Evolution Street Is One Way Only

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Evolutionary biologists have long wondered whether it was possible for evolution to reverse direction; in other words, whether the proteins that make up an organism could “devolve” back to a previous shape or purpose. Carl Zimmer has an interesting piece on new research that strongly suggests evolution is a one-way street.

Evolutionary biologists have long wondered if history can run backward. Is it possible for the proteins in our bodies to return to the old shapes and jobs they had millions of years ago?

Examining the evolution of one protein, a team of scientists declares the answer is no, saying new mutations make it practically impossible for evolution to reverse direction. “They burn the bridge that evolution just crossed,” said Joseph W. Thornton, a biology professor at the University of Oregon and co-author of a paper on the team’s findings in the current issue of Nature. …

Dr. Thornton and his colleagues took a close look at the possibility of reverse evolution at this molecular level. They studied a protein called a glucocorticoid receptor that helps humans and most other vertebrates cope with stress by grabbing a hormone called cortisol and then switching on stress-defense genes.

By comparing the receptor to related proteins, the scientists reconstructed its history. Some 450 million years ago, it started out with a different shape that allowed it to grab tightly to other hormones, but only weakly to cortisol. Over the next 40 million years, the receptor changed shape, so that it became very sensitive to cortisol but could no longer grab other hormones.

During those 40 million years, Dr. Thornton found, the receptor changed in 37 spots, only 2 of which made the receptor sensitive to cortisol. Another 5 prevented it from grabbing other hormones. When he made these 7 changes to the ancestral receptor, it behaved just like a new glucocorticoid receptor.

Dr. Thornton reasoned that if he carried out the reverse operation, he could turn a new glucocorticoid receptor into an ancestral one. So he and his colleagues reversed these key mutations to their old form.

To Dr. Thornton’s surprise, the experiment failed. “All we got was a completely dead receptor,” he said.

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480 comments
1 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:16:44pm

our species has a long way still to go ...

2 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:18:26pm

although mahmoud ahmadinejad certainly makes the case for evolution in reverse ...

3 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:19:47pm

read the whole thing...just reading the paragraph made my head hurt lol

4 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:20:27pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

That's cultural evolution...not biological

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:20:48pm

Come on, you're not afraid of a little glucocorticoid receptor, are you?

6 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:21:14pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

although mahmoud ahmadinejad certainly makes the case for evolution in reverse ...

Does he have protruding superorbital ridges?

7 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:21:26pm

re: #4 Boondock St. Bender

That's cultural evolution...not biological


in his case ... both!

8 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:21:45pm

The way we're going, this is terrible news.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:22:16pm

So Devo got it wrong? They're not really devolved?
///

10 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:22:27pm

re: #6 ArchangelMichael

Does he have protruding superorbital ridges?

he has a plastic surgeon remove them

11 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:22:48pm

re: #5 Charles

Come on, you're not afraid of a little glucocorticoid receptor, are you?

If I find it on the tip of my penis, I am.

12 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:23:33pm

re: #11 Walter L. Newton

If I find it on the tip of my penis, I am.

TMI

13 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:24:04pm

re: #8 Cato the Elder

The way we're going, this is terrible news.

Not sure that humans need more hair than they already have. I know I don't want to either have, or see it.

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:26:07pm

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

15 Athens Runaway  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:26:34pm

Anyone remember that episode of Star Trek: TNG where Crusher fiddles with the guy's DNA and some weird virus is created where it turns everyone into the Flintstones version of themselves?

Seeing reptile-Worf smash doors to get at fish person-Troi and Caveman Riker was good cheeseball fun. I almost expected to see the robots from MST3K in the corner of the screen.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:26:52pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

So lgf2 is going to end up with some trademark violations?
Bwaa-haa-haa!

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:27:00pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Uh oh, some people...

18 borgcube  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:27:16pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

Beat me to it! :)

19 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:27:25pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Excellent news.

20 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:27:35pm

Charles, in the blurb the scientists were talking about
proteins in our bodies returning to the old shapes and jobs. You wrote whether an organism could “devolve” back to a previous shape or purpose. I believe that's two different things.

21 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:27:36pm

re: #13 ArchangelMichael

Soft fur with nice markings, say like an orange striped tomcat, would be fine with me.

22 Canadian Guy  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:28:18pm

Becks channels Skouen today

23 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:29:18pm

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow
Prepare to see the grandfather clause invoked elsewhere.

24 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:29:28pm

wow that is neat...if i grasp the article correctly.(charles goaded me into it..lol)
I guess that would help explain things like ocean mammals not developing gills(or redeveloping)
so much for my chicken to T-rex experiment.

25 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:29:35pm

some would say I'm just half the man I used to be...devolution?

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:30:29pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Atheists!

27 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:30:29pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

keychains and snow scrapers!

28 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:30:31pm

re: #13 ArchangelMichael

Not sure that humans need more hair than they already have. I know I don't want to either have, or see it.

As I get older, I would like to control where it grows.

29 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:31:02pm

re: #25 albusteve

Jenny Craig?

30 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:31:08pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Becks channels Skouen today


[Video]

He's getting closer and closer to the edge of a serious breakdown.

31 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:31:12pm
Dr. Thornton reasoned that if he carried out the reverse operation, he could turn a new glucocorticoid receptor into an ancestral one. So he and his colleagues reversed these key mutations to their old form.

To Dr. Thornton’s surprise, the experiment failed. “All we got was a completely dead receptor,” he said.

That's really fascinating, and yet another example of a repeatable evolutionary experiment- much to the chagrin of creationists who say repeatable, falsifiable experiments on evolution can't be done.

32 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:31:27pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Becks channels Skouen today


The Russians Atheists are coming!

//No wait. First some more insane drivel about the president.

//

33 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:31:34pm

re: #28 HelloDare
/There's an app for that/

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:08pm

It's amazing how Beck and his fellow travelers demonize atheists -- they're the new witches.

35 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:09pm

I always figured that reversing evolution would run into a problem with the arrow of time made by entropy.

36 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:25pm

So, if we can't go backwards, what explains my X?

37 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:39pm

re: #29 tradewind

Jenny Craig?

in twenty years I'll be a toddler again!

38 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:39pm

re: #30 Charles
Pay someone at Fox to switch his bumper to Foggy Mt and see what happens...

39 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:32:53pm

re: #14 Charles

is that the surprise you promised a week or so ago?
good for you.your name(not to mention your time and hard work) is so intertwined with LGF that it only makes sense to be able to protect it.

40 Danny  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:01pm

It's a one-way street alright. A one-way street to the burning pits in hell!
/

41 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Howard Beale, anyone?

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #36 MandyManners

So, if we can't go backwards, what explains my X?

bad old genes coming forwards :)

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:07pm

re: #34 Charles

It's a sermon. I haven't seen him be so obvious about it before.

44 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:45pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Becks channels Skouen today


[Video]

Hot Air readers are trashing Chickenshitpundit Allahpundit like crazed weasels for posting that.

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:33:46pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

The end was really creepy.

46 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:34:17pm

re: #40 Danny

that one made me laugh!very good.

47 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:34:24pm

I wonder if an AlligatorDuck could devolve? I guess if God wanted it to.

48 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:34:25pm

Fascinating.

49 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:34:54pm

Interesting, I've bookmarked the paper to read later. You can get elder genes to express by forced manipulation, (eg long tails on chick embryos, scales where feathers belong, feathers where scales belong, sharp teeth instead of beaks) but to get the entire package to revert en toto probably isn't possible through reverse engineering a gene at this point.
It's going to be an interesting field of research the next few years, but I suspect that there are things in genes that keep those elder traits from expressing, that once you pass x can't be reversed.

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:35:16pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The end was really creepy.

I'm just getting there. What a freak.

The hero of the right wing.

51 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:35:36pm

re: #44 Charles

Hot Air readers are trashing Chickenshitpundit Allahpundit like crazed weasels for posting that.

No sympathy.

52 Canadian Guy  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:36:00pm

re: #44 Charles

He wrote

personally, if I were inclined to get on my knees and wish/hope/pray for intervention from either God or Barack Obama, I’d call out for The One too. After all, there’s at least a chance he might show.

That won't be good for business at HA

53 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:36:43pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

That's not going to go so well for LGF2, is it?

54 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:38:12pm

re: #34 Charles

It's amazing how Beck and his fellow travelers demonize atheists -- they're the new witches.

Beck's next book: Malleus Atheicarum?

(Yes Cato, I know that is not correct Latin before you say anything.)

55 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:38:24pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.



Good for you, Charles.

56 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:38:25pm

re: #52 Canadian Guy

He wrote

That won't be good for business at HA

He does it to get them riled up. They love to hate him. He's sorta like Alan Colmes on FOX. He's there as a stooge to infuriate the "conservatives" and keep the comment count up.

57 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:38:48pm

re: #53 CyanSnowHawk

That's not going to go so well for LGF2, is it?

Nope.

58 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:39:27pm

I don't see the tm.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:39:40pm

The full clip of Glenn Beck's daily rant is even worse than that -- he also indulges in some ugly race baiting:

60 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:39:47pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

Becks channels Skouen today


I like how he fumbled the constitution with the DoI for a second there.

61 Canadian Guy  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:39:59pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Even the way he says "It's not the Republicans or the Democrats" on today's show is almost like he's performing a Howard Beale impersonation. He's got the cadence down.

62 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:40:04pm

re: #54 ArchangelMichael

Beck's next book: Malleus Atheicarum?

(Yes Cato, I know that is not correct Latin before you say anything.)

Cato, is that correct Latin?

63 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:41:03pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I don't see the tm.

Reload and you will, oh Internet Explorer diehard.

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:41:11pm

re: #59 Charles

Ugh, I can't watch the video of the Chicago beating. I've been avoiding it. It's just so sad.

65 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:41:52pm

re: #36 MandyManners

So, if we can't go backwards, what explains my X?

Thoroughly Cro-Magnon, IIRC...right, Mandy?

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:41:54pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ugh, I can't watch the video of the Chicago beating. I've been avoiding it. It's just so sad.

And the right wing is exploiting it for all they're worth.

67 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:41:58pm

re: #36 MandyManners

So, if we can't go backwards, what explains my X?

Too few generations out of the trees? It could happen with a slightly improbable line of ancestors that took longer than usual to get around to propagating.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #63 Charles

Snap!

69 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:05pm

re: #22 Canadian Guy

I don't even know WTF he's talking about. I sang both The Battle Hymn of the Republic and The Hallelujah Chorus when I was in school, and I likewise wonder if he realizes the Constitution trumps the DoI.

70 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:11pm

I'm pretty sure that Beck is wrong about "in god we trust" not being on newer currency. It's still there.

71 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:21pm

Beck has found his pulpit...whatever point he had is long lost in the fervor

72 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:36pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that Beck is wrong about "in god we trust" not being on newer currency. It's still there.

It's on the side of the coins now.

73 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:50pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ugh, I can't watch the video of the Chicago beating. I've been avoiding it. It's just so sad.

why was drudge using it to argue that the olympics should be held someplace else

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #61 Canadian Guy

Even the way he says "It's not the Republicans or the Democrats" on today's show is almost like he's performing a Howard Beale impersonation. He's got the cadence down.

He's mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore!

75 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:43:53pm

re: #24 Boondock St. Bender

wow that is neat...if i grasp the article correctly.(charles goaded me into it..lol)
I guess that would help explain things like ocean mammals not developing gills(or redeveloping)
so much for my chicken to T-rex experiment.

Not necessarily. The irreversibility described in the article is at the level of the protein, not the phenotype. If the development of gills in mammals required the reverse evolution of existing proteins, then you'd be right, but if it didn't, there must be another reason. In any case, the development of mammalian gills would seem to me to be an evolution in the forward direction.

Here's what Dawkins has to say about mammalian gills in "The Greatest Show on Earth."

"I can't help wondering, once again, why whales and dolphins, dugongs and manatees have not re-evolved functional gills. The fact that, like all mammals, they have, in the pharyngeal arches, the embryonic scaffolding to grow gills suggests that it should not be too difficult to do so. I don't know why they haven't, but I'm pretty sure there's a good reason, and somebody either knows it or knows how to research it."

Maybe it's the same sort of reason that prevents the lensless Nautilus eye from evolving into a lensed eye. Dawkins mentions this in The Blind Watchmaker and assumes that the evolutionary track required to develop a lens would take it off its evolutionary peak to a state of much reduced fitness, a trajectory that just doesn't occur.

76 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:44:02pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout
At least you have to click to see that... the picture of MM that is right on the top every time I open the page is freaking me out... it's almost a caricature.

77 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #72 Charles

The Queen is still on English coins also.

78 Danny  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:44:48pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ugh, I can't watch the video of the Chicago beating. I've been avoiding it. It's just so sad.

I wish I hadn't. It made me physically sick.

79 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:45:01pm

re: #63 Charles

Reload and you will, oh Internet Explorer diehard.

What a cute little TM!

80 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:45:03pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus
/Give that one a minute/

81 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:45:20pm

re: #59 Charles

The full clip of Glenn Beck's daily rant is even worse than that -- he also indulges in some ugly race baiting:


Oh, I see. He's blaming "Godlessness" for the beating. Yes, the far-right is exploiting this on many levels. The dimwitted Drudge Report had it up as something that's related to the Olympic bid, or something.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:45:44pm

re: #27 albusteve

keychains and snow scrapers!

How about those hand fans for church?

83 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:46:18pm

re: #65 talon_262

Thoroughly Cro-Magnon, IIRC...right, Mandy?

Australopithecus is more like it.

84 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:46:20pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

With the name Little Green Footballs, I don't forsee you getting involved in any litigation like this.


McDonalds loses David and Goliath battle over trademark

by Sarah Crawley-Boevey, Brand Republic 08-Sep-09, 09:00

LONDON - McDonalds has lost an eight-year legal battle with a Malaysian restaurant which it said was infringing its famous trademark.

The fast food giant has been battling a Kuala Lumpur-based restaurant called McCurry, which serves Indian food and has a smiling chicken logo, in the Court of Appeal in Malaysia.

Two years ago McDonalds won a High Court case against McCurry, but earlier today (Tuesday) a panel of three judges at the Federal Court unanimously overturned the ruling and dismissed the case.

The owners of McCurry had insisted the Mc prefix stood for Malaysian chicken.

McDonalds, which has around 150 outlets in Malaysia, was ordered to pay 10,000 Malaysia Ringgits (£1,700) costs to McCurry.

Malaysian newspaper The Sun Daily reported that during the court hearings McCurry argued that McDonald's could not claim exclusive rights to the use of Mc as that prefix was extensively used around the world as surnames, particularly by people of Scottish origin.

The court case has prevented the owners of the family-run McCurry from expanding but they told reporters they will now focus on growing their business.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:46:26pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus

I noticed that too. Kind of stupid, wasn't it?

86 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #67 CyanSnowHawk

Too few generations out of the trees? It could happen with a slightly improbable line of ancestors that took longer than usual to get around to propagating.

A real knuckle-dragger.

87 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:07pm

I don't know- maybe it's different in high schools. It's hard to avoid fine pieces of music that lack any reference to religion, and if you're going to have kids strive to preform fine and challenging pieces, you're going to have some religion in there. We had many secular pieces as well, but to my knowledge- we never had a single complaint about our music selection.

Our drama selections on the other hand- those got some hate mail.

88 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:15pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

I always figured that reversing evolution would run into a problem with the arrow of time made by entropy.

The creationists claim that forward evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics by reducing entropy.

89 Danny  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:32pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus

why was drudge using it to argue that the olympics should be held someplace else

Probably to try and have readers associate it with Obama.

90 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:33pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I noticed that too. Kind of stupid, wasn't it?


yep, and I used to like drudge.

91 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:47:58pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Oh, I see. He's blaming "Godlessness" for the beating. Yes, the far-right is exploiting this on many levels. The dimwitted Drudge Report had it up as something that's related to the Olympic bid, or something.

That was a snarky headline that tied it to the other major story of the day, PMOTUS (Pitch Man of the United States).

92 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #84 HelloDare

Next: Chinese restaurant serving Peking

McDuck.

93 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:48:48pm

re: #72 Charles

It's on the side of the coins now.

That fear that the government was going to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency has been exploited for a while now. Those who want to feel oppressed don't seem to care that it's not true.
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

94 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:48:59pm

re: #92 Ojoe

Next: Chinese restaurant serving Peking

McDuck.

Both McDonalds and Disney can sue them.

95 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:49:05pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Cato, is that correct Latin?


I think that it's a mixture of Latin and Greek.

96 Gearhead  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:49:15pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Oh, crap. My kids got some little green footballs at a carnival this weekend. What can we call them without getting in trouble?

97 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:49:21pm

re: #89 Danny

Probably to try and have readers associate it with Obama.


but then why didn't he connect it to obama instead of the city's olympic bid?

98 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #90 SpaceJesus

yep, and I used to like drudge.

Drudge is just a link dump...what purpose does it serve to get into his head?

99 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:49:56pm

Good move on the TM Charles, at least now you can stop stalker sites from brand dissolution clones.

100 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:50:12pm

re: #94 ArchangelMichael

McDisney

Ho Ho

101 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:50:21pm

re: #95 John Neverbend

I think that it's a mixture of Latin and Greek.

It's called Leek.

102 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:50:32pm

re: #63 Charles

Reload and you will, oh Internet Explorer diehard.

I'm an IE user, and I'm unrepentant.

103 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:50:33pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that Beck is wrong about "in god we trust" not being on newer currency. It's still there.

It's being replace by "In Obama we trust." Haven't you heard?

104 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:50:49pm

re: #100 Ojoe

McDisney

Ho Ho

Mickey McMouse!

105 Danny  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:03pm

re: #97 SpaceJesus

but then why didn't he connect it to obama instead of the city's olympic bid?

Obama's Copenhagen trip was currently in the news cycles, I guess.

106 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:19pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

And, it's a soup.

Leek soup.

107 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:28pm

re: #103 HelloDare

It's being replace by "In Obama we trust." Haven't you heard?

There we go again, making fun of the president.

108 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:46pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

It's called Leek.

Or Gratin. As in gratin dauphinois.

109 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:51pm

re: #104 albusteve

ROFLMAO

We are un evolving here.

110 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:51:55pm

It's getting to be a lot of work being a stalker site. The ™ will be a new test of their dedication to remaining obsessed.

111 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:52:10pm

re: #106 Ojoe

And, it's a soup.

Leek soup.

Love leek soup, I love a lot of odd greens, brussel sprouts being one of my favorites.

112 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus
It's an attempt to portray the gang members as typical of the welcome wagon in Chicago.

113 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:52:35pm

re: #104 albusteve

Mickey McMouse!

They could get away with that when they build Disneyland Edinburgh.

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:52:49pm

That segment from Glenn Beck's show was one of the most disturbing, insane things I've ever seen.

Is this really where the right wing wants to go?

115 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Love leek soup, I love a lot of odd greens, brussel sprouts being one of my favorites.

no wonder you can fart all the way to New Mexico

116 Gearhead  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:53:19pm

re: #113 CyanSnowHawk

They could get away with that when they build Disneyland Edinburgh.

I am SO excited about Haggis-land.

117 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:53:50pm

re: #93 jaunte

That fear that the government was going to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency has been exploited for a while now. Those who want to feel oppressed don't seem to care that it's not true.
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

When have partisan ideologues ever let something like facts get in the way of their agenda?

118 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:53:51pm

OT - From the world of sports commentary.

"The pitcher is really moving his balls around."

119 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #114 Charles

That segment from Glenn Beck's show was one of the most disturbing, insane things I've ever seen.

Is this really where the right wing wants to go?

They seem to think it's going to win them the next election.

120 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Cato, is that correct Latin?

Not really. Assuming there is a Latin word atheisticus (from the Greek - it probably exists but it's definitely not good Classical Latin), the genitive plural would be atheisticorum. So, Malleus atheisticorum could work.

And it fits Beck, who's as dumb as a hammer himself...

121 Gearhead  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:54:29pm

re: #118 John Neverbend

OT - From the world of sports commentary.

"The pitcher is really moving his balls around."

Carlin?

122 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:54:50pm

re: #118 John Neverbend

OT - From the world of sports commentary.

"The pitcher is really moving his balls around."

Goodnight everybody!

123 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:55:15pm

That Beck vid plays a symphony to all major stasist elements in the conservative movement. It's particularly aimed at the Christian Dominionist and Christian Identist segments, prime focus of the Neo Confederate and Neo Coughlinite alliance.

It's also pretty weird how he ranks all over the kid filming for making a video to exploit, right after he sickly exploits it himself.

124 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:55:32pm

re: #99 Thanos

Good move on the TM Charles, at least now you can stop stalker sites from brand dissolution clones.

Does it work retroactively?

125 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:00pm

re: #119 Irish Rose

They seem to think it's going to win them the next election.

who's to say it won't?...Glenn Beck, Telecom Czar!...hahaha!

126 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:01pm

re: #113 CyanSnowHawk

And then Disney could sue the Dickens out of them

127 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:05pm

Re the OT, this is a purely unscientific comment; but it seems to me the most intuitively simple and obvious concepts, without heavy research.

One of the fundamentals of biochemical evolution is the application of scaffoldings, catalysts, extinct pathways and so on. Obviously it is impossible to reverse a process when the path to get there is gone.

On the other hand, there is nothing to prevent a previous function from re-evolving, or re-expressing itself within the normal process of evolution if circumstances promote it. For example and adaptation to higher CO2 levels, or whatever.

128 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:06pm

re: #116 Gearhead

I am SO excited about Haggis-land.

You've not lived until you've heard "When you wish upon a star" on the bagpipes.

129 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:17pm

re: #104 albusteve

Mickey McMouse!

And for dessert, Mickey McMousse.

130 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:56:38pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

When have partisan ideologues ever let something like facts get in the way of their agenda?

As of today, 3 million Americans now think that "In God We Trust" was removed from money and "all because of atheists." Well, that's at least what Glenn Beck told them while they sat on the edge of their chairs listening to their cult leader.

131 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:57:01pm

re: #124 MandyManners

Does it work retroactively?

That's an interesting legal question that I don't have the knowledge to answer Mandy.

132 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:57:16pm

re: #114 Charles

That segment from Glenn Beck's show was one of the most disturbing, insane things I've ever seen.

Is this really where the right wing wants to go?

Well, it is certainly where many of them have *gone*, and without any real rending of clothes by the RNC. It's not teh krazees that have me confused, it's the response by the Money Boyz.

133 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:57:27pm

These duck puns are Goofy.

134 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:57:46pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Not cheap I think. Better make the hat tip link bigger.

135 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:58:09pm

re: #114 Charles

That segment from Glenn Beck's show was one of the most disturbing, insane things I've ever seen.

Is this really where the right wing wants to go?

You would think this was a first for humanity, the way beck discusses it- that never before in the history of mankind have we ever been so brutal. Maybe he's forgotten about the Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? Most of the history of mankind has been filled with more brutality and cruelty than we see today.

It's as if he thinks the past somehow had a higher value on human life than it does today. Just more evidence people like beck long to return to a past that never existed.

136 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:58:21pm

re: #77 Ojoe

The Queen is still on English coins also.

And on stamps. Charles Darwin appears on the ten pound notes.

Ten pound note

137 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:58:23pm

If evolution can't run backwards, how do you explain this? (watch the whole thing if you can)

138 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:58:37pm

re: #127 Naso Tang

Re the OT, this is a purely unscientific comment; but it seems to me the most intuitively simple and obvious concepts, without heavy research.

One of the fundamentals of biochemical evolution is the application of scaffoldings, catalysts, extinct pathways and so on. Obviously it is impossible to reverse a process when the path to get there is gone.

On the other hand, there is nothing to prevent a previous function from re-evolving, or re-expressing itself within the normal process of evolution if circumstances promote it. For example and adaptation to higher CO2 levels, or whatever.


This has to be true, and is evident in the record and in modern whales. While the exact mechanisms for living in the water are not the same, there are similar forms and function.

139 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:59:03pm

re: #115 albusteve

no wonder you can fart all the way to New Mexico

Have you see that cloud over north of you?

It's gonna get in the 30's again by Thursday here. I haven't had the pleasure of having to ride down hill yet with snow pack on the roads, but it's coming, probably sooner than later.

I'm not bothered by snow-packed roads, it's just that I am going to have to get use to these certain routes up here that I have never been on in snow.

It's like anything, the more use you are to it, the easier and safer it is. So, it's going to be a learning curve for the first winter up here.

140 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:59:13pm

re: #59 Charles

interesting in a macabre sort of way...
next time beck bitches about taxes,perhaps we should remind him Jesus said "render unto Cesar what is Cesar's
maybe he'll blow a head pipe...

141 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

Have you see that cloud over north of you?

It's gonna get in the 30's again by Thursday here. I haven't had the pleasure of having to ride down hill yet with snow pack on the roads, but it's coming, probably sooner than later.

I'm not bothered by snow-packed roads, it's just that I am going to have to get use to these certain routes up here that I have never been on in snow.

It's like anything, the more use you are to it, the easier and safer it is. So, it's going to be a learning curve for the first winter up here.

you live in nm too?

142 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:59:47pm

re: #130 Gus 802

As of today, 3 million Americans now think that "In God We Trust" was removed from money and "all because of atheists." Well, that's at least what Glenn Beck told them while they sat on the edge of their chairs listening to their cult leader.

Which is completely stupid since all they have to do is take out some money from their wallets to fact check his ass. I wonder if any of them did.

143 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:59:52pm

re: #127 Naso Tang

I bet that northern bears evolved back and forth in their adaptations to temperature, as the glacial / interglacial ages did come and go.

144 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:00:03pm

re: #114 Charles

The version you posted has been pulled.

Is there another source?

145 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:00:30pm

re: #143 Ojoe

I bet that northern bears evolved back and forth in their adaptations to temperature, as the glacial / interglacial ages did come and go.

Not back and forth. Forth and forth.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:00:40pm

re: #21 Ojoe

Soft fur with nice markings, say like an orange striped tomcat, would be fine with me.

I would want to be a tabby.

147 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:00:57pm

re: #137 Conservative Moonbat

That guy just made hell a three syllable word.

148 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:01:02pm

re: #137 Conservative Moonbat

Hmm... reposting SpaceJesus revelations is will probably get you 100 years in Space-purgatory...

149 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:01:13pm

re: #136 John Neverbend

Irish notes used to have beautiful couleens on them, and intertwining Celtic animals. Maybe they still do.

150 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:02:00pm

re: #135 Sharmuta

You would think this was a first for humanity, the way beck discusses it- that never before in the history of mankind have we ever been so brutal. Maybe he's forgotten about the Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? Most of the history of mankind has been filled with more brutality and cruelty than we see today.

It's as if he thinks the past somehow had a higher value on human life than it does today. Just more evidence people like beck long to return to a past that never existed.

Incidents like that were much more prevalent from the 70's through the 90's, you just didn't see or hear about them at a national level. They were just short paras in the crime blotter pages. Like there have never been gang fights before -- remember the Crips and the Bloods?

151 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:02:17pm

re: #135 Sharmuta

You would think this was a first for humanity, the way beck discusses it- that never before in the history of mankind have we ever been so brutal. Maybe he's forgotten about the Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? Most of the history of mankind has been filled with more brutality and cruelty than we see today.

It's as if he thinks the past somehow had a higher value on human life than it does today. Just more evidence people like beck long to return to a past that never existed.

And Beck asks "is this what we've become?" Let's see the KKK has completely gone into oblivion for the most part except for a resurgence due to the recent climate. Jim Crow laws are gone. Civil and voting rights were granted to those that had none before the 1960s. Lynchings are no longer common as they were with the last recorded lynching having occurred in 1981.

152 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:02:23pm

re: #147 HelloDare

That guy just made hell a three syllable word.

Well, sure, but he gets two back with sumbitch. It all works out.

153 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:02:42pm

re: #148 freetoken

Hmm... reposting SpaceJesus revelations is will probably get you 100 years in Space-purgatory...

minimum

154 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:02:59pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

Have you see that cloud over north of you?

It's gonna get in the 30's again by Thursday here. I haven't had the pleasure of having to ride down hill yet with snow pack on the roads, but it's coming, probably sooner than later.

I'm not bothered by snow-packed roads, it's just that I am going to have to get use to these certain routes up here that I have never been on in snow.

It's like anything, the more use you are to it, the easier and safer it is. So, it's going to be a learning curve for the first winter up here.

get some chains and by all means relax...you will be fine and remember, coming back uphill is far the worse...

I hope you get pounded with snow up there...the Rio Grande, Colorado, Arkansas and Platte all depend on it...so when you are digging out every day just remember that you are doing God's work for the rest of us

155 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:03:19pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Which is completely stupid since all they have to do is take out some money from their wallets to fact check his ass. I wonder if any of them did.

I doubt it. They probably went with the false source. If they're caught they'll just blame the source or an intern.

156 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:03:21pm

re: #141 SpaceJesus

you live in nm too?

I live at 8200 feet in the Rocky Mountains, about 35 miles west of downtown Denver. I work downhill in Golden, Co, about 23 miles east of my location.

157 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:03:53pm

Could someone summarize the last half of the Beck rant, since the full video wall pulled of Youtube for "violations".


And, is Beck doing clean-up via Youtube?

158 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:04:26pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

I live at 8200 feet in the Rocky Mountains, about 35 miles west of downtown Denver. I work downhill in Golden, Co, about 23 miles east of my location.

oh you have one of those sweet huge-ass mansions along I-40 eh

159 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:05:06pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

I live at 8200 feet in the Rocky Mountains, about 35 miles west of downtown Denver. I work downhill in Golden, Co, about 23 miles east of my location.

Have you reconsidered yet on the truck/blade combo?

160 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:05:16pm

re: #158 SpaceJesus

oh you have one of those sweet huge-ass mansions along I-40 eh

I-40 crosses NM

161 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:05:32pm

re: #157 freetoken

Could someone summarize the last half of the Beck rant, since the full video wall pulled of Youtube for "violations".

And, is Beck doing clean-up via Youtube?

Wow. You're right.

162 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:05:40pm

re: #160 albusteve

I-40 crosses NM

typo. meant to say 70.

163 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:05:45pm

re: #119 Irish Rose
Win who the next election... Beck, or Fox?
Because I haven't seen the RNC sponsoring any of his air time.

164 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:01pm

re: #137 Conservative Moonbat

Surprise, surprise. He'd make prostitution legal. Wonder why?

165 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:04pm

re: #160 albusteve

been in NM too long. :(

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:06pm

re: #84 HelloDare

There's a guy in SF who used to call his place the "Felafel Burger King". THere was a call from Burger King's lawyer.

He is now the "King of Felafel". The felafel is still good.

167 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:14pm

re: #158 SpaceJesus

oh you have one of those sweet huge-ass mansions along I-40 eh

No, there is more than one canyon running up into the mountains around here. And the house is a modest 3000 sq feet, about 40 years old.

168 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:23pm

re: #143 Ojoe

I bet that northern bears evolved back and forth in their adaptations to temperature, as the glacial / interglacial ages did come and go.

Genetically, I believe Polar bears are indistinguishable from Brown bears.

169 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:24pm

re: #165 SpaceJesus

been in NM too long. :(

impossible

170 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:06:51pm

re: #44 Charles

Hot Air readers are trashing Chickenshitpundit Allahpundit like crazed weasels for posting that.

They were accusing him of being "LGF like" all week every time he goes rational on their ass.

171 ~Fianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:02pm

re: #114 Charles

That segment from Glenn Beck's show was one of the most disturbing, insane things I've ever seen.

Is this really where the right wing wants to go?

Unfortunately. And it disturbs me how many people it's dragging along with it.

Speaking of crazy, is anyone else getting the creepy "precious feet" pro-life checks as a sidebar ad? Talk about mixing God and Mammon.

172 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:26pm

re: #148 freetoken

Hmm... reposting SpaceJesus revelations is will probably get you 100 years in Space-purgatory...

Is that more or less than it will get me if I say I saw it on Wonkette?

173 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:35pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

Not really. Assuming there is a Latin word atheisticus (from the Greek - it probably exists but it's definitely not good Classical Latin), the genitive plural would be atheisticorum. So, Malleus atheisticorum could work.

I would have thought it's more likely to be a word like deus, so adeorum would be the genitive plural. However, I wonder if they actually had a word for "atheist", since they were polytheistic, and would any of them actually have believed in no gods at all? I don't know.

The Latin for godless is sine deo (one god) or sine deis (two or more gods).

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:46pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Love leek soup, I love a lot of odd greens, brussel sprouts being one of my favorites.

Brussels sprouts are wonderful. So are leeks. And beets.

175 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Churchill's cat "Jock"
Link

176 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:07:48pm

Beck thinks it's just so terrible here... but 20 People in the US didn't die in a food stampede today.

[Link: www.dawn.com...]

177 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:08:04pm

re: #162 SpaceJesus

typo. meant to say 70.

No, not 70, like I say, there are a lot of roads up a lot of canyons around here. I70 is just one of the many.

178 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:08:13pm

re: #150 Thanos

Incidents like that were much more prevalent from the 70's through the 90's, you just didn't see or hear about them at a national level. They were just short paras in the crime blotter pages. Like there have never been gang fights before -- remember the Crips and the Bloods?

How about Chicago during Prohibition?

179 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:08:18pm

re: #151 Gus 802

And Beck asks "is this what we've become?" Let's see the KKK has completely gone into oblivion for the most part except for a resurgence due to the recent climate. Jim Crow laws are gone. Civil and voting rights were granted to those that had none before the 1960s. Lynchings are no longer common as they were with the last recorded lynching having occurred in 1981.

But your teacher can't lead lead you in a nice Christian prayer now./

180 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Brussels sprouts are wonderful. So are leeks. And beets.

My girlfriend brought home some borsch the other night and some russian sour cream. I haven't had it yet, but will sometime soon.

181 ~Fianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:09:17pm

re: #179 avanti

But your teacher can't lead lead you in a nice Christian prayer now./

And women are out of the kitchen.

182 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:09:54pm

re: #121 Gearhead

Carlin?


It was on the Yes channel yesterday. It wasn't Michael Kay, but I don't know who was with him in the commentary box.

183 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:10:35pm

re: #170 avanti

They were accusing him of being "LGF like" all week every time he goes rational on their ass.

My brief foray over there saw a few implied threats. I figure half the posters at least are relatives of the guy in

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

184 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:10:49pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Don't go hiking the price of the t-shirts, now...

185 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:10:57pm

re: #165 SpaceJesus

been in NM too long. :(

I can't get enough of NM...been there 3 times in the past 16 years (to Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron via Alberquerque).

While I'm a Tennessean, born and bred, I'd love to live in NM for a while before I die.

186 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:11:26pm

re: #179 avanti

But your teacher can't lead lead you in a nice Christian prayer now./

Yeah, like "back in the good old days." /

Here's a Nat Geo video clip on the last lynching in America, 1981.

[Content Warning]

1981 isn't very long ago and I remember that year quite distinctly. Let's see Glenn Beck make a show about the history of lynchings and the Klan. I won't hold my breath.

187 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:11:59pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

how about the "dead rabbits",and the "plug uglies"NYC five corners gangs circa 1850...lots-o-death good catholic boys all

188 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:12:10pm

re: #185 talon_262

I can't get enough of NM...been there 3 times in the past 16 years (to Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron via Alberquerque).

While I'm a Tennessean, born and bred, I'd love to live in NM for a while before I die.

Your still a boy scout? I was at Philmount when I was 14, 40 years ago. I was living in New Jersey then.

189 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:12:14pm

re: #14 Charles

Very nice! Excellent for protecting your domain name! With all the stupid stuff "people" have been doing lately, that's an eminently smart move.

190 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #14 Charles

You may have noticed the new TM in our logo -- and yes, it's true. I now have a legal trademark on the name.

Best 350 bucks you'll ever spend.

191 Gearhead  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:13:02pm

re: #182 John Neverbend

It was on the Yes channel yesterday. It wasn't Michael Kay, but I don't know who was with him in the commentary box.

Sounded like a line from an old George Carlin bit, circa Class Clown or Toledo Window Box.

192 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #185 talon_262

I can't get enough of NM...been there 3 times in the past 16 years (to Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron via Alberquerque).

While I'm a Tennessean, born and bred, I'd love to live in NM for a while before I die.

Cimarron canyon is a piece of work...some of the worlds finest trout fishing in there...

193 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:13:30pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

So are leeks

When I brought my wife from Mexico and we went shopping for the first time ... I held up a bunch of leeks and said... look at our green onions!

194 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:14:20pm

re: #185 talon_262

I can't get enough of NM...been there 3 times in the past 16 years (to Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron via Alberquerque).

While I'm a Tennessean, born and bred, I'd love to live in NM for a while before I die.

I did philmont in '99. Wouldn't mind doing it again if I had the time.

195 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:14:32pm

re: #181 ~Fianna

And women are out of the kitchen.

Next thing you know they'll be reading things and thinking for themselves.

The horror!

196 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:14:39pm
197 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:15:28pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

No, not 70, like I say, there are a lot of roads up a lot of canyons around here. I70 is just one of the many.

I know. I'm from CO. Was just trying to see if you were rich so I could hit you up for money.

198 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:15:52pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

Next thing you know they'll be reading things and thinking for themselves.

The horror!

Calls regarding this question have yet to be returned by Mike Huckabee.

//

199 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:16:08pm

re: #191 Gearhead

Sounded like a line from an old George Carlin bit, circa Class Clown or Toledo Window Box.

It was funnier, because the double entendre was unintentional.

200 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:16:21pm

re: #150 Thanos

Incidents like that were much more prevalent from the 70's through the 90's, you just didn't see or hear about them at a national level. They were just short paras in the crime blotter pages. Like there have never been gang fights before -- remember the Crips and the Bloods?

Turned on the TV this morning.

Had this shit on about...

...how we're living in a violent world.

Showed all these foreign places.

How foreigners live and all.

I started thinking, man.

Either they don't know...

...don't show...

...or don't care about what's going on in the 'hood.

201 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:16:40pm

re: #183 Naso Tang

My brief foray over there saw a few implied threats. I figure half the posters at least are relatives of the guy in

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Hey, he could be a leftie /

202 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #194 SpaceJesus

I did philmont in '99. Wouldn't mind doing it again if I had the time.

great story about Philmont and how it came to be...a hell of alot of land out here, fifth biggest state in the union

203 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:17:00pm

re: #157 freetoken

Is that the show that he will have on tonight? Or does he do internet clips that are not part of a broadcast?
Now I'll have to watch just to see what the hell is going on.

204 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:02pm

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that a supposedly reputable news organization is promoting the sheer insanity of that Glenn Beck clip.

"Bad craziness" doesn't even come close to this. Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:03pm

re: #149 Ojoe

Irish notes used to have beautiful couleens on them, and intertwining Celtic animals. Maybe they still do.

Irish money was lovely, but they switched to Euros.

206 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:18pm

re: #202 albusteve

great story about Philmont and how it came to be...a hell of alot of land out here, fifth biggest state in the union

I just read somewhere that Ted Turner owns 1 percent of NM. That's like owning Rhode Island.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:23pm

I am still mind-boggled by Ms. Goldberg's statement today. What the hell?

208 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:32pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

Next thing you know they'll be reading things and thinking for themselves.

The horror!

Remember this?


209 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:47pm

re: #200 Pianobuff

I see your avatar has gone from Horowitz to Paderewski.

210 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:56pm

re: #173 John Neverbend

I would have thought it's more likely to be a word like deus, so adeorum would be the genitive plural. However, I wonder if they actually had a word for "atheist", since they were polytheistic, and would any of them actually have believed in no gods at all? I don't know.

The Latin for godless is sine deo (one god) or sine deis (two or more gods).

Since there is no word adeus (what would that mean? non-god?) and anyway the negative prefix a- is Greek, not Latin, adeorum is nonsense. A good Latin periphrasis for "atheist" would be qui deum/deos esse negat - one who denies the existence of God/the gods.

The standard Classical Latin for "godless" is impius. I have never seen either of your phrases in real Latin, and I've been around since the Punic Wars. Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs, John.

211 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:18:57pm

re: #196 albusteve

how much did she cost?...I might be interested

What do you mean by that... what was the cost of getting her Green Card?

212 McSpiff  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:19:00pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Yeah, like "back in the good old days." /

Here's a Nat Geo video clip on the last lynching in America, 1981.

[Content Warning]

1981 isn't very long ago and I remember that year quite distinctly. Let's see Glenn Beck make a show about the history of lynchings and the Klan. I won't hold my breath.

Very moving clip, thanks for posting that

213 Gearhead  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:19:13pm

re: #204 Charles

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that a supposedly reputable news organization is promoting the sheer insanity of that Glenn Beck clip.

"Bad craziness" doesn't even come close to this. Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.

Values - 0
Almighty Dollar - 1

214 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:19:52pm

re: #209 John Neverbend

I see your avatar has gone from Horowitz to Paderewski.

Bravissimo! I'm starting to rotate different pianists. Why not, right?

215 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:04pm

re: #202 albusteve

great story about Philmont and how it came to be...a hell of alot of land out here, fifth biggest state in the union


also, you do much trout fly fishing in NM? I grew up spoiled in west CO as far as good fishing goes but haven't heard of any fishing in NM outside of the San Juan. I 'm not crazy about the San Juan's reputation.

216 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:07pm

re: #208 MandyManners

You bet your sweet bippy I do.

217 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:16pm

re: #193 Mr Pancakes

When I brought my wife from Mexico and we went shopping for the first time ... I held up a bunch of leeks and said... look at our green onions!


French cook book: First You Take a Leek

218 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:30pm

re: #204 Charles

Still would like to see the whole clip...

BTW, his rant about using religious songs like Battle Hymn of the Republic is silly... the tune itself was stolen from other sources! True of other church hymns. Indeed, when I first entered one of the branches the giant Yodobashi Camera store in Japan I was surprised to hear their constant store-jingle - it was set to the same music as tBHotR, but in swing time!

219 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:32pm

re: #204 Charles

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that a supposedly reputable news organization is promoting the sheer insanity of that Glenn Beck clip.

"Bad craziness" doesn't even come close to this. Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.

I've stopped watching FOX News for this very reason. I consider them the MSNBC of the right with Beck being akin to Keith Olberman. If you don't mind the early nomination, I'd like to put him in for a Fiskie.

220 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:36pm

Charles, I'm sure you've looked into this yourself or with a lawyer but trademarks go to "first use", which, obviously, is you. But in case anyone tries to tell you differently. "First use" being defined as some sort of commercial use (invoice). Just something I learned a few weeks back when my wife's recently created online business was forced to change its name because someone had snagged it a few months earlier.

221 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:42pm

re: #206 SpaceJesus

I just read somewhere that Ted Turner owns 1 percent of NM. That's like owning Rhode Island.

over a million acres, including the famed Vermejo Ranch...utterly priceless

[Link: www.tedturner.com...]

222 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:20:56pm

re: #204 Charles

evokes thoughts of the yellow journalism of the nineteenth century...lessons I'm sure rupert has learned well

223 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:21:32pm

re: #211 Mr Pancakes

What do you mean by that... what was the cost of getting her Green Card?

lousy joke

224 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:21:49pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Cranky tonight?

225 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:22:06pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Your still a boy scout? I was at Philmount when I was 14, 40 years ago. I was living in New Jersey then.

I have been in Scouting since 1986 (with the same troop)...earned my Eagle Scout rank in 1993 and have been an Assistant Scoutmaster since then (in addition to being the troop webmaster since 1998).

I've been to Philmont three times (1993, 2002, and 2006)...I'm always excited to go back and let down a bit when I have to leave.

226 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:22:10pm

re: #223 albusteve

lousy joke

Yea it was

227 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #226 Mr Pancakes

Yea it was

don't take it personal

228 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:24:27pm

Ok, someone send this to Glenn Beck:

Here is the theme song for Yodobashi Camera:

[Link: www.amazon.co.jp...]

Hit the play button for #9.

ヨドバシカメラの歌 means Yodobashi Camera Song

Press this: 試聴する

229 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:24:28pm

re: #223 albusteve

lousy joke

For you.
The Sheepy Horn

230 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:24:47pm

re: #225 talon_262

I have been in Scouting since 1986 (with the same troop)...earned my Eagle Scout rank in 1993 and have been an Assistant Scoutmaster since then (in addition to being the troop webmaster since 1998).

I've been to Philmont three times (1993, 2002, and 2006)...I'm always excited to go back and let down a bit when I have to leave.

I was a Junior Assistant Scout Master, in charge of pioneering at the time, when I left, at 18.

Philmont was my first trip out West, 40 years ago, now I live here. I can still head into the woods with barely nothing and survive if I needed to. Good skill to have, IMHO.

231 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:24:50pm

re: #224 Naso Tang

Cranky tonight?

Eh?

232 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:25:32pm

re: #204 Charles

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that a supposedly reputable news organization is promoting the sheer insanity of that Glenn Beck clip.

"Bad craziness" doesn't even come close to this. Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.

By painting the Librulz as irrational God haters, and O as a Librul, any policy from the White House must be Godless. Pretty simple really, just an extension of what they were doing when the R's held all three branches. Rather than painting D's as the loyal opposition, they painted them as teh krazees.

Get's ratings. Sells product. Makes money. And nobody loses money underestimating the intelligance of the great masses of the plain people (H. L. Mencken).

233 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:25:49pm

re: #218 freetoken

didn't they add in god we trust to all currency sometime in the fifties?(before that it was only on coinage i believe)
i do know that the line "one nation indivisible" had "under god" added to it after brown vs.board of ed.
when ever my dad was at a school assembly,he would get flustered as he flubbed that line.

234 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:26:05pm

Ann Coulter says the Obama-Hitler signs are all the work of "sneaky liberals".

235 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:26:19pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I can still head into the woods with barely nothing and survive if I needed to. Good skill to have, IMHO.

How much less than hardly anything is barely nothing?

236 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:26:31pm

re: #227 albusteve

don't take it personal

Well you directed it to me... and I'm not too thin skinned. Getting her over here was a major investment it time and tears... we had a daughter together when I worked in Mexico... forget the financial cost of doing it which was outrageous.

My daughter IS bilingual and I think that's great. Opens up opportunities for her.

237 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #233 Boondock St. Bender

didn't they add in god we trust to all currency sometime in the fifties?(before that it was only on coinage i believe)
i do know that the line "one nation indivisible" had "under god" added to it after brown vs.board of ed.
when ever my dad was at a school assembly,he would get flustered as he flubbed that line.

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

238 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:27:03pm

re: #204 Charles

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that a supposedly reputable news organization is promoting the sheer insanity of that Glenn Beck clip.

"Bad craziness" doesn't even come close to this. Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.

Looks like it's the Top Video on the Fox "News" website.

Half of the stories at Fox are from the Associated Press. Funny since the AP is usually slandered by the far right. Must be the context of seeing it on Fox "News" that calms the natives.

The rest is the usual gossip rag stuff that Rupert Murdoch is known for while running some of the worst and trashiest newspapers in the world.

239 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:27:52pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Since there is no word adeus (what would that mean? non-god?) and anyway the negative prefix a- is Greek, not Latin, adeorum is nonsense. A good Latin periphrasis for "atheist" would be qui deum/deos esse negat - one who denies the existence of God/the gods.

The standard Classical Latin for "godless" is impius. I have never seen either of your phrases in real Latin, and I've been around since the Punic Wars. Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs, John.

Yes, it was originally Greek, but it was used in Latin. For example, the word for insane is amens or literally "without a mind". I put adeus together in the same way, although I've no idea if it's real or not.

I made up godless in the form of "without a god" or "without gods", rather than a word meaning impious, so my construction is correct for that meaning. (Sine + ablative of noun). Again, I have no idea if it appears in any Latin text.

As for sucking eggs, I have no comment.

240 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:27:57pm

re: #189 Irenicum
I would think that LGF would want both trademark registration and copyright protection. They're not interchangeable. Some logos really ought to have both, especially if you have a site with a lot of material.

241 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #234 Charles

Ann Coulter says the Obama-Hitler signs are all the work of "sneaky liberals".


[Video]

Wow! So all those puppets and Chimp posters and Bushy McHitler signs were just sneaky R's?

Oh, wait...

242 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:15pm

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:21pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

My girlfriend brought home some borsch the other night and some russian sour cream. I haven't had it yet, but will sometime soon.

Man that's good.

244 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:23pm

Are they sure there is no such thing as Devolution?

245 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:28pm

re: #234 Charles

Ann Coulter says the Obama-Hitler signs are all the work of "sneaky liberals".

That's pathetic.

246 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #229 bosforus

For you.
The Sheepy Horn

I had a "You Are An Idiot" button and one night somebody opened it and all the noise and flashing set off an epileptic reaction...man I was bummed

247 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:28:45pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I was a Junior Assistant Scout Master, in charge of pioneering at the time, when I left, at 18.

Philmont was my first trip out West, 40 years ago, now I live here. I can still head into the woods with barely nothing and survive if I needed to. Good skill to have, IMHO.

Philmont is the kind of place where, if you were ever unsure of the existence of a Creator, you wouldn't be unsure when you left.

248 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:29:08pm

re: #234 Charles

Ann Coulter says the Obama-Hitler signs are all the work of "sneaky liberals".


No True Scotsman.

249 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:29:23pm

re: #214 Pianobuff

Bravissimo! I'm starting to rotate different pianists. Why not, right?

Rotating one's pianists is always a good thing.

250 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:29:40pm

re: #236 Mr Pancakes

Well you directed it to me... and I'm not too thin skinned. Getting her over here was a major investment it time and tears... we had a daughter together when I worked in Mexico... forget the financial cost of doing it which was outrageous.

My daughter IS bilingual and I think that's great. Opens up opportunities for her.

I have no clue...it was a small thing, sorry

251 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:29:47pm

re: #242 Charles

Nuts to 'em then.

252 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:29:59pm

re: #234 Charles

Ann Coulter says the Obama-Hitler signs are all the work of "sneaky liberals".

That screen shot says it all; I don't need to watch the vid.

Geraldo is laughing at her, the guy on the left looks like he can barely suppress a snort of derision, and Coulter's eyes are rolling so far back in her head she looks like she's about to start channeling Linda Blair.

253 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:04pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

How much less than hardly anything is barely nothing?

Just myself if needed. But I would never head into the woods for any reason without certain items on me.

I don't even take a hike around here without a multi-purpose tool in my pocket and a compass (really).

If you have lived in a place like Colorado for any amount of time, you should know good practices.

This state recommenda you drive into the mountains without a few gallons of water, a blanket, a jacket, some rope, a first aid kit, good spare tire in your trunk.

254 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:38pm

re: #246 albusteve

Ouch, that'll ruin your day... and the day of the person who clicked it.

255 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:39pm

re: #242 Charles

It's too late... either you bought the troofer koolaid and became part of the rational left after 9-11, or you went whacko right and decided that it was actually a terrorist attack on our soil by nineteen jihadis.
You know what the song says... you got to serve somebody..
///heavy

256 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:47pm

re: #247 talon_262

Philmont is the kind of place where, if you were ever unsure of the existence of a Creator, you wouldn't be unsure when you left.

DOn't agree. But anyway, it's a wonderful place.

257 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:53pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

I do believe you have accomplished that goal spectacularly over the past month or so.

258 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:30:55pm

re: #204 Charles

I think Fox is just cynically trying to make money & they are not thinking much beyond that.

259 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:31:09pm

re: #224 Naso Tang

Cranky tonight?

No, he just doesn't like my suspicious use of Latin.

260 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:31:23pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

Send me a hundred dollar bill and I'll delete your record in our database.

261 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:31:51pm

re: #255 tradewind

It's too late... either you bought the troofer koolaid and became part of the rational left after 9-11, or you went whacko right and decided that it was actually a terrorist attack on our soil by nineteen jihadis.
You know what the song says... you got to serve somebody..
///heavy

Am I supposed to understand this?

262 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:32:03pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

Flounce from the right wing movement!

/

263 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:32:26pm

re: #239 John Neverbend

Look. I'll make a deal with you. I won't try to talk math with you - I haven't the faintest clue what your avatar picture represents - and you stop trying to look like you know Latin. Mmkay?

264 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:01pm

re: #257 Big Steve

I do believe you have accomplished that goal spectacularly over the past month or so.

Ya think?

265 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:06pm

re: #242 Charles

I would say Modern Whigs but I've said that a lot already.

266 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:31pm

re: #234 Charles

She said "rare"?! Wow.

267 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:37pm

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Just myself if needed. But I would never head into the woods for any reason without certain items on me.

I don't even take a hike around here without a multi-purpose tool in my pocket and a compass (really).

If you have lived in a place like Colorado for any amount of time, you should know good practices.

This state recommenda you drive into the mountains without a few gallons of water, a blanket, a jacket, some rope, a first aid kit, good spare tire in your trunk.

one mountain over is all it takes...lost...there is water, food, and a utility hatchet in my car right now...just a habit

268 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:39pm

re: #238 Gus 802

Fox News is trying to split this country right down the middle.


No, it's a business. They're trying to take their half of the ratings out of the middle, and they've done a fairly good job at it so far, talking cable share.

269 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:33:44pm

re: #265 Ojoe

Maybe you can talk them into a name change.

270 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:29pm

Normally I don't watch FOX but this afternoon it was on while I was at the gym. I don't know who the guy was but he has some woman on who was complaining that the government was forcing health care workers to get flu shots. He was sympathetic. However then she started going off on how the flu shot was bad medicine. He slammed her down, commented about the intense work of the CDC, asked for her facts, of which she had none, then shut down the conversation, hung up on her and apologized to the audience. Anyway else see this?

271 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:30pm

re: #263 Cato the Elder

Look. I'll make a deal with you. I won't try to talk math with you - I haven't the faintest clue what your avatar picture represents - and you stop trying to look like you know Latin. Mmkay?

No, bugger off. I do know Latin and some Homeric and Attic Greek. I actually am less sure of what my avatar represents, but I know that the man who came up with it was a sodding genius.

272 transient  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:32pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

It would probably take a confession that Obama is the Messiah, and that's not worth it.

I recall a quote from several years ago to the effect that in times of extremism, moderation is disrespected.

Stand your ground. We respect you here.

273 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:34pm

re: #268 tradewind

No, it's a business. They're trying to take their half of the ratings out of the middle, and they've done a fairly good job at it so far, talking cable share.

No, it is not just business. Murdoch has a political agenda.

274 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:52pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

After you eat it, you'll need to wear a Borscht belt.

275 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:57pm

re: #261 Charles

It was sarcasm. It's not as if you sign up for one side and need permission to remove your name. If you meant that other places and blogs are assigning you to the right wing, then screw 'em.

276 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:34:59pm

re: #231 Cato the Elder

Eh?

Never mind. Joke.

277 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:35:14pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

my bad walter..(brown vs. board of ed was about segregation)the case about school prayer...i may have my years screwed up...

278 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:35:29pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

Sure enough..I'll make a deal with you..
As you know I was the Republican of the year in 2003..You know me..
You tell me where my frigging party went and I'll tell you how to resign from it..
Deal?
/Pisses me off...Frack!

279 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:35:49pm

re: #267 albusteve

one mountain over is all it takes...lost...there is water, food, and a utility hatchet in my car right now...just a habit

Yep. Honestly, we have a TON of open space and trails here in Jefferson Country, but it's never a good idea even to take an hour walk in the mountains here without some standard survival items on your person. I've seen it drop 40 degrees in one hour, even in the mid-summer.

280 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:35:58pm

re: #271 John Neverbend

No, bugger off. I do know Latin and some Homeric and Attic Greek. I actually am less sure of what my avatar represents, but I know that the man who came up with it was a sodding genius.

Ooh. "Bugger" and "sodding" in one paragraph.

Maybe you can guess where I'd suggest you put your "adeorum".

281 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:36:17pm

re: #268 tradewind

No, it's a business. They're trying to take their half of the ratings out of the middle, and they've done a fairly good job at it so far, talking cable share.

That's not my quote.

Actually, I think when we try to blow this off as a business decision is disingenuous. What Beck and others do at Fox "News" is a reflection of Ruppert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. As they say, the fish rots from the head down.

282 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:36:48pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

Sure enough..I'll make a deal with you..
As you know I was the Republican of the year in 2003..You know me..
You tell me where my frigging party went and I'll tell you how to resign from it..
Deal?
/Pisses me off...Frack!

So say we all.

But where it went is into surrender to the darkest threads in the American psyche. Don't even go there to resign. Just send a letter.

283 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:37:25pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

DOn't agree. But anyway, it's a wonderful place.

I consider myself somewhat of a deist, although I'm marginally a lapsed Methodist...everytime I go to Philmont, I always find something new that awes and amazes me.

284 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:37:47pm

re: #269 jaunte

I think it is a good name:

1. Historic; & there have been Whig presidents already.

2. too weird a name for any current political baggage to stick to it.


BBL

285 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:38:10pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

Ooh. "Bugger" and "sodding" in one paragraph.

Maybe you can guess where I'd suggest you put your "adeorum".

Now, now Cato. That was just an exercise in English schoolboy Latin.

286 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #234 Charles

Lol

287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:38:31pm

re: #271 John Neverbend

No, bugger off. I do know Latin and some Homeric and Attic Greek. I actually am less sure of what my avatar represents, but I know that the man who came up with it was a sodding genius.

You mean he was an arrant fool (sodding)?

288 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:38:57pm

They say we all
Lost out tails
E volving up
From little snails
I say it's all
Just wind and sails
Are we not SoCons?
We are Disco.

/ Santorum off

289 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:39:16pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

You tell me where my frigging party went and I'll tell you how to resign from it..

Right there with ya, buddy.

290 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:39:23pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

You mean he was an arrant fool (sodding)?

An arrant knave perhaps, as in Hamlet?

291 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:39:33pm

re: #282 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't even go there to resign. Just send a letter.

I got a survey from The GOP today and didn't answer any of the stupid questions, just wrote "Glen Beck is an idiot" with a sharpie pen and put it in the return envelope.

292 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:40:05pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

I guess he doesn't meddle with the entertainment division, then. And this quote is so out of character for someone with a far-right agenda...

In a 2008 interview with Walt Mossberg, Murdoch was asked whether he had "anything to do with the New York Post's endorsement of Barack Obama." Without hesitating, Murdoch replied, "Yeah. He is a rock star. It's fantastic. I love what he is saying about education. I don't think he will win Florida... but he will win in Ohio and the election. I am anxious to meet him. I want to see if he will walk the walk."[21][22]
293 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:40:19pm

OT, but has anyone see Yooper?

294 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:40:22pm

re: #291 Mich-again

I got a survey from The GOP today and didn't answer any of the stupid questions, just wrote "Glen Beck is an idiot" with a sharpie pen and put it in the return envelope.

The Glenn Oligarhy Party

295 centaur  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:40:52pm

"I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird." -- Said Frank.

296 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:41:14pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Oh, I see that, my mistake.

297 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:41:32pm

re: #293 Irish Rose

OT, but has anyone see Yooper?

He was here earlier..

298 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:41:34pm

Evening lizards.

299 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:41:47pm

re: #279 Walter L. Newton

Yep. Honestly, we have a TON of open space and trails here in Jefferson Country, but it's never a good idea even to take an hour walk in the mountains here without some standard survival items on your person. I've seen it drop 40 degrees in one hour, even in the mid-summer.

I usually grab my day pack, chock full of extras if I go day hiking...it depends but NM gets desolate very quickly...knowing your turf is beyond valuable too...and alot of long views down here will easily get you oriented if you know where you started

300 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:41:52pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

He was here earlier..

Tanks.

301 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:42:38pm

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards.

Good evening.

302 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:42:48pm

re: #299 albusteve

I usually grab my day pack, chock full of extras if I go day hiking...it depends but NM gets desolate very quickly...knowing your turf is beyond valuable too...and alot of long views down here will easily get you oriented if you know where you started

To those who don't get out like that, they do not know what real religion is... if you get my drift.

303 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:42:50pm

re: #270 Big Steve

Normally I don't watch FOX but this afternoon it was on while I was at the gym. I don't know who the guy was but he has some woman on who was complaining that the government was forcing health care workers to get flu shots. He was sympathetic. However then she started going off on how the flu shot was bad medicine. He slammed her down, commented about the intense work of the CDC, asked for her facts, of which she had none, then shut down the conversation, hung up on her and apologized to the audience. Anyway else see this?

Yep. I was looking for news of the tsunami and watched Shep.

304 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:43:34pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

If you never joined, you can never resign.

305 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:43:35pm

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Just myself if needed. But I would never head into the woods for any reason without certain items on me.

I don't even take a hike around here without a multi-purpose tool in my pocket and a compass (really).

If you have lived in a place like Colorado for any amount of time, you should know good practices.

This state recommenda you drive into the mountains without a few gallons of water, a blanket, a jacket, some rope, a first aid kit, good spare tire in your trunk.

Same goes for the State o' Maine. My trunk is equipped accordingly.

306 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #296 tradewind

Oh, I see that, my mistake.

Roger. Have to watch the text field when this thing is flying around.

307 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:43:47pm

Looks like bat guano flounced.
Anyone else fly the coop today?

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:44:23pm

re: #307 Irish Rose

Looks like bat guano flounced.
Anyone else fly the coop today?

I like the avatar!

309 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

To those who don't get out like that, they do not know what real religion is... if you get my drift.

ohmmm

310 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:44:49pm

re: #301 Irish Rose

Good evening.

Hi Rose. I saw James Traficant interviewed on Hannity a few minutes ago. The guy is off his rocker.

311 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:45:36pm

re: #304 Spare O'Lake

If you never joined, you can never resign.

Can we start the Princess Bride quotes now?

You didn't say it; you didn't do it.
312 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:45:57pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

Same goes for the State o' Maine. My trunk is equipped accordingly.

I use to camp a lot in the Bar Harbor area, Arcadia National Park, when I was younger, with my family, in the 60's. Loved the coast there.

313 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:46:10pm

34 Deaths in Samoa from the Tsunami

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

314 centaur  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:46:16pm

Inconceivable!

315 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:46:24pm

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

did he have the hair with the chin-strap,or is he using the spray-on stuff now?

316 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:46:27pm

Charles- if you want to get kicked out of the right you need to do the following:

Embrace Darwinism, accept climate change, expose odious connections of beloved right-wing figures like Ann Coulter and Robert Spencer, be less than flattering to beloved right-wing figures like Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck, be your own person, reject vlaams belang and friends, and last but not least- be less than enthused about Sarah Palin. That ought to do it.

Oh, wait...

317 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:46:43pm

re: #304 Spare O'Lake

Maybe it's Hotel California///
You can check out any time you want
But you can never leave...
.

318 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:47:17pm

re: #307 Irish Rose

Looks like bat guano flounced.
Anyone else fly the coop today?

That happened weeks ago.

319 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:47:20pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

Same goes for the State o' Maine. My trunk is equipped accordingly.

Maine can be very dangerous...inland is a huge tract of flat, mind boggling wilderness...civilization peters out as fast as anywhere I've ever been

320 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:47:36pm

re: #303 MandyManners

Yep. I was looking for news of the tsunami and watched Shep.

You are right. Shepard Smith and below is the clip. He does an excellent job once he realizes he has an anti-vax'r on his hands.
Shep Smith H1N1

321 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:47:54pm

re: #316 Sharmuta

Charles- if you want to get kicked out of the right you need to do the following:

Embrace Darwinism, accept climate change, expose odious connections of beloved right-wing figures like Ann Coulter and Robert Spencer, be less than flattering to beloved right-wing figures like Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck, be your own person, reject vlaams belang and friends, and last but not least- be less than enthused about Sarah Palin. That ought to do it.

Oh, wait...

You forgot to add "think for yourself".

322 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:48:09pm

re: #319 albusteve

and stephen king lives there...(cue spooky music)

323 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:48:13pm

re: #314 centaur

What you do not smell is right wing powder. It is odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid, and is among the more deadly poisons known to man.

324 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:48:16pm

Just curious, but what do the R's, former R's (now Independents), and I's on this board think needs be done to turn that ship around? How can the Republican brand regain relevance when teh krazees are running the store?

Keep in mind, I'm a Texas Democrat, which means that I fully understand that the loons have been running this State since 1992. What y'all are seeing in the rest of the country has been de riguer for almost two decades down here.

325 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:48:22pm

re: #309 albusteve

ohmmm

Yep, you got my drift. You know where I get religion? Walk into a pre-columbian ruin, a kiva, a cliff dwelling. I don't mean "religion" as in anything metaphysical, but I mean in the sudden "force" you feel of those people, the determination, living in such a place, the dedication, that's the real power, enough to bring me to tears every time.

326 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:49:11pm

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

327 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:49:28pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

Maybe you can guess where I'd suggest you put your "adeorum".

(Lacking all spontaneity, but combining Latin and mathematics):

Up the latus rectum?

328 bosforus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:50:18pm

re: #326 Thanos

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

Another sheepy horn moment.

329 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:51:07pm

re: #324 austin_blue

How can the Republican brand regain relevance when teh krazees are running the store?

I don't know if anything can right the ship until this bunch gets utterly humiliated in 2012.

330 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:51:31pm

re: #327 John Neverbend

(Lacking all spontaneity, but combining Latin and mathematics):

Up the latus rectum?

Up a latus rectum by the old mill run
The latus, latus rectum in the noon day sun
Linger in the shade of a kind old tree
Throw away your troubles
Dream a dream with me-ee

331 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:52:11pm

re: #320 Big Steve

You are right. Shepard Smith and below is the clip. He does an excellent job once he realizes he has an anti-vax'r on his hands.
Shep Smith H1N1

I wonder whose ass got chewed for not vetting her.

332 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:52:18pm

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

Hi Rose. I saw James Traficant interviewed on Hannity a few minutes ago. The guy is off his rocker.

So he's out of jail now?

Why is he getting any publicity?

Or am I thinking of somebody else?

333 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:52:34pm

re: #329 Mich-again

I don't know if anything can right the ship until this bunch gets utterly humiliated in 2012.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #332 Conservative Moonbat

So he's out of jail now?

Why is he getting any publicity?

Or am I thinking of somebody else?

No, you're thinking of him.

335 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #320 Big Steve

You are right. Shepard Smith and below is the clip. He does an excellent job once he realizes he has an anti-vax'r on his hands.
Shep Smith H1N1

Truther alert! Now I'm wondering what else this nurse, Sue Field, is all about. One of the signs at this "protest" has a sign that read, "Vaccine Mandate = Tyranny." The word tyranny should tell us something about the individual within the context of current events.

Of course, The Drudge Report is seemingly reporting this "protest" with glee in bold caps:

HEALTH CARE WORKERS REVOLT: 'NO FORCED SHOTS!'
336 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:54:13pm

re: #326 Thanos

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

"WASHINGTON (AP) - In a long-anticipated showdown, liberal Democrats twice failed on Tuesday to inject a government-run insurance option into sweeping health care legislation taking shape in the Senate, despite bipartisan agreement that private insurers must change their ways."

Who writes this copy. "Liberal Democrat," what the fuck is the difference?

337 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:54:29pm

re: #325 Walter L. Newton

Yep, you got my drift. You know where I get religion? Walk into a pre-columbian ruin, a kiva, a cliff dwelling. I don't mean "religion" as in anything metaphysical, but I mean in the sudden "force" you feel of those people, the determination, living in such a place, the dedication, that's the real power, enough to bring me to tears every time.

I'm deep into that stuff and have been studying precontact culture down here...I'm fascinated with the Pueblos and their ancestors and that stuff is everywhere down here...still Mesa Verde is the primo, that and Chaco canyon

beyond that I've tried to learn as much as possible of early Anglo history down here as well...it's just tons of stuff...I'll never catch up...but the spiritual aspect of native/natural/enviro life here is real and palatable if you want it to be...

338 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:55:04pm

re: #326 Thanos

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

No surprise. It was never going to make it out of the Finance Committee. with a PO. There's still the HHS (?) bill that has a strong PO and the House bill that will have a strong PO so by the time the sausage is made we'll have a PO in some shape form or fashion. I have a hunch Obama is going to do his arm twisting at the conference committee stage.

339 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

Up a latus rectum by the old mill run
The latus, latus rectum in the noon day sun
Linger in the shade of a kind old tree
Throw away your troubles
Dream a dream with me-ee

Wonderful adaptation. Of course, it doesn't make all that much sense if you know what the latus rectum actually is.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #332 Conservative Moonbat

So he's out of jail now?

Why is he getting any publicity?

Or am I thinking of somebody else?

Yes, he;s out and he's hitting the talk show circuit. He went on an anti-Israel diatribe saying, among other things, that Congress is controlled by Israel.

341 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:55:38pm

re: #324 austin_blue

That's a damn good question that I have no answer for.

342 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #326 Thanos

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

Pity. An expansion of Medicare with its 3% overhead would have provided millions of uninsured with an affordable option, with low premiums and subsidies. Now, when they get sick or injured, they will go to the emergency room, incur significantly greater costs, and my fellow taxpayers and I will have to pick up the tab through local taxes. Way to go, Senate!

343 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:56:21pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, he;s out and he's hitting the talk show circuit. He went on an anti-Israel diatribe saying, among other things, that Congress is controlled by Israel.

And Fox News is heavily promoting Traficant. He was cheered at a tea party protest.

344 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:56:28pm

re: #250 albusteve

I have no clue...it was a small thing, sorry

Ok... apology accepted...

But just remember that if anyone asks you how much your wife cost (especially if she is from a 3rd world country) isn't really a "small thing"... it's rude, and you should have a clue.

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:56:28pm

BTW, was everyone but me aware of this place?

346 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:56:50pm

re: #326 Thanos

Moonbat heads to explode, Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

It had to go, the conservatives had neutered that option, not sorry to see it go myself.

347 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:56:54pm

re: #329 Mich-again

I don't know if anything can right the ship until this bunch gets utterly humiliated in 2012.

I think you are right. (pun unintended, but I suspect probably correct. :-))

348 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Just curious, but what do the R's, former R's (now Independents), and I's on this board think needs be done to turn that ship around? How can the Republican brand regain relevance when teh krazees are running the store?

Keep in mind, I'm a Texas Democrat, which means that I fully understand that the loons have been running this State since 1992. What y'all are seeing in the rest of the country has been de riguer for almost two decades down here.

Lonely there in TX are ya?

God Bless Texas!

349 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:57:20pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Who writes this copy. "Liberal Democrat," what the fuck is the difference?

Conservative democrats such as Max Baccus were opposed to it.

350 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:57:31pm

re: #344 Mr Pancakes

Ok... apology accepted...

But just remember that if anyone asks you how much your wife cost (especially if she is from a 3rd world country) isn't really a "small thing"... it's rude, and you should have a clue.

I apologized...I don't need a cheezy lecture

351 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:57:51pm

Traficant must have had some serious money socked away. His cronies and fellow travelers are coming to his defense now.

352 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:58:34pm

re: #350 albusteve

I apologized...I don't need a cheezy lecture

Thanks for the cheezy response

353 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:58:37pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, he;s out and he's hitting the talk show circuit. He went on an anti-Israel diatribe saying, among other things, that Congress is controlled by Israel.

So Fox just but the biggest known Democratic nutjob on TV to make Democrats look bad?

Figures.

354 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:58:38pm

re: #347 austin_blue

Yeah- I'm with Mich. A completely landslide loss like 1984. It took until 1992 for the democrats to nominate a candidate who could "triangulate". Until the GOP realizes it has to moderate- there will be no correcting of the ship's direction. It has to hit the rocks first.

355 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:58:39pm

Tigers hold on by the skin of their teeth to split the doubleheader with the Twins. Magic number is now 4.

356 swamprat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:59:12pm

re: #325 Walter L. Newton

Yep, you got my drift. You know where I get religion? Walk into a pre-columbian ruin, a kiva, a cliff dwelling. I don't mean "religion" as in anything metaphysical, but I mean in the sudden "force" you feel of those people, the determination, living in such a place, the dedication, that's the real power, enough to bring me to tears every time.

Went to a museum in Arizona, I think.
There were the remains of a mother and her child.
My wife started getting upset.
She explained.
"See the piece of jewelry around her neck, the eagle?
Now look at the baby- there is one too.
She has an eagle. The baby's is round.
Those missing pieces on hers didn't fall off.
They were removed to make the baby's.
Hers has sharp edges, but she took the pieces from hers to make to the round one for her baby so it could have one too, but round with no sharp corners.
They both got sick"

I sometimes hate having an intuitive and insightful wife.

357 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 6:59:39pm

re: #348 marjoriemoon

Lonely there in TX are ya?

God Bless Texas!

Used as the soundtrack for God knows how many Ford commercials down here.

358 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:00:37pm

re: #350 albusteve

I apologized...I don't need a cheezy lecture

Dude, you screwed the dog. Man up.

359 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:00:43pm

re: #353 Conservative Moonbat

So Fox just but the biggest known Democratic nutjob on TV to make Democrats look bad?

Figures.


He looked freaky crazy. He vowed revenge on all those who put him in jail.

360 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #353 Conservative Moonbat

So Fox just but the biggest known Democratic nutjob on TV to make Democrats look bad?

Figures.

Traficant is a DINO, and I'm not talking about Fred Flintstone's cute little velociraptor.

361 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:01:39pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

"WASHINGTON (AP) - In a long-anticipated showdown, liberal Democrats twice failed on Tuesday to inject a government-run insurance option into sweeping health care legislation taking shape in the Senate, despite bipartisan agreement that private insurers must change their ways."

Who writes this copy. "Liberal Democrat," what the fuck is the difference?

Walter if we are willing to recognize that there is a gradient from Moderate to Hard Con Crazy on our side, I think it behooves us to recognize that the same might exist on the other side. Jim Webb didn't get elected in VA as a hollywood or NY liberal as just one example.

362 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:02:00pm

re: #303 MandyManners

Shep is the only normal voice left at Fox. I love that guy!

363 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:02:52pm

Recent event surrounding vaccinations:

In public health bill, a contagion of fear - State rebuts talk of forced injections

The banner, bold and provocative, was tattooed with a syringe, skull and crossbones, and a call to action: “Say no to forced vaccination.’’

...

“We have a concern that we will be forced to be quarantined if we refuse the vaccine,’’ said Laura Jackson, president of the Liberty Preservation Association of Massachusetts, which mustered 30 to 40 members for the lobbying drive. “What I’d like to see done with this law is have it burned.’’

...

The bill, Auerbach and other top officials said in interviews, would never force anyone to be vaccinated unwillingly, and its extraordinary measures - such as quarantining people who decline inoculations - would be reserved for equally extraordinary times, such as a bioterror attack or the emergence of a highly lethal, rapidly spreading germ. Swine flu, caused by the H1N1 virus, is not such a germ, Auerbach said.

The protest by the group, whose founders supported Republican Ron Paul in the 2008 presidential election, reached its pitch at an especially delicate moment for public health authorities. Auerbach’s letter demonstrates that his agency is worried the dissent could raise doubts about vaccination and imperil an unprecedented campaign to inoculate millions this fall against the seasonal flu and the swine strain.

The usual suspects.

364 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #337 albusteve

I'm deep into that stuff and have been studying precontact culture down here...I'm fascinated with the Pueblos and their ancestors and that stuff is everywhere down here...still Mesa Verde is the primo, that and Chaco canyon

beyond that I've tried to learn as much as possible of early Anglo history down here as well...it's just tons of stuff...I'll never catch up...but the spiritual aspect of native/natural/enviro life here is real and palatable if you want it to be...

We have a lot of similar interest in that area. Been there, done that, seen all that, I have a lot of books on the subject, and a lot of artifacts.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:03:27pm

re: #351 Charles

re: #341 Killgore Trout

That sleazeball at Weasel Zippers mentioned both of you today.

Charles Johnson is reported to be on suicide watch, luckily Kilgore Trout is on the scene telling Chuckles how totally awesome he is and that he's not a washed up hack...

(I won't post the link.)

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:04:03pm

re: #356 swamprat

Went to a museum in Arizona, I think.
There were the remains of a mother and her child.
My wife started getting upset.
She explained.
"See the piece of jewelry around her neck, the eagle?
Now look at the baby- there is one too.
She has an eagle. The baby's is round.
Those missing pieces on hers didn't fall off.
They were removed to make the baby's.
Hers has sharp edges, but she took the pieces from hers to make to the round one for her baby so it could have one too, but round with no sharp corners.
They both got sick"

I sometimes hate having an intuitive and insightful wife.

Oh. I have a friend like that. Sometimes it's very hard indeed.

I don't like bodies on display in museums in general. Especially now that we can do all this computerized display stuff. It doesn't seem respectful.

367 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:04:44pm

re: #358 austin_blue

Dude, you screwed the dog. Man up.

I did...what more is there to it?

368 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

We have a lot of similar interest in that area. Been there, done that, seen all that, I have a lot of books on the subject, and a lot of artifacts.

I could learn alot from you then...

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:05:36pm

re: #359 NJDhockeyfan

He looked freaky crazy. He vowed revenge on all those who put him in jail.

Who does he he think he is, Billy the Kid?

370 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:05:41pm

The public option isn't dead.

There are other bills going through other committees.

Then, when both the Senate and House have voted, the two bills will go to a conference committee. That is where the "public option" will live or die. you might be shocked to find that a public option is absent from both the house and senate bills yet is part of the bill coming out of the conference committee. That is where the deals will be done behind closed doors so that no one owns what the president wants.

371 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:05:56pm

re: #351 Charles

Traficant must have had some serious money socked away. His cronies and fellow travelers are coming to his defense now.

And that sucks...Tafficant's a three-ring circus all by his lonesome.

372 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:06:27pm

Protest H1N1 Mandatory Vaccination in Albany

This protest was advertised on Meetup by "Campaign for Liberty" a Ron Paul group.

Organizer.

//Surprise, surprise!

373 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:06:34pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Recent event surrounding vaccinations:

In public health bill, a contagion of fear - State rebuts talk of forced injections

The usual suspects.

Which one of the loons is Keyser Soze, then? ;)

374 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:07:12pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Who does he he think he is, Billy the Kid?

ooohh!...more New Mexico lore?

375 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:07:19pm

re: #362 Irenicum

Shep is the only normal voice left at Fox. I love that guy!

I prefer Cavuto.

376 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:07:41pm

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

Which one of the loons is Keyser Soze, then? ;)

All of them probably. I already found the Ron Paul link.

377 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:07:47pm

re: #367 albusteve

I did...what more is there to it?

You asked how much he paid for his wife. When you pay for a woman you are buying a...???

If he had said that he was finally able to get his wife into the US from Ireland or Germany, would you have made the same post?

Honestly now...

378 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:07:49pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Who does he he think he is, Billy the Kid?

Or John Wesley Hardin

379 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #370 karmic_inquisitor

you might be shocked to find that a public option is absent from both the house and senate bills yet is part of the bill coming out of the conference committee. That is where the deals will be done behind closed doors so that no one owns what the president wants.

Agreed. Behind closed doors is where politicians do their best work.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:30pm

re: #375 MandyManners

I prefer Cavuto.

Me too. Shep get too dramatic at times.

381 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:39pm

re: #379 Mich-again

Agreed. Behind closed doors is where politicians do their best work.

In bed.
Oh wait, that's Bill Clinton.

382 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:52pm

re: #377 austin_blue

You asked how much he paid for his wife. When you pay for a woman you are buying a...???

If he had said that he was finally able to get his wife into the US from Ireland or Germany, would you have made the same post?

Honestly now...

okay, there is more to be said...post away

383 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:56pm

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks for the heads up but I stopped googling my nic for the time being. There are a lot of really pissed off crazy folks out there it's tough to keep up.

384 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:08:59pm

re: #372 Gus 802

Protest H1N1 Mandatory Vaccination in Albany

This protest was advertised on Meetup by "Campaign for Liberty" a Ron Paul group.

Organizer.

//Surprise, surprise!

Ron Paul is a licensed MD. If he supports this crap, the Texas Medical Board should pull his license.

385 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:09:27pm

Here is fine quote from a blog that will go linkless ...

Charles Johnson followed in the footsteps of Bill Buckley. Purging the right for speaking up for whites is neoconism.

386 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:09:49pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Who does he he think he is, Billy the Kid?

*Festus voice* Now Matthew, don't go gettin' yoursself riled up, it ain't good fer ya. Doc ain't the only one who know that!

387 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:09:57pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

{Killgore}

Did you get my email the other day? I only ask because I know sometimes they don't go through.

388 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:09:58pm

Here's another one regarding the Albany Protest:

PROTEST AGAINST FORCED VACCINATION

Same deal with the Ron Paul groups:

Tax Free Society
Rensselaer County Campaign for Liberty Ron Paul Meetup
Saratoga Campaign for Liberty Ron Paul Meetup
Capital District Libertarian Party

389 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:05pm

re: #378 Kosh's Shadow

Or John Wesley Hardin

he supposedly shot a guy for snoring in the infamous St. James Hotel in Cimarron...bad dude

390 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:33pm

re: #385 karmic_inquisitor

Here is fine quote from a blog that will go linkless ...

Now that's intriguing.

391 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:44pm

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, was everyone but me aware of this place?

Parts of Florida are very "deep south" so you're going to see stuff like that in certain places. Tampa is part of Hillsborough County, but so are other smaller cities. That area is typically Republican although much of it went Democrat in the 2008 election. The center part near Orlando if I'm not mistaken.

392 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:45pm

re: #385 karmic_inquisitor

Here is fine quote from a blog that will go linkless ...

I would call that high praise.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #374 albusteve

ooohh!...more New Mexico lore?

Well, the Kid is buried there, I think, but I was just thinking, who the hell swears revenge on the people who jailed him? Drug dealers and Old West outlaws.

394 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:52pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Ron Paul is a licensed MD. If he supports this crap, the Texas Medical Board should pull his license.

You think they would. Does he still have his license?

395 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:53pm

re: #242 Charles

Can someone please tell me where I can go to resign from the "right wing" movement that I never joined?

This craziness is WAY too much for me.

"You can check out anytime you like, but..."

396 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:53pm

re: #368 albusteve

I could learn alot from you then...

Man Corn.

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:55pm

re: #385 karmic_inquisitor

Is that supposed to be an insult?

I'd take it as a compliment to be compared to Buckley, but that's just me.

398 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:11:35pm

re: #370 karmic_inquisitor

The public option isn't dead.

Weep no more, woeful shepherds, weep no more,
The public option, your sorrow, is not dead,
Sunk though it be beneath the watery floor.

399 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:11:36pm

Anderson Cooper has on Michael Moore.

400 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:11:42pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Here's another one regarding the Albany Protest:

PROTEST AGAINST FORCED VACCINATION

Same deal with the Ron Paul groups:

Anti-Vax Protest = Moronic Converance

401 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:11:45pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Ron Paul is a licensed MD. If he supports this crap, the Texas Medical Board should pull his license.

Warning: Crackpot Ron Paul Site

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

402 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:12:32pm
403 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:12:37pm

re: #387 Sharmuta

{Killgore}

Did you get my email the other day? I only ask because I know sometimes they don't go through.

Yeah I got it. It's not a surprise, I even stopped compiling my list of counter examples because I knew that certain people would never acknowledge it. It was a wasted effort.

404 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the Kid is buried there, I think, but I was just thinking, who the hell swears revenge on the people who jailed him? Drug dealers and Old West outlaws.

he's buried in old Ft Sumner...but his legacy is alive and well over there...folks still have strong opinions about the Kid...for real

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:12:47pm

re: #389 albusteve

he supposedly shot a guy for snoring in the infamous St. James Hotel in Cimarron...bad dude

I have shared quarters with a few snorers where I might have tried that if I had any means of getting out of town afterward.

406 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:04pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Anderson Cooper has on Michael Moore.

I can't stand Anderson Cooper. I try. I really did. I just can't watch him.

407 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:07pm

Also note the candidates to vote and campaign against in the right sidebar of the link I posted above.

408 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:16pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

I thought that's where you might be at.

I found it very telling.

409 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:24pm

re: #401 Thanos

Warning: Crackpot Ron Paul Site

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

You could tell it was "them" by looking at the video. I bet more than half the people in attendance weren't even in the medical profession.

410 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:35pm

re: #389 albusteve

he supposedly shot a guy for snoring in the infamous St. James Hotel in Cimarron...bad dude

Yet Bob Dylan wrote a song saying he was a nice guy. Sure.
When he was killed, the inquest jury decided that if he was shot in the eye, it was great marksmanship, and if he was shot in the back of the head and the bullet came out his eye, it was justice.

411 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

Indeed.

412 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:13:45pm

re: #401 Thanos

Warning: Crackpot Ron Paul Site

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

They think about the good doctor enough to generate daily content about him?

And I thought I had no life!

413 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:14:03pm

If the vaccine doesn't work, it was a conspiracy to reduce the population.
If the vaccine does work it was a conspiracy to make money from a contrived threat.

For any possible outcome, rest assured there will be a CT.

414 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #382 albusteve

okay, there is more to be said...post away

Then say it, may man! We are here for discussion, not pansy innuendo! How does one justify your original post? I'd repost your 196, but Charles deleted it with appropriate malice. It was despicable.

415 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:15:08pm

re: #385 karmic_inquisitor

Here is fine quote from a blog that will go linkless ...Charles Johnson followed in the footsteps of Bill Buckley.

Purging the right for speaking up for whites is neoconism.


Charles could do a lot worse.

416 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:15:36pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

I have shared quarters with a few snorers where I might have tried that if I had any means of getting out of town afterward.

the old St. James is a priceless American artifact...lots of history, bullet holes all over the place...John Wesley Hardin was a complete psycho, a murderous heathen without a doubt

417 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:15:58pm

re: #401 Thanos

Warning: Crackpot Ron Paul Site

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

There's a ron paul dating service?

418 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:16:07pm

Still valid according to the Texas Medical Board:

Lic. #D0721 PAUL, RONALD ERNEST MD PHYSICIAN
Specialties: OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY
Practice Address
NONE

419 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #324 austin_blue
I'm a Republican from a southern state, although we usually split our ballots here... you're not required to vote a straight ticket or declare to vote in a primary. Neither one of my senators is a whack job... both are republicans.
I went to a church-affiliated high school, where I was taught evolution in all my science classes, and was never shown a diorama of a cave child with a dinosaur... that school , while church affiliated, produces a consistently high percentage of national merit scholarship finalists. The church I attend on Sundays prays every service for ' Barack, our president', and I've never heard a word against the teaching of evolution, or a hint of wanting him to come to harm. Probably most of my friends vote Republican at the top of the ticket, pretty consistently.
I've never heard even one of them who said they went to a tea party.
My point is that while Beck is a foamer, and there is bad nuttiness on the far side of the right wing, I think the focus on it is quite narrow when it comes to the party in general. I expect that the Republicans will make gains in the midterm elections, and while I doubt that Obama will be unseated in 2012 barring some unfortunate occurrence that I would not want, even if it meant his defeat, I also doubt that the Republican party will nominate a neanderthal.
So... what I think should be done probably will be. Calmer heads will prevail, the entertainment will continue for people who feed off of it, but the Republican party will survive.

420 swamprat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:16:25pm

re: #350 albusteve
Arlo Guthrie was a close friend of Hoyt Axton.

He mentioned to his wife that he loved Hoyt's' song about a beautiful maid south of the border. They'd been married about thirty years;
"Uh, Arlo?"
"Hoyt wrote that song about me."

421 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:17:18pm

Oh, btw speaking of Ron Paul, he was on the daily show today, notice how Lew Rockwell is pimping for him?

[Link: www.google.com...]

422 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:17:22pm

re: #401 Thanos

Warning: Crackpot Ron Paul Site

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

That settles whether he supports it.

Charles, could you please put up another thread for this topic? It really does deserve its own thread.

423 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:17:33pm

re: #419 tradewind

well said

424 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:17:37pm

re: #418 Gus 802

Still valid according to the Texas Medical Board:

Lic. #D0721 PAUL, RONALD ERNEST MD PHYSICIAN
Specialties: OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY
Practice Address
NONE

He's probably about as much a practicing doctor as Dr Gil Morgan of the Champions Golf Tour.
And Dr Morgan is better for society.

425 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #418 Gus 802
Wow. I wouldn't want him delivering my baby... he'd probably pull out some scary hundred year old forceps, and say that epidurals were a government plot.

426 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:18:28pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

There's a ron paul dating service?

Yes, I'm "HunkyPatriot88". It's working out pretty well for me so far.

427 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:18:34pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe he thinks he's a Batman super-villain? Hmmm, what would his super-villain name be...? His hair would have to have some super powers of some kind.

428 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:18:36pm

re: #389 albusteve

he supposedly shot a guy for snoring in the infamous St. James Hotel in Cimarron...bad dude

I've toured the St. James...creepy place.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:18:36pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

There's a ron paul dating service?

Yes! Here ya go...find your dream date.

Welcome to Ron Paul Singles, the online dating community for freedom-loving individuals.We're here for single men and women who want to make a connection with those who share the values of liberty, honesty and limited constitutional government.

Whether you are looking for a date, love, friendship or romance Ron Paul Singles is the place to meet.

Our goal is simple, help you meet your match with a partner who shares your passion for the Ron Paul Revolution and permanently reigning in our government.

Ron Paul Singles provides a simple, safe and fun atmosphere for viewing and contacting liberty-minded singles. Our profile system allows members to set up photo albums and blogs and engage in dynamic, real-time chat sessions. Send winks, messages, blog articles as well as browse prospective dating partners from your area and worldwide.

Join us and be part of the LOVE R3volution. you could be moments away from meeting your match!

430 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:00pm
431 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:17pm

re: #425 tradewind

Wow. I wouldn't want him delivering my baby... he'd probably pull out some scary hundred year old forceps, and say that epidurals were a government plot.

Yeah, with a shot of whiskey and some ether for the anesthetic.

/

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:33pm

re: #416 albusteve

the old St. James is a priceless American artifact...lots of history, bullet holes all over the place...John Wesley Hardin was a complete psycho, a murderous heathen without a doubt

Speaking of bullet holes...

The school I teach at has a very amateur nineteenth-century canvas of Potiphar's wife seducing Joseph. It was donated along with some money, and we wanted the money, so...it hangs in front of the cafeteria.

It was earlier the property of a saloon in San Francisco, and when I interviewed, I was shown the carefully repaired bullet hole in the canvas.

It is one of my favorite things on campus.

433 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:38pm

re: #424 Taqyia2Me

I was thinking Dr. Smith from Lost in Space.

434 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:44pm

re: #413 Mich-again

If the vaccine doesn't work, it was a conspiracy to reduce the population.
If the vaccine does work it was a conspiracy to make money from a contrived threat.

For any possible outcome, rest assured there will be a CT.

You remember the plot of Rainbow Six? The corperation produces a new virus and prepares two vaccines. Vaccine A kills ya. Vaccine B (Which they make sure to use on themselves) protects you.

All this has happened before, and will happen again...

435 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:46pm

BBIAB

436 wee fury  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:57pm

I believe Beck is in need of some serious medication. FOX news could use a dose too.

437 albusteve  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:20:01pm

re: #414 austin_blue

Then say it, may man! We are here for discussion, not pansy innuendo! How does one justify your original post? I'd repost your 196, but Charles deleted it with appropriate malice. It was despicable.

he should have, and I regret it...I misread the whole thing and don't justify it

438 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #377 austin_blue

You asked how much he paid for his wife. When you pay for a woman you are buying a...???

If he had said that he was finally able to get his wife into the US from Ireland or Germany, would you have made the same post?

Honestly now...

Exactly... Mexican women are just sexual fodder... give em a few bucks and throw them in your trunk. How hard could it be? I'm mean how much do they cost was his original statement. Like, what does that cost can I get one too? Hardy har har har!!!

439 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:20:15pm

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

Oh for the love of Pete! or Paul!

I guess that's the only time that phrase actually means something.

440 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #418 Gus 802

Still valid according to the Texas Medical Board:

Lic. #D0721 PAUL, RONALD ERNEST MD PHYSICIAN
Specialties: OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY
Practice Address
NONE

He sure has delivered a few winners./

441 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:21:15pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

That's part of Shep's charm!

442 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

They forgot to add ' Anyone who gets a flu shot need not apply'.

443 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:21:31pm

re: #406 marjoriemoon

I can't stand Anderson Cooper. I try. I really did. I just can't watch him.

I can tolerate him but not Moore.

444 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:21:32pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

There's a ron paul dating service?

Yes unfortunately... kooks need help finding each other I guess.

445 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:22:46pm

re: #431 Gus 802

Yeah, with a shot of whiskey and some ether for the anesthetic.

/

'Merican wimmin don't need no ann-e-stet-it!

446 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:23:15pm

re: #431 Gus 802

'Here, just bite down on this rag, little lady...'

447 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:23:34pm

re: #443 MandyManners

I can tolerate him but not Moore.

Are you saying that you just won't take any Moore of him?

448 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:23:41pm

re: #419 tradewind

I'm a Republican from a southern state, although we usually split our ballots here... you're not required to vote a straight ticket or declare to vote in a primary. Neither one of my senators is a whack job... both are republicans.
I went to a church-affiliated high school, where I was taught evolution in all my science classes, and was never shown a diorama of a cave child with a dinosaur... that school , while church affiliated, produces a consistently high percentage of national merit scholarship finalists. The church I attend on Sundays prays every service for ' Barack, our president', and I've never heard a word against the teaching of evolution, or a hint of wanting him to come to harm. Probably most of my friends vote Republican at the top of the ticket, pretty consistently.
I've never heard even one of them who said they went to a tea party.
My point is that while Beck is a foamer, and there is bad nuttiness on the far side of the right wing, I think the focus on it is quite narrow when it comes to the party in general. I expect that the Republicans will make gains in the midterm elections, and while I doubt that Obama will be unseated in 2012 barring some unfortunate occurrence that I would not want, even if it meant his defeat, I also doubt that the Republican party will nominate a neanderthal.
So... what I think should be done probably will be. Calmer heads will prevail, the entertainment will continue for people who feed off of it, but the Republican party will survive.

Tradewind-

Thank you for a thoughtful post. My only point is that for the R's to do well on a *national* level, they need the I's. They cannot be happy that the RNC is not disassociating themselves from these people. I imagine that some small group within your clade is also upset, and I am curious that you are not upset that the RNC has not disavowed these people. What does that say about your Party leadership? This is dogma or it is heresy at some fundamental level. I mean, we are talking about the RNC here, not the DNC, which is assumed to be bipolar.

449 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:23:59pm

re: #438 Mr Pancakes

Exactly... Mexican women are just sexual fodder... give em a few bucks and throw them in your trunk. How hard could it be? I'm mean how much do they cost was his original statement. Like, what does that cost can I get one too? Hardy har har har!!!

OMG I never laughed so hard in my life. You guys are too much!

450 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #443 MandyManners

I can tolerate him but not Moore.

Moore's a given. You have to be special to hate Anderson Cooper :p

451 John Neverbend  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:25:10pm

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan


Men outnumber women by almost 4:1.

452 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:25:56pm

re: #437 albusteve

he should have, and I regret it...I misread the whole thing and don't justify it

Much better. Thank you.

453 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #451 John Neverbend

Men outnumber women by almost 4:1.

That could be a real bummer.

454 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:27:15pm

re: #447 Spare O'Lake

Are you saying that you just won't take any Moore of him?

Here lies Lester Moore
Four slugs from a .44
No Les
No Moore

455 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:28:06pm

Is Kosh's Shadow in, tonight?

456 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:28:56pm

Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica -- where do they go?

Wonder no more!!!

It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life.

The penguin is very committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintaining a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.

If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into and buried.

The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:

"Freeze a jolly good fellow."

.
.
.
.
Then they kick him in the ice hole.

457 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:29:23pm

I'm still amused by the fact that the right wing is being taken for a ride by a drug-addled morning DJ. Suckers!

458 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:30:11pm

re: #449 marjoriemoon

OMG I never laughed so hard in my life. You guys are too much!

Um, it's not that funny at all. It was despicable. But albusteve has apologized. I'll drop it. Whether Mr. Pancakes can or not is up to him. I'd be hard pressed to do so if someone gratuitously insulted my wife like that.

459 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:30:30pm

re: #448 austin_blue
Why do you think that the national republican party endorses, for an example, Glenn Beck?
I don't see it. He doesn't speak for them... why should he be rebuked by them, even though in many cases, he is.
Do you see the national democrats renouncing, say, Code Pink? Keith Olbermann? Michael Moore?? Again... why should they? Presumably, they don't feel represented by these extremes. (Not to mention, with people like Pelosi and Kucinich in the party, they have their hands full).

460 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:04pm

re: #456 Racer X

The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:

"Freeze a jolly good fellow."

Damn you, I thought I was gettin me an edumacation! :)

461 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:45pm

re: #438 Mr Pancakes

Exactly... Mexican women are just sexual fodder... give em a few bucks and throw them in your trunk. How hard could it be? I'm mean how much do they cost was his original statement. Like, what does that cost can I get one too? Hardy har har har!!!

Ever wonder where that stereotype came from?
Was it Hollywood or maybe from Mexican men?

462 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:32:57pm

re: #458 austin_blue

Um, it's not that funny at all. It was despicable. But albusteve has apologized. I'll drop it. Whether Mr. Pancakes can or not is up to him. I'd be hard pressed to do so if someone gratuitously insulted my wife like that.

Well I think it was a bad joke that flopped miserably, but I don't think he meant any harm by it. Mr. Pancakes made my slides split however. I'm feeling better now.

463 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:33:03pm

re: #456 Racer X

Okay... that is just wrong....:)
BTW... I watched a nest of Carolina wrens that was built in the corner of my deck a while ago and on one trip, the father bird flew right out of the nest with a dead baby bird in his mouth, carried it way over the fence, and dropped it before returning with a moth in his mouth. Some men do do housework.

464 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:34:19pm

re: #459 tradewind

Why do you think that the national republican party endorses, for an example, Glenn Beck?
I don't see it. He doesn't speak for them... why should he be rebuked by them, even though in many cases, he is.
Do you see the national democrats renouncing, say, Code Pink? Keith Olbermann? Michael Moore?? Again... why should they? Presumably, they don't feel represented by these extremes. (Not to mention, with people like Pelosi and Kucinich in the party, they have their hands full).

That's all well and good, but when you see upper party guys hanging with some of these dudes or attending their bizarre conferences, I have to wonder.

465 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #454 SteveC

Here lies Lester Moore
Four slugs from a .44
No Les
No Moore

Sounds about right...Moore or Les.

466 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:36:57pm

re: #454 SteveC

Here lies Lester Moore
Four slugs from a .44
No Les
No Moore

It's actually a real tombstone in Tombstone, AZ.

Image: tomb-lestermoore-750382-750589.jpg

They have a Jewish cemetery in Tombstone too. Ya didn't know the Jews helped settle the west now didya?

467 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:37:26pm

re: #465 Spare O'Lake

Sounds about right...Moore or Les.

Line from Mr. Mom:

"My God... looks like you shot him with a .38!"

.38, .39... whatever it takes."

468 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:37:39pm

re: #457 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm still amused by the fact that the right wing is being taken for a ride by a drug-addled morning DJ. Suckers!


I'm even more amused at that wildly sweeping generalization.

469 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:39:42pm

re: #466 marjoriemoon

It's actually a real tombstone in Tombstone, AZ.

[Link: www.carlmadsen.com...]

They have a Jewish cemetery in Tombstone too. Ya didn't know the Jews helped settle the west now didya?

No I didn't, though I have been to Tombstone and Boot Hill. Guy in western dress told me that if I were on main street at 10:00 AM I would see a re-enactment of a real gunfight! Then he stroked the butt of his pistol and said, "First killin' of the day!"

A touch TOO enthusiastic, that one!

470 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:39:43pm

re: #464 marjoriemoon

Kind of like when all the democrat national candidates for president except Biden went to the nutroots convention to genuflect at the altar of kos?
It didn't surprise me at all. It's just pandering for votes, which unfortunately, goes with the job description.

471 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #459 tradewind

Why do you think that the national republican party endorses, for an example, Glenn Beck?
I don't see it. He doesn't speak for them... why should he be rebuked by them, even though in many cases, he is.
Do you see the national democrats renouncing, say, Code Pink? Keith Olbermann? Michael Moore?? Again... why should they? Presumably, they don't feel represented by these extremes. (Not to mention, with people like Pelosi and Kucinich in the party, they have their hands full).

Because they have not renounced the craziness of the newly resurgent radical right. As for the left, it has always been a coalition of nuts, and the liberals know this. Does Code Pink go too far sometimes? Rarely. They are what they are and don't exceed their stated mandate. Michael Moore is a film maker and represents himself. He is a convenient boogey-man. Oh, and about 80% of his facts are spot-on. The other 20%, well, he's a fanatic. But he doesn't have millions following him a nightly basis pumping up the volume with easily refutable lies like Beck. As for Olbermann, well, he knows sports and has a brutal sense of dark humor. I don't have cable so I can't comment on specifics.

As for Pelosi and Kucinich, I will say this:

They are elected by small populations to the House and they have vocal power beyond their mandates due to seniority.

Can you say Ron Paul?

472 SteveC  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:43:08pm

re: #471 austin_blue

Can you say Ron Paul?

Sure...I knew you could!

473 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #458 austin_blue

Um, it's not that funny at all. It was despicable. But albusteve has apologized. I'll drop it. Whether Mr. Pancakes can or not is up to him. I'd be hard pressed to do so if someone gratuitously insulted my wife like that.

I appreciate the support Austin... I'm used to it. Charles did delete his comment... It was over the top.

474 jvic  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:44:59pm

re: #329 Mich-again

I don't know if anything can right the ship until this bunch gets utterly humiliated in 2012.

Suppose we see the first landslide reelection of a President with an approval rating below 50%. Maybe that would get the Republicans' attention.

Or maybe not.

475 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:39pm

re: #473 Mr Pancakes

I appreciate the support Austin... I'm used to it. Charles did delete his comment... It was over the top.

I am so sorry you had to read that. Beyond the pale.

{{Mr. Pancakes}}

476 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:44pm

re: #461 Spare O'Lake

Ever wonder where that stereotype came from?
Was it Hollywood or maybe from Mexican men?

I'll tell you exactly where it comes from... Tijuana is famous for strip clubs and hookers... stereotyping ... all Mexican women must be viewed in these terms.

477 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:00pm

re: #475 austin_blue

I am so sorry you had to read that. Beyond the pale.

{{Mr. Pancakes}}

Thanks man... at first I blew a gasket and then I calmed down.

478 Ian MacGregor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:58:09pm

re: #20 HelloDare

There are certainly examples of animals evolving what might be called more primitive traits, such as cave-dwellers losing sight, birds on islands losing the ability to fly, etc. But this is also moving forward to best fit a niche in their new environments.

Of course things such as loss of flight can be hazardous when predators are introduced. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

479 kellygrrrl  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:07:44am

I'm pretty sure we're watching de-evolution before our very eyes. The Wingnuts are headed back to the days of Leviticus as we speak.

480 theatheistjew  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:10:52am

I still think that some reversal can occur. For example, take the blind cave fishes. It is my understanding that their ancestors could see (or why the eyes in the first place).


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