Glen Beck Harms the Conservative Movement.

My perspective.

Isn't Peter Wehner the guy who played "Robocop"?

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Glenn Beck Harms the Conservative Movement Global Intellectual Environment

Wehner saved the best line in the whole article for the last:

"At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on."

Well said. It deals with his whackiness and overall tendency to think "out where the buses don't run" without having to provide much more than passing reference to the guy's more bizarre rants.

re: #2 Occasional Reader

Isn't Peter Wehner the guy who played "Robocop"?

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Peter Weller

I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American “imperialism.”

I wouldn't be surprised to hear beck ranting about support for Israel being responsible for our issues with the middle east soon.

I have done wonders for the conservative movement -

Before me there were people who called themselves "conservative" that didn't:

1) hold a prayer vigil each time they buried a coffee can full of gold coins in their back yards;
2) appreciate how good I look in a Stasi uniform;
3) accept man-crying from Republicans;
4) buy my books.

All of those people are now RINOs!

As long as Beck can pull a crowd, he'll keep it up and damn the consequences for anyone else.

At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.

Beck is the anti-Buckley.

I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American “imperialism.” (He is now talking about pulling troops out of Afghanistan, South Korea, Germany, and elsewhere.)

Should be more than enough evidence that Glenn Beck is not, was not, and never will be our friend nor ally. Does not Pat Buchanan also hold a similar position on American "imperialism" and our troops?

I assume you cashed the check for the Glenn Beck ad already?

re: #6 Sharmuta

I wouldn't be surprised to hear beck ranting about support for Israel being responsible for our issues with the middle east soon.

I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?

re: #12 Occasional Reader

I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?

I would expect him to take a similar tact as Pat Buchanan.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

He's beginning to embrace ron paul's isolationist rhetoric. How much further behind can blaming Israel for our problems be?

re: #11 Danny

I assume you cashed the check for the Glenn Beck ad already?

I think this post might have been in response to the ad.
Make money from your enemies kind of thing.

re: #14 Sharmuta

He's beginning to embrace ron paul's isolationist rhetoric. How much further behind can blaming Israel for our problems be?

I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised, but not being a Beck-watcher, I just don't know what his track record on the subject is.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?

If you look on the web, you'll find that most if not all of what he's said on Israel was positive.

Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal

Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the "nuclear posture review" as being too timid, and has called for a range of more far-reaching options consistent with his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.
Those options include:

• Reconfiguring the US nuclear force to allow for an arsenal measured in hundreds rather than thousands of deployed strategic warheads.

• Redrafting nuclear doctrine to narrow the range of conditions under which the US would use nuclear weapons.

• Exploring ways of guaranteeing the future reliability of nuclear weapons without testing or producing a new generation of warheads.

The review is due to be completed by the end of this year, and European officials say the outcome is not yet clear. But one official said: "Obama is now driving this process. He is saying these are the president's weapons, and he wants to look again at the doctrine and their role."

The move comes as Obama prepares to take the rare step of chairing a watershed session of the UN security council on Thursday. It is aimed at winning consensus on a new grand bargain: exchanging more radical disarmament by nuclear powers in return for wider global efforts to prevent further proliferation.

"OK, we've gotten rid of our nukes so now everyone else will too and they'll like us now, right?"

To me, there isn't an actual Conservative movement until somebody at the top takes charge and throws out all these crazy Glenn Beck types in a very public and humiliating way.

Until then, they're just a wacko movement.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?

He has given tacit support for Israel in the past. He's taking on a more isolationist/Ron Paul oriented foreign policy. The Paulians have been crowing about this recent Beck rant...
Glenn Beck wants a time machine to rethink Ron Paul

Also David Frum agrees with you:

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Interesting. From "Israel Insider", February 2007:

Pro-Israel critics of the media, and particularly of CNN, should check out "The Glenn Beck Program" to give their high blood pressure a respite.

Beck, 42 and host of what is considered the fastest-growing TV show in cable news, can make Bibi Netanyahu look like a dove. The baby-faced former Top 40 radio disc jockey has been known to describe Saudi Arabian leaders as "nut jobs" and "dirt bags" and says that if America doesn't support and protect Israel, "we will lose our only strategic ally in the Mideast and we will lose our souls."

Yes, Beck, an admitted former alcoholic and drug addict, is now a devout Christian who believes in an Armageddon in which millions will die. He also believes in God's love for Israel, and he is not shy about discussing his own support for the Jewish state on his hour-long show that airs nightly at 7 p.m. on CNN Headline News, perhaps positioned to counter the success of Fox's right-wing programming.

Watching now -Glenn Beck Israel 5-18-09

re: #22 Occasional Reader

Sorry, link here.

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal

"OK, we've gotten rid of our nukes so now everyone else will too and they'll like us now, right?"

We are not getting rid of all of our nukes.

What a lot of people do not get about our nuclear arsenal is the need to service the weapons, to recharge heavy water cells etc... It is insanely expensive to keep more than you need operational. We have thousands of them. Hundreds are more than sufficient to wipe out all of our enemies should we choose to go for armegeddon.

At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.

Amen.

re: #22 Occasional Reader

That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.

At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.

Mr Wehner makes a great point here, imo, but is assuming the right wing wants to be reasoned instead of erratic. At this point, it doesn't seem to me to be what the right is interested in. Rather they're more interested in demonizing the few who think we should aim for intellectual depth, etc. There's something very wrong going on with right wing politics when a person saying, "Settel down a moment and think about this rationally," gets called a "RINO!" Like with a screaming, spoiled toddler, I think the hissy fit might have to work itself out before the right is ready to hear reason.

re: #22 Occasional Reader

Interesting. From "Israel Insider", February 2007:

Oy... we need such friends why?

It is precisely some shit like Beck who will make the Pali propagandists seem reasonable to the middle.

Beck's show has changed. Initially, he was more about terrorism (At CNN) and talk about bailouts. But he has gotten increasing paranoid as his popularity has risen. He has made the calculation to cater to a particular segment: the loonies on the right.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement

Oh, shit.

WHO TALKED?

re: #22 Occasional Reader

I didn't say he has said anything about Israel being the source of American middle east issues, just that I wouldn't be surprised if he goes there in the future.

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

Oy... we need such friends why?

Whoa there. I was not saying "we need such friends", just seeking an answer to my own question re: Beck's past positions on Israel.

re: #13 Honorary Yooper

I would expect him to take a similar tact as Pat Buchanan.

TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".

sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.

I was a daily visitor for a long, long time and then I became ill and for almost l8 months haven't been able to visit all my usual sites. I am here today because in visiting a site, they mentioned something about LGF and their being ostracized due to their position? I didn't have time to do much...still trying to gain strength back. What has happened? Although I disagree with your Glen Beck position, that is not extreme. What has happened that would cause this?

re: #31 Occasional Reader

Oh, shit.

WHO TALKED?

I suspect ACORN and Van Jones ratted him out.
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re: #27 Killgore Trout

Internecine warfare among the nut-trees? What on earth shall we do?

(Besides point and laugh?)

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

We have thousands of them. Hundreds are more than sufficient

That's fine, as long as the surplus ones get handed over to the "Mythbusters" guys to use on their show.

re: #30 Chekote

Beck's show has changed. Initially, he was more about terrorism (At CNN) and talk about bailouts. But he has gotten increasing paranoid as his popularity has risen. He has made the calculation to cater to a particular segment: the loonies on the right.

Paranoia draws viewers.

I've mentioned before that a number of avowedly Liberal coworkers get together the day after one of Beck's shows to guffaw over the sideshow they all watched.

And there are those who share the paranoia, whether Beck's is genuine or not. They are far creepier.

re: #34 reine.de.tout

TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".

sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.

Thanks.

re: #37 Gordan the Fisherman

We have a flouncer!

Again with the flounce! Just leave. No one is forcing you to come here.

re: #34 reine.de.tout

TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".

sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.

For all intensive purposes, I completely understand your reaction.

re: #37 Gordan the Fisherman

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That's a lame ass flounce. No snarky comment, no insults?

Sharmutta: please note my previous comment...where are these extreme right wing websites...No, not Duke or the KKK for those you and others here talk about? I have been following Obama and I think we on the other side of him seem more willing to eat our own. Funny thing that...

re: #34 reine.de.tout

TACK!
TACK!
Not "tact".

sorry, yooper, my "silly things that aggravate me" mode just went into overdrive.

No, no! You are right!

You were just exercising one of your pet peeves, because it's been in the kennel, pawing at the door and begging for an outing!

And I agree!

re: #27 Killgore Trout

That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.

Maybe Ron Paul and Alex Jones can go head to head with Glenn Beck and knock each other out.

Oh, how I wish.

re: #37 Gordan the Fisherman

If it's no longer fun, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Toodles.

re: #35 Sue62

What site were you visiting?

Flounce away, little flouncer.

I'll also delete the other accounts you registered. No need to thank me.

Two flouncers already.

Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

Maybe Ron Paul and Alex Jones can go head to head with Glenn Beck and knock each other out.

Oh, how I wish.

Cage match? Or just put them in a padded room together?

There's apparently a big bruhaha online because I dude wore a F*CK Glen Beck shirt while playing tennis in NYC.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

That's why the Paulians don't trust him even though he's now a Ron Paul convert. Even Alex Jones went on a rant about him today about how Beck is actually an undercover NWO agent who's infiltrating the liberty movement.

I actually think this was due to Beck's parting of ways with Monsieur Jones on the FEMA camp stuff, when Beck refuted it at the end of his "expose". Alex is not over this and is furious at Beck.

re: #46 Sue62

Why are you specifically asking me this question?

re: #52 Gus 802

how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society?

Because he is full of shit

re: #52 Gus 802

Two flouncers already.

Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.

Because he wants to stay on Fox.

Certain cabals are more powerful than other cabals.

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because he is full of shit

Thank you. Exactly.

re: #44 Occasional Reader

For all intensive purposes, I completely understand your reaction.

Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.

What's a flouncer?

re: #58 Ben Hur

Because he wants to stay on Fox.

Certain cabals are more powerful than other cabals.

Fox isn't cabal, it's broadcast, dummy.

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re: #60 reine.de.tout

Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.

For all intents and purposes.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

I'm not actually aware of what Beck has said (if anything) regarding Israel. Anyone?

In the past he was an avid supporter. I used to listen to him just after 9/11. He was local and intellectially curious. He blew a fuse somewhere along the way.

re: #52 Gus 802

Two flouncers already.

Anyway, how can Glenn Beck be a friend of Israel while promoting Ron Paul and the John Birch Society? Not that it matter because Glenn Beck still harms the conservative movement.

I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.

re: #60 reine.de.tout

Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.

Only one nerve, per se

re: #61 middy

What's a flouncer?

It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.

re: #65 Pianobuff

I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.

Like LaRouche? Or just a guy who likes his guns and such? 'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes that seem to come with that side of things.

re: #66 Guanxi88

Only one nerve, per se

Literally!

re: #65 Pianobuff

I always thought Beck was more of a Libertarian.

I consider Ron Paul a Libertarian as well. Even though he's technically a Republican. Not unlike Bob Barr who ran under the Libertarian banner in '08 -- he was a "Republican" as well.

re: #64 filetandrelease

In the past he was an avid supporter. I used to listen to him just after 9/11. He was local and intellectially curious. He blew a fuse somewhere along the way.

He is both "intellectially" curious, and a hater of "oligarhy"

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re: #68 Guanxi88

'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes

The lawyers and money?

re: #68 Guanxi88

Like LaRouche? Or just a guy who likes his guns and such? 'Cause the firearms bit is OK by me, it's just all the side-dishes that seem to come with that side of things.

God only knows what "kind" of Libertarian he is (other than the kind that makes a lot of money). I think of him as the whoopie cushion on the Windsor chair.

I think it's odd that the Left in this country has to rely on Pacifica (Lord help us!) or AirAmerica (which was replaced, in this market, by the Mexican pop music station whose time it bought previously) to have comparable whackiness demonstrated, but Beck, well, he's on a major cable network, and can actually make a buck with his nuttiness.

Do we just have standards that low?

re: #67 Ben Hur

It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.

Nice Conan nod.

The riddle of steel.

re: #73 Occasional Reader

The lawyers and money?

Dad, get me out of this!

re: #46 Sue62

Sharmutta: please note my previous comment...where are these extreme right wing websites...No, not Duke or the KKK for those you and others here talk about? I have been following Obama and I think we on the other side of him seem more willing to eat our own. Funny thing that...

I thought you just said you hadn't been here for 18 months.

re: #61 middy

What's a flouncer?

Basically, a lizard that complains about the way that Charles is running the blog and how it's not the way it was when they joined and then goes on to say that they simply cannot hang around any longer. Usually includes an overly dramatic farewell.

re: #72 drcordell

He is both "intellectially" curious, and a hater of "oligarhy"

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That phrase certainly takes on a new meaning today. In the early days when he was actually learning as he went, he was interesting to listen to.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Some time ago, when he was on CNN Headline News, he openly supported Israel...(since he's been on FOX, I haven't seen his program).

If it wasn't for Beck investigating the "Czars" and exposing Van Jones similar characters then who would have?

I don't think Beck harms the conservative movement--he is not the "leader" of the movement or the GOP. He's an opinionated TV/Radio personality. I do not agree with some of his opinions but I believe it is good to have different people investigating and following the activities of the government. As long as the stories are "fact checked" before they are aired then I believe it is a good thing.

One good thing about not having a "conservative leader" present now is that the current administration has fewer and fewer people to attack and blame. It is always easy to attack the messenger (Limbaugh, Cheney, Beck, Palin, etc.) than it is to attack the message. So if valid concerns are raised by a variety of individuals how long can the current administration (and MSM) keep attacking the messenger (other than going to the default "racisim" defense)?

As long as Beck and a few others are around the Left can focus their attack on him personally.

re: #67 Ben Hur

It's like that scene when Thulsa Doom makes the chick jump off the cliff.

Some definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary:

1. To go with agitated, clumsy or violent motion.
2. To make abrupt and jerky movements with the limbs or body. Usually said of bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

re: #78 Charles

I thought you just said you hadn't been here for 18 months.

I read that as a typo (an "l" rather than a "1") - and thought she meant 8 months? Which makes it even more confusing, I guess.

re: #83 John Neverbend

Some definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary:

1. To go with agitated, clumsy or violent motion.
2. To make abrupt and jerky movements with the limbs or body. Usually said of bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.

re: #85 Ben Hur

I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.

Not for long, though.

re: #86 Guanxi88

Not for long, though.

True.

Depending on how high the cliff or jumper was.

re: #82 starsfan914

I do not agree with some of his opinions but I believe it is good to have different people investigating and following the activities of the government.

The problem is, as someone once observed, if you mix one quart of vanilla ice cream with one quart of dog crap, the result ends up tasting a lot more like the latter than the former. I agree that Beck was much more right than wrong on, say, Van Jones. But he mixes in what should be valid criticism of this Administration, with outright kookery; and I think it winds up doing more harm than good to those who have valid concerns about where we are headed.

re: #82 starsfan914

How can you say that Beck plays no role as a conservative "leader" while at the same time saying "As long as Beck and a few others are around the Left can focus their attack on him personally." If he weren't a leader of sorts then the attack by the Left would be irrelevant. No? And if he weren't a "leader" why the emphasis on the administration, ACORN, Van Jones, et al?

re: #60 reine.de.tout

Oh, puh-leeze!
Don't do this to me today.
I have only one nerve left.

C'mon, this is doggy-dog world. If you can't stand the heat . . . :)

re: #85 Ben Hur

I guess some of that would happen if someone jumped off a cliff.

Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

re: #82 starsfan914

One good thing about not having a "conservative leader" present now is that the current administration has fewer and fewer people to attack and blame.

That's pretty short sighted. One, it means the media and left can aasign de facto leaders to the right, and then attack them like they're actually are doing with Beck and Palin. Also- it means conservatives have no one to rally them, no clear message to support, no agenda or policy goals to achieve.

We're a rudderless ship, and you think that's a good thing?

re: #80 filetandrelease

That phrase certainly takes on a new meaning today. In the early days when he was actually learning as he went, he was interesting to listen to.

Beck is interested in one thing, and one thing only. Making money. The man's about as ideologically rigid as a weather-vane. Whichever way the winds are blowing, he's sure to follow.

Just today someone unearthed these gems from the previous incarnation of his show on CNN. Transcript

The “REAL STORY” is the $700 billion that you`re hearing about now is not only, I believe, necessary, it is also not nearly enough, and all of the weasels in Washington know it.

This is of course, when Bush was still President and Beck was carrying his water like a good little boy. Now that the bailout is Obama's barrel of fish, I think you know where he stands.

re: #82 starsfan914

12 comments in 2 years. Very taciturn, sir.

"I should tell you right up front that I'm a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. I distrust a close-mouthed man, sir. He generally says the wrong thing at the wrong time. Talking's a thing that can't be done judiciously without practice." Caspar Gutman.

re: #91 John Neverbend

Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

I always think of a flounce as something that belongs on a skirt.

re: #78 Charles

Interesting she doesn't seem to want to clarify herself.

re: #91 John Neverbend

Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

So "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" was pretty much a Flounce El Grande?

re: #91 John Neverbend

Yes, although it's interesting that the most common flouncers appear to be bulls, horses or aquatic animals.

"Aquatic animals" meaning not "fish" or a "chicks in cult", I presume.

re: #98 CyanSnowHawk

So "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" was pretty much a Flounce El Grande?

Yep, came with guacamole and pico de gallo.

re: #95 Guanxi88

12 comments in 2 years. Very taciturn, sir.

"I should tell you right up front that I'm a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. I distrust a close-mouthed man, sir. He generally says the wrong thing at the wrong time. Talking's a thing that can't be done judiciously without practice." Caspar Gutman.

My avatar thanks you.

GOP Surrenders to Beck’s Mob Rule
Commentary

When Glenn Beck made his Fox debut, some shrewd conservatives responded with a wink. Maybe the show was paranoid and hysterical. Maybe Beck was none too scrupulous about facts and truth. But why be squeamish? The other side did as bad, or nearly. And see how usefully he mobilized the base!

Those shrewd conservatives assumed Beck was working for them. Big mistake. Beck is working for himself – and he chooses his targets according to his own scheme of priorities.

The newest target is Cass Sunstein, confirmed yesterday by the Senate as director of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs within the Office of Management and Budget.

For more about Sunstein, see Tim Mak’s adjoining report. Bottom line: For those who champion free competitive markets, Cass Sunstein is about the best possible choice to be hoped for from a Democratic administration.

(continues)

re: #96 Dianna

I always think of a flounce as something that belongs on a skirt.

Yes, another definition.

I think I posted it before, but the most relevant definition at this moment can be found at Flounce.

re: #101 SixDegrees

His portrayal of Gutman steals the whole film, and everyone knows it.

re: #55 Pianobuff

I actually think this was due to Beck's parting of ways with Monsieur Jones on the FEMA camp stuff, when Beck refuted it at the end of his "expose". Alex is not over this and is furious at Beck.

Bingo. The video I posted with the nutty Mancow interview included Alex Jones ranting about how Beck was running a psi-op to discredit "The Patriot movement" and spent a good deal of time ranting about Beck going to a 'fake' FEMA camp (LOL) to prove they didn't exist.

re: #103 John Neverbend

Yes, another definition.

I think I posted it before, but the most relevant definition at this moment can be found at Flounce.

I saw that, and thought it quite amusing.

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

Random thought of the day:

If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.

Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.

re: #104 Guanxi88

His portrayal of Gutman steals the whole film, and everyone knows it.

Bogie's not too shabby. But I agree that the camera loves Greenstreet, and he steals every scene he's featured in.

A bygone era, when screenwriters actually wrote dialog worth paying attention to.

re: #107 Russkilitlover

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

The New Year brings good things

re: #103 John Neverbend

Yes, another definition.

I think I posted it before, but the most relevant definition at this moment can be found at Flounce.

A very good definition with a couple great examples.

re: #107 Russkilitlover

Grats!

ug, Glenn Beck is the reason I vote for Republicans in shame. I can't see myself ever agreeing with the Democrats on economic policies but frankly, when it comes to government, I will vote based on economic ideas over social ideas every time, or at least their historical professed ideas.

re: #107 Russkilitlover

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

Excellent! Wonderful! Congratulations!

re: #107 Russkilitlover

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

Congrats Russkilt!

/drinks are on you, naturally, what with that salary and all

re: #107 Russkilitlover

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

Congratulations!

So you'll be buying a round for the house, no?

re: #97 Sharmuta

Interesting she doesn't seem to want to clarify herself.

Usually when people misspell your name the way she did, I assume they are a sockpuppet from the Village of the Banned.

re: #82 starsfan914

You really think it's a "good thing" there is no conservative leader right now, to reign in the nutballs and chart a rational course?

Without a leader who can draw everyone together, there will be more and more division and "in-fighting".

Without a leader who can chart a rational course conservatives, we become more and more marginalized as the nutcases with a podium become viewed as the "voice" of conservatives.

re: #107 Russkilitlover

OT but I can't hold it in.

I LANDED A JOB TODAY! In my town (2 mile commute) with better than expected salary. I'm kinda floating right now and can't stop grinning - even on a GB thread!

In honor of your good news, a little Talking Heads:

Found a Job:

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Random thought of the day:

If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.

Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.

Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.

re: #108 Cato the Elder

You could also find a second career working for the French customs agency, who seem almost entirely concerned with seizing fake French luxury knockoffs (from what I could tell by the posted warnings at CDG airport).

re: #71 Gus 802

I consider Ron Paul a Libertarian as well. Even though he's technically a Republican. Not unlike Bob Barr who ran under the Libertarian banner in '08 -- he was a "Republican" as well.

Paul and Beck are 'Republicans' only because as members of a fringe party they will do / achieve nothing really other than being part of the fringe. The 'R' provides them with a semblance of respectability that doesn't exist on the fringe.

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Random thought of the day:

If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.

Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.

Get this... the classic LV print bags aren't even made of leather. They're synthetic, even the real ones sold by Louis Vuitton. Could hardly believe it when one of my female friends told me, but it's true.

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Literally!

Tow that line!

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.

Beat me to it, but yeah they're definitely some sort of plastic coated canvas.

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Random thought of the day:

If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.

Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.

Sort of a depraved Stuart Smalley kind of thought. I like it.

re: #107 Russkilitlover
In that case I'll have an import beer instead of the usual!;-)
Congrats!!!
2 miles?
You could walk to work ...Global warming and all!!!

Let us not forget Hannity when talking of Beck, as if the latter is an anomaly.

I saw a bit of him recently and had to look up a few facts after it became clear in a few seconds that Hannity had none.

Hannity stumbles upon cause of west side water issues

Read and weep, as Charles might have said.

Hi Charles,

first, please, let me say why I write this on this thread instead answering “Cato the Elder” here:

1. I know you don’t like postings after a thread is more or less closed or more than one day old. I understand that this makes a lot more of work for you to check all the “old threads” for insulting postings. I couldn't’t answer the postings directed at me yesterday because in the house where I stay currently we had problems with electricity as well with the internet connection which were only solved in the morning. And today I had other things to do, I'm not only on vacation here but also for my work.

2. I don’t want to disturb your comment section. I’m not used to insulting postings which address me personally. To answer my posting with words like “Bullenscheisse” (a word, that is never used in German) or to address me with the words “ So I’m calling you out. Fact-checking your ass”. This wouldn’t be a problem if he hadn’t written:“This is where I'm going to call bullshit without waiting to hear back from my German friends.” So he is calling my posting “bullshit” without knowing anything about health care reforms in Germany in the last nearly two decades.

This is not the stile I’m used to discuss a subject, sorry and I answered him in German a) not to disturbing the thread and b) HE started to use inadequate German words to address me and my posting.

But now to the facts:

The German health care system has changed dramatically in the last nearly two decades because of skyrocketing costs. It started in 1989 followed by a reform in 1992 (“Gesundheitsstrukturgesetz”) which included for the first time a limited budget for pharmaceuticals and other means/therapies to cure a disease.

[Link: bundesrecht.juris.de...] (go to “Artikel 29")

What does “Artikel 29" say? If all the German physicians together exceed the conceded (or prescribed) budget (conceded by the government) they have to pay back the money out of their own pockets. As agency was their own medical association named (“Kassenärztliche Bundesvereinigung”).

Two more reforms took place in 1996 and 1997. The reform of 1997 introduced the “Praxisbudget” a prescription for every medical praxis and a “Richtgrössen-Regress - Kollektivhaftung bei Budgetueberschreitungen”)

[Link: www.aerzteblatt.de...]

In 2000 again a reform took place (“2000 GKV-Gesundheitsreform”) with a budget restriction for medical fees, pharmaceuticals and other means/therapies to cure diseases and with a lowered recourse receivable for budget overrun (Richtgroessen-Regress - Kollektivhaftung bei Budgetueberschreitungen).

In 2001 anew the bill was changed: “Arzneimittelbudget-Abloesungsgesetz”. Now a physician who exceeded his “Richtwert” (no longer named budget) more than 25 per cent had to pay back the overrun out of her/his own pocket and the “Kollektivhaftung fuer Budegetueberschreitung” was canceled.

And guess what, Charles? In 2002 two reforms took place: “Arzneimittelausgaben-Begrenzungsgesetz - AABG” which limited again the costs (budget) for pharmaceuticals etc. and the “Beitragssicherungsgesetz - BSSichG” which again brought in a restriction for the budget of medical fees.

Fine, the year of 2003 came along with another reform - “Gesetz zur Modernisierung der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung “GKV Modernisierungsgesetz GMG”“ with a lot restrictions but not directly related to my posting.

The reform of 2004 brought a lot of other restrictions for patients but nor related to my posting.

--> to be continued

re: #125 drcordell

Beat me to it, but yeah they're definitely some sort of plastic coated canvas.

I also have this funny idea that bags are supposed to protect what's inside them from the elements... not require protection themselves. Hence, I'm always puzzled by highly "finished" bags.

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.

Some of them are supposedly leather - but see the other replies. The most common ones are coated canvas with leather-looking trim.

Nothing like paying $1,000-plus for status-y Naugahyde.

re: #102 Gus 802

Great minds think alike. I posted this link on #21. How do you show titles? Still learning.

re: #117 ArchangelMichael

Seems she's logged out, so we won't be getting that clarification.

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The “Gesundheitsreform of 2007" (legally binding since 2009)

[Link: www.bgblportal.de...] (although the headline sounds otherwise it IS the proper link)

brought the “flat rate per case”. But if a physician exceeds the “flat rate per case” (e.g. if a patient needs more than one therapy because the first or second didn’t work) the physician gets less and less money for the second or third therapy. What does this say? The physician has to pay the therapy out of her/his pocket.

Now to the accusation of “Cato the Elder” I would sound like a “propagandist”. For what reason and what could be my goal? I’m not interested in your USA-health care reform and I haven’t read it and I’m an Austrian writing about German health care reforms. What could I gain out of the “propaganda”? If (!) - but I’m not - were a cynical European then I would hope and do anything we can do from Europe that your president Obama will be successful with his reform. Guess why? The competition between Europe and the USA would be more fair. Nowadays we in Europe have much higher non-wage-labor costs and less economic freedom than you in the USA. This will presumably change a bit if the Obama-reform succeeds and competition would become more fair. But it is NOT an Austrian/German/European decision - it is a decision of the people of the USA. Charles, only for information: not a single health care system in Europe works and this is an ongoing issue in Europe.

At least a link about German physicians working in other countries because they don’t earn enough money for a living:

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

And here two youtube links of a German documentation about “physician in Germany”

Charles go on with your good work,

best regards

zuckerlilly

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Cato - are those bags even leather? I thought they were coated canvas.

Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?

re: #133 Sharmuta

Seems she's logged out, so we won't be getting that clarification.

A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...

re: #124 debutaunt

Tow that line!

Ack! Hack! Spit!

Mercy! Mercy!

re: #132 Chekote

Great minds think alike. I posted this link on #21. How do you show titles? Still learning.

Titles?

You can copy and paste or type out the title.

Copy the URL for the link you want to use.

Go back to this window and highlight the title with your mouse.

Keeping it highlighted you click the button on the top right here with the two chain-links and past the URL and click OK.

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Some of them are supposedly leather - but see the other replies. The most common ones are coated canvas with leather-looking trim.

Nothing like paying $1,000-plus for status-y Naugahyde.

I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.

But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.

re: #135 Dianna

Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?

Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.

re: #115 Occasional Reader

re: #116 SixDegrees

re: #127 reloadingisnotahobby

How about updings all around?

Thanks for all the good wishes, Lizards. Tomorrow...shopping!

re: #136 wrenchwench

A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...

She's logged in now. (we're talking about Sue62 right)?

re: #139 Dianna

I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.

But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.

They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.

re: #138 Gus 802

Thanks. I will go to a dead thread and try it out.

re: #136 wrenchwench

A new, common tactic. Post something dramatic and log out right away. Of course, they could be at work or something...

True and true. But specifically asking me these questions makes me highly suspicious, as it would if she'd targeted Killgore.

re: #143 Cato the Elder

They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.

Yeah, right.

Admit it: You're gay.

/just harking back to an earlier thread

re: #142 Lee Coller

She's logged in now. (we're talking about Sue62 right)?

She's not- click on her football.

re: #135 Dianna

Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?

No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.

re: #147 Sharmuta

She's not- click on her football.

She shows up on the user list at the bottom of the comments section.

re: #140 Guanxi88

Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers.

Bizarre. You'd think people would beat down the doors for something like that (although for me, as noted above, it's not my thing, at least as luggage goes).

re: #135 Dianna

Gucci is the coated canvas one, isn't it?

On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?

re: #140 Guanxi88

Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.

Screw that approach. What you need to do is give a few away to carefully selected celebrities. Once someone snaps a pic of Paris Hilton throwing up into one of your handbags, you're on Easy Street.

re: #140 Guanxi88

Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.

You need to get some celebrity endorsement.
Like if you could convince Oprah (bad example but the only one I could come up with) to say that anyone reading the book she recommends should carry it around in a real, vegetable-tanned, American made, leather bag, your sales would go through the roof.

re: #130 Occasional Reader

I also have this funny idea that bags are supposed to protect what's inside them from the elements... not require protection themselves. Hence, I'm always puzzled by highly "finished" bags.

Nah. A bag is just a convenient place to stash...everything. I should know.

I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase. When my shoulder threatens to never work again, I'll go into "bag so tiny I can barely get my fingers into it" phase; I'll recover from that one when I can't get my phone out...

re: #142 Lee Coller

She's logged in now. (we're talking about Sue62 right)?

re: #147 Sharmuta

She's not- click on her football.

Ah, greater lag time on the "Show Users" button than on the football.

And I see today that the other McCain is cozying up with Baron Bodisey from the Gates of Vienna and even reprinting his love letters from the Baron.

But it would be even better if the fallout of the 2007 Brussels conference -- in which he egregiously slandered the Sweden Democrats and Vlaams Belang -- were prominently rehashed.
Those people are my friends, and I would like to see their names publicly cleared in the American blogosphere. Better late than never.

To which RSM ponders..

And I'm becoming seriously interested in investigating the activities of these European parties for myself.

How much is a ticket to Brussels? Everybody hit the tip jar!

Go right ahead RSM, and pimp for Vlaams Belang and pretend there are no ties to the neo-Nazis in Europe. Go do your research in Brussels and get back with us when you want to make your case. Fool.

re: #149 Lee Coller

She shows up on the user list at the bottom of the comments section.

And I believe there is a delay on that list. Click her football and it doesn't show the "logged in" note.

re: #134 zuckerlilly

The “Gesundheitsreform of 2007"

Bless you for finding this link.

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Random thought of the day:

If I ever become a con man, I'm going to prey exclusively on women with Louis Vuitton bags. Because nothing say "use me, I'm a dim, rich, gullible follower-type" than a hugely overpriced, ugly leather bag with its maker's initials all over it to turn you into a walking, inadvertently self-mocking billboard.

Of course, I'll have to learn to tell the real deal from a knockoff.

"It's a genuine Louie Vatoon."
-T. Soprano

re: #151 Guanxi88

On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?

Heh-heh.
It's a secret plot. The celebs have to keep buying things that are more and more expensive to stay ahead, and one day they will all be broke.

re: #139 Dianna

I'm afraid to ask this, really, I am.

But, how do you know what they cost? I'm female, and haven't the faintest idea.

If you have to ask, you can't afford them.
/

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Bizarre. You'd think people would beat down the doors for something like that (although for me, as noted above, it's not my thing, at least as luggage goes).

I see the retailers' point, of course - they need reliable supply, large quantities, and they need it dirt-cheap. Sadly, customers are not well-educated on these things, and so they don't know that what they really want and need they can't get from coated canvas, irrespective of the name stamped on it.

re: #148 reine.de.tout

No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.

You are probably right to assume the vast majority of LV you see is fake.

[Link:wikipedia.org... ]

Louis Vuitton is one of the most counterfeited brands in the fashion world due to its image as a status symbol. Only a small fraction of products bearing the LV initials in the general population are authentic. Ironically, the signature Monogram Canvas was created to prevent counterfeiting.[6] In 2004, Louis Vuitton fakes accounted for 18% of counterfeit accessories seized in the European Union.

re: #143 Cato the Elder

They opened a store in my home town and the papers were full of prices.

Wow! That's pretty ridiculous.

re: #154 Dianna

Nah. A bag is just a convenient place to stash...everything. I should know.

I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase. When my shoulder threatens to never work again, I'll go into "bag so tiny I can barely get my fingers into it" phase; I'll recover from that one when I can't get my phone out...

I'm in a "I want to carry a smaller bag but always find myself with a large one because everything ends up in there" phase.

re: #151 Guanxi88

On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point

I agree, up to a point. I am fully in favor of mass-produced TRUE "luxuries" being available widely and cheaply. That is, high-quality goods and services. And one of the wonders of the free market economy is its ability to produce and distribute "luxuries" on such a huge scale.

But I agree that mass-market luxury BRANDING is kind of odd.

re: #152 SixDegrees

re: #153 Kosh's Shadow

GMTA. Time to pull out my rolodex and see who'd be willing to take an unsolicited gift.

Gotta think, who's a leader in fashion, upon whose judgment so many others rely, and who'd be willing to take my stuff?

Oprah? Doubt it, and I imagine her staffers are swamped with rejected stuff anyway.

Michelle Obama? Stuff's not weird enough.

Maybe the Bush family ladies? I think I have an idea...

re: #162 Guanxi88

I see the retailers' point, of course - they need reliable supply, large quantities, and they need it dirt-cheap. Sadly, customers are not well-educated on these things, and so they don't know that what they really want and need they can't get from coated canvas, irrespective of the name stamped on it.

Awhile back, I checked out your webpage and the bags there.
The challenge is that where I live, it rains so often and so much and sometimes, unexpectedly - an every-day leather bag can be spotted up and ruined quickly.

re: #154 Dianna

I go through phases. I am currently in "huge bag with many pockets" phase.

Understandable, you need all that room for your spare mags.

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Yeah, that's the thing about leather - ya gotta care for it, and it aint' perfect (especially veg-tanned) for everyday use. Oil-tanned would be, but it's gotta an oily hand that a lot of ladies don't dig.

re: #151 Guanxi88

On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?

Tommy Hilfiger is the best example.

re: #168 reine.de.tout

it rains so often and so much and sometimes, unexpectedly - an every-day leather bag can be spotted up and ruined quickly.

Exactly my point (above). I want my bag/luggage to work for me, not vice versa. Even if it's not as pretty as others.

re: #166 Occasional Reader

I agree, up to a point. I am fully in favor of mass-produced TRUE "luxuries" being available widely and cheaply. That is, high-quality goods and services. And one of the wonders of the free market economy is its ability to produce and distribute "luxuries" on such a huge scale.

But I agree that mass-market luxury BRANDING is kind of odd.

There are so many things that are luxuries when we compare ourselves to the rest of the world, that are considered "necessities" here.
The latest cell phone
a home computer
a laptop computer
huge HD television sets
iPod
the list goes on and on.

re: #167 Guanxi88

re: #153 Kosh's Shadow

GMTA. Time to pull out my rolodex and see who'd be willing to take an unsolicited gift.

Gotta think, who's a leader in fashion, upon whose judgment so many others rely, and who'd be willing to take my stuff?

Oprah? Doubt it, and I imagine her staffers are swamped with rejected stuff anyway.

Michelle Obama? Stuff's not weird enough.

Maybe the Bush family ladies? I think I have an idea...

Well, Guanix88 suggested Paris Hilton, and I thought her cell phoneinformation was hacked a while ago.
//

re: #172 Occasional Reader

Exactly my point (above). I want my bag/luggage to work for me, not vice versa. Even if it's not as pretty as others.

You have a Jack Bauer bag, don't you?

re: #171 Ben Hur

Tommy Hilfiger is the best example.

One which also illustrates the sociologically fascinating, and uniquely American, "ghetto fabulous" pheonomenon.

re: #173 reine.de.tout

There are so many things that are luxuries when we compare ourselves to the rest of the world, that are considered "necessities" here.
The latest cell phone
a home computer
a laptop computer
huge HD television sets
iPod
the list goes on and on.

Funny thing is, the "poor" in America have many of those things

re: #140 Guanxi88

Hell, they ALL are! I've been trying to gin up interest in full-grain, vegetable tanned leather goods made by hand in the USA and can't even get a call-back from retailers. They're too interested in the quantity to appreciate the quality, and I simply can't tell Joe in Montana that he needs to be able to supply about 200 a month for 1/10th the price to remain competitive with those who machine-stitch coated canvas in robotic factories.

Do you do briefcases?

re: #156 mich-again

And I see today that the other McCain is cozying up with Baron Bodisey from the Gates of Vienna and even reprinting his love letters from the Baron.

Go right ahead RSM, and pimp for Vlaams Belang and pretend there are no ties to the neo-Nazis in Europe. Go do your research in Brussels and get back with us when you want to make your case. Fool.

He's not a fool - he's a racist and a white supremacist and he's very consciously trying to promote European fascist groups in the right wing blogosphere.

With the current climate, he may have some success.

re: #176 Occasional Reader

One which also illustrates the sociologically fascinating, and uniquely American, "ghetto fabulous" pheonomenon.

Exactly my point.

re: #175 Ben Hur

You have a Jack Bauer bag, don't you?

It's called a "man bag," thank you.

re: #108 Cato the Elder

LOL!
They're "coated canvas" with leather trim! They're not even leather!

re: #178 Creeping Eruption

Do you do briefcases?

My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).

re: #175 Ben Hur

You have a Jack Bauer bag, don't you?

A feller could have himself a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff.

re: #151 Guanxi88

On the subject, the idea of mass-produced luxury goods has always bothered me. What's the point, if it's something every other moron around you can have? It's not exclusive, then, is it? It's just a more expensive version of what the plebs carry, and who wants that?

I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.

Not a Walden, is it? I covet those, and have tried for years to get the fellow to let me carry his owrk.

re: #170 Guanxi88

but it's got an oily hand that a lot of ladies don't dig.

Tell me about it.

/sigh

Spider-Man lookalike lizard is latest exotic pet craze

re: #165 reine.de.tout

I'm in a "I want to carry a smaller bag but always find myself with a large one because everything ends up in there" phase.

*Gloomy sigh*

Yeah, that's how I got to my "huge bag of many pockets" phase, this time. I got tired of trying to manage two hard bound books and a paperback.

re: #137 Dianna

Ack! Hack! Spit!

Mercy! Mercy!

I think they are actually teaching 'tow the line' in school. It is used so commonly.

re: #181 SixDegrees

It's called a "man bag," thank you.

"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.

re: #189 Dianna

*Gloomy sigh*

Yeah, that's how I got to my "huge bag of many pockets" phase, this time. I got tired of trying to manage two hard bound books and a paperback.

psst - try the Kindle. It's great.

re: #183 Guanxi88

My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).

I like Made in the USA myself

re: #191 Guanxi88

"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.

I'm not sure if anyone is just trying to make a joke or something, but there is a product called ManBag and I have one. Used it last week on my trip to the Hamptons on Long Island.

Perhaps this has been posted already but...
Buy this man a drink

Keep on moving, Moammar.

Agents for the terrorist-coddling Libyan strongman Moammar Khadafy were met with a strong-arm from a real-estate broker they approached to rent a posh Upper East Side townhouse for his visit to the city this week.

The broker, with characteristic New York chutzpah, told them to take a hike back to the desert.

"They kept asking, 'What would be the price? What would be the price?' I thought about it and said, 'Why don't you send Megrahi back to Scotland, and then maybe we can work something out.' They hung up on me immediately," said Jason Haber, a broker for Prudential Douglas Elliman.

re: #169 Occasional Reader

Understandable, you need all that room for your spare mags.

Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!

re: #181 SixDegrees

It's called a "man bag," thank you.

It s a Murse.

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

I'm with you. After I graduated I splurged on a briefcase (I use everyday). Inside it says: "1 of 2." It is not designer - no one would recognize the maker, but it is hand made.

Different strokes, I guess. While I can admire the beauty and workmanship of such an item, I prefer my mass-produced but high-quality, voluminous, water-repellent, nearly-indestructible Victorinox briefcase.

re: #195 bosforus

And the pooch as well.

Walter has a Murse.

re: #190 debutaunt

I think they are actually teaching 'tow the line' in school. It is used so commonly.

But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.

That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!

re: #118 reine.de.tout

It may seem hard to understand, but yes (for the moment). The time is not yet right for a leader to emerge.

Many people that voted in this last election do not remember Jimmy Carter's administration so they did not realize fully what would happen if Obama was elected. Some of our "leaders" did try to explain what could happen under an Obama administration (Palin, Cheney, etc.) and you know full well how they were ridiculed by so many. When Bobby Jindall was given his chance to speak to a national audience he was ridiculed even on this board. If a conservative leader were to step up now how many of us would attack him or her on this board right away because we did not believe some of the things he/she does? No one is perfect (especially politicians) and no one candidate can easily have exactly the same views as we do.

Like I said, easy to attack the messenger rather than the message.

The tea party protests are a good start--yes, any protest will always bring out the loons--but many of these people protesting are normal people that may not have ever taken part in any kind of protest. When the administration and the MSM dismiss or worse -- DIMINISH -- the people who either attended these protests or at least agree with issues causing them then the people begin to actually see the situation.

Since the Left has no one to attack (other than Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Cheney, Bush, etc. who have no real political control whatsoever) who will they attack? Will they attack the conservative message? Probably not--it is much harder to debate the message than it is to employ personal attacks.

This will drive more people (independents) to find out for themselves what they personally believe in. More people will read books such as the "death of conservatism" and "Liberty and Tyranny". More people will seek knowledge for themselves and know what they would like to see for the future of this country.

We know many of the things that "we" don't want (more taxes, fewer jobs, less freedom) but what do "we" want?

We are not sheep who will willingly follow a leader--we need to know what we want and where we want to go before we will follow anyone there.

For those looking to get a truly utilitarian and sturdy leather bag or case, I'd suggest you consider horsehide, oil-tanned, but not hot-stuffed. Great material, when you can find it, and wears quite well.

For those with big bucks to drop, look for Russia Leather, it was called - calf-skin tanned with birch-tar. Virtually indestructible, and one of the only types of leather ever to be recovered from shipwrecks intact. I haven't found anybody dealing in it in anything like my price ranges, but I know it exists.

re: #201 Dianna

But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.

That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!

Better take the pet out before it peeves, then.

re: #200 Ben Hur

Walter has a Murse.

No I don't, I have a ManBag. It's an actual product name, not a joke.

re: #191 Guanxi88

"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.

I watched "24" for a couple of seasons, starting in season 3 (I think). To get caught up with past episodes, I read a bunch of the summaries at [Link: www.televisionwithoutpity.com...]

Hilarious. They were actually better than the show in many cases.

re: #200 Ben Hur

Walter has a Murse.

MANBAG...

[Link: www.manbag.com...]

re: #186 Guanxi88

Not a Walden, is it? I covet those, and have tried for years to get the fellow to let me carry his owrk.

Mitchell Leather Factory

re: #201 Dianna

But it's not correct, and it drives me absolutely bats.

That pet peeve is once again in need of exercise!

I can't imagine why it is in such common usage - I'm with ya!

re: #183 Guanxi88

My guys do. You looking for made in USA, or made in South Africa (don't ask, it's a long, long story).

Needless to say, Argentina is also a great place for hand-made leather goods. (I was just in BA this weekend, and was sorely tempted to blow some cash.)

re: #129 zuckerlilly

re: #134 zuckerlilly

Thank you for the information.

First off: I didn't know you were such a sensitive little plant. The term "bullshit" is not a curse word here in the US, unless you're a pearl-clutcher. I never took you for that sort. And of course I know that "Bullenscheiße" is not a real word in German. It was a joke, the direct, painfully wrong translation of English "BS". Now that I know you take offense so easily, I'll refrain from using such standard LGF terminology as "fact-checking your ass" in any back-and-forth with you. In fact, I withdrew them and substituted neutral words on the original thread, but apparently you can't be bothered to acknowledge that here. Please accept my apology.

Second: I read/speak/write German and read the German press (specifically the Frankfurter Allgemeine) daily, so I have some standing to be surprised at a statement (from your original post: "If a German physician e.g. an internist, has 3 patients with HIV his budget is eaten up, because the budgets of German physicians are limited. Now comes a fourth HIV patient and wants a treatment. What to do? The physician can either say “look for another physician” and refuse to treat her/him or she/he can pay her/his treatment out of his own pocket (!) including drugs from the pharmacy") about which I have not read a murmur. Perhaps I missed it. I'm not merely someone with no clue about Germany and its political-social debates who came at you because your statement didn't correlate with my preconceived notions.

Third: I seriously wanted to be instructed, because my personal experience with the German system is two decades old and thus admittedly useless. I'm sorry if my responses upset you, and I thank you for the opportunity to study the above-linked materials. I reserve judgment as to whether they prove the statement you made. If they do, I will publicly say so.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to fact-check your assertion testimony.

As an aside, allow me to say that your concluding remark, "not a single health care system in Europe works [...]" is another one of those bold pronouncements that lead me to suspect an ideological bias on your part. I won't ask you to prove it.

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

MANBAG...

[Link: www.manbag.com...]

Murse...

re: #193 Creeping Eruption

I like Made in the USA myself

Me too, but those South Africans do some mighty fine work. The American-made stuff is made in Montana and West Virginia. The WV stuff is very workman-like, and more to my taste, while the Montana stuff is just a bit too "Western" for my taste.

re: #202 starsfan914

You end with this:

We are not sheep who will willingly follow a leader--we need to know what we want and where we want to go before we will follow anyone there.

And yet you said this:

The tea party protests are a good start

Did you happen to notice who the leaders of those were?

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure if anyone is just trying to make a joke or something, but there is a product called ManBag and I have one. Used it last week on my trip to the Hamptons on Long Island.

At least it's a better look than a fanny pack...

re: #196 Dianna

Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items

"Kinky."

-Hedley Lamarr

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Needless to say, Argentina is also a great place for hand-made leather goods. (I was just in BA this weekend, and was sorely tempted to blow some cash.)

Yeah, but I haven't found anyone down there yet I trust enough, or who trusts me enough. I've got contacts for the whacked-out luxury leather goods (minimum order 10,000.00 USD), but these days, there's not a lot of interest in that particular segment.

re: #215 SummerSong

At least it's a better look than a fanny pack...

Which is something ENTIRELY different in Britain!

re: #209 debutaunt

I can't imagine why it is in such common usage - I'm with ya!

People rely on spell-check, which can't tell the difference, and there's also ignorance of the origin of the phrase.

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

MANBAG...

[Link: www.manbag.com...]

That's a murse.

re: #221 SixDegrees

That's a murse.

LOL!

re: #197 Creeping Eruption

It s a Murse.

That's not a Murse, this is a Murse.

re: #196 Dianna

Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!

Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.

re: #217 Guanxi88

Yeah, but I haven't found anyone down there yet I trust enough

Neither have the Argentinians!

re: #188 Ben Hur

Spider-Man lookalike lizard is latest exotic pet craze

He's cool lookin'

This is a Man Bag.

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.

Dunno, I think it depends on your income, tastes, and such. For me, $4K is a good chunk; for others, maybe not.

That said, you could find many worse uses for the cash.

re: #226 Killgore Trout

He's cool lookin'

Very.

I'm no fan of keeping "exotic pets" though.

re: #148 reine.de.tout

No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.

And most women I know wouldn't buy a real one if they could. It's a ridiculous thing to waste money on. For a lot less, you can get an absolutely beautiful all-leather Coach bag that will last for years.

The Vuitton ones are just fashionista nahrishkeit.

re: #227 SixDegrees

This is a Man Bag.

And this is a Bagman.

re: #227 SixDegrees

This is a Man Bag.

Wow. Even posts about Jack Bauer come out as raspy whispers...

re: #231 Guanxi88

And this is a Bagman.

Up ding for any Rogue Trooper Reference.

re: #229 Ben Hur

Very.

I'm no fan of keeping "exotic pets" though.

We're not talking "wake up the Gimp", are we?

re: #188 Ben Hur

Spider-Man lookalike lizard is latest exotic pet craze

And I thought Spidey and The Lizard(He's number 6 in the list) were just enemies. Maybe it was just a bitter divorce.

re: #234 Occasional Reader
Zed? Zeds dead!

re: #188 Ben Hur

Spider-Man lookalike lizard is latest exotic pet craze

Somebody will learn how to make a freakin' handbag out of it...

re: #227 SixDegrees

This is a Man Bag.

Note the Modified Isosceles stance. My personal fave.

/I AM JACK BAUER!

re: #148 reine.de.tout

No, a lot of the LV ones are coated canvas with leather trim. Very easy to find legal knock-offs at "reasonable prices" (that is, less than LV). When I see someone with an LV bag, which is quite often, I always assume it's fake. Most folks couldn't afford a real one.

There's a novel by Naomi Ragen in which a rabbi's young and shallow wife starts a 'chesed project' where she's going to collect used designer handbags to send to Israeli terror victims. Knockoffs from New York's Chinatown eventually feature into the plot.

re: #179 Charles

I like it when the Baron tries to explain Christianity through the eyes of a racist. For example, that stuff about "Love your neighbor". The Baron's take is laughable. Jesus was a Xenophobe!

So let’s consider the biblical justifications “Christian” multiculturalists use to support their positions. I’ll pick the most likely candidates.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Mark 12:31)

Notice that Christ was asking us to love our neighbors. In the original context, this meant His fellow Jews — not the Greeks, nor the Romans, nor the fishermen of Lampedusa. Your neighbor, the fellow who lives over the hill from you, is the one you are required to love and watch out for. You are not responsible for the well-being of the residents of Aquitania or Cappadocia.

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

MANBAG...

[Link: www.manbag.com...]

Don't that model look... uh... manly...

I have a leather LV bag, years old now. Still looks great. A gift from my mother.

OT:

Everyone remember Dominique de Villepin (who is a man)? Well, he's on trial here in France since today for trying to illegally hurt (politcally) Sarkozy during the election.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Figured you all might wanna read that. =)

re: #234 Occasional Reader

We're not talking "wake up the Gimp", are we?

Insane.

I almost wrote (non-human) exotic pets, in my post.

So, from sobbing, weepy Glen Beck we devolve into a discussion of leather accessories. What sorta freaks are we, anyway?

re: #191 Guanxi88

"Jack Sac," is an acceptable alternative.

That is much better than 'murse'.

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't that model look... uh... manly...

He looks like a Star Trek:TNG extraterrestrial, what with that weird forehead.

I note that the photo is shot at Ronald Reagan National, my favorite airport.

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

That is much better than 'murse'.

Grip, satchel, loculus, any number of terms.

re: #243 Summer

I saw his name earlier today and that same phrase (who is a man) came to mind. Inextricably linked.

re: #196 Dianna

Were I the sort to reveal where I would carry such items, it would not be in the huge bag of many pockets. I'd never find them!

Ann Richards, in regard to a concealed-carry law, once said "Now, y'all know that I am not a sexist, but I don't know a single woman in Texas who could find a gun in her handbag.

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Ann Richards, in regard to a concealed-carry law, once said "Now, y'all know that I am not a sexist, but I don't know a single woman in Texas who could find a gun in her handbag.

Funny thing - I did not share most of her political stances, but liked and defended her to other conservatives, on the grounds that as a Texan, she was intrinsically closer to the conservative ideal in most ways than were many Republicans from other states.

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Which reminds me: I'm startin' to jones for a Wilson Combat M1911 in Commander-size. I need to be talked out of it. Dropping four thousand bucks on a handgun just seems many different kinds of stupid.

If you've got four thousand dollars to spend, OR, I shan't tell you how to use it.

But it does seem excessive, unless you're shooting competitively.

re: #250 mich-again

I saw his name earlier today and that same phrase (who is a man) came to mind. Inextricably linked.

lol yea that's never, ever, leaving my mind. =)