Tea Party Leader Mark Williams: Hoist With His Own Petard

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Here’s Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams on the Anderson Cooper show, denying there are any extremists at the tea parties, they’re just a tiny minority of fringe elements, no racists, only a few Obama-with-a-bone-through-his-nose pictures, everything’s just fine.

And then Anderson quotes what Mark Williams wrote on his own blog.

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Cooper: Mark, what you’re saying makes sense to me here … but then I read on your blog, you say … you call the President an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug, and a racist in chief.

Williams: Yeah!

Cooper: Is that the kind of …

Williams: That’s the way he’s behaving!

Cooper: But … but …

[David Gergen and James Carville start laughing in astonishment…]

Williams: I mean if he cares to be the President of the whole country ….

Cooper: Do you really believe he’s Indonesian? Do you really believe he’s a Muslim? Do you really believe he’s a welfare thug?

Williams: I… I… he’s certainly acting like it.

Gergen: You think he’s a racist in chief? Racist in chief? Is that what you call him? A racist in chief? It’s unbelievable.

Williams: Until he embraces the rest of this country, what else can I conclude?

The amazing thing is that even when his own blatantly racist, bigoted remarks are brought up and thrown in his face, he doesn’t say something like, “OK, maybe that was a little over the top, but we need to focus on the real issues… yadda yadda.” You know, the kind of political spinning almost everyone knows how to do these days.

Nope. He proudly stands by his “sekrit Moslem welfare thug” rant, and refuses to back down.

Hoist with one’s own petard:

The word remains in modern usage in the phrase hoist with one’s own petard, which means “to be harmed by one’s own plan to harm someone else” or “to fall into one’s own trap”, literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoist, or blown upward) by one’s own bomb.

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410 comments

1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:44:42am

Nice going, genius.

/

2 saylorfam  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:45:44am

Sliced and diced..

3 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:46:16am

If only he had taken Obama's advice and not posted on the web things that would embarrass him later.

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:47:03am

Utterly embarrassing to have Carville laughing like that. It was richly deserved.

5 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:47:41am

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

If only he had taken Obama's advice and not posted on the web things that would embarrass him later.

Lol!

6 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Utterly embarrassing to have Carville laughing like that. It was richly deserved.

He opened his mouth, only to have his own foot stuffed in it.

7 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:50:40am

Huge bold headline on Drudge: WHITE STUDENT BEATEN ON SCHOOL BUS; CROWD CHEERS

A Belleville police spokesman now says an incident where a white student was beaten by teen black assailants on a bus “may not be racially motivated.”

“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.”

WTF?

8 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:50:41am

Nothing like a quote from "Hamlet" to brighten one's morning!

9 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:51:15am

Duh, everybody knows Obama is Kenyan, not Indonesian
/

10 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #2 saylorfam

Sliced and diced..


Slap Chop

11 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:52:55am
Gergen: You think he’s a racist in chief? Racist in chief? Is that what you call him? A racist in chief? It’s unbelievable.

Williams: Until he embraces the rest of this country, what else can I conclude?

I don't think this has anything to do with a desire on the part of Mr Williams to see Obama "embrace" the rest of the country. He's no better than Kanye West saying Bush hated black people. It's disgusting, and increases racial division in this country when we need to come together. Shame on him.

12 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:52:57am
"David Gergen and James Carville start laughing in astonishment..."

Now that takes talent!

Williams: "Until he embraces the rest of this country, what else can I conclude?"

Oh... I see he didn't get enough hugs from his Mommy. That explains a lot. /

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:16am

The amazing thing is that even when his own blatantly racist, bigoted remarks are brought up -- he doesn't say something like, "OK, maybe that was a little over the top, but we need to focus on the real issues... yadda yadda." You know, the kind of political spinning almost everyone knows how to do these days.

Nope. He proudly stands by his "sekrit Moslem welfare thug" rant, and refuses to back down.

14 Buck  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:53am

This is why Charles is so careful with whom he aligns himself, and by extension us. Everyone who was at the tea party and sees this will feel used and cheated. I can't help but think they were.

15 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:53:58am

This guy and Van Jones should be forced to move in together, far, far away from the rest of us.

I wouldn't associate myself with either one, which is why I never would have considered attending any "anti-war" demonstrations or tea parties. I don't like kooks.

16 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:54:01am

Calling a black President a "welfare thug" is pure, unvarnished racism, folks.

17 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:54:06am

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

If only he had taken Obama's advice and not posted on the web things that would embarrass him later.

except he's not embarrassed

18 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:54:30am

I love the way these loons (leftwads and rightards) always have themselves filmed in front of shelf upon shelf of fat tomes. There must be a special room in every studio for "guys who want to look intellectual". I'm betting if you gave Mark one of those law books or whatever they are and asked him for a synopsis, he'd have to look up the word first.

No, he'd first ask you how to spell it.

19 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:55:17am

re: #17 Shug

except he's not embarrassed

And this is what I don't get. He spent a lot of time and hot air trying to make people believe the whole "tiny minority of nutjobs" tripe. Then he has his OWN statements read on the record, and he's like, "Uhh, yeah, exactly." Could he have done a better job of invalidating his own argument?

20 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:55:18am

The stupid is strong with Williams. Their words and deeds will undermine whatever little credibility they have left.

The fact is that the Obama Administration has done plenty wrong and his tax and spend policies are ruinous. You don't have to engage in racism or threaten revolution (or anything even remotely indicating as much) or coopt Soviet art (or lefty art in general) to get your message out there. People realize that tax and spend isn't fiscally prudent at a basic level.

But people who make the reasonable argument get drowned out by clowns who go and make a ruckus and make extreme statements.

re: #7 Killgore Trout
Making statements before seeing the whole video? Can't imagine anyone else who did something like that. When I first saw the video, I figured it was a typical school grudge and beatdown; not anything racially motivated. It might still turn out be racially motivated, but that wasn't my first thought.

21 filetandrelease  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:56:27am

Although not all of these right wing kooks are Repulicans, plenty are and they are NOT helping the conservative movement for 2010. It is a shame too because the Dems have left the door wide open.

22 J.S.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:56:29am

re: #13 Charles

Is he without shame? to be caught so openly...first posing himself as "a moderate" etc., then having his own extremist rhetoric dictated back at him by Anderson Cooper -- and his response? yeah, he stands by it...nauseating...

23 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #19 thedopefishlives

And this is what I don't get. He spent a lot of time and hot air trying to make people believe the whole "tiny minority of nutjobs" tripe. Then he has his OWN statements read on the record, and he's like, "Uhh, yeah, exactly." Could he have done a better job of invalidating his own argument?


Because he thinks his views are correct.
A nut job doesn't think he's a nut job because he's...a nut job

24 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:56:46am

Malkin's on the same racial angle...
A teachable moment: Racial thuggery in St. Louis (Linking to the same article that it may not be racially motivated)

This is absolutely horrifying for any parent to watch. STLToday.com reports that police say the black-on-white student beating was completely unprovoked and racially motivated. Watch as many students cheer the attack — and the bus driver is nowhere to be seen:

This was also on stormfront this morning. Even if this was racially motivated IT IS NOT A NATIONAL STORY! This stuff has always happened in high schools. It's intentionally stoking racial tensions.

25 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:57:06am

Hippies, nipple clips, and feather boas?

What is this 1966?

Failure. He's obviously speaking to a specific audience.

And Welfare Thug?

26 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:57:08am

re: #9 Shug

Duh, everybody knows Obama is Kenyan, not Indonesian
/

I laughed, but it's tragic that lunatic Orly Taitz actually has convinced hundreds (HUNDREDS?) of military members to file nutty birther challenges to their deployment orders. Shiplord Kirel posted an article a couple of days ago about a female USA captain PHYSICIAN who's represented by Taitz in her legal case.

Way to go GOP...way to "support the troops."

27 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #16 Charles

Calling a black President a "welfare thug" is pure, unvarnished racism, folks.


I agree. How come none of the other 3 called him a racist directly? I was personally surprised it didnt happen.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:57:44am

re: #16 Charles

Calling a black President a "welfare thug" is pure, unvarnished racism, folks.

The right wing is really working the racial angle today. This is all going to end very badly.

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:57:49am

re: #16 Charles

Calling a black President a "welfare thug" is pure, unvarnished racism, folks.

That would be the no-shit Sherlock of the day.

Unfortunately, there are plenty who would ned the dots connected for them on this one, so I am perhaps more sad that you felt that you had to point it out from bitter experience.

30 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:01am

Indonesian Muslim attack Playboy building

JAKARTA -- About 300 hard-line Indonesian Muslims vandalized a building housing the office of Playboy magazine on Wednesday in a protest against its publication in the world's most populous Muslim nation.

Clad in white shirts and skull caps the protesters threw rocks at the front lobby, breaking the windows of the building in the south of Jakarta several days after the magazine hit news-stands for the first time.

Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest), the protesters also ripped apart several copies of the Indonesian Playboy, which unlike the U.S. original does not show any nudity.

humm.

31 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:20am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

The right wing is really working the racial angle today. This is all going to end very badly.

Did you see Drudge this morning?

32 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:21am

re: #18 Cato the Elder

I love the way these loons (leftwads and rightards) always have themselves filmed in front of shelf upon shelf of fat tomes. There must be a special room in every studio for "guys who want to look intellectual". I'm betting if you gave Mark one of those law books or whatever they are and asked him for a synopsis, he'd have to look up the word first.

No, he'd first ask you how to spell it.

Good to see you again buddy!

33 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:43am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Huge bold headline on Drudge: WHITE STUDENT BEATEN ON SCHOOL BUS; CROWD CHEERS

WTF?

That's a major headline for Drudge don't you see. It's a just like if they found a blue eyed kid being beaten up by a brown eyed one, major frigging news.

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

That would be the no-shit Sherlock of the day.

Unfortunately, there are plenty who would ned the dots connected for them on this one, so I am perhaps more sad that you felt that you had to point it out from bitter experience.

I guarantee there will be someone in here shortly trying to argue that it isn't.

35 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:59:19am

Wonderful - he thinks Obama is "giving America to the corporations".

Funny, wasn't that what the leftwads said about Bush?

Moronic convergence.

36 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:59:24am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

A Belleville police spokesman now says an incident where a white student was beaten by teen black assailants on a bus “may not be racially motivated.”

I have to agree with using caution in calling a crime race or hate related. (Of course most crimes are hate based but that is another topic). When I was in high school (early 80s) we had two girls get into fisticuffs in the cafeteria line. One happened to be white and the other happened tobe black but the fight had nothing to do with race and everything to do with pushing the the cafeteria line.

The incident was handled by the school administration as a normal fight between students but when a local paper decided it was too juicy a story to pass up spinning it and we had all sorts of idiots driving into town to start race riots. The students stuck together and mercifully the idiots left town without a fight.

37 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #8 Cato the Elder

Nothing like a quote from "Hamlet" to brighten one's morning!

Too right.

"For 'tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard:"

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:59:48am

re: #25 Gus 802

Hippies, nipple clips, and feather boas?

What is this 1966?

Failure. He's obviously speaking to a specific audience.

And Welfare Thug?

He's speaking for bigots. And some folks don't like it when you point out these folks are bigots- and go out of their way to make excuses for them and say those noting the bigots are the real bigots. Just warped.

39 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:00:14am

re: #33 avanti

That's a major headline for Drudge don't you see. It's a just like if they found a blue eyed kid being beaten up by a brown eyed one, major frigging news.

hate to say but if it was the other way around, it would have lead the network news for a week and the "reverends" would already be on a flight to St Louis

and Obama would have said the school kids acted "stuipdly"

99% of the time these hysterical overreactions are the other way around.

40 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:00:26am

re: #19 thedopefishlives

And this is what I don't get. He spent a lot of time and hot air trying to make people believe the whole "tiny minority of nutjobs" tripe. Then he has his OWN statements read on the record, and he's like, "Uhh, yeah, exactly." Could he have done a better job of invalidating his own argument?

See, he demonstrated why he said there were only a tiny minority of nutjobs, because he was using himself as the reference. It's all self-consistent to him, but he has completely discredited himself now.

He'll never be able to go on TV as himself again. He'll have to go in disguise, in a white sheet.///

41 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:01:00am

re: #31 Gus 802

Did you see Drudge this morning?

Yeah, he has it at the top of the page in bold capital letters. They are stoking some very bad fires.
Seriously, this is a fight between high school kids. Do people not remember what it was like in high school? This happens a couple times a day at every school across the country.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:01:02am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Huge bold headline on Drudge: WHITE STUDENT BEATEN ON SCHOOL BUS; CROWD CHEERS

WTF?

Well this is a story to go on the Black people are out to get you meme that is terrifying the far right... Call it pure agitprop for the whack jobs.

Of course there is a bit of psychology here about projection.

If you don't tend to hate people and do nasty things to them, you don't assume that they will do nasty things to you.

43 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:01:16am

re: #38 Sharmuta

He's speaking for bigots. And some folks don't like it when you point out these folks are bigots- and go out of their way to make excuses for them and say those noting the bigots are the real bigots. Just warped.

They're out of control. This is snowballing and going to backfire big time.

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:01:28am

re: #34 Charles

I guarantee there will be someone in here shortly trying to argue that it isn't.

I know you are right, that was why I wrote the second bit to that.

45 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:01am

re: #38 Sharmuta

He's speaking for bigots. And some folks don't like it when you point out these folks are bigots- and go out of their way to make excuses for them and say those noting the bigots are the real bigots. Just warped.

And what is wrong with nipple clips!

Ducks///

46 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:18am

re: #24 Killgore Trout


This was also on stormfront this morning. Even if this was racially motivated IT IS NOT A NATIONAL STORY! This stuff has always happened in high schools. It's intentionally stoking racial tensions.

Ya think ? We do have a "welfare thug", black POTUS, don't you see./

47 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:29am

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

And what is wrong with nipple clips!

Ducks///

The chafing.

Ouch.

48 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:37am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he has it at the top of the page in bold capital letters. They are stoking some very bad fires.
Seriously, this is a fight between high school kids. Do people not remember what it was like in high school? This happens a couple times a day at every school across the country.

Exactly. That's common place so to speak and in my personal experience it varied with regards to who did what to whom.

49 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:38am

re: #39 Shug

hate to say but if it was the other way around, it would have lead the network news for a week and the "reverends" would already be on a flight to St Louis

and Obama would have said the school kids acted "stuipdly"

99% of the time these hysterical overreactions are the other way around.

The other way around, it likely wouldn't have made any news at all.

50 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:03:31am

The deficit situation is of fundamental concern and should be a key component of any debate on any government spending.

I didn't like debt as % of GDP at 50. That figure is way too high for any private business to accept. Now we will see debt/GDP at 100% Plus for the foreseeable future.

This is BAD MANAGEMENT people.

The slow aggrandizement of federal power in the United States seems to be linked to irresponsible spending.

On paper, the government says all the right things:

The findings suggest that a federal budget strategy of constraining spending growth below output growth, with particular attention paid to constraining transfer payments, would have positive effects on economic growth.

Yet this government is proposing Obamacare which is a huge, new, unfunded mandate based on the idea that "savings can be found".

51 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #49 Coracle

The other way around, it likely wouldn't have made any news at all.

White Students beat the only black kid on the bus...not making news.

SUUURE

52 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

The bus driver was driving the bus. The bus driver's job is to drive the bus, and kids whoop and holler in there all the time. It's one reason I drive my kids to school every day...lots of stuff happens on buses that would be stopped in school.

Now, black on white hate crimes and rhetoric seems to be an escalating problem in our society, and I think President Obama is in an excellent position to address it. I hope he chooses to do so some time while he's in office. Let's say I'm not terribly optimistic, but I'm not an optimistic person in general.

53 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:04:21am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Malkin's on the same racial angle...
A teachable moment: Racial thuggery in St. Louis (Linking to the same article that it may not be racially motivated)

This was also on stormfront this morning. Even if this was racially motivated IT IS NOT A NATIONAL STORY! This stuff has always happened in high schools. It's intentionally stoking racial tensions.

I do not give a shit what is on Stormfront. I think you need to reassess why you think you need to visit that site on a regular basis.

54 StillAMarine  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:04:38am

The biggest problem that I see is that despite the fact that most of the people at the tea parties are very likely to be seriously and honestly concerned about the way they see their country going, the nut-jobs and loons smear their honest efforts with their idiot ranting and slanderous signs that portray our president as a nazi-style fascist or as a primitive cannibal.
As usual, the nut-jobs are the only ones that get the airtime, thus negating the honest efforts of the many.
I cannot believe that everybody who attends a tea party is a Ron Paulian nitwit or a Glenn Beck stooge.

55 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:04:42am

re: #46 avanti

Ya think ? We do have a "welfare thug", black POTUS, don't you see./

One of the tea party videos we found over the weekend had some Michelle Bachmann supporter talking about Obama rounding up alnglo-saxons. White people are spooky when the feel oppressed. A lot of people on the right seem very eager to exploit racism to advance their cause. Despicable.

56 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:04:47am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Let's not use Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the model for student relations counseling.

57 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:05:39am

When the right out-loonies the left loonies, the end times are nigh. *sobs*

58 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:06:30am

re: #30 midwestgak

Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest), the protesters also ripped apart several copies of the Indonesian Playboy, which unlike the U.S. original does not show any nudity.

humm.

So what is the content? The Illustrated Koran?

59 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

See, he demonstrated why he said there were only a tiny minority of nutjobs, because he was using himself as the reference. It's all self-consistent to him, but he has completely discredited himself now.

He'll never be able to go on TV as himself again. He'll have to go in disguise, in a white sheet.///

brown paper bag with those eye holes cut out?

60 teleskiguy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:07:10am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I saw this headline and just shuddered. A kid getting beat up on a bus is not natonal news. I watched chicanos beat up white kids a lot when I was in primary school, none of it was racially motivated, it was meathead kids being meathead kids.

And now we have racists coming out in the open with this tea party Glenn Beck bullshit. A nadir of tolerance may be at hand.

/shudder

61 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:07:26am

re: #58 DaddyG

So what is the content? The Illustrated Koran?

Clothed women I'd imagine.

62 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:08:50am

Just heard Charlie Gibson clip on Rush claiming ignorance on ACORN scandals.

heh.

63 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:08:55am

re: #54 StillAMarine

i'm sure that they aren't.but those decent folks are going to be tarred with what the loons are doing.
What is needed is some kind of security which will tell the obama=hitler,and bone through the nose folks that they aren't welcome.

64 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #50 experiencedtraveller
Get Yer Bread and Circuses here! Brrread and Circussses!

65 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:32am

re: #36 DaddyG

I have to agree with using caution in calling a crime race or hate related. (Of course most crimes are hate based but that is another topic). When I was in high school (early 80s) we had two girls get into fisticuffs in the cafeteria line. One happened to be white and the other happened tobe black but the fight had nothing to do with race and everything to do with pushing the the cafeteria line.

The incident was handled by the school administration as a normal fight between students but when a local paper decided it was too juicy a story to pass up spinning it and we had all sorts of idiots driving into town to start race riots. The students stuck together and mercifully the idiots left town without a fight.

Black kids do beat up white kids, and the reverse on occasion, and yes, it can be racial. Jocks beat up on nerds, straights beat up gays, but that is not national news. Dragging a black man to death behind a pickup is news, and had the black kids tied the white kid to the buses bumper, I could get the stories coverage.
As mentioned, Drudges big headline has only one purpose, to stroke racial crap, sad, really.

66 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #61 greygandalf

Clothed women I'd imagine.

You can actually see their entire faces and a little neck. Scandalous!
///

67 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #58 DaddyG

So what is the content? The Illustrated Koran?

Illustrations of Mohammed and Aisha would be illegal for different reasons in this country.

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:10:30am

re: #66 Kosh's Shadow

You can actually see their entire faces and a little neck. Scandalous!
///

and perhaps nipple clips...

Ducking again///

69 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:12:12am
they’re just a tiny minority of fringe elements, no racists, only a few Obama-with-a-bone-through-his-nose pictures, everything’s just fine.

Even if its true that this is just a tiny minority, the leadership falls into this "tiny minority." That makes this a huge issue.

70 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:12:29am

re: #66 Kosh's Shadow

You can actually see their entire faces and a little neck. Scandalous!
///

Mini-Burkhas

71 McSpiff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:13:11am

re: #69 Lee Coller

Even if its true that this is just a tiny minority, the leadership falls into this "tiny minority." That makes this a huge issue.

Exactly... as i said last night, "kick the fringe out? Why its rude to kick a host out of his own party!"

72 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:13:19am

re: #70 DaddyG

Mini-Burkhas

You mean burkhas that are above the ankle? No wonder they attacked!
///

73 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:13:38am

re: #51 Shug

White Students beat the only black kid on the bus...not making news.

SUUURE

BTW, he was not the only white kid on the bus.

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #54 StillAMarine

As usual, the nut-jobs are the only ones that get the airtime, thus negating the honest efforts of the many.

The nut-jobs got the airtime because they were the organizers.

I cannot believe that everybody who attends a tea party is a Ron Paulian nitwit or a Glenn Beck stooge.

If they did not agree with R.Paul or G Beck, they were fooled, because R Paul and G Beck and their minions were the ones who ran the event.

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:14:20am
"That's the way he's behaving!"

W.T.F.

Has he done research on what Indonesian muslims behave like? Just curious.
That is the dumbest response. Nothing like using your 15 minutes to have no substance or focus on issues...

Welcome to our leadership.

76 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:14:43am

The American people demand champagne services on a beer budget. Yes, even the "fiscally responsible" ones want their cake (or cruise missiles, or F164-37 Super Deluxe jet fighters, or other unlimited welfare checks for the military-industrial complex) without paying for it.

Either fewer services, or higher taxes, or both. There is no other way to reduce deficits, much less "balance the budget".

It's another form of the Tragedy of the Commons, and it cuts all ways. Wait till they get around to your pet service and then we'll see how anti-tax you are.

77 StillAMarine  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:15:25am

re: #69 Lee Coller

Even if its true that this is just a tiny minority, the leadership falls into this "tiny minority." That makes this a huge issue.

You may very easily be correct in this statement. Neither GB or RP seem to be paragons of circumspection.

78 flyovercountry  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #34 Charles

I guarantee there will be someone in here shortly trying to argue that it isn't.

Not only was the comment racist, but it is also blatantly wrong. In fact, the opposite is true. President Obama is a typical, run of the mill, limosine liberal. He follows in the tradition of Rockefeller, Kennedy, Edwards, and Kerry. He comes straight from the do as I say, and not as I do school of governance. Those wonderful elites with real wealth behind them telling us to hate high income earners. Making us believe that we need to tax rich people, knowing that in the U.S., wealth is not taxed, but income is.

By the way, I believe that three Presidents during my life time did grow up in low income households. They were Nixon, Ford, and Reagan. I am certain that the able bodied fact checkers on LGF will be able to verify, or disprove.

79 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:15:56am

re: #65 avanti

Drudge has also been linking to Pat Buchanan's articles lately too. I'm feeling queezy.

80 Sean  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:15:59am

We need to have Tea Parties for level-headed conservatives that want to keep more of the money that they earn. Let's have protests against eternal national debts and government bloating.

Conservatives are rational people, too.

81 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:17:57am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

Either fewer services, or higher taxes, or both.

I vote fewer services.

82 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #80 Sean

We need to have Tea Parties for level-headed conservatives that want to keep more of the money that they earn. Let's have protests against eternal national debts and government bloating.

Conservatives are rational people, too.

Yeah! Let's call them campaigns, and have them culminate in elections!

83 StillAMarine  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:17:59am

re: #74 wrenchwench

I believe you.

Fact is, there is a lot of concern out there, and demagogues like Glenn B and Ron P are stoking it up as much as they can. But that is not to say that people do not have any real concern.

84 Uncle Meat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:18:02am

I consider myself a lefty but not lefty enough for the H. Chavez loving idiots that inhabit most of my would-be peers blogs. I always find myself reading this blog even though I am politically at a different end of the spectrum. My watershed moment was attending an anti-war rally and seeing hammer and sickles on t-shirts and signs, open communists with their leaflets, etc. This disgusted me and I'm glad to see that the other side of the fence is disgusted as well by their own rallies and the political opportunists who take advantage of these people. Thanks for the blog, Charles.

85 abbyadams  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:18:14am

Mock early, mock often.

I thought Gergen was going to take a fit, there, for a moment.

86 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #80 Sean

We need to have Tea Parties for level-headed conservatives that want to keep more of the money that they earn. Let's have protests against eternal national debts and government bloating.

Conservatives are rational people, too.

The name "Tea Party" is forever discredited. Come up with something else.

87 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #81 experiencedtraveller

I vote fewer services.

Except for the ones you use, right?

88 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:18:57am

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Except for the ones you use, right?

Which are?

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:04am

re: #86 Cato the Elder

The name "Tea Party" is forever discredited. Come up with something else.


Keg party?

90 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Except for the ones you use, right?

I'll make it through without them.

91 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #80 Sean

I would step away from the name "tea party though.The jack-asses have tarnished what would have been a clever name for a fiscal responability campain.

92 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:38am
93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Toga! Toga!

94 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:23am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Keg party?

Now all I can imagine is a bunch of frat boys all screaming "WOOO!" at the top of their lungs, daring each other to stand under the beer bong until they pass out.

95 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:32am

Bye Lizards, I'm off to the airport. When I post again, I'll be in Israel! (unless the airport has free wireless)

96 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:42am

re: #86 Cato the Elder

The name "Tea Party" is forever discredited. Come up with something else.

Might I suggest that we demonstrate our disapproval during nationally-designated days for these purposes, and maybe even use the days selected within the several states for this same purpose?

Election Day, people. That's the only one that counts. Everything else is just spectacle.

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #94 MrSilverDragon

Now all I can imagine is a bunch of frat boys all screaming "WOOO!" at the top of their lungs, daring each other to stand under the beer bong until they pass out.

Point?

98 Sean  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #82 wrenchwench

Yeah! Let's call them campaigns, and have them culminate in elections!

I disagree. There is every bit of good in raising hell and letting the representatives hear us in between elections.
The government belongs to me, too. Right there in the preamble...

99 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:54am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

National defense (raise army and navy) is a clearly spelled out responsibility to be carried out by Congress and the President - the federal government. Taxes to cover national defense spending are acceptable and represent a fraction of the national budget.

Entitlements - from Social Security to Medicare to Medicaid and the proposed health care programs are not explicitly included as among the responsibilities of the federal government (though as I've repeatedly noted it will be justified under Art 1, Sec 8, Cl. 18) .

We are not going to see the end of existing entitlements anytime soon, but those cost far more than the national defense, and their ongoing budget deficits are not getting any smaller. It is a good argument to claim that no new entitlements should be passed until existing ones are brought into fiscally responsible shape - ending structural deficits going forward and eliminating the debt that has accumulated since their inception.

100 McSpiff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:20:58am

re: #94 MrSilverDragon

Now all I can imagine is a bunch of frat boys all screaming "WOOO!" at the top of their lungs, daring each other to stand under the beer bong until they pass out.

Which, sadly, might still be more responsible than the current group of protesters

101 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:01am

re: #95 Alouette

Bye Lizards, I'm off to the airport. When I post again, I'll be in Israel! (unless the airport has free wireless)

Safe travel.

102 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:07am

Ohhh polite flounce...thats new

103 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #84 Uncle Meat

I consider myself a lefty but not lefty enough for the H. Chavez loving idiots that inhabit most of my would-be peers blogs. I always find myself reading this blog even though I am politically at a different end of the spectrum. My watershed moment was attending an anti-war rally and seeing hammer and sickles on t-shirts and signs, open communists with their leaflets, etc. This disgusted me and I'm glad to see that the other side of the fence is disgusted as well by their own rallies and the political opportunists who take advantage of these people. Thanks for the blog, Charles.

And yet people claim you're a mythical creature. We now have proof at LGF that leftists were indeed bothered by their own protests. Thanks for be rational, great first comment and welcome to LGF.

104 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:28am

Conservatives are too busy working, and enjoying life.

I still submit that normal productive Americans are too busy or too apathetic about politics to make a sign and go stand and protest.

and that's the problem.

it's the freaks and losers that make all the noise when it ought to be the other way around

105 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:50am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Huge bold headline on Drudge: WHITE STUDENT BEATEN ON SCHOOL BUS; CROWD CHEERS

WTF?

Watched the video. Some of the young men in the back cheered. The rest were appalled. Some students intervened twice in fact stopping the fight twice. Even the report that knucklehead Drudge refers to states:

Students intervened to help the victim both times.

106 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar

Point?

I miss college.

107 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:02am
108 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #52 funky chicken

The bus driver was driving the bus. The bus driver's job is to drive the bus, and kids whoop and holler in there all the time. It's one reason I drive my kids to school every day...lots of stuff happens on buses that would be stopped in school.

Now, black on white hate crimes and rhetoric seems to be an escalating problem in our society, and I think President Obama is in an excellent position to address it. I hope he chooses to do so some time while he's in office. Let's say I'm not terribly optimistic, but I'm not an optimistic person in general.

Really? That's a pretty big charge, and it seems like one of those claims that are pulled out of nowhere.
I have not heard or seen or read anything that makes that claim... or would even lead me to think anything of the sort.
Can you provide links, or any thing that supports such a comment?
Because, and I'm sure you don't mean it this way, it seems like the beginning of an excuse, or a justification for something.

109 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:14am

re: #107 adela

Flounced.

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:45am

re: #107 adela

Don't let the door hitya, where the good lord splitya!

111 McSpiff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #103 Sharmuta

And yet people claim you're a mythical creature. We now have proof at LGF that leftists were indeed bothered by their own protests. Thanks for be rational, great first comment and welcome to LGF.

Feel free to add me to that list. Heck I even managed to think the war in Iraq was a bad idea, but not a war crime

112 Danny  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:50am

re: #86 Cato the Elder

The name "Tea Party" is forever discredited. Come up with something else.

Scotch party!

113 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #86 Cato the Elder

Cask of Amontillado Party.

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:03am

re: #107 adela

Could ya pick up my sheets on the way out?

115 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:14am

And the count is
Two flounces!
At least they were polite and not ranting screeds that took longer to write than to get deleted.

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:19am

Two flounces already!

117 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #107 adela

bye bye !keep missing the forest for all the trees!

118 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:35am

banned camp gonna have to open a new dorm at this rate

119 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:23:47am

re: #115 Kosh's Shadow

And the count is
Two flounces!
At least they were polite and not ranting screeds that took longer to write than to get deleted.

No - one was semi-polite, the other was a rant full of insults.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24:06am

re: #115 Kosh's Shadow

And the count is
Two flounces!
At least they were polite and not ranting screeds that took longer to write than to get deleted.

The #2 flounce called us racist. Fuck him/her.

121 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #92 NukeAtomrod

Oh come on!

Is there REALLY a debate on this guy? This is proof positive that the guy says one thing all the while doing another. Definitely not flounce worthy...

122 S'latch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24:17am

"He who throws mud only loses ground."
- Fat Albert

123 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24:30am

Lizards are seriously going to flounce over criticizing this racist piece of shit? Amazing.

124 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24:40am
125 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Lizards are seriously going to flounce over criticizing this racist piece of shit? Amazing.

I missed the first flounce, but the second was hardly a member of long standing.

126 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:07am

re: #124 aggieann

Bye,

127 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:08am

People like this hurt the just cause of trying to rein in the federal government. I wish more people on the right would understand just how damaging this kind of rhetoric is to their cause.

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:10am

3!!!

129 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

A flounce of prevention, I say.

130 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:22am

My god.

131 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:25am

Flounce #3!

132 McSpiff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:34am

Jeeze, I feel like we should get a pool going today!

133 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

The American people demand champagne services on a beer budget...

Either fewer services, or higher taxes, or both. There is no other way to reduce deficits, much less "balance the budget"...

First of all we need increased tax revenues which is not the same thing as increased taxes.

There is a way to reduce the gap. Federal Government programs are used to being inefficient because they can always print or appropriate more where the last batch came from.

We need to concentrate on the most efficient way to deliver government services without creating nanny-state dependency on the part of citizens. In my state we are doing a whole lot of process improvement, service improvement and prioritizing which has allowed us to cut budgets, continue current level or improved service to constituents and retain employees. Some of our agencies have vastly improved services and cut costs all while enduring no pay increase in two years plus furloughs.

Meanwhile the feds (without a balanced budget mandated by the constitution) are complaining about a mere 2.5% pay increase.

Phoooey!

134 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:53am

We've got a race of flounces on this thread (kinda like a murder of ravens or gaggle of geese).

135 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:54am

Oh, holy hell. The Stupid (tm) is strong with this crowd today.

136 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:25:55am

Jeez, these morons decided to go all Jonestown over this?

137 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Lizards are seriously going to flounce over criticizing this racist piece of shit? Amazing.

Says a lot doesn't it?

138 acwgusa  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:15am

re: #84 Uncle Meat

I consider myself a lefty but not lefty enough for the H. Chavez loving idiots that inhabit most of my would-be peers blogs. I always find myself reading this blog even though I am politically at a different end of the spectrum. My watershed moment was attending an anti-war rally and seeing hammer and sickles on t-shirts and signs, open communists with their leaflets, etc. This disgusted me and I'm glad to see that the other side of the fence is disgusted as well by their own rallies and the political opportunists who take advantage of these people. Thanks for the blog, Charles.

Welcome, fellow believer in logic and rationality, reasoned discourse and political civility!

139 S'latch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:17am

I was wondering whether 92 was a "flounce." It seemed rather polite. I guess it doesn't matter.

140 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:28am

Pres Obama is addressing the AFL-CIO now.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:28am

Charles, I ordered a pepperoni pizza a while ago, please cancel my...
///

142 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:31am

re: #119 Charles

No - one was semi-polite, the other was a rant full of insults.

I must have read the 2nd one too fast.
Compared with some of the flounces recently, though...

I only recognized the 1st one's nic, though, and I don't remember seeing any indication that it would flounce. But who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of lizards?

143 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:26:51am

They're flouncing over this hateful bastard?

144 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #143 Noam Sayin'

They're flouncing over this hateful bastard?

Sadly, yes.

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:19am

re: #139 Lawrence Schmerel

I was wondering whether 92 was a "flounce." It seemed rather polite. I guess it doesn't matter.

It could've been handled in a private email to Charles, rather than announcing the departure in a public thread. Technically, that constitutes a flounce, however polite and respectful it may be.

146 acwgusa  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:21am

When Obama has his middle age crisis, will he buy a sports czar?

147 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:35am

re: #129 Ojoe

A flounce of prevention, I say.

is worth a pound of manure.

148 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:36am

I guess "Racism is bad" isn't the truism I thought it was...

149 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:38am

This totally reminds me of Lord of the Rings where the big Uricai (sic?) is charging the gate with the fuse... and Charles is unleashing arrow after arrow to stop them...A few pop in for a few minutes, then he pulls his stinkhammer to finish them off..

Has the 'right' been reduced to raving Uricai?

150 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:27:56am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

kilgore, these are all swooning dramatic exits(cue the orgastra)now they'll visit the realm of the banned and wax poetic on their brave stand defending the precious standards of the ninteenth century.
these characters are gonna flounce in any thread...it's all premeditated

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:28:04am

These people say they speak for me.

They don't.re: #130 Killgore Trout

My god.

Please tell me that you took your glasses off in a dramatic way when you typed that.

152 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:28:09am

re: #146 acwgusa

When Obama has his middle age crisis, will he buy a sports czar?

Its carbon footprint would have cleats.

153 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:28:20am
and the flouncers ran again
through the oily sea
to plant eggs on shore and be caught
by unemployed drunks
with flopping canvas hats
and no woman at all

/apologies to Charles Bukowski

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:29:01am

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


That was supposed to be one quote. Meant to delete the other one. It was pretty weak.

155 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:29:13am

re: #140 midwestgak

Pres Obama is addressing the AFL-CIO now.

taking credit for "the recovery" I hear

156 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:29:16am

He is praising organized labor. No surprise there.

157 abbyadams  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:30:07am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I agree. There's a bar fairly close to where I live that has signs out in front that has called Obama everything but the N word. The owner thinks he's being so cute about it, too. It's right between two areas - one largely white, and one largely African American. It's not going to end well.

158 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #156 midwestgak

He is praising organized labor. No surprise there.

Organized thuggery labor got him elected. He's thanking his base.

159 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #158 thedopefishlives

absolutely they did alot of heavy lifting.

160 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:25am

re: #116 Charles

Two flounces already!

Don't they know they're supposed to do that on the Powerline thread?

//

161 abbyadams  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:28am

re: #52 funky chicken

But then half the right will deride him for another "teachable moment."

162 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:31am

What really blows my mind is how many consistent flounces per thread there are. How many registered users are there? 25 k +? And this is one, if not THE, most level headed blog out there.

Imagine what it's like when you run the numbers on the whole...

163 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:36am

"Let's remember where we were when I took office." Yes, let's.

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #163 midwestgak

"Let's remember where we were when I took office." Yes, let's.

Did he take credit for keeping unemployment down yet?

165 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:32:39am

re: #78 flyovercountry

Not only was the comment racist, but it is also blatantly wrong. In fact, the opposite is true. President Obama is a typical, run of the mill, limosine liberal. He follows in the tradition of Rockefeller, Kennedy, Edwards, and Kerry. He comes straight from the do as I say, and not as I do school of governance. Those wonderful elites with real wealth behind them telling us to hate high income earners. Making us believe that we need to tax rich people, knowing that in the U.S., wealth is not taxed, but income is.

By the way, I believe that three Presidents during my life time did grow up in low income households. They were Nixon, Ford, and Reagan. I am certain that the able bodied fact checkers on LGF will be able to verify, or disprove.

Hum. Don't know what you are going for here.
You've heard of a "Place called Hope", haven't you?
Clinton was raised lower middle class, and Obama was raised by a single mom and grandparents in a decidedly middle class home.
The presidents you mention above were also solidly middle class.
In fact, it's kind of the other way around, the only two rich from birth presidents were Kennedy and Bush.
Of all the recent presidents, Clinton would be the only one considered from a low income household, though I pretty sure Nixon was pretty blue collar, I seem to remember that he was not raised poor, as in poverty.

166 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:32:57am

Open registration is starting to sound like a skeet shoot.

Pull!

...whuppa ...whuppa ...flounce

Bang!

(Bagged another one!)

167 Sean  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:33:23am

Is it OK to state that I have "Obama Fatigue?"

Although I do like the comment calling Kanye a jackass that was released albeit inappropriately.

168 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:33:40am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did he take credit for keeping unemployment down yet?

well it's less than it would have been.
/

169 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:33:42am

re: #157 abbyadams

I agree. There's a bar fairly close to where I live that has signs out in front that has called Obama everything but the N word. The owner thinks he's being so cute about it, too. It's right between two areas - one largely white, and one largely African American. It's not going to end well.


The silver lining is proof that our education system is working well. Even the stupidest among us can write.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:33:50am

re: #162 Oh no...Sand People!

Mebbe they flounce because they do not want to be civil. Mebbe they are not interested in being level headed...

171 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:33:52am

Seriously, so what if Obama were a muslim. The Founding Fathers did not put a religious requirement for elected officials. We are a secular nation as much as the TheoCons want to deny it.

172 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #143 Noam Sayin'

They're flouncing over this hateful bastard?

Crazy, isn't it?

173 Flyovercountry  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:34:52am

And by the way, what a childish way to flounce. these folks could chose to just not click the mouse ever again, and disappear. Instead, they make the childish decision to throw as public a tantrum as is permitted by the internet, and stomp their virtual feet in the home of their host, angry no doubt that they are no longer universaly agreed with. Get over it wimps! Most of us will have to state our positions reasonably to people who don't nescessarily agree for the rest of our lives. That's what makes this fun.

174 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mebbe they flounce because they do not want to be civil. Mebbe they are not interested in being level headed...

I so don't want to believe that, but reality is reality.

175 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:35:38am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did he take credit for keeping unemployment down yet?

Taking credit for the "Recovery Act" and all it has done for this country.

Berating the top 1% of the wealthy. Again.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #173 Flyovercountry

Can't slam the door on the internetz.

177 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:35:43am

re: #173 Flyovercountry

And by the way, what a childish way to flounce. these folks could chose to just not click the mouse ever again, and disappear. Instead, they make the childish decision to throw as public a tantrum as is permitted by the internet, and stomp their virtual feet in the home of their host, angry no doubt that they are no longer universaly agreed with. Get over it wimps! Most of us will have to state our positions reasonably to people who don't nescessarily agree for the rest of our lives. That's what makes this fun.

What's even funnier is that they do the post, knowing it will be immediately deleted.

178 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #162 Oh no...Sand People!

see my #150,i was lurking last nite,and a few were going on about when they would flounce.It's a childs game to them,all they wish to do is critisise the jihadis,and the left...but be blind to the sick in their own midst.

before commenting on the speck in your neighbors eye remove the beam from your own(the devil quotes scripture)

179 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:36:08am

I'm old enough to remember the race riots of the 60's and I really thought that Obama's election signaled a new era in race relations in this country.

Of course, I thought that "Titanic" was going to bomb at the box office, too.

180 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:36:38am

We've known for a while that there was a racial component to the Tea Parties. I assumed it was relatively minor factor. Looks like I was wrong. This combined with the headlines on Drudge and Malkin about a white student getting beat and the counter Jihad blogs embracing Ethnic nationalism. Pat Buchanan's articles are all over right wing news sites.
Mainstream racism is back. I can't believe what I'm actually seeing here. Not only is it morally reprehensible this is political suicide.

181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:36:40am

re: #177 Lee Coller

What's even funnier is that they do the post, knowing it will be immediately deleted.

I think they think it'll somehow shake Charles's confidence that so many of his dear readers are flouncing. Unfortunately for them, they don't know Charles half as well as they think they do.

182 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:37:01am

re: #179 LoneStarSpur

What new era? Obama said "typical white person."

183 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:37:05am

re: #178 Boondock St. Bender

see my #150,i was lurking last nite,and a few were going on about when they would flounce.It's a childs game to them,all they wish to do is critisise the jihadis,and the left...but be blind to the sick in their own midst.

before commenting on the speck in your neighbors eye remove the beam from your own(the devil quotes scripture)

I swear there is a 'church' somewhere set up and as part of the membership requirement is to have been banned from LGF...

184 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Which are?

How would I know?

Roads, maybe? Sewers? Cops, firefighters, animal control, garbage collection, courts, prisons, defense, schools, air-traffic controllers, the FDA, the CIA, the NSA, NASA, GPS (one of America's free gifts to the world, paid for and maintained by your taxes), maybe eventually Medicare?

re: #90 Charpete67

I'll make it through without them.

Sure you will. Big ole Dan'l Boone, kills his own bars, digs his own latrines, hews his own roads.

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

185 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:37:32am

re: #59 funky chicken

Lions fans have cornered the market on that disguise.

186 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:37:58am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Time to join the Whigs ?

187 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:03am

re: #84 Uncle Meat

I consider myself a lefty but not lefty enough for the H. Chavez loving idiots that inhabit most of my would-be peers blogs. I always find myself reading this blog even though I am politically at a different end of the spectrum. My watershed moment was attending an anti-war rally and seeing hammer and sickles on t-shirts and signs, open communists with their leaflets, etc. This disgusted me and I'm glad to see that the other side of the fence is disgusted as well by their own rallies and the political opportunists who take advantage of these people. Thanks for the blog, Charles.

Welcome.
I'm pretty much with you there... center left, center right, whatever you want to call it.

188 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:07am

re: #179 LoneStarSpur

Me too. Between people on the right explointing the based, racist tendencies of some. The people on the left labeling any criticism of Obama as racially motivated. This is not looking good. We need grown ups to take charge.

189 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #113 Ojoe

Cask of Amontillado Party.

Did someone say Cask of Amontillado?

190 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:40am

re: #113 Ojoe

Cask of Amontillado Party.

For the love of God, Montressor!

191 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:47am

I know a few people who went to DC and, personally, I think that most of the folks there (and at most tea parties) are decent, hardworking and really fed up people. And racist nut jobs like this try to use the anti-big government tide to push their tripe and try recruiting the feeble minded (of which there are plenty on all sides, apparently). I have no doubt that there are people there who can't stand a black president and want to stoke the flames, but I also think that there is no interest, on the medias part, to portray the entire movement as anything other than a bunch of racist fringe kooks. The reports I got from the people I know who went were very positive. I also think there is a lot of disgust with Republicans as well, people are sick of professional politicians who only care about the purse strings instead of representing their constituents. Case-in-point, the stimulus plan was passed even after constituent calls were running something like 10-1 against passing it.

192 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:38:48am

re: #184 Cato the Elder

Sure you will. Big ole Dan'l Boone, kills his own bars, digs his own latrines, hews his own roads.

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

yep...gonna git me a shovel and shit in a hole...

193 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:15am

"Labor is not the problem, it's part of the solution."

194 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:16am

Charles must buy Girl Scout Martyr Cookies by the case.

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:24am

re: #186 Ojoe

Time to join the Whigs ?

Possibly. The Republican party may not be viable for much longer. I can't believe what I'm seeing.

196 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #184 Cato the Elder

Sure you will. Big ole Dan'l Boone, kills his own bars, digs his own latrines, hews his own roads.

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

Speak for yourself...
/hehe.

197 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:27am

I wish to repeat that I will never flounce! My work as a Lord of Remulak is progressing too well here...

In just a short period of time, I have collected a group of trustees from your species who will reap the benefits of service to Intergalactic Zionism...

On the pleasure planet Playtex, you will have the opportunity to have unlimited bagels and the chance to date women from the IDF. If they like you, they may not shoot you even!

For the Lady Lizards, well, the male parts of the IDF are very welcoming...

This and your intergalactic Zionist paystubs are your ticket to a better life.

The more that we hide Obama's secret communist resurgent agenda the closer our plans come to fruition...

The more that we discredit those brave Americans at the tea parties and make them look insane (we helped a little with some chem trials, and to think that they claim they don't like LSD... ahhh the irony) the more easy it will be to take over!

Do you remember that movie with Rowdy Roddy Piper about seeing the aliens amongst you - but it was only those "salt of the Earth types" who could see? We planted that years ago... We knew this would happen and we have been carefully laying the memes to discredit such people for years...

But you know full well what the score is... You will be basking in bagel goodness, when not getting shot at by a Jewish girl you leered at too much...

:)

198 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #191 Ziggy

And racist nut jobs like this try to use the anti-big government tide to push their tripe and try recruiting the feeble minded (of which there are plenty on all sides, apparently).


This guy is one of the leaders.

199 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:21am

re: #194 DaddyG

Charles must buy Girl Scout Martyr Cookies by the case.

I would kill for a samoa right now...

200 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:37am

Obama is not hitler. And I have no problem with a Black president. But I do have some problems with his job performance. And here is one of the biggest:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

201 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:43am

re: #199 Oh no...Sand People!

I would kill for a samoa right now...

Thin Mints, from the freezer.

Heaven.

202 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #157 abbyadams

I agree. There's a bar fairly close to where I live that has signs out in front that has called Obama everything but the N word. The owner thinks he's being so cute about it, too. It's right between two areas - one largely white, and one largely African American. It's not going to end well.

Unless and until uncivilized people realize that their barbarism has consequences, we'll see more and more of this crap. Crying "fire" in a crowded theatre (claiming racism where none exists) is only slightly less dangerous than lighting a fire in that same theater, and saying "it's a joke."

203 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #167 Sean

Is it OK to state that I have "Obama Fatigue?"

Although I do like the comment calling Kanye a jackass that was released albeit inappropriately.

Absolutely, heck, you can yell back at the TV when he's on if you like, that's all that kept me sane for 8 years of Bush. Funny thing, now that he's back in Texas, I can better see some more of the good in him than I felt with my emotions out of control when he was POTUS. I get some of the rage on the right, because I once felt as powerless as some do now.

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:01am

re: #143 Noam Sayin'

They're flouncing over this hateful bastard?

The hate site has been boasting about socks lately a lot. They have a sekrit plan to flounce a lot, to make it look like lots of people are tired of this blog...

Expect many flounces for the next couple of months until they are flushed.

205 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:03am

re: #184 Cato the Elder

Sure you will. Big ole Dan'l Boone, kills his own bars, digs his own latrines, hews his own roads.

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

BTW...I like your list...if that was all the gov did...I'd be fine. What I don't want is corporate bail out's or universal health care or cap and trade or etc...

206 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:08am

re: #134 lawhawk

We've got a race of flounces on this thread (kinda like a murder of ravens or gaggle of geese).

You had to mention ravens.

207 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #173 Flyovercountry

And by the way, what a childish way to flounce. these folks could chose to just not click the mouse ever again, and disappear. Instead, they make the childish decision to throw as public a tantrum as is permitted by the internet, and stomp their virtual feet in the home of their host, angry no doubt that they are no longer universaly agreed with. Get over it wimps! Most of us will have to state our positions reasonably to people who don't nescessarily agree for the rest of our lives. That's what makes this fun.

They need to show their deleted post to get the street cred at LGF2, I guess.

I'll say that even if I left LGF, I wouldn't go there, because I have better things to do than put down a blog and its owner. I'd do what you said - just not post.

208 saberry0530  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:23am

re: #199 Oh no...Sand People!

I would kill for a samoa right now...

I have 2 cases left over from last year. Nic is blue if ya want em.

209 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:31am

"Health care can't wait."

210 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #209 midwestgak

"Health care can't wait."

...yes it can...

211 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:41:51am

re: #184 Cato the Elder

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

Maybe he doesn't exist in your cynical world. I know a lot of them.

212 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:42:19am

"I want to see jobs created across the country in every industry"


Then how about CUTTING the corporate tax rate?

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:42:29am

re: #209 midwestgak

"Health care can't wait."

Unions have health care, correct?

214 Flyovercountry  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:42:35am

re: #165 doubter4444

Hum. Don't know what you are going for here.
You've heard of a "Place called Hope", haven't you?
Clinton was raised lower middle class, and Obama was raised by a single mom and grandparents in a decidedly middle class home.
The presidents you mention above were also solidly middle class.
In fact, it's kind of the other way around, the only two rich from birth presidents were Kennedy and Bush.
Of all the recent presidents, Clinton would be the only one considered from a low income household, though I pretty sure Nixon was pretty blue collar, I seem to remember that he was not raised poor, as in poverty.

I guess they didn't teach history in your high school. Ford was the only one I wasn't certain of. Nixon grew up in abject poverty, Reagan also. Both were childhood laborers. Neither had a job which would be allowed under today's child labor laws. What I was going for, was pointing out that President's who are sometimes viewed as puppets of the wealthy, are the very same people who did not come from that strata of society. Sometimes, those viewed as the great protectors of the poor, are the people who come from the same strata of society they are baiting us to be against.

215 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #205 Charpete67

BTW...I like your list...if that was all the gov did...I'd be fine. What I don't want is corporate bail out's or universal health care or cap and trade or etc...

Oh come on...funding foreign abortions doesn't make you smile?

216 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:20am

Drudge is still sticking with his headline even though it doesn't match the article he links to. WTF is he thinking?

217 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why yes they do...usually good ones.paid out of pocket.

218 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:38am

re: #208 saberry0530

I have 2 cases left over from last year. Nic is blue if ya want em.

Well, I am here in the philippines or else I would take you up on the your offer in a New York minute.

219 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:41am

Crowd is chanting. "We can't wait." We can't wait."

220 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #191 Ziggy

Good post. But it time that the reasonable people speak up. I am starting by showing my friends that Geller hurts their cause more than aid it. I hope I don't lose some friends over this. But I have had enough.

221 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:43:48am

Charles have you seen this!

Mark Williams racist quotes:

Mark Williams on Katrina from CNN interview

"And these people you saw at the convention center, the people who were trapped there, trapped -- I`m using that word very loosely -- are screaming, "We want help, we want help" for four or five days. Yet they didn`t bother even trying to help themselves."

About Kanye West...

"...this guy is a Klansman in black face."

Mark's Anti-Filipino hate mongering

Williams closed the show by giving an "award" to the Philippines for pulling out of Iraq. The piece contained backgrounds sounds of crowing chickens and insinuations that Filipinos were monkeys.

Be forewarned that the above link has a secondary link to ANSWER. However since this is an anti-idiotarian endeavor facts will be facts.

222 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:44:14am

re: #177 Lee Coller

What's even funnier is that they do the post, knowing it will be immediately deleted.

But then they have the deleted post, and their nic shows up as blocked, that they can take to their new buddies at lgf2, to show how cool they are.

Why they write a long screed instead of the couple of words it would take to be banned, though, is beyond me.
Maybe they have the lgf2 crowd watching for it, so they can see it for the short time it is up, and then watch it get destroyed.
There is something wrong with that.

223 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:44:31am

GGGAAAHHH

"We'll build the middle class by STRONGER LABOR UNIONS"!!

Tell Chrysler and GM how stronger labor unions are working out for them!

224 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:44:40am

re: #219 midwestgak

Crowd is chanting. "We can't wait." We can't wait."

sounds like my kids in the car after they have too much to drink on a road trip...

225 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:44:59am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Drudge is still sticking with his headline even though it doesn't match the article he links to. WTF is he thinking?

He isn't. He's engaging in the same kind of media bias that the rest of the media does - ignoring facts or inventing them. The result is the same - an ill informed public.

226 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:45:05am

re: #205 Charpete67

BTW...I like your list...if that was all the gov did...I'd be fine. What I don't want is corporate bail out's or universal health care or cap and trade or etc...

You don't get to choose, though. That's what representative government is about.

California has a kind of direct voter control over taxes and it's killed the state - because though you can't pass a tax hike there without a referendum, everybody wants the services.

And I'll be you there are plenty of people who don't think it's worth their money to launch and maintain all those GPS satellites just so lazy basterds like me don't have to plan their trips using maps anymore.

227 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #225 lawhawk

He isn't. He's engaging in the same kind of media bias that the rest of the media does - ignoring facts or inventing them. The result is the same - an ill informed public.

And an ill informed public is how we ended up in the current political disaster to begin with.

228 drcordell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:45:45am

Gotta love watching him flail around spinning a corporate-funded protest as an example of grassroots outrage against moneyed interests. Nothing sadder than watching these peasants toil away carrying the water of their masters while simultaneously loving themselves for it.

229 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:46:13am

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish to repeat that I will never flounce! My work as a Lord of Remulak is progressing too well here...

In just a short period of time, I have collected a group of trustees from your species who will reap the benefits of service to Intergalactic Zionism...

On the pleasure planet Playtex, you will have the opportunity to have unlimited bagels and the chance to date women from the IDF. If they like you, they may not shoot you even!

For the Lady Lizards, well, the male parts of the IDF are very welcoming...

This and your intergalactic Zionist paystubs are your ticket to a better life.

The more that we hide Obama's secret communist resurgent agenda the closer our plans come to fruition...

The more that we discredit those brave Americans at the tea parties and make them look insane (we helped a little with some chem trials, and to think that they claim they don't like LSD... ahhh the irony) the more easy it will be to take over!

Do you remember that movie with Rowdy Roddy Piper about seeing the aliens amongst you - but it was only those "salt of the Earth types" who could see? We planted that years ago... We knew this would happen and we have been carefully laying the memes to discredit such people for years...

But you know full well what the score is... You will be basking in bagel goodness, when not getting shot at by a Jewish girl you leered at too much...

:)

Is this what the Google Canada crop circles are about?
///

230 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

You don't get to choose, though. That's what representative government is about.

California has a kind of direct voter control over taxes and it's killed the state - because though you can't pass a tax hike there without a referendum, everybody wants the services.

And I'll be you there are plenty of people who don't think it's worth their money to launch and maintain all those GPS satellites just so lazy basterds like me don't have to plan their trips using maps anymore.

Stop making so much sense... Do you mean to tell me there ain't no such thing as a free lunch?

231 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:15am

"This will just be an option."

232 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:15am

re: #225 lawhawk

This is really bad. The race baiting is bad enough but how long is he going to link to an article that doesn't support his headline?

233 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:29am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

We've known for a while that there was a racial component to the Tea Parties. I assumed it was relatively minor factor. Looks like I was wrong. This combined with the headlines on Drudge and Malkin about a white student getting beat and the counter Jihad blogs embracing Ethnic nationalism. Pat Buchanan's articles are all over right wing news sites.
Mainstream racism is back. I can't believe what I'm actually seeing here. Not only is it morally reprehensible this is political suicide.

Why would you expect anything else since perhaps 10-15% of the country would not vote for a black POTUS, and most of those were on the right ? The bigots are a small minority, but they are a vocal minority.
In their hearts, they just can't accept a black man in charge, and are convinced no good can come of it. Having said that, the vast majority on the right object to Obama's policies and not his skin color.

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:45am

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

Is this what the Google Canada crop circles are about?
///

No that was a prank by some drunk Yeshiva boys who stole a saucer... They have been disciplined for that and unsanctioned probings.

235 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

Stop making so much sense...

236 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:47:53am

"We'll limit out of pocket expense"

SO ,,,then the insurance company will have to make up the shortfall

MEANING ,,you're premiums will be higher

Someone send this Admin an ECON 101 book!

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:08am

I went to predominantly black public schools growing up. I was small, and school was a tremendous struggle. I was picked on by white and black kids alike, and often.

I hate bullies. All races. All sizes. Period.

That thing on Drudge makes me sick.

238 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:09am

Blaming Bush.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he has it at the top of the page in bold capital letters. They are stoking some very bad fires.
Seriously, this is a fight between high school kids. Do people not remember what it was like in high school? This happens a couple times a day at every school across the country.

Not at MY school it doesn't. We average a couple fights a year.

But your point is taken.

240 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

You don't get to choose, though. That's what representative government is about.

California has a kind of direct voter control over taxes and it's killed the state - because though you can't pass a tax hike there without a referendum, everybody wants the services.

And I'll be you there are plenty of people who don't think it's worth their money to launch and maintain all those GPS satellites just so lazy basterds like me don't have to plan their trips using maps anymore.

correct...I don't have line item veto...but I do have an opinion about what the gov should be spending their money on...as you said...more services...more taxes...I already pay enough.

241 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:21am

re: #211 experiencedtraveller

Maybe he doesn't exist in your cynical world. I know a lot of them.

Right. Created their own worlds, they did. No help from family, friends, schools, society at large, infrastructure, facilities, social capital (look that one up), goodwill, patience, human kindness or (gasp!) anything at all to do with any semblance of "gubmint".

John Galts, all of them.

Baloney.

242 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:28am

re: #206 lurking faith

Ick. My apologies for whatever the heck song was tacked on at the end of my link; that is NOT part of The Raven. And it's very un-Poe-like.

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #238 midwestgak

Blaming Bush.

Par for the course.

244 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Drudge is still sticking with his headline even though it doesn't match the article he links to. WTF is he thinking?

More page views !

245 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #238 midwestgak

Blaming Bush.

Damn! Is it still his fault?

246 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:20am

"Time to give every American the opportunites Congress has"

GOODY ,,, free mail
free gym
unlimited staff

FREE STUFF!

247 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:28am

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I didn't think there were any leaders. Each rally has an organizer, I guess, but I never heard of this kook. I can only speak for me, I sympathize completely with those who have contempt for the political class, sick of big government and want to be left alone. Having said that, I would NEVER choose to associate with loons like this. I really think jerks like this are not the majority. Surely there will be a fair share of A-holes in a crowd that size. Again, I don't think the MSM has any interest in interviewing sane people.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:36am

re: #242 lurking faith

On Youtube there is a "Raven" read by Christopher Walken.

Fantastic.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:49:46am

re: #53 Alouette

I do not give a shit what is on Stormfront. I think you need to reassess why you think you need to visit that site on a regular basis.

I like to keep an eye on what they're up to, and honestly, I'd rather Killgore go than me.

250 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #245 Guanxi88

Damn! Is it still his fault?

It will be his fault until things turn around...

251 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:04am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

I'm sure he has a set number of hit counts in mind.

252 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:05am

Attacking insurance companies. Again.

253 Uncle Meat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:07am

re: #103 Sharmuta

Thanks, Sharmuta. Glad to be here.

254 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:22am

"The public option would just be an option"

And a duck is just a duck


WTF!

255 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:26am

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Right. Created their own worlds, they did. No help from family, friends, schools, society at large, infrastructure, facilities, social capital (look that one up), goodwill, patience, human kindness or (gasp!) anything at all to do with any semblance of "gubmint".

John Galts, all of them.

Baloney.

Sorry cynic. You don't define the terms with me. Good try, tho.

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:50:54am

re: #253 Uncle Meat

You that guy from "Bachelor Party"?

257 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:51:19am

re: #252 midwestgak

Attacking insurance companies. Again.

they suck...if only they were bloated, inefficient and bankrupt bureaucracies like the post office.

258 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:51:37am

re: #255 experiencedtraveller

Sorry cynic. You don't define the terms with me. Good try, tho.

So, Credulous, define "self-made, independent man" for me.

259 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:51:54am

"we will not pay for healthcare reform by adding to the deficit"
Dare I quote Rep Wilson?!?!?

260 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #258 Cato the Elder

So, Credulous, define "self-made, independent man" for me.

...I thought I was that definition...

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:52:37am

re: #72 Kosh's Shadow

You mean burkhas that are above the ankle? No wonder they attacked!
///

For some reason, the photo I remember most vividly coming out of Afghanistan after the Taliban lost Kabul was one of a woman on the street. American press was full of the image of women 'throwing off their burkas', but this woman was still wearing hers, and had her face covered. What she'd done, though, was shorten it to mid-calf, to show off her feet in white heeled sandals, with nail polish.

It was very cute. I hope she's OK.

262 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:52:38am

re: #259 sattv4u2

maybe they'll use witchcraft...

263 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:52:49am

"Are you fired up?"

264 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:53:21am

Racism is decidedly not mainstream.

The web and blogs in particular have given everyone their own publishing house and 15 minutes of fame. This includes the good, the bad and the stupid. However Mr. and Mrs. main street do not share the views of the extremists to whom race is devisive.

As long as there is evil the differences between people will be used to put a wedge in between them or deny life, liberty and the persuit of happiness. But this is not mainstream America...

People died to end race based slavery in our country.

People died to end race based quotas and discriminatory practices.

People have put their lives and livlihood on the line to insure others are judged by the content of their hearts and minds not the color of their skin.

People are dying right now to insure those freedoms are available to other citizens of other countries.

Racism is no where near mainstream.

265 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:53:27am

re: #263 midwestgak

"Are you fired up?"

If fired up means pissed off,,, YES! Yes I am !

266 mikalm  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:53:36am

Per the sweeping-exits above: an amusing definition of "flounce"

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:53:40am

re: #78 flyovercountry

Not only was the comment racist, but it is also blatantly wrong. In fact, the opposite is true. President Obama is a typical, run of the mill, limosine liberal. He follows in the tradition of Rockefeller, Kennedy, Edwards, and Kerry. He comes straight from the do as I say, and not as I do school of governance. Those wonderful elites with real wealth behind them telling us to hate high income earners. Making us believe that we need to tax rich people, knowing that in the U.S., wealth is not taxed, but income is.

By the way, I believe that three Presidents during my life time did grow up in low income households. They were Nixon, Ford, and Reagan. I am certain that the able bodied fact checkers on LGF will be able to verify, or disprove.

Bill Clinton as well, I believe.

268 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #235 Guanxi88

[Video]

OH yeah!

SO let me explain why it is that we, the Zionist Lords of Remulak are taking over your planet...

This is actually a true story about how my cousin Sheckie met his beshert...

269 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:54:02am
270 abbyadams  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #84 Uncle Meat

Agreed. I know I lean left more than some of the other people here, but I come here because it gives me hope for true conservativism to rise again. When half of the scale is broken, the whole scale doesn't function.

271 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

It's all backlash. The inmates are running the asylum because of no leadership on either side of the aisle. Sharpton and his ilk got away and made a handsome sum fanning the racism flames and somehow they were considered mainstream by the public and got away with it, whereas David Duke, Buchanan are considered nutjobs.

The press is more than willing to paint the picture of dissent against this sitting black president as a bunch of violent, anti-Semitic, racist, radical, tobacco-chewing, AK toting, wife-beating, dog-kicking, red-neck, trailer park trash, welfare receiving, pregnant assholes. The press is half-right due to the lack of the opposition party voicing concern over these posse comitatis dickheads. Useful idiots.

Where does a sane person who whole-heartedly disagrees with the president and wonders which of his policies are going to flush the USA down the proverbial toilet first; voice his opposition?

On that note, Eric Holder not prosecuting the thugs in Philly voting station and the lack of concern over ACORN endorsing underage prostitution sends a bad message.

272 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:54:44am

re: #252 midwestgak

Attacking insurance companies. Again.

He's in full campaign though, halfway through the speak I was ready to start a union. :)

273 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:54:58am

re: #270 abbyadams

It will.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:55:01am

re: #86 Cato the Elder

The name "Tea Party" is forever discredited. Come up with something else.

Coffee Klatsch? No. people who are worried about czars will freak about the German, and even I think it's little too close to 'putsch'.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:55:01am

re: #269 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Patrick Swayze died.

Again?

276 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:55:14am

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On Youtube there is a "Raven" read by Christopher Walken.

Fantastic.

"Quoth the raven, 'More cowbell!'"

277 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #220 Chekote

Good post. But it time that the reasonable people speak up. I am starting by showing my friends that Geller hurts their cause more than aid it. I hope I don't lose some friends over this. But I have had enough.

Absolutely right. I would rather lose a "friend" than hurt a legitimate movement that I think is necessary at this time. The truth is essential. I don't always agree with Charles, but I was a big fan of Robert Spencer back in the day before he was exposed by the light.

278 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:55:39am

re: #272 avanti

He's in full campaign though, halfway through the speak I was ready to start a union. :)

Ah, so there's another speech going on. Was wondering what some of the single comments were about.

279 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

Again?

I guess I missed the first time...?

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:56:27am

re: #105 Gus 802

Sounds like a fight on a school bus to me.

281 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:56:36am

re: #258 Cato the Elder

So, Credulous, define "self-made, independent man" for me.

Simple example: Someone who creates his own company that struggles at first, but he perseveres. His company is successful, grows and is able to employ thousands of people.

282 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:57:03am

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like a fight on a school bus to me.

Yes it does. Been there done that. On both sides so to speak.

283 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:57:35am

re: #270 abbyadams

Agreed. I know I lean left more than some of the other people here, but I come here because it gives me hope for true conservativism to rise again. When half of the scale is broken, the whole scale doesn't function.

As another leftie, that's the manta I've been repeating since I joined LGF. I've said before, with conservatives, not much would change, with liberals, too much might.

284 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:57:51am

re: #278 Gus 802

Ah, so there's another speech going on. Was wondering what some of the single comments were about.

The President was speaking in front of an AFL/CIO meeting

285 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:57:51am

re: #214 Flyovercountry

I guess they didn't teach history in your high school. Ford was the only one I wasn't certain of. Nixon grew up in abject poverty, Reagan also. Both were childhood laborers. Neither had a job which would be allowed under today's child labor laws. What I was going for, was pointing out that President's who are sometimes viewed as puppets of the wealthy, are the very same people who did not come from that strata of society. Sometimes, those viewed as the great protectors of the poor, are the people who come from the same strata of society they are baiting us to be against.


Ford did not grow up poor, but he worked his way through college and law school. (He was offered NFL contracts, but turned them down to pursue a legal career. Of course, in those days the NFL didn't pay its players the way it does now.)

286 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #282 Gus 802

Yes it does. Been there done that. On both sides so to speak.

No need to take my lunch money, I have a sandwich for you to dine on right here...a knuckle sandwich...

287 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #258 Cato the Elder

So, Credulous, define "self-made, independent man" for me.

Why, a capacity to determine your own choices within a moral framework. Of course.

288 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:21am

donnie dumphy: Flat Out

289 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #284 sattv4u2

The President was speaking in front of an AFL/CIO meeting

The Speech du jour

What's tomorrow's speech about?

290 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:25am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Drudge is still sticking with his headline even though it doesn't match the article he links to. WTF is he thinking?

He's trying to pass on the meme of victimization.

291 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #277 Ziggy

Spencer and Geller are preying on people's legitimate concern over radical Islam, terrorism. They have wrapped themselves so tightly in the just cause of fighting Jihadists that when you criticize them their supporters think you are supporting AQ. Very difficult situation to handle.

292 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #281 greygandalf

Simple example: Someone who creates his own company that struggles at first, but he perseveres. His company is successful, grows and is able to employ thousands of people.

no...that is an example of someone who exploited the poor working man and raped the planet...there is no good to be found in capitalism and hard work.../

293 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:59:08am

re: #281 greygandalf

Simple example: Someone who creates his own company that struggles at first, but he perseveres. His company is successful, grows and is able to employ thousands of people.

But then the cynical will say,

"Yeah, but did he have any financing from anyone? Where did he get his start up capital? Did he smelt his own iron for the tools that he made? Did he plant his own crops for the food he consumed during the project?" ad infinitum...

294 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:59:09am

re: #266 mikalm

Per the sweeping-exits above: an amusing definition of "flounce"


Whoa! Some NSFW adds attached to that one. Careful.

295 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:59:14am

re: #278 Gus 802

Ah, so there's another speech going on. Was wondering what some of the single comments were about.

Addressing union members in rare, fired up Obama form. Maybe the lunch with Clinton fired him up.

296 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #295 avanti

Addressing union members in rare, fired up Obama form. Maybe the lunch with Clinton fired him up.

maybe he had Thai food...that always gets me going...

297 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:22am

Another flounce in the 'Massive Fail' thread.

(For bonus flounce points, include "Chucky" in your comment.)

I always get a kick out of people who think calling me "Chucky" is going to inflict devastating psychological damage upon me.

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #294 DaddyG

Whoa! Some NSFW adds attached to that one. Careful.


I didn't look at the ads 'til you said that. Thanks.

299 mikalm  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #294 DaddyG

Whoa! Some NSFW adds attached to that one. Careful.

Damn -- I didn't get any on mine, possibly because I've got pop-ups blocked. Sorry about that.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #184 Cato the Elder

Sure you will. Big ole Dan'l Boone, kills his own bars, digs his own latrines, hews his own roads.

The "self-made, independent" man does not exist.

He may, but I suspect he's not posting here. Yak fell off the mountain again.

301 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:52am

re: #296 Charpete67

maybe he had Thai food...that always gets me going...

Umm, Thai food, now you've made me hungry.

302 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #295 avanti

Addressing union members in rare, fired up Obama form. Maybe the lunch with Clinton fired him up.

Nothing like preaching to the choir to get that old tyme religion back, eh? I would guess many "Amems" were uttered.

303 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #295 avanti

Addressing union members in rare, fired up Obama form. Maybe the lunch with Clinton fired him up.

I was imaging Obama showing up unannounced at the 912dc event. Have him choppered in. That would have been a hoot!

304 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #289 Desert Dog

The Speech du jour

What's tomorrow's speech about?

Hope and Change!

(and blame the past administration)

305 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:01:27am

re: #301 avanti

Umm, Thai food, now you've made me hungry.

...that's so upscale Homer Simpson...

306 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:01:40am

re: #222 Kosh's Shadow

But then they have the deleted post, and their nic shows up as blocked, that they can take to their new buddies at lgf2, to show how cool they are.

Why they write a long screed instead of the couple of words it would take to be banned, though, is beyond me.
Maybe they have the lgf2 crowd watching for it, so they can see it for the short time it is up, and then watch it get destroyed.
There is something wrong with that.

Sort of like virtual verbal snuff pr0n?

Yeah, it is pretty sick.

307 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:01:58am

Here's a local story about another brilliant tea party protestor:

[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]

308 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #304 sattv4u2

Hope and Change!

(and blame the past administration)

It's on a loop then...continuously playing

309 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:02:45am

And now we have an anti-vaxer in the Steve Novella thread.

310 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:02:46am

re: #295 avanti

Addressing union members in rare, fired up Obama form. Maybe the lunch with Clinton fired him up.

He bailed out the auto companies, many of those job wouldn't exist right now if not for Obama's involvement. He's their hero literally.

311 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:02:49am

Donnie has a new video...
Cry Tunes

He's been pretty busy.

312 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:03:08am

re: #308 Desert Dog

It's on a loop then...continuously playing

...damn prompter's stuck...

313 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:03:36am

re: #307 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here's a local story about another brilliant tea party protestor:

[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]

And because of that, the tavern will double its business...

314 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #302 Desert Dog

Nothing like preaching to the choir to get that old tyme religion back, eh? I would guess many "Amems" were uttered.

No, but a few "I Love you's" No question he feeds on a friendly crowd, as would anyone.

315 irish rose  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:04:05am

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

316 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #311 Killgore Trout

Genius!

317 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #310 greygandalf

He bailed out the auto companies, many of those job wouldn't exist right now if not for Obama's involvement. He's their hero literally.

He saved their bacon. If GM and Chrysler had followed what ever other company in their position has to follow, the UAW would have been greatly diminished, or the two companies would have just stopped all operations and folded. By Obama coming in, he guaranteed the UAW will have significant power in the foreseeable future. Santa Claus always get a warm welcome from the kiddies...except in Philly, during an Eagles game.

318 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:05:46am

re: #310 greygandalf

He bailed out the auto companies UAW, many of those job wouldn't exist right now if not for Obama's involvement. He's their hero literally.

Fixed

319 mikalm  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:05:51am

bbl

320 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:05:52am

re: #309 Charles

And now we have an anti-vaxer in the Steve Novella thread.

I'd go mock him, but I avoid anti-vaxers during flu season.

321 cliffster  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:06:11am

Dammit, I was listening to Patty Griffin on Pandora and I turned it off to watch this video. I want Patty, and those 4 minutes, back.

322 irish rose  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:06:14am

re: #315 irish rose

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

...the SIOA website calls for "every protest of this takiya-jihad-dawa event... [to] include some component of donkey, dog, and women." The reason for this unusual suggestion is made clear on the SIOA site as well: Muslim doctrine, according to the SIOA, says that "Islamic prayer is nullified if a dog, a woman, or a donkey are present."

Spencer and Geller have lost their minds.

323 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:06:36am

re: #291 Chekote

Agreed. It seems our choices are either PC apologists or xenophobic extremists. Pick your poison. It's the same with politics, the Dems are too far left and I can't relate to republicans.

324 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:07:13am

re: #266 mikalm

Oh my! From that Encyclopedia Dramatica Wiki site, I was able to find an acronym that I'm going to have to use every time I think I'm losing an argument!

FYIAD!

I can't stop laughing at the absurdity of that.

325 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #323 Ziggy

Agreed. It seems our choices are either PC apologists or xenophobic extremists. Pick your poison. It's the same with politics, the Dems are too far left and I can't relate to republicans.

New Whig party plug in 3... 2... 1...

(Not that it's a bad thing...)

326 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish to repeat that I will never flounce! My work as a Lord of Remulak is progressing too well here...

In just a short period of time, I have collected a group of trustees from your species who will reap the benefits of service to Intergalactic Zionism...

On the pleasure planet Playtex, you will have the opportunity to have unlimited bagels and the chance to date women from the IDF. If they like you, they may not shoot you even!

For the Lady Lizards, well, the male parts of the IDF are very welcoming...

This and your intergalactic Zionist paystubs are your ticket to a better life.

The more that we hide Obama's secret communist resurgent agenda the closer our plans come to fruition...

The more that we discredit those brave Americans at the tea parties and make them look insane (we helped a little with some chem trials, and to think that they claim they don't like LSD... ahhh the irony) the more easy it will be to take over!

Do you remember that movie with Rowdy Roddy Piper about seeing the aliens amongst you - but it was only those "salt of the Earth types" who could see? We planted that years ago... We knew this would happen and we have been carefully laying the memes to discredit such people for years...

But you know full well what the score is... You will be basking in bagel goodness, when not getting shot at by a Jewish girl you leered at too much...

:)


Everything sounds wonderful oh master of the Galaxy...Except Bagels
I'd rather sit in Gitmo for a week than eat a bagel..
/Hi Ludwig!

327 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:08:37am

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them

328 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:08:50am

re: #315 irish rose

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

What on earth?

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:08:55am

re: #293 Oh no...Sand People!

But then the cynical will say,

"Yeah, but did he have any financing from anyone? Where did he get his start up capital? Did he smelt his own iron for the tools that he made? Did he plant his own crops for the food he consumed during the project?" ad infinitum...

And those are reasonable questions. It doesn't take away from achievement to point out that it takes place in a larger context.

330 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #322 irish rose

...the SIOA website calls for "every protest of this takiya-jihad-dawa event... [to] include some component of donkey, dog, and women." The reason for this unusual suggestion is made clear on the SIOA site as well: Muslim doctrine, according to the SIOA, says that "Islamic prayer is nullified if a dog, a woman, or a donkey are present."

Spencer and Geller have lost their minds.

Just have everywhere wear one of these: bacon suit

331 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:09:44am

re: #315 irish rose

They really seem to think America's about to be taken over.

And they link to Lionheart, a BNP thug, and Gates of Vienna, where they rhapsodize about expelling and/or killing all Muslims in Western countries.

Pure hate speech and raving paranoia. It's the dead end of the anti-jihad blogs.

332 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:10:24am

re: #96 Guanxi88

Might I suggest that we demonstrate our disapproval during nationally-designated days for these purposes, and maybe even use the days selected within the several states for this same purpose?

Election Day, people. That's the only one that counts. Everything else is just spectacle.

Which is what I tell my daily contribution seeker from the RNC. Provide me with character candidates that can
a) keep their word
b) keep their greed in check
c) keep their libido in check
d) stick to principles and not platitudes

333 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:10:36am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them

Maybe he thought is said REFUND them?

334 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #333 Desert Dog

Maybe he thought is said REFUND them?

I have lots of links thru google, but non so far show me the actual vote

335 Danny  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Genius!

This would be a documentary where I live.

336 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:14am

re: #332 CommonCents

Which is what I tell my daily contribution seeker from the RNC. Provide me with character candidates that can
a) keep their word
b) keep their greed in check
c) keep their libido in check
d) stick to principles and not platitudes

Good luck with that one...from either party

337 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:21am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them

Here it is.

338 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #297 Charles

Another flounce in the 'Massive Fail' thread.

(For bonus flounce points, include "Chucky" in your comment.)

I always get a kick out of people who think calling me "Chucky" is going to inflict devastating psychological damage upon me.

There's only one 'Chucky'. He's on Monday Night Football this year. Gruden! Gruden! Gruden!

339 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:46am

re: #336 Desert Dog

Good luck with that one...from either party

I can dream, can't I?

340 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:11:48am

re: #326 HoosierHoops

Everything sounds wonderful oh master of the Galaxy...Except Bagels
I'd rather sit in Gitmo for a week than eat a bagel..
/Hi Ludwig!

You will eat gefilte fish.

341 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:19am

re: #281 greygandalf

Simple example: Someone who creates his own company that struggles at first, but he perseveres. His company is successful, grows and is able to employ thousands of people.

The only reason "he" was able to create a company is because there exists a structure within which to create one. That is perhaps "self-actuated", but not "self-made". As for independent, someone who sells goods or services is more dependent on society than any other person. No customers? No company. No independence. Ask anyone who ever tried to sell ice to Eskimos.

"Going Galt" is a fun idea, but I don't think there's a person or company in the world that could do it and a) be missed or b) not be replaced.

re: #287 experiencedtraveller

Why, a capacity to determine your own choices within a moral framework. Of course.

Gobbledygook. You don't "determine" choices - your choices exist outside yourself or your moral framework (whatever the hell that is). You make choices among the available options.

And you cannot choose to make yourself or exist independently of reality, a large component of which is society.

If you can't show me anything better than that content-free definition, you don't know any self-made, independent men, as you claim to do. Because they do not exist.

342 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:22am

re: #340 Alouette

You will eat gefilte fish.

Lox! I'm all for lox.

343 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:44am

re: #333 Desert Dog

re: #334 sattv4u2

I have lots of links thru google, but non so far show me the actual vote

Found it ,,,
[Link: www.senate.gov...]

344 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them

From the massive fail thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:53am

re: #315 irish rose

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

Those goddamn, pretentious, fucking bigots.

And with a mikvah calender site ad blinking at the top, no less.

AAAHHH!

346 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #309 Charles

And now we have an anti-vaxer in the Steve Novella thread.

He's incapable of forming a well-structured sentence. I doubt he'd respond to reasoned debate.

347 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:07am

re: #341 Cato the Elder

Gobbledygook. You don't "determine" choices - your choices exist outside yourself or your moral framework (whatever the hell that is). You make choices among the available options.

And you cannot choose to make yourself or exist independently of reality, a large component of which is society.

If you can't show me anything better than that content-free definition, you don't know any self-made, independent men, as you claim to do. Because they do not exist.

A trick question! No fair!
/

348 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #333 Desert Dog

Maybe he thought is said REFUND them?

I don' think it moves anything forward to put down people you don't care for when they do things you would otherwise support.

349 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:24am

As much as I dislike to admit it, I am embarrassed to think of myself as a right-winger. Disgraceful.

350 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:37am

re: #315 irish rose

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

Pam is a "journalist"?

351 Danny  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:51am

re: #346 SixDegrees

He's incapable of forming a well-structured sentence. I doubt he'd respond to reasoned debate.

A floundering floucer?

352 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them

Franken voted "yea" which was a vote to prohibit the funding.

Here are the "nays" (a vote to continue funding)
Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Not Voting:
Not Voting - 9
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Coburn (R-OK)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hutchison (R-TX)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Vitter (R-LA)

353 jorline  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:14:05am

Teens Sue Baseball Team Over 'God Bless America' Ejection

TRENTON, N.J. — Three teenagers who say they were tossed from a New Jersey ballpark over their refusal to stand during the song "God Bless America" are suing the minor league Newark Bears.

The boys argue that their constitutional rights were violated when they were asked to leave Newark's Bears and Eagles Riverfront Stadium on June 29 by Bears' president and co-owner Thomas Cetnar.

The boys — Millburn High seniors Bryce Gadye and Nilkumar Patel, both 17, and junior Shaan Mohammad Khan, 16 — sued in federal court on Friday seeking unspecified damages.

The boys are being represented by Bryce Gadye's father, Ross, who said the boys weren't protesting the song and no one asked them to stand.


Even though I would have hated to see them seated they had the right to sit through "God Bless America" and shouldn't have been asked to leave,
but there are classier ways to handle it.

Fuck monetary damages. Give them free tickets to the next home game and tell them good luck if they want to repeat the performance.

354 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #335 Danny

This would be a documentary where I live.

Watch his other videos. The guy's really talented. I think he's got a career in movies.

355 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:14:42am

re: #351 Danny

The anti-vax guy doesn't seem to be flouncing. Just ranting.

356 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:03am

re: #348 Coracle

I don' think it moves anything forward to put down people you don't care for when they do things you would otherwise support.

hu·mor (hymr)
n.
1. The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: could not see the humor of the situation.
2. That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement: a writer skilled at crafting humor.
3. The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd. See Synonyms at wit1.
4. One of the four fluids of the body, blood, phlegm, choler, and black bile, whose relative proportions were thought in ancient and medieval physiology to determine a person's disposition and general health.
5. Physiology
a. A body fluid, such as blood, lymph, or bile.
b. Aqueous humor.
c. Vitreous humor.
6. A person's characteristic disposition or temperament: a boy of sullen humor.
7. An often temporary state of mind; a mood: I'm in no humor to argue.
8.
a. A sudden, unanticipated whim. See Synonyms at mood1.
b. Capricious or peculiar behavior.

Al Franken has been know to attempt this concept as well...you should try too, it is good for your soul.

357 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:03am

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Thanks Reine ,,,I found it

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

358 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #325 DaddyG

New Whig party plug in 3... 2... 1...

(Not that it's a bad thing...)

The problem with third parties is that they bleed votes from Republicans, insuring a Democratic victory. Not that I like like Republicans, it's just that I find them much less dangerous. I am becoming a believer in term limits. Power corrupts, no matter the political affiliation. In addition to term limits, I'd like to see politicians to lose their awesome health plan after they leave office and receive no pension. It's called public SERVICE. The perks are just to damn attractive to resist selling your soul to stay in office.

359 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #331 Charles

They really seem to think America's about to be taken over.

And they link to Lionheart, a BNP thug, and Gates of Vienna, where they rhapsodize about expelling and/or killing all Muslims in Western countries.

Pure hate speech and raving paranoia. It's the dead end of the anti-jihad blogs.


Well just in case we all become secret Muslims next week.. I have a few questions.. How many wives do we get? Also can we preorder 72 virgins for the after life..I don't want to get stuck with Janet Reno.
Do I have to wear of those Turbans around my head? I don't even wear ballcaps..That could be a show stopper for me..
One last thing..Do I have to give up the monthly Zionist checks?

360 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:44am

re: #350 Cato the Elder

Pam is a "journalist"?

Check her bio. She actually has worked in journalism.

361 Danny  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:48am

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Watch his other videos. The guy's really talented. I think he's got a career in movies.

Actualy, I prefer more sophisticated stuff. Like Bloodhound Gang, stuff like that.

362 researchok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Anyone have the roll call on the Senates 83-7 vote to defund Acorn?

The only name I've heard so far is that Al Franken voted to DEfund them



See this for Senate vote on Acorn

363 cliffster  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:15:57am

re: #315 irish rose

"We are an entirely non-violent organization. Our sauntering is planned to be more a polite conversational engagement rather than a demonstration." Organizers "look forward to a pleasant several hours chatting with our fellow Americans in the Capitol on the issue at hand."

I bet

364 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #333 Desert Dog

re: #348 Coracle

I don' think it moves anything forward to put down people you don't care for when they do things you would otherwise support.

Huh ?? what is it that we would "otherwise support"???

365 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #326 HoosierHoops

Everything sounds wonderful oh master of the Galaxy...Except Bagels
I'd rather sit in Gitmo for a week than eat a bagel..
/Hi Ludwig!

Mebst!!! You do not care for the chosen bread?

It is a torus to remind us that the topology of the universe is not simple.

It has a hole in the middle to remind us that sustenance without spirit is insufficient!

If you let one sit for two weeks it makes a great hockey puck - or ninja weapon!

It is crisp and slightly crunchy on the outside, yet chewy, moist and dense (yet still somehow airy) on the inside. It was kneaded by stout men and women with forearms like Popeye!

And you doubt the goodness, the essential rightness, of the bagel?

No bagel for you! AND don't tell that to the IDF girls...

How are you buddy?

366 Flyovercountry  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:16:32am

re: #359 HoosierHoops

Well just in case we all become secret Muslims next week.. I have a few questions.. How many wives do we get? Also can we preorder 72 virgins for the after life..I don't want to get stuck with Janet Reno.
Do I have to wear of those Turbans around my head? I don't even wear ballcaps..That could be a show stopper for me..
One last thing..Do I have to give up the monthly Zionist checks?

What make you believe the virgins will all be human?

367 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:16:48am

If you hold "self-made" to an extreme of somehow living without society then I guess you are right.

However, I think the majority of people would agree the example I gave is self-made.

368 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #356 Desert Dog

Ah! A joke. I'd heard about theses things where I come from, but never had I seen such a one. I cannot wait to telling my cousins - he said there is no such things.

369 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:17:27am

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Franken voted "yea" which was a vote to prohibit the funding.

Here are the "nays" (a vote to continue funding)
Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Not Voting:
Not Voting - 9
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Coburn (R-OK)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hutchison (R-TX)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Vitter (R-LA)

...Byrd just yelled "french toast please"...so they had to put that down as a "did not vote".

370 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:17:36am

re: #331 Charles

They really seem to think America's about to be taken over.

And they link to Lionheart, a BNP thug, and Gates of Vienna, where they rhapsodize about expelling and/or killing all Muslims in Western countries.

Pure hate speech and raving paranoia. It's the dead end of the anti-jihad blogs.

It is exactly what I have been saying all along. They can not cope with an image of America that is not in their image.

371 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #364 sattv4u2

re: #348 Coracle

Huh ?? what is it that we would "otherwise support"???

Voting to de-fund ACORN, clearly. As do I, at this point.

372 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:18:44am

re: #368 Coracle

Ah! A joke. I'd heard about theses things where I come from, but never had I seen such a one. I cannot wait to telling my cousins - he said there is no such things.

Your cousin is the Ayatollah Khomeini?

/

373 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:18:56am

re: #349 Leonidas Hoplite

As much as I dislike to admit it, I am embarrassed to think of myself as a right-winger. Disgraceful.


Not me.
I am a conservative and will always be.
I don't associate myself with kooks.
In contrast to the apparent groupthink I do not believe that kooks are a mainstream of the conservative movement

374 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:04am

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Franken voted "yea" which was a vote to prohibit the funding.

Here are the "nays" (a vote to continue funding)
Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Not Voting:
Not Voting - 9
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Coburn (R-OK)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hutchison (R-TX)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Vitter (R-LA)

I really dislike Bob Casey. What an empty suit. His father has to be twisting in his grave.

375 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #372 OldLineTexan

Your cousin is the Ayatollah Khomeini?

/

No, he is not as funny.

376 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:41am

re: #369 Charpete67

I wonder what Hutchison was doing ... she ain't Gubner of Texas yet; too early to be applauded for not showing up to work!

377 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #364 sattv4u2

re: #348 Coracle

Huh ?? what is it that we would "otherwise support"???

...it means you can't say Obama has big ears.

378 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #337 reine.de.tout

Here it is.

Prohibiting use of funds to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
NAYs ---7
Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

What the heck is wrong with these people in Illinois and Vermont?

379 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:21:43am

re: #378 DaddyG

Prohibiting use of funds to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
NAYs ---7
Burris (D-IL)
Casey (D-PA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Leahy (D-VT)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

What the heck is wrong with these people in Illinois and Vermont?

Burris is bitter, and Durbin is a typical white guy.

/

Sanders is a loon. The sooner he's back under his damned apple tree reading a book instead of legislation, the better.

The rest I don't know well enough to say.

380 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:36am

re: #373 Shug
I dinged you for the sentiment but you went and used groupthink as a descriptor of opinions and not decision making again! What is a good OD geek like me gonna do with you people?

;-D

381 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:54am

re: #360 Dianna

Check her bio. She actually has worked in journalism.

Until they noticed she's batshit crazy, can't spell, and is drunk allatime?

382 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:10am

re: #360 Dianna

Check her bio. She actually has worked in journalism.


I think she worked under the table...meaning paid off the books people...dirty minds!..lol

/actually she was an editor of some such

383 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #365 LudwigVanQuixote

Mebst!!! You do not care for the chosen bread?

It is a torus to remind us that the topology of the universe is not simple.

It has a hole in the middle to remind us that sustenance without spirit is insufficient!

If you let one sit for two weeks it makes a great hockey puck - or ninja weapon!

It is crisp and slightly crunchy on the outside, yet chewy, moist and dense (yet still somehow airy) on the inside. It was kneaded by stout men and women with forearms like Popeye!

And you doubt the goodness, the essential rightness, of the bagel?

No bagel for you! AND don't tell that to the IDF girls...

How are you buddy?


You forgot skeet targets!
I hate 90% of all food everywhere...I do like warm fresh bread with real butter, Salads, fruits, Veggies..a little lean meat..Buzz and I had this conversation once about food.. I think I told him..Dude I'm more jewish with food than you..LOL It was pretty funny.
Hope today finds you well Ludwig..

384 sagehen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:29am

re: #165 doubter4444


In fact, it's kind of the other way around, the only two rich from birth presidents were Kennedy and Bush.

Three. Both Bushes were born wealthy -- that family's money goes way back.

Here's the wiki on Samuel Bush, GHWB's grandfather

385 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:29am

re: #381 Cato the Elder

Until they noticed she's batshit crazy, can't spell, and is drunk allatime?

Maybe she studied under Hunter S. Thompson.

386 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #373 Shug

Not me.
I am a conservative and will always be.
I don't associate myself with kooks.
In contrast to the apparent groupthink I do not believe that kooks are a mainstream of the conservative movement

The kooks may not be the mainstream of the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean that they can't hijack it, even temporarily. While I doubt this will happen, until the whack-jobs get the smackdown they deserve stuff like this is embarrassing and disgracefull.

387 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #381 Cato the Elder

Until they noticed she's batshit crazy, can't spell, and is drunk allatime?

I couldn't possibly say.

388 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:32:47am

re: #371 Coracle

Voting to de-fund ACORN, clearly. As do I, at this point.

So when many here were complaining about ACORN prior to and in the aftermath of the November elections, with all the shenanigans they were involved in, it took till NOW for you to cast a jaundiced eye towards them?

Welcome !

389 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:56am

re: #341 Cato the Elder

Your definition of "self made" and "independent" is yours, not mine. Good luck with that.

Tho, I should explain that I added "the moral framework" to the definition because I, personally, would be unable to accept my capacity to determine my own choices outside of my moral framework.

Doing so would be like happily spending money I didn't have yet knowing and dreading that the bill is coming soon.

390 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:16am

re: #387 Dianna

I couldn't possibly say.

Thank you, PM Urquhart.

391 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #373 Shug

Not me.
I am a conservative and will always be.
I don't associate myself with kooks.
In contrast to the apparent groupthink I do not believe that kooks are a mainstream of the conservative movement

I'm with you, Shug, on this.
But the damned kooks sure are getting themselves a lot of attention.

392 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:40:23am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

I'm with you, Shug, on this.
But the damned kooks sure are getting themselves a lot of attention.

empty barrels always make the most noise

THE SILENT MAJORITY IS ALIVE AND WELL

393 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:41:58am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Most journalists are democrats and most likely voted for Obama. Really, who can blame them for finding kooks on the far right alternately amusing/enraging?

394 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

But the damned kooks sure are getting themselves a lot of attention.

All the more reason why real conservatives needs to continue to expose the kooks as they are and escort them out of any real association with the conservative movement.

ODS and 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' are both losing propositions.

395 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:49:03am

re: #214 Flyovercountry

I guess they didn't teach history in your high school. Ford was the only one I wasn't certain of. Nixon grew up in abject poverty, Reagan also. Both were childhood laborers. Neither had a job which would be allowed under today's child labor laws. What I was going for, was pointing out that President's who are sometimes viewed as puppets of the wealthy, are the very same people who did not come from that strata of society. Sometimes, those viewed as the great protectors of the poor, are the people who come from the same strata of society they are baiting us to be against.

I understand what you are trying to say, and I was not trying to call you out on something like this.
But that being said, I think you are a little off the mark.
Abject poverty to me says no shoes, living out of a car, or whatever, I just did not remember it that way...
I looked at a few sites before posting to refresh my memory:
Nixon:
There was a lot of hard work, however, because of Frank Nixon's (his father) business failures, and most of the time the family was barely able to make ends meet.
The Nixons then moved to Whittier, California, the home of his mother's relatives, where his father opened a grocery store.[6]
Nixon initially attended Fullerton High School in Fullerton, but later transferred to Whittier High School, where he graduated second in his class in 1930.[7] Financial concerns forced him to decline a scholarship to Harvard University[8] and to Yale University;[9] he instead enrolled at Whittier College,[10]

As for Reagan, "near poverty" is what I found after reading several different bio entries: After several years of moving from town to town—made necessary in part because of Jack Reagan's alcoholism, which made it difficult for him to hold a job—the family settled in Dixon, Illinois, in 1920. Despite their near poverty and his father's drinking problem, Reagan later recalled his childhood in Dixon as the happiest period of his life.
As for Ford:
Ford was born as Leslie Lynch King, Jr. on July 14, 1913, at 3202 Woolworth Avenue in Omaha, Nebraska, where his parents lived with his paternal grandparents. His father was Leslie Lynch King, Sr., a wool trader and son of prominent banker Charles Henry and Martha King. His mother was the former Dorothy Ayer Gardner. Dorothy separated from King Sr. just sixteen days after her son's birth. She took her son with her to the Oak Park, Illinois home of her sister Tannisse and her husband, Clarence Haskins James. From there she moved to the home of her parents, Levi Addison Gardner and his wife, the former Adele Augusta Ayer, in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Dorothy and Leslie King divorced in December 1913; she gained full custody of their son. Ford's paternal grandfather Charles Henry King paid child support until shortly before his death in 1930.[3]
Anyway, whatever.

396 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:50:06am

re: #388 sattv4u2

So when many here were complaining about ACORN prior to and in the aftermath of the November elections, with all the shenanigans they were involved in, it took till NOW for you to cast a jaundiced eye towards them?

Welcome !

I saw all the axe grinding and teeth gnashing amounting to very little. This speaks much worse. I've posted before, putting down an opponent if and when they start coming around toward your point of view doesn't make progress easier.

397 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:52:32am

re: #332 CommonCents

Which is what I tell my daily contribution seeker from the RNC. Provide me with character candidates that can
a) keep their word
b) keep their greed in check
c) keep their libido in check
d) stick to principles and not platitudes

But that would destroy politics...

398 sagehen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:53:57am

re: #358 Ziggy

The problem with third parties is that they bleed votes from Republicans, insuring a Democratic victory.

Really? Is that what Ralph Nader did to the 2000 election?

399 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #386 Leonidas Hoplite

The kooks may not be the mainstream of the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean that they can't hijack it, even temporarily. While I doubt this will happen, until the whack-jobs get the smackdown they deserve stuff like this is embarrassing and disgracefull.

It truly doesn't help when you get actual (R)'s in the senate not forcefully denouncing the 'nirther' issue. Instead they embrace and pander...

400 Salamantis  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:57:22am

re: #315 irish rose

Good *.

Spencer and Gellers' latest project... check out the photo.

Pardon me while I puke.

It's an attempt to transplant this disgusting European organization into America:

[Link: sioe.wordpress.com...]

401 stickman  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:12:22pm

We all understand that a minority of weirdoes taint and tarnish the real message. I get that, but we seem to be going over and over the fact that these flakes are out there amongst us. They are. But no matter what you do or say, folks on the left will paint everyone with the same brush. As I've written here many times before - the positions of normal conservative libertarian types and the far right whack jobs are deceivingly close on the surface. I don't expect people on the left to look any deeper than that unfortunately. I wish they could distinguish between the two but I've learned to accept the fact they will not.

402 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:12:28pm

re: #134 lawhawk

We've got a race of flounces on this thread (kinda like a murder of ravens or gaggle of geese).

The whole darn klan of flouncers is leaving.

403 Rancher  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:02pm

Well he may be an Indonesian apostate but I don't think Obama is a racist. His involvement with the welfare thugs at ACORN doesn't make him a welfare thug, just as the hundreds of thousands of Tea Party supporters aren't racists by association with the Tea Party organizers. I must concede that racists, Paulians, Truthers, and Nirthers are more than a teeny tiny minority of Tea Party supporters but in as much as those kooks will gravitate towards any event critical of Obama I don't see what we can do to "cleans" the anti big government movement. At this point the Tea Party protests are the only game in town and I plan to attend one first chance I get, call me what you will. I was also a racist Nazi for being a Minuteman.

404 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #401 stickman

We all understand that a minority of weirdoes taint and tarnish the real message. I get that, but we seem to be going over and over the fact that these flakes are out there amongst us. They are. But no matter what you do or say, folks on the left will paint everyone with the same brush. As I've written here many times before - the positions of normal conservative libertarian types and the far right whack jobs are deceivingly close on the surface. I don't expect people on the left to look any deeper than that unfortunately. I wish they could distinguish between the two but I've learned to accept the fact they will not.

I seem to recall similar arguments from the other side a few scant years ago.

405 Rancher  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:44:58pm

My bad, his dual citizenship is as a Kenyan, so he is a Kenyan apostate. And socialist.

406 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:22:57pm

re: #405 Rancher

My bad, his dual citizenship is as a Kenyan, so he is a Kenyan apostate. And socialist.

What the hell are you talking about?! Barack Obama does NOT have dual citizenship in Kenya!

Why are you spreading this hateful garbage at my website?

407 Stickman  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #404 Coracle

Not sure I understand. The two philosophies - (left/right) - are quite different in the way they can be nudged in a negative direction. A person who believes in self reliance and personal responsibility, as it relates to welfare for example, can be construed to be racist or hating poor people etc. If you're for government welfare than you're looked upon as being caring. (Even if people believe that it may be Socialistic, it still comes off as caring.) It seems to me that that view is mostly seen as caring and kind when in fact it can be a very destructive force for the people that they want to help. The rights view is often looked on as being harsh, uncaring and dangerous, like the whack jobs we see out there.

408 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:28:32pm

re: #405 Rancher

I've thought about this a little bit, and that's the end of the line for you. If you want to promote your stupid "Obama's a sekrit Muslim" bullshit it will have to be somewhere else.

409 macoishin  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:36:55pm

Slightly OT - I have no comment about the Mad Nirther's Tea Party, but would like to comment on the petard. This was a highly unreliable medieval mine used to bring down fortifications. I find it amusing (in a grade school sense) that "petard" is from the French word "peter" - to fart.

410 jackflash  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:33:29pm

re: #408 Charles
Good for you, Charles. I remember working for Barry Goldwater as my first political campaign in 1964. I was young and idealistic, but was very unprepared for all the blatant racists and kooks I had to work with. A minority, clearly, but enough to sour me on the Republicans for decades. I think if we had worked harder to distance ourselves from the crazies (e.g., "JFK was killed by Johnson and the Rockefeller operatives" and "we need to kill all those Vietnamese because they have a secret plan to take over Japan, and we're next!") we might have been able to nominate someone more rational than Nixon in 68. Those people really gave the party a bad image.


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Brian Eno - Like I Was a Spectator 'Like I Was A Spectator', a brand new track by Brian Eno with Daniel Lanois and Roger Eno from ‘Apollo – Atmospheres & Soundtracks – Extended Edition’. The video was created using rare N.A.S.A. footage.Order now: brianeno.lnk.to Follow Brian ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 201115After two really sunny and swell days since Eta left, Saturday was a mix of mostly sun and a bit of rain.We still managed to be really productive both days anyway. Got all the lava rock washed and shoveled into ...
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Michael Kiwanuka - Solid Ground (Live at the V&A) Listen to the Mercury Prize winning album ’KIWANUKA' now: michaelkiwanuka.lnk.to Michael Kiwanuka performing Solid Ground taken from the Mercury Prize winning album 'KIWANUKA' live at the Victoria & Albert museum in London. Sign up to Michael's mailing list: michaelkiwanuka.lnk.toFollow ...
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Deep Sea Diver - Impossible Weight Featuring Sharon Van Etten (Official Video) “Impossible Weight” off Deep Sea Diver’s new album 'Impossible Weight' out now. Order 'Impossible Weight' here smarturl.it Distributed by ATO Records ~~~~~~~~~ Directors: Jessica Dobson, Peter Mansen, Tyler KalbergArt direction: Jessica Dobson, Tyler KalbergDirector of photography: Tyler KalbergCamera operator ...
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Black Pumas - ‘I’m Ready’ (Timelapse Mural Video) Artist: Aaron Darling Videographer/Editor: Don RayFilmed at: Native Hostel - Austin, TXSong: Black Pumas - I'm Ready “I'm Ready” is available on the deluxe edition of the Black Pumas’ debut album, out everywhere now - smarturl.it "I'm Ready" (Official ...
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