Overnight Open Thread, with Electric Car
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Here’s your traditional overnight open thread, with another excellent video from the new kids’ album by They Might Be Giants, Here Comes Science.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:08:04am |
Obviously a subversive communist plot to deny Americans of their right to oil.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:13am |
Supposedly Audi is going to reveal their electric car today. If it actually looks like an Audi and not a toy or a golf cart it might be interesting.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:12am |
I haven't seen brainwashing aimed at children this bad since the President spoke on the first say of school. The brutes!
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:12:14am |
re: #2 ArchangelMichael
Supposedly Audi is going to reveal their electric car today. If it actually looks like an Audi and not a toy or a golf cart it might be interesting.
I don't care what they come out with- it couldn't top this hybrid BMW
Seriously bad ass looking.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:16:13am |
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:16:49am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
I don't care what they come out with- it couldn't top this hybrid BMW
Seriously bad ass looking.
Yes it is, but that will never see the streets as is, and if it does it will cost like 200k.
I'm looking for shit I could afford and still have a prayer at being able to pay a mortgage.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:19:39am |
Charlize Theron is amazing. Arguably the most beautiful woman on the planet. Too bad she has shit-for-brains politically.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:19:43am |
I've watched the video now, and I have a few thoughts:
Cute animation, catchy song... flounce quotient: high.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:16am |
re: #8 Sharmuta
I've watched the video now, and I have a few thoughts:
Cute animation, catchy song... flounce quotient: high.
No doubt. Especially when the entrance to that bear cave looks so much like a vagina.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:32am |
Dice-K's supposed to start for Boston tomorrow.
We're at the more problematic time of the year for teams (especially those within a few games of a playoff spot) who have a player coming off the DL, since the minor-league season is basically over now (not counting each league's respective playoffs) and there's nowhere to else to put them in an actual game situation to accurately gauge their readiness.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:16am |
What is it like, three games up on Texas now? I think it's pretty safe.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:30:08am |
SONIC WEAPONS USED IN IRAQ POSITIONED AT CONGRESSIONAL TOWNHALL MEETINGS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY
“Long-range acoustic devices [LRADs] for crowd control can be extremely dangerous. These are used in Iraq to control insurgents. They can cause serious and lasting harm to humans…We want to know WHY our Sheriff Dept has this weapon,” Sal Magallanez of San Diego-based Liberty One Radio said in an e-mail sent to East County Magazine, prompting a joint investigation.
The device was stationed by San Diego County Sheriff deputies at a recent town hall forum hosted by Congresswoman Susan Davis (D-San Diego) in Spring Valley and at a subsequent town hall with Congressman Darrell Issa (R-San Diego). The Davis Rally drew an estimated 1,300-1,500 people, including vocal conservative and liberal protest groups.
A public records search conducted by East County Magazine has confirmed that the device is an LRAD 500-x manufactured by San Diego-based American Technology Corporation (ATC). Capable of use as an effective loudspeaker, the LRAD also has the ability to emit a deafening tone aimed at incapacitating and dispersing a crowd without use of lethal force.
/brown note comes to California civilian law enforcement
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:31am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
I don't care what they come out with- it couldn't top this hybrid BMW
Seriously bad ass looking.
Apparently it's an electric version of the Audi R8... which bums me out. A "normal" R8 is like a 120 grand sports car.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:39am |
re: #11 TheMatrix31
Wouldn't speak too well about our longevity in October if Texas came anywhere near closing the gap in September.
I know Colorado got to the WS two years ago after a 1-game playoff for the NL Wild Card and the Tribe was breathing down the ChiSox's neck the last month of the regular season in 2005- but the more distance Boston puts between themselves and the Rangers, the better.
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sngnsgt Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:51am |
Here's a shocker:
Durbin, Burris Vote to Continue Funding Acorn
Senator Mike Johanns (R-NE) introduced an amendment to the HUD and Transportation appropriation bill to strip ACORN of all federal funding. A week ago, Johanns wouldn’t have gotten the amendment to the floor. Today, however, after three straight days of BigGovernment.com’s video exposés of ACORN offices in Washington DC, New York City, and Baltimore offering assistance to pimping, tax evasion, and trafficking in underage Salvadorean girls, Johanns not only got his vote — but he got an impressive bipartisan showing. The Senate passed the Johanns amendment 83-7.The seven Senators supporting ACORN:
Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Roland Burris (D-IL)
Robert Casey (D-PA)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:36:44am |
re: #13 ArchangelMichael
Apparently it's an electric version of the Audi R8... which bums me out. A "normal" R8 is like a 120 grand sports car.
That is hot.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:52:09am |
Well, besides Dice-K and Wakefield, I was also thinking about Jake Peavy and how ready he'd be for the ChiSox for the final couple of weeks.
IIRC, the White Sox are 5 or 6 games out. Difficult, but not impossible to make up ground against Detroit or Minnestoa.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:34am |
re: #18 Fenway_Nation
It's gonna be interesting to see how Peavy does. Even if Chicago were to somehow make it, he SUCKS as a postseason pitcher. I dunno. At this point, I just want the Dodgers to fail.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:11am |
re: #3 Sharmuta
I haven't seen brainwashing aimed at children this bad since the President spoke on the first say of school. The brutes!
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I wanted to counteract it with the Veggietales' "Sport Utility Vehicle" song, but it's not on YouTube (at least, not in an unaltered nonlame form).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:02:24am |
re: #20 JamesTKirk
I wanted to counteract it with the Veggietales' "Sport Utility Vehicle" song, but it's not on YouTube (at least, not in an unaltered nonlame form).
Wait, what? Do you mean to tell me there is a way to alter anything Veggietales in such a way that makes it more lame?
Unpossible!
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:05:38am |
Stumbled across this announcement just now.
Could be a nice little way to fill the gap between Monday Night Football and Wednesday Night Baseball...
Looks like our choices are going to be the Sacramento Rivercats (Oakland Affiliate) or Memphis Redbirds (St. Louis Afilliate) versus the Durham Bulls (Tampa Bay affiliate) or Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees (BOOO! Hisss!)
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freetoken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:09:42am |
re: #20 JamesTKirk
I wanted to counteract it with the Veggietales' "Sport Utility Vehicle" song, but it's not on YouTube (at least, not in an unaltered nonlame form).
You mean this one?
[Link: mog.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:11:49am |
Sharm, did you just send me something?
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:16:48am |
re: #12 Killian Bundy
SONIC WEAPONS USED IN IRAQ POSITIONED AT CONGRESSIONAL TOWNHALL MEETINGS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY
/brown note comes to California civilian law enforcement
OMG! And it's been cleverly disguised to look exactly like a public address speaker! With a guy in some kind of uniform strolling past it at random!
Those ingenious bastards!
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:30:02am |
I'm not interested unless your electric car can physically fly.
/still in "I want my jetpack!" mode
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:36:09am |
Good Dead of Night LGF.
I hate when I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep.
ARGH!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:37:51am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:54:44am |
So, I did orientation yesterday for a new job, driving a small tractor. Suppose to start today. Got a call late yesterday afternoon saying my tractor didn't arrive, so I can take Tuesday off, see ya Wednesday. This seems to be going well so far.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:58:07am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:00:13am |
I was just watching CNN. They had a rather nasty and vigorous debate about the issue of providing free health care to illegals. I got the feeling that both sides had gotten most of their arguments from reading a couple of LGF threads, and it reminded me just how topical and informative the posts and debates on this site usually are.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:02:06am |
re: #33 Fenway_Nation
What did you think about the MNF game? Is it sometimes better to be lucky than good? The Pats moved the ball all night but couldn't finish a drive until the end of the game.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:02:25am |
re: #35 Spare O'Lake
Not a whole lot going on in the domicile of the Green Monster last night. The real excitement was about 30 miles down the road in Foxboro.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:03:47am |
re: #36 Spare O'Lake
They are TV morons. I could pick people off of LGF from the right to debate lefty talking heads and the other way around. TV poli people are as predictable as announcers for football.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:05:09am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
They are TV morons. I could pick people off of LGF from the right to debate lefty talking heads and the other way around. TV poli people are as predictable as announcers for football.
And sometimes they are one and the same.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:05:11am |
re: #37 soxfan4life
I thought the Pats were conceding the game with just over 2 minutes when they kicked off instead of trying for the on-side kick. All the Bills special teams had to do was take a knee in the end zone, have the offense come on, get a first down (which they weren't having too much trouble doing) and bleed the clock.
Bills special-teams gift wrapped that one for us.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:06:10am |
re: #41 Fenway_Nation
Any word on Mayo's injury?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:06:50am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of which, Mike & Mike and Steve Young were terrible calling that Oakland/SD game.
Madden's gone and we have these ESPN clowns and 0lberdouche?
It's like we're being punished...
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:07:47am |
I wish Toronto could get an NFL franchise. The CFL really sucks.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:07:55am |
re: #43 Fenway_Nation
Speaking of which, Mike & Mike and Steve Young were terrible calling that Oakland/SD game.
Madden's gone and we have these ESPN clowns and 0lberdouche?
It's like we're being punished...
They won!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:08:12am |
re: #43 Fenway_Nation
I wasn't up that late but I have seen them. The best combo I have seen lately is Joe Buck/ Troy Aikman.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:08:37am |
re: #43 Fenway_Nation
Mike Golic has said he would like a shot at the slot Jon Gruden has if Gruden returns to coaching. Hopefully there is someone else out there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:08:48am |
re: #44 Spare O'Lake
I wish Toronto could get an NFL franchise. The CFL really sucks.
I hope Hamilton gets NHL hockey.:)
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:10:39am |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wasn't up that late but I have seen them. The best combo I have seen lately is Joe Buck/ Troy Aikman.
I am pleasantly surprised by the job Aikman does. Sportscasting, at first blush, would not have appeared to me to be something that came naturally to Troy. My guess is that he put in a lot of hours of practice.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:11:15am |
re: #42 soxfan4life
No word on Mayo yet, but then again Belichick usually plays that sort of thing close to the hoodie vest.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:11:43am |
If Gollum Wrote Haiku:
fat stupid hobbits
false tricksy thieves they are yes
we hates them precious
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:11:52am |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope Hamilton gets NHL hockey.:)
Me too. And that little creep Bettman needs to be shown the door.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:12:30am |
re: #50 Fenway_Nation
Too bad about Brian Urlacher, hate to see big name players out after week 1 especially after last year.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:12:34am |
re: #49 Pianobuff
I am pleasantly surprised by the job Aikman does. Sportscasting, at first blush, would not have appeared to me to be something that came naturally to Troy. My guess is that he put in a lot of hours of practice.
John Lynch did some pre season games for the Bucs with Chris Myers. Not real good.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:13:27am |
re: #53 Fenway_Nation
He would be a good fit, seemed good in the post game last night.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:13:30am |
re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar
John Lynch did some pre season games for the Bucs with Chris Myers. Not real good.
Remember Dennis Miller's brief stint in the booth?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:14:02am |
On a slightly different note, I wonder how much longer Kevin Millar is going to be playing baseball. That guy would be right at home on NESN or the MLB Network.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:14:09am |
re: #52 Spare O'Lake
Me too. And that little creep Bettman needs to be shown the door.
Bettman would rather keep a team in the states with small attendance then have a team that will sell out for the next 40 years. Good call, Bettman. Idiot.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:14:22am |
re: #57 Pianobuff
After watching Tony Kornheiser I missed Dennis Miller in the booth.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:15:00am |
re: #56 soxfan4life
I'd prefer to see him on the field, still...but the man has nothing left to prove.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:15:20am |
re: #60 soxfan4life
After watching Tony Kornheiser I missed Dennis Miller in the booth.
I hate Kornheiser with a red hot hate.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:15:58am |
re: #60 soxfan4life
After watching Tony Kornheiser I missed Dennis Miller in the booth.
Heh. Even though he took a lot of ribbing for it, Miller entertained me when announcing. Probably the nerd and trivial pursuit fan in me.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:16:02am |
re: #57 Pianobuff
I didn't think Miller was that bad.
After enduring Tony Kornheiser, having Miller on MNF looked like a stroke of genius in hindsight...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:16:45am |
Gus Johnson's call of the Denver/Cincy final play was fucking amazing.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:17:17am |
re: #65 TheMatrix31
Gus Johnson's call of the Denver/Cincy final play was fucking amazing.
Is that on tape anywhere?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:17:23am |
Dennis Miller just needed to check his smarts at the door. He is very smart, but this is football.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:17:33am |
re: #58 Fenway_Nation
He would be a good fit for NESN and the Sox, especially if Remy can't go on any more. When Time Warner hooked up my cable here in TX they informed me that there was not enough season left to make extra innings available so I have to watch ESPN coverage or go to the sports bar and watch with no sound until next spring.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:18:55am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:19:44am |
re: #68 soxfan4life
For now, my choices are ESPN coverage or listening to the WRKO play-by-play on XM Radio.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:19:58am |
re: #52 Spare O'Lake
Me too. And that little creep Bettman needs to be shown the door.
Don't count on it, hockey is on the upswing and Betteman gave the owners the salary cap they wanted.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:24:00am |
re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dennis Miller just needed to check his smarts at the door. He is very smart, but this is football.
Yup. I'm not usually a fan of autobiographies, but I'd definitely fork up bucks to read Miller's were he ever to write one. Along with his sense of humor, I would imagine he's got some pretty amazing stories from being on the road, SNL, etc. Since he doesn't take himself or the biz too seriously, it would probably be a very entertaining read.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:24:39am |
All that was missing from the final seconds of last night's Pats/Bills game was the Stanford band marching out on the field while the ball was being lateralled.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:25:28am |
re: #73 Pianobuff
Yup. I'm not usually a fan of autobiographies, but I'd definitely fork up bucks to read Miller's were he ever to write one. Along with his sense of humor, I would imagine he's got some pretty amazing stories from being on the road, SNL, etc. Since he doesn't take himself or the biz too seriously, it would probably be a very entertaining read.
I wasn't a Jim McMahon fan, but I read his auto and I loved it.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:26:55am |
re: #74 Fenway_Nation
What are your thoughts on the Richard Seymour trade? Will they use the money to sign Wilfork or will BB show him the door as well.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:28:16am |
Thomas Sowell has a nice piece on the healthcare legislation titled Fables for Adults.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:30:49am |
Anyone here remember Peewee Reese and Dizzy Dean? As a kid I remember them as being really knowledgeable and entertaining.
Peewee: What did he (the pitcher) just throw?
Diz: I believe that's a baseball.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:32:39am |
re: #76 soxfan4life
Can't say I was too shocked, as I was still reeling from Bruschi and Harrison's retirement. Look at all the Ex-Pats who've departed over the years; Malloy, Bledsoe, Branch, Vinatieri, Samuel, Vrabel...
The front office doesn't seem to be encumbered by sentiment when push comes to shove.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:32:59am |
re: #79 Spare O'Lake
I was watching a White Sox game and the batter took a pitch up and in. The announcer said, " Well, that will tighten up the sphincter." HA!
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:36:00am |
re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wasn't a Jim McMahon fan, but I read his auto and I loved it.
You might like this story then. In their Super Bowl year, they had a game against the Giants in NY in December. Just so happens the company I work for has a holiday party in the same hotel that the Bears were staying. A bunch of us also had rooms blocked out.
The Bears are far enough out of range (NJ suburbs) to not even try to sneak out. So we invite them to our holiday party. It was surreal seeing the Bears mingling with my peer employees. Walter Payton did not look as tough as he did on the field. Completely mild-mannered and meek. McMahon was...well...McMahon. We brought with us in one of the rooms the classic Coleco table hockey game. Some of the Bears (including McMahon) ended up coming back up to the room to play late.
The funniest event happened when one of Payton's back-ups got into a conversation with an applications developer from our company. The RB asks what exactly a programmer does. The developer offers an erudite yet basic description of computers and the programming discipline. Complete yet understandable to all. A work of art in its simplicity and thoroughness. Bravo. So after this tour de force, the RB looks up plaintively and says, "So um...what exactly is it you do?"
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:38:22am |
While we're discussing announcers, I'm not a Sabres fan but I enjoy listening to Rick Jenarette call the play-by-play.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:40:00am |
re: #80 Fenway_Nation
Can't say I was too shocked, as I was still reeling from Bruschi and Harrison's retirement. Look at all the Ex-Pats who've departed over the years; Malloy, Bledsoe, Branch, Vinatieri, Samuel, Vrabel...
The front office doesn't seem to be encumbered by sentiment when push comes to shove.
Nor do alot of players in pursuit of the big payday. Branch, Ty Law come to mind right quick, Seymour had a contract coming up and it seems he was a force behind Wilforks discontent.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:40:22am |
re: #82 Pianobuff
Well, you could prolly explain it to me and all you would get is me nodding my head. :)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:40:33am |
Damn. My friend who doesn't care for football trying to get into it with the Arizona Cardinals just jokingly threw out the idea that we should go there October 11 for the game against Houston, which is my favorite team.
After brushing it off, I have since reversed my position and am now actively seeking to make it work.
Fuck.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:41:42am |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Damn. My friend who doesn't care for football trying to get into it with the Arizona Cardinals just jokingly threw out the idea that we should go there October 11 for the game against Houston, which is my favorite team.
After brushing it off, I have since reversed my position and am now actively seeking to make it work.
Fuck.
Ever been to a game? Just asking, I know you're young.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:42:38am |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
What happened against the Jets Sunday, hopefully that was not a sign of things to come this season. I thought Houston was going to be good this year.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:44:28am |
re: #83 Fenway_Nation
While we're discussing announcers, I'm not a Sabres fan but I enjoy listening to Rick Jenarette call the play-by-play.
I don't know if it's still on anywhere, but back in the 80's they were broadcasting re-reruns of the classic show Home Run Derby. It was a little bit before my time, so I decided to watch it.
What I noticed right away was that the person whom I believe invented the HRD format also happened to be the announcer. Firstly, the amount of passion the announcer brought to what was batting practice was stunning. Secondly, he was so impressed with the rules he invented that he would cite different rules before and after every pitch with child-like enthusiasm.
I have to admit, half the time watching the show was more about watching him.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:44:41am |
re: #89 Fenway_Nation
Give them time, they will.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:44:44am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:47:54am |
re: #92 TheMatrix31
I would go to the Cards/Texans game if I were you. I mean, it is a late game so you don't have to get up early.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:48:20am |
For what it is worth and completely off topic from where we were, Kanye West is still an asshole.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:48:57am |
re: #95 soxfan4life
For what it is worth and completely off topic from where we were, Kanye West is still an asshole.
Obama called him a jackass. Heh.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:50:20am |
re: #93 Fenway_Nation
With Mangini gone the Jets might actually give New England a game.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:52:49am |
re: #95 soxfan4life
BTW...did you see Pedro pitch for Philly Sunday Night?
I could hardly believe my eyes. Eight shutout innings, 130 pitches in that little postage-stamp field in Philly.
I know it was competing directly with Sunday Night Football and Overindulgent, Self-congratulatory Crap the MTV Video Awards...but it was something to behold.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:53:53am |
re: #95 soxfan4life
For what it is worth and completely off topic from where we were, Kanye West is still an asshole.
That's his job title.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:54:24am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would go to the Cards/Texans game if I were you. I mean, it is a late game so you don't have to get up early.
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Hahaha...was thinking of driving Saturday and coming back Sunday night after the game. Shouldnt be too big a deal. All we'd need is a place to sleep and some food.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:54:38am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Torching jihadi honchos and an honest assessment of Kanye West. Mark this day on your calendar, lizards...0bama's actually done two things I agree with in the last 24 hours.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:55:39am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
Torching jihadi honchos and an honest assessment of Kanye West. Mark this day on your calendar, lizards...0bama's actually done two things I agree with in the last 24 hours.
If he keeps this up, I'll need a new excuse to drink.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:57:43am |
Don't know if this has already been uncovered, but it looks like the amendment banning federal funding for ACORN flew through the Senate. This was part of the housing and transportation appropriations bill.
They still however get federal funding for mortgage counseling, community development block grants, and the neighborhood stabilization program.
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:58:03am |
re: #98 Fenway_Nation
BTW...did you see Pedro pitch for Philly Sunday Night?
I could hardly believe my eyes. Eight shutout innings, 130 pitches in that little postage-stamp field in Philly.
I know it was competing directly with Sunday Night Football and
Overindulgent,Self-congratulatory Crapthe MTV Video Awards...but it was something to behold.
It was never a question of talent with Pedro, he couldn't accept the 1, 1A thing with Schilling. He showed his true colors when he took the Sox' what will it take to get a deal done right now offer and ran back to the Mets
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:58:12am |
re: #103 Pianobuff
Don't know if this has already been
uncovered, but it looks like the amendment banning federal funding for ACORN flew through the Senate. This was part of the housing and transportation appropriations bill.They still however get federal funding for mortgage counseling, community development block grants, and the neighborhood stabilization program.
PIMF
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:58:57am |
re: #103 Pianobuff
Don't know if this has already been uncovered, but it looks like the amendment banning federal funding for ACORN flew through the Senate. This was part of the housing and transportation appropriations bill.
They still however get federal funding for mortgage counseling, community development block grants, and the neighborhood stabilization program.
My radio said it made it though the house.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:59:50am |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio said it made it though the house.
Excellent. This is a start, anyway.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:59:58am |
Granted I didn't need 0bama to tell me that West is a completely useless douchespigot (not his exact words)...
Is he gonna arrange a cognac beer summit at the White House between West and that country music gal he upstaged?
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soxfan4life Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:01:57am |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
Kanye will be looking for a 40 of the bull.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:02:35am |
re: #108 Pianobuff
Excellent. This is a start, anyway.
I misspoke. The house voted it down. I looked on house.gov but found nothing yet. Sorry.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:03:07am |
re: #107 TheMatrix31
Braves probably could've used a couple more bitches who pitch like him now...
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:03:21am |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
Granted I didn't need 0bama to tell me that West is a completely useless douchespigot (not his exact words)...
Is he gonna arrange a
cognacbeer summit at the White House between West and that country music gal he upstaged?
He is preparing to tell everyone that Taylor Swift acted stupidly in giving Kanye the mike.
/
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:04:07am |
re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar
I misspoke. The house voted it down. I looked on house.gov but found nothing yet. Sorry.
Well, I'm sure it went through the Senate, but you are saying it got a thumbs down in the House? That blows.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:06:23am |
re: #112 Fenway_Nation
Nah, pitching isn't the problem this year. Our offense is God-awful.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:06:43am |
re: #104 soxfan4life
For the last 5 years, I had a hard and fast rule that I wouldn't begrudge or speak ill any member of the 2004 Red Sox [unless they signed w/the Evil Empire; Bellhorn and Embree are exceptions, since they were claimed off of waivers by the Evil Empire].
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:08:00am |
re: #114 Pianobuff
I couldn't find it. I need a house #.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:08:39am |
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:10:49am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:11:33am |
OK Lizards...all this sports and celeb talk has me tuckered out.
Weet dreams everyone!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:16:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:18:44am |
Senate vote
[Link: www.senate.gov...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:22:15am |
The house passed it without the amendment to cut off ACORN I guess.
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:27:42am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Finally saw the Kayanenaya (sp) West clip. What a douche.
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Nightwatch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:28:40am |
wow...words
taint none so...descripteve to describe this hear sight postins
god loves all creatures great and small...great and ...small
...hic/smirc/0n
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:30:24am |
re: #125 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
Finally saw the Kayanenaya (sp) West clip. What a douche.
Regardless of all the money someone has, there is still the need to be the center of attention. But, he said on Leno he was sorry, all is forgiven. Until next time and there will be a next time.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:37:16am |
re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar
Regardless of all the money someone has, there is still the need to be the center of attention. But, he said on Leno he was sorry, all is forgiven. Until next time and there will be a next time.
Yep, Good Morning West Coaster!
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Joshua Cohen Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:37:43am |
I do not get it. They announce electric super sport cars...able to go 160 mph and from 0 to 60 in 4 secs or less for 100 or more grands, but nothing that a common dude could pay and use.
Showing that they can build it...but it looks as they are just not interested in doing it.
But why listen to the market...another stimulus is right around the corner.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:39:26am |
re: #129 Joshua Cohen
I do not get it. They announce electric super sport cars...able to go 160 mph and from 0 to 60 in 4 secs or less for 100 or more grands, but nothing that a common dude could pay and use.
Showing that they can build it...but it looks as they are just not interested in doing it.
But why listen to the market...another stimulus is right around the corner.
Electric cars are great, but until electricity is cheap, there won't be a big push for them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:40:21am |
re: #130 rwdflynavy
Electric cars are great, but until electricity is cheap, there won't be a big push for them.
I'm pushing for electric helicopters.
//
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Joshua Cohen Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:42:34am |
re: #130 rwdflynavy
Electric cars are great, but until electricity is cheap, there won't be a big push for them.
Wait - electricity is cheap...maybe not clean but it is not expensive.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:43:46am |
I read somewhere that car dealers are having a bit of a slow down in sales. Hmm, didn't see that coming.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:59:21am |
re: #134 Danny
Good morning empty chat thread.
It usually falls apart around 5 AM. The morning crew will be here soon.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:00:02am |
Got a new boss a month ago.
New boss was fired on Friday.
Wecome to the new, new boss (same as the old boss).
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:00:29am |
Only so much you can say about electric cars and Kanye, apparently.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:00:41am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Got a new boss a month ago.
New boss was fired on Friday.
Wecome to the new, new boss (same as the old boss).
You the new boss?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:00:57am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:01:20am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:02:40am |
re: #141 Danny
Oh man, don't get me started!
USC and Michigan have true freshman at QB. Both have bright futures.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:03:36am |
Oh, you mean like sports Wolverines. I thought you meant the actual animal.
I've come to realize that bosses are the reason why I can't work for anyone.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:04:12am |
They guy that got fired is a good man. Did not understand that they would do a new back-ground check on him with the new (big) position. Turns out that he had a suspended license for a while (while working for us, doing my job, which includes a lot of driving)...
Or he just didn't think they'd catch it.
They catch all that shit.
Shame. He was a good man.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:05:29am |
re: #143 Danny
No, I meant...
WOLVERINES!
(Red Dawn, Patrick Swayze's best movie. Well, that, and RoadHouse... and Next of Kin)...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:05:43am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He was driving a company vehicle with a suspended license?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:09:00am |
re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, no. Personal vehicle for company business. But the company's liability is very high if something happened.
Funny thing? Had he not applied for the promotion, they would have never "re-background checked" him. Now his entire career with the company is shot.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:10:12am |
Speaking of electric cars, I thought up a concept for electric public transportation.
And I might develop it further for my thesis later on.
/also, good evening.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:10:44am |
re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No, I meant...
WOLVERINES!
(Red Dawn, Patrick Swayze's best movie. Well, that, and RoadHouse... and Next of Kin)...
First time I ever heard of Patrick Swayze was City of Dreams or however it was called.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:11:19am |
re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I got a suspended license, there is only one way that I could continue to work. I would have to hire a driver. Probably my son. He'd have to quit his job, and drive me all over the place.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:12:01am |
re: #150 laZardo
They should make bumper car tracks for a commute. At least it would be fun.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:13:10am |
I swear, that Joe Wilson guy looks like Corben Burnsen.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:19:19am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I want to. I think I've already shown you the video game by one of the movie's writers.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:20:27am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:21:03am |
re: #154 Danny
Thanks. The interesting thing about the tricycle-sidecars in this country is they come in all sorts of different colors depending on which barangay you're in. Like the Jeepneys, people like to customize them with their own fender-flares, chrome etc.
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
As long as they have safety padding over the fence that'd stick out from the 2nd floor of every building, that sounds pretty fun.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:33am |
re: #159 JamesTKirk
[Link: i68.photobucket.com...]
That guy on the right has the same hair as me. Geez.
/
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:25:04am |
re: #95 soxfan4life
For what it is worth and completely off topic from where we were, Kanye West is still an asshole.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:26:15am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:26:15am |
re: #162 laZardo
LIAR!
/Billy Mays' death was the best one ;_;
Billy Mays was suppose to do Taco Bell commercials. That would have RULED!!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:26:39am |
re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar
If he keeps this up, I'll need a new excuse to drink.
You need an excuse to drink?
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:29:13am |
re: #163 JamesTKirk
This pretty much sums up his whole career. q: Watch it to the end.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:29:18am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:29:24am |
re: #130 rwdflynavy
Electric cars are great, but until electricity is cheap, there won't be a big push for them.
You also need the infrastructure -- sure, you can charge the thing overnight at home, but what if you're on a long trip and need to pull over somewhere to top off your batteries? Plus, in that instance, you're not going to want to camp out overnight waiting for a recharge when you can refill a gas tank in ten minutes.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:30:26am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:02am |
re: #95 soxfan4life
For what it is worth and completely off topic from where we were, Kanye West is still an asshole.
Stop children, what's that sound, everybody look what's going down...on stage.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:29am |
re: #171 JamesTKirk
They're remaking it. :(
I bet the kids aren't fighting islamofascist. Fucking PC bitches.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:32:39am |
re: #168 laZardo
This pretty much sums up his whole career. q: Watch it to the end.
He's a gay fish.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:33:18am |
re: #158 laZardo
Sorry, bud. Need some a flash update to watch. Company computer. Can't update a thang!
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:33:40am |
Good morning people.
The next time I get into a kerfuffle with another poster I am going to use this as my excuse:
"So manycelebritiesposters, they never take the time off," he said. "I've never taken the time off to really - you know, justmusicpost aftermusicpost andtourthread aftertourthread. I'm just ashamed that my hurt caused someone else's hurt.
Channeling the Kanye West style of apology.
/
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:33:58am |
re: #171 JamesTKirk
Either the Norks/Chinese are the antagonists (see #158) or the Reds are the good guys.
/only two ways I can see that happening.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:36:24am |
re: #170 JamesTKirk
You also need the infrastructure -- sure, you can charge the thing overnight at home, but what if you're on a long trip and need to pull over somewhere to top off your batteries?
Personally, I prefer vehicles that make at least 600 ft/lbs of torque.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:36:31am |
re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dang. Basically it's an "updated" Red Dawn-style storyline where the invaders are the North Koreans. The storyline is written by John Milius, who also did Apocalypse Now as well as Red Dawn.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:02am |
re: #178 laZardo
Either the Norks/Chinese are the antagonists (see #158) or the Reds are the good guys.
/only two ways I can see that happening.
Either way, if it comes from Hollywood these days, it will be America's fault.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:38:21am |
re: #180 laZardo
Dang. Basically it's an "updated" Red Dawn-style storyline where the invaders are the North Koreans. The storyline is written by John Milius, who also did Apocalypse Now as well as Red Dawn.
I may have spoken to soon on my #181.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:00am |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah. Really?
Yep. Because Hollywood is trying yet again (War of the Worlds, Battlestar Galactica, etc.) to put us in the shoes of the of the poor helpless innocent people who must fight back against cruel and heartless invaders with IEDs, suicide attacks, etc. Time for us all to root for the insurgents, just like they've been doing for the last decade!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:40:54am |
re: #178 laZardo
Either the Norks/Chinese are the antagonists (see #158) or the Reds are the good guys.
/only two ways I can see that happening.
They say they're updating it for the post-9/11 world, but there's no way in hell that they'll have the balls to make muslims the villains. (Not to mention that "RED Dawn" wouldn't make much sense in that context anyway.)
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:00am |
re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not really. The game I linked to in #181 portrays a future where a Mars colony rises up against the corporation- and Earth-based oppressors. The planet isn't the only thing "red" about it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:59am |
re: #185 laZardo
Not really. The game I linked to in #181 portrays a future where a Mars colony rises up against the corporation- and Earth-based oppressors. The planet isn't the only thing "red" about it.
Halliburton?
/
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:42:53am |
re: #185 laZardo
Not really. The game I linked to in #181 portrays a future where a Mars colony rises up against the corporation- and Earth-based oppressors. The planet isn't the only thing "red" about it.
That's so 1980s, where every* Sci-fi series (Robocop, Alien, etc.) was all about the evil corporations, and even mad scientist Lex Luthor was retconned into the personification of evil capitalism.
*non-apocalyptic
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:00am |
re: #185 laZardo
Not really. The game I linked to in #181 portrays a future where a Mars colony rises up against the corporation- and Earth-based oppressors. The planet isn't the only thing "red" about it.
It could work if it was an adaptation of Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"; but the last thing we need is yet another crappy adaptation from someone who doesn't get Heinlein.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:34am |
re: #187 JamesTKirk
Wasn't Happy Feet (penguin movie) about the evil US and only the UN could save the planet?
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:42am |
re: #183 JamesTKirk
I think with what happened after the extreme-lefty flops e.g. "Rendition" and "W" then they'll switch the antagonists to PMCs. If I may guess, the Red Dawn remake will probably take place in a present or near future where PMCs are more active militarily than the US Army, and when the invasion drops, the PMCs are either overwhelmed or just flee where business is better.
/also, District 9 was pretty cool.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45:53am |
re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet the kids aren't fighting islamofascist. Fucking PC bitches.
Remember the trailer for "Bad Boys II" that came out after 9/11, that talked about the dangers of the post-9/11 world... and then turned out to be all about domestic white supremacist groups? Yeah, I remember them knocking down the towers...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:46:57am |
re: #191 JamesTKirk
I used to see 3 movies a week. I prolly haven't seen one in 8 years. :(
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:15am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a permanent grudge against penguins ever since Happy Feet beat Cars for the Academy Award.
/note that there was a kind, benevolent capitalist oil company owner character in Cars as well. That probably had something to do with it...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:17am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wasn't Happy Feet (penguin movie) about the evil US and only the UN could save the planet?
Didn't see that one. Got plenty of warning in advance.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:34am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wasn't Happy Feet (penguin movie) about the evil US and only the UN could save the planet?
Not the US specifically, but evil capitalism, for sure.
Off to work. Will rejoin the discussion soonish.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:49:16am |
re: #192 Cannadian Club Akbar
I used to see 3 movies a week. I prolly haven't seen one in 8 years. :(
I don't see nearly as many movies as I used to, and for the most part I wait until they're on DVD. Among other reasons, I don't have to pay $10 for pop corn and a soda to go with them, and I have a better idea of which movies are worth my time and money once the hype has dissipated and the word of mouth has had time to circulate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:49:34am |
Oh and since everyone talks about Megan Fox, I finally saw a pic of her. Not impressed.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:49:54am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:52:21am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:00am |
re: #198 JamesTKirk
[Link: img.photobucket.com...]
This will be a running gag for a long time.
Somehow, I doubt Kanye will be embarrassed.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:54am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:55:05am |
re: #201 VioletTiger
This will be a running gag for a long time.
Somehow, I doubt Kanye will be embarrassed.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:55:08am |
re: #201 VioletTiger
This will be a running gag for a long time.
Somehow, I doubt Kanye will be embarrassed.
You mean sorta like...wait for it...
In bed.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:14am |
Spacejesus posted a pretty good Kanye vid in one of the previous threads. I'll try to find it.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:53am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:08am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:42am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:50am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:07am |
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freetoken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:18am |
re: #208 taxfreekiller
what facts are known of Spacejesus origins?
As far as I know he has always existed...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:24am |
re: #206 Danny
Spacejesus posted a pretty good Kanye vid in one of the previous threads. I'll try to find it.
Is it this one?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:32am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:51am |
re: #208 taxfreekiller
what facts are known of Spacejesus origins?
He's from space...?
//I only work in outer space
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:25am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:28am |
It looks like several republicans did not vote on the measure to defund ACORN yesterday. Anyone know why?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:03:22am |
re: #218 MandyManners
I'm sure the South isn't wild about him.
I think he just likes to yank chains. I don't hate him. Half the time he's funny, other half just trying to be mean.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:03:29am |
re: #212 JamesTKirk
[Link: x8d.xanga.com...]
[Link: xf9.xanga.com...]
[Link: xe7.xanga.com...]
[Link: xd7.xanga.com...]
[Link: x53.xanga.com...]
The last one was perfect. No words but, abundant meaning.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:03:54am |
re: #219 wintercat
It looks like several republicans did not vote on the measure to defund ACORN yesterday. Anyone know why?
Ignorance.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:08am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:24am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:35am |
re: #212 JamesTKirk
[Link: x8d.xanga.com...]
[Link: xf9.xanga.com...]
[Link: xe7.xanga.com...]
[Link: xd7.xanga.com...]
[Link: x53.xanga.com...]
Too funny. I don't usually follow much of this celebrity stuff...but who can avoid this? What an ignorant man.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:55am |
re: #219 wintercat
It looks like several republicans did not vote on the measure to defund ACORN yesterday. Anyone know why?
I saw the senate total, but not the role call on votes.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:06:22am |
re: #224 Leonidas Hoplite
I'm sure it's immaculate in his own mind.
Well, I'm Empress of the Universe in my own mind.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:07:53am |
re: #225 MandyManners
I bet Spacejesus hates the Allman Brothers.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:08:17am |
re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw the senate total, but not the role call on votes.
I just wrote to one of my senators asking for a full investigation of ACORN. I am sure he will get right on it.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:08:35am |
House vote on 3288 w/o amendment to cut off ACORN.
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:09:26am |
Jimmy Carter. Is he okay? Just saw a FB post saying, "RIP". What the heck?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:09:47am |
re: #229 Danny
I bet Spacejesus hates the Allman Brothers.
And the Outlaws, Molly Hatchet, Skynard, etc.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:09:59am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:10:42am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jimmy Carter. Is he okay? Just saw a FB post saying, "RIP". What the heck?
Nothing on Drudge.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:09am |
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:23am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jimmy Carter. Is he okay? Just saw a FB post saying, "RIP". What the heck?
Probably something about Jody Powell.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:24am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jimmy Carter. Is he okay? Just saw a FB post saying, "RIP". What the heck?
Jody Powell, his press secretary died yesterday. Maybe that's it.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:44am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:27am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:52am |
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:55am |
re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing anywhere... what the heck?
Hopefully a false report...
Jody Powell...Carter's press secretary died
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:12am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:39am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:14:33am |
re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing anywhere... what the heck?
Hopefully a false report...
TEH KITTEHS HAV DEIR REEVENJ
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:05am |
Well, good.
I was prepared to be respectful, too.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:44am |
re: #250 JamesTKirk
Wouldn't it be "BUNNEHS"?
Remember when Carter shot a cat belonging to his sister-in-law, Sybil?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:46am |
DRILL, BABY!!
[Link: floridaoil.org...]
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:20:44am |
re: #252 MandyManners
Remember when Carter shot a cat belonging to his sister-in-law, Sybil?
Nope, forgot about that one. But I remember his "lust in my heart" interview, so I'm sure he's killed plenty of other kittens.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:20:50am |
I wonder what the new ACORN video will show. It's supposed to be the worst of the four. How can you top underage, illegal immigrant prostitutes and tax evasion?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:21:38am |
re: #256 VioletTiger
I wonder what the new ACORN video will show. It's supposed to be the worst of the four. How can you top underage, illegal immigrant prostitutes and tax evasion?
It shows them voting Republican.
/
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:22:02am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:22:04am |
re: #255 JamesTKirk
Nope, forgot about that one. But I remember his "lust in my heart" interview, so I'm sure he's killed plenty of other kittens.
Sick. Just fucking sick.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:22:26am |
re: #256 VioletTiger
I wonder what the new ACORN video will show. It's supposed to be the worst of the four. How can you top underage, illegal immigrant prostitutes and tax evasion?
Cat juggling.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:07am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:26am |
re: #256 VioletTiger
I wonder what the new ACORN video will show. It's supposed to be the worst of the four. How can you top underage, illegal immigrant prostitutes and tax evasion?
I must say, BigGovernment arrived with a splash. It is good to see some fearless citizen journalists out there since the MSM is stone silent on anything that might ruffle this administration's feathers. I think a full investigation of ACORN needs to start pronto. Open their books.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:57am |
re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar
The "Don't Tread On Me" thing in the background of the picture here looks suspicious given all the tea party stuff...
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:24:14am |
re: #252 MandyManners
[Link: www.synthstuff.com...]
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:25:18am |
re: #266 laZardo
The "Don't Tread On Me" thing in the background of the picture here looks suspicious given all the tea party stuff...
That's not "Don't tread on me." That's "Unite or die."
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:25:27am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:25:29am |
re: #263 wintercat
I must say, BigGovernment arrived with a splash. It is good to see some fearless citizen journalists out there since the MSM is stone silent on anything that might ruffle this administration's feathers. I think a full investigation of ACORN needs to start pronto. Open their books.
YES.
I doubt their threat to sue those undercover folks is real. That would mean they would be subject to having their organization examined with a fine-tooth comb.
They remind me of CAIR.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:25:58am |
re: #266 laZardo
Well, this is about drilling, kinda like China is gonna do off the coast of Key West. But, remember, an Obama office had a Che flag, so..
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:26:02am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:26:47am |
re: #263 wintercat
I must say, BigGovernment arrived with a splash. It is good to see some fearless citizen journalists out there since the MSM is stone silent on anything that might ruffle this administration's feathers. I think a full investigation of ACORN needs to start pronto. Open their books.
The rats will really scatter.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:27:05am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:27:27am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:10am |
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
New video
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:25am |
re: #275 laZardo
Oh. I thought the yellow looked familiar.
Well, they're both snake-related cartoons from the Revolutionary War; but "Unite or Die" (a.k.a. "Join or Die") was created by Benjamin Franklin to emphasize the importance of unity. Not quite the same thing as "Don't Tread On Me", though obviously related.
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:54am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:00am |
re: #271 MandyManners
YES.
I doubt their threat to sue those undercover folks is real. That would mean they would be subject to having their organization examined with a fine-tooth comb.
They remind me of CAIR.
Yes. There is absolutely a degree of similarity between the two organizations. They both have a very confrontational style.
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:27am |
Good Morning Lizards. Hey Fenway_Nation I need to get a hold of you. Are youstill around?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:34am |
re: #279 VioletTiger
And a fourth.
But, I am reliably informed that it is not as good a video as Beyonce's.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:53am |
re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
New video
Isn't that the one from yesterday?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:33:00am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:34:08am |
re: #286 wintercat
There has been DC, Baltimore and NYC so far?
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:34:30am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:35:11am |
re: #288 Cannadian Club Akbar
There has been DC, Baltimore and NYC so far?
Today they are due to release number 4.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:36:59am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:37:36am |
But, but, they aren't real!!!
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:37:52am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wonder how many there are.
I am sure ACORN is wondering the same thing.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:11am |
So, I know that Charles is not a big fan of the Tea Party movement due to the crazies it brings out, but does anyone have an estimate as to the % of people/signs there that we would disagree with? The only way I can think to police that would be to have everyone who attended to register with an "official" group, (which kind of defeats the grass rootiness of it) and then have official signs for everyone with the nuts being put in a cage off to the sides like a convention.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:39:03am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:39:25am |
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:39:46am |
Gotta go. If anyone see Fenway please tell him I need to get in contact with him. My nic is blue. Thanks and have a great day all. :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:40:26am |
re: #295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
NOLA...is definitely a candidate.
Miami, Tampa, all of Texas, most of Cali, NM, Arizona
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:40:44am |
re: #294 Spenser (with an S)
I guess you would have to ask somebody who actually went to it.
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:41:30am |
re: #294 Spenser (with an S)
...does anyone have an estimate as to the % of people/signs there that we would disagree with?
That's 100% subjective.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:42:13am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:42:23am |
re: #294 Spenser (with an S)
So, I know that Charles is not a big fan of the Tea Party movement due to the crazies it brings out, but does anyone have an estimate as to the % of people/signs there that we would disagree with? The only way I can think to police that would be to have everyone who attended to register with an "official" group, (which kind of defeats the grass rootiness of it) and then have official signs for everyone with the nuts being put in a cage off to the sides like a convention.
These protests have an obligation to police themselves and eliminate the most offensive signs. It is just common sense really. Bad signs reflect negatively on their cause. There is no need to pander to the ugliest of Americans. Get rid of the hate mongers. So many everyday people are willing to give up their time and money to attend a march like that. Rely on them to make your statement.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:42:42am |
re: #295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
re: #290 wintercat
Today they are due to release number 4.
NOLA...is definitely a candidate.
Why would you say that? Just because it involves corruption and dysfunctional assistance groups and incompetent oversight and... never mind.
///
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:44:13am |
re: #299 VioletTiger
Goodmorning Spenser...
I watched the march and dvr'd it from C-Span...
I pointed out to the Wife I couldn't find any hateful signs up near the podium at the front,but I'll look again and pay closer attention!
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:44:44am |
re: #303 Spenser (with an S)
Why would you say that? Just because it involves corruption and dysfunctional assistance groups and incompetent oversight and... never mind.
///
What is NOLA?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:15am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:40am |
re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
New video
Is it wrong that I want to see more of the female Big Government undercover agent?
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:41am |
re: #295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
aboo-Hoo-Hoo and old friend of yours is trying to get in contact with you. My name is blue so drop me an email and I will forward you the details.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:46:55am |
re: #302 wintercat
These protests have an obligation to police themselves and eliminate the most offensive signs. It is just common sense really. Bad signs reflect negatively on their cause. There is no need to pander to the ugliest of Americans. Get rid of the hate mongers. So many everyday people are willing to give up their time and money to attend a march like that. Rely on them to make your statement.
Sounds good, but how do you put it in practice? How do you get rid of them? I would not approach a guy with a big 'we are not armed this time' sign and tell him to put it down.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:47:02am |
re: #307 JamesTKirk
Is it wrong that I want to see more of the female Big Government undercover agent?
With a low cut top?
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Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:47:53am |
re: #307 JamesTKirk
Is it wrong that I want to see more of the female Big Government undercover agent?
Nah, so long as you don't kill any more kittens.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:48:07am |
re: #309 VioletTiger
Sounds good, but how do you put it in practice? How do you get rid of them? I would not approach a guy with a big 'we are not armed this time' sign and tell him to put it down.
You wouldn't, but there are people who can and would. Those are the types that need to show up to these things with the intention of keeping the idiots away.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:48:33am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:52:51am |
re: #313 thedopefishlives
re: #309 VioletTigerSounds good, but how do you put it in practice? How do you get rid of them? I would not approach a guy with a big 'we are not armed this time' sign and tell him to put it down.
You wouldn't, but there are people who can and would. Those are the types that need to show up to these things with the intention of keeping the idiots away.
I know of two blues-singing dudes with fedoras that would love to run them down. "I hate Tea Party Nazis!"
/
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:52:51am |
Dang!
I've seen all that's out there so far but...
Would ACORN release the employee /ethnicity ratio in the
Organization??
Diversity my arse!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:54:41am |
re: #317 reloadingisnotahobby
Dang!
I've seen all that's out there so far but...
Would ACORN release the employee /ethnicity ratio in the
Organization??
Diversity my arse!!
If you ask you will be considered a racist.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:55:27am |
re: #309 VioletTiger
Sounds good, but how do you put it in practice? How do you get rid of them? I would not approach a guy with a big 'we are not armed this time' sign and tell him to put it down.
First, you put the word out on your pre-march publicity that that stuff won't be tolerated. You tell people why and ask them to cooperate. Then you get a bunch of hairy armed bikers to police the crowds...(just kidding).
Really though, you put the word out on your pre-march publicity that that stuff won't be tolerated. You ask everyone to cooperate and then you don't permit that crap to get near the ticketed area--you ask anyone carrying that stuff to either destroy it or leave. You have the police take out anyone who wants to get violent about it.
In the end though, the reality is you can't stop people from being idiots. But you can register your strong objection and do what you can to keep it clean. You have to make it crystal clear that that crap is not welcomed.
Look at all the stuff that Zombie posted about the democrat protests. Do you think the average democrat supported that stuff? I don't. I think they were probably very embarrassed by the crazies who flocked to their gatherings.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:57:16am |
re: #309 VioletTiger
Sounds good, but how do you put it in practice? How do you get rid of them? I would not approach a guy with a big 'we are not armed this time' sign and tell him to put it down.
It won't be easy but that is just what it is going to take. Do we really want to be arm in arm with people who scare us?
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:57:32am |
re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar
I already am considered a racist...
I'm a conservitive!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:59:24am |
re: #321 reloadingisnotahobby
I already am considered a racist...
I'ma conservitivewhite!
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:00:30am |
re: #320 wintercat
Do we really want to be arm in arm with people who scare us?
Shoot! that just reminded me it's my anniversary today!
///
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:01:14am |
re: #322 JamesTKirk
Would it make a diff... if I said I was also color blind?
/
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:02:02am |
re: #323 Spenser (with an S)
Your lucky you remembered it NOW and not alot LATER!!
Congratulations!
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:03:45am |
re: #325 Cannadian Club Akbar
GREAT the soldiers need some comic relief!
The "O" needs to sharpen his "Damage Control" skills!
He'll be needing for the next four years!!
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:04:58am |
Had to un-dust my laptank's exhaust vents.
And yes, I said laptank. My Dell Inspiron 9100 is 9.8 lbs without the adapter brick.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:05:50am |
Morning everyone. Today I had to see what they were saying about Dr. Borlaug on Huffpo. I won't post a link, but some of the comments there are downright nasty. (surprise, surprise!)
According to them, Borlaug wasn't a great man because he contributed to overpopulation, pollution and use of pesticides and fertilizers.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:06:12am |
re: #326 reloadingisnotahobby
re: #323 Spenser (with an S)
Your lucky you remembered it NOW and not alot LATER!!
Congratulations!
Thanks. Actually, I totally remembered it but the line about "arm in arm with those who scare us" was an easy shot at married life. I am a very blessed man with a beautiful wife and 4 healthy kids.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:06:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:06:35am |
re: #328 laZardo
Had to un-dust my laptank's exhaust vents.
And yes, I said laptank. My Dell Inspiron 9100 is 9.8 lbs without the adapter brick.
I have an E1705, but not on it right now.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:07:44am |
Three NFL players announced yesterday they will donate their brains and spinal cord tissue to a Boston University Medical School program that studies sports brain injuries.
Even though dozens of former NFL players have agreed to donate their brains after death, Matt Birk, a center with the Baltimore Ravens, Lofa Tatupu, a Seattle Seahawk linebacker, and receiver Sean Morey of the Arizona Cardinals are the first active players to do so.
/mmm, brains
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:08:33am |
Hi all.
Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union
/Certainly they don't understand that the only way to achieve workers paradise is through collective bargaining.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:08:48am |
re: #333 Killian Bundy
IIRC, Matt Birk is a Harvard grad.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:09:17am |
re: #329 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to them, Borlaug wasn't a great man because he contributed to overpopulation, pollution and use of pesticides and fertilizers.
Yeah, they keep talking about overpopulation, but they never help us out there, do they? ;) "I, of course, am much too important for the world to do without."
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:09:36am |
re: #323 Spenser (with an S)
Shoot! that just reminded me it's my anniversary today!
///
So bad...
/
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:13:23am |
re: #334 FrogMarch
Wow!
I thought it was nearly impossible to do that!
Good for them !!
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:14:03am |
re: #337 Spenser (with an S)
"Oh, we'd be doing more if the religious right weren't exerting more of their wealth and influence convincing people that CONDOMZ R THA DEVIL OHNOES."
/half. A lot of estimates saying the Philippines will have nearly double the population in 50 years...
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:17:11am |
Sold down the river by six Republicans.
The six Senate Republicans seeking a "bipartisan compromise" on President Obama's proposal for a government-run health care system are flirting with a provision - an individual mandate to buy government-approved health insurance - that runs counter to everything the GOP stands for. This "gang of six" includes senators Olympia Snowe of Maine, Charles Grassley of Iowa, Robert Bennett of Utah, Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, Mike Crapo of Idaho, and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Snowe has been covertly negotiating with Obama for weeks, while Grassley supports the concept of a health care insurance co-op. The other four are co-sponsors of S. 391, the Healthy Americans Act introduced by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-OR, which includes some attractive features but at its heart is an individual mandate. Individuals and fFamilies would be fined as much as $3,800 annually for not buying approved health insurance.An individual mandate should be anathema to all GOPers for two reasons. First, the individual mandate is the fulcrum of cooperation between government-run health care advocates and the big health insurance companies that would profit immensely if it's approved. As the Social Security Institute's Larry Hunter trenchantly observed, the big insurers "desperately want an individual mandate passed and will accept anything short of having their CEOs pushed out of an airplane door to get it." Such a "public-private partnership" will work no better for health care than it has in the mortgage industry with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Not good. Not good at all.
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gymmom Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:18:36am |
re: #333 Killian Bundy
/mmm, brains
I took care of a hall of famer with dementia. It is difficult to say what exactly causes dementia without a brain biopsy to rule out Alzheimers, but as his wasn't worsening, it was probably the result of repeated head butts. I didn't know who he was (before my time) and he had a chart 3 inches thick when I met him. I only read the medical stuff - not his social history. When I met him, I quickly realized I could probably sit on one of his shoulders with room to spare. I blurted out, "If you didn't play football you missed your calling". The wife then informed me he was in the hall of fame. Football is great fun to watch, but really really hard on the bodies of those young men.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:18:50am |
re: #341 FrogMarch
Sold down the river by six Republicans.
Not good. Not good at all.
I love the fact that I, as an individual, might get a $750 to $950 fine. Bullshit.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:19:35am |
re: #341 FrogMarch
Bennett??
That Bastid!!
I voted for him!
I'll write him a strongly worded ..."note'!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:21:48am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:21:49am |
This "Volda Rivera" from the ACORN NYC video really has it in against Tom Jones.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:22:33am |
re: #344 reloadingisnotahobby
Bennett??
That Bastid!!
I voted for him!
I'll write him a strongly worded ..."note'!!
Give him a call. I've e-mailed Chuck Grassley a few times myself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:22:55am |
re: #346 laZardo
This "Volda Rivera" from the ACORN NYC video really has it in against Tom Jones.
Tom Jones?
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Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:23:44am |
Good morning everyone.
Is Rush feeling the Beck heat? He is now getting in the organizing protests business.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:24:27am |
re: #348 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yep. Apparently it's a sort of local slang for the cops.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:26:46am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:27:38am |
re: #283 wintercat
Yes. There is absolutely a degree of similarity between the two organizations. They both have a very confrontational style.
And, they love to portray themselves as victims.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:28:19am |
re: #349 Chekote
Is Rush feeling the Beck heat? He is now getting in the organizing protests business.
I don't believe so, he was even on Beck's show last week. I think he's pretty confident with his numbers, knows his segment of the audience and he also is very "reform the republican party" instead of beck's revolution-type rhetoric.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:28:26am |
re: #352 MandyManners
And, they love to portray themselves as victims.
They intimidate people who don't see the world their way.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:28:28am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:30:07am |
re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar
Deflect the argument.
Which is exactly what Bertha Lewis did in her response to the O'Keefe/Giles video. ACORN is a victim here.
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:30:48am |
re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar
Screw that fine bullshit. Where is freedom?
Screw them.
Earn the money how?
Have to work how many hours to pay for something I MUST buy?
Goes against 13th amendment if you ask me.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:31:16am |
re: #341 FrogMarch
Sold down the river by six Republicans.
Not good. Not good at all.
Watch the markets should Obama keeps gaining in the polls.
The next drop could really be a dozy as a result of our increasing debt, the tariff with China, pissed off Arabs...you name it...it's probably part of the growing list.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:32:01am |
re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love the fact that I, as an individual, might get a $750 to $950 fine. Bullshit.
We all have be a part of the system - it's for the common good.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:32:31am |
re: #351 MandyManners
Fucking misogynistic bastards.
"Women like her are forced into it by the system and are then abused for it! How is it misogynistic!?"
///
/HURRRGH
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:32:44am |
re: #319 wintercat
First, you put the word out on your pre-march publicity that that stuff won't be tolerated. You tell people why and ask them to cooperate. Then you get a bunch of hairy armed bikers to police the crowds...(just kidding).
Really though, you put the word out on your pre-march publicity that that stuff won't be tolerated. You ask everyone to cooperate and then you don't permit that crap to get near the ticketed area--you ask anyone carrying that stuff to either destroy it or leave. You have the police take out anyone who wants to get violent about it.
In the end though, the reality is you can't stop people from being idiots. But you can register your strong objection and do what you can to keep it clean. You have to make it crystal clear that that crap is not welcomed.
Look at all the stuff that Zombie posted about the democrat protests. Do you think the average democrat supported that stuff? I don't. I think they were probably very embarrassed by the crazies who flocked to their gatherings.
This.
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Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:33:20am |
re: #353 Spenser (with an S)
Sorry to disagree. But Rush is not about reforming the GOP. He has not proposed any changes. Instead, he wants the RINOs out and constantly rails against moderates. He opposes any changes in approach when it comes to social issues which have hurt the GOP in many parts of the country.
| 363 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:33:48am |
Since this thread topic is Science and Electric Cars, here is a group that I have been following for some time. First in the realms of tinfoil-hatness, they are now putting things in place that I have removed the tinfoil hat.
[Link: theeestory.com...]
[Link: www.zenncars.com...]
[Link: green.autoblog.com...]
I am flipping excited about this battery technology.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:34:46am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:35:39am |
re: #328 laZardo
Had to un-dust my laptank's exhaust vents.
And yes, I said laptank. My Dell Inspiron 9100 is 9.8 lbs without the adapter brick.
I'm on a Panasonic Tough-Brick (book)
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:35:44am |
re: #363 Oh no...Sand People!
When they can make it power stuff like the Tesla Roadster for cheaper, then I'll be interested.
These "pod cars" are nice and all but they just feel so...depersonalizing.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:36:16am |
re: #334 FrogMarch
Hi all.
Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union
/Certainly they don't understand that the only way to achieve workers paradise is through collective bargaining.
Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build.
Of the 267 ballots cast, 199 were in favor of decertifying the election that made them members of the International Association of Machinists. The company was pleased; the union was disappointed.
The local plant makes rear fuselage sections for Boeing's 787, a new fast-selling lightweight jet that has been delayed by snags with suppliers and an eight-week strike last year by the IAM.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:36:25am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:36:25am |
re: #351 MandyManners
Fucking misogynistic bastards.
A. Call the NYPD
B. Tell us to get the hell out
C. Bury sex money obtained through prostitution of young girls in "tin" under backyard.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:36:32am |
re: #341 FrogMarch
Sold down the river by six Republicans.
Not good. Not good at all.
IDAHO and UTAH!
What the 'F'!
I am seriously shocked. I think they should have to open up their individual stock portfolios to show who their insider deals are geared up to be with.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:37:30am |
re: #367 MandyManners
The local plant makes rear fuselage sections for Boeing's 787, a new fast-selling lightweight jet that has been delayed by snags with suppliers and an eight-week strike last year by the IAM.
This should be a warning sign to industry all across the country. Instead, you can bet that the unions are all patting themselves on the back about the power they wield and, correspondingly, the money they can extort from their employers and as dues from their members.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:37:34am |
So, any computer-types out there? I'm only working P/T but I really needed a new laptop for work so I've been checking Craigslist. I think I got a good deal yesterday on an Acer. An unemployed mom was selling the new, free laptop her son got this summer for being in some state program for the new economy or something. Anyway, its got 2GB RAM, 160Gb, integrated g-wireless, etc.. so the hardware seems nice. Problem is, it's got Vista Home for an OS and Works (gag). I've got a licensed version of Office '03 from my old laptop. Can I transfer that to my new laptop? Can I at least just pay the upgrade price instead of new? Or, if I use OpenOffice, can I open others Office docs and spreadsheets? Can they open mine (without hoops to jump through or me looking sub-standard)?
Much thanks.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:37:57am |
re: #367 MandyManners
Science and technology!
My favorite quote:
The company was pleased; the union was disappointed.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:38:17am |
Obama's received some attaboys this week from the right on matters abroad (myself included). This article is a little more troubling:
One section of the article:
...In sum, the conclusion among Israelis is that the Obama administration won't lift a finger to stop Iran, much less will the "international community." So Israel has pursued a different strategy, in effect seeking to goad the U.S. into stopping, or at least delaying, an Israeli attack by imposing stiff sanctions and perhaps even launching military strikes of its own.Thus, unlike Israel's air strike against Iraq's reactor in 1981 or Syria's in 2007, both of which were planned in the utmost secrecy, the Israelis have gone out of their way to advertise their fears, purposes and capabilities. They have sent warships through the Suez Canal in broad daylight and conducted widely publicized air-combat exercises at long range. They have also been unusually forthcoming in their briefings with reporters, expressing confidence at every turn that Israel can get the job done.
The problem, however, is that the administration isn't taking the bait, and one has to wonder why. Perhaps it thinks its diplomacy will work, or that it has the luxury of time, or that it can talk the Israelis out of attacking. Alternatively, it might actually want Israel to attack without inviting the perception that it has colluded with it. Or maybe it isn't really paying attention.
But Israel is paying attention. And the longer the U.S. delays playing hardball with Iran, the sooner Israel is likely to strike...
More at the link.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:38:25am |
re: #356 wintercat
Which is exactly what Bertha Lewis did in her response to the O'Keefe/Giles video. ACORN is a victim here.
Bertha Lewis is a blithering idiot.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:38:32am |
re: #369 FrogMarch
A. Call the NYPD
B. Tell us to get the hell out
C. Bury sex money obtained through prostitution of young girls in "tin" under backyard.
D. Ask where the h3ll we found that idiotic pimp getup.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:39:10am |
re: #373 Spenser (with an S)
All I know is Vista sucks.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:39:13am |
re: #358 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Watch the markets should Obama keeps gaining in the polls.
Speaking of that, where is 3wood? I know his job was ending, but has anyone heard any updates?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:39:23am |
re: #366 laZardo
When they can make it power stuff like the Tesla Roadster for cheaper, then I'll be interested.
These "pod cars" are nice and all but they just feel so...depersonalizing.
Oh, check out the eestor information...they are working with Zenncars only on sub compact and smaller since Zenn has the exclusive licensing. This battery technology has applications across the electronic product spectrum. Lithium ion is soon to be (5 years to a decade) a phrase synonymous with 8 track tape...or at least cassette tape.
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Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:40:40am |
I can't believe the Dems are still pushing to punish Wilson. Even Obama said it was turning into a circus.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:41:19am |
re: #362 Chekote
He has not proposed any changes. Instead, he wants the RINOs out and constantly rails against moderates
Well, regardless of whether you think that is right or wrong, wouldn't that be a change and/or a reform to do that? That's what I meant. He is death on a 3rd party.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:41:23am |
My sciatica is rearing it's awful head so, I've resorted to taking a powerful pain-killer. This is unusual for me. I will not take OTC for headaches, and taking anything for insomnia is a major event. I hate medication.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:42:39am |
re: #379 Spenser (with an S)
Speaking of that, where is 3wood? I know his job was ending, but has anyone heard any updates?
No but, I wish he would pop in. I miss his economic stuff.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:42:47am |
re: #383 MandyManners
My sciatica is rearing it's awful head so, I've resorted to taking a powerful pain-killer. This is unusual for me. I will not take OTC for headaches, and taking anything for insomnia is a major event. I hate medication.
I keep my medication in liquid form.
/
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:43:06am |
re: #379 Spenser (with an S)
Speaking of that, where is 3wood? I know his job was ending, but has anyone heard any updates?
Haven't seen him around nor heard anything.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:43:35am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:44:17am |
re: #380 Oh no...Sand People!
$20k is actually pretty reasonable, though there are those evil gas-guzzling Kias and Hyundais offering radios, air conditioning and floormats as standard.
It's the irony, really. This is an era where we churn out iPhones that are almost laptops and at the same time we need to get back to "basics."
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:44:58am |
re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar
I keep my medication in liquid form.
/
Hell, right now I'd put up with IV morphine.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:45:29am |
re: #388 laZardo
$20k is actually pretty reasonable, though there are those evil gas-guzzling Kias and Hyundais offering radios, air conditioning and floormats as standard.
It's the irony, really. This is an era where we churn out iPhones that are almost laptops and at the same time we need to get back to "basics."
OT:
We need to get together for some food sometime.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:00am |
Is there like, an LGF user list or something?
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CommonCents Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:07am |
re: #367 MandyManners
Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union ...
It's like the sound of song birds whistling in the morning. That's the hope and change I like to hear.
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:09am |
re: #383 MandyManners
My sciatica is rearing it's awful head so, I've resorted to taking a powerful pain-killer. This is unusual for me. I will not take OTC for headaches, and taking anything for insomnia is a major event. I hate medication.
Sorry to hear it. Sciatica is one painful thing.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:24am |
re: #384 MandyManners
re: #379 Spenser (with an S)
Speaking of that, where is 3wood? I know his job was ending, but has anyone heard any updates?
No but, I wish he would pop in. I miss his economic stuff.
While we're doing a roll-call, do I just keep missing AussieMagpie or did she drop us?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:38am |
re: #389 MandyManners
Hell, right now I'd put up with IV morphine.
Maybe you should contact Michael Jackson's doctor. :)
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:45am |
re: #344 reloadingisnotahobby
Bennett??
That Bastid!!
I voted for him!
I'll write him a strongly worded ..."note'!!
Make sure you use boldface!
| 397 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:47:24am |
re: #390 Oh no...Sand People!
Ah yeah, you live near where I do. 0:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:48:30am |
re: #391 TheMatrix31
Is there like, an LGF user list or something?
Not that I know of. I could be wrong.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:48:49am |
Yeesh. I'm all for accountability and everything, but that there are some commenters who probably would have called for investigations into the Bush administration suddenly acting like:
The idea that acorn is the biggest problem our nation needs to be thinking about right now is stupid. Now that ACORN has become such a political liability I'm sure they will get rid of them. All I'm saying is, Can we get the troops home from Iraq and Afgahnistan before we as a nation tackle this oh so serious issue of ACORN workers being ghetto trash. pshhh
makes me facepalm.
/comment unedited for clarity.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:49:22am |
re: #381 Chekote
I can't believe the Dems are still pushing to punish Wilson. Even Obama said it was turning into a circus.
Apparently "speaking truth to power" went under the bus with "dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:50:24am |
re: #397 laZardo
Ah yeah, you live near where I do. 0:
Yeah, so far one of my favorite 'non-filipino' food here is at the Podium in Ortigas Center, 'The New Bombay' the stuff is awesome! In the 'filipino' I dig JT's Inasal in QC... Pork Spareribs... paa... ayos lang.
| 404 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:51:13am |
re: #377 wintercat
D. Ask where the h3ll we found that idiotic pimp getup.
It didn't pass the "you've go to be kidding me" test.
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Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:51:38am |
re: #400 JamesTKirk
You can always count on the Dems to overreach.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:52:07am |
re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar
First comment on Part 2 of the NYC video.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:52:23am |
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wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:52:32am |
re: #404 FrogMarch
It didn't pass the "you've go to be kidding me" test.
Amazing really. I mean O'Keefe looked like a cartoon character. I guess Giles offset him. She actually played her part to perfection.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:52:36am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:53:30am |
re: #403 Oh no...Sand People!
Best Filipino food I've had is my mom's home cookin'. :D Although I do prefer the Sbarros at Megamall in case I want something foreign. q:
/also, the LGF at Megamall has bowling. DUDE.
| 411 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:53:36am |
| 412 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:53:55am |
re: #409 TheMatrix31
But will he order an investigation? That's the question.
The most honest DOJ EVAH!!!
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:54:21am |
re: #400 JamesTKirk
Apparently "speaking truth to power" went under the bus with "dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
With Democrats [read: Nancy Dearest] you cannot simply apologize. No - you must grovel and beg for Nancy's supreme forgiveness -and then thank her for kindly kicking your teeth in.
| 414 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:54:57am |
re: #411 MandyManners
Has either Ice Weasel or Locker denounced that site yet?
I think there was a long discussion about all this on yesterday's overnight thread.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:55:50am |
re: #410 laZardo
Best Filipino food I've had is my mom's home cookin'. :D Although I do prefer the Sbarros at Megamall in case I want something foreign. q:
/also, the LGF at Megamall has bowling. DUDE.
Let's shoot for next week sometime. ok ka ba?
| 416 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:55:57am |
re: #414 thedopefishlives
I think there was a long discussion about all this on yesterday's overnight thread.
Feels like the last week, argh.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:57:00am |
re: #413 FrogMarch
With Democrats [read: Nancy Dearest] you cannot simply apologize. No - you must grovel and beg for Nancy's supreme forgiveness -and then thank her for kindly kicking your teeth in.
No, if you're a Republican and you make any mistakes, they don't stop hounding you until you resign from office altogether (and sometimes not even then).
If you're a Democrat, on the other hand, you can store bribe money in your freezer or get away with murder.
| 418 |
wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:57:51am |
re: #414 thedopefishlives
I think there was a long discussion about all this on yesterday's overnight thread.
Yes. There was.
| 419 |
Middle-Earth Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:58:20am |
re: #373 Spenser (with an S)
So, any computer-types out there? I'm only working P/T but I really needed a new laptop for work so I've been checking Craigslist. I think I got a good deal yesterday on an Acer. An unemployed mom was selling the new, free laptop her son got this summer for being in some state program for the new economy or something. Anyway, its got 2GB RAM, 160Gb, integrated g-wireless, etc.. so the hardware seems nice. Problem is, it's got Vista Home for an OS and Works (gag). I've got a licensed version of Office '03 from my old laptop. Can I transfer that to my new laptop? Can I at least just pay the upgrade price instead of new? Or, if I use OpenOffice, can I open others Office docs and spreadsheets? Can they open mine (without hoops to jump through or me looking sub-standard)?
Much thanks.
Just install your licensed version of Office '03, no problem, don't have to pay upgrade.
OpenOffice works with other Office docs and spreadsheets.
| 420 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:58:49am |
re: #415 Oh no...Sand People!
I'll see. Trying to get my university-mandated OJT (i.e. internship program) approved so I'll try to find some gaps.
| 421 |
wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:58:52am |
re: #411 MandyManners
Has either Ice Weasel or Locker denounced that site yet?
Not that I have seen.
| 422 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:58:53am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:59:14am |
Oh, it's hit. I'm floating on outta' here. Have a good day, Lizards. Be kind to one and all. O, wow. This is some good stuff. Wish I could share. Wouldn't be prudent. Oh, my gosh. Where' Dana Carvey? GHW Bush?
| 424 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:59:26am |
re: #417 JamesTKirk
No, if you're a Republican and you make any mistakes, they don't stop hounding you until you resign from office altogether (and sometimes not even then).
Not that this isn't entirely justified i.e. MARK FUCKING SANFORD.
| 425 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:59:44am |
re: #424 laZardo
Not that this isn't entirely justified i.e. MARK FUCKING SANFORD.
Somewhat, not entirely. Oh, you get the point. q:
| 427 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:00:16am |
re: #400 JamesTKirk
Apparently "speaking truth to power" went under the bus with "dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
1/1706.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:00:16am |
re: #419 Middle-Earth
Just install your licensed version of Office '03, no problem, don't have to pay upgrade.
OpenOffice works with other Office docs and spreadsheets.
Thank you, that helps me a lot.
| 429 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:00:29am |
Is there a new version of Open Office which works with the latest MS Office files? Because I installed Open Office on my home machines last year, and they weren't compatible with the new MS Office yet.
(Which obviously hasn't been a problem for me, or else I'd have already checked the Open Office site for new updates...)
| 431 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:01:17am |
re: #424 laZardo
Not that this isn't entirely justified i.e. MARK FUCKING SANFORD.
I'm not saying it's not sometimes justified, merely that it's extremely one-sided.
| 432 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:01:44am |
Morning,
I was one who thought that for the most part ACORN has been mainly an ideological thorn in the side of the right since ~2004, when Rove et al started grinding an axe against them. I thought of them as lefty and fairly loose, but thought (and still think) the voter registration fraud cases were overblown. However.
These vids do seem to be exposing some non-unique interior rot. WHile it is true that several other attempted stings in other cities failed to net anything, the ones that did hint that there are quality control issues in at least some regions front offices. It's a serious black eye(s) for ACORN, and one that cannot be as easily dodged, IMO. They're going to have to do a serious bottom up housecleaning if they want to get past this, and I don't see it happening soon. They've managed to vindicate their antagonists by not managing their own people properly.
| 433 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:01:58am |
re: #424 laZardo
Not that this isn't entirely justified i.e. MARK FUCKING SANFORD.
I wouldn't touch him with Dirk's dick.
| 435 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:02:26am |
re: #413 FrogMarch
With Democrats [read: Nancy Dearest] you cannot simply apologize. No - you must grovel and beg for Nancy's supreme forgiveness -and then thank her
for kindly kicking your teeth infor killing you painlessly.
Fix'd.
| 436 |
wintercat Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:02:33am |
re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar
Was it pro-ACORN at all?
The part that I was involved in was about the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud. I don't think anyone was necessarily Pro-Acorn. Just the back and forth about ACORN never being convicted of voter fraud.
I was on the receiving end of some nasty little insults and down dings. But then, it happens.
| 437 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:02:34am |
Catchy tune that electric car, reminded me a bit of Steely Dan for some reason. oh, morning all - sup? Hey a big shout out to o for approving the commando raid in Somalia, he seems to understand the importance of the war on terror.
| 438 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:07am |
re: #430 MandyManners
Oopsee.
You say that like a curious, professional media might notice and ask her a direct question.
/
| 439 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:18am |
re: #423 MandyManners
Oh, it's hit. I'm floating on outta' here. Have a good day, Lizards. Be kind to one and all. O, wow. This is some good stuff. Wish I could share. Wouldn't be prudent. Oh, my gosh. Where' Dana Carvey? GHW Bush?
Feel better, Mandy. Go relax.
| 440 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:19am |
re: #373 Spenser (with an S)
So, any computer-types out there? I'm only working P/T but I really needed a new laptop for work so I've been checking Craigslist. I think I got a good deal yesterday on an Acer. An unemployed mom was selling the new, free laptop her son got this summer for being in some state program for the new economy or something. Anyway, its got 2GB RAM, 160Gb, integrated g-wireless, etc.. so the hardware seems nice. Problem is, it's got Vista Home for an OS and Works (gag). I've got a licensed version of Office '03 from my old laptop. Can I transfer that to my new laptop? Can I at least just pay the upgrade price instead of new? Or, if I use OpenOffice, can I open others Office docs and spreadsheets? Can they open mine (without hoops to jump through or me looking sub-standard)?
Much thanks.
I would use Google Docs. There's no real reason for most people to have all of MS Office or even Open Office clogging up their computer. I'd use Chrome with Gmail, Google docs, Google calendar, etc...
If you have to absolutely have some special weird function that most people don't use in a spreadsheet or whatnot, then go with Open Office. Avoid MS Office like the plague because it slows your computer down and is just very clunky.
| 441 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:29am |
re: #420 laZardo
I'll see. Trying to get my university-mandated OJT (i.e. internship program) approved so I'll try to find some gaps.
Cge po.
| 443 |
Danny Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:58am |
Gotta go make some $$ to cover this &*$�(* quartery tax payment. BBL...
| 445 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:04:59am |
re: #440 Summer
I would use Google Docs. There's no real reason for most people to have all of MS Office or even Open Office clogging up their computer.
Unless they prefer to edit and store their documents on their own computers, rather than trusting that their privacy and rights will not be compromised.
| 446 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:05:35am |
re: #432 Coracle
Morning,
I was one who thought that for the most part ACORN has been mainly an ideological thorn in the side of the right since ~2004, when Rove et al started grinding an axe against them. I thought of them as lefty and fairly loose, but thought (and still think) the voter registration fraud cases were overblown. However.
These vids do seem to be exposing some non-unique interior rot. WHile it is true that several other attempted stings in other cities failed to net anything, the ones that did hint that there are quality control issues in at least some regions front offices. It's a serious black eye(s) for ACORN, and one that cannot be as easily dodged, IMO. They're going to have to do a serious bottom up housecleaning if they want to get past this, and I don't see it happening soon. They've managed to vindicate their antagonists by not managing their own people properly.
The corruption is systemic. Just look at how they are trying to deny everything e.g. Willie Horton and the videos were doctored. When there is a cover up there are rotten people to the core of the organization.
| 447 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:06:57am |
re: #445 JamesTKirk
*points to Google's Offline mode*.
And sure, if you are that concerned over privacy that you don't even use a webmail address, go ahead and use Open Office. I didn't say nobody had a reason, I just said that most people don't have a reason. =)
| 448 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:07:26am |
| 449 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:08:02am |
re: #446 turn
The corruption is systemic. Just look at how they are trying to deny everything e.g. Willie Horton and the videos were doctored. When there is a cover up there are rotten people to the core of the organization.
If they don't execute a major and visible internal housecleaning, then I will be inclined to agree with you.
| 450 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:08:51am |
| 452 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:08:59am |
re: #364 MandyManners
And this,boys and girls is why you should NEVER film anything!!
...Prez Obama!
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96RoadKing Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:09:03am |
re: #446 turn
The corruption is systemic. Just look at how they are trying to deny everything e.g. Willie Horton and the videos were doctored. When there is a cover up there are rotten people to the core of the organization.
I remember a nasty experience with ACORN back in 1988. I don't think the systemic corruption is anything new. I think it's part of their corporate philosophy going back to the founding. "Whatever it takes" seems to be the guiding rule with them. Just my opinion.
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turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:09:19am |
re: #449 Coracle
If they don't execute a major and visible internal housecleaning, then I will be inclined to agree with you.
The leader of the organization is the one denying everything.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:09:20am |
| 456 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:10:11am |
re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar
They just need more taxpayer money...
[Link: www.rottenacorn.com...]
Oh, I read about that website in an article earlier. I'll check it out ...
| 457 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:10:31am |
re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar
Acording to Ron White ...if you purchase Jonny Walker
in bulk they'll send you a Scottie puppy!
| 458 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:10:52am |
re: #454 turn
The leader of the organization is the one denying everything.
Then he's torpedoing his own org's remaining credibility.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:10:53am |
re: #440 Summer
Thanks so much. As long as compatibility isn't an issue, I have no love lost for Microsoft.
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turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:11:00am |
re: #451 ggt
Morning Lizards!
What's up?
Morning ggt, came to find out this AM that the US did the raid in Somalia - not the Fwench.
| 461 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:11:04am |
Four hours until I leave for the airport.
All packed.
| 462 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:11:22am |
re: #457 reloadingisnotahobby
Acording to Ron White ...if you purchase Jonny Walker
in bulk they'll send you a Scottie puppy!
He funny...
| 463 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:11:39am |
Good morning.
No, kids, that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" stuff is just SOOO 2008.
Now the options are:
-Conformity is the highest form of patriotism;
and/or
-Dissent is the highest form of racism
| 464 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:12:24am |
re: #447 Summer
*points to Google's Offline mode*.
And sure, if you are that concerned over privacy that you don't even use a webmail address, go ahead and use Open Office. I didn't say nobody had a reason, I just said that most people don't have a reason. =)
But if you're offline, then you must have the application installed on your computer, no?
| 465 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:12:36am |
re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar
They just need more taxpayer money...
[Link: www.rottenacorn.com...]
Is ice in here? How the hell can you argue there is no Acorn voter fraud?
| 466 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:12:41am |
re: #463 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
No, kids, that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" stuff is just SOOO 2008.
Now the options are:
-Conformity is the highest form of patriotism;
and/or
-Dissent is the highest form of racism
and, lets not forget:
-I won, so shut up
| 467 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:12:49am |
re: #456 turn
OK boys and girls,can you say "Pattern of Corruption"?
I knew you could!
| 468 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:12:55am |
re: #463 Occasional Reader
"We're still dissenting against a system that's had its own twisted interpretations of liberty for 200 years. But those that perpetuate these ills have adapted by co-opting our tactics."
/
| 469 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:13:20am |
re: #460 turn
Morning ggt, came to find out this AM that the US did the raid in Somalia - not the Fwench.
What, When?
How's it going?
| 470 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:13:51am |
re: #463 Occasional Reader
-Conformity is the highest form of patriotism
But, but, but... I want to be a nonconformist... just like all my friends!
| 471 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:14:03am |
re: #462 Cannadian Club Akbar
We've seen him live twice...My sides hurt for a day!
| 472 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:14:15am |
re: #461 Alouette
Four hours until I leave for the airport.
All packed.
Have a blessed wedding! Did I miss any job news from you?
| 473 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:14:31am |
re: #470 MrSilverDragon
But, but, but... I want to be a nonconformist... just like all my friends!
And I am different...just like everyone else.
| 474 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:14:48am |
re: #470 MrSilverDragon
"I'm so nonconformist, I won't conform to any of you." - that one Goth kid from South Park
/wisdom.
| 475 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:15:06am |
re: #453 96RoadKing
I remember a nasty experience with ACORN back in 1988. I don't think the systemic corruption is anything new. I think it's part of their corporate philosophy going back to the founding. "Whatever it takes" seems to be the guiding rule with them. Just my opinion.
Hi 98, yes if there were honest people in the organization they would admit corruption, boot the people out, and make amends. But what do they do? Cover up = corruption to the core.
| 476 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:15:07am |
re: #464 JamesTKirk
But if you're offline, then you must have the application installed on your computer, no?
If you enable offline mode (top of each window of each area: gmail/calendar/docs/etc...) then it will enable "Google Gears" which is a mini app in the background which downloads your latest stuff and stores them locally. This means you can have access to your stuff even when you're not connected to the internet. =)
| 477 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:15:43am |
| 478 |
Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:16:27am |
House GOP to call for total cutoff of federal funds to ACORN
Today House Republicans will introduce a bill that would end all federal funding to ACORN and its affiliates. Republicans are also sending a letter to President Obama on the same subject.
Except for seven Democrat ACORN enablers, it was a bipartisan landslide in the Senate.
/will the House go on record too or will Blinky try and block a vote?
| 479 |
gregb Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:16:29am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
I don't care what they come out with- it couldn't top this hybrid BMW
Seriously bad ass looking.
I like it, though I think they stole some ideas from the new Mclaren. Bugatti also revealed a 4-door sedan yesterday. It looks like a Panamera. Bleah.
At least they're unique.
| 480 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:16:47am |
re: #460 turn
Morning ggt, came to find out this AM that the US did the raid in Somalia - not the Fwench.
I saw that, too.
Props to Obama for giving the order.
And, more importantly, Heros' Laurels to our outstanding Special Operations Forces, those proverbial rough men who stand ready to do violence on our behalf, so that we may sleep peaceably in our beds. (Yes, I know this "Orwell" quote is of dubious provenance, but it's still a great quote.)
We are truly blessed to have these men volunteering to hunt down the bad guys.
| 481 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:17:10am |
| 482 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:18:02am |
| 483 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:18:29am |
re: #480 Occasional Reader
Not quite redemption for Blackhawk Down, but it's a start.
| 484 |
96RoadKing Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:18:44am |
re: #478 Killian Bundy
House GOP to call for total cutoff of federal funds to ACORN
Except for seven Democrat ACORN enablers, it was a bipartisan landslide in the Senate./will the House go on record too or will Blinky try and block a vote?
Damn. Could this thing actually have some legs? I guess being on Fox News every day for a week might actually have gotten some attention!
| 485 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:18:48am |
re: #463 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
No, kids, that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" stuff is just SOOO 2008.
Now the options are:
-Conformity is the highest form of patriotism;
and/or
-Dissent is the highest form of racism
Don't know if you watched O'Reilly and Hannity last night but they were all over that theme OR.
| 486 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:18:52am |
Off to work to make my daily millions...of Zimbabwean dollars
| 487 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:19:16am |
re: #478 Killian Bundy
House GOP to call for total cutoff of federal funds to ACORN
Except for seven Democrat ACORN enablers, it was a bipartisan landslide in the Senate.
/will the House go on record too or will Blinky try and block a vote?
Before the vote, ACORN asked for another $6 million.
| 488 |
96RoadKing Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:20:09am |
re: #487 NJDhockeyfan
Before the vote, ACORN asked for another $6 million.
But it was necessary funding they needed to 'help' people!
| 489 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:20:15am |
re: #478 Killian Bundy
Excellent place to start cleaning house...
Waste and Corruption aplenty!
| 490 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:20:16am |
re: #466 Desert Dog
and, lets not forget:
-I won, so shut up
or - We inherited this mess from the previous administration
| 491 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:20:51am |
re: #488 96RoadKing
But it was necessary funding they needed to 'help' people!
Or pay the upcoming attorney fees.
| 492 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:21:08am |
Drive by...New ACORN video from San Bernadino...ACORN woman says prostitution is OK. bbl
| 493 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:21:09am |
re: #473 Oh no...Sand People!
And I am different...just like everyone else.
You are all individuals! You must think for yourself!
| 494 |
Middle-Earth Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:21:21am |
re: #429 JamesTKirk
Is there a new version of Open Office which works with the latest MS Office files? Because I installed Open Office on my home machines last year, and they weren't compatible with the new MS Office yet.
(Which obviously hasn't been a problem for me, or else I'd have already checked the Open Office site for new updates...)
| 495 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:21:34am |
re: #474 laZardo
"I'm so nonconformist, I won't conform to any of you." - that one Goth kid from South Park
/wisdom.
Wow. You just got Goth-served.
| 497 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:21:53am |
re: #467 reloadingisnotahobby
OK boys and girls,can you say "Pattern of Corruption"?
I knew you could!
Morning reload. Somewhat off topic but Axelrod's attempt to downplay the protest was a friggin joke, these guys are frightened as hell.
| 498 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:22:31am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
I didn't notice a fourth one. Same duo?
| 499 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:23:04am |
re: #496 Irish Rose
Morning, Rose. Much happier in here today.
| 501 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:23:19am |
re: #497 turn
Hey!!
They should be!!
Hope we can keep the pressure up!
A Tsunami wave of pressure...
| 503 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:23:51am |
re: #469 ggt
What, When?
How's it going?
Oh here
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Going good, thanks. I'm going to have to actually get some work done today - can't play LGF much ).:
| 504 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:23:59am |
| 505 |
Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:24:18am |
re: #463 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
No, kids, that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" stuff is just SOOO 2008.
Now the options are:
-Conformity is the highest form of patriotism;
and/or
-Dissent is the highest form of racism
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans welcomed dissent during the Bush administration. Can anyone refresh my memory?
| 506 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:24:51am |
re: #472 Spenser (with an S)
Have a blessed wedding! Did I miss any job news from you?
Oh the wedding was last week! Today I'm going to Israel.
Job-seeking will resume when I return.
| 507 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:25:20am |
re: #506 Alouette
Oh the wedding was last week! Today I'm going to Israel.
Job-seeking will resume when I return.
Happy trails, and stay safe. (:
| 508 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:25:25am |
I'm a government contractor, working for Immigration Services. Acorn has protested outside my building a couple of times. It's kind of fun to watch.
| 509 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:25:50am |
re: #506 Alouette
Praying you will have a safe and beautiful trip...
Take lots of pics!
| 510 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:26:03am |
re: #494 Middle-Earth
The last time I tried, OO could read the docx format, but couldn't write it. I had to save as .doc.
But that was several months ago.
| 511 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:26:06am |
So this bill that the Senate passed would cut off all funding from EVERY federal source for ACORN?
| 512 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:26:10am |
re: #506 Alouette
Oh the wedding was last week! Today I'm going to Israel.
Job-seeking will resume when I return.
Have you tried indeed.com for job searching? It's really good.
| 513 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:26:19am |
re: #505 Flyers1974
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans welcomed dissent during the Bush administration. Can anyone refresh my memory?
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans labelled all dissenters fascists, bused in unions to beat them up, bit off their fingers, set up a link on the whitehouse.gov website to compile enemies lists of dissenters, etc. Can anyone refresh my memory?
| 514 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:27:08am |
re: #508 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm a government contractor, working for Immigration Services. Acorn has protested outside my building a couple of times. It's kind of fun to watch.
Sic the squirrels on them.
/
| 515 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:27:52am |
re: #511 TheMatrix31
Good question...
I've heard that for EVERY loan closed over 100K Acorn gets 40 bucks...WTF? Is this true??
Have no idea how to factcheck that one!
| 516 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:29:41am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
I don't care what they come out with- it couldn't top this hybrid BMW
Seriously bad ass looking.
The Teslas make all others look like cuddly puppies in comparison.
Not a big fan of electrics in general, primarily because the same folks pushing them aren't doing anything to expand electric power generation. The grid needs downtime for the producers to maintain their equipment, and pushing electrics means that those power generators have to run more at night to power the electric rechargers.
Solar isn't the solution for that, unless you tie it in with a battery/capacitor storage setup to allow power to be pumped into the grid when it's needed and not just when it's produced.
Nuclear is the way to go, and Harry Reid has done everything imaginable to kill nuclear in the country by preventing the national storage of nuclear waste at Yucca Mt.
Nuclear is also the only way to seriously curtail emissions,reducing the need for new coal plants, which provide the bulk of our nation's electric needs.
Oh, and the electrics will also push states to consider VMTs - per-mile taxes on vehicles because gas tax revenues will fall as people adopt hybrids and other high fuel economy vehicles. Unintended consequences and all that.
| 517 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:30:30am |
| 519 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:32:24am |
re: #513 JamesTKirk
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans labelled all dissenters fascists
What? How about today? No, today that's just "truth to power", I suppose. Back when the Dems were the dissenters they were merely "unAmerican".
bit off their fingers
Oh, yes, that was a premeditated act by a Democratic operative. Give me a break.
The Bush Enemies list has as much credibility as the Obama List: i.e. none.
| 520 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:32:33am |
[Link: ballotpedia.org...]
Did find this!
Soros is no suprise!
| 521 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:32:59am |
re: #501 reloadingisnotahobby
Hey!!
They should be!!
Hope we can keep the pressure up!
A Tsunami wave of pressure...
Sure there were some fringe groups at the protest but I'm willing to bet the vast majority weren't kooks. I don't think you can make a good argument to the contrary by singling out what represents a drop in the bucket of protest signs.
| 522 |
Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:33:10am |
re: #490 turn
or - We inherited this mess from the previous administration
re: #513 JamesTKirk
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans labelled all dissenters fascists, bused in unions to beat them up, bit off their fingers, set up a link on the whitehouse.gov website to compile enemies lists of dissenters, etc. Can anyone refresh my memory?
From this, it looks like the Democrats have the Republicans on the run. Literally.
| 523 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:33:46am |
re: #517 turn
Morning Rose, is that stalker site still shut down?
Last night, Charles said they were back up with a host in Lithuania.
Which means by now, all the stalkers have their machines loaded with malware and their credit card numbers and bank logins will be sent to the hackers as soon as they log in to their banks. Assuming they have one.
/partially sarc on the latter; former SU countries are notorious for hackers.
| 524 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:34:03am |
re: #503 turn
Oh here
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Going good, thanks. I'm going to have to actually get some work done today - can't play LGF much ).:
Oh, I read that yesterday. I thought you were talking about some past history.
have some fun at work, if possible.
| 525 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:34:40am |
re: #521 turn
The % was low from what I saw on C-Span...Actually I didn't see KOOKS in the hour I watched!
| 526 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:35:11am |
OT:
Al Qaeda in Somalia vows revenge for killing of terror master responsible for embassy bombings and other mass murder.
Somalia is a failed state. Al Qaeda thrives in such conditions. The failure to get a handle on such regions means that they will continue to be a threat. That's always been the problem, and until that problem is recognized, we'll continue to deal with issues like piracy and terrorism emanating from Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Gaza, etc.
| 527 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:35:37am |
re: #515 reloadingisnotahobby
Good question...
I've heard that for EVERY loan closed over 100K Acorn gets 40 bucks...WTF? Is this true??
Have no idea how to factcheck that one!
referral fees in the mortgage loan business are not uncommon. If I recommend someone to my lender, I get a perk --usually gift cards for dinner.
| 528 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:36:12am |
re: #508 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm a government contractor, working for Immigration Services. Acorn has protested outside my building a couple of times. It's kind of fun to watch.
I'm curious mad, what percentage of them are white?
| 529 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:36:22am |
Not much love for Bush these days...
Bush, 2008: “There is no conservative movement”; Update: Palin “unprepared”, McCain “a five-spiral crash”
He's one of those pesky "centrists" now, I guess.
| 530 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:36:38am |
re: #505 Flyers1974
Just had to drop in for a moment for this:
I can't seem to recall at the moment whether the Republicans welcomed dissent during the Bush administration. Can anyone refresh my memory?
"Whether the Republicans welcomed dissent..." What the the hell does the question even mean?
Frankly, the "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" quote was ALWAYS stupid (including when, ah, *your* candidated uttered this laughably sophomoric line from the podium). Whether dissent is patriotic kind of depends on the NATURE of the dissent, now, doesn't it?
But my point was, it's funny how all those "dissent is patritotic" liberals suddenly worship posters of the President, and decry anyone asking questions as "un-American".
| 531 |
Middle-Earth Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:36:45am |
re: #510 Kosh's Shadow
The last time I tried, OO could read the docx format, but couldn't write it. I had to save as .doc.
But that was several months ago.
It still can't, but as you said: saving it as .doc makes other MSofiice users able to read it.
| 532 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:37:33am |
re: #528 turn
Why!!!
You can't ask that Turn!!!
///
| 533 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:37:50am |
re: #530 Occasional Reader
But my point was, it's funny how all those "dissent is patritotic" liberals suddenly worship posters of the President, and decry anyone asking questions as "un-American".
Just like conservatives did from 2001-8.
...
BIPARTISANSHIP!
| 534 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:38:33am |
re: #512 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you tried indeed.com for job searching? It's really good.
Thanks for that link, I passed it on to an unemployed friend.
| 536 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:39:33am |
Let me ask a question, bear with me.
American's are unhappy with government. There are a lot of issues, but mostly it centers around money--specifically Taxes.
How does this differ from 1776?
| 537 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:39:43am |
re: #530 Occasional Reader
But my point was, it's funny how all those "dissent is patritotic" liberals suddenly worship posters of the President, and decry anyone asking questions as "un-American".
That accusation is as broad-brush incorrect now as it was 3 years ago coming from the other side.
Our Side Can Do No Wrong - Other Side Can Do No Right.
| 538 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:40:23am |
re: #530 Occasional Reader
Just had to drop in for a moment for this:
"Whether the Republicans welcomed dissent..." What the the hell does the question even mean?
Frankly, the "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" quote was ALWAYS stupid (including when, ah, *your* candidated uttered this laughably sophomoric line from the podium). Whether dissent is patriotic kind of depends on the NATURE of the dissent, now, doesn't it?
But my point was, it's funny how all those "dissent is patritotic" liberals suddenly worship posters of the President, and decry anyone asking questions as "un-American".
You unbellyfeel Obamasoc.
Report to room 101 immediately.
| 539 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:40:56am |
re: #535 Jimmah
Good morning, Jimmah.
I have something I'd like to discuss with you, would you mind emailing?
| 540 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:41:13am |
re: #533 laZardo
Just like conservatives did from 2001-8.
...
BIPARTISANSHIP!
Really?
Give me an example, please, of someone as high-ranking in the GOP as Nancy Pelosi is in the Dems, publicly calling people protesting against Bush anywhere from 2001 - 2008 "un-American" (in Speaker Pelosi's now immortal words).
| 541 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:41:49am |
re: #536 ggt
Let me ask a question, bear with me.
American's are unhappy with government. There are a lot of issues, but mostly it centers around money--specifically Taxes.
How does this differ from 1776?
We get to elect our leaders; we were ruled by the Crown in 1776.
Not that we get much of a choice, though.
| 542 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:42:02am |
| 543 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:42:47am |
Mixed bag on economic front. The lede reads that retail sales increased by seasonally adjusted 2.7%, but once you exclude sales of cars and auto parts that were goosed by the cash for clunkers, sales increased by 1.1%, which could end up being revised downwards.
You know what they say about statistics...
| 544 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:42:51am |
re: #537 Coracle
That accusation is as broad-brush incorrect now as it was 3 years ago coming from the other side.
Our Side Can Do No Wrong - Other Side Can Do No Right.
Funny thing is, I'm a Democrat. So much for "sides".
But I live in Deep Blue Washington, DC, and I know of what I speak. And I'm terribly sorry, but there was nothing remotely like the Obama Personality Cult surrounding Bush, ever. Not even close.
| 545 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:43:29am |
re: #523 Kosh's Shadow
Last night, Charles said they were back up with a host in Lithuania.
Which means by now, all the stalkers have their machines loaded with malware and their credit card numbers and bank logins will be sent to the hackers as soon as they log in to their banks. Assuming they have one.
/partially sarc on the latter; former SU countries are notorious for hackers.
I didn't know about the hacker thing. Incindentally I've never actually logged into that stalker site. Do they use there previous LGF nics there?
| 546 |
Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:43:35am |
Keith Floyd has died.
Keith Floyd was that very rarest of things: and Englishman who both loved and understood food.
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
| 547 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:44:14am |
I've been reading the Amazon UK reviews of Dawkins' new book (it doesn't come to the US until 9/22). With only 16 reviews, it's not yet showing the predictable barbell profile (a lot of 4/5 star reviews, not much in the middle, and an equal number of 1 star reviews from card carrying members of DI). I suspect the only people who actually bothered to read the book were the ones who gave it 4 or 5 star reviews. It sounds like a good read.
| 548 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:44:23am |
| 549 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:44:39am |
re: #522 Flyers1974
From this, it looks like the Democrats have the Republicans on the run. Literally.
2010, we'll see.
| 550 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:44:40am |
re: #540 Occasional Reader
Really?
Give me an example, please, of someone as high-ranking in the GOP as Nancy Pelosi is in the Dems, publicly calling people protesting against Bush anywhere from 2001 - 2008 "un-American" (in Speaker Pelosi's now immortal words).
Not to mention the President himself telling his stormtroopers to "visit your neighbors" and "get in their faces" to stamp out any dissent.
| 551 |
Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:45:01am |
re: #530 Occasional Reader
Just had to drop in for a moment for this:
"Whether the Republicans welcomed dissent..." What the the hell does the question even mean?Frankly, the "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" quote was ALWAYS stupid (including when, ah, *your* candidated uttered this laughably sophomoric line from the podium). Whether dissent is patriotic kind of depends on the NATURE of the dissent, now, doesn't it?
But my point was, it's funny how all those "dissent is patritotic" liberals suddenly worship posters of the President, and decry anyone asking questions as "un-American".
Of course it's a trite line. My point was that Bush and Obama's supporters have flipped their positions. Bush's supporters absolutely labled the Democrats asking questions as unpatriotic. And the Democrats responded with "dissent is patriotic." Now we see the reverse.
| 552 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:46:49am |
re: #525 reloadingisnotahobby
The % was low from what I saw on C-Span...Actually I didn't see KOOKS in the hour I watched!
FOX interviewed some really sane people at the protest. I think one would actually have to be present to form an opinion as to the % of kooks, hard to do that sitting at a computer all day for sure.
| 553 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:46:51am |
re: #540 Occasional Reader
Looking for some now, though Google is "updated" full of Pelosi's comments.
| 554 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:47:30am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
Jon Stewart Returns, Slams Glenn Beck And Tea Party Protesters (VIDEO)
I loved the hannity clip.
| 555 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:47:44am |
re: #545 turn
I didn't know about the hacker thing. Incindentally I've never actually logged into that stalker site. Do they use there previous LGF nics there?
I never went to the site, either, but Charles linked to a Google cache of one thread. No, they don't always use the same nics. Some do, most don't, from what I've seen.
From what I saw of the cache, they had some threads supposedly on interesting topics, but spent the time bashing lgf instead of discussing the actual topic. Who needs that. Even if I did find myself leaving LGF, I'd want to find some place with interesting discussion, not where everyone is consumed with hate for a blog - not people who want to kill them, but a blog. What losers.
| 556 |
Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:48:33am |
re: #539 Irish Rose
Good morning, Jimmah.
I have something I'd like to discuss with you, would you mind emailing?
Sure, no probs.
| 557 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:48:52am |
re: #540 Occasional Reader
Well, there was John Conyers calling for Bush's impeachment (still is). Oh wait... /
| 558 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:49:03am |
re: #550 JamesTKirk
Not to mention the President himself telling his stormtroopers to "visit your neighbors" and "get in their faces" to stamp out any dissent.
I will say, JTK, that "stormtroopers" is over the top.
| 559 |
Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:49:16am |
re: #550 JamesTKirk
Not to mention the President himself telling his stormtroopers to "visit your neighbors" and "get in their faces" to stamp out any dissent.
Do you think Obama's words here resulted in any dissent whatsoever being stamped out?
| 560 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:50:13am |
re: #558 Occasional Reader
I will say, JTK, that "stormtroopers" is over the top.
(Not to mention that if they're "stormtroopers", that would make us... EWOKS! aIEEE!)
| 561 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:50:37am |
re: #547 John Neverbend
I very much enjoyed the Dawkins-Lennox debates. Two geniuses who respect the others' credentials but with very different views on life.
| 562 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:50:45am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
Drive by...New ACORN video from San Bernadino...ACORN woman says prostitution is OK. bbl
My opinion of San Bernardino wasn't high when my car was stolen from a mall there...1980...
Rapidly gone down hill from there...
| 563 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #536 ggt
Let me ask a question, bear with me.
American's are unhappy with government. There are a lot of issues, but mostly it centers around money--specifically Taxes.
How does this differ from 1776?
We don't have a king without representation. Say what you will, the country voted in the people we have today.
That's the difference, and a fairly significant one it is at that.
Just because some don't like the policies it is currently enacting doesn't mean that the country didn't choose those people in a free election.
The other difference is that nobody is going to set up barracks in your house without consent, and nobody is going to hang you for badmouthing the leader who lives overseas in another part of the world and acts like he owns the place.
| 564 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:51:03am |
Right. This is from a pro-gay-rights site, but it's the first one I could pick up through all the Pelosi stuff.
In 2007, Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy."
| 565 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:51:36am |
re: #532 reloadingisnotahobby
Why!!!
You can't ask that Turn!!!
///
I hesitated a bit ... but what the hell
| 567 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:53:13am |
re: #535 Jimmah
Morning all :)
Ash - Orpheus
Quite different from the electric version with percussion.
Interesting, but kind of lame without the oomph.
| 568 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:53:19am |
re: #566 Occasional Reader
Check my #564 on your way out. Also, the transcript of the Meet The Press episode referenced. Cheers.
| 569 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:53:55am |
re: #516 lawhawk
Oh, and the electrics will also push states to consider VMTs - per-mile taxes on vehicles because gas tax revenues will fall as people adopt hybrids and other high fuel economy vehicles. Unintended consequences and all that.
That's a point I hadn't really considered before- reduced revenue from the gas tax due to more fuel efficient cars. Kind of reminds me of cigarette taxes- they've gone up because they keep pushing people away from smoking, which costs them revenue when people quit, so they raise the taxes again to compensate, and more people quit smoking because it's to expensive.
| 572 |
Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:54:50am |
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
‘Apostate’ Hussain Muradi freed from Immigration detention
Your View, September 14th 2009, 4:33 pm
Thanks to everyone who has been taking action on behalf of Hussain Muradi – several 1,000 of you that we know of in the last 48 hours. He has now been released from the Dover Immigration Removal Centre and given temporary admission; we can now help secure his right to asylum. We will let you know how you can help further as the new representations for Hussain are made in the coming weeks and months, but thanks again for everything you have done so far! It has made a world of difference.
Upon his release early afternoon today, Hussain asked Maryam Namazie to pass on the following message:
‘I would like to thank everyone who has been supportive of me in the past few days, sending faxes, emails, making phone calls, on Youtube and elsewhere. I’d especially like to thank the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain, the British Humanist Association, my local MP Robert Marshall-Andrews, my solicitor, Maryam Namazie, Andrew Copson and Nora Mulready. It’s a great day for me but my fight is not yet over. I have only been given temporary admission and will have to sign in at a police station every week until my case is resolved so I will be looking to you for help in the near future.’
| 573 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:55:34am |
re: #561 Spenser (with an S)
I very much enjoyed the Dawkins-Lennox debates. Two geniuses who respect the others' credentials but with very different views on life.
I haven't seen them, but I can see various items on the web. How many debates were there, and were they all about the existence or non-existence of God or were some about the subject that Dawkins really knows well, i.e. neo-Darwinism?
| 574 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:55:48am |
re: #551 Flyers1974
Of course it's a trite line. My point was that Bush and Obama's supporters have flipped their positions. Bush's supporters absolutely labled the Democrats asking questions as unpatriotic. And the Democrats responded with "dissent is patriotic." Now we see the reverse.
By "Bush's supporters" do you mean people in the administration?
| 575 |
Big Steve Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:56:43am |
So I guess it is official since the surrogate White House Press office - The Huffington Post is now reporting it...the President did call Kanye West an asshole. Wouldn't you have loved to have been the political aid who spent the evening running the numbers and then got to rush in this morning and tell his bosses that the polling numbers are good on the "off the record asshole comment." No matter, I am officially giving Obama an upding.
| 576 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:57:48am |
re: #528 turn
I'm curious mad, what percentage of them are white?
I don't know, but it looked like a mostly Latino crowd. When they do their little protest, I usually just go outside for a minute to read their signs and listen to what they are chanting.
| 577 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:57:51am |
re: #569 Sharmuta
And here in NYC, Mayor Bloomberg is now pushing to expand the no-smoking ban to public places, including beaches and parks.
| 578 |
Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:58:45am |
re: #574 turn
By "Bush's supporters" do you mean people in the administration?
No, I mean radio/tv talking heads, blogs, private individuals.
| 579 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:59:24am |
| 580 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:59:38am |
re: #577 lawhawk
NYC has beaches??
I did not know that!!
| 581 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:59:54am |
re: #577 lawhawk
And here in NYC, Mayor Bloomberg is now pushing to expand the no-smoking ban to public places, including beaches and parks.
Pretty soon, apartment dwellers will have to stick towels under their doors to keep the smoke from being detected.
And then, someone will open an illegal meeting place where smokers can get together and smoke.
Yes, a smokeeasy.
| 582 |
Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:59:54am |
re: #567 Spare O'Lake
Quite different from the electric version with percussion.
Interesting, but kind of lame without the oomph.
Ah, the old acoustic/electric debate! I normally come down heavily on the side of electric, but on this occasion I'm going with the acoustic - mostly because it brings Charlotte Hatherley's gorgeous harmonies right up to the front (where they should be).
| 583 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:00:03am |
re: #578 Flyers1974
No, I mean radio/tv talking heads, blogs, private individuals.
Okay, well, that's an entirely different animal from official Administration spokespeople.
| 584 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:00:12am |
re: #575 Big Steve
So I guess it is official since the surrogate White House Press office - The Huffington Post is now reporting it...the President did call Kanye West an asshole. Wouldn't you have loved to have been the political aid who spent the evening running the numbers and then got to rush in this morning and tell his bosses that the polling numbers are good on the "off the record asshole comment." No matter, I am officially giving Obama an upding.
I thought it was jackass ...
| 585 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:01:16am |
re: #578 Flyers1974
No, I mean radio/tv talking heads, blogs, private individuals.
Well then that's different than the argument OR was making, it's people like Pelosi and Axlerod who are dissing disent ...
| 586 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:01:36am |
re: #581 Kosh's Shadow
Pretty soon, apartment dwellers will have to stick towels under their doors to keep the smoke from being detected.
And then, someone will open an illegal meeting place where smokers can get together and smoke.
Yes, a smokeeasy.
Cigarettes will be illegal and pot will be legalized soon.
| 587 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #577 lawhawk
And here in NYC, Mayor Bloomberg is now pushing to expand the no-smoking ban to public places, including beaches and parks.
The hypocrisy is what really bothers me. They won't ban tobacco because they make too much revenue on it.
| 588 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:02:08am |
re: #585 turn
See #568, Congressman Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy" in 2007...
| 589 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:02:51am |
re: #573 John Neverbend
re: #561 Spenser (with an S)
I very much enjoyed the Dawkins-Lennox debates. Two geniuses who respect the others' credentials but with very different views on life.
I haven't seen them, but I can see various items on the web. How many debates were there, and were they all about the existence or non-existence of God or were some about the subject that Dawkins really knows well, i.e. neo-Darwinism?
I think there were three, held at Oxford. They were basically about the existence (or not) of God.
| 591 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:03:37am |
re: #581 Kosh's Shadow
Pretty soon, apartment dwellers will have to stick towels under their doors to keep the smoke from being detected.
And then, someone will open an illegal meeting place where smokers can get together and smoke.
Yes, a smokeeasy.
Dennis Leary had an old joke about that- smokers can only smoke in their apartments, under blankets, with all the lights out.
This was from the 90s. Maybe he's a prophet.
| 592 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:03:46am |
re: #588 laZardo
See #568, Congressman Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy" in 2007...
I would have to agree with him then zardo ...
| 593 |
Big Steve Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:04:05am |
re: #584 turn
I thought it was jackass ...
oops...you are right...jackass...a fine distinction from asshole!
| 594 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:04:39am |
re: #588 laZardo
See #568, Congressman Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy" in 2007...
Okay, so then I come back to the distinction I tried to make a few days ago. Opposing a war should be in a different category than opposing domestic agenda items like socialized health care.
| 595 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:15am |
re: #586 NJDhockeyfan
Cigarettes will be illegal and pot will be legalized soon.
Pot should never have been illegal in the first place... but I digress.
As for cigarettes, there's no need to make them illegal because the cost is getting so high, hardly anyone will want to buy them in the first place.
| 596 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:24am |
re: #575 Big Steve
So I guess it is official since the surrogate White House Press office - The Huffington Post is now reporting it...the President did call Kanye West an asshole. Wouldn't you have loved to have been the political aid who spent the evening running the numbers and then got to rush in this morning and tell his bosses that the polling numbers are good on the "off the record asshole comment." No matter, I am officially giving Obama an upding.
I agree, and Kanye West is an asshole. And I think Beyonce has a lot of grace for how she tried to fix Kanye's major display of stupid at the end.
| 597 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:39am |
re: #580 reloadingisnotahobby
You have heard of Coney Island, haven't you? It's still around. In fact, there are quite a few beaches in NYC, including City Island, Manhattan Beach, Brighton Beach, and South Beach (on Staten Island).
| 598 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:39am |
re: #592 turn
Though that was the point me, F74 and Coracle were trying to make though. Government officials supportive of an administration calling opposition "un-American" for dissenting against the administration policy isn't strictly partisan, issue be damned.
| 599 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:41am |
re: #588 laZardo
See #568, Congressman Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy" in 2007...
Weren't these the same 'protestors' who were trying to stop supplies reaching our troops by blocking the sea ports and dockworkers?
| 600 |
avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:47am |
re: #554 Sharmuta
I loved the hannity clip.
Seniors watch Beck and the like, the kids watch Stewart. If noting changes, the Dems just need to wait until its base dies off.
| 601 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:49am |
re: #593 Big Steve
oops...you are right...jackass...a fine distinction from asshole!
I watched that Kayne video clip on O'Reilly last night, that poor girl was terrified!
| 602 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05:54am |
re: #589 Spenser (with an S)
I think there were three, held at Oxford. They were basically about the existence (or not) of God.
There is "fossil" evidence on Youtube (most of the videos seem to have been pulled because of copyright infringements). I found a MP3 of one of the debates, and I'll listen to it. There's an article by Melanie Phillips, claiming that Dawkins has done an "Anthony Flew" and now admits that there is a credible argument for the existence of God. I don't know what to make of that, but somehow I doubt if Dawkins has made a volte face.
| 603 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:06:24am |
re: #595 MrSilverDragon
Pot should never have been illegal in the first place... but I digress.
As for cigarettes, there's no need to make them illegal because the cost is getting so high, hardly anyone will want to buy them in the first place.
You should see what it's like here in France. Everyone is smoking and they have the same kind of laws that we do (no smoking in public places, restaurants, cafes, etc...)
| 604 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:06:37am |
re: #588 laZardo
See #568, Congressman Tom DeLay said anti-war protesters were "aiding and abetting the enemy" in 2007...
I agree with that I don't don't see anything different this time. The Tea Party movement is full of people hoping that the economy collapses. They are banking on it. They have a vested interest in TARP and the Stumulus failing. Nothing would make them happier than an economic disaster.
I don't see this as any better than the anti-war protesters hoping that we lose Iraq.
| 605 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:06:54am |
re: #595 MrSilverDragon
Pot should never have been illegal in the first place... but I digress.
As for cigarettes, there's no need to make them illegal because the cost is getting so high, hardly anyone will want to buy them in the first place.
Obviously you have never met the turnwife ;.)
| 606 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:07:12am |
re: #594 thedopefishlives
There should be a distinction between international and domestic policies. Of course, these are still policies their respective ruling administrations are trying to convince the people to support.
| 607 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:07:14am |
re: #597 lawhawk
I wasn't aware they were "NYC" !
Thanks!
| 608 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:07:19am |
OT:
A Pakistani security guard thwarted a major terror attack today. He paid for that with his life. A bunch of terrorists dressed up in burkhas attempted to storm a major oil refinery.
Burqa-clad assailants armed with Kalashnikov rifles and hand grenades attempted to attack an oil terminal in southern Pakistan but were thwarted by a security guard who was gunned down as the suspects escaped, officials said Tuesday.The three attackers, dressed in the all-encompassing garment traditionally worn by Muslim women, tried on Monday to enter the terminal in the port city of Karachi where oil supplies arrive for the country's largest refinery, police said.
A security guard on duty intercepted them but was shot dead by the attackers.
A police vehicle patrolling nearby heard the gunshots and responded. The attackers managed to escape, but left behind 10 hand grenades, three Kalashnikov rifles and bullets stuffed in a woman's handbag.
"It was a big attempt at terrorism averted by the police with the help of the brave guard," city police chief Waseem Ahmed said.
| 609 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:07:53am |
re: #602 John Neverbend
There is "fossil" evidence on Youtube (most of the videos seem to have been pulled because of copyright infringements). I found a MP3 of one of the debates, and I'll listen to it. There's an article by Melanie Phillips, claiming that Dawkins has done an "Anthony Flew" and now admits that there is a credible argument for the existence of God. I don't know what to make of that, but somehow I doubt if Dawkins has made a volte face.
I too seriously doubt Dawkins said that.
| 610 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:08:13am |
re: #599 Oh no...Sand People!
Weren't these the same 'protestors' who were trying to stop supplies reaching our troops by blocking the sea ports and dockworkers?
Not sure if I remember that. Only thing that comes to mind is the reverse, IDF ships trying to stop half-sane "humanitarian activists" in rowboats from reaching Gaza.
| 611 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:08:15am |
re: #572 Jimmah
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
‘Apostate’ Hussain Muradi freed from Immigration detention
Your View, September 14th 2009, 4:33 pm
Thanks to everyone who has been taking action on behalf of Hussain Muradi – several 1,000 of you that we know of in the last 48 hours. He has now been released from the Dover Immigration Removal Centre and given temporary admission; we can now help secure his right to asylum. We will let you know how you can help further as the new representations for Hussain are made in the coming weeks and months, but thanks again for everything you have done so far! It has made a world of difference.
Upon his release early afternoon today, Hussain asked Maryam Namazie to pass on the following message:
‘I would like to thank everyone who has been supportive of me in the past few days, sending faxes, emails, making phone calls, on Youtube and elsewhere. I’d especially like to thank the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain, the British Humanist Association, my local MP Robert Marshall-Andrews, my solicitor, Maryam Namazie, Andrew Copson and Nora Mulready. It’s a great day for me but my fight is not yet over. I have only been given temporary admission and will have to sign in at a police station every week until my case is resolved so I will be looking to you for help in the near future.’
He should be granted refugee status if he can establish that he would likely be killed if deported.
Question: If a Muslim renounces Islam, receives refugee status in another country, and then later reaffirms his Islamic faith, would he still be subject to being killed under Sharia? If the death sentence is lifted, should his immigration status be reviewed?
| 612 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:08:34am |
| 614 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:09:38am |
re: #608 lawhawk
That's a truly remarkable story of courage.
| 615 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:10:34am |
re: #612 MrSilverDragon
re: #605 turn
That's why I said "hardly anyone", and not "nobody". :)
Yea but it seems like it's more along the lines of "at least half" in France. I'm actually kind of surprised. I know it's France and they have a history of it, but I figured with them going all "Green" and the like and with laws being so hard on smokers that a lot of people would give it up. But even with the laws in place since a few years, it looks like it's just part of the society and isn't going away anytimme soon.
| 616 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:11:40am |
re: #598 laZardo
Though that was the point me, F74 and Coracle were trying to make though. Government officials supportive of an administration calling opposition "un-American" for dissenting against the administration policy isn't strictly partisan, issue be damned.
I see the point you guys are making but personally I would draw huge a distinction between your code pink momma moonbat type dissenters and the tea party type dissenters. At any rate I need to get some work done, take care ...
| 617 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:12:39am |
re: #602 John Neverbend
claiming that Dawkins has done an "Anthony Flew" and now admits that there is a credible argument for the existence of God. I don't know what to make of that, but somehow I doubt if Dawkins has made a volte face.
I think it was simply more of an agnostic statement than a hard-core atheist statement, which I actually have more respect for.
| 619 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:13:55am |
re: #529 Killgore Trout
Not much love for Bush these days...
Bush, 2008: “There is no conservative movement”; Update: Palin “unprepared”, McCain “a five-spiral crash”
He's one of those pesky "centrists" now, I guess.
I think Ed's assessment is slightly off. The republicans stopped being fiscal conservatives well before Bush took office in 2000. It started as soon as they kicked Newt Gingrich to the curb.
And Bush was exactly right about Sarah.
| 620 |
njdhockeyfan Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:14:28am |
| 621 |
turn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:14:47am |
re: #615 Summer
Yea but it seems like it's more along the lines of "at least half" in France. I'm actually kind of surprised. I know it's France and they have a history of it, but I figured with them going all "Green" and the like and with laws being so hard on smokers that a lot of people would give it up. But even with the laws in place since a few years, it looks like it's just part of the society and isn't going away anytimme soon.
Not to mention you can grow the stuff for free ...
| 622 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:16:06am |
re: #619 Sharmuta
I think he was right about McCain too. I was never a huge Bush fan, he certainly had his faults. It's interesting that I now like him more than the average Republican.
| 624 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:16:35am |
re: #617 Spenser (with an S)
I think it was simply more of an agnostic statement than a hard-core atheist statement, which I actually have more respect for.
Dawkins never dismissed the very remote possibility of the existence of a God. He always compared it to other mythical creatures which "we can never know if they exist or not", but that we simply choose not to believe until we see actual evidence.
He's very clear on this point. When he says "There is no God", he's talking in exactly the same way as anyone else would when they say "There are no Unicorns". Naturally, we all know that there is an incredibly remote chance that, perhaps someday, one will be discovered. But it doesn't mean we have to sit there explaining that in each sentence we say when we just want to get a point across.
| 625 |
avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:16:55am |
re: #613 lawhawk
I agree, it's a start. If you acknowledge the good decisions, it's easier to be credible when attacking the bad ones.
| 626 |
Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:17:07am |
In need your help.
A friend of mine is a huge Pamela Geller fan. Can you all provide some links about Geller so that I may be able to talk some sense into my friend? Thanks.
| 627 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:17:48am |
re: #626 Chekote
In need your help.
A friend of mine is a huge Pamela Geller fan. Can you all provide some links about Geller so that I may be able to talk some sense into my friend? Thanks.
You can start by searching LGF for her name. Charles provides links to some of her nuttiest stuff.
| 628 |
Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:17:53am |
re: #626 Chekote
In need your help.
A friend of mine is a huge Pamela Geller fan. Can you all provide some links about Geller so that I may be able to talk some sense into my friend? Thanks.
Just type her name in the LGF search and you'll get aboutt 50 posts and such.
| 629 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:17:58am |
re: #529 Killgore Trout
Not much love for Bush these days...
Bush, 2008: “There is no conservative movement”; Update: Palin “unprepared”, McCain “a five-spiral crash”
He's one of those pesky "centrists" now, I guess.
Now? I think we've established (even as recently as in some of the tea party posts) that Bush wasn't a fiscal conservative, no? So content-wise it's not a jolt. I'll grant that some of the tone is a little unexpected though.
I am wondering, though, if Bush has had any reaction to the book. Are you aware of any claims he has substantiated or denied? I'd be curious as to his reaction to that if and when it comes.
If I'm surprised about anything, it's an article that I would have expected Allah to push as opposed to Ed.
| 630 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:18:14am |
“He couldn’t get 500 people? I could get that many people to turn out in Crawford.” He shook his head. “This is a five-spiral crash, boys.”
Hell yeah, that's awesome.
| 631 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:19:18am |
re: #575 Big Steve
So I guess it is official since the surrogate White House Press office - The Huffington Post is now reporting it...the President did call Kanye West an asshole. Wouldn't you have loved to have been the political aid who spent the evening running the numbers and then got to rush in this morning and tell his bosses that the polling numbers are good on the "off the record asshole comment." No matter, I am officially giving Obama an upding.
What is going to happen if, on top of this, Obama ends up signing a bill that prohibits federal monies being granted to ACORN?
| 632 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:19:51am |
re: #581 Kosh's Shadow
Pretty soon, apartment dwellers will have to stick towels under their doors to keep the smoke from being detected.
smokeeasy.
Sounds like what we used to do in dorm rooms in college. ;)
| 633 |
Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:20:13am |
re: #611 Spare O'Lake
He should be granted refugee status if he can establish that he would likely be killed if deported.
Question: If a Muslim renounces Islam, receives refugee status in another country, and then later reaffirms his Islamic faith, would he still be subject to being killed under Sharia? If the death sentence is lifted, should his immigration status be reviewed?
Well that's a no brainer. The Afghan government has the death sentence for apostates as part of it's law. As to the second question - no - immigration status should not be reviewed just because he was no longer under threat of death. Once you are a citizen , you're a citizen.
| 634 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:20:22am |
re: #631 Pianobuff
What is going to happen if, on top of this, Obama ends up signing a bill that prohibits federal monies being granted to ACORN?
(1) Federal money will go the state.
(2) State money will go to ACORN.
(3)
(4) Profit!
| 635 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:20:55am |
re: #629 Pianobuff
I am wondering, though, if Bush has had any reaction to the book. Are you aware of any claims he has substantiated or denied? I'd be curious as to his reaction to that if and when it comes.
These books seem common after a president leaves office. There were a lot of them after clinton too. I'm surprised we haven't seen more books about behind the scenes stuff on Bush.
| 636 |
Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:21:14am |
re: #628 Summer
Thank you! I am very challenged when it come to the Internet.
| 637 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:21:53am |
re: #596 Summer
I agree, and Kanye West is an asshole. And I think Beyonce has a lot of grace for how she tried to fix Kanye's major display of stupid at the end.
I never even heard of him until his "George Bush hates black people" (or wahtever it was he said) outburst.
| 638 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:22:06am |
re: #622 Killgore Trout
I think he was right about McCain too. I was never a huge Bush fan, he certainly had his faults. It's interesting that I now like him more than the average Republican.
Like I said before, criticisms of Bush (especially around domestic policy) are nothing new, at least from what I remember. So if you like him more than the average Republican I would suggest that it might be that your affection has grown from what it once was, rather than Rs suddenly changing their opinion.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:23:38am |
re: #635 Killgore Trout
These books seem common after a president leaves office. There were a lot of them after clinton too. I'm surprised we haven't seen more books about behind the scenes stuff on Bush.
Give it time. Give it time.
Did it seem, though, that he had a lot of books written about him while was still in office? Do you recollect whether that was an above-average number?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:24:09am |
re: #637 Mad Al-Jaffee
I never even heard of him until his "George Bush hates black people" (or wahtever it was he said) outburst.
He gets some serious abuse in one episode of South Park, "Fishsticks".
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:24:54am |
re: #637 Mad Al-Jaffee
I never even heard of him until his "George Bush hates black people" (or wahtever it was he said) outburst.
The more I see Kanye West, the more of a whiny bitch he seems to be. Personally, I think he should not be allowed to any more awards ceremonies, even if he wins something. And, a real apology to Taylor Swift for his assholish behavior.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:25:09am |
re: #639 Pianobuff
Did it seem, though, that [Bush] had a lot of books written about him while was still in office...
So the paucity now might be due to them having run out of things to make up.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:26:23am |
re: #638 Pianobuff
So if you like him more than the average Republican I would suggest that it might be that your affection has grown from what it once was, rather than Rs suddenly changing their opinion.
No, I haven't changed my opinion. It seems to me that Repuclinas have soured on him significantly over the past few months. There were always complaints about things like the Medicare Drug plan for seniors, etc but it seems like conservatives are ratcheting up their requirements for purity. Bush left office as a very unpopular president but I don't regard him as a failure.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:26:29am |
re: #640 JamesTKirk
He gets some serious abuse in one episode of South Park, "Fishsticks".
I know. That's one of my favorite recent episodes.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:27:17am |
re: #628 Summer
Just type her name in the LGF search and you'll get aboutt 50 posts and such.
The Tag Viewer is also quite handy.
Chekote- one of my favorite threads on geller:
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:27:35am |
re: #641 MrSilverDragon
The more I see Kanye West, the more of a whiny bitch he seems to be. Personally, I think he should not be allowed to any more awards ceremonies, even if he wins something. And, a real apology to Taylor Swift for his assholish behavior.
I'm surprised that anyone over 15 watches MTV. There has been nothing worth watching on that channel since Beavis & Butthead.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:27:59am |
Bernake: Recession quite likely over by now.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday that the worst recession since the 1930s is probably over.Bernanke said the economy likely is growing now, but it won't be sufficient to prevent the unemployment rate, now at a 26-year high of 9.7 percent, from rising.
"The recession is very likely over at this point," Bernanke said in responding to questions at the Brookings Institution.
Story continues below ↓advertisement %P% your ad hereThe Fed boss also said he is confident that Congress will enact a revamp of the nation's financial rule book to prevent a future crisis from happening.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:28:36am |
re: #647 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm surprised that anyone over 15 watches MTV. There has been nothing worth watching on that channel since
Beavis & Buttheadthe original 1998-2002 Celebrity Deathmatch.
Fix'd.
/uh-huh-huh-huh. 30 minutes to Hump day here.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:29:21am |
re: #636 Chekote
Thank you! I am very challenged when it come to the Internet.
Stick around here and in the tech threads and you won't be for much longer. At least not with the basics. =)
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Aye Pod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:29:22am |
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Between the Wall coming down and the Towers coming down
Brett, September 15th 2009, 10:28 am
In the 20th century, perhaps only one decade can be said to have been lived not only in a state of optimism (like the 60s) but without dread. The nineties was the decade that followed the fall of the Berlin Wall (signaling the defeat of Communism and the end of the Cold War) and for a while there was no looming threat that took centre-place in our social narrative. But for children born the year the Wall fell, on the dawn of their teens, their ‘innocent’ childhood ended with the destruction of the World Trade Centre. And with the fall of the Towers, the world entered a new era of dread - of global terrorism.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:29:52am |
re: #641 MrSilverDragon
The more I see Kanye West, the more of a whiny bitch he seems to be. Personally, I think he should not be allowed to any more awards ceremonies, even if he wins something. And, a real apology to Taylor Swift for his assholish behavior.
He said he wanted to apologize to her in person, his mother would not be proud of him, and that he was going to take a break to reflect. He said this on Leno's new show. I agree he's an ass, but he seems to realize he's really f'ed up this time. A real apology and a break would be good.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:30:34am |
Ok, now I have to get ready for a beautiful classical concert tonight in a very expensive place in Paris, and then dinner at an even more expensive restaurant. Hehe...
I do love Paris sometimes.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:30:39am |
re: #644 Killgore Trout
No, I haven't changed my opinion. It seems to me that Repuclinas have soured on him significantly over the past few months. There were always complaints about things like the Medicare Drug plan for seniors, etc but it seems like conservatives are ratcheting up their requirements for purity. Bush left office as a very unpopular president but I don't regard him as a failure.
I guess when you brought up the topic I was thinking about my own views and the views of those I'm familiar with in the real world. I don't regard Bush as a failure and hopefully time will bear that out, but I have to acknowledge that he was not a fiscal conservative. 9/11, two wars, etc. was very much a rallying point.
You do raise an interesting point though. Maybe one of the pollster will be retrospectively checking Bush's approval rating. That would tell us something with more certainty.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:30:47am |
re: #632 Mad Al-Jaffee
Sounds like what we used to do in dorm rooms in college. ;)
You went to college in the 70's, too?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:30:58am |
re: #610 laZardo
Not sure if I remember that. Only thing that comes to mind is the reverse, IDF ships trying to stop half-sane "humanitarian activists" in rowboats from reaching Gaza.
re: #648 lawhawk
Bernake: Recession quite likely over by now.
hmmm... "The cancer is prevented...but it will not likely keep the patient from dying..."
Am I reading that correctly? Quite the vocabularical judo this man is displaying...
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J.D. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:31:01am |
re: #648 lawhawk
Bernake: Recession quite likely over by now.
So we can stop spending like there's no tomorrow?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:31:24am |
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:31:48am |
re: #660 J.D.
So we can stop spending like there's no tomorrow?
Yes. Cancel the rest of the stimulus...Please!!!
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:32:03am |
re: #659 Oh no...Sand People!
re: #610 laZardo
Not sure if I remember that. Only thing that comes to mind is the reverse, IDF ships trying to stop half-sane "humanitarian activists" in rowboats from reaching Gaza.
Whoops still looking for the links to those protests... forgot to delete before my post sidetrack..
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:33:07am |
re: #660 J.D.
So we can stop spending like there's no tomorrow?
No, the best way to fight a recession is spend like there's no tomorrow. The best way to improve the economy once it's out of recession is to spend like there's no tomorrow. And, of course, once the the economy starts roaring again, the best way to keep it going is to spend like there's no tomorrow.
I see a pattern developing.
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J.D. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:33:42am |
re: #664 Desert Dog
No, the best way to fight a recession is spend like there's no tomorrow. The best way to improve the economy once it's out of recession is to spend like there's no tomorrow. And, of course, once the the economy starts roaring again, the best way to keep it going is to spend like there's no tomorrow.
I see a pattern developing.
Tax and spend!
What a concept!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:34:28am |
re: #648 lawhawk
That's good news. We still have a long way to go.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:34:43am |
re: #617 Spenser (with an S)
I think it was simply more of an agnostic statement than a hard-core atheist statement, which I actually have more respect for.
Yes, I agree. Part of me wishes that Dawkins would limit himself to debating neo-Darwinism, an arena in which I think he's unassailable, not only because of his own skills in explaining science but also because of the underlying solidity of the theory. Debating the existence or non-existence of God seems to me to be better done by theologians and philosophers. The Master of my old college wrote a short but dense philosophical work in which he considers the question of whether or not belief in God is rational. In the best of philosophical traditions, he doesn't come to any firm conclusion, but he does illuminate the problem in a way that's difficult to fault. Also, deliberately or otherwise, if you agree with his argument, you're led towards an agnostic viewpoint. I remember that the Master was lamenting to me the fact that Richard Dawkins was reluctant to debate with Alvin Plantinga, a Christian philsopher and IDer who is one of the few people still pushing the ontological argument. Dawkins wittily but erroneously attacks the ontological argument in The God Delusion. I'm still not sure what he would have been asked to debate with Plantinga. This was several years ago, and at that time, Dawkins made a point of not debating neo-Darwinism in public, if he could avoid it (he alludes to this reluctance even in The Blind Watchmaker).
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Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:35:03am |
re: #585 turn
Well then that's different than the argument OR was making, it's people like Pelosi and Axlerod who are dissing disent ...
If you include Pelosi then I would change my statement.
Don Young Re: erroneous quotation of Lincoln advocating hanging of protesters during war time.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) Daschle's "divisive comments have the effect of giving aid and comfort to our enemies by allowing them to exploit divisions in our country."
[Link: dir.salon.com...]
Sen. Trent Lott: “How dare Senator Daschle criticize President Bush while we are fighting our war on terrorism, especially when we have troops in the field. He should not be trying to divide our country while we are united.”
[Link: www.historycommons.org...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:35:09am |
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:35:11am |
re: #665 J.D.
Tax and spend!
What a concept!
I hear they teach this theory of economics at the Kolleges throughout the land too.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:36:44am |
re: #624 Summer
Naturally, we all know that there is an incredibly remote chance that, perhaps someday, one will be discovered.
Isn't this what he calls "tooth-fairy agnosticism"?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:37:13am |
re: #660 J.D.
So we can stop spending like there's no tomorrow?
Probably not. I've come to the conclusion that economic stimulus is a necessity. Sad but true.
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J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:37:19am |
Anderson Cooper last night featured a panel with David Gergen, James Carville, and a representative of the Tea Parties...I found the comment by Cooper quite funny -- Cooper said (not quoting here) that just listening to the Tea Party fellow, the Tea Party representative sounded sane, middle-of-the-road, even moderate -- until one went to the Tea Party fellow's website -- then Anderson Cooper started quoting...omg...it was just ridiculous -- the Tea Party fellow was calling Barack an Indonesian muslim thug, etc. Anyway, in part, I believe this segment demonstrated the sort of duplicity of the Ron Paul people...
OT -- The Canadian Google search engine is featuring in their logo a crop circle design...o brother...
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:37:43am |
re: #671 John Neverbend
And isn't that a splinter branch of the "Easter Bunny agnosticism" sect?
/ q:
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:38:34am |
Norah O’Donnell of NBC News was talking about ACORN's troubles this morning and wondered if the ACORN videos “might be viewed as entrapment.”.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:40:08am |
re: #619 Sharmuta
I think Ed's assessment is slightly off. The republicans stopped being fiscal conservatives well before Bush took office in 2000. It started as soon as they kicked Newt Gingrich to the curb.
And Bush was exactly right about Sarah.
Fiscal conservatism seems to be a very relative term, devoid of much absolute meaning.
When was the last time the US ran a real (i.e. taking into account social security and medicare deficits) budgetary surplus? I am having difficulty finding this info, which tells me that either I'm having a bad Google day or the real figures have been fudged for an awfully long time by both parties.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:41:15am |
re: #667 John Neverbend
Interesting. Alvin Plantinga is an alum and former prof. at my alma mater, Calvin College. Calvin is a somewhat conservative, Christian liberal-arts college and has taken a lot of heat from the IDers since most of its science profs are old-earth creationists (which is what I am).
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:41:26am |
re: #677 Spare O'Lake
Bill Clinton's days?
/already have the incoming retaliatory lectures greenheart'd in my favorites section. >_>
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:42:10am |
Put on your seething pants...
Chinese jeans bearing name of God anger Iranians
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:43:26am |
re: #680 Killgore Trout
Put on your seething pants...
Chinese jeans bearing name of God anger Iranians
I need to get me some of those. Anything that gets the Islamotards' panties in a bunch.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:43:44am |
re: #677 Spare O'Lake
I'm not sure either. I think we had a balanced budget briefly during the Clinton years. Other than that I think we've been running a deficit as long as I can remember.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:43:46am |
re: #665 J.D.
Tax and spend!
What a concept!
Tax the rich
Feed the poor
'til there are no rich no more
--Ten Years After, I'd Love to Change the World
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Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:45:14am |
re: #680 Killgore Trout
Put on your seething pants...
Chinese jeans bearing name of God anger Iranians
Is there anything they can't seethe over?
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laZardo Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:45:19am |
re: #680 Killgore Trout
It's not the first time. Remember the Zionist oranges?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:25am |
re: #681 thedopefishlives
I need to get me some of those. Anything that gets the Islamotards' panties in a bunch.
I already have a t-shirt with one of the Danish cartoons on it.
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KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:29am |
re: #677 Spare O'Lake
Fiscal conservatism seems to be a very relative term, devoid of much absolute meaning.
When was the last time the US ran a real (i.e. taking into account social security and medicare deficits) budgetary surplus? I am having difficulty finding this info, which tells me that either I'm having a bad Google day or the real figures have been fudged for an awfully long time by both parties.
Clinton ran a surplus in his final years, and I think Bush was on pace to run a surplus until 9/11.
Image: budget_deficit_or_surplus.gif
The plummet in Bush's final year and Obama's first is not shown.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:50am |
Apology over 'terror list' con
A PHONEY terrorism "expert" has confessed to duping newspapers and a senior politician.
Glen Jenvey has admitted making up stories about Islamic fundamentalism, including a faked list of prominent Jewish "targets", which included Lord Alan Sugar.
He revealed his scheming in an interview with BBC reporter Tom Mangold, aired on Sunday's edition of Donal MacIntyre's Radio Five Live show.
Jenvey told how he fabricated the list of Jewish targets by posing as a fundamentalist on an extremist website where he urged others to suggest names.
He then leaked the made-up list to a trusted news agency, used by The Sun, and online forum Ummah.com was wrongly accused of being used to prepare a backlash against UK Jews.
More background here.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:52am |
re: #648 lawhawk
Bernake: Recession quite likely over by now.
The recession is over but unemployment is rising. I'm sure all those people who have lost their jobs will be so happy to hear the recession is over.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #684 Dianna
Is there anything they can't seethe over?
A burkha, pretty much.
/I'm not exactly joking, either
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avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:46:57am |
538.com does a long piece on the Ron Paul influence at the tea parties. They should be told about Charles's work in that area though, but it least the word is getting out.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:47:09am |
re: #679 laZardo
Bill Clinton's days?
/already have the incoming retaliatory lectures greenheart'd in my favorites section. >_>
I don't think so. Clinton's "surpluses" were apparently deficits once the social security and medicare deficits were taken into account.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:48:10am |
re: #687 KingKenrod
Big deficits under conservative hero Reagan.
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KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:48:24am |
re: #687 KingKenrod
Clinton ran a surplus in his final years, and I think Bush was on pace to run a surplus until 9/11.
[Link: www.headybrew.net...]
The plummet in Bush's final year and Obama's first is not shown.
I see you were looking for Medicare and Social Security. Social Security always ran a surplus, it has only recently turned negative. Medicare I don't know about.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:48:51am |
re: #678 Spenser (with an S)
Interesting. Alvin Plantinga is an alum and former prof. at my alma mater, Calvin College. Calvin is a somewhat conservative, Christian liberal-arts college and has taken a lot of heat from the IDers since most of its science profs are old-earth creationists (which is what I am).
Plantinga's father taught at Calvin, and both of his sons are professors there. While I believe that the ontological argument doesn't work, it's a clever enough construction that it's worth thinking about it. I'm a thoroughgoing neo-Darwinist, but I do think that the debate about God's existence needs to continue, albeit with suitably qualified speakers.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:48:52am |
re: #689 Alouette
The recession is over but unemployment is rising. I'm sure all those people who have lost their jobs will be so happy to hear the recession is over.
Our financial adviser said he suspected - after a lunch he attended - that the recovery might be "bathtub shaped."
Which means we're all in hot water, if that's right.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:49:54am |
re: #693 Killgore Trout
Big deficits under conservative hero Reagan.
Yep.
Which is one more reason I am not a huge fan of St. Ronnie.
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Chekote Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:50:37am |
re: #646 Sharmuta
Thanks for the link. My friends have their hearts in the right place but got really caught up in the nirther stuff. I think it is because it is the easy way out. Obama not a citizen=no Obama presidency. There are very worreid about Israel and don't trust Obama because of his association with known anti-semites.
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KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:50:44am |
re: #693 Killgore Trout
Big deficits under conservative hero Reagan.
True, the initial deficits to fight the '81 recession continued. Let's not forget the Democrat Congress had a hand in it as well, there's a rumor going around that they have something to do with spending. :)
Note that Clinton's surpluses came with a GOP Congress...and the tech boom.
| 701 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:52:25am |
Friend of Robert Stacy McCain:
Judge to decide whether to release neo-Nazi leader
A federal judge will consider an appeal of an order allowing an avowed white supremacist to be released on bond.
U.S. District Judge James Turk was to hear arguments Tuesday in the prosecution's appeal of a magistrate judge's order last week allowing William A. White to be released on $25,000 bond.
| 702 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:52:52am |
re: #699 Chekote
Thanks for the link. My friends have their hearts in the right place but got really caught up in the nirther stuff. I think it is because it is the easy way out. Obama not a citizen=no Obama presidency. There are very worreid about Israel and don't trust Obama because of his association with known anti-semites.
I didn't even get asked about the Nirth Cerifikat until a couple months ago, and this by politically active people who don't spend a lot of time on the internet.
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CommonCents Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:53:03am |
re: #693 Killgore Trout
Big deficits under conservative hero Reagan.
IIRC, Reagan had a plan to out spend the USSR into oblivion. It worked. I don't believe his increased spending was to pay off unions and to make the poor rich and the rich poor.
| 704 |
KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:53:22am |
Electron cloud around a single carbon atom photographed:
[Link: insidescience.org...]
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:53:54am |
re: #700 KingKenrod
True, the initial deficits to fight the '81 recession continued. Let's not forget the Democrat Congress had a hand in it as well, there's a rumor going around that they have something to do with spending. :)
For every additional dollar that Reagan's tax cuts brought in, the Congress spent an addition $1.50 -- there was supposed to be a deal between Reagan and Tip O'Neill about not raising spending that high, but of course it was broken.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54:19am |
re: #704 KingKenrod
Electron cloud around a single carbon atom photographed:
[Link: insidescience.org...]
The second one looks like a smurf mooning me.
| 707 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:55:03am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:57:49am |
re: #687 KingKenrod
Clinton ran a surplus in his final years, and I think Bush was on pace to run a surplus until 9/11.
[Link: www.headybrew.net...]
The plummet in Bush's final year and Obama's first is not shown.
Correct if I'm wrong, but the Clinto "surplus" did not take into account the health care deficits, and Bush also resisted counting in those huge health program deficits. In other words, and please correct me if I am wrong, both parties have been running large deficits for God knows how long.
| 710 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:58:14am |
re: #695 John Neverbend
Plantinga's father taught at Calvin, and both of his sons are professors there. While I believe that the ontological argument doesn't work, it's a clever enough construction that it's worth thinking about it. I'm a thoroughgoing neo-Darwinist, but I do think that the debate about God's existence needs to continue, albeit with suitably qualified speakers.
I agree. Much of my current thinking was influenced by a married couple who are both professors at Calvin and wrote a book on this thorny topic called Origins- a Reformed Look. One of them is a Harvard-trained Phd in Biology and the other is an MIT-trained Phd in Astronomy so they know that the earth is not 8,000 years old, but they are both strong Christians. Interesting stuff.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:58:34am |
re: #688 Killgore Trout
glen-jenvey-apologises-for-fabricating-anti-muslim-story
According to one site, Jenvey recently converted to Islam.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:59:41am |
re: #706 Mad Al-Jaffee
The second one looks like a smurf mooning me.
re: #704 KingKenrod
Electron cloud around a single carbon atom photographed:
[Link: insidescience.org...]
Wow wow wow... S and p orbitals are really real... Not that I doubted, but very very cool to see.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:00:38am |
re: #689 Alouette
The recession is over but unemployment is rising. I'm sure all those people who have lost their jobs will be so happy to hear the recession is over.
Employment is always the last "indicator" to recover from a recession. Look for the "newly" unemployed numbers to be lower each month through December or January, then plateau, then companies will start to re-hire
I know it's hard when you or a loved one is one of those people and thats no solice for them but it should (will) improve within that time frame
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:00:43am |
re: #689 Alouette
The recession is over but unemployment is rising. I'm sure all those people who have lost their jobs will be so happy to hear the recession is over.
This is somewhat unfair. Unemployment always lags a quarter or two. People don't just instantly get rehired.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:01:15am |
re: #703 CommonCents
IIRC, Reagan had a plan to out spend the USSR into oblivion. It worked. I don't believe his increased spending was to pay off unions and to make the poor rich and the rich poor.
Obama's spending so far has been to save us from economic oblivion. I'm not a fan of everything he has planned but you should be grateful he has the common sense to save the country. This instinct for self preservation is sadly absent from the Tea Party crowd.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:02:10am |
re: #712 John Neverbend
According to one site, Jenvey recently converted to Islam.
So now when there is a real threat it will be called a hoax... Bloody brilliant.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:03:17am |
re: #715 ludwigvanquixote
This is somewhat unfair
Unfair to whom or what? I didn't hear her bitching about the O's policies, she was just venting here to friends about how many of us are feeling.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:05:08am |
re: #710 Spenser (with an S)
...so they know that the earth is not 8,000 years old, but they are both strong Christians.
Ken Miller has written about science and God, I think from a Catholic viewpoint, and he is a fine exponent of neo-Darwinism.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:06:31am |
re: #710 Spenser (with an S)
so they know that the earth is not 8,000 years old
Of course it's not. But Gaia, being an old-school woman, is not above lying about her age.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:06:55am |
Has anyone been following the "tires" story?
A Protectionist President - Like Hoover, Obama is abdicating U.S. trade leadership.
President Obama traveled to Wall Street yesterday to press his case for more financial regulation, but the bigger economic issue of the day concerned other White House policies. To wit, what does it mean for the world economy if America now has its first protectionist President since Herbert Hoover?...The smell of trade war is suddenly in the air. Mr. Obama slapped a 35% tariff on Chinese tires Friday night, and China responded on the weekend by threatening to retaliate against U.S. chickens and auto parts. That followed French President Nicolas Sarkozy's demand on Thursday that Europe impose a carbon tariff on imports from countries that don't follow its cap-and-trade diktats. "We need to impose a carbon tax at [Europe's] border. I will lead that battle," he said.
Mr. Sarkozy was following U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu, who has endorsed a carbon tax on imports, and the U.S. House of Representatives, which passed a carbon tariff as part of its cap-and-tax bill. This in turn followed the "Buy American" provisions of the stimulus, which has incensed much of Canada; Congress's bill to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roads in direct violation of Nafta, prompting Mexico to retaliate against U.S. farm and kitchen goods; and the must-make-cars-in-America provisions of the auto bailouts. Meanwhile, U.S. trade pacts with Colombia, Panama and South Korea languish in Congress.
Through all of this Mr. Obama has either said nothing or objected so feebly that Congress has assumed he doesn't mean it. Despite his pro-forma demurrals, Mr. Obama's actions and nonactions are telling the world that the U.S. is abandoning the global leadership on trade that Presidents of both parties have worked to maintain since the 1930s. His advisers whisper that their man is merely playing a little tactical domestic politics, but he is playing with fire, as the last 80 years of trade history should tell him...
More at the link
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:07:27am |
re: #719 Spenser (with an S)
Unfair to whom or what? I didn't hear her bitching about the O's policies, she was just venting here to friends about how many of us are feeling.
Whoa, where was any mention of Obama in what I wrote?
I was saying that it is unfair to expect that unemployment will be one of the first things to turn around when getting out of a recession. This is just economics. It's true for both parties. It does not make things easier for someone in a tight spot, and it is not to be callous at all. However, it takes time for the companies to start hiring again.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:07:53am |
re: #722 Pianobuff
I've been following it, but I am not certain what to make of it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:08:57am |
re: #720 John Neverbend
Ken Miller has written about science and God, I think from a Catholic viewpoint, and he is a fine exponent of neo-Darwinism.
He did- here's the book:
Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:09:16am |
If you're going to slap a tariff on China, how about imposing it on food and toys containing lead?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:09:34am |
re: #715 ludwigvanquixote
This is somewhat unfair. Unemployment always lags a quarter or two. People don't just instantly get rehired.
So I will unleash the snark in 2 quarters...
I hope I am wrong and don't have to.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:09:51am |
re: #723 ludwigvanquixote
Whoa, where was any mention of Obama in what I wrote?
Sorry if that wasn't your thought. I didn't understand who or what you thought she was being unfair to. I'm in the same boat and I understood she was just venting. I might be defensive.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:10:26am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:10:44am |
All of this talk about Dawkins and religion/science reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman freezes himself and ends up in the future. Hilarious episode. Actually, two episodes, I think.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:10:48am |
re: #721 JamesTKirk
Of course it's not. But Gaia, being an old-school woman, is not above lying about her age.
"Fossils? What fossils? Oh, THOSE. I just planted those last week; Venus says that they make the azaleas come in better."
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KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:11:01am |
re: #717 Killgore Trout
Obama's spending so far has been to save us from economic oblivion. I'm not a fan of everything he has planned but you should be grateful he has the common sense to save the country. This instinct for self preservation is sadly absent from the Tea Party crowd.
Obama took the slowest possible stimulus route - government capital spending. Even with the "shovel ready" requirement, it's 6 months later and exactly how much has been spent? And the jobs created are either govt jobs or temporary jobs which can only become permanent with more govt spending. I'm not saying the stimulus was a bad thing, because it needed to happen, it just could have been better. Obama took the route that benefited govt most.
A change in tax withholding would have been immediate. This is what Bush and Congress did after 9/11, followed by real rate cuts.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:11:05am |
re: #723 ludwigvanquixote
Whoa, where was any mention of Obama in what I wrote?
I was saying that it is unfair to expect that unemployment will be one of the first things to turn around when getting out of a recession. This is just economics. It's true for both parties. It does not make things easier for someone in a tight spot, and it is not to be callous at all. However, it takes time for the companies to start hiring again.
If interest rates rise substantially as a result of the obscene increases in the national debt, the recovery might be over before unemployment has a chance to fall.
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:11:10am |
Obama bounce gone...
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
I guess Rasumussen is back to being a conservative hack again...//
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:12:39am |
re: #724 ludwigvanquixote
I've been following it, but I am not certain what to make of it.
Well, I don't think we want a trade war, particularly with China. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware, but at face value it doesn't seem like a smart move. Maybe there is more to unfold.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:13:16am |
re: #735 Pianobuff
Well, I don't think we want a trade war, particularly with China. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware, but at face value it doesn't seem like a smart move. Maybe there is more to unfold.
I have to agree it doesn't seem a good idea.
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:14:09am |
re: #735 Pianobuff
Well, I don't think we want a trade war, particularly with China. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware, but at face value it doesn't seem like a smart move. Maybe there is more to unfold.
broadly speaking...isn't this a nod from Obama to the unions?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:14:31am |
re: #732 KingKenrod
Bullshit...
Economic Stimulus Package – Tax Cuts
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:15:11am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
This is brutal!
Anderson Cooper DESTROYS "Tea Party" Leader Mark Williams
Ouch!
Williams not only got caught lying, but he then brazenly confirmed his open characterization of President Obama as a lying, foreign, Muslim commie.
What a crazed bigot.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:15:40am |
Classic. Even more right wing blogs are now coming out to defend Robert Stacy McCain. A blatantly hateful racist bigot.
And then we have Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit (whose comments section is an appalling sewer of hatred) actually denying that he posts Obama-Hitler pictures - when so far this month he's posted a picture of the Hitler Youth with Obama logos photoshopped over them no less than three times.
The idiocy. It burns.
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:16:30am |
re: #738 Killgore Trout
Bullshit...
Economic Stimulus Package – Tax Cuts
For 2009, the tax credit will amount to about an extra $13 per week and about $7.70 a week in 2010.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:16:53am |
re: #737 Charpete67
broadly speaking...isn't this a nod from Obama to the unions?
Perhaps, and if so, while it may be good political timing I believe it would be poor economic timing.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:17:01am |
re: #737 Charpete67
broadly speaking...isn't this a nod from Obama to the unions?
Obama pandering to his base as the expense of national interest? That's unpossible!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:17:01am |
re: #734 Charpete67
I guess Rasumussen is back to being a conservative hack again...//
Did they stop at some point?
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fizzlogic Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:17:21am |
Here's another video from the rally:
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:18:16am |
re: #744 Charles
Did they stop at some point?
I was referring to people here yesterday that were touting the bounce the Rasmussen showed...he was a good pollster yesterday...I'm doubting they like him today.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:18:47am |
re: #735 Pianobuff
Well, I don't think we want a trade war, particularly with China. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware, but at face value it doesn't seem like a smart move. Maybe there is more to unfold.
Why pick on tires...
Possibly they are bad tires.
Possibly there is some serious deal going on about something else.
Possibly Obama is reminding China that there are limits to their influence here
Possibly all manner of things.
I honestly don't know enough why he is doing it to say.
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funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:19:55am |
re: #735 Pianobuff
Well, I don't think we want a trade war, particularly with China. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware, but at face value it doesn't seem like a smart move. Maybe there is more to unfold.
China's been dumping crappy, dangerous products on our markets for way too long. They rape the environment and abuse employees. Yeah, the stuff in Wal-Mart may be cheaper...but how many Americans have lost jobs because all those factories moved overseas to get away from environmental and worker protections?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:19:58am |
Gotta go aggravate some golf balls and nearby dirt.
Have a good day.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:20:29am |
re: #725 Sharmuta
He did- here's the book:
Yes, that's it. I haven't read the book, but I have seen some of Miller's lectures on Youtube, and I've read the testimony he gave during the Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District case. His attack against the creationists/IDers was every bit as devastating as anything that Dawkins could have dished up.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:21:35am |
re: #738 Killgore Trout
Bullshit...
Economic Stimulus Package – Tax Cuts
Individuals will get a tax credit of $400, while couples will get $800. The tax credit payments, expected to start around June, will be spread out through the rest of 2009 in the form of reduced federal tax withholdings taken from workers’ paychecks.
So, they're withholding less money from our paychecks.
Does that change how much we owe them next April 15th? Will the "about an extra $13 per week" that we get now all have to be paid back next year?
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:21:39am |
re: #749 funky chicken
China's been dumping crappy, dangerous products on our markets for way too long. They rape the environment and abuse employees. Yeah, the stuff in Wal-Mart may be cheaper...but how many Americans have lost jobs because all those factories moved overseas to get away from environmental and worker protections?
So you are in the "yes - I want a trade war" column?
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:22:20am |
re: #751 John Neverbend
Yes, that's it. I haven't read the book, but I have seen some of Miller's lectures on Youtube, and I've read the testimony he gave during the Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District case. His attack against the creationists/IDers was every bit as devastating as anything that Dawkins could have dished up.
He also discusses why ID is bad theology in Only A Theory, but it's not the focus of the book. He's a brilliant man doing good work by defending both science and faith from these hacks at the DI.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:22:23am |
re: #730 Mad Al-Jaffee
All of this talk about Dawkins and religion/science reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman freezes himself and ends up in the future. Hilarious episode. Actually, two episodes, I think.
Could you provide a precis of those episodes?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:23:05am |
re: #747 LudwigVanQuixote
Why pick on tires...
Possibly they are bad tires.
Possibly there is some serious deal going on about something else.
Possibly Obama is reminding China that there are limits to their influence here
Possibly all manner of things.
I honestly don't know enough why he is doing it to say.
Howso? They'll be empty "reminders" at best considering the amount of debt China holds over us!
What if they were to call some if not all of it in? AND,,, with the deficit growing it gets WORSE, not better
stop the spending ,,,
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:23:12am |
re: #755 John Neverbend
Could you provide a precis of those episodes?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:23:29am |
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debutaunt Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:23:36am |
re: #724 ludwigvanquixote
I've been following it, but I am not certain what to make of it.
The unintended consequences will be just peachy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:23:41am |
re: #749 funky chicken
China's been dumping crappy, dangerous products on our markets for way too long. They rape the environment and abuse employees. Yeah, the stuff in Wal-Mart may be cheaper...but how many Americans have lost jobs because all those factories moved overseas to get away from environmental and worker protections?
Now on that point I am all for, and have been for some time all for, we won't buy your crap until you get more green as a stick... and technological aid to get more green as a carrot.
Bring the trade war honestly. We might tighten our belts - and G-d forbid, buy less crap that will disintegrate in a few months, but we would win and it would be the only thing to make the Chinese notice the environment.
You know they are doing badly when they had to shut down Beijing for a few months for the Olympics.
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J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:24:06am |
re: #747 LudwigVanQuixote
According to an article in the Financial Post today ("Obama Sparks Trade Spat" by Jane Whitman), the article states: "The tariffs -- imposed after a complaint from a major U..S. union that said a jump in Chinese tire imports was leading to a surge in job losses at U.S. factories -- were simply an enforcement of an existing trade agreement, the President said...Industry observers didn't see the decision to adopt the tariffs as a sign that Mr. Obama might be taking a broad protectionist stance toward free trade. But they said the surprise move could lead to bigger tensions with China, the United States' second-largest trading partner, after Canada."
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:24:29am |
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Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:24:29am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:24:36am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
I can't believe how bad this is getting.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:24:40am |
re: #756 sattv4u2
Howso? They'll be empty "reminders" at best considering the amount of debt China holds over us!
What if they were to call some if not all of it in? AND,,, with the deficit growing it gets WORSE, not better
stop the spending ,,,
I said possibly. I don't know enough about this move to argue about it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:25:38am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
Carvill and Gurgen couldn't even keep from laughing. Just pathetic.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:25:43am |
re: #730 Mad Al-Jaffee
All of this talk about Dawkins and religion/science reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman freezes himself and ends up in the future. Hilarious episode. Actually, two episodes, I think.
Actually, I found it. The response attributed to Dawkins is hilariously funny.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:09am |
re: #752 JamesTKirk
About 35%-40% of the stimulus spending is on tax cuts.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:12am |
re: #757 JamesTKirk
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
You're a few minutes ahead of me. I have to watch the episodes.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:23am |
re: #766 Sharmuta
Carvill and Gurgen couldn't even keep from laughing. Just pathetic.
Alright, when the liberals are having fun decimating a nutjob, you KNOW it's gotta be bad.
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J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:32am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
Yes, that was the interview I saw last night...and mentioned earlier...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:39am |
re: #761 J.S.
According to an article in the Financial Post today ("Obama Sparks Trade Spat" by Jane Whitman), the article states: "The tariffs -- imposed after a complaint from a major U..S. union that said a jump in Chinese tire imports was leading to a surge in job losses at U.S. factories -- were simply an enforcement of an existing trade agreement, the President said...Industry observers didn't see the decision to adopt the tariffs as a sign that Mr. Obama might be taking a broad protectionist stance toward free trade. But they said the surprise move could lead to bigger tensions with China, the United States' second-largest trading partner, after Canada."
Thanks for the info. I know that there are all manner of trade agreements and trade laws. I know that all of the nations read those laws to game the system when they can. I do not know enough about them to really comment though.
However, I do like the idea of protecting American jobs.
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:26:59am |
re: #762 JamesTKirk
When they started saying things (Obama's number's briefly improving) that the liberals liked.
nobody likes a pollster that doesn't back up their belief. Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in the last presidential election.
[Link: www.fordham.edu...]
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:27:26am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
This is brutal!
Anderson Cooper DESTROYS "Tea Party" Leader Mark Williams
Ouch!
This is exactly the proof of what happens when we, conservatives, shoot ourselves in the foot.
Carville was laughing us out of the room and rightly so. Just that simple laughter destroyed the entire 'tea party' movement.
How about in the future...we don't allow ourselves to be laughed at by actually focusing on REAL ISSUES with a real clear goal...
I didn't want to win anymore elections anyway...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:27:34am |
re: #764 Charles
They really nailed him by quoting his own writings. The MSM is not going to give these guys a pass, they should know better.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:27:41am |
re: #770 thedopefishlives
Alright, when the liberals are having fun decimating a nutjob, you KNOW it's gotta be bad.
Gergen's not a liberal, though.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:28:05am |
re: #771 J.S.
Yes, that was the interview I saw last night...and mentioned earlier...
You weren't kidding. It was a pretty devastating takedown.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:28:57am |
re: #773 Charpete67
nobody likes a pollster that doesn't back up their belief. Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in the last presidential election.
[Link: www.fordham.edu...]
You may hear it stated that on election day Rasmussen was the most accurate, but leading up until then, they were up to monkey business and shilling for R's.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:29:15am |
re: #774 Oh no...Sand People!
How about in the future...we don't allow ourselves to be laughed at by actually focusing on REAL ISSUES with a real clear goal...
That's not likely to happen any time soon. The idiot wind is blowing strong.
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:29:29am |
re: #778 Pianobuff
You may hear it stated that on election day Rasmussen was the most accurate, but leading up until then, they were up to monkey business and shilling for R's.
link?...never heard that.
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J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:29:29am |
re: #772 LudwigVanQuixote
Canada is (as you're probably aware) extremely sensitive to "trade issues" (the U.S. sneezes and Canada catches a cold...as the saying goes)...and there's always an on-going angst that Obama (as has been true for Democratic Party policy in the past) might/could begin to become protectionist...(huge concern here.)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:29:40am |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Gergen's not a liberal, though.
Carville and Cooper both are. Either way, this is just getting to be stupid.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:30:04am |
re: #768 Killgore Trout
About 35%-40% of the stimulus spending is on tax cuts.
Not till FY 2011,,
And how does that relate to "recovery" now?
As I've stated before, TARP was 100% the right thing to do
Car company bailouts, questionable at best
Stimulus, not so much
("never let a crises go to waste,,, ")
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:30:29am |
re: #782 thedopefishlives
Carville and Cooper both are. Either way, this is just getting to be stupid.
I agree. I was embarrassed to be laughing with Carvill. Gergen is an independent, BTW.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:30:35am |
re: #780 Charpete67
link?...never heard that.
It's not my position so I've never researched it (don't have a link). I've heard it claimed here before, though.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:32:13am |
re: #767 John Neverbend
Actually, I found it. The response attributed to Dawkins is hilariously funny.
I have no idea if he ever got onto the Simpsons, but he did get to play himself last year on Doctor Who. (Which is funny, because his wife is a former Time Lord.)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:32:24am |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Gergen's not a liberal, though.
His leanings have "sofetened" over the years
In addition to serving in the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan administrations, Gergen was also a campaign staffer for George H. W. Bush's 1980 presidential campaign. Despite his long-standing association with Republicans, Gergen has stated that he is actually an independent,[2] and served as an adviser to Democratic President Bill Clinton, first as a Counselor on both foreign policy and domestic affairs and then as Special International Advisor to then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher.[3]
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:32:49am |
re: #785 Pianobuff
It's not my position so I've never researched it (don't have a link). I've heard it claimed here before, though.
here's the historical of all polls...I have no idea if you could extrapolate some sort of bias...I haven't the time or energy to figure it out.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:32:52am |
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avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:34:24am |
re: #734 Charpete67
Obama bounce gone...
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
I guess Rasumussen is back to being a conservative hack again...//
Not necessarily, the poll is daily and may move a few points either way just based on the margin of error, watch the trend, not the one day number.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:34:36am |
re: #789 Killgore Trout
There's much written on the subject: Stimulus
There is actually good information available if you're willing to dig around a bit.
I have. I have also talked to financial people in both private industries, CFO of my company as well as another multi-national corp like ours as well as bankers (and no,, not a teller at the local bank branch)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:34:56am |
re: #785 Pianobuff
It's not my position so I've never researched it (don't have a link). I've heard it claimed here before, though.
I just noticed that you took down the corgi... I love the piano, but I also love corgis...
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funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:34:56am |
I don't want Americans to be in "free" competition with these kinds of things.
I actually do buy "fair trade" coffee from companies that invest in providing clean water and some education for the children of their workers, so I guess you just have to call me a socialist ... or a Progressive. I'm a Theodore Roosevelt Progressive, I suppose. I see signs of a new "Gilded Age" where environmental and worker abuse are increasing, and being cheered along by supporters of unfettered capitalism like that nut Lew Rockwell at the Ludwig von Mises Institute (he says Deng Xiopeng was the biggest advocate of freedom in the 20th century. I kid you not). I also see a huge rise in "snake oil salesmen" ... anti-vaxxers and herbal medicine quacks come to mind, all cheered on by that idiot Ron Paul. Oddly enough, the "health freedom" movement is also backed by Dan Burton and Orrin Hatch (Rs) and Tom Harkin (D). sigh
[Link: www.citizens.org...]
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:36:41am |
Citing A University He Can't Remember, Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests
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J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:37:05am |
re: #793 funky chicken
And, today, Google Canada features the Google logo with crop circles and a UFO hovering over the crop circles...as I roll my eyes...
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:37:37am |
re: #786 JamesTKirk
I have no idea if he ever got onto the Simpsons, but he did get to play himself last year on Doctor Who. (Which is funny, because his wife is a former Time Lord.)
I'll have to see that. What does Dawkins get up to in the Doctor Who episode?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:37:41am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
Citing A University He Can't Remember, Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests
I went to the same university, but I blame it on the booze and drugs!
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avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:37:43am |
re: #752 JamesTKirk
Individuals will get a tax credit of $400, while couples will get $800. The tax credit payments, expected to start around June, will be spread out through the rest of 2009 in the form of reduced federal tax withholdings taken from workers’ paychecks.
So, they're withholding less money from our paychecks.
Does that change how much we owe them next April 15th? Will the "about an extra $13 per week" that we get now all have to be paid back next year?
The money is a tax credit and will not effect your taxes in April, it's money in your pocket.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:37:52am |
re: #795 J.S.
And, today, Google Canada features the Google logo with crop circles and a UFO hovering over the crop circles...as I roll my eyes...
What is the significance of that?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:01am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
Citing A University He Can't Remember, Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests
[Video]
I really hate Beck...
Does anyone remember the Illuminati card game from Steve Jackson?
He should have his own card...
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Charpete67 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:05am |
re: #790 avanti
Not necessarily, the poll is daily and may move a few points either way just based on the margin of error, watch the trend, not the one day number.
You are rigtht...that was my original point in all of this...you will have to look at the number on Friday to see if there is any lasting bounce. I was just laughing yesterday when people were linking the poll to show the bounce.
also, I'm pretty sure he uses a three day rolling average, so the "bounce" wouldn't show up fully for about three days.
| 802 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:10am |
re: #768 Killgore Trout
Some of the tax cuts/tax credits came in the form of adjusted withholding - a reduced withholding that doesn't apply to self-employed. If you make the wrong adjustments, you'll end up underpaying and owe tax at the end of the year. Also, the making work pay credit is eliminated for tax years after 2010.
Expanded first time homebuyer credit expires November 30, 2009 - up to 10% of home price (max $8,000). Previous version had $7,500 cap. There are accelerated recapture provisions.
Deduction allowed for sales tax on new cars purchased before 2010.
Up to $2,400 of unemployment compensation is excluded from taxpayer's gross income for 2009 only.
Expanded definition of higher education expenses provided for 529 plans for 2009 and 2010.
Higher limit on refundable portion of child tax credit for 2009 and 2010.
AMT adjustments are included in ARRA of 2009 - and count towards that percentage you refer Killgore. That's disingnuous considering that the AMT adjustment occurs annually when Congress votes to keep the AMT from hitting most middle class Americans.
| 803 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:23am |
re: #792 LudwigVanQuixote
I just noticed that you took down the corgi... I love the piano, but I also love corgis...
Actually she's a Toy Manchester (aka Black & Tan). Easier to tell without the raptor head. Our other girl is a chihuahua, fastest tiny dog I've ever seen.
| 804 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:33am |
| 805 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:38:44am |
re: #792 LudwigVanQuixote
I just noticed that you took down the corgi... I love the piano, but I also love corgis...
I thought it was a corgi at first, too.
We need to form an LGF corgi fanciers club.
| 806 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:39:12am |
re: #796 John Neverbend
I'll have to see that. What does Dawkins get up to in the Doctor Who episode?
It's an episode from the end of last year called "The Stolen Earth."
In it, the Earth is (SPOILER ALERT!) stolen. He's one of the people on TV commenting on the fact that the Earth is suddenly in a completely different part of space, as is obvious from the sky.
| 807 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:39:33am |
re: #800 LudwigVanQuixote
I really hate Beck...
Does anyone remember the Illuminati card game from Steve Jackson?
He should have his own card...
I still have some blanks left.
| 808 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:39:35am |
re: #800 LudwigVanQuixote
I really hate Beck...
Does anyone remember the Illuminati card game from Steve Jackson?
He should have his own card...
Isaiah 2:4 iz kommunizm!1! Glnn Bck sez so.
| 809 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:39:38am |
re: #798 avanti
The money is a tax credit and will not effect your taxes in April, it's money in your pocket.
Which means it will be taxed at a later time
| 810 |
avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:40:15am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
Citing A University He Can't Remember, Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests
That's what passes as news on Fox. Any bets they'll ever give a correction ?
| 811 |
J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:40:38am |
| 812 |
funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:42:08am |
re: #795 J.S.
And, today, Google Canada features the Google logo with crop circles and a UFO hovering over the crop circles...as I roll my eyes...
crop circle day? LOL
| 813 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:42:44am |
re: #810 avanti
That's what passes as news on Fox. Any bets they'll ever give a correction ?
FOX has very few "news" shows. Most are opinion/talk shows
Beck, Hannity, Van Sustren, O'Reilly ,, all,l NOT "the news"
| 814 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:43:08am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
I wonder if Fox and Friends will start losing advertisers if they keep bringing Beck on as a guest. That's where the whole issue with him started.
| 815 |
KingKenrod Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:43:25am |
re: #738 Killgore Trout
Bullshit...
Economic Stimulus Package – Tax Cuts
But all this proves my point. Obama's tax cuts were centered around decreased withholding for lower income people and tax breaks for those who qualify (on things like home buying and education). These are slow methods of getting significant money into people's pockets. After the 9/11 recession we got actual checks, and again in 2008 with the first smaller stimulus that happened before Bush left office. The problem with doing it like Obama and the Democrats are doing it is that you stimulate too late, which will cause additional inflationary pressure once the economy recovers.
| 816 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:43:52am |
| 817 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:44:01am |
Nice catchy tune. TMBG gets Kudos for using real musicians and not band in a box.
Although I can't help think this tunes gonna get co-opted by an electric auto mfg. quicker than Phil Collins could sell out to a beer distributor.
| 818 |
avanti Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:45:03am |
re: #809 sattv4u2
Which means it will be taxed at a later time
How do you get to that ? It's a non taxable credit. If you are saying taxes may go up in a few years or ten, I can't predict that, but this is nothing being suggested that will affect those making under 250K on the horizon.
| 819 |
funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:45:44am |
re: #795 J.S.
And, today, Google Canada features the Google logo with crop circles and a UFO hovering over the crop circles...as I roll my eyes...
I believe that making fun of the crop circle nuts is pretty popular. We can only hope to see Google logos mocking anti-vaxxers or colon cleanser/coffee enema devotees in the future. Their beliefs are all about as scientifically sound, after all.
| 820 |
charles_martel Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:46:17am |
What? No thread about the Senate's vote to cut off ACORN??
| 821 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:46:31am |
re: #818 avanti
How do you get to that ? It's a non taxable credit. If you are saying taxes may go up in a few years or ten, I can't predict that, but this is nothing being suggested that will affect those making under 250K on the horizon.
Unless of course they are employed by someone making over $250,000.00
| 822 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:46:55am |
re: #803 Pianobuff
I have a whippet and a TR terrier.
| 823 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:48:17am |
re: #819 funky chicken
I believe that making fun of the crop circle nuts is pretty popular. We can only hope to see Google logos mocking anti-vaxxers or colon cleanser/coffee enema devotees in the future. Their beliefs are all about as scientifically sound, after all.
I don't want to see a coffee enema Google logo, thankyewverymuch
| 824 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:48:41am |
re: #820 charles_martel
What? No thread about the Senate's vote to cut off ACORN??
We already have threads about nuts in politics. /
| 825 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:48:52am |
| 826 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:48:58am |
re: #822 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a whippet and a TR terrier.
Seven poodles here.
Three standard poodles, 3 toy poodles, and one "tiny", at 5 lbs.
| 827 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:49:11am |
re: #818 avanti
How do you get to that ? It's a non taxable credit. If you are saying taxes may go up in a few years or ten, I can't predict that, but this is nothing being suggested that will affect those making under 250K on the horizon.
If it's "money in your pocket", as you say, you'll do one of two things with it
If you save it, it accrues interest which is then taxed
If you spend it, you're subject to state and local sales taxes
| 828 |
funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:49:28am |
I've got a Cairn Terrier who is a vicious predator and hunter, much to my dismay when mama bunnies insist on giving birth in my back yard.
| 829 |
funky chicken Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:50:21am |
re: #823 JamesTKirk
LOL but they do deserve mockery, don't they?
| 830 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:50:40am |
re: #808 Sharmuta
Isaiah 2:4 iz kommunizm!1! Glnn Bck sez so.
So the messiah teaching the nations to no longer make war and to turn their energies to productive means instead is communist... OK... if that is communism, then I am ready for my little furry hat.
| 831 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:51:43am |
re: #825 Dianna
Cute!
Corgi and black mutt, here.
When I went to get my TR terrier, I had in mind to look for a corgi... This little guy did some jedi mind trick on me though and I took him home...
| 832 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:52:56am |
re: #826 Kosh's Shadow
Seven poodles here.
Three standard poodles, 3 toy poodles, and one "tiny", at 5 lbs.
Poodles are sweet and really smart... I like the idea of seeing all your charges in a row...
| 833 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:19am |
re: #828 funky chicken
I've got a Cairn Terrier who is a vicious predator and hunter, much to my dismay when mama bunnies insist on giving birth in my back yard.
ouch
| 834 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:35am |
re: #829 funky chicken
LOL but they do deserve mockery, don't they?
Yes, but preferably without visuals.
| 835 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:43am |
| 836 |
debutaunt Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:55:09am |
re: #802 lawhawk
Some of the tax cuts/tax credits came in the form of adjusted withholding - a reduced withholding that doesn't apply to self-employed. If you make the wrong adjustments, you'll end up underpaying and owe tax at the end of the year. Also, the making work pay credit is eliminated for tax years after 2010.
Expanded first time homebuyer credit expires November 30, 2009 - up to 10% of home price (max $8,000). Previous version had $7,500 cap. There are accelerated recapture provisions.
Deduction allowed for sales tax on new cars purchased before 2010.
Up to $2,400 of unemployment compensation is excluded from taxpayer's gross income for 2009 only.
Expanded definition of higher education expenses provided for 529 plans for 2009 and 2010.
Higher limit on refundable portion of child tax credit for 2009 and 2010.
AMT adjustments are included in ARRA of 2009 - and count towards that percentage you refer Killgore. That's disingnuous considering that the AMT adjustment occurs annually when Congress votes to keep the AMT from hitting most middle class Americans.
These very few examples show how stupidly the taxes are ever more complex and really stupid.
| 837 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:55:28am |
re: #822 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a whippet and a TR terrier.
TR?
Friends of ours have had a series of whippets. They do the whole coursing contest thing. Their whippets were extremely high-energy and seemingly indefatigable with a high curiosity level.
| 838 |
debutaunt Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:56:54am |
re: #805 Dianna
I thought it was a corgi at first, too.
We need to form an LGF corgi fanciers club.
Fanciers of faux corgis, unite.
| 839 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:39am |
re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote
Poodles are sweet and really smart... I like the idea of seeing all your charges in a row...
I'd have to photoshop it. It's hard enough to get a picture of one or two of them, and the large female would try to kill the toy female, and the two large males would try to decide who's top dog.
We just wanted to replace a standard female that died, when her playmate got depressed (became a couch poodle), but the local person who bred his poodle didn't want to split the last 2 (and I think his wife wanted them out of the house as they were starting to chew collectible stuffed animals).
| 840 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:25am |
re: #831 LudwigVanQuixote
When I went to get my TR terrier, I had in mind to look for a corgi... This little guy did some jedi mind trick on me though and I took him home...
I know all about that - in one case, a kitten said, "You! You're mine!"
| 841 |
J.S. Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:33am |
re: #819 funky chicken
But, according to the blog article, Google's not "mocking" crop circles -- they're now using it. Quote: "Now Google has jumped on the bandwagon. If you click on the crop circle icon, it brings up a search for crop circles. The first alien-themed doodle that Google ran was last week, when it had people guessing why it showed a flying saucer "abducting" the letter "O" in its name. Clicking on that doodle took users through to a page about "unexplained phenomenon". They're apparently using it as a marketing ploy...reminds me of Glenn Beck...
| 842 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:11:41am |
re: #839 Kosh's Shadow
Puppies and "collectible stuffed animals" sounds like one of those situations that would make me giggle helplessly.
| 843 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:24am |
re: #818 avanti
How do you get to that ? It's a non taxable credit. If you are saying taxes may go up in a few years or ten, I can't predict that, but this is nothing being suggested that will affect those making under 250K on the horizon.
Expiration of the Bush tax cuts is going to affect a lot of folks with AGI under $250k.
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borgcube Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:05pm |
Way late here. Anybody remember Laurie Anderson? This song sounds like something she would have done 25 years ago.
Other than that, this stuff seems more appropriate now for a kindergarten classroom than some edgy venue featuring TMBG back in the day.
TMBG has gone Danny Elfman on us. I still like it, but it feel like I'm listening and watching the Electric Company. Conjunction Junction, what's your function...
| 845 |
scrubjay Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:06:17pm |
Cute video. It has a catchy tune. The female singer has a sweet voice.
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