Commentary’s Peter Wehner agrees with me: Glenn Beck: Harmful to the Conservative Movement.
And possibly the craziest show ever to air on Fox News:
Glenn Beck Does the Rockefeller Boogie
For even more evidence of how destructive Beck’s influence is, here’s an LGF search that will bring up all our related articles.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:18:02pm |
Glen Beck Harms the Conservative Movement.
My perspective.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:20:06pm |
Isn't Peter Wehner the guy who played "Robocop"?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:20:32pm |
Glenn Beck Harms the Conservative Movement Global Intellectual Environment
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:21:27pm |
Wehner saved the best line in the whole article for the last:
"At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on."
Well said. It deals with his whackiness and overall tendency to think "out where the buses don't run" without having to provide much more than passing reference to the guy's more bizarre rants.
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Kragar Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:21:27pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:22:27pm |
I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American “imperialism.”
I wouldn't be surprised to hear beck ranting about support for Israel being responsible for our issues with the middle east soon.
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That's Glenn Beck to you Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:23:25pm |
I have done wonders for the conservative movement -
Before me there were people who called themselves "conservative" that didn't:
1) hold a prayer vigil each time they buried a coffee can full of gold coins in their back yards;
2) appreciate how good I look in a Stasi uniform;
3) accept man-crying from Republicans;
4) buy my books.
All of those people are now RINOs!
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Kragar Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:23:32pm |
As long as Beck can pull a crowd, he'll keep it up and damn the consequences for anyone else.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:23:50pm |
At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.
Beck is the anti-Buckley.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:24:30pm |
I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American “imperialism.” (He is now talking about pulling troops out of Afghanistan, South Korea, Germany, and elsewhere.)
Should be more than enough evidence that Glenn Beck is not, was not, and never will be our friend nor ally. Does not Pat Buchanan also hold a similar position on American "imperialism" and our troops?
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Danny Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:24:46pm |
I assume you cashed the check for the Glenn Beck ad already?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:25:01pm |
re: #6 Sharmuta
I wouldn't be surprised to hear beck ranting about support for Israel being responsible for our issues with the middle east soon.
I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:25:44pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?
I would expect him to take a similar tact as Pat Buchanan.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:26:14pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
He's beginning to embrace ron paul's isolationist rhetoric. How much further behind can blaming Israel for our problems be?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:26:41pm |
re: #11 Danny
I assume you cashed the check for the Glenn Beck ad already?
I think this post might have been in response to the ad.
Make money from your enemies kind of thing.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:27:52pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
He's beginning to embrace ron paul's isolationist rhetoric. How much further behind can blaming Israel for our problems be?
I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised, but not being a Beck-watcher, I just don't know what his track record on the subject is.
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John Neverbend Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:28:53pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?
If you look on the web, you'll find that most if not all of what he's said on Israel was positive.
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Kragar Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:29:24pm |
Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal
Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the "nuclear posture review" as being too timid, and has called for a range of more far-reaching options consistent with his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.
Those options include:• Reconfiguring the US nuclear force to allow for an arsenal measured in hundreds rather than thousands of deployed strategic warheads.
• Redrafting nuclear doctrine to narrow the range of conditions under which the US would use nuclear weapons.
• Exploring ways of guaranteeing the future reliability of nuclear weapons without testing or producing a new generation of warheads.
The review is due to be completed by the end of this year, and European officials say the outcome is not yet clear. But one official said: "Obama is now driving this process. He is saying these are the president's weapons, and he wants to look again at the doctrine and their role."
The move comes as Obama prepares to take the rare step of chairing a watershed session of the UN security council on Thursday. It is aimed at winning consensus on a new grand bargain: exchanging more radical disarmament by nuclear powers in return for wider global efforts to prevent further proliferation.
"OK, we've gotten rid of our nukes so now everyone else will too and they'll like us now, right?"
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Summer Seale Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:29:47pm |
To me, there isn't an actual Conservative movement until somebody at the top takes charge and throws out all these crazy Glenn Beck types in a very public and humiliating way.
Until then, they're just a wacko movement.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:30:12pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?
He has given tacit support for Israel in the past. He's taking on a more isolationist/Ron Paul oriented foreign policy. The Paulians have been crowing about this recent Beck rant...
Glenn Beck wants a time machine to rethink Ron Paul
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Chekote Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:30:21pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:30:22pm |
Interesting. From "Israel Insider", February 2007:
Pro-Israel critics of the media, and particularly of CNN, should check out "The Glenn Beck Program" to give their high blood pressure a respite.
Beck, 42 and host of what is considered the fastest-growing TV show in cable news, can make Bibi Netanyahu look like a dove. The baby-faced former Top 40 radio disc jockey has been known to describe Saudi Arabian leaders as "nut jobs" and "dirt bags" and says that if America doesn't support and protect Israel, "we will lose our only strategic ally in the Mideast and we will lose our souls."
Yes, Beck, an admitted former alcoholic and drug addict, is now a devout Christian who believes in an Armageddon in which millions will die. He also believes in God's love for Israel, and he is not shy about discussing his own support for the Jewish state on his hour-long show that airs nightly at 7 p.m. on CNN Headline News, perhaps positioned to counter the success of Fox's right-wing programming.
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SummerSong Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:30:30pm |
Watching now -Glenn Beck Israel 5-18-09
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:30:58pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:31:52pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal
"OK, we've gotten rid of our nukes so now everyone else will too and they'll like us now, right?"
We are not getting rid of all of our nukes.
What a lot of people do not get about our nuclear arsenal is the need to service the weapons, to recharge heavy water cells etc... It is insanely expensive to keep more than you need operational. We have thousands of them. Hundreds are more than sufficient to wipe out all of our enemies should we choose to go for armegeddon.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:32:36pm |
At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.
Amen.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:33:03pm |
re: #22 Occasional Reader
That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:33:10pm |
At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.
Mr Wehner makes a great point here, imo, but is assuming the right wing wants to be reasoned instead of erratic. At this point, it doesn't seem to me to be what the right is interested in. Rather they're more interested in demonizing the few who think we should aim for intellectual depth, etc. There's something very wrong going on with right wing politics when a person saying, "Settel down a moment and think about this rationally," gets called a "RINO!" Like with a screaming, spoiled toddler, I think the hissy fit might have to work itself out before the right is ready to hear reason.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:33:11pm |
re: #22 Occasional Reader
Interesting. From "Israel Insider", February 2007:
Oy... we need such friends why?
It is precisely some shit like Beck who will make the Pali propagandists seem reasonable to the middle.
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Chekote Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:33:54pm |
Beck's show has changed. Initially, he was more about terrorism (At CNN) and talk about bailouts. But he has gotten increasing paranoid as his popularity has risen. He has made the calculation to cater to a particular segment: the loonies on the right.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:34:49pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement
Oh, shit.
WHO TALKED?
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:35:30pm |
re: #22 Occasional Reader
I didn't say he has said anything about Israel being the source of American middle east issues, just that I wouldn't be surprised if he goes there in the future.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:35:50pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
Oy... we need such friends why?
Whoa there. I was not saying "we need such friends", just seeking an answer to my own question re: Beck's past positions on Israel.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:36:34pm |
re: #13 Honorary Yooper
I would expect him to take a similar tact as Pat Buchanan.
TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".
sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.
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Sue62 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:36:53pm |
I was a daily visitor for a long, long time and then I became ill and for almost l8 months haven't been able to visit all my usual sites. I am here today because in visiting a site, they mentioned something about LGF and their being ostracized due to their position? I didn't have time to do much...still trying to gain strength back. What has happened? Although I disagree with your Glen Beck position, that is not extreme. What has happened that would cause this?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:37:00pm |
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:37:15pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Internecine warfare among the nut-trees? What on earth shall we do?
(Besides point and laugh?)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:37:20pm |
re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote
We have thousands of them. Hundreds are more than sufficient
That's fine, as long as the surplus ones get handed over to the "Mythbusters" guys to use on their show.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:37:39pm |
re: #30 Chekote
Beck's show has changed. Initially, he was more about terrorism (At CNN) and talk about bailouts. But he has gotten increasing paranoid as his popularity has risen. He has made the calculation to cater to a particular segment: the loonies on the right.
Paranoia draws viewers.
I've mentioned before that a number of avowedly Liberal coworkers get together the day after one of Beck's shows to guffaw over the sideshow they all watched.
And there are those who share the paranoia, whether Beck's is genuine or not. They are far creepier.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:38:10pm |
re: #34 reine.de.tout
TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.
Thanks.
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Kragar Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:38:28pm |
Again with the flounce! Just leave. No one is forcing you to come here.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:38:52pm |
re: #34 reine.de.tout
TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.
For all intensive purposes, I completely understand your reaction.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:39:18pm |
re: #37 Gordan the Fisherman
Gordan the Fisherman
Karma: 94
Registered since: Dec 24, 2006 at 1:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 283
No. of links posted: 6
That's a lame ass flounce. No snarky comment, no insults?
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Sue62 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:39:35pm |
Sharmutta: please note my previous comment...where are these extreme right wing websites...No, not Duke or the KKK for those you and others here talk about? I have been following Obama and I think we on the other side of him seem more willing to eat our own. Funny thing that...
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:39:46pm |
re: #34 reine.de.tout
TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.
No, no! You are right!
You were just exercising one of your pet peeves, because it's been in the kennel, pawing at the door and begging for an outing!
And I agree!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:40:24pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.
Maybe Ron Paul and Alex Jones can go head to head with Glenn Beck and knock each other out.
Oh, how I wish.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:40:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:40:53pm |
Flounce away, little flouncer.
I'll also delete the other accounts you registered. No need to thank me.
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:41:23pm |
Two flouncers already.
Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.
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drogheda Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:41:34pm |
re: #48 Honorary Yooper
Maybe Ron Paul and Alex Jones can go head to head with Glenn Beck and knock each other out.
Oh, how I wish.
Cage match? Or just put them in a padded room together?
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:41:50pm |
There's apparently a big bruhaha online because I dude wore a F*CK Glen Beck shirt while playing tennis in NYC.
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:41:59pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.
I actually think this was due to Beck's parting of ways with Monsieur Jones on the FEMA camp stuff, when Beck refuted it at the end of his "expose". Alex is not over this and is furious at Beck.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:42:08pm |
re: #46 Sue62
Why are you specifically asking me this question?
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Kragar Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:42:19pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society?
Because he is full of shit
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:42:31pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
Two flouncers already.
Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.
Because he wants to stay on Fox.
Certain cabals are more powerful than other cabals.
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:42:44pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:42:44pm |
re: #44 Occasional Reader
For all intensive purposes, I completely understand your reaction.
Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:43:22pm |
re: #58 Ben Hur
Because he wants to stay on Fox.
Certain cabals are more powerful than other cabals.
Fox isn't cabal, it's broadcast, dummy.
/
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:43:26pm |
re: #60 reine.de.tout
Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.
For all intents and purposes.
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filetandrelease Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:44:00pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?
In the past he was an avid supporter. I used to listen to him just after 9/11. He was local and intellectially curious. He blew a fuse somewhere along the way.
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:44:04pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
Two flouncers already.
Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.
I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:44:06pm |
re: #60 reine.de.tout
Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.
Only one nerve, per se
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:44:36pm |
re: #61 middy
What's a flouncer?
It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:44:53pm |
re: #65 Pianobuff
I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.
Like LaRouche? Or just a guy who likes his guns and such? 'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes that seem to come with that side of things.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:45:38pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:45:40pm |
re: #65 Pianobuff
I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.
I consider Ron Paul a Libertarian as well. Even though he's technically a Republican. Not unlike Bob Barr who ran under the Libertarian banner in '08 -- he was a "Republican" as well.
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drcordell Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:45:52pm |
re: #64 filetandrelease
In the past he was an avid supporter. I used to listen to him just after 9/11. He was local and intellectially curious. He blew a fuse somewhere along the way.
He is both "intellectially" curious, and a hater of "oligarhy"
/
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:46:12pm |
re: #68 Guanxi88
'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes
The lawyers and money?
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:46:21pm |
re: #68 Guanxi88
Like LaRouche? Or just a guy who likes his guns and such? 'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes that seem to come with that side of things.
God only knows what "kind" of Libertarian he is (other than the kind that makes a lot of money). I think of him as the whoopie cushion on the Windsor chair.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:47:00pm |
I think it's odd that the Left in this country has to rely on Pacifica (Lord help us!) or AirAmerica (which was replaced, in this market, by the Mexican pop music station whose time it bought previously) to have comparable whackiness demonstrated, but Beck, well, he's on a major cable network, and can actually make a buck with his nuttiness.
Do we just have standards that low?
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Locker Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:47:26pm |
re: #67 Ben Hur
It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.
Nice Conan nod.
The riddle of steel.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:47:38pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:48:06pm |
re: #46 Sue62
Sharmutta: please note my previous comment...where are these extreme right wing websites...No, not Duke or the KKK for those you and others here talk about? I have been following Obama and I think we on the other side of him seem more willing to eat our own. Funny thing that...
I thought you just said you hadn't been here for 18 months.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:48:11pm |
re: #61 middy
What's a flouncer?
Basically, a lizard that complains about the way that Charles is running the blog and how it's not the way it was when they joined and then goes on to say that they simply cannot hang around any longer. Usually includes an overly dramatic farewell.
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filetandrelease Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:48:19pm |
re: #72 drcordell
He is both "intellectially" curious, and a hater of "oligarhy"
/
That phrase certainly takes on a new meaning today. In the early days when he was actually learning as he went, he was interesting to listen to.
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J.S. Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:48:45pm |
re: #12 Occasional Reader
Some time ago, when he was on CNN Headline News, he openly supported Israel...(since he's been on FOX, I haven't seen his program).
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starsfan914 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:49:03pm |
If it wasn't for Beck investigating the "Czars" and exposing Van Jones similar characters then who would have?
I don't think Beck harms the conservative movement--he is not the "leader" of the movement or the GOP. He's an opinionated TV/Radio personality. I do not agree with some of his opinions but I believe it is good to have different people investigating and following the activities of the government. As long as the stories are "fact checked" before they are aired then I believe it is a good thing.
One good thing about not having a "conservative leader" present now is that the current administration has fewer and fewer people to attack and blame. It is always easy to attack the messenger (Limbaugh, Cheney, Beck, Palin, etc.) than it is to attack the message. So if valid concerns are raised by a variety of individuals how long can the current administration (and MSM) keep attacking the messenger (other than going to the default "racisim" defense)?
As long as Beck and a few others are around the Left can focus their attack on him personally.
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John Neverbend Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:49:25pm |
re: #67 Ben Hur
It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.
Some definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary:
1. To go with agitated, clumsy or violent motion.
2. To make abrupt and jerky movements with the limbs or body. Usually said of bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:49:28pm |
re: #78 Charles
I thought you just said you hadn't been here for 18 months.
I read that as a typo (an "l" rather than a "1") - and thought she meant 8 months? Which makes it even more confusing, I guess.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:50:20pm |
re: #83 John Neverbend
Some definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary:
1. To go with agitated, clumsy or violent motion.
2. To make abrupt and jerky movements with the limbs or body. Usually said of bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:51:20pm |
re: #85 Ben Hur
I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.
Not for long, though.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:51:50pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:51:54pm |
re: #82 starsfan914
I do not agree with some of his opinions but I believe it is good to have different people investigating and following the activities of the government.
The problem is, as someone once observed, if you mix one quart of vanilla ice cream with one quart of dog crap, the result ends up tasting a lot more like the latter than the former. I agree that Beck was much more right than wrong on, say, Van Jones. But he mixes in what should be valid criticism of this Administration, with outright kookery; and I think it winds up doing more harm than good to those who have valid concerns about where we are headed.
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:52:28pm |
re: #82 starsfan914
How can you say that Beck plays no role as a conservative "leader" while at the same time saying "As long as Beck and a few others are around the Left can focus their attack on him personally." If he weren't a leader of sorts then the attack by the Left would be irrelevant. No? And if he weren't a "leader" why the emphasis on the administration, ACORN, Van Jones, et al?
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:52:51pm |
re: #60 reine.de.tout
Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.
C'mon, this is doggy-dog world. If you can't stand the heat . . . :)
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John Neverbend Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:53:07pm |
re: #85 Ben Hur
I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.
Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:06pm |
re: #82 starsfan914
One good thing about not having a "conservative leader" present now is that the current administration has fewer and fewer people to attack and blame.
That's pretty short sighted. One, it means the media and left can aasign de facto leaders to the right, and then attack them like they're actually are doing with Beck and Palin. Also- it means conservatives have no one to rally them, no clear message to support, no agenda or policy goals to achieve.
We're a rudderless ship, and you think that's a good thing?
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drcordell Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:10pm |
re: #80 filetandrelease
That phrase certainly takes on a new meaning today. In the early days when he was actually learning as he went, he was interesting to listen to.
Beck is interested in one thing, and one thing only. Making money. The man's about as ideologically rigid as a weather-vane. Whichever way the winds are blowing, he's sure to follow.
Just today someone unearthed these gems from the previous incarnation of his show on CNN. Transcript
The “REAL STORY” is the $700 billion that you`re hearing about now is not only, I believe, necessary, it is also not nearly enough, and all of the weasels in Washington know it.
This is of course, when Bush was still President and Beck was carrying his water like a good little boy. Now that the bailout is Obama's barrel of fish, I think you know where he stands.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:19pm |
re: #82 starsfan914
12 comments in 2 years. Very taciturn, sir.
"I should tell you right up front that I'm a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. I distrust a close-mouthed man, sir. He generally says the wrong thing at the wrong time. Talking's a thing that can't be done judiciously without practice." Caspar Gutman.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:31pm |
re: #91 John Neverbend
Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
I always think of a flounce as something that belongs on a skirt.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:42pm |
re: #78 Charles
Interesting she doesn't seem to want to clarify herself.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:54:46pm |
re: #91 John Neverbend
Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
So "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" was pretty much a Flounce El Grande?
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:55:16pm |
re: #91 John Neverbend
Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.
"Aquatic animals" meaning not "fish" or a "chicks in cult", I presume.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:55:22pm |
re: #98 CyanSnowHawk
So "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" was pretty much a Flounce El Grande?
Yep, came with guacamole and pico de gallo.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:55:53pm |
re: #95 Guanxi88
12 comments in 2 years. Very taciturn, sir.
"I should tell you right up front that I'm a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. I distrust a close-mouthed man, sir. He generally says the wrong thing at the wrong time. Talking's a thing that can't be done judiciously without practice." Caspar Gutman.
My avatar thanks you.
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:56:38pm |
GOP Surrenders to Beck’s Mob Rule
Commentary
When Glenn Beck made his Fox debut, some shrewd conservatives responded with a wink. Maybe the show was paranoid and hysterical. Maybe Beck was none too scrupulous about facts and truth. But why be squeamish? The other side did as bad, or nearly. And see how usefully he mobilized the base!
Those shrewd conservatives assumed Beck was working for them. Big mistake. Beck is working for himself – and he chooses his targets according to his own scheme of priorities.
The newest target is Cass Sunstein, confirmed yesterday by the Senate as director of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs within the Office of Management and Budget.
For more about Sunstein, see Tim Mak’s adjoining report. Bottom line: For those who champion free competitive markets, Cass Sunstein is about the best possible choice to be hoped for from a Democratic administration.
(continues)
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John Neverbend Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:56:50pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:56:53pm |
re: #101 SixDegrees
His portrayal of Gutman steals the whole film, and everyone knows it.
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Jack Burton Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:57:47pm |
re: #55 Pianobuff
I actually think this was due to Beck's parting of ways with Monsieur Jones on the FEMA camp stuff, when Beck refuted it at the end of his "expose". Alex is not over this and is furious at Beck.
Bingo. The video I posted with the nutty Mancow interview included Alex Jones ranting about how Beck was running a psi-op to discredit "The Patriot movement" and spent a good deal of time ranting about Beck going to a 'fake' FEMA camp (LOL) to prove they didn't exist.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:58:01pm |
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Russkilitlover Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:58:39pm |
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:19pm |
Random thought of the day:
If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.
Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:20pm |
re: #104 Guanxi88
His portrayal of Gutman steals the whole film, and everyone knows it.
Bogie's not too shabby. But I agree that the camera loves Greenstreet, and he steals every scene he's featured in.
A bygone era, when screenwriters actually wrote dialog worth paying attention to.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:24pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
The New Year brings good things
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:28pm |
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briano Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:33pm |
ug, Glenn Beck is the reason I vote for Republicans in shame. I can't see myself ever agreeing with the Democrats on economic policies but frankly, when it comes to government, I will vote based on economic ideas over social ideas every time, or at least their historical professed ideas.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:40pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
Excellent! Wonderful! Congratulations!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 1:59:59pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
Congrats Russkilt!
/drinks are on you, naturally, what with that salary and all
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:00:07pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
Congratulations!
So you'll be buying a round for the house, no?
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Jack Burton Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:00:51pm |
re: #97 Sharmuta
Interesting she doesn't seem to want to clarify herself.
Usually when people misspell your name the way she did, I assume they are a sockpuppet from the Village of the Banned.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:00:58pm |
re: #82 starsfan914
You really think it's a "good thing" there is no conservative leader right now, to reign in the nutballs and chart a rational course?
Without a leader who can draw everyone together, there will be more and more division and "in-fighting".
Without a leader who can chart a rational course conservatives, we become more and more marginalized as the nutcases with a podium become viewed as the "voice" of conservatives.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:01:15pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
OT but I can't hold it in.
I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!
In honor of your good news, a little Talking Heads:
Found a Job:
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:01:40pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Random thought of the day:
If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.
Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.
Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:01:43pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
You could also find a second career working for the French customs agency, who seem almost entirely concerned with seizing fake French luxury knockoffs (from what I could tell by the posted warnings at CDG airport).
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Athos Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:02:25pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
I consider Ron Paul a Libertarian as well. Even though he's technically a Republican. Not unlike Bob Barr who ran under the Libertarian banner in '08 -- he was a "Republican" as well.
Paul and Beck are 'Republicans' only because as members of a fringe party they will do / achieve nothing really other than being part of the fringe. The 'R' provides them with a semblance of respectability that doesn't exist on the fringe.
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drcordell Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:02:25pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Random thought of the day:
If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.
Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.
Get this... the classic LV print bags aren't even made of leather. They're synthetic, even the real ones sold by Louis Vuitton. Could hardly believe it when one of my female friends told me, but it's true.
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debutaunt Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:02:29pm |
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drcordell Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:02:59pm |
re: #120 reine.de.tout
Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.
Beat me to it, but yeah they're definitely some sort of plastic coated canvas.
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Pianobuff Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:03:23pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Random thought of the day:
If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.
Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.
Sort of a depraved Stuart Smalley kind of thought. I like it.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:03:31pm |
re: #107 Russkilitlover
In that case I'll have an import beer instead of the usual!;-)
Congrats!!!
2 miles?
You could walk to work ...Global warming and all!!!
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Achilles Tang Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:04:29pm |
Let us not forget Hannity when talking of Beck, as if the latter is an anomaly.
I saw a bit of him recently and had to look up a few facts after it became clear in a few seconds that Hannity had none.
Hannity stumbles upon cause of west side water issues
Read and weep, as Charles might have said.
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zuckerlilly Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:04:46pm |
Hi Charles,
first, please, let me say why I write this on this thread instead answering “Cato the Elder” here:
1. I know you don’t like postings after a thread is more or less closed or more than one day old. I understand that this makes a lot more of work for you to check all the “old threads” for insulting postings. I couldn't’t answer the postings directed at me yesterday because in the house where I stay currently we had problems with electricity as well with the internet connection which were only solved in the morning. And today I had other things to do, I'm not only on vacation here but also for my work.
2. I don’t want to disturb your comment section. I’m not used to insulting postings which address me personally. To answer my posting with words like “Bullenscheisse” (a word, that is never used in German) or to address me with the words “ So I’m calling you out. Fact-checking your ass”. This wouldn’t be a problem if he hadn’t written:“This is where I'm going to call bullshit without waiting to hear back from my German friends.” So he is calling my posting “bullshit” without knowing anything about health care reforms in Germany in the last nearly two decades.
This is not the stile I’m used to discuss a subject, sorry and I answered him in German a) not to disturbing the thread and b) HE started to use inadequate German words to address me and my posting.
But now to the facts:
The German health care system has changed dramatically in the last nearly two decades because of skyrocketing costs. It started in 1989 followed by a reform in 1992 (“Gesundheitsstrukturgesetz”) which included for the first time a limited budget for pharmaceuticals and other means/therapies to cure a disease.
[Link: bundesrecht.juris.de...] (go to “Artikel 29")
What does “Artikel 29" say? If all the German physicians together exceed the conceded (or prescribed) budget (conceded by the government) they have to pay back the money out of their own pockets. As agency was their own medical association named (“Kassenärztliche Bundesvereinigung”).
Two more reforms took place in 1996 and 1997. The reform of 1997 introduced the “Praxisbudget” a prescription for every medical praxis and a “Richtgrössen-Regress - Kollektivhaftung bei Budgetueberschreitungen”)
[Link: www.aerzteblatt.de...]
In 2000 again a reform took place (“2000 GKV-Gesundheitsreform”) with a budget restriction for medical fees, pharmaceuticals and other means/therapies to cure diseases and with a lowered recourse receivable for budget overrun (Richtgroessen-Regress - Kollektivhaftung bei Budgetueberschreitungen).
In 2001 anew the bill was changed: “Arzneimittelbudget-Abloesungsgesetz”. Now a physician who exceeded his “Richtwert” (no longer named budget) more than 25 per cent had to pay back the overrun out of her/his own pocket and the “Kollektivhaftung fuer Budegetueberschreitung” was canceled.
And guess what, Charles? In 2002 two reforms took place: “Arzneimittelausgaben-Begrenzungsgesetz - AABG” which limited again the costs (budget) for pharmaceuticals etc. and the “Beitragssicherungsgesetz - BSSichG” which again brought in a restriction for the budget of medical fees.
Fine, the year of 2003 came along with another reform - “Gesetz zur Modernisierung der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung “GKV Modernisierungsgesetz GMG”“ with a lot restrictions but not directly related to my posting.
The reform of 2004 brought a lot of other restrictions for patients but nor related to my posting.
--> to be continued
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:05:05pm |
re: #125 drcordell
Beat me to it, but yeah they're definitely some sort of plastic coated canvas.
I also have this funny idea that bags are supposed to protect what's inside them from the elements... not require protection themselves. Hence, I'm always puzzled by highly "finished" bags.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:05:10pm |
re: #120 reine.de.tout
Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.
Some of them are supposedly leather - but see the other replies. The most common ones are coated canvas with leather-looking trim.
Nothing like paying $1,000-plus for status-y Naugahyde.
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Chekote Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:05:21pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
Great minds think alike. I posted this link on #21. How do you show titles? Still learning.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:05:31pm |
re: #117 ArchangelMichael
Seems she's logged out, so we won't be getting that clarification.
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zuckerlilly Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:06:25pm |
--> continued
The “Gesundheitsreform of 2007" (legally binding since 2009)
[Link: www.bgblportal.de...] (although the headline sounds otherwise it IS the proper link)
brought the “flat rate per case”. But if a physician exceeds the “flat rate per case” (e.g. if a patient needs more than one therapy because the first or second didn’t work) the physician gets less and less money for the second or third therapy. What does this say? The physician has to pay the therapy out of her/his pocket.
Now to the accusation of “Cato the Elder” I would sound like a “propagandist”. For what reason and what could be my goal? I’m not interested in your USA-health care reform and I haven’t read it and I’m an Austrian writing about German health care reforms. What could I gain out of the “propaganda”? If (!) - but I’m not - were a cynical European then I would hope and do anything we can do from Europe that your president Obama will be successful with his reform. Guess why? The competition between Europe and the USA would be more fair. Nowadays we in Europe have much higher non-wage-labor costs and less economic freedom than you in the USA. This will presumably change a bit if the Obama-reform succeeds and competition would become more fair. But it is NOT an Austrian/German/European decision - it is a decision of the people of the USA. Charles, only for information: not a single health care system in Europe works and this is an ongoing issue in Europe.
At least a link about German physicians working in other countries because they don’t earn enough money for a living:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]
And here two youtube links of a German documentation about “physician in Germany”
Charles go on with your good work,
best regards
zuckerlilly
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:06:34pm |
re: #120 reine.de.tout
Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.
Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?
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wrenchwench Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:07:08pm |
re: #133 Sharmuta
Seems she's logged out, so we won't be getting that clarification.
A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:07:13pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:08:00pm |
re: #132 Chekote
Great minds think alike. I posted this link on #21. How do you show titles? Still learning.
Titles?
You can copy and paste or type out the title.
Copy the URL for the link you want to use.
Go back to this window and highlight the title with your mouse.
Keeping it highlighted you click the button on the top right here with the two chain-links and past the URL and click OK.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:08:11pm |
re: #131 Cato the Elder
Some of them are supposedly leather - but see the other replies. The most common ones are coated canvas with leather-looking trim.
Nothing like paying $1,000-plus for status-y Naugahyde.
I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.
But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:08:26pm |
re: #135 Dianna
Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?
Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:08:40pm |
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Lee Coller Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:09:03pm |
re: #136 wrenchwench
A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...
She's logged in now. (we're talking about Sue62 right)?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:09:03pm |
re: #139 Dianna
I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.
But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.
They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.
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Chekote Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:09:13pm |
re: #138 Gus 802
Thanks. I will go to a dead thread and try it out.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:09:51pm |
re: #136 wrenchwench
A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...
True and true. But specifically asking me these questions makes me highly suspicious, as it would if she'd targeted Killgore.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:10:37pm |
re: #143 Cato the Elder
They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.
Yeah, right.
Admit it: You're gay.
/just harking back to an earlier thread
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:10:45pm |
re: #142 Lee Coller
She's logged in now. (we're talking about Sue62 right)?
She's not- click on her football.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:11:28pm |
re: #135 Dianna
Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?
No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.
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Lee Coller Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:11:33pm |
re: #147 Sharmuta
She's not- click on her football.
She shows up on the user list at the bottom of the comments section.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:11:53pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers.
Bizarre. You'd think people would beat down the doors for something like that (although for me, as noted above, it's not my thing, at least as luggage goes).
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:10pm |
re: #135 Dianna
Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:14pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.
Screw that approach. What you need to do is give a few away to carefully selected celebrities. Once someone snaps a pic of Paris Hilton throwing up into one of your handbags, you're on Easy Street.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:25pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.
You need to get some celebrity endorsement.
Like if you could convince Oprah (bad example but the only one I could come up with) to say that anyone reading the book she recommends should carry it around in a real, vegetable-tanned, American made, leather bag, your sales would go through the roof.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:35pm |
re: #130 Occasional Reader
I also have this funny idea that bags are supposed to protect what's inside them from the elements... not require protection themselves. Hence, I'm always puzzled by highly "finished" bags.
Nah. A bag is just a convenient place to stash...everything. I should know.
I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase. When my shoulder threatens to never work again, I'll go into "bag so tiny I can barely get my fingers into it" phase; I'll recover from that one when I can't get my phone out...
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wrenchwench Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:42pm |
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mich-again Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:57pm |
And I see today that the other McCain is cozying up with Baron Bodisey from the Gates of Vienna and even reprinting his love letters from the Baron.
But it would be even better if the fallout of the 2007 Brussels conference -- in which he egregiously slandered the Sweden Democrats and Vlaams Belang -- were prominently rehashed.
Those people are my friends, and I would like to see their names publicly cleared in the American blogosphere. Better late than never.
To which RSM ponders..
And I'm becoming seriously interested in investigating the activities of these European parties for myself.How much is a ticket to Brussels? Everybody hit the tip jar!
Go right ahead RSM, and pimp for Vlaams Belang and pretend there are no ties to the neo-Nazis in Europe. Go do your research in Brussels and get back with us when you want to make your case. Fool.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:12:59pm |
re: #149 Lee Coller
She shows up on the user list at the bottom of the comments section.
And I believe there is a delay on that list. Click her football and it doesn't show the "logged in" note.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:00pm |
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debutaunt Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:03pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Random thought of the day:
If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.
Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.
"It's a genuine Louie Vatoon."
-T. Soprano
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:03pm |
re: #151 Guanxi88
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?
Heh-heh.
It's a secret plot. The celebs have to keep buying things that are more and more expensive to stay ahead, and one day they will all be broke.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:11pm |
re: #139 Dianna
I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.
But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.
If you have to ask, you can't afford them.
/
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:22pm |
re: #150 Occasional Reader
Bizarre. You'd think people would beat down the doors for something like that (although for me, as noted above, it's not my thing, at least as luggage goes).
I see the retailers' point, of course - they need reliable supply, large quantities, and they need it dirt-cheap. Sadly, customers are not well-educated on these things, and so they don't know that what they really want and need they can't get from coated canvas, irrespective of the name stamped on it.
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Locker Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:13:59pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.
You are probably right to assume the vast majority of LV you see is fake.
[Link:wikipedia.org... ]
Louis Vuitton is one of the most counterfeited brands in the fashion world due to its image as a status symbol. Only a small fraction of products bearing the LV initials in the general population are authentic. Ironically, the signature Monogram Canvas was created to prevent counterfeiting.[6] In 2004, Louis Vuitton fakes accounted for 18% of counterfeit accessories seized in the European Union.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:14:04pm |
re: #143 Cato the Elder
They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.
Wow! That's pretty ridiculous.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:14:56pm |
re: #154 Dianna
Nah. A bag is just a convenient place to stash...everything. I should know.
I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase. When my shoulder threatens to never work again, I'll go into "bag so tiny I can barely get my fingers into it" phase; I'll recover from that one when I can't get my phone out...
I'm in a "I want to carry a smaller bag but always find myself with a large one because everything ends up in there" phase.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:15:48pm |
re: #151 Guanxi88
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point
I agree, up to a point. I am fully in favor of mass-produced TRUE "luxuries" being available widely and cheaply. That is, high-quality goods and services. And one of the wonders of the free market economy is its ability to produce and distribute "luxuries" on such a huge scale.
But I agree that mass-market luxury BRANDING is kind of odd.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:16:11pm |
re: #152 SixDegrees
re: #153 Kosh's Shadow
GMTA. Time to pull out my rolodex and see who'd be willing to take an unsolicited gift.
Gotta think, who's a leader in fashion, upon whose judgment so many others rely, and who'd be willing to take my stuff?
Oprah? Doubt it, and I imagine her staffers are swamped with rejected stuff anyway.
Michelle Obama? Stuff's not weird enough.
Maybe the Bush family ladies? I think I have an idea...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:17:06pm |
re: #162 Guanxi88
I see the retailers' point, of course - they need reliable supply, large quantities, and they need it dirt-cheap. Sadly, customers are not well-educated on these things, and so they don't know that what they really want and need they can't get from coated canvas, irrespective of the name stamped on it.
Awhile back, I checked out your webpage and the bags there.
The challenge is that where I live, it rains so often and so much and sometimes, unexpectedly - an every-day leather bag can be spotted up and ruined quickly.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:17:36pm |
re: #154 Dianna
I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase.
Understandable, you need all that room for your spare mags.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:18:20pm |
re: #168 reine.de.tout
Yeah, that's the thing about leather - ya gotta care for it, and it aint' perfect (especially veg-tanned) for everyday use. Oil-tanned would be, but it's gotta an oily hand that a lot of ladies don't dig.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:18:22pm |
re: #151 Guanxi88
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?
Tommy Hilfiger is the best example.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:18:44pm |
re: #168 reine.de.tout
it rains so often and so much and sometimes, unexpectedly - an every-day leather bag can be spotted up and ruined quickly.
Exactly my point (above). I want my bag/luggage to work for me, not vice versa. Even if it's not as pretty as others.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:19:01pm |
re: #166 Occasional Reader
I agree, up to a point. I am fully in favor of mass-produced TRUE "luxuries" being available widely and cheaply. That is, high-quality goods and services. And one of the wonders of the free market economy is its ability to produce and distribute "luxuries" on such a huge scale.
But I agree that mass-market luxury BRANDING is kind of odd.
There are so many things that are luxuries when we compare ourselves to the rest of the world, that are considered "necessities" here.
The latest cell phone
a home computer
a laptop computer
huge HD television sets
iPod
the list goes on and on.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:19:19pm |
re: #167 Guanxi88
re: #153 Kosh's Shadow
GMTA. Time to pull out my rolodex and see who'd be willing to take an unsolicited gift.
Gotta think, who's a leader in fashion, upon whose judgment so many others rely, and who'd be willing to take my stuff?
Oprah? Doubt it, and I imagine her staffers are swamped with rejected stuff anyway.
Michelle Obama? Stuff's not weird enough.
Maybe the Bush family ladies? I think I have an idea...
Well, Guanix88 suggested Paris Hilton, and I thought her cell phoneinformation was hacked a while ago.
//
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:19:31pm |
re: #172 Occasional Reader
Exactly my point (above). I want my bag/luggage to work for me, not vice versa. Even if it's not as pretty as others.
You have a Jack Bauer bag, don't you?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:10pm |
re: #171 Ben Hur
Tommy Hilfiger is the best example.
One which also illustrates the sociologically fascinating, and uniquely American, "ghetto fabulous" pheonomenon.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:18pm |
re: #173 reine.de.tout
There are so many things that are luxuries when we compare ourselves to the rest of the world, that are considered "necessities" here.
The latest cell phone
a home computer
a laptop computer
huge HD television sets
iPod
the list goes on and on.
Funny thing is, the "poor" in America have many of those things
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:21pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.
Do you do briefcases?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:30pm |
re: #156 mich-again
And I see today that the other McCain is cozying up with Baron Bodisey from the Gates of Vienna and even reprinting his love letters from the Baron.
Go right ahead RSM, and pimp for Vlaams Belang and pretend there are no ties to the neo-Nazis in Europe. Go do your research in Brussels and get back with us when you want to make your case. Fool.
He's not a fool - he's a racist and a white supremacist and he's very consciously trying to promote European fascist groups in the right wing blogosphere.
With the current climate, he may have some success.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:57pm |
re: #176 Occasional Reader
One which also illustrates the sociologically fascinating, and uniquely American, "ghetto fabulous" pheonomenon.
Exactly my point.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:21:03pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:21:24pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
LOL!
They're "coated canvas" with leather trim! They're not even leather!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:21:28pm |
re: #178 Creeping Eruption
Do you do briefcases?
My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:21:32pm |
re: #175 Ben Hur
You have a Jack Bauer bag, don't you?
A feller could have himself a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:21:40pm |
re: #151 Guanxi88
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?
I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:22:16pm |
re: #185 Creeping Eruption
I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.
Not a Walden, is it? I covet those, and have tried for years to get the fellow to let me carry his owrk.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:22:28pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:23:24pm |
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:24:13pm |
re: #165 reine.de.tout
I'm in a "I want to carry a smaller bag but always find myself with a large one because everything ends up in there" phase.
*Gloomy sigh*
Yeah, that's how I got to my "huge bag of many pockets" phase, this time. I got tired of trying to manage two hard bound books and a paperback.
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debutaunt Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:24:26pm |
re: #137 Dianna
Ack! Hack! Spit!
Mercy! Mercy!
I think they are actually teaching 'tow the line' in school. It is used so commonly.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:03pm |
re: #189 Dianna
*Gloomy sigh*
Yeah, that's how I got to my "huge bag of many pockets" phase, this time. I got tired of trying to manage two hard bound books and a paperback.
psst - try the Kindle. It's great.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:09pm |
re: #183 Guanxi88
My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).
I like Made in the USA myself
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:17pm |
re: #191 Guanxi88
"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.
I'm not sure if anyone is just trying to make a joke or something, but there is a product called ManBag and I have one. Used it last week on my trip to the Hamptons on Long Island.
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bosforus Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:19pm |
Perhaps this has been posted already but...
Buy this man a drink
Keep on moving, Moammar.Agents for the terrorist-coddling Libyan strongman Moammar Khadafy were met with a strong-arm from a real-estate broker they approached to rent a posh Upper East Side townhouse for his visit to the city this week.
The broker, with characteristic New York chutzpah, told them to take a hike back to the desert.
"They kept asking, 'What would be the price? What would be the price?' I thought about it and said, 'Why don't you send Megrahi back to Scotland, and then maybe we can work something out.' They hung up on me immediately," said Jason Haber, a broker for Prudential Douglas Elliman.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:21pm |
re: #169 Occasional Reader
Understandable, you need all that room for your spare mags.
Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:34pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:26:38pm |
re: #185 Creeping Eruption
I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.
Different strokes, I guess. While I can admire the beauty and workmanship of such an item, I prefer my mass-produced but high-quality, voluminous, water-repellent, nearly-indestructible Victorinox briefcase.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:27:09pm |
re: #190 debutaunt
I think they are actually teaching 'tow the line' in school. It is used so commonly.
But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.
That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!
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starsfan914 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:27:30pm |
re: #118 reine.de.tout
It may seem hard to understand, but yes (for the moment). The time is not yet right for a leader to emerge.
Many people that voted in this last election do not remember Jimmy Carter's administration so they did not realize fully what would happen if Obama was elected. Some of our "leaders" did try to explain what could happen under an Obama administration (Palin, Cheney, etc.) and you know full well how they were ridiculed by so many. When Bobby Jindall was given his chance to speak to a national audience he was ridiculed even on this board. If a conservative leader were to step up now how many of us would attack him or her on this board right away because we did not believe some of the things he/she does? No one is perfect (especially politicians) and no one candidate can easily have exactly the same views as we do.
Like I said, easy to attack the messenger rather than the message.
The tea party protests are a good start--yes, any protest will always bring out the loons--but many of these people protesting are normal people that may not have ever taken part in any kind of protest. When the administration and the MSM dismiss or worse -- DIMINISH -- the people who either attended these protests or at least agree with issues causing them then the people begin to actually see the situation.
Since the Left has no one to attack (other than Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Cheney, Bush, etc. who have no real political control whatsoever) who will they attack? Will they attack the conservative message? Probably not--it is much harder to debate the message than it is to employ personal attacks.
This will drive more people (independents) to find out for themselves what they personally believe in. More people will read books such as the "death of conservatism" and "Liberty and Tyranny". More people will seek knowledge for themselves and know what they would like to see for the future of this country.
We know many of the things that "we" don't want (more taxes, fewer jobs, less freedom) but what do "we" want?
We are not sheep who will willingly follow a leader--we need to know what we want and where we want to go before we will follow anyone there.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:27:51pm |
For those looking to get a truly utilitarian and sturdy leather bag or case, I'd suggest you consider horsehide, oil-tanned, but not hot-stuffed. Great material, when you can find it, and wears quite well.
For those with big bucks to drop, look for Russia Leather, it was called - calf-skin tanned with birch-tar. Virtually indestructible, and one of the only types of leather ever to be recovered from shipwrecks intact. I haven't found anybody dealing in it in anything like my price ranges, but I know it exists.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:27:57pm |
re: #201 Dianna
But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.
That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!
Better take the pet out before it peeves, then.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:28:05pm |
re: #200 Ben Hur
Walter has a Murse.
No I don't, I have a ManBag. It's an actual product name, not a joke.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:28:07pm |
re: #191 Guanxi88
"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.
I watched "24" for a couple of seasons, starting in season 3 (I think). To get caught up with past episodes, I read a bunch of the summaries at [Link: www.televisionwithoutpity.com....]
Hilarious. They were actually better than the show in many cases.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:28:46pm |
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:28:53pm |
re: #186 Guanxi88
Not a Walden, is it? I covet those, and have tried for years to get the fellow to let me carry his owrk.
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debutaunt Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:29:36pm |
re: #201 Dianna
But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.
That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!
I can't imagine why it is in such common usage - I'm with ya!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:29:37pm |
re: #183 Guanxi88
My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).
Needless to say, Argentina is also a great place for hand-made leather goods. (I was just in BA this weekend, and was sorely tempted to blow some cash.)
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:29:41pm |
re: #129 zuckerlilly
re: #134 zuckerlilly
Thank you for the information.
First off: I didn't know you were such a sensitive little plant. The term "bullshit" is not a curse word here in the US, unless you're a pearl-clutcher. I never took you for that sort. And of course I know that "Bullenscheiße" is not a real word in German. It was a joke, the direct, painfully wrong translation of English "BS". Now that I know you take offense so easily, I'll refrain from using such standard LGF terminology as "fact-checking your ass" in any back-and-forth with you. In fact, I withdrew them and substituted neutral words on the original thread, but apparently you can't be bothered to acknowledge that here. Please accept my apology.
Second: I read/speak/write German and read the German press (specifically the Frankfurter Allgemeine) daily, so I have some standing to be surprised at a statement (from your original post: "If a German physician e.g. an internist, has 3 patients with HIV his budget is eaten up, because the budgets of German physicians are limited. Now comes a fourth HIV patient and wants a treatment. What to do? The physician can either say “look for another physician” and refuse to treat her/him or she/he can pay her/his treatment out of his own pocket (!) including drugs from the pharmacy") about which I have not read a murmur. Perhaps I missed it. I'm not merely someone with no clue about Germany and its political-social debates who came at you because your statement didn't correlate with my preconceived notions.
Third: I seriously wanted to be instructed, because my personal experience with the German system is two decades old and thus admittedly useless. I'm sorry if my responses upset you, and I thank you for the opportunity to study the above-linked materials. I reserve judgment as to whether they prove the statement you made. If they do, I will publicly say so.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to fact-check your assertion testimony.
As an aside, allow me to say that your concluding remark, "not a single health care system in Europe works [...]" is another one of those bold pronouncements that lead me to suspect an ideological bias on your part. I won't ask you to prove it.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:29:55pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:29:59pm |
re: #193 Creeping Eruption
I like Made in the USA myself
Me too, but those South Africans do some mighty fine work. The American-made stuff is made in Montana and West Virginia. The WV stuff is very workman-like, and more to my taste, while the Montana stuff is just a bit too "Western" for my taste.
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wrenchwench Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:30:37pm |
re: #202 starsfan914
You end with this:
We are not sheep who will willingly follow a leader--we need to know what we want and where we want to go before we will follow anyone there.
And yet you said this:
The tea party protests are a good start
Did you happen to notice who the leaders of those were?
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SummerSong Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:31:01pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure if anyone is just trying to make a joke or something, but there is a product called ManBag and I have one. Used it last week on my trip to the Hamptons on Long Island.
At least it's a better look than a fanny pack...
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:31:10pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:31:33pm |
re: #210 Occasional Reader
Needless to say, Argentina is also a great place for hand-made leather goods. (I was just in BA this weekend, and was sorely tempted to blow some cash.)
Yeah, but I haven't found anyone down there yet I trust enough, or who trusts me enough. I've got contacts for the whacked-out luxury leather goods (minimum order 10,000.00 USD), but these days, there's not a lot of interest in that particular segment.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:31:35pm |
re: #215 SummerSong
At least it's a better look than a fanny pack...
Which is something ENTIRELY different in Britain!
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:31:40pm |
re: #209 debutaunt
I can't imagine why it is in such common usage - I'm with ya!
People rely on spell-check, which can't tell the difference, and there's also ignorance of the origin of the phrase.
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SixDegrees Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:33:11pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:34:18pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:35:54pm |
re: #196 Dianna
Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!
Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:37:07pm |
re: #217 Guanxi88
Yeah, but I haven't found anyone down there yet I trust enough
Neither have the Argentinians!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:37:46pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:38:38pm |
re: #224 Occasional Reader
Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.
Dunno, I think it depends on your income, tastes, and such. For me, $4K is a good chunk; for others, maybe not.
That said, you could find many worse uses for the cash.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:39:04pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:39:09pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.
And most women I know wouldn't buy a real one if they could. It's a ridiculous thing to waste money on. For a lot less, you can get an absolutely beautiful all-leather Coach bag that will last for years.
The Vuitton ones are just fashionista nahrishkeit.
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:39:43pm |
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:40:07pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:40:46pm |
re: #229 Ben Hur
Very.
I'm no fan of keeping "exotic pets" though.
We're not talking "wake up the Gimp", are we?
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:41:33pm |
re: #188 Ben Hur
And I thought Spidey and The Lizard(He's number 6 in the list) were just enemies. Maybe it was just a bitter divorce.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:42:16pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:42:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:42:43pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.
There's a novel by Naomi Ragen in which a rabbi's young and shallow wife starts a 'chesed project' where she's going to collect used designer handbags to send to Israeli terror victims. Knockoffs from New York's Chinatown eventually feature into the plot.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:43:33pm |
re: #179 Charles
I like it when the Baron tries to explain Christianity through the eyes of a racist. For example, that stuff about "Love your neighbor". The Baron's take is laughable. Jesus was a Xenophobe!
So let’s consider the biblical justifications “Christian” multiculturalists use to support their positions. I’ll pick the most likely candidates.You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Mark 12:31)
Notice that Christ was asking us to love our neighbors. In the original context, this meant His fellow Jews — not the Greeks, nor the Romans, nor the fishermen of Lampedusa. Your neighbor, the fellow who lives over the hill from you, is the one you are required to love and watch out for. You are not responsible for the well-being of the residents of Aquitania or Cappadocia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:43:38pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
MANBAG...
[Link: www.manbag.com...]
Don't that model look... uh... manly...
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SummerSong Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:43:48pm |
I have a leather LV bag, years old now. Still looks great. A gift from my mother.
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Summer Seale Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:44:35pm |
OT:
Everyone remember Dominique de Villepin (who is a man)? Well, he's on trial here in France since today for trying to illegally hurt (politcally) Sarkozy during the election.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Figured you all might wanna read that. =)
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Ben Hur Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:44:37pm |
re: #234 Occasional Reader
We're not talking "wake up the Gimp", are we?
Insane.
I almost wrote (non-human) exotic pets, in my post.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:45:08pm |
So, from sobbing, weepy Glen Beck we devolve into a discussion of leather accessories. What sorta freaks are we, anyway?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:45:11pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:45:19pm |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't that model look... uh... manly...
He looks like a Star Trek:TNG extraterrestrial, what with that weird forehead.
I note that the photo is shot at Ronald Reagan National, my favorite airport.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:45:49pm |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
That is much better than 'murse'.
Grip, satchel, loculus, any number of terms.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:45:55pm |
re: #243 Summer
I saw his name earlier today and that same phrase (who is a man) came to mind. Inextricably linked.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:46:49pm |
re: #196 Dianna
Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!
Ann Richards, in regard to a concealed-carry law, once said "Now, y'all know that I am not a sexist, but I don't know a single woman in Texas who could find a gun in her handbag.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:48:04pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
Ann Richards, in regard to a concealed-carry law, once said "Now, y'all know that I am not a sexist, but I don't know a single woman in Texas who could find a gun in her handbag.
Funny thing - I did not share most of her political stances, but liked and defended her to other conservatives, on the grounds that as a Texan, she was intrinsically closer to the conservative ideal in most ways than were many Republicans from other states.
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:48:39pm |
re: #224 Occasional Reader
Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.
If you've got four thousand dollars to spend, OR, I shan't tell you how to use it.
But it does seem excessive, unless you're shooting competitively.
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Summer Seale Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:49:29pm |
re: #250 mich-again
I saw his name earlier today and that same phrase (who is a man) came to mind. Inextricably linked.
lol yea that's never, ever, leaving my mind. =)
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Danny Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:49:44pm |
re: #211 Cato the ElderI'm sorry if my responses upset you, and I thank you for the opportunity to study the above-linked materials. I reserve judgment as to whether they prove the statement you made. If they do, I will publicly say so.
Can you expedite that, please. There's already a new thread and the suspense is killing me.
/ Just kidding...but I am interested in the outcome of this conversation.
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Liberal Classic Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:49:45pm |
re: #252 Guanxi88
Funny thing - I did not share most of her political stances, but liked and defended her to other conservatives, on the grounds that as a Texan, she was intrinsically closer to the conservative ideal in most ways than were many Republicans from other states.
I disagreed with Ann Richards on many things, but I always appreciated her candor.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:50:31pm |
re: #253 Dianna
But it does seem excessive, unless you're shooting competitively.
Good, good... keep that up... that devil on my other shoulder keeps saying "spend the money! Be the coolest kid at the range!".
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:50:56pm |
There's a Jewish doctor who saved all the foreskins of
40 years of performing circumcisions...
Brought them to the tanner and asked that he make a nice gift for his wife,for their Anniversary.
A week later he went to pick up his gift and was handed a beatiful
soft wallet!
He said to the Tanner" I would have something a bit larger considering the amount of material I supplied"!
" Ah"! Said the Tanner smiling!
"If you rub it just right,It becomes a three piece se t of luggage"
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:51:16pm |
re: #240 mich-again
I like it when the Baron tries to explain Christianity through the eyes of a racist. For example, that stuff about "Love your neighbor". The Baron's take is laughable. Jesus was a Xenophobe!
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, man nor woman, slave nor free, for you are all one in Christ..." Naaah. Couldn't have meant that.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:51:42pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:52:32pm |
re: #211 Cato the Elder
Just for clarity: The Frankfurter Allgemeine, my daily dose of German news, is Germany's leading center-right paper, and thus hardly likely to prettify or unduly defend the German "socialized medicine" system. I get it on my Kindle.
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Nene1 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:53:25pm |
re: #224 Occasional Reader
What's $4,000 against the value of your family and property ?
PAY IT !
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:53:42pm |
re: #255 Danny
I'm sorry if my responses upset you, and I thank you for the opportunity to study the above-linked materials. I reserve judgment as to whether they prove the statement you made. If they do, I will publicly say so.
Can you expedite that, please. There's already a new thread and the suspense is killing me.
/ Just kidding...but I am interested in the outcome of this conversation.
Well, it took Z. a day to get back to me, so a little patience might be in order. And I do have a life outside LGF...at least one hour a day...
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Dianna Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:53:55pm |
re: #258 Occasional Reader
Good, good... keep that up... that devil on my other shoulder keeps saying "spend the money! Be the coolest kid at the range!".
Sweet, it's not your hardware, it's how you use it.
/
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callahan23 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:53:58pm |
re: #227 SixDegrees
I have a very similar bag with me every day. On it's belt I pinned an Israeli flag pin 1 1/4 inch in diameter and a slightly smaller American flag pin below.
I live in Germany, as many are well aware.
The raised eyebrows are mostly a silent hoot for me but sometimes they are a little frightening.
I am not saying that I am particularly brave to do such.
It is just so to make a statement as to where my loyalties are headed.
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turn Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:54:08pm |
re: #242 SummerSong
I have a leather LV bag, years old now. Still looks great. A gift from my mother.
The turnwife has a LV she bought in Paris 30 years ago, her favorite purse. She has toted that thing for thirty years and has only had to send it back one to have the zipper repaired. Finally meeting are over, Rehoboth Beach here turn comes! (not before checking in on you lizards first mind you)
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turn Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:55:14pm |
re: #253 Dianna
If you've got four thousand dollars to spend, OR, I shan't tell you how to use it.
But it does seem excessive, unless you're shooting competitively.
$4k for a gun, holy shit! Hey OR, how about a loan? ha
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:55:47pm |
re: #267 callahan23
I have a very similar bag with me every day. On it's belt I pinned an Israeli flag pin 1 1/4 inch in diameter and a slightly smaller American flag pin below.
I live in Germany, as many are well aware.
The raised eyebrows are mostly a silent hoot for me but sometimes they are a little frightening.
I am not saying that I am particularly brave to do such.
It is just so to make a statement as to where my loyalties are headed.
Good for you.
Got anything to helpful to add to the Cato/Zuckerlilly debate?
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avanti Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:57:27pm |
For you muscle car fans:
You may recall be talking about my 78 year old Studebaker drag racing friend, Ted. He's a NHRA hall of fame winner that was drag racing from the early 60's to the present day, but was out of commission for a few months after crashing his twin turbo Studebaker ar 130 MPH.
He's back on the strip again with his stock, supercharged Studebaker Lark in the Pure Stock Muscle car Drags. It a competition within ET classes of bone stock muscle cars running on street tires and through mufflers. We had 9 Studebakers running this year, and Ted won as usual, this year against a 440 six pack Mopar.
From the Studebaker Racing Forum
"In Round One of the Studebaker/Super Bee shootout, the 'Bee put a good hole shot on Ted and took off. In fact, about 500 feet out, the Dodge was a full two car lengths ahead of Ted and The Stude Tomato: Ted cranked the Studebaker hard and barely won out at the end. It was so close, Ted said the 'Bee's front bumper was about even with The Tomato's front-door vent window at the finish line.
In Round Two, the pressure was on. Ted had two chances to win the shootout; the 'Bee's owner/driver had but one...and this was it. The lights came down and...RED LIGHT! The Bee's owner, who normally cuts dynamite lights and 60-foot times, flipped on Rudolph's nose by leaving about .041 early, IIRC, red-lighting Round Two and handing the shootout win to Ted.
This year, they had a change of procedure. They had all shootout pairings run a full three rounds, even if the race had been decided by the first two rounds. Even if you raced and won twice, thus winning your shootout, they asked that you race a third time just for fun.
His third-round race was the best of the entire event. Not only did he again beat the A12-package 440/6-pack fair-and square, he posted a 12.897 ET and 109.84 MPH on 60's era, skinny, stock tires "
Here's Ted in a practice run about a 1:15 into the video (the red car in the near lane) Listen to that old man shift.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:57:28pm |
re: #263 Nene1
What's $4,000 against the value of your family and property ?PAY IT !
I already have an M1911 (Kimber) and a shotgun. The Wilson Combat would be a pure vanity purchase. I can't justify that kind of outlay.
But I probably will be picking up SOME sort of new firearm in the near future. Still mulling over options.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:58:26pm |
re: #273 Occasional Reader
I already have an M1911 (Kimber) and a shotgun. The Wilson Combat would be a pure vanity purchase. I can't justify that kind of outlay.
But I probably will be picking up SOME sort of new firearm in the near future. Still mulling over options.
Might I suggest a Lee Enfield SMLE?
Or a good revolver?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:59:03pm |
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Mich-again Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:59:47pm |
re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist
Exactly. How the racist has to twist and contort the simple words of Jesus to soothe their cognitive dissonance. So RSM is playing footsies with Baron Bodissey who pushes the "See its OK, Jesus was a racist too" BS, and at the same time pimping Baldilocks little prayer for Charles.
May the Lord Jesus Christ open your eyes before it's too late.
Nuttier than a Payday bar.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:59:49pm |
re: #275 Cato the Elder
What the hell does four grand get you?
It has the Louis Vuitton emblem emblazoned on the grips.
/
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turn Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:00:35pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:00:55pm |
re: #275 Cato the Elder
What is that? An H&K of some sort?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:03:27pm |
re: #274 Guanxi88
Might I suggest a Lee Enfield SMLE?
Or a good revolver?
On the former; a rifle of some sort sounds nice to build out the collection (shotgun, handgun... rifle), but I just don't know where I'd shoot it. My indoor range allows it, but it just seems silly to practice rifle fire at a target that's 75 yards away.
A revolver is definitely an option; S&W 686 in .357 Magnum is a contender. Another strong possibility is one of the baby Glocks, probably either model 27 or 30.
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starsfan914 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:03:45pm |
re: #214 wrenchwench
I know several groups were involved--like I said, any protest will bring out the loons. I'm sure there were many loons present at each one of these things and also many "average" people that are just concerned about the direction our country is headed. People are angry and frustrated and looking for ways to express it.
1. Many people are dissatisfied with the path our government (President and Congress) is taking.
2. Democratic and Republican officials should take note of the frustration and concerns and address them, not ignore them.
This is a lot like the "stages of grief"
1. Denial -- "I can't believe my government is doing this!" Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of situations and individuals.
2. Anger -- "This is not right! Who's to blame?" Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to reason with due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy.
3. Depression -- "Why bother with anything...What's the point?" During the fourth stage, the person begins to understand the certainty of the situation. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse to talk about the situation, etc. This process allows the person to disconnect from everything.
4. Acceptance and resolution-- "Ok. the situation is what it is...I may as well learn to like it or do something about it."
This final stage comes with understanding the situation or problem and working out a resolution.
A leader cannot help us if we are still stuck in the first few stages of denial, anger, and depression. In fact--usually if someone is still in the denial or anger phases they will not rationally listen to anyone really (even though they could still be manipulated emotionally).
Until we are at the "understanding and resolution" stage then we will have a hard time listening or following anyone--(but could be emotionally manipulated for a short time)
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:04:43pm |
re: #151 Guanxi88
On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?
Drive by post...I had a custom pair of dress shoes made for $80 bucks here in the Philippines, I based a lot of the design off of a pair of Berluti dress shoes, $1800 bucks...with some of my own flair and deviations to them.
He got them about 75% right... I promise not a single human in the world will ever have an exact pair of these babies (chances are nor would they want to..). Love' em.
Now I gotta sleep. Later all.
Next up is a couple of pair French cuff dress shirts. So excited.
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Nene1 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:05:54pm |
re: #273 Occasional Reader
I'm a British citizen, so any form of self-defence AT ALL is illegal in my country.
Naturally, since the holding of privately-held firearms by common citizens became illegal, the murder rate has skyrocketed.
An interesting statistic for you anti-gun people to consider :
The 'Hot' Burglary rate ( IE Where the burglar breaks into a home where the homeowner is in residence at the time ) is about 67% in the UK, but only 13% in the USA. Could it be because the burglar is likely to risk having his head blown off in the USA ?
Just a thought ...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:06:58pm |
re: #281 Occasional Reader
On the former; a rifle of some sort sounds nice to build out the collection (shotgun, handgun... rifle), but I just don't know where I'd shoot it. My indoor range allows it, but it just seems silly to practice rifle fire at a target that's 75 yards away.
A revolver is definitely an option; S&W 686 in .357 Magnum is a contender. Another strong possibility is one of the baby Glocks, probably either model 27 or 30.
Get a revolver, my friend. S&W make some very lovely ones, their line of classics (blued steel and walnut grips, the way the Lord intended) come in calibres that might surprise you (there's at least one in .45acp, if you're so inclined).
357 revolver makes sense, if only for the 38 back-up capability.
I've got an autoloading pistol, and while I admire them as tools, very few appeal to the aesthetic side the way a wheelgun can. If an auto-loader, though, make it a 45, a good copy of the colt 1911, obviously. A fine weapon, and truly beautiful in the way a purely utilitarian object can be.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:08:07pm |
re: #280 Occasional Reader
What is that? An H&K of some sort?
Yep. P7M8. So expensive because they're rarer than 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart these days. Originally designed for German police use. The funny-looking grip is the squeeze-cocker. If you don't squeeze it in, the gun can't fire. You can safely carry a round in the chamber and hurl the thing on the sidewalk, and nothing will happen except you'll have scratches on your $1,500 gun. And if a bad guy gets it away from you, he can pull the trigger all he wants - he's not going to figure out how to fire it unless he has a convulsive grip (which admittedly happens). Release the cocker, and the gun is instantly "safe".
And it's a tack-driver out of the box. I regularly shoot smiley-faces on targets with it.
The only thing I hate is that even with the heat-guard on the trigger housing (an afterthought), you can't shoot more than thirty rounds without gloves, or you'll burn yourself. Apparently the Germans never do the kind of two-box sessions we consider normal here in the States...
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:08:46pm |
re: #284 Nene1
I'm a British citizen, so any form of self-defence AT ALL is illegal in my country.
Sorry to hear it (and yes, I've read the horror stories... homeowner successfully defends himself with a cricket bat (or something) against home invader; homeowner gets prosecuted... etc.). You guys need to get to work on that.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:09:26pm |
re: #286 Cato the Elder
Yep. P7M8. So expensive because they're rarer than 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart these days. Originally designed for German police use. The funny-looking grip is the squeeze-cocker. If you don't squeeze it in, the gun can't fire. You can safely carry a round in the chamber and hurl the thing on the sidewalk, and nothing will happen except you'll have scratches on your $1,500 gun. And if a bad guy gets it away from you, he can pull the trigger all he wants - he's not going to figure out how to fire it unless he has a convulsive grip (which admittedly happens). Release the cocker, and the gun is instantly "safe".
And it's a tack-driver out of the box. I regularly shoot smiley-faces on targets with it.
The only thing I hate is that even with the heat-guard on the trigger housing (an afterthought), you can't shoot more than thirty rounds without gloves, or you'll burn yourself. Apparently the Germans never do the kind of two-box sessions we consider normal here in the States...
Wow! You got one of those? I had always coveted one in my youth, but could never see my way clear to dropping the dough when the time came. I loved the idea of so safe and brilliant a piece of German engineering.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:09:28pm |
re: #287 buzzsawmonkey
If you're having shirts made, you might want to consider getting shirts which take cuff links but which are not French cuffs--i.e., single cuffs rather than turn-backs which still require a link.
Mind you, you need shirts of that sort laundered professionally with heavy starch to wear them, but it gives you a chance to use the cufflinks without all the extra fabric, and you have the additional pleasure of having a shirt style that is no longer common (though the single-cuff shirt which required links was not unusual 70 or 80 years ago).
Definitely taking notes on that.
Thanks.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:10:32pm |
re: #285 Guanxi88
If an auto-loader, though, make it a 45, a good copy of the colt 1911, obviously. A fine weapon, and truly beautiful in the way a purely utilitarian object can be.
As noted above, I've already got one. Kimber "Warrior", from the Custom II family. And yes, beyond the funcionality, I love the aesthetics of the M1911; more so than that of any revolver I've seen.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:11:51pm |
re: #290 Guanxi88
Wow! You got one of those? I had always coveted one in my youth, but could never see my way clear to dropping the dough when the time came. I loved the idea of so safe and brilliant a piece of German engineering.
You can get 'em used, and they're virtually indestructible. I can keep an eye out if you like.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:12:08pm |
re: #292 Occasional Reader
As noted above, I've already got one. Kimber "Warrior", from the Custom II family. And yes, beyond the funcionality, I love the aesthetics of the M1911; more so than that of any revolver I've seen.
Never can have too many 45 acp weapons. There's a reason so many service members grumbled when they got the Beretta sidearm - it packs a lot more rounds, but lack the reassuring heft and punishing ballistics of the old 45.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:12:18pm |
re: #286 Cato the Elder
So expensive because they're rarer than 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart these days.
That's what I thought, just couldn't remember the model number. I actually see a fair number of them in the holsters of mounted and motorcycle cops both here and in NYC. Never fired one myself. Mas Ayoob speaks highly of them.
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tradewind Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:13:07pm |
re: #277 Occasional Reader
So did the ones I used to tote back from Itaewon on Seoul layovers . Couldn't tell 'em apart until you really got into the lining.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:13:14pm |
re: #293 Cato the Elder
You can get 'em used, and they're virtually indestructible. I can keep an eye out if you like.
Nah, I'm well equipped in that category. A revolver, a GI 45, a SMLE, and a shotgun. I'll never need for firearms, barring theft.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:13:54pm |
re: #295 Occasional Reader
That's what I thought, just couldn't remember the model number. I actually see a fair number of them in the holsters of mounted and motorcycle cops both here and in NYC. Never fired one myself. Mas Ayoob speaks highly of them.
He does? Grin. That makes my day...
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callahan23 Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:23:23pm |
re: #270 Cato the Elder
Good for you.
Got anything to helpful to add to the Cato/Zuckerlilly debate?
Not, much really. I must admit that my knowledge about the inner-works of the German health-care system aren't very good and I can't back anything up with links.
Having said that it is clear to me and many Germans that the burdens on the system have been steadily increasing. So much so that many small, private practices had to close. Lots of those sure had no idea how to run their own business for sure but still quite some of them where cash strapped by the budget cuts that the reforms where imposing on the doctors. They are allocating more time nowadays into the bureaucracy than into treating patients.
I have all the understanding and then more for a doctor who decides to leave Germany with his excellent training for countries that value those professions accordingly.
Many highly trained Germans are willing to leave and/or have left already because the payments from the public sector are a friggin' joke. They are not reflecting on the late earning of a highly skilled professional as compared to a person who has simply done a 'Lehre' (apprenticeship) as well as not reflecting on the merit system. I (MSc) am earning the same fucking joke of a salary as a totally unskilled co-worker and I can do nothing about it. No amount of extra work on my part will earn me a single euro more.
Needless to say, I have applied for the green-card lottery.
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debutaunt Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:50:57pm |
re: #257 buzzsawmonkey
The cost per home-invader seems excessively high, unless you are fighting off would-be burglars in banzai waves.
hahahahahahahahahhahahaaa
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Sloppy Mon, Sep 21, 2009 3:54:54pm |
Re 300 - Buzzsawmonkey
Did you hear about the fellow who had his wrists pierced so he could wear cuff links with his short-sleeved bowling shirt?
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Van Helsing Mon, Sep 21, 2009 6:19:06pm |
re: #301 callahan23
They are allocating more time nowadays into the bureaucracy than into treating patients.
Predictably, that is what happens in any bureaucracy.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Sep 21, 2009 6:59:53pm |
OK Kol Ha Lizardim -
As Charles points out - Glenn Beck has some less than savory associations - AND - at least for Now - He is PWNING the Established Media. Would he get rid of his Birchite source material - as DID WFB, who showed himself to be a libertarian regarding "Pot" back in the day responding to a reply I ghost- wrote him under my roomate's name in 1970/71. (Can I, Can I, Can I - Get a Sorensen Award?).
Beck has, so far, been a force for "unveiling" the Tombstones of Leftist Clap-Trap. He is FAR from perfect - As Am I, As Is David Horowitz for that matter. Someone HAS to raise UP the Rocks to see the Cockroaches scuttle out. That is all.
-S-
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MPH Mon, Sep 21, 2009 7:29:07pm |
re: #19 Summer
To me, there isn't an actual Conservative movement until somebody at the top takes charge and throws out all these crazy Glenn Beck types in a very public and humiliating way.
Until then, they're just a wacko movement.
The question we'll have to wait a couple of years to find out is -- is that sort of person going to be allowed in the modern Republican party? I personally have no guess or estimate one way or the other.
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starsfan914 Tue, Sep 22, 2009 7:36:51am |
re: #95 Guanxi88
Taciturn? Perhaps. I like reading and following news and have enjoyed reading the discussions on this site. I usually do not comment much because usually by the time I read the story there are already 200+ comments and anything I would have to say may have already been expressed by someone else. In this case I read the article shortly after it was posted and there were not many comments so I decided to add my thoughts. A couple of people responded asking questions so I responded to them.
"I never learned anything when I was talking."
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starsfan914 Tue, Sep 22, 2009 7:48:11am |
re: #89 Gus 802
Hi, thanks for your question. I do not think of Glenn Beck as a "leader" (even though I guess some do--if that is what they want to follow then that is their choice) I just think of him as a "TV/Radio Personality". Same as I don't think that Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, or Randi Rhodes are "leaders." They are just opinionated people on TV/Radio that have their following (why I have no idea; anytime I have listened to them for even a few minutes they turned me off quickly).
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Tue, Sep 22, 2009 11:29:54am |
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