TIME: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?

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TIME Magazine’s David Von Drehle asks: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?

I don’t know why anyone would think a far right populist demagogue who rants and weeps in front of millions of people and spreads conspiracy theories straight out of the canon of the John Birch Society would be a bad thing.

Glenn Beck: the pudgy, buzz-cut, weeping phenomenon of radio, TV and books. Our hot summer of political combat is turning toward an autumn of showdowns over some of the biggest public-policy initiatives in decades. The creamy notions of postpartisan cooperation — poured abundantly over Obama’s presidential campaign a year ago — have curdled into suspicion and feelings of helplessness. Trust is a toxic asset, sitting valueless on the national books. Good faith is trading at pennies on the dollar. The old American mind-set that Richard Hofstadter famously called “the paranoid style” — the sense that Masons or the railroads or the Pope or the guys in black helicopters are in league to destroy the country — is aflame again, fanned from both right and left. Between the liberal fantasies about Brownshirts at town halls and the conservative concoctions of brainwashed children goose-stepping to school, you’d think the Palm in Washington had been replaced with a Munich beer hall.

The following show by itself should have been enough to thoroughly discredit Beck to any sane person.

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But the right wing didn’t even blink at it.

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523 comments

1 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:50:19pm

Just as bad as Olbermann.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:51:12pm

Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude crazier than Keith Olbermann.

3 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:52:07pm

Nice I just posted this one on the last thread. It seems there are large factions on both sides who don’t about anything as much as someone fighting the “other side”. Credibility be damned.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #2 Charles

Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude crazier than Keith Olbermann.

I couldn’t comment. I have never seen Olbermann in full swing, just heard the rumors.

5 ointmentfly  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:53:06pm

Holding breath for similar Olberman expose… and turning purple. Wonder if Obama will be on the next cover for the 50th time…?

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:53:08pm

re: #1 Ben Hur

I really wish the two would duke it out in the Blunderdome, but I fear it would degenerate from wimpy slap-fighting into sloppy kisses and awkward groping.

7 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:53:45pm

Two Wingnuts, One Cup.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:54:16pm

re: #5 ointmentfly

Holding breath for similar Olberman expose… and turning purple. Wonder if Obama will be on the next cover for the 50th time…?

Do you think Olbermann has similar influence at this time?

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:54:59pm

re: #7 Ben Hur

Damn, Ben! And here I thought I was gonna win the gross-out competition with my post.

I bow too your grossitude.

10 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe it will feature Olby having Allan Colmes riding on his shoulders?

11 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:55:55pm

re: #7 Ben Hur

Two Wingnuts, One Cup.

Why would you bring up that image that I’ve been trying to bury???

12 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:56:18pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think Olbermann has similar influence at this time?

Of course not. He is an apostle.

He had much more to scream about when he was a political “joo, ” so to speak.

13 Haole  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:56:33pm

Is “color for change” going after all the “Time” advertisers now?

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:57:05pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think Olbermann has similar influence at this time?

Nobody ever went to a leftist demonstration with signs saying “We Love Keith,” or “Olbermann for President.”

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:58:32pm

I think Time went easy on him. The article really wasn’t that tough.

16 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:58:58pm

The question wasn’t “Who’s Crazier…?”

The question (asked by Time Warner/CNN) was, “Is Glen Beck Bad for America?”

(and again, for the 324 and 1/2 times, I am no Beck viewer, or fan)

17 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:58:59pm

Is Glenn Beck bad for America? (music in background)

Can I narrow the field to just two possibilities?

Yes, you may.

Button A: Yes. Button B: Hell yes.

B.

Is that your final answer?

Hell yes. it is.

Prize music.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:59:07pm

re: #5 ointmentfly

Holding breath for similar Olberman expose… and turning purple. Wonder if Obama will be on the next cover for the 50th time…?

Last time I checked, Olby doesn’t promote Bircher ideology or engage in conspiracy mongering such as demonstrated in the above video.

19 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

I think Time went easy on him. The article really wasn’t that tough.

I agree. They soft-pedaled it quite a bit. For some reason the MSM is very reluctant to dig into the far right connections here.

20 ointmentfly  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:00:02pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think Olbermann has similar influence at this time?

Ok. Where was the time article when he was stirring the pot against Bush? I must have missed it. My point isn’t to defend Beck. He’s a goof. Time is one sided.

21 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:00:20pm

re: #14 Charles

Nobody ever went to a leftist demonstration with signs saying “We Love Keith,” or “Olbermann for President.”

[Link: www.zazzle.com…]

22 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:00:22pm

I thought that was largely a well put together article. He doesn’t answer his opening question, because I don’t think there is a clear-cut answer.

23 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:01:49pm

re: #21 cliffster

I imagine those are just flying off the shelves…

24 teleskiguy  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:01:55pm

Beck says a Morman revisionist historian who completely discounts the Enlightenment ideas of the founding fathers of this country is his hero.

Remember the movie Idiocracy? It would seem people are indeed getting dumber and dumber. Anybody who takes Beck seriously is a moron, and last I checked he has about 3 million viewers of his TV show per night.

God help us all.

25 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:04pm

I’m still cringing over the “creamy notations of bipartisanship.” I don’t think they were all that creamy to begin with, but the visual is just grossing me out, man.

26 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Last time I checked, Olby doesn’t promote Bircher ideology or engage in conspiracy mongering such as demonstrated in the above video.

Of course he doesn’t promote right wing nuttiness.

He promotes left wing nuttiness.

27 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:27pm

re: #21 cliffster

[Link: www.zazzle.com…]

OK, you dug up one t-shirt.

I can show you hundreds of signs from the tea party.

28 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Last time I checked, Olby doesn’t promote Bircher ideology or engage in conspiracy mongering such as demonstrated in the above video.

I believe that’s true, but in terms of inducing in me an acute desire to change the TV channel, I find Overbite and Madcow to be in the same league as Beck.

29 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:46pm

re: #2 Charles

Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude crazier than Keith Olbermann.

I worked with keith olbermann for a few years. He is as rotten a human being as I have ever worked with in 30+ years as a TV producer. I have to run, but take my word when I tell you Keith is not the most normal guy you’ll ever meet. And his brand of poison, while different from beck’s, smells almost as bad.

30 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:02:52pm

To say the least, I have made no secret of how much I dislike lib media droids like Olbermann and Colmes. Even so, it is a mistake to draw an equivalence between them and Beck. Olby and Colmes are obnoxious, arrogant, and pompous; and the former at least gets into some ridiculous emotionalism, but the actual content of their rants is pretty much standard soft liberalism (*yawn*).
Beck is everything they are stylistically, and then some, and adds something they don’t usually have: Bug-eyed crazy and potentially dangerous content and substance.

31 ExCamelJockey  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:03:05pm

Even if you’re not a part of his target audience, you have to admit that he is a gifted entertainer. $23 million dollars last year and only $2 million was his Fox contract … pretty impressive.

32 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:03:44pm
Beck is 45, tireless, funny, self-deprecating, a recovering alcoholic, a convert to Mormonism, a libertarian and living with ADHD. He is a gifted storyteller with a knack for stitching seemingly unrelated data points into possible conspiracies — if he believed in conspiracies, which he doesn’t, necessarily; he’s just asking questions. He’s just sayin’.

This is popular logic these days. Throw out wild conspiracies and say you’re just asking questions. What it really is is planting kookspiracy seeds, to be watered later with abundant hyperbole blown out of proportion.

A good example is the science czars bringing eugenics to America. Beck repeatedly said he wasn’t saying eugenics was coming, but then went on to keep pushing the idea eugenics is coming.

And when the audience doesn’t bother to think on how delusional it is- they give him legitimacy to carry on with the next kookspiracy. Sad.

So I would tell Time- he’s bad for America.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:03:57pm

re: #31 ExCamelJockey

Even if you’re not a part of his target audience, you have to admit that he is a gifted entertainer. $23 million dollars last year and only $2 million was his Fox contract … pretty impressive.

Yes, he’s very good at milking money out of gullible people.

34 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:04:22pm

Is Glenn Beck bad for America?

Without getting into how bad or any comparisons with others on the right, or anyone on the left, the answer is…

Yes.

35 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:04:33pm

Original report about the failure to support Marines in Afghanistan;

Editor’s note: McClatchy Newspapers foreign correspondent Jonathan S. Landay was embedded with U.S. Marine trainers as they, along with local troops, walked into a trap in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday.

McClatchy Newspapers

GANJGAL, Afghanistan — We walked into a trap, a killing zone of relentless gunfire and rocket barrages from Afghan insurgents hidden in the mountainsides and in a fortresslike village where women and children were replenishing their ammunition.

“We will do to you what we did to the Russians,” the insurgent’s leader boasted over the radio, referring to the failure of Soviet troops to capture Ganjgal during the 1979-89 Soviet occupation.

Dashing from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that air cover would be five minutes away.

U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren’t near the village.

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We’ve lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters.

Four U.S. Marines were killed Tuesday, the most U.S. service members assigned as trainers to the Afghan National Army to be lost in a single incident since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. Eight Afghan troops and police and the Marine commander’s Afghan interpreter also died in the ambush and the subsequent battle that raged from dawn until 2 p.m. around this remote hamlet in eastern Kunar province, close to the Pakistan border.

36 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:04:52pm

Didn’t they ask this same question about Rush Limbaugh when Clinton was first elected?

The answer is yes. Bad for America and bad the GOP.

37 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:05:02pm

re: #31 ExCamelJockey

Mikey Moore also got very wealthy fleecing his flock with easily debunked conspiracy theories and lies.

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:05:14pm

This post isn’t about Beck. It’s about this line in the article:

The creamy notions of postpartisan cooperation — poured abundantly over Obama’s presidential campaign a year ago

I’m looking at that line and wondering where the reporter got the idea from that there would be postpartisan cooperation. Where on the right did he see an indication that if Obama were elected, they would fall right in line and help craft liberal legislation? Were the press hallucinating that the conservatives would come over to their side if Obama were elected?

I could have told them differently, and I would have expected, if Obama lost, that the left would have continued to fight for their ideals as well.

I just wish the Hitler sign people would stay home.

39 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:05:36pm

re: #31 ExCamelJockey

A PT Barnum quote comes to mind.

40 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:09pm

Is highlighting what is wrong with right of center politics now the primary focus of Little Green Footballs?

41 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:11pm

re: #39 Danny

A PT Barnum quote comes to mind.

There’s a sucker born every minute.

42 teleskiguy  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:13pm

re: #33 Charles

Like what P.T. Barnum said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

43 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:34pm

Here we go again.

44 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #38 EmmmieG

This post isn’t about Beck. It’s about this line in the article:

The creamy notions of postpartisan cooperation — poured abundantly over Obama’s presidential campaign a year ago

I’m looking at that line and wondering where the reporter got the idea from that there would be postpartisan cooperation. Where on the right did he see an indication that if Obama were elected, they would fall right in line and help craft liberal legislation? Were the press hallucinating that the conservatives would come over to their side if Obama were elected?

I could have told them differently, and I would have expected, if Obama lost, that the left would have continued to fight for their ideals as well.

I just wish the Hitler sign people would stay home.

I’m looking at that line and wondering what the reporter was fantasizing about.

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:53pm

re: #40 patrickafir

Birchers are NOT right of center!

46 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:07:39pm

Killgore I gave you a late response last thread at: 527

47 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:07:40pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sounds like we’re back to, “They can’t bomb a Goddamn outhouse without my say-so.”

48 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:07:55pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Mikey Moore also got very wealthy fleecing his flock with easily debunked conspiracy theories and lies.

And now has an anti-capitalism screed hitting theaters later on this year.

49 arethusa  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:06pm

I think there is a problem with this article - not in content or what it says about Beck, but in that it illustrates how few media sources we actually have these days. Time Magazine is owned by Time Warner. Time Warner also owns Fox News’s major cable news competitor, CNN. I do have a problem with news sources that are no longer truly independent of other business enterprises taking indirect hits at the competition. It would be as if the Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch newspaper, did an unfavorable story on Wolf Blitzer because he competes with Murdoch’s Fox News for ratings. Or if CNN ran favorable stories on AOL, also owned by Time Warner, to drum up business.

Of course this is common practice now, but it makes me wonder if we still do have a free press.

50 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:09pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I think they’re far/extreme right (definitely right of center).

51 Haole  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:20pm

TIME: Is Glenn Beck Bad for Progressive America?

FIFY

52 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:36pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

Birchers are NOT right of center!


I think Birchers are on a whole ‘nother spectrum in a parallel universe.

53 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:47pm

re: #43 Charles

Here we go again.

Got the White Snake fired up and ready to go

54 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:49pm

re: #50 patrickafir

And Beck is mainstreaming their stuff. You don’t think that’s a problem?

55 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #40 patrickafir

No.

LGF is a weblog covering issues dear to both conservatives and US liberals.

56 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:09:36pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

I wasn’t talking about Glenn Beck and whether or not he’s a problem.

57 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:09:59pm

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

Sounds like we’re back to, “They can’t bomb a Goddamn outhouse without my say-so.”

What could possibly go wrong?

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #38 EmmmieG

I just wish the Hitler sign people would stay home.

Word up.

59 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #56 patrickafir

I wasn’t talking about Glenn Beck and whether or not he’s a problem.

Oh- well that happens to be the topic of this thread. Did you want to contribute something to the topic, or were you warming up for flouncing?

60 Athens Runaway  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:10:49pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

Birchers are NOT right of center!

Correct.

Also, collapsing a two-dimensional coordinate system (authoritarianism/libertarianism, conservatism/liberalism) down to one dimension (conservatism/liberalism) leads to huge distortions. Libertarians are not conservatives.

61 JSHos  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:11:42pm

In general, I don’t bother with Time Magazine anymore — MSM liberal “journalism”, and all that. But in this particular case, I have to say, Yes — Beck is bad for America, for many reasons that have been outlined here at LGF much more eloquently than I could ever do.

(But I really do despise Olberman. Beck makes me cringe and change the channel. Olberman makes me want to throw something at the t.v.)

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #46 DaddyG

Got it. I’d still feel better if more people were speaking up. Silence is consent and racism is political suicide.

63 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:12:39pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Beck says a Morman revisionist historian …
blockquote>

I hope you aren’t implying Skousen being Morman has anything to do with the weird politics? There was a long discussion yesterday about how his ideas are no where near doctrine or mainstream thinking in the LDS Church.

BTW- it is spelled Mormon.

Proceed with your regular discussion…

64 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:12:56pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

I was just asking a question. I’m sorry if it somehow offended you; I thought I was being civil. Also, I don’t know what “warming up for flouncing” means.

65 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:14:22pm

Wonder what Beck would make of the over 900 reverse swastikas on lampposts in Glendale California.


Here’s a photo.

Here’s the city’s explanation.

66 J.D.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:14:33pm
67 ted  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:15:09pm

Is Time Bad For America ?

68 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:15:22pm

re: #65 HelloDare

Wonder what Beck would make of the over 900 reverse swastikas on lampposts in Glendale California.

Here’s a photo.

Here’s the city’s explanation.

There are swastikas all over NYC.

It was an architectural detail at one point.

69 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:15:38pm

OT

Charles, on the ACORN bits you’ve been commenting on, I find that your position [paraphrasing] of “They’re corrupt, definitely investigate them, but there are way bigger problems right now” pretty compelling.

An interesting discussion on proportion from this [admittedly left wing] blogger.

[Link: www.salon.com…]

70 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:15:59pm

I really didn’t know Beck was a Mason. That explains a lot.

Mormonism is a direct offshoot of Freemasonry, and both have a love of “esoteric knowledge” and strange rituals and seekrit handshakes and kookspiracy-like beliefs. Which is why there are so many kookspiracy theories about them.

What I really want to know is - that Magic Underwear. Is it mandatory? Because, I’m thinking, anytime you find yourself almost taking him seriously, just picture him in this.

71 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #65 HelloDare

Without reading your explanation I’m guessing.

1) They were put up before WWII.

2) They are sansrkit.

72 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:16:55pm
73 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:22pm

re: #69 EastSider

OT

Charles, on the ACORN bits you’ve been commenting on, I find that your position [paraphrasing] of “They’re corrupt, definitely investigate them, but there are way bigger problems right now” pretty compelling.

An interesting discussion on proportion from this [admittedly left wing] blogger.

[Link: www.salon.com…]

Nice link. Greenwald is the man.

74 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #64 patrickafir

I was just asking a question. I’m sorry if it somehow offended you; I thought I was being civil. Also, I don’t know what “warming up for flouncing” means.

Your initial question was loaded with negative connotations toward LGF. Im guessing that might be what tweezed off Sharmuta.

75 arethusa  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #70 Cato the Elder

OT, but speaking of Freemasonry, has anyone else noticed it seems to be the major focus of the History Channel these days?

I blame Dan Brown.

/

76 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:57pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon


It’s the work of neo-Navajos.

77 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:18:02pm

re: #64 patrickafir

The owner of this site can post what he wants on his own blog. Full Stop.

78 bosforus  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:18:19pm

My answer would be: freedom of speech is a good thing.

79 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #19 Charles

I agree. They soft-pedaled it quite a bit. For some reason the MSM is very reluctant to dig into the far right connections here.

saving the good stuff for next summer/fall? or just typically MSM lazy?

80 Athens Runaway  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:18:39pm

re: #73 Locker

Nice link. Greenwald is the man.

At one time, GiGi was persona non grata.

81 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:19:09pm

re: #65 HelloDare

Wonder what Beck would make of the over 900 reverse swastikas on lampposts in Glendale California.

Here’s a photo.

Here’s the city’s explanation.

In fact, the sansrkit symbol is that of ever-lasting life, from birth to death and beyond. The soul does not die.

The reversal of the sansrkit symbol, the swastika, as Hitler used it is that there is no life after death. Just that much more insidious. It’s not just that you kill your enemy in this world, but you kill him in all other worlds too. Killing of the soul.

Or so has been my understanding.

82 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:19:12pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Got it. I’d still feel better if more people were speaking up. Silence is consent and racism is political suicide.

Fair enough. I am speaking up in my circles, on LGF and with my family. I’m very wary of the pendulum swinging to extremes in the case of race and politics and some of the weirdness on the right is imitating the weirdness on the left (and vice versa). Taking cues from silence could be dangerous- it could mean people agree, but it could also mean that they are tired of having to defend the indefensible and don’t want to engage the wings on either side. (my .02)

83 Flyovercountry  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:19:31pm

As bad as this psychotic break was, it is only number two in the Beck hit parade. I still think, “Oligarhy,” was crazier. I don’t believe Olberman to be crazy, just mean and emotional. Cramer on the other hand, for my entertainment money, his nightly Pshchotic episode is a hoot. This is why I cringe when folks on the left tell us our conservative leaders are Beck, Buchanan, and whoever else is pulling a nutter live on camera. True, we need someone to step up, but the left are not in a position to make that determination on our behalf. Personally, I still believe Romney, Guilianni, Gingrich, and other elected, or one time elected leaders will emerge as the head of the conservative movement.

84 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:20:02pm

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

It’s the work of neo-Navajos.

I think that’s the wrong Indians :)

85 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:20:31pm

re: #74 Danny

I disagree that it was loaded in any way. It was an honest question, and I definitely wasn’t looking to offend anyone.

86 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:20:42pm

re: #19 Charles

I agree. They soft-pedaled it quite a bit. For some reason the MSM is very reluctant to dig into the far right connections here.

I’m not sure if it’s reluctance, or inability too. As I stated in a previous thread, when 60 MINUTES first cam on air they were THE masters at sting and/ or ambush journalism. Over the years they went away from that. Stossel is the only one I recall doing anything near that in the MSM in the past decade or so and now, coincidentally, he’s moving FROM ABC to cable. Is it because ABC and the like do not want to do investigative reporting anymore? I would have to conclude yes

87 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #29 _RememberTonyC

I worked with keith olbermann for a few years. He is as rotten a human being as I have ever worked with in 30+ years as a TV producer. I have to run, but take my word when I tell you Keith is not the most normal guy you’ll ever meet. And his brand of poison, while different from beck’s, smells almost as bad.

turn can’t stand the guy. Much more difficult for me to watch Olbermann than Beck, but then again I try and avoid both of them like the plague. Olbermann’s innuendo makes me very angry.

88 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:21:44pm

re: #77 Sharmuta

I didn’t dispute that, of course.

89 MJ  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:22:27pm

re: #73 Locker

Nice link. Greenwald is the man.

Greenwald is an anti-Israel crazy who spins conspiracy theories around the participation of the pro-Israel community.
He’s a jerk.

90 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:22:55pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Original report about the failure to support Marines in Afghanistan;

DAMMIT

why do we have to care more about their human shields and ammo carriers than we do about our own troops?

Bush did the same thing in Iraq for years, until he finally let Petraeus let the guys fight hard for a while.

91 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:23:19pm

re: #66 J.D.

Not again.

The reporter who was embedded with the ambushed troops has several articles posted here

92 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:24:03pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon

Without reading your explanation I’m guessing.

1) They were put up before WWII.

2) They are sansrkit.

Yeah. Wikipedia has a good page on it. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

93 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #65 HelloDare
Interpreting symbols outside of their authors intent is a bad idea. Unfortunately ever once in a while an ideology comes along and associates ideas with symbols and ruins their original intent. Another good example is confusion of an upside down star representing Venus (the star of the morning) and its path through heaven as a symbol of Jesus Christ. Sometime in the 19th century the satanists used the upside down star inside a pentagram and that’s what is associated with it now.

I still have people telling me that the star windows in one of our religious buildings are a secret sign of Satanism.

Symbols mean what they mean to the authors and they shouldn’t be interpreted outside of that context.

(Come to thin of it Hitler ruined the whole narrow mustache thing too./)

94 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:24:38pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

I’m not sure if it’s reluctance, or inability too. As I stated in a previous thread, when 60 MINUTES first cam on air they were THE masters at sting and/ or ambush journalism. Over the years they went away from that. Stossel is the only one I recall doing anything near that in the MSM in the past decade or so and now, coincidentally, he’s moving FROM ABC to cable. Is it because ABC and the like do not want to do investigative reporting anymore? I would have to conclude yes


CORRECTION ,, there’s also the show that catches scumbag men going to meet what thyey think are teens for sex

95 J.D.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The reporter who was embedded with the ambushed troops has several articles posted here

Thanks, Kragar. I’ll read those for certain.

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:25:43pm

re: #93 DaddyG

This is a little more pop-culture, but “Helter Skelter” is actually a very nice little pop song.

Too bad Manson ruined it.

97 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:26:26pm

re: #81 marjoriemoon

In fact, the sansrkit symbol is that of ever-lasting life, from birth to death and beyond. The soul does not die.

The reversal of the sansrkit symbol, the swastika, as Hitler used it is that there is no life after death. Just that much more insidious. It’s not just that you kill your enemy in this world, but you kill him in all other worlds too. Killing of the soul.

Or so has been my understanding.

As far as I know, swastikas all the way back to antiquity have always gone in both directions. Someone may have come up with different meanings depending on whether they’re spinning to the right or the left, but I would guess that came well after the fact.

It’s one of the most ancient sun symbols, and it’s also a rune. What is a major feature of most runes? Straight lines. Easier to scratch into a hard, non-perishable surface. Curved lines are much harder. Hence “sun with rays” became the swastika.

One of the minor sins of the Nazis was to ruin a perfectly good symbol for all time. I feel sorry for that California town, but I think they should keep their lampposts as a thumb in the eye of stupidity.

98 bosforus  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #94 sattv4u2

CORRECTION ,, there’s also the show that catches scumbag men going to meet what thyey think are teens for sex

Don’t forget CHEATERS!

99 Drogheda  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:26:55pm

re: #65, #92 HelloDare
re: #68 Ben Hur
re: #71 marjoriemoon

RE: Swastikas in architecture, Indians usage of swastikas

Wikipedia also has a rather extensive pageon the use of swastikas in the early 20th century.

If you read the section on Native American usage of the swastika symbol you’ll see mention that shortly after the start of WW2 several tribes renounced the usage of the symbol due to its desecration.

100 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:27:07pm

re: #89 MJ

Greenwald is an anti-Israel crazy who spins conspiracy theories around the participation of the pro-Israel community.
He’s a jerk.

Isn’t he also, like, the original sockpuppet?

101 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:27:10pm

re: #83 Flyovercountry

Personally, I still believe Romney, Guilianni, Gingrich, and other elected, or one time elected leaders will emerge as the head of the conservative movement.

Rudy and Newt have too much baggage, imo, to serve as national elected leaders. I think Newt would serve the GOP best as head of the RNC- where he can develop some leadership training, as it’s sorely needed. He’s also written quite a bit concerning energy and science- he accepts AGW. He’s the sort of leader we need behind the scenes getting the GOP back on track.

Rudy is considering a run for NY governor, and should he do that and win, would be in a great position to help with the governors interests.

This leaves Mitt. At this point, he’s the person I’m looking at to steer the GOP away from the fringes. Someone else might come along who could be better, but at this point, I don’t see who. I think his winning the nomination in 2012 could be a stake through the heart of the theocratic wing of the far right. If for nothing else- it would be worth getting him the nomination just to put these people in their place.

102 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:27:59pm

re: #93 DaddyG

Interpreting symbols outside of their authors intent is a bad idea. Unfortunately ever once in a while an ideology comes along and associates ideas with symbols and ruins their original intent. Another good example is confusion of an upside down star representing Venus (the star of the morning) and its path through heaven as a symbol of Jesus Christ. Sometime in the 19th century the satanists used the upside down star inside a pentagram and that’s what is associated with it now.

I still have people telling me that the star windows in one of our religious buildings are a secret sign of Satanism.

Symbols mean what they mean to the authors and they shouldn’t be interpreted outside of that context.

(Come to thin of it Hitler ruined the whole narrow mustache thing too./)

Another use of the 5 pointed star with the single point down: [Link: www.army.mil…]

103 MJ  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:28:35pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Isn’t he also, like, the original sockpuppet?

Right! I’d forgotten that. Great memory Cato.

104 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #85 patrickafir

I’m sure it was honest, and I accept that you didn’t intend the question negatively. My apologies.

105 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #19 Charles

I agree. They soft-pedaled it quite a bit. For some reason the MSM is very reluctant to dig into the far right connections here.

Why would they? Exposing this BS now gives a whole year to regroup and recover from the embarrassment. Better to hang on to this ammo until closer to the midterms.

106 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:30:01pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Isn’t he also, like, the original sockpuppet?

Socky Sockpuppet himself.

107 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:30:25pm

re: #29 _RememberTonyC

I worked with keith olbermann for a few years. He is as rotten a human being as I have ever worked with in 30+ years as a TV producer. I have to run, but take my word when I tell you Keith is not the most normal guy you’ll ever meet. And his brand of poison, while different from beck’s, smells almost as bad.

didn’t murdoch bring olby over for interviews and decide against hiring him because of the crazy?

108 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:31:14pm
109 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:13pm

I don’t know the answer to that question, but I do know that Time Magazine is no help to America or her security or prosperity.
Speaking of who’s bad for America: Pelosi needs to just go. Go away.

110 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:20pm

re: #101 Sharmuta

Rudy and Newt have too much baggage, imo, to serve as national elected leaders. I think Newt would serve the GOP best as head of the RNC- where he can develop some leadership training, as it’s sorely needed. He’s also written quite a bit concerning energy and science- he accepts AGW. He’s the sort of leader we need behind the scenes getting the GOP back on track.

I like everything that you say. I’m wondering why it is that you think Newt has too much baggage?

111 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:28pm

My bet is deleted before this gets posted

112 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:44pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Socky Sockpuppet himself.

Yep, Glenn Greenwald is really a major creep. He has attacked me personally in a very dishonest way, taking quotes out of context and attributing ideas to me that I never espoused.

I hate that I agree with him on anything. But I do agree that the ACORN story is being heavily exploited and pumped up way beyond what it really deserves.

113 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #104 Danny

Thanks, Danny. As someone who rarely stops in (let alone comments), I just wanted to ask because it seems like things have changed significantly since I first started coming here 8 years ago. Even Edmund Burke acknowledged (in his own way) that change is inevitable.

114 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:52pm

Hmmm, I was wrong

115 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:33:18pm

re: #110 cliffster

The affair thing I think she’ll say, don’t necessarily agree with that.

116 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:33:25pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:33:48pm

re: #108 mollyshark

What’s boring is people who have nothing better to contribute to the thread except to say they’re bored.

118 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:33:51pm

jeeze that was quick

119 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #116 Danny

LOL

Off by like 30 seconds

120 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:16pm

re: #118 turn

jeeze that was quick

Stinky is no slouch.

121 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:25pm

Is Glenn Beck bad for America? Yawn. Change the channel.

Is Keith Olbermann bad for America? Yawn. Change the channel

Are elected politicians who routinely say “We need to make the rich pay their fair share,” knowing that legislation they want to implement will cause consumer prices to rise for everyone, bad for America? YES!

122 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:31pm

re: #89 MJ

Greenwald is an anti-Israel crazy who spins conspiracy theories around the participation of the pro-Israel community.
He’s a jerk.

Prove it.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:38pm

re: #115 turn

The affair thing I think she’ll say, don’t necessarily agree with that.


It’s not so much the affair as a pattern of treating his significant others poorly.

124 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #112 Charles

Yep, Glenn Greenwald is really a major creep. He has attacked me personally in a very dishonest way, talking quotes out of context and attributing ideas to me that I never espoused.

I hate that I agree with him on anything. But I do agree that the ACORN story is being heavily exploited and pumped up way beyond what it really deserves.

And the fact that you can agree with someone when he’s right, even when he’s a twit, is why I read this site.

By the way, finally got around to ordering Snow Leopard through your link today. Thanks for everything you do.

125 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:35:48pm

re: #80 Athens Runaway

At one time, GiGi was persona non grata.

Still is, so far as I’m concerned.

126 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:35:51pm

A little OT: Here’s a resource that may come in handy, given all the discussion and conflicting information about “czars”.

WAPO’s Chart of Czars

This is pretty good, actually.

127 Flyovercountry  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:36:08pm

re: #110 cliffster

I like everything that you say. I’m wondering why it is that you think Newt has too much baggage?

Newt is as dispised on the left as Hillary is on the right. Even though he was eventually cleared and exhonerated of all allegations, you can expect an endless reporting of the ethics charges levied against him while he was the House Speaker. One thing I learned from my single forray into an American court, truth is not needed to level and allegation. This is especially true for the MSM and conservatives.

128 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:36:23pm

re: #121 rwmofo

Is Glenn Beck bad for America? Yawn. Change the channel.

Is Keith Olbermann bad for America? Yawn. Change the channel

Are elected politicians who routinely say “We need to make the rich pay their fair share,” knowing that legislation they want to implement will cause consumer prices to rise for everyone, bad for America? YES!

Yawn, change the congress in 2010.

;-) couldn’t resist.

129 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:36:32pm

re: #120 DaddyG

Stinky is no slouch.

Don’t eva mess wit stinky. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American. My review went well and I’m getting a whopping 1% increase (which is actually better than the 0% most people are getting).

130 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:36:48pm

re: #113 patrickafir

Thanks, Danny. As someone who rarely stops in (let alone comments), I just wanted to ask because it seems like things have changed significantly since I first started coming here 8 years ago. Even Edmund Burke acknowledged (in his own way) that change is inevitable.

I agree that things have changed, but I think it’s because the world’s in a different place now than it was 8 years ago.

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:37:13pm

re: #110 cliffster

I like everything that you say. I’m wondering why it is that you think Newt has too much baggage?

I don’t think he’ll ever shake the ‘Gingrich who stole Christmas’ label the MSM anointed him with. He was demonized in the 90s, and I think it will continue to plague him.

132 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:37:26pm

WE GOT ONE!

Terror mastermind Noordin Top killed in Indonesia

Special forces raided a hide-out Thursday and killed militant mastermind Noordin Muhammed Top, striking at the heart of the terrorist network behind a deadly campaign of suicide attacks in Indonesia, including the Bali nightclub bombings.

It was the latest success against terror figures worldwide, starting with a U.S. missile that took out a key Taliban commander in Pakistan last month.

Besides knocking out Southeast Asia’s most-wanted man, Thursday’s operation also netted a fugitive bombmaker believed to have designed explosives for twin suicide bombings at luxury hotels in Jakarta in July.

133 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:37:49pm

re: #107 funky chicken

didn’t murdoch bring olby over for interviews and decide against hiring him because of the crazy?

Don’t know about that one. But he did work for FOX Sports (and Murdoch) for awhile after he left ESPN

134 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:37:54pm

re: #126 Pianobuff

A little OT: Here’s a resource that may come in handy, given all the discussion and conflicting information about “czars”.

WAPO’s Chart of Czars

This is pretty good, actually.

You know someone could start a cottage industry in DC selling “maps to the czars homes”.

135 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:03pm

re: #112 Charles

Yep, Glenn Greenwald is really a major creep. He has attacked me personally in a very dishonest way, taking quotes out of context and attributing ideas to me that I never espoused.

I hate that I agree with him on anything. But I do agree that the ACORN story is being heavily exploited and pumped up way beyond what it really deserves.

Fair enough—didn’t mean to link to someone who had disrespected you directly, but my LGF history had a bit of a record gap.

Agree w/ Cato, encouraging to see people that have the ability to agree with an idea even if spouted from a *** source.

136 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:24pm

re: #123 EmmmieG

It’s not so much the affair as a pattern of treating his significant others poorly.

I really don’t think that could be used as a seious issue in a campain against him, just my opinion. Now I’m out of here - take care

137 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:32pm

re: #110 cliffster

I like everything that you say. I’m wondering why it is that you think Newt has too much baggage?

research his first divorce

then research that he was screwing his secretary (cheating on his 2nd wife) while he was helping lead the Clinton impeachment nonsense.

138 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:50pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Looks like the jihadis will need a new Top dog…

139 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:39:12pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool. Meanwhile, TOTUS has calmly tossed our Eastern European allies under the bus by stripping them of missile defense.
Sounds dangerous to me.

140 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:39:21pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

I don’t think he’ll ever shake the ‘Gingrich who stole Christmas’ label the MSM anointed him with. He was demonized in the 90s, and I think it will continue to plague him.

I also think he’s much to happy being an academic and policy wonk to throw his carcass back in the meat grinder again. He’s more likely to be an advisor or pundit in the future.

141 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:39:27pm

re: #136 turn

oh, and I have the opinion because I really like Newt’s politics, plus he gets it right technology wise. Big nanotechnology supporter too.

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:39:37pm

re: #115 turn

Maybe next time you should either keep your assumptions about me to yourself, or quit making assumptions about me.

143 patrickafir  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:39:52pm

re: #130 Danny

So much for “permanent things.” ;-)

144 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:40:25pm

re: #135 EastSider

Fair enough—didn’t mean to link to someone who had disrespected you directly, but my LGF history had a bit of a record gap.

Agree w/ Cato, encouraging to see people that have the ability to agree with an idea even if spouted from a *** source.

Same here. I’m hoping that MJ will give me something to read about the anti-israeli conspiracy theories. That sounded disturbing.

145 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Maybe next time you should either keep your assumptions about me to yourself, or quit making assumptions about me.

ok calm down, then what was the reason sharm?

146 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:40:48pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Maybe next time you should either keep your assumptions about me to yourself, or quit making assumptions about me.

That’s no fun. It is so much more entertaining to watch people try to mind read each other through their comments and then argue why it ain’t so. /

147 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:40:50pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WE GOT ONE!

Terror mastermind Noordin Top killed in Indonesia

Special forces raided a hide-out Thursday and killed militant mastermind Noordin Muhammed Top, striking at the heart of the terrorist network behind a deadly campaign of suicide attacks in Indonesia, including the Bali nightclub bombings.

It was the latest success against terror figures worldwide, starting with a U.S. missile that took out a key Taliban commander in Pakistan last month.

Besides knocking out Southeast Asia’s most-wanted man, Thursday’s operation also netted a fugitive bombmaker believed to have designed explosives for twin suicide bombings at luxury hotels in Jakarta in July.

Three’s a pattern. If you’re a top terrorist you’d better be *** bricks right now.

148 CinnamongirlUF  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:40:53pm

Havn’t read all the comments, but Glen rocks…Olby sucks

149 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:01pm
Between the liberal fantasies about Brownshirts at town halls and the conservative concoctions of brainwashed children goose-stepping to school

I owe this guy a beer.

150 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:04pm

re: #70 Cato the Elder

PIMF: “I really didn’t know Beck was a Mormon.”

To the two who downdinged me: If you’re Mormons, or Masons, and I’ve offended you - tough.

The historical truth is that Masonry was the second-biggest source for Mormonism after Christianity. Their secret rituals and handshakes are in some cases virtually identical.

And the hysterical truth is that Magic Underpants are just damn funny…

151 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:05pm

re: #145 turn

Scroll up.

152 MJ  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #122 Locker

Prove it.

Locker, you’re welcome to defend Glenn Grennwald along with his antisemitic pal Chas. Freeman. I have better things to do with my life than waste one more minute of my life on that jerk.

153 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:15pm

re: #139 tradewind

Cool. Meanwhile, TOTUS has calmly tossed our Eastern European allies under the bus by stripping them of missile defense.
Sounds dangerous to me.

terrorists have a lot of ICBMs these days?

154 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:16pm

re: #123 EmmmieG

Events since the nineties have overtaken Newt’s bad conduct to the point of rendering it moot.

155 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:22pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

I don’t think he’ll ever shake the ‘Gingrich who stole Christmas’ label the MSM anointed him with. He was demonized in the 90s, and I think it will continue to plague him.

I figured that’s what you meant. I don’t know how much it would matter. It’s not like people who hate him are going to choose Mitt over Obama. Hard to say whether the people who would be on the fence would have internalized any of the ridiculous imagery with which he was painted before.

One thing he can say though - “We balanced the budget on my watch”. And excess spending is going to be the conversation du jour for awhile, whether you like how it got there or not..

156 ExCamelJockey  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I absolutely despise Michael Moore, but ya, I’d put him in the same category as Beck. Both are great polarizing entertainers at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

157 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:01pm

re: #147 EastSider

Three’s a pattern. If you’re a top terrorist you’d better be *** bricks right now.


Heh. Honey bad news. I just got promoted to Supervisory Jihadist.

158 RedHouseBlueState  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:01pm

My question, why does it matter? In a free country, We The People are supposed to be in charge of our own destiny, who cares what he spouts on TV? Don’t like it? Turn it off.

Personally, I’ve never watched his show, the only thing I know about him is passing references to him in on the internet, that I ignore anyway.

What I want to know is just who in the hell does Time think they are to even ask such a question? Are they positing themselves as the final arbiter of what is and what is not free speech?

Does disagreeing with that disgusting rag Time’s editorial leanings now mean some one is not good for America?

If not agreeing with Time means I’m on Time’s list of what’s not good for America, then please, please, PLEASE put my my royal polish ass at the top of that list!

159 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:05pm

re: #146 DaddyG

That’s no fun. It is so much more entertaining to watch people try to mind read each other through their comments and then argue why it ain’t so. /

haha, that’s what I was doing. Pretty dumb, sorry

160 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:06pm

re: #153 EastSider

terrorists have a lot of ICBMs these days?

Putin’s a harmless kitty cat?

161 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:11pm

re: #148 CinnamongirlUF

Havn’t read all the comments, but Glen rocks…Olby sucks

Yeah, who cares if he’s legitimizing the ideas of the John Birch Society? Yay, Glenn.

Good grief.

162 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:15pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

I don’t think he’ll ever shake the ‘Gingrich who stole Christmas’ label the MSM anointed him with. He was demonized in the 90s, and I think it will continue to plague him.

I don’t think “baggage” is Newt’s problem. It’s how effective he is. Regardless the MSM would go into another feeding frenzy if he were to run for an elected position or take an appointed cabinet position.

163 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:27pm

re: #152 MJ

Locker, you’re welcome to defend Glenn Grennwald along with his antisemitic pal Chas. Freeman. I have better things to do with my life than waste one more minute of my life on that jerk.

And here I was all willing to read and stuff. If you change your mind I’d be happy to look at whatever but when you hit someone that harshly with accusations I’m always gonna ask for a reference. Peace.

164 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:39pm

Beck fans incoming.

165 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:29pm

re: #157 DaddyG

Heh. Honey bad news. I just got promoted to Supervisory Jihadist.

Yeah, and they just raided some places in Queens. A little scary being close to home, but good to see law enforcement winning.

166 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:38pm

re: #140 DaddyG

I also think he’s much to happy being an academic and policy wonk to throw his carcass back in the meat grinder again. He’s more likely to be an advisor or pundit in the future.

I think it suits him. I’m concerned about his flirting with the theocratic wing of the party, but I still think he could be valuable in establishing leadership development with the RNC. That’s where I would ideally like to see him, but who knows if it will ever happen. I’m sure punditry would pay him the best.

167 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:50pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Maybe next time you should either keep your assumptions about me to yourself, or quit making assumptions about me.

I assumed you were not going to like being assumptionated.

168 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:53pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

Scroll up.

They demonized him about what? I’m not trying to be pissy here, wasn’t it about his relationships with women mostly?

169 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:44:01pm

re: #148 CinnamongirlUF

Havn’t read all the comments, but Glen rocks…Olby sucks

You seem to be missing the option that perhaps they both suck

170 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:44:27pm

“creamy notions of postpartisan cooperation”

LOL.

“Postpartisan” is one of those Washington, D.C. words for the ignorant masses, like “assault weapon”.

171 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #160 OldLineTexan

Putin’s a harmless kitty cat?

Not at all. But ask Georgia how much a missile shield would have helped.

172 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:44:47pm

re: #112 Charles

No amount of pumping up this story could even out the playing field where ACORN’s sordid history is concerned, since it’s been ignored for years.

173 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:45:19pm

re: #171 EastSider

Not at all. But ask Georgia how much a missile shield would have helped.

Did they fire missiles at Georgia?

Missile shields are for ICBMs, etc.

174 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:45:34pm

re: #155 cliffster

I figured that’s what you meant. I don’t know how much it would matter. It’s not like people who hate him are going to choose Mitt over Obama. Hard to say whether the people who would be on the fence would have internalized any of the ridiculous imagery with which he was painted before.

One thing he can say though - “We balanced the budget on my watch”. And excess spending is going to be the conversation du jour for awhile, whether you like how it got there or not..

Yeah- they kicked Newt to the curb and fiscal conservatism went with him. What really upsets me is now fiscal conservatism is considered auditing the Fed, and not balancing the budget and reforming Congressional spending. It’s depressing.

175 the historian  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:45:58pm

This nation is based upon freedom and liberty. Free speech is an integral part of that formula. If a gas back like Beck wants to vent his spleen, so be it. The vast, vast, make that vast majority of Americans do not even listen to his rants, let alone hear what he is saying.

176 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #168 turn

The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas…

You think that was about women?

177 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:25pm

re: #163 Locker

And here I was all willing to read and stuff. If you change your mind I’d be happy to look at whatever but when you hit someone that harshly with accusations I’m always gonna ask for a reference. Peace.

try google

178 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #168 turn

They demonized him about what? I’m not trying to be pissy here, wasn’t it about his relationships with women mostly?

He supposedly asked his wife to sign divorce papers while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery and still groggy from anesthesia. The left had a heyday with that one.

179 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #150 Cato the Elder

PIMF: “I really didn’t know Beck was a Mormon.”

To the two who downdinged me: If you’re Mormons, or Masons, and I’ve offended you - tough.

The historical truth is that Masonry was the second-biggest source for Mormonism after Christianity. Their secret rituals and handshakes are in some cases virtually identical.

And the hysterical truth is that Magic Underpants are just damn funny…


There are commonalities between masonic ritual and Mormon temple ritual that have to do more with sacred/secret societies than the doctrines taught in either organization. If you want to know the truth you can discuss it with some very well versed Masons who happen to be LDS and who post in forums on line.

There is nothing “magic” or funny about the sacred garment worn after someone has gone through the temple for the first time. Stories of rare miracles notwithstanding the garment “protects” us by insuring modesty and reminding us of our covenants and to obey God.

Would you make fun of a prayer shawl?

(I didn’t ding you but please have a bit more class and don’t presume to tell me about my beliefs then laugh about what you told me I believe which I don’t believe.)

180 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:56pm

re: #168 turn

They demonized him about what? I’m not trying to be pissy here, wasn’t it about his relationships with women mostly?

That was my comment, not Sharm’s.

181 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #178 Danny

He supposedly asked his wife to sign divorce papers while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery and still groggy from anesthesia. The left had a heyday with that one.

Not “supposedly” — he really did do that.

182 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:20pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas…

You think that was about women?

Well now I”m going to have to go google that because I have no clue what you are referring to.

183 arethusa  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:49pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

I don’t think he’ll ever shake the ‘Gingrich who stole Christmas’ label the MSM anointed him with. He was demonized in the 90s, and I think it will continue to plague him.

I think that’s right. Even people who agree with Gingrich often don’t want to be tainted by association with him. It’s possible to survive adultery and divorce as a candidate these days, but once you’ve been labeled, forget it.

184 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #175 the historian

This nation is based upon freedom and liberty. Free speech is an integral part of that formula.

And of course, nobody ever said anything about taking away Glenn Beck’s precious free speech.

185 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:57pm

re: #153 EastSider

Your snark notwithstanding, terrorists thrive in a climate of U.S-not-giving-a-damn-you’re-on-your-own-fledgling-democracies.
It doesn’t help perception, which can become reality.

186 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:01pm

re: #182 turn

I don’t doubt it. But I wasn’t there so I said “supposedly.”

187 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:09pm

re: #173 OldLineTexan

Did they fire missiles at Georgia?

Missile shields are for ICBMs, etc.

Right. So Putin is dangerous, but even when he has used force recently he didn’t use missiles.

IMHO a bigger concern would be someone w/ components from a lost, stolen or recently built [iranian] bomb in a backpack setting them off in a city. At that point a missile defense shield is pretty useless.

Check Kragar’s recent post—that’s the best, most current and effective defensive strategy (aka a damn good offense).

188 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:24pm

re: #168 turn

They demonized him about what? I’m not trying to be pissy here, wasn’t it about his relationships with women mostly?

When Newt was Speaker of the House Democrats lodged 84 ethics charges against him. They held a news conference which was covered by everyone - even the two kids who have been stalking ACORN (they were in diapers then with their Fisher-Price cameras).

189 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:26pm

re: #153 EastSider

terrorists have a lot of ICBMs these days?

I take it you’ve never heard of the former Soviet Union.

190 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #182 turn

Well now I”m going to have to go google that because I have no clue what you are referring to.

It was on the cover of Newsweek, for Pete’s sake! I’m a little stunned people don’t recall this.

191 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:49:06pm

re: #186 Danny

I don’t doubt it. But I wasn’t there so I said “supposedly.”

Woops, meant to reply to #181.

192 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:49:14pm

re: #181 Charles

And yet she fully supports him in his political efforts.
What a peach.

193 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #2 Charles

Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude crazier than Keith Olbermann.

But not nastier.

194 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:50:06pm

re: #187 EastSider

Right. So Putin is dangerous, but even when he has used force recently he didn’t use missiles.

IMHO a bigger concern would be someone w/ components from a lost, stolen or recently built [iranian] bomb in a backpack setting them off in a city. At that point a missile defense shield is pretty useless.

Check Kragar’s recent post—that’s the best, most current and effective defensive strategy (aka a damn good offense).

Not everywhere is Georgia. The Russians drove to Georgia, they still consider it part of the Empire.

I don’t know what the sarcastic “right” was for, but you go on comparing apples and oranges and that ICBMs disappeared overnight in a cloud of unicorn farts.

195 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:50:10pm

BTW Beck is an adult Mormon (LDS) Convert and he does not speak for the Church. There is a great deal of diverse thought in the LDS Church politically. We have our uber-cons, uber-libs, birchers and nirthers and every thing in between.

Thank you Cato the Elder for at least recognizing the Christian influence in our doctrines. We can’t seem to get some “Christians” to understand we read the bible too. ;-)

196 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:50:36pm

re: #168 turn

They demonized him about what? I’m not trying to be pissy here, wasn’t it about his relationships with women mostly?

Gingrich is a nasty piece of work, and Clinton used that against him very well. Do you remember the government shutdown?

197 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:50:41pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas…

You think that was about women?

oh, a political attack trying to frame him for cutting programs for the poor. Well that’s not such a huge issue in this day and age, there are much bigger fish to fry when it comes to cutting spending.

198 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:51:01pm

re: #175 the historian

This nation is based upon freedom and liberty. Free speech is an integral part of that formula. If a gas back like Beck wants to vent his spleen, so be it. The vast, vast, make that vast majority of Americans do not even listen to his rants, let alone hear what he is saying.

By vast majority, do you mean Democrats and Independents?

199 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:51:09pm

re: #183 arethusa

I think that’s right. Even people who agree with Gingrich often don’t want to be tainted by association with him. It’s possible to survive adultery and divorce as a candidate these days, but once you’ve been labeled, forget it.

That’s why I think he’d be able to land the RNC gig, because he does still have people who support him, but a national office will never happen.

200 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #177 funky chicken

try google

I’m not really sure I’d trust any results if I try to google:

Greenwald is an anti-Israel crazy who spins conspiracy theories around the participation of the pro-Israel community.
He’s a jerk.

Additionally, the onus of proof is on the person making the statement.

201 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:51:50pm

re: #185 tradewind

Your snark notwithstanding, terrorists thrive in a climate of U.S-not-giving-a-damn-you’re-on-your-own-fledgling -democracies.
It doesn’t help perception, which can become reality.

Apologies, didn’t mean to be rude, I’ll turn the snark down.

I’ll give you that point. But the US seems to be doing a decent amount recently for fledgling democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan [their recent elections legitimacy another issue alltogether], Indonesia).

202 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:52:20pm

Well I’m out of here- the bus calls. I promise not to turn every thread into a defense of Mormonism. (Sorry knee jerk habit). It’s gonna be hard if Romney fires up in 2010 and Beck is still on the air quoting Skousen.

Later Lizards!

203 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:52:20pm
204 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #179 DaddyG

I’m Catholic and I laugh at scapulars et cetera - if they’re used like some kind of talisman. What it comes down to for me is not to get hung up on externals. There is plenty of legalistic, ritualistic stuff in Catholicism to poke fun at. It’s not the center.

A reminder of your vows is fine. If you find yourself unable to leave the house ‘cause your scapular or prayer shawl or underwear got lost, you need to reassess. It’s just a reminder.

My opinion.

205 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:05pm

re: #192 tradewind

And yet she fully supports him in his political efforts.
What a peach.

Uh, no. That would be his third wife who supports him.

206 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #192 tradewind

And yet she fully supports him in his political efforts.
What a peach.

Um, she’s dead.

Wife #2 might support him politically even though he was sleeping with his secretary (now the 3rd wife) while the Clinton impeachment was going on.

207 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:26pm

re: #202 DaddyG

Well I’m out of here- the bus calls. I promise not to turn every thread into a defense of Mormonism. (Sorry knee jerk habit). It’s gonna be hard if Romney fires up in 2010 and Beck is still on the air quoting Skousen.

Later Lizards!

Wife here soon for me in the carpool as well. Get home safe DaddyG and everyone else. Check you later.

208 McSpiff  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:52pm

re: #207 Locker

Later locker

209 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:54:08pm

re: #184 Charles

Neither did the historian. He simply pointed out that vast numbers of people don’t listen to Beck.

It’s funny, though, how excited people are. If no one were listening, no one would notice.

210 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:54:14pm

re: #163 Locker

And here I was all willing to read and stuff. If you change your mind I’d be happy to look at whatever but when you hit someone that harshly with accusations I’m always gonna ask for a reference. Peace.

There are two clues here.

re: #200 Locker

Have you no interest in learning about those whom you refer to as “the Man”?

211 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:54:15pm

re: #204 Cato the Elder
:-) I will admit to laundry taking on an artificial importance when you can’t just run to K-mart to buy a new pair of skivvies.

Have a great evening!

212 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

There are two clues here.

re: #200 Locker

Have you no interest in learning about those whom you refer to as “the Man”?

I thought we had established the fact that I’m the Man.

213 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:08pm

re: #205 Charles

Uh, no. That would be his third wife who supports him.

It’s Carol McCain who supports her ex-husband.

214 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:11pm

Here’s the story of Newt’s disgusting treatment of his first wife:

Jackie Battley Gingrich supported him through graduate school and two unsuccessful congressional campaigns. She had undergone uterine cancer surgery during the successful 1978 campaign, which Gingrich referenced in speeches. Eighteen months later, they separated. While in the hospital recovering from another uterine operation, according to his friend Lee Howell, “Newt came up there with his yellow legal pad, and he had a list of things on how the divorce was going to be handled. He wanted her to sign it. She was still recovering from surgery, still sort of ‘out of it,’ and he comes in with a yellow sheet of paper, handwritten, and wants her to sign it.” According to Howell, friends in her church had to raise money for her and her daughters. Later, Jackie went to court for adequate support, before they divorced. In his financial statement, Gingrich reported providing $400 per month, plus $40 in allowances for his daughters. Gingrich said he was unable to afford more. The same financial statement listed his expenditures for “food/dry cleaning etc. (one person)” as $400.

Look up ‘asshole’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Newt Gingrich.

215 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:17pm

re: #180 EmmmieG

That was my comment, not Sharm’s.

Sorry I messed up … man I’m getting an earful.

216 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:31pm

re: #195 DaddyG

BTW Beck is an adult Mormon (LDS) Convert and he does not speak for the Church. There is a great deal of diverse thought in the LDS Church politically. We have our uber-cons, uber-libs, birchers and nirthers and every thing in between.

Thank you Cato the Elder for at least recognizing the Christian influence in our doctrines. We can’t seem to get some “Christians” to understand we read the bible too. ;-)

Well if I were that ignorant you’d have every right to want me flogged. I haven’t made a deep study of Mormonism, but I have studied it - and found it fascinating.

I no more think Beck speaks for the LDS Church than that I, an adult convert to Rome, imagine I have a line to the Pope…

217 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #195 DaddyG

BTW Beck is an adult Mormon (LDS) Convert and he does not speak for the Church. There is a great deal of diverse thought in the LDS Church politically. We have our uber-cons, uber-libs, birchers and nirthers and every thing in between.

Thank you Cato the Elder for at least recognizing the Christian influence in our doctrines. We can’t seem to get some “Christians” to understand we read the bible too. ;-)

But why was it not good enough to stick with, rather than write a new addendum that bear little resemblance to it?

218 ointmentfly  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:39pm

re: #196 funky chicken

What exactly is wrong with a government shutdown…

219 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:17pm

re: #209 Dianna

Neither did the historian. He simply pointed out that vast numbers of people don’t listen to Beck.

It’s funny, though, how excited people are. If no one were listening, no one would notice.

The internet and TV and radio are so much more effective than a soapbox or the back of a Pullman car, even if you do have a megaphone.

What would have once been a fart in a whirlwind is now a seemingly mighty stink.

220 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #194 OldLineTexan

Not everywhere is Georgia. The Russians drove to Georgia, they still consider it part of the Empire.

I don’t know what the sarcastic “right” was for, but you go on comparing apples and oranges and that ICBMs disappeared overnight in a cloud of unicorn farts.

Again apologies for the snark/sarcasm. Didn’t mean to be disrespectful.

I guess my opinions here are rooted a bit in terms of the fact that I came of age in an era where the threat of terrorism was/is much much greater than the threat of full on, all out nuclear power on state war.

9/11 was very real for me (I live in Brooklyn), and the threat of a nuclear missile launch seems much less likely than the threat of a repeat of Madrid, or London, etc. I suppose you might view this as naive?

221 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:32pm

re: #214 Charles

Here’s the story of Newt’s disgusting treatment of his first wife:

[snip]

Look up ‘asshole’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Newt Gingrich.

Almost makes Flyboy McCain look like a gentleman, doesn’t it?

222 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:43pm

Does anyone think Mark Levin is bad for America?

223 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:51pm

re: #188 rwmofo

When Newt was Speaker of the House Democrats lodged 84 ethics charges against him. They held a news conference which was covered by everyone - even the two kids who have been stalking ACORN (they were in diapers then with their Fisher-Price cameras).

Thanks for the link

224 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:58pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought we had established the fact that I’m the Man.

Where do you rank compared to Mr. Charlie and BoBo?

/

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:57:08pm

Is Beck bad for America?

Somehow I don’t think Beck is William Jennings Bryan giving a Populist-currying Cross of Gold speech. Or George McClellan and the Copperheads trying to oust Lincoln and surrender to the South in 1864. Or even Colonel whattzisface spraying military secrets about a broken Japanese code across the pages of the Chicago Tribune.

Beck is a spiffed-up-for-prime time version of the worst we’ve ever had.

/The Screwtape Letters has a new format (with apologies to CS Lewis)

226 MJ  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:57:30pm

Glenn Greenwald is Hysterical

20 Feb 2009 11:59 am

Not funny-hysterical, just hysterical. I think he feels badly about writing for The American Conservative, maybe because he knows that writing for a magazine founded by Pat Buchanan and animated by Buchanan’s hostility to Jews and to Israel is a self-marginalizing act for any Jewish person trying to convince other Jews to leave Team AIPAC and support J Street. I don’t read Greenwald very much — only when Andrew links to him — but his characterization of my politics means that he’s either dishonest or ignorant. If he hasn’t read what I’ve written about, say, the settlements, or about AIPAC, then he’s not qualified to comment on my politics. If he has read these articles, then he knows that I’m not a revanchist Zionist, but falsely accuses me of being one anyway. What a putz.

[Link: jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com…]

227 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #214 Charles

Here’s the story of Newt’s disgusting treatment of his first wife:

Look up ‘asshole’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Newt Gingrich.

30 years ago. My guess is there are things that everyone did 30 years ago we wish we hadn’t. Those that have even been alive that long, and that should say something in and of itself.

228 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:57:39pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

There are two clues here.

re: #200 Locker

Have you no interest in learning about those whom you refer to as “the Man”?

Learning?

I read him every day and have never seen anything as described by MJ.

I can come in here and say that Karl Rove has sex with gay chipmunks and then tell you to “google it” when you ask for a reference. Refusing to do so doesn’t mean you have no interest in Karl Rove, it means you suspect the statement and are asking for some proof.

229 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:57:50pm

re: #220 EastSider

Again apologies for the snark/sarcasm. Didn’t mean to be disrespectful.

I guess my opinions here are rooted a bit in terms of the fact that I came of age in an era where the threat of terrorism was/is much much greater than the threat of full on, all out nuclear power on state war.

9/11 was very real for me (I live in Brooklyn), and the threat of a nuclear missile launch seems much less likely than the threat of a repeat of Madrid, or London, etc. I suppose you might view this as naive?

Nope, not at all. I just see that neither threat has dissipated.

230 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:00pm

re: #203 MikeySDCA

People who have sense enough to come in out of the rain.

The point is, we don’t see enough of those who call themselves conservatives, other than places like this. Certainly we don’t see it in those who claim to be leaders.

231 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:15pm

re: #196 funky chicken

Gingrich is a nasty piece of work, and Clinton used that against him very well. Do you remember the government shutdown?

It takes two to play chicken

232 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #198 Naso Tang

By vast majority, do you mean Democrats and Independents?

Sane people?

233 lurking faith  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:28pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

It was on the cover of Newsweek, for Pete’s sake! I’m a little stunned people don’t recall this.

So am I.

And then there was the Contract with America - which Bill Clinton began calling the Contract on America.

234 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #222 rwmofo

Does anyone think Mark Levin is bad for America?

It would help if he didn’t shout so much. Actually, he was interviewed on the Wallbanger’s show yesterday, and he seemed to be much calmer than when he’s on the radio.

235 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:59:14pm

re: #228 Locker

Learning?

I read him every day and have never seen anything as described by MJ.

I can come in here and say that Karl Rove has sex with gay chipmunks and then tell you to “google it” when you ask for a reference. Refusing to do so doesn’t mean you have no interest in Karl Rove, it means you suspect the statement and are asking for some proof.

OK, look two comments above yours. Then go catch your ride.

236 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:59:14pm

re: #214 Charles

ok that’s low down. Did I ever tell anybody here I didn’t really start getting interested in politics until the 2000 elections? I’m really pretty naive when it comes to stuff going much further back. I remember his Newt’s contract with America though, and those goals made sense to me.

237 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:59:53pm

re: #222 rwmofo

Does anyone think Mark Levin is bad for America?

I think screaming divisive gasbags are bad for America. Does that answer your question?

238 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:00:09pm

re: #226 MJ

Glenn Greenwald is Hysterical

20 Feb 2009 11:59 am

[Link: jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com…]

So this is your proof? A flame by someone else? How about linking to something of Greenwald’s that supports your statement and not a link to an obvious hater.

239 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:00:25pm

re: #232 Dianna

Sane people?

I wouldn’t generalize that broadly, except perhaps for the Independents.

240 MJ  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #238 Locker

So this is your proof? A flame by someone else? How about linking to something of Greenwald’s that supports your statement and not a link to an obvious hater.

Troll.

241 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:22pm

re: #238 Locker

Damn it wife just sent me a text and I quote:

“WTF are you I wanna go HOME!”

Out!

242 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #214 Charles

And then there is this baggage on top of an already tarnished reputation for making grandma eat dog food. He’s not electable. And I think he knows it.

What’s interesting in this is the “family values” types don’t seem to be bothered by this- they’re still trying to have him pander to them. Nor do they seem bothered by the likes of Sanford. Pretty warped family values, if you ask me.

243 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:37pm

re: #239 Naso Tang

I wouldn’t generalize that broadly, except perhaps for the Independents.

You’d be disappointed, IMO.

I know a lot of “Independents” that blow this way and that with the wind, and are not immune to teh crazy from either side.

244 Locker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #240 MJ

Troll.

Yes… you are.

245 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:02:29pm

re: #227 cliffster

30 years ago. My guess is there are things that everyone did 30 years ago we wish we hadn’t. Those that have even been alive that long, and that should say something in and of itself.

I think you’d be very hard pressed to come up with anyone who treated another, especially one so close, so poorly.

And as far as I know, Gingrich has never apologized for this record-setting boorishness.

246 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:02:55pm

re: #231 cliffster

It takes two to play chicken

Speaking of chicken:

247 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:03:02pm

re: #243 OldLineTexan

You’d be disappointed, IMO.

I know a lot of “Independents” that blow this way and that with the wind, and are not immune to teh crazy from either side.

Sorry, forgot the tag / again.

248 turn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:03:04pm

I can hear my dog barking - I’m late and out of here. Thanks for the Next feedback all.

249 oh_dude  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:04:40pm

Dumb question…

If there are so many right-wing kooks running around worshiping the likes of Beck, how did we lose the election?

Take your time…

250 dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:04:47pm

Beck annoys the hell out of me.

That said, he’s a master at getting publicity. Politics is just a different word for money, and political ranting is the sales pitch. Beck is raking in the money, and more significantly he will fill the coffers of politicians in the next few elections—on the left and the right.

Our system works like that. Say something sane and no one listens. Shout “the commies are coming the commies are comming!” and both sides mobilize: one to cheer and one to hiss.

Notice how much time LGF spends on Beck? In entertainment, there is no such thing as bad publicity. And politics is all about entertainment these days.

251 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:05:18pm

re: #249 oh_dude

Dumb question…

If there are so many right-wing kooks running around worshiping the likes of Beck, how did we lose the election?

Take your time…

Because kooks are a turn off to the electorate.

252 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:05:26pm

re: #217 Naso Tang

But why was it not good enough to stick with, rather than write a new addendum that bear little resemblance to it?

It’s happened quite a bit. At least the Mormons stick to an imaginary history of the Americas. The Swedenborgians have detailed descriptions of the inhabitants of other planets, and the Theosophists have a history of the universe and being that makes the creationists look sober and sensible.

253 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:05:44pm

re: #249 oh_dude

Dumb question…

If there are so many right-wing kooks running around worshiping the likes of Beck, how did we lose the election?

Take your time…

For every 1 right wing kook worshiping Beck there was 1 rational independent who was repulsed?

254 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:05:53pm

re: #249 oh_dude

Dumb question…

If there are so many right-wing kooks running around worshiping the likes of Beck, how did we lose the election?

Take your time…

Ron Paul

255 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:06:11pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

And then there is this baggage on top of an already tarnished reputation for making grandma eat dog food. He’s not electable. And I think he knows it.

What’s interesting in this is the “family values” types don’t seem to be bothered by this- they’re still trying to have him pander to them. Nor do they seem bothered by the likes of Sanford. Pretty warped family values, if you ask me.

He’s a personal favorite of James Dobson…BARF

Gingrich panders to the Dobson crowd shamelessly. Google Gingrich confess Dobson

256 So What  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:07:05pm

Yes, he’s very good at milking money out of gullible people.


Could that not be said of Obama and especially ACORN? Just asking!!

257 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #250 dainn

Notice how much time LGF spends on Beck? In entertainment, there is no such thing as bad publicity. And politics is all about entertainment these days.

Do you think his connections to kooks should be exposed? Can you name another right of center site that is exposing Beck’s Bircher craziness?

258 Kragar  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #256 So What

Yes, he’s very good at milking money out of gullible people.


Could that not be said of Obama and especially ACORN? Just asking!!

One does not preclude the other.

259 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:08:06pm

re: #252 Dianna

It’s happened quite a bit. At least the Mormons stick to an imaginary history of the Americas. The Swedenborgians have detailed descriptions of the inhabitants of other planets, and the Theosophists have a history of the universe and being that makes the creationists look sober and sensible.

I gotta go to an appointment. If I come back here and find you’ve been dissin’ Madame Blavatsky, I’ll sic my ectoplasm on you…!

260 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #249 oh_dude

Dumb question…

If there are so many right-wing kooks running around worshiping the likes of Beck, how did we lose the election?

Take your time…

My opinion is that eight years of daily rantings from the MSM about how stupid and evil GWB, Cheney, Rove et al were set the stage. Time for a change. Ummm, duh, he couldn’t run for a third term.

Second, Republicans held our collective noses when we pulled the lever for McCain.

261 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:08:32pm

Here’s how James Dobson tells his flock to treat children: James Dobson - Wikiquote.

“[P]ain is a marvelous purifier… It is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely.”
From Dare to Discipline, pages 6 and 7

“Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked, and their wishes should be granted… [T]wo or three stinging strokes on the legs or buttocks with a switch are usually sufficient to emphasize the point, ‘You must obey me.’”
From The Strong-Willed Child, pp. 53-4.

262 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:08:39pm

The problem with TV these days (and I am a TV producer) is that conflict is what gets ratings. A nice little discussion that doesn’t generate any on air “heat,” better be REALLY compelling or it’s likely to be “ratings challenged.” Normally, producers try to find people with opposite views who are willing to “mix it up” in the hope that a good fight will generate the heat that they hope turns into ratings success. In the old days, there were fewer channels and networks, so decent ratings were all but guaranteed. But in today’s world with hundreds of channels, the internet, and any number of mobile devices available to occupy our attention, the loudmouths like beck, olbermann, and Bill O’Reilly (who IMHO is not in the category of beck and olbermann) get the attention because they cut through the clutter. Is THAT good for America? Probably not … but it is what it is.

263 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:09:30pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

Did Gingrich object to Dobson’s effrontery? Au contraire. In fact, Dobson framed his on-air question as a repetition of something he had previously discussed with Gingrich: “I asked you a pretty bold question. And I appreciate the fact that you didn’t seem offended by it. But I asked you if the rumors were true that you were in an affair with a woman obviously who wasn’t your wife at the same time that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky were having their escapade.”

Gingrich took no offense at Dobson’s repeating their conversation on the air. He clearly expected Dobson to raise the topic. He explained that the subject was a “very painful topic, and I confess that to you directly.” And his confession continued: “Well, the fact is that the honest answer is yes.”

Gingrich then went on to distinguish his personal behavior from Bill Clinton’s, which he described as lying under oath. But Dobson was uninterested in this residue of a distinction between public and private behavior. He persevered: “Well, you answered that question with regard to Bill Clinton instead of referring to yourself. May I ask you to address it personally? You know, I believe you to be a professing Christian, and you and I have prayed together, but when I heard you talk about this dark side of your life and when we were in Washington, you spoke of it with a great deal of pain and anguish, but you didn’t mention repentance. Do you understand that word, repentance?”

[Link: www.time.com…]

264 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:09:49pm

re: #255 funky chicken

He’s a personal favorite of James Dobson…BARF

Gingrich panders to the Dobson crowd shamelessly. Google Gingrich confess Dobson

Yeah… I liked a lot of what he had to say, but he’s too far damaged to be in leadership out side the RNC. I guess I should reconsider that position. We don’t need more of those types of his friends in the party.

265 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #251 Sharmuta

Because kooks are a turn off to the electorate.

I’m confused. Am I the only one who thought the original post by the dude was sarcasm?

266 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:10:47pm

re: #214 Charles

Here’s the story of Newt’s disgusting treatment of his first wife:

Look up ‘asshole’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Newt Gingrich.

Of course, unless he’d come out and said, “yeah, er, that was pretty jacked up”, the 30-year thing is a little weak. Either way, I was looking for text of the story and stumbled across this comment in a thread. [sarcasm]Gotcha! Clearly the whole thing was a lie!![/sarcasm]

I’ve heard this story but it makes no sense!
Why would a guy divorce his wife who was going to die anyway!
That means she would take half his money - AND THEN DIE!
If he let her just die, then he would keep ALL THE MONEY!
My BS radar is WAY UP HIGH on this story, which I have never seen any evidence for.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:12:57pm

re: #121 rwmofo

If Bernie Goldberg re-wrote “100 People Who Are Screwing Up America” again, Beck and Olbermann would be on the list (if Bernie didn’t work so much with Fox)…

That being said, though the book is only 4 years old, I am guessing it would be very different if he wrote it today.

268 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:13:09pm

re: #261 Charles

“Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked, and their wishes should be granted… [T]wo or three stinging strokes on the legs or buttocks with a switch are usually sufficient to emphasize the point, ‘You must obey me.’”

My dad granted most of my “wishes” when I was a kid, LOL.

269 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:13:14pm

re: #259 Cato the Elder

I gotta go to an appointment. If I come back here and find you’ve been dissin’ Madame Blavatsky, I’ll sic my ectoplasm on you…!

Warm ectoplasm or cold?

/

270 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #261 Charles

Facepalm. I assume that guy has a large “flock.”

271 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #265 Naso Tang

I’m confused. Am I the only one who thought the original post by the dude was sarcasm?

I did, too, and snorted at it.

272 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #171 EastSider

Not at all. But ask Georgia how much a missile shield would have helped.

I think Georgia would generally have said ‘not at all.’

273 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:14:20pm

re: #261 Charles

Here’s how James Dobson tells his flock to treat children: James Dobson - Wikiquote.

“Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked, and their wishes should be granted… [T]wo or three stinging strokes on the legs or buttocks with a switch are usually sufficient to emphasize the point, ‘You must obey me.’”
From The Strong-Willed Child, pp. 53-4.

Gotta break those strong wills early. Otherwise you might end up with strong-willed adults too - people who think for themselves and don’t send money to telescamsters and sick-fuck “evangelists”. Can’t have that.

274 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:14:53pm

re: #269 Dianna

Warm ectoplasm or cold?

/

Now you’re gonna have ‘em start yelling we should get a room… ;^)

275 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:19pm

Politico on Beck vs Limbaugh:
Applea and Oranges
[Link: www.politico.com…]

276 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:21pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

Yeah… I liked a lot of what he had to say, but he’s too far damaged to be in leadership out side the RNC. I guess I should reconsider that position. We don’t need more of those types of his friends in the party.

I like Gingrich a lot when he talks policy.

I wonder how much the Dobson crowd likes him now that he has converted to Catholicism and appeared in TV commercials about climate change with Nancy Pelosi?

277 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:25pm

re: #270 rwmofo

Facepalm. I assume that guy has a large “flock.”

Enormous.

As part of his role in the organization, he produces Focus on the Family, a daily radio program which according to the organization is broadcast in more than a dozen languages and on over 7,000 stations worldwide, and heard daily by more than 220 million people in 164 countries.[3][1] Focus on the Family is also carried by about sixty U.S. television stations daily.

The headquarters of Focus on the Family is so large it has its own zip code.

278 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:33pm

re: #270 rwmofo

Facepalm. I assume that guy has a large “flock.”

Dobson. Yes, he does.

279 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:39pm

re: #261 Charles

Here’s how James Dobson tells his flock to treat children: James Dobson - Wikiquote.

Sounds like a fatwa.

280 Gus  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:56pm

re: #261 Charles

Here’s how James Dobson tells his flock to treat children: James Dobson - Wikiquote.

Odd.

Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked…

Demand to be spanked” and with a switch.

281 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:16:00pm

re: #252 Dianna

It’s happened quite a bit. At least the Mormons stick to an imaginary history of the Americas. The Swedenborgians have detailed descriptions of the inhabitants of other planets, and the Theosophists have a history of the universe and being that makes the creationists look sober and sensible.

Yeah, but which of them has an ex and possible future presidential candidate?

I’m just waiting for a Scientologist to step up.

Most people think Mormons are just a different variety of Protestants (the bigamy stuff they know, but just as a minor historical deviation).

The analysts worldwide will have a field day if Romney has a serious run again. Honestly, I doubt that many Mormons will enjoy the scrutiny, Presidential son or not.

282 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:16:38pm

Heading for home. Take care.

283 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:16:49pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Demand to be spanked” and with a switch.

Or a banana.

284 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:17:05pm
285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:17:30pm

Speaking of flocks…

I need to make like a shepherd and “get the flock outta here”.

Bye!

(that wasn’t a flounce, gotta go to work)

286 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:17:34pm

Flounce!

287 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:17:35pm

5…4…3…

288 Dianna  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:18:25pm

re: #281 Naso Tang

Yeah, but which of them has an ex and possible future presidential candidate?

I’m just waiting for a Scientologist to step up.

Most people think Mormons are just a different variety of Protestants (the bigamy stuff they know, but just as a minor historical deviation).

The analysts worldwide will have a field day if Romney has a serious run again. Honestly, I doubt that many Mormons will enjoy the scrutiny, Presidential son or not.

I’m not going to worry about it. Most Mormons I’ve known have been fine people.

But there’s always the boards over at Exmormon.org; plenty of bitter former Mormons, and lots of unhappy stories.

289 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:18:27pm

I find it strange to agree with a Time article about politics.

But Hey.

290 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:19:10pm

Notice he tried to make sure I’d read the whole flounce-off by starting with a compliment. Very creative!

People who send me hate mail often use a similar tactic — they put titles on their rants like ‘Good work!’

291 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:19:18pm

re: #147 EastSider

Three’s a pattern. If you’re a top terrorist you’d better be *** bricks right now.

I suppose blowing them up is actually ‘palling around with terrorists’ given a sufficiently broad definition of ‘paling around.’ :)

That’s the kind of ‘palling around’ we could use more of.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:19:24pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of flocks…

I need to make like a shepherd and “get the flock outta here”.

Bye!

(that wasn’t a flounce, gotta go to work)

Gosh, I really should be more careful.

293 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

Do you think his connections to kooks should be exposed? Can you name another right of center site that is exposing Beck’s Bircher craziness?

I’m not putting Charles down for doing it, quite the contrary. I’m just saying that people speaking up against extremism feeds the popularity of the extremist, as long as the holy fervor Beck creates around himself exists. We have to call his crap what it is, but in doing so we are helping keep him relevant in a perverse way.

Eventually people are going to wake up to what is going on with Beck and others like him. Until then its all fuel on the fire. Reason is boring.

294 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #288 Dianna

I’m not going to worry about it. Most Mormons I’ve known have been fine people.

But there’s always the boards over at Exmormon.org; plenty of bitter former Mormons, and lots of unhappy stories.

Most people are fine people. Most conservatives are fine people and dare I say most Democrats are fine people.

Some however are easier targets than others.

295 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

There is no excuse for physical abuse of a child, and rarely any excuse to spank a child old enough to be punished with more effective consequences that they can understand. But there is nothing wrong with swatting a small child on the bottom in an extreme situation to emphasize NO!…and a generation of bratty, neurotic narcissists resulted from parents who would never, ever, dream of spanking their little angel.

296 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #261 Charles

How disgusting/wrong.

297 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #290 Charles

I thought the “I wonder if you’ll ban me” shtick was pretty amusing.

298 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:22:24pm

re: #290 Charles

Notice he tried to make sure I’d read the whole flounce-off by starting with a compliment. Very creative!

People who send me hate mail often use a similar tactic — they put titles on their rants like ‘Good work!’

It’s criticism 101 right? Make an insult sandwich, with a compliment before and after. “The site is well done and works cleanly. You guys have really gone downhill with your commentary. Nice hair!”

299 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:24:23pm

re: #266 cliffster

He has a very warm and close relationship with his two daughters by his first wife, and it’s difficult for me to understand how that’s possible if they know or think that he treated their mother like dirt.
I’m not excusing him even a little bit. I am saying there are always three sides in a divorce… hers, his, and the real one.

300 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:24:42pm

Banning Glenn Beck is no different than people who burn books because they don’t like the book.
I didn’t like Air America but I would never have voted to censor them.
The market forces took care of Air America. Nobody listened.
If nobody watched Glenn Beck, then he will go away.
But I see on Drudge he’s number 2 or 3 in ratings this week on Cable.
5 times the audience of larry king.

301 ointmentfly  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:24:57pm

re: #293 Dainn

Beck and Olbermann will always have shows if they remain provacative. Hell, Jerry Springer is still on the air.

Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would not exist if not for the the subtle liberalism of the MSM.

302 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:24:59pm

re: #297 Danny

I thought the “I wonder if you’ll ban me” shtick was pretty amusing.

points for a chipper, cheeriness too…banning is like Viagra to these people

303 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:25:23pm

re: #300 shug

Banning Glenn Beck is no different than people who burn books because they don’t like the book.

Who said anything about “banning” Glenn Beck?

304 BignJames  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:25:28pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Demand to be spanked” and with a switch.


Real torture is when you have to get your own switch.

305 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #293 Dainn

I’m not putting Charles down for doing it, quite the contrary. I’m just saying that people speaking up against extremism feeds the popularity of the extremist, as long as the holy fervor Beck creates around himself exists. We have to call his crap what it is, but in doing so we are helping keep him relevant in a perverse way.

Eventually people are going to wake up to what is going on with Beck and others like him. Until then its all fuel on the fire. Reason is boring.

I think this is flawed logic. We can’t speak out against the craziness because it draws attention to them? Of course it draws attention to them- and their craziness. We can’t expect people to just wake up unless we give them a reason to do so.

And I don’t buy the “no such thing as bad publicity” argument. There most certainly is such a thing- and I never hear people say this when it’s their ox being gored. Well- it’s bad publicity for Sanford, but it’s still good because it’s publicity. Nonsense, I say.

We can’t expect people to accept the premise Beck is a kook without being able to show why. Exposing his kookiness is showing that reason why, and I’m glad someone is doing it.

306 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:26:11pm

re: #300 shug

Fear sells well.

307 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:26:27pm

re: #303 Charles

Who said anything about “banning” Glenn Beck?

nobody here did. at least not you in case you thought that’s what I was implying. I wasn’t

but there are plenty who would like to silence him and others on the right.

308 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:27:07pm

Sorry for the driveby and apologies if this has been posted, but there’s another diary at Kos giving LGF and Charles props (for the most part, but some bashing does occur)


A Round of Applause for LGF?

The comments are the usual mishmash one finds at Kos, meaning often over-run with idiocy, but I noticed these (notice also the ratings system, these are the comments getting the most ‘updings’:

LGF has long been opposed to anti-science (7+ / 0-)
propaganda. One can give Charles credit for that.

and

Some principled internet conservatism is emerging (12+ / 0-)
at LGF, and they’re catching endless hell for it.
There’s a lot of open field in front of them if they continue to run for it.

and

Just mentioned this Little Green Footballs (13+ / 0-)
phenomenon on the Open Thread. Andrew Sullivan noticed it too. This is good news, and the more saner conservatives call out the “village idiots” the better.

and

You know… I just looked at the front page (9+ / 0-)
of the site…just kinda scrolled down through all of the stories…

This is someone I could actually hold a debate with. It is so refreshing to see someone on the right call bullshit on the birthers, truthers, racists, the Glen Becks, Pat Buchanans, the Tea-partiers, the climate change deniers, and all of the extremely nutty … nutcases!

I think he is what I remember from my childhood… I think they called people like him a “Republican.” Yep… that’s it! What do they call these people today? It’s certainly not a Republican, because Republicans are batshit crazy… is there any room left for people that rational but conservative in our country?

There’s still confusion, misinformation, and bashing in that post and comments, of course (because it’s Kos and that happens) but I thought this was pretty cool— and cool that these are the highest rated comments on the diary as far as I see (I’ve only skimmed).

309 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:28:02pm

re: #307 shug

nobody here did. at least not you in case you thought that’s what I was implying. I wasn’t

but there are plenty who would like to silence him and others on the right.

He should be silenced, by people turning off his show and refusing to watch a person who’s promoting some of the worst ideas possible. Stuff that comes right out of the John Birch Society handbook. That’s no joke. He really is pushing this evil garbage back into the mainstream.

310 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:28:11pm

re: #300 shug

It’s probably one reason for all the hoo-hah. That Politico article says that Beck’s audience is over a million more per night than his closest cable competitor, and that’s gotta bite.

311 Nightlight  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:28:58pm

re: #295 tradewind

There is no excuse for physical abuse of a child, and rarely any excuse to spank a child old enough to be punished with more effective consequences that they can understand. But there is nothing wrong with swatting a small child on the bottom in an extreme situation to emphasize NO!…and a generation of bratty, neurotic narcissists resulted from parents who would never, ever, dream of spanking their little angel.

I agree! Having raised 4 kids myself, there are times when a swat on the bottom is absolutely necessary. When my kids were young, I listened to Dobson on the radio, and he had a lot of good advice. I had one of those “strong willed” kids. This child, when told not to touch the oven would disobey. For his own safety, I needed to let him know I was the one in charge. Believe me, time out didn’t work for this child. This isn’t abuse, this was a swat to show the child you really mean business!

312 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #307 shug

nobody here did. at least not you in case you thought that’s what I was implying. I wasn’t

but there are plenty who would like to silence him and others on the right.

It isn’t ‘silencing’ to object to the mainstreaming of lunacy, or to criticise idiocy and extremist rhetoric where it occurs.

‘Silencing’ would be what you’re attempting to engage in, by objecting to people criticising Beck.

313 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:30:27pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

Very good, even though you have said it many times before; I am sure.

314 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:30:57pm

Ruh Roh…
TOTUS just caught in a lie… err, misspeak… re health insurance problems mentioned in his big speech to Congress.
You don’t suppose he could be getting anything else in there wrong…

315 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:31:16pm

re: #309 Charles

He should be silenced, by people turning off his show and refusing to watch a person who’s promoting some of the worst ideas possible. Stuff that comes right out of the John Birch Society handbook. That’s no joke. He really is pushing this evil garbage back into the mainstream.


I respectfully disagree with you on that. The first Amendment has a long history of protecting ugly speech.
The Klan and Fred Phelps disgust me but the constution protects their free speech as it protects Glenn Beck’s
His sponsors are bailing and if enough bail on him than he will be reduced to screaming on a soap box in midtown manhattan

316 BignJames  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:31:43pm

re: #309 Charles


And he’s far from the only one…as you know. I turn off Pat Buchannan, Newt, and others as well…Robertson’s and Dobson’s idea of Christianity gives me the willies.

317 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:31:44pm

re: #312 iceweasel

It isn’t ‘silencing’ to object to the mainstreaming of lunacy, or to criticise idiocy and extremist rhetoric where it occurs.

‘Silencing’ would be what you’re attempting to engage in, by objecting to people criticising Beck.


sorry kos kid. that isn’t what I am doing

318 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #315 shug

His sponsors are bailing and if enough bail on him than he will be reduced to screaming on a soap box in midtown manhattan

That’s where he belongs.

319 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:10pm

OT ,,, now I know where Mike Myeres and Micheal McCullers got the idea for Mini Me

Meet Mini Rex

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

320 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:18pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

I hope you are right that pointing out how kooky Beck is will lower his popularity and eventually margainalize his voice. I highly doubt that will happen. Extremism just sells better than reasoned facts these days.

BTW I like that Charles brings it up. He should. We should. I just don’t think it’s mattering much to the political discourse. Seems like our country WANTS to be extreme. Right or left: pick a side and grab a swastika! sigh.

321 soxfan4life  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:38pm

re: #314 tradewind

The more appropriate question on health care is did they get anything right. The numbers are so jacked up it’s ridiculous and the line about not adding to the deficit is complete bullshit.

322 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:44pm

re: #312 iceweasel

It isn’t ‘silencing’ to object to the mainstreaming of lunacy, or to criticise idiocy and extremist rhetoric where it occurs.

‘Silencing’ would be what you’re attempting to engage in, by objecting to people criticising Beck.

Gotta disagree with that. You can object to people who criticize Glenn Beck w/o trying to silence them. Careful to not employ Beck’s victimization schtick as your own tactic.

In general I think screaming that your free speech is being revoked should be an amendment to Godwin’s law.

323 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #315 shug

I respectfully disagree with you on that. The first Amendment has a long history of protecting ugly speech.
The Klan and Fred Phelps disgust me but the constution protects their free speech as it protects Glenn Beck’s
His sponsors are bailing and if enough bail on him than he will be reduced to screaming on a soap box in midtown manhattan

No one’s threatening Beck’s free speech rights.

The Constitution allows him to say (pretty much) whatever he wants to.

It does not guarantee him a podium.

324 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:33:00pm

re: #308 iceweasel

I’m disappointed that I didn’t get a mention. Spent a lot of time digging up dirt on the Koskidz. They used to really hate me over there.

325 EastSider  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #315 shug

I respectfully disagree with you on that. The first Amendment has a long history of protecting ugly speech.
The Klan and Fred Phelps disgust me but the constution protects their free speech as it protects Glenn Beck’s
His sponsors are bailing and if enough bail on him than he will be reduced to screaming on a soap box in midtown manhattan

it protects ugly free speech but does not guarantee you a national microphone.

326 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:33:58pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Spent a lot of time digging up dirt on the Koskidz. They used to really hate me over there.

FIFY

327 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:34:28pm

re: #315 shug

If the numbers continue as they have, for every sponsor that bails, there will be a couple waiting in line. It’s all about the money when it comes to buying air time, right or wrong.

328 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:34:28pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

I’m disappointed that I didn’t get a mention. Spent a lot of time digging up dirt on the Koskidz. They used to really hate me over there.

The honeymoon is over!

329 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #325 EastSider

it protects ugly free speech but does not guarantee you a national microphone.

and that’s where the free market comes into play.
he might go the way of randy rhodes but that’s up to the consumers, the sponsors and his network

330 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:26pm

re: #266 cliffster

Newt is currently married to a woman with whom he was having an affair while still married to wife #2, who he divorced in 2000.

I don’t care that the first incident was 30 years ago - it was a low, mean-spirited, rotten thing to do.

And the 2nd incident is NOT 30 years old, it is recent.

Newt’s moral compass is seriously lacking.

331 soxfan4life  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #325 EastSider

His ratings guarantee him a national microphone. Until Fox News gets tired of losing sponsors he will continue to spout his nonsense.

332 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:44pm

re: #323 SixDegrees

It does not guarantee him a podium


Right. The ratings decide that, in most cases.

333 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:50pm

re: #317 shug

sorry kos kid. that isn’t what I am doing

I’m not a ‘kos kid’.
But thanks for playing.

334 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #320 Dainn

Seems like our country WANTS to be extreme. Right or left: pick a side and grab a swastika! sigh.

I think the majority of the people want nothing to do with extremists.

335 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #330 reine.de.tout

Newt is currently married to a woman with whom he was having an affair while still married to wife #2, who he divorced in 2000.

I don’t care that the first incident was 30 years ago - it was a low, mean-spirited, rotten thing to do.

And the 2nd incident is NOT 30 years old, it is recent.

Newt’s moral compass is seriously lacking.

Newts moral compass is a sextant

336 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:36:30pm

re: #311 Nightlight

I agree! Having raised 4 kids myself, there are times when a swat on the bottom is absolutely necessary. When my kids were young, I listened to Dobson on the radio, and he had a lot of good advice. I had one of those “strong willed” kids. This child, when told not to touch the oven would disobey. For his own safety, I needed to let him know I was the one in charge. Believe me, time out didn’t work for this child. This isn’t abuse, this was a swat to show the child you really mean business!

I raised two boys. They were/are totally different. No problems from the younger one, but the older one had rectal-cranial inversion for about five years. They usually come up for air eventually. Your oven analogy is appropriate though. If you told my “problem” child not to play in traffic he’d want to build a tree-house there.

337 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #333 iceweasel

I’m not a ‘kos kid’.
But thanks for playing.

sorry, I couldn’t tell the difference.
my bad

338 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:36:41pm

The GOP is leaderless, a wilderness crying out for a Voice.

339 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:37:20pm

re: #334 Sharmuta

I think the majority of the people want nothing to do with extremists.

if they would just get off their asses and vote, reasonably informed

340 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:37:56pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The GOP is leaderless, a wilderness crying out for a Voice.

I like that line a lot!

341 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:10pm

re: #339 albusteve

if they would just get off their asses and vote, reasonably informed

hey steve. glad to see you back. hope you are feeling well

342 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:20pm

re: #326 Danny

They’ve forgotten. Oh well. Dkos used to be a pit of antisemitism. Once they cleaned up their act I left them alone.

343 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

I’m disappointed that I didn’t get a mention. Spent a lot of time digging up dirt on the Koskidz. They used to really hate me over there.

Really? I wouldn’t know— never been a regular reader over there, ever. I’ve read more of Kos since being here than I ever had before. I noticed I was included in some diary as an example of a conservative or a Republican, apparently.

Heh.

344 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:33pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The GOP is leaderless, a wilderness crying out for a Voice.

No, a rational and civil voice.

345 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:34pm

re: #335 shug

LOL.
He’s obviously a horndog, with insecurity about his masculinity. But then again, so many of the pols are. If we have to put up with one of those, I’d rather have one with political principles I agree with.
Jimmy Carter’s supposed to be a great husband. Sorry, I’d rather have Rudy, with all his faults.

346 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #315 shug

I respectfully disagree with you on that. The first Amendment has a long history of protecting ugly speech.
The Klan and Fred Phelps disgust me but the constution protects their free speech as it protects Glenn Beck’s
His sponsors are bailing and if enough bail on him than he will be reduced to screaming on a soap box in midtown manhattan

As I see it, Charles is saying the same as (from a certain point of view) “voluntary ‘censorship’ ” … meaning voluntary on the part of the audience.

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:02pm

re: #340 LudwigVanQuixote

I like that line a lot!

The inclination to pun suddenly came up with something serious!

Thank you.

348 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:03pm

I predict, that in a few years, Beck comes out and tries to tell us that this was all a parody when the tide turns and he tries to resuscitate a stand up career.

349 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:19pm

You know what? I’m am backing down from my 30 years ago statement. I was being an apologist for the guy and that was a little silly.

350 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:26pm

re: #343 iceweasel

Really? I wouldn’t know— never been a regular reader over there, ever. I’ve read more of Kos since being here than I ever had before. I noticed I was included in some diary as an example of a conservative or a Republican, apparently.

Heh.

Did they use a sarc tag?

351 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:51pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

He’s probably socking enough away not to care.

352 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:41:01pm

re: #322 EastSider

Gotta disagree with that. You can object to people who criticize Glenn Beck w/o trying to silence them. Careful to not employ Beck’s victimization schtick as your own tactic.

In general I think screaming that your free speech is being revoked should be an amendment to Godwin’s law.

Well, I don’t know what shug’s position is, actually— just got to this thread.
But there are a lot of people who whimper that they’re being ‘silenced’ or that their free speech is being revoked, when people choose to criticise their speech, or believe it’s dangerous lunacy that shouldn’t be mainstreamed, or mock them.

Not saying that shug is doing this, or is a beck defender— but many Beck defenders are doing exactly this.

353 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:41:08pm

re: #320 Dainn

I hope you are right that pointing out how kooky Beck is will lower his popularity and eventually margainalize his voice. I highly doubt that will happen. Extremism just sells better than reasoned facts these days.

BTW I like that Charles brings it up. He should. We should. I just don’t think it’s mattering much to the political discourse. Seems like our country WANTS to be extreme. Right or left: pick a side and grab a swastika! sigh.

For better or worse, ideas have to be promoted and marketed. The primary market today is cable TV talk shows. Unfortunately, cable TV is a pretty unsavory medium. People with good ideas are often repelled by it, while shuck & jive hucksters revel and thrive in it.

354 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:41:09pm

re: #344 Naso Tang

No, a rational and civil voice.

That too.

I was thinking poetically, I guess.

355 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #341 shug

hey steve. glad to see you back. hope you are feeling well

thanks bro…it’s slow goin but I’m still around

356 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #339 albusteve

if they would just get off their asses and vote, reasonably informed

Journalism used to be a lot more informative and a lot less “entertaining”. Now there is very little real journalism going on.

357 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:42:25pm

re: #355 albusteve

thanks bro…it’s slow goin but I’m still around

Walter was great giving updates on your status, and hopefully relaying messages of support from your legions of lizard mates

358 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:42:30pm

re: #337 shug

sorry, I couldn’t tell the difference.
my bad

Downding. Yes, it is your bad.

359 shug  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #358 iceweasel

Downding. Yes, it is your bad.

downdings from you are like updings

360 revik  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:42:55pm

re: #2 Charles
Charles, he has folks backing up his perspective every night. I have been to two tea parties. 95% of the people are mainstream folks who don’t want to give up the traditions of freedom, liberty, self-reliance, responsibility, and love of country in favor of government-run everything. 5% are Ron Paul nuts. 100% are polite and peaceful.

361 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:43:10pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The GOP is leaderless, a wilderness crying out for a Voice.

Said it before, I’ll say it again

10 months after Kerry lost to Bush in 2004, please tell me anyone who predicted that Obama would be the “leader” of the Dems come 08’
10 months after Gore lost to Bush in 2000 tell me anyone that would ahve said it would be Kerry in 04’
After Clinton destroyed Dole in the fall of 1996 tell me anyone (cept for MAYBE Rove) that would have told you Bush would be the standard bearer for the repubs come 2000

It is way too early to site a “leader” of the Repubs at this time. It’s been that way for the party out of power fror decades

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:43:26pm

re: #343 iceweasel

We used to have a regular feature called the Protocols of the Daily Kos

There was probably a couple dozen installments.

363 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:43:33pm

I went to High School with David Von Drehle. Gateway High School, Aurora, Colorado. He was a few years ahead of me. He was BMOC. Ran the school newspaper, edited the yearbook. He was writing stuff for the now defunct Rocky Mountain News when he was still in High School. He was a very nice guy and struck me as a very sharp fellow.

364 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

I predict, that in a few years, Beck comes out and tries to tell us that this was all a parody when the tide turns and he tries to resuscitate a stand up career.

No, he will just go back to drinking. He’ll be able to afford the home care then.

365 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:44:49pm

re: #345 tradewind

LOL.
He’s obviously a horndog, with insecurity about his masculinity. But then again, so many of the pols are. If we have to put up with one of those, I’d rather have one with political principles I agree with.
Jimmy Carter’s supposed to be a great husband. Sorry, I’d rather have Rudy, with all his faults.

You have a good point.
Newt is very smart, and I would prefer Newt (or Rudy) any day over Jimmy Carter.
On the other hand, I also always have to think twice about Newt, because I think his moral compass is seriously lacking. Or was; it may not be any longer. But it’s a good reason to be careful about Newt.

366 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:44:53pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

We used to have a regular feature called the Protocols of the Daily Kos

There was probably a couple dozen installments.

I have to give them credit for not tolerating that kind of garbage any more.

367 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:45:29pm

re: #360 revik

Charles, he has folks backing up his perspective every night. I have been to two tea parties. 95% of the people are mainstream folks who don’t want to give up the traditions of freedom, liberty, self-reliance, responsibility, and love of country in favor of government-run everything. 5% are Ron Paul nuts. 100% are polite and peaceful.

It’s the Ronulans, Birchers and other undesirables who are organizing, promoting and financing the Tea Parties.

By showing up at these events, you’re directly supporting the crazy and evil.

368 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:45:33pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

Said it before, I’ll say it again

10 months after Kerry lost to Bush in 2004, please tell me anyone who predicted that Obama would be the “leader” of the Dems come 08’
10 months after Gore lost to Bush in 2000 tell me anyone that would ahve said it would be Kerry in 04’
After Clinton destroyed Dole in the fall of 1996 tell me anyone (cept for MAYBE Rove) that would have told you Bush would be the standard bearer for the repubs come 2000

It is way too early to site a “leader” of the Repubs at this time. It’s been that way for the party out of power fror decades

True.
They are without a Leader “at this moment”.

369 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:45:33pm

re: #357 shug

Walter was great giving updates on your status, and hopefully relaying messages of support from your legions of lizard mates

that he did…very much appreciated…I’m not out of the woods yet tho, just a lull…we’ll see what happens over the next few months

370 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:45:55pm

re: #359 shug

downdings from you are like updings

Sorry to disappoint you then. I’d just updinged you for your Newt comment.

371 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:46:21pm

re: #366 Charles

I have to give them credit for not tolerating that kind of garbage any more.

It took them quite a while to stop embarrassing themselves. We’ll see how long it takes conservatives to learn the same lesson.

372 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #360 revik

Charles, he has folks backing up his perspective every night. I have been to two tea parties. 95% of the people are mainstream folks who don’t want to give up the traditions of freedom, liberty, self-reliance, responsibility, and love of country in favor of government-run everything. 5% are Ron Paul nuts. 100% are polite and peaceful.

None of us here want to give all that up either. This kind of generalization is what is wrong with all your polite and peaceful people; they don’t know how to argue anything specific.

373 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:48:08pm

Shug, shuga -
If you and iceweasel can take a short break - would you please click my nic and send me an e-mail?
Thank you.

374 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:48:23pm

re: #366 Charles

I have to give them credit for not tolerating that kind of garbage any more.

Giving them CREDIT?!
*gasp*
We need a “RINO” parallel … LizardINO ?!?!

/ < —- SARC TAG

375 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:48:23pm

re: #360 revik

Charles, he has folks backing up his perspective every night. I have been to two tea parties. 95% of the people are mainstream folks who don’t want to give up the traditions of freedom, liberty, self-reliance, responsibility, and love of country in favor of government-run everything. 5% are Ron Paul nuts. 100% are polite and peaceful.

Too bad the 5% were up on stage with the microphones and manning the websites, raking in the donations.

376 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:49:22pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

It took them quite a while to stop embarrassing themselves. We’ll see how long it takes conservatives to learn the same lesson.

Do they do it as Charles does (deleting comments and banning abusers) or was it just natural attrition (now that Bush is gone, many of the more whacked out ones are sedate)?

377 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:49:49pm

I had an interesting conversation with an immigrant last night. He became a citizen of the United States a few months ago, but he asked two leftists what Bush had done to be considered such a bad president that Obama was doing differently. It took the republican to pipe up, because they had nothing.

I told him there was no difference in the war on terror that could be considered so radically different from Bush. That Bush planted the seeds of democracy in two regions of the world where it would serve as a balance against radical islam, but that Obama hasn’t moved away from this policy at all.

He was surprised. Said that was exactly what he thought and that people were not being intellectually honest concerning Bush. I told him that was going both ways right now, as people on the right want to give Obama no credit for following up on the Bush doctrine.

I think the biggest problem in politics right now is the us vs them mentality. More intellectual honesty, less partisan cheerleading. It’s the dishonesty that feeds the extremes, and the cheering is fuel for the fire. The party that decides to moderate, be honest, and hold the center will win.

378 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:50:08pm

re: #370 iceweasel

Sorry to disappoint you then. I’d just updinged you for your Newt comment.

And the universe is once again in balance!

Whaaa!!!

379 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:50:29pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

We used to have a regular feature called the Protocols of the Daily Kos

There was probably a couple dozen installments.

I’ll have to check the archives here about them. I’m not too surprised, although I am disgusted; one of the problems with the diary system there is that any lunatic can write one. Also, they’re so huge they’ve always had a major crazy component over there, as far as I could tell. Used to be infested with truthers too, IIRC. Another of many reasons why I’ve never hung out over there.

I think I saw someone over there saying the post about LGF ought to be a recommended diary. If it is, it’ll wind up on the front page, and I reckon the traffic here would double whatever it was yesterday.

380 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:51:02pm

re: #375 wrenchwench

Too bad the 5% were up on stage with the microphones and manning the websites, raking in the donations.

Yes, and that’s the point.

It’s that 5% (or 10% or whatever it is) who are on stage with the microphones and manning the websites who are giving the other 95% a bad name. The 95% should start being very careful what it is they’re getting sucked in to.

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:52:08pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

*salute*

382 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:52:26pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

Well put. Three years from now, as a mainstream conservative, I hope we have all new faces and a better plan.

383 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:52:39pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Good on you. After your explanation did either of the two leftists weigh in?

384 BignJames  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:53:35pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Did you miss the fact that the Justice Dept. is pursuing prosecutions of CIA interrogators?

385 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:53:49pm

re: #364 Naso Tang

No, he will just go back to drinking. He’ll be able to afford the home care then.

Lol, you’re probably right… Wouldn’t the height of irony be that he ended up having to use medicare to pay for his medical issues…

I mean we know how much he hates gov’t insurance…

386 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:53:56pm

re: #376 sattv4u2

Do they do it as Charles does (deleting comments and banning abusers) or was it just natural attrition (now that Bush is gone, many of the more whacked out ones are sedate)?

I believe the truther nonsense was so bad at one point Kos had to institute a rule about booting them all on sight.

As for the rest, the site appears to be almost wholly unmoderated, except by the community itself (with a karma-like system). That always means the loudest and craziest voices predominate. Though I don’t really know the deal there— KT or Charles will know the real deal.

387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #384 BignJames

Did you miss the fact that the Justice Dept. is pursuing prosecutions of CIA interrogators?

IMHO, that’s precisely part of the us-versus-them mentality. It exists upon both sides of the divide.

388 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:55:27pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Great analysis. The thing is, holding office gives you power and money. To hold office, you have to get elected. Best way to get elected is to make people hate the person you’re running against. I am convinced that 99.3% of people in the senate and the house are only interested in their own self-interest, at whatever cost. So? Politics is an ugly, stupid (and as you said, us vs them) mess.

389 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:55:28pm

re: #376 sattv4u2

Do they do it as Charles does (deleting comments and banning abusers) or was it just natural attrition (now that Bush is gone, many of the more whacked out ones are sedate)?

They starting deleting over the top diaries about a year or two ago. They were tired of being embarrassed by LGF and other blogs for overt antisemitism.

390 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:55:39pm

I can’t see him throwing his hat in the presidential ring. He may have a louche moral sensibility, but he’s not stupid.

391 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:55:59pm

re: #382 rwmofo

Well put. Three years from now, as a mainstream conservative, I hope we have all new faces and a better plan.

Thanks

I get a little upset with this “leaderless” talk. History tells us that EVERY losing party was “leaderless” for at least 2 years, most often longer after a National Year election, regardless of party.
I have disdain for most of the current crop of National Repubs that are known and too hope for new faces and a better plan. If not, be ready to say sitting President Obama for the next 7 years 4 months!

392 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:57:43pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

They starting deleting over the top diaries about a year or two ago. They were tired of being embarrassed by LGF and other blogs for overt antisemitism.

Or did it just go covert?

Not being snarky, I really don’t know. I’ve looked there less than 4 times my entire life and the last time well over 4 years ago

393 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:58:08pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

Good on you. After your explanation did either of the two leftists weigh in?

They were ranting about Imperialism, so I told them is was a tool of the Man to perpetuate the global patriarchy. ;p

394 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:58:17pm

re: #384 BignJames

Did you miss the fact that the Justice Dept. is pursuing prosecutions of CIA interrogators?

Only because they have to. Holder announced the appointment of a special prosecutor with an extremely limited brief — because the ACLU won a lawsuit that forced the disclosure of the Inspector General of the CIA’s 2004 report on counter terrorism measures. It isn’t a coincidence those events occurred on the same day. (The court ruled on a Friday that the report be disclosed Monday; by noon on Monday Holder announced the appointment of that prosecutor.)

Asscovering. Recall that Obama doesn’t want any attention or prosecutions of anyone major in the Bush admin—because he’s continuing many Bush policies himself.

395 Silvergirl  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:05pm

re: #179 DaddyG

There are commonalities between masonic ritual and Mormon temple ritual that have to do more with sacred/secret societies than the doctrines taught in either organization. If you want to know the truth you can discuss it with some very well versed Masons who happen to be LDS and who post in forums on line.

There is nothing “magic” or funny about the sacred garment worn after someone has gone through the temple for the first time. Stories of rare miracles notwithstanding the garment “protects” us by insuring modesty and reminding us of our covenants and to obey God.

Would you make fun of a prayer shawl?

(I didn’t ding you but please have a bit more class and don’t presume to tell me about my beliefs then laugh about what you told me I believe which I don’t believe.)

I’m impressed. Thank you for explaining that, DaddyG. I’ve been admiring Romney and now I hear of Magic Underwear.

What fun to call someone’s religious clothing magic underpants! What fun to make fun of Jews for anything at all. What fun to make fun of a race by portraying a President of the United States as a witch doctor.///

sarc tags for last paragraph only, not first two sentences.

396 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:17pm

re: #368 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay, now I am rolling on the floor laughing remembering the scenario we were facing before Howard Dean cut loose with that famous yell.
Dodged that Dean bullet, we did…

397 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:18pm

Looking back at that The Protocols of the Daily Kos
The koskid sez…

Reading this site for the past few months has me feeling like I was reading the writings of West European communists in the 1970’s : Confidant, just, well written, scientific, moral (remember the “evils” of capitalism?) . Yet - in the view of history - utter garbage.

I came to this site with Leftist Zionist Environmentalist Pro-Peace ideology (Meretz style).

I leave it with a heavy doubt of the entire “Progressive” ideology, morals and goals.

Just imagine what back conservatives think when they look around on right wing blogs these days or what they see at Tea Parties.

398 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:35pm

re: #384 BignJames

Did you miss the fact that the Justice Dept. is pursuing prosecutions of CIA interrogators?

I wasn’t aware of any charges or prosecutions; last I heard, they were moving forward with investigations into whether CIA personnel violated CIA rues or policies that existed at the time - something I would heartily endorse, given that you don’t want these guys operating outside the rules that are laid out for them.

Any attempt to bring charges for violating rules written later would be cause for much concern, as would any attempt to turn such an investigation into a fishing expedition. But so far, I haven’t heard that either of these things has happened. Just that they’re interested in whether the rules as they existed at the time were followed.

399 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:45pm
400 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:55pm

re: #393 Sharmuta

They were ranting about Imperialism, so I told them is was a tool of the Man to perpetuate the global patriarchy. ;p

Great ,,, ummm,, got a $20 till payday?

401 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:00:41pm

BBL ,,, grills ready

402 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:01:01pm

re: #392 sattv4u2

I think it’s still there but it’s much more subtle. It’s at least tolerable. They no longer post videos from neo-nazi sites or Jewish Nazi cartoons from Hamas.

403 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:01:54pm

re: #391 sattv4u2

Thanks

I get a little upset with this “leaderless” talk. History tells us that EVERY losing party was “leaderless” for at least 2 years, most often longer after a National Year election, regardless of party.
I have disdain for most of the current crop of National Repubs that are known and too hope for new faces and a better plan. If not, be ready to say sitting President Obama for the next 7 years 4 months!

collectively the right has the votes to overwhelm BO in 2012 and they may do it…again my question is if this happens what direction will the GOP take and how will it avoid total dysfunction?…masses of fractured and pissed off voters…and it may happen without the ‘leadership’

404 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:02:03pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I think it’s still there but it’s much more subtle. It’s at least tolerable. They no longer post videos from neo-nazi sites or Jewish Nazi cartoons from Hamas.

Wouldn’t be to me, and shit, i’m not even Jewish!

405 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:02:12pm

re: #394 iceweasel

No, they don’t have to.
One quiet word from TOTUS to Holder would have quashed that, and everyone in Washington knows it.

406 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:03:20pm

re: #403 albusteve

collectively the right has the votes to overwhelm BO in 2012 and they may do it…again my question is if this happens what direction will the GOP take and how will it avoid total dysfunction?…masses of fractured and pissed off voters…and it may happen without the ‘leadership’

If the left/ center left re-unifies for Obama after all the health care dust settles and the right remains fractured into 5 pieces, Obama will win again

407 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:03:24pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

I predict, that in a few years, Beck comes out and tries to tell us that this was all a parody when the tide turns and he tries to resuscitate a stand up career.

Maybe he’s Sasha Baren Cohen’s most ambitious character yet.

408 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:03:38pm
409 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:04:04pm

re: #403 albusteve

And I don;’t know ifd you saw me say this yesterday ,, but WELCOME BACK , and take it easy!

410 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:04:25pm

re: #398 SixDegrees

“Any attempt to bring charges for violating rules written later would be cause for much concern,…”

I’m no lawyer, but I’m almost positive if someone does something today which is legal, you can’t pass a new law tomorrow, then charge the person for breaking a law that didn’t exist yesterday. Grandfathering or something.

411 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:04:48pm

re: #409 sattv4u2

And I don;’t know ifd you saw me say this yesterday ,, but WELCOME BACK , and take it easy!

yes I did, and thanks

412 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:05:26pm

re: #404 sattv4u2

Wouldn’t be to me, and shit, i’m not even Jewish!


Me neither. I wish the right was as concerned with their own racism problem.

413 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:05:54pm

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

Interestingly, there are stories in the Talmud about rabbis who, tempted by courtesans, were restrained from falling prey to the evil inclination because their tzitzit (ritual fringes) flew up and slapped them.

Hm!
Interesting. Thanks for that.

414 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:06:01pm

re: #367 SixDegrees

It’s the Ronulans, Birchers and other undesirables who are organizing, promoting and financing the Tea Parties.

By showing up at these events, you’re directly supporting the crazy and evil.

Yes, indirectly and directly in some ways. But, do not confuse the weirdos, freaks and nuts with the mainstream people also attending. I have no idea how to differentiate the two right now. I still think the majority of the people attending these tea parties and townhalls where not extremists. Who knows for sure?

Every single member of Congress that held town meetings over the summer has never seen anything like the turn out they had. People are rising up…some of them are nutters…most of them are not. When is the last time people on the Right protested like this? When have they ever been this motivated?

If I were the Democrats, I would be scared sh*tless because there is a growing wave right now that is going to push many of them out of office in the midterms. The next Presidential election is still too far off to tell.

415 freetoken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:06:21pm

I see that PJM is still pushing the huge-crowd meme for the Beck rally on 912, in another article. Suppsedly by a computer scientist.

Yet it is still flawed, seriously. They link to the USA Today article of a map the Park service used before to estimate crowds. But what the writer ignores is that there are different maps for different algorithms of the density of people. While the writer does briefly mention that density of people is important, he seems ignorant of the other map available (which was published by the WaPo.)

He also links to the Metrorail ridership figures… and quotes a supposed Heritage Foundation analysis (ha!) that says the ridership shows that ridership was about 235,000 more than the previous weekend. Well, duh, how many days are there in a weekend? The actual number for 912 is here:
[Link: www.wmata.com…]
Which shows that there were about… 70,000 more riders than the previous year on that day.

Finally, they link to a FreedomWorks photo that supposedly shows how big the audience was (and we’ve seen it before.) Yet, as pointed out here with that picture of the large speedway crowd, estimating crowds, especially using wide angle images at low angles, is notoriously bad.

Bottom line: Second rate analyses are bred from second rate thinking.

416 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:07:28pm
417 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:07:47pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Me neither. I wish the right was as concerned with their own racism problem.

you might consider the distinction between pundits, bloggers and great hair as opposed to the general conservative electorate

418 sagehen  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:08:04pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

Said it before, I’ll say it again

10 months after Kerry lost to Bush in 2004, please tell me anyone who predicted that Obama would be the “leader” of the Dems come 08’

And I’ve said before and will say again:

Half the people who saw Obama’s keynote speech at the 2004 DNC.
The other half thought it would take him until 2016.

419 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:08:33pm

re: #405 tradewind

No, they don’t have to.
One quiet word from TOTUS to Holder would have quashed that, and everyone in Washington knows it.

False. Look at six degrees comment above as well.

Had Holder not appointed the special prosecutor, the outcry from civil libertarians would have been much uglier and much more widespread. Holder is doing damage control. So is Obama.

The result is that some lowlevel CIA interrogators will be hung out to dry for exceeding the guidelines—- which will have the effect of retroactively legitimising the guidelines themselves and the people who wrote them and ordered them written, thus insulating people like Yoo from any possible future prosecution. It will also end all debate about the guidelines themselves.

i realise many on the right would like to pretend that this prosecution is really about Obama paying back the Bush admin, or pandering to the left, or something else— but it is, quite literally, the least Holder and Obama can do, and it is intended to protect themselves from future prosecutions at least as much as it is intended to protect the former administration and its officials.

As usual, politics turns out to be a lot more complicated than it might at first appear.

420 pingemi  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:08:36pm

I don’t know about this, after all Time has proven itself unreliable according to this source.

And for the record I can take or leave Beck but he is on the nose concerning Acorn and was nearly so on V. Jones.

421 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:08:59pm

re: #405 tradewind

No, they don’t have to.
One quiet word from TOTUS to Holder would have quashed that, and everyone in Washington knows it.

Frankly, the idea of a Justice Department that operates at the direction of the President’s unheard orders is more than a little creepy.

Yes, I’m well aware how things work. But I see no reason to encourage such behavior.

Also, the investigation is into whether CIA personnel violated any rules that existed at the time. There’s no attempt to hold them to standards implemented later, and - so far, at least - there doesn’t appear to be any attempt to use the investigation as leverage for a fishing expedition in search of bigger game. And quite honestly, if it’s determined that those involved violated existing CIA rules and protocols, then they deserve to be punished for it.

I’m keeping an eye on how this all unfolds, but at the moment I don’t have any serious objections to it.

422 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:10:07pm
423 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:10:15pm

re: #410 rwmofo

“Any attempt to bring charges for violating rules written later would be cause for much concern,…”

I’m no lawyer, but I’m almost positive if someone does something today which is legal, you can’t pass a new law tomorrow, then charge the person for breaking a law that didn’t exist yesterday. Grandfathering or something.

You’re correct. There’s a term for it - which I can’t remember - but it’s specifically called out in the Constitution that such actions are illegal. King George, apparently, was fond of declaring laws for the purpose of imprisoning his enemies.

424 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:10:39pm

re: #399 MikeySDCA

Add that to the leak from the IAEA that Iran is much closer to the big one than previously thought.
’ Cause he’s got …’

425 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:10:42pm

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Interesting…
Bill O’Reilly Backs Public Option (VIDEO)

RINO!!

426 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:11:08pm
427 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:11:30pm

re: #423 SixDegrees

You’re correct. There’s a term for it - which I can’t remember - but it’s specifically called out in the Constitution that such actions are illegal. King George, apparently, was fond of declaring laws for the purpose of imprisoning his enemies.

Ex post facto

428 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:11:41pm

re: #419 iceweasel

Obama has let ‘em howl before over more provocative stuff.
Holder would have deferred to his boss.

429 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #426 Killgore Trout

The tape seem real, unedited. It seems he really said that.

430 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:14:35pm

Stunned silence?

431 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:15:35pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Stunned silence?

You’re on the West Coast. Do the math.

Dinner.

432 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:15:39pm

re: #411 albusteve

yes I did, and thanks

I gotta tell you this..Most of the day I have been on the deck with my little dog playing around…A beautiful day…
I took Winston to the edge of the pool and told him…It won’t be but a few days when there will be a foot of snow on the ground, 10 degrees below zero and when I kick you out of the house to pee in an Indiana no shit winter…You’ll remember this…Then…
I threw Winston in the middle of the pool..And laughed while he tried to swim out..Damn I need to video him for youtube or something…
/Hey PETA! I jumped in the pool myself to save him..Trouble is..I made him follow me swimming laps..Winston Hates me right now..Wait till he has to poop in snow..This was playschool…

433 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:15:43pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Stunned silence?

like, so what?…I could care less myself…isn’t that the point?

434 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:15:49pm

re: #428 tradewind

Obama has let ‘em howl before over more provocative stuff.
Holder would have deferred to his boss.

I suggest you reread my comments, think about the timing of the announcement (coinciding with the forced disclosure of the 2004 CIA report) and consider some of the revelations in the report itself, available here in PDF

Reread six degrees comments as well. This is not a fishing expedition designed to drag in members of the Bush admin. It is exactly the opposite.

435 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:16:19pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Stunned silence?

It’s, uh, Bill O’Reilly.

436 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:16:21pm

re: #433 albusteve

Ok, just checking.

437 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:16:24pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Stunned silence?

So now you support Bill O’Reilly?

/

438 sagehen  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:17:35pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

They starting deleting over the top diaries about a year or two ago. They were tired of being embarrassed by LGF and other blogs for overt antisemitism.

oh, it’s been longer than that, at least on some topics.

Shortly after the 2004 election, Kos had had enough of election-fraud diaries and made it a bannable offense. Then he promoted to front-pager status several people who put all their energy into finding/promoting ‘06 congressional candidates. It goes without saying, they were very happy with the results of that effort.

439 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Stunned silence?

I don’t know too many Lizards who give two shits about what Bill O’Reilly says or does anymore.

440 Danny  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:18:45pm

Gotta cook din-din. bbl.

441 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:19:39pm

re: #431 Emmmieg

You’re on the West Coast. Do the math.

Dinner.

442 Picayune  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:20:57pm

re: #49 arethusa


Not really, these days. From TIME: “Either way, you may not be inclined to believe what we say about numbers, according to a recent poll that found record-low levels of public trust of the mainstream media.”

And Charlie “laughing out loud” Gibson’s fake denial this week of his knowledge of the ACORN video stories that the DNC Stooge Media (DNCSM) has refused to cover along with Van Jones, NEA, etc., only drives those mentioned poll numbers lower. Sorry, Charlie. Nice to see you fall on your sword, though, for the Lib cause. Happy trails.

Most Americans see through Beck’s antics, but they appreciate the fact that he covers major stories, some of which lead straight to the front door of the White House, which the DNCSM are complicit in via their silence.
Hence - no more trust in MSM/DNCSM.

We all know the responsibility of the Fourth Estate, and they, the Legacy Liberal Media, have abdicated their position, which has allowed Murdock to fill the void and rake in $ MMs w/ FOX, which continues to distance itself from all others in viewer ship/importance as a source of news/opinion.

Today, P T Barnum’s observation applies more to the shrinking viewers of the DNCSM. So, what can the DNCSM do? Why attack Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingrham, et al.

But the viewers aren’t buying their same ole smears, they see the emperor and the DEMS now have no clothes, and they are not in love with the Repubs, either, at this point. There is genuine worry and concern aboard, due to the economy, and by Big Gov overreaching attempts.

Which brings us back to Beck. Is he bad for America? Well, he sure is bad for the DNCSM, and ACORN and Van Jones, and now Charlie Gibson. And that is good for the majority of right-of-center America that is fed up with the never-ending BS spewing from the DNCSM.

ACORN has no internal controls to prevent the episodes that have been coming to light this past year, because that and the Libs thought that they had absolute cover from the MSM. Well, that cover is no longer so tight.

We’ll soon see if BHO can pull a Bill Clinton and move to govern from the center and succeed as President, or, rely on the DNCSM and suffer the fate of Jones/ACORN, and watch his Liberal governance numbers drop as does America’s faith in its tradition media.

Meanwhile, Beck is riding the wave as an entertainer and has a target rich environment to aim his antics towards. Beck is crazy like a fox (no pun intended).

(Btw: did you see Dan Rather this am on Morning Joe covering Western banks washing funds for Iran to assist in their weapons building programs? Unbelievable, keep up the good reporting Dan, earn your redemption, there’s hope yet.)

443 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:21:01pm
444 FullRoller  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:21:42pm

re: #150 Cato the Elder

PIMF: “I really didn’t know Beck was a Mormon.”

To the two who downdinged me: If you’re Mormons, or Masons, and I’ve offended you - tough.

The historical truth is that Masonry was the second-biggest source for Mormonism after Christianity. Their secret rituals and handshakes are in some cases virtually identical.

And the hysterical truth is that Magic Underpants are just damn funny…

Just shows how much you think you know, and really don’t. “Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open you mouth and remove all doubt”.

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:22:22pm

re: #429 Killgore Trout

The tape seem real, unedited. It seems he really said that.

Hmmm. I’m still mad at him about Bristol Palin, and his invitation to terrorists to take out San Francisco. But that’s awful interesting.

446 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:24:43pm

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Interesting…
Bill O’Reilly Backs Public Option (VIDEO)

I watched the episode that he said that. In context (IIRC) his point was that he was for a fair market competitive environment for insurance companies, not for a public option. The video confuses the issue because his guest is saying that the marker is a defacto public option.

I don’t think he said he was for the public option. Frankly, I’m not sure where he stands except that he says he wants to know how it all would be paid for. Me too, for that matter.

447 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmmm. I’m still mad at him about Bristol Palin, and his invitation to terrorists to take out San Francisco. But that’s awful interesting.

Oh me too. Not like I had any love for Bill O’Lielly before, but that was unforgivable.

O’Reilly to San Francisco: “[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. … You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead”

448 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:25:50pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

15 seconds in. He’s talking about the gov’t subsidizing PRIVATE INS companies to do this for the poor

Sort of like giving food stamps out so then people can go to the grocery store, NOT the Gov’t cheese barn

449 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:26:09pm

re: #439 ArchangelMichael

I don’t know too many Lizards who give two shits about what Bill O’Reilly says or does anymore.

I don’t give two shits about anything on fox news anymore- except the mainstreaming of Birchers and paleo-cons.

450 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:26:30pm

re: #439 ArchangelMichael

I don’t know too many Lizards who give two shits about what Bill O’Reilly says or does anymore.

besides, O’Lielly is perfectly capable of saying tomorrow that he never said that, despite the existence of video, audio, and transcripts that prove otherwise.

451 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:27:18pm

re: #437 Danny

Not really but I do applaud him for expressing an opinion that isn’t reflexively against whatever Obama is for. I think that’s a big step in today’s environment. Maybe he’s starting to see the writing on the wall, reflexively opposing everything is going to be a problem for conservatives in the near future. I’m just glad to see some variety of opinion.

452 cliffster  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:27:32pm

re: #446 Dainn

I watched the episode that he said that. In context (IIRC) his point was that he was for a fair market competitive environment for insurance companies, not for a public option. The video confuses the issue because his guest is saying that the marker is a defacto public option.

I don’t think he said he was for the public option. Frankly, I’m not sure where he stands except that he says he wants to know how it all would be paid for. Me too, for that matter.

He stands for Bill O’Reilly

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:27:53pm

re: #447 iceweasel

Oh me too. Not like I had any love for Bill O’Lielly before, but that was unforgivable.

O’Reilly to San Francisco: “[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. … You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead”

I was spitting tacks.

454 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #446 Dainn

I watched the episode that he said that. In context (IIRC) his point was that he was for a fair market competitive environment for insurance companies, not for a public option. The video confuses the issue because his guest is saying that the marker is a defacto public option.

I don’t think he said he was for the public option. Frankly, I’m not sure where he stands except that he says he wants to know how it all would be paid for. Me too, for that matter.

Ok, I know there was some confusion in that clip about if he was referring to the public option of the stock market type exchange thing. I assume he’ll clarify his position at some point.

455 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:29:16pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

15 seconds in. He’s talking about the gov’t subsidizing PRIVATE INS companies to do this for the poor

Sort of like giving food stamps out so then people can go to the grocery store, NOT the Gov’t cheese barn

Would that make a difference to people here who find the public option idea unacceptable? If the feds contracted with private companies to provide low-income-affordable care?

456 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #444 FullRoller

Just shows how much you think you know, and really don’t. “Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open you mouth and remove all doubt”.

Cato has been open and respectful…Well..you know..Cato has an edge and a point of view…
Who the fuck are you pal..You make 12 comments every year or two and you think you can just walk in and talk trash? Wake up and climb out of the dumpster…Who the hell do you think you are? Explain it to me..I got time…
I’ll even be really nice to you…trust me…Who is your sock master?

457 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s an ass, no doubt about it.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:30:34pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

Ok, I know there was some confusion in that clip about if he was referring to the public option of the stock market type exchange thing. I assume he’ll clarify his position at some point.

There’s no public option in the exchange, unless there’s a public option, which as yet there isn’t. Did that sentence make any sense? I can’t see the video here.

459 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:31:45pm

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

Would that make a difference to people here who find the public option idea unacceptable? If the feds contracted with private companies to provide low-income-affordable care?

Yes, to me it would. I want my gov’t to give a hand up to those having a difficult time. I do NOT want my government to be in that business (health care, auto manufacturing, investment banking)

460 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:31:47pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

Ok, I know there was some confusion in that clip about if he was referring to the public option of the stock market type exchange thing. I assume he’ll clarify his position at some point.

Oh, I’m sure he’ll do it tonight or this week. He loves self-promoting his bad press, especially when his arch enemies (KOS and Media Matters) quote him.

461 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

I was spitting tacks.

Yup, me too. I have a little file somewhere of comments by pundits and the like wistfully wishing for another terrorist attack, to ‘bring the country together’, or saying that SF or NYC deserve an attack for one reason or another.

Absolutely despicable people. This onion video does a good job of satirising that mindset, as well as a certain genre of shitty faux-patriotic, faux-country music:

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

462 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:32:37pm

Totally OT—
Does anyone else find the facebook phraseology funny? I was just informed that my cousin just recently became friends with her father (took her long enough) and thinks that I might know him, too. Of course, I’ve known him longer than she has, but she probably knows him way better than I do.

It’s just funny. They used to have a phrase for when someone updated their relationship status that made it look like 30 plus year marriages had just happened, leading to all sorts of good-natured ribbing.

463 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:34:36pm

re: #415 freetoken

I see that PJM is still pushing the huge-crowd meme for the Beck rally on 912, in another article. Suppsedly by a computer scientist.

Yet it is still flawed, seriously. They link to the USA Today article of a map the Park service used before to estimate crowds. But what the writer ignores is that there are different maps for different algorithms of the density of people. While the writer does briefly mention that density of people is important, he seems ignorant of the other map available (which was published by the WaPo.)

He also links to the Metrorail ridership figures… and quotes a supposed Heritage Foundation analysis (ha!) that says the ridership shows that ridership was about 235,000 more than the previous weekend. Well, duh, how many days are there in a weekend? The actual number for 912 is here:
[Link: www.wmata.com…]
Which shows that there were about… 70,000 more riders than the previous year on that day.

Finally, they link to a FreedomWorks photo that supposedly shows how big the audience was (and we’ve seen it before.) Yet, as pointed out here with that picture of the large speedway crowd, estimating crowds, especially using wide angle images at low angles, is notoriously bad.

Bottom line: Second rate analyses are bred from second rate thinking.

Man, that is so pathetic. PJ Media started out as a place that was going to fact check the mainstream media and promote blogs from both sides of the aisle. It’s become an ultra-partisan promoter of outright lies.

Not to mention the white supremacists, creationists (yes, they’ve published pieces by the Discovery Institute) and other far right nuts.

I’m glad I got out when I did. I would be going crazy if I were still involved with them.

464 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:35:38pm

re: #461 iceweasel

Yup, me too. I have a little file somewhere of comments by pundits and the like wistfully wishing for another terrorist attack, to ‘bring the country together’, or saying that SF or NYC deserve an attack for one reason or another.

Absolutely despicable people. This onion video does a good job of satirising that mindset, as well as a certain genre of shitty faux-patriotic, faux-country music:

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

Oh I’ve seen that before. Love it.

465 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:35:55pm

Ok, there’s light at the end of the tunnel…
John Boehner struggles to keep up with base

Long before the tea parties or Wilson’s outburst, Boehner and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) had struggled to moderate the rhetorical excesses of House conservatives hammering away on Obama’s birth certificate, decrying the creation of “death panels” and ferreting out signs of creeping socialism.

Sources say they have been especially wary of the possible damage inflicted on the party’s reputation by bomb-throwing Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who last fall called for an investigation into whether members of Congress are “pro-America or anti-America.”

At least somebody out there is aware there’s a problem.

466 albusteve  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:37:07pm

if there is a solution to the political distress in this country…watching Bill and Glenn is not part of it…go ahead and tune in and keep your files and follow all the drivel etc…so be it…AmIdol politics

467 Gus  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:38:28pm

re: #463 Charles

OT

Can you delete those two I just alerted please.

468 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:38:49pm

re: #463 Charles

Man, that is so pathetic. PJ Media started out as a place that was going to fact check the mainstream media and promote blogs from both sides of the aisle. It’s become an ultra-partisan promoter of outright lies.

Not to mention the white supremacists, creationists (yes, they’ve published pieces by the Discovery Institute) and other far right nuts.

I’m glad I got out when I did. I would be going crazy if I were still involved with them.

Or worse. I wrote to Ed Morrisey when he announced he was shutting down his blog to go work for Hot Air, urging him to reconsider. And look what’s happened to him over there. He’s a completely different writer - and a much, much worse one than he was when he ran Captain’s Quarters.

469 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:38:56pm

OT - I have something else to be happy about tonight. The season premiere of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia is on. Just found out a few minutes ago. Between that and The Office, there’s actually sitcoms on that I want to watch.

470 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

Well, if only Cantor can break away from his Blackberry long enough to pay attention.

471 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:39:36pm

re: #464 Bloodnok

Oh I’ve seen that before. Love it.

Hey cutie. :)

Here’s another for you, which I believe you may be familiar with:

Hot Country Girl Has Message For US Troops

472 ted  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:10pm

re: #467 Gus 802

OT

Can you delete those two I just alerted please.



A Plea to Delete !

473 Gus  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:25pm

Thank you.

474 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:41:23pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

can’t wait to read all the nuts start to call Boehner a dirty RINO because he recognizes that Bachmann is insane

475 Racer X  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:42:03pm

re: #222 rwmofo

Does anyone think Mark Levin is bad for America?

Mark Levin had Stephen A. Smith on his show today. Just awesome!

I enjoy his commentary when it comes to hoops, and hearing Stephen talking today about how he voted for Obama, but is now seriously concerned and disappointed in where Obama is taking the country, just sent chills down my leg.

Really an excellent interview, IMO; if you get a chance to hear it on replay do so.

476 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:42:03pm

re: #415 freetoken

By the way, Charlie Martin was a speaker at the tea party. So he’s pretty far from an impartial observer.

477 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:42:10pm

re: #471 iceweasel

Hi Ice..Hope today finds you well…

478 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:43:35pm

re: #477 HoosierHoops

Hi Ice..Hope today finds you well…

hey Hoops honey! I’m good…and you? Loved your story about Winston and the pool. You do have to film that sometime and put it on youtube for us!

{hoops}

479 Bloodnok  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:44:00pm

re: #471 iceweasel

Hey cutie. :)

Here’s another for you, which I believe you may be familiar with:

Hot Country Girl Has Message For US Troops


[Video]

“We’ll be gettin’ freaky like in Abu Ghraib.”

(snicker…*loosens collar*)

480 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:44:29pm
481 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:44:49pm

re: #19 Charles

I agree. They soft-pedaled it quite a bit. For some reason the MSM is very reluctant to dig into the far right connections here.

I suspect there is a seismic shift underway in the media industrial complex. For years, I have cited Thomas Frank’s landmark cultural history, The Conquest of Cool, Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism, as the “Rosetta Stone of media bias.”
Link
Two of Frank’s contentions were especially important: That the 60s counterculture as most people know it was very largely a creation of the advertising industry and that this counterculture dominates the internal culture of the media-entertainment-advertising industry right up the present.

Today, it appears the media culture is prepared to shift away from this moth-eaten paradigm and toward the embrace of a new media-generated counterculture, that of the Paulians, conspirakooks, and (once they correct their stylistic defects) the tea-partiers. In either case, the underlying motivation (“delusion of distinction” and the trappings of rebellion as advertising tropes) will remain the same.

In this context, Beck’s loss of advertisers is purely a temporary setback and may pay big dividends in the future. New advertisers will move in to exploit this niche and they will be able to portray themselves as “edgy” “committed” and “daring” for doing so.

482 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:45:41pm

re: #471 iceweasel

Good one, ice!

This one is sort of related, at least at around 1:15

483 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:47:08pm

re: #480 taxfreekiller

So, what is Beck takes the next A.C.O.R.N. vid the kids and big government .com release and split screen it with the vid of Obama
teaching the A.C.O.R.N. class.

Screen 1. A.C.O.R.N. , say ID theft and under age illegal prostitutes.

Screen 2. Obama teaching the A.C.O.R.N. class.

He just could do something

like that.

Sure he could. Portraying Obama as a pimp could only boost Beck’s credibility even higher, and would be a huge win with certain segments of the right. The ones who are interested in their Big Tent policies.

The Big White Tent, made out of a sheet.

like that.

484 Racer X  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:49:54pm

re: #483 iceweasel

Ice, you crack me up!

485 Dainn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:50:44pm

re: #481 Shiplord Kirel

Yes! And both sides will benefit. The left will rake in the money as they put Beck on their fund-raising literature. Beck will either make FoxNews money or else outgrow them to become his own institution, like Rush.

Somewhere away from the cameras the extreme left and the exterme right should get together and go bowling. They are in the same racket. Really.

486 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:52:19pm

The post-Vietnam leftist media paradigm is on its way to well-deserved extinction. I am not averse to driving a few more stakes through its heart along the path to the boneyard, but we need to really put some effort into making sure it isn’t replaced by something worse.
The Beck-Hannity-Limbaugh axis is something worse. They are no longer on the outside looking in, they are quickly becoming the establishment itself.

487 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:53:12pm

re: #482 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good one, ice!

This one is sort of related, at least at around 1:15


BRILLIANT! I love Mr Show! And I’d never seen that!
Thanks! in stitches here and favourited.

488 Gretchen  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:53:14pm

I think it is pathetic that TIME magazine and other MSM outlets focus on political entertainers like Beck. He and left wing nuts have a right to put their ideas in the market place and everyone has a right to not watch or listen, watch and listen or criticize them.

Beck is far less dangerous than our elected officials. I don’t remember a cover story on Rangel who write tax code and ignores the code he writes, then pays off members of his own committee. Rangel and others have political power. Beck is no more dangerous to our country than Marilyn Manson or Madonna. All of them may be personally corrupting but only the government and institutions involved in corruption of government officials are bad for this country as a whole. The stimulus bill was bad for America. Cap and trade will be bad for America. Beck is an annoyance, he cannot change the outcome of our lives.

489 tradewind  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:53:28pm

re: #483 iceweasel

Next thing you know, some right wing crazy will be saying that Obama somehow has connections to ACORN in his history.
Just because they’re racist, and want him to fail.
//

490 transient  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:53:43pm

re: #485 Dainn

Somewhere away from the cameras the extreme left and the exterme right should get together and go bowling. They are in the same racket. Really.


The really funny part is, they don’t see it. (And they would deny it vociferously if you pointed it out to them.)

491 thatemailname  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:53:48pm

Didn’t they ask the exact same question about Rush Limbaugh a few years back?

492 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:55:36pm

re: #478 iceweasel

hey Hoops honey! I’m good…and you? Loved your story about Winston and the pool. You do have to film that sometime and put it on youtube for us!

{hoops}

Hi love! I have a new project..A new idea…I’m composing a email to Larry Bird of the Pacers for a patriotic charity.
I want the Pacers to donate a % of the gates for the first preseason basketball game to our Troops overseas in war zones..
I’m calling it Hoops for troops
It would be a special day for our hero’s…
I’ll email you once Larry gets on board…I’ll need backup and a lot of lizard emails to support this cause…

493 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #491 thatemailname

Didn’t they ask the exact same question about Rush Limbaugh a few years back?

Just as Rush uses his same, stale, bag of tricks so is Time Mag.

494 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:56:29pm

re: #484 Racer X

Ice, you crack me up!

Heh. Thanks. Mutual.
It’s cool that despite all our differences, lizards in general have the same senses of humour and of course, excellent taste in music.

We can work it out!

495 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:56:44pm

re: #491 thatemailname

Didn’t they ask the exact same question about Rush Limbaugh a few years back?

Sure “they” did. They have also asked it about Obama, Charles, the Apollo astronauts and practically every public figure since the founding of the Republic. Would the right answer be the same every time the question is asked?

496 Maui Girl  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:56:56pm

Never thought I’d say this but Kudos to Congress. The House just voted to defund ACORN. We should have never been using taxpayer dollars to fund these guys in the first place. Besides, ACORN made a statement the other day saying they didn’t really need the government’s money, that most of their funding comes from their members. Well, good.

497 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:57:32pm

re: #492 HoosierHoops

Oh, how awesome! Count me in! I’ll always help my Hoops. xoxox

498 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:57:50pm

re: #488 Gretchen

I think perhaps you’re not considering the influence people like beck have on the electorate. When kook ideas are mainstreamed, kook politicians are better able to win elections. That’s why kook pundits mainstreaming kookery is problematic. When the kookery reaches the halls of power, it most certainly affects our lives.

499 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:58:22pm
500 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #295 tradewind

There is no excuse for physical abuse of a child, and rarely any excuse to spank a child old enough to be punished with more effective consequences that they can understand. But there is nothing wrong with swatting a small child on the bottom in an extreme situation to emphasize NO!…and a generation of bratty, neurotic narcissists resulted from parents who would never, ever, dream of spanking their little angel.

Yeah, fool. And Dobson is talking about using a switch (“a slender, flexible shoot cut from a tree”) on the child’s butt or legs. Will you let me take two or three swipes at your butt with a switch and then tell me how it felt? And this for being “strong-willed”.

Does the switch part remind you of any other religion?

Asshole.

501 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #499 taxfreekiller

Whatever, dude. No idea what any of that has to do with ACORN, or anything else discussed in the thread. Sometimes I think a chatbot programmed in 2004 writes your posts, but this one was missing the usual John F Kerry/ Al Gore reference.

I think the bot might have been based on Gabby Johnson, as well:

502 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:07:25pm
503 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:11:41pm

re: #487 iceweasel

BRILLIANT! I love Mr Show! And I’d never seen that!
Thanks! in stitches here and favourited.

Glad you liked it. I always assumed you were a Mr. Show fan.

504 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:12:09pm
505 Racer X  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:12:48pm

re: #501 iceweasel

I needed a translator for TFK’s posts for months when I first came here.

506 Racer X  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:13:05pm

re: #504 taxfreekiller

gauze

ROFLMAO!

507 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:13:53pm

re: #501 iceweasel

Whatever, dude. No idea what any of that has to do with ACORN, or anything else discussed in the thread. Sometimes I think a chatbot programmed in 2004 writes your posts, but this one was missing the usual John F Kerry/ Al Gore reference.

I think the bot might have been based on Gabby Johnson, as well:


[Video]

Do you know about Bots? I remember programming eggbots on IRC in the old days of the Internet..Just scripts..No biggie…
There was a project out of Cambridge University on active search engines that died for lack of funding but the theory exist today..
You send a Bot ( not a worm or spider..This is focused)
The Bot reads and filters a web site…It’s really the future..Someday when I wake up with coffee my little bot will have scanned the entire Internet and returned links..Front page of the NYT no problem? My Bot is filtering data..
*wink*

508 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:14:57pm
509 captdiggs  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:02:38pm

All Time is going to do is increase his ratings.
Beck is a circus sideshow, nothing more.

510 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:03:18pm

re: #214 Charles

Here’s the story of Newt’s disgusting treatment of his first wife:


Look up ‘asshole’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Newt Gingrich.

More like a cold, heartless, skinflint sonofabitch…

511 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:38:00pm

re: #360 revik

Charles, he has folks backing up his perspective every night. I have been to two tea parties. 95% of the people are mainstream folks who don’t want to give up the traditions of freedom, liberty, self-reliance, responsibility, and love of country in favor of government-run everything. 5% are Ron Paul nuts. 100% are polite and peaceful.

A self-aggrandizing Paulian Bircher like Beck is not someone that you want to have representing your cause…along with the other Paulians and Birchers (and the other bad actors), any cause they tout is tainted with pure poison.

512 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:40:16pm
513 jaunte  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:41:23pm

re: #512 CaNeil

Just use the Drama Queen button.

514 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:51pm

Cool! Because I don’t want to be associated with people like you either. Win-win.

515 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:29pm

re: #514 Charles

Cool! Because I don’t want to be associated with people like you either. Win-win.

BAM!!!

/Emeril mode off…

516 thatemailname  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:10:12pm

re: #495 Shiplord Kirel

Huh?

517 elclynn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:19:34pm

re: #496 Maui Girl

and grants from institutions like JPMorgan Chase. Gave a grant of one million to ACORN. Also known as the “President’s Bank”.

518 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:23:54pm

Dobson wets his Depends when he imagines switches landing on the naked buttocks of little kids.

519 elclynn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:29:20pm

re: #509 captdiggs

All Time is going to do is increase his ratings.
Beck is a circus sideshow, nothing more.

He may be a clown but his interpretation of the artwork is pretty much factual.

520 TheQuis  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:35:49pm

re: #311 Nightlight

I agree! Having raised 4 kids myself, there are times when a swat on the bottom is absolutely necessary. When my kids were young, I listened to Dobson on the radio, and he had a lot of good advice. I had one of those “strong willed” kids. This child, when told not to touch the oven would disobey. For his own safety, I needed to let him know I was the one in charge. Believe me, time out didn’t work for this child. This isn’t abuse, this was a swat to show the child you really mean business!

We have a saying where I’m from. Sometimes you have to let a kid burn his fingers on the oven while you’re around so he won’t burn the house down when you’re gone.

521 swamprat  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:09:45pm

re: #519 elclynn

He may be a clown but his interpretation of the artwork is pretty much factual.

It’s crap. If he did that much research, he knew about the controversies involved. Commie art was much beloved by artists of that era, just as castro is beloved by the left, in general, today. Gentle, sweet, commie-loving artistes, standing up to the big, bad, capitalist, industry-mongers. They had to piss in the rich guys faces, so they could justify themselves to their commie friends for taking all that money siphoned from the oppressive Industrial Fascist Machine, and stolen from the working class peasants.

but even commie artists got to eat

522 elclynn  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:28:19pm

re: #521 swamprat

It’s crap. If he did that much research, he knew about the controversies involved. Commie art was much beloved by artists of that era, just as castro is beloved by the left, in general, today. Gentle, sweet, commie-loving artistes, standing up to the big, bad, capitalist, industry-mongers. They had to piss in the rich guys faces, so they could justify themselves to their commie friends for taking all that money siphoned from the oppressive Industrial Fascist Machine, and stolen from the working class peasants.

but even commie artists got to eat

Hey, why the huffy attitude? I was talking about interpretation of art, not his politics or viewpoint. Get a grip.

523 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:31:22pm

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