Robert Stacy McCain’s Angry Departure From the Washington Times

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The page isn’t live any more, but Google still has a cached copy of a revealing story about racist blogger Robert Stacy McCain, and his angry departure from the staff of the Washington Times: GEORGE ARCHIBALD: BREAKUP AT THE WASHINGTON TIMES?

FishbowlDC, an Internet Web site of MediaBistro, reported on August 22, 2007, a huge blow-up in the newsroom at The Washington Times involving bad-tempered white supremacist assistant national editor Robert Stacy McCain and fellow editor Victor Morton, an orthodox Catholic – with McCain angrily resigning and slamming his way out of the building through side-doors where he always went every 20 minutes to smoke a cigarette.

I have confirmed the details of FishbowlDC’s account through several Washington Times newsroom sources who I trust and with whom I worked for many years. These sources witnessed the ugly blow-up.

I know Stacy McCain, an ill-tempered racist who sat on the other side of my desk for many years and carried on loud telephone conversations almost every day full of racist and ultra-right comments, and often got into loud verbal fights with both reporters and editors in the newsroom.

I also knew Victor Morton for many years, hard-working night editor whose editorial skills in juggling copy and myriad incoming stories at once on deadline were marvelous and unquestioned.

In more than 21 years as a national news and investigative reporter at The Washington Times, Victor Morton was among the best and most capable editors I ever worked with on deadline –- which is crunch-time as stories are finally coming together and the paper is being made up decisions on page-placement, photos, graphics, and headlines.

Stacy McCain, on the other hand, who has run the Page A2 Culture page for The Washington Times for many years under national editor Kenneth Hanner and Managing Editor Francis B. Coombs Jr., is a friend of neo-Nazis such as William A. White of Roanoke, Virginia, and had the favor of Coombs and his wife Marian Kester Coombs, who in her own right has a long-reported history of white-supremacist writings.

Fran Coombs and Stacy McCain for many years have ridden roughshod over newsroom colleagues of all ethnic and other backgrounds at The Washington Times with their explosive and vitrioloic racist white-supremacist tirades on a frequent basis.

Coombs, the newspaper’s managing editor and presumptive heir-apparent to Wesley Pruden Jr. as editor-in-chief of The Washington Times has always supported McCain –- even when he wrote blog messages on the Internet that were patently racist, anti-black and anti-Jew.

The neo-Nazi mentioned above, William White, is the person who emailed me threats, tried to find my home address and the addresses of my family to post them on the web, and is currently charged with threatening several other people in the same way.

Here’s more on McCain’s connection to neo-Nazi Bill White: EXCLUSIVE: PITTS HARASSER LINKED TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES.

June 21, 2007, 9:30 a.m. - A white supremacist, responsible for the ongoing harassment of Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Leonard Pitts, claims to be good friends with top level staffers at The Washington Times, and has been published numerous times by the publication.

The nationally syndicated Miami Herald columnist has received hostile emails and phone calls at his home in Maryland, as a result of Bill White’s white supremacist-focused Web site Overthrow.com publishing his private information.

“[Robert] Stacy McCain is a pretty good friend of mine, Francis Coombs is a big fan of our website,” White wrote on his Web site in 2005.

Coombs is the managing editor of The Times and thought to be the hand-picked successor for the top job, should his boss Editor-in-Chief Wesley Pruden resign. McCain is an assistant national editor at The Times.

Coombs’ secretary told Redding News Review that he does not know White.

McCain, who has been linked to a pro-slavery group in the past, admits to knowing White.

“I first encountered Bill White who was, at that time, head of something called the Utopian Anarchist Party. He later, I believe, changed the name of his group to the Libertarian Socialist Party,” McCain wrote in an emailed response. “In the past few years, Bill has associated himself with neo-Nazism. I have no explanation for this bizarre turn, except as a continuation of his tendency toward radicalism.

”The ‘link’ you assert is non-existent, and is irrelevant to anything happening in 2007“ to Pitts, McCain wrote in an another emailed response. ”That kind of thing is completely wrong. Opinion journalism should be provocative, and provocative opinions will necessarily generate strong disagreement, but disagreeing with someone’s opinion should not lead to death threats, slurs, etc.“

What’s more, White has also claimed to know Coombs’ wife, Marian Kester, who has also been tagged a racist in the past.

”I once suggested to Mrs[.] Coombs that the Washington Times should more virulently criticize the Zionist Entity,“ he wrote in 2005, ”and she told me that several Jewish columnists — Charles Krauthammer, Norman Podhoretz and AM Rosenthal, among others — had threatened the Moonie organization if they ever took an anti-Zionist stance.“

A Redding News Review investigation confirms that White has written numerous letters published in The Times.

According to his own blog, his writings have appeared in The Times on ”Page A2“, a section McCain is responsible for, at least four times:

1. ”Insanity Factories“, Washington Times, Page A2 March 9, 2000
2. ”Southern Pride“, Washington Times, Page A2 June 13, 2000
3. ”Hate, hate, hate“, Washington Times, Page A2 June 26, 2000
4. ”Musical Nihilism“, Washington Times, Page A2 June 27, 2000

Here’s more about Robert Stacy McCain’s racist writings.

UPDATE at 9/13/09 10:24:42 pm:

More on Robert Stacy McCain’s connections to Bill White, who he met at a conference of the white supremacist group American Renaissance: The Misanthrope.

After about six months, White left the Pravda job. He was growing closer and closer to the leaders of the radical right, as shown by his attendance at the 2002 conference of American Renaissance, a white supremacist journal. While there, he met a reporter for the far-right Washington Times, Robert Stacy McCain. Before long, White was being quoted in the Times, including in a story on an “alternative currency” issued by extremists. Described as “a Web development consultant for political and corporate clients,” White gushed on about the dubious notes.

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1 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:09:21pm

As I recall Bill White is serving time. Correct?

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:09:39pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

As I recall Bill White is serving time. Correct?

No, he's actually free on bond right now.

3 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:10:02pm

More on the WT and their connections to white supremacism, etc:

Hell of a Times

Both Coombs and Pruden, meanwhile, are facing a litany of complaints from former and current colleagues of racism and sexual harassment. More than a dozen well-placed sources spoke to The Nation. Many wished to remain anonymous, for fear of jeopardizing their jobs. Others spoke on the record. But the sources are consistent about the atmosphere Pruden and Coombs have fostered inside the paper, which they describe as profoundly demeaning and abusive to women and minorities. Preston Moon has hired the powerhouse Washington law firm Nixon Peabody to interview Times staffers about the allegations of racism and sexism.

SPLC report from Spring 2005:

The News That Fits
Long criticized for its brand of journalism, The Washington Times makes a habit of publishing the work of extremists — including the wife of the newspaper's managing editor

Media Matters in 2005 busting them for using VDARE as a source:

Wash. Times promotes "white nationalist" website

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:10:22pm

re: #2 Charles

Ah.
Lovely.
/

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:10:53pm

Correction -- still in jail, but the judge ruled he could be freed on bond. Prosecutors have appealed.

6 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:11:30pm

The SPLC has more:

After about six months, White left the Pravda job. He was growing closer and closer to the leaders of the radical right, as shown by his attendance at the 2002 conference of American Renaissance, a white supremacist journal. While there, he met a reporter for the far-right Washington Times, Robert Stacy McCain. Before long, White was being quoted in the Times, including in a story on an "alternative currency" issued by extremists. Described as "a Web development consultant for political and corporate clients," White gushed on about the dubious notes.

More on American Renaissance

7 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:11:44pm

Why would the Washington Times keep a guy like McCain around for so long?

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:12:02pm

re: #7 HelloDare

Why would the Washington Times keep a guy like McCain around for so long?

Take a guess.

9 MysticSmoke (from finger tips)  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:12:06pm

Wow, you called it!

10 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:12:34pm

re: #8 Charles

Take a guess.

The "Southern Strategy" of making money. Something like that.

11 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:13:15pm

re: #10 Gus 802

I'd say that's a "bingo".

12 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:13:30pm

More from that SPLC report I linked in 3:

The same day, Winter ousted four contributors to Human Events whose background was provided by the Report: Wayne Lutton and Peter Gemma, both members of the racist Council of Conservative Citizens; Marian Kester Coombs; and Robert Stacy McCain, a key Washington Times editor who has suggested that "perfectly rational people" react with "altogether natural revulsion" to interracial marriage.

In its 60-year history, Winter told the Report, Human Events had never "knowingly hired a racist, never published racist articles, and never tolerated racist sympathies ... and we never will." Within hours, archives of articles by Coombs, McCain and the others had disappeared from the Human Events Web site.

But McCain still works at The Washington Times, where his articles run under headlines like "Backlash Building in White America." Under the direction of Fran Coombs and National Editor Ken Hanner, in fact, McCain puts together the paper's page-two "Culture Briefs" section.

In that section, McCain has used excerpts from racist venues including American Renaissance magazine and the VDARE Web site. (For her part, Coombs has written articles for VDARE and once wrote to American Renaissance with this: "Whites do not like crowded societies, and Americans would not have to live in crowds if our government kept out Third-World invaders.")

In fact, McCain may be the only mainstream newspaper reporter to have covered four American Renaissance conferences. Twice, he offered no description of the group, which is devoted to race science. Once, he said it was "critical of liberal positions on race and immigration." Only in 2004 did he note that some viewed it as racist.

McCain, who declined all comment, has also been identified by the League of the South hate group, for whom he occasionally writes, as a member.

Despite his well-known sympathies, McCain has written in the Times about the "pro-South" groups he favors. Last June 27, for instance, he penned an extremely long front-page article headlined "Southern Pride Rallies 'Round the Flag." He was talking about the Confederate battle flag.

And this is the guy the moronosphere is going to bat for.

13 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:13:46pm

So given this, why exactly was this punk employed at the Times longer than a heartbeat?

Not knowing the politics of who he had the favor of, could someone explain how he kept his job, or if the powers that be there consider this guy ok and did for years, why I should trust the Times to tell me that 2+2 =4 ?

14 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:14:13pm

re: #7 HelloDare

Why would the Washington Times keep a guy like McCain around for so long?

The Washington Times

The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet newspaper published in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. It was founded in 1982 by Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon and is subsidized by the Unification Church community. The Times is known for its conservative stance on political and social issues.

It's owned by a cult.

15 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:14:41pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I'd say that's a "bingo".

Right. And now he's the new darling of the "conservative" blogosphere. All I can say to them is good luck with that.

This means that Pajamas Media is effectively endorsing the ideology of RSM.

16 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #7 HelloDare

Why would the Washington Times keep a guy like McCain around for so long?

Read the SPLC report. Because the Times is filled with white nationalists and racists at the highest level.

17 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:15:43pm

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

why I should trust the Times to tell me that 2+2 =4 ?

The answer is, you shouldn't. Far right, liars, racists.

18 Gitarzan  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:15:46pm

RSM, White, and their fellow travelers can just all go get f**ked...

19 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:17:11pm

Even if you believe in everything McCain does, you don't keep a noisy racist around who berates your staff. Seems to me you'd want to hire polite, charming racists. The world is full of them.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:17:20pm

re: #16 iceweasel

Read the SPLC report. Because the Times is filled with white nationalists and racists at the highest level.

Or it was. They've cleaned up a good bit, and are starting to become a decent paper. Still, they've got plenty to answer for, having had Robert Stacy Goebbels on staff for so long.

21 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:17:25pm
The Washington Times was founded by Unification Church leader Sun Myung Moon in 1982.. Bo Hi Pak, Moon's chief aide, was the founding president and the founding chairman of the board. In 1996 Moon discussed his reasons for founding the Times in an address to a Unification Church leadership conference, saying "That is why Father has been combining and organizing scholars from all over the world, and also newspaper organizations, in order to make propaganda." In 2002 Moon, who has said that he is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ and is fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission, said: "The Washington Times is responsible to let the American people know about God." and "The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

22 Aye Pod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:18:45pm

re: #16 iceweasel

Read the SPLC report. Because the Times is filled with white nationalists and racists at the highest level.

On this evidence, it looks like a real cesspit.

23 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:19:32pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Right. And now he's the new darling of the "conservative" blogosphere. All I can say to them is good luck with that.

This means that Pajamas Media is effectively endorsing the ideology of RSM.

Yes it is...

Again, why would this be happening if not for fear of losing white America as they see it?

I really hate these guys.

The best thing that can be said about this is that economy does not look like it will tank and that the craziness will likely be contained for the foreseeable future.

I just pray it does not lead to violence.

Here is the other side of it...

If some tea party white fascist were, G-d forbid, to harm the president, this nation will erupt.

What we need is a center right party to reign in some of the Dems more unworkable ideas and actually promote reasonable discourse.

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:19:51pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

Also connected to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University...
Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church and the Washington Times, helped to financially stabilize the University through two of his organizations: News World Communications, which provided a $400,000 loan to the University at 6% interest; and the Women's Federation for World Peace, which indirectly contributed $3.5 million toward the school's debt
...
Ron Godwin, now Vice Chancellor at Liberty University, was previously employed under Rev. Moon as Vice President of the Washington Times.[

25 Gitarzan  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:20:02pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Or it was. They've cleaned up a good bit, and are starting to become a decent paper. Still, they've got plenty to answer for, having had Robert Stacy Goebbels on staff for so long.

Some of it could possibly be chalked up to institutional inertia, but I'm sure that part of the reason RSM stayed on until he quit was because his higher-ups (in part) agreed with him.

26 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:22:10pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote


This is all pretty spooky but it could be an interesting glimpse of the future of conservatism.

27 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:22:24pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep. Frankly most of them are a bunch of anti-science Luddites. Recently they've gone over to the dark side and taken on a tone of sheer Obama derangement that can't even be compared to Bush's or Clinton's criticism. They along with Fox News have taken on an unseemly tactic that can only be described as the Southern Strategy.

28 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:23:00pm

Whenever I hear the name Bill White, I can't help picturing the black baseball player / announcer of the same name who called Yankee games with Phil Rizzuto. As I remember, Scooter referred to Bill White as "Whitey" on one occasion.

29 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:23:36pm

I knew the paper was funded by Moon. I knew it was on the right. That's about all I knew about it.

30 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:23:56pm

re: #28 Pianobuff

Whenever I hear the name Bill White, I can't help picturing the black baseball player / announcer of the same name who called Yankee games with Phil Rizzuto. As I remember, Scooter referred to Bill White as "Whitey" on more than one occasion.

fixed

31 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:24:32pm

more on McCain, including the user name he posts under at Free Republic. Who wants to go dumpster diving there and find some of his posts?

So, let’s take a look at the views and not-so-hidden agenda of one of the actual editors of the paper, specifically, assistant national editor Robert Stacy McCain, who has a habit of posting commentary on message boards and elsewhere around the Internet:

"[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us."

Yes, you read that right: a "natural revulsion" and "THIS IS NOT RACISM."

That was posted by Robert Stacy McCain (who has contributed to New York Press in the past) on a website called Reclaiming the South. The Washington Times editor posts a lot on the right-wing FreeRepublic.com as well, using an assumed name (BurkeCalhounDabney) but often linking back to his personal website, where there are photos of him and the rest of his large family of Seventh Day Adventists (and which identifies him by his real name and as a Washington Times editor). Editor McCain, who hails from Rome, GA, is one of those Confederate types who still hasn’t gotten over the Civil War and is trying to get the South to secede. He’s a member of a Southern secessionist organization called League of the South. Here’s a quote from that group’s leader, Michael Hill:

"The day of Southern guilt is over–THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT–and let us not forget that salient fact. NO APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY should be made. In both the Old and New Testaments slavery is sanctioned and regulated according to God’s word. Thus, when practiced in accord with Holy Scripture, it is NOT A SIN. Our ancestors were not evil men because they held slaves. This issue is our Achilles Heel, and the only way to deal with it is to confront our accusers boldly and without guilt. After all, what we are really upholding is GOD’S WORD. Let us fear Him, and we’ll fear no man."

Perhaps attempting (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) to distance himself just a bit from this repugnant and totally kooky extremist stuff, McCain has written, in a piece he posted on the Web titled "Down On Dixie: The Confederate Cause and the South’s Scalawag Press," that "We may never all agree that The South Was Right!...but the least we owe our ancestors is a fair hearing and a balanced portrayal to our readers."

[Link: www.nypress.com...]

32 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:25:30pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

This is all pretty spooky but it could be an interesting glimpse of the future of conservatism.

Yes it could, and that future is playing on the darkest threads in American history. Nothing, absolutely nothing, good can come of it.

This is not a genie we want out of the bottle.

33 Gitarzan  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:28:00pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes it could, and that future is playing on the darkest threads in American history. Nothing, absolutely nothing, good can come of it.

This is not a genie we want out of the bottle.

No shit...

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:28:01pm

re: #31 iceweasel

more on McCain, including the user name he posts under at Free Republic. Who wants to go dumpster diving there and find some of his posts?

[Link: www.nypress.com...]

And he even defended slavery? Dear God in Heaven, how could any person support him?

Still, I can say with some pride that views like his have been defeated before and will be again. The Union lost hundreds of thousands defeated those vile positions, but they were defeated.

35 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:28:33pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Yep. Frankly most of them are a bunch of anti-science Luddites. Recently they've gone over to the dark side and taken on a tone of sheer Obama derangement that can't even be compared to Bush's or Clinton's criticism. They along with Fox News have taken on an unseemly tactic that can only be described as the Southern Strategy.

Let's not forget that Bill and Hillary were accused of being involved in Vince Foster's death. And drug smuggling and I forget what else.

36 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:28:35pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Or it was. They've cleaned up a good bit, and are starting to become a decent paper. Still, they've got plenty to answer for, having had Robert Stacy Goebbels on staff for so long.

I know they've been cleaning house, but the history of outright lies there continues. Charles has exposed some recently.

If I read anything in the WT, I can't believe it unless I have another source, a reputable one. And their history means I have to fact check everything. Approach with caution, is all.

37 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:28:59pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes it could, and that future is playing on the darkest threads in American history. Nothing, absolutely nothing, good can come of it.

This is not a genie we want out of the bottle.

Quite Concur. The only wish that genie would grant would be civil war.

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:29:10pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm still really fuzzy on why the Moonies are involved in conservative politics, the Wash Times, and Jerry Falwell's university. I thought is might be a Birch Society thing but a google search doesn't turn up much evidence. Strange.

39 Bagua  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:29:29pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote


If some tea party white fascist were, G-d forbid, to harm the president, this nation will erupt.

Yes, and thank God the Secret Service is able to protect our President with tremendous professionalism and competence that makes such a horrendous occurrence unlikely.

I know that we both agree that the nation erupting is not the primary reason why such an occurrence is unbearable to contemplate.

40 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:29:56pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

And he even defended slavery? Dear God in Heaven, how could any person support him?

Still, I can say with some pride that views like his have been defeated before and will be again. The Union lost hundreds of thousands defeated those vile positions, but they were defeated.

He also called Lincoln a war criminal.

McCain, an editor and sometimes commentator at a paper that the gay Andrew Sullivan, the African-American Thomas Sowell and other right-leaning members of minority groups are only too happy to write columns for and take cash from, believes that Abraham Lincoln was a "war criminal" who should have been tried for "treason." (His reasoning, he writes, is that Lincoln and the Northerners were the true racists; something tells me–actually, studying his other comments and affiliations is what tells me–that that is not the real reason at all.)

In his Web postings McCain has stated that Harvard president Lawrence Summers should be "persecuted and run out of town" for supporting gay rights. He also believes that the civil rights movement directly resulted in "black criminality" because people were encouraged to break the law by getting arrested at demonstrations!

This is from the nypress article I linked upthread.

41 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:30:17pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote


This is not a genie we want out of the bottle.

I do not believe that this country as a whole will embrace the likes of RSMcCain.

What is happening, it seems, is that the "Southern Strategy" is finally coming to some sort of climax.

There is, I believe, enough latent racism and bigotry in the this country (like most nations) for the likes of RSM to cause quite a stir. In the end they will fail, yet the greatest casualty could well be the GOP.

42 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:31:05pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Anti-communists.

43 Bagua  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:31:21pm

re: #41 freetoken

Sorry, what does RSM stand for?

44 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:31:32pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I'm still really fuzzy on why the Moonies are involved in conservative politics, the Wash Times, and Jerry Falwell's university. I thought is might be a Birch Society thing but a google search doesn't turn up much evidence. Strange.

My guess is that they figure that the socons will be accepting of the Moonie cult, so long as they claim to be Christian, which they do, and give any nefarious activities into which they might enter a look-away pass.

45 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:31:51pm

re: #43 Bagua

The subject of this thread.

46 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:31:56pm

re: #41 freetoken

I do not believe that this country as a whole will embrace the likes of RSMcCain.

What is happening, it seems, is that the "Southern Strategy" is finally coming to some sort of climax.

There is, I believe, enough latent racism and bigotry in the this country (like most nations) for the likes of RSM to cause quite a stir. In the end they will fail, yet the greatest casualty could well be the GOP.

That's exactly what I think, FT. I am certain the better angels of our natures will prevail, but I'm a bit afraid of the ugly convulsions we'll go through first.

47 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:32:05pm

re: #39 Bagua

Yes, and thank God the Secret Service is able to protect our President with tremendous professionalism and competence that makes such a horrendous occurrence unlikely.

I know that we both agree that the nation erupting is not the primary reason why such an occurrence is unbearable to contemplate.

Of course to both.

48 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:32:32pm

G'night all!

49 Bagua  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:32:36pm

re: #45 freetoken

The subject of this thread.

Ouch! (Slaps head in shame)

50 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:32:37pm

Wanna bet this guy is tight with Buchannon?

51 Gitarzan  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:33:06pm

re: #50 BigPapa

Wanna bet this guy is tight with Buchannon?

Wouldn't surprise me...

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:33:34pm

re: #40 iceweasel

This is from the nypress article I linked upthread.

Robert Stacy McCain stands in opposition to all I hold dear. He hates all that Lincoln honored and seeks to instate a society of bigotry and hate. He is a vile flaming bag of horseshit.

53 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:34:40pm

It was the Washington Times that first floated the euthanasia talking point- just weeks after the election! From the NYT:

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, in an outlet with opinion pages decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

In an editorial, the newspaper reminded its readers of the Aktion T4 program of Nazi Germany in which “children and adults with disabilities, and anyone anywhere in the Third Reich was subject to execution who was blind, deaf, senile, retarded, or had any significant neurological condition.”

54 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:34:51pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

And yet he is being embraced by "conservatives", e.g., Stephen Green (who is part of this tug of war with LGF.)

55 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:34:52pm

re: #50 BigPapa

Wanna bet this guy is tight with Buchannon?

He definitely is. Often posts links to Buchanan's articles, and he writes for Buchanan's American Conservative magazine.

56 Bagua  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:34:52pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course to both.

Yes of course, the reason I do point this out is that I have often heard this argument advanced, as though it is only a bad thing because there would be riots.

57 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:35:38pm

I really think one of us ought to go digging for his comments on Free Republic. user name: (BurkeCalhounDabney)
I'm sure there will be a goldmine there. Might be fun and help embarrass the hell out of all the wingnuts supporting him over charles, and denying that this guy is a racist with ties to white supremacists.

I'd do it, but I hate FR and I'm about to eat, so...don't want to lose my appetite just yet.

58 HelloDare  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:37:11pm

re: #55 Charles

He definitely is. Often posts links to Buchanan's articles, and he writes for Buchanan's American Conservative magazine.

Drives me nuts when that puke Buchanan's trotted out as a conservative spokesperson.

59 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:37:28pm

re: #57 iceweasel

I really think one of us ought to go digging for his comments on Free Republic. user name: (BurkeCalhounDabney)
I'm sure there will be a goldmine there. Might be fun and help embarrass the hell out of all the wingnuts supporting him over charles, and denying that this guy is a racist with ties to white supremacists.

I'd do it, but I hate FR and I'm about to eat, so...don't want to lose my appetite just yet.

[Link: 74.125.93.132...]

60 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:39:18pm

re: #59 Gus 802

[Link: 74.125.93.132...]

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

61 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:39:20pm

re: #55 Charles

He definitely is. Often posts links to Buchanan's articles, and he writes for Buchanan's American Conservative magazine.

But to be fair, AmCon does publish work by non-wingnuts and even liberals-- Glenn Greenwald in November, i think, and they publish Daniel Larison's Eunomia, -- one of the only conservatives I enjoy reading, and definitely not a racist.

Buchanan of course is scum, and I certainly don't dispute the RSM/Buchanan connection.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:39:53pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

Someone is trying to cover their tracks.

63 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:40:23pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

Were they? I didn't look and just posted the link. Was in the middle of searching other things. Are they recoverable through Internet Archive?

64 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:42:03pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

There was a big purge of neo-nazis and open racists at FR about 4 years ago. This could be part of it.

65 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:42:07pm

Googling "Bill White" + "Robert Stacy McCain"...

LGF is now the first result.

66 Gitarzan  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:42:36pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

His personal AT&T page is still up, yet a bit dated (the last essay was put up last July)...

[Link: home.att.net...]

67 Aye Pod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:43:27pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

There are two comments left by him on the thread about the 'rapture' based "Left Behind" series of books. Everything else seems to have been flushed.

68 NukeAtomrod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:43:40pm

Good night all.

69 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:44:02pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

Here's one:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:44:08pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Were they? I didn't look and just posted the link. Was in the middle of searching other things. Are they recoverable through Internet Archive?

Here's one: California's "White Out" (my title)

71 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:44:18pm

That's an Internet Archive link.

72 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:44:58pm

re: #70 Charles

Here's one: California's "White Out" (my title)

Wow, we both found the same ones at the same time and used the same words!

Spooky!

73 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:45:59pm

Just took a tour of the 'net courtesy of Google... wrt RSM, LGF, etc... and there is some serious denial out there. When I see RSM described as "the always respectable" all I can conclude is that consciences have been seared.

74 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:46:17pm

In the list of McCain's articles at FR, there's a link to American Renaissance (a blatant hate site) and one to Bill White's neo-Nazi site Overthrow.com.

75 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:46:37pm

Google has a book on Rev. Moon that discusses RS McCain, Bill White, and if you scroll down you can see McCain also used J. Philippe Rushton, head of the racist Pioneer Fund, as a source.

Bad Moon Rising

76 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:47:12pm

Here they are:

Slavery Reparations Debate
May 24, 2001 7:07:16 AM PDT · by BurkeCalhounDabney · 3+ views
American Renaissance ^ %P% May 24, 2001

Independent Challenges Maryland GOP on Gun Rights (my title)
May 18, 2001 10:11:49 AM PDT · by BurkeCalhounDabney · 7+ views
Overthrow.com ^ %P% May 18, 2001 %P% Bill White

77 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:48:10pm
Who's talking about fighting anyone? I merely provided some interesting documentation of the decline of "non-Hispanic whties" (call them what you will) in California, and jokingly asked what the cause was.

Being a descendant of British Protestants, I am of course offended by the barbaric influence of such non-WASPs as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Mikulski, but then again, such WASPs as Jeffords, Rodham, Gore and Clinton haven't exactly been on the side of the angels. I'd prefer any number of South Florida Cuban-Americans as allies over such Commie-kissing WASP RINOs as Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

9 Posted on 06/04/2001 20:28:32 PDT by BurkeCalhounDabney
[ Reply %P% Private Reply %P% To 6 %P% Top %P% Last ]

78 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:51:13pm

There are several links to the neo-Nazi site Overthrow.com in the list of articles posted by McCain. Here's another:

Communist Teachers Using Classroom Time To Recruit
April 8, 2001 3:56:37 PM PDT · by BurkeCalhounDabney · 13+ views
LSN/Overthrow.com ^ %P% April 7, 2001 %P% LSN Staff

Communist Teachers Using Classroom Time To Recruit As If You Needed A Reason To Be Against Public Schooling 4/7/01 3:50:23 PM LSN Staff New York, NY -- Members of the radical communist Progressive Labor Party who teach in New York's and Chicago's Public Schools have been using classroom time to recruit students into the organization and sell students Communist newspapers. Moises Bernal and Carol Caref, members of the PLP, were recently fired from their jobs at Chicago Vocational Career Academy after it was discovered they were using their position to take their classes on "field trips" to Communist rallies -- ...

79 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:51:29pm

re: #60 Charles

It looks as if all of his articles at Freak Republic have been deleted.

Ah, but we can still see what articles he found worth posting...

I just found a link to his personal website with all his essays and articles.

Here are some titles and descriptions:

Commies, Go Home! September 2001
For the Marxists, Trotskyists and Maoists who organize "peace" protests, it doesn't really matter what the issue is, the enemies are always the same: America and capitalism. (The Washington Times)

Commie Coeds vs. Corporate Capitalism April 2000
The mainstream media forgot to mention that, among the various groups protesting "globalism" and the WTO at A16 -- as organizers called the April 16, 2000 demonstrations in Washington, D.C. --were the Communist Party USA and other Marxist radical groups. (Previously unpublished)

Feminism and Freedom January 2000
Feminists ranting about "corporate America" promote claims eerily reminiscent of Kruschev-era Soviet propaganda. Is modern feminism just distaff Marxism? (Previously unpublished)

The Confederate Cause in the 21st Century May 2003
Some people desire to wish away the past, or to revise history to fit the passions and politics of the present. Forgetting seems to be the most popular course; surveys show that mere fractions of Americans today know even the most basic facts about the Civil War, or about any history at all, for that matter. If our fellow citizens are content to know anything about the war -- and most know next to nothing -- yet we must demand that what little Americans do know about the war must be true. (Speech to SCV Camp #822)

Is It a Hate Crime to Whistle 'Dixie'? Jan. 13, 2001
Not too many years ago, the Confederate flag was a symbol of regional pride -- and tourist kitsch. Why has it now come to be seen as an emblem of hatred that the NAACP condemns as "an odious blight upon the universe"?

Study Explores Race and Crime June 1, 1999
A study based on federal crime statistics shows that black-on-white violent crime does more damage to American race relations than do official "hate crimes."

Schools Use Mind Control Feb. 12, 1999
A former teacher documents how schools are now using psychological testing and manipulation to change children's beliefs -- and control their future. It's "the holy grail of social engineering," says author Beverly Eakman.


and a defence of George Wallace:

Wallace Altered U.S. Politics Sept. 15, 1998
History will remember George C. Wallace as a man who changed American politics. His populist presidential campaigns made opposition to expanding federal power a national issue.

Should I post the link? Dont want to send traffic to his personal site, but there could be some interesting stuff here...

80 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:52:53pm

By the way -- absolutely no one could ever look at Overthrow.com and have ANY doubt at all that it was a neo-Nazi site.

And the same goes for American Renaissance. The hate is right out in the open.

81 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:55:10pm

In 1998 McCain wrote an article titled "Whites Ponder Future of Their Race"

Search results found this:

Nearly 200 whites from around the country gathered over the past weekend in Northern Virginia to discuss their concerns about America's racial future. "We stand in defense of our people," Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance magazine, told the crowd Saturday at the Dulles Hilton.

"We owe it to our children, who must not become despised minorities in their own land." The two-day event was the third such conference organized by American Renaissance, an Oakton-based magazine critical of liberal positions on race and immigration that was founded in 1990 by Mr. Taylor.

Any more requires membership to article search sites. Sorry. Still- the above quote is ugly enough and also shows McCain has been attending American Renaissance events for quite some time.

82 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:55:24pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

Googling "Bill White" + "Robert Stacy McCain"...

LGF is now the first result.

Wow, that was fast.

83 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:57:35pm

re: #80 Charles

By the way -- absolutely no one could ever look at Overthrow.com and have ANY doubt at all that it was a neo-Nazi site.

And the same goes for American Renaissance. The hate is right out in the open.

The SPLC report mentioned that McCain has sympathetically covered 4 of their conferences for the WT...and oddly enough, never mentioned the kind of organisation they are.

84 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:58:47pm
85 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:59:31pm

re: #79 iceweasel

Should I post the link? Dont want to send traffic to his personal site, but there could be some interesting stuff here...

Go to Google and search for:

cache:[site URL]

That will give you a link to Google's cached copy.

86 freetoken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:00:26pm

re: #80 Charles

There is a whole lot of denial out there in the right-o-sphere. Stephen Green is a good example, but there are others. Since in the past Green has dissed Buchanan, let's hope he comes to his senses this time.

87 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:01:12pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

In 1998 McCain wrote an article titled "Whites Ponder Future of Their Race"

Search results found this:

Nearly 200 whites from around the country gathered over the past weekend in Northern Virginia to discuss their concerns about America's racial future. "We stand in defense of our people," Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance magazine, told the crowd Saturday at the Dulles Hilton.

"We owe it to our children, who must not become despised minorities in their own land." The two-day event was the third such conference organized by American Renaissance, an Oakton-based magazine critical of liberal positions on race and immigration that was founded in 1990 by Mr. Taylor.

Any more requires membership to article search sites. Sorry. Still- the above quote is ugly enough and also shows McCain has been attending American Renaissance events for quite some time.

Oh! The google book stated David Duke was at this event. Page 69

88 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:01:21pm

re: #84 Salamantis

[Link: www.nypress.com...]

[Link: dneiwert.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.fair.org...]

From your Neiwert link:

With the arrival of Assistant National Editor Robert Stacy McCain in 1997, the Times' disassociation from the racism of American Renaissance became a distant memory. McCain, who wrote the story about Democrats and Dixie, has covered the group's biannual conferences in 1998, 2000 and 2002, making the Times the only major American newspaper to devote news stories to American Renaissance. Since 1999, the Times has also reprinted at least six excerpts from American Renaissance in its page-2 culture section, never acknowledging the highly controversial nature of the source.

"Activist warns of border war," blared the headline for McCain's latest American Renaissance story on Feb. 25, 2002. McCain was covering an American Renaissance conference on immigration, and his opening paragraph was almost as sensational as the headline: "A border war between the United States and Mexico 'could happen any day,' a California activist warned at a weekend conference in Virginia."

All 572 words of the story either paraphrased or quoted this same "activist," Glenn Spencer, who runs the anti-immigration group, Voice of Citizens Together, which the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League officials have described as a hate group. Without questioning their factuality, McCain's story reported Spencer's assertions that Mexican leaders were conducting an "invasion" of the United States and that "I love Osama bin Laden" T-shirts were all the rage south of the border after 9/11. No opposing viewpoint was offered or even referenced.

Here's the complete ADL report on American Renaissance

89 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:02:45pm
his embrace of the much debunked racist tract The Bell Curve can be found here:

Theories of black intellectual inferiority, too, have popped up from the 1781 publication of Thomas Jefferson's "Notes on the State of Virginia" to "The
Bell Curve" in 1994 and beyond.

Theories? It is not a "theory" that the average IQ of U.S. blacks is about 85. Now, some have sought to develop theories as to the origins of this differential -- genetics, environment, culture, etc. -- but the reality of "intellectual inferiority" (as NYT phrases it) is not in dispute at all. The gap
between group averages is one of the most thoroughly demonstrated phenomena in psychometrics.

I hasten to add that differences in group averages are not predictive for any individual. If one compiles all the IQ tests, blacks average 15 points less than whites -- as a group. But there are many, many thousands of blacks of superior intellect, just as there are millions of below-average whites.

[Link: 74.6.239.67...]

90 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:03:22pm
his contempt for the Civil Rights movement and his linking of civil disobedience to "black criminality":

I am disturbed however, by Jackson's idea that "breaking white folks' rules" was somehow inherently just. Did not the white folks of DeKalb, Miss., also have laws against murder, rape, robbery? If rules were to be broken merely because they were work of white folks, then hasn't Jackson gone a long way toward explaining the explosion of black criminality that began in the 1960s?

This shows how the civil rights movement, to a great extent, represented a direct assault on tradition and law. It is all well and good for the liberal to say, "Well, some laws and traditions are unjust." But who is to say which laws are unjust? Was it not true that the civil rights revolution was an exercise in pure political power, and that every measure from Brown v. Board to the 1965 Voting Rights Act was merely a function of the national majority imposing its will? If a bare majority is sufficient to strike down the laws of 15 states, and this be called justice, why then should we complain when, in 1973, a 7-2 majority of the Supreme Court declared void the laws of 49 states restricting or prohibiting abortion?

[Link: 74.6.239.67...]

91 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:04:09pm

re: #89 Gus 802

Fascinating. I was just reading about The Bell Curve...

92 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:05:17pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

Fascinating. I was just reading about The Bell Curve...

Were you? That book made quite a "splash" when it came out.

93 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:05:22pm

re: #85 Charles

Go to Google and search for:

cache:[site URL]

That will give you a link to Google's cached copy.

Ok, my only issue was that the link is to the homepage which lists the essays, so the clickthrough brings traffic to the actual site.

---

Anyone wanting to read the essays they find here and not give RSM traffic should do the exact same thing to read the actual essay: google cache search on the URL:
cache link

Get in and get out while you can. I expect a lot of this to get scrubbed now. Also, if people visit the site and not the cache I bet we'd crash it, so -- another reason not to visit directly.

94 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:13:48pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Were you? That book made quite a "splash" when it came out.

More like a belly flop. Shocked to still see people promoting it, or claiming it 'hasn't been refuted'. Cover for their covert racism, IMO.

The American Psychological Association authored a task force report on it.

In any case, Charles Murray is not a psychologist and is a shill for AEI, a rightwing think tank. The Bell Curve was a sham intended to give cover to and push certain policy notions-- among them, the idea that mothers on welfare should not have children. Yes, really.

95 Aye Pod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:15:26pm

If the rightosphere is going to support RSM, they might as well get behind Fred Phelps while they are at it. I think we may be seeing the right score another monumental own goal here.

96 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:17:05pm

This has really kicked over a rat's nest of associations and murky networks.

For example, fired (for antisemitism) National Review editor Joseph Sobran has been a guest at American Renaissance conferences.

97 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:18:01pm

I just noticed the people contributing to this discussion. You may need to toss in a few token conservatives. :-) Don't call on me; I'm getting drowsy and am about on my way out for the night.

98 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:18:49pm

re: #97 Silvergirl

I just noticed the people contributing to this discussion. You may need to toss in a few token conservatives. :-) Don't call on me; I'm getting drowsy and am about on my way out for the night.

Excuse me- I'm a conservative.

99 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:25:06pm

I do LEARN something here, everyday. Sometimes, like today, it's not something I knew I wanted to know...but, knowledge is power, or so I am told. So, thank you for that.
Charles, stay safe from teh krazies.
And, don't forget to have fun! MmmmK?

100 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:28:14pm

re: #97 Silvergirl

I just noticed the people contributing to this discussion. You may need to toss in a few token conservatives. :-) Don't call on me; I'm getting drowsy and am about on my way out for the night.

We're just the nightshift, that's all. ;) And Sharm is a conservative, and a few others here too!
How are you, SG?

101 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:28:44pm
102 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:30:23pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

This has really kicked over a rat's nest of associations and murky networks.

For example, fired (for antisemitism) National Review editor Joseph Sobran has been a guest at American Renaissance conferences.

I did not know that! Thanks.

What's up with the whole wingnutsphere defending this guy? I don't get it. The left was onto him a year ago or more, sure, but just cursory googling would have revealed to them that he's nothing to defend. Hell, reading his own blog shows it.

103 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:31:45pm

re: #100 iceweasel

We're just the nightshift, that's all. ;) And Sharm is a conservative, and a few others here too!
How are you, SG?

I consider myself a centrist. That means I'm either trying to please everybody or on occasion I will make either the left or the right angry! Mostly wobble to left on social issues and to the right on taxes. Of course now I find myself embarrassed to by on the right side of the tax issue after what's been going on with the Tea Parties.

104 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:32:49pm

re: #98 Sharmuta

Excuse me- I'm a conservative.

You don't minimize the problem or influence of racists, fall for conspiracy theories, or believe quacks over scientists among other things, so you cant be a true conservative.

/need I?

105 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:39:10pm

re: #103 Gus 802

I consider myself a centrist. That means I'm either trying to please everybody or on occasion I will make either the left or the right angry! Mostly wobble to left on social issues and to the right on taxes. Of course now I find myself embarrassed to by on the right side of the tax issue after what's been going on with the Tea Parties.

Yes, that's what I thought...honestly, I think a lot of us have more in common than we might think. I'm hella left on social issues, but lots of us here would like to see fiscal conservatism, which neither party has had in a long time.
Also booting the theocons and the so-cons and the anti-intellectualism and the anti-science crowd. If we had a genuinely conservative party that did all those things, I might even vote for them.

106 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:39:12pm

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

I'm starting to wonder how many people have read Goldwater.

107 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:40:11pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

I'm starting to wonder how many people have read Goldwater.

Huh? He's some old god-hating pothead! He's not conservative!

/

108 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:43:24pm

re: #103 Gus 802

I consider myself a centrist. That means I'm either trying to please everybody or on occasion I will make either the left or the right angry! Mostly wobble to left on social issues and to the right on taxes. Of course now I find myself embarrassed to by on the right side of the tax issue after what's been going on with the Tea Parties.

Don't be embarrassed to be on the "right" when it comes to fiscal issues. The TP kooks think they are fiscal conservatives, but they aren't. They are fiscal kooks.

109 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:44:44pm

re: #107 ArchangelMichael

Huh? He's some old god-hating pothead! He's not conservative!

/

Well, if I'm supposed to link arms with racists and nazis- maybe I'm not a conservative. But considering Goldwater kicked the Birchers to the curb, my guess is he wouldn't be too keen on the current kookiness, so perhaps I am.

110 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:46:33pm

re: #105 iceweasel

I'm hella left on social issues

Anyone who still insists you are not an American is now PWNed... you just used a term not used outside of Northern California in anyway other than to mock No-Cals.

111 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:48:26pm

re: #105 iceweasel

Yes, that's what I thought...honestly, I think a lot of us have more in common than we might think. I'm hella left on social issues, but lots of us here would like to see fiscal conservatism, which neither party has had in a long time.
Also booting the theocons and the so-cons and the anti-intellectualism and the anti-science crowd. If we had a genuinely conservative party that did all those things, I might even vote for them.

The anti-intellectualism is the worst aspect in the current environment. More so because it's a trend within pundit-sphere. It's a complicated world. Tonight I found myself thinking, "one can accept AGW while rejecting cap and trade." The problem there is that people assume you support cap and trade if you endorse the theory of AGW. Or when one states that marijuana should be legalized that you are endorsing heroin, other hard drugs, or a drug lifestyle.

112 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:50:28pm

re: #110 ArchangelMichael

Anyone who still insists you are not an American is now PWNed... you just used a term not used outside of Northern California in anyway other than to mock No-Cals.

Well...'hella' does have an ironic usage, as you note, elsewhere. But you're right. ;-)

113 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:58:42pm

re: #111 Gus 802

The anti-intellectualism is the worst aspect in the current environment. More so because it's a trend within pundit-sphere. It's a complicated world. Tonight I found myself thinking, "one can accept AGW while rejecting cap and trade." The problem there is that people assume you support cap and trade if you endorse the theory of AGW. Or when one states that marijuana should be legalized that you are endorsing heroin, other hard drugs, or a drug lifestyle.

Yes, totally agree. And it's the anti-intellectualism and the anti-science aspects that turn people like me and LVQ off the most, I think. This idea that if you endorse AGW, then you have to support Cap and Trade...and that if you even look at the science for some things, it will magikally make you a lib.
Drugs are another good example.
It's really all sloppy thinking, and a desire on the part of many people to pigeonhole others. It's funny how many arguments I get into with people here because they are attacking their idea of what a liberal is, or what I 'must' think, rather than what I actually say.
(People on the left stereotype people on the right as well, of course. This is why I think LGF is the best place for political discussion on the net-- you can get both sides, and you get to see that the 'other side' isn't the stereotype we often like to think.)

114 Millicent Islam  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 11:59:57pm

re: #110 ArchangelMichael

Anyone who still insists you are not an American is now PWNed... you just used a term not used outside of Northern California in anyway other than to mock No-Cals.

Also, I srsly thought my usages of 'really' and 'seriously' and 'totally' and my way over-usage of 'awesome' might give people a clue, as some say.

115 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 12:12:16am

re: #111 Gus 802

The anti-intellectualism is the worst aspect in the current environment. More so because it's a trend within pundit-sphere. It's a complicated world. Tonight I found myself thinking, "one can accept AGW while rejecting cap and trade." The problem there is that people assume you support cap and trade if you endorse the theory of AGW. Or when one states that marijuana should be legalized that you are endorsing heroin, other hard drugs, or a drug lifestyle.

I think the issue on the right/conservative side at this point has a lot to do with anti-intellectualism in that some are not thinking logically through their positions. Don't tell me you favor individual liberties on one hand, and on the other tell people they can't smoke a joint in the privacy of their own homes. Don't tell me you favor limited government on one hand, and on the other seek to use the power of government to force religion into science classes. I don't really care if a person thinks marijuana is bad, and creationism is the truth. There is a disconnect when principles aren't applied equally. So not only are certain positions (like intelligent design) themselves anti-intellectual, the lack of principled positions in general is anti-intellectual in that logic isn't being applied to the principles we claim to support.

116 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 12:13:47am

re: #115 Sharmuta

"Yeah but like... thinking is hard and stuff."

117 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 12:49:41am

RS McCain also has some nasty homophobia and misogyny issues as he attacks his distant cousin Meghan McCain for her position on homosexuals:

"Does it sound campy to say I love gay men?" says Meghan in typical fag-hag fashion, since this is the only way she has of getting affection from men.

And this:

Women hanging around the gay disco, however, is a very familar phenomenon. And the belief of some women that they have a special friendship with their gay male friends is a myth.

Let me disabuse you ladies of your naivete: A reasonably attractive young gay man has no problem getting with two or three guys a night. And that's if he's really picky. (Read And The Band Played On, by Randy Shilts.) So when some lonely, frustrated woman wants to hang around with gay guys because it's the only male companionship she can get, she is recognized for the truly pathetic loser she is.

Show of hands: Who thinks Meghan McCain has the slightest inkling of the things her gay "friends" say behind her back?

He goes on:

“Homophobia is the last socially accepted prejudice,” McCain says, repeating it for emphasis.

It's not true. It's just a politically correct slogan, dependent on a dubious pseudoscientific term, "homophobia." Grant that there are genuinely intolerant people in the world, in what sense does opposition to a political agenda -- and her support for same-sex marriage is the chief topic of the interview -- constitute a "phobia," an irrational pathology?

Hmm. Sounds familiar.

118 Gus  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:18:13am

re: #117 Sharmuta

RS McCain also has some nasty homophobia and misogyny issues as he attacks his distant cousin Meghan McCain for her position on homosexuals:

Hmm. Sounds familiar.

What a douche bag. Gay disco? What is this 1982? No one calls them gay discos anymore and furthermore how would he even know? I'm curious about that. And then this part:

So when some lonely, frustrated woman wants to hang around with gay guys because it's the only male companionship she can get, she is recognized for the truly pathetic loser she is.

Is he projecting in that part or is he just engaging in fantasy fulfillment with Robert Stacy McCain visualizing himself as a gay man in a gay "disco" with Meghan McCain as a friend? We already know what a little chatterbox he is in light of the recent uproar he has inspired on the right wing blogosphere.

He is so clueless that he fails to recognize that gay men have straight women friends, sisters, and mothers. Many have former wives that they keep good contact with. In most cases there are no psychological reasons for it as RSM alludes to; it is just normal and healthy (platonic) relationships.

Unlike RSM I can point to personal observation rather than allegorical fantasies that he may come up with while on a engaging in mental masturbation behind his keyboard.

119 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:18:16am

Here is RS McCain posting at Hot Air's Green Room complete with apologia for Taki Theodoracopulos and Richard Spencer- two well know racists:

So if Taki and Spencer are willing to pay money to a proud philo-Semite, the (hypothetical) first Gentile prime minister of Israel, then this must be viewed as evidence that Taki’s “anti-Semitism” is something akin to my alleged status as a “neo-Confederate lesbian” — one of those rumors too good to deny

Whoops- there's that homophobia/misogyny thing again. Oh- but he does give props to the shrieking harpy. Guess that has to count for something.

120 Millicent Islam  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:30:33am

re: #117 Sharmuta

Ahh, I had seen that before. I love this:

Women hanging around the gay disco, however, is a very familar phenomenon. And the belief of some women that they have a special friendship with their gay male friends is a myth.

Let me disabuse you ladies of your naivete: A reasonably attractive young gay man has no problem getting with two or three guys a night. And that's if he's really picky. (Read And The Band Played On, by Randy Shilts.) So when some lonely, frustrated woman wants to hang around with gay guys because it's the only male companionship she can get, she is recognized for the truly pathetic loser she is.

Yeah, Because it's utterly incomprehensible that we can have friends we don't want to fuck, or that anyone would want to spend time with a friend.

What a sad, hateful little freak that guy is. Everything he writes is an expression of his secret fantasies. He's just said that if you could have meaningless sex with 3 people a night, you'd never 'waste time' hanging out with a friend. And he's acknowledged that he would never have female friends.
What The Fuck.

121 Gus  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:33:30am

re: #119 Sharmuta

Here is RS McCain posting at Hot Air's Green Room complete with apologia for Taki Theodoracopulos and Richard Spencer- two well know racists:

Whoops- there's that homophobia/misogyny thing again. Oh- but he does give props to the shrieking harpy. Guess that has to count for something.

Interesting. Hot Air is now open after house. Allahpundit posted something after midnight. Along with RS McCain in the Green Room fantasizing about being a "Confederate lesbian" (whatever that means) they have an article devoted to Kanye West and the MTV awards. I guess that to counter balance the "erudite" rhetorical analysis of Ed Morrisey doing a word count on one of Obama's speeches.

Oh, and the comments for the Kanye West article at Hot Air has many racist comments which I won't post here. Fitting now that they have RS McCain on board.

122 Millicent Islam  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:34:54am

re: #117 Sharmuta

RS McCain also has some nasty homophobia and misogyny issues as he attacks his distant cousin Meghan McCain for her position on homosexuals:

Hmm. Sounds familiar.

Doesn't it? Sounds like some buzz-words we've heard employed here.

It's not true. It's just a politically correct slogan, dependent on a dubious pseudoscientific term, "homophobia." Grant that there are genuinely intolerant people in the world, in what sense does opposition to a political agenda -- and her support for same-sex marriage is the chief topic of the interview -- constitute a "phobia," an irrational pathology?

Kind of odd that so many go to such lengths to deny that homophobia exists. It's kind of like the people who want to insist racism doesn't exist.

123 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:35:52am

re: #118 Gus 802

Gus- I'm so disgusted by that screed I could vomit. Utterly disgusting what he did to Miss McCain. All I can say is he did some massive exposing of his own little warped frustrations. Why do I now picture him as the sekrit nazi neighbor in 'American Beauty'?

124 Gus  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:36:49am

re: #123 Sharmuta

Gus- I'm so disgusted by that screed I could vomit. Utterly disgusting what he did to Miss McCain. All I can say is he did some massive exposing of his own little warped frustrations. Why do I now picture him as the sekrit nazi neighbor in 'American Beauty'?

In an odd way he even resemble the actor that played the part of the sekrit nazi neighbor.

125 Millicent Islam  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:48:23am

re: #123 Sharmuta

Gus- I'm so disgusted by that screed I could vomit. Utterly disgusting what he did to Miss McCain. All I can say is he did some massive exposing of his own little warped frustrations. Why do I now picture him as the sekrit nazi neighbor in 'American Beauty'?

You wouldn't believe how vicious people on the right have been to Meghan McCain, Sharm. Incredible amounts of hate.
The left isn't that fond of her, but they give her kudos for some of her stances. The wingnuts though have loads of vile, misogynistic and hateful rants about her.

126 Millicent Islam  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:53:20am

Some more RSM from that rant:

Does it sound campy to say I love gay men?" says Meghan in typical fag-hag fashion, since this is the only way she has of getting affection from men.

What Meghan does not fully comprehend is the special contempt that exists within gay male culture for such desperate female hangers-on otherwise known as fish. Very simple questions, Meg:

* If they actually like women, why are they gay?
* What makes you think you are the exception to the rule?

Lesbian culture is more honest. Lesbians don't hesitate to identify men as the enemy. Some are more tolerant than others, but there is no analog in lesbian culture for the fag hag. You don't see straight guys "hanging out" with their lesbian friends. The straight guy who walks into a dyke bar is an unwelcome presence, and may be asked to leave.

So this is funny. RSM goes to great lengths to establish his 'hetero cred' in that article (that's what he calls it!) -- yet thinks he knows more about gay male culture than Meghan M could. I wonder why?

Notice too, that his definition for 'liking women' mean 'wants to have sex with them.'
He genuinely has no other metric for understanding why either a straight or gay man would spend time with a women.

127 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:56:40am

re: #120 iceweasel

Yeah, Because it's utterly incomprehensible that we can have friends we don't want to fuck, or that anyone would want to spend time with a friend.

What a sad, hateful little freak that guy is. Everything he writes is an expression of his secret fantasies. He's just said that if you could have meaningless sex with 3 people a night, you'd never 'waste time' hanging out with a friend. And he's acknowledged that he would never have female friends.
What The Fuck.

Insulting to call women with gay male friends "fag-hags" and assume we have them for friends because we can't get male companionship any other way. Never mind if a woman and a gay man might enjoy each other as people because of shared interests or values. And to go on to say the lesbian community is laced with misandry- the guy has a serious hatred for women straight and gay. Sick.

128 Gus  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:57:05am

re: #126 iceweasel

Some more RSM from that rant:

So this is funny. RSM goes to great lengths to establish his 'hetero cred' in that article (that's what he calls it!) -- yet thinks he knows more about gay male culture than Meghan M could. I wonder why?

Notice too, that his definition for 'liking women' mean 'wants to have sex with them.'
He genuinely has no other metric for understanding why either a straight or gay man would spend time with a women.

We can make a list!

Robert Stacy McCains Rules on Lesbians:

1. Lesbian culture is more honest.
2. Lesbians don't hesitate to identify men as the enemy.
3. Some are more tolerant than others, but there is no analog in lesbian culture for the fag hag.
4. You don't see straight guys "hanging out" with their lesbian friends.
5. The straight guy who walks into a dyke bar is an unwelcome presence, and may be asked to leave.

Perhaps he speaks from personal experience?

/

129 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:05:33am

re: #125 iceweasel

You wouldn't believe how vicious people on the right have been to Meghan McCain, Sharm. Incredible amounts of hate.
The left isn't that fond of her, but they give her kudos for some of her stances. The wingnuts though have loads of vile, misogynistic and hateful rants about her.

Hmm- a non-bigoted, attractive, female republican with name recognition...

We could stand to have her run for office. Wonder what she thinks of evolution.

130 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:24:56am

re: #126 iceweasel

Notice too, that his definition for 'liking women' mean 'wants to have sex with them.'
He genuinely has no other metric for understanding why either a straight or gay man would spend time with a women.

And that's the height of misogyny- thinking of women as nothing more than sex objects. RSM is a complete pig- is there any form of bigotry he doesn't embrace?

131 Jesse  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 3:10:07am

“I first encountered Bill White who was, at that time, head of something called the Utopian Anarchist Party. He later, I believe, changed the name of his group to the Libertarian Socialist Party,”

Libertarian Socialist? A contradiction in terms.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 4:13:46am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

As I recall Bill White is serving time. Correct?

Woo Hoo! Roanoke, VA made the Times! Yay.

Wait. oh. sigh.

133 Millicent Islam  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 5:24:15am

re: #130 Sharmuta

And that's the height of misogyny- thinking of women as nothing more than sex objects. RSM is a complete pig- is there any form of bigotry he doesn't embrace?

Well, he's a racist, a bigot, a homophobe, and he hates women. He's got a lot covered.

134 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:02:03am

IIRC how we got here was from Ron Paul's campaign and some of Charle's articles on it. Originally Charles published Bill White's outting of several of the tea cup racialists and the RP campaign meeting at the Sala Thai restaurant. That resulted in a series of posts, but really the Sala Thai is where the teacup racialists meet regularly under the guise of forums with guest speakers at the "Robert Taft Club" a group of Buchananite Paleocon racists. They will of course tell you that they are haters or racists, they are just culture warriors concerned with Identity. RSM has also spoken at these meetings.
What's the word on Epstein anyway? Wasn't he busted a while back?

135 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:02:57am

/pimf "they are NOT "...

136 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:11:06am

I hate when I miss such a juicy thread ...

But I can predict the Stacy McCain "3 point" response -

Point 1) "THIS IS NOT RACISM"

Point 2) How dare you attack the people of The South®

Point 3) You don't know my friends (even though it is obvious that you know of my friends).

Sprinkled with references to his own greatness, the nobility of The South (aka White People), and how dastardly Yankees are.

137 MPH  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:17:08am

[Link: 74.125.47.132...]

From Lew Rockwell:

Our own William Anderson along with Richard Spencer and Robert Stacy McCain will discuss the larger implications of the Duke hoax on January 28th for the Robert Taft Club in the Washington, DC area. Some details, like location, are yet to be finalized. I will update January LRC Events as info comes in.
138 MPH  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:19:31am

This all comes back to the Lew Rockwell-RonPaul clan.

139 Thunderhart  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:27:30am

RS McCain's writings and friends are extreme and nutty and I hope he is indeed gone from the Washington Times, but Charles, the George Archibald link you posted is reporting from "August 22, 2007," NOT 2009.

Anyone know what has happened in the more than two years since? I don't read the Washington Times myself.

140 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:30:45am

re: #138 MPH

This all comes back to the Lew Rockwell-RonPaul clan.

Let's not forget the Rockford Institute Chronicles crowd either, LR is just one member of that Nexus.

# Alexander Cockburn
# James Bissett
# Andrei Navrozov
# Art Livingston
# Beverly Eakman
# Bill Warner
# Carolus Martellus
# Chilton Williamson, Jr.
# Christopher Check
# Christopher Manion
# Christopher Sandford
# Chronicles
# Clyde Wilson
# Daniel Larison
# David Hartman
# Donald Manzullo
# Donald Livingston
# Doug Bandow
# Egon Tausch
# Fr. Hugh Barbour, O.Praem.
# George Ajjan
# George McCartney
# Greg Kaza
# Gregory Davis
# Gregory McNamee
# Herbert Arthur Scott Trask
# Jack Trotter
# James Tate
# Jerry Salyer
# Joseph Sobran
# John Willson
# Joseph Fallon
# Julia Gorin
# Justin Raimondo
# Kevin Grace
# Mark Shea
# Monica M. Richert and Scott P. Richert
# Pat Quinn
# Patrick Buchanan
# Paul Roberts
# Peter Brimelow
# Cort Kirkwood
# Robert Lurie
# Rodney Atkinson
# Roger McGrath
# Samuel Francis
# Sandy Faulkner
# Scott Richert
# Sean Scallon
# Sergey Lavrov
# S. Trifkovic
# Stephen Presser
# Stephen Baskerville
# Steve Berg
# Taki Theodoracopulos
# Ted Carpenter
# Thomas Fleming
# Tim Manning
# Tom Landess
# Tom Piatak
# Wayne Allensworth
# William Watkins
# William Murchison
# William Quirk
# William Hawkins

141 non obama mama  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:32:37am

FYI:

I read over what Vodkapundit said, and he wrote in his comments that he only did not link to LGF because somehow the link did not work when he was typing his post. He went on to say he has no ill will towards Charles or LGF.

Anyway, my own take on this is that Robert Stacy McCain is typical of the VDARE crowd, and there is no excuse to be part of that crowd. I was surprised to see Michelle Malkin posting on VDARE as well. She is a very big name, and the FAQ of the VDARE website actually says: "No, we are not white nationalists, but we are perfectly fine with the open white nationalist, Jared Taylor!"

Ah well. Thankfully, not everyone defending human rights against Jihad is a crazy person or a racist.

Check out:

[Link: realcourage.org...]

142 non obama mama  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:36:01am

re: #140 Thanos

Let's not forget the Rockford Institute Chronicles crowd either, LR is just one member of that Nexus.

# Alexander Cockburn
# James Bissett
# Andrei Navrozov
# Art Livingston
# Beverly Eakman
# Bill Warner
# Carolus Martellus
# Chilton Williamson, Jr.
# Christopher Check
# Christopher Manion
# Christopher Sandford
# Chronicles
# Clyde Wilson
# Daniel Larison
# David Hartman
# Donald Manzullo
# Donald Livingston
# Doug Bandow
# Egon Tausch
# Fr. Hugh Barbour, O.Praem.
# George Ajjan
# George McCartney
# Greg Kaza
# Gregory Davis
# Gregory McNamee
# Herbert Arthur Scott Trask
# Jack Trotter
# James Tate
# Jerry Salyer
# Joseph Sobran
# John Willson
# Joseph Fallon
# Julia Gorin
# Justin Raimondo
# Kevin Grace
# Mark Shea
# Monica M. Richert and Scott P. Richert
# Pat Quinn
# Patrick Buchanan
# Paul Roberts
# Peter Brimelow
# Cort Kirkwood
# Robert Lurie
# Rodney Atkinson
# Roger McGrath
# Samuel Francis
# Sandy Faulkner
# Scott Richert
# Sean Scallon
# Sergey Lavrov
# S. Trifkovic
# Stephen Presser
# Stephen Baskerville
# Steve Berg
# Taki Theodoracopulos
# Ted Carpenter
# Thomas Fleming
# Tim Manning
# Tom Landess
# Tom Piatak
# Wayne Allensworth
# William Watkins
# William Murchison
# William Quirk
# William Hawkins

Where did you get that list from? I am confused as to what it represents.

Bill Warner - he is a big name. He leads the Center for the Study of Political Islam.

143 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 9:21:55am

re: #142 non obama mama

Off the Rockford Institute Chronicles Magazine authors list, almost all are paleocons, neoconfederates, Lew Rockwell, or foreign fascist/Nieuw Recht lobby associated.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 9:30:28am

re: #139 Thunderhart

RS McCain's writings and friends are extreme and nutty and I hope he is indeed gone from the Washington Times, but Charles, the George Archibald link you posted is reporting from "August 22, 2007," NOT 2009.

Uh ... did you notice that the date is right there in the quote I posted? Not sure what your point is.

145 doubter4444  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 10:44:52am

re: #61 iceweasel

But to be fair, AmCon does publish work by non-wingnuts and even liberals-- Glenn Greenwald in November, i think, and they publish Daniel Larison's Eunomia, -- one of the only conservatives I enjoy reading, and definitely not a racist.

Buchanan of course is scum, and I certainly don't dispute the RSM/Buchanan connection.

Me too, I enjoy Larison's blog, I think he's smart and on target.

146 scrubjay  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:15:29am

The purging of fringe racists from the Times is a useful thing. I hope that the owner of the Times will reach out to the rational conservatives for a replacement. It would be a thrill to has someone like Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter be the new editor. That would make for some real exciting editions.

147 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #61 iceweasel

But to be fair, AmCon does publish work by non-wingnuts and even liberals-- Glenn Greenwald in November, i think, and they publish Daniel Larison's Eunomia, -- one of the only conservatives I enjoy reading, and definitely not a racist.

Buchanan of course is scum, and I certainly don't dispute the RSM/Buchanan connection.

You kidding me? Daniel Larison is an anti-Semite paleocon scumbag who writes for Chronicles, and the article you linked to by him is a piece of shitty sophistry.

And Glenn Greenwald is hysterical, and a lightweight to boot.

148 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:31:39am

Larison is a confederate sympathizer too. I'm sure you found him one of the only conservatives you enjoy reading when you caught him channeling the radical leftist, anti-war, isolationist strain of his deluded philosophy. You may love Ron Paul too when he's spouting off same talking points. Or Lew Rockwell. They're experts at it.

149 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:45:39am

Anyone who finds Larison one of her favorite Conservatives to read has serious gaps of understanding on what Conservatism stands for or is supposed to stand for. Because he's not representative of Conservatives any more than Paleo-Cons in general are... which I know, lately, has been more than we would like them to be, but at the end of the day, they're still a fringe.

150 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:25pm

re: #148 medaura18586

Larison is a confederate sympathizer too. I'm sure you found him one of the only conservatives you enjoy reading when you caught him channeling the radical leftist, anti-war, isolationist strain of his deluded philosophy. You may love Ron Paul too when he's spouting off same talking points. Or Lew Rockwell. They're experts at it.


They are also both linked to at Larison's blog, under "Conservative Magazines & Recommended Sites," along with a few others:

* @TAC
* Chronicles
* Culture11
* First Principles
* Front Porch Republic
* Intercollegiate Studies Institute
* LewRockwell.com
* Ron Paul 2008
* Sobran’s
* Taki’s Magazine
* The American Cause
* The American Conservative
* The American Scene
* The League of the South
* The New Atlantis
* The New Pantagruel
* The Russell Kirk Center
* The Spectator
* The Week
* VDare


I never heard of Larison, but I feel like I know him well enough already.

151 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:02pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

It's an inbred circle. You know one. You know them all. They all stand for the same things and write as if they think with the same deluded collective brain. And they all link almost exclusively to each-other.

152 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:47:03pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

I never heard of Larison, but I feel like I know him well enough already.

Yes, you do know him. He's running in the same circles as Robert Stacy McCain.

iceweasel: you need to inform yourself a little better about this guy. He's not someone you should support.

153 medaura18586  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:33:36pm

re: #152 Charles

Neither is Glenn Greenwald, for that matter.

154 Millicent Islam  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:16:06am

re: #152 Charles

Yes, you do know him. He's running in the same circles as Robert Stacy McCain.

iceweasel: you need to inform yourself a little better about this guy. He's not someone you should support.

What a disappointment!
I read a lot of people, and it's hard to always know their web of associations and read everything they've written.

I only ran across DL this summer- read a couple of columns where he refused to join the freakout over Sotomayor, and a couple where he attacked the nirthers. IIRC. He seemed sane!

I'm so desperate to find someone on the right to read apart from Krauthammer these days. Good to know, thanks.

155 Millicent Islam  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:16:21am

re: #153 medaura18586

Neither is Glenn Greenwald, for that matter.

Disagree.

156 Millicent Islam  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:43am

re: #150 wrenchwench

UGH! that's what I get for not having looked at his blogroll. arrgggh

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 7:51:11am

re: #153 medaura18586

Neither is Glenn Greenwald, for that matter.

You mean Socky Sockpuppet?

Heh.

158 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:11am
159 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:55:23am

Bye now! Have fun with the bigots.


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