“Conservative” speaker Kitty Werthmann has long been a fixture on Alex Jones’ insane conspiracy radio show and last weekend she made a special appearance at the “How To Take Back America Conference,” telling her audience to stock up on guns and ammunition (applause, applause) because Barack Obama is turning America into a Nazi nation. Or a socialist nation. Or Marxist. Or something else that’s really really bad.
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:30:15am |
You recognize a fruitcake by the ancient prunes and nuts
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:32:16am |
There was so much insanity at this conference, it's mind-blowing.
Here are Frank Gaffney, Don Federer, and Walid Shoebat spreading "Obama's a sekrit Moslem!" conspiracy theories:
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:33:23am |
And the thing is, these are the actual Nazis.
Repost:
The picture that the right, who are supposed to be the defenders of American principles, like all men are created equal, is pushing is nothing more than pure evil hypocrisy.
In some sense, these are very conservative people, they are showing brutal images to make an entire portion of America 3/5 of a person again.
All of them who do this, Drudge, Rush, Beck, the harpy, Spencer and the rest of the twisted parts of the blogosphere, will sit there and claim no fault at all, no responsibility at all when this erupts in lynchings.
Inhofe and others will comment "well what did you expect..." Palin will be perky about "the tragedy..." and then go on to blame Obama somehow. And yet, it is like watching a car wreck in slow motion for me.
I have studied history greatly, and I have studied the rise of the real nazis extensively. It started by stoking fears of losing Germany completely and calling the government weak. Of course there were "sub-humans" at work to bring it all down. The first Nazis sounded like almost reasonable patriots, if you ignored the racism.
And then the seeds got sewn.. more and more.
We are watching a cancer fester in the heart of the Republic. These sorts of views only spread hatred and fear and they only ever end in violence.
Right now it is talk mostly. Talk talk talk... dangerous talk. Yet, give it time to make the crazies more bold as fewer people call them crazy and it becomes more acceptable to think that way and give in to base fears and hatreds as a major national party, that waves the flag, legitimatizes it.
The thing that gives me hope is that the economy is doing ok. If it does tank, given the national propaganda of the moment, we really will see an American fascist party.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:33:23am |
Wow- so women's rights and child care centers lead to nazism?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:33:24am |
I'm more worried about Hawaii.
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Dynomite Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:33:39am |
Sorry, only made it through the first two minutes of that drivel. I hope Holocaust survivors call her on this crap.
Nazis were Nazis because THEY (*&$#@(*&^& KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! And it did NOT start as some innocuous social program.
Absolute tools out there who will whore themselves out to any cause if it means denigrating Obama.
They should all rot.
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:34:23am |
arrggh...
Equal Rights Ammendment == Nazism
/what do you expect from a Phylis Schafly forum though?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:34:47am |
re: #2 Charles
Phyllis Schlafly speaks at "How to take back America" event
Feminists are even worse than gays! The Debil's gonna take over da country!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:35:14am |
Repost, Just to make the point very strong. If you look at actual Nazis, this is the same playbook.
Georing in 1933
That is how we want to build the state once more. Slowly, with exhausting effort, we must reestablish the right to work. We want to give German people work again so they can earn their own bread. We want to sow once more and show that a person can live from his own efforts, not depending on some kind of support, that no one starves because someone has stolen from him the right to work. The whole nation must demand that. On the other hand, I demand that each individual puts his whole strength in service of this people and this nation.
Now replace "German" with "American" and tell me this doesn't sound like a tea party.
This is Robert Ley in 39
Roosevelt speaks about us more than anything else, and his men and ministers speak only about us. England always held its reserve, but cannot do so any longer. France is in the same situation. Even the election of the pope stood in the shadow of the swastika, whether the gentlemen liked it or not. I am sure they spoke of nothing else than how to find a candidate for the chair of St. Peter who was more or less up to dealing with Adolf Hitler.
National Socialism concerns the leaders of the world, it moves the peoples. Germany is at the center of the world, and the world asks: "What is Adolf Hitler doing?" That is their nervous question. My party comrades, today the swastika forces the world to take a position for or against us. The world must decide, it has no choice. There can be no compromise. The Jew leads the other world. It is all or nothing. There is no going back.
Sound familiar?
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Dynomite Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:35:31am |
My wife had the pleasure of working for the Eagle Book Club in her earlier days. I oughta show her what her old compatriots are pushing now...
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:35:59am |
Per my Lileks quote from the previous thread:
In the future, everyone will be Hitler for fifteen minutes.
Insanity.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:36:04am |
This is not conservatism. It's insanity.
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:36:41am |
She sounds like she should be talking about hotdish recipes. I'm sure Phyllis would agree.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:36:43am |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
This is not conservatism. It's insanity.
Whackos to the left of me, Whackos to the right.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:16am |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
Phyllis Schlafly speaks at "How to take back America" event
Feminists are even worse than gays! The Debil's gonna take over da country!
Next thing you know, women'll start reading books, and having thoughts...
Mass pandemonium! Who will stop this insanity?!1!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:34am |
re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote
Now replace "German" with "American" and tell me this doesn't sound like a tea party.
Actually... no, I can't support that proposition, either. For one thing, the "I demand that each individual puts his whole strength in service of this people and this nation" idea is totally antithetical to the message of the Tea Partiers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:35am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
They have to take away your rights...for freedom! Why, it's genius!
(disclaimer: not actually genius)
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Ben Hur Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:40am |
Have a California relative that's been thinking the same thing for years (regardless of who is Pres) and points to the "Nazi style" helmets our police and military use as proof...
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:39:30am |
re: #20 Ben Hur
Have a California relative that's been thinking the same thing for years (regardless of who is Pres) and points to the "Nazi style" helmets our police and military use as proof...
IIRC, the Pentagon actually did delay rolling out those helmets for a number of years, precisely because they were worried about the image.
(And the truth is, the Nazis just had a better helmet design... such is life.)
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:41:54am |
re: #2 Charles
There was so much insanity at this conference, it's mind-blowing.
Here are Frank Gaffney, Don Federer, and Walid Shoebat spreading "Obama's a sekrit Moslem!" conspiracy theories:
[Video]
Can he be a "sekrit Moslem!" if everyone is screaming their ass off about it?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:26am |
re: #18 Occasional Reader
Actually... no, I can't support that proposition, either. For one thing, the "I demand that each individual puts his whole strength in service of this people and this nation" idea is totally antithetical to the message of the Tea Partiers.
Then you are missing the context of Georing's speech.
In the service of the people (as in his people, white Germans like him) and the nation (to keep it from the hands of those who are taking it from us, or destroying us)
You are forgetting the anti - communist and anti immigrant platforms were the Nazi planks before they turned on Jews. They saw commies everywhere. They saw not German as they defined it people everywhere. They argued that the schools had been corrupted. They argued that the government was complicit. You are forgetting that the early issues for them were about re-creating a Germany they saw as lost.
No. It really is the same damn shit.
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shutdown Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:07am |
re: #6 Dynomite
Two whole minutes? You are a glutton for punishment.
The sooner people face the reality that Obama was not just elected, but elected in a landslide, the sooner those that oppose his policies can get down to the serious (and democratically appropriate) business of enunciating a lucid set of policies of their own, and identifying sane candidates to carry these policies to the electorate. Nobody is being elected on a sekrit muslim platform. Or secret squirrel platform. Although I moght vote for Secret Squirrel. Really.
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shutdown Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:56:09am |
Gotta learn to use spellcheck. Preview is my Friend.
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:33am |
re: #11 Dynomite
My wife had the pleasure of working for the Eagle Book Club in her earlier days. I oughta show her what her old compatriots are pushing now...
I happen to be looking at some info about Eagle Publishing this morning.
Eagle Publishing is the parent company of Regnery Publishing, and the owners of Human Events, RedState.com, and The Newt Gingrich Letter. Regnery has published Robert Spencer, Michelle Malkin, Mark Steyn, Patrick Buchanan, Richard Miniter, Robert Welch (who went on to found the John Birch Society), David Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, and many others, some of whom I might actually want to read.
One member of Eagle Publishing's board of directors is Pat Sajak, of Wheel of Fortune fame.
However, I don't know whether the Eagle Book Club is related to Eagle Publishing. They do run the Conservative Book Club.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:41am |
Just a little note of exactly what I am talking about... Remember Malkin's little tirade about the Olympics.
I love this comment...
On September 28th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
If Obama gets the Olympics, will Germany send their own Jesse Owens to trounce the US?
Now why would he say this?
What is this guy referring to?
Why does no one instantly call him an asshole for saying it? Why is it that her comments are just full of this stuff?
Why does Malkin, a supposed Jew, not do anything about it?
AND BTW, Little miss Malkin...
If you think making random Nazi references, because you think it is cute, and you use the sort of race bating that the nazis themselves used, baby, I sincerely question the validity of your conversion. I believe the proper word for you is shiksa.
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Mark Pennington Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:02:28pm |
Do these people really believe all this crap or are they angry and trying to shock and fearmonger in any way they can?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:15pm |
Ohhh and one other note. I almost never use the word shiksa. It is actually incredibly rude. Most Jewish people do not know what it actually means, and think it just means not Jewish woman. Through over use, it has come to mean that and most people have no clue about it's real meaning, so if they say it, they don''t know the meaning I am about to translate.
What shiksa actually, literally means is female abomination.
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RadicalRon Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:04:58pm |
Don't tell anybody, but this past weekend they were practicing doing something with the fleet of black helicopters that was stolen from Halliburton. Probably something like providing air cover for the super sekrit prisons and stuff like that.
/heavy sarc
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:37pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
Just a little note of exactly what I am talking about... Remember Malkin's little tirade about the Olympics.
I love this comment...
Now why would he say this?What is this guy referring to?
Why does no one instantly call him an asshole for saying it? Why is it that her comments are just full of this stuff?
Why does Malkin, a supposed Jew, not do anything about it?
AND BTW, Little miss Malkin...
If you think making random Nazi references, because you think it is cute, and you use the sort of race bating that the nazis themselves used, baby, I sincerely question the validity of your conversion. I believe the proper word for you is shiksa.
Over the top.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:48pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:41pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
Why does Malkin, a supposed Jew, not do anything about it?
Wikipedia says,
She grew up in the small southern New Jersey town of Absecon, where she was raised in the Roman Catholic faith...Malkin attended Holy Spirit Roman Catholic High School, where she edited the school newspaper and planned to become a concert pianist...
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theuglydougling Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:11:24pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:19:34pm |
re: #28 wrenchwench
One more item published by Regnery: The Darwin Myth: The Life and Lies of Charles Darwin.
Product Description
In "The Darwin Myth", author Benjamin Wiker offers a critical analysis of Darwin's theories as well as the social, scientific, and religious implications of his work, leading us to the inevitable truth about Darwin's powerful - yet ultimately poisonous - legacy. Scientists often challenge conventional wisdom and spark debates that last for generations. But no scientist has fuelled more debate than Charles Darwin. To some he is the revolutionary 'father' of evolution. To others he is the perverse 'originator' of modern eugenics. And in "The Darwin Myth: The Life and Lies of Charles Darwin", author Benjamin Wiker brings these conflicting identities to light. He offers a critical examination of Darwin's theories as well as the scientific, social, and religious implications of his life and work. In "The Darwin Myth", Wiker reveals: How Darwin's theories were originally met by scepticism and criticism - much of which he couldn't refute and are still valid today; why Darwin didn't 'discover' evolution; and how science itself suggests God created the universe. Laying out the evidence and sound scientific arguments, Wiker illuminates the inevitable truth about Darwin's powerful - yet ultimately poisonous - legacy.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:25:16pm |
re: #36 theuglydougling
re: #35 wrenchwench
If I am incorrect about her conversion then I am actually very relieved. It is hard enough for me to have to claim Naturei Carta. I don't need to claim her either. I distinctly remember reading that she did convert to marry her husband.
In any case, I am not going Godwin.
She is openly promoting racial hatred and undermining american values. Her commenters are full of actual nazi types and rather than deal with that, she whips them up into a lather.
I have not called her a nazi. She is not. She is however someone who should know the fire that she is playing with and she does not care. She richly deserves my contempt. She is someone who is going out of the Nazi playbook, and it is utterly obvious to me.
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shutdown Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:25:39pm |
OT: It is 59 degrees out, moderate wind and small chance of precip. Do I go for a short run?
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Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:26:15pm |
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Liberally Conservative Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:27:21pm |
re: #37 wrenchwench
One more item published by Regnery: The Darwin Myth: The Life and Lies of Charles Darwin.
Why do I suspect that the "scientific" theories this book lays out that prove the existence of God are the most simple, rudimentary, and complex-sounding?
This is the sort of stuff that bothers me the most about the state of the Right; that they can't properly debate the truth (since they'll lose), so instead of trying, researching, or admitting mistakes, they make their own version of history, where Jefferson, Madison, and Adams were Evangelical Christians, where Nazis ruled just like the Bolsheviks next door, and where everyone was happy and got along wonderfully until modern liberalism messed it all up with their labor regulation, feminism, and dovishness.
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spoosmith Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:29:36pm |
re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote
What shiksa actually, literally means is female abomination.
OK - that beats my "vapid twit"
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Liberally Conservative Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:42:08pm |
And as for the speaker, the idea that Germans would have driven out Hitler if only they had guns is ludicrous. Germany had absolutely zero dissent (except for a few college students) throughout the war. The Nazis shaped everyday people into soldiers who would kill Jews by the thousands, who would wipe out villages if they suspected them of aiding partisans, and who would do all this without any rebellion or mutiny. The idea that if only everyone had guns, this could have all been avoided, is one of the most ignorant conclusions to draw from this.
Befehl ist Befehl.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:42:51pm |
During the last election cycle, I made no bones about the fact that I thought that an Obama presidency would be very, very bad for this nation. Even disasterous.
Some of the things that I feared might come to pass, have come to pass... and yes, they're as bad as I feared.
Others? Not so much.
I didn't want this man to sit in the oval office, and I did everything that I could personally do to prevent it from happening. But he was duly elected by the American people. I don't like it, but I accept it.
I've been willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt and at least a modicum of respect because he's my sons' commander in chief, and because I think it's the right thing to do. In some cases I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, in others I'm glad that I did.
Michelle Malkin should never be allowed to forgot that she did everything within her power to discredit the Republican nominee because he wasn't "right" enough for her. She worked against McCains' election 24/7 so that a liberal would win the election, and in turn give her the ammuniton to push for a hardcore right-wing conservative nominee in 2012.
Sadly, her concern for what would happen to this country in the interim was minimal to nonexistant.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:43:11pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Wow- so women's rights and child care centers lead to nazism?
Yes, on account of the Nazis were so concerned with women's rights.
///
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drcordell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:44:26pm |
Did anyone else notice how she referred to Germany as a "100% christian nation" when describing Hitler's rise to power?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:44:32pm |
re: #15 wrenchwench
She sounds like she should be talking about hotdish recipes. I'm sure Phyllis would agree.
Sadly, the women who think women should keep out of public affairs never seem to think it begins with them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:47:11pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
Just a little note of exactly what I am talking about... Remember Malkin's little tirade about the Olympics.
I love this comment...
Now why would he say this?What is this guy referring to?
Why does no one instantly call him an asshole for saying it? Why is it that her comments are just full of this stuff?
Why does Malkin, a supposed Jew, not do anything about it?
AND BTW, Little miss Malkin...
If you think making random Nazi references, because you think it is cute, and you use the sort of race bating that the nazis themselves used, baby, I sincerely question the validity of your conversion. I believe the proper word for you is shiksa.
Malkin's Jewish?
OY. New fact I wish I didn't know.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:50:18pm |
re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist
Malkin's Jewish?
OY. New fact I wish I didn't know.
Malkin's husband is Jewish. I've read where she converted, but I've no idea of the smicha (ordination for all you non-Yiddim out there) of the Rabbi that performed it.
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drcordell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:50:28pm |
re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist
Malkin's Jewish?
OY. New fact I wish I didn't know.
I thought shiksa means a woman who isn't jewish???
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Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:50:54pm |
re: #43 Liberally Conservative
And as for the speaker, the idea that Germans would have driven out Hitler if only they had guns is ludicrous. Germany had absolutely zero dissent (except for a few college students) throughout the war.
Well, except when Tom Cruise and friends tried to blow up Hitler.
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claire Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:53:25pm |
She's jewish? Does that jive with the whole Dobson thing? Seems strange.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:53:26pm |
re: #50 drcordell
I thought shiksa means a woman who isn't jewish???
Whilst that is what it is commonly accepted to mean, it is a derogatory term for a woman, a woman who is an abomination.
I once overheard a client coworker refer to me as a shmuck. I had a very short and terse conversation with my client POC about the meaning of that word. Never heard it again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:57:25pm |
re: #50 drcordell
I thought shiksa means a woman who isn't jewish???
It's used that way in American Yiddish. Ludwig is correct, though, the root word means 'abomination'. My great grandma would have said 'goya' to be polite. "Shiksa" is rude.
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tom112 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:11:14pm |
I love the fact that nazism, socialism, marxism, communism and totalitarianism are all interchangeable now a days. Maybe we can start doing that with everyday language.
"Sure boss, I'll have that to you soon" can now become "I'll do that project to you whenever I want to." "Good morning" can now become "I'm hungover, leave me alone!"
I'm loving this!
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Cineaste Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:11:27pm |
I love the idea that if only the German populous had guns they would have risen up against Hitler. That's a completely BS rewrite of history. As far as I know the only serious German-based attempt at an assault on Hitler was Operation Valkyrie led by von Stauffenberg. On the other hand you had the amazing Jewish ghetto uprising in Poland and the amazing resistance fought in the south of France. She wants to believe that she and her family were on the right side of history, if only they had guns... I call bullsh*t...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:37:43pm |
re: #57 Cineaste
I love the idea that if only the German populous had guns they would have risen up against Hitler. That's a completely BS rewrite of history. As far as I know the only serious German-based attempt at an assault on Hitler was Operation Valkyrie led by von Stauffenberg. On the other hand you had the amazing Jewish ghetto uprising in Poland and the amazing resistance fought in the south of France. She wants to believe that she and her family were on the right side of history, if only they had guns... I call bullsh*t...
The White Rose also deserves mention, and there were a number of other assassination attempts, as well as other forms of resistance, but you're correct.
The version of this that really hacks me is 'if the Jews had had guns, they could have protected themselves'. Unrealistic rewriting of history, based on current American politics, rather than any kind of historical reality.
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:49:45pm |
re: #16 ggt
Whackos to the left of me, Whackos to the right.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you-ooo...
Can't these guys go away now? Go join the BNP or something?
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Cineaste Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:53:06pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
The White Rose also deserves mention, and there were a number of other assassination attempts, as well as other forms of resistance, but you're correct.
The version of this that really hacks me is 'if the Jews had had guns, they could have protected themselves'. Unrealistic rewriting of history, based on current American politics, rather than any kind of historical reality.
You're right - there were a few - but certainly no popular uprising to speak of. Also, I don't think she was implying that "if the Jews had had guns..." I think she was saying that if only the poor German populous had had guns! That somehow once they empowered Hitler they were all subjugated to this one man.
I would kindly refer her to the revolutionary war as a prime example of how, when a populous is done with it's overlords, no matter how powerful, they will fight back. Frankly, the majority of Germans did not have a problem with Hitler until they began getting carpet bombed by the allies.
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DobermanBoston Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:01:25pm |
So which is it? Is he a Nazzy, a Muslim, or a Red? Each is sort of mutually exclusive of the others.
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Liberally Conservative Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:10:07pm |
re: #57 Cineaste
I love the idea that if only the German populous had guns they would have risen up against Hitler. That's a completely BS rewrite of history. As far as I know the only serious German-based attempt at an assault on Hitler was Operation Valkyrie led by von Stauffenberg. On the other hand you had the amazing Jewish ghetto uprising in Poland and the amazing resistance fought in the south of France. She wants to believe that she and her family were on the right side of history, if only they had guns... I call bullsh*t...
Stauffenberg's coup (which I forgot about earlier) wasn't even a rebellion against Hitler because he was evil and committing genocide against the Jews/Slavs/Gypsies/etc., it was a rebellion against Hitler primarily because he was a stubborn and inept military commander who insisted on interfering personally and making the wrong decisions.
Of course, had they succeeded, I'm sure millions of non-German civilian lives would be saved, but I don't think that that was their primary motivation.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:16:03pm |
So Germany was a "100 percent Christian nation"? I assume she was not counting those Jewish Bolshevik parasites a "real" Germans...
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Cineaste Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:38:19pm |
re: #64 ralphieboy
So Germany was a "100 percent Christian nation"? I assume she was not counting those Jewish Bolshevik parasites a "real" Germans...
Exactly... all those poor innocent German Christians who would have fought back if only they could to save the non-German Jews...?
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Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 4:20:49pm |
re: #63 Liberally Conservative
Stauffenberg's coup (which I forgot about earlier) wasn't even a rebellion against Hitler because he was evil and committing genocide against the Jews/Slavs/Gypsies/etc., it was a rebellion against Hitler primarily because he was a stubborn and inept military commander who insisted on interfering personally and making the wrong decisions.
Of course, had they succeeded, I'm sure millions of non-German civilian lives would be saved, but I don't think that that was their primary motivation.
The German military leadership was never much interested in Hitlers war. There was a great deal of distast for him amongst the officers, but after a certain point, going against him was death. They certainly didn't like his assertion of direct power over the military throughout the 1930's.
Stauffenberg himself was against Hitlers oppression of the Jews.
There were plans amongst the military to overthrow Hitler before he could start a war, but they waffled.
The ultimate motivation for attempting to assasinate Hitler was to stop him from completely destroying Germany, and to end the war.
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