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Rick Sanchez is a very unhappy CNN newsman. And he has good reason, because Fox News published an advertisement that is — no other words for it — blatantly dishonest.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:39:39pm |
The other agencies explicitly mentioned in the ad - ABC, MSNBC and others - are equally pissed. All fielded reporters and featured the story prominently, and the organizers (for what their take is worth) actually praised ABC for it's balanced coverage.
It looks like lying is the new black.
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endotoxin Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:41:27pm |
At first I thought he was just upset because they were unsuccessful at burying the whole ACORN controversy...
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Gus Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:45:44pm |
CNN also had a live feed of 912dc.
That's were I got to listen to all of the Paulian, Dominionist, End-the-Fed, and Nirther Rapper loons perform.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:46:42pm |
Fox News is not a legitimate news organization.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:47:37pm |
I loved the clip of O'Reilly. It's pretty transparent, and kinda scary, because people are going to believe that garbage.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:48:03pm |
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:48:20pm |
re: #11 ~Fianna
O'Reilly is the sanest person at Fox News, at this moment.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:49:20pm |
re: #13 erraticsphinx
O'Reilly is the sanest person at Fox News, at this moment.
And that's saying very little.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:49:27pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
CNN also had a live feed of 912dc.
That's were I got to listen to all of the Paulian, Dominionist, End-the-Fed, and Nirther Rapper loons perform.
Good point. I watched it there too.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:49:28pm |
re: #13 erraticsphinx
O'Reilly is the sanest person at Fox News, at this moment.
I think I have to agree with that.
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MJ Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:50:03pm |
There is little love lost between Fox ( especially Beck ) and Sanchez:
"...Earlier this week, CNN's Rick Sanchez accused Fox News -- namely Glenn Beck -- of creating an environment of fear and distrust that has led to a surge in gun violence, in particular tying last week's Pittsburgh shooting to "Fox News and right wing radio."
On Beck's radio show Thursday, Beck and staff lashed out against Sanchez, calling Sanchez "the one guy who shouldn't accuse other people of being responsible for murder" over his 1990 drunk driving incident, in which Sanchez struck a pedestrian who would be paralyzed and later die from injuries sustained in the accident..."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:50:37pm |
re: #19 MikeySDCA
Oh, please. Are you forgetting Bret Baier and Brit Hume?
Is Hume still with Fox? The sane folks never get mentioned, which is the saddest thing.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:50:38pm |
O'Reilly is a first-order scumbag. He did a LOT to create the atmosphere that got Dr. George Tiller murdered. In my opinion, that was unforgivable.
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96RoadKing Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:53:34pm |
re: #19 MikeySDCA
Oh, please. Are you forgetting Bret Baier and Brit Hume?
Let's not forget Chris Wallace!
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:53:36pm |
I'm not necessarily a fan of CNN, but I love how Sanchez ripped Fox a new one...the facts are on his side and he laid them out there for all to see.
Fox News is quickly becoming the network of choice for Nirthers, Paulians, and other unsavory "right-wing" nutjobs...for a network that had a chance in its founding to be a legitimate counter to the perceived leftward bias the other networks, cable and OTA, have shown for years, they've blown all of their credibility and impartiality to hell and gone.
It's a damn shame...
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:54:28pm |
re: #13 erraticsphinx
O'Reilly is the sanest person at Fox News, at this moment.
Wait, Did Brit Hume and Shepard Smith get fired?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:54:37pm |
I used to consider Allahpundit a friend, so I emailed him to let him know that I've removed all the links to Hot Air from LGF, and that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt last night.
We'll see if they bother to let their moronic horde of readers know that.
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MJ Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:54:43pm |
re: #22 Charles
O'Reilly is a first-order scumbag. He did a LOT to create the atmosphere that got Dr. George Tiller murdered. In my opinion, that was unforgivable.
This was also unforgivable:
O'Reilly blames teen victim
"... Bill O'Reilly said of Shawn Hornbeck -- who was abducted at the age of 11, held for four years, and recently found in Missouri -- that "there was an element here that this kid liked about this circumstances" and that he "do[esn't] buy" "the Stockholm syndrome thing." O'Reilly also said: "The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. He didn't have to go to school. He could run around and do whatever he wanted." When fellow Fox News host Greta Van Susteren pointed out that "[s]ome kids like school," O'Reilly replied: "Well, I don't believe this kid did."'
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
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Gus Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:54:59pm |
re: #3 endotoxin
At first I thought he was just upset because they were unsuccessful at burying the whole ACORN controversy...
64 videos at CNN on ACORN:
[Link: search.cnn.com...]
Of course that was the big money maker for FoxNews.
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johnnygriswold Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:55:01pm |
That's shocking. I wonder what FoxNews' response to this is. Makes it real hard to defend FoxNews at this point.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:55:01pm |
re: #23 MikeySDCA
Hume is a Senior Political Analyst, or some such. No regular show, but on a lot. They also have Charles Krauthammer.
I don't have a TV, so I only catch the "good" stuff that goes around.
Frankly, I get most of my news from the net now. I find that it's easier to do my own fact checking than to let someone else do it for me. At least I can be reasonably certain that I'm sorting out the spin from the facts.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:55:29pm |
re: #22 Charles
O'Reilly is a first-order scumbag. He did a LOT to create the atmosphere that got Dr. George Tiller murdered. In my opinion, that was unforgivable.
He's the reason I stopped watching cable news altogether outside of the morning shows.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:55:34pm |
I'm really disgusted Fox would promote such a blatant lie.
It's no better than what CBS did with the Bush memo.
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endotoxin Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:55:38pm |
Unfortunately, none of the news organizations actually work to report news objectively anymore, IMHO. All of them are equally useless.
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96RoadKing Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:56:11pm |
re: #28 bloodstar
Wait, Did Brit Hume and Shepard Smith get fired?
Not unless it was today. Shepard Smith's usually on just before O'Reilly. Brit Hume is generally on panel discussions with Krauthamer and others.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:56:31pm |
re: #28 bloodstar
Brit Hume doesn't have a show anymore.
And Baier and Smith don't bring home the bacon.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:56:41pm |
Got a snarky email from Ed Morrissey just to put the icing on the cake.
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Right Brain Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:57:42pm |
Everyone associated with that ad needs to be shown the road.
I note Powerline's gestalt of new agencies and the Van Jones story:
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the New York Times: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the Washington Post: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on NBC Nightly News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on ABC World News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on CBS Evening News: 0.
(Fr.Powerline)
I further note that CNN is not on the shame list because they did cover the story. I am going to ad CNN to my video grazing.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:57:49pm |
re: #22 Charles
O'Reilly is a first-order scumbag. He did a LOT to create the atmosphere that got Dr. George Tiller murdered. In my opinion, that was unforgivable.
I wasn't saying that he was any good, for the record. In fact, I think he is saner than Beck, which makes him worse, IMO.
I feel, in some ways, bad for Glen Beck, the same as I did for people like Pamela Anderson and Britney Spears and Michael Jackson. He's obviously in poor mental shape and I think he's being exploited. Any organization that pushes an employee in to breakdowns for public consumption is abusive.
O'Reilly is sane, but also a vile fool who is completely responsible for what he says and does.
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cliffster Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:58:15pm |
Propaganda != Information
Agenda Pushing != News Reporting
There are no news outlets on TV
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:58:17pm |
re: #26 talon_262
I'm not necessarily a fan of CNN, but I love how Sanchez ripped Fox a new one...the facts are on his side and he laid them out there for all to see.
Fox News is quickly becoming the network of choice for Nirthers, Paulians, and other unsavory "right-wing" nutjobs...for a network that had a chance in its founding to be a legitimate counter to the perceived leftward bias the other networks, cable and OTA, have shown for years, they've blown all of their credibility and impartiality to hell and gone.
It's a damn shame...
Fox is going to play to the ratings and money side of things. They always have. They're good at it. If there was a large underserved market for rabid moonbats and the right wing was being served by most of the others, they would be the flaming moonbat channel of choice and still be the ratings leader.
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endotoxin Fri, Sep 18, 2009 2:58:47pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Was the video they had about the "mysterious acorn shortage" one of them?
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:00:19pm |
Foxahaulics must have their undies in a bunch this time...I hope they do, remembering a year ago or more when I trashed Fox and their well coiffed heads...screw you now
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:00:21pm |
You don't hear much about the way that the San Joaquin valley farm industry is literally dying because of the EPA protection of the freaking delta smelt... a two inch fish... that denies water to the farmers... at least Fox has covered that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:00:43pm |
re: #29 Charles
I thought about sending a diplomatic email but I'd probably better stay out of this. I think I've caused quite enough trouble already.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:00:48pm |
re: #40 Charles
Got a snarky email from Ed Morrissey just to put the icing on the cake.
F**k him and the other "right-wing" bloggers who are catering to the absolute lowest denominator when they fan the flames of Birtherism and Paulianism, among other unsavory things.
/Ed, you can quote me on that...
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:01:00pm |
re: #49 tradewind
You don't hear much about the way that the San Joaquin valley farm industry is literally dying because of the EPA protection of the freaking delta smelt... a two inch fish... that denies water to the farmers... at least Fox has covered that.
Are you sure they told you the truth?
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:01:27pm |
re: #48 albusteve
Yeah, they're so screwed.
Ratings well over a million above any other cable news program from either CNN or MSNBC.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:01:49pm |
re: #48 albusteve
Foxahaulics must have their undies in a bunch this time...I hope they do, remembering a year ago or more when I trashed Fox and their well coiffed heads...screw you now
Doesn't bother me in the least.
/oh, wait, I went commando today
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:02:02pm |
re: #52 Sharmuta
I didn't listen to the newscasters. I listened to the farmers, and they had plenty to say. Live.
I would think you would feel some compassion for them.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:02:31pm |
re: #47 MikeySDCA
I watch with the sound off almost all the time. The captions and the crawl have less spin, though sometimes factually challenged. As to the net, my homepage is the BBC, all in all the best.
BBC on the radio comes with that extra dose of anti-Semitism that makes it just so veddy British.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:02:49pm |
re: #53 tradewind
Yeah, they're so screwed.
Ratings well over a million above any other cable news program from either CNN or MSNBC.
re-read the post...I have no patients for Fox watchers...more MSM droolers
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:02:58pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:03:12pm |
re: #40 Charles
Got a snarky email from Ed Morrissey just to put the icing on the cake.
What a guy. It took an extreme action to make him aware his blog is full of racist comments. Why does he think you or any of us care about his opinion?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:03:44pm |
re: #56 tradewind
I didn't listen to the newscasters. I listened to the farmers, and they had plenty to say. Live.
I would think you would feel some compassion for them.
So- because I question fox's veracity, I have no compassion?
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:03:52pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
I thought about sending a diplomatic email but I'd probably better stay out of this. I think I've caused quite enough trouble already.
Send an email.. lay it out...Let's see who has the balls in this blow up...
Ask Hot Air to publish it..Flat out...
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:03:55pm |
re: #54 OldLineTexan
Doesn't bother me in the least.
/oh, wait, I went commando today
cammo boxers and all?...dude!
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:04:02pm |
re: #47 MikeySDCA
I watch with the sound off almost all the time. The captions and the crawl have less spin, though sometimes factually challenged. As to the net, my homepage is the BBC, all in all the best.
Mine is CNN.com because I like their localization features.
Kudos to Charles, though, looking at my browsing history, the news site I spend the most time on is this one.
Which reminds me that it's time to hit the tip jar again.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:04:06pm |
re: #53 tradewind
It's about their legitimacy as a news organization. If you watch something on Fox News it's no longer than you have to think that it's biased.
You have to worry about whether its an out and out lie.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:04:37pm |
re: #58 albusteve
It's only mainstream America. Bunch of freaking flyover-country hicks. These people are sooo far beneath you, I understand why you have no ' patience ' with them.
Somehow I don't think they give a damn.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:04:53pm |
re: #56 tradewind
I didn't listen to the newscasters. I listened to the farmers, and they had plenty to say. Live.
I would think you would feel some compassion for them.
huh?
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Dianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:05:04pm |
I'm going to go drink a glass of wine and kibbitz about non-profit world.
Have a good evening.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:06:16pm |
re: #61 Sharmuta
You have the cutest way of taking a statement and completely rephrasing it to suit yourself, but I'm not playing. You read what I said. Take it or leave it. I'm not making up the plight of the farmers, and neither is Fox. The problem is, other outlets are ignoring it.
They'll catch up, in a few days or weeks, when they have to follow or get run over.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:06:35pm |
re: #66 tradewind
It's only mainstream America. Bunch of freaking flyover-country hicks. These people are sooo far beneath you, I understand why you have no ' patience ' with them.
Somehow I don't think they give a damn.
then the feeling is mutual...what will happen to them when Fox is discredited...cry me a river...Americans are only as stupid as they want to be...fuck the MSM
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legalpad Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:06:38pm |
I never heard this story, and all I watch is CNN and FOX. I guess I don't watch that much. I think that there is a lie told within a news organization is not news. What would be news is if one did not. Maybe some who watch more news than I can link me to that news organization who never had such a thing happen within their organization.
I think maybe some people just have a broad brush for those they perceive as in one ideological camp, and a narrower brush, a pass-giving brush, for others. Bill O'Reilly did not propagate the same lie, but he's bad too, as is all FOX news? Judging from Rick Sanchez' righteous piety I would say that one perfect news organization must be CNN. Glad I watch them.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:07:18pm |
re: #69 tradewind
Bullshit- you pulled that crap. I asked how you could trust fox news was telling you the truth and you turn it around so that I have no compassion for farmers. Screw you.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:08:18pm |
re: #67 albusteve
You have a problem understanding the concept ' compassion for farmers'?
Huh?
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:08:38pm |
More evidence that I was right to bail on Fox News over a year ago.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:09:28pm |
re: #66 tradewind
It's only mainstream America. Bunch of freaking flyover-country hicks. These people are sooo far beneath you, I understand why you have no ' patience ' with them.
Somehow I don't think they give a damn.
Uh, that's totally not what he said, but don't let reality get in the way of a good hissy fit.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:09:29pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
Nah, I think I'll let this pass. It was a reckless and extreme thing to do. It did end up making a slight difference in the tone of one conservative blog. There's a much larger problem in the real world with racism and this situation doesn't change that. I'm a little embarrassed over how much drama this has generated. I do take satisfaction that so many Hot Air readers are pissed that I spoiled their fun and they aren't allow to make racial slurs.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:10:12pm |
re: #72 Sharmuta
You asked me how I was sure they weren't lying.
I told you.
Back at'cha.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:10:16pm |
re: #73 tradewind
You have a problem understanding the concept ' compassion for farmers'?
Huh?
Grabbing the popcorn. This one should be interesting.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:10:55pm |
re: #69 tradewind
You have the cutest way of taking a statement and completely rephrasing it to suit yourself, but I'm not playing. You read what I said. Take it or leave it. I'm not making up the plight of the farmers, and neither is Fox. The problem is, other outlets are ignoring it.
They'll catch up, in a few days or weeks, when they have to follow or get run over.
When you first posted this I blew you and this story off...Nicely of course..
I was born In Firebaugh. I researched what you claimed and by Golly you are right..They are destroying farms.. Water is scarce for the farmers..
I'll put together some links this weekend and post them...
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:11:04pm |
re: #76 ~Fianna
Don't fret, it's not even in the neighborhood of a hissy fit, much less a good one.
:)
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:11:22pm |
re: #72 Sharmuta
Bullshit- you pulled that crap. I asked how you could trust fox news was telling you the truth and you turn it around so that I have no compassion for farmers. Screw you.
Mister Windbag was on here yesterday defending Depends Dobson and his views about beating "strong-willed" children. He's a piece of work.
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harrylook Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:11:23pm |
what a hilariously stupid lie! great smackdown by sanchez.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:11:56pm |
re: #79 ~Fianna
Better ask for your money back, it's not happening.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:12:02pm |
Hey, Killgore -- did you know you're an employee of mine? That's the latest conspiracy theory the brain-damaged commenters at Hot Air are tossing out.
Oh, and they found a seven-year old thread with some nasty comments on it, long before registration or any of the other tools we now have, and they're screaming about how racist LGF is because of it.
I do thank them for pointing it out, because now I can delete those comments after seven years of not seeing them.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:12:04pm |
re: #78 tradewind
You asked me how I was sure they weren't lying.
I told you.
Back at'cha.
And I would have accepted your answer had you not turned it into me having no compassion for farmers. That was completely fallacious of you and uncalled for. Your lack of logic on that was stunning and you should be embarrassed.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:12:40pm |
re: #73 tradewind
You have a problem understanding the concept ' compassion for farmers'?
Huh?
how do you get Sharmuta has no compassion for farmers?...include me in that group that dismisses Fox...a back handed insult
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:13:07pm |
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Ian MacGregor Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:13:16pm |
FOX NEWS is not a news channel. It is a news analysis channel and pundit channel. They don't cover much of anything extensively except for natural/man-made disasters, but the majority of that consists of speculation and conjecture rather than news.
It has a few good shows, but it also has many which depend on sensationalism. It's competition has a serious problem with liberal bias. FOX was a breath of fresh air. They were more balanced, but now they want to be the outrageous news network, err... commentary network
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:13:44pm |
re: #85 Charles
Hey, Killgore -- did you know you're an employee of mine? That's the latest conspiracy theory the brain-damaged commenters at Hot Air are tossing out.
Yeah, boss. That's the rumor. Can I have a raise?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:07pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Yeah, boss. That's the rumor. Can I have a raise?
Sure -- what's more than nothing?
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Neutral President Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:33pm |
re: #85 Charles
There's a Lizard check now in addition to the Zionist check? Where do I sign?
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:42pm |
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Wendya Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:43pm |
re: #35 Sharmuta
I'm really disgusted Fox would promote such a blatant lie.
It's no better than what CBS did with the Bush memo.
Sharmuta, CBS pimped the Bush memo in order to influence the result of the Presidential election. Remember?
Spreading lies about competing news organizations isn't on the same level.
As for CNN, maybe in another decade or so I'll pay attention to them. They've got a lot to make up for regarding their suppressing news out of Baghdad for fear of making Saddam Hussein angry and losing access.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:51pm |
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:53pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Yeah, boss. That's the rumor. Can I have a raise?
Damn, you're getting paid and I'm still waiting for my Borg number.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:14:57pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Yeah, boss. That's the rumor. Can I have a raise?
I'll buy you a beer if you come to visit me in Maine. My nick is blue for the next five minutes.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:15:04pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
I do take satisfaction that so many Hot Air readers are pissed that I spoiled their fun and they aren't allow to make racial slurs.
We'll see how long that lasts.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:15:22pm |
re: #89 Ian MacGregor
FOX NEWS is not a news channel. It is a news analysis channel and pundit channel. They don't cover much of anything extensively except for natural/man-made disasters, but the majority of that consists of speculation and conjecture rather than news.
It has a few good shows, but it also has many which depend on sensationalism. It's competition has a serious problem with liberal bias. FOX was a breath of fresh air. They were more balanced, but now they want to be the outrageous news network, err... commentary network
Does anyone here remember the old days of news when they had either COMMENTARY on the bottom of the screen or a cheesy wall with 'Editorial' repeated multiple times when they had those segments in the news?
Now ABSOLUTELY NO news channel or program indicates clearly when they veer off from 'hard' news into commentary.
It's one of the symptoms of the degeneration of television journalism.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:16:31pm |
re: #82 Cato the Elder
There you go again, m imPalin' yourself on your own petard.
My statement that occasionally smacking a toddler on the behind is not horrific had nothing to do with defending Dobson, nor did I mention his name.
Hang tough, Cato, only ten or so days left to grit those teeth!
/By the way, your gen-dar is really weak. Not a guy/.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:16:37pm |
re: #98 Cato the Elder
Thanks, but I don't think I'm going to be in the area anytime soon. I almost took a job there many years ago. Beautiful country but I don't think I'd enjoy the winters much.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:16:38pm |
re: #95 Wendya
Lies are lies. Justify watching a liar network however you see fit to justify it.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:16:56pm |
re: #100 Charles
I'm guessing not long.
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DeliLama Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:16:57pm |
It warms my heart to see media people holding each other accountable. As Glenn Reynolds would say, "More, please!"
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:17:41pm |
re: #98 Cato the Elder
I'll buy you a beer if you come to visit me in Maine. My nick is blue for the next five minutes.
You're in Maine? What part? I go to an island off of Portland often
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:18:11pm |
re: #106 DeliLama
It warms my heart to see media people holding each other accountable. As Glenn Reynolds would say, "More, please!"
I'd like to see some accountability on the Van Jones and ACORN coverage, too.
But CNN is clearly in the right on this one. And Fox is clearly in the wrong.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:18:26pm |
re: #95 Wendya
Sharmuta, CBS pimped the Bush memo in order to influence the result of the Presidential election. Remember?
Spreading lies about competing news organizations isn't on the same level.
As for CNN, maybe in another decade or so I'll pay attention to them. They've got a lot to make up for regarding their suppressing news out of Baghdad for fear of making Saddam Hussein angry and losing access.
I'm pissed at CNN for their shenanigans during the first Gulf War and also at Christiana Amanpour, who is employed by them (personal reasons that go toward her reputation for compassion). I will watch them if there is a breaking story that deserves video coverage and I also to catch up quickly in the morning. If you only knew how MUCH CNN pissed me off, you would know how much I grew to hate Fox News.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:18:36pm |
re: #104 Sharmuta
Lies are lies. Justify watching a liar network however you see fit to justify it.
Fox sucks...they always have...people addicted to TV news are tools, numbers for generating money...I hate the MSM
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:18:39pm |
re: #107 sattv4u2
You're in Maine? What part? I go to an island off of Portland often
Drop me a line and I'll fill you in.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:18:45pm |
re: #101 Dreader1962
Does anyone here remember the old days of news when they had either COMMENTARY on the bottom of the screen or a cheesy wall with 'Editorial' repeated multiple times when they had those segments in the news?
Now ABSOLUTELY NO news channel or program indicates clearly when they veer off from 'hard' news into commentary.
It's one of the symptoms of the degeneration of television journalism.
Cronkite opined on the CBS News that the war in Viet Nam was "mired in stalemate" after the Tet Offensive.
It was complete editorial, and also completely untrue.
That was a LONG time ago, in modern memory spans.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:19:20pm |
re: #110 albusteve
Fox sucks...they always have...people addicted to TV news are tools, numbers for generating money...I hate the MSM
WHERE IS YOUR COMPASSION FOR FARMERS!!11!11
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:19:24pm |
re: #112 OldLineTexan
Cronkite opined on the CBS News that the war in Viet Nam was "mired in stalemate" after the Tet Offensive.
It was complete editorial, and also completely untrue.
That was a LONG time ago, in modern memory spans.
You're right -- that was an editorial, and it was also clearly labeled as such.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:19:39pm |
BTW, just to putthings into perspective, Fox News, the "Dominant" news channel: "It placed #2 in primetime among all cable channels — behind only USA — and averaged 2.6 million viewers for the week, which included President Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress."
In other words, less than 1 percent of the entire US population watched Fox News during that week.
For more perspective, Battlestar Galactica had double the ratings of O'Reilly, Hannity and the others.
Now, mind you I think those couple million people are dedicated to Fox News, but really, they're not quite the monolith that people would think.
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DaddyG Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:19:59pm |
I wouldn't be able to judge- I skip over the cable and network news channels to get to weather, travel and food channels.
If I want news I go to the net.
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:06pm |
My nick is blue for the next five minutes.
What does "my nick is blue" mean?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:16pm |
re: #104 Sharmuta
Lies are lies. Justify watching a liar network however you see fit to justify it.
Are there any news organizations that DON'T lie?
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:24pm |
Bottom line is that every one of the news broadcasts on every one of the networks, including cable, have at one time or another gotten it totally wrong re one story or another.
Some of them more often than others.
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:24pm |
Well, fox does suck. but Red Eye is a great show.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:38pm |
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:46pm |
re: #112 OldLineTexan
Cronkite opined on the CBS News that the war in Viet Nam was "mired in stalemate" after the Tet Offensive.
It was complete editorial, and also completely untrue.
That was a LONG time ago, in modern memory spans.
Yes, but that was a rarity. As I've said, they make no effort now to divide hard news from commentary. All channels are guilty of this. If they do anything, they come up with cutesy names like, "Eye on America" (CBS).
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:50pm |
re: #111 Cato the Elder
Drop me a line and I'll fill you in.
I'll hit you up Sunday or Monday from my work e-mail
Wifey and son use this addy and will most likely delete anything from someone they don't recognize
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DaddyG Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:20:53pm |
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:20pm |
re: #117 Danny
(Ask your Dad or older brother)
Just kidding... it means they can be reached by email.
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DeliLama Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:23pm |
There is a massive gaping hole where jounalism used to exist. The first organization to fill it will become very wealthy.
Someone mentioned that the news serves as a sort of referee. The official who tells us what factually happened, or rather who what when where why. When all the referees become biased (or even appear to be biased), the game gets ugly.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:26pm |
re: #113 Sharmuta
WHERE IS YOUR COMPASSION FOR FARMERS!!11!11
Fox News...your source for honest, compassionate news
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:34pm |
re: #108 Salamantis
I'd like to see some accountability on the Van Jones and ACORN coverage, too.
But CNN is clearly in the right on this one. And Fox is clearly in the wrong.
Agreed ,,,
stopped clock ,, blind squirrel and all that!
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:52pm |
re: #114 Charles
You're right -- that was an editorial, and it was also clearly labeled as such.
Really? I remember the quote, but don't have a picture memory of the label. Do you have a link to the raw video?
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DaddyG Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:21:59pm |
re: #117 Danny
What does "my nick is blue" mean?
If their name is blue that means they inserted their e-mail and you can click on it to send a message.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:22:11pm |
re: #122 Dreader1962
Yes, but that was a rarity. As I've said, they make no effort now to divide hard news from commentary. All channels are guilty of this. If they do anything, they come up with cutesy names like, "Eye on America" (CBS).
Walter Cronkite's editorial piece about the Tet Offensive was clearly labeled as an editorial. Look it up.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:22:24pm |
re: #114 Charles
You're right -- that was an editorial, and it was also clearly labeled as such.
You are correct ... an announced editorial on the evening news. By the same authority figure who delivered the regular news. With the result desired.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:22:45pm |
re: #102 tradewind
I lost it last night. My vow is in the trash. But I'll still refrain from Palinizing for the remaining days.
And there's been so much other rightwad stuff to mock, it really hasn't been hard. If I had skipped the second glass of vinho verde yesterday, who knows? I might have made it.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:22:48pm |
re: #116 DaddyG
I wouldn't be able to judge- I skip over the cable and network news channels to get to weather, travel and food channels.
If I want news I go to the net.
televisions are the perfect device for enjoying a football game...almost divine eh?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:05pm |
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:06pm |
OK thanks. I'll probably regret asking this, but how do I make my nick blue? [cringing]
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:07pm |
re: #117 Danny
If you want your nic blue, edit your profile to include your e-mail.
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DaddyG Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:34pm |
These days I figure if a media outlet created it then it's automatically an editorial.
People were raking muck before we were a country. This is really nothing surprising.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:42pm |
re: #136 Danny
OK thanks. I'll probably regret asking this, but how do I make my nick blue? [cringing]
give it a plastic bag to play with
/bad parenting manual
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:43pm |
re: #116 DaddyG
I wouldn't be able to judge- I skip over the cable and network news channels to get to weather, travel and food channels.
If I want news I go to the net.
Ditto. I prefer my news this way, where I can verify and fact check immediately.
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DeliLama Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:43pm |
re: #108 Salamantis
I'd like to see some accountability on the Van Jones and ACORN coverage, too.
Absolutely! But I'm actually happy to see them slugging each other. I wish the Dems and Republicans would do the same and forget about bipartisanship. I want all politicians to have to watch their ass and I don't want to have to be the one holding them accountable. It should be the other side doing so.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:23:54pm |
Cables News Slapfight!
/is the "s" intentional?
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reddragon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:24:15pm |
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:24:22pm |
re: #136 Danny
OK thanks. I'll probably regret asking this, but how do I make my nick blue? [cringing]
just above the box wjere you type your comments,,
theres a line where you can add your addy
then check Show e-mail
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:24:30pm |
re: #137 sngnsgt
If you want your nic blue, edit your profile to include your e-mail.
Looks like my email is in there. Does my [typing carefully] nick look blue to y'all.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:01pm |
re: #144 reddragon
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
You're missing a sarc tag there...
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:18pm |
re: #146 sattv4u2
just above the box wjere you type your comments,,
theres a line where you can add your addy
then check Show e-mail
Ah, how bout now?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:18pm |
re: #144 reddragon
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
Yeah! Who cares if they lie? Lying is cool!
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:21pm |
re: #133 Cato the Elder
I lost it last night. My vow is in the trash. But I'll still refrain from Palinizing for the remaining days.
And there's been so much other rightwad stuff to mock, it really hasn't been hard. If I had skipped the second glass of vinho verde yesterday, who knows? I might have made it.
evil wine...ruinous stuff
nice try tho
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:26pm |
re: #136 Danny
OK thanks. I'll probably regret asking this, but how do I make my nick blue? [cringing]
Click on the "show email" box above the comment field. If you've never done it before, you'll have to enter your email. After that it will show up every time you check the box.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:25:35pm |
re: #133 Cato the Elder
I lost it last night. My vow is in the trash. But I'll still refrain from Palinizing for the remaining days.
And there's been so much other rightwad stuff to mock, it really hasn't been hard. If I had skipped the second glass of vinho verde yesterday, who knows? I might have made it.
I'm very proud of you..You vowed a month and you made it 2 weeks.. That is a good first step...Check out New Horizons in Malibu..Brittany goes there..Lindsey has a standing reservation
There is help for you Cato..
*wink*
Hope today finds you well
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:09pm |
re: #149 ~Fianna
Probably not being sarcastic, I guess.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:10pm |
re: #144 reddragon
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
They lie.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:15pm |
re: #144 reddragon
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
Are you f**king kidding me?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:48pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:54pm |
re: #153 Cato the Elder
Click on the "show email" box above the comment field. If you've never done it before, you'll have to enter your email. After that it will show up every time you check the box.
You can put your email in your user profile and turn it on at will after that.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:26:55pm |
re: #131 Charles
Walter Cronkite editorial piece about the Tet Offensive was clearly labeled as an editorial. Look it up.
I don't doubt it, but I can't find the raw video on YouTube. I've got an interview that must have been just a few years ago about the subject, and they refer to it as an Editorial.
Again, I believe that they labeled it as an editorial; they were very consistent back then. Much more integrity from that generation. Even though I also believe that Cronkite was incorrect in his opinion, I don't think he's a traitor for making that editorial like some do.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:28:04pm |
re: #151 Charles
Yeah! Who cares if they lie? Lying is cool!
Again - are there any news sources that DON't lie? This is an honest question. I come from a country that handpicks the news to "shape" and entire nation. They pick the news that supports their agenda - so while they might not lie, they don't tell the entire truth - and that is almost as dangerous as leaders like Chavez who restrict the freedom of the press.
I can give LOTS of examples
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DeliLama Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:28:04pm |
Imagine a major league sporting game where the referee/umpire would routinely make editorial announcements about which team is really playing better and who would win. Would you trust them to be unbiased after that? Maybe at first, but not for long.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:28:24pm |
re: #161 Sharmuta
You can put your email in your user profile and turn it on at will after that.
That's right. That's how it's done.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:28:51pm |
Fairness Doctorine, Argentine Style...
Of course, it's not just politics. This comes less than a month after the De Kirchner regime pressured the Argentine Futbol Association to rescind a broadcast contract with Grupo Clarin.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:28:53pm |
re: #164 kiwiviv
Again - are there any news sources that DON't lie? This is an honest question. I come from a country that handpicks the news to "shape" and entire nation. They pick the news that supports their agenda - so while they might not lie, they don't tell the entire truth - and that is almost as dangerous as leaders like Chavez who restrict the freedom of the press.
I can give LOTS of examples
You're talking about cases that are arguable. You may not like what they're telling you, but it's not an outright lie.
THIS was an outright lie. And they knew it.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:29:05pm |
re: #164 kiwiviv
I come from a country like that too, and that is a poor excuse.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:29:33pm |
re: #162 Dreader1962
I don't doubt it, but I can't find the raw video on YouTube. I've got an interview that must have been just a few years ago about the subject, and they refer to it as an Editorial.
Again, I believe that they labeled it as an editorial; they were very consistent back then. Much more integrity from that generation. Even though I also believe that Cronkite was incorrect in his opinion, I don't think he's a traitor for making that editorial like some do.
the fool had no idea what he was talking about...a shameful stretch...I was there...the Tet O was a catastrophic defeat for the Viet Cong and set the NVA back years...a terrific victory for the USA
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:29:44pm |
The last time I was somewhere I could really watch any cable news, it was CNN and to tell you the truth- I'm not sure why folks are still so down on them. They seemed a bit more balanced then I had recalled before. I saw nothing in that half hour to suggest they were doing anything other than reporting the news. If I ever go back to watching tv (I doubt I will) I'll go with CNN over fox.
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Sergeant Major Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:29:47pm |
There is NOT 1 news agency that's "FAIR AND BALANCED" MSNBC has Oberhead Fox has O'reilly...So in order for everyone to get fair and balanced news you have to watch 12 hours of NBC or CNN and then change to FOX for the next 12 hours...
and by the time your done watching all of that garbage you may want to check your self into a mental health facility.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:29:57pm |
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:30:04pm |
re: #164 kiwiviv
Again - are there any news sources that DON't lie? This is an honest question. I come from a country that handpicks the news to "shape" and entire nation. They pick the news that supports their agenda - so while they might not lie, they don't tell the entire truth - and that is almost as dangerous as leaders like Chavez who restrict the freedom of the press.
I can give LOTS of examples
At least in this country you have a plethora of news sources - they can counter each other and hold each other accountable when something like this happens - I think FOX is fine on many issues - but there are plenty of other places to fined the full story. I don't know of any news channel that doesn't slant the news their way.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:30:06pm |
Again with the "They do it too!" excuse.
There are no words to express how weary I am of hearing this one.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:30:49pm |
re: #168 Charles
You're talking about cases that are arguable. You may not like what they're telling you, but it's not an outright lie.
THIS was an outright lie. And they knew it.
Oh yes - I have seen NZ HErald lie - for sure
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Wendya Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:30:52pm |
re: #104 Sharmuta
Lies are lies. Justify watching a liar network however you see fit to justify it.
Pimping a fake memo in an attempt to influence the results of a Presidential election isn't even in the same sphere as telling lies about your competitor.
I don't watch Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC or MSNBC. I don't watch television period. I am not justifying the ad by Fox. Pointing out CNN's egregious behavior doesn't justify what Fox did. I don't like either of them and pointing out that CNN has no moral high ground to stand on doesn't change that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:31:27pm |
Anybody else think the big issue here is not Fox's lie but the fact that they promote Tea Parties instead of just covering them?
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:31:44pm |
Bill O'Reilly Endorses Public Option in Health Care Reform
Bill O'Reilly, who used to call public option "socialism", now seem to have turned around and supported a government health insurance plan for the poor.
In an interview with Nina Owcharenko of Heritage Foundation, O'Reilly said he thought if government could provide cheaper insurance, it would be a plus for the folks. He said Americans should put ideology aside if the government can do a good job.
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:31:55pm |
re: #179 Cato the Elder
Anybody else think the big issue here is not Fox's lie but the fact that they promote Tea Parties instead of just covering them?
Bingo.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:32:32pm |
re: #165 DeliLama
Imagine a major league sporting game where the referee/umpire would routinely make editorial announcements about which team is really playing better and who would win. Would you trust them to be unbiased after that? Maybe at first, but not for long.
You can't make that assertion with sports..That borderlines ridiculous...
Try another comparison..
/fail
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:33:12pm |
Tempest meet...
Smile! Your on Candid Camera.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:34:04pm |
re: #179 Cato the Elder
Anybody else think the big issue here is not Fox's lie but the fact that they promote Tea Parties instead of just covering them?
promote?...as in the potential for making money?...gee whiz, they must have hit the jackpot then...I fart in their direction
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:34:30pm |
re: #162 Dreader1962
I don't doubt it, but I can't find the raw video on YouTube.
It used to be easy to find but it's not there anymore.
/apparently it's been removed from YouTube
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:34:34pm |
Well, I guess the question is which news organization is the least dishonest? Not that it's really a prize to be proud of.
Ya, Fox may suck, but who is better?
Which channel has the highest integrity?
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:35:25pm |
re: #187 redshirt
Well, I guess the question is which news organization is the least dishonest? Not that it's really a prize to be proud of.
Ya, Fox may suck, but who is better?
Which channel has the highest integrity?
who cares?...read a book or take a walk, don't let the MSM use you
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:35:49pm |
I think a lot of the excuse makers here *Cough* are commenting WITHOUT watching the video.
Because if you watch and you're first reaction is "CNN do it too!", well, there is something wrong with you.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:36:15pm |
re: #178 Wendya
I think it shows lack of journalistic ethics. You want to assign degrees- knock yourself out. Regardless of your degrees, I think both CBS and Fox have shown no professional ethics- neither should be trusted now.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:36:56pm |
re: #179 Cato the Elder
Anybody else think the big issue here is not Fox's lie but the fact that they promote Tea Parties instead of just covering them?
Yes. Let's not forget that they covered and promoted the April 15th parties and even referred to them as "FNC tax-day tea parties"
That Rick Sanchez smackdown was beautiful. Damn, I feel GREAT.
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:37:46pm |
Odd statistic here. 538.com citing a Pew Research Survey, says among other things that: 43% of Democrats view Fox News positively (as do 72% of Republicans.)
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:37:59pm |
re: #189 erraticsphinx
I think a lot of the excuse makers here *Cough* are commenting WITHOUT watching the video.
Because if you watch and you're first reaction is "CNN do it too!", well, there is something wrong with you.
the MSM is a collective...they don't give a shit about fair and balanced, the care about ratings and profit
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:38:15pm |
re: #188 albusteve
who cares?...read a book or take a walk, don't let the MSM use you
What? Noone is using me. I am asking a question about the state of television news. Are they all for the crapper, or do any of them actually try to have some integrity.
I do read, lots. And I am very upset that I just finished the last of the Dresden Files and have to wait til next year for the next one.
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arethusa Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:38:26pm |
re: #192 Flyers1974
I saw that too. I noted that more Democrats trusted Fox than the New York Times.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:39:09pm |
re: #192 Flyers1974
Wierd...that's a pretty high number, and I doubt all 43% are watching for the sole purpose to keep close tabs on 'the opposition'.
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MJ Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:39:56pm |
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:40:25pm |
Noone is yo momma!
Sheesh, don't show my wife, she's a teacher.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:40:30pm |
re: #193 albusteve
In Fox News case, it is a self perpetuating thing.
1) Promote an event that is blatantly partisan in all your shows over and over again
2) Blame other news organizations for not cheerleading it
3) Say you're the fair and balanced one.
Am I the only one who sees this charade?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:41:08pm |
re: #196 Diego
Faux News - Fairly Unbalanced
Faux News: We Report, You Deride
Heh. Hola Diego. How goes it, Comrade?
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Diego Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:41:15pm |
Funny how Glenn Beck didn't even show up to his own ball..
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doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:41:50pm |
re: #29 Charles
I used to consider Allahpundit a friend, so I emailed him to let him know that I've removed all the links to Hot Air from LGF, and that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt last night.
We'll see if they bother to let their moronic horde of readers know that.
By the way, I'm assuming you saw this (from the comments):
In brief, some nut from Little Green Turds came here and spammed the comment section with racist comments in the middle of the night.
Then he goes back to Little Green Turds and said that Hotair’s management, led by a Filipina, is racist his racist comments were not deleted until somebody woke up.
Charles Johnson (whose name by the way is found in the Megan’s Law website, make of that what you will) is the owner of Little Green Turds and promoted this tactic.
No, I’m not kidding.
Apologetic California on September 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM
I don't know what happened, but this is really messed up. Claiming that your on the Megan's Law website?
Fucking crazy, unless you helped build it or something.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:41:53pm |
re: #194 redshirt
I already mentioned that the last time I watched any cab;e news, CNN seemed rational. They had balance in their report, and I think it stems from the competition they received from Fox. They've made strides in being less biased. It was noticeable, at least for me.
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Diego Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:42:37pm |
re: #205 iceweasel
Faux News: We Report, You Deride
Heh. Hola Diego. How goes it, Comrade?
lo dudette :)
More like 'We Distort, and Deride' :¬D
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:42:45pm |
re: #197 Fenway_Nation
Wierd...that's a pretty high number, and I doubt all 43% are watching for the sole purpose to keep close tabs on 'the opposition'.
It actually says the 43% view Fox "positively" not merely that they tune in. I agree, it does seem really high.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:42:57pm |
re: #190 Sharmuta
I think it shows lack of journalistic ethics. You want to assign degrees- knock yourself out. Regardless of your degrees, I think both CBS and Fox have shown no professional ethics- neither should be trusted now.
I, like many others, are perfectly capable of researching a story to find the different angles. If someone chooses to get their news off the television, well... all I can say is you're probably not very informed. As for my CNN comment, I just find it funny when they shriek about ethics since they've scored so very, very poorly in that category.
We're talking about TV, for Christ's sake.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:42:58pm |
re: #208 Sharmuta
I already mentioned that the last time I watched any cab;e news, CNN seemed rational. They had balance in their report, and I think it stems from the competition they received from Fox. They've made strides in being less biased. It was noticeable, at least for me.
Yes, but where is their compassion for farmers?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:43:50pm |
re: #207 doubter4444
By the way, I'm assuming you saw this (from the comments):
In brief, some nut from Little Green Turds came here and spammed the comment section with racist comments in the middle of the night.Then he goes back to Little Green Turds and said that Hotair’s management, led by a Filipina, is racist his racist comments were not deleted until somebody woke up.
Charles Johnson (whose name by the way is found in the Megan’s Law website, make of that what you will) is the owner of Little Green Turds and promoted this tactic.
No, I’m not kidding.
Apologetic California on September 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM
I don't know what happened, but this is really messed up. Claiming that your on the Megan's Law website?
Fucking crazy, unless you helped build it or something.
Right -- they're patting themselves on the back for getting rid of the racist comments about Michelle Obama, and turning right around and allowing that kind of stuff to be posted about me.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:44:01pm |
L'shana tova to all the Jewish lizards; I'm about to get dressed and head to Rosh Hashanah services
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AngusMcP Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:44:06pm |
re: #40 Charles
Ed Morrissey used to be terrific at CQ. However, since moving to HA he's lost all rationality and now is nothing more than a frothing at the mouth screamer like Beck. I emailed Ed about a month ago to say how sorry I was that he had lost his mind.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:44:24pm |
re: #207 doubter4444
By the way, I'm assuming you saw this (from the comments):
In brief, some nut from Little Green Turds came here and spammed the comment section with racist comments in the middle of the night.Then he goes back to Little Green Turds and said that Hotair’s management, led by a Filipina, is racist his racist comments were not deleted until somebody woke up.
Charles Johnson (whose name by the way is found in the Megan’s Law website, make of that what you will) is the owner of Little Green Turds and promoted this tactic.
No, I’m not kidding.
Apologetic California on September 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM
I don't know what happened, but this is really messed up. Claiming that your on the Megan's Law website?
Fucking crazy, unless you helped build it or something.
I wonder exactly how many Charles Johnsons there are in the state of California, never mind the entire US.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:44:25pm |
re: #212 kiwiviv
Yes, but where is their compassion for farmers?
people that don't watch Fox News do not eat food
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:44:49pm |
re: #196 Diego
When is the clown section of the left going to understand that ' Faux ' and 'Fox' are pronounced not at all similarly?
Not that accuracy matters there, either.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:45:35pm |
If you read that thread, the personal attacks and disgusting gay-bashing remarks are so out of control, it's impossible not to notice. Clearly, Ed and his partner Allahpundit have no problem with it.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:45:41pm |
re: #216 ~Fianna
I wonder exactly how many Charles Johnsons there are in the state of California, never mind the entire US.
I can't tell you how many times in my work with confidential documents I've come across 'Charles Johnson'.
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Throbert McGee Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:45:43pm |
re: #29 Charles
I used to consider Allahpundit a friend, so I emailed him to let him know that I've removed all the links to Hot Air from LGF, and that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt last night.
Can someone summarize for me "KT's stunt last night"?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:46:02pm |
re: #214 Kosh's Shadow
L'shana tova to all the Jewish lizards; I'm about to get dressed and head to Rosh Hashanah services
G_d bless your folks and the services you are going to tonight
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:46:14pm |
re: #195 arethusa
I saw that too. I noted that more Democrats trusted Fox than the New York Times.
I wonder how many Democrats read the NYT v. how many watch Fox. I bet many more watch.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:46:19pm |
re: #216 ~Fianna
That's funny... there are more than fifty in my phonebook alone.
The reaches some people will make...
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:46:38pm |
re: #218 tradewind
When is the clown section of the left going to understand that ' Faux ' and 'Fox' are pronounced not at all similarly?
Not that accuracy matters there, either.
We know accuracy doesn't matter for Faux News.
And Faux news works perfectly in print, just not spoken, for those troglodytes on the right who can't comprehend that.
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:46:55pm |
KT kept posting about wookies and N***rs trying to get booted
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:47:34pm |
re: #221 Throbert McGee
Not allahpundit too?
Dammit, who's left besides the leftys?
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Neutral President Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:48:07pm |
re: #226 redshirt
I think even masking that particular word is a nono around here.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:48:07pm |
re: #220 Sharmuta
I can't tell you how many times in my work with confidential documents I've come across 'Charles Johnson'.
*nod* I'm sure that the Megan's Law database is fairly large and there are a number of repeat names. And lots of Johns, Charleses, Joes, Peters and Roberts.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:48:18pm |
re: #223 Flyers1974
Wait...does the poll include the Fox news cable channel, local Fox affiliates...or both?
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Throbert McGee Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:48:22pm |
Thanks, Ensign Redshirt -- keep your head down and don't be a hero! ;-)
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:48:34pm |
re: #219 Charles
If you read that thread, the personal attacks and disgusting gay-bashing remarks are so out of control, it's impossible not to notice. Clearly, Ed and his partner Allahpundit have no problem with it.
Why would they? They've allowed this disgusting behavior to go unchecked for months on end, so why would they stop it now? Allahpundit doesn't even stand up for himself when they trash him, why would they stand up for you? They're a couple of cowards afraid of their own people. Pathetic.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:49:06pm |
re: #226 redshirt
A regular Robert Byrd.
Of course, he never got reprimanded by the full Congress, so I guess it all depends on who says it.
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:49:18pm |
re: #228 ArchangelMichael
I think even masking that particular word is a nono around here.
Well someone wanted to know what he was doing, so it was germaine to the post.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:49:30pm |
re: #69 tradewind
I'm not making up the plight of the farmers, and neither is Fox. The problem is, other outlets are ignoring it.
Not true. I don't have cable, but all the local network news shows have been covering this for quite some time. A few months, actually.
Of course, I live in the valley, so that might have something to do with the amount of coverage I am seeing.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:49:37pm |
re: #224 tradewind
That's funny... there are more than fifty in my phonebook alone.
The reaches some people will make...
Yup. It's sorta like asking someone when they stopped beating their wife, though. Once you put it out there, nasty shit like that tends to stick.
They were nice and careful, though. Note that they didn't say Charles was in the Megan's Law database... Just that the name was, so we could make of that what we will.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:49:59pm |
re: #231 Throbert McGee
Thanks, Ensign Redshirt -- keep your head down and don't be a hero! ;-)
ha! Hi Throbert. :)
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psyop Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:50:26pm |
We have this essential bit of philosophy trained, beaten and hardwired (as much as possible given human fallability) into PSYOP specialists in the U.S. Army (and, I assume, in our Marine counterparts). Whenever we put out a product, or develop a program designed to inform, persuade or influence, you MUST NOT EVER LIE. Credibility is paramount. If your campaign is less effective than you desire, do your best to change the situation. But NEVER LIE. Once you have been caught lying, even in the most noble of endeavors, your credibility, and therefore, your effectiveness in getting YOUR point across has been compromised. Sometimes fatally.
Basic point, Don't fucking lie!
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:50:36pm |
Does anybody notice an under the surface racial tinge in the Drudge Report?
Especially in the recent weeks.
I've been reading it for years, and I never noticed this before.
This is insane.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:50:48pm |
re: #212 kiwiviv
Yes, but where is their compassion for farmers?
LOL
Hey I read your profile...I'm a Native Californian And I'll bet you are so proud to have a Son with a Bronze star around his Neck.. Thank your Son for me for his service to our country...God bless Him...
One small point.. Your Son did not earn the bronze star...That's not possible..
You Son was Awarded the Bronze Star..
You might want to update that...
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:50:49pm |
re: #226 redshirt
KT kept posting about wookies and N***rs trying to get booted
No, he posted to make a point. How many people objected, Killgore? How many told you to shut the f*ck up? How many agreed?
Now Hot Air has banned "wookie" comments and similar not-even-thinly-veiled racist crap - supposedly. Which Killgore did not invent or start. He pushed things to an extreme to make a point. And they're mad at him now for showing up what a cesspool their comments section had become.
They should be sending him a case of Scotch.
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Throbert McGee Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:51:16pm |
What's the name of the HA thread where Mr. Trout posted? And is it the same as the thread with the gay-bashing, etc.?
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:51:44pm |
re: #233 tradewind
A regular Robert Byrd.
Of course, he never got reprimanded by the full Congress, so I guess it all depends on who says it.
Um, are you insulting me? I was telling someone what Killgore Trout was posting on HA last night. How, then can I tell them what he said if I can't tell him what he said?
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:51:52pm |
re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya think?
:)
I'm sure that locally it is one of the ongoing top stories. I just meant that the rest of the nation is pretty much in the dark.
They'll find out, I guess, when groceries start skyrocketing across the country and some bright investigative reporters decides to find out why...
/semi sarc/
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:52:03pm |
re: #242 Throbert McGee
What's the name of the HA thread where Mr. Trout posted? And is it the same as the thread with the gay-bashing, etc.?
They deleted all the comments in question.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:52:09pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
How many people objected, Killgore?
Pretty much everybody. I'm still on the fence about this one myself.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:52:16pm |
re: #242 Throbert McGee
What's the name of the HA thread where Mr. Trout posted? And is it the same as the thread with the gay-bashing, etc.?
Every thread on HA turns into a gaybashing thread if it goes on long enough.
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:52:48pm |
re: #230 Fenway_Nation
Wait...does the poll include the Fox news cable channel, local Fox affiliates...or both?
It doesn't specify in either the 538 article or the PEW article, but good point. I'd think they would make it clear to those they surveyed that the issue was Fox News and not the local affiliates, but I don't know for a fact.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:52:54pm |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Pretty much everybody. I'm still on the fence about this one myself.
I didn't object. Left a defense of you downstairs at the end of a thread.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:53:58pm |
I am enjoying the Hot Air commenters try to figure out which racist slurs and comparisons they're still allowed to make. Ed has his hands full.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:54:18pm |
I have lost all respect for Allahpundit. Dude- you deserve every ounce of crap your people throw at you. You're a door mat. I can't respect that at all. Can't stand up for your friends, can't stand up for decency, can't even stand up for yourself. Pathetic. And when they drive you off that blog... you'll deserve that too.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:54:18pm |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
LOL
Hey I read your profile...I'm a Native Californian And I'll bet you are so proud to have a Son with a Bronze star around his Neck.. Thank your Son for me for his service to our country...God bless Him...
One small point.. Your Son did not earn the bronze star...That's not possible..
You Son was Awarded the Bronze Star..
You might want to update that...
Hey - thanks for that. I will certainly pass on your regards. Unfortunately, I didn't get to his award ceremony as he never told me beforehand of the circumstances that lead to the award. He doesn't talk much about the brave things he did over in Iraq - just the funny stuff - we have had some fine times.
I will definitely update that
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:54:30pm |
re: #239 erraticsphinx
No, but I'm sure there is one. Has to be.
Did you know that all those criticisms of our president are like, totally, racially motivated?
People just don't like the fact that Obama is in the White House because he's black.
/heavy sarc for those who need to see one/
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Neutral President Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:54:30pm |
re: #249 iceweasel
I think he meant the commenters on HA at the time. None of them agreed with him at the time, or at least they didn't fall for it and self-moderated. Am I right KT?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:54:39pm |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Pretty much everybody. I'm still on the fence about this one myself.
Just to be clear, I meant "how many people on Hot Air" objected to what you said. Not here.
If pretty much everybody there did, then that does change things a bit...doesn't it?
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:55:54pm |
Curious, would Sith and Gungan be considered offensive?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:56:22pm |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
I live near Sacramento (Woodland) - where are you?
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:56:34pm |
re: #252 kiwiviv
Hey - thanks for that. I will certainly pass on your regards. Unfortunately, I didn't get to his award ceremony as he never told me beforehand of the circumstances that lead to the award. He doesn't talk much about the brave things he did over in Iraq - just the funny stuff - we have had some fine times.
I will definitely update that
My son served in Fallujah with the 3/5 Marines..I met at Camp P. a Marine that was awarded the Bronze Star for the first push into Fallujah with the 2/5..
Is your Son a Marine?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:57:17pm |
re: #256 redshirt
Curious, would Sith and Gungan be considered offensive?
Please. You know damned well why it's offensive to call a black person a "wookie." Don't play dumb.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:58:57pm |
re: #244 tradewind
Ya think?
Kind of my point. You're not seeing it on many channels because it is a local issue. For now.
Orchards are being bulldozed for lack of water. Lots of people are out of work. A state that is already in economic trouble is knee-capping a $36B/year industry that provides 50% of this country's produce.
I'm super pissed about this situation as well, but it doesn't help to confuse Lizard's comments about FNC with the situation the farmers are in.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:59:03pm |
re: #257 kiwiviv
I live near Sacramento (Woodland) - where are you?
I was born in firebaugh and grew up in Napa Valley..Went to College there..Worked at Mare Island for 20 years and transfered to the corn fields of Indiana.. I'm now a hoosier...*wink*
I still have a daughter goofing off at UC Davis...
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Flyers1974 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:59:21pm |
re: #230 Fenway_Nation
Reading further the PEW article and based on the amount of detail, I get the impression that they were smart enough to make that distinction. And they also reference local news in another context. Still, not 100% sure.
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 3:59:48pm |
I'm just having fun with Star Wars names. I agree that wookie is horrible. Is any name calling towards MO considered racist, though?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:00:18pm |
re: #258 HoosierHoops
My son served in Fallujah with the 3/5 Marines..I met at Camp P. a Marine that was awarded the Bronze Star for the first push into Fallujah with the 2/5..
Is your Son a Marine?
Army - 1st Cav. Division. He was a Cav Scout. He is home now, but was in the front lines of Sadr City - hit by IED's 20 times in the year he was there. No one soldier under his command was hurt.
Correction has been made
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:00:30pm |
re: #263 redshirt
I'm just having fun with Star Wars names. I agree that wookie is horrible. Is any name calling towards MO considered racist, though?
No, just the racist names.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:01:00pm |
re: #263 redshirt
I'm just having fun with Star Wars names. I agree that wookie is horrible. Is any name calling towards MO considered racist, though?
How about we not resort to name calling, huh? We can't argue against policy without calling names of something?
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Greengolem64 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:01:58pm |
re: #33 ~Fianna
I don't have a TV, so I only catch the "good" stuff that goes around.
Frankly, I get most of my news from the net now. I find that it's easier to do my own fact checking than to let someone else do it for me. At least I can be reasonably certain that I'm sorting out the spin from the facts.
So...in all seriousness, where do people go for their fully accurate and unfettered news?
I listen to several different news sources on TV and Radio. It IS interesting to note how many hotels do NOT have FNC but do have all the rest...
News print isn't much better. So where DO people go on the net or otherwise? From my own viewpoint there is NO completely trustworthy news source and its up to the viewer/listener/reader to do their own vetting.
GG
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redshirt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:02:13pm |
re: #265 iceweasel
No, just the racist names.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
It's not hard to grasp. I agree about the word wookie.
But if you tell me that any name you use is racist, then I disagree.
If I call BO a Sith Lord, it is not motivated by racism.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:02:29pm |
re: #261 HoosierHoops
I was born in firebaugh and grew up in Napa Valley..Went to College there..Worked at Mare Island for 20 years and transfered to the corn fields of Indiana.. I'm now a hoosier...*wink*
I still have a daughter goofing off at UC Davis...
Oh yeah! "Hoosier!" Sorry - I'm not so quick on names like that. I LOVE Napa Valley - we take every visitor over there. UCD!! We go to the rugby games over there. UCD has a great team.
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:03:30pm |
re: #255 Cato the Elder
Just to be clear, I meant "how many people on Hot Air" objected to what you said. Not here.
If pretty much everybody there did, then that does change things a bit...doesn't it?
I watched it happen. FWIW, I don't think KT's "experiment" was very meaningful. His comments were so over-the-top that they came across as mockery. Most people objected, and a few tried to ignore it. Nobody took anything he said seriously.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:03:36pm |
re: #266 Sharmuta
How about we not resort to name calling, huh? We can't argue against policy without calling names of something?
Yeah.
And how about assuming that if you have to ask whether a certain nasty name is racist, it probably is and you shouldn't use it?
Really tired of the racist apologetics and the wide-eyed, faux innocent "But-but-but aren't you saying all criticisms of Obamas are racist?"-- No, just the racist ones.
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:03:43pm |
1. Wasn't that interview with the Tea Party leader on CNN? The one where Carville and Gergen were laughing at what a nutjob he is?
2. I guess FoxNews just opened the door for the alphabets to run video after video of people and their unhinged and/or racist signs. That should help the cause, huh?
Sanchez's reaction is a wee bit over the top here. I don't watch his show, so is he always kinda like this? I thought somebody had insulted him or his wife personally or something.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:04:34pm |
re: #272 iceweasel
Yeah.
And how about assuming that if you have to ask whether a certain nasty name is racist, it probably is and you shouldn't use it?Really tired of the racist apologetics and the wide-eyed, faux innocent "But-but-but aren't you saying all criticisms of Obamas are racist?"-- No, just the racist ones.
These attacks from hot air on the First Lady are also misogynistic.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:04:59pm |
re: #273 funky chicken
Sanchez's reaction is a wee bit over the top here.
No, it isn't. He called lies lies, and Faux News liars for peddling lies.
That's not 'over the top'. That's accuracy.
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theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:00pm |
re: #260 Slumbering Behemoth
Curious: why are they bulldozing orchards for lack of water? What caused the lack of water - and is this something they hadn't experienced before?
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J.S. Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:03pm |
I watched Sanchez this afternoon, and I'm in agreement with his assessment. Glad I don't have Fox "news"cable ...have never watched it. (On a slightly different note -- about that business with Acorn and the people who went there under false pretences and got the video...Sanchez stated that that would never have been allowed at CNN -- I wondering, why, exactly? Is it because the filmmakers refused to release the entire video and just clipped/edited portions? If they had released the whole thing, would that have made it "ok"? I know that the CBC allows surreptitious video/filming on occasion (a Marketplace film crew does this all the time -- to expose people operating "puppy mills", etc.), it is tolerated under certain strict circumstances -- and there was a "sting" operation by French CBC, released today (about "immigration consultants/lawyers")...I'm wondering about the journalistic ethics of these sorts of things.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:20pm |
re: #260 Slumbering Behemoth
Maybe that's another thread, and I'm not really up for back and forth about it anyway. I mentioned it to point out that Fox often provides coverage of stories that are ignored on CNN and the broadcast networks.
Sanchez' statement that there is a difference between promotion and coverage is ironic, given the many CNN ' special reports' that flood that network, usually promoting one of the administration's pet projects in the form of an hour long informercial. Fox shouldn't have advertised that CNN didn't cover the march.
Instead, they should have emphasized or advertised that CNN barely gave a nod to the ACORN scandal, and then only when its hand was forced by Fox.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:24pm |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Pretty much everybody. I'm still on the fence about this one myself.
Let me help you out on this. You brought a serious problem to their attention in a way that was at best questionable, at worst foolish. Then you did a very stupid thing by coming back here and bragging about it on the overnight thread. Charles can burn his own bridges if and when he so desires, thank you very much.
Mandy should be breaking the whacking stick over you now.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:36pm |
re: #267 Greengolem64
So...in all seriousness, where do people go for their fully accurate and unfettered news?
I listen to several different news sources on TV and Radio. It IS interesting to note how many hotels do NOT have FNC but do have all the rest...
News print isn't much better. So where DO people go on the net or otherwise? From my own viewpoint there is NO completely trustworthy news source and its up to the viewer/listener/reader to do their own vetting.
GG
I get most of my news from NPR, LGF, BBC and Canadian papers.
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fizzlogic Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:36pm |
I've look for a thread at HA discussing LGF but can't find one. I found a green room though. Anyway, I quit reading HA a long while back. Cap'n Ed became insufferable. He's pretty much a spokesperson for the Fifth Column of Insanity Frank Schaeffer talked about on Rachel Maddow's show. And Allah eventually followed him down that rabbit hole.
It's fun to watch the scales fall from peoples eyes. This site and John Cole's place are my favorite blogs at this time.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:05:37pm |
I guess LGF really is becoming insignificant. So insignificant that there are a thousand comments bashing me over there, and they're copying and pasting every comment I post here.
Woe is me.
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Danny Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:06:21pm |
Can I have the site code after you shut down LGF?
/
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jantjepietje Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:07:13pm |
Are you calling out fox on being liars or are you getting behind CNN?
I'd support the first...
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:07:29pm |
re: #274 Sharmuta
These attacks from hot air on the First Lady are also misogynistic.
Also, what is up with Drudge's headline about Michelle Obama 'showing off a bondage belt'? The link just shows pictures of her wearing a large belt.
I'm beginning to wonder who Drudge is catering to.
...and of course he still links Pat Buchanan.
I may have to make another decision with that venue as well.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:07:40pm |
re: #281 trendsurfer
I've look for a thread at HA discussing LGF but can't find one. I found a green room though. Anyway, I quit reading HA a long while back. Cap'n Ed became insufferable. He's pretty much a spokesperson for the Fifth Column of Insanity Frank Schaeffer talked about on Rachel Maddow's show. And Allah eventually followed him down that rabbit hole.
It's fun to watch the scales fall from peoples eyes. This site and John Cole's place are my favorite blogs at this time.
Oh dude, I love John Cole too. Loved Schaffer's remarks on the Maddow show-- was it you who posted that link? Great stuff.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:08:08pm |
Just got home. Video was great and extremely direct. Not sure if it turned out to be true but if Fox really stole the picture for their ad from the CNN tower cam that would be the definition of "Cold Busted".
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:08:44pm |
re: #282 Charles
I guess LGF really is becoming insignificant. So insignificant that there are a thousand comments bashing me over there, and they're copying and pasting every comment I post here.
Woe is me.
On that topic Charles; have you noticed increased or decreased traffic to LGF? From your vantage point, does it appear that LGF is getting more popular or less popular? I'm not asking to get snarky, but I'd like to know in this present climate of unadulterated craziness, is a sane blog like LGF getting more traffic then before.
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hokiepride Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:08:57pm |
Hot Air still has RSM on their rightward blog links and LGF on the left one, They still do not get it
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:09:02pm |
re: #285 jantjepietje
Are you calling out fox on being liars or are you getting behind CNN?
I'd support the first...
FYI: It's possible to endorse X's criticism of Y, without endorsing everything X has ever done or said, or even X itself.
This is what is known as 'critical thinking'.
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J.S. Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:09:18pm |
re: #289 Locker
I think the Fox dudes would have had to "photoshop" out that Canadian flag, though...
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:09:39pm |
re: #290 Jetpilot1101
On that topic Charles; have you noticed increased or decreased traffic to LGF? From your vantage point, does it appear that LGF is getting more popular or less popular? I'm not asking to get snarky, but I'd like to know in this present climate of unadulterated craziness, is a sane blog like LGF getting more traffic then before.
LGF traffic is way up, actually. It's been rising steadily for the past month.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:09:44pm |
re: #282 Charles
I guess LGF really is becoming insignificant. So insignificant that there are a thousand comments bashing me over there, and they're copying and pasting every comment I post here.
Woe is me.
Contemplate this on the Blog of woe.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:10:28pm |
re: #291 hokiepride
Hot Air still has RSM on their rightward blog links and LGF on the left one, They still do not get it
That's right -- they're proudly linking to the blog of a white supremacist.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:10:32pm |
re: #290 Jetpilot1101
On that topic Charles; have you noticed increased or decreased traffic to LGF? From your vantage point, does it appear that LGF is getting more popular or less popular? I'm not asking to get snarky, but I'd like to know in this present climate of unadulterated craziness, is a sane blog like LGF getting more traffic then before.
On the left side bar is a flippy triangle for statistics. I like to keep up on them, and I know LGF's traffic is way up from a few months ago.
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fizzlogic Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:10:43pm |
re: #287 iceweasel
Yeah that was me who posted the link to the Schaeffer clip. :)
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:02pm |
re: #286 Dreader1962
He may link to Buchanan, but MSNBC (subsidiary of NBC) pay him as a host/panelist/commentator. Who's the racist outlet...
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:12pm |
re: #294 Charles
LGF traffic is way up, actually. It's been rising steadily for the past month.
Now that is good news! Nice to see that the sanity highway is getting crowded.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:27pm |
re: #40 Charles
Got a snarky email from Ed Morrissey just to put the icing on the cake.
Man you must have big tits and and ass that takes like French Vanilla ice cream with so many people have such a deep and passionate crush on you.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:28pm |
re: #270 Cato the Elder
Just to be clear, I meant "how many people on Hot Air" objected to what you said. Not here.
Ah, sorry missed that comment. I was being such an obvious troll that they got all riled up. They even continued the Woookie stuff the next morning.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:11:44pm |
re: #276 theheat
Curious: why are they bulldozing orchards for lack of water? What caused the lack of water - and is this something they hadn't experienced before?
Consistent drought conditions (for years), coupled with bone heads on capitol hill who refuse to allow water to flow into the valley because it might endanger a species of fish.
When people look at a few leftist freaks in SF or Berkeley, and wish that California would fall into the ocean, they don't realize just how much food they are wishing off of their plates. They may just get a taste of that if this situation isn't resolved.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:12:20pm |
re: #298 trendsurfer
Yeah that was me who posted the link to the Schaeffer clip. :)
I think I updinged you. Hope so. Excellent stuff! I'd seen a clip of Schaeffer on Maddow a month or so ago too. That "Fifth Column" remark was spot on!
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jantjepietje Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:12:45pm |
re: #292 iceweasel
That's why I'm asking what the thread's about silly.
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Neutral President Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:12:49pm |
re: #295 CyanSnowHawk
Contemplate this on the Blog of woe.
"Crom... grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you! ..."
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:13:09pm |
Remember, though, that Michelle Malkin is also listed as a contributor to VDARE, the hate site that boasts Robert Stacy McCain and many other racist writers. This isn't happening randomly. I called out a white supremacist star, and this is the result.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:13:36pm |
re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth
They'd better start with the wackos in SF and Berkeley who started the whole thing, and whose rear ends Pelosi kisses. She could stop that in a heartbeat, but nooo.
This could happen elsewhere in the country. People had better start protesting.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:13:42pm |
re: #301 Locker
Man you must have big tits and and ass that takes like French Vanilla ice cream with so many people have such a deep and passionate crush on you.
My feminist nature makes me want to downding you for that, or at least chastise you, but it was funny.
Is 'takes' a typo?
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fizzlogic Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:13:43pm |
re: #286 Dreader1962
All you need to know is Drudge left FNC because they wouldn't let him show pictures of torn up fetuses on his former show. Drudge too, is part of the Fifth Column of Insanity Frank Schaeffer was talking about.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:14:30pm |
re: #308 Charles
Charles, when they quit talking about you, then you need to worry.
///
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:14:47pm |
re: #306 jantjepietje
That's why I'm asking what the thread's about silly.
You could read it, silly.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:15:11pm |
re: #276 theheat
Curious: why are they bulldozing orchards for lack of water? What caused the lack of water - and is this something they hadn't experienced before?
I drive through there all the time. The environmentalists decided that a little fish (smelt) was being hurt by the irrigation, so they shut off the water to the farms. Thousands of acres have dried up their food production capabilities
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:15:21pm |
re: #299 tradewind
He may link to Buchanan, but MSNBC (subsidiary of NBC) pay him as a host/panelist/commentator. Who's the racist outlet...
I don't care who else hosts Buchanan; I don't watch MSNBC.
William F. Buckley held back for quite a few years, then did an in-depth analysis of Buchanan's printed and spoken words, concluding that he was anti-Semitic. I first read the National Review article, then the book - I was convinced of this conclusion as well.
I think Buchanan has a reputation for speaking, and MSNBC uses him as an exemplar of conservative opinion. That is not a good thing, and you should look into this for yourself to see if you are comfortable with Buchanan.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:15:33pm |
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:15:48pm |
re: #144 reddragon
Fox is the best news and opinion channel out there all the others are losers. Fair and balanced unlike the rest of the networks that pretend to be anything other than poor imitations of news.
It's fair and balanced if you subscribe to the "everything the right does is good and everything the left does is evil" mentality. Otherwise they are the propaganda wing of the right.
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fizzlogic Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:16:14pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
My favorite quote from that show was this:
[How do you move these people away from these beliefs?]
Frank Schaeffer: You don't work to move them off this position. You move past them. Look, a village cannot reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:16:44pm |
re: #314 kiwiviv
I drive through there all the time. The environmentalists decided that a little fish (smelt) was being hurt by the irrigation, so they shut off the water to the farms. Thousands of acres have dried up their food production capabilities
what have the voters done in response?...what have they demanded from their legislators?
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:17:10pm |
re: #315 Dreader1962
I'm not comfortable with Buchanan's views at all. Think he's a bigot.
My point was that Drudge's linking to him is hardly the equivalent of a major network's (by proxy) hiring and paying him for his views every week.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:17:57pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:18:16pm |
re: #309 tradewind
People have been protesting. On several occasions. Celebrities like Gary Sinise (I wish he would run for office) and Paul Rodriguez have joined them.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:18:38pm |
re: #319 albusteve
what have the voters done in response?...what have they demanded from their legislators?
I think there have been 4 bills blocked by Pelosi and gang that would turn the water back on. Right now, a farmer is suing on behalf of them all. He seems optimistic
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:19:01pm |
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:19:36pm |
re: #317 Locker
And yet they have more left-leaning commentary on their programming than CNN has conservative ones to balance theirs. Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, just to name two... there are more regular contributors.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:20:06pm |
re: #318 trendsurfer
My favorite quote from that show was this:
I liked the bit about the fundies rotting the brain of America:
The mainstream not just media but culture doesn’t sufficiently take stock of the fact that within our culture we have a sub-culture, which is literally a fifth column of insanity, that is bred from birth through home-school, Christian school, evangelical college, whatever, to reject facts as a matter of faith.
And so this substitute for authentic historic Christianity, and I may add as a little caveat here, I’m a church-going Christian, really brings up the question:
Can Christianity be rescued from Christians?
And that’s an open question and when you see a bunch of people going around thinking that our president is the anti-Christ, you have to draw one of two conclusions: either these are racists looking for any excuse to level the next accusation, or they’re beyond crazy, and I think beyond crazy is a better explanation.
And that evangelical subculture has rotted the brain of the United States of America.
We have a big slice of our population waiting for Jesus to come back, they look forward to Armageddon, good news is bad news to them.
When we talk about the Left Behind series of books that I talk about in my book Crazy for God, what we’re really talking about is a group of people who are resentful because they know they’ve been left behind by modernity, by science, by education, by art, by literature.
The rest of us our getting on with our lives; these people are standing on a hilltop waiting for the end. And this is a dangerous group of people to have as neighbors and they’re our national neighbors and this is the source of all these insanities that we see leveled at the president.
One way or another they go back to this little evangelical subculture… it’s a disaster.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:20:06pm |
re: #310 iceweasel
My feminist nature makes me want to downding you for that, or at least chastise you, but it was funny.
Is 'takes' a typo?
Oh yea should be tastes and it's a quote from a movie . True Romance... Christian Slater...
Clarence Worley: Eliot, do I look like a beautiful blonde with big tits and an ass that tastes like French vanilla ice cream?
Elliot: What?
Clarence Worley: I said do I look like a beautiful blonde with big big tits and an ass that tastes like French vanilla ice cream?
Elliot: No.
Clarence Worley: No. Okay, then why are you telling me all this bullshit, huh? You wanna fuck me?
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:20:27pm |
re: #320 tradewind
I'm not comfortable with Buchanan's views at all. Think he's a bigot.
My point was that Drudge's linking to him is hardly the equivalent of a major network's (by proxy) hiring and paying him for his views every week.
It depends how strongly you feel about Buchanan.
I turn CNN off every time Christiana Amanpour's face appears on the channel. For her, it is a specific event that caused great pain and suffering of my fellow soldiers that she was involved in. I can't go into detail.
With Buchanan, he is constantly maneuvering to establish his version of America - which I vehemently oppose.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:20:37pm |
re: #326 ted
He may be a moonbat but in this case he called out a lie when he saw one an I applaud him for that. Just because FNC is more right then CNN doesn't make them right all the time.
If your last part of your comment was gay bashing, can it.
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theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:20:46pm |
re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth
I take it you're talking about a dam where the fish are concerned? So, at first they let water in, and now they don't? The whole thing sounds preposterous.
I know where I live we have a little bit different scenario going on. Farmers have simply sold their land to scummy developers for huge, huge, huge bucks. Had nothing to do with environmentalists. It had everything to do with money. Developers can cram homes for "working families" together, little pretend low-budget McMansions about 6 feet apart, and maximize return per square foot. So, where we used to have farms in between neighbors out here, now we have farms and suckass housing developments.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:21:21pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
I know. But only because I've seen it on Fox. They devoted an hour special to the plight of the valley a day or so ago.
I don't know how Nancy Pelosi can sleep at night.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:21:34pm |
re: #264 kiwiviv
Army - 1st Cav. Division. He was a Cav Scout. He is home now, but was in the front lines of Sadr City - hit by IED's 20 times in the year he was there. No one soldier under his command was hurt.
Correction has been made
Very nice...I know what you have gone through as a parent of a child serving in Iraq...Those 3am Sat phone calls from a rooftop in Iraq are stressful..It's not playschool when you know your marine is killing terrorists every night..
I've had the privilege of meeting a lot of Marine Parents over the last 4 years..Those Parents are the reason we have the greatest Military in the World..We raise our children to be strong and to be Moral and kind...
America has some great kids..God Bless our Military..
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:21:55pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:11pm |
re: #333 ted
Is it possible for you to offer a valid criticism of Sanchez without resorting to homophobia?
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:16pm |
re: #263 redshirt
I'm just having fun with Star Wars names. I agree that wookie is horrible. Is any name calling towards MO considered racist, though?
You know, I have an idea, why don't you refer to the First Lady as "The First Lady" and the president as the President? Respect the office, even if you don't agree with the policies.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:22pm |
albusteve - Here are some articles on the subject:
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
[Link: www.npr.org...]
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:22pm |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:26pm |
re: #329 Locker
Upding for the True Romance reference.
/Where is Christian Slater these days, anyway?
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rwmofo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:37pm |
re: #308 Charles
Remember, though, that Michelle Malkin is also listed as a contributor to VDARE, the hate site that boasts Robert Stacy McCain and many other racist writers. This isn't happening randomly. I called out a white supremacist star, and this is the result.
I just clicked on RSM's site (had never heard of him before reading about him here). Judging by the numerous posts he has about you, he's about as obsessed with you as Michael Moore is with pizza.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:22:48pm |
re: #331 Jetpilot1101
He may be a moonbat but in this case he called out a lie when he saw one an I applaud him for that. Just because FNC is more right then CNN doesn't make them right all the time.
If your last part of your comment was gay bashing, can it.
Sanchez has a warehouse filled with lies...Pot meet kettle.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:23:21pm |
re: #331 Jetpilot1101
He may be a moonbat but in this case he called out a lie when he saw one an I applaud him for that. Just because FNC is more right then CNN doesn't make them right all the time.
If your last part of your comment was gay bashing, can it.
Looking at his next comment, I'd say gay bashing is confirmed.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:23:38pm |
re: #338 iceweasel
Is it possible for you to offer a valid criticism of Sanchez without resorting to homophobia?
What homophobia...?
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:23:45pm |
re: #345 ted
Sanchez has a warehouse filled with lies...Pot meet kettle.
Do share because baseless accusations without facts don't go over well here.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:24:01pm |
re: #332 theheat
We've had a bit of that kind of housing development here, but not on such a scale to have too much of an impact. Yet.
Here is an article on the water situation here, from earlier this year.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:24:24pm |
re: #308 Charles
Remember, though, that Michelle Malkin is also listed as a contributor to VDARE, the hate site that boasts Robert Stacy McCain and many other racist writers. This isn't happening randomly. I called out a white supremacist star, and this is the result.
I ran into VDARE a few months ago after reading an editorial that was citing articles from there to argue about problems on the right. It didn't take long at all looking at that disgusting site to figure out what it was all about. The editorial was using it as an example of how the entire Republican party was racist, I thought at the time it wasn't a fair editorial. I still don't think it was fair, but the extent of the problem is much greater than I thought it was at the time.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:24:24pm |
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:24:41pm |
re: #347 ted
What homophobia...?
Now you're just playing dumb. Quit the gay slurs and your opinion may be more well received.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:24:59pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:25:10pm |
re: #334 tradewind
Well, kudos to FNC then, for bringing it to your attention. What part of the country do you live in? Generally speaking, don't be specific.
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rwmofo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:25:19pm |
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:25:32pm |
re: #353 Jetpilot1101
Now you're just playing dumb. Quit the gay slurs and your opinion may be more well received.
What slurs?
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:25:39pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
You want I should draw you a map?
A map to the door, I would hope. He's doing the 'innocent victim dance' now.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:04pm |
re: #343 Fenway_Nation
Upding for the True Romance reference.
/Where is Christian Slater these days, anyway?
[Link:wikipedia.org... ]
Christian Slater has signed on to join The Forgotten, ABC's new crime drama from producer Jerry Bruckheimer. Premiering Tuesday, Sept. 22 (leading out of the Dancing with the Stars results show), The Forgotten revolves around the Identity Network, a team of amateur sleuths who work on cases involving unidentified victims. [5]
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:07pm |
If you want some background information on VDARE, this is a good start: Keeping America White.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:17pm |
re: #347 ted
What homophobia...?
The words you're using to smear Sanchez are gay slurs. That's homophobic. Both that you would employ them, and that you imagine that calling a man rude words for gay is something that he should be embarrassed by or shamed by.
And you damn well know this.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:33pm |
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:44pm |
re: #341 kiwiviv
albusteve - Here are some articles on the subject:
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
[Link: www.npr.org...]
thanks...I'll look them over...there should be a thousand lawsuits piled up, enviro weenies and judges exposed on local news and billboards...demonstrations in Sac...demands on the governor to weigh in...all that and more
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:26:56pm |
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:27:03pm |
re: #326 ted
His own...what a flame...
You'd best not be taking that where I think you're taking that.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:27:22pm |
re: #336 HoosierHoops
Amen! I couldn't agree more. Our young people who serve in the military are THE BEST! I was recently at a Scottish Festival where the Marine Band played with the Royal Scots Guards and 600 pipers. This little Kiwi couldn't stop the tears as I was so proud of our men and women to serve with such honor and nobility.
God bless your son.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:28:05pm |
re: #361 Charles
First person mentioned in that article...Trifkovic.
Now where have we seen that before?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:28:17pm |
re: #366 ~Fianna
You'd best not be taking that where I think you're taking that.
His comment after that proves where it was going...
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:28:33pm |
re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth
Generally speaking, the Southeast.
But I have friends and family in CA... just not that part of the state. We hadn't heard a thing about it down here until the special report.
We've had almost the same thing, although without the damage, due to a neighboring state's being nearly shut down when someone thought they saw an extinct woodpecker. Major construction, in the millions... hundreds of jobs for people who can ill afford to lose them... ground to a halt, by order of the EPA... all on a rumor. Still hasn't recovered.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:28:46pm |
re: #310 iceweasel
My feminist nature makes me want to downding you for that, or at least chastise you, but it was funny.
Is 'takes' a typo?
Additionally no one can ever accuse me of paying too much attention... I thought you were a guy. I'm going to have to abandon my photoshop project of putting Sean Hannity's head into this weasel picture from ice age. Damn it.
(P.S. No I don't really think iceweasel is Sean Hannity's liberal alter ego... but quantum physics says IT COULD HAPPEN!!!)
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:28:52pm |
re: #368 erraticsphinx
First person mentioned in that article...Trifkovic.
Now where have we seen that before?
Why- he's good friends with Robert Spencer, that's where.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:29:07pm |
re: #269 kiwiviv
Oh yeah! "Hoosier!" Sorry - I'm not so quick on names like that. I LOVE Napa Valley - we take every visitor over there. UCD!! We go to the rugby games over there. UCD has a great team.
I'm a Napa Valley Boy..I know every back road..Most of the kids were born at the Queen of the Valley..Nikki was born at Merritt in Oakland in an emergency thing..( She is our Homey girl...Born in Downtown Oakland.. She is damn proud of it). I'll be out your way in a couple months.
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Nemesis6 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:29:16pm |
I think Fox News is really just trolling at this point.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:29:37pm |
re: #347 ted
What homophobia...?
I'm sorry, you must be in the wrong place. That other blog is two doors down to the right.
And if you're going to do it, why not just come out and do it... or perhaps it's someone else who should be searching for some balls.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:29:38pm |
re: #369 Cato the Elder
His comment after that proves where it was going...
My guess is he'll be a proud member of "Le Deux" very shortly.
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theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:30:26pm |
re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth
Thanks for the linky. That fills in some of the holes.
I follow this kind of thing locally because it's an interesting little hobby of mine (finite resources meets infinite population). Always good to hear what's going on elsewhere.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:31:04pm |
re: #373 HoosierHoops
I'm a Napa Valley Boy..I know every back road..Most of the kids were born at the Queen of the Valley..Nikki was born at Merritt in Oakland in an emergency thing..( She is our Homey girl...Born in Downtown Oakland.. She is damn proud of it). I'll be out your way in a couple months.
My wife grew up in Fairfield. Is it an imposition to ask your high school grad year?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:31:31pm |
re: #373 HoosierHoops
I'm a Napa Valley Boy..I know every back road..Most of the kids were born at the Queen of the Valley..Nikki was born at Merritt in Oakland in an emergency thing..( She is our Homey girl...Born in Downtown Oakland.. She is damn proud of it). I'll be out your way in a couple months.
Well - if you ever need a place to stay - you would be welcome.
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:31:38pm |
re: #369 Cato the Elder
His comment after that proves where it was going...
Yeah, I saw that.
I don't generally do isms, but I'm really getting tired of the teh gay iz baaaddd nonsense.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:32:10pm |
re: #370 tradewind
That's why you're not seeing much news of this. As you said earlier, it will be big news when the produce section in grocery stores shrinks by 50%, and prices rise by who knows how much.
On FNC, I think the reason they covered it is because here, most of the FNC radio stations rolled in the water protests with the tea party protests.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:32:41pm |
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:32:52pm |
re: #380 rwmofo
...about 30-35 years maybe?
That's about the right timeframe. Stonewall started making garbage like that be seen for exactly what it is.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:32:53pm |
I think Ted is about to be shown the door and rightfully so.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:28pm |
re: #391 Jetpilot1101
I think Ted is about to be shown the door and rightfully so.
Yep, I had a comment deleted most likely because I quoted him.
Buh-Byeee!!!
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:34pm |
re: #277 J.S.
I watched Sanchez this afternoon, and I'm in agreement with his assessment. Glad I don't have Fox "news"cable ...have never watched it. (On a slightly different note -- about that business with Acorn and the people who went there under false pretences and got the video...Sanchez stated that that would never have been allowed at CNN -- I wondering, why, exactly? Is it because the filmmakers refused to release the entire video and just clipped/edited portions? If they had released the whole thing, would that have made it "ok"? I know that the CBC allows surreptitious video/filming on occasion (a Marketplace film crew does this all the time -- to expose people operating "puppy mills", etc.), it is tolerated under certain strict circumstances -- and there was a "sting" operation by French CBC, released today (about "immigration consultants/lawyers")...I'm wondering about the journalistic ethics of these sorts of things.
I've seen clips of (I believe) NBC news doing sting operations on internet pedophiles, which I totally support, BTW. So the ACORN thing doesn't seem all that outrageous, IMHO.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:34pm |
re: #391 Jetpilot1101
I think Ted is about to be shown the door and rightfully so.
Maybe Ted has compassion for farmers, though...
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Neutral President Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:38pm |
re: #378 Sharmuta
I guess he hung a vacancy sign on his ass and Stinky's foot was looking for a room.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:39pm |
re: #381 Cato the Elder
And a user of grocer's apostrophes. And very likely a bigot. And plainly a homophobe.
Creep.
grocer's apostrophes. LOL
There goes your punctuation OCD again.
LOL
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:56pm |
re: #371 Locker
Additionally no one can ever accuse me of paying too much attention... I thought you were a guy. I'm going to have to abandon my photoshop project of putting Sean Hannity's head into this weasel picture from ice age. Damn it.
(P.S. No I don't really think iceweasel is Sean Hannity's liberal alter ego... but quantum physics says IT COULD HAPPEN!!!)
heh. I am a chick, but feminists can be men too, btw. :)
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:58pm |
Whoops. Quoted a troll.
ted
A hardcore Republican Conservative. God Bless America, our Military and Israel. No mercy for Dhimmi's, Dem's, Libtards and the MSM.
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 17, 2004 at 10:27 am
No. of comments posted: 7,650
No. of links posted: 348
And a user of grocer's apostrophes. And very likely a bigot. And plainly a homophobe.
Creep.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:33:58pm |
re: #379 theheat
Kiwiviv had some other good links on the subject up thread, about three links.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:34:17pm |
re: #389 ted
Hey bro, I may have been born in the dark but it wasn't last night. Your stupidity routine won't play here. Why don't you just grow a pair and admit you are a bigot.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:34:35pm |
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:34:47pm |
re: #393 Dreader1962
Yep, I had a comment deleted most likely because I quoted him.
Buh-Byeee!!!
Me too. Was too irritated to remember to hit reply and not quote. Sorry Charles, completely my bad.
And thanks. Just to make the record perfectly clear, not straight, not ashamed about that, tired of people trying to make me think I should be.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:34:52pm |
re: #397 unrealizedviewpoint
grocer's apostrophes. LOL
There goes your punctuation OCD again.
LOL
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell are grocer's apostrophes?
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:34:56pm |
re: #398 iceweasel
heh. I am a chick, but feminists can be men too, btw. :)
I was just telling a male feminist that chicks dig that sort of thing in a guy.
It's true, too.
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rwmofo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:17pm |
re: #389 ted
Sorry...never knew they were slurs...Touchy, heh?
No. I'm not touchy. You asked a question and I answered it. Apparently most other people here immediately recognized those words for what they imply without me holding up a cue card.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:25pm |
re: #402 Jetpilot1101
Hey bro, I may have been born in the dark but it wasn't last night. Your stupidity routine won't play here. Why don't you just grow a pair and admit you are a bigot.
Chill out JP...Relax...
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:27pm |
re: #398 iceweasel
heh. I am a chick, but feminists can be men too, btw. :)
If you were a man invoking your feminists nature like that I'd try to set you up with my best friend Pete.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:35pm |
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:38pm |
re: #383 Dreader1962
Hey - don't lump "good Christians" in with someone - just because they might be homophobic. Some "good Christians" might be homophobic, but not all.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:47pm |
re: #384 kiwiviv
Well - if you ever need a place to stay - you would be welcome.
My Family still lives outside Yountville...
Nice meeting you
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:35:54pm |
It's on a mission. Discredit LGF. Keep an eye on it.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:36:00pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:36:08pm |
re: #405 CyanSnowHawk
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell are grocer's apostrophes?
grocers can't spell nor utilize punctuation. Quite a funny line. Upding for Cato.
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:36:10pm |
Good grief. You'd think no one around here trusted Stinky to do his own job.
Why not move on?
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:36:39pm |
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:36:47pm |
re: #411 kiwiviv
Hey - don't lump "good Christians" in with someone - just because they might be homophobic. Some "good Christians" might be homophobic, but not all.
Not lumping them in, just stating that a good Christian would not be insulting in the way that Ted was. I was trying to point it out to him.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:37:21pm |
re: #405 CyanSnowHawk
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell are grocer's apostrophes?
I just learned the term a few days ago, myself. It's when you put in unnecessary apostrophe's when you're referring to thing's in their plural form's.
You see them a lot on sign's in grocery store's, as in "Apple's, 99/lb.", hence the name.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:37:28pm |
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erraticsphinx Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:37:32pm |
re: #417 ted
Don't call yourself a Republican Conservative, because you're not.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:38:12pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I just learned the term a few days ago, myself. It's when you put in unnecessary apostrophe's when you're referring to thing's in their plural form's.
You see them a lot on sign's in grocery store's, as in "Apple's, 99/lb.", hence the name.
I thought it was an original thought. I take back my upding.
/
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theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:38:17pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
Photo's and video's probably take the lion's share.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:38:40pm |
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:38:53pm |
Lizards, I think you're being played...
Whatever floats your boat.
Will check back after Slapfight.
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:38:57pm |
re: #417 ted
Sounds like you find bigotry funny; F you!
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:39:52pm |
re: #418 Dreader1962
Not lumping them in, just stating that a good Christian would not be insulting in the way that Ted was. I was trying to point it out to him.
Ok - Just checking. Thank you.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:03pm |
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:05pm |
re: #417 ted
LOL...
This is obviously someone who does not treat this board as a group of people discussing topics in a civilized manner. Would he behave so crassly if he was physically present in a room and everyone made it obvious that he was insulting and should apologize?
Also, he's assuming he's the most 'hardcore' conservative on this board and we're all lily-livered cowards. He should look at the profiles of some of us. There are a lot of military here. I'm a retired Army NCO, and I've recognized this garbage in young privates for quite a few years.
Grow up, Ted. Render an apology or look like the ass you have made yourself out to be.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:33pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I just learned the term a few days ago, myself. It's when you put in unnecessary apostrophe's when you're referring to thing's in their plural form's.
You see them a lot on sign's in grocery store's, as in "Apple's, 99/lb.", hence the name.
I think it might be a Brit-ism. That's where I first heard it.
Here's a lovely little song about punctuation for you, Cato. :)
Vampire Weekend - Oxford Comma
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~Fianna Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:42pm |
re: #426 tradewind
Lizards, I think you're being played...
Whatever floats your boat.
Will check back after Slapfight.
I think it's the difference between here and lots of other places - we're all cool with raucous and often impolite debate, but there are things that LGFers won't tolerate that some other places seem to welcome.
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:48pm |
OT
Ahhh, it's Hockey season again! Rangers and Flyers on MSG!
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:40:57pm |
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:41:01pm |
re: #281 trendsurfer
I've look for a thread at HA discussing LGF but can't find one. I found a green room though. Anyway, I quit reading HA a long while back. Cap'n Ed became insufferable. He's pretty much a spokesperson for the Fifth Column of Insanity Frank Schaeffer talked about on Rachel Maddow's show. And Allah eventually followed him down that rabbit hole.
It's fun to watch the scales fall from peoples eyes. This site and John Cole's place are my favorite blogs at this time.
Ed Morrissey, the fifth column of insanity? LOL
Er, not so much.
Should they have put the kibosh on offensive comments long ago? Oh yeah. Spring 2008 they had a few commenters who would show up and spread the "John McCain spent his POW time in a Peking hotel with hookers" line of crap, and not once did Allah, Ed, or Malkin ever come down to reply. They do have a stable that is half full of the unhinged, sadly.
But I don't think you could really call Ed a counterpart to Medea Benjamin or anything. LOL
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:41:18pm |
re: #416 tradewind
Good grief. You'd think no one around here trusted Stinky to do his own job.
Why not move on?
That's not it at all. Charles has asked all of us to use the report icon. Additionally, it reflects well on the community when we step up and say these sorts of comments don't reflect LGF. Otherwise, if we're silent, we look like hot air.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:41:29pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I just learned the term a few days ago, myself. It's when you put in unnecessary apostrophe's when you're referring to thing's in their plural form's.
You see them a lot on sign's in grocery store's, as in "Apple's, 99/lb.", hence the name.
Ah, I s'ee.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:41:58pm |
re: #434 sngnsgt
No way! It's September, it's Texas and it's football season!
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:42:32pm |
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:42:34pm |
re: #426 tradewind
Lizards, I think you're being played...
Whatever floats your boat.
Will check back after Slapfight.
I don't worry about being 'played' because I never post anything I would be ashamed of. If this goes to other boards, who cares?
Ted is not posting anything of substance anymore, so I guess he didn't have much to say here.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:42:35pm |
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J.S. Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:42:55pm |
re: #394 funky chicken
yeah, I think it gets into certain gray areas...under certain circumstances it could be really abused...like "entrapment", or then there's that other "gray" area of journalism -- using anonymous sources...(i recall -- there was a Russian spy (?) who "turned" and spoke to the Canadian media, but he only spoke to the media when allowed to wear a brown paper bag over his head...remember that one? gets into all these "ify" questions of "Should this be done?" "Is this ethical?" etc.)
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:02pm |
re: #434 sngnsgt
OT
Ahhh, it's Hockey season again! Rangers and Flyers on MSG!
Wake me when the Bruins have a Stanley Cup Parade through downtown Boston games count.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:16pm |
re: #434 sngnsgt
OT
Ahhh, it's Hockey season again! Rangers and Flyers on MSG!
That is completely unfair that you get MSG and I don't. True I am in California and not North Jersey but I wanna watch the Rangers too! I'm guessing Sam and JD don't call the Ranger games any more on MSG, I would sure miss them.
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doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:31pm |
re: #52 Sharmuta
Are you sure they told you the truth?
Exactly.
My parents lived up there for a while and besides, the whole California water history is really convoluted and messy.
To say that it's over the a fish is disingenuous to the point of meaninglessness.
This really in not a case that be be simple-mindedly attributed to Tree huggers or whatnot, it's about where the water goes, south to LA or to the farmers.
It's a big story, but not an easy one.
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rwmofo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:32pm |
re: #439 Cathypop
No way! It's September, it's Texas and it's football season!
In what year was your avatar picture taken?
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:45pm |
re: #382 Locker
My wife grew up in Fairfield. Is it an imposition to ask your high school grad year?
Fairfield! I'm sticking my nose up...Driving over highway 12 just to find an Interstate (80)
*wink*
Listen friend there are folks that just hate me on the Internet.. My name has been posted..My home phone number is called all the time..My web site is closed down and you want to know what year I graduated?
hey what ever..Not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling...
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soxfan4life Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:43:47pm |
re: #444 Fenway_Nation
What's up with young Mr. Kessel?
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:45:10pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:45:12pm |
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tradewind Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:45:31pm |
re: #437 Sharmuta
Said with a lovely flounce. ( Not all of them are leaving flounces... some of them are just huffy ' so there' spins on the heel). Well done!
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:45:31pm |
re: #370 tradewind
Generally speaking, the Southeast.
But I have friends and family in CA... just not that part of the state. We hadn't heard a thing about it down here until the special report.
We've had almost the same thing, although without the damage, due to a neighboring state's being nearly shut down when someone thought they saw an extinct woodpecker. Major construction, in the millions... hundreds of jobs for people who can ill afford to lose them... ground to a halt, by order of the EPA... all on a rumor. Still hasn't recovered.
It turns out it was just a rumor, right? I read about the bird hunters who were trying to verify/find the thing a couple of years ago. It's been extinct (or so it's believed) since the 1920s or so? But i has a cousin that's almost identical that is still around in large numbers?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:46:02pm |
re: #449 soxfan4life
I'm not sure how long he is for the club if all these clubs are making offers for him.
/also waiting for the Tuuka Rask era to begin.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:46:32pm |
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researchok Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:46:55pm |
re: #361 Charles
If you want some background information on VDARE, this is a good start: Keeping America White.
VDare and other sites of similar (both left and right) have accepted the idea of 'co-mingling' with those with with lesser values (and ethics and morals) under the guise of 'the free exchange ideas'.
That's why LGF has pissed off so many people lately.
Abiding by and demanding moral and ethical standards from everyone is taxing. After all, it is so much easier to be a mindless follower.
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Cathypop Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:46:59pm |
re: #450 sngnsgt
Pre-season... ;-)
High School football in Texas is taken way too serious but I love it because my grandson is playing now
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beholden Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:47:16pm |
Things are moving too fast now. I'm afraid we are sitting on a tinder box. :(
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:47:27pm |
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:47:50pm |
re: #446 doubter4444
Exactly.
My parents lived up there for a while and besides, the whole California water history is really convoluted and messy.
To say that it's over the a fish is disingenuous to the point of meaninglessness.
This really in not a case that be be simple-mindedly attributed to Tree huggers or whatnot, it's about where the water goes, south to LA or to the farmers.
It's a big story, but not an easy one.
Things like this are usually complicated. The fish DOES have a LOT to do with it, however.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:48:20pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:48:45pm |
re: #464 Dreader1962
Thank you for apologizing for your offensive comments.
Are you sure that's what he was doing?
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Hawaii69 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:49:19pm |
re: #49 tradewind
You don't hear much about the way that the San Joaquin valley farm industry is literally dying because of the EPA protection of the freaking delta smelt... a two inch fish... that denies water to the farmers... at least Fox has covered that.
FOX "covered" it by ranting that "the government cares more about fish than farmers". Another simplistic take on reality, on their part.
The San Joaquin was never an ideal place for agriculture. The farming there was started up purely by the use of artificial irrigation, and on a speculative bet that they would always be able to divert enough water to continue farming.
They try to put the face of small time farmers on this story, but what you have in the San Joaquin Valley corporate agriculture interests who made huge profits from unsound water speculation and irrigation practices.
Now that someone is pointing out that it is unsound and unsustainable, they are wailing about "fish over people!"
It's a load of crap.
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soxfan4life Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:49:28pm |
re: #458 Fenway_Nation
I have been waiting for Tuuka Rask for a couple of years. Seems like the kid is the real deal, a steal for Andrew Raycroft.
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:49:34pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:51:24pm |
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ted Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:52:05pm |
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:52:25pm |
re: #470 Fenway_Nation
I'm a fan of neither, I'm from NW PA living out in the sunshine of Vegas, I'm a Pens fan at heart. ;-)
Pens 1-0 over Leafs btw
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:53:36pm |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:53:53pm |
September 18, 2009
The President
The White House
Washington, D.C.
/when seven former CIA directors tell you you're drunk (and the current CIA director agrees), you'd better lie down
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:53:56pm |
Some stuff on California Water Resources. For those interested:
[Link:waterencyclopedia.com... ]
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:53:57pm |
re: #448 HoosierHoops
Fairfield! I'm sticking my nose up...Driving over highway 12 just to find an Interstate (80)
*wink*
Listen friend there are folks that just hate me on the Internet.. My name has been posted..My home phone number is called all the time..My web site is closed down and you want to know what year I graduated?
hey what ever..Not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling...
Could you send me your bank account number and SSN? Mrs. Saddam Hussein has a million dollars for you.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:55:19pm |
Whatever, Ted.
Moving right along, here...
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:55:32pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:55:37pm |
Most of the lefty attempts at the race card have been pretty lame but this one is pretty good...
Drudge, Limbaugh, and the Sad Return of "Racial America"
They do have a point. There is a real surge in racist sentiment but they usually fail to offer evidence.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:55:55pm |
re: #448 HoosierHoops
Fairfield! I'm sticking my nose up...Driving over highway 12 just to find an Interstate (80)
*wink*
Listen friend there are folks that just hate me on the Internet.. My name has been posted..My home phone number is called all the time..My web site is closed down and you want to know what year I graduated?
hey what ever..Not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling...
Ok well she's 1978. Not that I need any more Nut Tree stories...
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:56:32pm |
re: #479 Fenway_Nation
Ah...sunshine and double-digit unemployment.
Kinda like the next state over.
Shoot, I just wish I could work, I have Epilepsy and am on disability. The way things are going right now, I'm better off being disabled as far as income goes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:57:16pm |
re: #471 Hawaii69
The soil is ideal for agriculture. The location/weather, not so much.
Do you have a link, or can you direct me to a site with more info beyond the fish thing? It would be appreciated, because I do want to be informed about this.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:57:18pm |
re: #481 Killian Bundy
September 18, 2009
The President
The White House
Washington, D.C./when seven former CIA directors tell you you're drunk (and the current CIA director agrees), you'd better lie down
Upding!
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:58:25pm |
re: #477 sngnsgt
I'm a fan of neither, I'm from NW PA living out in the sunshine of Vegas, I'm a Pens fan at heart. ;-)
Pens 1-0 over Leafs btw
Grew up early years in Bradford... still a Ranger fan but you couldn't pry the terrible towel out of my hands with a crowbar during football season.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:58:26pm |
Wow. Jamie Wearing Fool is bashing lgf over at hot air. That's always a bummer to see.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:59:06pm |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
Wow. Jamie Wearing Fool is bashing lgf over at hot air. That's always a bummer to see.
He came in here yesterday with a sock puppet account, spewing insults.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:59:07pm |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
Wow. Jamie Wearing Fool is bashing lgf over at hot air. That's always a bummer to see.
Classy, huh?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:59:43pm |
re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth
The soil is ideal for agriculture. The location/weather, not so much.
Do you have a link, or can you direct me to a site with more info beyond the fish thing? It would be appreciated, because I do want to be informed about this.
This is a pretty good article:
[Link: www.waterencyclopedia.com...]
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:59:56pm |
re: #491 Locker
Grew up early years in Bradford... still a Ranger fan but you couldn't pry the terrible towel out of my hands with a crowbar during football season.
I'm with you, but I can't stand the s**w.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 4:59:57pm |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
Wow. Jamie Wearing Fool is bashing lgf over at hot air. That's always a bummer to see.
Kind of makes him seem ungrateful for all of the free publicity he leeched by spamming the links to his blog on every single front page post at LGF.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:00:45pm |
re: #497 sngnsgt
I'm with you, but I can't stand the s**w.
I didn't hate it but I'm in California now so it's all good.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:01:48pm |
I'm disappointed in everybody, everywhere.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:02:28pm |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
Wow. Jamie Wearing Fool is bashing lgf over at hot air. That's always a bummer to see.
This was a person who I trusted with monitor privileges too. And let him relentlessly pimp his blog, using the Linkviewer tool.
Just another asshole.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:02:33pm |
re: #40 Charles
Got a snarky email from Ed Morrissey just to put the icing on the cake.
How depressing. What the hell happened to Ed? He used to be so rational. And normal.
I noticed, in his acknowledgment of all that nasty comments at Hot Air, that he tried to deflect it partially by claiming imposters were posting things just to make Hot Air look bad - which dodges the whole issue of who's moderating the joint. I was dismayed to see that from Ed - at CQ he was always a stand-up guy, and was always quick to acknowledge his own shortcomings and publish retractions and apologies when appropriate. You know - like a professional would.
Damn.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:03:09pm |
Actually, Bill O'Reilly is telling his viewers right now that they should be open to hear good things about Obama. He is asking for the folks to be open.
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doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:03:45pm |
re: #216 ~Fianna
I wonder exactly how many Charles Johnsons there are in the state of California, never mind the entire US.
An unusual name as Charles Johnson!
I mean, are you such a part of the cult to not see that it's him?
/// (if necessary)
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:03:50pm |
re: #487 Locker
Ok well she's 1978. Not that I need any more Nut Tree stories...
The old Nut Tree on 80..What a tourist scam!
Hope today finds you well
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:04:00pm |
re: #503 kiwiviv
Actually, Bill O'Reilly is telling his viewers right now that they should be open to hear good things about Obama. He is asking for the folks to be open.
Respect.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:04:04pm |
re: #502 SixDegrees
How depressing. What the hell happened to Ed? He used to be so rational. And normal.
I noticed, in his acknowledgment of all that nasty comments at Hot Air, that he tried to deflect it partially by claiming imposters were posting things just to make Hot Air look bad - which dodges the whole issue of who's moderating the joint. I was dismayed to see that from Ed - at CQ he was always a stand-up guy, and was always quick to acknowledge his own shortcomings and publish retractions and apologies when appropriate. You know - like a professional would.
Damn.
And look what's going on in that thread now. It's an absolute hatefest.
Morrissey knows that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt. But he's doing nothing to put a stop to the hundreds of comments that claim I orchestrated the whole thing. And neither is Allahpundit.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:04:58pm |
re: #503 kiwiviv
Actually, Bill O'Reilly is telling his viewers right now that they should be open to hear good things about Obama. He is asking for the folks to be open.
If one's mind is absolutely closed to conservative ideals one sees nothing of O'Reilly's inclusiveness. Scorn is all they find.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:05:36pm |
CA is doomed without extensive desalination...but that would require massive amounts of electricity and they seem to despise nuclear power...oh well, c'ya
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debutaunt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:05:37pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I just learned the term a few days ago, myself. It's when you put in unnecessary apostrophe's when you're referring to thing's in their plural form's.
You see them a lot on sign's in grocery store's, as in "Apple's, 99/lb.", hence the name.
Eats, Shoots and Leaves has a fun chapter on them.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:05:51pm |
re: #507 Charles
And look what's going on in that thread now. It's an absolute hatefest.
Morrissey knows that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt. But he's doing nothing to put a stop to the hundreds of comments that claim I orchestrated the whole thing. And neither is Allahpundit.
Well that's one difference between here and there... when the animals run the zoo you can't really control things, you risk being eaten yourself.
| 513 |
funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:06:11pm |
re: #507 Charles
And look what's going on in that thread now. It's an absolute hatefest.
Morrissey knows that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt. But he's doing nothing to put a stop to the hundreds of comments that claim I orchestrated the whole thing. And neither is Allahpundit.
Hey, they're treating you as well as they treat John McCain. I guess you're seen as a traitor to the cause because you believe in policing your own.
| 514 |
Cathypop Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:06:17pm |
re: #503 kiwiviv
Actually, Bill O'Reilly is telling his viewers right now that they should be open to hear good things about Obama. He is asking for the folks to be open.
He is one of the many reasons I stay away from FOX News.
| 515 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:07:50pm |
re: #509 unrealizedviewpoint
If one's mind is absolutely closed to conservative ideals one sees nothing of O'Reilly's inclusiveness. Scorn is all they find.
I think that's valid. Same can be said about progressive ideas and Obama's inclusiveness. Either way assuming that information about O'Reilly is true, I offer him respect for saying so and for supporting the public option with regard to health care. That one he MUST have took some heat over.
| 516 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:08:25pm |
re: #512 Locker
Well that's one difference between here and there... when the animals run the zoo you can't really control things, you risk being eaten yourself.
Absolutely.
| 517 |
Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:08:26pm |
re: #513 funky chicken
Hey, they're treating you as well as they treat John McCain. I guess you're seen as a traitor to the cause because you believe in policing your own.
What on earth is everyone talking about? I just sat down and see a virtual blogwar going on? I remember Jammie. He was real regular around these parts a few years ago. What area in Hotair is he slamming us.
| 518 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:08:28pm |
re: #509 unrealizedviewpoint
If one's mind is absolutely closed to conservative ideals one sees nothing of O'Reilly's inclusiveness. Scorn is all they find.
Does one have to like O'Reilly to be a conservative?
| 519 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:09:13pm |
evening lizards :)
happy Friday :)
how are you doing? and what did i miss here?
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:09:37pm |
re: #519 Gella
evening lizards :)
happy Friday :)
how are you doing? and what did i miss here?
What up?
| 521 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:09:59pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:10:08pm |
| 523 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:10:11pm |
re: #520 HoosierHoops
What up?
its Friday, life is good :) some wine does your body good, how are you?
| 524 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:10:12pm |
re: #517 Truck Monkey
What on earth is everyone talking about? I just sat down and see a virtual blogwar going on? I remember Jammie. He was real regular around these parts a few years ago. What area in Hotair is he slamming us.
I was thinking the same. Can't find it.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:10:22pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
Does one have to like O'Reilly to be a conservative?
O'Reilly is another whore...and I'm a conservative...I could care less about his point of view on anything
| 526 |
Cathypop Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:10:31pm |
re: #519 Gella
evening lizards :)
happy Friday :)
how are you doing? and what did i miss here?
The BBQ grill is calling my name and I must obey.
See Ya later lizards
| 527 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:11:03pm |
re: #521 kiwiviv
Sorry - what does that mean?
I'm guessing it means "fuck o'reilly" but that's only because I'm constantly replacing that word with "folk" and "fork" and "fudge" around our kid so my wife doesn't get to pissed off.
| 528 |
J.S. Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:11:14pm |
One final, brief comment here...speaking about journalism and ethics...There is one thing which I find annoying (about Sanchez's program on CNN) and that's the use of "twitter" junk running along on the "ticker" (scrolling along the bottom of the screen -- crap from viewers) -- I remember commenting on this the first time I saw this being done at CNN -- I was not happy -- and when I first saw it, i was reading the "comments" and wondering, "this is not 'news'; these 'comments' are even worse than blog entries"...(If some "news" person wants to have a Twitter account, and keep in contact with his/her 'fans', fine -- but let's not put it out there on public display or run it on the crawler)...And, if I want to read a blog or some stupid stuff, I'll go to the Internet...CNN shouldn't present themselves as part of this (I think it damages their reputation -- but, that's just me...)
| 529 |
SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:11:43pm |
re: #507 Charles
And look what's going on in that thread now. It's an absolute hatefest.
Morrissey knows that I had nothing to do with KT's stunt. But he's doing nothing to put a stop to the hundreds of comments that claim I orchestrated the whole thing. And neither is Allahpundit.
For a while, I was prepared to be charitable and assume Ed was only doing it for the money, which he certainly has need of. But it's one thing to generate income by appealing to the lowest common denominator (still a bad thing, but understandable if the ROI is high enough, I suppose) and quite another to let that poison spread throughout your own system, as seems to be happening from your description. Nasty emails are a sign that he's not just putting up a front in order to draw a paycheck; it indicates that he actually believes the shit he's peddling.
The GOP better get their shit together in a hurry. The Internet is rapidly becoming indispensible during elections, and they certainly aren't going to get any help at all out of the current crowd of rightward blogs when even a gnat-hair's departure from extremist ideology will earn you a Titanic-load of shit from the readership.
Maybe the Conservatives putting down roots in the Democratic party are a better bet for advancing that movement. The GOP is rapidly losing the ability to advance any sort of reasonable agenda.
| 530 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:11:55pm |
re: #525 albusteve
O'Reilly is another whore...and I'm a conservative...I could care less about his point of view on anything
recognizing allies is key to success.
| 531 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:11:59pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
Does one have to like O'Reilly to be a conservative?
stupid gawker just called O'Reilly a socialist
| 532 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:10pm |
re: #525 albusteve
O'Reilly is another whore...and I'm a conservative...I could care less about his point of view on anything
I like him better than the others, but he does try to blame a lot on me, being an atheist; philosophically speaking.
| 533 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:15pm |
re: #525 albusteve
O'Reilly is another whore...and I'm a conservative...I could care less about his point of view on anything
I think you meant to say: "I COULDN'T care less..."
I'm a conservative and I like O'Reilly
| 534 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:27pm |
re: #527 Locker
I'm guessing it means "fuck o'reilly" but that's only because I'm constantly replacing that word with "folk" and "fork" and "fudge" around our kid so my wife doesn't get to pissed off.
Hmm. And your wife figures your kid hasn't figured that one out yet? LOL.
| 535 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:27pm |
re: #528 J.S.
One final, brief comment here...speaking about journalism and ethics...There is one thing which I find annoying (about Sanchez's program on CNN) and that's the use of "twitter" junk running along on the "ticker" (scrolling along the bottom of the screen -- crap from viewers) -- I remember commenting on this the first time I saw this being done at CNN -- I was not happy -- and when I first saw it, i was reading the "comments" and wondering, "this is not 'news'; these 'comments' are even worse than blog entries"...(If some "news" person wants to have a Twitter account, and keep in contact with his/her 'fans', fine -- but let's not put it out there on public display or run it on the crawler)...And, if I want to read a blog or some stupid stuff, I'll go to the Internet...CNN shouldn't present themselves as part of this (I think it damages their reputation -- but, that's just me...)
It is kind of lame. I do believe they lifted it from TRL.
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sagehen Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:33pm |
re: #95 Wendya
Sharmuta, CBS pimped the Bush memo in order to influence the result of the Presidential election. Remember?
Right. Fox would never make up a story to try to influence the result of a presidential election.
Fox News apologises for Kerry fabrication
And nobody lost their job over it.
| 537 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:56pm |
re: #527 Locker
I'm guessing it means "fuck o'reilly" but that's only because I'm constantly replacing that word with "folk" and "fork" and "fudge" around our kid so my wife doesn't get to pissed off.
Ahhh I get it. I don't use that word, myself, so I guess that was my problem.
| 538 |
Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:12:58pm |
re: #523 Gella
its Friday, life is good :) some wine does your body good, how are you?
Just wonderful! Glad you are doing well...Don't forget to put on some body armor tonight... Be well
| 539 |
Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:13:08pm |
re: #511 debutaunt
Eats, Shoots and Leaves has a fun chapter on them.
The extraneous apostrophes are a pet peeve of mine.
Another is the misuse of the word 'loose' for the word 'lose'. Both are valid words so spell check doesn't 'catch' the error. I've seen this mistake in magazines and newspapers - I expect to see it in a book soon enough.
| 540 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:13:36pm |
re: #534 Cato the Elder
Hmm. And your wife figures your kid hasn't figured that one out yet? LOL.
From your lips to her ears my friend.
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rwmofo Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:13:41pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
Does one have to like O'Reilly to be a conservative?
Ummm, no.
Additionally, if you want to learn basic economics, mute him.
...and, wait, this could take forever. See first response.
| 542 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:13:42pm |
re: #538 HoosierHoops
Just wonderful! Glad you are doing well...Don't forget to put on some body armor tonight... Be well
body armor?? say what???
be well John Sparton :)
| 543 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:13:55pm |
O'Reilly is hot shit. Don't allow envy to distort perception.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:14:01pm |
re: #533 kiwiviv
I think you meant to say: "I COULDN'T care less..."
I'm a conservative and I like O'Reilly
I'm a conservative and I like Mick Jagger
| 545 |
doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:14:56pm |
re: #466 kiwiviv
Things like this are usually complicated. The fish DOES have a LOT to do with it, however.
It has a bit, I guess, but
See #471, it's a good comment
| 546 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:15:11pm |
re: #536 sagehen
Right. Fox would never make up a story to try to influence the result of a presidential election.
Fox News apologises for Kerry fabrication
And nobody lost their job over it.
Gee, a story from 2004. I wonder if you have an agenda?
| 547 |
Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:15:12pm |
re: #544 albusteve
I'm a conservative and I like Mick Jagger
I'm a conservative and my favorite position is the Orly Taitz. ;-)
| 548 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:15:16pm |
re: #522 unrealizedviewpoint
non sequitur
Not really. You said, "If one's mind is absolutely closed to conservative ideals one sees nothing of O'Reilly's inclusiveness. Scorn is all they find."
I see nothing in O'Reilly but another media creep. So does that mean my mind is closed to all conservative ideals?
re: #530 unrealizedviewpoint
recognizing allies is key to success.
And what other allies do you see at Fox these days?
| 549 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:15:35pm |
re: #544 albusteve
I'm a conservative and I like Mick Jagger
I regret that I have only one up ding to give for the Jagger props.
| 550 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:15:58pm |
re: #546 unrealizedviewpoint
Gee, a story from 2004. I wonder if you have an agenda?
Yeah- isn't it terrible when someone brings facts in here?
| 551 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:16:17pm |
re: #543 unrealizedviewpoint
O'Reilly is hot shit. Don't allow envy to distort perception.
O'Reilly is a disgusting creep who stuck up for Dan Rather during Rathergate, and bears some responsibility for creating the atmosphere that resulted in the murder of Dr. George Tiller -- he repeated "Tiller the babykiller" dozens of times on his show, compared him to Nazis, said he was running a death factory, etc.
He demonized the man to a degree that was completely despicable, then played dumb when people called him on it and claimed he'd never done it.
O'Reilly is scum.
| 552 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:16:23pm |
re: #501 Charles
This was a person who I trusted with monitor privileges too. And let him relentlessly pimp his blog, using the Linkviewer tool.
Just another asshole.
This is very disappointing.
It's been my observation, Charles - when you have an issue with someone, you deal with it head on, directly, with that person, no beating around the bush, no hiding.
Now, there are times when my personal point of view does not correspond to yours or to the general sentiments here.
But trashing you behind your back, sneaking it into blogs other than one's own - it's just despicable behavior. Jaw-dropping.
| 553 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:16:44pm |
re: #530 unrealizedviewpoint
O'Reilly's allegiance is to his pocket book, and nothing else. If he states a position that I agree with, fine. But I am not fool enough to believe he is my ally.
| 554 |
Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:16:53pm |
re: #542 Gella
body armor?? say what???
be well John Sparton :)
John Sparton you have been fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute.
| 555 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:18:09pm |
re: #548 Cato the Elder
And what other allies do you see at Fox these days?
The day my fringe Left friend said "I Love O'Reilly" is the day I truly understood O'Reilly.
| 556 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:18:41pm |
re: #545 doubter4444
It has a bit, I guess, but
See #471, it's a good comment
I saw it - the comments were ok, but again, Hawaii didn't really need to say that Fox News was "ranting" about the story. Commentary shows like Hannity, should be able to cover a story like this one without being called "ranting." I think the subject has been covered a couple of times, but it certainly hasn't been on the level of "ranting." This is a serious thing for thousands of families, and could affect the food supplies to the rest of the country.
| 557 |
funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:18:46pm |
re: #446 doubter4444
Exactly.
My parents lived up there for a while and besides, the whole California water history is really convoluted and messy.
To say that it's over the a fish is disingenuous to the point of meaninglessness.
This really in not a case that be be simple-mindedly attributed to Tree huggers or whatnot, it's about where the water goes, south to LA or to the farmers.
It's a big story, but not an easy one.
Hmm. Water for farmers or water for Hollywood?
I vote for the farmers.
| 558 |
Hawaii69 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:19:23pm |
re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth
The soil is ideal for agriculture. The location/weather, not so much.
Do you have a link, or can you direct me to a site with more info beyond the fish thing? It would be appreciated, because I do want to be informed about this.
Though this story is getting a lot of attention lately, I remember hearing about it months and months ago, at which time I got some more in depth information about it. I couldn't point you to anything off the top of my head.
Searching for it in the news today, this is one of the first things that comes up. If you can get past the fact that it's a political piece in an "indy" paper, the story does contain some good background information further down the page.
[Link: www.indybay.org...]
| 559 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:19:28pm |
re: #553 Slumbering Behemoth
O'Reilly's allegiance is to his pocket book, and nothing else. If he states a position that I agree with, fine. But I am not fool enough to believe he is my ally.
I disagree, his success is beyond $. Take a closer look in the coming months.
| 560 |
Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:19:49pm |
re: #557 funky chicken
Hmm. Water for farmers or water for Hollywood?
I vote for the farmers.
Where's your compassion for celebrity?!1!?!1
| 561 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:19:53pm |
You Could Own Gene Roddenberry's 1980s Apple Mac
This amazing artifact, which is accompanied by a signed letter of provenance from Gene Roddenberry's son, Rod, will be a special addition to Profiles in History's October 8-9, 2009 auction of Hollywood memorabilia. It has an estimated sale price of $800-$1200. Worldwide bidding begins at 12:00 PM (noon) both days and can be placed either in person, via mail, phone, fax or live on the Internet at: [Link: www.icollector.com...]
now, i seriously want it
| 562 |
sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:20:51pm |
re: #521 kiwiviv
Play on words with the "F" word, obviously didn't go over well...
| 563 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:21:09pm |
re: #559 unrealizedviewpoint
I disagree, his success is beyond $. Take a closer look in the coming months.
Nerts.
| 564 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:21:35pm |
re: #551 Charles
O'Reilly is a disgusting creep who stuck up for Dan Rather during Rathergate, and bears some responsibility for creating the atmosphere that resulted in the murder of Dr. George Tiller -- he repeated "Tiller the babykiller" dozens of times on his show, compared him to Nazis, said he was running a death factory, etc.
He demonized the man to a degree that was completely despicable, then played dumb when people called him on it and claimed he'd never done it.
O'Reilly is scum.
You and I disagree on RTL issues. I support O'Reilly.
| 565 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:21:43pm |
re: #552 reine.de.tout
This is very disappointing.
It's been my observation, Charles - when you have an issue with someone, you deal with it head on, directly, with that person, no beating around the bush, no hiding.
Now, there are times when my personal point of view does not correspond to yours or to the general sentiments here.
But trashing you behind your back, sneaking it into blogs other than one's own - it's just despicable behavior. Jaw-dropping.
More than that.
JammieWearingFool snuck in yesterday with a sock puppet named "Don't Tase Me, Bro," and posted this comment full of insults:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Notice that he claimed he "hadn't been here in a while." He's a sneaky, dishonest creep. I put his name back on that comment so people won't be fooled into thinking it wasn't him.
| 566 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:21:57pm |
re: #561 Gella
You Could Own Gene Roddenberry's 1980s Apple Mac
This amazing artifact, which is accompanied by a signed letter of provenance from Gene Roddenberry's son, Rod, will be a special addition to Profiles in History's October 8-9, 2009 auction of Hollywood memorabilia. It has an estimated sale price of $800-$1200. Worldwide bidding begins at 12:00 PM (noon) both days and can be placed either in person, via mail, phone, fax or live on the Internet at: [Link: www.icollector.com...]
now, i seriously want it
$800-$1200 for a Mac? Didn't they cost North of $2k when they were new? Seems a bargain for Roddenberry memorabilia.
| 567 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:21:58pm |
re: #555 unrealizedviewpoint
The day my fringe Left friend said "I Love O'Reilly" is the day I truly understood O'Reilly.
'truly understanding' O'Reilly must be some sort of low point...what kind of person would give a shit?...Dancing With the Pundits anyone?
| 568 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:22:00pm |
re: #562 sngnsgt
Play on words with the "F" word, obviously didn't go over well...
Thanks mate - someone explained it to me. I don't use the word, so I was waaay slow. Sorry - my fault.
| 569 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:22:19pm |
| 570 |
Digital Display Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:22:22pm |
re: #560 Sharmuta
Where's your compassion for celebrity?!1!?!1
LA will always get water from NorCal...They own Sac...
Central California may be getting screwed...I'm still doing some research on this..
| 571 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:22:29pm |
| 572 |
Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:22:33pm |
re: #559 unrealizedviewpoint
I disagree, his success is beyond $. Take a closer look in the coming months.
What - he's going to achieve Nirvana? Become president of some country?
What do you know that isn't tied to his profit-making ability, either for himself or for Fox News?
O'Reilly is a pompous ass. He's one of the reasons I dumped Fox News.
| 573 |
Gella Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:23:29pm |
re: #566 CyanSnowHawk
$800-$1200 for a Mac? Didn't they cost North of $2k when they were new? Seems a bargain for Roddenberry memorabilia.
this is for starters, i am sure it will go for much much more
| 574 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:23:34pm |
re: #569 Naso Tang
You do mean the music, don't you?
that too...a fascinating personality and extremely bright guy...why would you ask?
| 575 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:23:34pm |
re: #572 Dreader1962
What - he's going to achieve Nirvana? Become president of some country?
What do you know that isn't tied to his profit-making ability, either for himself or for Fox News?
O'Reilly is a pompous ass. He's one of the reasons I dumped Fox News.
It's okay. When you dumped them 5 others began watching.
| 576 |
doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:23:40pm |
re: #546 unrealizedviewpoint
Gee, a story from 2004. I wonder if you have an agenda?
Ummm, it was in response to a comment about the 2004 election, and to the Bush memos, from... 2004
Follow the thread, or you'll look like an ass.
| 577 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:23:42pm |
re: #559 unrealizedviewpoint
I wasn't speaking about his success. I was speaking about his allegiance. He is a MSM squawking head, and his allegiance is to his bottom line, not conservatives, not the US, and not to you or me.
| 579 |
Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:24:17pm |
re: #568 kiwiviv
Thanks mate - someone explained it to me. I don't use the word, so I was waaay slow. Sorry - my fault.
The logo for my floor in Shaw Hall at Michigan State University was '4Q'. Say it three times fast and you'll get it. The graffiti was a large capital Q with a Roman numeral '4' (IV) in the middle - you would see it all over campus. I wonder if they still use it...
| 580 |
Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:24:40pm |
re: #570 HoosierHoops
LA will always get water from NorCal...They own Sac...
Central California may be getting screwed...I'm still doing some research on this..
The farming communities in the Salinas valley and the Fresno areas are getting hammered. Unemployment is rampant and smaller farms are going under.
| 581 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:24:44pm |
re: #558 Hawaii69
Indybay always re-directs, so I don't see the article you are referencing. Thanks for trying, anyway. Appreciated.
| 582 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:25:04pm |
re: #564 unrealizedviewpoint
You and I disagree on RTL issues. I support O'Reilly.
That's very, very interesting.
Very.
| 584 |
Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:25:40pm |
re: #575 unrealizedviewpoint
It's okay. When you dumped them 5 others began watching.
...which is a sad comment on American intellect.
| 585 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:25:43pm |
I put JammieWearingFool's name on that comment, because he tried to lie about it -- and people should know who it really was.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 586 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:25:53pm |
re: #551 Charles
O'Reilly is a disgusting creep who stuck up for Dan Rather during Rathergate ...
Correct me if I'm wrong. I recall O'Reilly interviewing you following Rathergate. It was later, much later that O'Reilly sided with Rather, and that was siding with him as a newsman.
| 587 |
wrenchwench Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:26:04pm |
re: #565 Charles
More than that.
JammieWearingFool snuck in yesterday with a sock puppet named "Don't Tase Me, Bro," and posted this comment full of insults:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Notice that he claimed he "hadn't been here in a while." He's a sneaky, dishonest creep.
With Socky Sockpuppet as an avatar? What an ass.
| 588 |
doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:26:49pm |
re: #556 kiwiviv
I saw it - the comments were ok, but again, Hawaii didn't really need to say that Fox News was "ranting" about the story. Commentary shows like Hannity, should be able to cover a story like this one without being called "ranting." I think the subject has been covered a couple of times, but it certainly hasn't been on the level of "ranting." This is a serious thing for thousands of families, and could affect the food supplies to the rest of the country.
Perhaps.
But Hannity is a pig, and I trust nothing that he says.
Regardless of that, Hawaii's point stands.
| 589 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:26:57pm |
re: #564 unrealizedviewpoint
You and I disagree on RTL issues. I support O'Reilly.
On the issue referenced O'Reilly sold himself to the populists for ratings.
| 590 |
kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:10pm |
re: #579 Dreader1962
The logo for my floor in Shaw Hall at Michigan State University was '4Q'. Say it three times fast and you'll get it. The graffiti was a large capital Q with a Roman numeral '4' (IV) in the middle - you would see it all over campus. I wonder if they still use it...
I'm slow - but I get that one!
| 591 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:10pm |
| 592 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:10pm |
re: #576 doubter4444
Ummm, it was in response to a comment about the 2004 election, and to the Bush memos, from... 2004
Follow the thread, or you'll look like an ass.
Oh, bullshit. You pulled that outta your arse.
| 593 |
BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:18pm |
Interesting comment at HA:
We have one of our own over at LGF pulling the same stunt that Kilgore pulled last night.
Knucklehead on September 18, 2009 at 7:36 PM
No cached pages available to link. but it's there on the Ed post about their comment policy.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:49pm |
re: #587 wrenchwench
With Socky Sockpuppet as an avatar? What an ass.
After using LGF day in and day out to promote himself... Classless.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:51pm |
re: #586 unrealizedviewpoint
Correct me if I'm wrong. I recall O'Reilly interviewing you following Rathergate. It was later, much later that O'Reilly sided with Rather, and that was siding with him as a newsman.
No, O'Reilly did not interview me, and he came out in favor of Dan Rather shortly after the whole mess came out.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:27:53pm |
re: #589 Naso Tang
On the issue referenced O'Reilly sold himself to the populists for ratings.
Than I'm a populist on a 50% to 50% issue.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:28:17pm |
re: #580 Truck Monkey
The farming communities in the Salinas valley and the Fresno areas are getting hammered. Unemployment is rampant and smaller farms are going under.
two words...
desalination
so where they at with that?
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:28:49pm |
re: #574 albusteve
that too...a fascinating personality and extremely bright guy...why would you ask?
I liked him in that Sci Fi movie, but I saw him on the beach in the Bahamas many years ago, and that was the image I had in mind. Nuff said.
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:29:02pm |
re: #593 iceweasel
Interesting comment at HA:
No cached pages available to link. but it's there on the Ed post about their comment policy.
How could they do that unless the account already existed? I didn't think registration had been open since yesterday. I could have missed it though.
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doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:29:28pm |
re: #557 funky chicken
Hmm. Water for farmers or water for Hollywood?
I vote for the farmers.
LOL.
I think you are be facetious, but there are thirty million people in SoCal, and the water is drying up.
It's a bad situation, and as said earlier, not easy.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:29:31pm |
re: #593 iceweasel
Interesting comment at HA:
No cached pages available to link. but it's there on the Ed post about their comment policy.
I think they think they have one of their own here, and I think s/he/it's already met Stinky. Or will very soon.
If they had taken care of business before this, they wouldn't see the need to be playing reindeer games today.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:29:57pm |
re: #593 iceweasel
Interesting comment at HA:
No cached pages available to link. but it's there on the Ed post about their comment policy.
Would that have been Ted? He's dropped off as of late.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:30:05pm |
re: #593 iceweasel
Bigoted comments aren't allowed here so I don't know what they could be talking about.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:30:17pm |
re: #593 iceweasel
Interesting comment at HA:
No cached pages available to link. but it's there on the Ed post about their comment policy.
They're bullshitting. I've been watching the Master Spy and nothing like that is going on. Pumping themselves up with revenge fantasies.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:30:24pm |
re: #588 doubter4444
Perhaps.
But Hannity is a pig, and I trust nothing that he says.
Regardless of that, Hawaii's point stands.
Oooo come on now - I thought we were going to tone down the hateful comments. I understand that lot of people dislike Hannity - intensely, but he has done well to present the farmer's side in this California water debate.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:30:53pm |
re: #595 Charles
No, O'Reilly did not interview me, and he came out in favor of Dan Rather shortly after the whole mess came out.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Wow! I've really been wrong IMO all these years. maybe it was the smoke he fauxtography he interviewed you on then. wasn't that later?
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:31:04pm |
re: #597 albusteve
two words...
desalinationso where they at with that?
Small plants are under construction.
In the San Diego area, the Carlsbad Desalinization Plant.
After ten years of planning and five years in the state’s permitting process, the Carlsbad Desalination Plant has now received final approvals from every required regulatory and permitting agency in the state, including the California Coastal Commission, State Lands Commission and Regional Water Quality Control Board.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:31:24pm |
re: #606 unrealizedviewpoint
Wow! I've really been wrong IMO all these years. maybe it was the smoke he fauxtography he interviewed you on then. wasn't that later?
O'Reilly has never interviewed me.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:31:25pm |
re: #598 Naso Tang
I liked him in that Sci Fi movie, but I saw him on the beach in the Bahamas many years ago, and that was the image I had in mind. Nuff said.
didn't dig his swimwear eh?...I can understand
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Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:32:37pm |
re: #597 albusteve
two words...
desalinationso where they at with that?
No where. I think that it was stated by someone upstairs that the amount of electricity it takes for desalination is cost prohibitive. California produces the finest agricultural goods (except for citrus...possibly) in the US and we all will pay a price for having it take a hit. Another thing that has hurt the Ag industry is the new Trucking laws in CA.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:32:56pm |
re: #578 sngnsgt
It's all good... ;-)
A friend told me to tell you: "Shut the front door!" Whatever that means
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:33:11pm |
re: #599 Locker
How could they do that unless the account already existed? I didn't think registration had been open since yesterday. I could have missed it though.
There's a lot of crossover between HA commenters and members of the Village of the Banned, and many of them have dormant sockpuppets here. I'd bet half the flounces we get on any given day are people who have already flounced once before.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:34:00pm |
re: #604 Charles
They're bullshitting. I've been watching the Master Spy and nothing like that is going on. Pumping themselves up with revenge fantasies.
Figures.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:34:06pm |
re: #607 CyanSnowHawk
interesting...they better speed up the process and get it going with nukes...all smoke and no fire will doom the ag business
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Throbert McGee Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:34:07pm |
Ted, if you're still there:
I dunno what "homophobic" terms you used, since your posts with those terms were deleted, but here's the thing -- even if you were to use those terms towards a homosexual who overwhelmingly deserves it (and in this category I'd put Paul Morris, founder of Treasure Island Media, a gay-pr0n company that relentlessly markets "bareback" videos), it's still going to be cherry picked by LGF-haters in order to attack Charles for allowing such terms, howsoever justified they might have been in the context. And from what I gather, in your posts you weren't directing "faggot" or "cocksucker" or "fudgepacker" or whatever towards actual homos (like myself or Mr. Paul Morris), but just to disparage people with different politics than yours. Which means that you're basically creating a headache for Charles in a context where it's not even remotely necessary.
Note that Charles didn't allow "faggot" etc. in the comments even when he posted the zombietime report about the incredibly irresponsible and anti-social behavior shown by some gay men in the Folsom Street Fair (which overlaps a bit with what Treasure Island Media does). So how much LESS should he tolerate it when the context has nothing to do with homosexuality in any literal sense, and certain words are being used as metaphoric insults?
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:34:08pm |
re: #612 iceweasel
There's a lot of crossover between HA commenters and members of the Village of the Banned, and many of them have dormant sockpuppets here. I'd bet half the flounces we get on any given day are people who have already flounced once before.
Oh right the reflouncers. Makes perfect sense I was just assuming there claim was that they made a new sleeper. Thanks much.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:34:27pm |
re: #608 Charles
O'Reilly has never interviewed me.
Wow! Maybe I waz dreaming. I really recall an interview...
/here only weeks ago I said "I never dream LGF"
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:35:39pm |
Musta been a different interviewer at FOX? No?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:35:39pm |
re: #616 Locker
Oh right the reflouncers. Makes perfect sense I was just assuming there claim was that they made a new sleeper. Thanks much.
Yeah, they couldn't do that. CJ says they're bullshitting anyway.
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doubter4444 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:35:47pm |
re: #605 kiwiviv
Oooo come on now - I thought we were going to tone down the hateful comments. I understand that lot of people dislike Hannity - intensely, but he has done well to present the farmer's side in this California water debate.
Maybe, and yes that's a bit harsh, but I don't like the guy.
My folks had an orchard in the SJ valley.
The the piece was pretty simpleminded.
As I said, I know the area and some of the issues, the "farmers" side is a complicated one.
It's alway been about who gets the most water, now it's getting to who gets any.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:36:16pm |
re: #596 unrealizedviewpoint
Than I'm a populist on a 50% to 50% issue.
The point that comes to mind is that O'Reilly sells himself as fair and balanced, and to be fair he often can be, but he is perfectly prepared to dump that for the emotion of the moment when it suits him, particularly when it involves religion.
I've heard him promoting conspiracies against Christmas while I was decorating the tree, for example. But I have to listen to some of this stuff to be able to post here, don't I?
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Locker Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:37:12pm |
re: #621 Naso Tang
The point that comes to mind is that O'Reilly sells himself as fair and balanced, and to be fair he often can be, but he is perfectly prepared to dump that for the emotion of the moment when it suits him, particularly when it involves religion.
I've heard him promoting conspiracies against Christmas while I was decorating the tree, for example. But I have to listen to some of this stuff to be able to post here, don't I?
If that's true I'm way behind on my quota and will never, ever catch up.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:37:36pm |
I was waffling about banning 'ted' even after those remarks because he's been here for a long time. Then I remembered Iron Fist.
Not going to make that mistake again. Ted is out of here.
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:37:48pm |
re: #610 Truck Monkey
No where. I think that it was stated by someone upstairs that the amount of electricity it takes for desalination is cost prohibitive. California produces the finest agricultural goods (except for citrus...possibly) in the US and we all will pay a price for having it take a hit. Another thing that has hurt the Ag industry is the new Trucking laws in CA.
they have their priorities reversed...no sympathy for the willfully stupid
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:37:55pm |
re: #619 iceweasel
Yeah, they couldn't do that. CJ says they're bullshitting anyway.
It was probably Ted. The problem with hot air's little revenge attack is language like that isn't tolerated here now or has it ever been- unlike their cesspit. Maybe they should worry about their own blog and community since they're the ones who had to be told to knock it off by their own moderators.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:39:32pm |
re: #600 doubter4444
LOL.
I think you are be facetious, but there are thirty million people in SoCal, and the water is drying up.
It's a bad situation, and as said earlier, not easy.
I have seen some studies that the past 100 years or so have been an unusual weather pattern in the west, and not a global warming issue either.
If true, that could turn out to have been like a gold rush when the mines run out, fish or no fish.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:40:34pm |
Looks like Michelle Malkin also finally got around to removing LGF from her links.
Cool.
Anyone for a VDARE post?
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:41:01pm |
re: #600 doubter4444
LOL.
I think you are be facetious, but there are thirty million people in SoCal, and the water is drying up.
It's a bad situation, and as said earlier, not easy.
desalination? no more irrigated golf courses? agriculture is more important than an awful lot of the vanity irrigation that goes on in So Cal. golf courses and the expansive, overly lush/green celebrity estates are pet peeves of mine.
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:42:38pm |
re: #620 doubter4444
Ok. I'm listening and trying to understand all the angles. I drive through there a lot and am astounded at the once fertile valley.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:42:41pm |
re: #626 Sharmuta
It was probably Ted. The problem with hot air's little revenge attack is language like that isn't tolerated here now or has it ever been- unlike their cesspit. Maybe they should worry about their own blog and community since they're the ones who had to be told to knock it off by their own moderators.
That's actually why I posted it. Thought it could be him.
Probably was unrelated though. HA revenge fantasies plus ted being a homophobe.
I know he's been here a while but I had seen some other unpleasant stuff by him in the past as well.
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Lee Coller Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:42:42pm |
re: #628 Charles
Looks like Michelle Malkin also finally got around to removing LGF from her links.
Cool.
Anyone for a VDARE post?
No thanks, I don't want to have to take a shower yet.
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bloodnok Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:42:47pm |
re: #626 Sharmuta
It was probably Ted. The problem with hot air's little revenge attack is language like that isn't tolerated here now or has it ever been- unlike their cesspit. Maybe they should worry about their own blog and community since they're the ones who had to be told to knock it off by their own moderators.
Yes. "Sticking it to the man" -for 8 seconds anyway. He's everybody's hero. /
Fight the power, dudette.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:43:13pm |
re: #628 Charles
Looks like Michelle Malkin also finally got around to removing LGF from her links.
Cool.
Anyone for a VDARE post?
Always!
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calcajun Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:43:50pm |
OT--
Good news-- this might be in production in two years.
Bad news-- I can't imagine being in that thing for two plus hours in traffic.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:44:17pm |
It's been a long time comin'
It's goin' to be a long time gone.
And it appears to be a long,
appears to be a long,
appears to be a long
time, yes, a long, long, long, long time before the dawn.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:44:56pm |
re: #536 sagehen
Right. Fox would never make up a story to try to influence the result of a presidential election.
Fox News apologises for Kerry fabrication
And nobody lost their job over it.
Are you honestly trying to draw an equivalence between forged military documents and a quip about a manicure?
Seriously?
| 640 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:45:30pm |
I remember Ted. Had a little disagreement about debating style with him recently, if my memory serves me. (Those types of matches fade quickly in memory)
However I enjoyed being able to ask Iron Fist about weapons from time to time, and don't think he was more than somewhat strident on occasion. Sorry to hear that. What failed?
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:45:50pm |
re: #623 Charles
I was waffling about banning 'ted' even after those remarks because he's been here for a long time. Then I remembered Iron Fist.
Not going to make that mistake again. Ted is out of here.
I can understand your decision. He was given ample opportunity to make peace - many people were trying to talk him down from the ledge. He seemed to enjoy the attention.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:47:09pm |
re: #628 Charles
Looks like Michelle Malkin also finally got around to removing LGF from her links.
Cool.
Anyone for a VDARE post?
I'm surprised that as a creationist she didn't do so long ago.
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KingKenrod Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:47:23pm |
re: #595 Charles
No, O'Reilly did not interview me, and he came out in favor of Dan Rather shortly after the whole mess came out.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
O'Reilly continued to have Rather on his program for several years after Rathergate. That changed when Rather accused Fox journalists of getting their talking points from Roger Ailes. O'Reilly routinely throws Rather under the bus now.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:47:24pm |
re: #623 Charles
I was waffling about banning 'ted' even after those remarks because he's been here for a long time. Then I remembered Iron Fist.
Not going to make that mistake again. Ted is out of here.
Thank you for that. Ted deserves it even more, since he's worse than IF. Iron Fist actually knows useful information and often constructively contributed to discussions, despite his problems that lead you (justifiably) to block him. Ted just spewed passive-aggressive crap all the time. Good riddance.
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bloodnok Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:48:00pm |
re: #641 Dreader1962
I can understand your decision. He was given ample opportunity to make peace - many people were trying to talk him down from the ledge. He seemed to enjoy the attention.
They all do. It's all part of the dance. Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un flounce.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:48:02pm |
re: #640 Naso Tang
I remember Ted. Had a little disagreement about debating style with him recently, if my memory serves me. (Those types of matches fade quickly in memory)
However I enjoyed being able to ask Iron Fist about weapons from time to time, and don't think he was more than somewhat strident on occasion. Sorry to hear that. What failed?
Dude...IF was personally responsible for the majority of comments that are responsible for the worst possible image of LGF held on the left. My conversations with him were always cordial in the short time I've been here, but he was warned for years about the other comments he left, in his other mood.
| 647 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:49:30pm |
I'm disappointed in everybody, everywhere.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:50:51pm |
re: #648 taxfreekiller
I don't think anyone has heard from him in a week.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:51:09pm |
re: #628 Charles
Looks like Michelle Malkin also finally got around to removing LGF from her links.
Cool.
Anyone for a VDARE post?
You won't be surprised to know that Iron Fist is currently defending VDARE over at Rodan's place. If you think you know someone, think again.
The last sentence is something I say when someone I though was good shows a really ugly and evil side I didn't see was there.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:51:45pm |
re: #648 taxfreekiller
realwest
answer your e-mails
any one talked to realwest?
His meds are making him too sleepy to be here, so I am told.
| 652 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:52:01pm |
re: #649 Killgore Trout
I don't think anyone has heard from him in a week.
I might go away for a week, but do I get people calling to see if I'm alive? nooo...
| 653 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:52:20pm |
PRISONERS at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre will now be able to talk to their families via video link, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said on Friday.
'This video link offers detainees and their families a new way of communicating with each other,' said the ICRC's Jens-Martin Mehler.
The Geneva-based group said the 'strictly humanitarian' measure, set up by the ICRC and the US military, was launched on Thursday and 60 prisoners had already signed up to use the service.
Each call would last an hour and would be limited to members of the immediate family and other close relatives, the ICRC said in a statement.
Conversations would not be allowed to stray beyond family and personal news and would be monitored by authorities at the US centre in Cuba, the ICRC added.
/coming soon to an al Qaeda jihadi website near you
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bloodnok Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:52:42pm |
re: #647 unrealizedviewpoint
I'm disappointed in everybody, everywhere.
"The world is treating me ba-a-a-aaad, Misery!"
| 655 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:53:25pm |
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funky chicken Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:53:49pm |
re: #651 Dark_Falcon
His meds are making him too sleepy to be here, so I am told.
Does he have support there in NC? A cancer patient on meds that make them sleepy...that isn't a good thing.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:53:51pm |
re: #637 Charles
It's been a long time comin'
It's goin' to be a long time gone.
And it appears to be a long,
appears to be a long,
appears to be a long
time, yes, a long, long, long, long time before the dawn.
I wish you were wrong, but you're right. The right is currently on deranged holiday on Fantasy Island. Until it returns from its vacation from reality, things will keep getting worse.
| 658 |
wrenchwench Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:54:28pm |
re: #648 taxfreekiller
realwest
answer your e-mails
any one talked to realwest?
I miss pingjockey too, and I think realwest is our line to him.
| 660 |
calcajun Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:54:54pm |
You know, I had a pretty good post going earlier round noon time. Was getting lengthy on a pet peeve about those who mess with history. Was pretty good, too. Was gonna make a few observations about what is being said about this place on the other right-wing blogs and how we have a POTUS who's practically on the ropes less than a year and the schizophrenic GOP (and I know that's an insult to people with schizophrenia) is content to beat itself to death instead.
Yep. It was a pretty good post.
Then Firefox crashed.
Again.
It's quitting time and I don't hafta work this weekend -first in two months. Will get some Scotch and maybe piece it back together.
Until then.
| 661 |
Truck Monkey Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:54:57pm |
re: #658 wrenchwench
I miss pingjockey too, and I think realwest is our line to him.
What happened to Ping?
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:55:06pm |
re: #656 funky chicken
Does he have support there in NC? A cancer patient on meds that make them sleepy...that isn't a good thing.
Is he really sick? Sorry, I didn't know.
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:55:07pm |
re: #611 kiwiviv
A friend told me to tell you: "Shut the front door!" Whatever that means
You tell me if/when you find out...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:55:17pm |
re: #653 Killian Bundy
/coming soon to an al Qaeda jihadi website near you
Great idea! Let's let captured terrorist spew more vile propaganda! Brilliant!
/bangs head against wall
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albusteve Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:55:57pm |
| 666 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:55:59pm |
There's so much dirt on VDARE it's almost unbelievable. This is an out and out white nationalist hate site, and it also promotes 9/11 Truth conspiracy theories.
And look who's one of their featured contributors:
[Link: vdare.com...]
| 667 |
calcajun Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:56:13pm |
re: #647 unrealizedviewpoint
What took you so long to have that little epiphany?
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kiwiviv Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:57:12pm |
| 670 |
sngnsgt Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:57:13pm |
re: #659 taxfreekiller
Keep in mind, Russia is our bud and mean U.S. no harm.
Someone that likes Vodka as much as I do can't be all bad./
| 671 |
theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:57:48pm |
re: #664 Dark_Falcon
Seriously, I wonder how many Gitmo detainees have had other family members involved in the war in the terrorist sense. If so, I'm sure they have lots of catching up to do by phone. You know, because it's family related.
| 672 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:57:50pm |
re: #650 Dark_Falcon
You won't be surprised to know that Iron Fist is currently defending VDARE over at Rodan's place.
No, I'm not surprised at all. A lot of people seem to have had the mistaken belief that I was one of them -- a white supremacist clever enough to hide my true beliefs with a mask of tolerance.
Oops.
| 673 |
calcajun Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:58:10pm |
re: #659 taxfreekiller
And we wonder why some spouses return to abusive relationships?
The Russians are in it for themselves. They're not ready to be a global power again. But, they are angling to be a regional one.
| 674 |
wrenchwench Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:58:11pm |
re: #661 Truck Monkey
What happened to Ping?
Had some surgery, started radiation treatments (I think it was) and dropped out of sight. I think he was in touch with realwest for a while, then not that either.
| 675 |
unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 5:58:21pm |
| 676 |
theheat Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:00:44pm |
re: #666 Charles
She's been off the deep end for a long, long time. I always wondered when other people would catch on what a freak she was.
| 677 |
Bear Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:04:24pm |
So sorry to hear about all that are having very bad medical problems. My next door neighbor of over 30 years was given a few weeks to live shortly after i left on vacation. What a shock it was when I received that notice and a couple weeks later the word that she had passed on.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:04:33pm |
re: #672 Charles
No, I'm not surprised at all. A lot of people seem to have had the mistaken belief that I was one of them -- a white supremacist clever enough to hide my true beliefs with a mask of tolerance.
Oops.
What strikes me about racists most is their absolute cowardice. I was in jump school and had two roommates - one white, one black. Most of the time we were in recovery mode getting for the next day of training together in the same room. One time when our black roommate was away, the white guy started piping up about how proud he was of his grand-daddy who was a Dragon (something-or-other) in the KKK. I shut him down quickly by telling him to share this with our other roommate.
This also demonstrates their abject stupidity in believing that every other person who shares their race believes as they do.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:04:41pm |
re: #664 Dark_Falcon
Great idea! Let's let captured terrorist spew more vile propaganda! Brilliant!
/bangs head against wall
You know what -- I don't have a problem with it. They're not letting the high value detainees take part. Only 60 inmates so far. Some of those people have been held for up to 7 years, and they've never even had a trial.
So long as it's all tightly monitored and they won't let the high value detainees take part, I don't have an objection.
The humanitarian programme, launched quietly on Thursday, is available to all but the "high-value detainees" singled out by U.S. authorities, ICRC spokesman Simon Schorno said.
"U.S. authorities have the right to prevent detainees from taking part and also have the right to monitor and censor the video-conferencing calls," Schorno told Reuters.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
| 680 |
really grumpy big dog Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:05:03pm |
For those of us who once looked to Fox News as the sole network to actually dig up the truth with some consistency, their recent turn has basically left us with no one to trust. None.
(Please don't request that I explain my comment. I don't trust you.)
:~%P%
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:05:37pm |
re: #672 Charles
No, I'm not surprised at all. A lot of people seem to have had the mistaken belief that I was one of them -- a white supremacist clever enough to hide my true beliefs with a mask of tolerance.
Oops.
People who make mistaken assumptions about other people end up revealing themselves. There was a guy in here trying to get me to sponsor his radio show with this description:
I have this right-winger on, and I let him talk, then I make fun of him.
Ha ha ha, yeah, sign me up.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:08:28pm |
The Prodigy: Fuel My Fire (ya liar)
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:09:17pm |
re: #671 theheat
Seriously, I wonder how many Gitmo detainees have had other family members involved in the war in the terrorist sense. If so, I'm sure they have lots of catching up to do by phone. You know, because it's family related.
One could also argue that holding people without charge at Gitmo could radicalise their families, or leave their sons open to radicalisation. They've got sons growing up without them, and those are the right age groups to be recruited for jihad. If they have access to their actual father in US custody, and their father can tell them he's ok and being treated well, maybe that leaves the sons and younger brothers less vulnerable to being recruited and manipulated by murderous scum.
They prefer to recruit young men for their suicide missions, never go themselves. Like the attacks in Mumbai.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:09:42pm |
re: #679 iceweasel
I understand your perspective iceweasel. I should explain that part of my point is that I fear how these calls will be used. Even though the people making them are not the worst of the worst, they are still terrorist fanatics. I fear that such calls will be used by said terrorist to present an image of resistance and defiance, and I am unwilling to allow terrorist to our own resources to attack us. To many of the terrorist, a vid-call is just another tool of war.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:11:24pm |
I'm disappointed in everybody, everywhere. Laughing and crying. How sad.
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Van Helsing Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:14:54pm |
Good smackdown. I'd say Fox well deserved it.
I still can't stand CNN though. It's a personal thing. I can't disassociate them from the lying, sleazy bastard Eason Jordan.
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sagehen Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:16:11pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:16:59pm |
re: #684 Dark_Falcon
I understand your perspective iceweasel. I should explain that part of my point is that I fear how these calls will be used. Even though the people making them are not the worst of the worst, they are still terrorist fanatics. I fear that such calls will be used by said terrorist to present an image of resistance and defiance, and I am unwilling to allow terrorist to our own resources to attack us. To many of the terrorist, a vid-call is just another tool of war.
True, which is why I was reassured that they're monitoring and censoring the calls as necessary. I assume (and I hope!) that they also have a time delay. presumably someone saying "death to america" is going to get cut off and never have another call.
On balance I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Sheepdogess Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:21:05pm |
Perhaps it's just fighting fire with fire.
CNN talking about honest reporting, that's rich.
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sagehen Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:21:58pm |
re: #503 kiwiviv
Actually, Bill O'Reilly is telling his viewers right now that they should be open to hear good things about Obama. He is asking for the folks to be open.
I'm not a Bill O'Reilly fan by any stretch, but is it possible he feels honest remorse about his part in Dr. Tiller's murder, and realizes how much exponentially worse it would be if HateFestObama emboldens another extremist?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:23:20pm |
For the record, I don't see anything wrong with what KT did at Hot Air. South Park used the 'n' word to expose and ridicule racism; what KT did was in a similar vein. Sure it'll give the cretins fodder for their faux outrage, but who cares about the phoney bleatings of a bunch of racist wingnuts?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:26:10pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
True, which is why I was reassured that they're monitoring and censoring the calls as necessary. I assume (and I hope!) that they also have a time delay. presumably someone saying "death to america" is going to get cut off and never have another call.
On balance I'm cautiously optimistic.
I'd like to be optimistic, but then I remember to amount of planning and cleverness these scum put into attacking us. I worry that they'll find a way to use this against us. And always I keep in mind this rule for dealing with terrorists:
We have to win all the time, they only have to win once. And the prospect of losing call privileges or even being beaten won't faze some of them, since they already consider their lives forfeit to the cause. Several of them might try approaches and get cut off, just looking for weaknesses in our screening methods. Inmates use such methods all the time in US prisons.
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sagehen Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:30:02pm |
re: #638 Wendya
Are you honestly trying to draw an equivalence between forged military documents and a quip about a manicure?
Seriously?
Your original "why it's different" was that "in order to influence the result of the Presidential election" is a wholly other category to "spreading lies about competing news organizations."
Now it's that there's no equivalence when it's the seriousness of what they're lying about.
Of course, I could also point out that "not doing due diligence, being fooled by something you wanted to believe" is a different than "making things up entirely." Or that an organization that fires people over the incident shows more integrity than one that doesn't.
But if said either of those things, you'd find a way to move the goalposts again.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:31:12pm |
re: #685 unrealizedviewpoint
I'm disappointed in everybody, everywhere. Laughing and crying. How sad.
You seem to be approaching the ultimate flounce: "This universe used to be a great place but now its just a bad joke etc. Please delete my existence."
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:32:19pm |
re: #604 Charles
They're bullshitting. I've been watching the Master Spy and nothing like that is going on. Pumping themselves up with revenge fantasies.
Interesting that they're in a total frenzy over Kilgore's stunt, have burned through thousands of words denouncing it...and are now hoping to emulate the same behavior they so deplore.
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SixDegrees Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:35:02pm |
re: #666 Charles
There's so much dirt on VDARE it's almost unbelievable. This is an out and out white nationalist hate site, and it also promotes 9/11 Truth conspiracy theories.
And look who's one of their featured contributors:
[Link: vdare.com...]
Ooookay.
Time for me to raise some stink. She's got a whole passel of crap denying there's anything racist going over at her site right now. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow.
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Enkidu90046 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:42:33pm |
I cannot stand Fox News... never have been able to. Even with CNN's far more subtle biases, I have always preferred watching CNN to FNC. The only time I can remember flipping to FNC on a regular basis was during the war in Lebanon because the bias of CNN against Israel was hard to stomach for too long, so I would occasionally balance things out by watching FNC (which was clearly biased in favor of Israel). CNN is barely watchable, but at least they don't out and out lie. FNC has only become more unwatchable as the years have gone on. They don't even try to hide their biases and agenda. But this lie is so obvious and so silly, I don't know how they can do it with a straight face. I didn't need this particular lie to tell me that FNC is complete and utter crap.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:44:08pm |
re: #697 The Shadow Do
Just little lost lambs...
Uh, no. Kids who grow up having lost their father to war or a POW camp (or whatever you want to call Gitmo) are prime material for recruitment and radicalisation for Jihad-- even if their fathers themselves were innocent or nonradical. That's a fact.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:46:53pm |
re: #691 Jimmah
For the record, I don't see anything wrong with what KT did at Hot Air. South Park used the 'n' word to expose and ridicule racism; what KT did was in a similar vein. Sure it'll give the cretins fodder for their faux outrage, but who cares about the phoney bleatings of a bunch of racist wingnuts?
I'm with you, Jimmah-cakes.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:50:24pm |
re: #694 Jimmah
You seem to be approaching the ultimate flounce: "This universe used to be a great place but now its just a bad joke etc. Please delete my existence."
You are such an asshole Jimmah. And stupid too.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:51:44pm |
re: #694 Jimmah
You seem to be approaching the ultimate flounce: "This universe used to be a great place but now its just a bad joke etc. Please delete my existence."
You step into a fucking thread and have no clue what's what, and make such a statement. FUCK YOU!
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Van Helsing Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:57:25pm |
re: #698 Enkidu90046
Have they gotten better? Cuz this still really irritates me:Army targets reporters in Iraq
And this part especially:
He touched off a furor with a New York Times op-ed piece in April 2003, saying CNN had withheld information about some of Saddam Hussein's abuses out of concern for its Iraqi employees in Baghdad. This sparked criticism that the network was collaborating with a murderer's regime to maintain its access. Jordan wrote that Hussein's son Uday had told him in 1995 of plans to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law and the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. The CNN executive said he had warned the king; the brothers-in-law were later killed.
Old news I know. I just have trouble letting it go.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 6:59:20pm |
re: #702 unrealizedviewpoint
Dear unrealisticviewpoint,
Please take your profanity-laced screeds somewhere else.
Enjoy the downdings,
Dark_Falcon
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borgcube Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:02:46pm |
Rick who? I swear, never heard of him. What time is his shown on CNN?re: #528 J.S.
Haha! I've only seen his show once and that was while standing in line for lunch about six months ago or so. I had never heard of him before then. It was the also the first time I really had seen what Twitter is or does (I still think it's completely idiotic) and some person was tweeting or whatever it's called that she was in a bathroom stall and that she thought the girl in the next stall over was tweeting too. Very appetizing waiting for my sushi at Sansei. How does that even get on a news channel feed?
All I kept asking myself was why is this on CNN? How about some stock quotes or something? It was weird. I looked around to see if anyone else had noticed but everyone had their faces buried into their blackberries probably tweeting. That was enough for me to know that I wanted nothing to do with Twitter and that I'd pass on watching Sanchez. I'm normally not in a position to watch TV during his show hours anyway.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:03:08pm |
re: #704 Dark_Falcon
Dear unrealisticviewpoint,
Please take your profanity-laced screeds somewhere else.
Enjoy the downdings,
Dark_Falcon
I knew long ago you were not smart enough to get it. Whatever.
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Buck Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:10:58pm |
re: #151 Charles
Yeah! Who cares if they lie? Lying is cool!
Lying is not cool, and that is ironic in this case... but luckily Irony is cool.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:12:49pm |
re: #701 unrealizedviewpoint
You are such an asshole Jimmah. And stupid too.
It was a joke you cretin.
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Wendya Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:16:14pm |
re: #693 sagehen
But if said either of those things, you'd find a way to move the goalposts again.
I am not the one moving the goalposts. I'm not the one saying forging military documents is the same as lying about your news competitor or making up a quip about John Kerry liking manicures.
Seriously, are we not supposed to be adults here capable of rational thought or are we so inflamed by getfoxitis that we've decided hyperbole is cool?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:16:35pm |
re: #708 Jimmah
It was a joke you cretin.
Interestingly, I'd just downdinged poor little unrealised potential upstairs for calling DF stupid. It was nice to have a few more opportunities to do so.
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Enkidu90046 Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:16:53pm |
re: #703 Van Helsing
I don't like CNN one bit, mind you, and they have their own bias and shenanigans... but in a race to the bottom as between CNN and FNC, FNC is winning the race by a country mile.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:16:57pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:17:43pm |
Weasel, you'll always be a weasel.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:17:50pm |
re: #712 unrealizedviewpoint
I get humor. That wasn't humor. You're just crass.
No, he isn't. You're belligerent.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:18:15pm |
re: #710 iceweasel
Interestingly, I'd just downdinged poor little unrealised potential upstairs for calling DF stupid. It was nice to have a few more opportunities to do so.
Thank you, iceweasel. UV, please settle down. This isn't worth getting in trouble over.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:18:27pm |
re: #713 unrealizedviewpoint
Weasel, you'll always be a weasel.
Hush, Clarice. People will say that you're in love...
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:19:41pm |
re: #716 iceweasel
Hush, Clarice. People will say that you're in love...
Step back and realize what you are, and maybe you'll be more tolerant of others opinions.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:21:41pm |
re: #702 unrealizedviewpoint
What a ridiculous ball of rage you are. What was it you did last time you got all butthurt? Oh yes that's right - you stropped off to the music thread where I'd been posting videos and downdinged all of them, including posts where I'd been saying hello and goodnight to people as well. Then when called on it you finally apologised and promised to reverse them. Except you didn't.
What a truly sad sack of shit you are, unrealizedviewpoint.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:23:59pm |
re: #718 Jimmah
Oh Bullshit.
You are a horrible miserable beast who is angry at all the world seeking vengeance.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:25:42pm |
re: #719 unrealizedviewpoint
You could fill an Imax screen with that projection.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:26:32pm |
re: #717 unrealizedviewpoint
Typical late-thread butthurt. Someone gets called on being nasty by iceweasel and goes ballistic. The joke's getting old, UV.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:28:06pm |
re: #721 Dark_Falcon
Typical late-thread butthurt. Someone gets called on being nasty by iceweasel and goes ballistic. The joke's getting old, UV.
Oh c'mon. This started with you stickin your face where it shouldn't be. Jumpin before thinkin. Being stupid.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:28:39pm |
re: #717 unrealizedviewpoint
Step back and realize what you are, and maybe you'll be more tolerant of others opinions.
Realise 'what I am'? Why don't you fill me in about what I am, O Guru of the Internets?
Someone here is acting like a ridiculous ball of butthurt rage seeking a target, and it's you.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:31:33pm |
re: #723 iceweasel
Realise 'what I am'? Why don't you fill me in about what I am, O Guru of the Internets?
Someone here is acting like a ridiculous ball of butthurt rage seeking a target, and it's you.
You're a liberal and I'm a conservative. That's all. Now try to communicate.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:36:28pm |
re: #724 unrealizedviewpoint
You're a liberal and I'm a conservative. That's all. Now try to communicate.
The screaming rageball in the corner is now giving advice on tolerance. How amusing.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:39:58pm |
re: #725 Jimmah
The screaming rageball in the corner is now giving advice on tolerance. How amusing.
Jimmah-ski, you crack me up. "screaming rageball in the corner". hee.
Looks like this was another of those slow motion flounces. Our pal moved upstairs and defended the stalker blog.
Play him off, keyboard cat!
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Ramona Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:44:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:49:40pm |
re: #727 Karl Rove's Brain
The problem is that I've seen this sort of thing before. When UV started going ballistic on IW and Jimmah. I moved to defend them. I didn't call UV any names, I just told him to knock it off with the profance attacks. He reacted by attacking me. He jumped to conclusions repeatedly, and earned the reward for that action: the scorn of those who have stayed calm.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:49:40pm |
Damn, that was fast. Never even saw it.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:53:58pm |
re: #683 iceweasel
One could also argue that holding people without charge at Gitmo could radicalise their families, or leave their sons open to radicalisation. They've got sons growing up without them, and those are the right age groups to be recruited for jihad. If they have access to their actual father in US custody, and their father can tell them he's ok and being treated well, maybe that leaves the sons and younger brothers less vulnerable to being recruited and manipulated by murderous scum.
You are too considerate. The first part in particular assumes that "radicalization" is triggered by a specific event and that the fundamentals, cultural/social, have nothing to do do with it. It is a common leftist theme; as in "our fault".
Antisemitism, for example, isn't triggered because someone was beaten up by a Jewish kid, and white skinheads don't hate blacks for the same reason. It comes from within. One has to blame someone for problems, real or imagined.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:10:38pm |
re: #733 Naso Tang
You are too considerate. The first part in particular assumes that "radicalization" is triggered by a specific event and that the fundamentals, cultural/social, have nothing to do do with it. It is a common leftist theme; as in "our fault"..
No, not at all. I'm assuming a baseline where all the factors you mention are already in play. Then I'm imagining a specific individual, say a boy about 10 years old, whose older brother or father is taken away and imprisoned in Gitmo without word or trial for 6 years or more.
Such an individual will necessarily grow up more inclined to look for 'father figures' 9and thus more vulnerable to the recruiting techniques we KNOW these people use), even more predisposed to have a resentment towards America, and possibly more likely to be turned to the service of violent jihad.
It's at least possible that having some contact with that relative, where the relative says I'm ok and they're treating me well. would help keep others from using that relative's imprisonment to foster hate in the boy. (they have your father and you can't talk to him because they've torn out his tongue, or whatever lies they're spreading.)
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:11:48pm |
re: #731 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that I've seen this sort of thing before. When UV started going ballistic on IW and Jimmah. I moved to defend them. I didn't call UV any names, I just told him to knock it off with the profance attacks. He reacted by attacking me. He jumped to conclusions repeatedly, and earned the reward for that action: the scorn of those who have stayed calm.
Actually, UV first went off on me because i downdinged him upstairs for calling you stupid. He clearly had an issue from the start.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:21:32pm |
Campbell Brown had much the same to say tonight as this guy did.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 18, 2009 8:22:24pm |
re: #736 Linda Mae
I'd like to cordially invite you to bite me.
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Rich H Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:33:18pm |
Thanks for the video link Charles. I had been favoring Fox news over the other news/editorial cable channels. This gives me pause.
I find the Fox ad appalling in its dishonesty. I take some comfort in Mr. Sanchez' passion in rebutting the smear cast against his network. Fox News raised expectations for itself by adopting the "fair and balanced" slogan. It has failed to live up to that standard.
I take some comfort in the hope that the "fair and balanced" gauntlet, so carelessly dropped by Fox News, will be taken up in earnest by that network's competition.
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Dadaist Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:39:48pm |
re: #207 doubter4444
By the way, I'm assuming you saw this (from the comments):
Charles Johnson (whose name by the way is found...
This kind of stuff is completely beyond the pale. What the hell are they thinking? That sort of smear poisons the well. I hope that Charles looks into the possibility of taking a defamation suit. Nobody should have to put up with that sort of lie being circulated about them.
| 742 |
Eclectic Infidel Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:50:43pm |
Controversial threads are good for business - they bring the nutters into the light, giving them a chance to show their true colours, and get blocked for it. Almost like a public service. Sort of. Anyway, it's good to be home.
| 745 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Sep 18, 2009 11:22:58pm |
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spiderx Sat, Sep 19, 2009 12:03:13am |
Several family members of mine get just about all their news from FOX news. They consider it the only place to get fair and balanced news. The other day one of them said to me that Glenn Beck speaks the truth. He agreed with me that Beck is an extremist but then replied "but what he says is true" This came from the same person who voted for Clinton then Gore then Bush. Not exactly a history of being a partisan. But ever since he started watching FOX news he has become very partisan and ideological. I think he may believe that no news station would outright lie so what Glenn Beck says must be true
Trying to have a political discussion with these people is impossible. The other day he says to me "Global warming is bull, there's actually global cooling" Then he says Acorn is getting 8 billion from the stimulus.
Where does he get this? Fox News
| 747 |
flexorick Sat, Sep 19, 2009 7:11:08am |
Tho doest protest too much
I was on my way to Spain 9/12 and was in the USAir lounge on a long layover.
I was on the phone with friends who were in Washington all day.
I got more out of them of course then I did on CNN which seems reasonable but still I had to watch 30 to 40 minutes of “news” before I saw 120 second segments of Washington coverage.
In fact I think they spent more time on the weather then they did the current happenings in Washington.
I didn’t see a thing about it on ABC or MSNBC but that could be because I wasn’t running round trying to determine coverage.
While in Spain I saw nothing on the BBC or CNN during the week.
I saw Rick Sanchez on the way back and saw his rebuke of FOX …I thought to myself “What? all of a sudden the MSM is upset about selective truth”?
Hell, they perfected it.
A little hypocritical of CNN to make demands for apologies because they can point out some coverage biases on a competitor.
Fair and Balanced, Fair and Balanced…Yea right nothing is fair and nothing is balanced.
Get a grip
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flexorick Sat, Sep 19, 2009 7:22:49am |
Seems to me FOX has found and is fostering a market.
There is a lot more irrational thinking going on in the left MSM then there is on the right MSM
It is no surprise that the irrational left loses market to the opposite of irrational thinking.
Especially when they call them stupid, redneck, gun toting, religion loving separatists.
Conservatism is a legitimate form of social construct. There are a lot more Conservatives in America then progressives. If there are not then we are about to see it.
| 749 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:06:38am |
re: #748 flexorick
Seems to me that you are excusing the behavior (by Fox) which Rick Sanchez is criticizing in the video which Charles posted. Sanchez makes more than a strong case for Fox having told a lie. He presents a damning indictment. I'm very strongly conservative, but/and I'm with Sanchez 100% in this.
Yes, Fox has found and is fostering a market, but you are saying that telling lies in the process is perfectly all right.
Since when does the end justify the means? Since when does ... 'but they're doing MORE of it, so don't complain about us' ... justify the telling of a bald-faced lie?
FOAD troll.
| 750 |
drcordell Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:24:22am |
What a fucking joke our nation's press is becoming. Fox launched with the goal of completely politicizing the news, and they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Fox News has just forced CNN to talk about Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, and the Fox sponsored Tea Parties for 10 minutes straight! They goaded CNN into extensively covering the tea party lunacy that did not deserve the coverage it received. God this is sad.
| 751 |
djranger Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:31:36am |
Fox news is definitely no better than the rest. Does that make the rest any better?
| 752 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:37:59am |
re: #751 djranger
Fox news is definitely no better than the rest. Does that make the rest any better?
Of course not.
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Sam N Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:16am |
re: #49 tradewind
That's funny. I heard about this, on of all things, NPR. At least days ago.
| 755 |
jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:14:02am |
re: #754 noodle213
Would you mind 'stopping coming here' some more?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:17:56am |
Now you won't have to worry about coming here any more since you no longer have an account.
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citizen_canuck Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:47:36am |
I'm not sure FOX was implying that CNN didn't cover the 912 as much as it (CNN) tried to make it look like the rally was much smaller and insignificant than it was. Which from what I saw on CNN, they sure did.
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spiderx Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:20:02am |
re: #759 citizen_canuck
I'm not sure FOX was implying that CNN didn't cover the 912 as much as it (CNN) tried to make it look like the rally was much smaller and insignificant than it was. Which from what I saw on CNN, they sure did.
no FOX was lying
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Nemesis6 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:41:06am |
re: #759 citizen_canuck
Problem is, when Fox says something like this, it usually means what it says. The "we didn't mean it like that" is just a weak attempt at damage control. Weak because everyone knows that Fox doesn't give a shit whether it's fair or balanced; The people who watch it will not take criticism anyway, and liberals don't want Fox News, so why should they even bother?
| 762 |
im_gumby_damnit Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:50:29am |
I'd prefer to just get my news as ... well ... news. Straight up. No mixers or chasers. Guess that doesn't sell these days.
I like to listen to the BBC on Sirius, especially when they discuss American politics (with no GOP or Dem spin) or world events (which they cover in depth).
| 763 |
Apprentice Sat, Sep 19, 2009 12:38:10pm |
Fox News has gone downhill ever since Saudi Prince al-Waleed bin Talal bought 5.46% of voting shares in News Corp. and then "boasted in Dubai earlier this week about his ability to change the news content that viewers around the world see on television". Here's a couple of starting points if anyone wants to check further into why Fox News seems to have jumped the shark.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
[Link: howtheychangeyourmind.blogspot.com...]
Somehow I am not at all shocked at Foxs' recent behavior.
| 764 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Sep 19, 2009 1:15:11pm |
re: #734 iceweasel
No, not at all. I'm assuming a baseline where all the factors you mention are already in play. Then I'm imagining a specific individual, say a boy about 10 years old, whose older brother or father is taken away and imprisoned in Gitmo without word or trial for 6 years or more.
Such an individual will necessarily grow up more inclined to look for 'father figures' 9and thus more vulnerable to the recruiting techniques we KNOW these people use), even more predisposed to have a resentment towards America, and possibly more likely to be turned to the service of violent jihad.
It's at least possible that having some contact with that relative, where the relative says I'm ok and they're treating me well. would help keep others from using that relative's imprisonment to foster hate in the boy. (they have your father and you can't talk to him because they've torn out his tongue, or whatever lies they're spreading.)
Still the considerate one. It is just as possible that once daddy gets home he will say that all the stuff on the phone was lies, because they were listening.
Come to think of it, it is also possible there are alien spaceships parked on the other side of the moon.
:=>
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Achilles Tang Sat, Sep 19, 2009 1:23:52pm |
I can't believe the number of Deleted in this thread. Nearly all with less than 10 posts and one must be psychic (or Charles is) since there were zero posts.
Are these all sock puppets? The one called baba-phooey or something rings a bell.
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Flexorick Sat, Sep 19, 2009 1:25:49pm |
WOW!
What would I do without those who can tell me I am wrong?
Why,… they can even say so with words.
Words that even I can understand.
There are places (mainly on the web these days) that truly show an opinion very different and bizarre from my own. Sometimes it takes time to realize the truth that they provide as long as one is willing to take time to listen and give thought.
I count LGF as one of those sites.
But not you Boomer
Tell me again why it is I who need to justify FOX news behavior?.
Seems to me you are projecting your own hatred for different on me.
And I’m the insulting one?
You jest
Perhaps you have been condensed by your Marine Father into a small little man who seeks to triumph over any thing that might wiggle under your massive weight.
Since when does it matter what one says in defense of FOX.
They simply pointed out that on the whole they are the only ones who actually report in a way that informs rather then manipulates in a manipulating sort of way.
What is the harm in that?
WHAT? You know better?
Oh the righteousness of your form of truth!
We should ALL be like you
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