Creationists Win Another One in Louisiana

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Louisiana Governor (and part time exorcist) Bobby Jindal’s stealth creationist bill is starting to bear rancid fruit, as the state’s top school board approves new rules intended to make it difficult for residents to challenge the teaching of creationism in science classes.

Pseudo-science promoted by ignorant religious fanatics takes another big step forward in Louisiana.

Gene Mills, president of the Louisiana Family Forum Action, praised the rules and said Bayard’s plan was better than the department’s recommendation.

“Arguably this is the closest thing that would mimic due process,” Mills said in a telephone interview after the meeting. “That seems equitable to me.”

The Louisiana Family Forum, a key backer of the law, says it promotes traditional values.

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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:44:51pm

MC Hawking - Fuck the creationists

Youtube Video

Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:45:10pm

This makes me ill. Seriously.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:46:21pm

weet dreams all!

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:47:44pm

So now "Traditional Values" has come to mean "Lying For Jesus". Excuse me for a minute...

[Dark_Falcon commences beating his head against a wall while saying "Does not compute! Does not compute!"]

Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:48:01pm

Backers say the law is needed to give science teachers more freedom to ~~challenge traditional theories, including Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution~~ seriously miseducate children.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:48:41pm

Backers say the law is needed to give science teachers more freedom to challenge traditional theories, including Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

If they want to challenge science- they need to do it with more science. Since they don't have any science to challenge science, they resort to trickery. In the long run, kids lose out on their education and America loses a science educated public. The consequences of this could be very troubling.

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:52:02pm

So in Louisiana it'll be atheists home-schooling their kids. Weird.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:53:04pm

This is why I will never support Bobby Jindal for anything. He's in the pocket of these people, and he's sacrificing the education of the children of Louisiana on their altar.

Louisiana Family Forum Action is an affiliate of James Dobson's Focus on the Family.

lurking faith Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:54:48pm

I just don't understand.

Why do some people think they can't be good Christians and also accept science? God gave us brains; shouldn't we use them?

jaunte Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:55:43pm

Earmark Watch:
“$100,000 for Louisiana Family Forum, to develop a plan to promote better science education”
Sponsor: Sen. Vitter (R-LA)
[Link: www.earmarkwatch.org...]

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:56:52pm

re: #10 jaunte

Earmark Watch:
“$100,000 for Louisiana Family Forum, to develop a plan to promote better science education”
Sponsor: Sen. Vitter (R-LA)
[Link: www.earmarkwatch.org...]

Again -- Republican politicians pushing religious pseudo-science.

I'm just about finished with the GOP for good.

Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:57:16pm

re: #9 lurking faith

I just don't understand.

Why do some people think they can't be good Christians and also accept science? God gave us brains; shouldn't we use them?

There seem to be different kinds of Christians of course but the dividing line between Christians who believe their religion is there to help them in their life and Christians who believe their religion directs their life is striking. It seems for the second group you believe without question, it's considered good morality.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:57:49pm

re: #10 jaunte

Earmark Watch:
“$100,000 for Louisiana Family Forum, to develop a plan to promote better science education”
Sponsor: Sen. Vitter (R-LA)
[Link: www.earmarkwatch.org...]

They are skilled in spinning their BS- that's for sure. "Better" science education by undermining it. Their duplicity never ceases to amaze.

lostlakehiker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:59:04pm

One says that materials used in science classrooms “shall not promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs or promote discrimination for or against religion or non-religion.”

Trouble is, any materials that explain evolution necessarily contradict some particular sets of religious beliefs. The teacher who confidently stands by the validity of evolution will be in violation of this rule, while the teacher who grudgingly presents the Darwinian position but then turns around and maintains that it's dubious science and there is another way to look at it, equally respected in scientific circles, well, that teacher has been fair, neither discriminating against or for any religious doctrine.

jaunte Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:59:21pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

I guess they think it's 'better' if it doesn't (by implication) challenge any of their beliefs. I regret we'll have to pay for it.

jvic Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:59:36pm

To think that only ten years ago this was shaping up as another American century. If we continue on the path we are traveling, future historians will not believe what we did to ourselves.

swamprat Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:00:08pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

If they want to challenge science- they need to do it with more science. Since they don't have any science to challenge science, they resort to trickery. In the long run, kids lose out on their education and America loses a science educated public. The consequences of this could be very troubling.

Exactly! If they were holding any cards, they would not need this. I would love to see a provision that would not allow any factually inaccurate information to be given to children under the guise of education. And that includes history. In fact, that would be an excellent general restriction.

Getting late.
Later lizards.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:00:29pm

re: #15 jaunte

I guess they think it's 'better' if it doesn't (by implication) challenge any of their beliefs. I regret we'll have to pay for it.

I'd rather fund acorn than this junk.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:00:52pm

re: #10 jaunte

Earmark Watch:
“$100,000 for Louisiana Family Forum, to develop a plan to promote better science education”
Sponsor: Sen. Vitter (R-LA)
[Link: www.earmarkwatch.org...]

Having Russell Honore replace Vitter is looking better and better. The GOP should kick Vitter to the curb, but I'm afraid that they're still stuck on stupid, to use the general's excellent turn of phrase.

Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:01:23pm

re: #11 Charles

Again -- Republican politicians pushing religious pseudo-science.

I'm just about finished with the GOP for good.

This is the kind of stuff that causes (justified) Derangement Syndrome on the left. It is literally obscene to not only push this garbage into our children's science education but to deliberately lie and deceive while claiming the moral high ground. When a politician is involved with anything like this he gets the DS from the mainstream left. He might as well talk to a wall, they go at him like beck at acorn.

Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:01:36pm

I really don't have a chance at being a paid blogger, do I? Thinking about an experiment at Hot Air to see how much racism they'll tolerate.

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:02:38pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I really don't have a chance at being a paid blogger, do I? Thinking about an experiment at Hot Air to see how much racism they'll tolerate.

How's it looking in there tonight? Seething rage?

jaunte Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:02:49pm

Here's a good background piece (starring some familiar names) on this topic from last year by Barbara Forrest:

On May 21, 2008, Casey Luskin, former student ID follower and now DI employee, accompanied Virginia creationist and ID supporter, Dr. Caroline Crocker, to Baton Rouge, where Crocker testified in favor of SB 733 before the House Education Committee. The LFF-DI partnership was now out in the open. (See the LA Coalition for Science's June 22, 2008, press release [pdf] or more such evidence of DI's involvement in the Louisiana legislation.)
This cozy relationship uniting the Discovery Institute, the LA Family Forum, and the self-servingly obeisant LA legislature threatens to drag Louisiana back to 1981, when earlier legislators pushed the state into the annals of creationist history by passing the "Balanced Treatment for Creation-Science and Evolution-Science in Public School Instruction Act," which the Supreme Court struck down in 1987. Louisiana has come a long way since then. Despite the state's image as a political and educational backwater, there are good, decent, intelligent people here who contribute each day to improving the quality of life and who deserve -- and should command -- the legislature's and the governor's respect. But they are out-numbered and certainly out-organized. They are busy working while the LFF is politicking at the Capitol and the Discovery Institute is scheming from Seattle.[Link: www.talk2action.org...]

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:03:59pm

These people are learning how to sneak around and do these things mostly in secret, so that people like Barbara Forrest and the NCSE don't find out what they're planning until it's too late.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:04:05pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

I'd rather fund acorn than this junk.

I wouldn't, ACORN is even worse. But that's not saying much because this stuff is the pits. I hate the anti-intellectualism of the creationists, and I know that evolution is the canary in the mine. It would be the first thing they get rid of, but not the last. I don't intend to let either ACORN or the creationists eat my freedom.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:04:08pm

I'm reading a book on Gould at the moment, and it's interesting he pointed out Darwin's interest in Adam Smith as helping him to formulate the theory of evolution. A capitalist helped Darwinism come to light, and yet the people who supposedly believe in capitalism don't see the similarity to evolution. Madness.

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:04:48pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Go for it.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

He who hesitates is lost.

A stitch in time saves nine.

... and so forth...

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:05:41pm

Any day now some group is going to come out calling for the reversal of Scopes v. State.

rwmofo Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:06:02pm

Groan. In science class? Ummm, maybe they could do cancer research instead?

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:08:08pm

So we're taking money from people, and spending it on things a good chunk of the people do NOT want. Is a pretty familiar pattern. There's no escaping it.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:08:13pm

The religious fanatics are also hard at work in Texas again -- corrupting the states' social studies program to promote a fundamentalist version of US history in which the founding fathers intended to make America a Christian nation ruled by "Biblical principles," whatever that means.

One of the people on the panel deciding the social studies curriculum is the completely whacked out far right nutjob David Barton of Wallbuilders, a group that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.

They're on the move, folks.

rwmofo Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09:03pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I really don't have a chance at being a paid blogger, do I? Thinking about an experiment at Hot Air to see how much racism they'll tolerate.

Are there bloggers racist? Isn't it just two guys?

Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:10:04pm

re: #22 Gus 802

They're having another Michelle is a wookie thread. Black conservatives are nonexistent at this point. I can't imagine there are any left.

rwmofo Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:10:06pm

re: #32 rwmofo

Are ~~there~~ their bloggers racist? Isn't it just two guys?

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:10:20pm

The Texas Freedom Network liveblogged the BOE hearings today. This is bad stuff, possibly even worse than the fanatics' failed attempt to get creationism into the science curriculum.

[Link: tfnblog.wordpress.com...]

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:12:47pm

re: #35 Charles

The Texas Freedom Network liveblogged the BOE hearings today. This is bad stuff, possibly even worse than the fanatics' failed attempt to get creationism into the science curriculum.

[Link: tfnblog.wordpress.com...]

I agree- it's terrible. It's a complete bastardization of our history and civics. It's completely distorting all of America's founding principles.

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:12:54pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

They're having another Michelle is a wookie thread. Black conservatives are nonexistent at this point. I can't imagine there are any left.

Oh. Yeah, what a bunch of losers. It's funny to see these folks talk about what she's wearing too. You're right though. There's no chance in hell that the GOP is going to get any support from the black and hispanic communities at this point.

Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:14:00pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

I agree- it's terrible. It's a complete bastardization of our history and civics. It's completely distorting all of America's founding principles.

But didn't Jefferson once use the wortd "God" in a sentence?/

Salamantis Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:14:46pm

There's still no way that they can prevent the families of students from appealing such decisions by filing lawsuits in federal court.

I really look forward to them doing so, so all of this mess can be found to be constitutionally illegitimate.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #31 Charles

...intended to make America a Christian nation ruled by "Biblical principles," whatever that means.

Let he who is with the least amount of sin throw the most stones?

/Dominionism will improve the economy and create more jobs with an expanded gravel-pit industry

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:16:03pm

Wanting to teach children a complete distortion of American history and civics will make the political process break down that much easier. You think things are bad now, wait until we have a generation of kids who think our Founders intended to create a Christian nation.

jaunte Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:16:27pm

re: #35 Charles

3:25 – The curriculum writer for second grade notes that her team never considered dropping Thurgood Marshall from the standards and were, in fact, proud to be able to teach about him. This helps correct the misconception promoted by some board members that objections to Thurgood Marshall came from the writing teams. In fact, those objections came from the so-called “experts” — David Barton and Peter Marshall — appointed by board members themselves.

Now why would David Barton object to Thurgood Marshal?
/

Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:16:51pm

Ride on a U2 spy plane

Youtube Video

You really need to watch this one Youtube, and click on the fullscreen view.

Science!

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:19:12pm

Texas Governor Rick Perry is another fan of paleo-right kook Cleon Skousen:

[Link: www.rickperry.org...]

Naturally, the governor is concerned about what is happening in Washington. When I ask him if Mr. Obama's policies would send this country down the same path as California, Mr. Perry lunges forward, "If you want to know what this guy's policies are doing, it's been written about before."

"Read that book. Read this book," he says, gesturing toward the nearby table. I see something from Weight Watchers and a Harry Potter paperback—but the governor is referring to the "The Road to Serfdom" by Frederick Hayek and "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:19:24pm

And again- the problem with Texas injecting revisionist history into their education standards is they influence the rest of the text book market. That means kids across America will get revisionist claptrap in their history books- not just Texas.

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:19:51pm

Again I wonder, why would any Christian want their religion taught by a teacher in school? What if the teacher is an atheist? What if they are a Jew? Or whatever. They'll carefully choose a church to make sure the preacher and Sunday school have the right tone, but let just any 'ol teacher teach them the other 6 days.

Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:20:12pm

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth

Let he who is with the least amount of sin throw the most stones?

/Dominionism will improve the economy and create more jobs with an expanded gravel-pit industry

Not to mention repairing the damage done to the soil over the years by homosexuals./

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:20:30pm

re: #44 Charles

Not at all surprised. Now that he has real competition for the GOP Governor's nomination, he's got to shore up some sort of base.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:20:50pm

re: #46 cliffster

Because it's more important to get their hands on other people's kids.

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:21:09pm

BTW, I see that KT is doing his experiment over at HA.

Good luck with that.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:21:18pm

By the way, in case you missed it, 'JammieWearingFool' showed up today using a sock puppet account to spew insults at me.

Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:22:20pm

what was the sock name?

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:22:47pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Wanting to teach children a complete distortion of American history and civics will make the political process break down that much easier. You think things are bad now, wait until we have a generation of kids who think our Founders intended to create a Christian nation.

It's even worse than that, Sharm. While claiming to fight the far left, the Fundie Right has come to favor the same tactics of indoctrination and suppression that the left prefers. They have turned their backs on the Founders' vision entirely, and their efforts to rewrite the Texas social studies curriculum reminds me of The Party's "definitive texts" in George Orwell's 1984 . I had though that particular nightmare defeated, but it seems to be reemerging in new forms.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:22:51pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

They're having another Michelle is a wookie thread. Black conservatives are nonexistent at this point. I can't imagine there are any left.

I just don't get this "wookie" bullshit. She doesn't look a damn thing like Chewbacca, she's not even close to being that hairy. And I can confirm, there has been an assload of "wookie" bullshit over there.

Is "wookie" supposed to be some clever way of calling her a monkey without saying it directly? It's disgusting, childish, and the fact that that kind of shit wasn't nipped in the bud early, and continues to go on un-moderated, has turned me off of that site.

lurking faith Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:22:58pm

re: #51 Charles

Just living up to the "fool" part of her old nic, I guess.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:23:07pm

re: #51 Charles

I guess he needed to reinforce his nic.

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:23:19pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

Because it's more important to get their hands on other people's kids.

I reckon that's it. I guess some people just need a purpose. Doesn't matter the purpose.

austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:23:49pm

re: #31 Charles

The religious fanatics are also hard at work in Texas again -- corrupting the states' social studies program to promote a fundamentalist version of US history in which the founding fathers intended to make America a Christian nation ruled by "Biblical principles," whatever that means.

One of the people on the panel deciding the social studies curriculum is the completely whacked out far right nutjob David Barton of Wallbuilders, a group that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.

They're on the move, folks.

Charles!

I am shocked that you would point out that a group of Salafist Christians are trying to turn Texas into Jesustan!

Shocked!

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:24:11pm

re: #55 lurking faith

damn you beat me...grrr..

jaunte Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:24:12pm

re: #56 Boondock St. Bender

I guess he needed to reinforce his nic.

He was 'BlogPimpingFool' for quite a long time.

lurking faith Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:25:11pm

re: #59 Boondock St. Bender

It's rare that I'm that quick. I'll have to mark it on my calendar!

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:25:19pm

re: #60 jaunte

He was 'BlogPimpingFool' for quite a long time.

While hypocritically bitching at others for blog pimping.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:26:26pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

thats exactly what it is...at least old-time racists had the balls to use plain offensive language,there was no question where they stood.these cowards use code phases,with a little knowing wink to one another.

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:26:43pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

While hypocritically bitching at others for blog pimping.

They all pimp from either Malkin or what they see on Drudge. Then that becomes the days talking points. No one strays or thinks independently.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:27:21pm

re: #50 freetoken

Link?

Barring that, a loose description of the thread title?

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:28:00pm

re: #64 Gus 802

They all pimp from either Malkin or what they see on Drudge. Then that becomes the days talking points. No one strays or thinks independently.

Yeah- then they come over here and bitch at the one guy being independent that he's not covering the same stories they can read everywhere else.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:28:25pm

re: #60 jaunte

He was 'BlogPimpingFool' for quite a long time.

All of his links are now gone.

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:28:52pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

Read KT's posts up thread. HA has a Michelle Obama article that KT is now engaging.

I wouldn't know what is going on over there (since I don't visit the site anymore), but KT announced it so I guess he wants everyone to know.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:29:39pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Is "wookie" supposed to be some clever way of calling her a monkey without saying it directly?

That's exactly what it is, and there's nothing clever about it. It's blatant racism in your face.

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:29:42pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Yeah- then they come over here and bitch at the one guy being independent that he's not covering the same stories they can read everywhere else.

Exactly.

This was my short scenario too covering the "complexities" of the discussions:

Monday: McCain defends immigration reform -- McCain bad.
Tuesday: McCain slams Obama on missile defense -- McCain good.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:30:50pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

It's funny how these people cry that Charles "changed"or "he abandoned us"
They never give a thought to how they only liked coming here when they read what pleased them,the minute Charles pointed out problems and hypocrisy on the right THEY turned on him.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:31:34pm

re: #69 Charles

That's exactly what it is, and there's nothing clever about it. It's blatant racism in your face.

Quite Concur.

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:31:56pm

Somewhere on a desert highway
she rides a Harley Davidson
her long blond hair flying in the breeze.
She's been running half her life
the chrome and steel she rides
colliding with the very air she breathes.
The air she breaths.

This Neil Young gem has been jumping into my head a lot lately. The events of the day link up well with the imagery of the song. The freedoms we once had, the freedoms we've lost, and probably will never regain. No one in power is standing up for our freedom, as this thread's topic shows. sigh

austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #69 Charles

That's exactly what it is, and there's nothing clever about it. It's blatant racism in your face.

Good thing Carter was wrong in his indictment, eh?

cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:33:44pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

"Wookie"? Really? Sheesh.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:35:29pm

re: #74 austin_blue

jimmy found a cornel of truth ...like the proverbial blind pig.
or maybe that thing about a broken clock is right only twice a day...

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:36:57pm

re: #69 Charles

Perhaps I was being to kind by describing it as "clever". A better description would be that it is their idea of "clever".

That's the vibe I am getting from it, and I don't like it. I especially don't like the fact that this kind of shit goes unmoderated there.

And it helps me to appreciate the work you do here more and more. It can't be easy, but you do it. With there comparative resources, they have no excuse.

Thank you, Charles, for keeping that kind of shit out of here.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:36:59pm

re: #74 austin_blue

Good thing Carter was wrong in his indictment, eh?

Carter was wrong, austin. Most of the people on LGF oppose Obama and they do not do so out of racism. The racists remain a distinct minority, but they are a vocal one and they taint any who associate with them.

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:37:02pm

Too bad I'm not allowed to comment over there. Tried... but for some reason they didn't like me.

sagehen Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:37:17pm

re: #42 jaunte

Now why would David Barton object to Thurgood Marshal?
/

The same reason he will oppose every Obama policy ever. Without even waiting to see what it is.

austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:38:21pm

re: #76 Boondock St. Bender

jimmy found a cornel of truth ...like the proverbial blind pig.
or maybe that thing about a broken clock is right only twice a day...

So maybe he should be given some credit for the speaking the truth, eh? It doesn't happen often, God knows, but giving credit when credit is due is a mitzvah.

Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:38:24pm

I thought it referred to her facial features supposedly being vaguely similar to Chewbacca's. Dehumanizing either way.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:38:54pm

re: #79 freetoken

If you put a bone through the nose of your avatar they would like you just fine!

austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:40:09pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Carter was wrong, austin. Most of the people on LGF oppose Obama and they do not do so out of racism. The racists remain a distinct minority, but they are a vocal one and they taint any who associate with them.

I don't disagree, but there is a core of racist hate that has colored every debate since the inauguration. It's vile.

Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:40:32pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Black conservatives are nonexistent at this point. I can't imagine there are any left.

I caught Stephen A. Smith on Mark Levin today. Worth a listen.

Click on audio rewind for 9-17.
Fast forward to 18:15.

He voted for Obama, and is now extremely disappointed. I wouldn't call Stephen a conservative, but he's pretty close.

Really good interview.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:41:05pm

re: #81 austin_blue

don't make me do it...you have no idea how painful that would be...
How about...some of what he said has merit AARRGGHH agony

Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:41:13pm

Review of Richard Dawkins new book "The Greatest Show on Earth" bu PZ Myers - Pharyngula

There are no more excuses. None.

The defining characteristic of all arguments with creationists is how damned ignorant they are. I'm sure many scientists have been stupefied into stunned silence when they first encounter these people; these advocated of creationism are typically loud and certain and have invested much time and effort into apologetics, but when you sit down and try to have a serious discussion with them, you quickly discover that their knowledge of basic biology is nonexistent. It's worse than that. We're used to freshmen entering our classes who don't know much about the basics, and we can deal with that; these, though, are people with negative knowledge, whose brains are so packed with raging falsehoods that we have to struggle to overcome an unfamiliar hurdle.

continued...

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:41:26pm

re: #84 austin_blue

I don't disagree, but there is a core of racist hate that has colored every debate since the inauguration. It's vile.

Certainly, your right, and it's the progressives that has done the coloring.

jvic Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:42:18pm

re: #46 cliffster

Again I wonder, why would any Christian want their religion taught by a teacher in school? What if the teacher is an atheist? What if they are a Jew? Or whatever. They'll carefully choose a church to make sure the preacher and Sunday school have the right tone, but let just any 'ol teacher teach them the other 6 days.

Put Jindal in the Oval Office with strong Congressional majorities & five Harriet Miers thinkalikes on SCOTUS, and your questions will be answered.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:42:23pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Certainly, your right, and it's the progressives that has done the coloring.

Bad English, bad sentence structure, just got in from NYC, long plane ride. Sorry about the lousy language.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:42:48pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:43:29pm

Yeah- it's progressives at Hot Air calling the First Lady a Wookie.

Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:44:02pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Certainly, your right, and it's the progressives that has done the coloring.

Right. You mean progressives like Robert Stacy McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Williams, and the rest of the crew.

freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:44:04pm

BTW, I did a google search on "Michelle Obama" +wookie , and there are several hits from this week, from, shall we say, disreputable places.

That there are people on HA doing the same now.

Some of the links are so new there is not a cached version yet, so I won't link to them. For example, from the current FR thread on Michelle:

Can you imagine any company or business paying this “wookie linebacker”, the product of affirmative action this kind of money?

13 posted on September 17, 2009 7:59:01 AM PDT by tiger63

On another blog that goes by the tagline "Home of the Black Rifle" we find this by "happycnic":

I see they're going for the "Let the wookie win" strategy. It's brilliant. Republicans won't pull your arms out of their sockets if they lose. Wookies are known to do that.

And so forth.

HA is now attracting posters that appear to be bleeding over from the uglier side of the internet.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:44:42pm

Robert Stacy McCain hasn't stopped frothing yet. Post after post attacking me. He must have posted more than a dozen rants by now.

Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:45:06pm

re: #95 Charles

You must have struck a nerve.

Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:45:49pm

re: #82 Danny

A very weak reed on which to lean .the very appearance of the character chewbacca(or any wookie)draws instant parallels to apes.Any one with a modicum of taste would run from any such comparison

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:45:58pm

re: #68 freetoken

oh fuck

austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:46:02pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Certainly, your right, and it's the progressives that has done the coloring.

Oh, dear, Walter, is it blame the victim time?

Oh, and it's "you're" not "your".

And it should be "have" to agree with the agree with the plural "progressives" instead of "has".

Not to be petty...

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:46:19pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Right. You mean progressives like Robert Stacy McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Williams, and the rest of the crew.

I don't support those people, and they don't speak for me, I don't have a nice word for them, and so don't you assume I do.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:46:46pm

re: #95 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain hasn't stopped frothing yet. Post after post attacking me. He must have posted more than a dozen rants by now.

To paraphrase the great Winston Churchill:

Let him rant, let him rave, we shall pull through.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:47:06pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

I don't support those people, and they don't speak for me, I don't have a nice word for them, and so don't you assume I do.

I was being sarcastic. I just don't think it's the progressive pushing the race card anymore. Not this time.

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:47:25pm

re: #95 Charles

Think you got under his skin...struck a nerve perhaps...bwaahahaha

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:47:25pm

re: #84 austin_blue

I don't disagree, but there is a core of racist hate that has colored every debate since the inauguration. It's vile.

That I must agree with.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #99 austin_blue

Oh, dear, Walter, is it blame the victim time?

Oh, and it's "you're" not "your".

And it should be "have" to agree with the agree with the plural "progressives" instead of "has".

Not to be petty...

And check my 89. Great argument, cut my feet right out from under me. You're good.

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Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:47:57pm

re: #97 Boondock St. Bender

No doubt, but I'm surmising that's the reason for "wookie."

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[deleted] Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:48:12pm

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:48:15pm

re: #102 Gus 802

I was being sarcastic. I just don't think it's the progressive pushing the race card anymore. Not this time.

And I wasn't, not this time.

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Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:48:18pm

World Clock

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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:48:25pm

The Star Wars theme came into play yesterday when this event happened, with photo:

[Link: laughingsquid.com...]

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:48:44pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

damn you beat me too...slow hands tonite...

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:49:16pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth

oh fuck

Did you see what I saw? He's a very bad man.

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[deleted] Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:49:17pm

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austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:49:23pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

And check my 89. Great argument, cut my feet right out from under me. You're good.

Sorry about the jet lag, my man. I understand completely. I apologize for jamming you.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:50:11pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

And I wasn't, not this time.

Walter, I know you don't agree with those guys. I've been around here long enough to know that.

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:50:33pm

re: #113 Reginald Perrin

Might want to be careful with people's names.

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cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:52:01pm

re: #109 Racer X

World Clock

Wow, we eat a lot of chickens.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:52:04pm

re: #110 freetoken

The Star Wars theme came into play yesterday when this event happened, with photo:

[Link: laughingsquid.com...]

So, all that proves is that Obama is a Sith, and we've known that all along. He's just using a blue lightsaber to fool us. His red one is tucked away in a lockbox next to his nirth certifaket.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:52:26pm

re: #112 Gus 802

I know there is a point to be made, a point worth making. But... DAMN! I am not sure tacking in that direction will get it done. We'll see, I suppose.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:52:34pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

Might want to be careful with people's names.

Concur.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:52:46pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Walter, I know you don't agree with those guys. I've been around here long enough to know that.

Understood.

I was just jumping in for a quick bit. Just got home from the funeral/mini vacation in NYC, and I'm basically in and out until Monday, crossover week between plays, and we have two concerts this weekend, so, I'll be busy.

But I'm looking forward to "playing" at full force on LGF in a few days.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:55:05pm

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

Understood.

I was just jumping in for a quick bit. Just got home from the funeral/mini vacation in NYC, and I'm basically in and out until Monday, crossover week between plays, and we have two concerts this weekend, so, I'll be busy.

But I'm looking forward to "playing" at full force on LGF in a few days.

Cool. Sorry about the funeral. Things have been a little hectic in here due to recent unhinging in the blogosphere.

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:56:42pm

re: #122 Gus 802

definitely new lines being drawn.

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austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:57:22pm

re: #123 Boondock St. Bender

definitely new lines being drawn.

And I think that's a good thing.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:57:41pm

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

I know there is a point to be made, a point worth making. But... DAMN! I am not sure tacking in that direction will get it done. We'll see, I suppose.

Might be the beer doing the piloting. /

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cliffster Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:58:15pm

Late. Night all

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austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:59:26pm

And goodnight to all! Sleep tight. Have a lovely Friday.

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:59:32pm

re: #124 austin_blue

And I think that's a good thing.

I do too. It's a line separating the conservatives from theocrats and fascists. It's long past due.

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[deleted] Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:00:46pm

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:01:10pm

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig the point, but... the approach? KT, WTF dude?

I don't know. Honestly? Bad move.

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:01:16pm

re: #124 austin_blue

absolutely,all the ideals this nation was founded on,and have been acquired are worth defending.not just picking and choosing the ones you like.

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:02:57pm

re: #130 Gus 802

I don't know. Honestly? Bad move.

WTH is going on, is KT being a reverse-Moby or something? Isn't that basically the same thing as "adopting the tactics of the other side" that we have been bitching about here virulently for going on 9+ months now?

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:03:02pm

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig the point, but... the approach? KT, WTF dude?

I can't speak for him, but perhaps he's curious at just how far the envelope can be pushed before it's too much at that site. Perhaps he thought the only way to test it was to try himself.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:03:31pm

Uh, oh. Major not-goodness from Rodan's place. Post is below. Irish Rose's words are in plain text, Rodan's are in italics:

185. Rodan on 17 September, 2009 at 10:44 pm reply

Honestly, Rodan… first the “surprise” threat earlier, and now this?

Knock it off, or you’re going to find yourself on the receiving end of a police report and a restraining order… and a lot sooner than you think.

Hey Irish Rose,

You’ll be getting your surprise very soon!

The emails have been sent, by many of us!

Ha ha ha ha!

BTW You are a White Supremacist, that’s why you just target me! The KKK didn’t accept you because you are a fat One tooth Bar whore. Go take your hit of Crystal Meth, loser!

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Throbert McGee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:04:39pm

I thought that the "Michelle Obama = Wookiee" joke originated with her inaugural-parade dress (because some people thought it looked a bit sci-fi). But that doesn't explain why other people then ran with the joke, and ran, and ran, and ran.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:05:24pm

re: #135 Throbert McGee

I thought that the "Michelle Obama = Wookiee" joke originated with her inaugural-parade dress (because some people thought it looked a bit sci-fi). But that doesn't explain why other people then ran with the joke, and ran, and ran, and ran.

No, but racism explains it.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:05:29pm

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit. Delete that post, please.

The point that I dig is that calling the First Lady a "wookie" is a retarded, racist code word for "monkey". The approach I find off putting is that commenter's choice of language in making that point.

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Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:05:41pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

I can't speak for him, but perhaps he's curious at just how far the envelope can be pushed before it's too much at that site. Perhaps he thought the only way to test it was to try himself.

Totally dishonest.

Would Charles let that fly here? A 'social experiment' I mean?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:06:13pm

re: #124 austin_blue

And I think that's a good thing.

I tell this quick story, it's something you would enjoy. Wed. my girlfriend and I took about 8 hours for ourselves, away from her family and the funeral stuff, and rode into NYC from the Hamptons.

We didn't have a lot of expendable extra cash, this funeral was not expected to start with, and last minute plane fares and stuff was a bit pricier than if we had planned far ahead. So we went to the half price ticket booth, decided on "Phantom," 2 o'clock matinee. I've seen the road show at least 5 times, she saw it in NYC a few years ago.

Show over, curtain call, the actor playing the Phantom announces that this is the 9000th performance, the show is 21 years old, currently the longest running show on Broadway and then brings out a large birthday cake, then the original director Hal Prince, then the original choreographer Gillian Lynne and then the composer himself Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber.

A last minute decision to see the show, half priced tickets and we witness theatre history, along with 3 of the most famos theater people in the world.

Not a bad afternoon.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:06:17pm

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig the point, but... the approach? KT, WTF dude?

Yikes. Of course they're all claiming that I sent him over there. Ouch, my head.

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Throbert McGee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:06:40pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

No, but racism explains it.

Yup.

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austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:06:44pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

I do too. It's a line separating the conservatives from theocrats and fascists. It's long past due.

Thank you, Sharm. Yes.

More important, to me, is that it is a line separating the idiots, who cannot discuss public policy rationally, form the rest of us- left, right, and center, who can. This is, on a fundamental level, an anti-idiotarian board, and all reasonable people should have a place at the table, so long as they can hold their powder and be civil.

And to all, a good night.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:08:44pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

Glad you enjoyed it, Walter. You deserve to be happy.

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:08:51pm

re: #140 Charles

Yikes. Of course they're all claiming that I sent him over there. Ouch, my head.

Because were all "mind-numbed robots" waiting marching orders from the Lizard King.

/meanwhile they are all parroting the talking points of the day handed down from Rush, Malkin, RSM, and Luap Nor

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Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:08:54pm

re: #140 Charles

Yikes. Of course they're all claiming that I sent him over there. Ouch, my head.

KT's comments over there are disgusting, under any circumstances.

I just lost a ton of respect for that guy.

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austin_blue Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:09:27pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I tell this quick story, it's something you would enjoy. Wed. my girlfriend and I took about 8 hours for ourselves, away from her family and the funeral stuff, and rode into NYC from the Hamptons.

We didn't have a lot of expendable extra cash, this funeral was not expected to start with, and last minute plane fares and stuff was a bit pricier than if we had planned far ahead. So we went to the half price ticket booth, decided on "Phantom," 2 o'clock matinee. I've seen the road show at least 5 times, she saw it in NYC a few years ago.

Show over, curtain call, the actor playing the Phantom announces that this is the 9000th performance, the show is 21 years old, currently the longest running show on Broadway and then brings out a large birthday cake, then the original director Hal Prince, then the original choreographer Gillian Lynne and then the composer himself Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber.

A last minute decision to see the show, half priced tickets and we witness theatre history, along with 3 of the most famos theater people in the world.

Not a bad afternoon.

Sweet!

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:10:20pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

It would have been better to go with a wookie/monkey analogy, that other language was unnecessary IMO.

It will certainly be used as a broad brush.

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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:11:07pm

re: #145 Racer X

You do realize he was mocking them, right?

His point was, I think, that HA doesn't really manage their comments, first of all, and secondly that no one their would own up to the idea that calling Michelle a "wookie"/"wookiee" is common parlance among the racist blogs around the internet.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:11:29pm

re: #146 austin_blue

Sweet!

Thanks...

To bed now, jet lag catching up with me.

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #145 Racer X

I'm sure KT is baiting to see who agrees.(granted i didn't see any of it)

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:12:00pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Glad you enjoyed it, Walter. You deserve to be happy.

Thanks.

Night all (and you too Sharm :)

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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:13:32pm

Honestly, I think KT could have done a better job at forcing the issue if you would have posted links (to notorious sites) rather than just repeating a mantra.

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Racer X Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:13:34pm

re: #148 freetoken

You do realize he was mocking them, right?

His point was, I think, that HA doesn't really manage their comments, first of all, and secondly that no one their would own up to the idea that calling Michelle a "wookie"/"wookiee" is common parlance among the racist blogs around the internet.

re: #150 Boondock St. Bender

I'm sure KT is baiting to see who agrees.(granted i didn't see any of it)

I think what KT is doing is deplorable.

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:14:16pm

re: #150 Boondock St. Bender

I'm sure KT is baiting to see who agrees.(granted i didn't see any of it)

It was cool when barking moonbats came here and said outrageous things to paint conservatism and opposition to jihad as bad and hateful, it's not cool to do it to them to prove a point about ODS. They should be allowed to hang themselves with their own nonsense. A moby is a moby.

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:14:20pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know what's going on over there. But- on the other hand- if these sorts of comments were moderated from the beginning, then KT wouldn't have gone over there. WTF is wrong with AP and Ed?

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:14:39pm

re: #154 ArchangelMichael

It WASN'T cool I mean... late night PIMF

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:15:23pm

re: #140 Charles

My point was that no matter how offensive or racist I was nobody would step in. Not the owners of the blog or other posters. Nobody else chimed in and said "yes, the wookie stuff is offensive." Nobody. I did this earlier today too. Nobody over there finds the comparison of Michelle and a space monkey to be offensive. There's nothing racist enough to say over there to get deleted. They don't care. I more people cared and took a stand this wouldn't be a problem.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:15:32pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

I don't know what's going on over there. But- on the other hand- if these sorts of comments were moderated from the beginning, then KT wouldn't have gone over there. WTF is wrong with AP and Ed?

They're sleeping and they don't have 24 hour moderation.

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:16:26pm

re: #158 Gus 802

No- they let this stuff go daily. I don't think they care if their comment section is a cesspit.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:16:50pm

re: #153 Racer X

I think what KT is doing is deplorable.

Is it really him?

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:17:19pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

I don't know what's going on over there. But- on the other hand- if these sorts of comments were moderated from the beginning, then KT wouldn't have gone over there. WTF is wrong with AP and Ed?

Even if they would normally let this crap slide now, they wont with this. Someone will say "Chuckles sent his toady over here to cause problems" and it will be gone faster than a fart in a windstorm.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:17:23pm

re: #145 Racer X

It was an attempt to mock the absolute lack of reasonable moderation at that site, and the kind of stupid, racist euphemisms that they allow to stand as representative of their community.

Granted, not the best way to do so. I fear this will backfire.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:17:45pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Is it really him?

Yup.

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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:17:58pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

You could always link to the various blogs around the net that are racist and have "wookie" threads running. That's what I would have done if they allowed me to comment over there.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:18:40pm

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

It was an attempt to mock the absolute lack of reasonable moderation at that site, and the kind of stupid, racist euphemisms that they allow to stand as representative of their community.

Granted, not the best way to do so. I fear this will backfire.

Concur. Rodan will use it as ammo, I'm sure of it.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:18:59pm

re: #158 Gus 802

They're sleeping and they don't have 24 hour moderation.

I do recognize that I started this experiment late and that's a little unfair. However, Michelle Obama is frequently referred to as a wookie. This has gone on for months at all times of day. They don't care.

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lostlakehiker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:19:01pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

I'd rather fund acorn than this junk.

Trouble is, then you'd be funding fraudulent voting. The integrity of elections is as important as the integrity of science education.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:19:09pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

No- they let this stuff go daily. I don't think they care if their comment section is a cesspit.

OK, we'll see in the morning.

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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:19:39pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

is this at the stalker site?or HA?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:20:30pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Yup.

I have far from kept track of this whole "story," since I've been out of town and only dropped in on LGF a few times this week, but if I gather what I think is happening here, then I don't see any problem with what Killgore has done, and a really big problem of what the other blog didn't do and the reaction KT is getting from the other posters there.

Interesting.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:20:50pm

re: #164 freetoken

You could always link to the various blogs around the net that are racist and have "wookie" threads running. That's what I would have done if they allowed me to comment over there.

I pointed that out earlier today on Hot Air. Mostly from freeRepublic, RedStaet and AR15.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:21:26pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I do recognize that I started this experiment late and that's a little unfair. However, Michelle Obama is frequently referred to as a wookie. This has gone on for months at all times of day. They don't care.

Right. They're obsessed. Frankly I find Michelle Obama to be rather low key. I'm also tired about hearing about what she's wearing. Especially from the "men folk."

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dwells38 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:21:26pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

I consider them at least equally reprehensible. With ACORN the people on the videos were willing to help someone set up a business to take underage girls and basically rape them for money. Which nauseates me.

Creationists suck. True.

I assume you are assuming most people who work for ACORN wouldn't do that.

Let's hope so.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:23:05pm

re: #145 Racer X

KT's comments over there are disgusting, under any circumstances.

They were intended to be the most offensive things I could think of. That was the whole point.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:23:08pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I dig the point you are making about their lack of moderation regarding the not so clever racist code words used there, but I think you could have made that point without using the language you did.

Those posts will most certainly be deleted by morning, east coast time, and I' sure your account will be blocked.

I fear you just lobbed them a softball.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:23:34pm

re: #169 Boondock St. Bender

is this at the stalker site?or HA?

Killgore posted at Hot Air. But Rodan has caught on to it, as some feared he would.

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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:24:03pm

re: #168 Gus 802

OK, we'll see in the morning.

I'm sure KT's stuff will get deleted. I doubt they really want to tackle the issue KT was trying to point out, however. They're not interested in being hard asses with a decent comment section- they would get called names like "neo-Charles Johnsons" were they to actually moderate their blog.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:24:51pm

...and they;'re still making wookie jokes on Hot Air tonight. They can not be shamed.

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Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:24:51pm

KT, no offense and it's just my opinion, but it wasn't a good idea.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:25:10pm

re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig the point you are making about their lack of moderation regarding the not so clever racist code words used there, but I think you could have made that point without using the language you did.

Those posts will most certainly be deleted by morning, east coast time, and I' sure your account will be blocked.

I fear you just lobbed them a softball.

Quite Concur. It's your time, Killgore, I can't direct you in how to use it, but I feel you made a mistake and LGF may pay the price.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:26:38pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Maybe but I wish more people would stand up against the blatant racism we're seeing these days.

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jantjepietje Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:27:17pm

Pseudo-science promoted by ignorant religious fanatics takes another big step forward in Louisiana.

Whatever he is Jindal is not ignorant. The man has an honors degree in biology from Brown for crying out loud.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:28:05pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Maybe but I wish more people would stand up against the blatant racism we're seeing these days.

Agreed. Still posts calling attention to the racism would have been a better idea, IMO.

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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:29:21pm

re: #182 jantjepietje

Whatever he is Jindal is not ignorant. The man has an honors degree in biology from Brown for crying out loud.

And he's apparently using it for toilet paper. The guy is clown shoes.

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Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:30:26pm

Play us some more Donnie, Killgore.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:31:38pm

re: #182 jantjepietje

I'm ignorant, you're ignorant, Jindal is ignorant. Ignorance is simply a state of not knowing something. We are all ignorant, in many subject and fields. Ignorance is curable by a proper application of knowledge.

Foolish is a different matter. It seems foolish can't be cured. Foolish is believing that you can cure cancer with an exorcism. Jindal is both ignorant and foolish.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:33:42pm

re: #185 Danny

Havin a time

Youtube Video

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:38:09pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

I agree. There is a point to be made about the disgusting language over there, a point well worth making. But I think you may have gone a step too far with the terminology. Just sayin'.

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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:39:13pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Still posts calling attention to the racism would have been a better idea, IMO.

The article in question does read like a Hot Air Cosmopolitan magazine piece:

New secret weapon in selling ObamaCare: Michelle Obama

Why not? The One’s out of ammo and the Democrats’ hyper-negative racial campaigning has failed epically. Might as well hand the ball off to Mrs. O and see if she can “mom” America into supporting this craptastic boondoggle. Imagine the media coverage. Three tips to raising a healthy child: Plenty of exercise, lots of vegetables, and blowing a trillion dollars on a universal health care plan that’ll still be bleeding red ink when the Obama girls are grandmothers.
The bad news: This means lots, lots more stories on how to get toned arms. The good news: There’s a fair chance of a “I won’t be proud of my country unless we pass ObamaCare” moment, which means rich, tasty right-wing blog content for weeks on end.

AP's comments regarding Michelle are rather inaccurate because she does have two rather healthy and intelligent children. It's almost like he feeds the rage then pulls back on a note of caution. He's changed his tone over the past few months. He used to post more articles regarding atheism and criticizing Sarah Palin.

Toned arms? Bleh. Boring old Michelle Derangement Syndrome.

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dwells38 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:39:18pm

re: #109 Racer X

Neato! I like any kind of counter like this. Here's one that tracks the US debt. US Debt Clock.org

Although that one's a little scary as I think I'm on the hook for some of that!

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theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 1:24:06am

And to think last year before the election, I was screeching to friends and family the Fundies were as big a threat as they believed socialism was/is. "Nah, it'll never happen," they said. "But that commie Obama has to be stopped!"

What a difference a year makes. Now we're outing ACORN, Glenn Beck is a god on the boobtube, the teaparties have gone off the freakin' rails, and the Fundies are successfully pushing their psychobabble bullshit through America's school systems with help and backing from the GOP itself. Who'da thunk it?

"Nah, it'll never happen. But that commie Obama has to be stopped!"

If douchebaggery was a crime, Jindal and his ilk would be serving life in prison.

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SpaceJesus Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:06:15am

there isn't a day i wake up that i don't thank god i wasn't born in the south

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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:24:55am

Count me in on the lawsuit to get the Islamic Creationist idea pushed next. Hopefully then the idiots pushing this will realize the stupidity they are trying to unleash.

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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:02:47am

re: #193 Oh no...Sand People!

Count me in on the lawsuit to get the Islamic Creationist idea pushed next. Hopefully then the idiots pushing this will realize the stupidity they are trying to unleash.

Careful - that approach plays right into their hands. Evolution versus creationism is a single battle in a much larger war to turn the nation's public school systems into a network of fundamentalist Christian madrassas, and opening the door to yet more religious indoctrination only works toward achieving that end. Part of their plan depends on the Tyranny of the Majority working it's magic to ensure that only their particular brand of idiocy gets taught in the vast majority of public schools; if there are a few exceptions in a handful of schools in New Jersey and Michigan, they're more than willing to accept that in exchange for getting the door opened in the first place.

These are evil people, no different than the Taliban in their goals. Only their tactics differ.

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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:34:20am

re: #192 spacejesus

there isn't a day i wake up that i don't thank god i wasn't born in the south

Not as glad as we are!
/
Ah, thankyouverymuch!

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spoosmith Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:37:39am

re: #182 jantjepietje

Which makes it worse. He should know better

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mikedmoon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:29:12am

“That seems equitable to me.”

It sure is, where would Mr Mills and co. like me to ship our training material from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may His noodly appendage bless you all)?

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RoughRider Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:51:17am

Dale Bayard, of Sulphur, chairman of the committee that tackled the issue, changed that and the committee went along.

Wow. It's been a while, but I know Dale and never would've pegged him as an "ignorant religious fanatic."

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John Neverbend Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:08:12am

re: #7 cliffster

So in Louisiana it'll be atheists home-schooling their kids. Weird.

Not just atheists, but any rational parent.

I wonder who is on this 3 or 5 member board that will review the complaints. More evidence of what Dawkins described as an "educational disgrace" in his promotional video for his new book.

If anybody in LGF is interested in reading a not too long but interesting book on evolution, I can recommend Evolution for Dummies. It's well thought out and generally easy to read. In order to make it possible to jump into any chapter, there's a lot of repetition which works well for me.

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Dynomite Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:40:58am

re: #46 cliffster

Again I wonder, why would any Christian want their religion taught by a teacher in school? What if the teacher is an atheist? What if they are a Jew? Or whatever. They'll carefully choose a church to make sure the preacher and Sunday school have the right tone, but let just any 'ol teacher teach them the other 6 days.

Come on... You don't get it? It's the first step. Next step is no Jews or Atheists teaching. It's for the children, you know...

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SFGoth Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:07:39am

Traditional values, like cheating and beating on your wife, being a closet homosexual, driving drunk, lying to everyone about your life, leaving your dying wife before she's room temperature, yeah, glad I subscribe to non-traditional, but honest, values.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:20:05am

re: #198 RoughRider

Wow. It's been a while, but I know Dale and never would've pegged him as an "ignorant religious fanatic."

What would you call someone who thinks children should be taught creationism in science classes?

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RoughRider Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #202 Charles

What would you call someone who thinks children should be taught creationism in science classes?

FTR, I'm on your side. Creationism, ID, etc != science to me either.

Just dealing with the cognitive dissonance of seeing a basically run-of-the-mill guy I know referenced here. That's all.

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lostlakehiker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:05:57am

Updings for Michelle Obama: smart, funny, sharp dresser, good looking.

Downding: her pay rose dramatically when her husband became Senator. Granting that it's hard to walk away from a bribe, a bribe is what the pay raise was. And when she left the job, the wages for that job reverted to the old level.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:40:57am

Flounce!

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Korla Pundit Fri, Sep 18, 2009 10:24:06am

Maybe we should all encourage this idiocy to go through, just to hasten its demise in the Supreme Court. Then we can maybe get Republicans to talk about taxes and government expansion and the abandonment of our allies and, you know... Important Stuff. Push all the God stuff back into Sunday School where it belongs.

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AtadOFF Fri, Sep 18, 2009 10:41:11am

I thought Science Class was supposed to teach h... science.

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jantjepietje Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:32pm

re: #184 ArchangelMichael

And he's apparently using it for toilet paper. The guy is clown shoes.

I think he's a pretty smart, but extremely cynical, guy. He just thinks it's good for him politically to act like this but he definitely understands evolution there is no way you can get an honours degree in biology without doing so.

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