There’s a good working relationship between the police and the FBI.

That's newsworth in and of itself.

Way to go, LE.

Doofus of the Day.

There is no secrecy on the internet.

Hosam Maher Husein Smadi was arrested Thursday after he parked a vehicle laden with government-supplied fake explosives in the underground parking garage of Fountain Place, a 60-story tower in the 1400 block of Ross Avenue at North Field Street, authorities said.

Just think what would have happened if he had found the real McCoy. There'd be a lot of dead people in Dallas today.

This is interesting. I wonder why the jihadists seem to be getting more active now... hmmm.

Congrats to the FBI and the Dallas Police for their fine work. We can't let our guard down for a minute.

So I wonder which pro-jihadi attorney is going to rush in to the perp's defense?

As we say in the Navy, Bravo Zulu to Dallas PD and the FBI!

re: #5 Truck Monkey

This is interesting. I wonder why the jihadists seem to be getting more active now... hmmm.

How many have cropped up lately?

re: #6 Mich-again

Congrats to the FBI and the Dallas Police for their fine work. We can't let our guard down for a minute.

So I wonder which pro-jihadi attorney is going to rush in to the perp's defense?

I'm just waiting for Hoopie-the-shit-slinging monkey to pop up and claim this was entrapment.

Smadi lived and worked in Italy, about 45 miles south of Dallas.

Wow. Texas is even bigger than I thought.

re: #10 Alouette

Wow. Texas is even bigger than I thought.

The sun is ris, the sun is set, and I ain't out of Texas yet.

This seems appropriate.

re: #9 MandyManners

I'm just waiting for Hoopie-the-shit-slinging monkey to pop up and claim this was entrapment.

Profiler!

re: #10 Alouette

Wow. Texas is even bigger than I thought.

Texas also has Paris.

Wow, good news they stopped this jerkoff.

To think, one of the reasons I really want to move to Dallas from LA is that it's "less obvious". I guess I'm wrong?

Phew!

Hats off to all the law enforcement agencies who keep an eye of the fetid underbelly of the jihadi 'culture'. These same agencies are under Eric Holders microscope as objects of scrutiny. If the current atmosphere continues I see very bad things coming.

re: #4 MandyManners

Unfortunately, there will be those who will claim he was "set up" by the FBI and that the monitoring of radical jihadist web sites is some how illegal.

/cair to guess who?

There was another one in Illinois yesterday.

Over the two years that authorities tracked Michael C. Finton, accused Thursday of trying to bomb Springfield’s federal courthouse, they gave Finton plenty of chances to drop the idea.

According to a 25-page affidavit filed in support of the charges against Finton, however, he would not be deterred.

Authorities say Finton tried Wednesday to ignite what he thought was a huge quantity of explosives contained in a van parked near Sixth and Monroe streets. Finton allegedly expected the resulting blast to kill everyone in the Paul Findley Federal Building, plus “take out” an office of U.S. Rep. Aaron Schock across the intersection.

As it turned out, however, law enforcement authorities had been aware of Finton’s plans for more than two years, the affidavit said. As a result, a man Finton allegedly thought was a low-level operative of the al-Qaida terror network was actually an undercover FBI special agent, and there were no explosives in the van.

Instead of the van blowing up when Finton dialed a cell phone number, agents swooped in to arrest him.

On Thursday, Finton, who authorities said also used the name “Talib Islam,” was brought before a federal judge in the same building he allegedly had targeted.

re: #13 rwdflynavy

Profiler!

In the words of Rich Ward in No. 12, "my profile is crazy".

I speak peace when peace is spoken, But I speak war when your hate is provoking, The season is open 24-7-365, Man up yo time to ride, No need to hide behind slogans of deceit, Claiming that you're a religion of peace, We just don't believe you, We can clearly see through, The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad the cry of your unholy war, Using the willing, the weak and poor, From birth drowning in propaganda, rhetoric and slander, All we can say is damn ya

My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season

I don't need a faith that's blind, Where death and hate bring me peace of mind, With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century, So much sand in your eyes to blind to see, The venom that you leaders preach, Is the path to your own destruction, Your own demise, You might say that I don't understand but your disgust for me is what I realize, Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching, Whole world scoping, So if you bring it to my home base, Best believe it, The season's open

I see you, Hell yeah I see you, Motherfucker naw, I don't wanna be you, If you come to my place, I'll drop more than just some bass, Yo you'll get a taste of a, Sick motherfucker from the Dirty, I ain't worrying not a fucking bit, I'm telescoping like Hubble, Yo you in trouble, Yo on the double, I'm wild with mine, Bring that style with mine, Fuck with my family I'll end your life, Just the way it is, Just the way it be, Do you understand? No matter if you're woman or man, or child, My profile is crazy, That shit you do doesn't amaze me, I'm ready to blaze thee

I don't give a damn what god you claim, I've seen the innocent that you've slain, On my streets you're just fair game, Like a pig walk to your slaughter, The heat here is so much hotter, And my views won't teeter totter or fluctuate, Step to me you just met your fate, And I'll annihilate, With the skill of a Shogun assassin, Slicing and dicing precise with a passion, In any shape form or fashion, Bring it to my home, Welcome to the danger zone, Cause your attitude's the reason, The triggers keep squeezing, The hunt is on and it's open season

It's Open Season

re: #8 MandyManners

How many have cropped up lately?

Spirngfield IL and Dallas TX just overnight. NYC/Denver ongoing. The latter being more serious. It is not known for sure exactly how many actors are involved in the NYC plot but it seems like they haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet.

"carry put" should probably be "carry out."

The arrest was part of an FBI sting operation that began after an agent monitoring an online extremist Web site discovered Smadi espousing jihad against the U.S. more than six months ago.

These are the people fighting jihad online. They are not to be confused with egomaniac bloggers who shall remain nameless.

re: #15 TheMatrix31

Wow, good news they stopped this jerkoff.

To think, one of the reasons I really want to move to Dallas from LA is that it's "less obvious". I guess I'm wrong?

Phew!

My fear is that targets in the Fly-Over states would have devestating affects on the collective psyche. I wouldn't be surprised if a nuke in a container ship blew up in Memphis or St. Louis.

So, recounting this week's war on terror contingency operations:
Dallas
Queens
Illinois
North Carolina

Well, I certainly feel safer.

///

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Unfortunately, there will be those who will claim he was "set up" by the FBI and that the monitoring of radical jihadist web sites is some how illegal.

/cair to guess who?

Ya' got me beat. Hmmm...!

Typo in the description: "to carry put out his plot"?

re: #14 MandyManners

Texas also has Paris.

Palestine, too.

re: #18 NJDhockeyfan

There was another one in Illinois yesterday.

Hey, I dated a Michael Finton in Denver but, he was Irish.

Seriously, I wonder how long his attorney will move for a change of venue on the grounds that he won't be able to get a fair trial in that building.

re: #22 Sharmuta

These are the people fighting jihad online. They are not to be confused with egomaniac bloggers who shall remain nameless.

I'm just feeling better knowing that the Good Guys (tm) are fighting jihad online. The interwebs are, by their very nature, the perfect place to hatch such dangerous plots, and I'm glad we have our own techno-gurus keeping an eye on them. Making the world safer, one tube at a time.

OT: Will the Republicans actually stick with this plan?

Senate Republican leaders are threatening to block the nominations of President Barack Obama’s health nominees until the Health and Human Services Department drops its “gag order” on private health care companies that prevents them from communicating with senior citizens about the health care reform bill.

HHS told Humana Inc. and other health care companies that contract with Medicare to stop sending information to seniors about how the measure might affect their Medicare benefits - this after Humana Inc. sent a mailer to seniors saying the health care bill could cut their benefits.

re: #20 Truck Monkey

Spirngfield IL and Dallas TX just overnight. NYC/Denver ongoing. The latter being more serious. It is not known for sure exactly how many actors are involved in the NYC plot but it seems like they haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

The Illinois jihadist has a MySpace page.

re: #22 Sharmuta

These are the people fighting jihad online. They are not to be confused with egomaniac bloggers who shall remain nameless.

ZING!

re: #24 lawrior

So, recounting this week's war on terror contingency operations:
Dallas
Queens
Illinois
North Carolina

Well, I certainly feel safer.

///

I'm not surprised. With an antiwar congress and a pacifist, waffling president, if I were Al Qaeda, I'd be trying to rackup body counts in Afghanistan and going on the offensive in the US.

re: #27 Alouette

Palestine, too.

That's the only real one that I know of.

re: #24 lawrior

So, recounting this week's war on terror contingency operations:
Dallas
Queens
Illinois
North Carolina

Well, I certainly feel safer.

///

I've been swamped this week but I'd heard of the Denver and New York stuff. I need to pay more attention.

Okay guys, gonna go to bed. Take it easy.

Mandy, stay healthy and I hope the kiddo gets better!

re: #37 TheMatrix31

Okay guys, gonna go to bed. Take it easy.

Mandy, stay healthy and I hope the kiddo gets better!

Thank you and sweetest dreams, Matrix.

Authorities said that Smadi was under continuous FBI surveillance. Federal agents posed as members of an al-Qa’ida sleeper cell. Smadi, who was in the U.S. illegally, allegedly told them that he came to the country specifically to commit “Jihad for the sake of God.”

Isn't that lovely.

How is the FBI doing it? Do they have informants in the jihad community? Do they have the Internet shot through with software that alerts them when certain words are used on jihadi sites? All sites? If I were to type, "Can someone get me some Semtex?" here, would the FBI find it?

This must piss off those who opposed the Patriot Act.

re: #39 NJDhockeyfan

Isn't that lovely.

It rhymes.

re: #34 ointmentfly

I'm not surprised. With an antiwar congress and a pacifist, waffling president, if I were Al Qaeda, I'd be trying to rackup body counts in Afghanistan and going on the offensive in the US.

As opposed to not trying to do so when Bush was president?

re: #40 MandyManners

I opposed the Patriot Act. I still do. This story however, makes me smile. Looks like some great police work was done here. Kudos to all those involved.

re: #43 McSpiff

I opposed the Patriot Act. I still do. This story however, makes me smile. Looks like some great police work was done here. Kudos to all those involved.

It's hard to argue with what works.

re: #40 MandyManners

How is the FBI doing it? Do they have informants in the jihad community? Do they have the Internet shot through with software that alerts them when certain words are used on jihadi sites? All sites? If I were to type, "Can someone get me some Semtex?" here, would the FBI find it?

This must piss off those who opposed the Patriot Act.

Of course, a lot of the methodology is unknown because we don't want the bad guys to find out. If I had to guess, I'd bet a lot of the monitoring is done by undercover agents. No one really knows the monitoring capabilities of the U.S. Government, though a lot of conspiracy nuts like to guess.

re: #45 thedopefishlives

Of course, a lot of the methodology is unknown because we don't want the bad guys to find out. If I had to guess, I'd bet a lot of the monitoring is done by undercover agents. No one really knows the monitoring capabilities of the U.S. Government, though a lot of conspiracy nuts like to guess.

They're everywhere, man. Everywhere.

I have to wonder if it is just a coincidence that Dallas was the location of the Holy Land Foundation trial.

I remember left was always screaming that Bush/Cheney set up terrorists when they were caught to increase the Bush administration poll numbers. What will they say now?

re: #47 Mich-again

I have to wonder if it is just a coincidence that Dallas was the location of the Holy Land Foundation trial.

Ahhh. Good point.

What about Springfield? Isn't that where BHO useta' work?

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

I remember left was always screaming that Bush/Cheney set up terrorists when they were caught to increase the Bush administration poll numbers. What will they say now?

The true believers will be squawking about the surveillance.

re: #45 thedopefishlives

Of course, a lot of the methodology is unknown because we don't want the bad guys to find out. If I had to guess, I'd bet a lot of the monitoring is done by undercover agents. No one really knows the monitoring capabilities of the U.S. Government, though a lot of conspiracy nuts like to guess.

...until the NYT finds out. Then it will be printed on the front page.

re: #36 MandyManners
re: #48 NJDhockeyfan
It's been a busy few months for law enforcement. The Illinois terror contingency operations suspect began his jihad last year, and the Dallas suspect had been under surveillance for six months.

re: #24 lawrior

So, recounting this week's war on terror contingency operations:
Dallas
Queens
Illinois
North Carolina

Well, I certainly feel safer.

///

Going after Quantico?

Gotta' go tend to my baby.

re: #49 MandyManners

A snip from the web

Then, in a March 2009 CNN interview, FBI spokesman John Miller noted that the FBI aims to avoid "formally constructed partnerships" with CAIR..

Ha. Monitoring for terrorist activities does not constitute a "formally constructed partnership".

re: #53 MandyManners

I'm sure that would have turned out well.

Wasn't there a plot to target Quantico a few years ago? I can't remember.

re: #52 lawrior

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan
It's been a busy few months for law enforcement. The Illinois terror contingency operations suspect began his jihad last year, and the Dallas suspect had been under surveillance for six months.

Kudos to the FBI for thwarting 3 man made disasters this week.

re: #45 thedopefishlives

Some methods are becoming known. Things like Echelon have been widely reported in Europe [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] while the EFF is suing the NSA for full scale surveillance of the internet in San Fran [Link: www.eff.org...] These give a better picture of the methodology and technology used to monitor. Standard ways to avoid detection is using stenography and encryption. The best way to ensure you're really seeing everything (from the FBI's perspective) is informants. Otherwise you're just reading the incompetent group's mail.

re: #40 MandyManners

The FBI also obviously has assets in the Arab-American community. And they take a good deal of time interviewing these people, even when there is no immediate need or cause. And I think those assets are often very eager to give information - sometimes for patriotic reasons, sometimes because they believe by cooperating the FBI will help them later when they get a traffic ticket or something.

Hosam Maher Husein Smadi already has his own Wiki page.

re: #58 McSpiff

That link should be [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #42 Flyers1974

As opposed to not trying to do so when Bush was president?

Of course they didn't stop trying while Bush was president, but Obama has shown his weakness and Al queda knows that he is backed by the antiwar movement. I think you'd have to agree there seems to be an uptick in the amount of terrorist activity now, as well as, violence in Afghanistan.

If the bomber had visited the website of the CAIR chapter in Dallas-Ft. Worth, he would have gotten this advice.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS IF CONTACTED BY THE FBI

American Muslims support strong law enforcement. We also treasure civil rights. Your right to be politically active or to hold different beliefs/views is protected by the Constitution. If the FBI visits you, remember:

1. Never lie or provide false information to the FBI. Lying to an FBI agent is a crime.
2. You have no obligation to talk to the FBI, even if you are not a citizen. Refusing to answer questions cannot be held against you. It does not imply that you have something to hide.
3. You do not have to permit them to enter your home. FBI agents must possess a search warrant in order to enter your home. If they say they have a warrant, demand to see it before allowing them to enter. Even if they have a warrant, you are under no obligation to answer questions. ALWAYS have an attorney present when answering questions.
4. Contact CAIR and an attorney for advice.

re: #63 Mich-again

If the bomber had visited the website of the CAIR chapter in Dallas-Ft. Worth, he would have gotten this advice.

That's good advice for anyone.

re: #39 NJDhockeyfan

Isn't that lovely.

Regarding illegals, a great number of illegal Arabs were removed shortly after 9/11. I can't recall the exact date it began, but a regulation was made by which all males over the age of 18 (I think) from Arab countries and other countries with large numbers of Muslims had to present themselves for registration with the INS (DHS). If they were illegal, they were detained and/or put into removal proceedings. One might question why one of these guys would voluntarily turn himself in. The reason many did was if they did not, they wouldn't be eligible for relief even if they did have or would have in the future some way of becoming legal. Plus, in the beginning, no one new they would be detained or put into proceedings for voluntarily complying with registration.

re: #62 ointmentfly

Of course they didn't stop trying while Bush was president, but Obama has shown his weakness and Al queda knows that he is backed by the antiwar movement.

I don't think the jihadis care who the President is. It doesn't change their strategy one bit.

Morning, all. I'm kind of shell-shocked over the bans and wondering what will be revealed next. I'm almost afraid to ask, but yim o hyd(sp)?

re: #55 Mich-again

A snip from the web

Ha. Monitoring for terrorist activities does not constitute a "formally constructed partnership".

Wasn't he refering to setting up a partnership with CAIR in an effort to make the FBI "aware" of Muslim culture or something similar?

re: #56 lawrior

I'm sure that would have turned out well.

Wasn't there a plot to target Quantico a few years ago? I can't remember.

All I know about is the one in your post about the North Carolina suspects?

re: #68 MandyManners

Wasn't he refering to setting up a partnership with CAIR in an effort to make the FBI "aware" of Muslim culture or something similar?

The FBI had a number of outreach programs with CAIR before the HLF trial.

re: #64 McSpiff

That's good advice for anyone.

Except for this part.

4. Contact CAIR and an attorney for advice.

re: #58 McSpiff

Some methods are becoming known. Things like Echelon have been widely reported in Europe [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] while the EFF is suing the NSA for full scale surveillance of the internet in San Fran [Link: www.eff.org...] These give a better picture of the methodology and technology used to monitor. Standard ways to avoid detection is using stenography and encryption. The best way to ensure you're really seeing everything (from the FBI's perspective) is informants. Otherwise you're just reading the incompetent group's mail.

Stenography? Like the one used by admisitrative assistants when taking dictation?

OT: It's International Hug a Vegetarian Day today.

I already hugged, FBV, but you folks should do so too. :)

re: #71 Mich-again

Fair enough, I mentally scratched out CAIR in that line. But if the FBI (well, RCMP) ever came to question me, beyond the simple "Hey, who lives in that house anyways?",basically anything beyond public knowledge, I'm asking for a lawyer.

re: #59 Flyers1974

The FBI also obviously has assets in the Arab-American community. And they take a good deal of time interviewing these people, even when there is no immediate need or cause. And I think those assets are often very eager to give information - sometimes for patriotic reasons, sometimes because they believe by cooperating the FBI will help them later when they get a traffic ticket or something.

Well, bless their hearts. They're what we need more of.

re: #72 MandyManners

D'oh! Foiled by spell check again. How about steganography?

re: #66 Mich-again

I don't think the jihadis care who the President is. It doesn't change their strategy one bit.

Exactly. They aren't discussing the differences between US political parties.

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Hosam Maher Husein Smadi already has his own Wiki page.

I wonder when CAIR will edit it to reflect their talking points.

re: #62 ointmentfly

Of course they didn't stop trying while Bush was president, but Obama has shown his weakness and Al queda knows that he is backed by the antiwar movement. I think you'd have to agree there seems to be an uptick in the amount of terrorist activity now, as well as, violence in Afghanistan.

I don't think those stupid fuckers don't know that he is backed by the pro-war front when he does something good for the effort against terrorism and the Taliban.

re: #63 Mich-again

If the bomber had visited the website of the CAIR chapter in Dallas-Ft. Worth, he would have gotten this advice.

Sounds like the advice the ACLU would give.

the iranian deal appears to be quickly coming to a head. Dan Gillerman says Israel "can't wait" for the international community to get its act together. And this morning, Obama, Sarkozy, and Brown publicly smacked iran down in a Pittsburgh news conference.

To steal a football expression, It may be time to buckle up the chin straps and have at it. I pray for Israel: one of the bravest countries in the world.

re: #67 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, all. I'm kind of shell-shocked over the bans and wondering what will be revealed next. I'm almost afraid to ask, but yim o hyd(sp)?

No. Really?

She's pretty busy IRL, with Madame.

re: #80 MandyManners

Sounds like advice any group that deals with law enforcement would give.

re: #70 Mich-again

The FBI had a number of outreach programs with CAIR before the HLF trial.

Did the programs collapse?

re: #74 McSpiff

Fair enough, I mentally scratched out CAIR in that line. But if the FBI (well, RCMP) ever came to question me, beyond the simple "Hey, who lives in that house anyways?",basically anything beyond public knowledge, I'm asking for a lawyer.

What if they're asking about a house in which you don't live? Do you need an attorney then?

re: #85 MandyManners

Like I siad in the post. Public knowledge? Sure, I'll talk their ear off. Not public knowledge? I want my lawyer. Having been illegal detained for coming forward as a witness to a crime, I'm never making that mistake again.

re: #82 MandyManners

No. Really?

I have no reason to think so, just checking names against those I haven't seen in a couple of days.

re: #76 McSpiff

D'oh! Foiled by spell check again. How about steganography?

Thanks for clearing that up. I was trying to think what Gregg would think of his system being used to perpetrate murder.

re: #77 Flyers1974

Exactly. They aren't discussing the differences between US political parties.

Yeah but, they can sniff weakness.

re: #79 MandyManners

I don't think those stupid fuckers don't know that he is backed by the pro-war front when he does something good for the effort against terrorism and the Taliban.

Nobody ever gave the terrorists any credit for being smart. If they were, our guys wouldn't be able to just sell them some fake explosives and sit back and laugh as they watched the idiots try in vain to get it to ignite.

re: #81 _RememberTonyC

the iranian deal appears to be quickly coming to a head. Dan Gillerman says Israel "can't wait" for the international community to get its act together. And this morning, Obama, Sarkozy, and Brown publicly smacked iran down in a Pittsburgh news conference.

To steal a football expression, It may be time to buckle up the chin straps and have at it. I pray for Israel: one of the bravest countries in the world.

Netanyahu's speech yesteday laid out the case for war.

re: #75 MandyManners

Well, bless their hearts. They're what we need more of.

In one situation I knew of, the guy had no knowledge of anyone wanting to commit violence or terrorism, but knew how a certain kind of everyday financial crime was being committed in his industry. They talked to this guy like ten times, just happily taking notes and learning. I think these guys (the FBI) are a lot better than many people believe.

re: #86 McSpiff

Like I siad in the post. Public knowledge? Sure, I'll talk their ear off. Not public knowledge? I want my lawyer. Having been illegal detained for coming forward as a witness to a crime, I'm never making that mistake again.

Were you detained as a material witness? For protection?

re: #87 Spenser (with an S)

I have no reason to think so, just checking names against those I haven't seen in a couple of days.

Don't scare me like that.

re: #77 Flyers1974

Exactly. They aren't discussing the differences between US political parties.

Maybe with regard to the Jihadis here, but in Afghanistan Obama has gone from adding troops to looking to find ways to change strategy. Was that because of the increase in violence there? I'd say yes. A reaction to pressure from the anitwar left, yes again in my opinion. I would say the violence and troop deaths certainly affected his decision. And how much do we know about the jihadis and who activates them?

re: #90 thedopefishlives

Nobody ever gave the terrorists any credit for being smart. If they were, our guys wouldn't be able to just sell them some fake explosives and sit back and laugh as they watched the idiots try in vain to get it to ignite.

Some were smart enough to set up long-term plans to take flying lessons a few years ago.

His middle name is Husein? Ah ha! See there? It's all so clear!
/birther, truther, middle-namer mode

re: #92 Flyers1974

In one situation I knew of, the guy had no knowledge of anyone wanting to commit violence or terrorism, but knew how a certain kind of everyday financial crime was being committed in his industry. They talked to this guy like ten times, just happily taking notes and learning. I think these guys (the FBI) are a lot better than many people believe.

I've never doubted the intelligence and dedication of the FBI. Don't most have law degrees?

As to that financial crime, the FBI would love to hear about that because of the obvious and because of the chance the profits could bankroll jihadis.

re: #91 MandyManners

Netanyahu's speech yesteday laid out the case for war.

Mandy ... He certainly "upped the ante" ...

re: #93 MandyManners

No. I witnessed a jewellery store robbery at a local mall. I was the only witness to come forward who had actually seen the get away car. After making my statement, I was told by the officer I was not allowed to leave. The area wasn't great, and most of the witnesses were gang banger types. The police turned the food court into a holding area and was running all the witnesses for outstanding warrants, etc. I specifically asked "Is there anything else you need from me.", "No". "I'm going to leave then.","No." "So I'm under arrest then?", "No." Checking with a lawyer later, I was informed that assuming my version of the events was correct, that what had occurred was illegal in my jurisdiction.

re: #84 MandyManners

Did the programs collapse?

Apparently it was a mutual break-up. Sorry for the late reply, I dove into a very long and fascinating story at Salon. Wow. Required reading if you want to understand Glen Beck. The Making of Glen Beck Too many interesting points in there to try to find a snip that sums it up. I'll just say it explains just about everything.

re: #96 MandyManners

Some were smart enough to set up long-term plans to take flying lessons a few years ago.

It's not right to call them stupid - the more correct word would be ignorant of US culture and capabilities. Take the first WTC bombing where the guy rented the U-Haul with his real ID. He never understood that the US has the ability to find things out from a tiny piece of metal from a blown up vehicle.

re: #96 MandyManners

Some were smart enough to set up long-term plans to take flying lessons a few years ago.

Obviously, there's some brands of terrorist that are smart and well-organized. The guys in question here, er, not so much. This is the new face of Al Qaeda, where the organization is decentralized out of necessity - if orders are given and received in the old terrorist cell style, they'll get busted almost right away. Instead, they use propaganda and subtle hinting to compel people to choose their own targets and do their own damage... Only people just aren't that smart. End result: This story.

Oh look, Drudge just linked to an "arrest" in Philadelphia that would violate Posse Comitatus. Too bad it looks to have been staged. The mix-and-match uniforms prevents this from passing the smell test.

re: #99 _RememberTonyC

Mandy ... He certainly "upped the ante" ...

Iran in turn upped the ante further today.

Officials tell AP Iran has second enrichment plant

VIENNA- Iran has revealed the existence of a secret uranium-enrichment plant, officials told The Associated Press Friday, a development that could heighten fears about Iran's ability to produce a nuclear weapon and escalate its diplomatic confrontation with the West.

re: #101 Mich-again

Apparently it was a mutual break-up. Sorry for the late reply, I dove into a very long and fascinating story at Salon. Wow. Required reading if you want to understand Glen Beck. The Making of Glen Beck Too many interesting points in there to try to find a snip that sums it up. I'll just say it explains just about everything.

Updinged and quoted for truth. There's a whole series there on Beck by that guy. Totally fascinating reading. If I'm not mistaken Charles linked one of the pieces as well-- possibly the one you just did.

Essential reading for sure.

re: #104 Lawrior

Philadelphia Pittsburgh.
PIMF

re: #102 Flyers1974

It's not right to call them stupid - the more correct word would be ignorant of US culture and capabilities. Take the first WTC bombing where the guy rented the U-Haul with his real ID. He never understood that the US has the ability to find things out from a tiny piece of metal from a blown up vehicle.

yes. And they learned from it. Unfortunately.

Hey flyers!

re: #98 MandyManners

I've never doubted the intelligence and dedication of the FBI. Don't most have law degrees?

As to that financial crime, the FBI would love to hear about that because of the obvious and because of the chance the profits could bankroll jihadis.

Not you, people in general I would say, underestimate the FBI's abilities and knowledge (and the abilities and knowledge of the US goernment in general) or interpret silence as ignorance.

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

Indeed ... and Dan Gillerman (Israeli spokesman) basically came out and said that Israel can't wait for the international community to act and that he hopes the US will support Israel in its plans to act against iran.

re: #108 iceweasel

yes. And they learned from it. Unfortunately.

Hey flyers!

How are you IW? Good morning.

The idiot trying to blow up the fed courthouse in Springfield, Illinois is from Decatur, Illinois where I live.
We were all pretty shocked as we are a fairly small midwestern community (only about 60,000).
He'd received money at one time to travel to Saudi Arabia for some reason and he was a big fan of Lindh from what they are saying
He attended our only mosque in town but they were unaware of his activities. By all accounts he seemed like a nice guy from what we're told.

re: #95 ointmentfly

Maybe with regard to the Jihadis here, but in Afghanistan Obama has gone from adding troops to looking to find ways to change strategy. Was that because of the increase in violence there? I'd say yes. A reaction to pressure from the anitwar left, yes again in my opinion. I would say the violence and troop deaths certainly affected his decision. And how much do we know about the jihadis and who activates them?

Head line in the NYT yesterday was about Pakistan having a role in hiding Taliban.

re: #99 _RememberTonyC

Mandy ... He certainly "upped the ante" ...

I think he did more than that. He all but told Iran that he's coming, and he told the world it could stand with Israel or with the terrorists.

re: #100 McSpiff

No. I witnessed a jewellery store robbery at a local mall. I was the only witness to come forward who had actually seen the get away car. After making my statement, I was told by the officer I was not allowed to leave. The area wasn't great, and most of the witnesses were gang banger types. The police turned the food court into a holding area and was running all the witnesses for outstanding warrants, etc. I specifically asked "Is there anything else you need from me.", "No". "I'm going to leave then.","No." "So I'm under arrest then?", "No." Checking with a lawyer later, I was informed that assuming my version of the events was correct, that what had occurred was illegal in my jurisdiction.

How long were you detained? Was it just an over-controlling cop?

re: #114 MandyManners

I think he did more than that. He all but told Iran that he's coming, and he told the world it could stand with Israel or with the terrorists.

Here's hoping that Obama chooses the right side. Truthfully, I fully expect him not to choose a side, but to pressure Israel under the table not to do anything or, when they do eventually act, to rein it in and end the action.

re: #101 Mich-again

Apparently it was a mutual break-up. Sorry for the late reply, I dove into a very long and fascinating story at Salon. Wow. Required reading if you want to understand Glen Beck. The Making of Glen Beck Too many interesting points in there to try to find a snip that sums it up. I'll just say it explains just about everything.

Don't take your love away from me...

With 3 terror plots smashed this week I imagine the Islam on Capital Hill gathering today will make quite a few people nervous.

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

With 3 terror plots smashed this week I imagine the Islam on Capital Hill gathering today will make quite a few people nervous.

?...what is that event...I have not heard about it

re: #114 MandyManners

I think he did more than that. He all but told Iran that he's coming, and he told the world it could stand with Israel or with the terrorists.

Isn't it nice to see that some of the good guys still have "cojones?"

Nice to see that law enforcement was way out in front of this would-be killer. Maybe the smart ones are all locked up or dead.

It's still war not crime, though.

re: #102 Flyers1974

It's not right to call them stupid - the more correct word would be ignorant of US culture and capabilities. Take the first WTC bombing where the guy rented the U-Haul with his real ID. He never understood that the US has the ability to find things out from a tiny piece of metal from a blown up vehicle.

And, wouldn't the police have figured it out once U-Haul reported a truck had not been returned?

re: #119 Charpete67

?...what is that event...I have not heard about it

Me neither, but I can see why they wouldn't advertise that they are bribing our congress critters to make us less secure.

re: #119 Charpete67

?...what is that event...I have not heard about it

Islam on Capital Hill

re: #122 MandyManners

And, wouldn't the police have figured it out once U-Haul reported a truck had not been returned?

didn't he try to get his deposit back?

re: #115 MandyManners

About 2 hours. There was probably about a half dozen of us. One was a fairly major drug dealer. They were clearly hoping to nail him, but there was nothing out on him. If they had let anyone go, he would have went as well. We were restricted from contacting anyone, etc. I get what the cops were trying to do, but unfortunately that was my first dealing with them, and it was a clear violation of our rights.

re: #106 iceweasel

OK I found a snip in the part of the story about Beck's days as morning show radio host that sums it up pretty well. OMG.

The slight outraged Beck, who got his revenge with what may rank as one of the cruelest bits in the history of morning radio. "A couple days after Kelly's wife, Terry, had a miscarriage, Beck called her live on the air and says, 'We hear you had a miscarriage,' " remembers Brad Miller, a former Y95 DJ and Clear Channel programmer. "When Terry said, 'Yes,' Beck proceeded to joke about how Bruce [Kelly] apparently can't do anything right -- about he can't even have a baby."

Behold the hero of Fox News.

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Obviously, there's some brands of terrorist that are smart and well-organized. The guys in question here, er, not so much. This is the new face of Al Qaeda, where the organization is decentralized out of necessity - if orders are given and received in the old terrorist cell style, they'll get busted almost right away. Instead, they use propaganda and subtle hinting to compel people to choose their own targets and do their own damage... Only people just aren't that smart. End result: This story.

Well, all it takes is one smart Jihad Johnny to come along.

re: #116 thedopefishlives

Here's hoping that Obama chooses the right side. Truthfully, I fully expect him not to choose a side, but to pressure Israel under the table not to do anything or, when they do eventually act, to rein it in and end the action.

When push comes to shove, Obama will have to side with Israel. He will hold his nose as he does it, but I really think he will write his own ticket to political oblivion if he doesn't.

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

With 3 terror plots smashed this week I imagine the Islam on Capital Hill gathering today will make quite a few people nervous.

Not unless they're bigots or bedwetters.

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I bet Netanyahu knew about the second one a while ago.

re: #117 MandyManners

MANDY ,,, I just saw your post from the Top Ten Comments

Hows The Kid?

re: #119 Charpete67

Some sort of national prayer day

re: #126 McSpiff

I should clarify, I was not with him before. There was 3 separate groups of witnesses, myself and a friend from outside the mall and 2 groups from inside. All were held. The police knew there was no connection between me and him.

I'm off to work ... have a good day, everyone.

re: #109 Flyers1974

Not you, people in general I would say, underestimate the FBI's abilities and knowledge (and the abilities and knowledge of the US goernment in general) or interpret silence as ignorance.

There was a time when the FBI was admired by the citizenry.

re: #122 MandyManners

And, wouldn't the police have figured it out once U-Haul reported a truck had not been returned?

How many UHauls and rental cars go unreturned on any given day?

Especially in a metro area like NYC, which has three airports, two of which are international?

Lots of cars/vans/trucks rented. Lots not returned.

re: #127 Mich-again

Did I miss the link upthread? My dad thinks Beck has some good ideas and needs to hear that.

re: #124 NJDhockeyfan

Islam on Capital Hill

wonder if any Lizards will be there to get photo's...

re: #128 MandyManners

Well, all it takes is one smart Jihad Johnny to come along.

True. Which is why I'm glad our boys are the smartest ones out there. It helps me rest easier at night.

re: #122 MandyManners

And, wouldn't the police have figured it out once U-Haul reported a truck had not been returned?

Except the guy used his real ID and not a fake. If they have the money/ability to pull off a bombing like that, they can get their guy a fake ID.

re: #112 iceman1960

[Link: www.sj-r.com...]

Converted to Islam while in prison for aggravated robbery and battery.

Finton said he did not want to,” the affidavit says. “Finton said that even if the whole thing was a set-up, he would be rewarded for his intentions the same as if he completed his mission, even if he received the death penalty.”

According to the affidavit, Finton at least twice said he suspected he was being set up by law enforcement agents. However, he said, he knew that wasn't the case "because they (law enforcement authorities) were not that smart,” the document says.

At another point, the affidavit states, Finton “said the attack would be an historic occasion. … Finton said it was his biggest dream to be the first domino to fall, to be the one who brought the whole thing crashing down. He said that if his deeds were accepted (by God), then his sins would be forgiven because of his intention. He spoke again of his hope that the attack would cause American troops to be pulled back out of Afghanistan and Iraq.”

In discussing the explosion Finton allegedly hoped to create, the affidavit says, “… Finton said that everyone working in the federal building is a federal employee. He said that, while they were doing everything they could to avoid collateral civilian casualties, such casualties would be inevitable and justified. He said that everyone in the federal building would be killed.”

Finton reportedly told the government source that he “would rather die as a shaheed (Arabic for martyr) than to try to live his life here. He said his goal was to do something that was going to be a catalyst for establishing a Muslim Caliphate. He said he wanted to be (sic) a historical event.”

SNIP

re: #125 Charpete67

didn't he try to get his deposit back?

I think you're right, he did try.

re: #138 Spenser (with an S)

Did I miss the link upthread? My dad thinks Beck has some good ideas and needs to hear that.

It came out a few days ago at Salon.com. The Making of Glen Beck.

re: #116 thedopefishlives

Here's hoping that Obama chooses the right side. Truthfully, I fully expect him not to choose a side, but to pressure Israel under the table not to do anything or, when they do eventually act, to rein it in and end the action.

And, I hope Netanyahu tells BHO to piss up a rope.

I'm glad Olmert is gone.

re: #120 _RememberTonyC

Isn't it nice to see that some of the good guys still have "cojones?"

My mom is in love with him.

re: #125 Charpete67

didn't he try to get his deposit back?

That rings a bell.

Time to head to work. See you on the LNDT in the morning.

re: #145 MandyManners

And, I hope Netanyahu tells BHO to piss up a rope.

I'm glad Olmert is gone.

Me too. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for that conversation. That's a dressing down I bet Obama will never forget.

re: #126 McSpiff

About 2 hours. There was probably about a half dozen of us. One was a fairly major drug dealer. They were clearly hoping to nail him, but there was nothing out on him. If they had let anyone go, he would have went as well. We were restricted from contacting anyone, etc. I get what the cops were trying to do, but unfortunately that was my first dealing with them, and it was a clear violation of our rights.

Were you in actual detention? You were not in a police car. You were not in a holding room. You were not cuffed. What would they have done if you insisted you were leaving?

re: #142 MandyManners

Yep Finton didn't sound like the brightest bulb. But it only takes one idiot to succeed.

re: #112 iceman1960

The idiot trying to blow up the fed courthouse in Springfield, Illinois is from Decatur, Illinois where I live.
We were all pretty shocked as we are a fairly small midwestern community (only about 60,000).
He'd received money at one time to travel to Saudi Arabia for some reason and he was a big fan of Lindh from what they are saying
He attended our only mosque in town but they were unaware of his activities. By all accounts he seemed like a nice guy from what we're told.

It will be interesting to see if the FBI got onto his trail from web activity or from informants. The Dallas guy appears to have been flagged from hitting extremist sites and honeypots. [Honeypot: site designed to draw extremists in for flagging and tracking]

re: #127 Mich-again

OK I found a snip in the part of the story about Beck's days as morning show radio host that sums it up pretty well. OMG.

Behold the hero of Fox News.

Gosh-darn low-life motherfucker. That's beyond comprehension.

"This case serves as a reminder "of the continuing threats of terrorism we face as a nation and the FBI's resolve to meet those threats," said Robert Casey, special agent in charge of the Dallas FBI office."

Right on FBI! Screw the ACLU types who diss the Patriot Act and thank you once again President Bush. oh, morning all.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

re: #132 sattv4u2

MANDY ,,, I just saw your post from the Top Ten Comments

Hows The Kid?

Cold so I know the fever is back. But, he ate some breakfast and is drinking lotsa' fluid. Thank you for asking.

re: #152 Thanos

They caught on to him from letters he had in his possession addressed to Lindh when he (Finton) got busted for a probation violation.

re: #137 iceweasel

How many UHauls and rental cars go unreturned on any given day?

Especially in a metro area like NYC, which has three airports, two of which are international?

Lots of cars/vans/trucks rented. Lots not returned.

How many times is a major building bombed in Manhattan? Two and two would've been put together very quickly.

re: #152 Thanos

It will be interesting to see if the FBI got onto his trail from web activity or from informants. The Dallas guy appears to have been flagged from hitting extremist sites and honeypots. [Honeypot: site designed to draw extremists in for flagging and tracking]

That link I posted down thread said they intercepted a post from him on an internet Jihad site.

So, my penpal from my church's blog didn't like my posting translations of that horrible Hamas kids tv show...

But, this does not negate the fact that the show is awful. It incites hatred. But, you at least can comfort yourself knowing that the Israelis have so horribly oppressed the Palestinians in Gaza that I seriously doubt that many of them can afford to own a television much less rely on the electricity to power such a device. This TV show is the least of Israel's public relations problems. When it comes to anger towards Israel, it is doubtful that the TV show is teaching the children anything new. In the most recent war in Gaza, between 1100 and 1400 people died, 5000 people were injured and 4000 houses destroyed. Add to that the fact that 50,000 people were displaced. Out of a population of 1.5 million, it is likely that nearly every child knows someone injured, killed or displaced by the conflict.

On a related note, do you think that piling injustice upon injustice will cause the Palestinians to stop hating the Israelis? Will that work? In the history of imperialist movements in the past 60 years, very few of them have worked and none of them have had satisfactory conclusions.

re: #155 MandyManners

Cold so I know the fever is back. But, he ate some breakfast and is drinking lotsa' fluid. Thank you for asking.

The kid has H1N1? I hope he gets over it without any problems, I'm sure I don't need to remind you WASH YOUR HANDS. Good luck MM.

re: #150 MandyManners

I was physically blocked from leaving. I attempted, the officer physically impeded my path. Thats when I asked for clarification on what exactly my status was. Police here can use any space (with property owners permission) as a detention area. I've seen drunk tanks setup in highschools, etc. Its considered just as much detention as a police car or a holding cell. The basic test is: Are you allowed to leave? I was told I was not.

re: #124 NJDhockeyfan

Islam on Capital Hill

What's the Athan? The Jummah prayer? What does "OUR DAY HAS COME" mean? Was this planned knowing about the would-be bombers were at work?

re: #157 MandyManners

How many times is a major building bombed in Manhattan? Two and two would've been put together very quickly.

You have zero basis for that statement, and frankly it reflects a kind of touching pre 9-11 thinking. You probably would also have said then that there was no way our intelligence agencies and our executive branch could have failed to connect the dots between an FBI report about pilots in Florida, plus a memo on Aug 6 2001 entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US".

But they did, and it happened.

re: #141 Flyers1974

Except the guy used his real ID and not a fake. If they have the money/ability to pull off a bombing like that, they can get their guy a fake ID.

I don't think they thought the truck would be traced.

re: #159 Spenser (with an S)

Carter is your pen pal?
/

re: #159 Spenser (with an S)

you at least can comfort yourself knowing that the Israelis PALASTINIAN LEADERSHIPS have so horribly oppressed the Palestinians in Gaza that I seriously doubt that many of them can afford to own a television much less rely on the electricity to power such a device.

send it back to him with the FTFY!

re: #155 MandyManners

Cold so I know the fever is back. But, he ate some breakfast and is drinking lotsa' fluid. Thank you for asking.

If you check with a local GNC, they might carry a product called "Elite Water." It is an electrolyte booster you can add to water or kool-aid or whatever. Cheaper then Pediasure and better then Gatoraide.

re: #149 thedopefishlives

Me too. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for that conversation. That's a dressing down I bet Obama will never forget.

I don't think Netanyahu will have to do that. He'll just have to tell him is plan of action. Israel is a sovereign nation.

re: #165 turn

re: #166 sattv4u2

Yep, and done.

re: #162 MandyManners

Was this planned knowing about the would-be bombers were at work?

Whoa, that's a scary thought ...

re: #151 iceman1960

Yep Finton didn't sound like the brightest bulb. But it only takes one idiot to succeed.

Too true.

re: #130 iceweasel

Not unless they're bigots or bedwetters.

Did you see who is organizing it?

Hassen Ibn Abdellah. He is the president of Dar ul-Islam in Elizabeth, NJ.

Hassen Ibn Abdellah, a lawyer, has been defending jihadists for years, including Mahmud Abouhalima who was involved in the 1993 WTC bombing.

re: #159 Spenser (with an S)

So, my penpal from my church's blog didn't like my posting translations of that horrible Hamas kids tv show...

The stupid is deep witht that one.

I just read the article on Iran and it doesn't give a reason for them disclosing the existence of the second enrichment facility. Was it because they knew Mossad or western intelligence agencies had found out about it, and they wanted to beat them to the punch on announcing it? Or are they goading Israel into attacking in order to get the people back behind the current regime? Or some other reason I can't think of this morning?

re: #168 MandyManners

I don't think Netanyahu will have to do that. He'll just have to tell him is plan of action. Israel is a sovereign nation.

He wouldn't have to do that, but could you resist an opportunity to tell the leader of the free world to take his "suggestions" and shove them where the sun don't shine?

re: #162 MandyManners

What's the Athan? The Jummah prayer? What does "OUR DAY HAS COME" mean? Was this planned knowing about the would-be bombers were at work?

Super creepy, isn't it?

re: #40 MandyManners

How is the FBI doing it? Do they have informants in the jihad community? Do they have the Internet shot through with software that alerts them when certain words are used on jihadi sites? All sites? If I were to type, "Can someone get me some Semtex?" here, would the FBI find it?

This must piss off those who opposed the Patriot Act.

I think the bigger point here, is that whatever they're doing, IS working.

re: #160 turn

The kid has H1N1? I hope he gets over it without any problems, I'm sure I don't need to remind you WASH YOUR HANDS. Good luck MM.

Thank you!

Yes, the test showed it's H1N1. I figured it was because he got the nasal mist vaccination that protects against the regular viruses last week.

I am not just washing my hands. I'm wearing a surgial maks and gloves when I'm in his rooms.

re: #111 Flyers1974

How are you IW? Good morning.

Hey baby! I'm just fine. How are you?

You're in MD, I think? I'm jealous. Having a craving for crabs there.

re: #161 McSpiff

I was physically blocked from leaving. I attempted, the officer physically impeded my path. Thats when I asked for clarification on what exactly my status was. Police here can use any space (with property owners permission) as a detention area. I've seen drunk tanks setup in highschools, etc. Its considered just as much detention as a police car or a holding cell. The basic test is: Are you allowed to leave? I was told I was not.

Did you consider filing a complaint?

re: #174 war_eagle

All of war is deception. If Iran says it exists, there is a good chance it doesn't. Kind of like how a guy who is hiding and about to be found throws a rock to make a noise way over there.

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

Did you see who is organizing it?

Hassen Ibn Abdellah. He is the president of Dar ul-Islam in Elizabeth, NJ.

Hassen Ibn Abdellah, a lawyer, has been defending jihadists for years, including Mahmud Abouhalima who was involved in the 1993 WTC bombing.

There is something fishy going on here, is it just a coincidence the event was planned the same day a huge skyscraper was due to come down? Naw, the FBI would have kept tabs on everybody Hosam Maher Husein Smadi was in contact with. You're getting carried away turn ...

re: #159 Spenser (with an S)

So, my penpal from my church's blog didn't like my posting translations of that horrible Hamas kids tv show...

I don't know if pointing out that the Palis had a high standard of living WHILE THE ISRAELIS WERE IN CONTROL.
The Oslo accords, and Arafat, resulted in the intifada, and THEN the restrictions on the Palestinians.
So it was tried and didn't work.

However, his skull is so thick and so full of garbage that I doubt anything can sink in. You have more patience than I would.

re: #178 MandyManners

Thank you!

Yes, the test showed it's H1N1. I figured it was because he got the nasal mist vaccination that protects against the regular viruses last week.

I am not just washing my hands. I'm wearing a surgial maks and gloves when I'm in his rooms.

Is there an outbreak at school?

re: #164 MandyManners

I don't think they thought the truck would be traced.

Exactly.

Good morning, lizards.

re: #180 MandyManners

I did. Two things stopped me:

1. Really not a big deal. I wasn't harmed and the guy was a creep. He later involved when a friend of mine was stabbed. I learned a lesson, which is don't deal with police without someone present who knows and understands your rights. I have an overall understanding, but not enough to confidently say "stop, your infringing my rights."

2. The cops wouldn't be the ones paying. Tax payers would be, like usual.

It was an eye opener, and left me a little jaded. If I thought I had be in the wrong, fine my fault. But I had come forward as a witness. Left a nasty taste in the mouth ya know?

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you check with a local GNC, they might carry a product called "Elite Water." It is an electrolyte booster you can add to water or kool-aid or whatever. Cheaper then Pediasure and better then Gatoraide.

The closest GNC is a 50-mile round-trip. I put on about 170 miles on my car yesterday and I am hoping to have a far-less stressful day. (The first second trip to the city was to take The Kid to school. I got home to find that my wireless router adapter was dead so I had to turn around and go back to the city. Then, I picked up The Kid. When we got home, he looked wild so I took his temperature. Back to the city to the clinic. I don't want to even THINK of my car.)

A local radio host called this amateur hour. These guys were doing everything wrong. Using the internet, buying chemicals in bulk etc...
I wonder, and fear, that these might be just AQ probes. Seeing what will work and who the feds are in the community. Maybe trying to figure out what surveillance capabilities we have. Once they figure it out. They'll strike again.

I hope I'm wrong. but I fear i'm right

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Kudos have to go out to the law enforcement officials involved in disrupting these plots before they could cause serious damage. They've got to be on the ball 100% of the time, and the terrorists only have to get lucky once to cause mass carnage.

Still, the plot in Springfield, IL is troubling by how close that terrorist got to what he thought was a successful mass casualty attack.

Lot of activity here at the Minot AFB, B52 bomber wing.

Can anyone recommend a decent online radio talk show that begins in an hour? Local station plays Beck so... I'm trying to fill the gap.

re: #183 Kosh's Shadow

I don't know if pointing out that the Palis had a high standard of living WHILE THE ISRAELIS WERE IN CONTROL.
The Oslo accords, and Arafat, resulted in the intifada, and THEN the restrictions on the Palestinians.
So it was tried and didn't work.

However, his skull is so thick and so full of garbage that I doubt anything can sink in. You have more patience than I would.

Well, there's probably 30-40 people reading that blog so I'm doing it so they don't just hear his drivel and maybe will research for themselves or have the courage of their convictions the next time they hear it. So far, he hasn't been mean, just so full of fluffy caring and earnestness that he sees people living in squalor and needs to blame someone and goes with what he hears most. He actually thinks that the world gives too much pro-Israeli press that he needs to speak up.

re: #189 Texas Heathen

I don't think either of these two (Dallas or Springfield) have AQ connections. They might have figured that they could get away with it because they were using homemade explosives using household chemicals.

It's worked before, and it could work again. This time, law enforcement was on the ball. Someone took note of the suspicious activities. Next time, we might not get so lucky, even if we are looking for them.

re: #191 Dakman

Lot of activity here at the Minot AFB, B52 bomber wing.

Did General Jack D. Ripper order Wing Operation Plan R; Nucyular combat toe-to-toe with the Eye-ranians?

re: #179 iceweasel

Hey baby! I'm just fine. How are you?

You're in MD, I think? I'm jealous. Having a craving for crabs there.

All is well. Yes. "Smalltimore" as they call it. They love their crabs around here. Once every couple of years is enough for me. Too much effort involved in breaking them open unless you're a native.

re: #192 bosforus

Can anyone recommend a decent online radio talk show that begins in an hour? Local station plays Beck so... I'm trying to fill the gap.

Live stream BBC Radio 4: Intelligent Speech.

Except for the next hour it's Gardener's Question Time.

They have loads of cool stuff available for replay, though:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

Did you see who is organizing it?

Hassen Ibn Abdellah. He is the president of Dar ul-Islam in Elizabeth, NJ.

Hassen Ibn Abdellah, a lawyer, has been defending jihadists for years, including Mahmud Abouhalima who was involved in the 1993 WTC bombing.

From the LGF Dictionary: House of Islam," or "House of Submission" or "House of Peace." Any country under Islamic rule, or -- more commonly -- all Muslim countries as a group.

Hmmm is Abdellah saying America is a Muslim country or will be one day?

re: #175 thedopefishlives

He wouldn't have to do that, but could you resist an opportunity to tell the leader of the free world to take his "suggestions" and shove them where the sun don't shine?

Of course, I prefer "go piss up a rope" but, that's just me.

re: #197 iceweasel

I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

re: #177 Cheesehead

I think the bigger point here, is that whatever they're doing, IS working.

Well, yes. I was merely wondering how far they had infiltrated the jihadis.

Gotta' make some calls. bbiab

OT: Darwin's Origin of Species is free on Google Books, in case anyone wants a searchable digital copy. It's also downloadable. Caveat emptor: I hear reading it poses a risk of being melted in a pit of fire or something.

re: #201 MandyManners

I think the answer to that is None of My Business.

re: #200 bosforus

I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

They're really great. Browse the categories on the left; you can pick all kinds of stuff, politics, humour, readings of novels and plays-- I love them.

re: #205 iceweasel

They're really great. Browse the categories on the left; you can pick all kinds of stuff, politics, humour, readings of novels and plays-- I love them.

Uh, that should be 'on the right'-- my ideological bias overrode my spatial relations there. sorry! :)

OK, and now his views on Gaza. He says there were no pre-conditions but they left too quickly and chaos ensued...

The other example where Israel "gave up" land was the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. This took place without any preconditions. It was not negotiated. Mahmoud Abbas had no part in the transaction. Rather, the Israeli army simply picked up camp and moved out thereby creating a political no-man's land. Are we to expect a "turnover" of land to be productive even if it takes place outside of diplomatic negotiations?

re: #184 turn

Is there an outbreak at school?

Oh, yes. Not all are H1N1 but several all.

re: #204 MikeySDCA

And hopefully, ALOT more then we'll ever know. Which would include the terrorists.

re: #187 McSpiff

I did. Two things stopped me:

1. Really not a big deal. I wasn't harmed and the guy was a creep. He later involved when a friend of mine was stabbed. I learned a lesson, which is don't deal with police without someone present who knows and understands your rights. I have an overall understanding, but not enough to confidently say "stop, your infringing my rights."

2. The cops wouldn't be the ones paying. Tax payers would be, like usual.

It was an eye opener, and left me a little jaded. If I thought I had be in the wrong, fine my fault. But I had come forward as a witness. Left a nasty taste in the mouth ya know?

I hope it doesn't stop you again if you witness a crime.

re: #210 MandyManners

Na, cops are just doing their jobs too. But id be a lot more likely to lawyer up. Keep things on the level.

re: #207 Spenser (with an S)

OK, and now his views on Gaza. He says there were no pre-conditions but they left too quickly and chaos ensued...

What is he getting at there? The place is a wasteland because Israel succeeded it without diplomatic relations? sheesh

re: #159 Spenser (with an S)

So, my penpal from my church's blog didn't like my posting translations of that horrible Hamas kids tv show...

You belong to the same church as Craig and Cindy Corrie?

re: #207 Spenser (with an S)

OK, and now his views on Gaza. He says there were no pre-conditions but they left too quickly and chaos ensued...

Teh stupid! It burns!

Regarding Iran: I can't reconcile the positions of those who want to be tough on Iran and who also advocated for the Iraq War. It seems to me that the Iraq War removed two of Iran's biggest enemies, Iraq and the USA. Will it not now be politically very difficult for any US president to go to war with Iran? As opposed to the political difficulty before the Iraq War or more accurately, the occupation of Iraq? Put another way, wasn't Iran the biggest winner to come out of the war? Did we not believe or care then that Iran might be getting nuclear weapons capabilities? Or did we think that the American public would support one war after the other?

re: #206 iceweasel

I figured as much. ;)

re: #203 Danny

OT: Darwin's Origin of Species is free on Google Books, in case anyone wants a searchable digital copy. It's also downloadable. Caveat emptor: I hear reading it poses a risk of being melted in a pit of fire or something.

I assume that one does not have the 50 page introduction blaming Darwin for Hitler?

re: #213 Alouette

You belong to the same church as Craig and Cindy Corrie?

Ha, no. It's actually not my church, but rather the national offices who need to be watched carefully (obviously). My church does not do politics at all, but some busy-bodies do.

re: #207 Spenser (with an S)

OK, and now his views on Gaza. He says there were no pre-conditions but they left too quickly and chaos ensued...

degenerate victimization of every and any facet of that conflict...the Palis and their supporters are simply lunatics that get people killed

re: #198 MandyManners

From the LGF Dictionary: House of Islam," or "House of Submission" or "House of Peace." Any country under Islamic rule, or -- more commonly -- all Muslim countries as a group.

Hmmm is Abdellah saying America is a Muslim country or will be one day?

Here are a few of Mr. Abdellah's clients:

Mahmud Abouhalima - convicted in the 1993 WTC bombing.

Numan Maflahi - Al Qaeda fundraiser

Mahmud Faruq Brent - terrorist tied to the Virginia jihad network

This is just the tip of the iceberg on who is involved in the DC gathering.

re: #214 Alouette

And how many bajillions of $ did the world throw their way over the last number of years? Open those Swiss accounts and buy them some tv's!

re: #189 Texas Heathen

A local radio host called this amateur hour. These guys were doing everything wrong. Using the internet, buying chemicals in bulk etc...
I wonder, and fear, that these might be just AQ probes. Seeing what will work and who the feds are in the community. Maybe trying to figure out what surveillance capabilities we have. Once they figure it out. They'll strike again.

I hope I'm wrong. but I fear i'm right

Yes, that has run through my head.

You know I hate to even ask, but how bad was the fallout last night from the latest crop of bannings?

I left early, wasn't feeling very well.

re: #191 Dakman

Lot of activity here at the Minot AFB, B52 bomber wing.

More than usual?

re: #208 MandyManners

Oh, yes. Not all are H1N1 but several all.

My youngest daughters 7 and 11yo have both gotten some kind of stomach bug. 1 week apart. first the 11yo had to stay home from school because of vomiting and fever(>102) we took her to the doctor and found out it wasn't the h1n1. That night on the news another 11yo girl died from h1n1.
A week later my 7yo out from school 2 days same symptoms. Ugh I hate school season.

re: #223 Irish Rose

You know I hate to even ask, but how bad was the fallout last night from the latest crop of bannings?

I left early, wasn't feeling very well.

Who got banned?

re: #193 Spenser (with an S)

Well, there's probably 30-40 people reading that blog so I'm doing it so they don't just hear his drivel and maybe will research for themselves or have the courage of their convictions the next time they hear it. So far, he hasn't been mean, just so full of fluffy caring and earnestness that he sees people living in squalor and needs to blame someone and goes with what he hears most. He actually thinks that the world gives too much pro-Israeli press that he needs to speak up.

Go, you!

Fancy that. Gitmo isn't going to close anytime soon, because there are no good alternatives. Reality finally provided a cluebat to the Obama Administration, which made a point within days of taking office that they'd shut it down. They're not going to close it by the end of the year after all.

Too bad. So sad. /Not

re: #226 turn

Who got banned?

You didn't get your pink slip?

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Anyone hear what's going on with those crazy right-wing extremists in Pittsburgh for G20?

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

Did General Jack D. Ripper order Wing Operation Plan R; Nucyular combat toe-to-toe with the Eye-ranians?

How are your precious, bodily fluids today?

re: #226 turn

Who got banned?

I don't have the heart to say.
I'll only say that I'm very, very disappointed in a lot of ex-lizards this morning.

re: #228 lawhawk

And in his "I" speech to the UN he touted that within his 1st 8 months The 0ne has closed Gitmo and stopped US "torture"

re: #204 MikeySDCA

I think the answer to that is None of My Business.

Excuse me?

re: #230 Pianobuff

Anyone hear what's going on with those crazy right-wing extremists in Pittsburgh for G20?

Yes ,, they all showed up to their jobs today!

On the OTHER hand ,,,

re: #215 Flyers1974

Regarding Iran: I can't reconcile the positions of those who want to be tough on Iran and who also advocated for the Iraq War. It seems to me that the Iraq War removed two of Iran's biggest enemies, Iraq and the USA. Will it not now be politically very difficult for any US president to go to war with Iran? As opposed to the political difficulty before the Iraq War or more accurately, the occupation of Iraq? Put another way, wasn't Iran the biggest winner to come out of the war? Did we not believe or care then that Iran might be getting nuclear weapons capabilities? Or did we think that the American public would support one war after the other?

Yes.

And to the second bolded question: Yes. People were banking on that. It's why we had pundits and politicians openly wishing for another terrorist attack to 'bring the country together again'.
Booolsheet, as the Romanian chick in the Darwin video downstairs would say.

re: #211 McSpiff

Na, cops are just doing their jobs too. But id be a lot more likely to lawyer up. Keep things on the level.

The minute you do that the cops might look at you as a "person of interest" instead of a mee witness. However, I understand the feeling.

re: #228 lawhawk

Yet another GWB policy (strongly opposed by the Left) that Obama is keeping. I'm losing track of them all.

re: #228 lawhawk

Fancy that. Gitmo isn't going to close anytime soon, because there are no good alternatives. Reality finally provided a cluebat to the Obama Administration, which made a point within days of taking office that they'd shut it down. They're not going to close it by the end of the year after all.

Too bad. So sad. /Not

Quelle surprise!

re: #226 turn

Who got banned?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #228 lawhawk

Fancy that. Gitmo isn't going to close anytime soon, because there are no good alternatives. Reality finally provided a cluebat to the Obama Administration, which made a point within days of taking office that they'd shut it down. They're not going to close it by the end of the year after all.

Too bad. So sad. /Not

another hipshot BO policy up in smoke

re: #237 MandyManners

More power to them. That's just how the game is played I guess.

re: #215 Flyers1974

Regarding Iran: I can't reconcile the positions of those who want to be tough on Iran and who also advocated for the Iraq War. It seems to me that the Iraq War removed two of Iran's biggest enemies, Iraq and the USA. Will it not now be politically very difficult for any US president to go to war with Iran? As opposed to the political difficulty before the Iraq War or more accurately, the occupation of Iraq? Put another way, wasn't Iran the biggest winner to come out of the war? Did we not believe or care then that Iran might be getting nuclear weapons capabilities? Or did we think that the American public would support one war after the other?

I think it is important to remember that the reason Saddam bluffed having WMD, was supposedly Iran. How much of Iran's quest to build a nuclear arsenal was because of the nutjob next door? Nothing is easy in the middle east.

The reason we might have to attack Iran is because of Russia and China who are backing Iran in the UN and refuse to put teeth in the sanctions regime. Sound familiar?

re: #215 Flyers1974

Regarding Iran: I can't reconcile the positions of those who want to be tough on Iran and who also advocated for the Iraq War. It seems to me that the Iraq War removed two of Iran's biggest enemies, Iraq and the USA. Will it not now be politically very difficult for any US president to go to war with Iran? As opposed to the political difficulty before the Iraq War or more accurately, the occupation of Iraq? Put another way, wasn't Iran the biggest winner to come out of the war? Did we not believe or care then that Iran might be getting nuclear weapons capabilities? Or did we think that the American public would support one war after the other?

Who has said we're going to war with Iran? I thought Israel was gonna' do what needs to be done.

re: #228 lawhawk

Craig said Thursday that some of his early assumptions were based on miscalculations, in part because Bush administration officials and senior Republicans in Congress had spoken publicly about closing the facility. "I thought there was, in fact, and I may have been wrong, a broad consensus about the importance to our national security objectives to close Guantanamo and how keeping Guantanamo open actually did damage to our national security objectives," he said.

The part about Bush and the republicans, how did the post get that out of the quoted statement?

re: #229 sattv4u2

You didn't get your pink slip?

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haha, no (not yet)

re: #240 bosforus

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Holy crap.

Kirk To Obama: Withdraw Grants To Libyan Charities

The Obama Administration plans to give $400,000 in funding to a Libyan charity run by the Gadhafi family, and U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) wants the grant withdrawn.

The money would be divided between two foundations run by the family of Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi. A $200,000 share is set to go to the Gadhafi Development Foundation, which is run by Gadhafi's son, Saif, and another $200,000 are to go to Wa Attassimou, an organization run by Muammar Gadhafi's daughter, Aisha.

And isn't it funny that for all Obama's talk of a kinder, gentler America that will respect our enemies more (engaging in dialog, unilateral actions like refusing to position missile defense in support of our allies, and throwing Israel under the bus), those same enemies are still busy pursuing nukes (Iran) and engaging in jihad here at home (the troika of terror plots revealed this week)?

re: #230 Pianobuff

Anyone hear what's going on with those crazy right-wing extremists in Pittsburgh for G20?

Some minor vandalism, but nothing major going on. The cops have the anarchists under control. BTW, I decided to do a quick scan of the stalker blog this AM, and it's a very happy place for the ex lizards.i.e., every AGW point we discussed and found wanting, are now being recycled with Amen's all around. See you all tomorrow evening, heading to the casino.

re: #230 Pianobuff

Anyone hear what's going on with those crazy right-wing extremists in Pittsburgh for G20?

Drudge has a video up of the "military" nabbing a protester, some here say it was a setup.

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

Here are a few of Mr. Abdellah's clients:

Mahmud Abouhalima - convicted in the 1993 WTC bombing.

Numan Maflahi - Al Qaeda fundraiser

Mahmud Faruq Brent - terrorist tied to the Virginia jihad network

This is just the tip of the iceberg on who is involved in the DC gathering.

I still wanna' know why that group is named Dar ul-Islam. It's about Muslim countries, not Muslim groups.

re: #249 lawhawk

And isn't it funny that for all Obama's talk of a kinder, gentler America that will respect our enemies more (engaging in dialog, unilateral actions like refusing to position missile defense in support of our allies, and throwing Israel under the bus), those same enemies are still busy pursuing nukes (Iran) and engaging in jihad here at home (the troika of terror plots revealed this week)?

I thought love meant never having to say your sorry.

re: #232 Irish Rose

I don't have the heart to say.
I'll only say that I'm very, very disappointed in a lot of ex-lizards this morning.

Please tell me what thread then so I can go back and see for myself.

OT

Iran has admitted to having built a second, huge nuclear site (which is clearly designed for weapons production). How many UN Resolutions is Iran now in defiance of? (What a joke the UN is -- as if pieces of paper are sooo scary to fanatic Mullahs...)

Meanwhile there was a funny dust-up between the dingdong Jim Walsh (a so-called "security" expert) and Heidi Collins on CNN. lol...She put him in his place (deftly underscoring how stupid his claims were). Walsh: "Yeah! This is great News! All Right!" (words to that effect). Heidi: "How is this 'great news'?" (when Iran has been under pending, even more severe sanctions, yet they think so little about it, that they proceed to build an even larger nuclear facility)...Heidi Collins also closed off by alluding to the fact that Walsh was DinnerJacket's dinner guest...in other words, Walsh is being wined and dined by Ahmadinejad.

re: #254 turn

Please tell me what thread then so I can go back and see for myself.

See my #240