Secret Service Investigates Facebook Assassination Poll

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A poll posted on Facebook with more than 700 responses (now apparently removed) asked “Should Obama Be Killed?”

The Secret Service is investigating.

Bad, bad craziness is coming out into the open more and more, encouraged by GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts, pandering to and inflaming the most extreme elements.

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1 Ray in TX  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:21:07am

Another small step is taken every day by the lunatic fringe.

2 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:22:52am

How absolutely STUPID do you have to be to actually openly post something as ridiculous as this? Are there really people who are so unhinged that they can't foresee the results of their utterly idiotic actions?

3 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:22:57am

Whoever is behind this should have the book thrown at them.

4 erraticsphinx  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #2 thedopefishlives

Yes.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:23:20am

Included on the list of the top 100 most popular polls on Facebook was a poll responding to the "should Obama be killed" query, and which asked users to vote, "Should the creator of 'should Obama be killed' be arrested?"

If not, his mama should spank his behind with a wooden spoon.

6 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:23:25am

Interested in the identity of the actual person that started this poll? I hope we find out at some point.

7 Summer Seale  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:23:49am

I'm glad they're investigating. I do remember that girl in high school who had something on facebook about killing Bush, however, and many on the left were up in arms when the Secret Service investigated her. Screams of "tyrant" were heard and "child abuse" because they questioned her.

It was right to question her. I assume that maybe the left thinks perhaps that's not such a bad fucking idea now after all?

8 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:24:19am

It almost seems to me that a good portion of the population has lost common sense. They are no longer listening to that little voice in their head that says, "Is this really a smart thing to do?"

...and any type of advocation to the death of another? Wow, folks, way to devolve...

9 Ray in TX  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:26:12am

re: #2 thedopefishlives

How absolutely STUPID do you have to be to actually openly post something as ridiculous as this? Are there really people who are so unhinged that they can't foresee the results of their utterly idiotic actions?

There used to be a flash game on the web that allowed you to shoot Bill Clinton.

10 johnnygriswold  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:26:27am

What's wrong with people??

11 Kragar  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:28:31am

re: #10 johnnygriswold

What's wrong with people??

The internet brings out the stupid in people.

12 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:29:22am

This is just surreal. Unbelievable. Whomever put that poll up, and whomever responded to it in the affirmative, should go to jail. No excuses.

13 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #3 Sharmuta

Whoever is behind this should have the book thrown at them.

At the face.

14 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:29:34am

re: #9 Ray in TX

There used to be a flash game on the web that allowed you to shoot Bill Clinton.

But that is satire!

/

15 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:30:29am

re: #12 CapeCoddah

This is just surreal. Unbelievable. Whomever put that poll up, and whomever responded to it in the affirmative, should go to jail. No excuses.

Why? Doesn't the First Amendment cover the most vile speech as long as it is not inciting someone to action?

16 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:30:46am

Was this posted by a facebook user, or by FACEBOOK itself?

If it was FACEBOOK itself, Mark Zuckerberg (founder and CEO) should be getting a visit from the Secret Service IMMEDIATLY

17 erraticsphinx  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:13am

Is there anything the secret service can actually do to them, though, legally? Couldn't they just claim "Hey, we were just gauging opinion!"?

Idiots, nevertheless.

18 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:23am

re: #15 MandyManners

Why? Doesn't the First Amendment cover the most vile speech as long as it is not inciting someone to action?

I'm not saying that was a cool idea. It's not. It's disgusting.

19 Semper Fi  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #10 johnnygriswold

What's wrong with people??

Good Morning!
I think good leadership is missing.

20 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

Interested in the identity of the actual person that started this poll? I hope we find out at some point.

To that person:

That knock at the door? It ain't Avon calling.

Enjoy the conversation, creep!

21 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:53am

re: #16 sattv4u2

Was this posted by a facebook user, or by FACEBOOK itself?

If it was FACEBOOK itself, Mark Zuckerberg (founder and CEO) should be getting a visit from the Secret Service IMMEDIATLY

And if the former (posted by a user) how long did it take the admins at FaceBook to yank it down?

22 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:31:59am

Secret Service - do your duty

23 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #15 MandyManners

Mandy, this kind of thing WILL incite nuts to action. To me, this is the same as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. We are supposed to be a civilized nation. No matter what we think of our president individually, polling on wether or not he should be assassinated is IMO, criminal speech. Threatening the life of any POTUS, no matter how it is couched must be dealt with swiftly and harshly. We cannot devolve into this madness.

24 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:34:05am

Staggering to me what's going on here. This stuff isn't cute, it isn't funny, and it IS dangerous. From the thought to the word is a long step; from the word to the deed, not quite so long.

Ideas have consequences, and words find actors.

25 Neutral President  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:34:39am

re: #10 johnnygriswold

What's wrong with people??

Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory

26 Ray in TX  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:35:17am

re: #7 Summer

I'm glad they're investigating. I do remember that girl in high school who had something on facebook about killing Bush, however, and many on the left were up in arms when the Secret Service investigated her. Screams of "tyrant" were heard and "child abuse" because they questioned her.

It was right to question her. I assume that maybe the left thinks perhaps that's not such a bad fucking idea now after all?

re: #15 MandyManners

Why? Doesn't the First Amendment cover the most vile speech as long as it is not inciting someone to action?

You must be new to this country.

You can speak freely, as long as you watch what you say. Also, if you do want to speak freely, we have cordoned off a special area (way over there) for exercising your first amendment rights.

If you don't hurry up and get over there - NOW -- we're going to have to tase and arrest you for disturbing the peace. Welcome to America!

27 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #23 CapeCoddah

Mandy, this kind of thing WILL incite nuts to action. To me, this is the same as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. We are supposed to be a civilized nation. No matter what we think of our president individually, polling on wether or not he should be assassinated is IMO, criminal speech. Threatening the life of any POTUS, no matter how it is couched must be dealt with swiftly and harshly. We cannot devolve into this madness.

Maybe I'm blind but, where's the threat? How is asking a question on the Internet the same as shouting fire in an actual building?

28 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:36:01am

Geez - I think I found another one, sorry to say

www-dot-quibblo-dot-com/quiz/aVZFFsM/what-do-u-think-about-obama

Somebody tell me this isn't what it looks like.

29 SixDegrees  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #7 Summer

I'm glad they're investigating. I do remember that girl in high school who had something on facebook about killing Bush, however, and many on the left were up in arms when the Secret Service investigated her. Screams of "tyrant" were heard and "child abuse" because they questioned her.

It was right to question her. I assume that maybe the left thinks perhaps that's not such a bad fucking idea now after all?

It was not only right; it's mandatory. The Secret Service is required to investigate all threats made against the President.

Lots of times this just means a cursory glance; sometimes a quick visit with the idiot responsible is enough to wake them up. But woe unto anyone at the Secret Service that fails to examine such a threat.

30 bosforus  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #27 MandyManners

In this case, it consolidates and legitimizes a twisted and horrific mentality.

31 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:37:14am

re: #26 Ray in TX

You must be new to this country.

You can speak freely, as long as you watch what you say. Also, if you do want to speak freely, we have cordoned off a special area (way over there) for exercising your first amendment rights.

If you don't hurry up and get over there - NOW -- we're going to have to tase and arrest you for disturbing the peace. Welcome to America!

So, are you being sarcastic, or do you think that this poll should have been covered by freedom of speech? Simple question. I didn't even ask for a link this time.

32 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #27 MandyManners

Maybe I'm blind but, where's the threat? How is asking a question on the Internet the same as shouting fire in an actual building?

Someone would inevitably take the appearance of the question, and any non-zero response in the affirmative, to mean that he/she should do the country the "honor" of trying to off the President.

33 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:37:32am

re: #28 Pianobuff

Geez - I think I found another one, sorry to say

www-dot-quibblo-dot-com/quiz/aVZFFsM/what-do-u-thi nk-about-obama

Somebody tell me this isn't what it looks like.

And this is the user page. Probably stanky stuff.

www-dot-quibblo.com/user/just_me_528

34 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:38:11am

re: #33 Pianobuff

And this is the user page. Probablyetty stanky stuff.

www-dot-quibblo.com/user/just_me_528

PIMF

35 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:39:10am

re: #22 Guanxi88

Secret Service - do your duty

Speaking of which:

New Book Says Secret Service Cut Corners on Obama's Protection

The U.S. Secret Service has cut corners in ways that may have jeopardized the safety of President Obama, according to a new book by a veteran Washington journalist and author, Ron Kessler. The book, "In the President's Secret Service: Behind the Scenes with Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect," details instances of "laxness in how they protect" Obama, according to a source at Random House, which will officially release the book Aug. 4.

Note, however:

But neither the publisher nor Kessler himself, in an interview, would say what corners were cut or what the laxness entailed and how they endangered the president.

Now, that could either be evidence of sloppiness and/or sensationalism; or it could be that Kessler really knows something, but does not want to say what these "cut corners" are, out of fear that bad guys could take advantage of it. I do hope he's wrong.

36 Fenris  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:39:18am

Retrospective'd.

Obviously, one does not excuse the other, but it's good to know.

37 erraticsphinx  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:39:22am

I think people forget that the President is HEAD OF STATE.

He's not just head of government, he is also a representative of our nation as a whole. He deserves respect, not matter what political party/orientation you are.

38 Summer Seale  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:39:26am

re: #29 SixDegrees

It was not only right; it's mandatory. The Secret Service is required to investigate all threats made against the President.

Lots of times this just means a cursory glance; sometimes a quick visit with the idiot responsible is enough to wake them up. But woe unto anyone at the Secret Service that fails to examine such a threat.

I know. I completely agree and anyone who threatens any President has to be investigated. Couldn't agree with you more and I know they are legally bound to do so. =)

39 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #3 Sharmuta

Whoever is behind this should have the book thrown at them.

And whoever voted "yes" in that poll, as well.

40 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:40:35am

Charles - see my #33. I'm not seeing any other reporting on this site. Is it worth updating your post to break/include this?

41 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #27 MandyManners

Maybe I'm blind but, where's the threat? How is asking a question on the Internet the same as shouting fire in an actual building?

You are sane, I am sane. We would not see it in a way a deranged person would. I do not like or agree with the president. BUT, at the moment, he IS my president. If he were harmed as a result of something like this, this country would be unrecognizable tomorrow morning. I want the president VOTED out of office, not carried out. Sane folk cannot think like crazy folk. We can never understand what set them off. Stuff like this is fuel on an already dangerous fire. This kind of thing must not be allowed, regarding ANY president. We will forfeit who we so proudly are if we don't understand that.

42 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:42:15am

re: #17 erraticsphinx

Is there anything the secret service can actually do to them, though, legally? Couldn't they just claim "Hey, we were just gauging opinion!"?

Idiots, nevertheless.

I don't think any law was broken here, formally speaking (arguable, though; does this itself constitute "threatening" the President, etc.). But investigation by the USSS is certainly warranted.

43 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:42:29am

re: #32 thedopefishlives

To follow up on my statement with an analogy, what harm is done in posting jihadist propaganda on the Internet? Not all jihadist films contain direct calls to their viewers to embrace the way of violent jihad, and yet it is clear that videos of IED's, Juba snipers, etc., are demoralizing to American morale as well as recruitment tools for potential lone wolf terrorist agents. I think you and I would both agree, Mandy, that posting of jihad propaganda is something that should not (and is not) permitted, even if it is not directly inciting to violence.

44 SixDegrees  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:42:44am

re: #15 MandyManners

Why? Doesn't the First Amendment cover the most vile speech as long as it is not inciting someone to action?

Threatening the President with bodily harm or death is a crime. See here for details.

It is extremely rare for anyone to be incarcerated over such threats. The Secret Service is quite diligent about investigating them - as they're required to do - but in most cases the visit alone is sufficient to impress upon the idiot how serious this offense can be. Mostly, especially in the Internet age, it's just some jackass blowing off steam who would never venture out of his mommy's basement and let sunlight touch his skin, let alone even begin to carry out such an act. But if an investigation shows even the slightest seriousness, the threatener will find themselves in front of a judge in Federal court very quickly.

45 arethusa  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:42:56am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

I find this hard to believe without hearing more from the author/publisher. As a candidate Obama got Secret Service protection very quickly - only two months or so after his campaign began (May 2007), the earliest of any candidate ever. At the time it was said to be because of threats against him.

46 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:43:12am

re: #2 thedopefishlives

How absolutely STUPID do you have to be to actually openly post something as ridiculous as this? Are there really people who are so unhinged that they can't foresee the results of their utterly idiotic actions?

Yes. There are those that have been posting on another website, a deuce of a website out there who have been engaging in just such crap. They are evidence that yes, Virgina, there are people that unhinged out there.

47 Ray in TX  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:43:31am

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

So, are you being sarcastic, or do you think that this poll should have been covered by freedom of speech? Simple question. I didn't even ask for a link this time.

It should not have been covered.

I thought my sarcasm in that post was delivered with an extra dose of dripping.

48 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #40 Pianobuff

Charles - see my #33. I'm not seeing any other reporting on this site. Is it worth updating your post to break/include this?

Man - something else I'm noticing as I go into the user profile. The person refers to him/herself as "KT". KT? Hopefully it's just a coincidence, but I hope noone is going after our KT.

Hmmm.

49 Lee Coller  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:43:53am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

Now, that could either be evidence of sloppiness and/or sensationalism; or it could be that Kessler really knows something, but does not want to say what these "cut corners" are, out of fear that bad guys could take advantage of it. I do hope he's wrong.

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sell books.

50 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:44:51am

re: #39 reine.de.tout

And whoever voted "yes" in that poll, as well.

I think it's rather cowardly to wish death on the President instead of finding ideas the American public would accept more than his. They can't win in the marketplace of ideas, so they resort to this. Pathetic.

51 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #49 Lee Coller

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sell books.

Nail/ Head!

52 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:45:54am

re: #33 Pianobuff

And this is the user page. Probably stanky stuff.

www-dot-quibblo.com/user/just_me_528

Holy fuck, Batman!

Absolutely disgusting.

53 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:45:58am

re: #32 thedopefishlives

Someone would inevitably take the appearance of the question, and any non-zero response in the affirmative, to mean that he/she should do the country the "honor" of trying to off the President.

Only if that person thinks that the radio has special messages for him.

54 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:46:49am

re: #53 MandyManners

Only if that person thinks that the radio has special messages for him.

I hear special messages from Matrix Direct Insurance all the time.

55 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #47 Ray in TX

It should not have been covered.

I thought my sarcasm in that post was delivered with an extra dose of dripping.

Ray -
Sarcasm isn't always evident.
When you see a post with a " / " at the end, that is the "sarc" tag.

Just pointing it out. You can use it or not, as you wish. But it does add to the understanding, especially if folks don't know you.

56 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #30 bosforus

In this case, it consolidates and legitimizes a twisted and horrific mentality.

How does it legitimize it? It's on a social networking site on the freakin' Internet!

57 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #53 MandyManners

Only if that person thinks that the radio has special messages for him.

If we lived in a world where everyone was perfectly mentally stable, there would be no LGF2.

58 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:47:49am

re: #45 arethusa

I find this hard to believe without hearing more from the author/publisher. As a candidate Obama got Secret Service protection very quickly - only two months or so after his campaign began (May 2007), the earliest of any candidate ever. At the time it was said to be because of threats against him.

I've only leafed through the book, so FWIW... one argument I did see the author making is that the USSS is currently outgunned. He describes them as being armed with sidearms and the H&K MP5, which fires a 9mm pistol round, with so-so stopping power and inability to penetrate modern body armor. The thing is, living in DC, I can see that at least in part, his information is out of date; I've seen USSS presidential details and tactical teams fielding the Colt M4, and FN P90. The presidential motorcade ALWAYS has guys in on open-backed SUV with M4s at the ready.

59 Dianna  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #15 MandyManners

Why? Doesn't the First Amendment cover the most vile speech as long as it is not inciting someone to action?

That was an argument made before.

I honestly think this is incitement. There are a lot of people who are not exactly tightly wrapped.

60 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #57 thedopefishlives

If we lived in a world where everyone was perfectly mentally stable, there would be no LGF2.

LOL! And those nuts are exactly the types who post these kind of polls.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #49 Lee Coller

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sell books.

I sure hope that's all it is.

62 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #7 Summer

I'm glad they're investigating. I do remember that girl in high school who had something on facebook about killing Bush, however, and many on the left were up in arms when the Secret Service investigated her. Screams of "tyrant" were heard and "child abuse" because they questioned her.

It was right to question her. I assume that maybe the left thinks perhaps that's not such a bad fucking idea now after all?

"Everybody does it" is a teenager's defense. But yeah, I don't care to hear too much outrage from the people who applauded this lefty wetdream.

That said, the Obama death poll is wrong and worrisome, and I hope that's as het up as the fringe gets.

63 Silvergirl  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:49:03am

re: #39 reine.de.tout

And whoever voted "yes" in that poll, as well.

Sadly, I don't think they could touch the voters. Couldn't they say it was clicking the wrong spot on the poll? They could investigate them, but a slip of the mouse might be valid. The person who set up the poll has no way out.

64 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:49:40am

On this topic:

Oh.

My.

God.

Nothing could be worse for the country than what that poll was suggesting.


God protect us from these maniacs.

65 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:49:48am

re: #53 MandyManners

Only if that person thinks that the radio has special messages for him.

You never know who's out there, picking up Radio Saturn on his bridgework.

66 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:50:06am

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

LOL! And those nuts are exactly the types who post these kind of polls.

Which is, in a roundabout way, my point. It's not people like us that we have to worry about; it's people who have more than a few screws loose, whose mental pathways are beyond our ability to understand, people who are just looking for that one tiny glimmer of a spark to ignite the raging fire of lunacy in their head.

67 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #59 Dianna

That was an argument made before.

I honestly think this is incitement. There are a lot of people who are not exactly tightly wrapped.

Yep, it's incitement, all right, every bit as nasty (maybe more so, given broader distribution via facebook) as that "Obama the enemy of G-d" stuff from that whacky Nirther cult:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

68 bosforus  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:50:36am

re: #56 MandyManners

It doesn't legitimize it to everyone, you're right. Just to those of that ilk. They'll feel their dreams of murdering the president are actually gaining popularity.

69 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:50:41am

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

70 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:50:44am

re: #63 Silvergirl

Sadly, I don't think they could touch the voters. Couldn't they say it was clicking the wrong spot on the poll? They could investigate them, but a slip of the mouse might be valid. The person who set up the poll has no way out.

You might have a point.
But everybody who hit that "yes" button should at least get a visit or a call. People at least need to understand the gravity of what they're doing with things like that.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:51:31am

re: #63 Silvergirl

Sadly, I don't think they could touch the voters. Couldn't they say it was clicking the wrong spot on the poll? They could investigate them, but a slip of the mouse might be valid. The person who set up the poll has no way out.

Unless the poll was put up by the FBI or USSS to try and weed out some crazies?

72 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:51:54am

re: #66 thedopefishlives

Which is, in a roundabout way, my point. It's not people like us that we have to worry about; it's people who have more than a few screws loose, whose mental pathways are beyond our ability to understand, people who are just looking for that one tiny glimmer of a spark to ignite the raging fire of lunacy in their head.

I know. To use a phrase that is often used,
I have a bad feeling about this.

73 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:51:58am

Consolidating some earlier posts...

Another "Assasinate Obama" Poll/Quiz only hours old.
Pollster's Home Page with Obama on a Monkey's body.

The person identifies "herself" as KT.

Highly suspicious, no?

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:51:59am

re: #48 Pianobuff

Man - something else I'm noticing as I go into the user profile. The person refers to him/herself as "KT". KT? Hopefully it's just a coincidence, but I hope noone is going after our KT.

Hmmm.

Huh? I'm a little confused.

75 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:52:28am

re: #8 MrSilverDragon

...and any type of advocation to the death of another? Wow, folks, way to devolve...

Such advocating is a "sin", not that the idea of sin has a lot of currency anymore.

76 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:52:37am

re: #69 MandyManners

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

In the eyes of the USSS, in regards to the President, yes.

77 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #69 MandyManners

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

Well ,, now that you've announced that you're going to it's a little late to ask if you should!!

//

78 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:52:41am

re: #69 MandyManners

It's not threatening in and of itself. It could, however, be construed as incitement for SOMEONE ELSE to threaten or cause harm to the President. To abuse the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy, it'd be like telling someone else it's a good idea to shout fire in a crowded theater.

79 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:52:52am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Huh? I'm a little confused.

I'm wondering if someone is trying to prank you in the worst way possible.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Huh? I'm a little confused.

Welcome to my world!

81 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:15am

If someone kinda/sorta wants to kill the president, how does an Internet poll push that person to make the plans to do so, and actually go through with the attempt?

82 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:18am

re: #69 MandyManners

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

In this case, I'd say asking the question sounds like making the suggestion.

Imagine you're at the company picnic and a co-worker suddenly asks, "how many folks here think we should lynch black people?"

It would not simply be a question, right?

83 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:21am

re: #69 MandyManners

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

I think there's a difference between a threat to do something, and an incitement to others to do something. I would think this would fall more under "incitement". As in, suggesting it might be an OK think to do.

84 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #81 MandyManners

If someone kinda/sorta wants to kill the president, how does an Internet poll push that person to make the plans to do so, and actually go through with the attempt?

If I knew the answer to that, Mandy, I would launch a psychiatric practice and make millions curing people.

85 arethusa  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:53:54am

I have to say, lots of Facebook quizzes are incredibly tasteless. So it doesn't really surprise me that a question like that would be thought "cool." That's no excuse, of course. Seems to me that lots of people, left and right, young and old, need to stop and think or to learn some manners (putting it mildly).

86 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #69 MandyManners

To me, Mandy, that statement is looking for approval to kill fluffy bunnies. There is something SERIOUSLY awry with whomever posted that poll. They are dangerous. No sane person would even think of posting such a poll.

87 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:14am

re: #73 Pianobuff

Something doesn't fit about that "about me" page. The weirdo claims to live on the border of Texas and California.

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #73 Pianobuff

This person says:

Hi im KT and im not 24 im 11.I live on the border of Texas and California

This is a moron.

89 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #81 MandyManners

If someone kinda/sorta wants to kill the president, how does an Internet poll push that person to make the plans to do so, and actually go through with the attempt?

If the person is unstable, if the person sees a lot of support for doing it, if the person sees the poll as his/her justification. All it took was a talking dog to convince the "son of Sam" killer to do what he did.

90 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:37am

I am not arguing that the Secret Service should not investigate. To the contrary, it would be derelict in its duty to not do so.

91 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:42am

Hmm. The screen shot of the poll says that 731 people have participated, and that someone has to vote and approve the application (whatever that means) to see the results.

I suppose we can hope that all 731 people voted No. Sadly, that's probably not the case.

In any event, even thinking that creating a poll like this is acceptable behavior shows a disturbing mindset IMO.

92 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:54:57am

re: #79 Pianobuff

I'm wondering if someone is trying to prank you in the worst way possible.

Ah, ok. I see it now. It's probably nothing. It seems to be a site for kids, probably just a coincidence.

93 Ray in TX  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:55:34am

re: #55 reine.de.tout

Ray -
Sarcasm isn't always evident.
When you see a post with a " / " at the end, that is the "sarc" tag.

Just pointing it out. You can use it or not, as you wish. But it does add to the understanding, especially if folks don't know you.

ok, thanks for that. I was not aware there was a special identifier for that :P

94 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:06am

re: #93 Ray in TX

ok, thanks for that. I was not aware there was a special identifier for that :P

There isn't..
//

95 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:16am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. I see it now. It's probably nothing. It seems to be a site for kids, probably just a coincidence.

Probably right, but felt that I ought to mention it, just in case.

96 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. I see it now. It's probably nothing. It seems to be a site for kids, probably just a coincidence.

Did you see the quiz?

97 arethusa  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #70 reine.de.tout

You might have a point.
But everybody who hit that "yes" button should at least get a visit or a call. People at least need to understand the gravity of what they're doing with things like that.

Actually, I assume Facebook has some kind of privacy guarantee that covers this. I think they can and should get the identity of the person who designed the quiz, but the voters? Maybe not legally.

98 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:55am

re: #81 MandyManners

If someone kinda/sorta wants to kill the president, how does an Internet poll push that person to make the plans to do so, and actually go through with the attempt?

How did the movie "natural born killers" incite Sarah Edmonson and her boyfriend to go on a killing spree?

99 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:56:59am

re: #81 MandyManners

It gives a peek into a crazy mind, who would post something like that if they would not do it or want to see it done. It is sick.

100 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:57:06am

re: #90 MandyManners

I am not arguing that the Secret Service should not investigate. To the contrary, it would be derelict in its duty to not do so.

Just playing Devil's Advocate for those of us who like to jump straight into the fray about incitement without stopping to think of the First Amendment concerns.

101 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:57:18am

re: #97 arethusa

Actually, I assume Facebook has some kind of privacy guarantee that covers this. I think they can and should get the identity of the person who designed the quiz, but the voters? Maybe not legally.

There is NO privacy on facebook.

102 ointmentfly  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:57:48am

re: #90 MandyManners

I am not arguing that the Secret Service should not investigate. To the contrary, it would be derelict in its duty to not do so.

The dude needs to have his house torn up and his hard drive searched simply for for being a dumbass and getting too close to the line.

That said, asking if Obama should be killed could have been an exercise to see how many nuts are really out there.

103 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:57:59am

re: #96 Pianobuff

Did you see the quiz?

I just found it. Those with access should probably report that one.

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:57:59am

re: #101 reine.de.tout

There is NO privacy on facebook.

Even if I cover my face while there?

/

105 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:58:12am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. I see it now. It's probably nothing. It seems to be a site for kids, probably just a coincidence.

I don't think so. That poll is just as sinister, IMHO, as the Facebook one.

106 bosforus  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:58:28am

re: #91 subsailor68

That "approval" thing just means that the application is allowed to access your facebook page and display itself on your profile page. It's standard fare for all facebook quizzes.

107 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:58:48am

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

I don't think so. That poll is just as sinister, IMHO, as the Facebook one.

About it being a "site for kids".

PIMF, PIMF.

108 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:59:31am

re: #98 reine.de.tout

How did the movie "natural born killers" incite Sarah Edmonson and her boyfriend to go on a killing spree?

Oliver Stone thought that movie said something about America. I think it told us a lot more about Oliver Stone's twisted mind.

109 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 11:59:52am

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

There isn't..
//

I'm too clever for myself sometimes. *whack*

110 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:00:36pm

re: #78 thedopefishlives

It's not threatening in and of itself. It could, however, be construed as incitement for SOMEONE ELSE to threaten or cause harm to the President. To abuse the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy, it'd be like telling someone else it's a good idea to shout fire in a crowded theater.

(Assuming, of course, that the crowded theater is not actually on fire!)

111 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

I'm too clever for myself sometimes. *whack*

Walter. We would appreciate it if you whacked yourself in private


umm, wait ,, WHAT!?!?!

/

112 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:01:09pm

[CITE: 18USC373]


TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

113 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

How did the movie "natural born killers" incite Sarah Edmonson and her boyfriend to go on a killing spree?

Items in pop culture have been used to explain acts of violence for a long time. John Lennon was murdered because of Catcher in the Rye, for example.

114 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Items in pop culture have been used to explain acts of violence for a long time. John Lennon was murdered because of Catcher in the Rye, for example.

Or the recent craze about video games and child killers.

115 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:01:55pm

Okay, this poll crap is completely out of line, and no laughing matter.

But, when it comes to the moron who put it up - and says he lives on the border of Texas and California - well, I do have an idea of how to identify him.

Just post an article saying that the President "spent the day meeting with state leaders in Arizona and New Mexico".

Whoever says "Huh?" That's the guy.

116 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:02:36pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

How did the movie "natural born killers" incite Sarah Edmonson and her boyfriend to go on a killing spree?

Finally, in March 2001, the wrongful death suit was dismissed against Stone and Time Warner, etc. because there was no evidence that they had intended to incite violence. The Court of Appeals upheld this ruling in 2002.

117 arethusa  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:02:48pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

Facebook privacy policy. I'm not defending these people in any way, believe me. I'm just saying that Facebook has an agreement with users about privacy. They've already been sued over this.

And the best way to get privacy on Facebook? Don't use it.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

Walter. We would appreciate it if you whacked yourself in private


umm, wait ,, WHAT!?!?!

/

However, if you refer to the "Privacy Policy" linked at the bottom of each thread page ... ... ...

119 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Items in pop culture have been used to explain acts of violence for a long time. John Lennon was murdered because of Catcher in the Rye, for example.

There was also Hinckley, who had the Jodie Foster fetish.

120 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:03:22pm

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

I agreed the poll is just as bad but it's not someone trying to frame me. 1) they'd be more obvious about it 2) the visit from the Secret Service will be much more unpleasant for them than me.

121 Dreader1962  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:03:36pm

I think the best comparison would be picturing a room full of people posing the question - if this is overheard by the Secret Service, of course they would investigate. It becomes difficult to determine to what extent the investigation should progress. Obviously it would be a waste of time to dedicate the same level of resources to this as they would a specific threat they received. However, if the initial investigation demonstrates that the person has membership in various groups on watch lists or if they have suspicious travel or financial dealings, it may ramp up the investigation.

Also, do these polls have the ability to record who answered and what way they answered to the person who created the poll? This could speak to recruitment.

122 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:04:37pm

re: #119 Pianobuff

There was also Hinckley, who had the Jodie Foster fetish.

You say that like it's a bad thing!

//

123 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:04:48pm

I think these people should all be checked out by the Secret Service and perhaps prosecuted. I would, however, like to see some specifics on...

encouraged by GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts

124 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I agreed the poll is just as bad but it's not someone trying to frame me. 1) they'd be more obvious about it 2) the visit from the Secret Service will be much more unpleasant for them than me.

I figured that, under the circumstances, you'd rather know than not know, which was why I mentioned it. No bad intentions here.

125 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:04:57pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I agreed the poll is just as bad but it's not someone trying to frame me. 1) they'd be more obvious about it 2) the visit from the Secret Service will be much more unpleasant for them than me.

I agree that it's not someone trying to frame you. I only meant that it doesn't look like it is just a site for kids. See my #107 after I realized I hit post too fast for my #105 and realized what my #105 could say.

126 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #119 Pianobuff

Marilyn Manson and the Romeo and Juliette remake were excuses for a couple school shootings.

127 Dianna  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:05:10pm

re: #70 reine.de.tout

You might have a point.
But everybody who hit that "yes" button should at least get a visit or a call. People at least need to understand the gravity of what they're doing with things like that.

In some ways, I can't help but think that would be salutory. In another, I suspect it would be a colossal waste of time and resources for the Secret Service.

128 Gretchen  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:05:15pm

Sorry I can't blamer Glen Beck for 700 idiots on Facebook. Idiots are like the poor...they will always be with us. There was a play about killing Bush for goodness sakes, that's a lot more organized and takes a bit more planning than 700 idiots signing a Facebook page. To produce a play takes a lot of writing, backers, actors, directors, etc, plus paying patrons.

BFD 700 people sign a petition on Facebook, yeah the people are morons, but it isn't proof of anything else.

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:05:22pm

re: #124 Pianobuff

Thanks for bringing it up.

130 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:05:25pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

2) the visit from the Secret Service will be much more unpleasant for them than me.

You might want to explain that line, Killgore.

(I think I know what you mean, but imagine for a moment you're a USSS agent reading it.)

131 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:07:12pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

You might want to explain that line, Killgore.

(I think I know what you mean, but imagine for a moment you're a USSS agent reading it.)

Ah, yes. Whoever put up that poll is going to get a very unpleasant visit from the Secret Service, not me.

132 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Marilyn Manson and the Romeo and Juliette remake were excuses for a couple school shootings.

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

133 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:07:40pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

You say that like it's a bad thing!

//

I have a close friend who cheerfully admits to his Jodie Foster fetish. (I think she's okay, but not fetish material...)

Props to Jodie; her movie The Brave One could be seen as a validation of the right to self-defense. (Even if the scenes of her "training" in how to use her Kahr K9 were kind of laughable.)

134 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:07:44pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

Jesuits & Masons.

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:08:28pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

You might want to explain that line, Killgore.

(I think I know what you mean, but imagine for a moment you're a USSS agent reading it.)

(Y' really don' expect him to trout out his affection for violins, do ya?)

/I'm sure glad YOU brought it up ... I didn't want to hammer him ... :D

136 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:08:42pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Booth blamed Republicans.

137 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

I suspect clowns and mimes, but could be wrong.

138 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:09:37pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Ah, yes. Whoever put up that poll is going to get a very unpleasant visit from the Secret Service, not me.

10-4. Pesky pronouns!

139 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:09:57pm

Note the obligatory "klever" use of Russian-looking letters to spell "Barack" in the pic of Obama on that poll.

140 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

Sir Glenn Of Beck

141 Racer X  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:10:39pm

re: #128 Gretchen

I absolutely blame Glenn Beck and the moronic pundits on the right. They are becoming more loony every day. If this craziness does not stop soon there will be blood shed, and the pundits will have some of that blood on their hands.

Think for one second what damage would be done to America if our president was assassinated by some asshole? Think about the riots. Think about the blowback for anyone who ever opposed Obama. I want no part of that at all period.

142 Kragar  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:10:49pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

Angels, demons, satan, the classics.

143 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:10:56pm

re: #137 subsailor68

I suspect clowns and mimes, but could be wrong.

Jongleurs, I think they were called.

144 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:11:02pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Finally, in March 2001, the wrongful death suit was dismissed against Stone and Time Warner, etc. because there was no evidence that they had intended to incite violence. The Court of Appeals upheld this ruling in 2002.

Correct.
But the two kids were clearly influenced by the movie.

145 jaunte  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:12:27pm

One example of the talk show hosts mentioned:

Right wing pundit Bob Haa, whose station -- WWJB AM 1450 -- also airs Neoconservative talkers like Sean Hannity and Michael Savage, says he made no threat against President Barack Obama when a listener called up to talk about his ammunition collection and antipathy toward the current administration.

"A caller calls in, and man this guy is torqued," explained listener Craig Bolton, who spoke with The St. Petersburg Times. "He says, 'Man, I'm ticked and frustrated at Obama, I'm loading up on ammunition, I'm going to be practicing.' And Haa says, 'Don't be wasting it on targets. Save it for the administration.'"

The Times had to get a paraphrase from a listener because, surprisingly, audio of the show is unavailable.

"Why would I say something like that?" Haa asked a Hernando Today reporter. "That's stupid."

He further told the reporter that his shows are not regularly taped, though since "[there's] a real nationwide effort to go after conservatives," future broadcasts will be recorded.


Radio host visited by Secret Service after alleged threat against Obama

146 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:12:59pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?

Demons. Evil spirits. That sort of thing.

I think we see people pin violent acts on pop culture because they can't use supernatural excuses anymore, and culture is a good substitute when factoring in psychological factors.

147 gregb  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #16 sattv4u2

Was this posted by a facebook user, or by FACEBOOK itself?

If it was FACEBOOK itself, Mark Zuckerberg (founder and CEO) should be getting a visit from the Secret Service IMMEDIATLY

From the screenshot above, it looks like an individual used a fairly common automated "vote" quiz program. Both the author and the hosting company not affiliated.

What do facebook quizzes really know about you?
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

148 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:13:33pm

re: #127 Dianna

In some ways, I can't help but think that would be salutory. In another, I suspect it would be a colossal waste of time and resources for the Secret Service.

Might be, Dianna, I wouldn't want to be the one having to make that judgment call.

But if it was ADULTS hitting that yes button - they need to be checked and at least scared out of their wits for doing something so stupid.

And if it was KIDS hitting that button - their parents need need to know.

149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:13:38pm

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Angels, demons, satan, the classics.

During Wat Tyler's Rebellion (1381) it was the English nobility and clerics.

150 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Correct.
But the two kids were clearly influenced by the movie.

Well... I'm reminded of the parents who sued Disney (I think) after their teen son lay down on the median divider of a highway, apparently imitating the scene in some football movie, and was killed. I'm sorry, but if you're dumb enough to lie down on a busy highway, society can't protect you. The problem was the kid's stupidity, not the movie.

151 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:14:35pm

re: #143 Guanxi88

Jongleurs, I think they were called.

Hi Guan! I do believe you're right! And the most famous, of course, was their intrepid leader George of the Jongleur. "George, George, George of the Jongleur, friend to me and thee."

152 jvic  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:14:47pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The internet brings out the stupid in people.

It started as an information highway. Then they added a bordello. Now, next to the bordello, they built a Colisseum for the mobs: a Colisseum that is much more interactive than the one the Romans built.

153 Racer X  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:14:56pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

Might be, Dianna, I wouldn't want to be the one having to make that judgment call.

But if it was ADULTS hitting that yes button - they need to be checked and at least scared out of their wits for doing something so stupid.

And if it was KIDS hitting that button - their parents need need to know.

I say even if the adults hit the yes button their parents should be notified.

154 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:15:00pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Well... I'm reminded of the parents who sued Disney (I think) after their teen son lay down on the median divider of a highway, apparently imitating the scene in some football movie, and was killed. I'm sorry, but if you're dumb enough to lie down on a busy highway, society can't protect you. The problem was the kid's stupidity, not the movie.

Agreed, and it was correct for the court to find Stone and the movie had no culpability.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that those kids were clearly STUPID enough to be influenced. Just like some folks who might be hitting that "yes" button in that poll

155 jaunte  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:15:09pm

GOP politicians:

Who, really, in America wants to be led by anyone who’s thinking any distance close to people with guns advocating armed violence and revolution against the head of our government?

Grassley, a Republican U.S. senator from Iowa who’s been opposing the Democrats’ health care reform proposals, apparently just went along with his town hall meeting after a man said he would “take a gun to Washington if enough of you would go with me.”
[Link: pubrecord.org...]

At Twin Falls, Idaho, this week, Republicans at a rally were talking about wolf hunting licenses. Someone in the crowd asked about “Obama tags.” GOP governor candidate Rex Rammell responded, “The Obama tags? We’d buy some of those.”


Why the GOP tolerance for assassination talk?

156 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:15:21pm

re: #145 jaunte

One example of the talk show hosts mentioned:


Radio host visited by Secret Service after alleged threat against Obama

The Stupid (tm) is strong with this one.

157 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #152 jvic

It started as an information highway. Then they added a bordello. Now, next to the bordello, they built a Colisseum for the mobs: a Colisseum that is much more interactive than the one the Romans built.

There's a great image right there! Perfect synopsis.

158 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:15:58pm

Since we're talking about strange stuff...

I started watching this show last night on a German couple (2 males) who decided that, for the ultimate erotic thrill, one would eat the other. By the time the police figured things out, the living guy had consumed 20 kilos of his boyfriend. He was fighting the charges saying that he had his lover's permission.

I had to turn it off. It was so twisted.

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:16:25pm

re: #152 jvic

It started as an information highway. Then they added a bordello. Now, next to the bordello, they built a Colisseum for the mobs: a Colisseum that is much more interactive than the one the Romans built.

UP-ding!

160 bosforus  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:16:35pm

To all the right-wingers-gone-nut-jobs:
Dance Hall Crashers: Shelley

Why are you listening to all the things they tell you everyday?
Why are you listening, what happened to your own mind anyway?
Why are you listening to their advice on what to watch and do?
Why are you listening, has your mind been overrun - what do I do?

I don't know how they pulled you fast and buried all the trace of the
past
I don't know how you left so fast - I really hope that this won't last.
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley listen to me.

What are you doing? It's been so long, I never even see you
What are you doing? You're a different girl but I don't know who
What are you doing? Fall asleep and disappear for days
What are you doing? Come back flying in a total haze

I don't know how they pulled you fast and buried all the trace of the
past
I don't know how you left so fast - I really hope that this won't last.
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley listen to me

What are you thinking? I suspect you're losing it for good
What are you thinking? Promise I would save you if I could
What are you thinking? I probably don't even wanna know
What are you thinking? Please just say goodbye before you go

I don't know how they pulled you fast and buried all the trace of the
past
I don't know how you left so fast - I really hope that this won't last.
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley
Oh Shelley listen to me

161 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:16:48pm

re: #155 jaunte

Dump the GOP.

It is going nowhere.

162 Racer X  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:17:10pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

I could have gone the whole day year life without reading that.

163 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Correct.
But the two kids were clearly influenced by the movie.

The Facebook poll is a sign of the times, but I doubt in and of itself it could cause anyone to take action. Should it be investigated? Up the wazoo! Of course.

I'm far more concerned about people listening to a "charismatic" pastor somewhere talking about how he wants Obama dead, and Michelle and the girls to be widowed and orphaned. Especially when followers of that same pastor end up bringing guns to presidential rallies.

Any updates on that precherman, by the way?

164 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:17:38pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Vaudevillians?

Vaudeville? Vaudville's dead, son. Ya know what killed it? The talkies. But stick with me, kid. These days, ya need an angle. Me? I'm a tumbler. - Family guy.

165 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:18:06pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

Since we're talking about strange stuff...

I started watching this show last night on a German couple (2 males) who decided that, for the ultimate erotic thrill, one would eat the other. By the time the police figured things out, the living guy had consumed 20 kilos of his boyfriend. He was fighting the charges saying that he had his lover's permission.

I had to turn it off. It was so twisted.

Well, there goes my plan to have sauer kraut for dinner tonight.

166 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #164 Guanxi88

Vaudeville? Vaudville's dead, son. Ya know what killed it? The talkies. But stick with me, kid. These days, ya need an angle. Me? I'm a tumbler. - Family guy.

Well, the Aristocrats still get play every now and then.

167 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

Since we're talking about strange stuff...

I started watching this show last night on a German couple (2 males) who decided that, for the ultimate erotic thrill, one would eat the other. By the time the police figured things out, the living guy had consumed 20 kilos of his boyfriend. He was fighting the charges saying that he had his lover's permission.

I had to turn it off. It was so twisted.

Could you see them having a lover's spat... literally...

168 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

Now that is sick and twisted shit. One must wonder, however, which part of the anatomy was first, and which was to be last.

169 Racer X  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:15pm

re: #161 Ojoe

Dump the GOP.

It is going nowhere.

I've never been a member of the GOP, I've never given them a dollar. Never will if they keep this crap up. I encourage anyone who is a member to speak up and let them know they are about to lose a lot of financial support if they keep this up.

170 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

Since we're talking about strange stuff...

I started watching this show last night on a German couple (2 males) who decided that, for the ultimate erotic thrill, one would eat the other. By the time the police figured things out, the living guy had consumed 20 kilos of his boyfriend. He was fighting the charges saying that he had his lover's permission.

I had to turn it off. It was so twisted.

I read about that. I don't think I could have watched anything about it. Twisted, indeed.

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:31pm

OT

Has this video been posted before?
The American Form of Government
It's great.

172 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:45pm

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

Now that is sick and twisted shit. One must wonder, however, which part of the anatomy was first, and which was to be last.

Well, since you asked...

I believe the penis went first, while he was still alive.

173 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:19:59pm
174 Dianna  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:20:40pm

re: #149 pre-Boomer Marine brat

During Wat Tyler's Rebellion (1381) it was the English nobility and clerics.

When Adam delved and Eve span,
Who was then the gentleman?

175 gregb  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:21:16pm

re: #91 subsailor68

Hmm. The screen shot of the poll says that 731 people have participated, and that someone has to vote and approve the application (whatever that means) to see the results.

I suppose we can hope that all 731 people voted No. Sadly, that's probably not the case.

In any event, even thinking that creating a poll like this is acceptable behavior shows a disturbing mindset IMO.

So did anyone answer yes? If so, I'm sure they should expect a visit too.

176 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:21:40pm

re: #169 Racer X

I've never been a member of the GOP, I've never given them a dollar. Never will if they keep this crap up. I encourage anyone who is a member to speak up and let them know they are about to lose a lot of financial support if they keep this up.

I've been registered R longer than I was registered D.

The Roi doesn't fine these Rep meltdowns nearly as painful as I do.
Maybe it's because he's registered as "no party affiliation".
Probably what I ought to do.

177 Dreader1962  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:21:56pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

I read about that. I don't think I could have watched anything about it. Twisted, indeed.

I dealt with enough twisted garbage when I was briefly in military justice. The mind always makes an effort to make sense of what it encounters, and there are just some cases where there is no sense or reason. Turning away (if possible) is the best way to keep one's sanity.

178 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:22:00pm

re: #174 Dianna

When Adam delved and Eve span,
Who was then the gentleman?

Ahh, another history buff!

179 Rexatosis  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:22:06pm

Anyone who was alive between the years of 1963-1975 (Assassinations of JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, RFK, the wounding of Gov. Wallace, and the attempts on Pres. Ford) and has an ounce of working brain matter knows how much this country was ripped apart by political assassination and political revolutionary movements. This kind of stuff is just plain dumb on so many levels.

180 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:22:14pm

re: #165 MandyManners

Well, there goes my plan to have sauer kraut for dinner tonight.

I'll take it.

181 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #180 Guanxi88

I'll take it.

Isn't that what the defendant said to the victim?

182 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:23:18pm

BBLre: #179 Rexatosis

It is more than dumb it is dangerous.

183 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:23:41pm

re: #177 Dreader1962

I dealt with enough twisted garbage when I was briefly in military justice. The mind always makes an effort to make sense of what it encounters, and there are just some cases where there is no sense or reason. Turning away (if possible) is the best way to keep one's sanity.

I know two different gentleman serving as paramedics in the worst parts of NYC. It definitely changes a person.

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:23:58pm

re: #179 Rexatosis

Anyone who was alive between the years of 1963-1975 (Assassinations of JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, RFK, the wounding of Gov. Wallace, and the attempts on Pres. Ford) and has an ounce of working brain matter knows how much this country was ripped apart by political assassination and political revolutionary movements. This kind of stuff is just plain dumb on so many levels.

If that's how you feel, then why did you up ding re: #128 Gretchen ?

Playing both sides of this story?

185 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:24:03pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Isn't that what the defendant said to the victim?

I was talking about the sauerkraut. The whacky Kraut, him you can keep.

186 Dreader1962  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:24:09pm

I'm on Facebook, but every time I get something from a Friend that requires approval for an application to run, I deny it. I have no idea how much can ride along with said 'application'.

I also don't care to see poll results, participate in them, or take a survey to find out what kind of car I would be.

187 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:24:28pm

Jet halted at LAX; two men are removed by police

A plane was stopped from taking off from Los Angeles International Airport, and two men on board were taken into custody, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

LAPD Lt. John Romero said the men, who appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent, were acting suspiciously.

A law enforcement source said at least one of the men ran into a restroom on the plane and appeared to hide while the New York-bound jet was taxiing on the runway, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case was ongoing.

The flight crew confronted the two men and made the decision to stop the plane before it took off, the source said. The men were taken into custody by heavily armed law enforcement officials.

The plane has been taken to a remote area of the airport to be searched by a bomb squad, sources said.

The LAPD's anti-terrorism unit and the FBI are on the case, but the source said it's too early to tell whether terrorism played any role in the incident.

188 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:25:21pm

re: #178 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ahh, another history buff!

I see you two are having a Ball.

189 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:25:44pm

re: #175 gregb

So did anyone answer yes? If so, I'm sure they should expect a visit too.

Hi gregb! I don't know - never tried to access it, and certainly wouldn't have voted in the thing just to see the results. If there are some freaks out there who voted yes, I'd really hope they were getting a visit as we speak.

As lizards have been saying, it's possible the guy who created the poll is just a moron.

But - if someone actually voted Yes - that's a very, very disturbing thing and I hope the Secret Service is jumping on them.

190 Dreader1962  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:25:50pm

re: #183 Pianobuff

I know two different gentleman serving as paramedics in the worst parts of NYC. It definitely changes a person.

Just deal with a child molestation case in which you have to be in the same room as the victim after reading the details - if you have an ounce of humanity, I dare you to keep your composure. It breaks your heart.

191 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:26:37pm

re: #186 Dreader1962

I'm on Facebook, but every time I get something from a Friend that requires approval for an application to run, I deny it. I have no idea how much can ride along with said 'application'.

I also don't care to see poll results, participate in them, or take a survey to find out what kind of car I would be.

I think every time you agree to use a poll or use one of those applications, FB takes your information, including information about the "friends" you have listed, and uses them for all sorts of advertising or other purposes.

I just "hide" all of those things.

192 Kragar  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:27:12pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I see you two are having a Ball.

A Ball did you say?

193 Pianobuff  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:27:24pm

re: #190 Dreader1962

Just deal with a child molestation case in which you have to be in the same room as the victim after reading the details - if you have an ounce of humanity, I dare you to keep your composure. It breaks your heart.

I don't know how people do it. I dare not believe that I could hold up through something like that.

194 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #190 Dreader1962

Just deal with a child molestation case in which you have to be in the same room as the victim after reading the details - if you have an ounce of humanity, I dare you to keep your composure. It breaks your heart.

I've met a friend of a friend who's with the US Attorney's office here in DC, who prosecutes, exclusively, child sexual abuse cases. She's this preternaturally cheerful, high-energy person. I have no idea how she maintains that.

195 Rexatosis  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:14pm

Re: # 184 Walter L. Newton

Facebook idiots are responsible for themselves and their own actions. Glenn Beck is responsible for himself and his actions.

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I see you two are having a Ball.

In this case, Dianna and I are Lollarding through the garden of historical trivia.

/and if y' want to know Wycliffs come into it, you'll have to ask a lemming

197 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:45pm

re: #69 MandyManners

How is asking a question the same as a threat?

I'M GONNA' KILL FLUFFY BUNNIES!

Is that the same as saying, "How many people think I should kill fluffy bunnies"?

Mandy, you seem to be the lone voice here championing free speech and also able to discern between a threat and a question. Too many responses (up to #69 which is as far as I have read the thread) are saying that this ugly poll should not be allowed since it might incite some whacko to the very action it questions.

So, since those commenters would like to withdraw freedom of speech for this stupid and vile poll, perhaps they would also like to withdraw it for other things we all find distasteful around here. Perhaps we could end the neo-Nazi problem by banning Mein Kampf or other known neo-Nazi texts and imagery. Perhaps we could end Islamic extremism by banning the Koran. If I recall, someone suggested that and destroyed his credibility with the owner of this blog and many others as well.

Are you all really certain that we should go there?

198 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:58pm

re: #193 Pianobuff

It is just that which stopped me from becoming a police officer. Don't know to this day if I could take a child rapist into custody and have him make it back to the station alive. So, I did not become a police officer.

199 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:28:59pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

I've met a friend of a friend who's with the US Attorney's office here in DC, who prosecutes, exclusively, child sexual abuse cases. She's this preternaturally cheerful, high-energy person. I have no idea how she maintains that.

She's a far better and stronger person than I think I could be. She is truly one who sustains the world.

200 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

It is a defense mechanism.

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In this case, Dianna and I are Lollarding through the garden of historical trivia.

/and if y' want to know Wycliffs come into it, you'll have to ask a lemming

(I think I just went over the edge ... :D)

202 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In this case, Dianna and I are Lollarding through the garden of historical trivia.

/and if y' want to know Wycliffs come into it, you'll have to ask a lemming

It's good that you two are exchanging peasant-ries, but I find it kind of revolting!

203 gregb  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #189 subsailor68

As lizards have been saying, it's possible the guy who created the poll is just a moron.


I was just trying to figure out what polling software app he used and given that, if we might dig up any more information.

204 jaunte  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #202 Occasional Reader

You may be in danger of breaking the Corn Laws.

205 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #198 CapeCoddah

It is just that which stopped me from becoming a police officer. Don't know to this day if I could take a child rapist into custody and have him make it back to the station alive. So, I did not become a police officer.

That's also why you were never hired as Mr. Polanski's chauffeur.

206 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:31:08pm

re: #197 CyanSnowHawk

Any type of threat or perceived threat against the POTUS must be dealt with harshly and immediately. No exceptions.

207 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In this case, Dianna and I are Lollarding through the garden of historical trivia.

/and if y' want to know Wycliffs come into it, you'll have to ask a lemming

Who's doing the glad handing?

208 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #202 Occasional Reader

It's good that you two are exchanging peasant-ries, but I find it kind of revolting!

Given the time period in question, that's a Gaunt defence.

209 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:34:02pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

Um, not going with the first response that came to mind...

210 3echo9  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:34:29pm

Ah yes, those mean old right wing radio hosts. I must have missed when Rush Limbaugh told people to go out on facebook and start up their Obama assassination poll... was it in the first hour? You know who is responsible for the poll, the individual who started it.

211 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:34:58pm

re: #197 CyanSnowHawk

Whoever posted it certainly has a faulty brain/keyboard filter.

212 jvic  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:36:10pm

re: #197 CyanSnowHawk

Mandy, you seem to be the lone voice here championing free speech and also able to discern between a threat and a question. Too many responses (up to #69 which is as far as I have read the thread) are saying that this ugly poll should not be allowed since it might incite some whacko to the very action it questions.

So, since those commenters would like to withdraw freedom of speech for this stupid and vile poll, perhaps they would also like to withdraw it for other things we all find distasteful around here. Perhaps we could end the neo-Nazi problem by banning Mein Kampf or other known neo-Nazi texts and imagery. Perhaps we could end Islamic extremism by banning the Koran. If I recall, someone suggested that and destroyed his credibility with the owner of this blog and many others as well.

Are you all really certain that we should go there?

Good point. Unfortunately I can't stay to discuss.

There is a difference between saying that the poll should be banned, and saying that the Secret Service should investigate whether it's a meaningful threat to the President.

My mind could be changed, but I'm inclined to come down on the side of free speech (while acknowledging that it's a risky issue and valid arguments exist on each side). However, IMO it would be crazy for the Secret Service not to investigate.

213 Dreader1962  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:36:16pm

re: #198 CapeCoddah

It is just that which stopped me from becoming a police officer. Don't know to this day if I could take a child rapist into custody and have him make it back to the station alive. So, I did not become a police officer.

One of the cases dealt with a male (I refrain from honoring with the appellation of 'man') who was luring little girls into his quarters with candy and molesting them. When he caught wind of the investigation, he went AWOL. A while later on a Saturday the MPs got a call of someone being chased by a mob and beaten. Turns out our slime-ball was trying to sneak back into his quarters to get some clothes and the fathers caught him. I suspect the MPs took their time getting to him.

214 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:38:22pm

re: #213 Dreader1962

I hope the MP's got stuck behind a slow moving convoy.

215 jaunte  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:39:29pm

re: #210 3echo9

Ah yes, those mean old right wing radio hosts. I must have missed when Rush Limbaugh told people to go out on facebook and start up their Obama assassination poll... was it in the first hour? You know who is responsible for the poll, the individual who started it.

The words "pandering, encouraging, and inflaming" don't mean exactly the same thing as "dictating." But you already know that.

216 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:39:46pm

re: #209 CapeCoddah

Um, not going with the first response that came to mind...

Like... he's have wound up in the trunk?

/

217 subsailor68  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:41:23pm

re: #197 CyanSnowHawk

Hi Cyan. I agree with you on the poll. It was moronic to put it up there (hence my joke about the guy after he posted that he lived on the border of California and Texas). As a free speech issue, he's free to be an idiot.

My worries are not about his putting up the poll. My worries begin with anyone who voted Yes.

218 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:42:14pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

No, like the wrong person was home that night 40 years ago.

219 Canadian Guy  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:42:44pm

re: #158 Pianobuff

Since we're talking about strange stuff...

I started watching this show last night on a German couple (2 males) who decided that, for the ultimate erotic thrill, one would eat the other. By the time the police figured things out, the living guy had consumed 20 kilos of his boyfriend. He was fighting the charges saying that he had his lover's permission.

I had to turn it off. It was so twisted.

Please, don't give Dan Riehl any new ideas for crime blogging theories.

220 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:46:31pm

Are these people serious?! Wow, just wow...

221 Flyers1974  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:48:43pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

I don't think any law was broken here, formally speaking (arguable, though; does this itself constitute "threatening" the President, etc.). But investigation by the USSS is certainly warranted.

I agree. It would be a stretch to call this a threat, legally speaking.

222 Lee Coller  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:49:05pm
3echo9

(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 18, 2007 at 11:30 am
No. of comments posted: 7
No. of links posted: 0

I smell a sock.

223 ryannon  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:49:32pm

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

Now that is sick and twisted shit. One must wonder, however, which part of the anatomy was first, and which was to be last.

If that's the story I'm thinking of, it only gets worse.

Makes Hannibal Lecter look like an epicurean.

224 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:54:16pm

re: #212 jvic

Good point. Unfortunately I can't stay to discuss.

There is a difference between saying that the poll should be banned, and saying that the Secret Service should investigate whether it's a meaningful threat to the President.

My mind could be changed, but I'm inclined to come down on the side of free speech (while acknowledging that it's a risky issue and valid arguments exist on each side). However, IMO it would be crazy for the Secret Service not to investigate.

I will leave it to USSS to decide what is appropriate to investigate, they're the experts, and damn good ones at that.

225 transient  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 12:59:59pm

re: #132 Pianobuff

Who did serial killers and madmen blame before television, movies, Internet, etc.?

Vaudevillians? Bards?


Darwin.

226 crashnburn  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 1:27:40pm

The whole concept of this "poll" is offensive and stupid. The SS should review this and deal with it appropriately. The anonymity of the Internet makes this crap far too easy - just like the people who drive like morons knowing they likely won't get punished for being a jerk on the road.

227 kernelPanic  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 1:47:12pm

My $.02

When they find the poll creator, it will not be an extremist as we use the term here.

It will turn out to be a business or shady advertiser who is either using attention getting questions to draw pageviews or (more likely) to get people to accept the facebook terms of use for the given application which will then allow the poll owner to pull the user's profile, contacts and other data.

Every "controversial" polling banner I've ever seen online has always turned out to be a shady attempt to get people to opt-in to a mailing list or otherwise divulge personal information. For Facebook apps in particular, I bet this poll is a sneaky way to gain access to user data including contacts and news feeds.

The root cause here will be a profit motive and the culprit will be some idiot person, identity thief or company that didn't realize just how big of a line they are crossing.

228 hbwriter  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:03:50pm

Charles--rather than make the assumption that this is a "real" poll as opposed to phishy experiment or, more likely, planted by a DKos-style kid (a la the Denver vandalism a few weeks ago by a Dem operative at a Dem office), why not focus on a verifably pertinent issue like this? :"The military general credited with capturing Saddam Hussein and killing the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, says he has spoken with President Obama only once since taking command in Afghanistan."

229 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:06:32pm

re: #228 hbwriter

Charles--rather than make the assumption that this is a "real" poll as opposed to phishy experiment or, more likely, planted by a DKos-style kid (a la the Denver vandalism a few weeks ago by a Dem operative at a Dem office), why not focus on a verifably pertinent issue like this? :"The military general credited with capturing Saddam Hussein and killing the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, says he has spoken with President Obama only once since taking command in Afghanistan."

Of course, if you don't like what's posted or not posted at LGF, you could also start your own blog -- then you could get all the credit!

But if you prefer to just whine at me, you could do that instead. But not for much longer.

230 gregb  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:06:49pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Hi gregb! I don't know - never tried to access it, and certainly wouldn't have voted in the thing just to see the results. If there are some freaks out there who voted yes, I'd really hope they were getting a visit as we speak.

As lizards have been saying, it's possible the guy who created the poll is just a moron.

But - if someone actually voted Yes - that's a very, very disturbing thing and I hope the Secret Service is jumping on them.

That kind of reminds me of Vince V. in Be Cool. "Hypothetically, just a scenario." [Link: www.script-o-rama.com...]

231 ExCamelJockey  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:19:15pm

"Bad, bad craziness is coming out into the open more and more, encouraged by GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts, pandering to and inflaming the most extreme elements."

A Google search of "bush" + "death threat" yields over 100,000 hits. I'm pretty sure we can't blame GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts for Bush's death threats anymore than we can blame them for Obama's.

If Obama's rate of threats is higher than Bushs then maybe being the most polarizing president in 40 years is a much bigger factor than right wing elements? Pew Research: Obama is most partisan President in modern era

232 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #231 ExCamelJockey

"Bad, bad craziness is coming out into the open more and more, encouraged by GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts, pandering to and inflaming the most extreme elements."

A Google search of "bush" + "death threat" yields over 100,000 hits. I'm pretty sure we can't blame GOP politicians and right wing radio hosts for Bush's death threats anymore than we can blame them for Obama's.

If Obama's rate of threats is higher than Bushs then maybe being the most polarizing president in 40 years is a much bigger factor than right wing elements? Pew Research: Obama is most partisan President in modern era

I'd be very curious to see the republican party identification for the various polls, otherwise, without correcting for differences in party identification, the poll is worse than meaningless, it's misleading.

233 thefish  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:48:08pm

Charles, why the automatic assumption this lunatic is a Republican, or even a "right-winger"?

234 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:49:15pm

re: #233 thefish

Charles, why the automatic assumption this lunatic is a Republican, or even a "right-winger"?

I made no such assumption.

235 martinsmithy  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:55:05pm

Interesting topic, and I just ran across a possible explanation for the seeming increase in right-wing extremist antics on the Volokh Conspiracy from David Post - which he calls [Link: volokh.com...] the ESPN effect.

Basically, now that we have all-news and all-blogging all the time, we are seeing a "highlight reel" of extremism that we didn't used to see because it was hidden within thousands of political events and happenings.

I don't know if I buy it, but it's an interesting argument.

236 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:06:18pm

re: #233 thefish

Charles, why the automatic assumption this lunatic is a Republican, or even a "right-winger"?

Dear me, you emerge after five years with that stunningly false red herring?

re: #231 ExCamelJockey

If Obama's rate of threats is higher than Bushs then maybe being the most polarizing president in 40 years is a much bigger factor than right wing elements? Pew Research: Obama is most partisan President in modern era

So you're saying the President of the United States has himself to blame for death threats against him because he is partisan? Are very pretty girls also "asking for it" in your opinion?

re: #210 3echo9

Ah yes, those mean old right wing radio hosts. I must have missed when Rush Limbaugh told people to go out on facebook and start up their Obama assassination poll... was it in the first hour? You know who is responsible for the poll, the individual who started it.

There you go, a little snark and everything is just ducky. Pitiful.

237 scaramouche  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:10:26pm

A reminder: the guy behind the Obama Joker poster was--go figure--a Chicago university student, a Democrat who supported Dennis Kucinich. [Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

I'm pretty sure Glen Beck and "right wing radio hosts" had nothing to do with it.

238 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:12:45pm

re: #237 scaramouche

A reminder: the guy behind the Obama Joker poster was--go figure--a Chicago university student, a Democrat who supported Dennis Kucinich. [Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

I'm pretty sure Glen Beck and "right wing radio hosts" had nothing to do with it.

There you go then, that proves it! There's no incitement or extremism coming from right wing radio hosts at all.

Glad we settled that.

239 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:20:52pm

re: #237 scaramouche

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I'm pretty sure Glen Beck and "right wing radio hosts" had nothing to do with it.

Jeepers, what a well thought out position, we can all rest easy now.

240 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Items in pop culture have been used to explain acts of violence for a long time. John Lennon was murdered because of Catcher in the Rye, for example.

And Reagan was shot because of Taxi Driver.

241 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:24:09pm

re: #141 Racer X

I absolutely blame Glenn Beck and the moronic pundits on the right. They are becoming more loony every day. If this craziness does not stop soon there will be blood shed, and the pundits will have some of that blood on their hands.

Think for one second what damage would be done to America if our president was assassinated by some asshole? Think about the riots. Think about the blowback for anyone who ever opposed Obama. I want no part of that at all period.

Who here doesn't think that O'Reilly's constant references to Dr. Tiller as "Tiller the Baby Killer" didn't contribute to the climate that ended up in Dr. Tiller's assassination?

242 ~Fianna  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:28:06pm

re: #134 Guanxi88

Jesuits & Masons.

Actors got the blame in Renaissance England. Cromwell and the Roundheads shut the theaters down for a while because they were nests of villainy and vice.

Every generation has its share of commentators who think the world is going to pot because of moral laxity.

243 ~Fianna  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Correct.
But the two kids were clearly influenced by the movie.

Yup. I guess this is sort of the problem... for most people, reality and the arts are two very different things. But for some people, they're going to find inspiration in their Holy Book, Shakespeare, the movies, a song, etc. for doing what they really want to do anyway.

Most people say things like "if my boss does this one more time, I'll kill him" and aren't plotting murder... but every so often, there's that one person who says that and burns down the building.

244 ExCamelJockey  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:50:29pm

re: #236 Bagua

So you're saying the President of the United States has himself to blame for death threats against him because he is partisan? Are very pretty girls also "asking for it" in your opinion?


Are pretty girls to blame for being pretty? No.
Will nutjobs go after pretty girls more than ugly girls? Probably.

Is Barack "I won" Obama to blame for being polarizing? Yes.
Will this cause nutjobs to make death threats against him? Probably.

Does it make it right? No.

245 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 3:57:24pm

Personally, I am waiting to see WHO posted the survey and who replied positively to the poll? It may have been a bait used by certain factions of the left who would like to say that people want to kill the president.

If it were a left wing community organizer, will we ever hear about it?
700 facebook answers is not a lot. And do we know the percentage of Yea vs Nay? we could have 700 Nays in there.

OR, is this all part and parcel of the vast rightwing conspiracy? Which, apparently isn't as vast as it was under Clinton. Evidently his detractors prefer Obama to Clinton?

246 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 4:38:18pm

re: #244 ExCamelJockey

Your logic is flawed, the charges of the pretty girls "asking for it" generaly involve dressing provocatively and otherwise highlighting their beauty.

You are making the same charge against the President, namely, that he is "asking for" the death threats by his unacceptable* behaviour.

Neither is responsible for the intentions of "nutjobs," that you find justification for one class of the "nutjobs" suggests you identify with them.


* to you.

247 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 4:39:35pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

Personally, I am waiting to see WHO posted the survey and who replied positively to the poll? It may have been a bait used by certain factions of the left who would like to say that people want to kill the president.

248 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 4:40:49pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

Or it could have been Space Aliens, why rule anything out when one desperately wants to divert attention from the obvious.

249 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 4:59:20pm
250 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 5:01:09pm
251 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 5:59:04pm

Thank you for the compliment! See ya!

252 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

Personally, I am waiting to see WHO posted the survey and who replied positively to the poll? It may have been a bait used by certain factions of the left who would like to say that people want to kill the president.

If it were a left wing community organizer, will we ever hear about it?
700 facebook answers is not a lot. And do we know the percentage of Yea vs Nay? we could have 700 Nays in there.

Yeah, it must be the trickse libs doing it to make the right look bad. Come to think of it, the Secret Service ought to be checking out the left for the four-fold increase in death threats that Obama is getting, as opposed to Bush. It's all a nefarious plot to make the right look bad!

In case you haven't noticed. 'the left' doesn't have to do anything to make the right look bad, or crazy, or violent. They're doing that all on their own.

253 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 6:27:21pm

re: #252 iceweasel

Yeah, it must be the trickse libs doing it to make the right look bad. Come to think of it, the Secret Service ought to be checking out the left for the four-fold increase in death threats that Obama is getting, as opposed to Bush. It's all a nefarious plot to make the right look bad!

In case you haven't noticed. 'the left' doesn't have to do anything to make the right look bad, or crazy, or violent. They're doing that all on their own.

It's the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, or possibly the Gun Lobby.

/Bill Clinton

254 Bagua  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 6:59:32pm

249 [deleted]

The Flouncemint*,

*a flounce coupled with a compliment

255 revgdright  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 8:02:59pm

I'm surprised facebook let something like that happen, they were pretty openly in the tank for Obama during the campaign.

256 Plato  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 9:26:45pm

I'm going Pollyanna on it.

Obama's got too much security for an assination to happen. His people have been waiting for this type of reaction for a long time. I'll bet he's got more security than Afghanistan.

Talk radio isn't going to stop. I just hope a strong Republican victory in 2010 will quell the violent urge. Almost 13 months away and counting.

257 Plato  Mon, Sep 28, 2009 9:27:33pm

dang...here we've got a great spell check and...I forgot!

258 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:30am

re: #248 Bagua

Or it could have been Space Aliens, why rule anything out when one desperately wants to divert attention from the obvious.

re: #252 iceweasel

Yeah, it must be the trickse libs doing it to make the right look bad. Come to think of it, the Secret Service ought to be checking out the left for the four-fold increase in death threats that Obama is getting, as opposed to Bush. It's all a nefarious plot to make the right look bad!

In case you haven't noticed. 'the left' doesn't have to do anything to make the right look bad, or crazy, or violent. They're doing that all on their own.

And naturally, only a right wing Christian fundi would do anything so heinous as to put this up. Not a smart ass kid in the country would do it as a dare. No 24 hour rule if the right can be blamed but a strong 24 hour rule if anyone else can be blamed.

Unlike you, who discount all but the one option, I will wait until the FBI is done with its probe. I'm pretty sure the USA still runs on an innocent until proven guilty.

259 scrubjay  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:45:03am

Assassination plays, books, stamps and jokes are just not the same now that Bush is no longer in office.

260 Mark Pennington  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:33:40am

It does provide for a good list of people for them to keep an eye on. Lists like that are good for something.

261 CJDate  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #36 fenrisdesigns

Retrospective'd.

Obviously, one does not excuse the other, but it's good to know.

There are 726 Facebook groups with "Kill Bush" in the title???!! Frankly, I'm sickened. Did the Secret Service investigate any of the creators or members of those groups? And why didn't Facebook delete those?


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