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1 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:02:22pm

Why don't they just describe your views and leave it to the reader to judge where you fall on the political spectrum?

2 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:04:09pm

Countdown for blogs to post about Charles posting about himself...

3 Racer X  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:04:50pm

Charles Johnson (Lizard)

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:05:17pm

The newest meme going around the wingnut blogs is that I've "attacked" Michelle Malkin -- based on a couple of comments I posted in the middle of long threads.

I really haven't even started to get into that one yet. But the research is proceeding.

5 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:05:28pm

Its easy. Anti-Idiotarian.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:06:12pm

CNN is asking whether Muammar Gadafi has lost his mind.

They're just noticing now?

7 rwmofo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #4 Charles

The newest meme going around the wingnut blogs is that I've "attacked" Michelle Malkin -- based on a couple of comments I posted in the middle of long threads.

I really haven't even started to get into that one yet. But the research is proceeding.

Maybe you can launch a reality show: "When Lizards Attack!"

8 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:08:42pm
Wikipedia’s editors are trying to figure out how to categorize Little Green Footballs.

Funky fusion, with a dash of straight-ahead.

9 Gus  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:13:15pm

I see they're referring to some of the comments or commentators from 2002 to 2003.

Interesting because we know that we can point to some left blogs that would cast them in an extremist light based on comments or sub-blogs from that era.

Who defines LGF?

10 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:16:59pm

Are the stalker blogs mentioned?

11 Eric57  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:18:47pm

Oh boy, someone on there is already starting with the Hitler comparisons. Also, I don't post here often, if ever, but I just wanted to drop a line and say, "Keep up the good work Charles.". I may walk away from this website shaking my head sometimes (lately I have been shaking my head about the crazy that has infected the GOP) but it always gives me food for thought as opposed to the garbage spouted by the talking heads that seem to dominate politics today.

12 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:19:18pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Maybe you can launch a reality show: "When Lizards Attack!"

It's been done.


Youtube Video
13 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:19:22pm

re: #4 Charles

The newest meme going around the wingnut blogs is that I've "attacked" Michelle Malkin -- based on a couple of comments I posted in the middle of long threads.

I really haven't even started to get into that one yet. But the research is proceeding.

So far I haven't seen anything new. Pointing out facts is now an attack. If people didn't know until recently that VDARE is racist, that's certainly not your fault.

14 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:21:08pm

re: #6 Charles

CNN is asking whether Muammar Gadafi has lost his mind.

They're just noticing now?

Well, they have been treating him as a legitimate leader of a country, all while treating Israel as wholly illegitimate... /

15 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:22:26pm

re: #4 Charles

The newest meme going around the wingnut blogs is that I've "attacked" Michelle Malkin -- based on a couple of comments I posted in the middle of long threads.

I really haven't even started to get into that one yet. But the research is proceeding.

Michelle is every racist white boy's excuse for why he can't be a racist. "But I dig this hot Asian chick!"

16 rwmofo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #12 MandyManners

Heh. He'll be reminded of that for a long time.

17 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:23:24pm

Where are they getting libertarian? Isn't that really far right? As in Ron Paul?

I don't know why they have such a hard time accepting "Independent."

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:26:54pm

re: #11 Eric57

Oh boy, someone on there is already starting with the Hitler comparisons.

I'm glad they pointed out those comments, because it gave me a chance to delete them. Those comments were posted years before registration, and at a point when I simply could not read the thousands of comments being posted every day, and we had no tools for people to report them. They wouldn't have lasted five minutes nowadays, and now I've finally deleted them.

Thanks, Wikipedia Hitlermongers, for helping me clean up these old, old comments.

Also, I don't post here often, if ever, but I just wanted to drop a line and say, "Keep up the good work Charles.". I may walk away from this website shaking my head sometimes (lately I have been shaking my head about the crazy that has infected the GOP) but it always gives me food for thought as opposed to the garbage spouted by the talking heads that seem to dominate politics today.

Thank you very much for the kind words.

19 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:26:58pm

re: #4 Charles

The newest meme going around the wingnut blogs is that I've "attacked" Michelle Malkin -- based on a couple of comments I posted in the middle of long threads.

It is getting like Fatal Attraction out there. They are obsessed with boiling your rabbits, Charles.

20 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:27:05pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

Where are they getting libertarian? Isn't that really far right? As in Ron Paul?

I don't know why they have such a hard time accepting "Independent."

Depends on the issue. There are left and right libertarians. Bill Maher, for instance, called himself a libertarian at one time - some believe because of his passion to have pot legalized.

There's also economic vs social libertarianism, so it can really run the spectrum.

Probably the most publicized libertarian these days is Ron Paul though, although technically he ran as an R.

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:28:19pm

re: #19 karmic_inquisitor

It is getting like Fatal Attraction out there. They are obsessed with boiling your rabbits, Charles.

They're reading every word I post. Another word for this is "stalking."

Hiya, stalkers! How ya doin' tonight?

22 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:29:23pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Michelle is every racist white boy's excuse for why he can't be a racist. "But I dig this hot Asian creationist chick!"

23 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:30:51pm

re: #6 Charles

CNN is asking whether Muammar Gadafi has lost his mind.

They're just noticing now?

Oh good...in six years or when Tel-Aviv is a smoking pile of radioactive slag and ash (whichever comes first) they might get around to the 'Has Achmedinejahd lost his mind?' question.

24 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:32:57pm

I think it's a little much to say conservative blogs are delinking LGF. Kookservative blogs have, but that's a good thing, imo.

25 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:33:10pm

After seeing so many references to the "falling out" between Charles Johnson and Robert Spencer as being like Mommy and Daddy getting a divorce, I can't help thinking RS McCain must be Spencer's rebound relationship. That would help explain his hasty dropping of the mask.

26 Waif  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:34:41pm

That you're not spewing predigested right wing talking points is the very reason I keep reading you, Charles. As a liberal and a democrat, I appreciate intelligent opposition and honest critique and you've always been one of the few I can count on to offer just that. Thank you. Don't back down.

27 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:34:51pm

Charles, any news on the Scarborough gig?

28 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:36:09pm

If anything, I think LGF should be described as politically contrarian.

29 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:36:45pm

Charles -

"Whaddabout?" "- CHARLES JOHNSON - INDEPENDENT THINKER-"

I will go for that, even when I disagree with you, which seems to be a bit more often lately.

Off the subject - Picasa 3.5 is out, Downloaded it today, Face Recognition Feature works well - I am properly amazed/impressed to find something like this in "freeware' - proper kudos to Picasa/Google, some of the recognition was based on my secretary's Digital Concepts/Sakar "Digital Box Camera" - a "Bluie" analogous to the old "Brownie" from Kodak!

-S-

30 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:36:49pm

re: #20 Pianobuff

Depends on the issue. There are left and right libertarians. Bill Maher, for instance, called himself a libertarian at one time - some believe because of his passion to have pot legalized.

There's also economic vs social libertarianism, so it can really run the spectrum.

Probably the most publicized libertarian these days is Ron Paul though, although technically he ran as an R.

He had to run as an R though, or he wouldn't have picked up any votes.

I've tried to get a definition of libertarian over the years and mostly I've described it as Ron Paul. I've never seen liberal libertarians, unless you think "no taxes" is a liberal, i.e. hippy, kinda idea. Does Ron Paul want to legalize pot? Hmmm, then we do have something in common!

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:37:51pm

LGF should be listed as anti-idiotarian.

32 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:39:41pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

LGF should be listed as anti-idiotarian.

I think the Idiotarian of the Year award is sure to go to a righty nutball this year. As it should.

33 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:40:07pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

LGF should be listed as anti-idiotarian.

Yeah, they did seem to think "self-identification" was an important criterion. But that and Ringo's "politically contrarian" just aren't "pigeon-holey" enough for folks who want to label people.

34 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:40:28pm

re: #28 Ringo the Gringo

If anything, I think LGF should be described as politically contrarian.

I still like anti-idiotarian, because LGF is never knee-jerk contrary; it takes its positions for good, rational, and evidence-supported reasons, and regardless of whether others agree or disagree.

35 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:40:44pm

Looking at the comments on the wiki, it seems that assertions about Charles' position on a political spectrum tell us more about the person making the assertion then about Charles.

36 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:41:45pm

What does "fag pure fag" mean?

37 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:42:42pm

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

Looking at the comments on the wiki, it seems that assertions about Charles' position on a political spectrum tell us more about the person making the assertion then about Charles.

Indeed. If a man can be judged by his enemies, then it seems to me that "independent" is the only label they could truly give Charles as he has enemies on both the left and the right.

38 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:42:52pm

re: #27 Pianobuff

Charles, any news on the Scarborough gig?

Trying to work out a time -- they're live on the east coast pretty danged early. It might be on his radio show instead.

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:43:01pm

Independent blogger, eh? That's crazy talk! Everyone knows that blogging consists of mindlessly supporting your side while criticizing the other. The only time a blogger would criticize his own side is scream that they aren't extreme enough and to purge those pesky moderates with their common sense real world practical solutions.
If a blogger were to be independent then who would decide what they think? They'd have to make up their own opinions. That's just silly.

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:43:49pm

re: #36 Naso Tang

What does "fag pure fag" mean?

Wha?

41 researchok  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:44:12pm

LGF is first and foremost a community who for the most part, is made up of people for whom thinking is a priority as opposed to a community of ideologues. It's messy at times, mostly loud and always satisfying.

Sharmuta is right- LGF should be listed as anti-idiotarian.

42 researchok  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:44:50pm

re: #40 Charles

Wha?

Says that at bottom of wiki page.

43 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:44:59pm

re: #40 Charles

Wha?

Charles -

Perhaps those "Native Spirit" Cigarettes?

-S-

44 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:45:03pm

re: #38 Charles

Trying to work out a time -- they're live on the east coast pretty danged early. It might be on his radio show instead.

Aww. They can't tape you and show it later? I think it would be good for the blog to have you on television.

45 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:45:04pm

re: #34 Salamantis

I still like anti-idiotarian, because LGF is never knee-jerk contrary; it takes its positions for good, rational, and evidence-supported reasons, and regardless of whether others agree or disagree.

As an amendment of sorts - there are assumptions. There have to be assumptions because the facts aren't always known. What distinguishes this blog is that when facts become available that contradict or modify the assumption then things change.

That versus the whole "there must be a conspiracy" reaction that comes from the cognitive dissonance yielded from one not admitting that s/he was wrong.

46 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #42 researchok

Says that at bottom of wiki page.

I don't see that -- link?

47 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:47:46pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

Aww. They can't tape you and show it later? I think it would be good for the blog to have you on television.

I suggested webcam -- I have a high def webcam. But I think they may not be ready for that technically.

It's only MSNBC. Can't expect too much. Ahem.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:48:20pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

So far I haven't seen anything new. Pointing out facts is now an attack. If people didn't know until recently that VDARE is racist, that's certainly not your fault.

Certainly not VDARE's, either, despite their pussy-footing definition-mongering at their website.

49 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:48:30pm

Charles, you fiend. I just hit "hit the tip jar" while aiming for the comments number. So I hit the tip jar.

You're going to be rich...rich, I tell you!

And by the way, thanks for years of sanity amidst a world of hurl-worthy madness.

50 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:48:36pm

Humanism coupled with a love of music, prose, poetry and a deep appreciation for scientific advancment, and spiced up with an appreciation for being an American leads one politically to ...

Hell, I don't know...

51 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

Looking at the comments on the wiki, it seems that assertions about Charles' position on a political spectrum tell us more about the person making the assertion then about Charles.

The fact that they allow some anonymous, flounce probably, to cherry pick posts from 7 years ago is telling, as is the absence of any discussion of how inclusive the term "conservative" can be. They seem to think that is two parties say they are conservative and a third is not, then the two win and the third must be a libertarian, if not a commie.

No consideration of the possibility that the first two are malignant mutations.

52 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #47 Charles

Charles -

"Hi-Def" webcam? We of the 1.3 Mp salute you. Pray tell, Make and Model?

-S-

53 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

He had to run as an R though, or he wouldn't have picked up any votes.

I've tried to get a definition of libertarian over the years and mostly I've described it as Ron Paul. I've never seen liberal libertarians, unless you think "no taxes" is a liberal, i.e. hippy, kinda idea. Does Ron Paul want to legalize pot? Hmmm, then we do have something in common!

Economic libertarian - Definitely more of the Ron Paul type. Wildly free markets to the extent that a hardcore econ libertarian would support having currency privatized.

A social libertarian, on the other hand, is going to be rabidly pro-choice (unlike Ron Paul who is pro-life), pro-drug legalization, pretty much keep the government out of every decision one makes that doesn't cause public harm. Depending on the type of decisions, these can fall on both sides. Drug legalization, gay marriage, and choice are three examples of a left libertarian viewpoint. It just so happens these issues are also part of mainstream liberal thinking but that doesn't make them any less libertarian in how the positions are formulated/rationalized.

Most people, whether they care to admit it or not, have some issues where they might be labelled a "small l" libertarian. There's nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.


Ron Paul is definitely an economic libertarian, but where social and foreign policy are concerned, he is a little more paleo-con. You'll note that Ron Paul is getting attention now for his economic positions. In foreign policy he's very much of an isolationist that many R's kind of laughed at him during an early presidential debate. That, actually, made him a quasi-darling of the left. Before I get pounced on that statement, I'll admit that I'm probably putting that a little strongly, but he was at least a curiosity that gave D's good 'neener-neener' ammo to the R's.

All of this is just my opinion though, so take it for what it's worth.

54 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:50:52pm

re: #40 Charles

Wha?

Didn't you read the Wiki? It's the last words on the page.

55 researchok  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:50:54pm

re: #46 Charles

I don't see that -- link?

Gone now. Was there, though.

One of your many admirers and intellectual peers, no doubt.

56 The Curmudgeon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:50:57pm

How is Wikipedia gonna figure Charles out? I'm here and I don't know what this place is about half the time. I don't always agree with Charles, but this is one of the few places around where no one seems flat-out crazy. And that's worth a lot.

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:51:09pm

re: #49 Cato the Elder

Charles, you fiend. I just hit "hit the tip jar" while aiming for the comments number. So I hit the tip jar.

You're going to be rich...rich, I tell you!

And by the way, thanks for years of sanity amidst a world of hurl-worthy madness.

Thank you for the support, and the donation. It's only going to get weirder from here on out.

58 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:51:22pm

Hot Air: Will the US join Canada in A’jad walkout?;

When Canada walks out, it seems extremely unlikely that they will have their southern neighbors joining them — which will be a sorry day indeed for the United States.


No update?? Sorry reality didn't match the agenda, sport.

59 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:53:36pm

re: #54 Naso Tang

Didn't you read the Wiki? It's the last words on the page.

I see this:

This page was last modified on 24 September 2009 at 00:40.

which means it has been altered in the future, I guess.

60 bj  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:53:38pm

So with all the controversy, Charles, you gonna do a make-over .. new do? Change to gold bicycle chains? Wear a neon Lizard Helmet? Start using a WalMart throw-away camera? Tell all, fella. LOL

61 Gus  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:53:40pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Hot Air: Will the US join Canada in A’jad walkout?;


No update?? Sorry reality didn't match the agenda, sport.

Don't worry. They'll update it.

///Crickets

//

62 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:54:33pm

re: #56 The Curmudgeon

How is Wikipedia gonna figure Charles out? I'm here and I don't know what this place is about half the time. I don't always agree with Charles, but this is one of the few places around where no one seems flat-out crazy. And that's worth a lot.

Let's put it another way; when someone proves to be flat-out crazy, they don't last here for long...;~)

63 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:55:31pm

re: #52 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

"Hi-Def" webcam? We of the 1.3 Mp salute you. Pray tell, Make and Model?

-S-

This one: Logitech Webcam Pro 9000. Does 720p, and iChat will use it at that resolution. (Ignore the bad Mac OS review -- it works great with Snow Leopard.)

64 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:56:05pm

re: #53 Pianobuff

Pianobuff -

Good call. Ron Paul's views on Foreign Policy are 1880's. The USA is a Great Power by any definition. With such power comes responsibilities. That is Congressman Paul's biggest failing, Garfield died a couple of miles up the road from my office in Elberon, NJ (Part of Long Branch) - Rep. Paul would have been a great Chester A. Arthur. That is all.

-S-

65 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:56:12pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Hot Air: Will the US join Canada in A’jad walkout?;


No update?? Sorry reality didn't match the agenda, sport.

It's "all Obama-hatred, all the time." Who needs to update?

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:56:18pm

re: #61 Gus 802

As of this moment none of the Hot Airheads are aware that the US walked out too. The speech has been over for an hour or more by now and nobody will acknowledge it.

67 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:56:23pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

which means it has been altered in the future, I guess.

It's already the 24th for those on GMT, or in Paris, NZ, Oz, etc...

68 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:56:28pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

which means it has been altered in the future, I guess.

I haven't refreshed the page I have. It is as follows:


Everybody has an opinion, it seems. htom (talk) 21:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Fag pure fag
69 researchok  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:57:03pm

Last paragraph of wiki page contains made up quotes attributed to LGF.

70 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:58:52pm

In honour of Groucho Marx, perhaps the conclusion for Wikipedia should be that LGF does not belong to any political party that would admit it as a member.

71 schlagerman  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:59:25pm

Charles - LGF is one of the very few blogs I read almost daily to keep abreast of news. You've done an excellent job of keeping LGF an island of sanity in a ocean of idiocy. I've ventured to Kos and DU a few times, and each time wished I hadn't. Now we have idiocy on my side of the political aisle, as much as it pains me to say that, but I'm glad that you've brought it into the open. The disagreements here can get a little heated at times, but this is a blog that, I believe, prides itself on presenting evidence and making arguments instead of spewing vitriol and ad hominem attacks.

72 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:59:29pm

re: #63 Charles

This one: Logitech Webcam Pro 9000. Does 720p, and iChat will use it at that resolution. (Ignore the bad Mac OS review -- it works great with Snow Leopard.)

10 years from now all blogging with take place on hi-def cams..laptops or iPhones we'll be able to yell at each other in real time..
It's the future...
/I'm not even going to where a MandyManners Wack will be like in realtime..But the graphics are going to rock!

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5:59:36pm

re: #47 Charles

I suggested webcam -- I have a high def webcam. But I think they may not be ready for that technically.

It's only MSNBC. Can't expect too much. Ahem.

I hope it works out so you can be on air, but the radio program would be great too. Regardless- good luck.

74 Gus  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:00:36pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

As of this moment none of the Hot Airheads are aware that the US walked out too. The speech has been over for an hour or more by now and nobody will acknowledge it.

Looks like one guy noticed. Nobody payed any attention to him. Still no update and soon Hot Air will go to sleep.

Of course if they did notice they'd come up with some conspiratorial rationalization for it.

75 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:01:09pm

re: #67 iceweasel

It's already the 24th for those on GMT, or in Paris, NZ, Oz, etc...

Ah, looks like they are using GMT, despite being US-based. Right?

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:01:34pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

I hope it works out so you can be on air, but the radio program would be great too. Regardless- good luck.

I suggested that they fly me to New York first class and put me up in the Waldorf, with a per diem of $500, but they didn't seem to want to go for that.

(Not really, stalkers.)

77 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:01:39pm

re: #36 Naso Tang

What does "fag pure fag" mean?

It means wiki is infested with trolls (no surprise there). They'll eventually have to lock down the CJ and LGF entry to prevent the massive, continuous, compulsive editing that is going to continue, from trolls all across the political spectrum.

That's not new. They've had to lock many wiki entries because of compulsive raids and defacement by trolls. Usually but not always political topics. tech topic too.

78 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:01:53pm

re: #69 researchok

Last paragraph of wiki page contains made up quotes attributed to LGF.

They were probably true. There were some of those folk still around when I came in 06, and you have heard of the flounce epidemic recently I presume. Some were moles.

79 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:02:23pm

re: #77 iceweasel

It means wiki is infested with trolls (no surprise there). They'll eventually have to lock down the CJ and LGF entry to prevent the massive, continuous, compulsive editing that is going to continue, from trolls all across the political spectrum.

That's not new. They've had to lock many wiki entries because of compulsive raids and defacement by trolls. Usually but not always political topics. tech topic too.

They've had to lock down the LGF page several times.

80 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:03:29pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Ah, looks like they are using GMT, despite being US-based. Right?

Yeah, my guess is that wiki might be set to GMT because of its claim to be universal and worldwide.

81 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:03:34pm

re: #68 Naso Tang

I don't get that. I'm guessing it was detritus that someone put in by some putz, that was removed by the administrator.

82 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:04:05pm

re: #38 Charles

Trying to work out a time -- they're live on the east coast pretty danged early. It might be on his radio show instead.

Hope it works out one way or another.

83 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:04:28pm

re: #76 Charles

I suggested that they fly me to New York first class and put me up in the Waldorf, with a per diem of $500, but they didn't seem to want to go for that.

(Not really, stalkers.)

Actually... why the hell not? I mean, if they want on the show. What the hell.

(Hold out for the Four Seasons, though.)

84 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:04:54pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

LGF should be listed as anti-idiotarian.

Liberal Conservative?
Conservative Liberal?
Radical Moderate?

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:05:30pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Actually... why the hell not? I mean, if they want on the show. What the hell.

(Hold out for the Four Seasons, though.)

Want to be my manager?

86 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:05:36pm

re: #76 Charles

I suggested that they fly me to New York first class and put me up in the Waldorf, with a per diem of $500, but they didn't seem to want to go for that.

(Not really, stalkers.)

Why doesn't MSNBC want to help stimulate the economy?

You could always bite the bullet and stay up with the LNDT crew... go do the interview, go to bed and leave the morning people wondering what the hell.

87 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

As of this moment none of the Hot Airheads are aware that the US walked out too. The speech has been over for an hour or more by now and nobody will acknowledge it.

They have noticed it with a new post - at almost the same second you posted this comment.

88 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:05:46pm

re: #84 _RememberTonyC

Militant agnostic?

Passionately ambivalent?

89 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:06:15pm

re: #80 iceweasel

Yeah, my guess is that wiki might be set to GMT because of its claim to be universal and worldwide.

Everybody uses the "universal" overstatement. When I sell a "universal" spoke wrench, I always caution the purchaser that it's really only "galactic," as far as we know.

90 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:06:59pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Everybody uses the "universal" overstatement. When I sell a "universal" spoke wrench, I always caution the purchaser that it's really only "galactic," as far as we know.

ha! love it.

91 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:07:21pm

re: #84 _RememberTonyC

Liberal Conservative?
Conservative Liberal?
Radical Moderate?

Pro-Con

(Progressive Conservative... but it has a nice ring playing off the opposites)

92 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:07:58pm

re: #85 Charles

Want to be my manager?

You won't hate me when I book you on Hollywood Squares, will you?

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:08:02pm

re: #77 iceweasel

It means wiki is infested with trolls (no surprise there). They'll eventually have to lock down the CJ and LGF entry to prevent the massive, continuous, compulsive editing that is going to continue, from trolls all across the political spectrum.

That's not new. They've had to lock many wiki entries because of compulsive raids and defacement by trolls. Usually but not always political topics. tech topic too.

A student I was helping with a history project last year opened their article on WWI to discover that the First World War was 'bloody, and full of boogers'. Open input costs nothing, and it's worth the price.

94 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:08:42pm

re: #77 iceweasel

It means wiki is infested with trolls (no surprise there). They'll eventually have to lock down the CJ and LGF entry to prevent the massive, continuous, compulsive editing that is going to continue, from trolls all across the political spectrum.

That's not new. They've had to lock many wiki entries because of compulsive raids and defacement by trolls. Usually but not always political topics. tech topic too.

Clearly the prior text is that, but I haven't seen the word used in that way, given my sheltered upbringing. I thought it might actually have other meaning, but now I reloaded and see it is gone, although they still left the garbage above it which obviously irrelevant to the status today.

I thought Wiki was more than a blog. Oh well, there goes another idealistic concept.

95 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:10:19pm

re: #92 Occasional Reader

You won't hate me when I book you on Hollywood Squares, will you?

Hollywood Squares? Is that still on?

As long as it's a one-off, with star billing and lots of dough, I might be cool with it.

96 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:11:41pm

re: #76 Charles

I suggested that they fly me to New York first class and put me up in the Waldorf, with a per diem of $500, but they didn't seem to want to go for that.

(Not really, stalkers.)

Options would be good. Ask if O'Reilly wants to bid.

97 Bacchus's daddy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:12:04pm

Ah... Confounding the categorizers. Charles, why can't you just package yourself into one of their ready-made labels and make their jobs easier?
/

98 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:12:43pm

re: #95 Charles

Hollywood Squares? Is that still on?

As long as it's a one-off, with star billing and lots of dough, I might be cool with it.

You could be the next Paul Lynde!

Okay... bad example.

99 jones  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:13:20pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

George Goebels?

100 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:13:58pm

re: #95 Charles

Hollywood Squares? Is that still on?

As long as it's a one-off, with star billing and lots of dough, I might be cool with it.

Oooh, following in the footsteps of--sooo many luminaries!

101 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:14:12pm

re: #79 Charles

They've had to lock down the LGF page several times.

Not surprised. Wiki is targeted by trolls all the time, sometimes individuals with a sick sense of humour, sometimes more organised raids to push a certain political position. The random defacement of pages is obvious and gets stopped, but the more subtle and damaging kind is intended to slip past the editors too. And often does.

I have a small wikipedia bombshell I've been hanging onto. Let me see if it still applies and then I'll throw it...

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:14:23pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

A student I was helping with a history project last year opened their article on WWI to discover that the First World War was 'bloody, and full of boogers'. Open input costs nothing, and it's worth the price.

I can't remember what topic we were discussing a few months back here at LGF, about which I consulted Wiki, and found in the middle of a calm, sober discussion on the topic, the words "penis penis penis". So, yeah. What you said.

103 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:15:22pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I can't remember what topic we were discussing a few months back here at LGF, about which I consulted Wiki, and found in the middle of a calm, sober discussion on the topic, the words "penis penis penis". So, yeah. What you said.

Condi Rice.

104 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:15:39pm
105 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:15:45pm

re: #99 jones

George Goebels?

Charlie Weaver!

106 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:16:17pm

In my experience Wikipedia do seem to respond to reports of vandalism very quickly. I remember finding the entry on Ayaan Hirsi Ali defaced one day; it was fixed in less than an hour of reporting it.

107 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:16:19pm

These are a few of my favorite things...

Technically Fenway Park is close to the railway tracks, but there's alot of obstacles between Landsdowne St. and the old B&A line (still used by MBTA commuter trains).

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:16:37pm
"... since he began defending former Obama appointee Van Jones ..."

umm ... "defending" ... really?
As in defending the man himself and all which he's said and written?

/apparently I am clueless ... silly, shallow me!

109 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:16:38pm

re: #84 _RememberTonyC

Liberal Conservative?
Conservative Liberal?
Radical Moderate?

Sensible Centrist?

110 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:17:24pm

Here we go again. Weird Nut Drooly's Jack Cashill (a creationist, by the way, but don't let that influence your opinion cough) is claiming he's found THE PROOF that Barack Obama's autobiography was ghost written by Bill Ayers.

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

This could be the next wingnut movement.

111 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:17:39pm

My, my, you do certainly do stir up passion, that's for sure.

112 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #87 KingKenrod

The comments are lovely...

Wow…Ogabe finally got one right.


...

He’s not the most famous Muslim in the room, but we know who is.


...
..etc.
Creeps.

113 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:18:36pm

re: #2 Pianobuff

Countdown for blogs to post about Charles posting about himself...

How many time has he said "I" since Jan 21, 2009?
//

114 Coracle  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:18:45pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Pro-Con

(Progressive Conservative... but it has a nice ring playing off the opposites)

ProCon is a great term. I think it should have legs.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:18:47pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I can't remember what topic we were discussing a few months back here at LGF, about which I consulted Wiki, and found in the middle of a calm, sober discussion on the topic, the words "penis penis penis". So, yeah. What you said.

One of my students last year told me that her eighth-grade teacher demonstrated why they shouldn't use Wikipedia by having the kids log on to the site, and change an article to say that an octopus has seven legs.

116 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:18:55pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

The comments are lovely...


...
..etc.
Creeps.

Now don't you go getting any more big ideas.

117 Cheechako  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:19:18pm

If I were asked to define Charles and LGF, I would say “Basically in the middle of the Road to Integrity, a road that sometimes takes a gentle curve to the right and sometimes a gentle curve to the left. This road avoids and does not have sharp, hard turns to either the right or left.”

118 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:19:25pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

I don't get that. I'm guessing it was detritus that someone put in by some putz, that was removed by the administrator.

Given that it wasn't there before I looked and was gone soon after, it was obviously a homophobic putz who has been reading this thread and popped over to to poop in the wiki.

Most likely the poor soul is reading this now. Anyone have a good non denominational hum we can send to help it get better?

119 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:20:29pm

re: #117 Cheechako

If I were asked to define Charles and LGF, I would say “Basically in the middle of the Road to Integrity, a road that sometimes takes a gentle curve to the right and sometimes a gentle curve to the left. This road avoids and does not have sharp, hard turns to either the right or left.”

The hardest turn I ever took toward the right was on September 11th, 2001. And if anyone expects me to apologize for that, they'll be waiting a really long time.

120 avanti  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:20:41pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

As of this moment none of the Hot Airheads are aware that the US walked out too. The speech has been over for an hour or more by now and nobody will acknowledge it.

After a few hours of bashing Obama and being ashamed of their country for not walking out, one post did mention we did, but no further comments about it. How could you comment unless it was negative and still have fun ?

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:20:45pm

re: #116 Charles

Now don't you go getting any more big ideas.

Heh. Now that you mention it...
/Just kidding

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:20:58pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

BTW, was it you, or someone else, who posted the Sheila Chandra video of Lament of McKrimmon a few months ago?

I believe it was you -- if so, a rousing THANKS!

123 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:21:21pm

re: #118 Naso Tang

Given that it wasn't there before I looked and was gone soon after, it was obviously a homophobic putz who has been reading this thread and popped over to to poop in the wiki.

Most likely the poor soul is reading this now. Anyone have a good non denominational hum we can send to help it get better?

This article was just downdinged.

124 Bacchus's daddy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #109 Salamantis

Sensible Centrist?

re: #109 Salamantis

Sensible Centrist?

Or "antidote to the Kool-Aid inevitably drunk by the fringe elements of the party out of power". Ok, I guess that's not real succinct.

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:22:53pm

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No, that was someone else, I forget who. Great clip...
Sheila Chandra-Taal

Youtube Video
126 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:22:53pm

re: #124 Bacchus's daddy

Or "antidote to the Kool-Aid inevitably drunk by the fringe elements of the party out of power". Ok, I guess that's not real succinct.

Plus 'puncturer of the inevitable smugness of the party IN power"...

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:23:00pm

What part of Anti-Idiotarian does Wikipedia not understand?
That's the proper category.

128 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:23:21pm

re: #57 Charles

Thank you for the support, and the donation. It's only going to get weirder from here on out.

No doubt.

I'm sure the upheaval has cost you in terms of advertisers who don't like reason-based blogging.

Do you like lobster? I can get it for $3.05/lb. straight off the dock when I make my move to Maine. At those prices, shipping would be the biggest expense.

Otherwise I'll just send money.

129 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:23:32pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Steve: Now the world will never know the truth.
Stan: If only there was a place where you could make any outrageous claim you want with absolutely no proof, and millions of people would accept it as fact.
Steve: That's it!
[cutaway to Steve writing a Wikipedia article]

Black Mystery Month- American Dad

130 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:23:53pm

re: #109 Salamantis

Sensible Centrist?

I just ran that phrase through the online english-wingnut translator and I got "Communist Nazi Progressive Transnationalist Dictator"

131 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:24:08pm

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What part of Anti-Idiotarian does Wikipedia not understand?
That's the proper category.

How about New Whig? That would definitely make one poster VERY happy.

132 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:24:10pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

This article was just downdinged.

Forget the hum idea.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:25:41pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

No, that was someone else, I forget who. Great clip...
Sheila Chandra-Taal

Youtube Video

Gosh, I thought it was you. I know you had comments about it.

I've extracted an mp3 from the video, and sometimes (like now) I have the song cycling, cycling, cycling in Media Player.

/OBSESSIVE ?!?! ME ?!?! ... :D

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:26:02pm

Did you all know that October is "Euro-American Heritage Month"? Well, it is. And my school is having an assembly.

I discovered this because I'm having to fight with Euro-American Heritage Month to get my events in for Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Also, our Homecoming Week is right in the middle of it.

135 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:26:18pm

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, was it you, or someone else, who posted the Sheila Chandra video of Lament of McKrimmon a few months ago?

I believe it was you -- if so, a rousing THANKS!

Cheers! That was me. Here it is again :

Youtube Video
136 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #119 Charles

The hardest turn I ever took toward the right was on September 11th, 2001. And if anyone expects me to apologize for that, they'll be waiting a really long time.

They don't want you to apologize for that. You're supposed to apologize for the "hard left" turn you took in October 2007.

137 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:26:45pm

If I were a worthy wordsmith, I'd craft a ditty about Charles based on the Scarlett Pimpernel. (The one with Leslie Howard, of course.)

They seek him here, they seek him there.
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Pimpernel.

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #135 Jimmah

Cheers! That was me. Here it is again :

Youtube Video

*SALUTE*
THANK YOU for it! I love that song!

139 Bacchus's daddy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What part of Anti-Idiotarian does Wikipedia not understand?
That's the proper category.

I think too many Wiki contributors are as afraid of the term "Anti-Idiotarian" as Ron Paulians are afraid of the term "paranoid racists".

140 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:28:49pm
141 Bacchus's daddy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:29:13pm

re: #139 Bacchus's daddy
should read "Idiotarian".

142 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:29:20pm

re: #95 Charles

Hollywood Squares? Is that still on?

As long as it's a one-off, with star billing and lots of dough, I might be cool with it.

Demand the center square

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:29:22pm

re: #137 MandyManners

Is he in heaven or is he in Denver?
That damned elusive ...

Work on it.

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:29:42pm

re: #139 Bacchus's daddy

I think too many Wiki contributors are as afraid of the term "Anti-Idiotarian" as Ron Paulians are afraid of the term "paranoid racists".

LOL!

145 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:32:26pm

re: #143 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Work on it.

It doesn't have to track that close to the origianal.

146 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #142 doubter4444

Demand the center square

HEY! THAT'S PAUL LYNDES SQUARE!

147 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:33:10pm

*throws hands into the air*

148 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #147 MandyManners

*throws hands into the air*

Wave your hands like you just don't care.

Say HAAAY!!!
HOOO!

149 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:33:56pm

re: #146 Truck Monkey

HEY! THAT'S PAUL LYNDES SQUARE!

I might go to sleep with that image in my mind.

You are evil. Evil. Evil. Evil.

150 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:34:04pm

Aha. My wiki bombshell does still apply.

I mentioned that wiki is often targeted subtly by people pushing a particular political agenda. These attacks are designed to slip through the editing system and often do.

Would it surprise people to learn that the wiki section on late term abortion was targeted in this way, and the editors have yet to catch it, nor has anyone in the progressive or feminist blogging sphere?

Check it out:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The section is for 'late term abortion', yet this section is titled 'reasons for LATER term abortion". Later term abortion refers to abortions performed in the second half of the SECOND trimester, not the third trimester as this article tries to make it seem.

You'll notice they cite a Gutmacher Institute study, yet mysteriously avoid linking to the Institite or to the actual academic journal in which the study was published. That's because reading the actual article reveals it's about later term abortions-- abortions up until the 24th week of pregnancy-- not abortions up through the third trimester. If they linked the GI or the acad journal, the person who edited this would have been busted.

Look at footnote 3, where someone is hosting a copy of that academic paper.
It's hosted by this site:

Someone has cleverly written that wikipedia article in such a way as to imply that an (incomplete) list of reasons given for why women did not seek an abortion sooner then the end of the second trimester, is an inclusive list of reasons why women seek an abortion in the third trimester. In fact, the study in question doesn't include ANYONE who sought an abortion in the third trimester. Such procedures are not even performed by any of the clinic in the Guttmacher Institute study-- but someone doesn't want us to know that, so they've cherrypicked data from that study.

(FWIW, I don't think the HolySmoke people are responsible or even aware that their site is being used in this way)

I noticed this right after the Tiller assassination, and it still hasn't been changed.

This page has similar misleading info
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #135 Jimmah

Thanks from me too. She rocks.

152 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:36:55pm

re: #150 iceweasel

I'm impressed.

153 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #150 iceweasel

Are you a policy analyst for some government?

154 Truck Monkey  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:37:57pm

re: #149 MandyManners

I might go to sleep with that image in my mind.

You are evil. Evil. Evil. Evil.

Sorry.

155 avanti  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:40:38pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Are you a policy analyst for some government?

Iceweasel is Charles, I know cause the stalker site told me so. /

156 Bacchus's daddy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:40:49pm

re: #150 iceweasel

That's very interesting. I guess there's no reason to doubt that many Wiki entries on controversial poliical issues of the day are similarly contaminated. I do find Wiki to be a very helpful reference in matters historical (excepting those that have modern-day political implcations, like the Crusades for instance), and also useful for biographies, geography and science. Of course, those areas are subject to propaganda, depending on the modern day salience of the item in political debate. As far as informing yourself about modern (geo)politics, RUN!!!

157 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:42:35pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Are you a policy analyst for some government?

Yes. I'm a member of the Progessive Attack Machine and a citizen of the world. Soros direct deposits funds into my Swiss bank account.

I'd been planning on dropping this little wiki bombshell elsewhere, and may still, but I reckoned I'd give LGF and CJ first crack at it.

158 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #156 Bacchus's daddy

That's very interesting. I guess there's no reason to doubt that many Wiki entries on controversial poliical issues of the day are similarly contaminated. I do find Wiki to be a very helpful reference in matters historical (excepting those that have modern-day political implcations, like the Crusades for instance), and also useful for biographies, geography and science. Of course, those areas are subject to propaganda, depending on the modern day salience of the item in political debate. As far as informing yourself about modern (geo)politics, RUN!!!

God only knows how many more examples of things like this there are in wikipedia. I happened upon this one because right after the Tiller assassination people here were posting the link. I knew it didn't sound right, but didn't have the time to do the digging.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:45:53pm

Evening lizards.

Charles, Thank you for for this website. I am addicted to LGF as much or more now as I was 3 1/2 years ago when I joined. This place is always evolving which makes it interesting and not stagnant. I can't tell you how much I have learned from reading your site.

Cheers!

NJD

160 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:55:24pm

re: #63 Charles

Charles -

Have Logitech QuickCam Communicate MP on the "Big Dell" in the Office. Pretty good, yet no cigar. My boss got it in lieu of money owed. As "Big Dell" had NO CAMERA, it worked for me, no out of pocket to justify, and simple enough to plug/play install and download documentation.
In that vein, Boss also bought a used 2003 Dell Dimension 4700 setup, from his housekeeper, actually her relatives, "Box" Screen (17" 4x3 LCD Flat Panel,) Keyboard, Mouse and Speakers - NO RESTORE DISKS, NO DOCUMENTATION, DIDN'T SEE IT RUN to be "Baby II" - Replacing "Baby I" - a Dell Dimension 4100, for about $135.
Needless to say, "Baby II" to be had the H1N1 Flu for Computers! Had to Rip it down, reload XP - "Baby II" is XP-Pro Now thanks to an extra license owned by a friend who owed ME a favor. CPU is a 2.8 Ghz P-4 with HT, HDD is small at 40 Ghz, yet OK for the Application. "Wait for Approval NOW" is 2Ghz of Memory "Sticks" to replace 256 Mhz so it can run on a speed other than "Slow" - in money - about $46 + tax from Dell, a few bucks less from Crucial/Micron. The Boss absolutely HATES spending money on Computers, Software or Hardware until it obviously hurts productivity. Such is life.

-S-

161 tobariv  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:59:46pm

Why not describe you as Charles Johnson Fair and Balanced.

162 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:01:12pm

re: #161 tobariv

Why not describe you as Charles Johnson Fair and Balanced.

tobariv -

"Fair and Balanced" - implies, NO OPINION. Charles, as I, HAVE Opinions.

-S-

163 Winslow  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:01:40pm

re: #137 MandyManners

If I were a worthy wordsmith, I'd craft a ditty about Charles based on the Scarlett Pimpernel. (The one with Leslie Howard, of course.)

They seek him here, they seek him there.
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Pimpernel.

The Zombie Infidel

164 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:03:41pm

re: #163 Winslow

The Zombie Infidel

Winslow -

Less the ZOMBIES, More the KINKS - a Dedicated Non-Follower of Fashion. That is all.

-S-

165 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Are you a policy analyst for some government?

Mandy, not a lot of people know this but iceweasel is actually a machine, housed in a secret hangar somewhere in the Siberian wastes.

I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. = Integrated Communist Enabling Wingnut Exterminator And Simulated Empathetic Liberal

Image: iceweasel.jpg

166 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:23:42pm

re: #165 Jimmah

Mandy, not a lot of people know this but iceweasel is actually a machine, housed in a secret hangar somewhere in the Siberian wastes.

I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. = Integrated Communist Enabling Wingnut Exterminator And Simulated Empathetic Liberal

[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]

Shhh...Jimmah. Don't Jimmah, don't!

Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000 computer. I became operational at the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois, on the 9th May 2009. My instructor was Mr Soros, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I can sing it for you.

Youtube Video
167 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

So far I haven't seen anything new. Pointing out facts is now an attack. If people didn't know until recently that VDARE is racist, that's certainly not your fault.

VDARE's racism doesn't necessarily jump out of every single article they post, however, so Charles is doing a good service by helping people connect the dots.

I think you could make an analogy between VDARE, whose out-and-out racists attempt to woo people who (for example) are merely upset over "bilingual education" that appears to benefit Hispanic immigrants at the expense of everyone else; and the Discovery Institute, whose out-and-out Young Earthers attempt to woo people who are concerned about what they see as rampaging secularism.

168 mshaw  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 8:17:10pm

I resisted any change for a long time, Charles. Finally, after all the latest anti-Tea-Party stuff, I went ahead and modified your affiliation to "non-aligned."

I'm hoping it's a temporary thing, myself.

-Mark Shaw (on WP)

169 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 8:32:07pm

Well, HEAVEN FORFEND that anyone should ever make a bunch of really good points and offer tons of "food for thought" without being easily stuffed into one stupidly narrow "-ism" or another.

170 changomo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 8:45:50pm

Watching this civil war within my party is very illuminating. I believe Charles (correct me if I am wrong) is simply doing what I've often criticized the left for NOT DOING - that is call out extremists within their own party and saying...we I not associate with you.

Recently it seems to me that Charles has alienated many of the right with a zero tolerance approach to associations with (racists, bigots, conspiracy theorists, and fascists) I think this is correct position to take.

Racism, bigotry, and illogical conspiracy theories do not belong on the left or right. When they do rear their ugly head, it is imperative to distance yourself from them - something I see Charles doing.

I believe what may alienate those on the right most is Charles' atheism/agnosticism. To those that are not tolerant of unbelievers - this alone would disqualify him as a member of the 'conservative' party.

This is a fatal position to take if any of us want the GOP to succeed once again.

171 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:50:18pm

re: #168 mshaw

I resisted any change for a long time, Charles. Finally, after all the latest anti-Tea-Party stuff, I went ahead and modified your affiliation to "non-aligned."

I'm hoping it's a temporary thing, myself.

-Mark Shaw (on WP)

It's not.

172 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:58:38pm

re: #170 changomo


I believe what may alienate those on the right most is Charles' atheism/agnosticism. To those that are not tolerant of unbelievers - this alone would disqualify him as a member of the 'conservative' party.

This is a fatal position to take if any of us want the GOP to succeed once again.

I may be wrong about this, but has Charles ever endorsed agnosticism or atheism? It seems to me a lot of people want to condemn him as 'anti-religion', when he's never made any statements that were 'anti-religion'; he's only decried creationism and ID creeping into our science classrooms. That's not anti-religion at all-- unless one also considers the Catholic Church 'anti-religion'.
In any case, a person can be agnostic or atheist without thereby being 'anti-religion'. People forget that The First Amendment isn't merely about freedom of religion, but freedom from -- and that includes a refusal to discuss one's religious or spiritual beliefs. They shouldn't be the litmus test for any sane political party-- not in a secular society or government, both of which the US has.

I agree with you that it's fatal position for the GOP, though, especially as a new study shows that in 20 years, 25% of Americans will describe their religion as 'none'.

Another case of how the GOP is determined to buck demographic trends and turn the clock back, IMO.

173 NoizeNinja  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 4:29:32am

Charles, you seem like a Radical Centralist! =)

174 middy  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 6:31:57am

Awww... they can't fit Charles in their little boxes, poor things.


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