Glenn Beck Advertising Revenue Plummets

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Left wing group ColorOfChange.org is reporting that their advertiser boycott has cost Glenn Beck more than 50% of his ad revenue.

Estimated advertising revenue [the total amount of advertising money being spent during a block of commercial time for a program] was collected on a week-by-week basis for a period of two months. According to the data collected, the amount of money spent by national advertisers on Beck’s program per week was at its highest at approximately $1,060,000, for the week ending August 2, 2009. colorofchange.org launched their campaign at the end of that week and since then, 62 advertisers have distanced themselves from Beck. Data collected for the week ending September 6, 2009 shows Beck’s estimated ad revenue at $492,000, equal to a loss of $568,000. …

The following is a list of the companies who have distanced themselves from Glenn Beck: Aegon, Ashley Furniture, Airware Inc. (makers of Brez anti-snoring aids), Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), ancestry.com, Applebee’s, AT&T, Bank of America, Best Buy, Binder & Binder, Blaine Labs Inc., Broadview Security, Campbell Soup Company, Capital One, ConAgra, Clorox, CVS, The Dannon Company, DirecTv, Discover, Ditech, The Elations Company, Experian (creator of freecreditreport.com), Farmers Insurance Group, GEICO, General Mills, HSBC, Humana, ICAN Benefit Group Insurance, Infiniti, Jelmar (manufacturer of CLR All-Purpose Cleaner) Johnson & Johnson (makers of Tylenol), Jordan McKenna Debt Counseling Network, Kraft, lawyers.com, Lowe’s, Luxottica Retail (retail parent of LensCrafters and Pearle Vision), Men’s Wearhouse, Mercedes-Benz, NutriSystem, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Re-Bath, Regions Financial Corporation, Roche, Sam (Store and Move), SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, Simplex Healthcare (creator of the Diabetes Care Club), Sprint, State Farm Insurance, Traveler’s Insurance, Travelocity, United States Postal Service, The UPS Store, Verizon Wireless, Vonage, Wal-Mart and Wyeth Consumer Healthcare.

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269 comments

1 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:21:02pm

I got a feeling GB isn't going away any time soon.

2 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:00pm

Anyone see anything about the spots to where the money is being moved? Just curious who's benefiting from Beck's loss in ad dollars.

3 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:15pm

Who's a bigger buffoon?

Beck
O'Reilly

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:28pm

Do they have shorter commercial breaks on his show now? I assume they still have the same amount of commercials and just put other companies in the vacant slots. Anyone know how it works?

5 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:46pm

History has shown that Rupert Murdoch cares intensely about one thing: making money. If Glenn Beck costs Murdoch money then Beck will go. Otherwise Beck stays.

6 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:22:57pm

Down 50%- that's not ignorable for any business.

7 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:23:09pm

Revenue decline or not, it's not altered his programming.

He wants to be Rush. Interesting role model, but that's my two bits.

8 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:23:15pm

We were just talking about this at the bottom of last thread. I'm no fan of boycotts, but this one is headed for success if they persist. With revenue for ad slots halved at some point the show gets to where any old show could bring in more cash for the shareholders of Newscorp.

9 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #1 rwmofo

profit is the key...if they make money w/beck he stays if they lose money he'll be shunted to different time slots then oblivion

10 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:23:40pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Do they have shorter commercial breaks on his show now? I assume they still have the same amount of commercials and just put other companies in the vacant slots. Anyone know how it works?

They can move other companies in, if they still don't have enough, they can add in advertisements for their own shows.

11 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:24:00pm
Experian (creator of FreeCreditReport.com)

Yikes. When even the people behind those incessant FreeCreditReport.com commercials refuse to advertise on your show you must have some issues.

12 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:24:25pm

re: #3 rwmofo

Who's a bigger buffoon?

Beck
O'Reilly

Olbermann

13 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #3 rwmofo

Who's a bigger buffoon?

Beck
O'Reilly

O'Reilly's schtick is a LOT less whacky than Glen. From my particular left side perspective O'Reilly is annoying but Glen Beck seems to be swinging from the chandelier, upside down, huffing paint. I still maintain Glen Beck is a showman and can't possibly believe all the stuff he's spouting.

14 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:25:21pm

re: #12 Big Steve

three of a perfect pair...
(forgive mr.fripp)

15 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:25:30pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Do they have shorter commercial breaks on his show now? I assume they still have the same amount of commercials and just put other companies in the vacant slots. Anyone know how it works?

I would wager they are discounting GB time slot ads heavily rather than reducing amount of ads, or it could be both.

The other thing you have to wonder is this same thing true across all shows / all broadcasters for the same period? (e.g. is it just the economic trend?)

16 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:25:58pm

Where/how would this group get ad revenue numbers? Are those private?

Just wondering.

17 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:26:29pm

re: #14 Boondock St. Bender

oops forgive me mr. fripp

18 davinvalkri  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:27:09pm

re: #13 Locker

O'Reilly's schtick is a LOT less whacky than Glen. From my particular left side perspective O'Reilly is annoying but Glen Beck seems to be swinging from the chandelier, upside down, huffing paint. I still maintain Glen Beck is a showman and can't possibly believe all the stuff he's spouting.

I think Beck is kinda like Joe McCarthy--he's all loud and shouty and considered conservative-aligned but he's really just a big blowhard who wants the world to hear "America Saved...BY BECK!"

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:27:31pm

re: #16 Pianobuff

Where/how would this group get ad revenue numbers? Are those private?

Just wondering.

Public company, part of the quarterly report and they pretty much have to be open about their ad rates I would guess.

20 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:28:05pm

re: #5 freetoken

History has shown that Rupert Murdoch cares intensely about one thing: making money. If Glenn Beck costs Murdoch money then Beck will go. Otherwise Beck stays.

but if he goes, how many viewers will he take with him?...the money comes from several directions

21 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:28:19pm

re: #16 Pianobuff

Where/how would this group get ad revenue numbers? Are those private?

Just wondering.

I guess I see where you are going with this but I'm assuming they must be public somehow, somewhere. The reason being if the figures were made up you'd be hearing SEIU/ACORN/COLOROFCHANGE non-stop from Fox News. I don't believe they'd allow a false challenge about advertisers and dollars to go unchallenged.

22 Haole  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:28:51pm

I'm not buying it. You can't trust a bunch of twoofers.

/right?

23 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:28:53pm

I didn't realize the list was up to 68, but General Mills, Kraft, Johnson & Johnson and Proctor & Gamble- these are major, major advertisers. Every home in this comtry is likely to have at least one of their products in their home, if not multiple products from each company.

This is not ignorable for Fox.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:28:59pm

re: #3 rwmofo

Who's a bigger buffoon?

Beck
O'Reilly

Beck. O'Reilly irritates me, but he can actually form a complete sentence.

25 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:30:15pm

I seem to recall reading some weeks ago, when the "Boycott Beck" movement started in earnest, that advertisers were simply shifting money from Beck to other Fox shows, so Fox was not really loosing money (or at least at the time) because of this boycott.

26 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:30:41pm

Beck sometimes goes so far over the deep edge, it's kind of hard to take him seriously. O'Reilly at least sometimes stays on point and doesn't try to talk over his guests like Chris Matthews of PMSNBC's Hardball does.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:17pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I didn't realize the list was up to 68, but General Mills, Kraft, Johnson & Johnson and Proctor & Gamble- these are major, major advertisers. Every home in this comtry is likely to have at least one of their products in their home, if not multiple products from each company.

This is not ignorable for Fox.

Also, it seriously undercuts the idea that these companies are only signing on out of fear of being called racist. Kraft could chew up ColorofChange and not have to spit out the bones. These folks are major heavy hitters.

28 researchok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Do they have shorter commercial breaks on his show now? I assume they still have the same amount of commercials and just put other companies in the vacant slots. Anyone know how it works?

FOX still has massive viewership.

The companies abandoned Beck, not the network. The press releases were pretty clear for the most part- they asked FOX not to place their ads on Beck's program. They were not abandoning FOX- at least not yet.

29 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #20 albusteve

but if he goes, how many viewers will he take with him?...the money comes from several directions

Hey Stud! How are you feeling tonight?
Beck is a clown...Somebody said that this morning..Pissed me off...Hey! I've been saying that for months! No fair! *wink*
I hope you continue a speedy recovery...

30 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:31:51pm

The more I think about the matter it's Beck's audience that causes more distress than the man himself sometimes. It's well known science that people seek out sources of information which validate their own view point. That means to me that these people who are flocking to, watch and believe Beck do so because they WANT these things to be true. Disturbing.

31 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:32:00pm

re: #25 bofhell

The advertisers may be contractually obligated to do that

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:32:28pm

re: #26 sngnsgt

Beck sometimes goes so far over the deep edge, it's kind of hard to take him seriously. O'Reilly at least sometimes stays on point and doesn't try to talk over his guests like Chris Matthews of PMSNBC's Hardball does.

I'm still mad at him for beinga hypocrite about Britney Spears' little sister, and slandering my hometown, but other than that, Bill O'Reilly seems fairly normal.

33 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:32:58pm

re: #29 HoosierHoops

Hey Stud! How are you feeling tonight?
Beck is a clown...Somebody said that this morning..Pissed me off...Hey! I've been saying that for months! No fair! *wink*
I hope you continue a speedy recovery...

feeling a bit better, thanks...it's a slow process

34 thatemailname  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:33:07pm

My guess is we'll know how it pans out in about 4-6 months. Television is a business, plain and simple, and if they've really lost this much revenue no way they can keep him in that slot!

35 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:33:56pm

re: #25 bofhell

The time slot is losing money. All of these advertisers would likely come back were Beck to be replaced. A replacement certainly couldn't do much worse than $492,000 a week.

36 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:34:29pm

re: #31 Boondock St. Bender

The advertisers may be contractually obligated to do that

Almost certainly, but the key is that Fox doesn't lose the money. I'm sure there is a substantial lead time in the purchasing of advertising time. I don't see Murdoch financially hurting from this anytime soon.

37 kaziggy2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:34:52pm

I''m so glad color of change can influence so many advertisers on a show that has a viewership of MILLIONS. Glad you guys all are happy about that too. Glad everything is so hunky dory in this beautiful Obama government. Glad you all have decided GB is kooky and we are all racists!! Coudn't be more happy right now. :-)

38 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:35:01pm

OT

Project Icarus

[Link: www.wired.com...]

39 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #3 rwmofo

Who's a bigger buffoon?

Beck
O'Reilly

Don't underestimate those you may not like. O'Reilly may go with the flow of the moment, but he is no buffoon.

40 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:36:20pm

re: #37 kaziggy2

Beck isn't kooky...thats for embaressing aunts amd uncles
He's batshit insane!

41 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:36:21pm

re: #19 Thanos

Public company, part of the quarterly report and they pretty much have to be open about their ad rates I would guess.

They would publish ad revenue for an individual show in a somewhat small timeslice?

I checked the investor portion of the site and went through filings back through July. Nothing there either.

Maybe there is some industry service that collects and reports on this data?

42 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:06pm

re: #25 bofhell

I seem to recall reading some weeks ago, when the "Boycott Beck" movement started in earnest, that advertisers were simply shifting money from Beck to other Fox shows, so Fox was not really loosing money (or at least at the time) because of this boycott.

Yes but if all the premium ad buyers shift off the show then the only backfill they have are the late night, low dollar, non premium ad buyers for a timeslot that should carry a premium price.

43 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:08pm

re: #11 Bloodnok

Yikes. When even the people behind those incessant FreeCreditReport.com commercials refuse to advertise on your show you must have some issues.

Hi Nok. ;)

You're so right. Just imagine how bad your image must be if those guys don't want to associate with you!

44 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:11pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm still mad at him for beinga hypocrite about Britney Spears' little sister, and slandering my hometown, but other than that, Bill O'Reilly seems fairly normal.

I think O'Reilly's ratings speak volumes.

45 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:42pm

re: #30 Locker

The more I think about the matter it's Beck's audience that causes more distress than the man himself sometimes. It's well known science that people seek out sources of information which validate their own view point. That means to me that these people who are flocking to, watch and believe Beck do so because they WANT these things to be true. Disturbing.

maybe, maybe not...BO buyers remorse comes to mind...I'd bet half the people that watch Beck have no clue as to what they want or need...little seeds wanting to be planted

46 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:47pm

re: #36 bofhell

Almost certainly, but the key is that Fox doesn't lose the money. I'm sure there is a substantial lead time in the purchasing of advertising time. I don't see Murdoch financially hurting from this anytime soon.

Yes- they are losing money. These advertisers only have an opportunity for X amount of available ad air time. They might have shifted some ads to other shows, but if they were already advertising on them, it's not much of a shift. Meanwhile- there is available ad air time on Beck's show- and no one wants it.

47 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:56pm

re: #33 albusteve

feeling a bit better, thanks...it's a slow process

I have a very special book I'd like to send you.. It's called the children of the Blues
It was written by the kids of the greatest blues guitarists of all time...Tons of great pics...Let's hook up soon and I'll FED-EX you the book...
Kind Regards

48 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:37:58pm

I smell a smell
i smell a smelly smell that smells

it's perhaps a flounce!

49 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:38:06pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

The time slot is losing money. All of these advertisers would likely come back were Beck to be replaced. A replacement certainly couldn't do much worse than $492,000 a week.

I can't say I disagree with your logic, but then again, I don't own Fox News.

50 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #20 albusteve

but if he goes, how many viewers will he take with him?...the money comes from several directions

Agree. That is why I framed it as depending upon whether Murdoch is making money off of Beck or not. Strictly speaking, Beck pulls in viewers to Fox, not just to his own program. This is where CoC may be losing the war, even if they win the battle.

51 kaziggy2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:19pm

re: #40 Boondock St. Bender

Opps forgot, your so right. I must have said it wrong.

52 davinvalkri  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:29pm

re: #37 kaziggy2

Calm down, man, that's not what we're saying. None of us particularly like Obama, but we'd rather our case be presented by the Whittaker Chambers and William F. Buckley Jrs. of the world than the Joe McCarthys and the John Birch Societies.

(If I were of a more conspiratorial bent, I'd probably believe Beck is a paid plant to discredit large swaths of the conservative movement, but that kind of thinking is for lunatic radicals on all sides of the aisle.)

53 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:37pm
54 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:39:56pm

re: #21 Locker

I guess I see where you are going with this but I'm assuming they must be public somehow, somewhere. The reason being if the figures were made up you'd be hearing SEIU/ACORN/COLOROFCHANGE non-stop from Fox News. I don't believe they'd allow a false challenge about advertisers and dollars to go unchallenged.

I suspect you are right. I'm just curious where these numbers are published. If it's available to the public, I'd like to check it out for a number of shows.

55 kaziggy2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:40:29pm

re: #52 davinvalkri

Ya like that will ever happen!! It's gonna take a crazy to go against this administration cuz everyone else lost their "cajones"!!!

56 bloodnok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:40:31pm

re: #43 iceweasel

Hi Nok. ;)

You're so right. Just imagine how bad your image must be if those guys don't want to associate with you!

God help Fox if the "Snuggie" people should ever look for saner pastures.

57 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:40:31pm

re: #42 Thanos

Yes but if all the premium ad buyers shift off the show then the only backfill they have are the late night, low dollar, non premium ad buyers for a timeslot that should carry a premium price.

boner pill ads will hold up his revenue...

58 Chekote  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:40:57pm

This will make him and even bigger hero among some on the right.

59 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #52 davinvalkri

(If I were of a more conspiratorial bent, I'd probably believe Beck is a paid plant to discredit large swaths of the conservative movement,...

That's it! Glenn Beck is an operation of ... George Soros!

60 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:27pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

I have a very special book I'd like to send you.. It's called the children of the Blues
It was written by the kids of the greatest blues guitarists of all time...Tons of great pics...Let's hook up soon and I'll FED-EX you the book...
Kind Regards

I'd consider it :)

61 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:30pm

re: #43 iceweasel

And Hi, Ice! :)

62 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:34pm

re: #38 debutaunt

Cool!

63 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:41:38pm

OK, which lizard's gonna take one for the team and sit through Glenn Beck's show and then (? compare?) Greta's or O'Reilly's to see if there's a difference in ad spots?

I can't...I've got kids and only one TV.

64 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:42:17pm

re: #53 Buckeye Nation

Not really...

The article supports the theory I outlined above:

First, Beck’s show still has advertisers. They may be “Beachbody (creator of P90X Exercise Equipment), Egg Genie and Telebrands (creator of Jupiter Jack)” as Rucker points out in the press release, but they are still there.

65 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:42:23pm

re: #43 iceweasel

Hi Nok. ;)

You're so right. Just imagine how bad your image must be if those guys don't want to associate with you!


Hi Ice!
Hope today finds your liberal ass well today..*wink*
LOL

66 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:42:54pm

re: #51 kaziggy2

Sure the ranting, the raving,the waving of arms the froth around the mouth
he's got all the earmarks...he is the flip side of the bds coin,he will say anything to get attention.If you tie your boat to that shit house rat,you will be embarressed about it later.
fairly warned be you,says I

67 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:42:56pm

OT: What the hell is wrong with Suck City, my home town? For the second time in as many days, I'm being discriminated against because of my service dog. This time it's a restaurant I've been going to with him for years. Suddenly the maître d' decides he can only seat us outside. I don't want to sit outside. I want to sit at my regular table, where I've sat with my dog more times than I can count. So now he's talking to his boss and they're deciding if they want to piss off an old customer and have an ADA Justice Department complaint on their asses. I will gladly fill out the forms, if that's the way they want to play it. SICK of this shite.

68 davinvalkri  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:43:44pm

re: #55 kaziggy2

I'm sure people were saying that just after FDR and the apparent dominance of liberalism in the 1940s and 1950s, too. Buckley and Goldwater and all the rest put paid to thoughts of continued liberal orthodoxy, and they did it without resorting to hyper-populist lunacy.

69 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:43:50pm

re: #53 Buckeye Nation

Not really...

That's more or less what I suspect too.

70 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:34pm

Fox should let Charles have Beck's hour.

Then when Hannity lifts another segment from LGF, Charles can thank him for it on his show.

71 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:55pm

Think like a CEO for a minute who is accountable first and foremost to shareholders - they might hold the line due to GB's audience share a quarter or two, but if this persists I would bet they will find another way.

/just saying

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:44:56pm

re: #67 Cato the Elder

Ugh. That's very illegal.

73 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45:07pm

re: #67 Cato the Elder

Go for it!

74 pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45:21pm

Am I correct in thinking that this post is based on the press release of the involved group?

75 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45:43pm

re: #63 funky chicken

OK, which lizard's gonna take one for the team and sit through Glenn Beck's show and then (? compare?) Greta's or O'Reilly's to see if there's a difference in ad spots?

I can't...I've got kids and only one TV.

I nominate you, Kilgore. You go to the Stormfront website, so Beck shouldn't bother you much.

76 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45:54pm
77 kaziggy2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:46:20pm

re: #66 Boondock St. Bender

Okay, I'll certainly enter it in my diary that "fairly warned be I"!!!
I now realize everyone on this cite is "civilized". Opps my bad!!!

78 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:46:34pm

re: #64 Thanos

It's a dubious campaign by the Color of Change people.

79 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:05pm

re: #70 Noam Sayin'

Fox should let Charles have Beck's hour.

Then when Hannity lifts another segment from LGF, Charles can thank him for it on his show.

don't be too sure it won't come to something like that, it very well might and Charles would deserve it...EVOLUTION!

80 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:07pm

re: #53 Buckeye Nation

Not really...

I highly doubt 'Egg Genie' has the sort of advertising budget to afford Beck's show in the same way as a Kraft Foods. So Fox is either having to find more advertisers to compensate for lower income advertisers who can't long afford to remain on the program, or they're selling the air time for less. Either way- it's likely affecting the time slot's income.

81 Bagua  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:25pm

re: #67 Cato the Elder

OT: What the hell is wrong with Suck City, my home town?

I didn't know you lived in Houston.

82 sod  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:47:48pm

re: #13 Locker

I had to login just to upding that chandelier business. Funny.

83 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:48:42pm

re: #67 Cato the Elder

OT: What the hell is wrong with Suck City, my home town? For the second time in as many days, I'm being discriminated against because of my service dog. This time it's a restaurant I've been going to with him for years. Suddenly the maître d' decides he can only seat us outside. I don't want to sit outside. I want to sit at my regular table, where I've sat with my dog more times than I can count. So now he's talking to his boss and they're deciding if they want to piss off an old customer and have an ADA Justice Department complaint on their asses. I will gladly fill out the forms, if that's the way they want to play it. SICK of this shite.

time to get pissy?...my sympathies amigo

84 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:48:44pm

re: #78 Buckeye Nation

It's a dubious campaign by the Color of Change people.

I don't like GB, so I see why they are doing it (aren't the lachrymal dysfunctions enough by themselves?) but on the other hand I don't support boycotts either. I think generally they are counterproductive whether they come from left or right.

85 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:48:58pm

Before I go--those Free Credit Report ads are super popular among the Jr./early Sr. High crowd, especially the boys. My son and his friends in 2 different states now know all the songs, and can sing them from memory.

It's actually kinda funny.

See ya, lizards.

86 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:49:37pm

re: #67 Cato the Elder

OT: What the hell is wrong with Suck City, my home town? For the second time in as many days, I'm being discriminated against because of my service dog. This time it's a restaurant I've been going to with him for years. Suddenly the maître d' decides he can only seat us outside. I don't want to sit outside. I want to sit at my regular table, where I've sat with my dog more times than I can count. So now he's talking to his boss and they're deciding if they want to piss off an old customer and have an ADA Justice Department complaint on their asses. I will gladly fill out the forms, if that's the way they want to play it. SICK of this shite.


Sad. The thing is your service dog probably has better manners than half the people in the joint.

87 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:49:54pm
88 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:50:34pm

re: #77 kaziggy2

ah don't be upset that we see your hero for the raving deuche he is.
And just think if enough assholes follow his lead you get obama for another 4 years!!!then you can really seeth!
(gonna flounce yet?

89 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:50:47pm

OT: Update on this sideshow...
Police: No evidence teen was threatened over Christianity


"Our investigation has provided no clear evidence of criminal activity," said the state report.

Investigators stated they could not find any evidence to support a history of abuse. A teacher at the girl's high school told investigators she had no reports or evidence of abuse.

The girl had told investigators her father never saw her in her school cheerleading outfit because she feared his disapproval. But investigators stated in the report they saw pictures of the girl in her cheerleading uniform prominently displayed in the living room of the Bary's Ohio home.

90 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:51:31pm

What just happened? A car accident?

91 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:51:32pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Not from what I've read. Fox's ad revenue is through the roof. Plus, not all the companies Color of Change claim are boycotting Fox actually advertise with Fox.

92 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:52:29pm

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

There's probably a "whole country going to the dogs" joke in there, but instead let me just say I'm sorry to hear it.

Hi Buzz! I got a song for you to work on..
What is a Service dog? Cato? For as long as I can remember a Seeing eye dog could go anywhere..Rightly so..What the Hell is a service dog? Cato?
I'm sorry..But Winston only gets to go to Pet smart...I'm Sorry Cato..When I go out to eat I don't want your dog next to my table...Unless you are blind..
Service dog? Please explain bro

93 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #91 Buckeye Nation

And you have a link for those numbers from Fox?

94 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:52:40pm

re: #84 Thanos

Agree.

Example: The boycotting of Whole Foods.

Man, did that fade fast.

95 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:53:13pm

Oops! Sorry about the strong language there. I was meaning to suggest Cato be emphatic in pursuing the course of action outlined, not that he should inflict violence.

96 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:53:18pm

re: #15 Thanos

I would wager they are discounting GB time slot ads heavily rather than reducing amount of ads, or it could be both.

The other thing you have to wonder is this same thing true across all shows / all broadcasters for the same period? (e.g. is it just the economic trend?)

Yet another question is: can CoC's figures be trusted? I know there have been questions raised about the accuracy of their list of advertisers who've pulled ads, with some companies claiming not to have done so.

I would take any information from this source with a grain of salt.

Note that I'm no fan of Becks and would be happy to see him driven off the air. But CoC's own reputation isn't exactly sterling.

97 kaziggy2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:53:25pm

re: #88 Boondock St. Bender

Like I said before, I wont' seeth, I'll be GLAD. Dont ya get it??? heheheh
It will be another 4 years of the wonderful Obama government. I can sooo live with that.

98 Bagua  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:53:51pm

OT:

Imagine my surprise in reviewing the "Tea Party Logo Lifted" thread and seeing a red -1 on half of Charles's posts.

Bagua has taken the liberty of canceling your stealth down dings, uglies up the place.

99 Right Brain  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:05pm

Cable News Ratings Sept. 10 Beck's stunning take-down of Van Jones and ACORN indicate that the ad boycott is having no effect on his viewers. Probably his ratings will climb do to the spacing of the ACORN videos.

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,609,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,340,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,986,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,522,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,362,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,040,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,573,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,164,000
CNN KING 965,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 882,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 734,000
CNN COOPER 691,000

100 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:17pm

re: #96 SixDegrees

Thats the fun in watching folks you don't like fight...

101 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:38pm

OT

I've never injected myself into a political campaign as much as work for a campaign but, now that I'm living back in Nevada, I'll be working this year, for just about any candidate running against Harry Reed as long as they don't have a 'D' after his/her last name. Harry must go.

102 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:54:52pm

re: #100 Boondock St. Bender

Thats the fun in watching folks you don't like fight...

Yes, "Let's you and him fight," to quote Hammett.

103 Haole  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:55:17pm

That's a lot of advertisers. I mean a LOT. If he had that many ads running, How could he have time to play back peoples words on themselves?

104 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:55:39pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

No, I didn't bookmark the story when I read it.

105 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:55:57pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

OT: Update on this sideshow...
Police: No evidence teen was threatened over Christianity

The father confirmed a key event occurred: Mohamed Bary told investigators he lifted the computer to throw it, but decided not to because he had spent too much money on it to break it...

maybe more to it...

106 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:25pm

re: #5 freetoken

History has shown that Rupert Murdoch cares intensely about one thing: making money. If Glenn Beck costs Murdoch money then Beck will go. Otherwise Beck stays.

Beck pulled in over 3 million viewers yesterday, far outpacing everyone else in that time slot . As long as he's pulling viewers in, Murdoch isn't going to let him go.

[Link: tvbythenumbers.com...]

107 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:31pm

re: #65 HoosierHoops

Hi Ice!
Hope today finds your liberal ass well today..*wink*
LOL

My liberal ass is damn fine, honey. And who would know better than yourself? ;)

How are you, cutie?

108 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:35pm

re: #104 Buckeye Nation

Ah- then I can't take your word for it. You have to bring facts to the table.

109 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:37pm
110 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #105 LSD

The father confirmed a key event occurred: Mohamed Bary told investigators he lifted the computer to throw it, but decided not to because he had spent too much money on it to break it...

maybe more to it...

There's always more to everything. Knowing when to stop looking is as important as knowing when and where to look.

111 Pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:53pm

Considering the ratings and the fact that Beck is breaking news regularly such as tonight, assuming C o C's info is accurate how many of those companies do you think would like to have those ads back on today?

112 Bagua  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:56:58pm

re: #99 Right Brain

Cable News Ratings Sept. 10 Beck's stunning take-down of Van Jones and ACORN indicate that the ad boycott is having no effect on his viewers. Probably his ratings will climb do to the spacing of the ACORN videos.

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,609,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,340,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,986,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,522,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,362,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,040,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,573,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,164,000
CNN KING 965,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 882,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 734,000
CNN COOPER 691,000

You missed another crucial statistic.

9,999,999,999,999 flies all like to eat Shite.

113 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:08pm

re: #91 Buckeye Nation

Not from what I've read. Fox's ad revenue is through the roof. Plus, not all the companies Color of Change claim are boycotting Fox actually advertise with Fox.

Do yo have a link to either claim? If true, that would be very interesting.

114 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #105 LSD

from the link...

Bary initially claimed she hitchhiked her way to the Greyhound bus station in Columbus, Ohio and used money she had saved up from her job to buy the ticket to Orlando. Instead, investigators say she was driven to the bus station by a young pastor named Brian Williams (read more about him here). He baptized Bary in Columbus but has since moved to Kansas City. And the ticket, they say, was purchased under a fake name by someone in Orlando.


That's pretty much kidnapping.

115 arethusa  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:38pm

re: #7 bofhell


He wants to be Rush. Interesting role model, but that's my two bits.

I think he's already supplanted Rush as the face of the right. I'm not sure that's an improvement.

116 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:58:45pm

re: #94 Buckeye Nation

Agree.

Example: The boycotting of Whole Foods.

Man, did that fade fast.

You'd have a better chance separating the Olson Twins from their Cigarettes than a Liberal from Whole foods...Please they still haven't figured out a target rich environment...
/OK Beck..but other than that

117 cronus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:59:02pm
118 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:59:41pm

re: #117 cronus

Good, hopefully Harry will be gone by then.

119 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:59:51pm

re: #106 Wendya

Beck pulled in over 3 million viewers yesterday, far outpacing everyone else in that time slot . As long as he's pulling viewers in, Murdoch isn't going to let him go.


Concur. Just as Page 3 draws in plenty of readers for The Sun (one of Murdoch's) over the protestation of feminists and pietists alike.

120 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:17pm

re: #117 cronus

Breaking: Reid says climate bill may wait until 2010

Before or after a Republican wins his Senate seat?

121 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:17pm

re: #119 freetoken

Easy there, that's NSFW! (So I hear)

122 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:00:18pm

re: #117 cronus

Breaking: Reid says climate bill may wait until 2010

The closer they run it to the election, the less chance it has of passing.

123 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:07pm

re: #121 Guanxi88

Easy there, that's NSFW! (So I hear)

Hey, boycott it... see if Murdoch cares!

124 cronus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #122 Wendya

The closer they run it to the election, the less chance it has of passing.

Yep, the House bill has never stood a chance in the Senate and kicking it it to 2010 is basically an admission that it is not going to happen.

125 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Hi Buzz! I got a song for you to work on..
What is a Service dog? Cato? For as long as I can remember a Seeing eye dog could go anywhere..Rightly so..What the Hell is a service dog? Cato?
I'm sorry..But Winston only gets to go to Pet smart...I'm Sorry Cato..When I go out to eat I don't want your dog next to my table...Unless you are blind..
Service dog? Please explain bro

When you teach Winston to fetch a beer from the fridge for you, you can call him a service dog.

126 Bagua  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:41pm

re: #117 cronus

Breaking: Reid says climate bill may wait until 2010

Dear me, does he not know the impending peril? Apparently there's no hurry after-all.

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:01:54pm

re: #110 Guanxi88

also this...

But when the FDLE interviewed that teacher, she told them she offered up her house because Bary's brother was having parties with alcohol at the Bary home when their parents were out of town,

This is the brother raised in a strict radical Islamist home that would kill her for converting?

128 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:02pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Absolutely true, though it takes nothing away from the possibility daddy threatened to kill his daughter. (He said - she said) But Dad admits he was going to do something violent

129 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:40pm
130 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:41pm
131 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:45pm

re: #107 iceweasel

My liberal ass is damn fine, honey. And who would know better than yourself? ;)

How are you, cutie?

All things considered..I'm doing pretty damn good!
I hope today finds you well

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #128 LSD

He picked up a computer. Families have fights like this all the time.

133 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:02:59pm

re: #118 sngnsgt

Good, hopefully Harry will be gone by then.

as BO loses his mojo, expect Harry to jump ship...would not surprise me to see him throw in the towel

134 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:03:13pm

re: #106 Wendya

Beck pulled in over 3 million viewers yesterday, far outpacing everyone else in that time slot . As long as he's pulling viewers in, Murdoch isn't going to let him go.

[Link: tvbythenumbers.com...]

Agree with you and FT, Wendya. So long as the numbers are there, some advertisers will show. And all Murdoch cares about are the numbers.

135 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:03:35pm

re: #122 Wendya

Hey Wendya someone we both know wants to get a hold of you. I will pass on their email addy to you. My name is blue.:)))

136 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:04:04pm

re: #135 Erik The Red

Hey Wendya someone we both know wants to get a hold of you. I will pass on their email addy to you. My name is blue.:)))

It is now :)

137 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:04:41pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Yikes, never in my family.

138 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:04:42pm

I stopped watching Fox years ago for being scarcely different than CNN. I watched them less and less and had my fill with all day Anna Nicole Corpse Watch. I can turn on any network for fluff news- I expected better of them.

Now- they're not so much like CNN but rather more like a parody of themselves. Frankly- they deserve to have these advertisers yank themselves from the entire network. Maybe then they'd pull their head out of their ass and get back to reporting the news without the hyperbole and lies.

139 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:25pm

I wouldn't watch Beck even if I did own a TV, but having said that, advertising budgets are down all over. Is there any way to tell how much is backlash & how much is belt tightening?

140 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:05:41pm

These are advertising execs walking away from what could be a very lucrative situation for them. I can not imagine advertising execs (not known for their aversion to the bottom line) turning down 2-3 million viewers for that time slot very easily. But they are.

Sure, some of them are not needed by Fox right now -they can still sell time and will surely do so (albeit at a lower rate, according to the story) but it does speak to the massive credibility problem FoxNews has and is furthering by having that buffoon (among a dazzling array of other buffoons) on the air. Fox will be okay, but it has to be embarrassing when some of the greedier people in business want nothing to do with the #1 show in its time slot.

141 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:07:04pm

re: #130 Buckeye Nation

The author seems to think it's wrong of Imus to display racism, but sees nothing wrong with what beck did. I think they're both wrong.

142 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:07:20pm

re: #125 KenJen

When you teach Winston to fetch a beer from the fridge for you, you can call him a service dog.

I was sitting on the porch watching Winston tonight playing in the front yard chasing falling leaves and almost getting knocked on the head by falling walnuts... The look on his face! He'd run over and look like he is saying 'Did you see that Pops? Damn thing almost hit me!'
And run back to play...

143 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:08:08pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

What's wrong with Special Report w/ Bret Bier?


Nothing. It's a great policy, what's going on inside Washington type of show.

144 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:09:05pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Yeah- I'm thinking fake outrage has struck again.

145 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:09:47pm

re: #143 Buckeye Nation

What's wrong is television. I don't use it anymore. You should try it.

146 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:10:14pm

gotta go practice guitar.bbl

147 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:10:35pm
148 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:10:58pm

re: #142 HoosierHoops

I was sitting on the porch watching Winston tonight playing in the front yard chasing falling leaves and almost getting knocked on the head by falling walnuts... The look on his face! He'd run over and look like he is saying 'Did you see that Pops? Damn thing almost hit me!'
And run back to play...

Cute. The weather is changing. Time to put up Winston's surf board and bring out the snow sled.

149 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:16pm

re: #133 albusteve

as BO loses his mojo, expect Harry to jump ship...would not surprise me to see him throw in the towel

I, as a NV resident, will not miss him. I'm not alone.

150 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:44pm
151 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:11:47pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

Can you please tell me why I deserved a negative rating for posting a link from The Atlantic? Can't we have an open debate about this without all the negativity.

152 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:07pm

Any other guy would have been cut for losing that amount of support. This just lets you know what the Fox agenda really is plain and simple.

153 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:14pm

re: #151 Buckeye Nation

I already said why.

154 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:19pm

Question: I haven't dropped by here every day lately, but since this weekend it seems like a higher than average rate of flameouts/flouncing. Or is this a normal wacko/flame rate?

155 BlackFedora  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:41pm

What's funny is Alex Jones has been attacking Glenn Beck recently as a disinformation agent but I think he is attacking Glenn because Glenn is doing Alex's shchtick and making a ton more money at it probably.

156 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:12:44pm

Time for beer!
...and the new Donnie Dumphy song...

157 cronus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:05pm

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

OT

And here's the cover of an historical novel called "Mother of the Believers," about "the rise of Islam from the eyes of Prophet Muhammad's teenage wife Aisha."

Is that what we're calling 9 year olds these day?

158 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:06pm

re: #130 Buckeye Nation

[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]

I don't care if they fire him or not. I haven't called for MSNBC to fire that ass Olbermann so why would I give a rat's hindquarters about Beck being on the air?

159 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:07pm

Because Color of Change says, doesn't make it so. I didn't see in the piece how they collected their "data". I'm sure they wouldn't make shit up, though.

160 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #154 rwmofo

Question: I haven't dropped by here every day lately, but since this weekend it seems like a higher than average rate of flameouts/flouncing. Or is this a normal wacko/flame rate?

Only recent observation but there seem to be some reflouncers. They leave, they come back on some other account, they leave, etc.

161 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:13:48pm
162 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:14:47pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Time for beer!
...and the new Donnie Dumphy song...

hows about I skip the song and double up on the beer?

163 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:14:58pm

re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote

Any other guy would have been cut for losing that amount of support. This just lets you know what the Fox agenda really is plain and simple.

They haven't lost anything. The advertisers have moved out of that segment but this isn't a "Fox" boycott. In any event, advertisers aren't going to stay away from Fox's numbers.

164 cronus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:15:19pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Didn't you see Pre-Teen in Pink?

No but I have seen Six Candles

165 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:15:21pm

re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote

Any other guy would have been cut for losing that amount of support. This just lets you know what the Fox agenda really is plain and simple.

Hey LVQ!

I'd agree that Fox has an agenda, of course, but so long as Beck pulls in the viewers they are going to give him that time, imo.

166 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:23pm

What do you guys know about a blog called the People's Cube? I am on vacation with someone who posts there. Anything? I've never heard of it. He's heard of LGF of course.

167 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #160 Locker

Only recent observation but there seem to be some reflouncers. They leave, they come back on some other account, they leave, etc.

"reflouncers"

I learned a new word today.

168 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #162 brookly red

Yeah, It seem I'm the only one who gets Donnie. I think the guy's a genius.

169 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:16:56pm

re: #148 KenJen

Cute. The weather is changing. Time to put up Winston's surf board and bring out the snow sled.

Nope..First snow Winston and Harley are sitting in the Hot tub with sunglasses on and drinks in the holders...That's how I roll..New Avatar in 2 months...I hope they don't freak out over 104 degrees broiling water..It could get ugly...The pics will be priceless!
LOL

170 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:00pm

re: #166 KenJen

It's a pretty funny site.

171 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote

This just lets you know what the Fox agenda really is plain and simple.

It's called making money.

Same agenda as CNN and the rest. Fox saw an opening for picking up viewers CNN and the others were ignoring. It was a brilliant business decision.

172 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:17:49pm
173 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:18:13pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Yeah, It seem I'm the only one who gets Donnie. I think the guy's a genius.

hey I don't have a problem with em, I just perfer beer.

174 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:20:42pm

Something doesn't add up here...
Report: NYC terror plot was/is on scale of 9/11


Hundreds of FBI agents are on the ground in Colorado, conducting round-the-clock surveillance on five suspects - including a man who recently visited Queens, sources told The News…

“The FBI is seriously spooked about these guys planning another 9/11,” a former senior counterterrorism official told the News. “This is not some … FBI informant-driven case. This is the real thing.”…

The guy Colorado is walking around clueless...
Colo. man mentioned in NYC terror probe says 'everything normal,' not under investigation

A Colorado man whose name has been mentioned in connection with a New York City terrorism probe says he is not under investigation and that he's back to work as an airport shuttle driver.

A law enforcement official said Tuesday that the FBI had put Najibullah (Nah-JEEB'-ull-ah) Zazi (ZAH'-zee) under surveillance in connection with a suspected terror plot.

But the FBI in Denver says it cannot comment, and Zazi insists he's not under investigation. He says he recently visited New York City — and was briefly stopped by police on the George Washington Bridge — but that he's back to work.

Something doesn't add up here.

175 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:21:09pm

re: #123 freetoken

Hey, boycott it... see if Murdoch cares!

Who said boycott?

176 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:21:14pm

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

What is this "money" you speak of?

Something the MFM, especially the print media, know nothing about.

177 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:21:29pm

re: #165 iceweasel

Hey LVQ!

I'd agree that Fox has an agenda, of course, but so long as Beck pulls in the viewers they are going to give him that time, imo.

Audience numbers mean little if you are reducing your ad rates while maintaining high ratings (if the claim by CoC is accurate). Unless they can translate those numbers into fat advertising contracts with big names he could still be on the hot seat.

I don't think that will ever happen, of course. His numbers and his revenue are still well worth the hassle for Fox. And there are plenty more fish in the sea that will line up to advertise. But I do have a feeling it will get worse for Fox (re: Beck) before it gets better.

178 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:21:40pm

re: #166 KenJen

What do you guys know about a blog called the People's Cube? I am on vacation with someone who posts there. Anything? I've never heard of it. He's heard of LGF of course.

From that site, this is too funny: Cash for Clunkers

/// full of sarcasm!

179 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:22:05pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty funny site.

I've checked it out. Might take some getting used to. Communist satire?

180 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:22:36pm

re: #171 Wendya

It's called making money.

Same agenda as CNN and the rest. Fox saw an opening for picking up viewers CNN and the others were ignoring. It was a brilliant business decision.

Positioning is an important part of marketing, even if one player takes a hit it's like they are taking it for the team. Fox has positioned themselves pretty well, IMO.

181 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:18pm

re: #166 KenJen

What do you guys know about a blog called the People's Cube? I am on vacation with someone who posts there. Anything? I've never heard of it. He's heard of LGF of course.

Oh gosh, the People's Cube is really, really funny. I love their solid red cube and the directions that go with it. I was gonna order a couple for some old friends of mine who were nerdy enough to be into the Rubix Cube back when it first came out. Maybe this Christmas...

182 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:50pm

re: #165 iceweasel

Hey LVQ!

I'd agree that Fox has an agenda, of course, but so long as Beck pulls in the viewers they are going to give him that time, imo.

Hey,, Yahoo you are here!

183 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:23:58pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

And why were members of Congress briefed?

184 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:24:06pm

OT

ABC news has a reality show called Shark Tank.

Do you suppose the irony is lost on everyone?

185 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:24:14pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Something doesn't add up here...
Report: NYC terror plot was/is on scale of 9/11


Something doesn't add up here.

Hey, Chuck Schumer said it was nothing really, just a precautionary raid (what ever that means). Schumer wouldn't lie , would he?

186 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:24:29pm
187 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:25:52pm

re: #183 LSD

And why were members of Congress briefed?

If it was that serious why is they guy still walking around without the FBI talking to him. It's in a ll the papers so he knows he's under investigation.

188 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:26:25pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

It is very weird

189 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:26:56pm

re: #186 buzzsawmonkey

"You can't sing a love song doubled up! What kind of a love song do you think this is?"

--Golddiggers of 1933

before my time, & over my head. would it take too long to explaine?

190 albusteve  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:28:15pm

re: #189 brookly red

before my time, & over my head. would it take too long to explaine?

it's a missionary thing

191 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:28:16pm

Obama's Common Sense Streak continues...

The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

192 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:28:17pm

re: #165 iceweasel

Hey LVQ!

I'd agree that Fox has an agenda, of course, but so long as Beck pulls in the viewers they are going to give him that time, imo.

And Roger Aisles is well versed in the "Formerly Confederate Nation Strategy*."

*Trying to come up with a more PC term. ;)

193 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:25pm

re: #184 Noam Sayin'

OT

ABC news has a reality show called Shark Tank.

Do you suppose the irony is lost on everyone?

Who's on the motorbike?

194 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:48pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Obama's Common Sense Streak continues...

Yes but 3 million people won't know because Glenn Beck won't tell them.

//

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:29:48pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Something doesn't add up here...
Report: NYC terror plot was/is on scale of 9/11

Something doesn't add up here.

I agree. There's something off about this story. I've been waiting until more solid information comes out to post something about it.

196 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:30:56pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Obama's Common Sense Streak continues...

Watch as the same people who loudly supported the Patriot Act for years suddenly start to find things wrong with it.

197 KenJen  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:03pm

re: #193 Guanxi88

Who's on the motorbike?

Ralph Mouth?

198 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:57pm

re: #182 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey,, Yahoo you are here!

Hey baby! I'm in and out, I'm afraid...on phone even as I type this. Multi-tasking, poorly.

199 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:31:58pm
200 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:33:40pm

re: #196 Charles

Watch as the same people who loudly supported the Patriot Act for years suddenly start to find things wrong with it.

And vice versa.

201 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:34:57pm

re: #196 Charles

Unfortunately no doubt about it. Like George Will maybe? Buchanan?

202 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:35:01pm

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

/Who the heck is Lumbago? Was that the guy in Chicago with all the hair?

203 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:35:34pm

re: #195 Charles

It might have been a really botched investigation or a misreported story. I couldn't even venture a guess.

204 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:36:39pm

re: #200 JamesTKirk

And vice versa.

Whose ox is being gored?

205 Pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:36:46pm

re: #192 Gus 802

I think it is silly to contend that Fox in General and Beck in particular is only popular in the old confederacy.

I'm in Massachusetts and in the room I'm in right now 3 like him 3 hate him one is a kid and one can take him or leave him (me).

As I recall we spent an awful lot of blood and treasure to keep the south I'll have to go with Ben Franklin via the movie/play 1776 on this one:

Either learn how to live with them or give up and go home.

It took me a lot of years to recognize and get over my own bigotry against southerners, but I've come to the conclusion that the basic "I'm better than you" bigotry against southerners is no different that the Jim Crow's south's opinion of blacks and other groups at the time.

206 BatGuano  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:36:55pm

re: #165 iceweasel

Hi ice, of course Fox has an agenda as has all news outlets in this country since our founding. Beck's fate will be decided by revenue stream and I am certainly not a Beck fan. I abandoned the tv broadcast networks in favor of cnn because of their their nonpareil coverage of the 1st Gulf War. I left cnn for Fox just before 911.News is an ever changing business.

207 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:37:30pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

He picked up a computer. Families have fights like this all the time.

Many here would think about trashing there daughters computer if she had hooked up with Muslim fundamentalists instead of Christians on the net. The girl was likely told she was going to hell unless she switched faiths.

208 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:37:58pm

re: #196 Charles

Watch as the same people who loudly supported the Patriot Act for years suddenly start to find things wrong with it.

You bet. People who had no problems whatsoever with the Patriot Act and Bish/Cheney's unprecedented expansion of the power of the executive branch are suddenly going to rediscover civil liberties and become oh so concerned about the power of the executive branch.

Similarly, many of the left who were loudest about the Patriot Act and B/C's theories of executive power fell silent on Jan 20, and have no problem at all with those issues-- so long as it's a Dem in the WH.

And the people like me who complained about it under both admins have the joy of being called nuts by both sides, of course.

209 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:01pm

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

OT

And here's the cover of an historical novel called "Mother of the Believers," about "the rise of Islam from the eyes of Prophet Muhammad's teenage wife Aisha."

She did age. She wasn't nine for her entire life. When is the book set?

210 Pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:07pm

re: #195 Charles

Either way it's still a good sign the president that I disagree with on domestic issues seems to be on the ball on the War on Terror and in the end that is the most important issue.

You can always repeal bills but you can't unlose a war or un-die.

211 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:40pm

re: #182 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey,, Yahoo you are here!

I am so disappointed..You know the theory of light speed slowing down...It perfectly answered the issues of Universal expansion from the big Bang..
Dr.C.warned me about the math involved..But it fit perfectly for a Conspiracy theory for Expansion...Then some Scientist from the Nuker project ( you know those folks) came up with the math and graphics and ruined my day...
And on the history channel on a Universe today episode..That sucked Doc...
Slammed by the History Channel..The same guys that produce the Earth will end at 2012...

212 NospamforMO  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:44pm

So we are now relying on the numbers from the left wing org that started the whole thing? Wow.

We are also parsing - they look at "the amount of money spent by national advertisers " - What about ads from affiliates or regaional advertisers?

213 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:46pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Do you think there is ANY possibility they let him go to see what he does next? (Though a little hard to do now with all the publicity)

214 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:38:53pm

re: #204 MandyManners

Whose ox is being gored?

¯(°_o)/¯

215 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:40:30pm

re: #200 JamesTKirk

And vice versa.

Actually, no. The left wingers who supported Obama because they thought he was going to enact every little bit of their far left agenda are NOT happy with him at all.

216 brookly red  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:40:39pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

It might have been a really botched investigation or a misreported story. I couldn't even venture a guess.

Lots of "unconnected dots" for sure but nothing went boom in NYC today & I am OK with that... (O was in town too, no?)

217 shifty  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:41:49pm

Where are these numbers coming from? Because gee, I would never in a million years think that anyone would want to inflate their numbers to appear sucessful.

218 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:41:53pm

Speaking of advertising for Beck "programs" ...

Charles, do you have a way to request a specific advertiser from Google Ads for a particular thread?

Each time you post a video of Glenn Beck, I have a sudden need to find something which will alleviate gastric reflux.

/

219 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:42:38pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

I am so disappointed..You know the theory of light speed slowing down...It perfectly answered the issues of Universal expansion from the big Bang..
Dr.C.warned me about the math involved..But it fit perfectly for a Conspiracy theory for Expansion...Then some Scientist from the Nuker project ( you know those folks) came up with the math and graphics and ruined my day...
And on the history channel on a Universe today episode..That sucked Doc...
Slammed by the History Channel..The same guys that produce the Earth will end at 2012...

I'm pretty sure we will still be here in 2012...

As to GR, have you ever seen...
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

220 Salamantis  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:42:56pm

re: #215 Charles

Actually, no. The left wingers who supported Obama because they thought he was going to enact every little bit of their far left agenda are NOT happy with him at all.

Maybe the troglodyte isolationist paleocons and the anti-globalization Blac Bloc anarchist left can meet at ObamaHate Junction...;~)

221 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:43:08pm

re: #196 Charles

Watch as the same people who loudly supported the Patriot Act for years suddenly start to find things wrong with it.


Similarly, it will be interesting to see if all those on the left that railed against it under the Bush administration will suddenly see the value in it.

222 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #195 Charles

Here's what I think is off about the story - the NYPD and FBI, which have usually worked quite well together on matters of security, appear to have botched this one in a weird way. The FBI wanted to catch these guys in the act, but the NYPD wanted to stop the plot even before they moved into concrete steps in furtherance of an attack. The Daily News says that the NYPD flooded the field in Queens passing around photos of one of the guys central to this thing, and an imam in Queens appears to have tipped the guy off that investigators were looking for him.

That is quite unlike other similar terror investigations, including the synagogue bombing plot earlier this year and the JFK terror plot last year.

I'm not sure what changed - although the claim that the size and scope were on 9/11 scale may have spooked the NYPD into acting sooner rather than even giving the terrorists opportunity to plot this one.

Also, it appears that Congress was consulted because of the seriousness of the situation and FISA was duly informed and consulted in obtaining multiple warrants. Intel was gathered using FISA warrants domestically, a process that was amended because of perceived problems with the way Bush used the system.

223 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:44:09pm

re: #221 Ziggy

Similarly, it will be interesting to see if all those on the left that railed against it under the Bush administration will suddenly see the value in it.

Never mind. #215 was posted while I was typing.

224 LSD  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:19pm

re: #222 lawhawk

So what do you think the NYPD and Feds will do now?

225 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:21pm

re: #210 Pingemi

Either way it's still a good sign the president that I disagree with on domestic issues seems to be on the ball on the War on Terror and in the end that is the most important issue.

You can always repeal bills but you can't unlose a war or un-die.

Bill Clinton campaigned in the center and immediately tried to govern from the left. It took the wake-up call of the 1994 elections to get him back to reality.

Perhaps Obama is either (a) having an epiphany of his own, for whatever reason (the loud and widespread opposition to his policies which seems to have taken his entire party by surprise, or the total failure of his apology tour to unclench the Iranian fist, or something else, or all of the above) or (b) moving towards the center, not due to a change in philosophy but merely as an attempt at triangulation in order to influence a more favorable result for his party in 2010.

Either way, if he's doing the right thing at the moment, he deserves credit for it, and the hope that the "common sense trend" will continue as long as possible.

On the other hand, given his flip-flops and the inconsistencies in the past between what he's said and done, the need for vigilance still remains.

226 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:45:40pm

re: #205 Pingemi

I think it is silly to contend that Fox in General and Beck in particular is only popular in the old confederacy.

I'm in Massachusetts and in the room I'm in right now 3 like him 3 hate him one is a kid and one can take him or leave him (me).

As I recall we spent an awful lot of blood and treasure to keep the south I'll have to go with Ben Franklin via the movie/play 1776 on this one:

Either learn how to live with them or give up and go home.

It took me a lot of years to recognize and get over my own bigotry against southerners, but I've come to the conclusion that the basic "I'm better than you" bigotry against southerners is no different that the Jim Crow's south's opinion of blacks and other groups at the time.

It applies to the whole nation "The Southern Strategy." It's just a term that is common in usage with specific meaning and application. Having lived in the north I've experienced racism first hand for being Italian and Spanish. Nothing too harsh. When we started going camping "down south" we thought the people were friendly and charming. It's a generic term with real world applications but should not be use to advance anti-southern bigotry.

That's why I made the PC pun. It does have some bigoted connotations against southerners. It's probably important to put it in context with what you describe.

227 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:46:08pm

re: #193 Guanxi88

Who's on the motorbike?

Swing and a miss.

;)

228 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:46:28pm
229 Salamantis  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:48:50pm

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

If you read it, let me know.

There is, however, a difference between taking a "teenaged wife" and taking a 9-year-old one who later becomes a teen.

He actually took her for his wife when she was six; he first took her to bed when she was nine.

230 ~Fianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:50:22pm

re: #91 Buckeye Nation

Not from what I've read. Fox's ad revenue is through the roof. Plus, not all the companies Color of Change claim are boycotting Fox actually advertise with Fox.

Have you called every affiliate to verify that claim?

231 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #222 lawhawk

Here's what I think is off about the story - the NYPD and FBI, which have usually worked quite well together on matters of security, appear to have botched this one in a weird way. The FBI wanted to catch these guys in the act, but the NYPD wanted to stop the plot even before they moved into concrete steps in furtherance of an attack. The Daily News says that the NYPD flooded the field in Queens passing around photos of one of the guys central to this thing, and an imam in Queens appears to have tipped the guy off that investigators were looking for him.

That is quite unlike other similar terror investigations, including the synagogue bombing plot earlier this year and the JFK terror plot last year.

I'm not sure what changed - although the claim that the size and scope were on 9/11 scale may have spooked the NYPD into acting sooner rather than even giving the terrorists opportunity to plot this one.

Also, it appears that Congress was consulted because of the seriousness of the situation and FISA was duly informed and consulted in obtaining multiple warrants. Intel was gathered using FISA warrants domestically, a process that was amended because of perceived problems with the way Bush used the system.

This sounds very plausible. In any case, I don't trust this story very much at this point.

232 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:53:03pm

re: #215 Charles

Actually, no. The left wingers who supported Obama because they thought he was going to enact every little bit of their far left agenda are NOT happy with him at all.

I realize that anecdotes do not equal data, but none of my liberal friends has complained about Gitmo, Afghanistan, the Patriot Act, et alia for quite some time now... The vast majority of their complaints now, as they were last year and the year before, are directed at conservations, Republicans, "the rich", and all of the other boogeymen and usual suspects.

Sure, they might not be happy about what Obama is or isn't doing, but if they're willing to admit to that, it's still without the vitriol Bush got, and it's usually with some kind of excuse. For instance, regardless of the Democrat's numerical superiority in Congress and the revolt of their own centrist members, blame for inaction on Obama's policies is still widely cast upon Republicans. And no matter how many stimulus packages are attached to the economy like lead weights, three years from now people will still be blaming economic conditions on Bush -- unless the cycle corrects itself, in which case Obama will get the credit.

I realize that this is par for the course, that Clinton was blamed for a number of things (rightly and wrongly) during the Bush years; but I do not personally (remember, I'm speaking anecdotally here) see a lot of anger or rage at Obama because the lefties I know either figure "it ain't his fault" or "where else can we go?" ...also commonly heard, but from different people, during the previous decade.

233 ~Fianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:53:49pm

re: #222 lawhawk

Here's what I think is off about the story - the NYPD and FBI, which have usually worked quite well together on matters of security, appear to have botched this one in a weird way. The FBI wanted to catch these guys in the act, but the NYPD wanted to stop the plot even before they moved into concrete steps in furtherance of an attack. The Daily News says that the NYPD flooded the field in Queens passing around photos of one of the guys central to this thing, and an imam in Queens appears to have tipped the guy off that investigators were looking for him.

That is quite unlike other similar terror investigations, including the synagogue bombing plot earlier this year and the JFK terror plot last year.

I'm not sure what changed - although the claim that the size and scope were on 9/11 scale may have spooked the NYPD into acting sooner rather than even giving the terrorists opportunity to plot this one.

Also, it appears that Congress was consulted because of the seriousness of the situation and FISA was duly informed and consulted in obtaining multiple warrants. Intel was gathered using FISA warrants domestically, a process that was amended because of perceived problems with the way Bush used the system.

That's gotta be a hard place for NYPD to be. Your analysis seems reasonable - and while, if that's the case, they shouldn't have moved on their own, who'd wanna be the unit that coulda done something if the Feds screwed up and waited a day too long.

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #222 lawhawk

Here's what I think is off about the story - the NYPD and FBI, which have usually worked quite well together on matters of security, appear to have botched this one in a weird way. The FBI wanted to catch these guys in the act, but the NYPD wanted to stop the plot even before they moved into concrete steps in furtherance of an attack. The Daily News says that the NYPD flooded the field in Queens passing around photos of one of the guys central to this thing, and an imam in Queens appears to have tipped the guy off that investigators were looking for him.

That is quite unlike other similar terror investigations, including the synagogue bombing plot earlier this year and the JFK terror plot last year.

I'm not sure what changed - although the claim that the size and scope were on 9/11 scale may have spooked the NYPD into acting sooner rather than even giving the terrorists opportunity to plot this one.

Also, it appears that Congress was consulted because of the seriousness of the situation and FISA was duly informed and consulted in obtaining multiple warrants. Intel was gathered using FISA warrants domestically, a process that was amended because of perceived problems with the way Bush used the system.

Could be, we'll see.

235 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:55:09pm

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

If you read it, let me know.

Not likely.

236 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:55:21pm

re: #233 ~Fianna

Hey Fianna!

237 Wendya  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:57:49pm

re: #135 Erik The Red

Hey Wendya someone we both know wants to get a hold of you. I will pass on their email addy to you. My name is blue.:)))

Okay.

238 Cheechako  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:02:16pm

A few nights ago I watched a couple of hours of sit-coms on network TV. I noticed about 50% of the commercials were Public Service Announcements. And this was in "Prime Time". PSA's are normally run to fill in unsold advertising slots. Are there many PSA's on Beck's show?

239 Pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:08:34pm

re: #226 Gus 802

I stand corrected, no offense meant to a fellow Paisan.

240 ~Fianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:20:57pm

re: #236 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey Fianna!

Hey LVQ *hugs* and happy belated b-day.

241 Greengolem64  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:21:38pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Do they have shorter commercial breaks on his show now? I assume they still have the same amount of commercials and just put other companies in the vacant slots. Anyone know how it works?

No...seems to be fewer commercials...and only 3-4 commercial breaks through the hour. Also, Fox puts in more of their plugs. Beck now 'speaks' for up to 15mins at a stretch. The fewer commercial breaks is actually kind of refreshing. Would be nice if normal evening TV had the same 'reduced' format. :)

GG

242 Locker  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:28:50pm

re: #215 Charles

Actually, no. The left wingers who supported Obama because they thought he was going to enact every little bit of their far left agenda are NOT happy with him at all.

Hey I resemble that remark.

243 Pingemi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:44:09pm

re: #242 Locker

Well at least so far he is not letting the side down on the war so we can survive to disagree on issues.

Hard to argue from the grave.

244 FullRoller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:46:32pm

Yeah, color of change is certainly where I'd go for factual information on the subject... NOT!re: #16 Pianobuff

245 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:53:50pm

What's in a name Alert:
If a political group calls itself Colour of Change would it be racist to suspect the group of being a racist organization?

246 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:55:30pm

re: #134 iceweasel

Agree with you and FT, Wendya. So long as the numbers are there, some advertisers will show. And all Murdoch cares about are the numbers.

I think that pretty much explains the pile-on against Charles by the right-wing blogosphere -- once a critical mass was reached, no one was willing to risk losing readers and page hits by being the unpopular maverick who stood up for LGF.

(For me, this all played out in microcosm last summer, when I sided with Charles against pretty much everyone else on Discarded Lies, including the co-owners "evariste" and "zorkmidden", on the question: ¿Quien es más macho: Charles Johnson o Evariste & Lawrence Auster?)

P.S. As a rule of thumb, root against the blogger using a pseudonym and tag-teaming with a crypto white supremacist.

247 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:03:56pm

re: #230 ~Fianna

I have you personally called every company 'boycotting' GB and asked them if they are boycotting him and Fox News. Let me guess...no.

248 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 7:10:18pm

I Have you personally called every company 'boycotting' GB and asked them if they are boycotting him and Fox News. Let me guess...no.

249 crosspatch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:01:42pm

I have never seen any of those companies advertise on Beck's show anyway. All I see are Carbonite and Fox commercials. Most of these companies, when contacted, say they never advertised on Beck's show to begin with and that lines up with my viewing experience.

The ones I have seen responses from that have been published say they have stopped advertising on *all* political commentary shows of *any* sort on *all* networks.

250 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:07:18pm

Charles -

For what it is worth, 1/2 of BECK'S prior advertising income is STILL a BIG POT FULL OF MONEY - AND - Looks Like FOX is ready wiling and able to "Carry Him."
After all - He Gets RATINGS and SCALPS. One Hell of a Warrior, eh? If things get too silly or stinky - FOX will drop him just as CNN did. BECK is, as I am sure HE understands, EXPENDABLE. So far - Not There.

-S-

251 crosspatch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:08:43pm

And Beck currently has the third highest ratings of any show on any cable news and number one in his time slot beating CNN, MSNBC, and CNN-HLN combined.

While he might not be generating much revenue for FOX directly, he seems to be taking it away from the competition.

252 crosspatch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:15:07pm

Correction, Beck is number two overall of all cable news shows. He is number three in the 25-54 demographic.

253 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:40:15pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

What is a Service dog? Cato? For as long as I can remember a Seeing eye dog could go anywhere..Rightly so..What the Hell is a service dog? Cato?
I'm sorry..But Winston only gets to go to Pet smart...I'm Sorry Cato..When I go out to eat I don't want your dog next to my table...Unless you are blind..
Service dog? Please explain bro

Sorry, my friend, but in this case you're stinkin' ignorant.

"Unless I'm blind"?

There are service dogs now for

--diabetes
--hearing deficits
--epilepsy
--balance problems
--physical assistance (pulling wheelchairs in public, fetching things at home)

to name a few. Just because you've never seen one, don't assume they don't exist. There are dogs in hospitals who can find a melanoma too small for the doctor to see it with the naked eye. They sniff it out. Then the doctors can confirm and remove it. We have no clue how they do it, but they do it.

I am not obliged to fill you in on my personal medical condition, but because it's you, I will. My nick is blue. What I will tell you is that I see just fine, and my service dog, Haku, has saved my life more times than I can count.

Don't be ignorant. Check it out ([Link: www.ada.gov...] And if I meet your at a restaurant, shake Haku's paw first, then my hand. Without him, you wouldn't have the privilege to begin with.

254 norman1905  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:43:42pm

Beck's over the top, but who cares? It's entertaining.

Plus, the latest ACORN stuff is terrific.

255 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 9:54:37pm
256 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:02:42pm

re: #255 Darth Bubba

For you to equate Charles with Glenn Beck... eech.

257 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:05:21pm
258 freetoken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:10:05pm

re: #257 Darth Bubba

You weren't on OJ's legal team, were you?

259 Claire  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:13:31pm

I would feel a whole lot better about the boycott if there was not the White House/Van Jones/Color of Change connection. It feels/smells like revenge from on high, by proxy.

260 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:19:15pm
261 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:31:03pm

I'd say that Darth Bubba just lost his lightsaber duel with Charles. So long, flounceboy.

262 Hanoch  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 5:41:42am

And this is all because he expressed his view that Obama was a racist? The left has been tarring conservatives with the racist label from time immemorial. Here is Jimmy Carter with the the latest example. I won't hold my breath to see a similar protest from the left.

263 mrclark  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 6:19:34am

The Devil is always in the details people. I'm in the advertising industry across several media.

I can tell you from experience, August is always a low revenue month. August is a big vacation month. This 'fringe' group is merely taking advantage of that for PR purposes. They cite 'data collected'. Oooh, sounds sophisticated. What 'data' are they talking about and how did they 'collect' it?

I can tell you one thing, it didn't come from Fox. Anyone can get a media kit with ad pricing, calculate how many ads are on a show before/after the supposed 'boycott' and come up with numbers.

If one is calculating about it, one realizes that August is a slow month and you plan your 'boycott' accordingly. This falls right in line with your typical "outcome based" democrat models. LOL

264 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 8:40:05am
265 mrclark  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #250 Dr. Shalit

I just got word from my contact at Fox. He concurs with my conjecture about August simply being a bad month for advertising in general.

Moral of the story::: Hire a media planner to help make sure your 'boycott season' is aligned with traditionally slow advertising months.

File this under: "I question the timing"

266 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 12:09:29pm
267 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 3:31:41pm

And the flouncers flounce away...

268 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 8:31:17pm
269 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 9:09:13pm

It's a flounce fest!


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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191014After three weeks of meh pictures and invisible progress, we were determined to have something to photograph today. And we were eager to start on the upper shelf. We were close, but not quite there, and we were determined! To ...
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Jack Klatt - Highway Lines (Live at Radio Heartland)Jack Klatt performs 'Highway Lines' from his 2019 album, 'It Ain't The Same,' live in the studio of Radio Heartland at The Current.
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Brittany Howard Performing ‘13th Century Metal’ Live on KCRW Brittany Howard's solo debut album Jaime puts her powerhouse vocals on full display. It also takes us front and center to her very personal journey of loss, love and self-discovery. We're thrilled to welcome her back to KCRW to ...
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(15) Rodrigo Y Gabriela - Electric Soul (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents Rodrigo y Gabriela performing "Electric Soul" live in the KEXP gathering space. Recorded July 14, 2019. Host: Stevie ZoomAudio Engineers: Kessiah Gordon & Kevin SuggsAudio Mixer: David MarchantCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro, Luke Knecht & Justin WIlmoreEditor: ...
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Fresh Air (Remastered) Quicksilver Messenger Service Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group Fresh Air (Remastered) · Quicksilver Messenger Service Classic Masters ℗ 2001 Capitol Records, LLC Released on: 2007-01-01 Producer: Quicksilver Messenger ServiceStudio Personnel, Mastering Engineer: Robert VosgienComposer: Jesse Oris Farrow Auto-generated by YouTube. ...
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Jon Anderson - Song of SevenFrom the 1980 album "Song of Seven".
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191006 Today we have to take a few steps back in explanation. The pond is going to have three levels. Sort of an upside down ziggurat. The lowest level, in the center we call ‘the channel’. After the liner is ...
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Jon Anderson - Change We MustFrom the 1994 album "Change We Must".
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North Mississippi Allstars - ‘Drunk Outdoors’ [Audio Only]From the album 'Up and Rolling,' available October 4, 2019: geni.us
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