At James Randi’s “Amazing Meeting,” Neurologist Steve Novella gave an interesting talk on the benefits of vaccination, and the growing danger of the anti-vaccination movement. (This is an introduction to a panel discussion that hasn’t been posted yet.)
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arethusa Mon, Sep 14, 2009 5:52:13pm |
I've always known they were out there, but that a good number of people seem to be against vaccination just blows my mind. I mean, where would we be without vaccines like the smallpox vaccine?
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Mon, Sep 14, 2009 5:57:40pm |
sorry to OT so early, but Patrick Swazye has passed away
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:02:10pm |
See...this is how good the conspiracy is. The "powers that be" leak just enough info for the conspiracy theorists to believe that vaxes are bad news. It's sheer genius when you think about it. The NWO accomplishes their goal of population reduction while at the same time eliminating the conspiracy theorists who die of whatever it is they refused to get a vaccination to prevent in the first place. With no conspiracy theorists left, the powers can proceed unimpeded.
Mwahahaha.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:03:11pm |
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:03:45pm |
re: #1 arethusa
I've always known they were out there, but that a good number of people seem to be against vaccination just blows my mind. I mean, where would we be without vaccines like the smallpox vaccine?
Pitted. The ones that survived, anyway.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:03:51pm |
and the anti vaccination folks are still idiots
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ArmyWife Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:04:09pm |
re: #3 Jewels (AKA Julian)
My prayers to his family and friends. He was a great horseman. He will be missed.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:04:40pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
Happy Birthday. Have you had all your shots?
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:04:54pm |
In related medical news:
Study explains bacteria's resistance to antibiotics
A small molecule composed of one atom of oxygen and one of nitrogen plays an important role in helping pathogens resist antibiotics, a new study has found.
The study, led by Evgeny Nudler, professor of biochemistry at New York University Langone Medical Center, and published in Science magazine, provides evidence that nitric oxide (NO) is able to alleviate stress in bacteria caused by many antibiotics and helps it neutralize many antibacterial compounds.
"Developing new medications to fight antibiotic resistant bacteria ... is a huge hurdle, associated with great cost and countless safety issues," Nudler said in a statement.
"Here, we have a short cut, where we don't have to invent new antibiotics. Instead, we can enhance the activity of well established ones, making them more effective at lower doses."
This is the sort of advancements in science that will save lives. It's the sort of advancement in biochemistry that people like Michael Behe hurt with their anti-intellectualism by focusing on disproving evolution. It's the sort of medical advancement people like anti-vaxxers will take advantage of hypocritically- and hurt the rest of the population by increases disease these scientists are trying to fight.
Shame on anti-science advocates- they know not what they do.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:05:07pm |
re: #2 Enkidu90046
Anti-science takes many forms.
Now, smallpox vaccination was first introduced to the New World by Africans. Do you think the granola wing of the anti-vacc movement would be friendlier to vaccination if they knew it was an old tribal tradition, or would they start trying to do it at home with a quill and knife?
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:05:31pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
Wynton Marsalis and his septet (and I) wish you a happy birthday and many more.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:05:48pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
Happy birthday!
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:05:49pm |
Brookly:
no it's not you. it is a bit slow *tips hat to the thread*
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:06:36pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:06:54pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
You say it's your Birthday?
We're gonna have a good time?
You say it's your birthday?
Well Happy Birthday to you!
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:06:56pm |
re: #15 BigPapa
Tequila shots? No, I have not.
Careful, those are geniticaly modified limes you know...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:07:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:08:30pm |
re: #19 MikeySDCA
Source?
As you can see, it's slightly more complex than that, there are European sources as well. But it's generally agreed that Mather first became aware of the possibilities of vaccination from a slave who described to him how it was done in his homeland.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:08:35pm |
Possibly the longest flounce-off comment in LGF history was just posted in the Powerline thread, where the flouncers are gathering like moths to a flame.
It lasted less than two minutes. Must be very disappointing for the flouncer.
Heh.
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:09:48pm |
re: #26 Charles
Possibly the longest flounce-off comment in LGF history was just posted in the Powerline thread, where the flouncers are gathering like moths to a flame.
It lasted less than two minutes. Must be very disappointing for the flouncer.
Heh.
I could swear that some posts are just honeypots. You know, kind of like getting Al-Quaida to swarm into Iraq.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:10:22pm |
re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist
As you can see, it's slightly more complex than that, there are European sources as well. But it's generally agreed that Mather first became aware of the possibilities of vaccination from a slave who described to him how it was done in his homeland.
And sorry, what I'm talking about is inoculation, which is actually different from vaccination...look, I'm trying to make sense here, but it was a long day. :)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:10:40pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
In related medical news:
Study explains bacteria's resistance to antibiotics
This is the sort of advancements in science that will save lives. It's the sort of advancement in biochemistry that people like Michael Behe hurt with their anti-intellectualism by focusing on disproving evolution. It's the sort of medical advancement people like anti-vaxxers will take advantage of hypocritically- and hurt the rest of the population by increases disease these scientists are trying to fight.
Shame on anti-science advocates- they know not what they do.
Don't know or (more likely) don't care. They want to have things their way, and they don't think about the damage that might be caused. They see themselves as fighting autism and that means their motives and ends are pure, thus justifying lies and deceit. If this description reminds you of Tea Party fascists and Code Pink commies, that's because those groups walk the same road. It's all about them. Ego is easy, humility is hard.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:11:10pm |
re: #24 Noam Sayin'
How old is Ludwig?
.000 -23 % of a light year...If he tells you different he's lying about his age...
/
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:11:16pm |
re: #26 Charles
Possibly the longest flounce-off comment in LGF history was just posted in the Powerline thread, where the flouncers are gathering like moths to a flame.
It lasted less than two minutes. Must be very disappointing for the flouncer.
Heh.
/A flounce lasting longer that 4 hours requires medical attention.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:11:48pm |
Another lefty having fun at the Tea Party...
9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS
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Kronocide Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:12:10pm |
Waiting for the rest of the links to that panel discussion while I drink chemically modified rotten agave juice and suck on FrankenLimes, listening to Wynton Marsalis. Don't worry, I'll be OK.
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Racer X Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:13:24pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Another lefty having fun at the Tea Party...
9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS
[Video]
Old news.
We're back making fun of Jenny McCarthy now.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:14:14pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
Ego is easy, humility is hard.
Those are very wise words, DF. Many do think it's all about them, and have very little consideration for the rest of us. It goes well beyond science- but it's impact concerning science might be the greatest.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:14:21pm |
re: #26 Charles
Possibly the longest flounce-off comment in LGF history was just posted in the Powerline thread, where the flouncers are gathering like moths to a flame.
It lasted less than two minutes. Must be very disappointing for the flouncer.
Heh.
Such long-time "lizards", with -1 posts. Or even 1000, but I never remember seeing them post anything.
What happened to your idea to automatically deactivate accounts where nothing was posted for a while?
I suppose it would use a lot of server time, unless you could set it to a low priority. Basically a select where last post more than a certain time ago, and then either drop the user or set an Inactive mode so they could ask you to come back with a legit reason.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:15:35pm |
Open talk of revolution in that video.
More signs that say, "Unarmed this time." Somebody's putting that slogan out there. Anyone know who?
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Kronocide Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:17:10pm |
re: #38 Charles
Wow.
It's like the alternate universe ZombieTime.
I made it to the 'Beck For President' guy and that was enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:17:21pm |
re: #36 MikeySDCA
There are no credible descriptions of smallpox-like disease in the Americas before the westward exploration in the 15th century AD.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
OK--but since this happened in the 1720s...I'm missing something, right?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:18:58pm |
Look at all those "conservatives" wearing t-shirts with communist symbology. The irony is giving me a migraine.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:19:32pm |
re: #32 brookly red
/A flounce lasting longer that 4 hours requires medical attention.
I say a flounce longer than 4 hours..Forget calling your Doctor..Compose a letter to Penthouse...Oh wait..I shouldn't say that..The other night I really offended a Lizard when I said a great shower with a girl is when you feel dirtier getting out of the shower than when you went in..
I dunno..I thought it was pretty funny...Make sure to cover your ears the next time I post...*wink*
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:22:19pm |
re: #38 Charles
The interviews are pretty funny.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:25:13pm |
re: #47 HoosierHoops
I say a flounce longer than 4 hours..Forget calling your Doctor..Compose a letter to Penthouse...Oh wait..I shouldn't say that..The other night I really offended a Lizard when I said a great shower with a girl is when you feel dirtier getting out of the shower than when you went in..
I dunno..I thought it was pretty funny...Make sure to cover your ears the next time I post...*wink*
Your dirty shower line is sheer brilliance. It expresses the exquisitely warped male libido to a tee.
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funky chicken Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:26:07pm |
We begin our history of vaccines and immunization with the story of Edward Jenner, a country doctor living in Berkeley (Gloucestershire), England, who in 1796 performed the world’s first vaccination.4 Taking pus from a cowpox lesion on a milkmaid’s hand, Jenner inoculated an eight-year-old boy, James Phipps. Six weeks later Jenner variolated two sites on Phipps’s arm with smallpox, yet the boy was unaffected by this as well as subsequent exposures.5 Based on twelve such experiments and sixteen additional case histories he had collected since the 1770s, Jenner published at his own expense a volume that swiftly became a classic text in the annals of medicine: Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of the Variolae Vaccine. His assertion "that the cow-pox protects the human constitution from the infection of smallpox" laid the foundation for modern vaccinology.6How did Jenner, a country doctor, formulate the vaccine concept? To begin with, his discovery relied extensively on knowledge of the local customs of farming communities and the awareness that milkmaids infected with cowpox, visible as pustules on the hand or forearm, were immune to subsequent outbreaks of smallpox that periodically swept through the area. Moreover, a learned man immersed in the secular and rational doctrines of the Enlightenment, Jenner applied the scientific methods of observation and experimentation to this parochial wisdom, ultimately conducting one of the world’s first clinical trials. He thus was able to devise an alternative to variolation (the controlled transfer of pus from one person’s active smallpox lesion to another person’s arm, usually subcutaneously with a lancet), which had been practiced in Asia since the 1600s and in Europe and colonial America since the early 1700s.
[Link: content.healthaffairs.org...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:26:28pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Thank you for giving me a drinking game for my B-Day...
1 shot anytime Jesus or Beck was mentioned...
OK, thanks looks like my buds and I are drinking here now :)
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:26:37pm |
re: #50 Spare O'Lake
Your dirty shower line is sheer brilliance. It expresses the exquisitely warped male libido to a tee.
warped? maybe a little bent but not warped.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:27:01pm |
It's scary to live in a futuristic world where men in white coats really do know better.
It's a comfort to latch onto the idea that you yourself have superior information, and that those men in white coats are scoundrels and liars or dupes.
Forced to choose between a real but somewhat remote threat to the life of their children, and the constant threat to equanimity that this futuristic world poses, all too many choose equanimity. It's the same syndrome, in another manifestation, that drives the troofers, the guys claiming we never landed on the moon, the guys claiming global warming will lead to massive world-shattering hurricanes weekly [yes, Al Gore, I'm talkin to you], the guys claiming global warming is just a conspiracy of mad scientists [you-all who say that human production of CO2 is insignificant compared to volcanic emissions, I'm talkin to you], nirthers, the folk who insist that man is not related to apes, the squirrels, the dolphins, and the fish, (in successively diminished proximity) the guys who accept the claim that opposition to the Obama agenda is nothing but astroturf, and so forth.
If you feel like you have special inside information that the powers that be are engaged in a near-universal conspiracy to delude the public, which you, happily, have seen through, you feel good.
Addict.
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HelloDare Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:27:20pm |
I'm against pancake syrup.
I'm an Anti-Auntie Jemima.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:28:07pm |
Okay, I'll bite... what the hell is a "flounce"?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:28:16pm |
re: #1 arethusa
I've always known they were out there, but that a good number of people seem to be against vaccination just blows my mind. I mean, where would we be without vaccines like the smallpox vaccine?
Dead.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:28:30pm |
re: #43 BigPapa
It's like the alternate universe ZombieTime.
I made it to the 'Beck For President' guy and that was enough.
THIS Zombie Time???
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]
or this one??
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]
disturbing photos protesters from the "alternate" universe!
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Danny Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:28:49pm |
re: #56 Enkidu90046
Okay, I'll bite... what the hell is a "flounce"?
Fabric softener sheets you put in your dryer.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:03pm |
Whoa.
A Google search for "We came unarmed this time."
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:16pm |
I got The Kid's flu-vapor thingy done today. It lasts eight months and--IIRC--covers more strains. Next is the H1N1 vaccination.
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JHW Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:16pm |
In 1714, Queen Anne died, bringing the Elector of Hanover to the throne. Her husband, a politician, was rewarded by being appointed Ambassador to Turkey and the young couple set off for the exotic Turkish lands. A perceptive spectator, an adventurous tourist, and a fascinated amateur ethnographer, Lady Mary immersed herself in all things Turkish, even learning the language. She visited the zenanas, meeting the upper class women secluded there, and learning Turkish customs. Her record of her travels, Turkish Embassy Letters, are still considered among the finest specimens of the epistolary genre.Upon returning home to England, Lady Mary introduced into England the Turkish practice of inoculating healthy children with a weakened strain of smallpox to confer immunity from the more virulent strains of the disease. The dreaded smallpox, which left Lady Mary herself scarred from her 1715 bout with the disease and which killed her brother, often killed its victims or left them scarred or deformed for life. Upon learning of the Turkish practice, Lady Mary immediately had her son inoculated. After returning home to England, she introduced the custom to the nobility by having her daughter inoculated, too. Edward Jenner (1749-1823) would eventually be given credit for the smallpox vaccine, but it was really Lady Mary who pioneered the approach in western Europe and made it acceptable to the influential, the rich and the powerful. Eventually, the practice of inoculation would filter down to the middle and working classes and would be extended to inoculation against a variety of infectious diseases..
As time passed, more and more people were vaccinated against smallpox, until in 1979, the UN World Health Organization declared that smallpox, that perennial killer, had been eradicated throughout the world. Following in the footsteps pioneered by the health professionals fighting smallpox, vaccines for a host of deadly and deforming diseases including mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, and polio were developed and distributed making so many of the infectious diseases which were early childhood killers a thing of the past, at least in the developed and developing world. Millions, possibly hundreds of millions, of people owe their lives or their health or the lifes or health of someone close to them to Lady Mary Wortley Montagu.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:19pm |
re: #56 Enkidu90046
Okay, I'll bite... what the hell is a "flounce"?
Sorta like a going away present
We get the present because the "flouncer" goes away!
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zeir Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:26pm |
Once I was a member of the synagogue that had a significant cadre that was not vaccinating their children, for homeopathic reasons. A number of members who were pediatricians became alarmed and noted that we might be losing our "herd immunity." Eventually Rabbis Moshe Tendler and Bleich (rather authoritative Orthodox experts in Bioethics) weighed in and they ruled that the Jewish law required them to vaccinate; that Jewish practice followed the dictates of science as supported by replicable data, not homeopathic theory. End of story.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:29:29pm |
re: #48 taxfreekiller
Its going to be a rough morning tomorrow for A.C.O.R.N. spin machines,
get your game ready.
Not so nice easy to screw with mother truth any more.
Both the left, the right, and the middle need to keep that lesson in mind, TFK. That said, your point is well taken. Another 3-4 ACORN assholes join the unemployed.
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:01pm |
re: #55 HelloDare
I'm against pancake syrup.
I'm an Anti-Auntie Jemima.
You don't look like one who'll waffle on this.
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:15pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:16pm |
re: #53 brookly red
warped? maybe a little bent but not warped.
If you bend it for long enough it tends to warp.
I have no personal knowledge but have heard this from other people.
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funky chicken Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:19pm |
Jenner’s interest in natural history and animal biology sharpened his medical understanding of the role of human-animal trans-species boundaries in disease transmission. He experienced the proverbial "Eureka"-like moment sometime during the 1770s, after hearing a Bristol milkmaid boast, "I shall never have smallpox for I have had cowpox. I shall never have an ugly pockmarked face."9 Two decades later he translated that farming lore into the guiding principle of his cowpox inoculation hypothesis. His cognizance that animals were implicated and necessary for vaccine production was truly prescient; it foreshadowed later use of cows, guinea pigs, rabbits, and even chicken eggs in vaccine production. However, this breach of the species barrier also made many people wary of and sometimes hostile to the idea of consciously introducing foreign animal products into their own bodies. During the early 1800s, for example, there was no shortage of cartoons mocking Jenner and depicting the transmogrification of the recently vaccinated into sickly cows and fantastical beasts.10Beyond cowpox. Although Jenner’s milkmaid experiments may now seem like quaint fables, they provided the scientific basis for vaccinology. This is all the more striking given that our current conceptions of vaccine development and therapy are now much more encompassing and firmly rooted in the science of immunology. Until the brilliant French chemist Louis Pasteur developed what he called a rabies vaccine in 1885, vaccines referred only to cowpox inoculation for smallpox.
Jenner and Pasteur didn't "steal" their ideas from Africa.
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solomonpanting Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:24pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
Wow! Another Virgo.
Happy Birthday!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:26pm |
re: #50 Spare O'Lake
Your dirty shower line is sheer brilliance. It expresses the exquisitely warped male libido to a tee.
It takes 2 to tango...Ya know...I thought it was humorous..
Are you insulting me by the warped libido line?
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:41pm |
re: #63 sattv4u2
Sorta like a going away present
We get the present because the "flouncer" goes away!
It's a fancy turd?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:30:57pm |
Ummm the first Czar was a Reagan appointee, the Drug Czar... Did you know that...
LOL!
Why are you here? UHHH... UMMM... HEalth care sucks... ummm and ...ummm...
And my fave, Barack Obama means antichrist in Hebrew...
Actually, Barack means lightning (and was biblically Devara's husband and general) and Obama has no cognate in Hebrew.
He said it with such certainty. I mean the guy actually believed this, and I know for certain he doesn't speak a word of Hebrew.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:31:09pm |
re: #66 MandyManners
You don't look like one who'll waffle on this.
If I were French I'd make toast out of that statement
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:31:11pm |
re: #63 sattv4u2
Sorta like a going away present
We get the present because the "flouncer" goes away!
Never mind, I googled the term and found an encyclopedia dramatica entry for the term "flounce"
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:31:35pm |
This is really disturbing stuff.
"We came unarmed this time" is everywhere on the far right.
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Kronocide Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:31:48pm |
re: #58 sattv4u2
Yes, eventually the circle comes around. I fact you could probably find some of the same people in both places.
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:17pm |
re: #68 Spare O'Lake
If you bend it for long enough it tends to warp.
I have no personal knowledge but have heard this from other people.
Is that you, Hillary?
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Gus Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:17pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Another lefty having fun at the Tea Party...
9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS
That kid is pretty good, and funny. I liked the interaction between him and the group starting around 6:47 regarding Czars. Was good to see that they didn't freak out when he told them about the first Czar being appointed by Reagan. One admitted that he didn't know and said that it was probably due to ignorance on his part -- the seemed willing to listen to him. The first Czar was really appointed by Nixon in 1973 with the Energy Czar and attributed to a Time magazine article. Van Jones position traces back to legislation signed by Nixon as well as part of the Council on Environmental Quality.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:23pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
Happy Birthday, Ludwig! Hope you have a great day!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:30pm |
And these are the people who are buying weapons and ammunition at a record pace.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:55pm |
re: #72 BigPapa
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We, all five of us salute you... and with that... We have one buddy who is good to drive, who just showed up... See you all later!
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Kronocide Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:32:55pm |
re: #72 BigPapa
Uh oh... One too many "jesus beck's" for Mandy, or she hates drinkin games!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:33:04pm |
re: #70 solomonpanting
Wow! Another Virgo.
Happy Birthday!
I'm a Virgo! I know..It is so embarrassing
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:33:08pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:33:33pm |
re: #60 Charles
I was looking at the forum in the first link on that page. At the bottom- they're complaining about LGF.
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:33:34pm |
Here's to hoping the rumor that President Obama called Kanye West a "Jackass" is true.
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:33:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:34:01pm |
re: #82 Charles
And these are the people who are buying weapons and ammunition at a record pace.
Well, my parents just came into some money. I think I'm going to ask them for funds to purchase body armor.
/kidding, but fairly worried
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solomonpanting Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:34:37pm |
re: #85 HoosierHoops
I'm a Virgo! I know..It is so embarrassing
Well, there's your sign.
Mine was last Thursday.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:34:45pm |
re: #88 Big Steve
Here's to hoping the rumor that President Obama called Kanye West a "Jackass" is true.
It would improve my opinion of Obama.
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:34:46pm |
re: #82 Charles
And these are the people who are buying weapons and ammunition at a record pace.
Not everyone buying that stuff is of that ilk.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:35:04pm |
re: #88 Big Steve
Here's to hoping the rumor that President Obama called Kanye West a "Jackass" is true.
I hope he said that, because West did act like a jackass. Beyonce, however, was a class act last night.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:08pm |
totally agree. i fear the moonbats in these pictures (scroll) are going to become the faces of the 9/12 rally [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] rather than the 99% of people who weren't doing stuff like that. CNN and LGF itselft are already doing their part.
note: this blog is supposedly 'conservative', but all it's done lately is ### and moan about birthers and creationists and put a lot less effort into pointing out the actions of the real enemies of this country. it used to be really good, but its gone seriously downhill as of late. i just posted it to point out the feelings of those 'without a horse in the race'.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:22pm |
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Lee Coller Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:39pm |
re: #1 arethusa
I've always known they were out there, but that a good number of people seem to be against vaccination just blows my mind. I mean, where would we be without vaccines like the smallpox vaccine?
Many of us would be dead.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:40pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:57pm |
re: #88 Big Steve
Here's to hoping the rumor that President Obama called Kanye West a "Jackass" is true.
/but he went on to blame kanye's behavior on failed policies of the past...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:36:58pm |
re: #3 Jewels (AKA Julian)
sorry to OT so early, but Patrick Swazye has passed away
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
WOLVERINES!
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:01pm |
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:01pm |
re: #92 Enkidu90046
It would improve my opinion of Obama.
Me too...I would give him a serious upding
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:14pm |
re: #64 zeir
Once I was a member of the synagogue that had a significant cadre that was not vaccinating their children, for homeopathic reasons. A number of members who were pediatricians became alarmed and noted that we might be losing our "herd immunity." Eventually Rabbis Moshe Tendler and Bleich (rather authoritative Orthodox experts in Bioethics) weighed in and they ruled that the Jewish law required them to vaccinate; that Jewish practice followed the dictates of science as supported by replicable data, not homeopathic theory. End of story.
Damn skippy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:19pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:37:28pm |
re: #91 solomonpanting
Well, there's your sign.
Mine was last Thursday.
Well It's messed up! What guy wants to be a Virgo? I read Linda Goodman's Sun Signs about a male virgo..Not even close..I need to write a book.. I hear there is big bucks in fiction..:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:38:11pm |
re: #69 funky chicken
Jenner and Pasteur didn't "steal" their ideas from Africa.
Someone say they did?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:38:13pm |
They're attacking me at VDARE, which is totally unexpected.
not really
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solomonpanting Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:38:23pm |
Just received this email:
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this:
You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal,' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery,' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians...It creates a hostile work environment.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:39:25pm |
re: #109 solomonpanting
Just received this email:
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this:
You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal,' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery,' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians...It creates a hostile work environment.
[smiles]
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:40:00pm |
re: #92 Enkidu90046
It would improve my opinion of Obama.
when he calls Peosie that, I will think about it.
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:40:00pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:40:23pm |
re: #74 LudwigVanQuixote
Ummm the first Czar was a Reagan appointee, the Drug Czar... Did you know that...
LOL!
Why are you here? UHHH... UMMM... HEalth care sucks... ummm and ...ummm...
And my fave, Barack Obama means antichrist in Hebrew...
Actually, Barack means lightning (and was biblically Devara's husband and general) and Obama has no cognate in Hebrew.
He said it with such certainty. I mean the guy actually believed this, and I know for certain he doesn't speak a word of Hebrew.
Actually, although Barak is 'lightning' in Hebrew, I think the Swahili name is from the Arabic cognate of "Baruch".
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Racer X Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:40:29pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Another lefty having fun at the Tea Party...
9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS
[Video]
Holy Carp!
The gene pool is a small pond for those folks.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:40:42pm |
re: #71 HoosierHoops
It takes 2 to tango...Ya know...I thought it was humorous..
Are you insulting me by the warped libido line?
You got a problem accepting a compliment?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:41:20pm |
re: #88 Big Steve
Here's to hoping the rumor that President Obama called Kanye West a "Jackass" is true.
I would like him much better if it were true!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:41:23pm |
re: #109 solomonpanting
Just received this email:
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this:
You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal,' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery,' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians...It creates a hostile work environment.
Not to be a killjoy, but the reason you can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is called the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:41:48pm |
re: #107 Charles
They're attacking me at VDARE, which is totally unexpected.
not really
That's rather a badge of honor actually. Not a place where you'd want to be liked.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:41:50pm |
re: #107 Charles
They're attacking me at VDARE, which is totally unexpected.
not really
You can tell a lot about someone by their enemies, and you've made all the right enemies, Charles.
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jorline Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:43:28pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:43:51pm |
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avanti Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:43:56pm |
re: #84 BigPapa
Uh oh... One too many "jesus beck's" for Mandy, or she hates drinkin games!
I like them, so I evened you out. No offense to Mandy
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jaunte Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:43:59pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
VDARE. Isn't that the group of guys that like to dress up in Confederate ball gowns?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:44:02pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:44:06pm |
People are trying to post links at LGF promoting the absurd claim that there were several million people at the DC tea party.
The right has become the left.
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solomonpanting Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:44:15pm |
re: #117 Charles
Not to be a killjoy, but the reason you can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is called the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
Yep. I was giving the practical, everyday reason, not the legal one.
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cliffster Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:44:40pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
Don't know or (more likely) don't care. They want to have things their way, and they don't think about the damage that might be caused. They see themselves as fighting autism and that means their motives and ends are pure, thus justifying lies and deceit. If this description reminds you of Tea Party fascists and Code Pink commies, that's because those groups walk the same road. It's all about them. Ego is easy, humility is hard.
Ever known a kid with autism? I won't ask whether you have a kid with autism, you've answered that.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:45:04pm |
re: #50 Spare O'Lake
Your dirty shower line is sheer brilliance. It expresses the exquisitely warped male libido to a tee.
psssttt..Hey I know you have make some snarky comments about me..It's cool...A couple of my jokes have offended you..If you got an issue with me just bring it..If this is a misunderstanding just say it..
Do we have an issue?
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:45:51pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:45:52pm |
re: #122 MandyManners
WHAT?
Yea, they were posting it on the other thread... so sad. He lived a long time though. Usually go quick. I had a friend who lived over a year with pancreatic cancer also.
So young :(
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46:22pm |
re: #126 Charles
People are trying to post links at LGF promoting the absurd claim that there were several million people at the DC tea party.
The right has become the left.
The right was always the left. I shall write a book to prove it, called "Conservative Socialism". It will sell millions.
///
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46:25pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46:42pm |
re: #124 jaunte
VDARE. Isn't that the group of guys that like to dress up in Confederate ball gowns?
I'm a Southern Belle and I'm ok?
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Salamantis Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:47:31pm |
re: #77 Charles
This is really disturbing stuff.
"We came unarmed this time" is everywhere on the far right.
The unspoken coda is a common leftist trope: "The fire next time."
- James Baldwin
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:47:35pm |
McNeil-Lehrer has a piece going on about Borlaug.
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cliffster Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:47:55pm |
re: #131 marjoriemoon
Yea, they were posting it on the other thread... so sad. He lived a long time though. Usually go quick. I had a friend who lived over a year with pancreatic cancer also.
So young :(
My aunt lived a year. They gave her a month, month and a half, max. But they also put her on an experimental treatment, which apparently worked well. It's still a nasty, nasty form of cancer, but they're making some progress.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:48:34pm |
re: #128 cliffster
Ever known a kid with autism? I won't ask whether you have a kid with autism, you've answered that.
No, I haven't. I take your point, but I'm not arguing that fighting autism is unimportant. It is quite important, but not at the expense of fighting a whole host of other diseases. The main thrust of my argument was that some people become so enamored with the righteous goal they are fighting for that they fail to see the damage their untrammeled pursuit of that goal may cause.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:49:02pm |
re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist
McNeil-Lehrer has a piece going on about Borlaug.
I still call it "McNeil-Lehrer" too... but I think the name is actually, "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer"
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:49:19pm |
re: #126 Charles
People are trying to post links at LGF promoting the absurd claim that there were several million people at the DC tea party.
The right has become the left.
Even Freedom Works has backed off it's esimate:
FreedomWorks Cuts Estimate For Crowd At Its 9/12 Rally By One Half
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:49:59pm |
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:50:28pm |
re: #129 HoosierHoops
psssttt..Hey I know you have make some snarky comments about me..It's cool...A couple of my jokes have offended you..If you got an issue with me just bring it..If this is a misunderstanding just say it..
Do we have an issue?
Look, none of your jokes have offended me. The shower line is one of the best lines I have heard around here, and so yes it is a misunderstanding on your part. Sheesh.
| 146 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:52:23pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
How of that guy's sock puppet's have you caught?
| 147 |
Gus Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:52:38pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
They're getting worse by the day.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:52:45pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:52:58pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
An Eastern Europe hosting company. All the malware you can run.
By now, the Russian Mob probably has all their credit card numbers.
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arethusa Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:08pm |
re: #117 Charles
People have the craziest ideas about the First Amendment these days. My local paper ran a letter to the editor today saying that schools who had chosen not to show Obama's speech to schools last week were violating his First Amendment rights. Since when did the First Amendment cover having people listen to you? So long as you get to speak, you've gotten your due.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:11pm |
re: #145 taxfreekiller
Bob Belch, his last throw down..."Bush"..
big fat dumb ass
It's the same as Obama: When you get jammed up by the facts, blame Bush.
/spits
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:34pm |
re: #137 cliffster
My aunt lived a year. They gave her a month, month and a half, max. But they also put her on an experimental treatment, which apparently worked well. It's still a nasty, nasty form of cancer, but they're making some progress.
Yes they are. It's great news really. Cancer research is phenomenal.
| 154 |
bosforus Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:43pm |
Is the anti-vaxer Jenny McCarthy the same Jenny McCarthy as the idiot bimbo blonde from the 90's MTV show Singled Out? I've wondered this often but never looked into it, fearing that it might be true.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:50pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
Why not..(just an idea ) on the private threads put up one more log in page?
In order to post or read on the private threads you need to really be logged in with all the active IP's recorded in MYSQL?
You know a lizard that hasn't posted in years logged in and monitored.. That old chestnut...It granulates the thread to only trusted lizards on private threads.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:56pm |
re: #140 Enkidu90046
I still call it "McNeil-Lehrer" too... but I think the name is actually, "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer"
You're right, but I can never remember that!
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DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:53:59pm |
re: #154 bosforus
Is the anti-vaxer Jenny McCarthy the same Jenny McCarthy as the idiot bimbo blonde from the 90's MTV show Singled Out? I've wondered this often but never looked into it, fearing that it might be true.
Same same
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:55:07pm |
re: #144 Spare O'Lake
Look, none of your jokes have offended me. The shower line is one of the best lines I have heard around here, and so yes it is a misunderstanding on your part. Sheesh.
Crap..I am so sorry..I gto you mixed up with a lizard that just freaked out the other night..I thought it was funny..I am so sorry
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cliffster Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:55:19pm |
re: #139 Dark_Falcon
No, I haven't. I take your point, but I'm not arguing that fighting autism is unimportant. It is quite important, but not at the expense of fighting a whole host of other diseases. The main thrust of my argument was that some people become so enamored with the righteous goal they are fighting for that they fail to see the damage their untrammeled pursuit of that goal may cause.
Thank you for saying that. At the same time, you have to keep in mind the context of what you are saying. Before you pass judgement on parents of kids with autism, keep in mind the unbelievable pain and frustration they feel, and the desperation with which they search for answers.
At the very least, understand that "If this description reminds you of Tea Party fascists and Code Pink commies, that's because those groups walk the same road" is mean, and an unfair characterization of the parents. They aren't self-righteous, they've just had their lives turned upside-down.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:56:01pm |
re: #155 HoosierHoops
Why not..(just an idea ) on the private threads put up one more log in page?
In order to post or read on the private threads you need to really be logged in with all the active IP's recorded in MYSQL?
You know a lizard that hasn't posted in years logged in and monitored.. That old chestnut...It granulates the thread to only trusted lizards on private threads.
No need. The Overlord Tool already sees all.
| 162 |
cheechako Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:56:34pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Another lefty having fun at the Tea Party...
9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS
Sad examples of American voters educations.
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:56:47pm |
re: #154 bosforus
Is the anti-vaxer Jenny McCarthy the same Jenny McCarthy as the idiot bimbo blonde from the 90's MTV show Singled Out? I've wondered this often but never looked into it, fearing that it might be true.
I often wondered if Jenny McCarthy even knows the chemical structure of Thiomersal...hint...it has nine carbons and a benzene ring backbone...no looking in Wiki...
| 164 |
DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:57:26pm |
Another one left us today..
Jody Powell... RIP
| 165 |
Salamantis Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:57:30pm |
re: #154 bosforus
Is the anti-vaxer Jenny McCarthy the same Jenny McCarthy as the idiot bimbo blonde from the 90's MTV show Singled Out? I've wondered this often but never looked into it, fearing that it might be true.
And in the movie comedy Basketball, she embraced a role as a woman who literally sucked the chrome off of trailer hitches.
| 166 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:57:41pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
Crap..I am so sorry..I gto you mixed up with a lizard that just freaked out the other night..I thought it was funny..I am so sorry
No problem, we are totally cool.
I have plently of brain farts too.
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DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:58:55pm |
re: #163 Big Steve
I often wondered if Jenny McCarthy even knows the chemical structure of Thiomersal...hint...it has nine carbons and a benzene ring backbone...no looking in Wiki...
There is something about bimbo blonds that manage to keep their 15 minutes of fame going for much longer...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:59:32pm |
re: #162 cheechako
Sad examples of American voters educations.
Agreed. The Tea Party thing is rotten to its core and based on bad information/lies/distortions spread by Fox News. Those people are not in any way connected to reality.
| 169 |
bosforus Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:59:54pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
Just let 'em keep heading east. Pretty soon they'll end up in Siberia. Where they can stay.
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Big Steve Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:00:10pm |
Proof, by the way, on why us lizards are so nice...we have human hearts...genetic link between reptile and human hearts
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DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:01:05pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
Agreed. The Tea Party thing is rotten to its core and based on bad information/lies/distortions spread by Fox News. Those people are not in any way connected to reality.
What information is incorrect ?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:01:35pm |
re: #159 cliffster
Thank you for saying that. At the same time, you have to keep in mind the context of what you are saying. Before you pass judgment on parents of kids with autism, keep in mind the unbelievable pain and frustration they feel, and the desperation with which they search for answers.
At the very least, understand that "If this description reminds you of Tea Party fascists and Code Pink commies, that's because those groups walk the same road" is mean, and an unfair characterization of the parents. They aren't self-righteous, they've just had their lives turned upside-down.
Fair enough. What I said was fairly harsh and probably too much for most such people. It's fears of things like autism ans other chronic that lead me to forswear love, marriage, or children. I could never play a long term support role in a case like that. Sooner or later, I'd get frustrated and flounce out the door. That speaks ill of me, I know, but I know myself well.
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Joshua Cohen Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:03:57pm |
Reminds me to check my vac-card!
Its 5 oh damn fecking early in the morning - "shift" is over, there was nothing to do so...well I will hit the rack in 5 mins.
Nice evening!
| 176 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:04:12pm |
re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote
Yom holedet sameach!
| 177 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:04:36pm |
I'm going to Israel tomorrow! Woohoo!
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cliffster Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:04:56pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
Fair enough. What I said was fairly harsh and probably too much for most such people. It's fears of things like autism ans other chronic that lead me to forswear love, marriage, or children. I could never play a long term support role in a case like that. Sooner or later, I'd get frustrated and flounce out the door. That speaks ill of me, I know, but I know myself well.
If you were in that situation, you would serve it admirably, I have little doubt.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:05:00pm |
re: #177 Alouette
I'm going to Israel tomorrow! Woohoo!
Oh yes? What fun! How long you staying? Where you going?
| 181 |
DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:05:17pm |
re: #177 Alouette
I'm going to Israel tomorrow! Woohoo!
Enjoy your time there. It's a very remarkable country to visit.
| 182 |
Joshua Cohen Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:06:04pm |
re: #177 Alouette
I'm going to Israel tomorrow! Woohoo!
Just remember: In Jerusalem - do not ride the bus! And if you do - do not talk to the bus driver - both things out of security concerns ;)
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:06:20pm |
re: #180 marjoriemoon
Oh yes? What fun! How long you staying? Where you going?
I'll be in Tzefat (at my daughter's) for the entire holiday month!
But I will go to Jerusalem for a couple of days.
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Salamantis Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:06:36pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
The right was always the left. I shall write a book to prove it, called "Conservative Socialism". It will sell millions.
///
That sounds like as lucrative an idea as my suggestion of Cthulhu RealDolls!
| 185 |
Sharmuta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:06:42pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
Agreed. The Tea Party thing is rotten to its core and based on bad information/lies/distortions spread by Fox News. Those people are not in any way connected to reality.
I found a libertarian blog with one guy whining the tea parties have been co-opted by republicans!
| 186 |
Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:06:44pm |
Anyone else watching this MNF game?
Amazing come back from the Pats. Down 11 with something like 4 minutes left in the game, They scored two touchdowns, with the the go-ahead TD with less than a minute left in the game to go ahead by 1 (they just missed the 2 point conversion).
Brady is back.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:07:29pm |
re: #182 Joshua Cohen
Just remember: In Jerusalem - do not ride the bus! And if you do - do not talk to the bus driver - both things out of security concerns ;)
Of course I am going to ride the bus! You think I am going to walk? I won't ride in one of those "mehadrin" buses even though I am Hasidic. I think that is just nuts.
| 188 |
Salamantis Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:07:32pm |
re: #182 Joshua Cohen
Just remember: In Jerusalem - do not ride the bus! And if you do - do not talk to the bus driver - both things out of security concerns ;)
In Russia bus ride you!
/and anywhere around Obama
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DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:07:41pm |
re: #186 Enkidu90046
Anyone else watching this MNF game?
Amazing come back from the Pats. Down 11 with something like 4 minutes left in the game, They scored two touchdowns, with the the go-ahead TD with less than a minute left in the game to go ahead by 1 (they just missed the 2 point conversion).
Brady is back.
I'm not a Patriots fan but you have to appreciate a good team.. which they are..
| 190 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:07:45pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
That is really interesting.
It really highlights the virtual impossibility of effectively regulating content on the web - a real weakness when we are talking about dealing with criminal conduct.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:08:05pm |
re: #186 Enkidu90046
Anyone else watching this MNF game?
Amazing come back from the Pats. Down 11 with something like 4 minutes left in the game, They scored two touchdowns, with the the go-ahead TD with less than a minute left in the game to go ahead by 1 (they just missed the 2 point conversion).
Brady is back.
The Pat's didn't cover the spread..A lot of people lost a lot of money tonight..Haha
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:08:18pm |
re: #183 Alouette
I'll be in Tzefat (at my daughter's) for the entire holiday month!
But I will go to Jerusalem for a couple of days.
Oh boy!! Most lovely area. I only visited once and spent one day in Tzefat. Would love to spend a month. Pick up lots of pretty things while you're there.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:09:01pm |
re: #192 marjoriemoon
Oh boy!! Most lovely area. I only visited once and spent one day in Tzefat. Would love to spend a month. Pick up lots of pretty things while you're there.
I plan on picking up my grandkids a lot. :)
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The Shadow Do Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:09:04pm |
re: #186 Enkidu90046
Anyone else watching this MNF game?
Amazing come back from the Pats. Down 11 with something like 4 minutes left in the game, They scored two touchdowns, with the the go-ahead TD with less than a minute left in the game to go ahead by 1 (they just missed the 2 point conversion).
Brady is back.
TO!
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:09:41pm |
Anyone who knows anything about history, or at least of history before 1900, could not help to praise the development of vaccinations (as well as the work of Norman Borlaug).
I know people who had Polio. My mother always said that the announcement of the polio vaccine, which came in around the time my sister was born, was the most joyous news she'd ever heard. Her best friend as an adult was a polio victim; her best friend as a child had died of whooping cough.
Only people who have been spoiled in the aftermath of the tremendous advances in preventative medicine since the 1940s could oppose routine vaccination of children.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:09:47pm |
re: #193 Alouette
I plan on picking up my grandkids a lot. :)
lol well there ya go! How long has your daughter/family been in Israel? If you don't mind the question.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:03pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
The Pat's didn't cover the spread..A lot of people lost a lot of money tonight..Haha
I'm not worried about the spread, I just wanted to see a good game. The only time I want to see a blowout is when the Seahawks are playing (a blowout in favor of the 'Hawks, of course).
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:13pm |
re: #183 Alouette
Have a great trip! I'm supremely jealous.
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cliffster Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:14pm |
re: #186 Enkidu90046
Anyone else watching this MNF game?
Amazing come back from the Pats. Down 11 with something like 4 minutes left in the game, They scored two touchdowns, with the the go-ahead TD with less than a minute left in the game to go ahead by 1 (they just missed the 2 point conversion).
Brady is back.
My question is, why do you take the kickoff out of the endzone with a five point lead? Take a knee. Run the ball a couple of times. Get the first down - over. Don't get it? Punt, and the Pats have < 1 minute to get a touchdown with no timeouts.
Instead, they are down and have 30 seconds to march down the field themselves.
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lawhawk Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:21pm |
re: #183 Alouette
Two of my favorite places - Tzvat and Jerusalem... have fun!
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:10:40pm |
re: #196 marjoriemoon
lol well there ya go! How long has your daughter/family been in Israel? If you don't mind the question.
My daughter has lived there for 5 years, since she got married. Her husband is not Israeli, he's a Texan.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:11:11pm |
re: #200 cliffster
My question is, why do you take the kickoff out of the endzone with a five point lead? Take a knee. Run the ball a couple of times. Get the first down - over. Don't get it? Punt, and the Pats have < 1 minute to get a touchdown with no timeouts.
Instead, they are down and have 30 seconds to march down the field themselves.
Agree... it was a stupid decision.
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:12:50pm |
What a finish.
Tom Terrific does it again.
Any guy who bagged Giselle is my hero.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:13:03pm |
re: #200 cliffster
Thank you for your kinds words and correction earlier, cliff.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:13:17pm |
re: #202 Alouette
My daughter has lived there for 5 years, since she got married. Her husband is not Israeli, he's a Texan.
How funny! I'm just picturing the accent. I have some family there, sort of newly discovered (last 10 years). I'd love to visit again with something other than Facebook. Hard to put away the funds these days.
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:14:05pm |
re: #200 cliffster
why do you take the kickoff out of the endzone with a five point lead?
Ego-driven brain fart.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:14:36pm |
re: #202 Alouette
My daughter has lived there for 5 years, since she got married. Her husband is not Israeli, he's a Texan.
L'shana Tova, ya'll!! hehehe
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Salamantis Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:14:53pm |
The big score today is 83 - 7; that's the margin of victory in the senate for a bill to defund ACORN in the waks of the multi-city video illegal immigrant underage hooker tax evasion home obtainment scandal.
Obviously, a large majority of Dems also supported it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:15:28pm |
re: #209 Salamantis
The big score today is 83 - 7; that's the margin of victory in the senate for a bill to defund ACORN in the waks of the multi-city video illegal immigrant underage hooker tax evasion home obtainment scandal.
Obviously, a large majority of Dems also supported it.
In politics, nobody wants to be near the stinky fish.
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:16:14pm |
re: #210 EmmmieG
In politics, nobody wants to be near the stinky fish.
Or end up sleeping with it come November 2010.
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DrNaughty Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:16:29pm |
re: #209 Salamantis
The big score today is 83 - 7; that's the margin of victory in the senate for a bill to defund ACORN in the waks of the multi-city video illegal immigrant underage hooker tax evasion home obtainment scandal.
Obviously, a large majority of Dems also supported it.
According to Briebart, there are more videos to be released...
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:17:42pm |
re: #200 cliffster
My question is, why do you take the kickoff out of the endzone with a five point lead? Take a knee. Run the ball a couple of times. Get the first down - over. Don't get it? Punt, and the Pats have < 1 minute to get a touchdown with no timeouts.
Instead, they are down and have 30 seconds to march down the field themselves.
Great game! Now the Raiders are on..I grew up a Raiders fan from Napa...It doesn't matter how bad they are..If you are a lifelong Raiders fan you can't help it...We always said you could wear a Raider jersey on 98th street on a Saturday night and be safer than the President in Air Force one...*wink*
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Irish Rose Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:18:27pm |
re: #142 Charles
The stalker blog has posted all the comments from today's private thread, up to the point where I discovered that "avideditor" was lurking with a sock puppet account, on a website hosted in Lithuania.
They're now forced to go to shady web hosts in Eastern Europe to do their dirty business. And that's a good thing.
It is a good thing, although I did see them discussing a potential move to a foreign server a couple of weeks ago.
I've put up posts on my blog about their genocide and assassination fantasies, and I always included a direct link to the Deuce. Recent clickthroughs to their little hate blog have come from the Pentagon and other official sources... the feds have been watching them closely for a while now.
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Bear Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:18:37pm |
re: #195 Lucius Septimius
As a kid growing up in the 1930s I often wanted to go swimming during the hot Summer days. However the folks would not let me because of the fear of polio.
The first small pox vac was when I was 18 and wanted a job at the railroad shops.
Then in the Army had all sorts of shots.
I get flu shots every year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:20:36pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
Fair enough. What I said was fairly harsh and probably too much for most such people. It's fears of things like autism ans other chronic that lead me to forswear love, marriage, or children. I could never play a long term support role in a case like that. Sooner or later, I'd get frustrated and flounce out the door. That speaks ill of me, I know, but I know myself well.
What would speak ill of you would be getting married, having children, and then flouncing. Just sayin'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:21:00pm |
re: #178 cliffster
If you were in that situation, you would serve it admirably, I have little doubt.
And what he said.
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solomonpanting Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:22:31pm |
BTW, there is one court house where The Ten Commandments are posted, both inside and outside the building. But that must be why it's called the Supreme Court Building.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:23:12pm |
re: #107 Charles
They're attacking me at VDARE, which is totally unexpected.
not really
Well dip mah nuts in car'mel and call me a praline!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:23:35pm |
re: #209 Salamantis
The big score today is 83 - 7; that's the margin of victory in the senate for a bill to defund ACORN in the waks of the multi-city video illegal immigrant underage hooker tax evasion home obtainment scandal.
Obviously, a large majority of Dems also supported it.
re: #212 DrNaughty
According to Briebart, there are more videos to be released...
Give O'Keefe credit, he knows how to use a story to damage an organization. By releasing the tapes one at a time, he keeps the story alive and keeps forcing ACORN to purge its offices. He's obviously playing the story to inflict maximum damage. If it sounds like I approve, that's because I do. I think that the ruining of ACORN would be a good thing.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:26:05pm |
re: #195 Lucius Septimius
Anyone who knows anything about history, or at least of history before 1900, could not help to praise the development of vaccinations (as well as the work of Norman Borlaug).
I know people who had Polio. My mother always said that the announcement of the polio vaccine, which came in around the time my sister was born, was the most joyous news she'd ever heard. Her best friend as an adult was a polio victim; her best friend as a child had died of whooping cough.
Only people who have been spoiled in the aftermath of the tremendous advances in preventative medicine since the 1940s could oppose routine vaccination of children.
No kidding. The worst stretch my father ever had was when he had to work on polio victims by day, then maybe bring it home to us kids at night. No way out---it was a true Sword of Damocles situation.
Jonas Salk put that sword on a rope, not a thread. Now, the antivaxers are snipping the fibers of that rope. It'll hold anyhow, while they are few and rightly disregarded, but dang, how obtuse and wrong headed can you get?
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Lucius Septimius Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:27:26pm |
re: #222 lostlakehiker
No kidding. The worst stretch my father ever had was when he had to work on polio victims by day, then maybe bring it home to us kids at night. No way out---it was a true Sword of Damocles situation.
Jonas Salk put that sword on a rope, not a thread. Now, the antivaxers are snipping the fibers of that rope. It'll hold anyhow, while they are few and rightly disregarded, but dang, how obtuse and wrong headed can you get?
Hey, C'mon. Jennie McCarthy is really hot! That makes her an expert, right?
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:27:57pm |
re: #214 Irish Rose
Not much is loading over there currently outside the main page.
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:28:31pm |
re: #220 Throbert McGee
Well dip mah nuts in car'mel and call me a praline!
lol that was funny. Sick and demented but funny!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:28:48pm |
re: #223 Lucius Septimius
Hey, C'mon. Jennie McCarthy is really hot! That makes her an expert, right?
Nope, but it means she's able to push her views, because her picture still sells magazines.
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Bear Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:29:01pm |
re: #222 lostlakehiker
The stories about persons having to be in Iron Lungs scared me about polio.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:32:00pm |
re: #225 marjoriemoon
lol that was funny. Sick and demented but funny!
Well, thanks, but... uh... what's a man gotta do to earn good karma around here?
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:33:00pm |
re: #213 HoosierHoops
Great game! Now the Raiders are on..I grew up a Raiders fan from Napa...It doesn't matter how bad they are..If you are a lifelong Raiders fan you can't help it...We always said you could wear a Raider jersey on 98th street on a Saturday night and be safer than the President in Air Force one...*wink*
Being a Seahawks fan, I have always been, and still am, a Raider-hater.
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funky chicken Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:34:35pm |
Inoculation, hereafter referred to as variolation, was likely practiced in Africa, India, and China long before the 18th century, when it was introduced to Europe (9). In 1670, Circassian traders introduced variolation to the Turkish “Ottoman” Empire. Women from the Caucasus, who were in great demand in the Turkish sultan's harem in Istanbul because of their legendary beauty, were inoculated as children in parts of their bodies where scars would not be seen. These women must also have brought the practice of variolation to the court of the Sublime Porte (4, 10).
Variolation came to Europe at the beginning of the 18th century with the arrival of travelers from Istanbul. In 1714, the Royal Society of London received a letter from Emanuel Timoni describing the technique of variolation, which he had witnessed in Istanbul. A similar letter was sent by Giacomo Pilarino in 1716. These reports described the practice of subcutaneous inoculation; however, they did not change the ways of the conservative English physicians.
It was the continued advocacy of the English aristocrat Lady Mary Wortley Montague (Figure (Figure22) that was responsible for the introduction of variolation in England (10). In 1715, Lady Montague suffered from an episode of smallpox, which severely disfigured her beautiful face. Her 20-year-old brother died of the illness 18 months later. In 1717, Lady Montague's husband, Edward Wortley Montague, was appointed ambassador to the Sublime Porte. A few weeks after their arrival in Istanbul, Lady Montague wrote to her friend about the method of variolation used at the Ottoman court. Lady Montague was so determined to prevent the ravages of smallpox that she ordered the embassy surgeon, Charles Maitland, to inoculate her 5-year-old son. The inoculation procedure was performed in March 1718. Upon their return to London in April 1721, Lady Montague had Charles Maitland inoculate her 4-year-old daughter in the presence of physicians of the royal court.
[Link: www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...]
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What, me worry? Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:34:59pm |
re: #228 Throbert McGee
Well, thanks, but... uh... what's a man gotta do to earn good karma around here?
Well I'm sold!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:35:36pm |
re: #229 Enkidu90046
Being a Seahawks fan, I have always been, and still am, a Raider-hater.
It's the law!
Nice meeting you...Go Raiders!
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funky chicken Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:40:44pm |
The regular practice of variolation reached the New World in 1721 (9). Under the guidance of the Rev. Cotton Mather (1663–1728) and Dr. Zabdiel Boylston (1679–1766), variolation became quite popular in the colonies. Mather, a graduate of Harvard College, was always very interested in science and medicine. When a ship from the West Indies carried persons sick with smallpox into Boston in 1721, an epidemic broke out in Boston and other parts of Massachusetts. Mather wrote a cautious letter recommending immediate variolation. However, he persuaded only Dr. Boylston. With Mather's support, Boylston immediately started a variolation program and continued to inoculate many volunteers, despite many adversaries in both the public and the medical community in Boston. As the disease spread, so did the controversy around Mather and Boylston (12). At the height of the epidemic, a bomb was thrown into Mather's house.
To make their point, Mather and Boylston used a statistical approach to compare the mortality rate of natural smallpox infection with that contracted by variolation. During the great epidemic of 1721, approximately half of Boston's 12,000 citizens contracted smallpox. The fatality rate for the naturally contracted disease was 14%, whereas Boylston and Mather reported a mortality rate of only 2% among variolated individuals (12). This may have been the first time that comparative analysis was used to evaluate a medical procedure.
[Link: www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...]
highly recommend the article, and especially the early experiments and work of Maitland...very Dickensian, but effective, I suppose.
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Enkidu90046 Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:41:52pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
It's the law!
Nice meeting you...Go Raiders!
I recall despising Lyle Alzedo in the early 1980s... although as a very young kid, I met Killer Lawrence at dinner when my parents decided to eat out... they happened to eat out at the hotel where the Raiders were staying to play the Seahawks the next day. I was loudly complaining and refusing to eat my vegetables, when Killer Lawrence came to the table to ask what the problem was. When told, Killer promised me that if I ate my veggies I would grow up to be as big and strong as him. He also convinced me to root for the Raiders against the Seahawks (the only time I actually did)... of course, the Seahawks ended up blowing out the Raiders (and I am still waiting to grow up to be as big and strong as Killer Lawrence).
Nice to meet you too.
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Irish Rose Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:45:35pm |
Barack Obama = anti-Christ... wow.
These people make me ill.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:58:55pm |
Hmmm, my 20-year high school reunion is this Saturday, and I've been going through kind of a long and weird process this summer of reestablishing friendships with my two best friends from high school. I broke off contact with them rather abruptly after college, because I'd come out about how I felt about guys during my fourth year at UVa, and they were super-ultra born-again Christians and just incredibly clueless about homosexuality. Not mean or anything -- just clueless, and I had to get away from them for a while. Then "a while" turned into a dozen years of no contact, which I rationalized as normal because I was a military brat and was accustomed to losing touch with friends every 2-4 years.
ANYWAY, I'm overjoyed to be back in regular communication with them via Facebook, but the vaccination issue is one of those topics I've been dancing around, because one of my friends happens to have an autistic son, and I'm a little scared of the possibility that my friend might turn out to be anti-vaccine kooks. Of course I know that it's silly of me to worry about THIS issue, given that I was entirely willing to put up with their belief in the pre-Tribulation ~*RAPTURE*~™ and Young Earth Creationism back in the day (They're over that now. At least the Rapture part...), so it's not like I would stop loving them if they did turn out to be anti-vaccine nutters. But still, it would be such a relief to find out that this is ONE wart I don't have to deal with!
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Jimmah Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:05:44pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't mean to completely hijack this thread, but, well OK I do a little... It's now my birthday.
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shane Mon, Sep 14, 2009 9:18:46pm |
How could anybody be stupid enough to beleive vaccines are a bad thing? what about the diseases themselves? Idiots.
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zelnaga Mon, Sep 14, 2009 10:07:52pm |
If vaccines stopped containing thiomersal in 2002, presumably those that thought thiomersal was causing autism, regardless of whether or not it actually was, would have stopped their anti-vaccination campaigns back in 2002. Yet that doesn't seem to have happened. And now, I'm not even sure what such people want. If thiomersals removal didn't satisfy them, what will? Do vaccines have to contain the anti-matter counterpart to thiomersal before they'll be satisfied?
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Ian MacGregor Mon, Sep 14, 2009 10:42:18pm |
Autism lends itself very well to conspiracy theories. The condition does not manifest itself immediately, or at least not in a conspicuous manner. Then usually around the child's second birthday regression occurs. The child may lose the ability to speak, become quite violent, lose interest seemingly in everything, and start hand flapping etc.
Because the child often appeared normal to the parents, before the regression, they often search for an event which occurred directly before it. Ah it happened soon after that vaccination. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
On the web a community forms of like-minded people. It spreads into the medical community. Parent have their children chelated, some improve, the chelation is given the credit, instead of normal development and people become even more convinced it is the vaccines. Most of the doctors are not trying to defraud the parents of an autistic child, they truly believe they are helping.
Stories spread and while data is not the plural of anecdote, they often have a strong impact on parents who are very worried over their child's future.
It is a very sad situation.
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RexMundi Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:44:20pm |
Novella is one sharp individual who cares very much that people receive accurate medical information. I really like him.
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Joshua Cohen Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:19:39am |
re: #187 Alouette
Of course I am going to ride the bus! You think I am going to walk? I won't ride in one of those "mehadrin" buses even though I am Hasidic. I think that is just nuts.
Ok let me explain it. First warning was related to the Intifada...thanx to the security barrier this is not such a problem anymore, but the second...some Israeli and especially bus drivers tend to gesticulate a lot while talking.
So talking with them while driving is not recommended ;) - I died a hundreds deads out of fear just because of this.
A small joke gone wrong, mkay?
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Seax Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:34:34am |
Re 239,240.
Two families I know of would disagree with you.
If it wasn't/isn't thiomersal then what is causing
the reactions/deaths/autism etc?
The USA has spent millions on pay outs for vaccine damaged cases.
Yes vaccines can work - but...and here is the question
what actually is causing all the medical mayhem?
Vaccinating kids too young - too much in them - what?( name calling isn't going to solve it)
Is anyone trying to find out?Yes I know there has been studies and yet people still are getting damaged.So it must be something else right? (What?)
In my country they did a study to find out the main causes of what was causing meningitis spikes- they concluded that it was overcrowding and the ususal poor lower social economic situations etc etc.The government made policy to improve living conditions etc etc - all bright and cherry. That was then thrown in the too hard basket and they decided to vaccinate the whole of the country's school children.
Result - quite a number of schools closed down for a while because the kids were too sick - some died.My cousin's kids were vaccinated - his son just died recently from meningitis.
What has changed that is causing all this mayhem damage? Anyone...???
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