economic plan, stripped of the racial bullshit, is simply unremarkable socialism?
But keep on touting Goldberg as some kind of intellectual powerhouse. It's a perfect sign of the collapse of the right that anyone thinks this recipient of Wingnut Welfare is anything but a moron.
Just shut up, eh?
| 569 |
traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:35:41pm |
re: #551 traderjoe9
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Can you imagine that just 10 months ago right-wingers were criticizing liberals for their offensive Hitler comparisons, and now right-wingers are doing the exact same thing? Pathetic!
Whats going on Charles? Why can't I please you?
| 570 |
PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:35:58pm |
re: #557 Sharmuta
The book isn't called "Leftist Fascism" but nice try.
He's using the wrong word IMO. But that's the way it goes sometimes...
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little blessing Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:12pm |
re: #567 MJ
Condolences to the entire Ramon family. May they be comforted amongst the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.
| 572 |
Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:12pm |
I won't argue this "Nazis were leftists" talking point any more. It's utterly false.
But it's become an article of faith for a lot of far right wingers, and it's impossible to convince them otherwise.
| 573 |
Gus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:29pm |
re: #555 PSGInfinity
Not liberals. Leftists. Very.Different.Animal.
Fascism can be a human problem (See Gen. Pinochet for proof), but the fact remains that the fascist impulse is a defining characteristic of a Lefty.
A fascist can either be a leftist or a rightest.
| 574 |
traderjoe9 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:47pm |
re: #567 MJ
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Late Israeli Astronaut's Pilot Son Killed In Crash
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
His poor mother...losing both husband and son and both so recently...
| 575 |
Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:38:38pm |
re: #570 PSGInfinity
Have you read anything on fascism from a credible source like Paxton?
| 576 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:38:59pm |
re: #564 FrogMarch
Oh man. 7 sixty- Progressive talk? I am morbidly fascinated with it myself. (When I'm feeling stomach strong or bored) They really are not afraid of admitting what they want. ie: single payer universal health care and the laundry list of big government whackadoodle stuff. Makes my head hurt. While the politicians try to spin around issues with slick rhetoric - the leftists like Hartmann come right out and say it!
Yes 760. You are so right. After listening to an a couple of hours of Thom Hartmann today I will tell you this. Crazy, such as the crazy we have been seeing from the right (such as the crazy on this thread) has big time competition from the left.
I'm going to keep track of Hartmann and report here as the progressive continue to eat their own.
It'll be fun.
| 577 |
jorline Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:39:40pm |
re: #565 midwestgak
{jorline} I think you described the confusion in one sentence.
{gak}
The next step will be the constant monitoring of all Coffee Breaks.
I knew there was more than idle gossip in the Coffee Houses and Break Rooms around our nation.
| 578 |
nevets Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:39:58pm |
In 2002, LGF was instrumental in getting me to Israel with Sar-El, a volunteer program. It was the coverage of the bombing @ Mike's Place, in Tel Aviv on the beach, that did it for me. I have since gone to said bar, and it's become my second "home" when I go. I chose to volunteer on army bases throughout the country. Most of them are around the Tel Aviv area...makes sense since it's the most secure section of the country. It has nothing to do with "active" duty...mostly mundane tasks that free up others to pursue more important goals.
I haven't visited LGF for a while...due to a feeling that the site had become a little to "right" for my tastes and beliefs.
Well...I'm back. And I feel that Charles runs an amazing blog that rivals MSM...
| 579 |
PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:40:24pm |
re: #566 iceweasel
Oh, so now you're going to draw some convoluted distinction between liberals, those on the left, and leftists. No thanks. I suspect your distinctions will be about as valid as Goldberg's-- that is, random shit you pull out of your ass to justify the conclusion you wanted to draw all along.
Not surprising from a [stupidity redacted]
Not convoluted at all.
Liberals are warm-hearted-but-woolly-headed. (See Snow, Olympia)
Lefties are hate-filled narcissitic bigots who want nothing better than to destroy Judaism, Christianity, Western Civilization, America and Israel. (See Jones, Van; Chomsky, Noam, et al)
| 580 |
PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:40:56pm |
re: #571 little blessing
Condolences to the entire Ramon family. May they be comforted amongst the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.
Hear Hear!
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Enkidu90046 Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:41:53pm |
re: #558 jorline
When all the wings come disjointed in the same "Finger Lickin" bucket...who can tell a left wing from a right?
//
Seems that if you go far enough to the right and you pop out on the left and vice versa.
The political spectrum resembles a circle more than a line.
| 582 |
Reginald Perrin Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:42:00pm |
re: #434 iceweasel
Check out this comment from a thread earlier today at the stalker/hate blog.
I bet it won't take readers three guesses to figure out who made this comment.
It’s coming down to either removal from office for high crimes and misdemeanors OR a military coup.
| 583 |
Salamantis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:43:34pm |
I see that once again it is time to deprogram the brainwashed Goldberg hordes.
Fascism and Communism and Theocracy are all forms of collectivist totalitarianism - that's what they have in common. However, they differ in the rationales they proffer as their excuse to usurp individual freedom in the service of collectivity. Fascism justifies it on the basis of racial purity and supremacy. Communism justifies it on the basis of the erasure of class distinctions. And theocracies justify it in the name of some revealed religious scripture or other.
The opposite of collectivist totalitarianism is anarchism, and there is only one type; since they desire the complete and utter absence of all government whatsoever, they don't indulge in multiple different justifications for governmental forms.
What we have, a constitutional democratic republic, occupies the sweet spot moderate center between these extremes. It recognizes that, since many things that are necessary for the functioning of modern society and culture cannot be accomplished by solitary individuals, there must be a means by which people can reach consensuses (consensii?) and cooperatively act upon them, and has chosen the popular election of representatives as our means by which we discern and implement such consensuses.
| 584 |
Digital Display Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:44:11pm |
re: #554 iceweasel
Hey Handsome! I'm finer than ever, thanks! And you?
Hi Ice! It's been parties all weekend long..The Colts won...I ate and drank way too much the last 48 hours...
How are you?
/anybody around want to pick a fight with the hoopster?
//I''m teasing you Charles Hope today finds you well
| 585 |
PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:44:39pm |
re: #575 Sharmuta
Have you read anything on fascism from a credible source like Paxton?
Assuming for a moment that Goldberg isn't credible, no I haven't read Paxton. I've got his Amazon link up, and I'll give it at least a scan...
| 586 |
Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:45:17pm |
re: #585 PSGInfinity
Then you don't know what you're talking about.
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:45:53pm |
re: #568 PSGInfinity
No your proof is a page-length ad hominem attack. For example, may I remind you that the KKK was founded by Democrats
Here's a little lesson for you: It's ad hominem to call someone a liar, when they are not a liar. It's ad hominem to shift the argument away from the ideas a person is espousing, to irrelevant personal attacks and insults on their appearance, their character, or other unrelated qualities.
To say that Jonah Goldberg is stupid, ill-informed, not even so much a sloppy scholar as one who has demonstrated a complete inability to do serious scholarship, as well as an utter incapacity to do it, isn't ad hominem. To say that he is a person who had an agenda from the start and wrote ten pounds of crap in a one pound book for that agenda is also not ad hominem.
It's not ad hominem because these things are true, and highly relevant to the question of JG's credibility. In short, he has none. Less than none.
And the fact that you don't understand the difference between ad hominem attacks and argument, between credibile evidence and that which is not, between relevant points and the irrelevant, all demonstrates why you think JG is worth reading.
In short, sir, you are an idiot. And that is not ad hominem, but likewise a statement of fact.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:04pm |
re: #545 Enkidu90046
Und, Hitler vas a better dancer than Churchill!!!
He vas a better painter! He could paint an apartment in one afternoon, two coats!
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offsetview Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:18pm |
I need to add my two cents worth. I feel that since 2000 all decorum in political discussions have been slowly eroding. I was verbally assaulted after 2000 and 2004 for my bush cheney stickers. I had a friend at a friendly poker game become unhinged over my club gitmo shirt but could not imagine my reacting to his wearing a al sharpton for president shirt a couple of weeks earlier. I've always been the type of person to live and let live when it comes to political views. I worked at medium size newspaper and when obama was elected everyone of the dept. heads all had copies of the victory plastered in their offices .do you think this would have been permitted had I had done this in 2000 and 2004? not likely all I'm saying is you reach a point that you kick that good natured dog enough he is eventually going to turn around and bite you and we have been kicked by both parties.
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midwestgak Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:37pm |
re: #577 jorline
{gak}
The next step will be the constant monitoring of all Coffee Breaks.
I knew there was more than idle gossip in the Coffee Houses and Break Rooms around our nation.
(sigh)
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:46pm |
re: #530 iceweasel
Hey, Throbert!
{ { Throbert } }
Answered you downstairs btw. ;)
Thanks, iceweasel! Saw that and responded. Disappointing about Ace, though -- he was the one I "leaked" the most details to during that Scott Beauchamp kerfuffle.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:53pm |
re: #578 nevets
In 2002, LGF was instrumental in getting me to Israel with Sar-El, a volunteer program. It was the coverage of the bombing @ Mike's Place, in Tel Aviv on the beach, that did it for me. I have since gone to said bar, and it's become my second "home" when I go. I chose to volunteer on army bases throughout the country. Most of them are around the Tel Aviv area...makes sense since it's the most secure section of the country. It has nothing to do with "active" duty...mostly mundane tasks that free up others to pursue more important goals.
I haven't visited LGF for a while...due to a feeling that the site had become a little to "right" for my tastes and beliefs.
Well...I'm back. And I feel that Charles runs an amazing blog that rivals MSM...
Thank you so much for those nice words! Please give the folks at Mike's Place my best wishes.
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jorline Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:47:54pm |
re: #581 Enkidu90046
Seems that if you go far enough to the right and you pop out on the left and vice versa.
The political spectrum resembles a circle more than a line.
It's a vicious circle.
Some may call it "The Circle of Life".
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FrogMarch Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:48:15pm |
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:48:28pm |
re: #585 PSGInfinity
Assuming for a moment that Goldberg isn't credible, no I haven't read Paxton. I've got his Amazon link up, and I'll give it at least a scan...
Great. So you've read Goldberg, but not the work every scholar of fascism believes is the most relevant in the field, and the one that every historian of fascism considers primary.
We've left idiocy and entered the realm of total and complete FAIL.
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Icculus Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:49:36pm |
re: #462 MacDuff
John the Baptist was beheaded by Christians, and the French Revolution was a Christian religious movement?
No, but John the Baptist was an important beheading for the early Christian movement, and the French revolutionaries were mostly Christian. I don't think the Muslim beheaders are doing it for necessarily religious reasons, either.
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FrogMarch Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:49:52pm |
re: #576 Walter L. Newton
Yes 760. You are so right. After listening to an a couple of hours of Thom Hartmann today I will tell you this. Crazy, such as the crazy we have been seeing from the right (such as the crazy on this thread) has big time competition from the left.
I'm going to keep track of Hartmann and report here as the progressive continue to eat their own.
It'll be fun.
Take care of your mental health while doing so.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:50:07pm |
re: #594 FrogMarch
Just shut up, eh?
Klavan makes a great point about the "shut up" left.
The progressives learned from their leader, Obama...
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
What would you expect?
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:50:14pm |
re: #595 iceweasel
We now know next time someone goes on and on about Goldberg to ask what other sources on fascism they've read. We could have cut out a lot of bullshit had we asked sooner- "read any credible material on fascism?"
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jorline Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:50:20pm |
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:51:08pm |
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:52:20pm |
re: #595 iceweasel
Great. So you've read Goldberg, but not the work every scholar of fascism believes is the most relevant in the field, and the one that every historian of fascism considers primary. We've left idiocy and entered the realm of total and complete FAIL.
Argument from authority is a logical failure, BTW.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:53:14pm |
re: #579 PSGInfinity
This is complete crap. Most of my family is still on the left and not one of them wants to destroy religion. My grandfather has been a life long democrat and plays piano for his church every week. With every passing comment you show you have no idea what you're talking about, and it's surprising.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:53:48pm |
re: #601 PSGInfinity
Not all that impressed so far.
Yeah- I'm completely unimpressed by you or your ignorance.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:54:52pm |
re: #587 iceweasel
Here's a little lesson for you: It's ad hominem to call someone a liar, when they are not a liar. It's ad hominem to shift the argument away from the ideas a person is espousing, to irrelevant personal attacks and insults on their appearance, their character, or other unrelated qualities.
Very good...
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Salamantis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:57:00pm |
Why haven't you addressed my #583, PSGInfinity?
You know; this post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:58:03pm |
re: #603 Sharmuta
This is complete crap. Most of my family is still on the left and not one of them wants to destroy religion. My grandfather has been a life long democrat and plays piano for his church every week. With every passing comment you show you have no idea what you're talking about, and it's surprising.
I would then describe your father as a liberal, not a leftist.
I'm sorry for the pain I caused you.
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FrogMarch Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:58:19pm |
re: #598 Walter L. Newton
The progressives learned from their leader, Obama...
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
What would you expect?
code: "shut up"
He did it in the speech the other night when he said:
Well the time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action.
"Why? This is just a raw pronouncement, and he's tried to call time before, including back when the hot debate was only beginning. What I hear is: Shut up." -AA
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:59:27pm |
re: #607 PSGInfinity
I would then describe your father as a liberal, not a leftist.
I'm sorry for the pain I caused you.
And now you show you lack comprehension. I didn't say anything about my father. And I said nothing about you causing me pain. Get over yourself.
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:00:30pm |
re: #608 FrogMarch
"Why? This is just a raw pronouncement, and he's tried to call time before, including back when the hot debate was only beginning. What I hear is: Shut up." -AA
Did you hear that when he told the Republicans in particular "my door is always open"?
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:00:34pm |
re: #602 PSGInfinity
Argument from authority is a logical failure, BTW.
Actually, it's perfectly justifiable to cite an "authority" when trying to pin down a definition -- e.g., "What is fascism, and what isn't fascism"?
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Salamantis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:02:16pm |
re: #606 Salamantis
Why haven't you addressed my #583, PSGInfinity?
You know; this post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
*crickets*...
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:02:55pm |
re: #602 PSGInfinity
Argument from authority is a logical failure, BTW.
Failure to be aware of the primary research material in the scholarly field you pretend to be working in isn't a refusal to argue from authority. It's a total misapprehension of how scholarship works. It's also endorsing anti-intellectualism, btw.
So we've established you know nothing about fascism, don't know the difference between ad hominem and legitimate criticism, and now that you don't know what arguing from authority is either. We already knew you didn't know what scholarship is, since you think Jonah does it.
Keep digging!
Favourite fun Goldberg fact: Goldberg announced that he was making a new argument in LF, "one which has never been made before or with such detail and care"...two years before writing the book.
Wishing doesn't make things so, you know. And it's pretty hilarious to announce how detailed and careful your argument is before you've made it.
Other fave Goldberg fact: Upon being refuted on yet another point, JG responded with "Indeed, that is central to my point." Which is now widely employed ironically on the left whenever someone is so stupid that they don't know they've been refuted, and even think it somehow helps them.
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PSGInfinity Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:02:58pm |
Becare: #606 Salamantis
Why haven't you addressed my #583, PSGInfinity?
You know; this post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Because after having every post willfully misinterpreted, watching all sense of perspective vanish before my eyes, and watching two threads devolve into name-calling contests, I let yours go for a while... and after your prodding, it'll be a good while longer.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:50pm |
re: #611 Throbert McGee
Actually, it's perfectly justifiable to cite an "authority" when trying to pin down a definition -- e.g., "What is fascism, and what isn't fascism"?
And note that it wasn't a problem to argue when it was Goldberg that was the authority.
| 616 |
Salamantis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:04:19pm |
re: #614 PSGInfinity
Because after having every post willfully misinterpreted, watching all sense of perspective vanish before my eyes, and watching two threads devolve into name-calling contests, I let yours go for a while... and after your prodding, it'll be a good while longer.
You don't because you can't. Not and continue to adhere to Goldbergianism.
| 617 |
Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:04:33pm |
Isn't it kind of easy to identify authoritative authoritative treatments by simply using Google, and then to pretend that they have read them and/or dismiss others who may be honest enough to admit they have not?
Isn't it better to deal with substantive arguments than to take these mean, cheap shots at people with whom one disagrees?
| 618 |
The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:04:42pm |
re: #611 Throbert McGee
Actually, it's perfectly justifiable to cite an "authority" when trying to pin down a definition -- e.g., "What is fascism, and what isn't fascism"?
Indeed, that is central to his point...
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:05:15pm |
re: #616 Salamantis
You don't because you can't. Not and continue to adhere to Goldbergianism.
I propose the word Goldbaggery instead. ;)
| 620 |
jaunte Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:07:45pm |
re: #617 Spare O'Lake
Isn't it kind of easy to identify authoritative authoritative treatments by simply using Google, and then to pretend that they have read them and/or dismiss others who may be honest enough to admit they have not?
Isn't it better to deal with substantive arguments than to take these mean, cheap shots at people with whom one disagrees?
I don't know if Goldberg has dealt wiht this element of Paxton's fascism definition, but it seems to me hard to argue it's any part of Liberal thinking:
* the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary;
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Throbert McGee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:10:02pm |
re: #614 PSGInfinity
Because after having every post willfully misinterpreted, watching all sense of perspective vanish before my eyes, and watching two threads devolve into name-calling contests, I let yours go for a while... and after your prodding, it'll be a good while longer.
Mary, please desist from being such a freakin' Drama Queen.
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Salamantis Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:12:08pm |
re: #619 iceweasel
I propose the word Goldbaggery instead. ;)
I at first misread this to say Goldbuggery; so glad you didn't insult Throbert in this manner by associating him with the likes of Goldberg...;~)
/
| 623 |
jayzee Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:13:08pm |
re: #505 sattv4u2
Here we go again. "The Republicans are rudderless,,, they don’t have a leader,,, they're doomed"
Let me ask you something
June 1997, 6 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS
You're gonna doubt my Republican credentials? OK, I will explain it to you, it is not just that the leadership is taking a break, it is that they are allowing radical, racist, seditious assholes gain control of the party. That IS a problem. Paul and Buchanan aint Republicans. Birchers aint Republicans. They should have knee capped Paul during the primary, "Duked" him if you will. We keep going in this direction and we are fucked. These morons are dangerous like those currently in power with their isolationist foreign policy and just as moronic fiscally with their anti fed stances.
| 624 |
Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:15:57pm |
re: #620 jaunte
Goldberg's thesis is a load of crap.
But my questions about name calling and bullshit debating techniques stands.
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lawhawk Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:31pm |
re: #259 midwestgak
You disappoint me {lawhawk}. Cutler is an arrogant . . . but he's better than Grossman or Orton were. Griesie was better than either one of them.
Keep in mind (if you don't like Cutler) we have a pretty good backup QB in Hanie.
Eh, we'll take your Bears and show 'em who's boss. Go Big Blue!
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The Left Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:52pm |
re: #624 Spare O'Lake
Goldberg's thesis is a load of crap.
But my questions about name calling and bullshit debating techniques stands.
I'm not actually seeing any bs debating techniques here except by the defender of Goldberg.
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J.S. Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:23:31pm |
re: #624 Spare O'Lake
I see this as a huge problem (which keeps reoccurring) -- name calling isn't conducive to changing minds -- and, after all, shouldn't that (changing minds) be one of the goals of argumentation? (whether it's health care debates, taxation, foreign policy, evolutionary theory, etc. -- the first priority, imo, should be education and a presentation of the facts/evidence to support one's position...)
| 630 |
sagehen Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:24:58pm |
re: #505 sattv4u2
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
Everyone who saw his keynote speech at the 2004 DNC?
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MacDuff Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:31:30pm |
re: #596 Icculus
No, but John the Baptist was an important beheading for the early Christian movement, and the French revolutionaries were mostly Christian. I don't think the Muslim beheaders are doing it for necessarily religious reasons, either.
Uh, John the Baptist was the Beheadee, the French Revolution had nothing to do with religion and..."I don't think the Muslim beheaders are doing it for necessarily religious reasons, either"
Huh?
| 632 |
Oh no...Sand People! Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:42pm |
Wait! At least the chick holding the 'Change it back' sign is marginally attractive...
| 634 |
Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:49:15pm |
Paxton lists a whole bunch of motivating factors which, if present, would tend to cause the masses to accept fascism.
Among these are a sense of victimhood and a sense of overwhelming crisis.
One could easily argue that these factors, and others, are much more important predictors than whether one is from the left or the right.
| 635 |
Sean Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:54pm |
Yup. I'm so proud to be associated with these idiots.
I re-post a serious question:
What can we do to construct a better way to fight bad policy and even more frighteningly bad legislation?
| 636 |
Spare O'Lake Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:56:30pm |
re: #627 iceweasel
I'm not actually seeing any bs debating techniques here except by the defender of Goldberg.
Gee, I'm so surprised.
Calling someone an idiot because they haven't read a particular book is a bs debating technique. BTW Paxton's 300+ page Anatomy of Fascism was published in 2004, so how surprising would it be for most lizards not to have read it. It was certainly not on my university reading list.
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Coracle Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:06:08pm |
re: #636 Spare O'Lake
Gee, I'm so surprised.
Calling someone an idiot because they haven't read a particular book is a bs debating technique. BTW Paxton's 300+ page Anatomy of Fascism was published in 2004, so how surprising would it be for most lizards not to have read it. It was certainly not on my university reading list.
Someone interested enough to read Liberal Fascism (published in 2008) might easily have had the time and interest to have read a definitive work published 4 years earlier. One could arguably replace the word "might" above with "should", as well.
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Sharmuta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:08:56pm |
re: #637 Coracle
Someone interested enough to read Liberal Fascism (published in 2008) might easily have had the time and interest to have read a definitive work published 4 years earlier. One could arguably replace the word "might" above with "should", as well.
I did read Liberal Fascism and discovered Paxton's work because Goldberg cited it. I then went on to read Paxton and came to understand how full of crap Goldberg is.
| 641 |
Eclectic Infidel Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:05:29pm |
My my. These right-wingers knuckle-scrapers have much in common with the anti-Israel kooks I've seen at demonstrations in San Francisco - with respect to the [outrageously offensive & irrational] signs. Different targets of prejudice, but with the same theme in mind.
Anyway, in other local SF Bay Area News - our (SF Voice 4 Israel) presence at the Solano Street Stroll was a success. Many supporters stopped by and thanked us, we got some donations, signed a few up for our email events list, and only had to deal with a couple of anti-Israel jerks - one was just full of hatred and the other was grotesquely ignorant. But one has to expect that.
| 642 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:31:45pm |
re: #572 Charles
I won't argue this "Nazis were leftists" talking point any more. It's utterly false.
But it's become an article of faith for a lot of far right wingers, and it's impossible to convince them otherwise.
This is one of those that also pisses me off endlessly. Nothing like shamelessly distorting the history of evil to suit your petty talking points...
Yeah, very classy.
How about we just call it what it is?
To use the nazis are leftists theme, is not only ignorant, stupid and devoid of any knowledge of actual history, but it demonstrates that the suffering of the dead and the sacrifices of our soldiers are not due any honor or reverence in the face of trying to make the most cheap and pathetic talking points.
People who do this shit piss me off.
I occasionally berate my fellow Jews for being the sort to bring up the Holocaust at any opportunity. I usually start by pointing out that they have never, thank -G-d, met a real nazi, and that they are disrespecting our dead by daring to assume that they died so that some spoiled American can make a cheap point in some debate.
So how much more pissed off am I when I see dumb ass rednecks doing it?
These people need to be slapped.
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Hermosa Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:44:33pm |
It's good totalitarian politics are resisted everywhere ... even here in the US.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:49:52pm |
re: #643 Hermosa
It's good totalitarian politics are resisted everywhere ... even here in the US.
I take it you're not down with the Tea Parties, then?
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harpsicon Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:59:44pm |
re: #490 iceweasel
These links lead directly to the farthest left explanations for everything.
If you like the freedom of speech on this site, you probably wouldn't like the lack of said freedom under the speech codes on many campuses where the likes of Berube, and others directly linked from your links, hold sway.
The facile explanations offered on your links avoid the obvious connections and similarities between the communists and fascists once they gained power. Their programs and organizations were unbelievably similar, even though they're supposed to be exact opposites. Hitler actually killed a lot fewer than Stalin or Mao, or even Pol Pot (on a percentage basis, and of course he killed everyone with any education at all; Cambodian culture exists at this point only due to expats and some folk elements that managed to survive).
Hayek dedicated The Road to Serfdom to "Socialists of all parties", and pointed out that one of the most embarrassing things about leftist refugees from Hitler, for other socialists, was that so many of them had a tendency to say things Hitler might have said. He also pointed out that most of the socialists in Germany stayed when Hitler took power. And of course he pointed out how many people of the "progressive" sort in FDR's administration were talking about programs in Italy, Germany, and Russia, and even making tours to see them in action, and to learn from them.
In America, for reasons having a lot to do with left-wing press influence, Stalin, Mao, etc. have nowhere near the resonance with evil that Hitler does. Only Khrushchev came close for a moment, when he banged his shoe at the UN. Duranty covered up for Stalin at the NYT for a long time, and in the 60's Mao's Cultural Revolution was whitewashed in the Western press. Always there was this trope that these guys may have gotten things wrong, but their hearts really were in the right place, no matter how bad things were, because they were for egalitarian socialism.
It never occurred to the people wishing for this just how wrong they might be.
That INEVITABLY the kind of Statist planning that goes along with serious government control tends to wind up totalitarian. Hayek's point is that the very nicest, best, people failed to face up to how their ideals had not been corrupted, but rather were wrong to begin with - and would inevitably lead to serfdom.
Stalin's camps were like Hitler's, although he hadn't gotten around to the Jews - but he was on his way with the Doctor's Plot when he died, and might well have followed Hitler exactly, had he not died just then. He had already exterminated most of the Gypsies, just as Hitler did.
So in America, now, there is really only a single epitome of the Statist horror, and that is Hitler. Connecting Obama with these other extreme Statists may be a stretch, but connecting his intellectual friends like Ayers and Dohrn is easy. I met a lot of them in the 60s; they were not friendly to "bourgeois" democracy then, nor are they, I suspect, now. I see no change in them. Marxism died everywhere else in the world from practical experience, but of course it goes on full steam in the American university system and in the foundation world, where admin jobs pay poorly, but have a lot of power to disburse money - the perfect combination for a young university idealist, and there are many. (What exactly did Ayers and Obama do with the $100M from Annenberg?)
People say Obama is really a centrist, is having to tack to the center, and a lot of other stuff which I hope is not wishful thinking. As a mental exercise, however, assume that Obama is in fact trying to subvert American democracy in order to institute the kind of system Ayers and Co. have been dreaming of all their lives. You find a lot of evidence. Doubling down his bet on the health care take-over, which is pure Statism, instead of reaching across the aisle for compromise, is yet more evidence.
Which is it? Do we know? Serfdom?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:00:56pm |
re: #646 harpsicon
I have neither the time or the energy to try to debunk anyone who thinks that Kruschev got worse press in the US than Stalin.
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harpsicon Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:06:44pm |
re: #647 LudwigVanQuixote
I have neither the time or the energy to try to debunk anyone who thinks that Kruschev got worse press in the US than Stalin.
Really? "Uncle Joe" was our friend for a long time, even forgetting about Duranty for the moment.
When was Khrushchev ever our friend??
| 649 |
avspatti Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:07:28pm |
How about some pics of decent and clever posters of which I am sure there were many more than the ones shown above?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:14:09pm |
re: #648 harpsicon
We were only positive to him during World War II. Stalin was often called a tyrant and a murderer here. Khrushchev was never thought of as friend, but his did not get the same level of condemnation because his sins were far lesser.
| 651 |
orfannkyl Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:26am |
They really have to stop carrying those stupid, stupid signs
| 652 |
Rima Mon, Sep 14, 2009 12:09:35pm |
Re: #550 and #553
Tell me we don't have public (government) control over the use and disposal of private property: taxes on your earned income, social security, control of industry - banking, auto industry, broadcasting and news media, education, energy, and still to come, medicine and health insurance - and then tell me this is not a fascist government. It has been for a very long time, no matter who is in power. Obama is just the one who understands the ideology to the fullest.
| 655 |
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
