Report: Census Worker Found Hanged with ‘Fed’ Scrawled on Body

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There’s not enough information yet to say for sure what was behind this killing, so let’s not jump to conclusions. But the description of the circumstances and the timing (around the time of the Washington DC tea party) raises a strong suspicion that anti-government sentiment may have been the motivation: AP source: Census worker hanged with ‘fed’ on body.

WASHINGTON — The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word ‘fed” was scrawled on the dead man’s chest.

The body of Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest in rural southeast Kentucky. The Census has suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County, where the body was found, pending the outcome of the investigation.

Investigators are still trying to determine whether the death was a killing or a suicide, and if a killing, whether the motive was related to his government job or to anti-government sentiment.

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467 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:47:31pm

Happy now, wingbats?

2 quickslow87  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:48:09pm

Despicable.

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:48:33pm

It doesn't sound much like a suicide, if it's true that the word 'Fed' was written on the body.

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:49:00pm

I highly doubt this is a suicide.

5 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:50:09pm

Maybe some moonshiners thought he was a revenooer.

6 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:51:38pm

re: #5 BignJames

Maybe some moonshiners meth cooks or pot farmers thought he was a revenooer.

Fixed that up some...

7 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:52:41pm

re: #3 Charles

It doesn't sound much like a suicide, if it's true that the word 'Fed' was written on the body.

I'm wondering if it was carved on his body.

8 Kilroy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:53:03pm

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

9 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:53:35pm

Any comment from Michele Bachmann's office?

10 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:54:27pm

re: #5 BignJames

Maybe some moonshiners thought he was a revenooer.

I was thinking along the same line...I don't know if Clay County in considered "hillbilly" country, but it's pretty damn close. And like Fenway said, the poor guy may have stumbled upon a pot farm or meth lab.

11 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:54:53pm

This could be anything; from hapless dope growers that didn't want their shit confiscated, to moonshiners, or crazy meth people, to some crazy posse comitatus types. Heck, it could even be a rural Unibomber type.

But I don't think it was a suicide.

12 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:55:12pm

Oh, shit.

We can expect more of this.

Thanks, Glenn. Frogs are the least of creatures on your conscience.

Do us all a favor. Start drinking again.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:55:17pm

re: #7 Salamantis

Doesn't sound like it:
AP " a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word 'fed" was scrawled on the dead man's chest."

Scrawled, is written, IMHO. If it was carved, they'd have said that.

14 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:55:28pm

A little more detail in the version posted in previous thread.

Gilbert Acciardo, a retired Kentucky state trooper who directs an after-school program at the elementary school where Sparkman was a frequent substitute teacher, said he had warned Sparkman to be careful when he did his Census work.
"I told him on more than one occasion, based on my years in the state police, 'Mr. Sparkman, when you go into those counties, be careful because people are going to perceive you different than they do elsewhere,'" Acciardo said.

15 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:56:27pm

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Oh, shit.

We can expect more of this.

Thanks, Glenn. Frogs are the least of creatures on your conscience.

Do us all a favor. Start drinking again.


That's a bit much, Cato...not cool.

16 laZardo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:56:31pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

Maybe some moonshiners meth cooks or pot farmers thought he was a revenooer.

When you ask people who are high...

[sunglasses]

...withdrawal's a killer.

/YYYEEEAAAHHH

17 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:57:00pm

re: #5 BignJames

Maybe some moonshiners thought he was a revenooer.

It's possible.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:57:02pm

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

And how did I know someone like you would show up screaming, even though I could not have not been more careful with my wording?

19 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:57:20pm

re: #11 theheat

This could be anything; from hapless dope growers that didn't want their shit confiscated, to moonshiners, or crazy meth people, to some crazy posse comitatus types. Heck, it could even be a rural Unibomber type.

But I don't think it was a suicide.

And all those folks would have reason to hold anti-government sentiments. That they (whoever they are) would do this to a volunteer Census worker is highly disturbing.

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:57:58pm

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

I agree, I think this is more a drug thing than anything else.

21 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:58:25pm

re: #19 Sharmuta


They'd do it to you, too...and me.

22 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:58:32pm

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

Agreed, so why are you linking this to the Tea Parties?

23 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:58:38pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

I just hope whoever did this is caught. Nobody likes to think people capable of such a crime are holed up in the sticks someplace, gloating about this.

24 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:58:44pm

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

No one has made that link yet. It could be local anti-Federal sentiment in the region, which is as old as the USA itself. It could also be drug gangs protecting their turf. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that the storm whipped up by Beck, Bachmann, and the Tea Parties makes this sort of thing more likely.

25 Kilroy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:58:48pm

re: #18 Charles

Not a scream just an opinion.

26 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:59:07pm

Why I'm Moving to New England, Reason No. 6,301.

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:59:20pm

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Oh, shit.

We can expect more of this.

Thanks, Glenn. Frogs are the least of creatures on your conscience.

Do us all a favor. Start drinking again.

Sorry, Cato, I wouldn't wish that on any recovering addict.

28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:59:22pm

There has been a LOT of incitement against the census lately. That doesn't prove anything. But it looks damned suspicious.

29 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:59:25pm

re: #10 talon_262

I was thinking along the same line...I don't know if Clay County in considered "hillbilly" country, but it's pretty damn close. And like Fenway said, the poor guy may have stumbled upon a pot farm or meth lab.

NW Florida is well known as one of the three prime pot growing areas in the nation (along with Big Sur, in Cali, and Hawaii).

I was working for the US Census in 1990 in rural north Santa Rosa County, checking houses waay back in the sticks for occupants to count, and in ther middle of this patch of woods, happened upon this cabin. Behind it was a cornfield showing much too much bright green.

I was cornered by two snarling pit bulls, then two guys who looked like they belonged in Deliverance came out of the cabin with shotguns. I told them my business, and mande it clear to them that the census was all that I was interested in, and they called off their dogs and filled out the forms.

Close fucking call.

30 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:00:02pm

re: #14 Danny

A little more detail in the version posted in previous thread.

Gilbert Acciardo, a retired Kentucky state trooper who directs an after-school program at the elementary school where Sparkman was a frequent substitute teacher, said he had warned Sparkman to be careful when he did his Census work.
"I told him on more than one occasion, based on my years in the state police, 'Mr. Sparkman, when you go into those counties, be careful because people are going to perceive you different than they do elsewhere,'" Acciardo said.

Yep, hillbillies...I don't see this as anything to do with the recent right-wing craziness, but rather a long-standing distaste and distrust of "outsiders" in the hills and mountains of Appalachia.

But I may be wrong...

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:00:26pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

And all those folks would have reason to hold anti-government sentiments. That they (whoever they are) would do this to a volunteer Census worker is highly disturbing.

I'd just far rather than he was killed by some jumpy pot grower than that he was killed by some jumpy ideologue. But there's a real craziness to it. A pot grower might have shot him and dumped the body, but hanging? Writing?

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:00:29pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

No one has made that link yet. It could be local anti-Federal sentiment in the region, which is as old as the USA itself. It could also be drug gangs protecting their turf. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that the storm whipped up by Beck, Bachmann, and the Tea Parties makes this sort of thing more likely.

Or just make it more likely to be reported by the MSM --

33 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:01:05pm

re: #20 ggt

I'm leaning that way myself...but I suspect the investigation's nowhere near finished.

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:01:28pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd just far rather than he was killed by some jumpy pot grower than that he was killed by some jumpy ideologue. But there's a real craziness to it. A pot grower might have shot him and dumped the body, but hanging? Writing?

Exactly. Drug people wouldn't make a political statement about it- they'd just dump the body.

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:01:43pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd just far rather than he was killed by some jumpy pot grower than that he was killed by some jumpy ideologue. But there's a real craziness to it. A pot grower might have shot him and dumped the body, but hanging? Writing?

Good point. The last thing a pot farmer or meth cooker would want is the attention that would bring to the area.

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:01:58pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd just far rather than he was killed by some jumpy pot grower than that he was killed by some jumpy ideologue. But there's a real craziness to it. A pot grower might have shot him and dumped the body, but hanging? Writing?

Lynching has definite political overtones.

37 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:02:19pm

re: #29 Salamantis

KY currently having the third largest domestic cannabis crop fits.

38 Kilroy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:02:26pm

re: #29 Salamantis

Sounds like some of the same guys I met when I was rock hounding in the Sierra's last summer.

39 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:02:42pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Exactly. Drug people wouldn't make a political statement about it- they'd just dump the body.

Unless they are trying to cover their tracks --throw off the police. . .

40 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:02:58pm

re: #35 Charles

Good point. The last thing a pot farmer or meth cooker would want is the attention that would bring to the area.


True dat.

41 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:03:09pm

Gilbert Acciardo, a retired Kentucky state trooper who directs an after-school program at the elementary school where Sparkman was a frequent substitute teacher, said he had warned Sparkman to be careful when he did his Census work.
"I told him on more than one occasion, based on my years in the state police, 'Mr. Sparkman, when you go into those counties, be careful because people are going to perceive you different than they do elsewhere,'" Acciardo said.

People who live in that region have a long history of being antagonistic toward federal authorities.

42 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:03:52pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Exactly. Drug people wouldn't make a political statement about it- they'd just dump the body.

Not entirely true, Sharm. The previous thread noted that the Mexican cartels have had some operations in that area. They would kill someone as a statement, as a warning to law enforcement to stay away.

43 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:04:03pm

re: #39 ggt

Unless they are trying to cover their tracks --throw off the police. . .


Why not just bury the body?

44 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:04:21pm

re: #35 Charles

Good point. The last thing a pot farmer or meth cooker would want is the attention that would bring to the area.

Which leans towards some hillbillies "defending" their turf from the "Feds", just as the moonshiners would just as soon kill "revenuers" than get caught

45 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:05:01pm

re: #43 BignJames

Why not just bury the body?

Because then there would be a widespread search. My guess is that he was killed far from where he was hung.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:05:21pm

re: #43 BignJames

Why not just bury the body?

I quit looking for logic in people who do these sorts of things.

47 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:05:22pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely true, Sharm. The previous thread noted that the Mexican cartels have had some operations in that area. They would kill someone as a statement, as a warning to law enforcement to stay away.

That works in Mexico, not here. If you kill someone as a way to tell the law to back off, you get more law crawling up your a** than you could ever want.

48 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:05:29pm

re: #44 talon_262

I should say "some moonshiners would just as soon kill "revenuers" than get caught"

49 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:03pm

re: #39 ggt

Unless they are trying to cover their tracks --throw off the police. . .

Or make it look as though one of their competitors was responsible and throw off investigators that way.

50 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:18pm

re: #45 Salamantis

Because then there would be a widespread search. My guess is that he was killed far from where he was hung.


mmm...yeah.

51 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:25pm

re: #47 Desert Dog

That works in Mexico, not here. If you kill someone as a way to tell the law to back off, you get more law crawling up your a** than you could ever want.

Maybe they're dumb, and think that the same tactics that worked back home work here.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:39pm

I don't know why, but I think this was economically motivated.

We shall see. . .

53 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:47pm

re: #41 Danny

Gilbert Acciardo, a retired Kentucky state trooper who directs an after-school program at the elementary school where Sparkman was a frequent substitute teacher, said he had warned Sparkman to be careful when he did his Census work.
"I told him on more than one occasion, based on my years in the state police, 'Mr. Sparkman, when you go into those counties, be careful because people are going to perceive you different than they do elsewhere,'" Acciardo said.

People who live in that region have a long history of being antagonistic toward federal authorities.

Going all the way back to George Washington's time. The Whiskey Rebellion sprang up near that area.

54 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:06:51pm

re: #49 Fenway_Nation

Or make it look as though one of their competitors was responsible and throw off investigators that way.

Or they're just plain mean.

55 badger1970  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:07:30pm

Was the cause of death hanging? If so, that's a personal way to do it. Message sent, message received. But to blame Beck, Bachmann and the tea parties for this? What was that talk show that got into trouble for a guest that was murdered?

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:07:43pm

re: #51 Salamantis

Maybe they're dumb, and think that the same tactics that worked back home work here.

In some parts of those Hills, the law is tolerated about as much as in some places in Mexico. It's a whole 'nother world.

57 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:08:23pm

re: #54 Danny

Or they're just plain mean.

Appalachian hillbillies can hold a grudge for a looong time...see the Hatfield/McCoy feud.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:08:28pm

no mentiono of the deceased's race?

59 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:08:39pm

re: #44 talon_262

If this is the case, they just brought a whole mountain of shit to their doorstep by hanging him and making an example of him. While it's going to scare the hell out of census takers, local law enforcement isn't going to take kindly to a bunch of hillbillies hanging people.

It's one thing to grow pot or have a still, and nobody's the wiser. It's an entirely different thing to lynch people, and write anti-government messages on the corpse.

There are probably dogs out there, right now, smelling their way to the source.

60 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:08:58pm

re: #47 Desert Dog

That works in Mexico, not here. If you kill someone as a way to tell the law to back off, you get more law crawling up your a** than you could ever want.

The cartels are nasty enough to try such a tactic anyway. They likely think we're weak and will back off if hit hard. If not saying it was them, but it could be.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:09:02pm

re: #37 Bagua

KY currently having the third largest domestic cannabis crop fits.

Good climate for it, I suppose. At least in the warm months.

62 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:09:10pm

OK all this moonshine talk makes me thirsty...Talisker time.

63 Kilroy  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:09:32pm

re: #45 Salamantis
It will be informative if he was hung pre or post mortem.

64 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:09:45pm

re: #56 ggt

In some parts of those Hills, the law is tolerated about as much as in some places in Mexico. It's a whole 'nother world.

In some of those counties, the sheriffs don't chase pot growers, they protect them. Because if they went down, what's left of their poor rural economies would collapse completely.

65 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:10:00pm

re: #59 theheat

If this is the case, they just brought a whole mountain of shit to their doorstep by hanging him and making an example of him. While it's going to scare the hell out of census takers, local law enforcement isn't going to take kindly to a bunch of hillbillies hanging people.

It's one thing to grow pot or have a still, and nobody's the wiser. It's an entirely different thing to lynch people, and write anti-government messages on the corpse.

There are probably dogs out there, right now, smelling their way to the source.

It's not just backyard growers and a still or two --it's a whole industry --like in California. BIG, BIG money is involved. All illegal.

66 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:10:02pm

re: #55 badger1970

Was the cause of death hanging? If so, that's a personal way to do it. Message sent, message received. But to blame Beck, Bachmann and the tea parties for this? What was that talk show that got into trouble for a guest that was murdered?

That would be Jenny Jones...

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:10:32pm

re: #64 Salamantis

In some of those counties, the sheriffs don't chase pot growers, they protect them. Because if they went down, what's left of their poor rural economies would collapse completely.

"You can only police the people as much as they want to be policed"

--can't remember the source.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:11:03pm

re: #41 Danny

Gilbert Acciardo, a retired Kentucky state trooper who directs an after-school program at the elementary school where Sparkman was a frequent substitute teacher, said he had warned Sparkman to be careful when he did his Census work.
"I told him on more than one occasion, based on my years in the state police, 'Mr. Sparkman, when you go into those counties, be careful because people are going to perceive you different than they do elsewhere,'" Acciardo said.

People who live in that region have a long history of being antagonistic toward federal authorities.

So many novels have informed me. And I know jack about the area beyond that, so I really can't even guess at what this looks like if you know the country and the people.

And regardless of what comes out, that does his family no good. God. What a disaster.

69 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:11:13pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

The cartels are nasty enough to try such a tactic anyway. They likely think we're weak and will back off if hit hard. If not saying it was them, but it could be.

Mexican cartels operating in the Appalachians isn't exactly unheard of, either.

70 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:11:33pm

re: #51 Salamantis

Maybe they're dumb, and think that the same tactics that worked back home work here.

That would not surprise me. They just arrested a bunch of guys that were involved in home invasions, kidnappings, extortions...all from Mexico. Mostly preying on other Mexican Nationals. If the Phoenix cops keep this up, we may lose our title as "Kidnapping Capital of the USA"
Arrests in Phoenix Home Invasion Cases

71 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:11:50pm

re: #55 badger1970

Was the cause of death hanging? If so, that's a personal way to do it. Message sent, message received. But to blame Beck, Bachmann and the tea parties for this? What was that talk show that got into trouble for a guest that was murdered?

This demonizing of the census has possible consequences- that's the point.

Just like the demonizing of Dr. Tiller. Get it?

72 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:12:26pm

re: #15 talon_262

re: #27 ggt

Sorry, but some people are better off drunk.

The notorious German artist Horst Janssen, of whose then unrecognized work I am proud to possess two originals, had a girlfriend who said, "When he was drinking, it was so much better."

In "Man's Fate" by Malraux (aroogah aroogah aroogha leftist alert!) the concluding conversation is about someone having chosen the wrong drug. Id est, each of us has one made for us.

Beck has chosen notoriety. He should revert to alcohol.

That is all.

73 AFSarge  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:13:39pm

From his mom:

She said investigators have given her few details about her son's death — they told her the body was decomposed — and haven't yet released his body for burial. "I was told it would be better for him to be cremated," she said.

If it's that far gone, way outta line to link it to the Sept 12 tea party.

74 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:13:48pm

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

75 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:14:01pm

re: #69 Fenway_Nation

Mexican cartels operating in the Appalachians isn't exactly unheard of, either.

Head up to Northern California...north of Santa Rosa and Sonoma...they are taking over the "home grown" market. It's like Beirut up there in some counties.

76 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:14:03pm

re: #64 Salamantis

re: #65 ggt

It's the same mentality in the hills as when moonshin' was big, only the products have changes to pot and meth...the crooked cops look the other way when the money's good and the good ones wind up dead or pushed out.

/just like Steve Earle sung about in Copperhead Road...

77 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:14:42pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

So many novels have informed me. And I know jack about the area beyond that, so I really can't even guess at what this looks like if you know the country and the people.

And regardless of what comes out, that does his family no good. God. What a disaster.

My Dad's from that area of the world --grew up before rural electricity and attended a one-room schoolhouse. And, Yes, I've heard stories. I also know my Dad. Everything is based on merit --what you've earned and the experiences others have had in knowing you --your character. Outsiders are viewed with suspicion until they are "tried and true".

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:15:16pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

re: #27 ggt

Sorry, but some people are better off drunk.

The notorious German artist Horst Janssen, of whose then unrecognized work I am proud to possess two originals, had a girlfriend who said, "When he was drinking, it was so much better."

In "Man's Fate" by Malraux (aroogah aroogah aroogha leftist alert!) the concluding conversation is about someone having chosen the wrong drug. Id est, each of us has one made for us.

Beck has chosen notoriety. He should revert to alcohol.

That is all.

Cato, leave it alone.

79 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:15:25pm

re: #74 Charles

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

Or unless they wanted people to think that there was a political motive, rather than that the guy just stumbled on a pot field, and its owners couldn't risk him squealing.

80 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:15:33pm

re: #70 Desert Dog

Believe it or not, that kind of stuff is going on right now in my little rural area. Meth dealers, armed, have been breaking in and stealing everything that isn't nailed down. My neighbor, across the street, down the road, around town - it's been everywhere. This isn't just punkass stuff - it's armed robbery, and it's more organized than anyone suspected. Makes living in the sticks here a little spooky, lately.

I may be a vegetarian, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't blow a hole in someone in the middle of the night.

81 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:15:52pm

This detail in one of the AP stories suggests that he had been hanging for several days before his body was discovered on 12 September:

Sparkman's mother... said investigators have given her few details about her son's death — they told her the body was decomposed — and haven't yet released his body for burial. "I was told it would be better for him to be cremated," she said.

Of course, an alternate interpretation is that the body had been mutilated, and the investigators resorted to a little white lie when they told his mother that the body was too "decomposed" for an open-casket funeral. So we'll have to wait and see what the forthcoming reports say.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:16:22pm

re: #80 theheat

Believe it or not, that kind of stuff is going on right now in my little rural area. Meth dealers, armed, have been breaking in and stealing everything that isn't nailed down. My neighbor, across the street, down the road, around town - it's been everywhere. This isn't just punkass stuff - it's armed robbery, and it's more organized than anyone suspected. Makes living in the sticks here a little spooky, lately.

I may be a vegetarian, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't blow a hole in someone in the middle of the night.

But you wouldn't eat them after you'd shot them, right?

83 fizzlogic  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:16:43pm

Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, single parent, cancer survivor, just trying to make ends meet -- Michele Bachmann must feel proud.

84 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:16:51pm

re: #74 Charles

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

I think you are right. A body is evidence. No evidence is best if you are doing something illegal. If this poor guy stumbled into something illegal, they probably would have never found his body. By hanging him, it sure seems like a "statement" of some sorts. The poor fellow.

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:04pm

re: #73 AFSarge

From his mom:

She said investigators have given her few details about her son's death — they told her the body was decomposed — and haven't yet released his body for burial. "I was told it would be better for him to be cremated," she said.

If it's that far gone, way outta line to link it to the Sept 12 tea party.

Do you know how quickly a body decomposes out in the hot humid air of Kentucky?

Decomposition: Time is variable

In summer, a human body in an exposed location can be reduced to bones alone in just nine days.

86 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:09pm

The word "Fed" may been put on the body be because the killer mistook this man for an FBI agent.

87 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:28pm

re: #74 Charles

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

How many illicit pot farms or meth labs would investigators stumble across while searching for Mr. Sparkman after he's been reported missing?

88 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:30pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Heavens no. Never touch the stuff.

89 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:38pm

re: #74 Charles

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

It could still be a cartel killing. They often display their victim's bodies to make a statement. I actually hope its them. If its anti-government, then we've got a real problem.

90 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:17:53pm

re: #79 Salamantis

Or unless they wanted people to think that there was a political motive, rather than that the guy just stumbled on a pot field, and its owners couldn't risk him squealing.

Perhaps he stumbled onto Elvis playing poker with Big Foot.

91 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:18:03pm

The DEA never knows who or what they are going to deal with, but here in California they go loaded for war. The Mexican cartels grow on public lands and are known to be violent.

Here is a picture from this article in the Fresno Bee that shows how these agents are ready to go into a war zone when they go on a raid.

92 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:18:19pm

re: #74 Charles

The more I think about it, the more I doubt that this was a simple drug-related killing. It's not their style at all. They would just take the body and bury it in some backwoods area where it would never be found, or sink it in a lake, or something similar. It makes no sense to stage what seems like a political statement, unless there was a political motive.

It's possible it was purely politically motivated, but as a Tennessean (about 150 miles away from where this went down), the stories about how hillbillies can be towards outsiders (and those associated with the federal government) makes be think that some good ol' boys didn't want this census taker on their turf.

But until there's more facts, it's all conjecture.

93 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:19:12pm

Do we know the race of the victim?...If he was not white then hanging has deep symbolic meaning, especially in the rural South.

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:19:30pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

It could still be a cartel killing. They often display their victim's bodies to make a statement. I actually hope its them. If its anti-government, then we've got a real problem.

Either way, it's a big problem. If the Fed's start combing those hills, there are going to be a lot of dead Federal Agents --

Frankly, either scenerio scares the sh!t out of me.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:20:10pm

re: #93 Ringo the Gringo

Do we know the race of the victim?...If he was not white then hanging has deep symbolic meaning, especially in the rural South.

Oy. I do not want to go there.

I don't want to go most places this seems it could go, for that matter.

96 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:20:40pm

re: #91 karmic_inquisitor

The DEA never knows who or what they are going to deal with, but here in California they go loaded for war. The Mexican cartels grow on public lands and are known to be violent.

Here is a picture from this article in the Fresno Bee that shows how these agents are ready to go into a war zone when they go on a raid.

They have to go in heavy. Down Mexico way, the Zetas who work for the cartels have actually thwarted anti-drug raids. Not just gotten away, but actually forced the Federales to retreat. Cartel enforcers are no joke and even in the US they would be well beyond the resources of a rural sheriff's department to deal with.

97 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:20:50pm

re: #55 badger1970

Was the cause of death hanging? If so, that's a personal way to do it. Message sent, message received. But to blame Beck, Bachmann and the tea parties for this? What was that talk show that got into trouble for a guest that was murdered?

I updinged this because at this point, it appears to me that the discovery of the body on the same day as the DC Tea Party was entirely coincidental.

98 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:20:57pm

re: #94 ggt

Either way, it's a big problem. If the Fed's start combing those hills, there are going to be a lot of dead Federal Agents --

Frankly, either scenerio scares the sh!t out of me.

Yeah...in a way, it's our own little piece of Kandahar.

99 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:21:00pm

re: #93 Ringo the Gringo

Do we know the race of the victim?...If he was not white then hanging has deep symbolic meaning, especially in the rural South.

Huffpo has a pic.

100 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:21:20pm

re: #80 theheat

Believe it or not, that kind of stuff is going on right now in my little rural area. Meth dealers, armed, have been breaking in and stealing everything that isn't nailed down. My neighbor, across the street, down the road, around town - it's been everywhere. This isn't just punkass stuff - it's armed robbery, and it's more organized than anyone suspected. Makes living in the sticks here a little spooky, lately.

I may be a vegetarian, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't blow a hole in someone in the middle of the night.

We've had 300+ kidnappings in the Phoenix area for the past few years. Almost all of them involving either human smuggling or the drug trade. It is all Mexican on Mexican crime. People get held for ransom until the people back home pay up. If they don't pay. They kill them. They find executed bodies out in the desert all the time here. Rape, murder, kidnapping, extortion...welcome to the New Narcocracy from our neighbors to the south.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:21:33pm

If this is the same guy, he looks white to me.

102 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:21:40pm

re: #78 ggt

Cato, leave it alone.

No.

103 Athens Runaway  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:22:41pm

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

The hypothesis that requires the least prior assumptions in order to be consistent is usually the correct one.

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:22:41pm

A video report:

FLV Video
105 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:23:11pm

re: #94 ggt

Either way, it's a big problem. If the Fed's start combing those hills, there are going to be a lot of dead Federal Agents --

Frankly, either scenerio scares the sh!t out of me.

The answer to that is to use UAVs for air search. They find something and check it out. If its a drug lab, distillery, or militia camp you send in a helicopter-born strike team.

106 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:24:17pm

Rachel Maddow covered this story

107 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:24:38pm

re: #93 Ringo the Gringo

Do we know the race of the victim?...If he was not white then hanging has deep symbolic meaning, especially in the rural South.

re: #102 Cato the Elder

I don't wish a alcoholic relapse on anyone, even someone as odious as Beck.

But you're bound and determined to be a dick on this one, so take a word of advice: Stop before you get stomped.

108 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:24:58pm

re: #104 Charles

So, he might not have been doing census work.

We can't assume anything.

109 AFSarge  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:25:00pm

re: #85 Charles

From the same article:

Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and teacher, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest in rural southeast Kentucky

The article says he was found sept 12, not the 23rd

110 GreenSoccer  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:25:25pm

It is totally disgusting. I hope they hunt down the murderers and give them the death penalty. I would call them names but I would have to check the PC word list. My gut reaction is that it is a small mob action combined with alcohol, no thinking involved.
I hope from now on Federal workers will work with partners and have cell phones with 911 buttons and locators.
Going from home to home sounds pretty primitive and pretty expensive these days as people have phones and computers.

111 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:25:44pm

re: #107 talon_262

But you're bound and determined to be a dick on this one, so take a word of advice: Stop before you get stomped.

No. He'd be nicer at a bar with a cigar and a ho.

112 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:25:50pm

re: #109 AFSarge

The article says he was found sept 12, not the 23rd

Correct.

113 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:25:53pm

re: #55 badger1970

Was the cause of death hanging? If so, that's a personal way to do it. Message sent, message received. But to blame Beck, Bachmann and the tea parties for this? What was that talk show that got into trouble for a guest that was murdered?

I wrote "let's not jump to conclusions." I also wrote that the circumstances made it look "suspicious." How is that "blaming Beck, Bachmann, and the tea parties?"

114 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:26:04pm

re: #107 talon_262

Sorry Ringo...this was not addressed to you, only Cato.

115 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:26:24pm

Since drugs have come up, her's a song for the thread:

Youtube Video
116 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:26:37pm

re: #114 talon_262

Sorry Ringo...this was not addressed to you, only Cato.

And, as I said: better off drunk.

117 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:26:50pm

re: #85 Charles

It's September 23rd. Eleven days after the tea party. Do you know how quickly a body decomposes out in the hot humid air of Kentucky in 11 days?

But that's neither here nor there, because according to the AP story, the already-decomposed body was found on 12 September.

118 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:26:58pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Good climate for it, I suppose. At least in the warm months.

Not so much the climate, nor the soil, but rather the hilly terrain, the long history growing cannabis, moonshine, aversion to Feds, and a long history of federal crackdowns on Cannabis and before that moonshine. The KY growers are not hippie types, they are tougher breed.

However, I'm only musing, I certainly would not rule out a political angle with all the militant hysteria we are witnessing.

119 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:27:08pm

re: #116 Cato the Elder

And, as I said: better off drunk.

I'm sure his wife and family feel that way too.

/asshole

120 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:27:30pm

re: #116 Cato the Elder

And, as I said: better off drunk.

Have at it, asshole...

121 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:27:39pm

I knew someone once who grew pot in a river delta, in pails with holes in the bottoms. He placed them far enough upriver so that the backup from the tides watered them twice a day without the salt water reaching that far up.

He also loved to catch snakes, and had a nasty habit of tying mocassins by their tails next to the pails.

122 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:28:53pm

re: #117 Throbert McGee

But that's neither here nor there, because according to the AP story, the already-decomposed body was found on 12 September.

Point conceded. But if a body can be reduced to bones in 9 days, significant decomposition can take place in a very short time, especially in the Kentucky summer.

123 theheat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:29:43pm

Has it been established what day he went missing?

124 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:30:36pm

re: #103 Athens Runaway

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

The hypothesis that requires the least prior assumptions in order to be consistent is usually the correct one.

In Occam's razor, if that is what you are referring to, the simplest explanation that fits the data is preferable but only if the two or more hypotheses have identical predictive value.

125 laZardo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:32:09pm

re: #122 Charles

I think it should already be autumn months up there though, so things will have cooled down a bit.

126 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:32:48pm

re: #125 laZardo

I think it should already be autumn months up there though, so things will have cooled down a bit.

Harvest time is the most dangerous.

127 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:32:59pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Why I'm Moving to New England, Reason No. 6,301.

Hey, c'mon down here to Tennessee Cato. Good food, great weather, no state tax. And best of all, no "duty to retreat" if some scumbag invades your house.

128 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:33:02pm

One of my Army buddies was from Hawaii (the big island) and said he had a 'friend of a friend' who had taken to setting up marijuana crops in some of the hollowed out lava tubes on the island. Besides being kept out of plain sight, it also would thwart the DEA's thermal imaging when they'd fly over via helicopter (that was over 10 years ago, tho'. I'm sure both sides have modified tactics since then).

Hawaiian pot growers would strike me as being a little more laid back than their Appalaichin counterparts.

129 shiplord kirel  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:33:18pm

I posted this on July 19th under Free Republic Founder Calls for Revolution:


I don't plan to mute my criticism of ACORN but I have frankly been a little uneasy about it.
On the one hand, I still believe it is a serious abuse of power for the administration to give federal funding and, essentially, federal power to what is indisputably a partisan political advocacy group. This is true even though the abuse is orders of maginitude less severe than kooks like Michelle Bachmann claim.
On the other hand, I don't want to incite some gun-shop commando to take pot-shots at the census takers when they come up his driveway.emphasis added

I hope to God this was a suicide and it is a sad and sorry day when that is the best outcome of several.

130 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:33:19pm

Looks like the Mexican cartels have played it cool so far here in California when it comes to defending farms-

So far, the extreme violence that the Mexican cartels practice back home hasn't spilled over to California. Up north, says one Drug Enforcement Administration agent, "They're better behaved." But the main Mexican cartels — La Familia, Los Gueros, the Sinaloa and Tijuana cartels — are all growing cannabis in California, and have ties with Hispanic gangs in 240 cities across the U.S. For now, says DEA spokesman Rusty Paine, "The kidnapping and the killings are on the other side of the border. But any time you have drugs, money and weapons together, bad things will happen." And with many of California state parks set to close down, odds are they'll happen soon.

[Link: www.time.com...]

131 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:33:51pm

Here's the Maddow report -- she interviews AP's Justice Department correspondent, who says that it's unlikely that the FBI and other federal agencies would still be involved at this point if they didn't suspect anti-government motivations related to his census work:

FLV Video
132 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:34:05pm

I would pay the cost of a date with Pam Geller (currently about three out-of-circulation Italian lire) to see Glenn Beck staggering around with a bottle in his hand. And film it.

If that makes me a bad person, I'm a bad person.

133 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:34:35pm

Fox news put this story on their home page.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

They have a picture from 2008. Looks like he was being treated for cancer at the time.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:35:03pm

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

One of my Army buddies was from Hawaii (the big island) and said he had a 'friend of a friend' who had taken to setting up marijuana crops in some of the hollowed out lava tubes on the island. Besides being kept out of plain sight, it also would thwart the DEA's thermal imaging when they'd fly over via helicopter (that was over 10 years ago, tho'. I'm sure both sides have modified tactics since then).

Hawaiian pot growers would strike me as being a little more laid back than their Appalaichin counterparts.

No, they'll also shoot you.

135 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:35:43pm

re: #126 Salamantis

Harvest time is the most dangerous.

He meant the actual temperatures. You are of course correct about the moonshiners. They are most like to be dangerous when the grains used for whiskey are being gathered. Those grains are their raw materials.

136 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:36:22pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

If that makes me a bad person, I'm a bad person.

I came to that conclusion well before this topic came up.

137 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:36:28pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

I would pay the cost of a date with Pam Geller (currently about three out-of-circulation Italian lire) to see Glenn Beck staggering around with a bottle in his hand. And film it.

If that makes me a bad person, I'm a bad person.

Just keep pusing them buttons, Cato...while I'm definitely no fan of Beck, your wish for him to fall off the wagon for your amusement reeks of pomposity and cruelty.

138 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:36:36pm

re: #122 Charles

Point conceded. But if a body can be reduced to bones in 9 days, significant decomposition can take place in a very short time, especially in the Kentucky summer.

True that. Also note that "too decomposed for an open casket" and "too decomposed to identify without dental records" are quite different things, and may be days apart.

139 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:36:57pm

Murder In The Red Barn

Youtube Video
140 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:06pm

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

One of my Army buddies was from Hawaii (the big island) and said he had a 'friend of a friend' who had taken to setting up marijuana crops in some of the hollowed out lava tubes on the island. Besides being kept out of plain sight, it also would thwart the DEA's thermal imaging when they'd fly over via helicopter (that was over 10 years ago, tho'. I'm sure both sides have modified tactics since then).

Hawaiian pot growers would strike me as being a little more laid back than their Appalaichin counterparts.

That's something else the guy I knew took advantage of with delta planting; in the southern summer, the warm water glows like dope on those things.

That's also why growers farther inland plant along the banks of tiny feeder streams.

141 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:07pm

re: #123 theheat

Has it been established what day he went missing?

The first video report that Charles posted says he didn't show up to school on a Thursday. Not sure which one prior to the discovery of his body on the 12th though.

142 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:20pm

re: #137 talon_262

err, meant 'pushing"

143 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:26pm

re: #131 Charles

Here's the Maddow report -- she interviews AP's Justice Department correspondent, who says that it's unlikely that the FBI and other federal agencies will still be involved at this point if they didn't suspect anti-government motivations related to his census work:

It was interesting to note they've been withholding this report because of the sensitivities to the potential political ramifications. I'm already a bit surprised to see how quickly people are trying to point away from this possibility.

144 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:27pm

re: #126 Salamantis

Harvest time is the most dangerous.

True, but it's not harvest time that far south, even in the hills. It is theft or bust time however.

145 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:28pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

I would pay the cost of a date with Pam Geller (currently about three out-of-circulation Italian lire) to see Glenn Beck staggering around with a bottle in his hand. And film it.

If that makes me a bad person, I'm a bad person.

I, on the other hand, would pay the cost of a bottle to see Glenn Beck staggering around drunk on a date with Pam Geller.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:37:30pm

re: #125 laZardo

I think it should already be autumn months up there though, so things will have cooled down a bit.

No, it's still hot.

147 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:38:01pm

Ooh. I shall not sleep tonight.

Good night to Your Particular Pomposities natheless.

148 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:38:13pm

re: #131 Charles

Here's the Maddow report -- she interviews AP's Justice Department correspondent, who says that it's unlikely that the FBI and other federal agencies will still be involved at this point if they didn't suspect anti-government motivations related to his census work:

It's almost certain it was anti-government sentiment at the root.

149 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:38:19pm

re: #130 karmic_inquisitor

Looks like the Mexican cartels have played it cool so far here in California when it comes to defending farms-

[Link: www.time.com...]

Key words being so far. The cartels are predatory, if they see law enforcement weakening, they'll move in and try to run off any rangers or cops remaining.

150 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:38:22pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

He meant the actual temperatures. You are of course correct about the moonshiners. They are most like to be dangerous when the grains used for whiskey are being gathered. Those grains are their raw materials.

And when the buds are read for picking.

151 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:38:31pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Ooh. I shall not sleep tonight.

Good night to Your Particular Pomposities natheless.

FOAD, jackass...

152 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:39:51pm

re: #125 laZardo

I think it should already be autumn months up there though, so things will have cooled down a bit.


If you think 85 degrees F is cool.

153 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:39:57pm

re: #145 swamprat
Double for Beck double dating with Sarah Palin and chiropratic Doctor to be named at a later date.

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:40:08pm

re: #150 Salamantis

And when the buds are read for picking.

Exactly. This an important time of year for growers and distillers, and you are right to point that out Sal.

155 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:40:17pm

re: #141 Danny

The first video report that Charles posted says he didn't show up to school on a Thursday. Not sure which one prior to the discovery of his body on the 12th though.

Well... erm... since the word "fed" was still legible on his torso as of the 12th, I'd assume Thursday the 10th rather than Thursday the 3rd.

156 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:40:27pm

re: #146 ggt

No, it's still hot.

It's not the reduction in summer heat that prompts bud production; it's the variation in the sunlight/dark cycle.

157 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:40:44pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #131 Charles

Here's the Maddow report -- she interviews AP's Justice Department correspondent, who says that it's unlikely that the FBI and other federal agencies would still be involved at this point if they didn't suspect anti-government motivations related to his census work:

Federal agencies also could be involved because the marijuana crops are routinely grown in national forests. I believe the US Forest Service has a dedicated task force along those lines...

158 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:40:57pm

re: #156 Salamantis

It's not the reduction in summer heat that prompts bud production; it's the variation in the sunlight/dark cycle.

Farmer Sal? How the "crop" this year? ;-)

159 laZardo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:41:09pm

re: #152 BignJames

Where I live, it's still far from boiling. q;

160 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:41:23pm

re: #151 talon_262

FOAD, jackass...

good grief, relax

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:41:54pm

re: #156 Salamantis

It's not the reduction in summer heat that prompts bud production; it's the variation in the sunlight/dark cycle.

I thought it was a reference to the time it would take for the body to decompose. sorry.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:42:38pm

re: #160 albusteve

good grief, relax

Leave it alone albusteve.--very sore subject --let it go.

163 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:42:44pm

re: #158 Desert Dog

Farmer Sal? How the "crop" this year? ;-)

One also would want to plant where it is windier, as wind prompts the production of more protective resin.

But no, I'm not a grower. Al least not for a long time now...;~)

164 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:42:44pm

Dark charges from Cardinal Mahony's inner circle

A monsignor testifies he wrote a memo urging the cardinal to tell police about molestation by a priest. Perhaps, a paper trail exists.

If you've got rosary beads handy, please say a prayer for the leader of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Last week was not a good one for Cardinal Roger Mahony, and there may be no letup in weeks to come if a certain monsignor continues to testify in a deposition being taken as part of a civil case against Mahony and the diocese.

Msgr. Richard Loomis, former vicar of clergy for the archdiocese, said under oath that in the year 2000 he wrote a memo advocating that the archdiocese inform police about allegations of sexual abuse by a now-defrocked priest named Michael Baker. Mahony, Loomis testified, directed him not to report the allegations.

That testimony grabbed the attention of those who have followed the years-long molestation scandal, in which Mahony has fought like a tomcat to withhold documents sought by investigators and has had PR teams build him an image as a reformer.

In all that time, no one from Mahony's inner circle had dared stand up and point a finger at the cardinal until Loomis did so last week. With the testimony by Loomis, there wasn't just a challenge to the archdiocesan leader, but a suggestion that a paper trail exists.

Loomis testified that when he found out Baker was still performing baptisms despite allegations of abuse in the 1990s and orders to discontinue ministry, he sent a memo to Mahony recommending that they call the police. He testified that Mahony "wrote on the memo and initially his response was to proceed but then through the general counsel's office I was told . . . that we were going to wait," said Loomis.

The monsignor also testified that Mahony ordered him not to inform parishes where Baker had worked of allegations against the priest.

... As Luis noted, Mahony knew about Baker's behavior long before Loomis asked the cardinal to call the police. Baker told The Times in 2002 that he told Mahony of his "problem" in the 1980s. Mahony sent him to a treatment center in New Mexico and then allowed him to continue serving in a limited capacity as long as he stayed away from minors. But Baker's abuse of boys continued. Luis said he was abused by Baker many times over the course of several years.

"I was 15, a young boy, an altar boy, and my whole family gave their trust to" Baker, Luis said. "We opened our doors to him and the person we thought was a sacred man, a good person, a good human being -- it turns out that all along he was a monster."

John Manly, the attorney who represents Luis and took the Loomis deposition, said he will ask the court to order the archdiocese to produce the memo Loomis spoke of.

"If Loomis is correct," Manly said, Mahony was "encouraging people not to call police and to intentionally cover it up. You wonder where law enforcement is on this."

165 Athens Runaway  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:42:50pm

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

re: #131 Charles

Federal agencies also could be involved because the marijuana crops are routinely grown in national forests. I believe the US Forest Service has a dedicated task force along those lines...

Nah. Rachel Maddow said it was right-wingers, must be true. Next up on the Rachel Maddow Show: The Bailout. Was it awesome or incredibly awesome?

166 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:01pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

No, they'll also shoot you.


Really? This guy's 'friend of a friend' relied more on stealth, covering his tracks and plausable deniability than violence from what I was told.

(Of course, this is coming from a guy who never set foot on the Big Island)

167 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:13pm

I see we have some AA fundies here. May I disrespectfully thumb my noses at Bill W. and Doctor Bob?

Probably not, but I just did.

168 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:19pm

re: #125 laZardo

I think it should already be autumn months up there though, so things will have cooled down a bit.

Nope, still summer here. Warm and humid.

169 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:24pm

re: #165 Athens Runaway

Nah. Rachel Maddow said it was right-wingers, must be true. Next up on the Rachel Maddow Show: The Bailout. Was it awesome or incredibly awesome?

She did not say that.

170 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:28pm

re: #160 albusteve

good grief, relax

Hey, I didn't start it but I aim to finish it (that is, unless Charles gets involved).

171 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:35pm

G'night, anyway.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:43:51pm

Got to go to bed. Have a lecture on the role of the verb, action, linking, auxiliary, transitive and intransitive to give in the morning. With a powerpoint, no less.

Why don't they teach this stuff when they're little enough to enjoy Grammar Bingo, she mutters, I really wish they would...

173 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:44:21pm

re: #148 Danny

It's almost certain it was anti-government sentiment at the root.

Note that the same people who would be growing cannabis, would also be very anti-Fed, Militia types as well, there could be a variety of crazy involved assuming it is a homicide.

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:44:23pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

I see we have some AA fundies here. May I disrespectfully thumb my noses at Bill W. and Doctor Bob?

Probably not, but I just did.

One doesn't have to be an "AA fundie" to have compassion for what you obviously have not.

175 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:44:33pm

re: #163 Salamantis

One also would want to plant where it is windier, as wind prompts the production of more protective resin.

But no, I'm not a grower. Al least not for a long time now...;~)

I dallied in "farming" while in college. Grow lights and the closet was my "back forty". Had some friends that did the hydroponics...that was nice. But alas, that was me youth...too old for that now.

176 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:44:48pm

re: #164 HelloDare

Dark charges from Cardinal Mahony's inner circle

A monsignor testifies he wrote a memo urging the cardinal to tell police about molestation by a priest. Perhaps, a paper trail exists.

If you've got rosary beads handy, please say a prayer for the leader of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Last week was not a good one for Cardinal Roger Mahony, and there may be no letup in weeks to come if a certain monsignor continues to testify in a deposition being taken as part of a civil case against Mahony and the diocese.

Msgr. Richard Loomis, former vicar of clergy for the archdiocese, said under oath that in the year 2000 he wrote a memo advocating that the archdiocese inform police about allegations of sexual abuse by a now-defrocked priest named Michael Baker. Mahony, Loomis testified, directed him not to report the allegations.

That testimony grabbed the attention of those who have followed the years-long molestation scandal, in which Mahony has fought like a tomcat to withhold documents sought by investigators and has had PR teams build him an image as a reformer.

In all that time, no one from Mahony's inner circle had dared stand up and point a finger at the cardinal until Loomis did so last week. With the testimony by Loomis, there wasn't just a challenge to the archdiocesan leader, but a suggestion that a paper trail exists.

Loomis testified that when he found out Baker was still performing baptisms despite allegations of abuse in the 1990s and orders to discontinue ministry, he sent a memo to Mahony recommending that they call the police. He testified that Mahony "wrote on the memo and initially his response was to proceed but then through the general counsel's office I was told . . . that we were going to wait," said Loomis.

The monsignor also testified that Mahony ordered him not to inform parishes where Baker had worked of allegations against the priest.

... As Luis noted, Mahony knew about Baker's behavior long before Loomis asked the cardinal to call the police. Baker told The Times in 2002 that he told Mahony of his "problem" in the 1980s. Mahony sent him to a treatment center in New Mexico and then allowed him to continue serving in a limited capacity as long as he stayed away from minors. But Baker's abuse of boys continued. Luis said he was abused by Baker many times over the course of several years.

"I was 15, a young boy, an altar boy, and my whole family gave their trust to" Baker, Luis said. "We opened our doors to him and the person we thought was a sacred man, a good person, a good human being -- it turns out that all along he was a monster."

John Manly, the attorney who represents Luis and took the Loomis deposition, said he will ask the court to order the archdiocese to produce the memo Loomis spoke of.

"If Loomis is correct," Manly said, Mahony was "encouraging people not to call police and to intentionally cover it up. You wonder where law enforcement is on this."

This is a really disgusting story. I was reading it earlier. I'm going to post about it tomorrow, and no doubt I'll be called "anti-religion" again.

177 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:44:58pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. This an important time of year for growers and distillers, and you are right to point that out Sal.

So, then shiplord kirel may have hit the nail on the head when he quoted:

On the other hand, I don't want to incite some gun-shop commando to take pot-shots at the census takers when they come up his driveway.

178 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:45:05pm

re: #156 Salamantis
Walk over and break the stems on labor day.(will regrow with more sap) Harvest on Thanksgiving.
I resisted recruitment. Friend said no one would suspect me because I am outside of the typical profile.

179 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:45:27pm

re: #173 Bagua

Note that the same people who would be growing cannabis, would also be very anti-Fed, Militia types as well, there could be a variety of crazy involved assuming it is a homicide.


Or they could just be crooks.

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:45:57pm

re: #160 albusteve

good grief, relax

Agreed, been listening to Mo (zart) tonight. Symphonies, #41 is extra nice. Reminds me of the hot chick who makes the squeekies...
Erika Miklosa as Queen of the Night "Der Hölle Rache"

Youtube Video

I'm gonna google "schmenza". sounds nice.

181 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:46:01pm

re: #173 Bagua

Note that the same people who would be growing cannabis, would also be very anti-Fed, Militia types as well, there could be a variety of crazy involved assuming it is a homicide.

That's what I've been saying. Anti-government sentiment around those parts is not a recent development.

182 Clemente  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:46:13pm

re: #145 swamprat

I, on the other hand, would pay the cost of a bottle to see Glenn Beck staggering around drunk on a date with Pam Geller.

I'd be happy if they both quietly escaped the inebriated fugue of bigotry overwhelming so many in their niche...

183 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:46:47pm

re: #164 HelloDare

I have nothing nice to say here.
That is all.

184 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:47:02pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Do you congratulate yourself each night for out douchebagging yourself with each passing day?

185 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:47:29pm
Henrie Sparkman said her son's death is a mystery to her.

"I have my own ideas, but I can't say them out loud. Not at this point," she said. "Right now, what I'm doing, I'm just waiting on the FBI to come to some conclusion."

186 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:47:55pm

re: #181 Danny

That's what I've been saying. Anti-government sentiment around those parts is not a recent development.

No not recent at all, but certainly greatly inflamed by the current political atmosphere which may lead some to act on their sentiments.

187 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:48:10pm

re: #184 Fenway_Nation

Do you congratulate yourself each night for out douchebagging yourself with each passing day?

No, but I do congratulate myself on having slipped by the double-vision reference in my post.

Buona notte.

188 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:48:26pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds EXCELLENT!
Grammar Bingo

189 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:48:51pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

I see we have some AA fundies here. May I disrespectfully thumb my noses at Bill W. and Doctor Bob?

Probably not, but I just did.

You're being awfully fucking presumptuous to assume that anyone opposed to your little "Glenn Beck falls off the wagon" fantasy is an "AA fundie".

/bite me

190 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:49:23pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Agreed, been listening to Mo (zart) tonight. Symphonies, #41 is extra nice. Reminds me of the hot chick who makes the squeekies...
Erika Miklosa as Queen of the Night "Der Hölle Rache"

I'm gonna google "schmenza". sounds nice.

I, OTOH, just returned from a Taj Mahal/Bonnie Raitt show at the Sandia Casino Amplitheater...very cool but no Mo tonight

191 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:49:35pm

I'm guessing the front runner suspects are meth-dealing white separatist Nazi wannabees. I don't think it is Mexican pot dealers - seems stupid to draw attention like this. Meth = stupid and Nazi = stupid.

The more I read about this story the more it sucks. The victim was a single parent with a young son.

192 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:49:35pm

re: #186 Bagua

No not recent at all, but certainly greatly inflamed by the current political atmosphere which may lead some to act on their sentiments.

Quite possible.

193 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:01pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Got to go to bed. Have a lecture on the role of the verb, action, linking, auxiliary, transitive and intransitive to give in the morning. With a powerpoint, no less.

Why don't they teach this stuff when they're little enough to enjoy Grammar Bingo, she mutters, I really wish they would...

Tie it to some sort of prize. They will pay attention.

194 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:08pm

re: #190 albusteve

Humans make some very nice sounds sometimes, eh?

195 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:17pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

I see we have some AA fundies here. May I disrespectfully thumb my noses at Bill W. and Doctor Bob?

Probably not, but I just did.

I'm not a fundie, but I'm a big-time alcohol hater. My reasons can't be spoken online, but I've learned to hate the way booze can ruin people. What I'm not is a prohibitionist. I know Chicago's history too well.

196 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:19pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

no. please. don't go.

/

197 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:21pm

re: #150 Salamantis

And when the buds are read for picking.

re: #179 BignJames

Or they could just be crooks.

Too early for that by several weeks, unless just scouting.

198 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:33pm

re: #178 swamprat

Walk over and break the stems on labor day.(will regrow with more sap) Harvest on Thanksgiving.
I resisted recruitment. Friend said no one would suspect me because I am outside of the typical profile.

Down South, they grow what's called sappy piney sense. The reason that it's piney tasting is the same reason that it's sensemillia. It's an old Indian trick; you whittle yourself a spike of heart pine, jab it through the stem at the base, and leave it there. It acts like a natural plant contraceptive, preventing seed production, and also flavors the product.

199 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:50:59pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Humans make some very nice sounds sometimes, eh?

indeed, well put

200 shiplord kirel  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:51:42pm

This story has already been posted 5 separate times at Free Republic. I scooped these smelly nuggets from the first two dozen or so responses to thefirst one:

(4.) Sounds like a false flag operation to me.

(5.) Sorry, but I can’t help but think-— when somebody tells you to get off of their porch, you really should leave.

(30.)
(Re: "false flag operation".)
Absolutely. The boots on the ground people are just harmless, everyday people trying to earn a few dollars.
Someone is trying to push public sentiment.
Where was Nancy Pelosi at the time?

(18.)
Maybe the perpetrator ran out of paint before finishing, “Fed up with nosy questions.”

201 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:52:02pm

re: #196 Fenway_Nation

no. please. don't go.

/

He probably won't leave until we stop responding to his odious, snide Beck comment and his following justifications...his ego won't let him.

202 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:52:55pm

re: #201 talon_262

Wrong. Bye.

203 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:53:17pm

re: #176 Charles

Lotta monsters in the LA Dioscese, and then there's the story of the Taj Mahony. Nice building, courtesy of Sr. Mahoney.
Discalimer: not a Catholic, never was, never will be.
Just a local, disgusted, AGAIN, at the antics of the LA church, to cover up pedophiles. And spend the prescious donations of the members of the Church, doing so. Over & over & over.

204 laZardo  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:53:25pm

brb lunch.

205 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:53:26pm

re: #198 Salamantis

Down South, they grow what's called sappy piney sense. The reason that it's piney tasting is the same reason that it's sensemillia. It's an old Indian trick; you whittle yourself a spike of heart pine, jab it through the stem at the base, and leave it there. It acts like a natural plant contraceptive, preventing seed production, and also flavors the product.

in all my days of growing I never heard of that trick...makes me want to experiment again...when do you do this?

206 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:53:52pm

Not so much mystery to this on the surface if you're familiar with the geography... in this particular region, the word ' Fed ' scrawled on a body means just one thing: Narc.
Meth or moonshine, take your pick. I guarantee you the usual suspects here don't even follow which way the political winds are blowing in DC, much less time a murder to a tea party.

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:54:07pm

re: #200 shiplord kirel

This story has already been posted 5 separate times at Free Republic. I scooped these smelly nuggets from the first two dozen or so responses to thefirst one:

Bunch of shit-heads. Anyone who would say stuff like that is so far gone that sanity isn't even a distant glimmer in their rear-view mirror.

/spits on the freepers

208 Cheechako  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:54:19pm

Check out what wild-land firefighters can run into:

LOS ANGELES - The wildfire that has ravaged a national forest near Los Angeles has burned one plant species that authorities were happy to see go: marijuana, lots of it.

Pot goes up in smoke in wildfire near L.A.

209 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:54:37pm

re: #202 Cato the Elder

Wrong. Bye.

If you are going to bed, I'll leave you with this:

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

/egotistical douche

210 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:55:06pm

re: #205 albusteve

in all my days of growing I never heard of that trick...makes me want to experiment again...when do you do this?

When the plant stalks are big enough so that they can stand the stress, but before they begin to flower. Usually around June or July, depending upon your latitude.

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:55:24pm

re: #208 Cheechako

Check out what wild-land firefighters can run into:

LOS ANGELES - The wildfire that has ravaged a national forest near Los Angeles has burned one plant species that authorities were happy to see go: marijuana, lots of it.

Pot goes up in smoke in wildfire near L.A.

Just don't fly over a burning pot field, or you'll really be flying. :D

212 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:56:10pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Just don't fly over a burning pot field, or you'll really be flying. :D

WHEEE!

/let's make a dope deal!

213 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:56:56pm

re: #198 Salamantis

Interesting. Thinking about what would taste good with no seeds and a slight pine flavor...

214 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:57:43pm

re: #190 albusteve

I, OTOH, just returned from a Taj Mahal/Bonnie Raitt show at the Sandia Casino Amplitheater...very cool but no Mo tonight

Sounds like a great show!

215 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:57:48pm

re: #176 Charles

I can get my head around the fact that a sick and twisted individual would molest a child, but what in heaven's name is the motivation of Cardinal Mahony to cover up for these guys and help them do it again, and again, and again. In some ways, that makes Mahony sicker than the priest who molest.

216 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:58:32pm

re: #198 Salamantis

Down South, they grow what's called sappy piney sense. The reason that it's piney tasting is the same reason that it's sensemillia. It's an old Indian trick; you whittle yourself a spike of heart pine, jab it through the stem at the base, and leave it there. It acts like a natural plant contraceptive, preventing seed production, and also flavors the product.

Nice bit of lore that!

217 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:59:18pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Just don't fly over a burning pot field, or you'll really be flying. :D

Stoned Reporter

Youtube Video
218 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:59:39pm

re: #208 Cheechako

Check out what wild-land firefighters can run into:

LOS ANGELES - The wildfire that has ravaged a national forest near Los Angeles has burned one plant species that authorities were happy to see go: marijuana, lots of it.

Pot goes up in smoke in wildfire near L.A.

A large fire was started near Santa Barbara by a pot grower working for a Mexican drug gang.

219 shiplord kirel  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:59:40pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Bunch of shit-heads. Anyone who would say stuff like that is so far gone that sanity isn't even a distant glimmer in their rear-view mirror.

/spits on the freepers

What gets me is this "false flag" speculation, as though the most likely explanation is Obammunist hit squads going around the country murdering people to justify some intended crackdown on patriots, Christians, and Tea-Partiers. I practice empathy, it is a skill writers need, but I just cannot place myself in the mental world these people seem to inhabit.

220 BignJames  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 10:59:49pm

re: #205 albusteve

in all my days of growing I never heard of that trick...makes me want to experiment again...when do you do this?

Never heard of it...mine was resiny/piney all by itself...the way to eliminate seed production is to eliminate all male plants.

221 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:00:10pm

re: #215 HelloDare

I can get my head around the fact that a sick and twisted individual would molest a child, but what in heaven's name is the motivation of Cardinal Mahony to cover up for these guys and help them do it again, and again, and again. In some ways, that makes Mahony sicker than the priest who molest.

It is the culture of the coverup, we see a lot of it on the political threads, looking to excuse or distract from the extremists because it would be bad for the party.

222 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:00:45pm

re: #220 BignJames

Never heard of it...mine was resiny/piney all by itself...the way to eliminate seed production is to eliminate all male plants.

This way you don't have to do that.

223 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:01:33pm

re: #214 Desert Dog

Sounds like a great show!

Taj and Bonnie together are just terrific as they are both students of Delta and roots blues styles, but they both brought in their full bands...and the venue is awsome...Bonnie Raitt is a very very good guitarist

224 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:01:39pm

re: #221 Bagua

It is the culture of the coverup, we see a lot of it on the political threads, looking to excuse or distract from the extremists because it would be bad for the party.

Pass the trash...for years, rather than deal with it, the church just moved the scumbags around. That is just as bad as the crime itself.

225 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:02:06pm

re: #222 Salamantis

This way you don't have to do that.

Plus, pollen travels. You don't know where else males might be dusting the air. It doesn't even have to be close.

226 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:02:32pm

re: #223 albusteve

Taj and Bonnie together are just terrific as they are both students of Delta and roots blues styles, but they both brought in their full bands...and the venue is awsome...Bonnie Raitt is a very very good guitarist

I've seen them both. I agree, Bonnie plays that slide like there's no tomorrow.

227 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:03:31pm

re: #224 Desert Dog

Pass the trash...for years, rather than deal with it, the church just moved the scumbags around. That is just as bad as the crime itself.

Yes, this is very well documented.

228 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:03:34pm

re: #221 Bagua

It is the culture of the coverup, we see a lot of it on the political threads, looking to excuse or distract from the extremists because it would be bad for the party.

It's more than that. Mahony could simply and easily have taking the priest out of circulation. He could have made sure that they never came in contact with young children or even teenagers. It would not be that hard to do. There are examples of priest being moved to other schools. Law in Boston did the same thing.

229 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:03:36pm

All you farmer types;

I have an eight foot tall Hibiscus. It does not know that it can't grow in this clime. It stubbornly thrives!
No flowers.
Not one.
Any Ideas?

230 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:04:06pm

re: #220 BignJames

Never heard of it...mine was resiny/piney all by itself...the way to eliminate seed production is to eliminate all male plants.

yeah...we did that decades ago but newer techniques eliminate that problem altogether...it's the new millennium dood

231 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:04:31pm

re: #219 shiplord kirel

What gets me is this "false flag" speculation, as though the most likely explanation is Obammunist hit squads going around the country murdering people to justify some intended crackdown on patriots, Christians, and Tea-Partiers. I practice empathy, it is a skill writers need, but I just cannot place myself in the mental world these people seem to inhabit.

Neither can I. All I can picture is a fashion show where the freepers admire the models' tinfoil hats.

232 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:06:19pm

Partially successful AIDS vaccine found:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

The vaccine combines two existing therapies:

Sanofi’s ALVAC uses a canarypox virus that’s been disabled so it doesn’t cause sickness in humans to smuggle three HIV genes into the body. It’s designed to coax the immune system to make so-called T-cells, immune system protectors that hunt and kill infection deep inside the body.

The AIDSVAX shot contains an HIV protein called gp120 that’s used by the virus to enter human cells. It is designed to encourage the body to produce neutralizing antibodies to destroy HIV viruses before they can infect healthy cells.

233 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:06:49pm

re: #229 swamprat

All you farmer types;

I have an eight foot tall Hibiscus. It does not know that it can't grow in this clime. It stubbornly thrives!
No flowers.
Not one.
Any Ideas?

Make sure you are using the right kind of fertilizer. I had an eight-foot-tall tree that bloomed indoors in New England. But then, maybe it just doesn't bloom outside in your clime.

234 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:07:12pm

re: #227 Bagua
Sounds like the way the Board of Education deals with rotten teachers and principals who have a thing for junior high school aged girls... when the uproar gets too loud, they just transfer them to another school.

235 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:07:51pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

I've seen them both. I agree, Bonnie plays that slide like there's no tomorrow.

it's been promoted as the BonTaj Roule Tour...a bunch of gigs to benefit Katrina victims...they played Telluride over the weekend but I didn't go up there this year

236 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:08:02pm

re: #233 HelloDare

Make sure you are using the right kind of fertilizer. I had an eight-foot-tall tree that bloomed indoors in New England. But then, maybe it just doesn't bloom outside in your clime.

You might also test your soil and consult the species manual for the proper pH level.

237 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:08:12pm

re: #229 swamprat
Either not enough sun, or no opposite sex plants to pollinate it.

238 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:08:51pm

Next week we will have a special on how to destabilize a smallish country for fun and profit! Stay tuned!

239 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:08:55pm

re: #229 swamprat

More light! If it's growing, but not blooming it needs more light.

240 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:08:55pm

re: #228 HelloDare

It is a very complex and highly distressing issue. Certainly no motivation excused their reckless and knowing endangerment of the children. Some have suggested it was partly belief that somehow confession had cleansed them and a belief in redemption. My personal theory is that the one's who did the worst enabling were themselves involved in the activity themselves.

241 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:09:25pm

re: #233 HelloDare

thanks

242 The Left  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:09:35pm

OT: sorry, multi-tasking. Have people seen this? Cool interview in Seed Magazine with Richard Dawkins about his new book, and specifically about how to talk to people about evolution

[Link: seedmagazine.com...]

243 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:09:47pm

E W W W!
Mackenzie Phillips: Dad wanted me to be his wife

244 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:10:04pm

re: #229 swamprat

All you farmer types;

I have an eight foot tall Hibiscus. It does not know that it can't grow in this clime. It stubbornly thrives!
No flowers.
Not one.
Any Ideas?

Maybe it's just shy. Stop looking at it.

245 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:10:18pm

Good night, dear lizards!
Stay scaly.

246 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:10:21pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe

Desert. Light we gots lots of. Front yard. No shade.

247 Danny  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:10:30pm

re: #229 swamprat

All you farmer types;

I have an eight foot tall Hibiscus. It does not know that it can't grow in this clime. It stubbornly thrives!
No flowers.
Not one.
Any Ideas?

Put some high phosphorus fertilizer on them.

248 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:11:20pm

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

G'nite, belligerent badger!

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #232 KingKenrod

Partially successful AIDS vaccine found:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

The vaccine combines two existing therapies:

I hope this turns out to be a breakthrough. It could save millions of lives, even if its not 100%.

250 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:12:16pm

re: #243 Desert Dog

E W W W!
Mackenzie Phillips: Dad wanted me to be his wife

well that juicy revelation should be worth millions...I wonder why people would care about her sordid life anyway

251 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:12:26pm

re: #247 Danny

Put some high phosphorus fertilizer on them.

Be careful though; I once burned up a crop of umm...tomatoes with a too-liberal application of bat guano harvested from a neighborhood barn.

252 swamprat  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:12:33pm

re: #247 Danny
One bottle of diet DrPepper coming up!

Late.
Night all!

253 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:12:46pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

I hope this turns out to be a breakthrough. It could save millions of lives, even if its not 100%.

Bad news for the greenies.

254 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:13:44pm

Is it Gordo? Or, is this our new offical policy towards the UK?

No 10 'frantic' over Obama talks

255 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:14:00pm

re: #250 albusteve

well that juicy revelation should be worth millions...I wonder why people would care about her sordid life anyway

That is some sick, sick stuff...

256 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:14:42pm

weet dreams all!

257 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:15:09pm

re: #243 Desert Dog

E W W W!
Mackenzie Phillips: Dad wanted me to be his wife

And he was a member of the Mamas and the Papas...

/not exactly a papa paragon, that one...

258 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:15:45pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe


Yes. Or maybe less nitrogen... too much makes lots of leaves and no blooms.
But I bet it's amount of sunlight.

259 Clemente  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:16:17pm

re: #229 swamprat

All you farmer types;

I have an eight foot tall Hibiscus. It does not know that it can't grow in this clime. It stubbornly thrives!
No flowers.
Not one.
Any Ideas?

Maybe it's lonely?

Anyway. Loosen and trim the roots, prune off half the branches and old growth, keep the frost off it till March. Should be fine next summer, as long as it gets plenty of light.

260 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:16:27pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

I've seen them both. I agree, Bonnie plays that slide like there's no tomorrow.

I recall a show she played in Worcester about 25 years ago, I had a back stage pass and sat on a road box just off stage left, she looked over and smiled a few times... great show, she has a real feel for the blues.

261 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:16:59pm

re: #257 Salamantis

And he was a member of the Mamas and the Papas...

/not exactly a papa paragon, that one...

From this day on, everytime I hear California Dreamin', I will think about this now...thank you John Phillips, you sick f*ck.

262 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:17:00pm

re: #257 Salamantis

They should have called that song that told their story ' Creep Alley' instead.

263 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:17:43pm

re: #260 Bagua

I recall a show she played in Worcester about 25 years ago, I had a back stage pass and sat on a road box just off stage left, she looked over and smiled a few times... great show, she has a real feel for the blues.

She plays that guitar so well, and her voice is so warm. I love Bonnie Raitt.

264 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:17:50pm

re: #254 Desert Dog

Is it Gordo? Or, is this our new offical policy towards the UK?

No 10 'frantic' over Obama talks

The WH could use the excuse of retribution for returning the Libyan bomber but that doesn't excuse of the snubbing that went on before.

265 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:18:29pm

re: #246 swamprat

Seriously, if it isn't blooming it needs more light. Maybe move from the north/east side to the south/west side. FRY that puppy. It'll bloom!

266 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:18:52pm

re: #257 Salamantis

And he was a member of the Mamas and the Papas...

/not exactly a papa paragon, that one...

Turns out he was a major cokehead. From what I read, he first shot her up with drugs when she was 10. Scumbag doesn't even begin to cover it. They should dig up this asshole's body and burn it, just on general principles.

267 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:19:41pm

re: #264 HelloDare
Why does Obama seem determined to curry favor with the countries that are never gonna love us back, while flipping the bird to our friends??

268 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:19:44pm

re: #251 Salamantis

LOL. Tomatoes. Yes, sure. ;)

269 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:19:56pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Turns out he was a major cokehead. From what I read, he first shot her up with drugs when she was 10. Scumbag doesn't even begin to cover it. They should dig up this asshole's body and burn it, just on general principles.

his perversions go back decades...a very sick individual

270 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:20:16pm

re: #264 HelloDare

The WH could use the excuse of retribution for returning the Libyan bomber but that doesn't excuse of the snubbing that went on before.

I cannot imagine Obama suddenly warming up to Cameron once the Tories take over after the next election. I think this is the end of our special relationship with the UK. That is tragic. We are as close as two countries could be.

271 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:20:58pm

re: #254 Desert Dog

Is it Gordo? Or, is this our new offical policy towards the UK?

No 10 'frantic' over Obama talks

Something about Broon just says "Kick me."

272 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:21:28pm

re: #270 Desert Dog

I cannot imagine Obama suddenly warming up to Cameron once the Tories take over after the next election. I think this is the end of our special relationship with the UK. That is tragic. We are as close as two countries could be.

If he can do it to Great Britain he can sure as hell do it to Israel.

273 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:21:56pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

John and Michie were getting kinda Busy


I'll never be able to listen to that one again.

274 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:22:23pm

re: #272 Salamantis

If he can do it to Great Britain he can sure as hell do it to Israel.

Ya got that right. It's better to kiss Putin's ass, I guess.

275 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:23:08pm

re: #273 tradewind

I'll never be able to listen to that one again.

That's not my post, just to be clear.

276 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:24:52pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

I know. I thought about that after I put the lyrics in quote form, sorry.
/not dark falcon's post, ya'll/

277 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:25:02pm

re: #267 tradewind

Why does Obama seem determined to curry favor with the countries that are never gonna love us back, while flipping the bird to our friends??

I have no idea. Maybe it has something to do with that church he sat in for twenty years. All those sermons he never heard.

278 albusteve  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:25:15pm

re: #267 tradewind

Why does Obama seem determined to curry favor with the countries that are never gonna love us back, while flipping the bird to our friends??

he's a rootin tootin leftist and does not hide it...he prefers a collective populace with a strong govt to lord over them and he shines up those countries

279 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:25:27pm

Rules? Laws? Pshaw, who needs those? Just change them when it suits you!
Kennedy Confidant Expected to Take Senate Seat

280 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:26:09pm

re: #270 Desert Dog

I cannot imagine Obama suddenly warming up to Cameron once the Tories take over after the next election. I think this is the end of our special relationship with the UK. That is tragic. We are as close as two countries could be.

The end? More likely a pause. 2 or 6 years from now will bring a new administration.

Yet there is more at play here, Great Britain is no longer great, it is a busted flush who's sovereignty is being swallowed whole by the vile EU. After the disgraceful defeat in Basra and the humiliation of being kicked out by the Iraqis, Great Britain is no longer seen as a reliable ally.

281 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:26:44pm

re: #209 talon_262

If you are going to bed, I'll leave you with this:

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

/egotistical douche

How...umm...tepid?

Song for Glenn "Iwannadrink" Beck:

Well, I started out on Burgundy
But soon hit the harder stuff.
Ev'rybody said they'd stand behind me
When the game got rough.
But, y'know, the joke was on me,
There was nobody even there to bluff.
I'm goin' back to New York City my big house in Connecticut -
I do believe I've had...enuff.

From Dylan's ears to the bottle's mouth.

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282 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:28:09pm

re: #279 Desert Dog

Kirk's what they politely call a placeholder, or more impolitely, a potted plant.
Just another way to circumvent the electoral process, nothing to see there.

283 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:28:19pm

re: #272 Salamantis

If he can do it to Great Britain he can sure as hell do it to Israel.

I don't trust Obama's intentions towards Israel, but the circumstances are entirely different.

284 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:29:13pm

re: #280 Bagua

The end? More likely a pause. 2 or 6 years from now will bring a new administration.

Yet there is more at play here, Great Britain is no longer great, it is a busted flush who's sovereignty is being swallowed whole by the vile EU. After the disgraceful defeat in Basra and the humiliation of being kicked out by the Iraqis, Great Britain is no longer seen as a reliable ally.

Our closest ally in Europe for well over 100 years...let's just toss them aside, who needs them? I was hoping the Brits would resist the EU, but it sure looks like they are going away...too bad. I love the UK...a great, great place.

285 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:30:24pm

re: #282 tradewind

Kirk's what they politely call a placeholder, or more impolitely, a potted plant.
Just another way to circumvent the electoral process, nothing to see there.

He's a vote for the Healthcare bill. The games these Dems play make me want to barf. They will sit there with a straight face on all this too. Like nothings going on.

286 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:31:55pm

re: #283 Bagua

Besides, he's already done it to Israel. That pull-the-rug-out-from under-them speech was just what the holocaust denying bunch in the ME want to hear, and it will just embolden them.

287 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:31:59pm

re: #281 Cato the Elder

Talking about Glen Beck falling back into his former habits is not funny. I've seen what chronic drinking does to people, Cato. I'm glad Glen Beck was able to get clean and I hope he stays clean. I want the man to come to his senses, not fall into an intoxicated stupor. That is the only thing a decent person should wish for.

288 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:33:00pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Talking about Glen Beck falling back into his former habits is not funny. I've seen what chronic drinking does to people, Cato. I'm glad Glen Beck was able to get clean and I hope he stays clean. I want the man to come to his senses, not fall into an intoxicated stupor. That is the only thing a decent person should wish for.

Next, he'll want Limbaugh back on the oxycontin.

289 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:33:38pm

re: #284 Desert Dog

Our closest ally in Europe for well over 100 years...let's just toss them aside, who needs them? I was hoping the Brits would resist the EU, but it sure looks like they are going away...too bad. I love the UK...a great, great place.

They are tossing themselves aside, needing no help or input from the Yanks. They could choose to remain in the Anglosphere, but are instead choosing to be "European." It is a sad sight indeed.

290 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:34:09pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

You mistake me for a decent person, sir? I'm offended. Just ask Iron Fist and Haakondahl.

I'm a nancy-boy pervert (closeted or semi-so), and I would rather see Beck in the gutter than making millions flogging his peculiar brand of insanity.

291 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:34:25pm

re: #288 Salamantis

Next, he'll want Limbaugh back on the oxycontin.

That wouldn't be bad, either.

292 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:35:03pm

re: #288 Salamantis

Next, he'll want Limbaugh back on the oxycontin.

Yeah, he might want that. Its one thing to dislike someone, its another thing to wish them harm. Cato is over the line wishing addiction on Glen Beck.

293 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:35:12pm

re: #285 Desert Dog

Well, at least Ted can rest easy knowing he won't be posthumously nullified.
///

294 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:35:41pm

re: #286 tradewind

Besides, he's already done it to Israel. That pull-the-rug-out-from under-them speech was just what the holocaust denying bunch in the ME want to hear, and it will just embolden them.

The mood in Israel is said to be highly suspicious and greatly alarmed, with a resignation to just wait out this administration and hope for the best.

295 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:37:10pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

Wouldn't you rather see him sane and sober instead? Malice is a bad thing and it eats your soul. Kill your malice Cato, or it'll kill you little-by-little.

296 tradewind  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:37:37pm

re: #288 Salamantis

Usually, people who rant on and on about others' substance abuse issues are dealing... or not... with some of their own.

297 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:37:59pm

re: #291 Cato the Elder

That wouldn't be bad, either.

To wish sickness and addiction on an opponent betrays an hateful mind. It is not attractive Cato.

298 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:42:21pm
299 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:42:57pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

Wouldn't you rather see him sane and sober instead? Malice is a bad thing and it eats your soul. Kill your malice Cato, or it'll kill you little-by-little.

Ah, how I love the pompissity of those who claim satire will eet away yer sowwl. I have no malice for Beck. He'd be better off drunk. That's a judgment call.

re: #297 Bagua

To wish sickness and addiction on an opponent betrays an hateful mind. It is not attractive Cato.

Sickness and addiction are a given with Beck. I think he'd be better off with ouzo than on his power trip.

Hate on me all you want.

300 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:43:46pm

re: #298 Bluto

Your impression is wrong. No one wants the killer to be an anti-government type. Those who think it is are simply worried about the implications.

301 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:44:52pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

Sickness and addiction are a given with Beck. I think he'd be better off with ouzo than on his power trip.

Hate on me all you want.

You mistake criticism for hatred, just as you freely the mix the two with your own comments.

302 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:46:27pm

re: #301 Bagua

You mistake criticism for hatred, just as you freely the mix the two with your own comments.

Thank you for the free diagnosis. I shall seek treatment forthwith.

303 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:48:14pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

I didn't say that satire would eat your soul. I said that malice would do so.

304 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:49:06pm

There are people in your life who've come and gone
They let you down you know they hurt your pride
You better put it all behind you baby; life goes on
You keep carryin that anger; it'll eat you up inside, baby

Heart of the Matter, by Don Henley

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305 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:49:30pm
306 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:50:53pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

Ah, how I love the pompissity of those who claim satire will eet away yer sowwl. I have no malice for Beck.

I don't see that at all Cato, you could have mentioned satire earlier instead of
relishing in your malice. Hostility and satire are not identical.

And no, not a "diagnosis" rather an observation, but you do seem to revel in giving offense and then receiving attention.

307 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:51:36pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I didn't say that satire would eat your soul. I said that malice would do so.

Ooh. So chastened.

The question in Time Magazine was "Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?"

My answer: yes.

And America would be better off if he were suckin' down Mickey's Big Mouths in Battery Park than having him spew to millions, for millions, on the daily airwaves.

That is all.

308 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:52:28pm

re: #305 Bluto

Don't let the shower door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

309 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:53:04pm

re: #306 Bagua

[...] relishing in [...]

New illiterate use of verb duly noted.

310 Bagua  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:53:43pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Don't let the shower door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

My sentiments exactly. What exactly is "standard English" where are they teaching that?

311 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:53:57pm
312 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:54:13pm

He's not relishing; he's savoring...

Like a fine whine...

313 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:55:25pm

Ah, me.

What I originally said was, Beck would be better off drunk.

I stand by that.

Parse away.

314 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:56:17pm

re: #311 Bluto

308 Dark_Falcon: any dog that bites me gets bitten back, sonny boy.

Well, I don't reduce myself to the level of an angry animal by trying to bite it back; I just shoot the fucker. Because once they turn on ya, you can never trust them again.

315 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:56:24pm
316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:57:27pm

re: #311 Bluto

Don't you have better things to do than post snark? Like getting your ass kicked by Popeye?

317 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:58:08pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Don't you have better things to do than post snark? Like getting your ass kicked by Popeye?

And failing to get in Olive Oyl's pants?

318 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:58:24pm
319 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 23, 2009 11:59:09pm

re: #313 Cato the Elder

And I think you are wrong. That said, you made your case without attacking anyone here personally. Sometimes you bother me Cato, but you're no troll.

320 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:00:01am
321 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:00:52am
322 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:01:37am

re: #313 Cato the Elder

Ah, me.

What I originally said was, Beck would be better off drunk.

I stand by that.

Parse away.

I thought you were gone for the night...looks like I was right about your ego not letting you slink out of here without piling on more justification for your "Beck off the wagon" fantasy.

/you're seriously fucked in the head if you think we buy your argument that it was satire...it dripped of hatred (and not for any good reasons)

323 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:01:54am

re: #321 Bluto

317 Salamantis: Sock puppet or toadie? Who can tell?

We can sure as hell tell a snarky attention whore troll when he takes an odiferous dump in a thread.

324 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:03:17am

re: #309 Cato the Elder

New illiterate use of verb duly noted.

Relishing in this instance is being used as a noun, not a verb my pedantic friend, you are incorrect.

325 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:03:19am

re: #323 Salamantis

I just reported him. Hopefully, Stinky is still up and will ban his worthless ass.

326 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:04:19am

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

It may be way too early to make such a link. But it certainly isn't out of bounds. There were way, way too many people at the recent DC Tea Party overtly urging violence against the Federal government to make this an implausible connection.

Frankly, I feel such speculation is jumping the gun, and I'd rather wait until more actual facts are presented before leaping to a conclusion. Suicide still isn't off the table, for example; could easily be drug or alcohol related; could just as easily be xenophobia related, especially given the locale; could also be someone taking advantage of the current Tea Party excess and insanity to misdirect blame.

But it could also be directly connected to the frenzy being whipped up at Tea Parties by the likes of Glenn Beck and Ron Paul. There's nothing out of bounds about this particular speculation at all, simply because there's a whole lot of crazy motherfuckers attending the Tea Parties who are being goaded into committing bad acts by the organizers and other attendees.

327 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:05:04am
328 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:06:33am
329 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:07:18am

re: #328 Bluto

Flouncer says what?

330 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:07:22am

re: #328 Bluto

Blow me, douchebag...

331 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:08:55am

re: #327 Bluto

323 Salamantis: You wound me with your ad hominems sir. I shall reply in kind: toadie, it is.

Ad Hominem is translated as 'to the person.' You have amply and abundantly demonstrated your foul vile character here; I am simply correctly describing it. Execrable and odious people may not like other people calling them what they in fact are, but the truth, by definition, can never be an insult, because insults are false negative imputations.

332 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:09:06am

re: #327 Bluto

Anyone who thinks Sal is anyone's toady is someone who hasn't spent much time here. He toadies to no man.

333 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:09:51am

re: #324 Bagua

Relishing in this instance is being used as a noun, not a verb my pedantic friend, you are incorrect.

OK. If you can explain to me how "relishing in" is a noun, I'll buy you a case of Beck's.

Butt yew cant, so Ile drinkit meself.

334 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:09:58am

re: #322 talon_262

And BTW, Cato...don't take my comments to you in this thread to mean that I don't agree with you when you're right on something and are logical about it, but this little "Beck falls off the wagon" fantasy of yours should be beneath even you.

/disgusting is what it is

335 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:10:22am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Anyone who thinks Sal is anyone's toady is someone who hasn't spent much time here. He toadies to no man.

He's gotta go run pop some pimples and watch his Beavis and Butthead DVD now.

336 Summer Seale  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:10:51am

I definitely have hostility towards Glenn Beck, and it isn't eating at my soul at all. =) Versace, Sephora, Chanel - they eat at my soul. Especially here in Paris. But hostility towards Beck? Newp... =)

With that said, I'm going shopping. =) Like...now.

337 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:11:07am

Strange to register and lurk for three years only to emerge with insults and hostility.

Echo chamber, that's rich, we were arguing, not agreeing

338 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:11:51am

re: #335 Salamantis

He's gotta go run pop some pimples and watch his Beavis and Butthead DVD now.

I seriously doubt he even knows about Beavis and Butthead, judging by the juvenile comments he was flinging about.

/love Mike Judge...

339 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:12:06am

re: #337 Bagua

Strange to register and lurk for three years only to emerge with insults and hostility.

Echo chamber, that's rich, we were arguing, not agreeing

Probably a sleeper troll, emerging to fling it feces all over the end of a thread.

340 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:12:20am

re: #337 Bagua

Strange to register and lurk for three years only to emerge with insults and hostility.

Echo chamber, that's rich, we were arguing, not agreeing

He ran out of hand creme and decided to wank all over us instead.

341 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:12:35am

re: #333 Cato the Elder

OK. If you can explain to me how "relishing in" is a noun, I'll buy you a case of Beck's.

Butt yew cant, so Ile drinkit meself.

I feel no obligation to educate you, I suggest you consult a dictionary.

342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:12:45am

re: #335 Salamantis

He's gotta go run pop some pimples and watch his Beavis and Butthurt DVD now.

slightly improved

343 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:14:54am
344 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:16:39am

re: #343 Bluto

331 Salamantis: You looked up the wrong thing. You should have been looking up "irony." Your unintentional variety is much too rich for my taste.

332 Dark_Falcon: Quoth the toad.

Alanis, is that you?

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345 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:18:04am

re: #341 Bagua

I feel no obligation to educate you, I suggest you consult a dictionary.

LOL. Now that's funny.

You have no idea to whom you're talking. "Used as a noun", indeed.

"Qui stultis videri eruditi volunt stulti eruditis videntur."
--Quintilian

346 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:19:53am

And I'm here to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away

And you are surely soon gone.

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347 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:20:02am

re: #341 Bagua

And even more to the point:

"J'ai toujours fait une prière à Dieu, qui est fort courte. La voici: Mon Dieu, rendez nos ennemis bien ridicules! Dieu m'a exaucé."
--François-Marie Arouet dit Voltaire

348 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:20:04am

re: #344 Salamantis

Alanis, is that you?


www.youtube.com...]>

In regards to Bluto, it's more like "Moronic"...

349 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:22:22am
350 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:22:41am

Stinky needs a Spinach Omelet when he wakes up. Once he finishes, he'll pick up the ban stick and smack Bluto into oblivion or Hot Air, which ever is worse.

351 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:23:23am

The murder of a federal employee with 'fed' marked on the body puts the FBI in the investigation to it's conclusion, whatever the motive. The 'AP reporter's comments' assume that they would turn it to state authorities if not related to his census work. Not necessarily so.

352 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:24:23am

re: #349 Bluto

337 Bagua: That at least deserves an honest answer. I haven't indulged in thread wars since Slate's Fray back in the late nineties or so. I came over tonight to check out what the hell everyone's been talking about vis-a-vis strange goings-on at LGF, to wit, capricious summary bannings.

I became interested in the thread and made a comment. It was replied to in what I considered a rather rude manner by one of the denizens here and things moved on from there.

Your own banning will be neither arbitrary nor capricious; you have ensured that it will be richly merited and deserved.

353 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:25:01am
354 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:26:29am

re: #345 Cato the Elder

You are too full of yourself, Cato. Below are but two examples.

• RELISHING (noun)
The noun RELISHING has 1 sense:

1. taking a small amount into the mouth to test its quality

or:

Adapted From: WordNet 2.0 Copyright 2003 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.

relishing
A noun
1 tasting, savoring, savouring, relishing, degustation
taking a small amount into the mouth to test its quality; "cooking was fine but it was the savoring that he enjoyed most"
Category Tree:
phenomenon
╚process
╚organic process; biological process
╚bodily process; body process; bodily function; activity
╚consumption; ingestion; intake; uptake
╚eating; feeding
╚tasting, savoring, savouring, relishing, degustation

355 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:26:32am
356 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:26:35am

re: #353 Bluto

350 Dark_Falcon: Please doan t'row me in de briar patch br'er Falcon.

There's a substantial difference; you can't willfully stick here after exhibiting such atrocious behavior.

357 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:27:54am

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

Stinky needs a Spinach Omelet when he wakes up. Once he finishes, he'll pick up the ban stick and smack Bluto into oblivion or Hot Air, which ever is worse.

There's a difference?

358 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:29:33am
359 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:29:37am

re: #357 iceweasel

There's a difference?

Not really. Hot Air is Oblivion for the mind. It's where intelligence goes to die.

360 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:30:14am

re: #349 Bluto

337 Bagua: That at least deserves an honest answer. I haven't indulged in thread wars since Slate's Fray back in the late nineties or so. I came over tonight to check out what the hell everyone's been talking about vis-a-vis strange goings-on at LGF, to wit, capricious summary bannings.

I became interested in the thread and made a comment. It was replied to in what I considered a rather rude manner by one of the denizens here and things moved on from there.

Perhaps, but you offered only insults and generalisations, it would seem you came here with a pre-conceived notion and ill intent, thus the hostile reception.

361 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:30:52am

re: #355 Bluto

352 Salamantis: Why? Because I eschewed trying to insult folks with references to bodily secretion and homoerotica? Sounds capricious to me.

Oh, the cosmic injustice of it all! I was in the right; I had to be, because I am never in the wrong! My bloated distention of an ego could not stand to admit such a thing! What's wrong with my bloviating my logorrheal snide snotty sneering snickering superciliousness, anyway? It may be irredeemably puerile, but at least it's onamotopoeic...

362 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:31:45am

re: #361 Salamantis

Oh, the cosmic injustice of it all! I was in the right; I had to be, because I am never in the wrong! My bloated distention of an ego could not stand to admit such a thing! What's wrong with my bloviating my logorrheal snide snotty sneering snickering superciliousness, anyway? It may be irredeemably puerile, but at least it's onamotopoeic...

Did you mean Bluto or Cato?

363 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:32:18am

re: #358 Bluto

356 Salamantis: Atrocious? Well Mr. Walrus, I'd say talk of pimple-popping and flouncing butt-hurters more nearly fills the bill, but that's just me.

I was speaking of the emotional age your comments project - and they are most definitely Early Adolescent.

364 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:32:20am

re: #358 Bluto

Hey, you were the one who whose first post on the thread was an accusation. If the duncecap fits, wear it.

365 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:34:40am

re: #361 Salamantis

Oh, the cosmic injustice of it all! I was in the right; I had to be, because I am never in the wrong! My bloated distention of an ego could not stand to admit such a thing! What's wrong with my bloviating my logorrheal snide snotty sneering snickering superciliousness, anyway? It may be irredeemably puerile, but at least it's onamotopoeic...

A handful of ex-lax and a beer will cure that./

366 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:35:10am

re: #355 Bluto

352 Salamantis: Why? Because I eschewed trying to insult folks with references to bodily secretion and homoerotica? Sounds capricious to me.

Wow, that Word-A-Day™ desk calendar just keeps paying off, don't it?

367 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:36:13am

re: #366 Throbert McGee

Wow, that Word-A-Day™ desk calendar just keeps paying off, don't it?

LOL!

368 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:37:17am
369 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:37:44am

re: #366 Throbert McGee

He doesn't need such a thing Thorbert. His vocabulary is vast, the equal if not the superior to my own.

370 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:40:04am

re: #368 Bluto

364 Dark_Falcon: So, you agree with Cato the Elder that the murderer is most likely a Glenn Beck listener and tea party participant.

Btw, per your earlier demand for oral gratification, sorry, but I'm a breeder.

Let us fervently hope that you are not a successful one; I shudder to contemplate the prospect of your reproduction.

371 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:41:44am

re: #368 Bluto

sorry, but I'm a breeder.

Lice and crabs don't count.

372 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:41:44am

re: #368 Bluto

If you're gonna try to come back from an insult, get the person who insulted you right.

/blow me, douchebag...because you seem confused on who told you the first time.

373 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:42:02am
374 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:43:14am

re: #368 Bluto

Willful mischaracterization is a sign of at least Stage Two Butthurt. And I did not suggest that your perform such an act, that was talon_262. As far as I'm concerned it's just you and your hand tonight.

375 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:44:09am
376 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:44:20am

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Willful mischaracterization is a sign of at least Stage Two Butthurt. And I did not suggest that your perform such an act, that was talon_262. As far as I'm concerned it's just you and your hand tonight.

I doubt it...I think Rosey Palms and her five sisters told him to go to hell already.

;-P

377 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:44:49am

re: #375 Bluto

372 talon_262: I stand corrected. I can see why you would demand credit for such an outstanding comment.

Only because you deserve the very best...

378 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:46:17am
379 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:46:45am

re: #373 Bluto

361 Salamantis: Re: onomatopoeic - I don't think that word means what you think it means.

You're right avbout that; I should have said alliterative.

370 Salamantis: Excellent, you've moved on from potty comments. Baby steps, baby steps.

One day you'll be able to make them without clinging onto thumbs.

Good night all. Talk amongst yourselves.

That would indeed be far preferable; we like you better the more we see you less.

380 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:46:47am

re: #360 Bagua

Perhaps, but you offered only insults and generalisations, it would seem you came here with a pre-conceived notion and ill intent, thus the hostile reception.

Upding because, Bluto, you would really do well to reflect on this. If you haven't been around for a while, and charge in accusing people of ideological motives (instead of just saying "you're jumping to conclusions in the 2nd paragraph of your post," or something like that), how do you expect people to react?

381 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:49:22am

re: #378 Bluto

374 Dark_Falcon: That's right! You're the guy who enjoys "butthurt" comments. Huge difference there; I can see why you'd feel slighted.

You of course realize that you would have to rise immeasurably in my estimation to be deserving of my contempt; right? Not that you would care what anyone else thought about you. Including arresting authorities, convicting juries, or sentencing judges.

382 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:50:44am
383 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:51:19am

re: #378 Bluto

You know what would chill you out...some rainwater and grain alcohol.

384 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:52:29am

re: #354 Bagua

Twit.

It's "relishing in" that I took exception to. Not a nown. It's a gerund. The difference is like between a quark and a boson.

It seems to me you were reaching for "reveling in", and like so many semi-educated blowhards, you figure if it starts with the same letter and has the same number of syllables, it must mean the same thing, too.

Go nurse your butthurt.

385 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:52:54am

re: #368 Bluto

364 Dark_Falcon: So, you agree with Cato the Elder that the murderer is most likely a Glenn Beck listener and tea party participant.

Btw, per your earlier demand for oral gratification, sorry, but I'm a breeder.

That's pretty disgusting and betrays your own latent homophobia.

386 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:54:17am

re: #351 poteen

The murder of a federal employee with 'fed' marked on the body puts the FBI in the investigation to it's conclusion, whatever the motive. The 'AP reporter's comments' assume that they would turn it to state authorities if not related to his census work. Not necessarily so.

Addendum

(1) The AP justice dept. reporter,(2) commenting for Rachel Maddow's show, (3) on MSNBC, add up to ratings for simple speculation.

387 ali mentary  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:55:14am

I believed that the way to solve the problems bound to insanity would be sanity, not a symmetric insanity.

Check it for yourselves.

Example: an obviously insane guy affirms that elephants are white and fly high in the sky.

Would this make you think that the other guy affirming that elephants are black and dig deep holes in the ground is sane?

But finally i see the light: the guy talking about elephants walking around and chewing greenish stuff like really big cows are just so boring.

So let's all root for the digging elephant's guy.

Insanity is an asset just like sanity, let's be politically correct, here.

388 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:55:30am
389 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:56:01am

re: #368 Bluto


Btw, per your earlier demand for oral gratification, sorry, but I'm a breeder.

Yes, the assumption that you won't enjoy it is kinda the point of saying "blow me."

(Whereas saying "blow me" to any red-blooded homo would be like a woman saying to a straight guy: "Hey, asshole, please press your face between my voluptuous naked breasts," because dicks taste like delicious candy to us.)

390 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:56:43am

re: #373 Bluto


Good night all. Talk amongst yourselves.

oh. no. please. not yet.

When Poochie Bluto isn't around, we should all ask each other 'Hey guys- Where's Poochie Bluto?'

391 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:56:46am

re: #378 Bluto

374 Dark_Falcon: That's right! You're the guy who enjoys "butthurt" comments. Huge difference there; I can see why you'd feel slighted.

You're the moron with the dirty mind that thinks butthurt has anything at all to do with anything obscene or sexual.

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."

392 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:58:21am

re: #390 Fenway_Nation

oh. no. please. not yet.

When Poochie Bluto isn't around, we should all ask each other 'Hey guys- Where's Poochie Bluto?'

D'oh!

393 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:58:49am

re: #388 Bluto

383 talon_262: I learned a long time ago never to get emotionally invested in flamewars.

Have a good one and maybe I'll talk at you later.

See, you can be civil...if you can continue to be civil, I have no qualms with discussing topics with you as gentlemen, rather than slag you when you come in assuming stuff.

Anyway, good night.

394 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:59:00am

re: #388 Bluto

383 talon_262: I learned a long time ago never to get emotionally invested in flamewars.

Have a good one and maybe I'll talk at you later.

Yeah; if you actually took the feedback you get from your 'performances' seriously, it could be emotionally devastating.

395 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:59:04am

re: #388 Bluto

Have a good one and maybe I'll talk at you later.

In bed.

396 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:59:45am

re: #387 ali mentary

I believed that the way to solve the problems bound to insanity would be sanity, not a symmetric insanity.

Check it for yourselves.

Example: an obviously insane guy affirms that elephants are white and fly high in the sky.

Would this make you think that the other guy affirming that elephants are black and dig deep holes in the ground is sane?

But finally i see the light: the guy talking about elephants walking around and chewing greenish stuff like really big cows are just so boring.

So let's all root for the digging elephant's guy.

Insanity is an asset just like sanity, let's be politically correct, here.

A handful of ex-lax and a beer will cure the elephant. You're gonna need a case./

397 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:59:55am

re: #384 Cato the Elder

Twit.

It's "relishing in" that I took exception to. Not a nown. It's a gerund. The difference is like between a quark and a boson.

It seems to me you were reaching for "reveling in", and like so many semi-educated blowhards, you figure if it starts with the same letter and has the same number of syllables, it must mean the same thing, too.

Go nurse your butthurt.

I see, so first you hold yourself up as an educated pedant, then you return to crude insults. Pitiful really. My usage of "relishing" used as a noun is rare but not incorrect in this instance nor is it confused with "reveling."

398 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:01:27am

re: #387 ali mentary

I follow your point but I don't see what it has to do with the topics under discussion.

399 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:01:30am

re: #395 Cato the Elder

LMAO, Cato...well played!

/oh wait...

400 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:02:51am

re: #395 Cato the Elder

In bed.

Hello Cato-baby. How are you?

Not to interrupt you guys, but can't relishing be used in some cases as a noun?

"His relishing of the situation was mitigated by a slight feeling of shame."

It strikes my ear as clumsy and unwieldy, but that may just be my particular sentence construction there. I'm not sure it's wrong, though (in teh sense of a category error).

401 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:03:06am

And now I must head to bed. It's 3am where I am and I have an AM shift tomorrow. Goodnight , all.

402 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:03:23am

re: #385 iceweasel

That's pretty disgusting and betrays your own latent homophobia.

Oh, c'mon, ice, he's homophobic because he doesn't want to give another guy a blowjob? What's wrong with reserving the useful concept "homophobia" for the blatant cases, instead of trying to be a mind-reader?

403 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:04:05am

re: #384 Cato the Elder

re: #397 Bagua

I can see it now, the next Hollywood blockbuster:

War of the Pedants

;-P

404 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:04:37am

re: #402 Throbert McGee

Oh, c'mon, ice, he's homophobic because he doesn't want to give another guy a blowjob? What's wrong with reserving the useful concept "homophobia" for the blatant cases, instead of trying to be a mind-reader?

Nah, but I'm basing it on his other comments, such as the persistent need to interpret 'butthurt' in a sexual way.

Me, I'm all for blowjobs myself. :)

405 BlackFedora  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:05:16am

I don't like this...

I wouldn't support doing this to a federal employee unless they were collaborating with the lizard aliens from V.. but even then I'd have qualms.

This is sick.

406 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:06:02am

re: #402 Throbert McGee

Oh, c'mon, ice, he's homophobic because he doesn't want to give another guy a blowjob? What's wrong with reserving the useful concept "homophobia" for the blatant cases, instead of trying to be a mind-reader?

There is indeed a difference between homophobia and heterosexuality. For instance, I am heterosexual, but not homophobic. The common slang phrase for this condition is 'straight but not narrow.'

407 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:07:09am

re: #400 iceweasel

Hello Cato-baby. How are you?

Not to interrupt you guys, but can't relishing be used in some cases as a noun?

"His relishing of the situation was mitigated by a slight feeling of shame."

It strikes my ear as clumsy and unwieldy, but that may just be my particular sentence construction there. I'm not sure it's wrong, though (in teh sense of a category error).

Would you, dear Weasel, say somebody was "relishing in" something?

I rest my case.

408 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:07:42am

re: #389 Throbert McGee

Yes, the assumption that you won't enjoy it is kinda the point of saying "blow me."

( because dicks taste like delicious candy to us.)

Bluto said they tasted more like sweaty bananas in the rest area off of the interstate a blind taste test.

409 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:08:24am

re: #404 iceweasel

Nah, but I'm basing it on his other comments, such as the persistent need to interpret 'butthurt' in a sexual way.

Me, I'm all for blowjobs myself. :)

I could generously interpret his interpretation of butthurt to be born of ignorance rather than malevolence. They're both bad, but at least the former is curable by the simple expedient of education, rather than attitude adjustment.

410 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:08:51am

re: #400 iceweasel

Hello Cato-baby. How are you?

Not to interrupt you guys, but can't relishing be used in some cases as a noun?

"His relishing of the situation was mitigated by a slight feeling of shame."

It strikes my ear as clumsy and unwieldy, but that may just be my particular sentence construction there. I'm not sure it's wrong, though (in teh sense of a category error).

And in that case, it's a gerund, not a noun. Or nown.

Bagua is a man of renoun, in a goun, on the toun. And he makes me froun.

411 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:10:04am

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Would you, dear Weasel, say somebody was "relishing in" something?

I rest my case.

Old Spice helps if you're 'relishing in' too much./

412 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:10:34am

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Would you, dear Weasel, say somebody was "relishing in" something?

I rest my case.

No. Reveling in. Relishing. Ravished by. Etc.

413 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:10:36am

re: #404 iceweasel

Automatic upding, Glacies.

414 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:11:32am

re: #410 Cato the Elder

And in that case, it's a gerund, not a noun. Or nown.

Bagua is a man of renoun, in a goun, on the toun. And he makes me froun.

Well, if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me. :)

415 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:12:56am

re: #414 iceweasel

Well, if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me. :)

Latex Cowboy

I'm a latex cowboy
A-ridin' with my hand in a glove
Yeah, I'm a latex cowboy
'Cause I don' wanna die for love
And I'm a vulvic plowboy
A-farmin' in the furrows of joy
And I'm a tantric taoboy
A-knockin' my nirvana toy.

If you chance to see me
I'll be struttin' with a smile on my face
'Cause my memories please me
Though anticipation gives 'em a race.
If you find you need me
Take a number and get in line
'Cause many want to breed me
Too many for my limited time

And I'm a falcon fowlboy
A-glidin' twixt the wings o' doves
Yeah, I'm a latex cowboy
And if you're lucky you'll share my love.


The Oinky Song

My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo
I like to sink her with my pink torpedo
Then dress my baby up and go downtown
Hang Baby off my arm and show her around.

My baby's with me 'cause she made the grade.
I like to dress her like a Frederick's maid
Then watch her clean the house and sashay round
And pinch her butt when she lays dinner down.

My baby does me when I want her too
And any thing I want my baby to do
She does it pronto - not so much as a peep
And keeps her trap shut while I goes to sleep.

Now you may think she's just a fantasy
But lemme tellya - Baby's real to me.
Am I alone? No, that's just how it seems;
She's always with me in my piggy dreams.


The Vertical Smile

Of all the wonders of a woman's wiles
The fairest by far is the vertical smile:
A smile of warmth that one may win
To open up and take one in.

Here I sit in sulky pout
Cheeks clenched tight and tongue stuck out
Wishing only one small thing
To quench my thirst in Venus' spring.

416 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:13:09am

re: #413 Fenway_Nation

Automatic upding, Glacies.

Gracias from your Glacies, Fenway.

I enthusiastically endorse the blowjob, and all who give and receive them. I'll dispense my approval liberally, even.

417 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:15:18am

re: #404 iceweasel

Nah, but I'm basing it on his other comments, such as the persistent need to interpret 'butthurt' in a sexual way.

Me, I'm all for blowjobs myself. :)

Do you remember the recent braincrash over the use of the word "butthurt" in which a bunch of people accused us of being insulting to the gay community by using it? We asked them how exactly given that the term is not about gay sex, (and even if it was how in hell would that necessarily imply an insult to said community?). They just kept making insinuations about how we 'knew perfectly well', but they seemed unable to 'flesh out' their innuendos as it were, and they just sort of trailed off.

418 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:15:36am

re: #415 Salamantis

Youtube Video

Working on a sex farm
Hosing down your barn door
Bothering your livestock
They know what I need

Working up a hot sweat
Crouching in your pea patch
Plowing through your bean field
Planting my seed

Sex farm woman, I'll be your hired hand
Sex farm woman, I'll let my offer stand
Sex farm woman, don't you hear my tractor rumbling by?

419 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:15:58am

I wrote a poem about fellatio, and another one about cunnilingus. Should I post them?

420 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:19:30am

re: #417 Jimmah

Do you remember the recent braincrash over the use of the word "butthurt" in which a bunch of people accused us of being insulting to the gay community by using it? We asked them how exactly given that the term is not about gay sex, (and even if it was how in hell would that necessarily imply an insult to said community?). They just kept making insinuations about how we 'knew perfectly well', but they seemed unable to 'flesh out' their innuendos as it were, and they just sort of trailed off.

Heh. 'braincrash'.

Of course I remember Jimmah. That, as every moment with you, is engraved on my heart forever.

It was especially funny that someone else linked Dan Savage, sex columnist, to point out that even the gay community doesn't think of the word as having anything to do with any sexual act.

As per usual, it seems to be those most opposed to 'unusual' or 'outre' sexual acts who appear most obsessed by them...specifically, the notion that someone else, somewhere, is engaging in them and liking it.

421 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:20:16am

re: #419 Salamantis

I wrote a poem about fellatio, and another one about cunnilingus. Should I post them?

I certainly won't stop you, and will probably post some others as well (though not written by me).

422 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:20:32am

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Would you, dear Weasel, say somebody was "relishing in" something?

I rest my case.

You are simply wrong in this case Cato. "Relishing" as I used it is a noun. Your appeal to Latin is analogous, not English grammar.

423 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:28:18am

re: #422 Bagua

You are simply wrong in this case Cato. "Relishing" as I used it is a noun. Your appeal to Latin is analogous

FIFY!

424 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:32:36am

Act of Worship

You open your temple’s twin barriers
And allow me to piously approach your sanctum.
I bow my head in obeisant adoration before you.
You gracefully deign to entertain
This zealous disciple’s humble presence.
The venerated altar appears before me,
Accepting of my anointings, and
I, the astonished acolyte, approach your outer gates
And apply my diligent ministrations.
You are well and truly pleased by the fervour of my devotions
And reveal your central shrine to my blessed gaze.
I prostrate myself in reverence before its holy sight
And offer my ardent oblations to your sacred icon.
Time disappears as I ecstatically attend you.
Then a glorious frenzied miracle happens
Which utterly awes and ennobles my soul.
Foundations shake and heavens shine
As you, O Divine and Blissful Goddess,
Consecrate and hallow my enraptured dedication
By offering up your numinous gift
Of wondrous and sublime transcendence.


Bliss

You tantalize and tease me
Along my length from root to tip
And sensually squeeze me
Cup and caress with gentle grip
You tickle my blue lemons
Making their hairs arise and spread
Then draw your nails from in them
Tracing light lines from base to head.

I lengthen, glow and thicken
So thrilled by your arousing touch
My sensitiveness beckons
Oh you know how to do so much!
Intensity approaches
Your stroking more than I can stand
And ecstasy encroaches
Drawn by the candor of your hand.

And at long last your fingers
Rub round the edge of my flat point
And lusciously they linger
As you begin to it anoint
With full delicious lipping
Accompanied by artful tongue
And I feel myself slipping:
Heart choking throat and blocking lungs.

Till finally I'm cresting
Carried away by your smooth craft
As ripples rise arresting
All other thoughts but of my shaft
Then joyously releasing
To you so much I fear you'll drown;
Neither surprised nor ceasing
You drink me up and swallow down.

And then you glance up to me
Radiant smile upon your face
And whisper words that soothe me
And make me want your warm embrace.
How magically you love me!
I truly am a lucky one.
Favor must shine above me
To grant such love; I've come undone.

425 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:34:45am

re: #422 Bagua

Keep digging.

426 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:37:36am

re: #425 Cato the Elder

Keep digging.

I take it then that you do concede?

427 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:38:07am

re: #420 iceweasel

428 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:43:04am

I, too, have composed a poem about fellatio, though from "the other POV":

Slurp,
Slurp,
"Mmmffflurp?"
Slurp,
GLURP!
...
Burp.

;-)

(Actually, Salamantis, both your poems achieved a really good blend of sexiness and decorum -- well done!)

429 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:48:29am

re: #420 iceweasel

Heh. 'braincrash'.

Of course I remember Jimmah. That, as every moment with you, is engraved on my heart forever.

It was especially funny that someone else linked Dan Savage, sex columnist, to point out that even the gay community doesn't think of the word as having anything to do with any sexual act.

< 3 :)

As per usual, it seems to be those most opposed to 'unusual' or 'outre' sexual acts who appear most obsessed by them...specifically, the notion that someone else, somewhere, is engaging in them and liking it.

Absolutely. These types seem to have a real problem with other people obtaining pleasure in ways that are either unappealing or unavailable to them.

It's one thing to not like sprouts(and believe me I hate them) but it's quite another to rant about the evil of sprouts and try to stop other people from enjoying them if they are able to. But that is exactly what these people do with sex.

430 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:49:40am

re: #424 Salamantis

I'll sodomize you and shove my cock down your throat,
oral Aurelius and anal Furius,
who have supposed me to be immodest, on account of my verses,
because these are rather voluptuous and not very modest.
For the sacred poet ought to be chaste himself,
his verses need not be so;
which, in the end, only have wit and charm
if they are rather voluptuous and not very modest,
and are able to stimulate desire,
and I don't mean in boys, but in these hairy men
who cannot move their stiff thighs.
Just because you read about many thousands of kisses,
do you think I am not a real man?

Catullus, Carmina 16

431 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:58:42am

And for the best cunnilingus poem, we have to look to a woman writing about her female lover, of course:

[The Floating Poem, Unnumbered]
Whatever happens with us, your body
will haunt mine - tender, delicate
your lovemaking, like the half-curled frond
of the fiddlehead fern in forests
just washed by sun. Your traveled, generous thighs
between which my whole face has come and come -
the innocence and wisdom of the placee my tongue has found there -
the live, insatiate dance of your nipples in my mouth -
your touch on me, firm, protective, searching
me out, your strong tongue and slender fingers
reaching where I had been waiting years for you
in my rose-wet cave - whatever happens, this is.

[Link: www.sabrinaaiellophotography.com...]

432 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:02:58am

Okay, it's time for poems about soliciting for a one-night stand, masturbation, and nocturnal emission! And one that might prove even more disturbing...

Remember please, with the last one especially, that the poetic persona is not necessarily the stance of the poet!

Honest Proposition

Let us embark on courtship's dance
Begin romance
And let us kindle passion's fire
Inflame desire.
Then let us ride the rising tide
A-rage inside
And precious ecstasy purloin
Let us conjoin.

Let your thighs squeeze my stone caress
Feel my thickness.
Let my tongue tease your buds to bloom
Taste your perfume.
And let us shudder with delight
Exalt the night,
Then let us slumber till the morn,
Renewed, reborn.


The Nether Desire

Both men and women share desire
That burns below; a nether fire
Obsessing us with need most dire
Compelling pleasure we require
To thrill us like a glowing wire.

It forces us to seek surcease
And will not grant us any peace
But drives us to engage caprice
Pursuing blessed loin release
Till, satisfied, its urgings cease.

And when we find ourselves alone
Without another for our own
It yet maintains its craving drone
Demanding that it still be shown
The fealty due its greedy throne.


Night Visitation

Goddess, you come to me tonight as dream nymph.
Not quite Jean Harlow, Monroe or a young Mae West
But hair blond and breasts of cream
You romp in silken scenes from silent movies
That in the twenties Anais Nin might have made.
Coquesttish even in your wantonness
You arch and shrug and stretch - and tug -
And touch me with electric fingers.
Our nipples brush and harden.
You wet my mouth with your moist kisses.
Suddenly I am Lawrence of Arabia with horns
And a moon shines on your brow
As you draw me into the desert tent
Through the film, and into you, my oasis.
Veils fall and titters morph to moans
As we roil rhythmically, in tune with inner tides.
I awaken spent. And thank you, Goddess
For your bestowal of succubic blessings.


The Watermelon Theft

It was perfect. Dinner, a movie,
Furtive glances emboldened by their return
Insinuendo banter replacing careful conversation
Then drinks and tipsy dancing, close car embraces
And at the door, the inevitable “Nightcap?”
“Sure,” I smiled and deep-kissed.

Things moved more rapidly inside
Once the drinks were in hand
And the music was on.
The glasses were drained and put aside
By reluctantly freed appendages.
Then she began Heinz Ketchup talk
To build the moment.

“I need you deep down inside me
You make me want it so bad.”

The entry was superb;
Positioned to the proper vector
Of smooth sliding resistance.
Gasps and groans ensued as I deliciously slipped
To the hilt beneath her velvet tangle
Then in synchrony we moved
And seamlessly set a mutually pleasing rhythm
As if we’d been bedding for years.

Churning the butter of passion
With sighs interspersed like flecks on buttermilk
At the critical cresting moment
As she whimpered, clutched and writhed
I, with abandoned thrust
Nuzzled the edge of a diaphragm
And my climax was dampened;
My explosion paved with oil.

Don’t get me wrong, now;
She was great
And the worst I ever had was solid good
But - and I must speak carefully here –

It was as if you and your best friend
Had moonglow snuck into the watermelon patch
And shared the ripest and juiciest between you
Splitting halvsies from the ends
Only to discover
That the rat had paid the farmer in advance.

433 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:06:49am

re: #430 iceweasel

I'll sodomize you and shove my cock down your throat,
Catullus, Carmina 16

HAR! Note that at the site ice links to, the Latin verb irrumabo is actually translated as "(I) shall clintonize (you)!"

But a more graphic translation of irrumare is, as iceweasel correctly said, "to shove one's penis in someone else's mouth," or "to face fuck."

434 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:07:43am

Well whaddya know - the sun came up! And on that note:

Youtube Video
435 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:11:57am

re: #428 Throbert McGee

I, too, have composed a poem about fellatio, though from "the other POV":

Slurp,
Slurp,
"Mmmffflurp?"
Slurp,
GLURP!
...
Burp.

;-)

(Actually, Salamantis, both your poems achieved a really good blend of sexiness and decorum -- well done!)

Posted praise is better than an upding any day!

436 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:56:36am

re: #432 Salamantis

Hmm, you do actually remind me of Catullus, some of the more bawdy Carmina. Also the last one kind of reminds me of Kingsley Amis or John Berryman in its cynicism. There's a specific Amis poem I'm thinking of but it's not online. Might take me a few minutes to dig it up here.

Also, Insinuendo is a rocking neologism!

Thanks as always for sharing.

437 The Left  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:57:22am

re: #434 Jimmah

Night, Jimmah-ski. :)

xoxo i.

438 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 3:00:54am

Hallucinatory Love

In the sliding instant
Between the movement's mystery and the moment's magic
I pause to act and touch your cheek.
The osmosis of texture to sense
Is an ecstasy my mind cannot enclose.
Our conjoining: a mutual amazement
In the presence of classical cloven-hooved symmetry.
Our paradox: each holds, enfolds the other
Whom neither can grasp.
Ancient newness flowing hot plasma wetness -
The jigsaw fitness an unfathomable delight.
My fingers burn, unable to taste your depths;
My eyes, nevertheless seeing,
Fill and flow, spill and glow.
Reflection upon unverifiable reflection
Cascade and avalanche
And, blanching, heart pounding frail head,
I glimpse you struggling in the hall
Then falling floating freely through the
Dark doorway that each of us possesses
And where no one else may follow.
In my dreams, we embrace in the
Sanctity of that room for all to see
Once and forever
And never leave.

I awaken and we are there.
No, here, in the bathroom
With you celloed between my thighs
Chin beside your shoulder gazing deep into my eyes
As we bather each other withough hurry or hesitation
Mutually cleansing and rinsing our passion
With touches of love.

439 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 3:07:46am

As we bather each other withough hurry or hesitation

As we bathe each other without hurry or hesitation

But you knew that...;~)

PIMF

440 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 5:39:16am

What. The. Fuck.

441 KathyP  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 5:49:28am

I remember hearing a few years back a couple of guys cutting timber were killed by some pot growers in Kentucky (Lewis County- north central KY). So it's not a stretch to think that this poor guy met a similar fate.

442 ali mentary  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 6:11:15am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

And you are 100% right, it deals with the discussion, not with the topics.

Besides, the discussion itself does not look really like dealing with the topics.

/smiley.

443 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 6:56:33am

I left and it became a Cato vs. Bluto thread?

hmmm

444 eprn1n2  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 7:18:24am

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Jump to conclusions much? Any real evidence to back that up? At the very least an ignorant post. Very similar to linking Oklahoma bombing to talk radio.

445 drcordell  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 7:48:05am

re: #444 eprn1n2

Jump to conclusions much? Any real evidence to back that up? At the very least an ignorant post. Very similar to linking Oklahoma bombing to talk radio.

Yeah because Glenn Beck hasn't done ANY fearmongering with regard to ACORN and the census...

446 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 7:51:14am

Grew up in Appalachia, and can tell you there's a strong streak of anti-Fed, anti-outsider sentiment there. Relic of moonshining days, I suppose, or cultural inheritance of the Scots-Irish settlers.

Anyway, this kinda thing is sorta kinda out of character for the area. A snooper or trespasser would just be killed and dumped somewhere; but to be hanged in a visible place, before or after death, suggests another motive over and above merely doing in somebody who was where he ought not to have been.

447 solomonpanting  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:13:16am

re: #385 iceweasel

That's pretty disgusting and betrays your own latent homophobia.

As a gay friend told me years ago, "Better latent than never."

448 Korla Pundit  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:14:15am

To do an FBI profile, I surmise this was a chef/serial killer with short-term memory loss.

449 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:34:12am
450 Flavia  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:03:07am

I can't believe there's any question as to what this is, and to who (generally) is responsible.

451 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:51am

re: #426 Bagua

I take it then that you do concede?

No. I meant, you find yourself in a hole. Here's a shovel.

452 Korla Pundit  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:12:26am

re: #450 Flavia

If I had to guess, which is all anybody can do at this point, I would have to say meth dealers, and I would also assume they are users as well. It's an epidemic in that area.

453 thatemailname  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #8 Kilroy

Way out of bounds linking this to Tea Parties.

That's damn right.

454 poteen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:48:26am

re: #449 buzzsawmonkey

I don't suppose that there's any chance that Bugs Bunny's grandson is responsible for mistaking this fellow for Elmer Fudd--and, as a product of the public schools, misspelled Fudd's name.


As good as any theory.
Lots of reasons for anti-gov sentiment in that area. The particular motivation could range from anti Obama Looneytoons to a Fudd/ Bunny blood feud Looneytoons. When the FBI says "That's All Folks", then the "Fractured Fairy Tales" of conspiracy will ensue.
The simple logical conclusion is that the census taking, part-time teacher was killed by a sociopath whose rationale for murder, whatever that is, is delusional.

455 Land Shark  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:58:55am

I would strongly encourage people not to go off the deep end and start linking people like Beck and others without any proof. I think this is quite possibly political, but given today's politically charged climate, a pot grower or meth type could see it as a way to make people think it was political and throw the authorities off the scent.

Either way let's wait and see what the investigation reveals. These are very volatile times. Let's not add to it. I do believe it's possibly a political murder, but I think we need to make sure on this and not be part of wild speculation because if it is political we have entered into a very dangerous time in our country.

Whoever did it and for what ever reason, I hope they catch the lowlife scum who did this, period.
Who

456 Korla Pundit  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:28:56am

Maybe it was really wabbit season, but somebody put up a sign about it being duck season, or vice versa.

457 funky chicken  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:30:03am

My money's on meth manufacturers. They are the scum of the earth.

458 maynard  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:37:42am

It is ridiculous to assign blame to Beck for this unfortunate death. Consider the fact that the region is rapidly becoming a hotbed of marijuana growing:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Most likely the man was found by a weed grower who wanted to keep his field secret from the Feds. Ask yourself - who benefits from the death? Glenn Beck, or an unknown drug grower?

459 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #458 maynard

It is ridiculous to assign blame to Beck for this unfortunate death.

I didn't.

460 maynard  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 1:57:26pm

re: #459 Charles

I didn't.

No, Charles, you didn't. But others who share your opinion of Beck have.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
You might avoid insinuations you don't mean by not writing practically the same thing as this guy. If you didn't mean to bring Beck into it, why did you mention the Tea Party?

461 leon77  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:43:03pm

I was a census field worker in 99. Even near my cosmopolitan city it was scary how many anti-"guvmint" wackos there were, and I feared for my safety a lot.

Read the Constitution numbskulls, how else are you supposed to count people? Do you kill the mailmen too?

I suspect the killer was not just a druggie, but an ideologue.

462 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 2:46:08pm

update -

"Trosper said the initial AP story on the death contains “flaws and errors.” That means it’s possible that the AP’s claim, based on an anonymous source, that he had the word “fed” scrawled on his chest could be false. Asked if that were the case, Trosper declined to comment."

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

don't know if this really clarifies as much as confuses the story more...

463 Ariana  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #14 Danny

Considering Kentucky's long history of fights with "feds" over moonshine production and pot farms(now one of the state's larger sources of income(and untaxed at that). Hill communities don't like strangers "pokin around in their business" and are famous for bringing out the shotguns when the "revenoorers" showed up looking for stills. In recent years, people are warned not to hike around in certain areas which have been found to have Vietcong-like booby-traps( think Rambo and sharp sticks). This poor man could have stumbled onto someone's pot production plant.

464 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:29:49pm
465 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:57:43am

Bye now! Take care.

466 Tricky Dick  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 10:28:17am

There's about as much of a chance that this is related to any "Tea Party" thing in D.C. as there is that the guy wrote the words on his chest and then hung himself. I think Ariana's post is closer to the truth than anything else.

467 Flavia  Sun, Sep 27, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #452 Korla Pundit

In rural Kentucky? And meth dealers or users would take the time to mark him as a "Fed"?


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