Origin of Species - The Creationist Version

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Former teen idol Kirk Cameron and his idiot creationist pal Ray Comfort are distributing a new edition of Charles Darwin’s “The Origin of Species” — with an introduction “explaining” how Darwin’s scientific theory led directly to Adolf Hitler, among other mind-bendingly dumb creationist tropes.

Darwin is spinning in his grave like a DNA centrifuge.

Here’s ZOMGitsCriss, giving this insanity exactly the amount of respect it deserves — none. (Mild language warning.)

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332 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:55:34pm

Name that accent. Italian?

2 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:56:14pm

I'll take comment 200.

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:56:21pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Name that accent. Italian?

Sounds Russian or East European to me.

4 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:56:33pm

Darwin's not the only one spinning. This crappola from Kirk Cameron is making my head spin.

5 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:56:38pm

She sums Kirk Cameron's crappola in one word. Booolshit!

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:57:09pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Name that accent. Italian?

Romanian.

7 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:57:10pm

re: #2 swamprat

I'll take comment 200.

Vegas has the over/under at 99

8 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:57:29pm

Weren't they going to try and distribute 5000 copies around California in one day or some ridiculous bullshit like that?

Who reads the introductions to new editions of classical texts anyway?

The fact of the matter is that very few people are going to read OoS on their own if it's not assigned in a class. They are going to read Stephen Jay Gould or a more modern biologist explaining Darwin. If they do read it for a class, it won't be this version assigned and if they get to pick their own text they won't be assigned to read the introduction.

9 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:57:44pm

It's adult swim time now, Kirk. Come out from the deep end.

10 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:57:54pm

OT: Hosam Maher Husein Smadi Arrested For Dallas Bomb Plot

Huffpo. Not Hot Air, Malkin, Crazy Pam, Spencer, Instapundit. Huffpo.
/Meh

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:58:20pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Name that accent. Italian?

And I will bet she is Jewish too.

12 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:58:36pm

She's wearing an Egyptian ankh. Child of Osiris, I rebuke thee!

13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:02pm

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Romanian.


Good call. Maybe Hungarian too. got a slavic thing going on.

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:08pm

re: #2 swamprat

I'll take comment 200.

Nahh they've seen a private thread... They are chomping at the bit... I'll say 125

15 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:17pm

You don't open the Bible, you open the Constitution. Nice!

16 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:39pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Name that accent. Italian?

Sounds Russian to me.

Kirk Cameron is a harbinger of the Stupidocalypse. Everything the man touches, turns to Dumb. He's like the Kevin Bacon of mind-boiling idiocy, only with one or two degrees instead of six. I cannot believe how often his name turns up in connection with the most willfully ignorant people who suck air on G-d's blue earth. Seriously.

17 bosforus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:40pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

73

18 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:43pm

OK, yeah, should have watched the video

19 jaunte  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:49pm

Nice poking of holes in Cameron's list of victimization points.

20 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 8:59:51pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Good call. Maybe Hungarian too. got a slavic thing going on.

I have too many off the boat Russian colleagues. I'm pretty sure it isn't Russian.

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:00:13pm

re: #17 bosforus

73

This is like name that tune!

22 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:00:44pm

I love how he can put in the Hitler canard with a straight face. Her evisceration after that part is epic.

23 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:00:59pm

Dutch?

24 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:02:01pm

"But let's cot through the boolsheet..."

25 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:02:55pm

Kirk Camerons' required readin'-and-watchin' list.

1. Downfall, with Bruno Ganz.
2. Downfall, again.
3. Downfall, a third time.
4. Think real hard about Hitler being crazy. Then go to the library and look up everything you can find with the keyword "Romanticism".

26 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:02:57pm

Time for this again, and good night all.

Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":

"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Link

27 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:03:35pm

I am such a dirty old man, but damn, I'm in love...

28 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:12pm

re: #26 Ojoe

Time for this again, and good night all.

Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":

"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Link

The Church has come a long way from the days of Galileo, and I mean that in a positive way.

29 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:23pm

Tongan?

30 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:29pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

Nahh they've seen a private thread... They are chomping at the bit... I'll say 125

I'll take 173. And I'll get the charcoal ready, please pre-order drinks now. Anything but hard liqueur is OK.

31 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:34pm

Earth to Stupid:

"Evolution is Intelligent Design."

---P.J. O'Rourke

Hey Lizards! How's it going?

33 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:41pm

Alaskan?

34 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:47pm

I'm going to go with Czech.

35 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:04:50pm

Disbelieving evolution in the 21st Century, with all its advanced medicine, is a bit like arguing that electricity comes from angels that live in the wall.

36 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:05:32pm

Ok...someone help me out with the banana reference.

37 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:05:38pm

re: #27 Cato the Elder

I am such a dirty old man, but damn, I'm in love...

I dig smart women, being hot is just icing on the cake. They are damn hard to seduce though, they don't fall for the usual mind games.:)

38 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:05:38pm

She's Romanian. Here's her YouTube page.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

39 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:01pm

I love this woman. I'm going to move to a same-sex marriage state and ask her to marry me, I think.

40 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:26pm

re: #26 Ojoe

Now if he'd only quit blaming atheists for climate change.

41 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:30pm

re: #28 Kosh's Shadow

The Church has evolved, hasn't it?

"The scriptures haven't changed, we just understand them better."

— John XXIII

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:35pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I'll take 173. And I'll get the charcoal ready, please pre-order drinks now. Anything but hard liqueur is OK.

No baby I drink scotch for a troll roast...

43 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:47pm

re: #29 The Shadow Do

Tongan?

I'd like to put my tongue in.

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:48pm

re: #38 Charles

She's Romanian. Here's her YouTube page.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

And who called it!

45 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:48pm

re: #27 Cato the Elder

I am such a dirty old man, but damn, I'm in love...

Hell, I'm a dirty young man, and I dig her. Never been with a foreign girl, and though I usually don't go for gnarly hair I'll make an exception because she's a blonde and she's willing to go on the internuts and call Kirk Cameron a moron.

46 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:06:49pm

Kirk's been Fisked by a real hottie...from, uh, Alabama?

47 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:07:22pm

Goodnight

48 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:07:34pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

I'd like to put my tongue in.

OwwwOooo

49 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:07:40pm

re: #28 Kosh's Shadow

The Church has come a long way from the days of Galileo, and I mean that in a positive way.

Priests and Nuns receive the best of educations --The Pope doesn't get to be a world leader without it.

I'm not a Pope groupie, but I can say as someone raised and educated in the RC Church, I have gotten more sane (although somewhat philosophical) answers from Priests and Nuns than from most people. They are also more accepting of my doubts than lay people. Interesting

50 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:07:51pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I love this woman. I'm going to move to a same-sex marriage state and ask her to marry me, I think.

Please post the honeymoon video.

51 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:08:33pm

anyone who reads this is just going to read the introduction, so why bother with printing the rest of the book?

52 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:09:05pm

As I said in the last thread, creationism is a symptom of the disease. The disease comes from a literal reading of the Bible that does not allow for Biblical criticism. In many ways, it is all too similar to what we've seen with the jihadists. They go for an all or nothing approach, with what they present as the "all", and the "nothing" being if you deviate from them in the least. Very conformist they are. And so it is with them that if you do not believe as they believe, you must therefore, no matter your sect of Christianity, no matter how pious or observant you are, you must therefore be a godless liberal atheist and diametrically opposed to them.

With Christ, it was "those who are not against us are with us". With these folks, it is "those who are not with us are therefore against us". Ironic that these literalists call themselves Christians.

53 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:09:13pm

She wants to use the 50 pages as toilet paper. I love her.

54 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:09:18pm

fireworks in the private thread?

55 albusteve  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:09:52pm

sssnake!
boolshit!

I like her...pretty cool vid

56 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:10:04pm

re: #52 Honorary Yooper

As I said in the last thread, creationism is a symptom of the disease. The disease comes from a literal reading of the Bible that does not allow for Biblical criticism. In many ways, it is all too similar to what we've seen with the jihadists. They go for an all or nothing approach, with what they present as the "all", and the "nothing" being if you deviate from them in the least. Very conformist they are. And so it is with them that if you do not believe as they believe, you must therefore, no matter your sect of Christianity, no matter how pious or observant you are, you must therefore be a godless liberal atheist and diametrically opposed to them.

With Christ, it was "those who are not against us are with us". With these folks, it is "those who are not with us are therefore against us". Ironic that these literalists call themselves Christians.

Isn't the Zero-Sum Game a logical fallacy?

57 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:10:13pm

Her production values put Penn Jillette's amateurish ramblings to shame.

58 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:10:26pm

BTW, she mentions this but it should be very strongly harped upon.

There is an utter disingenuousness by the Fundie Right to accuse anyone of hating women or subjecting them... These are the people who are opposed to birth control and essentially every aspect of the modern educated woman.

That they would even try to pander in that way is appalling.

59 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:10:39pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

She wants to use the 50 pages as toilet paper. I love her.

I'll pass on that. It's too rough and teh stoopid in it would chafe my ass.

60 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:11:04pm

re: #56 ggt

Isn't the Zero-Sum Game a logical fallacy?

Yes it is, but that's how these folks think.

61 Irenicum  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:11:10pm

I think I love this girl! That was hysterical!

62 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:11:58pm

re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote


Maybe it's for the fundie Mormans.

63 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:12:44pm

re: #49 ggt

Priests and Nuns receive the best of educations --The Pope doesn't get to be a world leader without it.

I'm not a Pope groupie, but I can say as someone raised and educated in the RC Church, I have gotten more sane (although somewhat philosophical) answers from Priests and Nuns than from most people. They are also more accepting of my doubts than lay people. Interesting

When I went to college, there was another undergrad physics major who was an ordained priest. He had no problems with classes, and he could also analyze the Bible in several languages, tracing the history of the translations. Quite impressive.

64 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:12:46pm

And gentlemen across the web
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their bandwidth cheap whilst any speaks
That didst debate with us, upon this
Saint Darwin's Day!

65 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:13:26pm

re: #62 BignJames

Maybe it's for the fundie Mormans.

Why the Morman bashing?

66 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:15:26pm

re: #57 Cato the Elder

Her production values put Penn Jillette's amateurish ramblings to shame.

Admit it, you are just hot for her...

67 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:16:00pm

re: #65 The Shadow Do

Why the Morman bashing?

What bashing?

68 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:16:35pm

OT
Justice Ginsburg at Washington Hospital Center

69 Gus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:16:35pm

Go home, Kirk Cameron, and take the Disco Institute with you.

ZOMGitsCriss rules.

Now I wonder if the inbred stalkers are going to harass her per usual.

70 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:16:56pm

re: #63 Kosh's Shadow

When I went to college, there was another undergrad physics major who was an ordained priest. He had no problems with classes, and he could also analyze the Bible in several languages, tracing the history of the translations. Quite impressive.

People who receive the Calling in any faith tend to be pretty amazing, IMHO. They live a different kind of life.

71 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:17:15pm

re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote

Admit it, you are just hot for her...

Of course. But I was looking at a "home vid" Jillette rant today, and it was awful from a prod val standpoint. When he's on script and has a team working for him, he's unbeatable. But on YouTube he's just another guy pullin' his beard and fumbling for words.

72 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:18:04pm

re: #68 The Shadow Do

OT
Justice Ginsburg at Washington Hospital Center

I hope she recovers.

If not, buckle up.

73 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:18:07pm

re: #68 The Shadow Do

OT
Justice Ginsburg at Washington Hospital Center

Oh dear, I hope she doesn't suffer too much. Not my favorite Judge, but an accomplished person. Pancreatic Cancer sucks.

74 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #68 The Shadow Do

OT
Justice Ginsburg at Washington Hospital Center

I read about this earlier. Don't much like her decisions, but hope she gets well soon.

Some other blogs are taking the opportunity to show their class regarding her condition. Or should I say crassness instead of class?

75 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:19:03pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Go home, Kirk Cameron, and take the Disco Institute with you.

ZOMGitsCriss rules.

Now I wonder if the inbred stalkers are going to harass her per usual.

Of course they will. I am also certain that as a beautiful and intelligent woman with a lot of personality, she gets her share of creeps writing her too.

76 bosforus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:19:36pm

I lose.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:19:42pm

re: #68 The Shadow Do

OT
Justice Ginsburg at Washington Hospital Center

Damn. Pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Worst you can get.

78 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:19:56pm
79 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:19pm

re: #74 Honorary Yooper

I read about this earlier. Don't much like her decisions, but hope she gets well soon.

Some other blogs are taking the opportunity to show their class regarding her condition. Or should I say crassness instead of class?

G-d they will root for her death in those places. Just sick.

80 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:19pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn. Pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Worst you can get.

Yeah, I know. Lost my grandfather that way.

81 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:31pm

re: #78 swamprat

sssnake

82 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:35pm

*booking trip to Romania*

83 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:41pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Name that accent. Italian?

Whatever it is I like it! And her attitude. And her looks.

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:51pm

re: #80 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, I know. Lost my grandfather that way.

One of my grandparents too.

85 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:20:52pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn. Pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Worst you can get.

It's what took Patrick Swayze out...

86 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:21:19pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn. Pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Worst you can get.

Did not know. Lost 2 friends to that. Nasty business.

87 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:21:26pm

I swear I was looking at her necklace and not down her shirt.

88 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:21:46pm

re: #67 BignJames

You were promted to respond to this statement by Ludwig:

There is an utter disingenuousness by the Fundie Right to accuse anyone of hating women or subjecting them... These are the people who are opposed to birth control and essentially every aspect of the modern educated woman.


with this comment:

Maybe it's for the fundie Mormans.

What did you mean?

89 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:22:02pm

re: #87 Conservative Moonbat

I swear I was looking at her necklace and not down her shirt.

And you read "those magazine" for the articles, too.

90 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:22:11pm

re: #87 Conservative Moonbat

I swear I was looking at her necklace and not down her shirt.

describe it.

:)

91 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:22:30pm

Just had another Beckmelt.

92 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:22:52pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Did not know the seriousness of her condition. Charles was right to delete it.

93 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:23:21pm

re: #90 ggt

describe it.

:)

It's an Ankh isn't it?

94 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:23:33pm

Thanks Charles. That was wrong.

95 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:23:46pm

re: #88 The Shadow Do


Are you unfamiliar with fundamentalist Mormon cults and their treatment of women?

96 jaunte  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:23:47pm

re: #91 Charles

Unreal.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:23:58pm

I think it was Kirk Cameron's saying that there have been no transitional fossils that really tripped my trigger. He says this after all the finds of dinosaurs with feathers, after the find of the transitional amphibian whose fossil is on exhibit at Chicago Field Museum. All that evidence and Kirk ignores it.

Dear Mr. Cameron,

Take your Lying For Jesus and cram up your ass. Come back when you have theories that don't rely on blatant deceit. Until then STFU.

Fuck you very much,

Dark_Falcon

98 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:25:00pm

re: #50 avanti

You DIDN'T post that???
LOL!

99 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:25:08pm

re: #91 Charles

Just had another Beckmelt.

Hmmm a Beckmelt Sanwich...

2 pcs. buttered Wonder bread.
4 tbspn Mayonaise
1 slice baloney.
1. pc Kraft white American Cheese

Fry in lard/

100 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:25:12pm

re: #91 Charles

Just had another Beckmelt.

Is that like a tuna melt? I don't like tuna, so they both sound gross to me.

101 bosforus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:25:27pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

...on the Triceratops you rode in on!

102 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:25:27pm

Attn: all flouncers; future, past and present...
Life goes on within you and without you

Youtube Video

/Namaste
103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:26:26pm

re: #101 bosforus

...on the Triceratops you rode in on!

LOL!

104 Gus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:26:31pm

re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course they will. I am also certain that as a beautiful and intelligent woman with a lot of personality, she gets her share of creeps writing her too.

I'm almost certain they will.

105 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:26:34pm

re: #95 BignJames

Are you unfamiliar with fundamentalist Mormon cults and their treatment of women?

Are you unfamiliar with mainstream Mormanism? You do know there are fringe sects/cults within "normal" christian Protestantism, etc. no? Why the special targeting of Mormons, just a joke? If so, that's fine.

106 davinvalkri  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:26:48pm

re: #91 Charles

Just had another Beckmelt.

Oozing cheese and with lots of thick-cut ham? I'll pass.

107 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:26:55pm

re: #55 albusteve

sssnake!
boolshit!

I like her...pretty cool vid

I like most all of her video's, and not just for the eye candy. Here's one on Muslims.

link...

108 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:27:05pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Attn: all flouncers; future, past and present...
Life goes on within you and without you

And that's what they really hate.

109 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #91 Charles

Just had another Beckmelt.

I wonder what sort of sandwich you could attach to that name.

I'm thinking American cheese and a slice of Spam on Wonder bread.

110 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:09pm

This chick won me over fairly quickly.

...and Kirk Cameron just convinced me that I spent a lot of quality time never watching whatever that TV show was he was on a few years ago.

111 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:29pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn. Pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Worst you can get.

Isn't there a very small window (like a couple of weeks) of time where it can be treated before it becomes a death sentence? I thought the reason why most victims of pancreatic cancer died was because it was discovered outside of this very small window.

112 jaunte  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:34pm

Goodnight all. Thanks again Charles, for remaining sane amid the mixed nuts.

113 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:35pm

Umm...before getting into a debate about "Mormanism" it would be well to know there is no "a" in the word...

114 bosforus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:28:58pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

LOL!

Didn't have time for the link. Was too hurried just to type in the punchline.
Image: 20090316010101!Creation_museum_triceratops_saddle.jpg

115 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:29:02pm

re: #109 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wonder what sort of sandwich you could attach to that name.

I'm thinking American cheese and a slice of Spam on Wonder bread.

Damn, I'm hungry. That sounds good!

116 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:29:04pm

re: #87 Conservative Moonbat

I swear I was looking at her necklace and not down her shirt.

I had the same problem with some upskirt action on one of her videos. :)

117 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:29:10pm

OK, now this is weird.

[Link: www.cleonskousen.com...]

118 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:29:47pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

Umm...before getting into a debate about "Mormanism" it would be well to know there is no "a" in the word...

Yeah people who think that it's spelled that way are morans!

/need I srsly?

119 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:30:11pm

re: #98 Floral Giraffe

You DIDN'T post that???
LOL!

Avanti's a guy. And he used to be a sailor. As I've said here before, the unnatural thing would be if he didn't oogle women from time-to-time.

120 davinvalkri  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:30:21pm

re: #117 Charles

OK, now this is weird.

[Link: www.cleonskousen.com...]

Fan site, eh? Well, maybe he's using the same program that puts up advertisements for Beck's new book on the right side! Isn't there any way to fix that, by the way?

121 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:30:28pm

re: #105 The Shadow Do


Well, yes it was a joke because right offhand I can't think of any of the "normal" Protestant cults to reference.

Ox get gored much?

122 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:30:44pm

re: #117 Charles

Related links: John Birch Society - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Glenn Beck - United States - Federal Bureau of Investigation - Joel Skousen -


Tea Party!
/Ron Paul

123 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:30:52pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

Umm...before getting into a debate about "Mormanism" it would be well to know there is no "a" in the word...

I was openly called out in class, as an English major, for my "cavalier" spelling. I apologize but am sure to be a repeat offender.

124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:31:10pm

re: #120 davinvalkri

Fan site, eh? Well, maybe he's using the same program that puts up advertisements for Beck's new book on the right side! Isn't there any way to fix that, by the way?

Fix what? Simon and Schuster are paying me perfectly good, green money for that ad.

125 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:31:17pm

re: #91 Charles

Is it Cantor's Deli in LA that names it's sandwiches after personalities?
Hmm, wonder what's on a Beckmelt?

126 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:31:44pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Mega-updings for one of my all-time favorite songs.

127 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:32:13pm

re: #117 Charles

OK, now this is weird.

[Link: www.cleonskousen.com...]

just lovely

128 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:32:38pm

re: #124 Charles

Fix what? Simon and Schuster are paying me perfectly good, green money for that ad.

LOL.

129 davinvalkri  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:32:40pm

re: #124 Charles

Fix what? Simon and Schuster are paying me perfectly good, green money for that ad.

Yes, but I don't think most of us like seeing that pouty face in a soviet-y-fascist-ish-inspired dress-up.

130 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:32:49pm

re: #126 Cato the Elder

I haven't heard it in ages. Headphones in real stereo is best.
/Joint don't hurt none either

131 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:33:19pm

re: #115 The Shadow Do

Damn, I'm hungry. That sounds good!

Don't do it! That's how it'll get you. The next thing you know you'll be eating them regularly and then getting upset when people point out to you that consuming Beckmelts is dangerously unhealthy. You'll say things like "Well I'm no doctor, I'm just an average guy who really likes cheese and spam" and then you'll start crying and getting theatric and going to pro-American-cheese protests with signs decrying prosciutto and gruyere as un-American communist foods.

132 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:33:57pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!
/Ron Paul

The sad thing is that the Enlightenment Ideas/Values are being painted as a wholly Christian phenom. So is there any wonder the masses/youth flock to collectivism?

133 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:34:01pm

re: #73 ggt

And, pancreatic cancer is IIRC always a diagnosis of death. Ususally a fast one. Prayers for the Justice.

134 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:34:33pm

re: #121 BignJames

Well, yes it was a joke because right offhand I can't think of any of the "normal" Protestant cults to reference.

Ox get gored much?

Snake handlers and such...

Wish I had an Ox, I'd eat the SOB about now I am so hungry. No, I am not Mormon. In fact I ain't religious. But I'll work on it I guess.

135 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:34:50pm

re: #129 davinvalkri

Yes, but I don't think most of us like seeing that pouty face in a soviet-y-fascist-ish-inspired dress-up.

then hit the tip jar hard! Charles has to eat somehow, someway.

136 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:35:18pm

re: #111 ArchangelMichael

Isn't there a very small window (like a couple of weeks) of time where it can be treated before it becomes a death sentence? I thought the reason why most victims of pancreatic cancer died was because it was discovered outside of this very small window.

This I do not know. I do know that of the cancers it progresses very rapidly and has the highest mortality rate.

137 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:35:43pm

re: #111 ArchangelMichael

Isn't there a very small window (like a couple of weeks) of time where it can be treated before it becomes a death sentence? I thought the reason why most victims of pancreatic cancer died was because it was discovered outside of this very small window.

From what I gather - pancreatic cancer, like ovarian cancer, is difficult to detect - often, its symptoms mimic other problems, and patients are treated for various other things, rather than being checked for cancer.

It's what happened to my mom. By the time her ovarian cancer was diagnosed, she was 17 days away from death.

138 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:36:28pm

re: #133 Floral Giraffe

And, pancreatic cancer is IIRC always a diagnosis of death. Ususally a fast one. Prayers for the Justice.

and not an easy one, IIRC. One of the worst of the cancers.

139 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:36:47pm

re: #134 The Shadow Do


I've referenced snake handlers before, too...also as a joke.

140 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Avanti's a guy. And he used to be a sailor. As I've said here before, the unnatural thing would be if he didn't oogle women from time-to-time.

It it does not move, paint it, if it does, fondle it.

141 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:37:01pm

re: #133 Floral Giraffe

And, pancreatic cancer is IIRC always a diagnosis of death. Ususally a fast one. Prayers for the Justice.

My aunt was given 2-3 months. She made it 13. One tough woman.. they put her on an experimental treatment and that plus her stubbornness gave her an extra year. God bless MD Anderson, but I miss her.

142 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:37:05pm

re: #131 Pawn of the Oppressor

Don't do it! That's how it'll get you. The next thing you know you'll be eating them regularly and then getting upset when people point out to you that consuming Beckmelts is dangerously unhealthy. You'll say things like "Well I'm no doctor, I'm just an average guy who really likes cheese and spam" and then you'll start crying and getting theatric and going to pro-American-cheese protests with signs decrying prosciutto and gruyere as un-American communist foods.

I just know I have some fucking crackers or something around here. Hungry! Hungry! Hungry!

143 Gus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:37:35pm

Evil

Youtube Video
144 davinvalkri  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:37:38pm

re: #140 avanti

It it does not move, paint it, if it does, fondle it.

???

Uh...what?

145 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:38:07pm

re: #138 ggt

I have lost 3 friends to pancreatic cancer.
All within 60 days of diagnosis.
*sniff*
I still misss them.

146 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:38:33pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

I'm sorry to hear that.

147 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:38:35pm

Has anyone ever had an actor (or singer) take up a cause and actually reel you in?

Actually Kirk Cameron just reminded me of Huckabee. My BS Detector started going nuts about eight seconds in.

148 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:38:42pm

re: #141 cliffster
That is incredible.

149 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:39:40pm

re: #145 Floral Giraffe

I have lost 3 friends to pancreatic cancer.
All within 60 days of diagnosis.
*sniff*
I still misss them.

Just a terrible disease. Lost my father-in-law to it and now a close friend has it. I am worried for him and his family. damn

150 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:39:46pm

re: #146 ArchangelMichael

I'm sorry to hear that.

Thank you.

151 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:39:55pm

re: #143 Gus 802Oh my, she's cute. I'd like to snuggle up on that bed with her and... talk philosophy.

And/or other things.

152 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:39:58pm

re: #144 davinvalkri

???

Uh...what?

Navy thing.

153 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:42:05pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Sad to hear that, reine. I lost both my parents to colon cancer. I am fanatic about getting checked. You do the same.

154 baier  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:42:26pm

re: #123 The Shadow Do

I was openly called out in class, as an English major, for my "cavalier" spelling. I apologize but am sure to be a repeat offender.

Cato has gone after me for spelling too, even suggesting that I was poorly educated because of it. An annoying personal attack I've been dealing with my entire life. I don't take my poor spelling as a matter of pride, but accept it after many years of struggling through in-class essays and standardized testing. Many great writers, including Ben Franklin, George Bernard Shaw, and TS Eliot were notoriously poor spellers. Many scientific studies see poor spelling as a sign of intelligence, as spelling correctly requires one to accept many illogical rules, which is difficult for some.

155 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:42:30pm

Why is it that I, a Catholic, am not offended by atheists like this woman or Pat Condell?

Am I a bad Catholic, or are they bad atheists (i.e. no fangs or pentangles or whatever), or what's going on here?

I just can't get offended by them no matter how hard I try.

156 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:44:59pm

I'd hit it...but since she is a Russian, I'd remove all sharp objects from the bedroom.

157 bosforus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:45:13pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

You've got a functioning truth-dar.

158 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:46:35pm

re: #156 Egregious Philbin

Somehow I don't think you'd make it past the front door.

159 avanti  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:46:39pm

re: #151 Pawn of the Oppressor

Oh my, she's cute. I'd like to snuggle up on that bed with her and... talk philosophy.

And/or other things.

What you mean is, you'd talk about the first thing that pops up./ (OK, done objectifying a very smart woman, that I'm convinced could kick my ass, mentally and physically)

160 Ian MacGregor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:46:46pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

It's not so simple as that. Yes governments protect and deny rights, but there is also the idea of universal rights. Without such a concept how can one charge a country of violating human rights. A government may make genocide their policy. The millions who died in the extermination camps obviously lost their lives, but they do not lose their right to life.

The Declaration of Independence speaks to unalienable rights guaranteed not by government , but by "their Creator". Now whether one is a proponent of Natural law; i.e., God wrote the idea of such writes on mens hearts, or they come from societal evolution, rights exist no matter whether a government supports or is hostile to them.

161 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:46:47pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Good call. Maybe Hungarian too. got a slavic thing going on.

Hungarian isn't slavic, its quite unique and very hard to learn. Not Czech either.

Noted later in thread Romanian! Buna dua!

162 Gus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:46:55pm

re: #151 Pawn of the Oppressor

Oh my, she's cute. I'd like to snuggle up on that bed with her and... talk philosophy.

And/or other things.

I'm speechless. I could listen to her for hours.

163 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:47:18pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

Condell is great!
I previously posted this;

As a christian, I'm not sure that I would every want this man to convert; because if he ever came to know Christ, I seriously doubt he would be such a smug, self-assured condescending asshole, and therefore, not nearly as much fun to hear.

164 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #147 rwmofo

Has anyone ever had an actor (or singer) take up a cause and actually reel you in?

Actually Kirk Cameron just reminded me of Huckabee. My BS Detector started going nuts about eight seconds in.

It's a preaching to the choir thing. They aren't convincing anyone outside of a certain target audience if if they think they are.

People on the right, whether the rational right, or the kook right, are used to celebrities supporting leftist causes. When one makes it known they are a "conservative" of some kind, they get giddy.

I noticed this when I was a libertarian. Half the posts on the LP webpage read something like this: "Wow (insert obscure 2nd rate actor on crappy show here) is a Libertarian!" Republicans bitched about every leftist celebrity moonbat who spoke out against the wars. They told them celebrities were not to listened to on politics and they should go back to being entertainers... but watch out! Here comes Ron Silver, Jon Voight, and Dennis Miller and then all of a sudden it was ok for celebrities to talk about politics.

The end times and YEC kooks absolutely love Kirk Cameron. He's not going to appeal to anyone else though or "convert" anybody with this crap.

165 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:50:19pm

re: #159 avanti

What you mean is, you'd talk about the first thing that pops up./ (OK, done objectifying a very smart woman, that I'm convinced could kick my ass, mentally and physically)

And you'd enjoy every second of it.

166 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:50:48pm

re: #160 Ian MacGregor

The Declaration of Independence speaks to unalienable rights guaranteed not by government , but by "their Creator". Now whether one is a proponent of Natural law; i.e., God wrote the idea of such writes on mens hearts, or they come from societal evolution, rights exist no matter whether a government supports or is hostile to them.

That comes directly from Locke but I'm too buzzed at the moment to explain exactly how.
I wrote a paper on it once.

167 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:50:52pm

re: #154 baier

Many scientific studies see poor spelling as a sign of intelligence, as spelling correctly requires one to accept many illogical rules, which is difficult for some.

Nah, I just cain't spull...

168 sagehen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:53:16pm

re: #164 ArchangelMichael

Republicans bitched about every leftist celebrity moonbat who spoke out against the wars. They told them celebrities were not to listened to on politics and they should go back to being entertainers... but watch out! Here comes Ron Silver, Jon Voight, and Dennis Miller and then all of a sudden it was ok for celebrities to talk about politics.

Ronald Reagan. Sonny Bono. Fred Thompson. Arnold Schwarzennegger. Gopher from Love Boat. Clint Eastwood.

Any celebrities ever run on a "D" ticket?

But heaven forfend Streisand or Sheen or Spielberg should host a fundraiser.

169 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:55:13pm

re: #160 Ian MacGregor

It's not so simple as that. Yes governments protect and deny rights, but there is also the idea of universal rights. Without such a concept how can one charge a country of violating human rights. A government may make genocide their policy. The millions who died in the extermination camps obviously lost their lives, but they do not lose their right to life.

The Declaration of Independence speaks to unalienable rights guaranteed not by government , but by "their Creator". Now whether one is a proponent of Natural law; i.e., God wrote the idea of such writes on mens hearts, or they come from societal evolution, rights exist no matter whether a government supports or is hostile to them.

The Constitution trumps the DoI, and it's the Constitution where the rights of the government are separated from the rights of the people. These were written, and thus granted to us by Men. Justify it as God Given if you like, I won't argue, but reality is that a group of men defined these rights for the American People.

170 sagehen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:55:14pm

re: #160 Ian MacGregor

The Declaration of Independence speaks to unalienable rights guaranteed not by government , but by "their Creator".

Endowed by their creator, not guaranteed by him.

A subtle, yet relevant, difference.

Those rights are guaranteed by a contract between and amongst people.

171 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:55:34pm

re: #168 sagehen

Any celebrities ever run on a "D" ticket?

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."

172 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:55:57pm

re: #168 sagehen

Any celebrities ever run on a "D" ticket?

Do the name Al Frankin mean anything to ya, honey...

173 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:56:24pm

The film about Charles Darwin, "Creation," has been picked up by a US distributor:

U.S. deal evolves for Darwin biopic Creation.

(That headline is Reuters' idea of humor, I think.)

174 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:57:08pm

re: #172 The Shadow Do

Do the name Al Frankin mean anything to ya, honey...

dogshit?

175 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:57:17pm

re: #173 Charles

I'm so glad. I was worried it wouldn't get picked up.

176 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:58:03pm

Can't have an evolution thread without the latest cute baby orangutan video

Youtube Video

Don't forget to click out to Youtube and rate ZOMGitschriss video as awesome, the creationist downding brigade will be out in force against this one.

177 swamprat  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:58:19pm

Goodnight lizards. So far, the only troll-like comment to be made before # 200


was mine.

Sending myself to the showers.
Adios.

178 Ian MacGregor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:58:59pm

re: #170 sagehen

Thank you a very important difference.

179 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:59:23pm

re: #177 swamprat

Goodnight lizards. So far, the only troll-like comment to be made before # 200


was mine.

Sending myself to the showers.
Adios.

Training table at seven, son

180 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:59:33pm

Unfortunately, that Darwin film is from Mel Gibson's production company, but it doesn't look like Mel got his filthy hands into it.

181 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 9:59:50pm

re: #61 Irenicum

I think I love this girl! That was hysterical!

I'd hit it.

182 sagehen  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:00:22pm

re: #171 ArchangelMichael

re: #172 The Shadow Do


okay, now someone remind me which herb is supposed to help with my memory? I can't believe I didn't think of that. (oh, and John Hall is now a congressman from upstate NY, there was a bit of a fuss when the McCain campaign tried to us his song "Still the One" for their theme song, without paying the license).

183 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:00:34pm

OK, this video made me feel a lot better :).

184 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:00:57pm

Look out. They're pissed off again.

I've read this blog for at least 3 yrs. But, lately you have gone wacky. I won't be back. You need some professional help. You are obsessing on creationist and Glenn Beck. Think about taking Saturday and Sunday off and get a life again.

185 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:02:08pm
get a life again.

ironic?

186 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:02:23pm

re: #168 sagehen

"Any celebrities ever run on a "D" ticket?"

Cooter (D) from The Dukes of Hazzard was a US Representative from Georgia.

187 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:03:27pm

re: #184 Charles

Look out. They're pissed off again.

Nah, they are just concerned about your well being...

///

188 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:03:28pm

re: #182 sagehen

re: #172 The Shadow Do

okay, now someone remind me which herb is supposed to help with my memory? I can't believe I didn't think of that. (oh, and John Hall is now a congressman from upstate NY, there was a bit of a fuss when the McCain campaign tried to us his song "Still the One" for their theme song, without paying the license).

Gingko Biloba I think?

189 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:03:32pm

Another one:

So, you find one person on the right to defend you. Funny, a search for hanson shows you pretty much dropped VDH & any links to his essays like
a ton of bricks after BHO was elected.

190 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:03:47pm

re: #182 sagehen

re: #172 The Shadow Do

okay, now someone remind me which herb is supposed to help with my memory?).

ginko?

191 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:04:08pm

re: #173 Charles

The film about Charles Darwin, "Creation," has been picked up by a US distributor:

U.S. deal evolves for Darwin biopic Creation.

(That headline is Reuters' idea of humor, I think.)

Creationist seething in 5..4..3..2..1..

192 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:04:41pm

re: #184 Charles

Look out. They're pissed off again.

I sat in church for over 30 years.
And these days I'm as far away from a church pew as I can possibly get on Sundays, because of people like that.

193 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:05:31pm

re: #190 Conservative Moonbat

ginko?

I don't know what ginko is, but I suspects I needs to gets me some of that shit...

194 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:07:06pm

And another (this one is classic):

I just discovered that my LGF account is blocked, even though I have not made any comments, dinged anything down, registered at any anti-LGF
websites or done anything else that would get me banned. I live with earth2moonbat, and we share an IP address at the house, but blocking me is guilt by association, isn't it? I'm really disappointed in you, Charles.

That's from "Amy." Her pal, Earth2moonbat, melted down earlier with an obscenity-laced post full of insults. Gee -- why would I ban her account too? I guess I'm just that evil.

195 Ian MacGregor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:07:21pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

Yes the Constitution is the governing document of the land, however the Declaration shows the reason for the revolution. I think you entirely missed the point. Even if a constitutional amendment was passed singling out a group for eradication, the government would not have taken away the rights of those it killed, it would have violated those rights.

Rights exist in their own right.

196 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:07:22pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

OT: Hosam Maher Husein Smadi Arrested For Dallas Bomb Plot

Huffpo. Not Hot Air, Malkin, Crazy Pam, Spencer, Instapundit. Huffpo.
/Meh

It's weird how two of these just occurred recent, FBI seems to be doing a great job, or they are getting great leads from somewhere. (extremist website honeypots)

197 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:07:31pm

re: #166 Conservative Moonbat

That comes directly from Locke but I'm too buzzed at the moment to explain exactly how.
I wrote a paper on it once.

Yeah, that's right. For Locke it was life, liberty, and property ownership. :)

198 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:08:41pm

re: #193 The Shadow Do

I don't know what ginko is, but I suspects I needs to gets me some of that shit...

You probably knew once but forgot.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

199 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:09:22pm

re: #194 Charles

And another (this one is classic):

That's from "Amy." Her pal, Earth2moonbat, melted down earlier with an obscenity-laced post full of insults. Gee -- why would I ban her account too? I guess I'm just that evil.

What if you work at the same company as one of prima-donna exits? Sharing same internet-facing ip..

200 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:09:35pm

re: #160 Ian MacGregor

It's not so simple as that. Yes governments protect and deny rights, but there is also the idea of universal rights. Without such a concept how can one charge a country of violating human rights. A government may make genocide their policy. The millions who died in the extermination camps obviously lost their lives, but they do not lose their right to life.

The Declaration of Independence speaks to unalienable rights guaranteed not by government , but by "their Creator". Now whether one is a proponent of Natural law; i.e., God wrote the idea of such writes on mens hearts, or they come from societal evolution, rights exist no matter whether a government supports or is hostile to them.

In the opening of the vid, she said that rights do not come from G-d, but from people. I think that was an oversimplification --I hope anyway. While I use "G-d" as the definition for "not people" in this instance, I'm not sure it really matters what one considers as "G-d". I think it is an important distinction. People did not give rights, people cannot take them away.

Althought, thru the social contract, one can choose act freely in such a way that one's rights are curtailed --prison, etc.

201 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:10:04pm

re: #194 Charles

Funny how they've been totally gone from LGF for 2+ years and suddenly care.

202 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:11:12pm

re: #192 Irish Rose

I sat in church for over 30 years.
And these days I'm as far away from a church pew as I can possibly get on Sundays, because of people like that.

It's for people like that that you need to get there as many Sundays as you can ;)

203 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:11:23pm

re: #184 Charles

You need some professional help. You are obsessing on creationist and Glenn Beck. Think about taking Saturday and Sunday off and get a life again.

heh.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Psychological projection (or projection bias) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are ascribed to the outside world, like the weather, the government, a tool or another person or people. Projection is one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves.

204 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:11:48pm

re: #182 sagehen

re: #172 The Shadow Do

okay, now someone remind me which herb is supposed to help with my memory? I can't believe I didn't think of that. (oh, and John Hall is now a congressman from upstate NY, there was a bit of a fuss when the McCain campaign tried to us his song "Still the One" for their theme song, without paying the license).

ginko, but I think it was debunked.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:11:50pm

On another note, I see Zombie hasn't posted for over a week, but isn't blocked.
Anyone know what's up with the undead one?

206 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #202 cliffster

It's for people like that that you need to get there as many Sundays as you can ;)

No thanks, I'd rather go fishing.

207 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:12:46pm

re: #198 Conservative Moonbat

You probably knew once but forgot.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Forgot what?

208 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:13:04pm

re: #193 The Shadow Do

I don't know what ginko is, but I suspects I needs to gets me some of that shit...

Its a Hobbit methinks, Ginko Baggins, or possibly a boxer, brother of Rocky Balboa.

209 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:14:28pm

re: #207 The Shadow Do

Forgot what?

Hi! I'm cliffster! How are you tonight?

210 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:14:28pm

re: #202 cliffster

It's for people like that that you need to get there as many Sundays as you can ;)

someone once explained that we go to church for ourselves and shouldn't let other people interfere with our relationship with G-d. I totally agree, but still don't go to church.

211 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:14:33pm

re: #207 The Shadow Do

Forgot what?

Hi! I'm cliffster!

212 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #206 Irish Rose

No thanks, I'd rather go fishing.

I have theories about fishing. My Dad doesn't go to church, although he considers himself a Christian. He does however spend a lot of time fishing --he has survived 2 cancers and a major stroke in the last 5 years --he is 81.

Needless to say, I think G-d likes fishing.

213 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #209 cliffster

Hi! I'm cliffster! How are you tonight?

Cliff, is that you...

214 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:15:55pm

re: #211 cliffster

Hi! I'm cliffster!

Who is Cliff?

215 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:16:00pm

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

Has a real life in the meat world, that gets in the way of posting?
Maybe???

216 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:16:14pm

re: #214 The Shadow Do

Who is Cliff?

The guy from Cheers?

NORM!

217 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:16:14pm

re: #189 Charles

Another one:
Another one:

So, you find one person on the right to defend you. Funny, a search for hanson shows you pretty much dropped VDH & any links to his essays like
a ton of bricks after BHO was elected.

Heh.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Paranoid personality disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. (DSM-IV)

Those with paranoid personality disorder are hypersensitive, are easily slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions to validate their prejudicial ideas or biases. They tend to be guarded and suspicious and have quite constricted emotional lives. Their incapacity for meaningful emotional involvement and the general pattern of isolated withdrawal often lend a quality of schizoid isolation to their life experience

BTW, more seriously, read that last sentence. It captures a lot of internet weirdos. I'd bet quite a few of the haters are schizoid. For real.

218 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:16:48pm

I knew a guy named Cliffster once. I'm pretty sure of that...

219 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:17:33pm

re: #212 ggt

I have theories about fishing. My Dad doesn't go to church, although he considers himself a Christian. He does however spend a lot of time fishing --he has survived 2 cancers and a major stroke in the last 5 years --he is 81.

Needless to say, I think G-d likes fishing.

Yes, yes he does...

220 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:19:56pm

re: #219 The Shadow Do

Yes, yes he does...

I think so, too.

221 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:20:12pm

Anyone heard from realwest this week? He was really cool to me when my Dad had his last stroke.

222 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:20:14pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

Has a real life in the meat world, that gets in the way of posting?
Maybe???

Maybe. I hope we don't find it at another blog.

223 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:20:23pm

Night all.

Go fish.

224 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:20:37pm

re: #221 ggt

Anyone heard from realwest this week? He was really cool to me when my Dad had his last stroke.

See #10 and other messages in the previous thread.

225 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:21:21pm

re: #217 iceweasel

BTW, more seriously, read that last sentence. It captures a lot of internet weirdos. I'd bet quite a few of the haters are schizoid. For real.

Quite Concur.

226 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:21:36pm

re: #218 The Shadow Do

I knew a guy named Cliffster once. I'm pretty sure of that...

There's not a lot of us, but we're a wiry bunch.

227 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:21:58pm

Palestinian response to Netanyahu's speech

Another Hamas representative was cited by Israel Radio early Friday morning as rejecting references Netanyahu made to the Jewish people's claim to Israel, saying that "Palestine has never been Jewish land."

Saib Erekat, the Palestinian Authority's main negotiator with Israel, called Netanyahu's demand that the Palestinians recognize the Jewish state unacceptable.


"peace partners" my ass.

228 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:23:10pm

re: #217 iceweasel

Charles, please, that wasn't me. I promise I'll change my password and the other me won't be able to log in anymore.

229 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:23:56pm

re: #27 Cato the Elder

I am such a dirty old man, but damn, I'm in love...

Me too, dude. Me too.

The rest of her stuff is great, too. A friend found her website - the Holy Ghost one rocks:

Youtube Video


Her website is at: [Link: mycapturedlife.blogspot.com...]

230 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:24:06pm

re: #224 Kosh's Shadow

See #10 and other messages in the previous thread.

WOW! I'm stunned.

231 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:24:18pm

re: #196 Thanos

It's weird how two of these just occurred recent, FBI seems to be doing a great job, or they are getting great leads from somewhere. (extremist website honeypots)

Whatever it is they're doing, they need to keep it up. The Denver/NYC plot hits close to home for me because I have somebody important who lives in Astoria... A bomb plot against NYC subways is one of Those Things that I really fear, especially because it's such a terribly obvious target for the 'splodeys. (Not that my pet fear makes me unusual, I mean 8 million + people live in that city, but it's just something in particular that worries me.)

The Dallas plot, I have to say, sounds really fckin' stupid... Downtown Dallas shouldn't be on anybody's target list, it's such a sterile target. There's nothing there to blow up and you'd need a king-sized bomb to do any damage to those buildings. You'd have to be desperately dumb to think that anybody in the rest of the world would tremble before your terrorist might for blowing out a few windows at a bank tower in Dallas. An attack on Ft. Worth or Austin would have had ten times the psychological effect, especially here in TX.

I guess we should just be thankful that the Al Queda Academy continues to turn out ignorant, insensitive clods who get caught for dumb stuff like buying lots of peroxide at beauty shops instead of Wal-Mart (seriously, a guy with a Jihad Beard buying lots of Peroxide at a Sally's? Like nobody would notice?) or bragging about their plans on the internet. Stay dumb, fellas.

232 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:24:54pm

earth2moonbat posted the Iliad of all flounces too. 4 long rants in rapid succession- he planed that one out. Bastard- I thought he was dead.

233 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:25:09pm

re: #224 Kosh's Shadow

See #10 and other messages in the previous thread.

Well, that explains why he never replied to my email.

234 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:25:40pm

re: #227 Kosh's Shadow

If even recognizing the party you are negotiating with is 'unacceptable', then there is nothing to be negotiated. Until the Palis stop thinking this way, no real peace is possible.

And now I must go to bed. I have a meeting tomorrow morning and I need to rest. Keep up the good fight, all.

235 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:26:06pm

Dawkins on his latest book

Youtube Video
236 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:26:24pm

re: #232 Sharmuta

earth2moonbat posted the Iliad of all flounces too. 4 long rants in rapid succession- he planed that one out. Bastard- I thought he was dead.

Rotating title nomination, assuming it's not too long.

237 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:26:52pm

re: #230 ggt

WOW! I'm stunned.

Yeah, most of us were. Real, tfk, Erik, 3wood, and Kenneth (among others)...all gone.

Damn shame, but they brought it on themselves...

238 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:26:55pm

re: #227 Kosh's Shadow

Palestinian response to Netanyahu's speech


"peace partners" my ass.

I think there must be some disconnect in the translation of "peace" between hebrew and arabic.

239 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:27:43pm

re: #237 talon_262

Yeah, most of us were. Real, tfk, Erik, 3wood, and Kenneth (among others)...all gone.

Damn shame, but they brought it on themselves...

Did we ever near the name of the stalker blog?

240 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:28:11pm

re: #237 talon_262

Yeah, most of us were. Real, tfk, Erik, 3wood, and Kenneth (among others)...all gone.

Damn shame, but they brought it on themselves...

TFK is so not a loss. There was always something about him that made me really uncomfortable. I'm kinda sorry I missed that one, though. It must have been spectacular.

241 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:28:13pm

re: #238 ggt

I think there must be some disconnect in the translation of "peace" between hebrew and arabic.

Yes. To the Arabs, "peace" means submission to the will of Allah.
Kind of hard for that to work with a Jewish state.

Too bad that problem isn't recognized.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:28:36pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

TFK is so not a loss. There was always something about him that made me really uncomfortable. I'm kinda sorry I missed that one, though. It must have been spectacular.

And it was probably incomprehensible, too.

243 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:29:51pm

re: #231 Pawn of the Oppressor

Whatever it is they're doing, they need to keep it up. The Denver/NYC plot hits close to home for me because I have somebody important who lives in Astoria... A bomb plot against NYC subways is one of Those Things that I really fear, especially because it's such a terribly obvious target for the 'splodeys. (Not that my pet fear makes me unusual, I mean 8 million + people live in that city, but it's just something in particular that worries me.)

The Dallas plot, I have to say, sounds really fckin' stupid... Downtown Dallas shouldn't be on anybody's target list, it's such a sterile target. There's nothing there to blow up and you'd need a king-sized bomb to do any damage to those buildings. You'd have to be desperately dumb to think that anybody in the rest of the world would tremble before your terrorist might for blowing out a few windows at a bank tower in Dallas. An attack on Ft. Worth or Austin would have had ten times the psychological effect, especially here in TX.

I guess we should just be thankful that the Al Queda Academy continues to turn out ignorant, insensitive clods who get caught for dumb stuff like buying lots of peroxide at beauty shops instead of Wal-Mart (seriously, a guy with a Jihad Beard buying lots of Peroxide at a Sally's? Like nobody would notice?) or bragging about their plans on the internet. Stay dumb, fellas.

The Denver case is very much different than the two "lone wolf" sting scenarios (Chicago, Dallas), and much scarier. There you have them traveling to Afghanistan with help from pro terrorists who really know what they are doing.

244 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:30:15pm

re: #241 Kosh's Shadow

Yes. To the Arabs, "peace" means submission to the will of Allah.
Kind of hard for that to work with a Jewish state.

Too bad that problem isn't recognized.

Their sects particular version of the "will of Allah".

I heard the Ambassador Faud say pretty much that on a C-SPAN airing of something a while back. Have to give him credit tho, at the beginning of his speech he basically said "remember, ambassadors are paid to lie".

245 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:30:15pm

Goodnight lizards

I should have signed of an hour ago

246 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:30:42pm

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

And it was probably incomprehensible, too.

Likely. What little I could make out though, sounded like it came from mommy's basement and was followed by something about lotion and the hose.

247 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:30:50pm

re: #232 Sharmuta

earth2moonbat posted the Iliad of all flounces too. 4 long rants in rapid succession- he planed that one out. Bastard- I thought he was dead.

No only planned it out, he obviously had written it all out beforehand too. And posted on a LNDT/early am thread, in hopes that it would stay up as long as possible.

Probably alerted his buds in the Village of the Banned that it was about to go up, I'd guess. Really strange behaviour.

Youtube Video
248 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:31:31pm

I posted in the spin-offs to this thread the amicus brief filed by Michael Yon and others relating to Afghanistan. I don't understand enough of it yet to better explain. It's worth perusing.

249 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:31:39pm

Nothing like senselessly burning bridges that took years to build.

250 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:33:11pm

re: #247 iceweasel

No only planned it out, he obviously had written it all out beforehand too. And posted on a LNDT/early am thread, in hopes that it would stay up as long as possible.

Probably alerted his buds in the Village of the Banned that it was about to go up, I'd guess. Really strange behaviour.

He wasn't counting on a Monitor Lizard zapping his hard work so quickly. That was awesome, and to the Monitor who whacked those comments- Bravo!

251 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:33:13pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

TFK is so not a loss. There was always something about him that made me really uncomfortable. I'm kinda sorry I missed that one, though. It must have been spectacular.

Heh.

Poor tfk- not.
weird haiku. Kerry isn't
POTUS. Never was.

252 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:33:24pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

TFK is so not a loss. There was always something about him that made me really uncomfortable. I'm kinda sorry I missed that one, though. It must have been spectacular.

They didn't flounce (that I'm aware of)...Charles got a hot tip about some "planned" flounces, went to the new stalker site and found them over there, so he preemptively gave them the stick because they betrayed his trust.

/someone correct me if I'm wrong...

253 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:33:44pm

re: #246 ~Fianna

Hey fianna...

re: #247 iceweasel

And the song for them is more...

Youtube Video
254 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:34:17pm

Charles, I have to ask. Are all the de-linkings and bannings affecting your bottom line? (affect or effect?)

Anyway, do you make enough off the Amazon links to warrent me posting the Book Category to the Spin-off Links Public Service Annoucement daily? It's a lot of typing so I don't want to do it if it isn't worth it to you.

255 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:34:28pm

Gahhh delete that video not what I thought it was.

256 Gus  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:34:43pm

re: #251 iceweasel

Heh.

Poor tfk- not.
weird haiku. Kerry isn't
POTUS. Never was.

John F. Kerry

Igloo White.

//Air America 1968.

/

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:35:12pm

re: #253 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey fianna...

re: #247 iceweasel

And the song for them is more...


Seriously not the video I thought it would be.

258 freetoken  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:36:11pm

re: #247 iceweasel

Probably alerted his buds in the Village of the Banned that it was about to go up, I'd guess.

Indeed, it became a featured post over there.

259 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:36:24pm

re: #180 Charles

Unfortunately, that Darwin film is from Mel Gibson's production company, but it doesn't look like Mel got his filthy hands into it.

I take it you don't like Mel.

260 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:37:01pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

TFK is so not a loss. There was always something about him that made me really uncomfortable. I'm kinda sorry I missed that one, though. It must have been spectacular.

TFK just gummed up the threads with his passive-aggressive spam.

JWF was a hardcore spammer, he really polluted the Linkviewer with his inane ramblings.

No tears over that lot.



[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

261 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:37:21pm

re: #257 LudwigVanQuixote

Eeek!

262 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:37:41pm

re: #251 iceweasel

Heh.

Poor tfk- not.
weird haiku. Kerry isn't
POTUS. Never was.

*rofl*

The state of things is making me really sad. I've lost a close friend over it and am now dreading going to a wedding that I had been looking forward to.

The weekend of Oct 10th should be interesting. My best friend has a uncle who's a hardcore Zionist... me... and a little brother who's used to be a skinhead, but has "evolved" in to a plain old Christian Identity white supremacist.

Did I mention the groom is half-Jewish.

It should be an interesting event.

263 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:38:57pm

re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote

Gahhh delete that video not what I thought it was.

Wow, that was odd. You Tube is a weird ass place sometimes.

264 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:38:58pm

re: #259 Irish Rose

I take it you don't like Mel.

Probably because Mel's a rabid paleo-Catholic with anti-Semitic tendencies.

/could have something to do with it...

265 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:39:12pm

re: #262 ~Fianna

*rofl*

The state of things is making me really sad. I've lost a close friend over it and am now dreading going to a wedding that I had been looking forward to.

The weekend of Oct 10th should be interesting. My best friend has a uncle who's a hardcore Zionist... me... and a little brother who's used to be a skinhead, but has "evolved" in to a plain old Christian Identity white supremacist.

Did I mention the groom is half-Jewish.

It should be an interesting event.

Concentrate on the happy couple and grit your teeth. :)

266 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:39:27pm

re: #261 Bagua

Eeek!

Got a little rick rolled there

267 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #263 ~Fianna

Wow, that was odd. You Tube is a weird ass place sometimes.

yeah no shit

It had the album cover on the icon

268 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:40:14pm

re: #264 talon_262

Probably because Mel's a rabid paleo-Catholic with anti-Semitic tendencies.

/could have something to do with it...

Why would you say that? He has an alcohol problem. Have some humanity! //

269 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:40:28pm

re: #264 talon_262

Probably because Mel's a rabid paleo-Catholic with anti-Semitic tendencies.

/could have something to do with it...

I didn't realize that that strain of Catholicism existed until Gibson and Jindal had their breakout moments of freakery.

270 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:41:21pm

re: #269 ~Fianna

I didn't realize that that strain of Catholicism existed until Gibson and Jindal had their breakout moments of freakery.

Lot's of strains, just like any religion.

271 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:43:58pm

I've been a little busy where I usually read LGF lately, (nice to actually have a lot to do work) so I haven't had time to keep up with the evolution of the stalker blogs. What is the "Village of the Banned?"

272 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:44:48pm

Salamantis and his dinger on the prowl. Sup, Sal?

273 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:21pm

re: #265 ggt

Concentrate on the happy couple and grit your teeth. :)

I'm less worried about the brother - who used to be a cute kid, and for whom I will always bear some guilt. I think if we'd been more inclusive of him and didn't always treat him as C***'s stupid little brother he might have gone a different way. That movement works like a gang - they find the lost kids and make them feel at home and give them someone to blame for their problems.

I don't take whole guilt for it because I didn't have the best teenage years (nor do a lot of people) and they don't wind up as skinheads. But still... *sigh* I remember when he was a dorky kid who thought SHARPs were really cool and before he got all boots-n-braces.

It's his baby-momma that makes me uncomfortable. Her giant double lightning bolt tattoo is hard to hide and she's got a big mouth.

//Funny how the people whining so much about brown folks taking their tax dollars are often the ones collecting gubmint money of their own.

274 freetoken  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:23pm

re: #271 CyanSnowHawk

What is the "Village of the Banned?"

I prefer the term "Blog of the Damned". It is where banned former lizards tend to congregate.

275 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:34pm

re: #245 Kosh's Shadow

Goodnight lizards

I should have signed of an hour ago

Yes time for me to get some sleeps as well

Weezer

Youtube Video
276 badger1970  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:38pm

re: #186 rwmofo

"Any celebrities ever run on a "D" ticket?"

Cooter (D) from The Dukes of Hazzard was a US Representative from Georgia.

"The Killer Shrews" should have disqualified him from even showing his face in public. /

277 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:44pm

re: #258 freetoken

Indeed, it became a featured post over there.

Something that premeditated could only be for the purpose of amusing the freak show contestants.

278 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:45:58pm

re: #272 cliffster

Salamantis and his dinger on the prowl. Sup, Sal?

Just updinging comments with which I agree - and there are quite a few of them on this thread.

279 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:46:22pm

I have GOT to get my ends trimmed, before we film the next video!
///
I looked like that, once upon a time...

280 BignJames  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:47:00pm

re: #270 ggt

Lot's of strains, just like any religion.


Yeah, like mine...Lapsed Baptist Heathen...we drink!

281 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:47:24pm

I've decided I need a larger iPod I can't get everything I want on it anymore.

282 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:47:36pm

re: #274 freetoken

I prefer the term "Blog of the Damned". It is where banned former lizards tend to congregate.

So any of the stalker blogs then? I thought it referred to one in particular.

283 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:47:57pm

re: #275 Thanos

Yes time for me to get some sleeps as well

Weezer

I saw them live at Cochella a few years ago and they kicked ass.

(That was the year that Bauhaus played, so I was there with all my ubergoth friends and I made them go.)

284 Salamantis  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:48:37pm

re: #270 ggt

Lot's of strains, just like any religion.

I'm an Eclectic Pagan; every single one of us is their own different strain...;~)

285 Bagua  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:49:18pm

re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote

yeah no shit

It had the album cover on the icon

Erm, about that data set you was on about...

286 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:49:29pm

re: #65 The Shadow Do

Why the Morman bashing?

Because who wants to bash Mormaids! They're sweet.

287 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:49:47pm

re: #284 Salamantis

I'm an Eclectic Pagan; every single one of us is their own different strain...;~)

*grin* One from Column A, two from Column B and a long argument about how it "used to be done".

I work solitary.

288 SFGoth  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:51:34pm

I'll take smart, nerdy-but-cute Eastern European chicks for 1,000 Chuck.

289 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:52:02pm

Meds are kicking in, goodnight lizards.

290 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:54:22pm

I think there is a problem with my iPod, I'm now restoring factory settings.

291 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:55:04pm

re: #288 SFGoth

I'll take smart, nerdy-but-cute Eastern European chicks for 1,000 Chuck.

Here here! Nerdy-but-cute chicks (of just about any ethnicity) seem to underestimate their own cuteness...

292 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:55:35pm

re: #289 Irish Rose

Meds are kicking in, goodnight lizards.


Feel better.
Wish I had something to counter that decongestant, which has me wired up.
Calling in sick tomorrow.

293 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:56:15pm

Hey I think it worked!

294 cliffster  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:58:58pm

Not quite 1am here. I'm off to bed before that demon 1am gets here. I'll be ok as long as I can beat him/her. Night all

295 badger1970  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:04:25pm

re: #292 VioletTiger

Day-quil, Monster and spicy nachos not a good decongestant make. I am now wired, loopy and heartburn at the same time.

296 SFGoth  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:09:40pm

re: #291 Fenway_Nation

Here here! Nerdy-but-cute chicks (of just about any ethnicity) seem to underestimate their own cuteness...

Yeah, but the East Euros have that sultry look that I really like, plus they have lips, which is important to me (because I have them too). Ahhh, the days when I was dating that Bulgarian girl. How cool is it when you fly to Leipzig, Germany for a music festival, meet a Bulgarian girl who's fluent in English, and you end up speaking Japanese to each other on the tram around town?

297 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:14:09pm

re: #274 freetoken

I prefer the term "Blog of the Damned". It is where banned former lizards tend to congregate.

Love it BTW. Sorry, iDub.

298 freetoken  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:16:41pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

I believe IW came up with that phrase.

299 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:22:19pm

weet dreams all!

300 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:27:45pm

re: #296 SFGoth

A little different than my encounter with an Argentine er...'travelling companion'. Not a nerd per-se, rather She had the looks of a model, but carried herself like a timid wallflower and would dress conservatively in overalls and a sweater or something along those lines...

301 SFGoth  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:31:17pm

re: #300 Fenway_Nation

A little different than my encounter with an Argentine er...'travelling companion'. Not a nerd per-se, rather She had the looks of a model, but carried herself like a timid wallflower and would dress conservatively in overalls and a sweater or something along those lines...

I actually quite prefer the nerdy-cute look to the model look. Such is life.

302 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:48:04pm

re: #8 Conservative Moonbat

Weren't they going to try and distribute 5000 copies around California in one day or some ridiculous bullshit like that?

Who reads the introductions to new editions of classical texts anyway?

The fact of the matter is that very few people are going to read OoS on their own if it's not assigned in a class. They are going to read Stephen Jay Gould or a more modern biologist explaining Darwin. If they do read it for a class, it won't be this version assigned and if they get to pick their own text they won't be assigned to read the introduction.

Actually, I read the introductions to pretty much everything.

But as to why they're doing this: it sprinkles a published work around the world which they can then cite in the future. Like Noam Chomsky, they're creating their own reference chain to take the place of the nothingness that currently backs them up.

I'd also have concerns over the state of the text itself. I have a strong suspicion it's been, shall we say, modified in this edition, once again with an eye toward future citation in mind.

303 scullybum  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 3:01:29am

re: #194 Charles

Seems harsh of you Charles, imho, but I don't have all the info on possible sock-puppets. I visit LGF quite a bit without logging in and rarely view the comments. I've only logged in to get a better understanding of this kerfuffle, brew-haha, hub bub, what have you.

I might have given "Amy" a chance to denounce her "IP Buddy" but I suspect your time is at a premium these days.

304 Mr Secul  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 4:14:03am

re: #302 SixDegrees

I'd also have concerns over the state of the text itself. I have a strong suspicion it's been, shall we say, modified in this edition, once again with an eye toward future citation in mind.

Normal creationist practice is to quote mine Darwin's arguments.

For example this is taken directly from his book:

To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.

Of course the book continues...

Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound.

Now imagine if people had a copy of the Origin without the continuations...

I don't know if Cameron is going to do this.

On one hand it sounds like something that Cameron would think was a smart thing to do. On the other hand... um :-)

Still I'm not worried about this. If he does something like that then it will soon become public knowledge. If people go out on the web and produce quotes from Kirk's book then people will immediately ask them for their source (this will happen even if their source was creationist websites). People could then explain about creationist quote mining and use Kirk's book as THE prime example.

Kirk is at a disadvantage because he is wrong.

The more he draws attention to the evidence for evolution and the more stunts he pulls, the more people will have a chance to show others that he is wrong. Kirk does evolutionary theory a service because he shows how stupid and dishonest creationism is.

Some Creationists have already learned this lesson; they have stopped posting here because there are too many people who can answer their talking points and they realize that all they have achieved is to educate the readers of this blog. An education in evolutionary theory and its evidence does NOT favor people towards creationism. And giving a full airing of creationist ideas shows others how empty and ludicrous they are.

Their best hope is to sabotage science education and rely on people's apathy to keep them in the dark on evolutionary theory.

They have learned the lesson from War Games, "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"

305 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 4:25:55am

re: #3 Charles

Sounds Russian or East European to me.

Her country of location in her You Tube profile says Romania, so it's probably a Romanian accent.

306 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 4:29:43am

D'uh for having the "match case" still on while searching for "romanian" in this thread...

307 Liberal Classic  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 4:59:12am

ZOMG I'm in love w/ Criss.

308 spoosmith  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 5:57:53am

It kills me when creationists bring up the "Darwinism is responsible for X" arguement. That may be true (it's false) but in no way proves the theory wrong.

309 daddycrack  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 6:09:08am

While agree with her sentiment and have no agreement with Mike from Growing Pains, some of her examples and anologies are stretches. And she is annoying.

My main beef concerns her section on opening the constitution to read what liberties you are given. While I understand that this is where they are guaranteed, the founders wrote that these (paraphrasing) unalienable rights were endowed to us by our creator in the Declaration of Independence.

Granted that they are enumerated in the constitution, but it is clear that they were trying to show that our liberties should not be infringed by the government. This is true whether you agree that Jefferson was a christian or a deist; whether or not you believe that Jefferson was trying to win favor with Christians within the continental congress or not. I don't care either way on that point, just that liberty extended from that sentiment.

310 SDC  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 6:41:47am

re: #36 BignJames

Ok...someone help me out with the banana reference.

Ray Comfort is the same half-wit who claimed that the banana is "proof of intelligent design", because "it is shaped to fit the hand, has a handy pull-tab to open it, has 5 sides to allow comfortable holding, changes colors to show when it's ripe, etc., etc." What he didn't bother to find out is that the modern bananas we eat have been CULTIVATED to have these characteristics, and that natural bananas are about as far from what we buy at the supermarket as an F1 racer is from a horse-drawn wagon.

311 gojeepgo  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 6:48:58am

The one and only issue I have with her rebuttals is her assertion that liberties come from other people. They can be recognized by other people, but not granted. We are endowed by our creator with our liberties, whether you believe our creator is God or nature. The only thing other people can do to our liberties is limit or deny them.

312 Green Helmet Guy  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:23:57am

shes from Romania. See here

___
I'm also zomgitscriss on twitter
[Link: twitter.com...]
___
Romanian blog : [Link: www.badblogger.org...]

Why so serious ?
Name: Cristina
Country: Romania
Website: [Link: mycapturedlife.blogspot.com...]

313 Danny  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:39:08am

re: #81 Cato the Elder

sssnake

Finally got around to watching this. Her tags had me laughing out loud.

314 gregb  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:51:10am

@1:01 That's funny. The Constitution says inalienable rights that cannot be transferred to another nor surrendered except by the person possessing them. The founders believed these were given by God as so that no other man could take them away.

Maybe she should read the Constitution?

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 8:04:17am

re: #251 iceweasel

Heh.

Poor tfk- not.
weird haiku. Kerry isn't
POTUS. Never was.

Oddly, I shall sort of miss him. On the rare occasions when we could connect, he was interesting. The Kerry obsession bothered me, but honestly, less than people complaining about Pelosi's plastic surgery.

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 8:07:57am

re: #269 ~Fianna

I didn't realize that that strain of Catholicism existed until Gibson and Jindal had their breakout moments of freakery.

It's a weird thing. My father is on a Catholic blog that tends to the very right-wing, and we've learned a little about those groups.

Lots of them are converts, rather than cradle Catholics, and they have a very odd set of agendas. Not good for the Church, in my humble and Jewish opinion.

317 Land Shark  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 8:52:28am

What? Britney Spears and/or Lindsay Lohan weren't available for commentary?

///

318 spudly  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:05:51am

Great vid.

Daddycrack does have a point, she slips up in claiming that rights (Natural Rights) are positively granted by man. They whole point of a Natural Right is that you have them by virtue of existence, and the Constitution protects the people precisely from MAN taking the Rights away.

I don't think they were granted by anyone, clearly.

The rest was gold. :)

319 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 10:07:32am

re: #314 gregb

@1:01 That's funny. The Constitution says inalienable rights that cannot be transferred to another nor surrendered except by the person possessing them. The founders believed these were given by God as so that no other man could take them away.

Maybe she should read the Constitution?

Please cite the section of the US Constitution that uses the word "God" in relation to human rights.

Hint: you won't be able to. The US Constitution does not mention God at all.

320 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 11:46:41am

OK, I finally got around to watching this video - the computer at work has issues with anything that moves and talks at the same time - and I am cracking up. I am seriously crushing on this chick. Great job!

321 spudly  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 12:29:13pm

gregb doesn't claim the Constitution mentions god. He claims that the founders believed that Natural Rights were granted by god. This is true in the case of many, if not most of the Founders (even if "their Creator" (which is in the Declaration, not the Constitution) was merely a rhetorical flourish by Jefferson, and didn't mean what the religious would call THE Creator).

The chick in the vid was wrong about the rights being granted by man when in fact they were granted by nature/existence (or by god if you are so inclined), though as I said, the rest rocked :)

322 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #321 spudly

gregb doesn't claim the Constitution mentions god. He claims that the founders believed that Natural Rights were granted by god. This is true in the case of many, if not most of the Founders (even if "their Creator" (which is in the Declaration, not the Constitution) was merely a rhetorical flourish by Jefferson, and didn't mean what the religious would call THE Creator).

The chick in the vid was wrong about the rights being granted by man when in fact they were granted by nature/existence (or by god if you are so inclined), though as I said, the rest rocked :)

If you really believe your rights are granted by "nature," try spending a few weeks in an Amazonian rain forest, then come back and let me know how well your rights were respected by nature.

Human beings grant "human rights." Human beings enforce "human rights." The concept is a human concept, and it has no analog whatsoever in nature.

If you wish to believe your rights are granted to you by God, that's your choice -- but it's a belief, not a fact.

323 gregb  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 1:54:20pm

re: #319 Charles

Please cite the section of the US Constitution that uses the word "God" in relation to human rights.

Hint: you won't be able to. The US Constitution does not mention God at all.

Fair enough. Obviously I can't.

It enumerates the rights that the government can't take away, but makes no statements as to where those rights come from--a philosophical foundation for why the wrote it in the first place.

324 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 2:53:27pm

I posted this on FB last night, when the hit count for this vid was at 340k or something.

This morning when I checked in, four FB friends had reposted it, and her hits were over 500k.

Now they're approaching 560k.

This girl's gone viral.

325 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 3:13:18pm

re: #321 spudly

gregb doesn't claim the Constitution mentions god. He claims that the founders believed that Natural Rights were granted by god. This is true in the case of many, if not most of the Founders (even if "their Creator" (which is in the Declaration, not the Constitution) was merely a rhetorical flourish by Jefferson, and didn't mean what the religious would call THE Creator).

The chick in the vid was wrong about the rights being granted by man when in fact they were granted by nature/existence (or by god if you are so inclined), though as I said, the rest rocked :)

"Ah yes, [life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness]... Life? What 'right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What 'right' to life has a man who must die to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of 'right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is 'unalienable'? And is it 'right'? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost. The third 'right'?—the 'pursuit of happiness'? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can 'pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives—but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it."

- Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers, p. 119

326 spudly  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:45:02pm

re: #322 Charles

re: #322 Charles

If you really believe your rights are granted by "nature," try spending a few weeks in an Amazonian rain forest, then come back and let me know how well your rights were respected by nature.

Human beings grant "human rights." Human beings enforce "human rights." The concept is a human concept, and it has no analog whatsoever in nature.

If you wish to believe your rights are granted to you by God, that's your choice -- but it's a belief, not a fact.

You miss the point.

There are positively enumerated rights, and rights that people have by virtue of existence. The latter are called "Natural Rights." It is a concept that dates back to a slightly different semantics. It is not meant to assume that critters in the forest, or Autralopithecus aferensis had some legal system. It is a synonym for "inalienable." You have, for example, the right to a personality—no one can take that away, it is a "natural right." The default human condition—sans other humans imposing something else—is liberty.

This is not the least bit controversial an idea, though some have argued that only the strong can exercise most natural (also called inalienable) rights.

I am an atheist, so I don't imagine my natural rights are granted by anyone—positively enumerated rights are a different matter. Saying they are granted "by nature" is something that, say, Jefferson might have written. I would personally say I have them by virtue of existence.

327 spudly  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:46:10pm

afarensis. Should be with an "a." Doh. Noticed that after I submitted :)

328 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 7:47:43pm

re: #326 spudly

I am an atheist, so I don't imagine my natural rights are granted by anyone—positively enumerated rights are a different matter. Saying they are granted "by nature" is something that, say, Jefferson might have written. I would personally say I have them by virtue of existence.

But that's not true at all. By virtue of existence, you have no rights at all.

The only rights you have are those granted by other human beings. And there are many points in history at which human beings have gratuitously taken away those rights -- often causing the deaths of millions.

329 RexMundi  Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:06:16pm

I've always loved ZOMGitsCriss' youtube vids. Smart, poignant, beautiful, exotic.

330 vitaly  Sat, Sep 26, 2009 7:05:09am

just for the record: there is no such thing as a "DNA centrifuge".

331 gregb  Sat, Sep 26, 2009 8:09:07am

I know this thread's ended, but I think it's an interesting discussion.

In those situations with millions of deaths or amazonian ranin forests, haven't they taken away the essence of what it means to be a man (human)? I'm guessing that without those things you've taken away the human spirit which is what separates us from other species.

Most of my atheist friends use the term "god" to represent human catechisms practiced in certain religions. The don't see the point in them, but that view can be shared by non-atheists too.

Some of my friends are into the religion of science. (Try explaining theoretical computer science to dogmatic high school science teachers who think they know everything.) The scientific method is just a specialized set of logic. All great scientists of the 20th century including atheists believed in fundamental truths outside of the scientific methods and logic. The often just called that God, God principle, God rolls dice, God particles, etc.

One of the great proofs of the past 100 years was Goedel's incompleteness theorem. If you don't recognize Goedel, i.e. some fundamental truths that will always be outside of any consistent set of scientific principles or logic, then you believe in an inconsistent science, which in all practicality, means anything can be proven.

Consistency and completeness, never the two shall meet.

332 freetoken  Sun, Sep 27, 2009 3:43:17am
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