Sarah Palin’s Book Ghostwritten by Associate of White Supremacist McCain

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Sarah Palin’s soon-to-be-released book was ghostwritten by Lynn Vincent.

Who’s Lynn Vincent? She’s the co-author of a book with white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain.

Vincent is also a credited author on “Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party,” a take-down of the Democrats co-written by conservative author Robert Stacy McCain.

Previous LGF posts about Robert Stacy McCain’s connections to neo-Nazis and white supremacist organizations:
A Response to Stephen Green (With Link)
Robert Stacy McCain’s Angry Departure From the Washington Times
The Other ‘Other McCain’
Audio: Robert Stacy McCain on Alan Colmes Radio Show

UPDATE at 9/29/09 7:22:24 pm:

More details on Lynn Vincent’s involvement in Palin’s book: S.D. ghostwriter mum on Sarah Palin memoir.

One San Diegan knows all the details of Sarah Palin’s soon-to-be released memoir, but don’t ask her about it. She can’t tell.

Lynn Vincent, Palin’s ghostwriter, has signed a non-disclosure agreement. She has been hard at work on the book for the past few months with Palin, the former Alaska governor and John McCain’s running mate.

So quick did their writing progress that the publisher announced yesterday that the 400-page memoir’s release date, originally scheduled for spring, has been moved up to Nov. 17, with an e-book version following on Dec. 26.

After resigning as governor in late July, Palin spent most of August in San Diego working with Vincent on the book, “Going Rogue: An American Life.” Rumors swirled about Palin sightings at Vincent’s condo complex in north San Diego County. Palin reportedly was joined here by her family and top aide, Meghan Stapleton. This month, Palin huddled with her editors in New York.

UPDATE at 9/29/09 7:50:03 pm:

Lynn Vincent and Robert Stacy McCain’s blog: Donkey Cons.

UPDATE at 9/29/09 8:00:39 pm:

A reminder of Robert Stacy McCain’s feelings on the subject of interracial marriage.

“[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us.”

UPDATE at 9/29/09 8:03:30 pm:

Here’s Lynn Vincent claiming that abortion is Black genocide.

And here’s Lynn Vincent arguing in favor of creationism: Science vs. science.

UPDATE at 9/29/09 8:45:45 pm:

If you’re going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn’t even begin to describe this.

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938 comments

1 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:19:59pm

How are we to be sure the book was ghost-written?

2 Irish Rose  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:20:49pm

Long tiring day, and I'm beat.
Goodnight all... see ya on the morning DT.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:22:14pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

How are we to be sure the book was ghost-written?

Because Palin couldn't write a 10 page paper, let alone a book!

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:22:32pm

More details on Lynn Vincent's involvement in Palin's book: S.D. ghostwriter mum on Sarah Palin memoir.

One San Diegan knows all the details of Sarah Palin's soon-to-be released memoir, but don't ask her about it. She can't tell.

Lynn Vincent, Palin's ghostwriter, has signed a non-disclosure agreement. She has been hard at work on the book for the past few months with Palin, the former Alaska governor and John McCain's running mate.

So quick did their writing progress that the publisher announced yesterday that the 400-page memoir's release date, originally scheduled for spring, has been moved up to Nov. 17, with an e-book version following on Dec. 26.

After resigning as governor in late July, Palin spent most of August in San Diego working with Vincent on the book, “Going Rogue: An American Life.” Rumors swirled about Palin sightings at Vincent's condo complex in north San Diego County. Palin reportedly was joined here by her family and top aide, Meghan Stapleton. This month, Palin huddled with her editors in New York.

5 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:24:11pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Palin couldn't write a 10 page paper, let alone a book!

LudwigVanCato?

/

6 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

How are we to be sure the book was ghost-written?

See the update. There's no doubt.

7 Athens Runaway  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:24:53pm

Are ghostwriters for books that uncommon?

8 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:24:55pm

And. Off. Come. The. Gloves.

Sarah Palin is not a model for anything other than the worst kind of amoral political opportunism.

9 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:25:43pm

re: #7 Athens Runaway

Are ghostwriters for books that uncommon?

Not among people who can't name the newspapers they read.

10 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:26:10pm

The taint runs deep. This is not good.

11 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:26:17pm

HHMMM.googling lyyn vincent gives me dick cheney's wife.

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:26:45pm

re: #8 Cato the Elder

And. Off. Come. The. Gloves.

Sarah Palin is not a model for anything other than the worst kind of amoral political opportunism.

good to see you, Cato. It wouldn't be a Sarah Palin thread without you.

13 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:26:47pm

re: #8 Cato the Elder

I am disappointed.

Oh well.

14 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:28:41pm

Sarah Palin was accompanied to Hong Kong by Randy Scheunemann, John McCain's foreign policy advisor. Who I think we can be pretty sure isn't a white supremacist. Im with you on most things Charles, but this is starting to seem a little 'French Revoluution/j'accuse-y'. Maybe we shouldn't judge her book before we even read it?

full disclosure: Ive been a Palin fan-boy for like a year and a half now so maybe Im just naively refusing to give up on her...

15 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:29:20pm

re: #7 Athens Runaway

very common actually.the honest ones will usually use a dual author credit.but,most autobiographies are usually ghost written

16 wee fury  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:29:34pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Here is another article.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:29:54pm

re: #11 Boondock St. Bender

HHMMM.googling lyyn vincent gives me dick cheney's wife.

Well you better give her back, and quick. Dick's shot people in the face for less than that!
///

18 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:29:57pm

Was there seriously no one else willing to work with Palin besides associates of bigots? This is toxic. Americans are not going to embrace politicians who run with bigots. Even a whiff can be lethal.

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:30:56pm

re: #6 Charles

See the update. There's no doubt.

Good point. I also noted that Lynn Vincent also worked on a book for William Boykin, a former general who is this generation's version of Edwin Walker.

20 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:16pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

Was there seriously no one else willing to work with Palin besides associates of bigots? This is toxic. Americans are not going to embrace politicians who run with bigots. Even a whiff can be lethal.

Reverend
Wright

21 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:17pm

re: #14 rollwave87

Sarah Palin was accompanied to Hong Kong by Randy Scheunemann, John McCain's foreign policy advisor. Who I think we can be pretty sure isn't a white supremacist. Im with you on most things Charles, but this is starting to seem a little 'French Revoluution/j'accuse-y'. Maybe we shouldn't judge her book before we even read it?

full disclosure: Ive been a Palin fan-boy for like a year and a half now so maybe Im just naively refusing to give up on her...

Considering we're not discussing her trip to Hong Kong, I fail to see how that's relevant.

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:18pm

re: #14 rollwave87

Sarah Palin was accompanied to Hong Kong by Randy Scheunemann, John McCain's foreign policy advisor. Who I think we can be pretty sure isn't a white supremacist.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm pretty sure I didn't say Randy Scheuenemann was a white supremacist.

Robert Stacy McCain, however, who co-wrote a book with Palin's ghostwriter, is connected with numerous people and groups who openly espouse white supremacism.

Maybe that doesn't bother you.

23 drogheda  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:31:58pm

Is there anything out there like discoverthenetworks.org except profiling the right wing instead of the left?

24 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:32:03pm

re: #7 Athens Runaway

Are ghostwriters for books that uncommon?

Not among politicians and celebrities.

But all idiocies and bad ideas are the fault of the lead author, not the ghostwriter.

25 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:32:18pm

re: #23 drogheda

sourcewatch

26 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:32:31pm

re: #16 wee fury

Here is another article.

ok. maybe this book will be the nail in the coffin for me. it seems like this ghostwriter has her own track record of being a fanatic, not just associating with one. poor sarah...I guess sometimes we only see what we want to see? :(

27 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:32:56pm

re: #14 rollwave87

John McCain and Robert Stacy McCain (aka BurkeCalhounDabney) are not related. What was that?

28 drogheda  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:34:20pm

re: #25 jaunte

sourcewatch

Thanks.

29 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:34:25pm

Lynn Vincent blogs at worldmag, finding a few articles that fall into the "religious culture warrior" bucket like this one.

[Link: online.worldmag.com...]

30 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:34:44pm

re: #14 rollwave87

Sarah Palin was accompanied to Hong Kong by Randy Scheunemann, John McCain's foreign policy advisor. Who I think we can be pretty sure isn't a white supremacist. Im with you on most things Charles, but this is starting to seem a little 'French Revoluution/j'accuse-y'. Maybe we shouldn't judge her book before we even read it?

full disclosure: Ive been a Palin fan-boy for like a year and a half now so maybe Im just naively refusing to give up on her...

"J'accuse" is from the Dreyfus Affair.

Some French dude - Zola? - wrote a scathing editorial. It's entered the lexicon.

The French Revolution is from the other end of the 19th Century. You may have been thinking, "Enemy of the People! To the guillotine!", though I don't think even the Jacobins managed to make that one word.

Please make a note of it.

31 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:35:32pm

She shoulda written a book about her clothing expenditures and called it Going Vogue.

32 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:35:34pm

So I'm confused - does Lynn Vincent have dirt on her? Or did she just work for dirtbags?

33 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:35:58pm

re: #23 drogheda

Is there anything out there like discoverthenetworks.org except profiling the right wing instead of the left?

Yes... LGF.

34 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:36:30pm

re: #26 rollwave87

ok. maybe this book will be the nail in the coffin for me. it seems like this ghostwriter has her own track record of being a fanatic, not just associating with one. poor sarah...I guess sometimes we only see what we want to see? :(

All too often, unfortunately.

35 shutdown  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:36:37pm

Why should it surprise anyone that pols and wonks on the paleo-far right lunatic fringe are part of one long happy daisy chain? They all move in the same circles and have numerous areas of philosophical, professional and intellectual congruence. So when "Death Panel Palin" is looking for a ghost writer, she comes to be set up with Lynn Vincent. That is about as astonishing as coming across Jamie Dimon at a meeting of senior bankers. Or Jimmy Carter at a PLO rally.

36 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:36:53pm

re: #30 Dianna

"J'accuse" is from the Dreyfus Affair.

Some French dude - Zola? - wrote a scathing editorial. It's entered the lexicon.

Yes. Emile Zola.

37 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:36:57pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Considering we're not discussing her trip to Hong Kong, I fail to see how that's relevant.

umm, because we're discussing her? Like I said, this book may end up being the bridge too far that makes me give up on Gov. Palin, but Im not going to make that call based on who her ghost-writer co-wrote another book with. I mean, Obama named his book after a Jeremiah Wright speech and no one seemed to care about that...

38 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:37:13pm

re: #29 Thanos

Lynn Vincent blogs at worldmag, finding a few articles that fall into the "religious culture warrior" bucket like this one.

[Link: online.worldmag.com...]

And an anti-abortion extremist. What a shock.

39 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:37:25pm

Oh, that's lurid... Co-author to a pro-slavery asshole. Let's see how they spin this.

40 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:37:47pm

re: #23 drogheda

Leans left, but does some really good work on the looney right.
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

41 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:38:02pm

re: #30 Dianna

"J'accuse" is from the Dreyfus Affair.

Some French dude - Zola? - wrote a scathing editorial. It's entered the lexicon.

The French Revolution is from the other end of the 19th Century. You may have been thinking, "Enemy of the People! To the guillotine!", though I don't think even the Jacobins managed to make that one word.

Please make a note of it.

Yes. Zola.

And I think Charles has a good chance of being something like the Zola of our time.

"J'accuse - idiots of being idiots, liars of being liars, and bigots of being bigots. No matter which party they claim to represent."

Vive le roi lézard!

42 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:38:54pm

re: #32 Racer X

So I'm confused - does Lynn Vincent have dirt on her? Or did she just work for dirtbags?

She evidently writes on her own, and it's culture wars stuff. See Thanos' #29 for the linkage.

43 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:39:33pm

In the book Lynn Vincent co-wrote with RSM they dredge up dirt on FDR (elected with the help of the mob) and JFK ( a penchant for hookers). Classy.

44 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:39:39pm

re: #36 Gang of One

Yes. Emile Zola.

Thanks. I had one of those, "I used to know this stuff" moments.

45 shutdown  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:39:56pm

re: #37 rollwave87

Hold on. You still are carrying the torch for Palin? Based on what, exactly? I cannot identify a single original idea she has had other than Death Panels. And that doesn't count, because renaming the Bogey Man is not an original idea.

46 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:40:34pm

re: #38 Charles

And an anti-abortion extremist. What a shock.

Dunno if she's full extremist or wingnut Charles, I've found countervailing signs in her blogging.
Here for instance she congratulates Obama on his actions against the pirates:

[Link: online.worldmag.com...]

47 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41:04pm

Has Palin unmasked herself or was this just an incredibly stupid move in that she didn't thoroughly investigate Vincent?

48 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41:19pm

Look people, as a gay jew, Im the last guy who's going to be sticking up for any neo-nazis or right wing religious fanatics. but im also not going to throw sarah palin overboard yet. sorry.

49 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #46 Thanos

Dunno if she's full extremist or wingnut Charles, I've found countervailing signs in her blogging.
Here for instance she congratulates Obama on his actions against the pirates:

[Link: online.worldmag.com...]

Yes, but we congratulated Obama for his actions against the pirates!

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41:41pm

Lynn Vincent is also a creationist, of course: WORLD Magazine %P% Science vs. science %P% Lynn Vincent %P% Feb 26, 00

51 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Has Palin unmasked herself or was this just an incredibly stupid move in that she didn't thoroughly investigate Vincent?

Did she even know how to? Who does she get advice from?

52 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:42:21pm

lynnvincent.com

Here's a picture.

53 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:42:36pm

Donkey Cons...
Ghost writer notwithstanding, you gotta love that title.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:43:49pm

re: #37 rollwave87

I mean, Obama named his book after a Jeremiah Wright speech and no one seemed to care about that...

A lot of people did care about Obama's connection to Wright, so much so that the subject spent a fair amount of time on all the network news channels. Did you forget that, or just miss it altogether?

56 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:44:13pm

Lynn Vincent & RSM used to have a blog together.

57 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:44:44pm

re: #50 Charles

That she is, but she's also banned commenters for gay bashing. Extremist as in Randall Terry extreme might be overboard, I think she keeps it semi sane so she reaches wider audience.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:44:52pm

re: #50 Charles

Lynn Vincent is also a creationist, of course: WORLD Magazine %P% Science vs. science %P% Lynn Vincent %P% Feb 26, 00

No surprise there.

59 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Palin couldn't write a 10 page paper, let alone a book!

**rolls eyes**

60 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:36pm

re: #51 Dianna

Did she even know how to? Who does she get advice from?

Doesn't she know how to Google, for goodness' sake!

61 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:43pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

A lot of people did care about Obama's connection to Wright, so much so that the subject spent a fair amount of time on all the network news channels. Did you forget that, or just miss it altogether?

And my goodness, we talked about him here, before the election, when it was important to be considering the candidates' actions and associations.

Election's over now.

62 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:47pm

re: #53 tradewind

Donkey Cons...
Ghost writer notwithstanding, you gotta love that title.

Here is the old blog.

63 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:45:54pm

re: #48 rollwave87

Look people, as a gay jew, Im the last guy who's going to be sticking up for any neo-nazis or right wing religious fanatics. but im also not going to throw sarah palin overboard yet. sorry.

You don't have to throw her overboard, ever. Just don't try to get anyone serious to help you help her climb out of that very small dinghy the two of you are bobbing about in onto the promenade deck of the Good Ship GOP. Unless you want the Dems in power for the next 16 years.

64 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #44 Dianna

Thanks. I had one of those, "I used to know this stuff" moments.

My pleasure, ma'am. I had one of those moments tonight at Kung Fu when I was being tested on my knowledge of the Longfist #2 form. I know the form, just that one damn synapse would not fire when I had to repeat the same form using the other side of my body. I hate when that happens...

65 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:46:31pm

re: #57 Thanos

I googled her earlier, didn't find a whole lot of dirt. Associating with RS McCain was among the worse stuff I found.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #55 jaunte

Sarah Palin's Ghostwriter Loves God And Cheese, Hates Abortion

Well, I myself am fond of God and cheese, and not too happy about abortion, while supporting its legality, so I guess we have that in common. I'm guessing that's about all we have in common.

67 wee fury  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:18pm

re: #55 jaunte

Sarah Palin's Ghostwriter Loves God And Cheese, Hates Abortion

Loving G-d and cheese . . . somehow the two do not compliment each other.

68 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I googled her earlier, didn't find a whole lot of dirt. Associating with RS McCain was among the worse stuff I found.

Well, we certainly need to find more dirt on her, let's try harder.

69 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:20pm

Good lord, does anybody do background checks?
Is it too much to google people when you think about entering into important financial relationships with them?

/Hey, it's a wall! I'm running straight for it!

70 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:23pm

re: #48 rollwave87

Look people, as a gay jew, Im the last guy who's going to be sticking up for any neo-nazis or right wing religious fanatics. but im also not going to throw sarah palin overboard yet. sorry.

Rollwave - I was a Palin fan, and I know how painful it is, but you're just gonna have to let go, let go, let go.

She has been spectacularly underwhelming.

71 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:24pm

Now that she has a ghost writer, Sarah should hire a ghost reader too.

72 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:47:48pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Doesn't she know how to Google, for goodness' sake!

She'd have to understand the connections. I have no idea what her actual experience of who's who and who believes what is.

But this will be leapt upon, and she should have known better. So let's call it a self-inflicted wound.

73 hokiepride  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:48:07pm

If Sarah Palin runs in 2012 on the GOP ticket, the fact that she rubbed shoulders with a character like Lynn Vincent will destroy her and make it a 49-state victory for Obama. GOP, are you listening? . The "true American conservative" war-cry will not cut any more when a majority of Americans are much more concerned about their 401k's and jobs rather than gay marriage. IMHO, some center-right candidate is the GOP's only hope. Please put the religious right on the back benches.

74 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:48:40pm

re: #67 wee fury

I think the love of cheese is figurative, and a minor negative, but that piece had a lot of links.

75 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:48:51pm

OT: The "Food" Network is running another show about assholes who make 9 foot tall cakes that look like storybook scenes. I'm canceling my cable.

76 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:48:54pm

Once again, I'm reassured that I did the right thing in voting against McCain because of Palin.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:48:56pm

re: #67 wee fury

Loving G-d and cheese . . . somehow the two do not compliment each other.

The existence of cheese is proof of the existence of a loving God. How else could bacteria turn milk into something so awesome? How else could humanity have developed the brains necessary to create Brie?

78 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:20pm

re: #73 hokiepride

If Sarah Palin runs in 2012 on the GOP ticket, the fact that she rubbed shoulders with a character like Lynn Vincent will destroy her and make it a 49-state victory for Obama. GOP, are you listening? . The "true American conservative" war-cry will not cut any more when a majority of Americans are much more concerned about their 401k's and jobs rather than gay marriage. IMHO, some center-right candidate is the GOP's only hope. Please put the religious right on the back benches.

Quite Concur.

79 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:28pm

re: #67 wee fury

Loving G-d and cheese . . . somehow the two do not compliment each other.

Do you mean, "say nice things about each other" or "go together"? Either one works, I just wonder.

80 wee fury  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:36pm

re: #74 jaunte

Yes, and thank you.

81 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:48pm

re: #73 hokiepride

If Sarah Palin runs in 2012 on the GOP ticket, the fact that she rubbed shoulders with a character like Lynn Vincent will destroy her and make it a 49-state victory for Obama. GOP, are you listening? . The "true American conservative" war-cry will not cut any more when a majority of Americans are much more concerned about their 401k's and jobs rather than gay marriage. IMHO, some center-right candidate is the GOP's only hope. Please put the religious right on the back benches.

I don't like her being associated with someone associated with that asshole RSM, either. But her rubbing shoulders will not destroy her anymore than she's already destroyed by reputation or any more than Obama was "destroyed" by his associations.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:49:56pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

OT: The "Food" Network is running another show about assholes who make 9 foot tall cakes that look like storybook scenes. I'm canceling my cable.

Try watching something else instead, Kilgore.

83 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:50:16pm

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:50:37pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

I'm canceling my cable.

Good move. You'll save money and have more time for fishing.

85 Chip Designer  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:50:55pm

re: #73 hokiepride

If Sarah Palin runs in 2012 on the GOP ticket, the fact that she rubbed shoulders with a character like Lynn Vincent will destroy her and make it a 49-state victory for Obama. GOP, are you listening? . The "true American conservative" war-cry will not cut any more when a majority of Americans are much more concerned about their 401k's and jobs rather than gay marriage. IMHO, some center-right candidate is the GOP's only hope. Please put the religious right on the back benches.

Did Obama's rubbing shoulders with Wright create a 49 state victory for McCain?

86 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:50:59pm

re: #83 tradewind

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

Anyone who ever believed that is an idiot.

87 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:00pm

re: #72 Dianna

She'd have to understand the connections. I have no idea what her actual experience of who's who and who believes what is.

But this will be leapt upon, and she should have known better. So let's call it a self-inflicted wound.

From which she might never recover.

88 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:04pm

re: #60 MandyManners

I didn't intend to steal your thunder. Your comment popped up while I was typing/having an aneurysm.

89 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:23pm

re: #81 TheMatrix31

I don't like her being associated with someone associated with that asshole RSM, either. But her rubbing shoulders will not destroy her anymore than she's already destroyed by reputation or any more than Obama was "destroyed" by his associations.

Obama is a different case. The MSM covered for his transgressions, bu they will play up Palin's for all they're worth. She's conservative, hence subject to a far stricter standard.

90 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:23pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed.

91 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:27pm

re: #83 tradewind

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

Oh come on, give Bill a break.

92 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #81 TheMatrix31

I don't like her being associated with someone associated with that asshole RSM, either. But her rubbing shoulders will not destroy her anymore than she's already destroyed by reputation or any more than Obama was "destroyed" by his associations.

Filling the WH staff with those shady characters hasn't destroyed BHO's reputation either. Funny how that is.

93 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

OT: The "Food" Network is running another show about assholes who make 9 foot tall cakes that look like storybook scenes. I'm canceling my cable.

The Weather Channel can get pretty exciting - well, if they're running from a tornado.

94 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:50pm

re: #83 tradewind

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

Mission Accomplished, or nearly so.

95 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #83 tradewind

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

You have a point.

96 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #76 Conservative Moonbat

Yeah, thanks for that. McCain would have been so much less capable of dealing with Iran and its nukes.
/sarc/

97 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:51:59pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

The existence of cheese is proof of the existence of a loving God. How else could bacteria turn milk into something so awesome? How else could humanity have developed the brains necessary to create Brie?

Not to mention how ergonomic the is the design of a cheese wedge, with its narrow end configured for biting, and the larger curved end adapted to fit the human hand.

/banana creationist theory

98 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:06pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

And that's a damn fucking shame.

99 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:08pm

re: #81 TheMatrix31

I don't like her being associated with someone associated with that asshole RSM, either. But her rubbing shoulders will not destroy her anymore than she's already destroyed by reputation or any more than Obama was "destroyed" by his associations.

If the MSM were whores for Palin like they were for Obama, she'd have no problem, IMHO.

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:20pm

re: #83 tradewind

If it's true that Bill Ayers might have ghost written Obama's book, Palin would have to dig deep to sink lower.

It's not true. Please don't keep spreading that stupid garbage at my website.

101 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #86 Conservative Moonbat

Anyone who ever believed that is an idiot.

I don't regard it as proven, or necessarily true; but what tradewind was stating, hypothetically, is true, too.

102 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:57pm

re: #88 Lawrior

I didn't intend to steal your thunder. Your comment popped up while I was typing/having an aneurysm.

Thunder to go all around.

103 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:52:59pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

He doesn't need one from me, he's got a friend in the WH...

104 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:53:05pm

re: #86 Conservative Moonbat

Anyone who ever believed that is an idiot.

Not to seem like a loony bird but is there a way to find out who the real ghostwriter is?

105 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:53:05pm

re: #97 Dar ul Harb

the is the?

PIMF.

106 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:53:18pm

You just know that this crap is gonna make the rounds by tomorrow's prime time! O God (or should I say O bama?) these people are that stupid!

107 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:54:33pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Not to seem like a loony bird but is there a way to find out who the real ghostwriter is?

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Obama had a ghostwriter for his book. This is complete crap, originating at World Net Daily. And it's maddening to see people spreading it here.

108 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:54:34pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Not to seem like a loony bird but is there a way to find out who the real ghostwriter is?

There's no proof there was a ghostwriter.

109 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:54:38pm

Kind of funny tidbit here in RSM's blog. He drove 570 miles in his Kia to Clay County Kentucky to do his own investigation of the death of Bill Sparkman. ? Maybe he thinks he can find the real story chumming with the salt of the earth folks in the hills? Anyway here is the nugget.. .

Hey, when we're doing with this Kentucky trip, how about y'all sending me to Anchorage. Lynn Vincent tells me that Chuck Heath is a super-cool guy. Team Palin won't let me talk to Sarah, but I'd really like to meet Chuck.

Ha. Team Palin won't let him near Sarah.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:54:51pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Besides, fishing is much better for a person's mental health than television. Hmmm... I'm gonna have to call up my buddy with the boat this weekend.

111 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:55:04pm

re: #100 Charles
I didn't assert it as a fact, thanks.

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:55:17pm

Hey Night Lizards!

So, no DEVO? I'm shocked! Well, not really.

I doubt many of the "rush-to-press" books are actually written by the personality-du-jour. They are written to fast to be the product of anyone but a professional writer.

How are you-all?

113 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:56:26pm

So, Palin has a book, Beck has a book, you know what this means, soon, Ann Coulter will purposely say something very outrageous to hawk whatever ghost written crap she will be hawking.

114 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:56:53pm

re: #109 Mich-again

Hey, when we're doing with

What in the world? Doesn't he read his own blog?

115 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:56:59pm

re: #107 Charles

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Obama had a ghostwriter for his book. This is complete crap, originating at World Net Daily. And it's maddening to see people spreading it here.

Thanks for clearing that up. I hadn't heard about the BHO ghostwriter thing till tonight.

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:57:02pm

re: #108 Dianna

There's no proof there was a ghostwriter.

Forget proof. There is no EVIDENCE at all. It's the concoction of Jack Cashill (Vince Foster was killed by Bill Clinton!) and World Net Daily. It's utter crap.

I'm astounded that you would even give a second's credence to it.

117 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:57:24pm

re: #109 Mich-again

Ha. Team Palin won't let him near Sarah.

They just heard the name McCain, probably, and are twice shy.

118 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:57:38pm

It will be interesting to see how she tries to spin the "I quit my job in Alaska to pretend to write a book whose real author hangs out with people who think interracial marriage is repulsive" angle...

119 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:57:53pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Not to seem like a loony bird but is there a way to find out who the real ghostwriter is?

He could have written it himself. He writes most of his own speeches with the help of just one guy who's something like 24. His speechwriting staff might have expanded some now that he's in office.

At least the first one he wrote too early in his career to warrant a ghostwriter. He was a nobody.

I'm not a koolaide drinker but I acknowledge that Obama is a man of above average intelligence capable of writing a book with the assistance of a competent editor.

120 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #113 Egregious Philbin

So, Palin has a book, Beck has a book, you know what this means, soon, Ann Coulter will purposely say something very outrageous to hawk whatever ghost written crap she will be hawking.

I think Coulter is done. Eclipsed.

121 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #73 hokiepride

If Sarah Palin runs in 2012 on the GOP ticket, the fact that she rubbed shoulders with a character like Lynn Vincent will destroy her and make it a 49-state victory for Obama. GOP, are you listening? . The "true American conservative" war-cry will not cut any more when a majority of Americans are much more concerned about their 401k's and jobs rather than gay marriage. IMHO, some center-right candidate is the GOP's only hope. Please put the religious right on the back benches.

I don't know. We care about that stuff here. Well many of us do, but I'm not sure that alone will turn it for her.

Never a Palin fan, I have a list of stuff that I don't like about her, but what I think the fencesitters will see mostly is that she quit being governor. For what? To write a book? That's pretty awful.

122 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:58:16pm

Man, Malkin is really diving into exploitation of the Polanski muck.

123 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:58:47pm

re: #116 Charles

Forget proof. There is no EVIDENCE at all. It's the concoction of Jack Cashill (Vince Foster was killed by Bill Clinton!) and World Net Daily. It's utter crap.

I'm astounded that you would even give a second's credence to it.

Frankly, the best evidence Obama wrote those books is that they're awful.

124 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:59:20pm

re: #122 jaunte

Man, Malkin is really diving into exploitation of the Polanski muck.

Hasn't Polanski been punished enough after thirty years of not being able to get a decent Philly cheese steak?

125 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:59:31pm

Wait...vince foster was killed by bill clinton???does the press know of this???
/
I guess some folks idea of journalism is to throw shit at the wall...see if it sticks.

126 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

The quitter patina is now the least of her problems. Who's the next short-sighted dolt for the right to serve up as the next hope?

127 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:59:44pm

re: #6 Charles

See the update. There's no doubt.

Charles -

I assumed the Sarah Palin book would be ghostwritten, it's the Sorensonian thing to do - yawn, so what/whad'ya expect?
As to "associations" it is a concept that cuts many ways. Former VP Cheney was "associated" with Halliburton. Current Presidential Advisor Valerie Jarrett WAS "associated" with a Real Estate Firm that stands to make a fortune if Chicago gets the 2016 Olympic Games.

Is Sarah Palin a "Nazi" - Doubt it - she governed Alaska the way Christie Whitman would have governed a "Red State" with mineral resources. With less drama than Christie until she was nominated for VP by the GOP. Basically, more qualified women got state jobs than under a male Governor.

Is Valerie Jarrett a "Crook" - Probably Not - An "Idealogue" - for sure, as is Sarah Palin, as I am as well.

For what it is worth, I was once "Associated"/Employed by a Law Firm from Northern NJ, on of whose partners took his cue from the James Bond movie
"You Only Live Twice." He was a NJ State Senator as well. What does that make me?

-S-

128 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #117 Dar ul Harb

They just heard the name McCain, probably, and are twice shy.

Good point. Probably a post-it note by the phone. No McCains.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:00:03pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

I don't know. We care about that stuff here. Well many of us do, but I'm not sure that alone will turn it for her.

Never a Palin fan, I have a list of stuff that I don't like about her, but what I think the fencesitters will see mostly is that she quit being governor. For what? To write a book? That's pretty awful.

I think she stated at one time that the recent year has caused her to go into deep debt -- law suits and all. This is often why so many "celebritys" take the ghost-written book deal. It's cash money. Advance and residuals.

Not necessarily part of a larger dastardly long thought-out plan.

130 hokiepride  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:00:26pm

re: #85 Chip Designer

Actually I believe that McCain-Palin could have eked out a narrow victory in 2008, but the September meltdown pretty much buried McCain. Obama's lack of experience was beginning to resonate with the electorate, and McCain was ahead till September 14,2008. But the more important difference is that MSM covered for Obama but they will savagely attack any GOP candidate. So the GOP candidate should not have any skeletons in the closet.

131 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:01:04pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

Yeah, never mind the 30 years the child he drugged and raped and sodomized has had to get a Philly cheese steak.

132 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:01:04pm

Back in January Lynn was pimping the "Abortion = Black Genocide" meme

[Link: www.worldmag.com...]
along with an article worrying about the younger generation of Hispanics who get abortions much more frequently than their parents did.

133 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #120 Flyers1974

I think Coulter is done. Eclipsed.

I expect that Coulter will shave half her head, write on herself with markers and claim she was attacked by Nazi liberals. On Pay-Per-View!

134 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:01:28pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

I don't know. We care about that stuff here. Well many of us do, but I'm not sure that alone will turn it for her.

Never a Palin fan, I have a list of stuff that I don't like about her, but what I think the fencesitters will see mostly is that she quit being governor. For what? To write a book? That's pretty awful.

I think the Letterman hysteria was the final straw or at least close to being so.

135 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:02:16pm

re: #133 Egregious Philbin

I expect that Coulter will shave half her head, write on herself with markers and claim she was attacked by Nazi liberals. On Pay-Per-View!

What was that guy's name? Morty something or other?

136 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:02:34pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Yeah, never mind the 30 years the child he drugged and raped and sodomized has had to get a Philly cheese steak.

Isn't it a bit late in the day for you to be expecting sarc tags out of me?

137 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:02:45pm

re: #123 Dianna

Frankly, the best evidence Obama wrote those books is that they're awful.

Nowhere near as bad as the fictional scenarios Professor Obama used in his ConLaw exams. Those were just dreadful.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:02pm

re: #133 Egregious Philbin

I expect that Coulter will shave half her head, write on herself with markers and claim she was attacked by Nazi liberals. On Pay-Per-View!

That sounds more like something Randi Rhodes would do.

139 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:18pm

Chapter 8: Why I wanted to be vice president but quit being governor because I could handle the pressure.

140 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:20pm

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

141 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:20pm

re: #135 Flyers1974

What was that guy's name? Morty something or other?

Morton Downey Jr.

142 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:22pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Exactly. His ass should rot in prison till the day he dies.

143 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:26pm

I am shocked (shocked!)

Sarah Palin is not an accomplished Author on her first manuscript? Who could have imagined? And her ghost is a radical right whackjob?

Again, I am shocked (shocked)!

144 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:27pm

re: #137 Mich-again

Nowhere near as bad as the fictional scenarios Professor Obama used in his ConLaw exams. Those were just dreadful.

I had managed to forget those.

145 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:37pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

Hasn't Polanski been punished enough after thirty years of not being able to get a decent Philly cheese steak?

If that was my daughter Roman would have taken a dirt nap a long time ago.

146 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:55pm

re: #55 jaunte

Sarah Palin's Ghostwriter Loves God And Cheese, Hates Abortion

jaunte -

"...Two Outa Three 'ain't Bad..."

Love G-d, Love Cheese, Willing to go Along With Roe v. Wade as originallly decided - the 90 day eraser.

-S-

147 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:03:55pm

re: #132 Thanos

Back in January Lynn was pimping the "Abortion = Black Genocide" meme

[Link: www.worldmag.com...]
along with an article worrying about the younger generation of Hispanics who get abortions much more frequently than their parents did.

That's the one that's going to sink her right there. That's out of the mainstream of most right wing pro-lifers.

148 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:04:04pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds more like something Randi Rhodes would do.

I really miss Randy Rhoads

149 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:04:06pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

Don't ask. The answers will not make you feel better.

150 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:04:18pm

re: #130 hokiepride

Actually I believe that McCain-Palin could have eked out a narrow victory in 2008, but the September meltdown pretty much buried McCain. Obama's lack of experience was beginning to resonate with the electorate, and McCain was ahead till September 14,2008. But the more important difference is that MSM covered for Obama but they will savagely attack any GOP candidate. So the GOP candidate should not have any skeletons in the closet.

Where do you suppose eight years of Bush, a bad economy and an unpopular war fit into the equation?

151 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:04:29pm

re: #123 Dianna

Frankly, the best evidence Obama wrote those books is that they're awful.

I'd rather have awful books written by the guy whose name is on the cover than polished glop by a sworn-to-secrecy hack.

152 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:04:50pm

re: #145 Racer X

If that was my daughter Roman would have taken a dirt nap a long time ago.

Upding!

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:05:12pm

re: #140 rwmofo

How'd that "female vote" thing work out in 2008?
/
No one is afraid of Palin. No one.

154 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:05:43pm

Gonna' step back for a while before I blow another fuse.

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:05:46pm

I'm beginning to think that Palin is someone's sacrificial lamb. -or red herring. I just don't know why.

The McCain-Palin Ticket lost -- why do we keep hearing about her?

156 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:05:58pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

Because she's a lying political hack who won't stop short of using her Down Syndrome child to score mendacious political points about fictitious "death panels"?

Just a guess...

157 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:06:05pm

re: #151 Cato the Elder

I'd rather have awful books written by the guy whose name is on the cover than polished glop by a sworn-to-secrecy hack.

Have I somehow indicated otherwise?

As I recall, I did say all idiocies were the fault of the lead writer (that is, not the ghost). Which they are.

158 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:06:06pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

As someone familiar with the left I don't think I've ever heard this sentiment expressed. Typically the idea of her becoming president scares the shit out of people because she's as dumb as a sack of hammers.

159 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:06:08pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

I thought even hard-core Palin fans stopped believeing the the fear theme monthhs ago.

160 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #154 MandyManners

Gonna' step back for a while before I blow another fuse.

I know. It's hard to read the jokes.

161 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:07:05pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

Hasn't Polanski been punished enough after thirty years of not being able to get a decent Philly cheese steak?

Ask a few rape victims if you really want to know.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:07:29pm

re: #148 Lawrior

I really miss Randy Rhoads

Amen, brother!

Throw up them horns for the late Metal Legend.

163 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:07:40pm

re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth

How'd that "female vote" thing work out in 2008?
/
No one is afraid of Palin. No one.

Afraid of her being two heartbeats away from the presidency if McCain won maybe.

164 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:07:53pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

The female vote? You mean she could have picked up some of the female vote. I don't know what the stats were in the 08 election but it wasn't anything significant. Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality.

165 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:15pm

re: #155 ggt

I'm beginning to think that Palin is someone's sacrificial lamb. -or red herring. I just don't know why.

The McCain-Palin Ticket lost -- why do we keep hearing about her?

Because she was prematurely labeled the next Reagan.

166 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:21pm

re: #129 ggt

I think she stated at one time that the recent year has caused her to go into deep debt -- law suits and all. This is often why so many "celebritys" take the ghost-written book deal. It's cash money. Advance and residuals.

Not necessarily part of a larger dastardly long thought-out plan.

Alaskan papers reported that the debt was the state's not hers personally. She had lots of non-reason reasons why she left. Her goodbye speech left everyone scratching their heads. I've never seen a politician willfully resign their post like this.

167 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:23pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

I really wanted to believe in her last year, but every time she just keeps aiming both barrels straight at her toes. Is it too much to ask that viable candidates come forward.
/please don't answer that.

168 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:24pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds more like something Randi Rhodes would do.

The Ozzy Osbourne guy?

169 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:27pm

re: #160 Dianna

I know. It's hard to read the jokes.

I don't think there is anything funny about Polanski, and it doesn't even seem to be the sort of thing that sarcasm works along side of. It's interesting what some people will consider grist for the humor mill.

170 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:08:50pm

I'll pass on the temptation to question her intelligence, that one has been beaten beyond parody.

I'll not get on board with those who see evidence of racism in this, because it would be unfair based on this association alone. A ghost writer working connections in conservative circles for a living is no shocker.

But her judgment is undeniably piss poor. Game over, Sarah.

171 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #128 Mich-again

Good point. Probably a post-it note by the phone. No McCains.

Mich-again -

I would take a call, anytime/anywhere from Sen. John S. McCain. We have our numerous differences politically - AND - Sen. McCain is so far as I can tell a genuine American Patriot. We differ in methods/issues, not attitude. That is all.

-S-

172 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:09:48pm

re: #134 Flyers1974

I think the Letterman hysteria was the final straw or at least close to being so.

I don't even want to go there. She has no spine. We've gone over this ad nauseam on LGF. I point to Hillary who has put up with about 15 years of this kind of abuse and she ain't whining and quitting over it.

173 Chip Designer  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:09:51pm

re: #164 Gus 802

... Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality.

I sure knew a lot of Hillary supporters who thought that her main qualification was that she was a woman.

174 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:10:00pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

Because she was prematurely labeled the next Reagan.

Premature and in retrospect, pathetic. Reagan would have had to quit being governor after two years.

175 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:10:07pm

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

176 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:10:34pm

re: #168 Flyers1974

No, but there is a strong resemblance...
///

177 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #163 Conservative Moonbat

Afraid of her being two heartbeats away from the presidency if McCain won maybe.

I wasn't afraid. But I know more about her now. I'm still not afraid.

178 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:10:54pm

So completely OT, but is that Venus or Mars just under the moon right now?
/I've had a long day.

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

Because she was prematurely labeled the next Reagan.

Which she would be -- if Ronald Reagan were a quitter.

180 jvic  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:11:14pm

re: #116 Charles

Forget proof. There is no EVIDENCE at all. It's the concoction of Jack Cashill (Vince Foster was killed by Bill Clinton!) and World Net Daily. It's utter crap.

In fact there is some evidence to the contrary: here and here, for example.

181 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #175 Racer X

It would be worse, bro!

/

182 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality.

Yes it is. Last year I met a few women who said they were going to vote for Hillary because she was a woman. They wanted to see a woman in the WH as president.

183 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:03pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

I think everything would be the same except the proposed health care legislation.

184 Chip Designer  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:22pm

re: #178 Gang of One

So completely OT, but is that Venus or Mars just under the moon right now?
/I've had a long day.

Jupiter

185 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:24pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

It would be terrible. Moose bakes on the White House Lawn. McCain would be buying up all the private homes in Georgetown. Turkey shoots at Thanksgiving. Crossing the aisle so much there would be a rut in Congress. Cats and dogs living together... horrors.

186 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

I don't think there is anything funny about Polanski, and it doesn't even seem to be the sort of thing that sarcasm works along side of. It's interesting what some people will consider grist for the humor mill.

It's the passage of time, I think. And - until this weekend, really - I knew very little about the case. I heard "statutory rape" and didn't think much of it.

Now? I have a much different and stronger opinion.

187 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:47pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

Yes it is. Last year I met a few women who said they were going to vote for Hillary because she was a woman. They wanted to see a woman in the WH as president.

Were they Republicans or Democrats? Or Independents?

188 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:53pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would could it be RIGHT NOW?

Say, McCain dead of stress, Palin in the Oval Office getting ready to quit because Bill Maher made another funny about her, and Nancy Pelosi about to step into her pumps? That sound like fun to you?

189 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:54pm

re: #155 ggt

I'm beginning to think that Palin is someone's sacrificial lamb. -or red herring. I just don't know why.

The McCain-Palin Ticket lost -- why do we keep hearing about her?

Umm...$300,000 speaking fee in Hong Kong and a 400-page autobiography?

190 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #166 marjoriemoon

Alaskan papers reported that the debt was the state's not hers personally. She had lots of non-reason reasons why she left. Her goodbye speech left everyone scratching their heads. I've never seen a politician willfully resign their post like this.

I saw something about her cutting the payout of the Alaska permanent fund in half with bad investments.

[Link: www.adn.com...]

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:13:03pm

re: #176 tradewind

Booo! Booo! Hisss!

Never dare compare that Metal Legend to her again, or I will pee in your rose bushes.
/

192 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:13:08pm

re: #171 Dr. Shalit

Point being, however, that it was leaks by McCain's campaign people that were responsible for a lot of Palin's bad press. They clearly had an ideological problem with her, and weren't too happy that their candidate had to turn to the likes of her to have a shot at winning.

193 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:13:25pm

re: #171 Dr. Shalit

I concur. I'm sure that the edict from Team Palin to keep Robert Stacy McCain away from Sarah and not grant an interview was a good political move by them. They probably follow things enough to know that it would be toxic for her to go anywhere near that twit.

194 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:13:32pm

re: #183 Flyers1974

I think everything would be the same except the proposed health care legislation.

Not true. McCain would have aimed military assets at Iran by now. The mullahs would have been much more likely to take him seriously.

195 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:13:36pm

re: #184 Chip Designer

Jupiter

Cool. Thanks.
/Wish I still had the Bar Mitzvah gift telescope.

196 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:03pm

re: #175 Racer X

At least we wouldn't be sitting around on Afghanistan.

197 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:35pm

If you're going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn't even begin to describe this.

198 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:36pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

We'd still be counting hanging chads.

199 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:39pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Well, I expected the mix of replies (regarding my question about Sarah), but this response:

"Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality."

...is debatable.

200 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Say, McCain dead of stress, Palin in the Oval Office getting ready to quit because Bill Maher made another funny about her, and Nancy Pelosi about to step into her pumps? That sound like fun to you?

Pelosi in pumps, no, not funny.

201 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:50pm

re: #193 Mich-again

I concur. I'm sure that the edict from Team Palin to keep Robert Stacy McCain away from Sarah and not grant an interview was a good political move by them. They probably follow things enough to know that it would be toxic for her to go anywhere near that twit.

True, but what does that say about them having let an RSM co-author near her.

202 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:14:52pm

re: #171 Dr. Shalit

Mich-again -

I would take a call, anytime/anywhere from Sen. John S. McCain. We have our numerous differences politically - AND - Sen. McCain is so far as I can tell a genuine American Patriot. We differ in methods/issues, not attitude. That is all.

-S-


Well said.

203 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:12pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Say, McCain dead of stress, Palin in the Oval Office getting ready to quit because Bill Maher made another funny about her, and Nancy Pelosi about to step into her pumps? That sound like fun to you?

No, seriously, how bad would it be?

(Mac spent 5 years getting limbs half torn off - I doubt being president would stress him out.)

204 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:20pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality.

Actually- it's insulting. Do men vote for other men because they're the same gender? People don't vote with their crotch.

205 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:22pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Say, McCain dead of stress, Palin in the Oval Office getting ready to quit because Bill Maher made another funny about her, and Nancy Pelosi about to step into her pumps? That sound like fun to you?

Our current reality ain't no cakewalk. And that's a chain of events that would have to occur first.

206 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Not true. McCain would have aimed military assets at Iran by now. The mullahs would have been much more likely to take him seriously.

And done what? Killed any chance the reformers have? I respectfully disagree my friend. That would be a strategic disaster.

207 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:15:45pm

re: #172 marjoriemoon

I don't even want to go there. She has no spine. We've gone over this ad nauseam on LGF. I point to Hillary who has put up with about 15 years of this kind of abuse and she ain't whining and quitting over it.

I might beg to differ there. She was put in way above her head. I think McCain made the correct political decision in picking her, he had to throw a hail mary, but aside from politics, it was a reckless move.

208 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:23pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Palin couldn't write a 10 page paper, let alone a book!

I remember a couple of months ago a post like this would have been down dinged to all hell. Where have all those poster gone? oh yeah...

209 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:24pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

People don't vote with their crotch.

They don't vote with their minds either.

210 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:31pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

True, but what does that say about them having let an RSM co-author near her.

Now that is a very good question.

211 rebnatan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:37pm

So one is guilty by association of an associate? How about if one associates with someone who associated with someone who associated with evil? We've disqualified a hell of a lot of people there.
The article on black genocide was a well-written piece on someone else's views. That's what writers are supposed to do.

212 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:54pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Were they Republicans or Democrats? Or Independents?

I didn't ask.

213 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:16:56pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

You don't have to throw her overboard, ever. Just don't try to get anyone serious to help you help her climb out of that very small dinghy the two of you are bobbing about in onto the promenade deck of the Good Ship GOP. Unless you want the Dems in power for the next 16 years.

yeah. right. cause voices like mine are really dominating the GOP right now. not.

Not only am I not a right winger, I'm not even a conservative. I'm a moderate Republican, who just hasn't bought the Olbermann line on Sarah Palin yet. If that makes this gay jew a neo-nazi white supremecist, so be it.

214 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:00pm

re: #190 Conservative Moonbat

I saw something about her cutting the payout of the Alaska permanent fund in half with bad investments.

[Link: www.adn.com...]

Everything revolving around this woman is a drama. She raised money. It wasn't legal. I can't recall all the twists and turns, but you can find it on ADN.

215 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:11pm

re: #197 Charles

If you're going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn't even begin to describe this.

You assume that she, and not her handlers, made this choice. Given her history, is that a logical assumption?

Just sayin'...

216 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:16pm
217 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:16pm

re: #197 Charles

If you're going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn't even begin to describe this.

What could even be worst is this may not have been bad judgement, as far as she was concerned? She may have done this with full understanding of who she was employing. It's certainly possible. She may have considered it very sound judgement.

218 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:18pm

re: #197 Charles


There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.


Which suggests she has no problem with the expression of white supremacist views, or cares so little about it that she thinks it doesn't matter.

219 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:40pm

C'mon - Palin would be doing the same thing BIDEN is doing right now - nothing.

220 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:41pm

re: #26 rollwave87

ok. maybe this book will be the nail in the coffin for me. it seems like this ghostwriter has her own track record of being a fanatic, not just associating with one. poor sarah...I guess sometimes we only see what we want to see? :(

Not sure how I feel about the association issue. In fairness, it's possible a atheist could ghost write a book about religion for example. If Palin just dictated her thoughts, and the writer just added some polish, the ghost writers bias might not show up.

Her choice of this particular writer is more suspect in my mind. Just thinking out loud here, still pondering.

221 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:54pm

re: #197 Charles

If you're going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn't even begin to describe this.

Ignorance is no excuse. This was easy to check out.

222 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:17:55pm

re: #197 Charles

There are two ways to look at this, either she knew or didn't.

If she didn't know, why the hell not? Is it too much to ask that you check up on business partners? Failing to do that basic research alone when you are a public figure should tell people all they need to know: intellectual lightweight with pretty talking points.

If she did know, well, that speaks for itself.

Either way, this makes her a non-starter. Perhaps we can come up with someone in 2016. . .

223 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:14pm

Some folks...well thats how they vote.not everyone checks out the candidates.It's not surprising that someone not politiclly active would vote for someone who looks like them,or comes from their state.
It is a sad commentary on how little they hold the right to choose those who would make decisions for them/us.And an insult to those who had their lives or heath taken away in a struggle to protect that right.

224 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:16pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

Since Mandy isn't around, someone has to say it:

I HOPE ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

225 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:25pm

re: #221 MandyManners

Ignorance is no excuse. This was easy to check out.

Google is widely available.

226 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #199 rwmofo

Well, I expected the mix of replies (regarding my question about Sarah), but this response:

"Assuming a woman would vote for another woman just because they are the same gender is not a reflection of reality."

...is debatable.

Obama garnered record women voters. Hillary voters voted for Obama.

227 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:45pm

re: #207 Flyers1974

I might beg to differ there. She was put in way above her head. I think McCain made the correct political decision in picking her, he had to throw a hail mary, but aside from politics, it was a reckless move.

Then she had no business being there in the first place, did she?

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:18:56pm

re: #213 rollwave87

I'm a moderate Republican, who just hasn't bought the Olbermann line on Sarah Palin yet.

Help me out here... What's the Olbermann line on Palin again?

229 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:23pm

Thanks for playing "Why does Sarah Palin still drive your blood pressure up into the air."

...especially you, Gus.

Heh.

230 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:32pm

re: #224 Dar ul Harb

Oh, sorry Mandy. I thought you'd stepped out.

231 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:32pm

re: #211 rebnatan

I updinged for the second para. Very balanced.

232 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

McCain was just as totally clueless about economics as Obama. The difference was that he knew he was. Obama did not know he was clueless (and perhaps still does not). More than likely, we would be in the exact same boat. Some of the stimulus bills and bailouts might have been smaller, but we would still be looking down an asinine debt increase. I would expect McCain to attempt to reform Medicare *first* before attempting to mess with Health Care reform in general, but I'm just talking out of my ass on that, I cant say for sure.

We may have avoided the tax cheats in the cabinet and the ex-commie woo-woo pseudo-science Czar.

233 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:42pm

OT: Pics from American Samoa

[Link: news.bnonews.com...]
[Link: news.bnonews.com...]

234 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:19:59pm

re: #207 Flyers1974

I might beg to differ there. She was put in way above her head. I think McCain made the correct political decision in picking her, he had to throw a hail mary, but aside from politics, it was a reckless move.

I don't think McCain wanted her at all. He wanted Leiberman. I don't know who, the GOP, his handlers, they put her up there.

235 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:20:13pm

re: #229 rwmofo

Thanks for playing "Why does Sarah Palin still drive your blood pressure up into the air."

...especially you, Gus.

Heh.

Look genius. I voted for Palin. My blood pressure is fine.

However, I will never vote for her again.

236 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:20:19pm

re: #216 yesandno

Actually no. Once he has been in jail for a while and been raped and sodomized, then maybe he will be ready for the cheese steak...

Downding. I don't want Polanski to be raped, and neither should you. No should be put through that, not even someone who has committed such a crime. That said, given his efforts to evade punishment by fighting extradition, it is now my conclusion that Roman Polanski should be imprisoned till the day he dies.

237 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

Actually- it's insulting. Do men vote for other men because they're the same gender? People don't vote with their crotch.

Gender is for nouns. People are either of the male or female sex. And I don't vote because of sex.

(As an aside, I was at the doctor's today and scratched out the question that asked me my "gender", replacing it with the proper word, "sex". I hope someone was offended.)

238 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #213 rollwave87

yeah. right. cause voices like mine are really dominating the GOP right now. not.

Not only am I not a right winger, I'm not even a conservative. I'm a moderate Republican, who just hasn't bought the Olbermann line on Sarah Palin yet. If that makes this gay jew a neo-nazi white supremecist, so be it.

Olbermann's posting here?

239 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:22pm

re: #233 bofhell

OT: Pics from American Samoa

[Link: news.bnonews.com...]
[Link: news.bnonews.com...]

Three to four foot wave in that area? Best guess.

240 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:27pm

re: #220 avanti

Please stop. You might hurt yourself.

241 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:36pm

re: #213 rollwave87

Project much?

242 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:40pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Look genius. I voted for Palin. My blood pressure is fine.

However, I will never vote for her again.

Genius? LOL. Did I thank you? Heh.

243 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:40pm

re: #219 Racer X

C'mon - Palin would be doing the same thing BIDEN is doing right now - nothing.

Well I wonder if the Onion would have run this same story with Palin replacing Biden. hmmm. Shirtless Biden Washes Trans Am In White House Driveway

244 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:43pm

re: #197 Charles

If you're going out shopping for a ghostwriter, how hard is it to find reputable people without extremist views and associations?

There are thousands of people who could have done this job. Sarah Palin picked one who is an extreme anti-abortion creationist, associated with an open white supremacist.

Bad judgment doesn't even begin to describe this.

Sarah is either a sucker, an extremist, or a totally uncalibrated tool - maybe even all of these things in a consumer appealing package. I don't know. The only thing I know for sure is that she can't make a rational decision.

245 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:21:57pm

re: #232 ArchangelMichael


We may have avoided the tax cheats in the cabinet and the ex-commie woo-woo pseudo-science Czar.

And assuming everything else you said above that was true...that last line is reason enough to go with McCain.

246 Chip Designer  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:22:11pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

Actually- it's insulting. Do men vote for other men because they're the same gender? People don't vote with their crotch.

I disagree. I have known men who would not vote for a woman because she was a woman. People vote with their crotch. Sometimes they vote with their skin color. Sometimes with their ansestrial origins.

247 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:22:30pm

re: #211 rebnatan

So one is guilty by association of an associate? How about if one associates with someone who associated with someone who associated with evil? We've disqualified a hell of a lot of people there.
The article on black genocide was a well-written piece on someone else's views. That's what writers are supposed to do.

The article on black genocide was an emotionally manipulative piece of racist tripe.

I'm going to go watch Ron Paul on the daily show and see if John Stewart makes him say somthing stupider than normal.

248 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:22:46pm

re: #242 rwmofo

Genius? LOL. Did I thank you? Heh.

You're out of line. You want to make this personal.

249 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:01pm

re: #229 rwmofo

She doesn't drive my blood pressure anywhere. She's been a major disappointment for me, and I'm sure many other former fans of hers as well.

250 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:07pm

Sarah Palin's anti intellectualism in the guise of hating teh elites is a huge turn off.

And this doesn't help.

251 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:25pm

re: #243 Mich-again

I don't know. I might read the Onion more often if they ran that story. OK, I'll say my prayers and repent right now!

252 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:34pm

re: #213 rollwave87

yeah. right. cause voices like mine are really dominating the GOP right now. not.

Not only am I not a right winger, I'm not even a conservative. I'm a moderate Republican, who just hasn't bought the Olbermann line on Sarah Palin yet. If that makes this gay jew a neo-nazi white supremecist, so be it.

You have mentioned you are a "gay jew" twice now. Do you think that lends some creed to your opinion? What does "gay jew" have to do with you opinions on Palin?

253 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:34pm

re: #233 bofhell

Here's some video...
Amateur Video; Tsunami Damage In Leone, American Samoa

254 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:35pm

re: #246 Chip Designer

I agree. And it's like that not just in politics either.

255 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:39pm

re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth

Help me out here... What's the Olbermann line on Palin again?

hmm...I dunno, were you around during the last election, when we were all sticking up for her against the insane left calling her white trash caribou barbie? wasnt it charles who debunked the myth that she tried to ban books? I applaud the effort to weed out the crazies in the GOP (ex: Glenn Beck, Tony Perkins, Buchanan, RS McCain), but let's not go overboard. That's where my 19th century France allegories came in.

256 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:41pm

I dunno - looking back at the past 9 months - I still think I would have preferred Mac and Palin over what we got now. But thats just me.

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:44pm

re: #229 rwmofo

Thanks for playing "Why does Sarah Palin still drive your blood pressure up into the air."

...especially you, Gus.

Heh.

Next time, on Lizard Game Night, we will play "Why does justifiable criticism of Palin drive your blood pressure up into the air"?

Hint: Celebrity Worship.

258 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:23:57pm

re: #213 rollwave87

yeah. right. cause voices like mine are really dominating the GOP right now. not.

Not only am I not a right winger, I'm not even a conservative. I'm a moderate Republican, who just hasn't bought the Olbermann line on Sarah Palin yet. If that makes this gay jew a neo-nazi white supremecist, so be it.

Lighten up, Frances.

259 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #256 Racer X

I dunno - looking back at the past 9 months - I still think I would have preferred Mac and Palin over what we got now. But thats just me.

Me too.

260 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:24:33pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Gender is for nouns. People are either of the male or female sex. And I don't vote because of sex.

(As an aside, I was at the doctor's today and scratched out the question that asked me my "gender", replacing it with the proper word, "sex". I hope someone was offended.)

They got tired of me responding, "Why, yes!", when asked, "Sex?"

261 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:24:33pm

re: #256 Racer X

I dunno - looking back at the past 9 months - I still think I would have preferred Mac and Palin over what we got now. But thats just me.

glenn beck says you're a rino.

262 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:25:02pm

re: #256 Racer X

Not me, I didn't vote. If I had it all to do over again I'd vote for Obama.

263 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:25:34pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Project much?

care to elaborate? btdub, wasn't cato the guy who gave speeches in ancient rome about how evil cats are?

264 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:25:48pm

She was hyped to no end, and it was one underwhelming speech after another. One underwhelming interview after another. One underwhelming debate...well, just one of those.

But people still have excuses...she has the Reagan gene in there, somewhere.

She. Is. An. Idiot. And the Republican party is far, far, worse off because of it.

*braces for downdings*

265 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:26:23pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Not true. McCain would have aimed military assets at Iran by now. The mullahs would have been much more likely to take him seriously.

I don't believe that at all. I think the Iran thing is much more complicated than we all realize. One would think that China should care deeply about Iran having nukes - who loves stability more than the Chinese, just for starters. Yet they do not care. When politicians not concerned with elections take a position like the Chinese have, I have to wonder what they know that we (the public) do not.

266 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:26:28pm

re: #264 erraticsphinx

She was hyped to no end, and it was one underwhelming speech after another. One underwhelming interview after another. One underwhelming debate...well, just one of those.

But people still have excuses...she has the Reagan gene in there, somewhere.

She. Is. An. Idiot. And the Republican party is far, far, worse off because of it.

*braces for downdings*

fooled ya eh? :)

267 Irenicum  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:26:38pm

re: #264 erraticsphinx

None from me. You're right.

268 sngnsgt  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:26:54pm

re: #261 Sharmuta

glenn beck says you're a rino.

Buck Glenn Feck.

269 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:27:01pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Me too.

Me three.


...OMG, Jason Kendall TIES THE GAME.

Thank you for possibly saving the Braves' asses!

270 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:27:11pm

re: #247 Conservative Moonbat

That would require the equivalent of a black hole of stupidity. Better Tivo it instead.

271 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:27:44pm

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

272 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:27:56pm
If I had it all to do over again I'd vote for Obama.

Let's not forget that Obama has his own racist, anti-semitic, paranoid association: Rev. Wright. Obama called him his mentor until it got too politically hot.

273 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:28:12pm

re: #256 Racer X

I dunno - looking back at the past 9 months - I still think I would have preferred Mac and Palin over what we got now. But thats just me.

I agree. McCain would be leading the charge against Iranian nukes, and Sarah?
Sarah would be doing every bit the job that Biden is doing, bless his heart.
What is more worthless than a US VP?

274 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:28:30pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Must be cheaper to produce than shows about real food.

275 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:28:36pm

re: #272 Chekote

Let's not forget that Obama has his own racist, anti-semitic, paranoid association: Rev. Wright. Obama called him his mentor until it got too politically hot.

That doesn't count.

276 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:28:40pm

re: #263 rollwave87

Duck.

Actually, seek deep shelter.

277 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:28:53pm

re: #269 TheMatrix31

There's another Braves fan here?

278 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:06pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

Nope, that's cable.
/ducks and runs

279 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:15pm

re: #276 Dianna

Duck.

Actually, seek deep shelter.

LOL.

280 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:24pm

re: #273 The Shadow Do

281 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:36pm

Seriously - what has Biden done 9 months in? What would Sarah have done by now? Not much.

Yeah Sarah is dumb. Compared to Biden? Its a wash.

282 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:40pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

kilgore you just put my moms voice in my head
"just think of all the starving children in the world."
un-eaten cake-just plain wrong

283 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:51pm

re: #278 Gang of One

I'm going to make a 9 foot tall cake to mock you!

284 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:54pm

re: #280 Lawrior


Jimmy Carter

PIMF

285 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:29:54pm

re: #149 Dianna

Don't ask. The answers will not make you feel better.

Dianna -

I really like former Gov. Palin. Truth be told, I would prefer that She were our President rather than the incumbent. She has, or seems to have, the one thing President Obama lacks - COMMON SENSE/FEEL.
President Obama's Columbia and Harvard Degrees cut No Ice with me. Got the same Two degrees from Two Schools just below them in prestige on scolarship and paying my own way working multiple jobs - the kind you had to turn up for, on time & ready to go.
i am, therefore, more of a kindred spirit of Sarah Palin than Barack Obama -
AND - I am sure it was harder for Sarah/Girl than Me/Boy.

-S-

286 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:08pm

re: #244 The Shadow Do

Sarah is either a sucker, an extremist, or a totally uncalibrated tool - maybe even all of these things in a consumer appealing package. I don't know. The only thing I know for sure is that she can't make a rational decision.

Here's the question in my mind. Let's set aside all the questions of her intelligence. Let's even assume she's a master of foreign and domestic policy.

SHE RESIGNED AS GOVERNOR OF ALASKA. ALASKA for crying out loud! Now I don't want to malign Alaska -- it's a beautiful state and home to many industrious people, but I'm thinking there are several Governors with more stressful problems with their states. And she quit.

If that's not fodder for a Presidential campaign, I don't know what is. Nixon notwithstanding, you can't simply quite being President.

287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:12pm

Note to those reading LGF while posting on other blogs: Most of us don't support Roman Polanski, not even most of the liberals here. I surely want the man in prison till he dies.

288 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:17pm

re: #197 Charles

Someone a lot like herself, maybe?

I remember last fall I thought I chalked up some kind of down-ding record for my Palin posts (sorry, Cato, but I think I have you beat). I can't describe the warm fuzzy feeling I have, that she's showing herself to be everything I knew she was, back when I said she was another token fundie trotted out to appease the far right.

"Once you know the nature of something, you know what it's capable of."


Last fall, people didn't want to see her for what she is. Now they have no choice. Everything she has done and said confirm exactly what I thought about her. She hasn't lost me as a fan, because she never had me.

The Jindals, Bachmanns, Palins, Huckabees, Perrys - they're all the same people. Some just happen to squat to pee. And it will be a cold day in hell when I pull the lever at the ballot box for any one of them.

289 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:20pm

re: #273 The Shadow Do

I agree. McCain would be leading the charge against Iranian nukes, and Sarah?
Sarah would be doing every bit the job that Biden is doing, bless his heart.
What is more worthless than a US VP?

I don't know, but the current Secretary of State is running a close second.

(Which must annoy her no end.)

290 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:23pm

re: #272 Chekote

Let's not forget that Obama has his own racist, anti-semitic, paranoid association: Rev. Wright. Obama called him his mentor until it got too politically hot.

Just so.

291 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:47pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

I thought this was provoking you to cancel your cable?

KT, change the channel! I don't watch shows where Martha Stewart appears; you shouldn't watch shows about those who make strange structures from cake-like materials. The reactions appear to be similar.

292 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:48pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

Did you get that discount cable service whereby you only get The Food Network?

293 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:30:54pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

It counts in my book. I don't applied double standards.

294 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:21pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

They needed another one?

I tried watching the first one because I thought, like, you know, they'd show how they make cakes. Silly me, thinking shots of artists with big desks and paper and pens, would mean that we'd see the conceptual work and the actual process. Turns out I was wrong.

Fock Fuod Network.

295 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:29pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

better yet
i'll trade you one cake show for a history channel nostradomus"worlds gonna end sometime and he predicted" it fest

296 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:37pm

re: #293 Chekote

It counts in my book. I don't applied double standards.

It was un-tagged sarcasm, got it?

297 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:42pm

re: #279 Walter L. Newton

LOL.

It's still good advice.

298 jvic  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:48pm

re: #14 rollwave87

full disclosure: Ive been a Palin fan-boy for like a year and a half now so maybe Im just naively refusing to give up on her...

According to my diary, I saw Palin as a Presidential sapling back in September 2007. I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought.

I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

She's not preparing herself for anything but maximizing Sarah Palin.

Enough is enough.

299 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:31:48pm

re: #264 erraticsphinx

She was hyped to no end, and it was one underwhelming speech after another. One underwhelming interview after another. One underwhelming debate...well, just one of those.

But people still have excuses...she has the Reagan gene in there, somewhere.

She. Is. An. Idiot. And the Republican party is far, far, worse off because of it.

*braces for downdings*

That about sums it up. Like I said earlier- she was prematurely labeled the next Reagan, and couldn't live up to that hype.

Part of the problem with the party right now is we're trying to find "the next Reagan". How about getting back to real conservatism- Goldwater. You know- the guy who brought us Reagan?

Nope- that's not what the party is looking for. What the party is looking for is an icon, but without a foundation, we have nothing for an icon to stand on. And really- why would we want to follow what many think the left did in offering up an icon? If all the GOP wants to do is follow the playbook of the left it says to me we really have nothing to offer on our own.

300 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #277 rwmofo

Yes sir (ma'am)

301 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:32:44pm

I like the idea of Sarah Palin, gun-toting, self-reliant Alaskan she-wolf. The actual article... Not so much.

302 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:32:48pm

re: #255 rollwave87

If that's the Olbermann line on Palin, it is not being repeated here. We are discussing legitimate criticisms of her actions, which has fuck all to do with Olbermann.

You building a strawman?

303 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:32:52pm

re: #292 rwmofo

The Food network was the last thing I was holding on to. I get 71 channels of unwatchable crap.

304 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

Lighten up, Frances.

sorry. Im 22. no idea what that;s a reference to. but im sure it was really witty.

305 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:08pm

Obviously Palin quit her job to cash in on her fame. All that nonsense she gave about being a lame duck, frivolous complaints and the rest was just an excuse. The fact that she would choose a ghost writer associated with the far, religious right doesn't surprise me. That's her fan base. Those are the people who will make her very rich.

306 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:38pm

re: #256 Racer X

I dunno - looking back at the past 9 months - I still think I would have preferred Mac and Palin over what we got now. But thats just me.

So would I, but liking a slightly smaller shit sandwich over a larger one really is not saying much.

I will say, I was never concerned or worried about McCain dying in office. His mother is still alive and kicking in her 90s. Palin to me was a tool to keep the so-con kooks happy and voting but not really doing anything other than that for them. I was hoping that she would help anchor McCain more in Fi-con land but that proved to be totally wishful thinking on my part.

I will not support her without some positive action on her part between now and whenever she runs. So far she's making things worse daily. If she gets the GOP nomination in 2012, I'll write in "Zombie Barry Goldwater" or "Zombie Ronald Reagan" unless Obama miraculously becomes a stealth fi-con between now and then.

307 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:47pm

re: #285 Dr. Shalit

I'm going to read her book (nobody is to throw anything at me - the ghost has already been paid! I make no difference to that) and decide.

I'd already decided, after she quit as governor of Alaska, that I would never vote for her. Other than that, I am reserving my opinion.

308 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:47pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

This sets out things regarding Polanski pretty well.

NOW has been eerily silent on this issue.

309 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:48pm

Fast forward 3 years - would I vote for Sarah to be prez over Obama's second term?

Please don't make me make that choice. I'm begging you.

310 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #263 rollwave87

care to elaborate?

No one was calling you a neo-nazi [sic] white supremecist [sic]. That's your projection talking. No one is calling Palin that - yet. Quaeque erint demonstrandum.

She is being and has been called a lot of things, here and elsewhere, by me and others - including incredibly stupid, narcissistic, shallow, opportunistic, amoral, a quitter, and a liar. If you want to cling to some hopes in her for the future, that is your privilege.

311 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #305 Chekote

Exactly.

312 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:03pm

re: #298 jvic

According to my diary, I saw Palin as a Presidential sapling back in September 2007. I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought.

I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

She's not preparing herself for anything but maximizing Sarah Palin.

Enough is enough.

Yeah- she's pretty much shown she's about enriching herself. Quitting her job has made that easier.

313 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:19pm

re: #300 TheMatrix31

Yes sir (ma'am)

I'm no lady. Have been a Braves fan since the year they moved to Atlanta - including all the bad years. Saw Aaron hit two HRs in a game around 66-67.

314 drogheda  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:29pm

re: #295 Boondock St. Bender

better yet
i'll trade you one cake show for a history channel nostradomus"worlds gonna end sometime and he predicted" it fest

Cake show beats Nostradamus show any day.

315 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:30pm

re: #285 Dr. Shalit

Dianna -

I really like former Gov. Palin. Truth be told, I would prefer that She were our President rather than the incumbent. She has, or seems to have, the one thing President Obama lacks - COMMON SENSE/FEEL.
President Obama's Columbia and Harvard Degrees cut No Ice with me. Got the same Two degrees from Two Schools just below them in prestige on scolarship and paying my own way working multiple jobs - the kind you had to turn up for, on time & ready to go.
i am, therefore, more of a kindred spirit of Sarah Palin than Barack Obama -
AND - I am sure it was harder for Sarah/Girl than Me/Boy.

-S-

I believe it was former Senator Fred Thompson that correctly described the one thing Governor Palin brought to the campaign that no other candidate did -- she could speak "Downhome". Whatever her weaknesses in policy knowledge, she could connect to audiences in a manner akin to Presidents Reagan and Clinton.

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:51pm

re: #122 jaunte

Man, Malkin is really diving into exploitation of the Polanski muck.

I'm sure it's all the lefties' fault somehow.

317 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:55pm

re: #281 Racer X

Seriously - what has Biden done 9 months in? What would Sarah have done by now? Not much.

Yeah Sarah is dumb. Compared to Biden? Its a wash.

Part of the "nay" against Sarah was because McCain is an older fellow with some questionable health issues. I think folks looked at her more seriously to take over the #1 spot than Biden.

318 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:34:56pm

re: #304 rollwave87

sorry. Im 22. no idea what that;s a reference to. but im sure it was really witty.

The movie Stripes. Rent it, you'll enjoy it.

319 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:35:38pm

re: #302 Slumbering Behemoth

Some end up legitimately criticizing her, and that's fine. But when you go away from legit criticisms, that's a problem. It's a problem with what people do to Obama too, and it's been the focus of scorn for us here for so long, ya know?

320 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:35:48pm

re: #298 jvic

According to my diary, I saw Palin as a Presidential sapling back in September 2007. I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought.

I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

She's not preparing herself for anything but maximizing Sarah Palin.

Enough is enough.

see, I think that's a fair criticism. and I respect it, even if I'm not willing to go there yet. but is it really necessary to insinuate that John McCain selected a white supremacist as his running mate?

321 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:35:53pm

re: #315 bofhell

I believe it was former Senator Fred Thompson that correctly described the one thing Governor Palin brought to the campaign that no other candidate did -- she could speak "Downhome". Whatever her weaknesses in policy knowledge, she could connect to audiences in a manner akin to Presidents Reagan and Clinton.

Didn't help Fred too much either, as it turns out.

322 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:36:12pm

re: #313 rwmofo

Awesome.

323 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:36:31pm

re: #304 rollwave87

sorry. Im 22. no idea what that;s a reference to. but im sure it was really witty.

Do 22 year olds not know how to google?

324 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:36:41pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

Their looking for the easy slam dunk.kind of a party talisman to safely usher the party hacks to office on coattails.The gop needs a lesson in hard work

325 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:36:58pm

re: #270 Dianna

That would require the equivalent of a black hole of stupidity. Better Tivo it instead.

I don't have TiVo or I would have. RP had an insane bit about the government counterfeiting money that I still don't understand. The best Stewart could come up with was questions about who is supposed to protect individual liberties from corporations and stuff like that. He didn't really try to pin RP in on any of his stupidity, at least not really hard.

326 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:37:09pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

Do 22 year olds not know how to google?

Work is teh hard!11!

327 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:37:22pm

re: #320 rollwave87

but is it really necessary to insinuate that John McCain selected a white supremacist as his running mate?

Who has done that?

328 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:37:23pm

re: #298 jvic

According to my diary, I saw Palin as a Presidential sapling back in September 2007. I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought.

I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

She's not preparing herself for anything but maximizing Sarah Palin.

Enough is enough.

She will make some bucks. Can't begrudge that.
God bless America.
Now go away, Sarah.

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:37:37pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

I'm a Democrat, so I'm not sure you want my story. But:

1. She undermines serious women in politics.
2. I can live without being told I'm not a real American.
3. No one who can't define the Bush doctrine in an interview should be interviewing to be VP to Bush's successor.

330 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:37:49pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

That's what we call it nowadays. I hear the website's good too. :)

/

331 yesandno  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:22pm

I appologize for my comment on Polanski. It was tastless and you (Dark Falcon) were correct to call me to task. And sorry Charles as well.

I find it equally tasteless that because he fled the country a long time ago, we should forgive and forget. That was the point I was wanting to make.

My bad...and again, I appologize.

332 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

Do 22 year olds not know how to google?

Do former governors of Alaska?

333 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #285 Dr. Shalit

I really like former Gov. Palin.

If the "former governor" part doesn't put you off, I guess nothing will. You might try asking around Alaska and see what they think about the state's quitter-in-chief.

334 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:42pm

re: #321 Dar ul Harb

Didn't help Fred too much either, as it turns out.

Fred: an actor playing a candidate running for president.

335 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:54pm

re: #298 jvic

According to my diary, I saw Palin as a Presidential sapling back in September 2007. I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought.

I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

She's not preparing herself for anything but maximizing Sarah Palin.

Enough is enough.

Her (media-created) image was the best a politician could hope to have. And she had the opportunity to make things happen. The media hung on every word she said. No matter how liberal people think the media is, she was in a rare position where her star power would have cancelled all that out. She simply didn't have the talent.

336 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:38:55pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Do former governors of Alaska?

Apparently.

337 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:39:27pm

re: #325 Conservative Moonbat

I don't have TiVo or I would have. RP had an insane bit about the government counterfeiting money that I still don't understand. The best Stewart could come up with was questions about who is supposed to protect individual liberties from corporations and stuff like that. He didn't really try to pin RP in on any of his stupidity, at least not really hard.

Oooo you mentioned Tivo!

Totally OT: My Tivo actually died after 6 years. Everything would pause every 3-4 seconds. Became unwatchable. We ordered a new one and I have to say, these new boxes are awesome. Completely redone. I highly suggest it.

Killgore, I take it you don't have Tivo because if you did, you could watch Alton for hours without having to mess with the cake shows.

338 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:39:35pm

re: #299 Sharmuta


Nope- that's not what the party is looking for. What the party is looking for is an icon, but without a foundation, we have nothing for an icon to stand on. And really- why would we want to follow what many think the left did in offering up an icon? If all the GOP wants to do is follow the playbook of the left it says to me we really have nothing to offer on our own.

A ghostwritten Sara Palin book is pretty symbolic of that. They aren't trying to get her message out so much as market her as a product.

339 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:01pm

Gonna' get my nightly bowl of cereal. bbiab

340 drogheda  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:04pm

Google doesn't always have the answers. Sometimes Googling works well and you can find what you wanted. Other times the information you seek is as scarce as hen's teeth.

341 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:16pm
I was jubilant when McCain picked her. I persisted in giving her a pass during the campaign because she was in a situation that she hadn't sought. I hoped that after the election she would prepare herself for a national role.

Same here. But after a few months away from the election, I saw no sign that Palin was interested in learning about the issues. Worse. She starting wearing her ignorance as a badge of honor. She thinks it makes her a "real person". Whatever that is.

342 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:26pm

re: #140 rwmofo

I understand why the media/left hates Palin so much: They fear she could pick up the female vote.

But why does Palin seem to drive up the blood pressure of others - like people here?

And how exactly would she seize the female vote? By opposing safe & legal access to abortion? By coddling up with supremacists? The only women she'll receive votes from are the right-wing fringe loons.

343 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:36pm

re: #325 Conservative Moonbat

I don't have TiVo or I would have. RP had an insane bit about the government counterfeiting money that I still don't understand. The best Stewart could come up with was questions about who is supposed to protect individual liberties from corporations and stuff like that. He didn't really try to pin RP in on any of his stupidity, at least not really hard.

Oooh! The crazy uncle once again spewed the nonsense about "fiat money"?

I think Stewart didn't have to do anything. Besides, you never know what the crazy uncle might do if you push him. He might cry.

344 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:40pm

Just saw Bernie Goldberg laying into the Tea Party crowd. Pretty good stuff.

345 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:42pm

re: #320 rollwave87

The implication is that Palin ought to have known better than to hire this particular ghostwriter, not that she shows any particular sympathy for neo-Confederate racists.

346 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:40:51pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

PIMF = "quaeque erint demonstranda"

347 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:41:00pm

re: #331 yesandno

I find it equally tasteless that because he fled the country a long time ago, we should forgive and forget. That was the point I was wanting to make.

I am utterly disgusted by the creeps in Hollywood who are rushing to his defense.

348 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:41:12pm

re: #334 Dianna

Fred: an actor playing a candidate running for president.

He held a Senate seat.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:41:53pm

re: #186 Dianna

It's the passage of time, I think. And - until this weekend, really - I knew very little about the case. I heard "statutory rape" and didn't think much of it.

Now? I have a much different and stronger opinion.

It would have been rape even had she been an adult. From what I've read, it sounds as though her mother should have done some time too.

The Swiss have gone up a few notches in my esteem. Good collar.

350 Mark Pennington  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:01pm

I don't think the people who buy her book will care if the ghostwriter is associated with white supremacy. It's pretty clear that they don't have a problem with this association.

Charles, you amaze me with your knowledge on this subject AND to be able to back up what you say with (detailed)proof.

351 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #347 Mich-again

I am utterly disgusted by the creeps in Hollywood who are rushing to his defense.

Yes I find that interesting. Ask them what if Polanski was a Catholic priest? Still want leniency?

352 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:10pm

re: #341 Chekote

Same here. But after a few months away from the election, I saw no sign that Palin was interested in learning about the issues. Worse. She starting wearing her ignorance as a badge of honor. She thinks it makes her a "real person". Whatever that is.

She may be the perfect avatar of the "New Republican". How sad is that?

353 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:19pm

re: #315 bofhell

I believe it was former Senator Fred Thompson that correctly described the one thing Governor Palin brought to the campaign that no other candidate did -- she could speak "Downhome". Whatever her weaknesses in policy knowledge, she could connect to audiences in a manner akin to Presidents Reagan and Clinton.

Here is her problem - she didn't do a great job of faking the downhome. Most of those who were not very conservative, didn't buy it.

354 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:45pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

No one was calling you a neo-nazi [sic] white supremecist [sic]. That's your projection talking. No one is calling Palin that - yet. Quaeque erint demonstrandum.

She is being and has been called a lot of things, here and elsewhere, by me and others - including incredibly stupid, narcissistic, shallow, opportunistic, amoral, a quitter, and a liar. If you want to cling to some hopes in her for the future, that is your privilege.

Thanks. Consider that privilege exercised. And if you want to keep hoping for the resurrection of Cato, go for it dude.

355 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:42:51pm

re: #340 drogheda

Google doesn't always have the answers. Sometimes Googling works well and you can find what you wanted. Other times the information you seek is as scarce as hen's teeth.

Or you're me, and your google search term was the worst possible choice.

My google-fu sucks.

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:01pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

OT: another show about assholes who make cakes. Nobody ever tastes these things they just talk about how cool it looks. Is that food?

Cake is good, Killgore.
Relax.
Have a piece of cake.

357 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:22pm

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

A ghostwritten Sara Palin book is pretty symbolic of that. They aren't trying to get her message out so much as market her as a product.

That's a great point. At least former conservative leaders like Goldwater and Gingrich had books on ideology, positions. This is a memoir- there will be no policy positions in this book. Nothing to build on. It's about making money off selling her one product- herself.

358 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:47pm

If it weren't for her looks, Palin would have been laughed off the political stage a long time ago.

359 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:48pm

re: #354 rollwave87

Thanks. Consider that privilege exercised. And if you want to keep hoping for the resurrection of Cato, go for it dude.

Pleased to meet you. Think you know my name.

360 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:49pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

Do 22 year olds not know how to google?

ouch! good one!

361 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:43:57pm

re: #45 imp_62

Nice Avatar.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:21pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Obama garnered record women voters. Hillary voters voted for Obama.

I know a few who didn't. And I stood in the booth for a while, feeling crabby and thinking about it.

363 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:29pm

re: #321 Dar ul Harb

Didn't help Fred too much either, as it turns out.

Fred couldn't make up his mind about running or not. Kinda put the kabosh on any enthusiasm for him as a candidate.

364 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:32pm

OT :

Crazypants at NewsMax

Yes, that'll solve the Obama problem alright. Along with the democracy, elections, and liberty problems. They are very pesky too.

365 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:53pm

re: #175 Racer X

Hypothetical:

Say McCain and Palin won. Where would we be RIGHT NOW?

Part owners of GM and Chrysler - throwing money at them they will never repay? Tripling down on the debt? Cramming legislation up our asses with no oversight or debate? Cabinet full of tax cheats? The country divided like never before?

Be honest - how bad would it be RIGHT NOW?

RacerX -

OK, let me try -

GM and Chrysler - Merged, and under "Conservatorship" - looking forward to re-selling their combined equity to the private market. (Wish - Buick was terminated, Pontiac remaining as the "Middle Make" - Go To pontiac.com and buick.com - there were more Pontiacs available in 2009 than Buicks in 2010!). Dodge, or Chrysler - flip a coin - remains, building the best of both, the other name dies. Jeep - Stays, with a slimmed down model line.
Debt - would have been increased - not NEARLY as much.
Cabinet - PROBABLY BETTER - Not Perfect.
Country - As Divided in 2008 more or less.
World - Has a Strong POTUS and VPOTUS - Such as was missing in 1961, and 2009.

-S-

366 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:57pm

Wow. People are still answering my "Sarah" question.

I find it amazing that she can generate so much emotion - today.

367 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:44:57pm

re: #347 Mich-again

I am utterly disgusted by the creeps in Hollywood who are rushing to his defense.

I don't want him extradited. I don't want him to darken our shores again. I want him to stay in Europe until he dies.

368 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:45:00pm

re: #353 Flyers1974

Here is her problem - she didn't do a great job of faking the downhome. Most of those who were not very conservative, didn't buy it.

A "you betcha" and a wink couldn't fool this scion of Midwest WASPs.

369 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:45:04pm

re: #358 Chekote

I think she was laughed off despite her looks...

370 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:45:30pm

re: #358 Chekote

If it weren't for her looks, Palin would have been laughed off the political stage a long time ago.

why does Sarah Palin elicit such hate in people? Seriously? What is it you people despise so much about her? Her looks, her family, her success, her intelligence?

371 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:45:49pm

re: #315 bofhell

I believe it was former Senator Fred Thompson that correctly described the one thing Governor Palin brought to the campaign that no other candidate did -- she could speak "Downhome". Whatever her weaknesses in policy knowledge, she could connect to audiences in a manner akin to Presidents Reagan and Clinton.

The problem with that is, well yes I don't want a arrogant pseudo-intellectual beltway insider who shows nothing but disdain toward flyover country people, BUT I also do not want a "Downhome speaker" who was an anti-intellectual flyover country yokel who shows nothing but disdain toward "big city folk".

I was hoping that Palin could straddle both, since everyone else involved was an example of the former to some extent. She appeared to be quite a good example of the latter.

372 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:46:10pm

re: #304 rollwave87

sorry. Im 22. no idea what that;s a reference to. but im sure it was really witty.

Behold:

"My real name is Francis. But if any one of you homos calls me Francis...I'll kill you."
"Lighten up, Francis."

- from the movie Stripes.

373 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:46:14pm

re: #370 rollwave87

Oh. Come on.
I choked on my Nutella sandwich at that.

374 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #348 The Shadow Do

He held a Senate seat.

And quit.

I held - during his brief run - that Fred was true comedy gold, at least for me. My Male was a huge supporter. My Male dislikes - in about this order - lawyers, lobbyists, politicians and actors. Quitters don't please him, either

Watching him twist himself in knots to defend Fred Thompson on all these points...you have no idea. I had about 8 weeks of laughs.

375 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:46:51pm

re: #370 rollwave87

why does Sarah Palin elicit such hate in people? Seriously? What is it you people despise so much about her? Her looks, her family, her success, her intelligence?

I don't hate her at all. I'm severely disappointed in her and think she's giving conservative women a bad name.

376 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:46:52pm

re: #354 rollwave87

Oh, dear.

Really, seek deep shelter.

377 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:47:00pm

re: #341 Chekote

She starting wearing her ignorance as a badge of honor. She thinks it makes her a "real person".

When Katie Couric asked Palin "What newspapers do you read?" Palin acted like it was a trick question and couldn't even fake an answer.

378 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:47:00pm

re: #370 rollwave87

She was not equal to the job for which she applied, and tried to fake it.

379 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #363 bofhell

Fred couldn't make up his mind about running or not. Kinda put the kabosh on any enthusiasm for him as a candidate.

Well, on the other hand, there's something to be said for giving the job to somebody who's not ambitious for it.

Cheney/Thompson 2012!

/

380 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:47:36pm

Everyone made this into a choice between Obama and Palin. I never saw it that way at all.

Palin vs. Biden was the choice. We knew what to expect for ol' Joe and he has not let us down. We expected more from Palin thats for sure, but I still think she would have been just fine as VP. Prez? Not so much.

Biden as prez? Shudder.

381 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:48:03pm

re: #365 Dr. Shalit

disagree about the 1961 thing.say what you will,he de-pantsed krushchev twice on the world stage.

382 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:48:06pm

re: #373 erraticsphinx

Oh. Come on.
I choked on my Nutella sandwich at that.

Ah. Another enlightened soul who has discovered (and consumes) Nutella. A wonderful product.

383 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:48:22pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

Force people to use google, Dear. It's for their own good.

384 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:48:48pm

re: #350 beekiller

I don't think the people who buy her book will care if the ghostwriter is associated with white supremacy. It's pretty clear that they don't have a problem with this association.

Charles, you amaze me with your knowledge on this subject AND to be able to back up what you say with (detailed)proof.

I never post anything like this without having convincing proof to back it up.

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:02pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Note to those reading LGF while posting on other blogs: Most of us don't support Roman Polanski, not even most of the liberals here. I surely want the man in prison till he dies.

This liberal would like the man in prison for a long time. My father, a lifelong Democrat and happy Obama voter, also an ex-cop, was practically dancing when he got the news of the arrest.

386 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:08pm

re: #366 rwmofo

Wow. People are still answering my "Sarah" question.

I find it amazing that she can generate so much emotion - today.

She's an emotional touchstone of how wrong the R's have become (IMHO). She encapsulates the ignoramuses of the R cheerleading squad. The hiring of a radical hack to write her Autobiography seals the deal.

387 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:12pm

re: #359 Cato the Elder

Pleased to meet you. Think you know my name.

Will you please give the rest of us warning before there is an explosion that takes the snow off Mt. Blanc?

388 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:13pm

re: #378 jaunte

She was not equal to the job for which she applied, and tried to fake it.

I gotta agree with you there. If she had been as intelligent and eloquent as Biden, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

389 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:17pm

re: #347 Mich-again

I am utterly disgusted by the creeps in Hollywood who are rushing to his defense.

While it is easy to white wash the entertainment industry, there are people of all stripes. Hasn't ANYONE of substance in that sector come out and said "Polanski plead guilty to a crime, if he has a problem with it, he needs to return to the United States and work through the justice system here".

[Yeah, and know. Pigs will fly on their own when someone of such standing says that.]

390 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:23pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't forget the running to a foreign country for 30 years to avoid prosecution. The thing that makes my head hurt even more is the argument that he's suffered enough because he had to flee after admitting his guilt, pay for lawyers, and could not go to to Hollywood to accept his Oscar.

What makes him so special that some people are willing to give him a free pass FOR RAPING A CHILD‽‽‽

/OK, as long as he paid his lawyers. . .

391 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #370 rollwave87

why does Sarah Palin elicit such hate in people? Seriously? What is it you people despise so much about her? Her looks, her family, her success, her intelligence?

Actually, I never "hated" her until the Conservatives, including some here (or who were here) continually pushed the theme that liberals were scared of Palin and were pretending otherwise in a collective political trick. That's when my facsination began. They created a cult of personality far more deep than anything with Obama.

392 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:07pm

re: #308 Lawrior

This sets out things regarding Polanski pretty well.

NOW has been eerily silent on this issue.

quote from the article, from Mitterand:

"In the same way that there is a generous America that we like, there is also a scary America that has just shown its face," he said.

I would like to reply to that:

Yes, there is a scary America. Remember this, please. If you are a European who thinks grown men having sex with drugged-up 13 year-olds is acceptable, fear us, and stay away, and stay away from American girls.

Thank you.

393 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #388 rwmofo

It wasn't really a VP vs. VP election, was it?

394 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:16pm

re: #380 Racer X

That's what pissed me off too. Palin was on the ticket as VICE President. Obama was on the ticket for PRESIDENT. Assuming that McCain was gonna die in office, all the while ignoring Obama being launched into the office from the fuckin' start...it was just convoluted in my opinion.

395 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:18pm

re: #377 Mich-again

When Katie Couric asked Palin "What newspapers do you read?" Palin acted like it was a trick question and couldn't even fake an answer.

Hey, if they'd asked me, I'd say "Newspapers? Who reads

newspapers

anymore? This is the 21st Century."

396 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:55pm

re: #377 Mich-again

When Katie Couric asked Palin "What newspapers do you read?" Palin acted like it was a trick question and couldn't even fake an answer.

Even if she'd said she didn't have time to read much besides bedtime stories and legislation- it would have been acceptable, but she had nothing.

397 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:50:57pm

re: #370 rollwave87

I made a statement of fact. This is not hate. For God's sake she couldn't even answer a simple question like "What do you read on a regular basis?". Honestly, do you think a man would get away with that? Or an average looking woman? No way.

398 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:51:01pm

re: #374 Dianna

And quit.

I held - during his brief run - that Fred was true comedy gold, at least for me. My Male was a huge supporter. My Male dislikes - in about this order - lawyers, lobbyists, politicians and actors. Quitters don't please him, either

Watching him twist himself in knots to defend Fred Thompson on all these points...you have no idea. I had about 8 weeks of laughs.

Is he OK? Your husband that is.

Sounds very painful. Is there a name for this ailment?

399 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:51:04pm

re: #391 Flyers1974

They created a cult of personality far more deep than anything with Obama.

...what?

400 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:51:26pm

re: #395 Dar ul Harb

Hey, if they'd asked me, I'd say "Newspapers? Who reads

newspapers

anymore? This is the 21st Century."

That would have been a perfect response actually.

401 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:51:57pm

re: #396 Sharmuta

Even if she'd said she didn't have time to read much besides bedtime stories and legislation- it would have been acceptable, but she had nothing.

Deer in the headlights.

/

402 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:21pm

re: #355 Dianna
No fu to it...
Google is stoopit... it's GIGO.** The way to get exactly what you want from it is to put exactly.. and only... the words in that you're seeking, and don't worry about how they look. Go narrow.
**garbage in garbage out

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:25pm

re: #317 marjoriemoon

Part of the "nay" against Sarah was because McCain is an older fellow with some questionable health issues. I think folks looked at her more seriously to take over the #1 spot than Biden.

God willing, McCain has many years ahead of him, but I will say that was a small concern for me as well. He's not a young man, and he has not lived a life that's been easy on his body.

404 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:33pm

re: #380 Racer X

Everyone made this into a choice between Obama and Palin. I never saw it that way at all.

Palin vs. Biden was the choice. We knew what to expect for ol' Joe and he has not let us down. We expected more from Palin thats for sure, but I still think she would have been just fine as VP. Prez? Not so much.

Biden as prez? Shudder.

That's because this was a very different election. We had the home-grown gal on one side and the ethnic guy on the other.

In the end, the vast majority of us voted because you liked either Obama or McCain, but I will say that Palin influenced the Republican pick a lot more than Biden influenced the Democratic pick.

405 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #400 Mich-again

That would have been a perfect response actually.

Which is why McCain didn't pick me, I suppose.

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:56pm

re: #370 rollwave87

Classic smoke 'n mirrors. When someone exalts a pundit, they characterize any and all criticism of said pundit as "hate speech". It's a weak tactic.

"You people"?

407 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:56pm

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits


She's a joke.
408 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:52:57pm

She is not even an expert on oil and gas. She was a commissior for less than a year. And after her brief tenure, Alaska changed the law so that they will not longer appoint someone with no energy background. She learned a couple of phrases like "feeding hungry energy markets" and made sure she looked good.

409 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:53:27pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Deer in the headlights.

/

As a mother with little kids and a job like Governor, who would have thought less of her for not having much time to read newspapers? I think most working moms would have sympathized. But no- it was like a trick question to her. Unreal.

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:53:34pm

bbiab

411 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:54:00pm

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.

She ran for VP and lost - get over it. Did the right continue to pick on Geraldine Ferraro?

412 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:54:05pm

re: #393 jaunte

It wasn't really a VP vs. VP election, was it?

The biggest surprise for me was when the media turned on Mrs. Clinton. That, in my opinion, sealed it.

413 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:54:11pm

re: #368 Cato the Elder

A "you betcha" and a wink couldn't fool this scion of Midwest WASPs.

Cato, you consistently got the Palin thing right. And usually in a very humorous manner i might add.

414 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #370 rollwave87

why does Sarah Palin elicit such hate in people? Seriously? What is it you people despise so much about her? Her looks, her family, her success, her intelligence?

Her looks? Leave me cold.

Her family? Aside from the risible children's names, I couldn't care less. But you must admit Track and Trig, together with grandson Tripp, sound like a weekend comedy team from the Eddie Bauer factory outlet store in Cheeseball, Idaho.

Her "success"? LOL. ROFL. LMAO.

Her intelligence? I have no words...

415 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:54:59pm

re: #411 Racer X

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.

She ran for VP and lost - get over it. Did the right continue to pick on Geraldine Ferraro?

Quite Concur. She's not presidential timber, but she's not a bad person either.

416 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:05pm

She could have lied and said WaPo, NY Times, WSJ and the ADN. Nooo... it was a trick question. Same on the question about which SCOTUS decision other than Roe vs. Wade did she disagree with. Total disaster.

417 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:22pm

It was very easy to buy into Palin. A woman who would take no shit, who would confront corruption, and who would advance conservatism.

Unfortunately, it was all a crock.

Damn sad, really.

418 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:25pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Cake is good, Killgore.
Relax.
Have a piece of cake.

the cake is a lie

419 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:29pm

re: #379 Dar ul Harb

Well, on the other hand, there's something to be said for giving the job to somebody who's not ambitious for it.

Cheney/Thompson 2012!

/

Arthur Clark, in his novel Imperial Earth posited a United States in the future led by a President that was chosen by computer for (a) their capability to handle the position and (b) their disdain for the position, with a term not to exceed 8 years but could be reduced for good performance!

420 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:48pm

re: #411 Racer X

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.

She ran for VP and lost - get over it. Did the right continue to pick on Geraldine Ferraro?

Democrats never dreamed of her being the standard-bearer after she got trounced. The GOP re: Palin, most certainly do (did.)

421 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:48pm

re: #391 Flyers1974

Actually, I never "hated" her until the Conservatives, including some here (or who were here) continually pushed the theme that liberals were scared of Palin and were pretending otherwise in a collective political trick. That's when my facsination began. They created a cult of personality far more deep than anything with Obama.

THe only thing keeping me from agreeing with you is that I think you are wrong...

Ok seriously. The Palin cult has not yet remotely exceeded Obama's Cult of Personality (which is waning though). If the "left" or the MSM was "afraid" of Palin, it's only because they think she might trick enough people into thinking she's got what it takes to be President and then will drive the country off a cliff.

I'm pretty sure when she resigned her last job, that was the end of that "fear".

422 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:51pm

re: #402 tradewind

Google is stoopit... it's GIGO

Huh? I've tried all the search engines and I keep going back to Google because it is by far the best one at doing what I need it to do.

423 Mark Pennington  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:55:58pm

re: #384 Charles

I know you must be tired of getting bashed but you're doing the right thing and you have more friends than foes. ;)

424 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:00pm

re: #409 Sharmuta

As a mother with little kids and a job like Governor, who would have thought less of her for not having much time to read newspapers? I think most working moms would have sympathized. But no- it was like a trick question to her. Unreal.

Clearly a lack of self confidence. Otherwise, one could always talk about books or magazines one read when they had the time. She didn't have what it takes for the national spotlight.

425 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:14pm

re: #390 Lawrior

And paid off the girl, when she got older and sued.

426 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:18pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

[Video]
She's a joke.

About on par with Biden, IMO.

427 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:24pm

re: #397 Chekote

I made a statement of fact. This is not hate. For God's sake she couldn't even answer a simple question like "What do you read on a regular basis?". Honestly, do you think a man would get away with that? Or an average looking woman? No way.

I don't blame Palin for that. I don't get a newspaper delivered here. In fact my answer to "What do I read on a regular basis?" would be: LGF. Then Katies' head explodes.

428 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:35pm

re: #412 rwmofo

Hilary Clinton didn't make as exciting a story for the to write as Obama did, so they voted in their interests.

429 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:43pm

re: #384 Charles

I never post anything like this without having convincing proof to back it up.

A quality which I greatly appreciate, and a major reason why this is the only place I "hang out" at.

If I had any money, I'd be hitting your tip jar like it was a flaming snake that shoots lightning bolts from it's eyes.

430 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:43pm

them

431 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:45pm

re: #397 Chekote

I made a statement of fact. This is not hate. For God's sake she couldn't even answer a simple question like "What do you read on a regular basis?". Honestly, do you think a man would get away with that? Or an average looking woman? No way.

Huh? As I remember it, CBS News, the same organization which this blog gained recognition for debunking as totally in the tank for liberals, asked her if she read. How is that anything but an incredibly offensive question? It's like asking her just how stupid she really is. Did you really expect her to answer that? That's your proof for her being stupid? I'm sorry, when was the last time you were paid half a million dollars for a speech in Hong Kong?

432 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:53pm

re: #411 Racer X

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.


Laughter and fright sometimes look alike.

433 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:56:56pm

re: #418 Conservative Moonbat

Still Alive

434 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:07pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

[Video]
She's a joke.

That is one brutal video.

435 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:21pm

re: #417 The Shadow Do

Yes. Total crock. Her sky high approval numbers were due to a windfall tax on oil companies and giving all Alaskans and extra $2,000 check. Can you say "wealth redistribution"?

436 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:21pm

re: #411 Racer X

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.

She ran for VP and lost - get over it. Did the right continue to pick on Geraldine Ferraro?

Who is peeing themselves in fright? Seems most people are peeing themselves in laughter.

437 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:33pm

re: #411 Racer X

Ferraro had the dignity to disappear. Sarah hasn't afforded us that courtesy.

438 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:36pm

re: #417 The Shadow Do

It was very easy to buy into Palin. A woman who would take no shit, who would confront corruption, and who would advance conservatism.

Unfortunately, it was all a crock.

Damn sad, really.

The Dems kind of thought the same way about Howard Dean. But when he did the state-screaming thing... we're going to win PA, NY, OH... they knew it was time to say goodnight.

439 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:37pm

re: #398 The Shadow Do

Is he OK? Your husband that is.

Sounds very painful. Is there a name for this ailment?

He's fine. He even managed to laugh about it, later. Sort of.

Once I extracted him from the pretzel shape he'd worked himself into.

440 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:57:40pm

re: #411 Racer X

I still don't see why Palin makes people pee themselves in fright.

She ran for VP and lost - get over it. Did the right continue to pick on Geraldine Ferraro?

And one of the classiest things Palin did during her candidacy was to acknowledge Ferraro for having been there before. (To some groans from our side of the aisle, as I recall.)

441 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:58:15pm

re: #420 Flyers1974

Democrats never dreamed of her being the standard-bearer after she got trounced. The GOP re: Palin, most certainly do (did.)

I disagree - I think she is being propped up by the fringe. Bad move. Its a set up to get 4 more years.

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:58:36pm

re: #351 Racer X

Yes I find that interesting. Ask them what if Polanski was a Catholic priest? Still want leniency?

I think no one wants to open the closet to what was going on in Hollywood in the 70s. Remember, it was Jack Nicholson's house. No way this was the first time this had happened, either.

Unfortunately, I suspect it wasn't the last, either.

443 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:58:54pm

I said it - Conspiracy!

444 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:58:58pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

[Video]
She's a joke.

I watched the video and wondered, how on Earth could have anyone taken her seriously?

I remember LGF during the election. There was someone on here who continually referred to Palin as "Our Sarah," and criticism of Palin was met with hostility.

Now the tables have turned.

445 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:59:17pm

re: #419 bofhell

Arthur Clark, in his novel Imperial Earth posited a United States in the future led by a President that was chosen by computer for (a) their capability to handle the position and (b) their disdain for the position, with a term not to exceed 8 years but could be reduced for good performance!

It's like jury duty. Beware the ones who want to get on.

446 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 8:59:52pm

I think I said this before on some thread but I'll repeat.

The victimhood mentality does not suit conservatism. This is what Palin has been milking from day one.

It's not her fault she can't prepare for shit for debates and interviews. It's the tricksy media.

Why did she quit the governorship in the middle of a recession and in the middle of her term? The media was after her.

She has taken ZERO responsibilities for her actions. Nada.

But by all means, don't listen to me, I do this because I can't stand her beauty, intelligence, family, wit, etc etc etc.

Rant over.

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:00:44pm

re: #370 rollwave87

why does Sarah Palin elicit such hate in people? Seriously? What is it you people despise so much about her? Her looks, her family, her success, her intelligence?

She despises people like me and thinks we're not real Americans. The feeling's mutual.

448 rollwave87  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:00:47pm

Goodnight people. I still love this blog. At the very least, I'd rather debate the merits of Sarah Palin with y'all than anyone else.

449 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:00:48pm

Sarah Palin needs a teleprompter to give a speech on the white house lawn.

/no wait, that was Obama

450 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:00:50pm

I was in the gym earlier and saw Hannity interviewing James Traficant. The rerun is coming on now. I've got to go watch this. Never a dull moment with the former congressman. "Beam me up Mr. Speaker!"

451 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:00:50pm

re: #444 eclectic infidel

I watch TV daily and I wonder to myself, "how on Earth could anyone have taken him seriously?"

452 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:01:24pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

She despises people like me and thinks we're not real Americans. The feeling's mutual.

"What do you mean 'you people'?"

453 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:01:45pm

re: #409 Sharmuta

As a mother with little kids and a job like Governor, who would have thought less of her for not having much time to read newspapers? I think most working moms would have sympathized. But no- it was like a trick question to her. Unreal.

Sorry, Sharm. She took the gig. Unless she was a congenital idiot, she had to know what it would entail, (unless she was an idiot). This wasn't a sportscasting job on KFUK in Idaho. This wasn't a Governor's job with a population less than my home town of Austin. This was running for the VP where you would be one miocardial infarction away from the Oval, and running two foreign wars with a banking system meltdown in progress.

So did them McCain team, who I blame for the debacle, really make the gravity of the situation real to her? I suspect not.

454 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:00pm

re: #435 Chekote

Yes. Total crock. Her sky high approval numbers were due to a windfall tax on oil companies and giving all Alaskans and extra $2,000 check. Can you say "wealth redistribution"?

You just made an assumption that I don't necessarily agree with. What you said is easy to say. What you say is that folks are venal and/or stupid, and maybe they are. I don't know for sure.

455 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:08pm

I still see it as a wash guys.

Politics as usual. We all get screwed no matter who we elect.

456 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:13pm

I'm full, happy and sleepy. Good night, Lizards!

457 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:28pm

Going to go spend 15 minutes with the Male.

No explosions, all right?

458 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:30pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

Colin Powell mentioned that, too. "Weren't people from Brooklyn Americans?," he asked. It obviously stuck in his craw.

459 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:42pm

re: #307 Dianna

Dianna -

We agree that the "Big Quit" was at best - "Counter-Productive" - and IF I May Say So - Sloppy.
AND - let us think ahead to 2011/12.
Without "Positive" Polling under 30% - No Caucasian Democrat would DARE challenge Pres. Obama in a Primary - it would be political DEATH on the installment basis.
The real question will be - as it was in 1999/2000 - who will be the Republican Nominee. I see no heroes or heroines over the horizon except who we have unless Rubio beats Christ in the primaries and wins in the General. As they used to say in NASCAR - 'ya run what 'ya brung.

-S-

460 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:47pm

re: #448 rollwave87

Goodnight people. I still love this blog. At the very least, I'd rather debate the merits of Sarah Palin with y'all than anyone else.

That I'll upding. Thanks for the debate.

461 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:02:55pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

She He despises people like me and thinks we're not real Americans. The feeling's mutual.

Obama?

462 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:03:28pm

I don't hate Sarah Palin at all. I just think she wasted an incredible opportunity. And maybe part of the blame for that goes to the McCain camp who made her repeat the same speech over and over again in her early days as Veep candidate. If they wanted her to read a script, they should have given her a new script every day. But no. After the original splash during which she wowed everyone, they made her run with the exact same speech for a week. By day 2 it was old hat. By day 6 it was creepy.

463 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:03:50pm
464 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:04:22pm

re: #392 Emmmieg

quote from the article, from Mitterand:

"In the same way that there is a generous America that we like, there is also a scary America that has just shown its face," he said.

I would like to reply to that:

Yes, there is a scary America. Remember this, please. If you are a European who thinks grown men having sex with drugged-up 13 year-olds is acceptable, fear us, and stay away, and stay away from American girls.

Thank you.

Praise the Lord.

However, we play fair. If France would like to take a U.S. citizen who has raped a drugged-up thirteen year old in France, and put him away for all eternity, I say expedite extradite his ass.

465 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:04:39pm

re: #463 orbital

prepare the flounceapult

466 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:05:17pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Not me, I didn't vote. If I had it all to do over again I'd vote for Obama.

. I took care of that, I conned a conservative friend into covering your Obama vote. Actually, the Palin pick did it for her.

467 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:05:21pm

re: #463 orbital

Clarity: when you say "on to" what do you mean?

468 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:05:24pm

re: #453 austin_blue

Sorry, Sharm. She took the gig. Unless she was a congenital idiot, she had to know what it would entail, (unless she was an idiot). This wasn't a sportscasting job on KFUK in Idaho. This wasn't a Governor's job with a population less than my home town of Austin. This was running for the VP where you would be one miocardial infarction away from the Oval, and running two foreign wars with a banking system meltdown in progress.

So did them McCain team, who I blame for the debacle, really make the gravity of the situation real to her? I suspect not.

I'm not trying to make excuses for her bad answer- I was offering up a possible answer she could have given other than the one she did which might have come off better than, "Oh, I read whatever. We're not a foreign country, ya know".

I think it's widely accepted she wasn't prepared.

469 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:05:37pm

re: #465 SpaceJesus

Shouldn't we make sure it's safe first by testing it on a defenseless animal?

470 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:01pm

re: #463 orbital

Ok, I'll make it clear for you. Piss off.

471 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:18pm

re: #463 orbital

And don't forget condemning Roman Polanski, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and others worthy of condemnation.

472 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:27pm

re: #469 Lawrior

Shouldn't we make sure it's safe first by testing it on a defenseless animal?

Well, I just so happen to have this pile of Sarah Palin books lying around...

473 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:34pm

re: #462 Mich-again

Ultimately the blame falls on McCain. He never should have nominated her for the VP slot. She's an idiot and he couldn't manage her. It was a disaster on so many levels.

474 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:36pm

re: #462 Mich-again

I don't hate Sarah Palin at all. I just think she wasted an incredible opportunity. And maybe part of the blame for that goes to the McCain camp who made her repeat the same speech over and over again in her early days as Veep candidate. If they wanted her to read a script, they should have given her a new script every day. But no. After the original splash during which she wowed everyone, they made her run with the exact same speech for a week. By day 2 it was old hat. By day 6 it was creepy.

Upding.

Sarah Palin is like the pretty 6 year old being dragged to the beauty pageants. She was not ready, yet everyone told her she was. And she believed them, and unfortunately still does. Sad in a way.

I do not understand the sheer meanness towards her.

475 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:38pm

re: #463 orbital

Would you voluntarily associate your self with a known bigot? If not, why not? What do you think of people who do? Please explain yourself.

476 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #444 eclectic infidel

When I watched the SNL skits, I was rolling on the floor. It was a guilty pleasure. (My bad.) But SNL was brutalized by the right wing for its "unfair" portrayal. Never mind they buried her with her own repertoire of gaffes.

477 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #468 Sharmuta

Wasn't it also widely accepted that the McCain camp had a very tight leash on her during that stupid interview?

478 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:06:55pm

Sigh. Well, hopefully Palin and Santorum (you have got to be kidding me...) will split the fundie vote so a sane person can win the GOP nomination.

I had defended Palin up until this point, even though I said her resigning her Governor position would keep me from voting for her ever again, but using this kind of ghostwriter ...

oh well.

479 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:07:01pm

re: #472 SpaceJesus

Oh, you sad bastard.

480 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:07:48pm

re: #472 SpaceJesus

LOL

481 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:08:16pm

re: #475 austin_blue

Oops. You quoted unwisely.

482 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:08:50pm

re: #431 rollwave87

Huh? As I remember it, CBS News, the same organization which this blog gained recognition for debunking as totally in the tank for liberals, asked her if she read. How is that anything but an incredibly offensive question? It's like asking her just how stupid she really is. Did you really expect her to answer that? That's your proof for her being stupid? I'm sorry, when was the last time you were paid half a million dollars for a speech in Hong Kong?

Watch the video Kilgore linked above, she wasn't asked "if she read" she was asked to specify what she read. Please keep your facts straight.

483 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #380 Racer X

Everyone made this into a choice between Obama and Palin. I never saw it that way at all.

Palin vs. Biden was the choice. We knew what to expect for ol' Joe and he has not let us down. We expected more from Palin thats for sure, but I still think she would have been just fine as VP. Prez? Not so much.

Biden as prez? Shudder.

RacerX -

Look at it this way - Joe Biden and John McCain were effectively "contemporaries" - as were Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. Had they faced each other directly - "do the math."

-S-

484 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:08:57pm

re: #474 Racer X

Agreeed. Merely acting like a fool in public didn't rate what she got. Sadly, she did nothing to help herself.
/No, stupid, dig up.

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:12pm

re: #452 ArchangelMichael

"What do you mean 'you people'?"

Chardonnay swilling elitists with no values who live in gated communities in dense urban areas.

/Only a little

486 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:14pm

re: #474 Racer X

Upding.

Sarah Palin is like the pretty 6 year old being dragged to the beauty pageants. She was not ready, yet everyone told her she was. And she believed them, and unfortunately still does. Sad in a way.

I do not understand the sheer meanness towards her.

Who is being mean?

487 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:16pm

re: #451 TheMatrix31

I watch TV daily and I wonder to myself, "how on Earth could anyone have taken him seriously?"

I understand. I really do. In comparison though, Palin didn't have what it took and Obama did. That said, I am continually watching and reading with dismay concerning Obama's confusing policies towards Israel. No doubt (in retrospect), McCain would have provided stronger support for the small nation - but during the election period, Palin was a deal breaker. Hands down.

488 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:29pm

re: #470 Charles

Ok, I'll make it clear for you. Piss off.



Oops. He pissed me off. I responded too soon. Sorry, my man.

489 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:37pm

re: #478 funky chicken

Sigh. Well, hopefully Palin and Santorum (you have got to be kidding me...) will split the fundie vote so a sane person can win the GOP nomination.

I had defended Palin up until this point, even though I said her resigning her Governor position would keep me from voting for her ever again, but using this kind of ghostwriter ...

oh well.

At this point, all of the GOP presidential hopefuls are far right religious fanatics, except possibly Mitt Romney -- and he's pandering to them.

The only people who aren't fanatics have been driven out and labeled heretics -- for example, Jon Huntsman Jr.

490 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:39pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

[Video]

She's a joke.

"The 'Bush Doctrine'? You mean his worldview?"

Yep, she could now be going toe-to-toe with Dinnerjacket. There's a thought to make strong men go weak in the knees...

491 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:09:47pm

re: #472 SpaceJesus

Well, I just so happen to have this pile of Sarah Palin books lying around...

It's a RARE day, that I upding spacejesus.
DANG! Did it again!
(No, no fever, I checked!)

Very funny SJ.

492 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:10:09pm

re: #441 Racer X

I disagree - I think she is being propped up by the fringe. Bad move. Its a set up to get 4 more years.

Maybe, but I can't remember any politician in modern US politics who had won the loyalty of the ...I would say "base" as opposed to fringe,,, as Palin did. With Obama, for example the loyalty wasn't deep and can be explained: Who really loved Obama? Blacks for obvious historical reasons, and "elite" university types - because they spoke the same language. But how many of those elites are there? As far as four more years, who knows? Obama may go up and down ten times between now and 2012. I think as usual, the economy will answer this question.

493 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:10:44pm

re: #486 Sharmuta

Who is being mean?

You're kidding right?

494 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:11:46pm

re: #473 Killgore Trout

Ultimately the blame falls on McCain. He never should have nominated her for the VP slot. She's an idiot and he couldn't manage her. It was a disaster on so many levels.

He should have chosen Rudy, but remember he was trying to placate the Ingraham/Malkin contingent. They demanded a hard core pro-lifer, so he chose Palin.

And to thank him for choosing exactly the kind of person they wanted, they still slammed him up until the election and frequently since then as well.

495 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:12:12pm

re: #491 Floral Giraffe

It's a RARE day, that I upding spacejesus.
DANG! Did it again!
(No, no fever, I checked!)

Very funny SJ.

I've been updinging SJ more and more. He's very funny when he mocks flouncers.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:12:19pm

re: #458 theheat

Colin Powell mentioned that, too. "Weren't people from Brooklyn Americans?," he asked. It obviously stuck in his craw.

The small-town thing got pointed very fast.

"We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

'Cause in blue-state urban sprawl we hate America, and sit around eating chocolates all day./

497 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:12:22pm

re: #489 Charles

When pandering to fanatics people often forget...they're friggin fanatics.
They will turn on Romney easily, like they did before.

498 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:12:30pm

re: #492 Flyers1974


Maybe, but I can't remember any politician in modern US politics who had won the loyalty of the ...I would say "base" as opposed to fringe,,, as Palin did.


This might explain some of the intensity of feeling about Palin. Emotional connections with politicians can be dangerous for a country.

499 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:13:10pm

re: #490 Cato the Elder

"The 'Bush Doctrine'? You mean his worldview?"

Yep, she could now be going toe-to-toe with Dinnerjacket. There's a thought to make strong men go weak in the knees...

Heh. Like Joe Biden could go toe-to-toe with short shit.

"Ya wanna ride in my Trans Am?"

500 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:13:46pm

re: #494 funky chicken

He should have chosen Rudy, but remember he was trying to placate the Ingraham/Malkin contingent. They demanded a hard core pro-lifer, so he chose Palin.

And to thank him for choosing exactly the kind of person they wanted, they still slammed him up until the election and frequently since then as well.

The GOP is well on there way to repeat that. Ingraham and Malkin didn't even support McCain until the very last minute and it was feeble at best.

501 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:13:47pm

re: #499 Racer X

Maybe he can just divide Iran into three regions?!

/

502 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:13:52pm

re: #473 Killgore Trout

You are right. McCain is ultimately at fault. All his people were concerned about was the fact that the base wasn't showing up at his rallies. He wanted a successful convention. Never mind worrying about governance. Let's see if we can get a crowd. He should have picked Giuliani, Ridge, Liberman. Somebody serious.

503 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:07pm

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:12pm

re: #461 Racer X

Obama?

You know that surety a lot of people round here have that Obama has contempt for everything about them? I feel that with Palin. Not McCain, not with any other Republican contender. But from Palin it came loud and clear. "You are not part of MY America."

505 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:38pm

re: #489 Charles

At this point, all of the GOP presidential hopefuls are far right religious fanatics, except possibly Mitt Romney -- and he's pandering to them.

The only people who aren't fanatics have been driven out and labeled heretics -- for example, Jon Huntsman Jr.

Well, Romney was popular in Massachusetts, but he did it by pandering somewhat to the liberals.

It's hard to tell exactly what his opinions are, but my guess is he is just pandering to the far right. In his time in Mass, no one ever said he was a fundamentalist.

Of all the likely candidates, he seems the sanest - and I'm not a big fan of his, but compared with the other choices,

506 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:41pm

Newsmax is going all Glenn Beck at the moment.

Crazy. Now where do you look (besides here) for a quick peek at the news in some sort of approximately even way?

Gotta conk out soon...

will look tomorrow morning too, if anyone has a suggestion.

507 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:42pm

re: #490 Cato the Elder

"The 'Bush Doctrine'? You mean his worldview?"

Yep, she could now be going toe-to-toe with Dinnerjacket. There's a thought to make strong men go weak in the knees...

Cato the Elder -

Think before you respond - are you saying you Prefer Pres. Obama going toe to toe with "I'm In The Mood For Jihad?" - Just Asking.

-S-

508 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:14:46pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?


i took the negative karma for your sins. for sins of the world.

509 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:06pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

He says things sometimes like "we should sell the South to China for $4."

510 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:23pm

Crazy James Traficant is on Hannity right now if you want to see it.

511 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:37pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

He wasn't as funny when he started, but he's getting better.

512 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:47pm

re: #500 Gus 802

The GOP is well on there way to repeat that. Ingraham and Malkin didn't even support McCain until the very last minute and it was feeble at best.

Malkin never did, actually.

513 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:55pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

He acts like an asshole sometimes. When he mocks people here, or paints wit too broad a brush, we downding him.

514 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:15:57pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

You know that surety a lot of people round here have that Obama has contempt for everything about them? I feel that with Palin. Not McCain, not with any other Republican contender. But from Palin it came loud and clear. "You are not part of MY America."

I know what you mean - I get that from Obama too.

515 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:16:09pm

re: #506 Ojoe

Newsmax is going all Glenn Beck at the moment.

Crazy. Now where do you look (besides here) for a quick peek at the news in some sort of approximately even way?

Gotta conk out soon...

will look tomorrow morning too, if anyone has a suggestion.

Since when is Newsmax considered "even?" They're only slightly less crazy than Weird Nut Drooly.

516 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:16:11pm

re: #509 Sharmuta

He says things sometimes like "we should sell the South to China for $4."

yeah, not very many people thought that was funny for some reason

517 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:16:21pm

I read somewhere that Santorum asked people to pray so that God would tell him whether to run for POTUS. Hopefully, God's answer will be "NO!"

518 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:16:27pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

"Kittens give Morbo gas."

(Futurama)

519 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:23pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

Sometimes he says shit that pisses people off.

Some of it is because some people don't care for his choice of Spanish nic.

520 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:24pm

And I'm done defending Sara P.

521 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:26pm

re: #512 funky chicken

Malkin never did, actually.

Oh. Guess I was mistaken. By then I already stopped reading Malkin. Her McCain derangement was bordering on the pathological. Also, I do remember that McCain had Malkin on her blog roll. Amazing isn't it?

522 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:33pm

re: #516 SpaceJesus

Chinese is teh hard.

523 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:34pm

re: #508 SpaceJesus

Not quite, but it was a good try...

524 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:35pm

re: #517 Chekote

I read somewhere that Santorum asked people to pray so that God would tell him whether to run for POTUS. Hopefully, God's answer will be "NO!"

Another name for people who think God is going to talk directly to them is "schizophrenic."

525 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:42pm

re: #493 Racer X

You're kidding right?

No- I'm not kidding. Some folks here might be brutally honest in their criticisms, but I stepped out for a few expecting to see some raging misogyny and I didn't. What I'm seeing is bluntness. Most lizards don't hate her- we're no longer supportive of her, and those lizards we know from the past have been... over the top in their criticisms have been much more moderate in their rhetoric tonight, so... who is being mean?

526 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:17:58pm

re: #506 Ojoe

Newsmax is going all Glenn Beck at the moment.

Crazy. Now where do you look (besides here) for a quick peek at the news in some sort of approximately even way?

Gotta conk out soon...

will look tomorrow morning too, if anyone has a suggestion.

msnbc.com, believe it or not. I don't like their pundits, but their website is quite good.

527 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #515 Charles

Newsmax was obviously better than WND for a while there, & the BBC was nuts also, and the local radio where I live in the boonies either is AM fading in and out, or NPR with Pacifica as a 2 hour guest every day.

It's slim pickings.

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:18:38pm

re: #503 erraticsphinx

Why does SpaceJesus have such negative karma? Does he eat kittens or something on the side?

You ever see League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? SpaceJesus is...complicated.

529 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:18:53pm

re: #517 Chekote

I usually consult with my dog on matters of such importance. It's amazing what a dog will tell you. But only I can hear her.

It's the weirdest thing.

530 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:19:00pm

Time for some sleeps here, night all

531 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:19:16pm

re: #526 funky chicken

Thank you, I will check them out.

Good night all.

532 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:19:23pm

re: #507 Dr. Shalit

Cato the Elder -

Think before you respond - are you saying you Prefer Pres. Obama going toe to toe with "I'm In The Mood For Jihad?" - Just Asking.

-S-

Yes. I had no need to think about that at all.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:19:30pm

re: #507 Dr. Shalit

Cato the Elder -

Think before you respond - are you saying you Prefer Pres. Obama going toe to toe with "I'm In The Mood For Jihad?" - Just Asking.

-S-

McCain would do fine with Dinnerjacket. But Palin...Jesus! No!

534 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:19:30pm

bed time! sleep well :-)

535 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:20:13pm

re: #515 Charles

Since when is Newsmax considered "even?" They're only slightly less crazy than Weird Nut Drooly.

re: #515 Charles

Since when is Newsmax considered "even?" They're only slightly less crazy than Weird Nut Drooly.

And Human Events. They have an article in there now called, Congress’s Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare.

Right, a sekrit plan.

536 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:20:19pm

re: #517 Chekote

wait,wait,wait...god "talks"to this loon?talks to him...OOOHH-KAAAY
presidential timber i say!

537 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:20:27pm

re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist

You ever see League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? SpaceJesus is...complicated.

Yes, but he's our Space Jesus.

(Can't believe I just said that.)

538 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:20:39pm

Wuzzup lizards. Here for the crazy check: yep, still crazy out there.

No tsunami today, gotta say it was a good day.

539 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:01pm

re: #513 Dark_Falcon

He acts like an asshole sometimes. When he mocks people here, or paints wit too broad a brush, we downding him.

He's at his best over at 2 when he mocks them in their own house.

540 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:06pm

re: #538 BigPapa

Wuzzup lizards. Here for the crazy check: yep, still crazy out there.

No tsunami today, gotta say it was a good day.

Yes, any day that thousands of people don't die because of an errant twist of nature is good.

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:11pm

re: #514 Racer X

I know what you mean - I get that from Obama too.

So you get how bloody annoying they are!

542 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:24pm

re: #509 Sharmuta

He says things sometimes like "we should sell the South to China for $4."

Lord help me, I laughed. I imagine SJ's voice as being like Steven Wright's. He reminds me of some of my Very Internet friends who frequent 4chan and Something Awful, who are all cut from the "evil comedian" cloth.

543 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:34pm

re: #525 Sharmuta

Ludvig, for one, saying that she couldn't construct a 10 page paper.

That's just stupid and irrelevant.

544 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:35pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

He's at his best over at 2 when he mocks them in their own house.

True that.

545 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:48pm

re: #516 SpaceJesus

yeah, not very many people thought that was funny for some reason

Dude- you were once pushing -2000. You've come a long way, Baby.

546 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:21:57pm

re: #524 Charles

Charles, Charles...don't you know that God works in mysterious ways? I am sure that Santorum's answer will come in the form of campaign contributions. Probably, from the same people he asked to pray. See how it works?

547 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:22:04pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

It would have been rape even had she been an adult. From what I've read, it sounds as though her mother should have done some time too.

The Swiss have gone up a few notches in my esteem. Good collar.

I agree about the mom too. She had her daughter do a photo shoot twice without staying with her. The fact that the daughter had already had sex, been drunk and tried drugs at 13 before even meeting the pervert does not give me a warm feeling about her parenting skills. It reminded me of the parents that left their kids with Micheal Jackson.

548 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:22:14pm

Notice how quickly that NEA OUTRAGE! died away?

The Crying Wolf Strategy is starting to backfire on the right wing.

549 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:22:21pm

re: #537 Emmmieg

Yes, but he's our Space Jesus.

(Can't believe I just said that.)

Is he mellowing, or are WE?
He is growing on me.
Especially since he goes to the deuce to torture them.

550 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:22:37pm

re: #422 Mich-again

That's my point. By ' stoopit' I don't mean that it's stupid to use .. I mean it doesn't try to think or circumvent what you put into it. It's the only search engine I use.
I was replying to a poster who complained that her ' google fu ' was not great, and trying to make it easier for her to use.

551 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:22:52pm

BBIAB. The girlfriend is on the phone after finally leaving the Night Ranger & world's best Journey cover band show.
/hooray for relationship, boo to long-distance

552 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:23:09pm
553 JRCMYP  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:23:28pm

The people who would actually pull the lever and vote for Palin in 2012 will probably appreciate that her book was co-written by someone similar in mindset to them.

I've always thought Sarah Palin was an opportunist and a lightweight. I'm not sure how anyone can think otherwise? I've never heard her make one positive federal policy statement. I have no evidence to support my thoughts on this, but I think her husband crafted the pipeline deal. I was perfectly willing to believe that she actually had a brain but the longer she sticks around, the more I think she and her brain have never been properly introduced. Her schtick is to criticize but offer no solutions. And if you think the WSJ article was written by her, I'm stunned. She is completely unable to discuss issues by drawing on her own thoughts, opinions or general common knowledge. It's why she refuses to take questions without them being pre-approved (i.e. Hong Kong).

Honestly, I think she's kinda crazy. And she's getting crazier. I was so pissed when she brought up the whole "death panels" thing. If she and all the crazy people out there want to ensure that the US gets some screwed-up bill filled with "unintended consequences" then by all means, throw a red herring out there in order to keep your name in the press. But if you actually want to have a debate about what is actually IN the bill (or bills, etc.) then how about bringing up all the dry boring issues that are REAL but will have REAL consequences so we don't have another disaster like the CPSIA. I'm not opposed to the idea of health care reform, but if we only have morons yelling "death panels!" at town hall meetings, then we are going to get a stupid bill because Americans are behaving like freaking Sarah Palin--stupid.

She's not interested in helping The People. She's interested in helping herself.

Rant over. Carry on.

554 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:24:03pm

re: #542 WindUpBird

Lord help me, I laughed. I imagine SJ's voice as being like Steven Wright's. He reminds me of some of my Very Internet friends who frequent 4chan and Something Awful, who are all cut from the "evil comedian" cloth.


I used to love the SA forums. Wonder if it's any good still.

555 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:24:14pm

re: #548 Charles

There's not enough adrenaline to keep that strategy going.

556 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:24:36pm

re: #498 jaunte

This might explain some of the intensity of feeling about Palin. Emotional connections with politicians can be dangerous for a country.

I think there is more to this story than I can figure out. Why would Palin elicite this emotion as opposed to Newt Gingrich, or John Kerry for the Dems? There was a convergence of things here, I think. Maybe blogs, plus anger plus her image, i.e., "outsider" and the belief that she was the next Reagan. I'm sure some sociologist or political scientist or somebody will write a book on this and try to explain.

557 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:24:47pm

re: #543 TheMatrix31

Ludvig, for one, saying that she couldn't construct a 10 page paper.

That's just stupid and irrelevant.

Well I thought my response to that was funny and relevant at least.

558 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:24:53pm
The people who would actually pull the lever and vote for Palin in 2012 will probably appreciate that her book was co-written by someone similar in mindset to them.

Are you actually fucking saying that all those who support/ed Palin are white supremacists?!

WOW. Unfuckingbelievable.

559 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:25:07pm

re: #522 jaunte

Chinese is teh hard.

Aside from being tonal, using an ideograph system rather than an alphabet, and having almost no cognates with English, it does have the advantage of not having gendered nouns, or much in the way of verb tenses, or subject-verb agreement (same verb, no matter if you're talking wo, ni, or ta --or women, nimen, or tamen, for that matter).

560 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:25:26pm

re: #545 Sharmuta

Dude- you were once pushing -2000. You've come a long way, Baby.

They say that you can get used to anything.

561 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:25:35pm

Flounce readings are still high.

562 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:25:38pm

re: #538 BigPapa

gotta say it was a good day.

You know, there is actually an online test to determine whether or not today was a good day.

563 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:25:50pm

re: #510 NJDhockeyfan

Crazy James Traficant is on Hannity right now if you want to see it.

I just un-snapped my seat-belt. He said Israel controls our congress?

I didn't know what to expect and he came through.

564 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:26:31pm

re: #473 Killgore Trout

If it had Been McCain-Ridge I'd have voted for it.

Now one of my favorite Republican politicians, Charlie Christ, has become persona non grata when he was considered presidential material a couple years ago.

I blame the club for growth more than anything.

565 swamprat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:26:32pm

Seems like a lot of fuss over an ignorant, creationist quitter.
My, my, my.

566 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:26:46pm

re: #351 Racer X

Yes I find that interesting. Ask them what if Polanski was a Catholic priest? Still want leniency?

It's part of the celebrity mentality, the rules of decent behavior don't apply to them. Polanski was well known around town for liking under aged girls, and no one cared.

567 erraticsphinx  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:26:54pm

re: #554 SpaceJesus

How does it feel to be an "evil comedian"?
Do you ever long for the days when you're like...I wish I didn't have to be funny. Why am I like this?
Will I ever find true love?
What is the meaning of life?

I'm curious.

568 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:27:06pm

re: #563 rwmofo

give me that good old "zionist world wide conspiracy"every time!

569 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:27:21pm

re: #554 SpaceJesus

I used to love the SA forums. Wonder if it's any good still.

W/O Cliff Yablonski, it's just not the same.

The $4 for the South to China was quite funny, and I recently lol'd over it (just minutes ago).

570 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:27:21pm

re: #547 avanti

I'm late in the game here - maybe one benefit of not watching TV. What's up with Roman Polanski? I know about the rape, but why are we hearing about him today, what did I miss?

571 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:27:36pm

re: #559 Dar ul Harb

I think people from the South might have a tough time with the tonal aspect.

572 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:28:15pm

re: #566 avanti

Thats because "artists are...special.


spit

573 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:28:27pm

re: #564 Conservative Moonbat

Do you mean "Crist"? I hope you do, because I cannot remember any politician surnamed "Christ."

574 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:28:27pm

#532 Cato the Elder & #533 SanFransicoZionist -

Thank you both for your honest answers. Let us respectfully agree to disagree on this point. That is all.

-S-

575 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:28:43pm

re: #565 swamprat

Seems like a lot of fuss over an ignorant, creationist quitter.
My, my, my.

Well- there are a lot of people who are currently pushing the moderates in the party out who are fully pushing Palin as the future of the party. That doesn't bode any better for her than does having friends of Stacy McCain write her book.

576 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:29:20pm

re: #492 Flyers1974

Maybe, but I can't remember any politician in modern US politics who had won the loyalty of the ...I would say "base" as opposed to fringe,,, as Palin did. With Obama, for example the loyalty wasn't deep and can be explained: Who really loved Obama? Blacks for obvious historical reasons, and "elite" university types - because they spoke the same language. But how many of those elites are there? As far as four more years, who knows? Obama may go up and down ten times between now and 2012. I think as usual, the economy will answer this question.


Well, that is as subtly a racist a post as I have seen a long time. Obama didn't carry Indiana, Virginia, and freaking North Carolina without the white non-egghead vote. Epic fail.

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:30:10pm

re: #568 Boondock St. Bender

give me that good old "zionist world wide conspiracy"every time!

And you'll get it. Every time.

578 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:30:17pm

re: #568 Boondock St. Bender

give me that good old "zionist world wide conspiracy"every time!

Traficant also has a new toupee. Still looks kinda like a run-over raccoon though.

579 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:30:33pm

re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth

You know, there is actually an online test to determine whether or not today was a good day.

If I make it to bed, it was a good day. If I wake up in the morning, it was a good night. I am a man of simple things these days.

580 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:30:49pm

re: #509 Sharmuta

He says things sometimes like "we should sell the South to China for $4."

I think we should give Florida to Cuba for free because the whole fucking state is an armpit.

Do I get downdinged for that?

581 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:30:54pm

re: #570 Flyers1974

I'm late in the game here - maybe one benefit of not watching TV. What's up with Roman Polanski? I know about the rape, but why are we hearing about him today, what did I miss?

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

582 rwmofo  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:31:45pm

re: #570 Flyers1974

I'm late in the game here - maybe one benefit of not watching TV. What's up with Roman Polanski? I know about the rape, but why are we hearing about him today, what did I miss?

He got arrested when he went to Switzerland over the weekend - for the 70s rape charge.

583 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:31:53pm

re: #577 SanFranciscoZionist

sadly enough yeah we probably will.
on the plus side,more are openly laughing at the loons who bring it up.

584 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:32:00pm

re: #570 Flyers1974

I'm late in the game here - maybe one benefit of not watching TV. What's up with Roman Polanski? I know about the rape, but why are we hearing about him today, what did I miss?

Nothing has changed, it is simply that people with too much public attention and not enough ethical sense are insisting he be freed.

585 Chekote  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:32:01pm

I don't believe Palin wants to run for office. She quit her job so that she could finish her book fast while she is still a celebrity. She wants to cash in. Which is fine. I just wish she would have spared us the "lame duck is a waste of time nonsense".

586 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:32:34pm

re: #571 jaunte

I think people from the South might have a tough time with the tonal aspect.

Everybody, including the Chinese, do.

587 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:33:03pm

re: #581 Dianna

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

Woody Allen is cut from the same cloth, and I barely know who Lynch is.

Whoopi has lost her damn mind. What is 'rape-rape' if drugging a thirteen-year-old and having sex with her after she says no doesn't qualify?

588 medaura18586  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:33:27pm

Woah, I just saw this and unfortunately I must go to bed. But this is disgraceful, and even as no lows could turn out too low from Sarah Palin as far as I'm concerned,.. I'm still shocked and appalled. Ghost writing is unethical to begin with,.. but to choose this person to do your bidding for you? Sarah, you were a bigger ditz than I had realized.

589 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:33:31pm
590 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:33:36pm

re: #581 Dianna

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

Whoopi Goldberg is Sarah Palin with half her brain removed.

591 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:34:07pm

re: #581 Dianna

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

Well, I can understand Woody Allen supporting him, not that I agree.
Scumbag short eyes stick together.

592 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:34:17pm

re: #581 Dianna

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

Thankfully, for once the LA County DA isn't listening to Hollywood. The people who are charged with upholding the law seem intent to do their jobs. And that is a Good Thing.

593 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:34:31pm

re: #573 Dianna

Do you mean "Crist"? I hope you do, because I cannot remember any politician surnamed "Christ."

heh, yeah,

You know this Budweiser American Ale is pretty good stuff. You'd never know it was Budweiser without reading the label.

594 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:34:41pm

re: #576 austin_blue

Well, that is as subtly a racist a post as I have seen a long time. Obama didn't carry Indiana, Virginia, and freaking North Carolina without the white non-egghead vote. Epic fail.

Sorry, epic fail was in your lack of comprehension of my comment. Of course he needed those votes to win. The question was one of enthusiasm - as evidenced today by his numbers having come down to earth.

595 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #580 Conservative Moonbat

Did you want one?

596 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:35:02pm

re: #581 Dianna

The Swiss are deporting him to us; Woody Allen, David Lynch and some other director expressed the hope he'd be allowed to go free; Whoopi Goldberg took leave of her senses and said what Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"...the list goes on.

It's pretty scary.

Is that confirmed, that the Swiss are handing him over to the US? I was under the impression he is going to fight extradition tooth and nail, so it is less than certain he'll be back in the USSA (sic -- but that was a great Elton John tour) anytime soon.

597 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:35:11pm

re: #564 Conservative Moonbat

OK "C-M" -

Christ HAS been a pretty good Governor, no doubt. Now, pray tell, what is the matter with Rubio? - too soon? - I will accept that. Can all'y'all come up with another reason?

-S-

598 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:35:20pm

re: #585 Chekote

I don't believe Palin wants to run for office. She quit her job so that she could finish her book fast while she is still a celebrity. She wants to cash in. Which is fine. I just wish she would have spared us the "lame duck is a waste of time nonsense".

599 jvic  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #556 Flyers1974

I think there is more to this story than I can figure out. Why would Palin elicite this emotion as opposed to Newt Gingrich, or John Kerry for the Dems? There was a convergence of things here, I think. Maybe blogs, plus anger plus her image, i.e., "outsider" and the belief that she was the next Reagan. I'm sure some sociologist or political scientist or somebody will write a book on this and try to explain.

I'll take a stab.

People were hungry for someone who could restore the Reagan coalition, and Palin seemed to fill the need.

The theocratic right wanted somebody who could restore the Reagan coalition, but with themselves in charge. They hoped that Palin might succeed where George Bush had failed (not that they'd ever acknowledge that).

Meanwhile, the Left fears that someone could restore an updated Reagan coalition.

600 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:36:02pm

re: #585 Chekote

If I was in her shoes, being what she is, I'd do the same. She's going to make a buttload of money, probably get a radio gig or talk show, and laugh all the way to the bank. She could be the next Beck or Limbaugh.

From a cash standpoint, it's all good.

601 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:36:18pm

re: #584 bofhell

Nothing has changed, it is simply that people with too much public attention and not enough ethical sense are insisting he be freed.

I didn't know he was in incarcerated to begin with. When did this happen?

602 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #588 medaura18586

LOL. I was just going to comment, "I wonder how Kejda would weigh in on this. I know she was never a Palin fan."

603 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:36:49pm

re: #594 Flyers1974

did you mean that there was a"lets get on the bandwagon!"or "lets be part of history!"sort of vibe?

604 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:37:46pm

re: #601 Flyers1974

I didn't know he was in incarcerated to begin with. When did this happen?

Over the weekend. He was on his way to a film festival. The Swiss Police were waiting for him when he got off the plane.

605 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:37:47pm

re: #601 Flyers1974

I didn't know he was in incarcerated to begin with. When did this happen?

Here, it's not hard to google some info...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

606 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:38:40pm

re: #599 jvic

I'll take a stab.

People were hungry for someone who could restore the Reagan coalition, and Palin seemed to fill the need.

The theocratic right wanted somebody who could restore the Reagan coalition, but with themselves in charge. They hoped that Palin might succeed where George Bush had failed (not that they'd ever acknowledge that).

Meanwhile, the Left fears that someone could restore an updated Reagan coalition.

That was my thought exactly when McCain picked her. That she could be the next Reagan.

607 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:39:15pm

re: #601 Flyers1974

I didn't know he was in incarcerated to begin with. When did this happen?

Saturday. He was arrested on arrival at Zurich's airport, where he was to be honored at the Zurich Film Festival.

608 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:40:03pm

re: #596 bofhell

It's not a done deal. He's (shock) fighting extradition, egged on by a legion of cheering Hollywood A- holes listers and most of France.

609 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:40:40pm

re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist

Woody Allen is cut from the same cloth, and I barely know who Lynch is.

Whoopi has lost her damn mind. What is 'rape-rape' if drugging a thirteen-year-old and having sex with her after she says no doesn't qualify?

David Lynch is the man who directed the theatrical release of Dune. He was also guilty of Blue Velvet, and a TV show, the name of which will not come to me at present. It had an intro featuring a sawmill, if that helps.

Whoopi...I have no idea what to say.

But hell, look up what Avanti was saying this afternoon while pretending to be a legal expert. It tended to produce some...irate? yes, that's a good word...responses.

610 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #570 Flyers1974

I'm late in the game here - maybe one benefit of not watching TV. What's up with Roman Polanski? I know about the rape, but why are we hearing about him today, what did I miss?

He's being held by the Swiss, future still in doubt. Based on his recent attempts to get the conviction set aside for judicial misconduct, it's not impossible he'll get off with time served as per the original plea deal, or a get light sentence if he goes before a judge. We may not like it, but that is the general buzz especially since the victim says she never wanted him to go to jail from day one, and now wants it all to go away.
It would not be the first time a celebrity raped a child, paid out some money and walked, different rules than for regular folks.

611 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:41:26pm

re: #609 Dianna

David Lynch is the man who directed the theatrical release of Dune. He was also guilty of Blue Velvet, and a TV show, the name of which will not come to me at present. It had an intro featuring a sawmill, if that helps.

Whoopi...I have no idea what to say.

But hell, look up what Avanti was saying this afternoon while pretending to be a legal expert. It tended to produce some...irate? yes, that's a good word...responses.

Pin Tweaks as we liked to call it. [aka Twin Peaks]

612 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:41:51pm

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

Over the weekend. He was on his way to a film festival. The Swiss Police were waiting for him when he got off the plane.

I had no clue about this.

613 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:42:46pm

re: #610 avanti

He's being held by the Swiss, future still in doubt. Based on his recent attempts to get the conviction set aside for judicial misconduct, it's not impossible he'll get off with time served as per the original plea deal, or a get light sentence if he goes before a judge. We may not like it, but that is the general buzz especially since the victim says she never wanted him to go to jail from day one, and now wants it all to go away.
It would not be the first time a celebrity raped a child, paid out some money and walked, different rules than for regular folks.

Thank you Perry Mason.

614 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:42:47pm

re: #596 bofhell

Is that confirmed, that the Swiss are handing him over to the US? I was under the impression he is going to fight extradition tooth and nail, so it is less than certain he'll be back in the USSA (sic -- but that was a great Elton John tour) anytime soon.

I honestly thought from the article I read this afternoon that it was a done deal.

615 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:42:51pm

re: #594 Flyers1974

Sorry, epic fail was in your lack of comprehension of my comment. Of course he needed those votes to win. The question was one of enthusiasm - as evidenced today by his numbers having come down to earth.

Here's your post:

re: #492 Flyers1974

Maybe, but I can't remember any politician in modern US politics who had won the loyalty of the ...I would say "base" as opposed to fringe,,, as Palin did. With Obama, for example the loyalty wasn't deep and can be explained: Who really loved Obama? Blacks for obvious historical reasons, and "elite" university types - because they spoke the same language. But how many of those elites are there? As far as four more years, who knows? Obama may go up and down ten times between now and 2012. I think as usual, the economy will answer this question.

You claim he won because of...what? Blacks and eggheads. This is plainly what you postulate. Sorry dude, the demographic was much more widespread. Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina. Unless you would suggest a different dynamic? No? Crickets?

616 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:42:54pm

re: #589 Racer X

See also...
Hard knock life

617 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:42:55pm

re: #580 Conservative Moonbat

Only if you first exclude the Beaches of South Walton from that description. The rest of the state, you can toss.

618 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:43:12pm

re: #608 tradewind

It's not a done deal. He's (shock) fighting extradition, egged on by a legion of cheering Hollywood A- holes listers and most of France.

That is what I had thought. And here the French did so well in electing Sarkozy. Well, two steps forward, one step back.

619 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:43:16pm

re: #610 avanti

He's being held by the Swiss, future still in doubt. Based on his recent attempts to get the conviction set aside for judicial misconduct, it's not impossible he'll get off with time served as per the original plea deal, or a get light sentence if he goes before a judge. We may not like it, but that is the general buzz especially since the victim says she never wanted him to go to jail from day one, and now wants it all to go away.
It would not be the first time a celebrity raped a child, paid out some money and walked, different rules than for regular folks.

Don't believe the hype, from what I understand the DA wants to make sure the man does hard time.

620 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:43:29pm

OT--my baby sister managed a minor repair on her car today all by herself.

You go little sister!

621 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:43:37pm
622 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:43:45pm

re: #609 Dianna

David Lynch is the man who directed the theatrical release of Dune. He was also guilty of Blue Velvet, and a TV show, the name of which will not come to me at present. It had an intro featuring a sawmill, if that helps.

Whoopi...I have no idea what to say.

But hell, look up what Avanti was saying this afternoon while pretending to be a legal expert. It tended to produce some...irate? yes, that's a good word...responses.

David Lynch is one of the greatest directors and film makers ever. But, I will have to consider his character after his recent support of Polanski.

623 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:44:51pm

re: #540 Emmmieg

Yes, any day that thousands of people don't die because of an errant twist of nature is good.

Didn't mean to be funny. My office is about 20 feet ASL and less than a 1/4 mile inland. I can hear the waves from my home when the surf is up but I'm luckily about 95' elevation.

The first few hours of today were very tense.

624 Dianna  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:45:02pm

Walking dogs and heading for bed.

Goodnight, folks.

625 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:45:35pm

Here come the flouncing down dingers.

626 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:45:53pm

re: #623 BigPapa

Didn't mean to be funny. My office is about 20 feet ASL and less than a 1/4 mile inland. I can hear the waves from my home when the surf is up but I'm luckily about 95' elevation.

The first few hours of today were very tense.

I didn't think you were being funny. I wasn't being funny, either. Any day that we thought we might be looking at devastation, and then it doesn't happen, that's good.

627 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:03pm

re: #601 Flyers1974

I didn't know he was in incarcerated to begin with. When did this happen?

He went to Switzerland, and the marshalls moved on him. The Swiss have him in custody on our warrent. Happened day before yesterday, I think.

628 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:18pm

re: #614 Dianna

I honestly thought from the article I read this afternoon that it was a done deal.

CNN's article on this still asserts an extradition hearing needs to be held to move forward. No suggestion of a plea deal with the Swiss.

If the President could condemn Kayne West (and seemed to get a bump in his approval for calling West's churlish and childish behavior out), he ought to be able to call Polanski out as well. Sigh.

629 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:24pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Here come the flouncing down dingers.

Well, there goes my karma...

630 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:38pm

re: #615 austin_blue

So where's the racism? You could argue that Flyer is incorrect.

631 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:58pm

re: #572 Boondock St. Bender

Thats because "artists are...special.

spit

Does anyone think Micheal Jackson was not molesting young boys for example, or rock/rap stars aren't sleeping with underage girls ? Lots of under the table payoffs, but rarely prison.

632 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:46:59pm

re: #622 Walter L. Newton

David Lynch is one of the greatest directors and film makers ever. But, I will have to consider his character after his recent support of Polanski.

I agree with you on Lynch but frankly I would be more surprised if anyone in Hollywood came out and denounced Polanski. Hollywood tends to be a vapid cesspool of moral relativism (and I say this as an agnostic non-socon) and special rules. I'm not losing any sleep over the show of support.

633 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:47:02pm

re: #609 Dianna

David Lynch is the man who directed ...and a TV show, the name of which will not come to me at present. It had an intro featuring a sawmill, if that helps. .

Twin Peaks.

Inspired a later movie titled "Fire, Walk with Me."

I really liked the series.

634 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:47:08pm

Heu 55flhhd, AFSarge, come out and play! Post and let us know what you think. Stealth dinging is lame.

635 tradewind  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:47:14pm

re: #609 Dianna

Twin Peaks!
Wow, there's some serious psychopathology at work right there///

636 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:47:35pm

re: #629 austin_blue

Well, there goes my karma...

Sometimes my karma loses its dogma. /

637 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:47:51pm

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Thank you Perry Mason.

Just giving my opinion when asked, yours is welcome too.

638 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:05pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Here come the flouncing down dingers.

That could be a band, you know. Except that accordions would probably be involved.

639 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:05pm

re: #626 EmmmieG

OK (Emmie). I do wish to move up the mountain.

I do hope the toll to the Samoans are low.

640 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:06pm

re: #631 avanti

exactly my point.

641 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:06pm

re: #606 Flyers1974

That was my thought exactly when McCain picked her. That she could be the next Reagan.

A big part of what made Regan strong was the people behind him, some of whom went on to serve in the two Bush administrations. Given Palin's reputation for shunning advisers, I'm not sure she could pull it off even with best dream team behind her.

642 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:16pm

re: #616 Killgore Trout

On a related note I've been keeping up with Hell's Kitchen. I'm pretty burned out on "reality shows" but this season is pretty damn inspirational.

643 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:26pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Here come the flouncing down dingers.

And there they go.

644 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:47pm

re: #599 jvic

jvic -

And ye shall know their FEAR by the level of their Derision. May they STAY afraid, fear is something they wear well.

-S-

645 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:48:50pm

re: #638 EmmmieG

That could be a band, you know. Except that accordions would probably be involved.

And what is your problem with accordions? I have two of them right here, and I know how to use them. Careful.

646 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:01pm

re: #636 Gus 802

Sometimes my karma loses its dogma. /

You know Illuminati from Steve Jackson?!?!

647 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

And what is your problem with accordions? I have two of them right here, and I know how to use them. Careful.

Is that a threat? That sounds distinctly like a threat.

648 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:23pm

re: #609 Dianna

David Lynch is the man who directed the theatrical release of Dune. He was also guilty of Blue Velvet, and a TV show, the name of which will not come to me at present. It had an intro featuring a sawmill, if that helps.

Whoopi...I have no idea what to say.

But hell, look up what Avanti was saying this afternoon while pretending to be a legal expert. It tended to produce some...irate? yes, that's a good word...responses.

Blue Velvet was brilliant.

649 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:27pm

re: #630 BigPapa

So where's the racism? You could argue that Flyer is incorrect.

The fact that he mentions that the blacks "of course" voted for Obama. As if they didn't vote for Gore and Kerry beforehand. Of course they did.

650 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:31pm
651 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:32pm

re: #569 eclectic infidel

W/O Cliff Yablonski, it's just not the same.

The $4 for the South to China was quite funny, and I recently lol'd over it (just minutes ago).


yeah, I just went and read a couple pages from GBS and it's pretty much not funny anymore.

I always loved Dr. Thorpe's articles.

652 theheat  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #621 Racer X

A blues singer once said, the first time she heard the blues it was like her world changed from black and white to color. And when I read that, I thought she had read my mind.

653 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #643 Charles

And there they go.

Scratch 2? There was one main dinger.

654 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:49pm

re: #648 Conservative Moonbat

Blue Velvet was brilliant.

No kidding.

655 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:55pm

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

And what is your problem with accordions? I have two of them right here, and I know how to use them. Careful.

Humph.

I know short people in low places with bagpipes.

656 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:49:55pm

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Well, I've been kinda stealth dinging again.
Hangs head in shame.
But, I (mostly) up ding!

Reporting for duty, sir!

657 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:06pm

re: #647 EmmmieG

Is that a threat? That sounds distinctly like a threat.

It is, and I'm prepared to go all the way.

658 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:17pm

re: #647 EmmmieG

Is that a threat? That sounds distinctly like a threat.

Hey hey hey hey! Play nice.

659 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:26pm

re: #646 LudwigVanQuixote

You know Illuminati from Steve Jackson?!?!

Me? No. You know that's a common saying. No one really knows what it means but they still say it.

660 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:32pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Don't believe the hype, from what I understand the DA wants to make sure the man does hard time.

I hope you're right, but I suspect it will be a short sentence if he does any time.

661 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:53pm

re: #632 ArchangelMichael

I agree with you on Lynch but frankly I would be more surprised if anyone in Hollywood came out and denounced Polanski. Hollywood tends to be a vapid cesspool of moral relativism (and I say this as an agnostic non-socon) and special rules. I'm not losing any sleep over the show of support.

As long as Clint Eastwood doesn't come out and support him I'll be OK with the world.

662 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:50:59pm

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

It is, and I'm prepared to go all the way.

Isn't that against the Geneva Accordions?

663 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:00pm

re: #631 avanti

Does anyone think Micheal Jackson was not molesting young boys for example, or rock/rap stars aren't sleeping with underage girls ? Lots of under the table payoffs, but rarely prison.

Yeah, but this guy was arrested, charged, pled guilty, and fled the country. The stakes have risen.

664 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:01pm

re: #659 Gus 802

Me? No. You know that's a common saying. No one really knows what it means but they still say it.

Just remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

665 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:03pm

My dogma chases the neighbor's karma.

666 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:06pm

Walter is a ninja.

Who'da thunk?

667 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:07pm

re: #643 Charles

And there they go.

Sweet! Thanks, Charles. Way to to gig the socks!

668 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:33pm

re: #655 bofhell

Humph.

I know short people in low places with bagpipes.

Don't try using the bagpipe gambit with me. I've dealt with them all, the harmonica playing chipmunks, free-reed instrument gangs, you name it, I've defeated them all with my two accordions.

669 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:36pm

re: #635 tradewind

Twin Peaks!
Wow, there's some serious psychopathology at work right there///

We had Twin Peaks TV parties at my house, apple pie, the log, and beer, good times.

670 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:51:47pm

re: #664 bofhell

Just remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Deep, thoughts...

//

671 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:52:13pm

Aw crud. It's Geneva convention. Oslo accords. Perfectly good pun ruined.

*sniff*

672 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:52:34pm

re: #639 BigPapa

OK (Emmie). I do wish to move up the mountain.

I do hope the toll to the Samoans are low.

My MIL works in banking in Hawaii. Apparently the BoH bank builting in American Samoa lost a wall to the wave.

673 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:52:47pm

re: #662 EmmmieG

Isn't that against the Geneva Accordions?

If your accordion is out of it's Polish uniform, then it's a free-reed instrument, not beholden to the Geneva Accordion Conventions.

674 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:53:04pm

re: #649 austin_blue

The fact that he mentions that the blacks "of course" voted for Obama. As if they didn't vote for Gore and Kerry beforehand. Of course they did.

Of course they did. That's factual because they vote blue and compounding on top of the Barrack is half Black himself. (and half space alien)

There, I said 'of course.' Racist?

675 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:53:11pm

re: #672 SanFranciscoZionist

My MIL works in banking in Hawaii. Apparently the BoH bank builting in American Samoa lost a wall to the wave.

Anybody hurt?

676 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:53:51pm

re: #630 BigPapa

So where's the racism? You could argue that Flyer is incorrect.

Oh, and the fact that he hasn't responded, and he is still logged on.

677 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:54:12pm

re: #615 austin_blue

Here's your post:

re: #492 Flyers1974

Maybe, but I can't remember any politician in modern US politics who had won the loyalty of the ...I would say "base" as opposed to fringe,,, as Palin did. With Obama, for example the loyalty wasn't deep and can be explained: Who really loved Obama? Blacks for obvious historical reasons, and "elite" university types - because they spoke the same language. But how many of those elites are there? As far as four more years, who knows? Obama may go up and down ten times between now and 2012. I think as usual, the economy will answer this question.

You claim he won because of...what? Blacks and eggheads. This is plainly what you postulate. Sorry dude, the demographic was much more widespread. Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina. Unless you would suggest a different dynamic? No? Crickets?

I was comparing the cult of personality, or lack thereof regarding Palin and Obama. There is a difference between loyalty, i.e., the conservatives' loyalty towards Sarah Palin, and merely voting for a candidate. People vote for candidates all the time without being particularly loyal. Conservatives state that mass "drinking the koolaid" was what got Obama elected. My theory is that is false - Obama's loyalists were overstated in number and were in large part blacks and elitists. Most others voted for him because of the economy, the war and eight years of the opposite party in power. You are barking up the wrong tree with what you thought you saw.

678 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:54:37pm

re: #669 avanti

We had Twin Peaks TV parties at my house, apple pie, the log, and beer, good times.

And a damn fine cup of coffee.

679 instantnemesis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:54:50pm

So what..."The Audicity of a Dope" and "Dreams of my Muslim Father" were ghostwritten by Bill Ayers.

680 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:13pm

re: #675 EmmmieG

Anybody hurt?

Not to my knowledge.

681 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:16pm

We got a live one!

682 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:17pm

re: #650 Racer X

Tree of Life video HD

[Video]

Wow that was really cool. If you have not seen it yet, click.

The Tree Of Life web site is cool as well.

Science!

683 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:20pm

re: #660 avanti

I hope you're right, but I suspect it will be a short sentence if he does any time.

Probably. I'd accept 5 years, medium security.

684 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:32pm

re: #651 SpaceJesus

I always loved Dr. Thorpe's articles.

He moved on to this place a long while back, and is (has?) apparently moving on again.

685 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:36pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

So what..."The Audicity of a Dope" and "Dreams of my Muslim Father" were ghostwritten by Bill Ayers.

Prove it.

686 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:45pm

re: #676 austin_blue

Oh, and the fact that he hasn't responded, and he is still logged on.

Sorry, you're not the only thing I have going on.

687 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:46pm

re: #649 austin_blue

The fact that he mentions that the blacks "of course" voted for Obama. As if they didn't vote for Gore and Kerry beforehand. Of course they did.

austin_blue -

The trend started with FDR, it accelerated in 1960 when the Kennedy Campaign came up with bail money for MLK and the Nixon Campaign refused.
Amazingly, before that, Nixon was more "Civil Rights" in voting, attitude and life history than JFK. Such are the ironies of history.

-S-

688 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:55:48pm

99 Problems

689 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:56:02pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

So what..."The Audicity of a Dope" and "Dreams of my Muslim Father" were ghostwritten by Bill Ayers.

Complete garbage. Why are you you spewing that nonsense at LGF?

690 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:56:22pm

re: #676 austin_blue

Oh, and the fact that he hasn't responded, and he is still logged on.

You said 'oh.' Racist!

Since he hasn't responded to what? You're charge of racism because of saying 'of course?' Does it merit a response?

691 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:56:35pm

Audicity? Craftsmanship is dead.

692 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:56:59pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

16 comments in three years. These topics always wake up the sleepers.

693 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:02pm

re: #668 Walter L. Newton

Don't try using the bagpipe gambit with me. I've dealt with them all, the harmonica playing chipmunks, free-reed instrument gangs, you name it, I've defeated them all with my two accordions.

I can't orchestrate music puns at 1 am -- that's above my band, I'm neither that brassy nor wooden, and I lack the wind to drum up the support. String me up...

694 instantnemesis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:21pm

re: #685 Walter L. Newton
Prove it wasn't

Just saying.

695 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:35pm

re: #659 Gus 802

Me? No. You know that's a common saying. No one really knows what it means but they still say it.

Well, there was this awesome card game based on Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy.

In it, you were a secret society who tried to take over the world by glomming on various groups in a pyramid and competing against other players.

So once, for instance, I was the Servants of Cthulu playing against the Illuminati, and the Networks. In my power tree I had a conspiracy where, I controled New York through the Elders of Zion I used the NSA (in black helicopters) to overtake PETA. With PETA, I played a my Karma overran your Dogma card, to stop a plot bay the Illuminatus controlled Pope who was part of the CIA.

696 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:35pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

I sense butthurt:

697 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:52pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

Your nic suits you.

698 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:57:55pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

Prove it wasn't

Just saying.

Just lying you mean.

699 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:12pm

re: #649 austin_blue

The fact that he mentions that the blacks "of course" voted for Obama. As if they didn't vote for Gore and Kerry beforehand. Of course they did.

Are you insane? You don't think blacks viewed Obama's candidacy as historical? You are a complete and utter moron.

700 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:29pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

That's like saying "I know you are but what am I."

701 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:43pm

re: #692 Charles

16 comments in three years. These topic always wake up the sleepers.

so I guess he wasn't so instant a nemesis? Or much of a nemesis for that matter.

702 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:48pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

when making an accusation it is customary to provide proof of your charge.

703 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:51pm

re: #691 jaunte

Audicity? Craftsmanship is dead.

You can't drive Hondas in Audicity.

704 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:58:51pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

705 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:11pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

Prove it.

706 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:13pm

re: #679 instantnemesis

So what..."The Audicity of a Dope" and "Dreams of my Muslim Father" were ghostwritten by Bill Ayers.

Your comment was ghostwritten by Roman Polanski

707 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:31pm

I will prove you wrong by proving that you can't prove me wrong!

Fail.

708 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:41pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

Prove it wasn't

Just saying.

^^^
Sarah Palin's fan base.

709 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:42pm

Neminisis

710 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 9:59:47pm

re: #685 Walter L. Newton

Prove it.

re: #705 Slumbering Behemoth

Prove it.

Geez, ya beat me by a mile.

711 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:00:24pm

Aw, crud. People were hurt in Samoa. Not on the scale of the last tsunami, but there's at least 39 dead, maybe more.

May the missing turn up.

712 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:00:30pm

re: #710 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez, ya beat me by a mile.

Hey, if I can divide by zero, I can prove most anything...

713 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:00:34pm

re: #710 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez, ya beat me by a mile.

Great minds think faster.

714 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:00:49pm

Sez so here on Wurld Net Bailey.

715 JRCMYP  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:00:57pm

re: #558 TheMatrix31

Are you actually fucking saying that all those who support/ed Palin are white supremacists?!

WOW. Unfuckingbelievable.

Actually, no. I don't know if she (the ghost writer) is a white supremacist. My point, however, is that the people who are hot for Palin will vote for her pretty much no matter what. Plus, they will hear "Pro-life" and "God" and that's where the cognitive dissonance will kick in.

716 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:08pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

Logical fallacy, "Proving a negative", you moron.

717 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:09pm

Anyway, what made that game so great was that you could mix and match conspiracy theories. It was a sort of Madlibs for X files buffs, before there was X files.

718 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:09pm

re: #709 jaunte

Neminisis

The mildly cranky, slightly annoying fate.

719 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:15pm

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

Probably. I'd accept 5 years, medium security.

BTW, just read about the whole deal from the victim and it shows how she felt about the rape and the fallout.:

link.

720 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:18pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

Prove it wasn't

Just saying.

First prove you don't fondle goats.

721 instantnemesis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:01:18pm

Wow...ppl gotta lighten up a bit. It was a joke hence the parodied names of the books. Man...lets all take a joke once in a while. for the record...If the GOP supports Palin god help us all...

722 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:02:19pm

re: #721 instantnemesis

Wow...ppl gotta lighten up a bit. It was a joke hence the parodied names of the books. Man...lets all take a joke once in a while. for the record...If the GOP supports Palin god help us all...

Yawn.

723 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:02:37pm

re: #721 instantnemesis

Wow...ppl gotta lighten up a bit. It was a joke hence the parodied names of the books. Man...lets all take a joke once in a while. for the record...If the GOP supports Palin god help us all...

Zzzz.

724 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:02:40pm

re: #720 Sharmuta

It was just something in their eyes...

725 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:02:49pm

re: #719 avanti

You're leaning in for the fastball again.

726 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:03pm

re: #713 Walter L. Newton

Great minds think faster.

Greater minds multitask. You didn't "think faster", Walter. You were just focused "there" before I was.

727 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:05pm

To sleep, perchance to dream...

728 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:22pm

re: #721 instantnemesis

Wow...ppl gotta lighten up a bit. It was a joke hence the parodied names of the books. Man...lets all take a joke once in a while. for the record...If the GOP supports Palin god help us all...

If it was a joke you should have remembered your /sarc tag. You have to use those, because we get people in here who actually believe things like that.

729 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:34pm

re: #721 instantnemesis

Or maybe, you know, your jokes weren't funny.

730 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:39pm

re: #719 avanti

BTW, just read about the whole deal from the victim and it shows how she felt about the rape and the fallout.:

link.

I wouldn't care if she invited him back over to her place to bop her again. It doesn't matter. She was 13, he was an adult. Period. End of story. No defense. No excuses. He's a fucking slime.

Right?

731 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:03:56pm

re: #726 Slumbering Behemoth

Greater minds multitask. You didn't "think faster", Walter. You were just focused "there" before I was.

Huh?

732 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:00pm

re: #677 Flyers1974

I was comparing the cult of personality, or lack thereof regarding Palin and Obama. There is a difference between loyalty, i.e., the conservatives' loyalty towards Sarah Palin, and merely voting for a candidate. People vote for candidates all the time without being particularly loyal. Conservatives state that mass "drinking the koolaid" was what got Obama elected. My theory is that is false - Obama's loyalists were overstated in number and were in large part blacks and elitists. Most others voted for him because of the economy, the war and eight years of the opposite party in power. You are barking up the wrong tree with what you thought you saw.

Well, you should read what you have just posted. "Obama's loyalists were overstated in number and were in large part blacks and elitists." If they were overstated, how could he have been elected?

Here is your pitard, why do you continue to hoist yourself upon it?

733 bofhell  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:05pm

re: #726 Slumbering Behemoth

Greater minds multitask. You didn't "think faster", Walter. You were just focused "there" before I was.

I thought it was think different. Clearly I've had too much of the Jobs Kool-Aid. Night all...

734 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:12pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

If it was a joke you should have remembered your /sarc tag. You have to use those, because we get people in here who actually believe things like that.

There is no thought so crazy that there isn't someone on the web somewhere that believes it.

I bet I could find someone that thinks that Milky Way bars were invented by aliens.

735 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:25pm

re: #716 Slumbering Behemoth

Logical fallacy, "Proving a negative", you moron.

Uh... it's moran.

That's the proper nomenclature.

736 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:29pm

re: #727 bofhell

To sleep, perchance to dream...

IS THAT A FLOUNCE?

737 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:04:56pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

I wouldn't care if she invited him back over to her place to bop her again. It doesn't matter. She was 13, he was an adult. Period. End of story. No defense. No excuses. He's a fucking slime.

Right?

Quite Concur.

738 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:05:36pm

re: #721 instantnemesis

Wow...ppl gotta lighten up a bit. It was a joke hence the parodied names of the books. Man...lets all take a joke once in a while. for the record...If the GOP supports Palin god help us all...

I've never been a member of the GOP but have been attracted to conservative ideals.. If a Goldwater conservative were to run I'd vote for them but there aren't any left. I voted for Obama because of Palin.

Have you not read the rest of this thread?

739 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:06:43pm

re: #738 Conservative Moonbat

I've never been a member of the GOP but have been attracted to conservative ideals.. If a Goldwater conservative were to run I'd vote for them but there aren't any left.

I think there may be one left, but he got shipped to China.

740 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:07:14pm

re: #731 Walter L. Newton

Huh?

Exactly my point.

741 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:07:42pm

Oh crap, the recent earthquake caused way more carnage than we were originally aware of.

Exclusive video

742 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:07:44pm

re: #737 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

I'm sorry, but I've read most of the post that Avanti has made about Polanski, and it certainly sounds like he is trying to dismiss the whole thing as an overreaction. It's making me sick.

743 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:08:50pm

re: #719 avanti

Avanti, I feel bad about down dinging you.
BUT
It DOES NOT MATTER HOW THE VICTIM FEELS RIGHT NOW.
He was convicted/pled to a lesser charge,
over 30 years ago.
He fled to escape jail time.
Justice must be served.

That's all.

744 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:09:07pm

re: #725 Racer X

You're leaning in for the fastball again.

Nope going to bed, just felt the victims feelings were part of the story. Night all .

745 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:09:17pm

night all,here's hoping tomorrow finds you well.

746 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:09:46pm

re: #720 Sharmuta

First prove you don't fondle goats.

On racism and Obama hatred...

747 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:10:53pm

re: #687 Dr. Shalit

austin_blue -

The trend started with FDR, it accelerated in 1960 when the Kennedy Campaign came up with bail money for MLK and the Nixon Campaign refused.
Amazingly, before that, Nixon was more "Civil Rights" in voting, attitude and life history than JFK. Such are the ironies of history.

-S-

True. Southern blacks were split between the R's and the D's until 1968, when Nixon instituted the "Southern Strategy". At the time, sound politically, now a freakin' Glen Beck disaster.

748 avanti  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:11:07pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

I wouldn't care if she invited him back over to her place to bop her again. It doesn't matter. She was 13, he was an adult. Period. End of story. No defense. No excuses. He's a fucking slime.

Right?

No question, night Walter.

749 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:11:20pm

Goodnight folks. I'm one very tired lizard.

750 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:11:25pm

re: #734 EmmmieG

I bet I could find someone that thinks that Milky Way bars were invented by aliens.

The most certainly were. You cannot tell me with a straight face that nougat is actually from this planet, can you?

751 instantnemesis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:11:48pm

re: #738 Conservative Moonbat

The problem for the conservative base will be if she does go rogue and runs for a 3rd party. She's a political joke and does not seem to get it.

752 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:11:56pm

re: #750 Slumbering Behemoth

The most certainly were. You cannot tell me with a straight face that nougat is actually from this planet, can you?

I would have thought it would be the caramel...

753 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:12:03pm

re: #732 austin_blue

Well, you should read what you have just posted. "Obama's loyalists were overstated in number and were in large part blacks and elitists." If they were overstated, how could he have been elected?

Here is your pitard, why do you continue to hoist yourself upon it?

Are you a dunce? All "loyalists" are voters but not all voters are "loyalists" in the context I was discussing. The number of Loyalists can be overstated and Obama still win because he won the most votes. If he got 100 votes and someone says 20 of those votes were cast by loyalists, but it is somehow later determined that only 10 were, how does this change the result? You only get one vote, whether you are a loyalist (avid supporter) or a less avid voter. And did you really check to see if I was still logged on?

754 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:12:41pm
755 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:12:55pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Don't believe the hype, from what I understand the DA wants to make sure the man does hard time.

I certainly hope so.

His chances of a pardon are nearly zero. Obama cannot pardon him because it isn't a federal crime. Under the California standard for pardons, Polanski should have lead a model life since conviction to be eligible for a pardon. Somehow, running from the law to live abroad doesn't really sync with that, though I'm sure we'll hear all sorts of apologists explain why he's different. (shiver)

756 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:13:38pm

re: #744 avanti

Nope going to bed, just felt the victims feelings were part of the story. Night all .

*and the batter takes one off the forehead. thats gonna leave a mark.

757 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:14:43pm

SABOTAGE

758 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:14:58pm

re: #751 instantnemesis

Word of advice for the next time you don't log in for months or years and want to make smarky jokes no one will get because we don't know your humor...

Try a sarc tag.

759 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:15:07pm

re: #744 avanti

They are part of the story, but not the key part. The key part is the Rule of Law. Roman Polanski raped a child and fled the country to avoid punishment for that crime. Such an act merits prison time. Anything else sends a message that people can evade responsibility for such a vile act. I am glad his victim forgave him, but in the eyes of the law it does not matter. He is guilty, he must pay. Period.

760 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:15:13pm

Long day tomorrow, so I'd better have a long night tonight. G'nite.

761 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:15:27pm

re: #757 Killgore Trout

Greatest Parody Music Video EVAH.

762 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:17:00pm

Richard Thompson: Dimming of the Day

763 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:17:35pm

re: #753 Flyers1974

Are you a dunce? All "loyalists" are voters but not all voters are "loyalists" in the context I was discussing. The number of Loyalists can be overstated and Obama still win because he won the most votes. If he got 100 votes and someone says 20 of those votes were cast by loyalists, but it is somehow later determined that only 10 were, how does this change the result? You only get one vote, whether you are a loyalist (avid supporter) or a less avid voter. And did you really check to see if I was still logged on?

Dude, he carried Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina.

End of story.

What is your major malfunction that you can't grok that basic fact?

764 instantnemesis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:19:01pm

re: #758 Sharmuta

Thanks...I'll start to log in everyday and make stupid jokes w/o a sarc tag to make everyone go in a tizzie...what is this the HuffPo. mmm mmm mmm.

765 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:19:10pm

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

LMAO!

766 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:19:50pm

re: #764 instantnemesis

Now you're just being antagonistic.

767 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:20:33pm
768 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:20:36pm

Note to self- do not be nice to instantnemesis in the future.

769 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:20:45pm

Same boys meet the Westboro Baptists!

770 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:21:13pm

OK. This is really really creepy.

Rifqa Bary, the 17-year old who's been accusing her parents of wanting to murder her, suddenly turns up on a conference call headed by Shirley Dobson, wife of Focus on the Family's James Dobson, and featuring Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

And starts raving incoherently about "Jesus".

Florida authorities are investigating how she ended up on this call because she's supposed to be in protective custody: [Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

771 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:21:15pm

"A scar ain't 13 god damned stitches. I'll introduce you to men with REAL scars, then we'll all laugh at your fucking 13 stitches together."

772 jvic  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:21:17pm

re: #694 instantnemesis

Prove it wasn't

Just saying.

ahem--

re: #180 jvic


re: #116 Charles

Forget proof. There is no EVIDENCE at all. It's the concoction of Jack Cashill (Vince Foster was killed by Bill Clinton!) and World Net Daily. It's utter crap.

In fact there is some evidence to the contrary: here and here, for example.

773 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:21:41pm

re: #719 avanti

BTW, just read about the whole deal from the victim and it shows how she felt about the rape and the fallout.:

link.

God, that woman's been through a lot.

774 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:21:45pm

re: #768 Sharmuta

Don't trust the goatfondlers.

775 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:22:33pm

re: #761 Sharmuta

The Beasties, like the Beatles, didn't take themselves too seriously...

776 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:22:55pm

re: #774 jaunte

Don't trust the goatfondlers.

What if it was consensual?

777 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:23:44pm

re: #776 BigPapa

Not proven!

778 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:23:58pm
779 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:24:08pm

re: #770 Charles

Dude, that's just sad.

780 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:24:13pm

Listen to the tape of Rifqa Bary until the point where she starts praying. You're not going to believe this.

781 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:24:54pm

re: #770 Charles

OK. This is really really creepy.

Rifqa Bary, the 17-year old who's been accusing her parents of wanting to murder her, suddenly turns up on a conference call headed by Shirely Dobson, wife of Focus on the Family's James Dobson, and featuring Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

And starts raving incoherently about "Jesus".


[Video]

Florida authorities are investigating how she ended up on this call because she's supposed to be in protective custody: [Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

yeah... And here I was making all of these high falutin' defenses of faith to you and you just had to pull this out and kick me hard...

///

Yeah this is frightening. No doubt.

782 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:24:57pm

re: #763 austin_blue

Dude, he carried Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina.

End of story.

What is your major malfunction that you can't grok that basic fact?

Let's be honest. You didn't know that I've been one of Obama's biggest supporters around here and you made a knee-jerk assumption that I was against him because you misinterpreted my comment. As a result, you played the race card. Embarrassing.

783 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:26:52pm

re: #743 Floral Giraffe

Avanti, I feel bad about down dinging you.
BUT
It DOES NOT MATTER HOW THE VICTIM FEELS RIGHT NOW.
He was convicted/pled to a lesser charge,
over 30 years ago.
He fled to escape jail time.
Justice must be served.

That's all.

Frankly, also, it sounds like the European press has been trying to get him off since day one. I'm loathe to let a rapist off the hook because his supporters successfully ganged up on the victim.

But at this point it doesn't matter any more how anyone feels. He's got jail time to serve.

784 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:27:33pm

re: #764 instantnemesis

The meter just went up:

785 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:27:38pm

re: #780 Charles

Listen to the tape of Rifqa Bary until the point where she starts praying. You're not going to believe this.

Very seriously, what do you think happened to her?

786 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:27:58pm

re: #780 Charles

Ugh. That's truly disturbing.

787 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:28:09pm

re: #780 Charles

Listen to the tape of Rifqa Bary until the point where she starts praying. You're not going to believe this.

I'm just stunned. Even what goes on afterwards.

788 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:29:19pm

re: #785 LudwigVanQuixote

Very seriously, what do you think happened to her?

She's a confused young girl who's been sucked into a cult.

789 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:29:34pm

re: #770 Charles

WOW! That child needs professional help.

790 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:30:15pm

re: #780 Charles

"Will you spit forth fire form the heaven, lord"

If she hasn't been brainwashed, she's definitely been coached. This is way creepy.

791 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:30:27pm

re: #770 Charles

Kinda reminds me of meatloaf's scene in Rocky Horror.

792 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:30:30pm

I'm really disgusted at the adults USING this child.

793 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:31:25pm

re: #785 LudwigVanQuixote

Very seriously, what do you think happened to her?

I wouldn't even try to guess. There is something very very wrong with those people.

794 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:31:33pm

They want to use her in the media! "Use her." Just disgusting.

795 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:32:20pm

re: #780 Charles

Pretty common hyper-emotional projection among the apostolic/pentecostal crowd.

796 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #794 Sharmuta

Definitely twisted.

797 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:32:50pm

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

On Monday, DCF spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said the state agency "had no knowledge of this until it surfaced. Although she is 17, she remains in protective custody. Neither the Department nor do we believe her parents, gave permission for her participation in this call with strangers, which is of concern to us."

"Right now, we are working to get more background on the video such as when it posted and who arranged it."

798 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:33:08pm

re: #796 Killgore Trout

Appalling.

799 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:33:18pm

Looks like cross-cultural teenage rebellion to me.

800 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:33:30pm

re: #795 freetoken

Pretty common hyper-emotional projection among the apostolic/pentecostal crowd.

Yep, that's them all right. It's big part of their cache'. Frankly, I tend to find it a tad obnoxious.

801 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:34:27pm

re: #795 freetoken

Pretty common hyper-emotional projection among the apostolic/pentecostal crowd.

With such a young girl in a very precarious position it's bordering on brainwashing cult type stuff. You just can't do this with vulnerable children.

802 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:34:39pm

Wow, that was some seriously nasty exploitation.

803 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:34:58pm

So this reminded me of an old Jewish Joke...

Why don't Jews speak in tongues at synagogue?

Well think about it. If someone fell on the floor convulsing in a synagogue, the rabbi would stop the service and ask if there was a doctor.

5 guys would get up...

There's nothing physically wrong with him? Is there a psychiatrist here?

2 guys get up...

804 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:35:48pm

When I was her age I was into aleister crowley just to try and get a reaction from my parents. DIdn't get one but I did get board with it.

805 Racer X  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:36:18pm

re: #802 jaunte

Wow, that was some seriously nasty exploitation.

Just sick.

Really sad part? It has barely started with this poor kid. Expect her to be exploited for years to come.

806 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:36:33pm

re: #674 BigPapa

Of course they did. That's factual because they vote blue and compounding on top of the Barrack is half Black himself. (and half space alien)

There, I said 'of course.' Racist?

No. Factual. Except for the half space alien bit. He is totally an alien from the planet Toocoolforyou. Different from the noted comment. Go back up board and read it.

807 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:36:35pm

re: #802 jaunte

Wow, that was some seriously nasty exploitation.

Of a minor. These people should know better, but it just goes to show- they don't care so long as they have their hands on other people's kids.

808 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:36:39pm

I even hesitate to ask this but how did the story of Esther end? Is this going to be some self fulfilling prophecy?

809 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:37:19pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

I even hesitate to ask this but how did the story of Esther end? Is this going to be some self fulfilling prophecy?

She ends up Queen of Assyria.

810 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:38:06pm

Am I the only one who thinks she's going to just grow up and get over it?

811 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:38:15pm

re: #809 LudwigVanQuixote

She ends up Queen of Assyria.

I'd say Dobson has made quite the logical leap hasn't he?

/

812 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:38:40pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

I don't get the Esther connection here.

813 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:39:30pm

re: #770 Charles


She reminds me of a person I knew in college. Nothing was ever his fault-
Good lord, the prayer just started. If she was praying for me, I wouldn't even know it.

ANYWAY, nothing was ever his fault. Bad grade on a test? Well, it couldn't be my fault that I didn't study, He didn't want me to get a good grade on that test. We lost the game? He works in mysterious ways. Take some responsibility.

814 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:39:54pm

re: #812 jaunte

I don't get the Esther connection here.

There isn't one. It's pretty insane actually. Esther was instrumental in stopping a plot to kill the Jews. The holiday of Purim is about this.

815 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:40:14pm

re: #812 jaunte

Listen to the recording. It seems they're treating her like some sort of prophet or martyr.
/Brushing up on my biblical history as we speak.

816 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:40:22pm

re: #806 austin_blue

No. Factual. Except for the half space alien bit. He is totally an alien from the planet Toocoolforyou. Different from the noted comment. Go back up board and read it.

I read it. You said 'subtly racist' because Flyer said 'of course' since blacks and eggheads voted for him. I asked what was racist about it.

Reading up thread won't answer my question, I was hoping you would.

817 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:06pm

re: #815 Killgore Trout

Listen to the recording. It seems they're treating her like some sort of prophet or martyr.
/Brushing up on my biblical history as we speak.

In their twisted world, she is a little Christian Lamb that they have to save from lions...

818 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:18pm

re: #814 LudwigVanQuixote

Maybe they're thinking about 'adopted loyalties.'

819 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:19pm

re: #814 LudwigVanQuixote

There isn't one. It's pretty insane actually. Esther was instrumental in stopping a plot to kill the Jews. The holiday of Purim is about this.

But my question is what is their concept of the reference. I'm not getting it.

820 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:25pm

re: #792 Sharmuta

I'm really disgusted at the adults USING this child.

These types, cultists, or immoral profiteers, or both, always seek to exploit the weak, the willing, the desperate, and the easily manipulated for their own ends.

Soulless scum.

821 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:40pm

re: #817 LudwigVanQuixote

Ah.

822 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:41:47pm

re: #819 Killgore Trout

But my question is what is their concept of the reference. I'm not getting it.

A prophet. That would be my take.

823 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:42:15pm

re: #819 Killgore Trout

But my question is what is their concept of the reference. I'm not getting it.

And I am telling you I have read the book of Esther in the original - and I am not getting it!

824 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:42:25pm

re: #770 Charles

What. A. Mess.
The girl, and the "folks" using her.
UGH!

825 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:42:29pm

re: #780 Charles

Listen to the tape of Rifqa Bary until the point where she starts praying. You're not going to believe this.

Um.

Is that normal in evangelical circles? I've only ever been to one Protestant service before.

826 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:43:09pm

Esther

Esther appears in the Bible as a woman of deep faith, courage and patriotism, ultimately willing to risk her life for her adoptive father, Mordecai, and the Jewish people. Scripture portrays her as a woman raised up as an instrument in the hand of God to avert the destruction of the Jewish people, and to afford them protection and forward their wealth and peace in their captivity.
827 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:43:36pm

re: #825 SanFranciscoZionist

Um.

Is that normal in evangelical circles? I've only ever been to one Protestant service before.

No it is not. Most Protestants are sane people.

828 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:43:36pm

Is she supposed to deliver the muslims to Jesus?

829 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:44:59pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

Is she supposed to deliver the muslims to Jesus?

Because that's what I picked up on- they want to use this child to convert muslims.

830 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:45:16pm

re: #782 Flyers1974

Let's be honest. You didn't know that I've been one of Obama's biggest supporters around here and you made a knee-jerk assumption that I was against him because you misinterpreted my comment. As a result, you played the race card. Embarrassing.

Could you please reread you comment?

No? You are a liberal incapable of a fuck up?

Perhaps you should consider the possibility that a D can fuck the dog. I've done it here, and I've apologized. It's actually rather liberating. Admitting that you are wrong allows you to *listen* to other voices. I have learned a lot here by doing so.

831 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:45:51pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

Maybe this is it:

Some Christian readers consider this story to contain an allegory, representing the interaction between the church as 'bride' and God.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
832 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:45:57pm

re: #799 Conservative Moonbat

Looks like cross-cultural teenage rebellion to me.

But not the typical kind. Most rebellion of that kind manifests in defiance through partying, dating, etc., not jumping from one fanatical religious devotion to another.

She was talking to the dude that's been harboring her over the internet before she ran away. I think she got sucked into something weird by a smooth talking snake-oil salesman.

833 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:47:05pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

After that well thought-out and thoroughly-scripted prayer, wouldn't you run to the nearest church and ask to join? I know I'm itching to join them now.
///

834 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:47:12pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

Is she supposed to deliver the muslims to Jesus?

Well that was the idea.

Ahhh OK I got the referent they were trying to make...

It goes like this.

The story of Esther, the real one, she saves the Jewish people from getting killed in plot to kill them all. She saves the Jews of the kingdom from death. She incidentally was Jewish herself and married to the king.

So,

Dobson is saying that this girl will save the Muslims from hell.

And is thus like Esther.

835 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:49:34pm

Well, at least she wasn't projectile vomiting, yet!
Was that the exorcist movie?
Very very sad what this young person has let herself be led into.
It doesn't look good, for any involved.
Except maybe the preacher, pimping her.

Sharmuta, I agree, at this point, she is in need of professional, extra strength help.

836 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:49:49pm

re: #816 BigPapa

I read it. You said 'subtly racist' because Flyer said 'of course' since blacks and eggheads voted for him. I asked what was racist about it.

Reading up thread won't answer my question, I was hoping you would.

The man carried states not taken since 1964 by a Democrat. It wasn't even a race. Gore and Kerry didn't even come *close* to carrying the sates he did. It was a blowout.

837 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:49:59pm

re: #804 Conservative Moonbat

When I was her age I was into aleister crowley just to try and get a reaction from my parents. DIdn't get one but I did get board with it.

She is not going to get bored.

838 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:52:34pm

re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote

She is not going to get bored.

This poor girl is going to get "love-bombed" until she doesn't know which end is up.
[Link: www.rationalrevelation.com...]

839 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:53:41pm

re: #810 Conservative Moonbat

Am I the only one who thinks she's going to just grow up and get over it?

I sure as hell hope so for her sake, but the story to this point looks grim.

At the risk of using inflammatory rhetoric, I'd say that she's been mind-raped by a very callous and exploitative group, and it may be a long time coming before she gets over it.

840 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:53:46pm

re: #838 jaunte

This poor girl is going to get "love-bombed" until she doesn't know which end is up.
[Link: www.rationalrevelation.com...]

Concur. It's a standard cult tactic.

841 Gus  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:54:02pm

If this had happened outside of the "religious atmosphere" there would have been a lot more going on judicially besides family court.

842 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:54:04pm

re: #834 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that was the idea.

Ahhh OK I got the referent they were trying to make...

It goes like this.

The story of Esther, the real one, she saves the Jewish people from getting killed in plot to kill them all. She saves the Jews of the kingdom from death. She incidentally was Jewish herself and married to the king.

So,

Dobson is saying that this girl will save the Muslims from hell.

And is thus like Esther.

Right. It's a bit warped, but she's supposed to save her people, like Esther, but this time it's by bringing them to Jesus.

843 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:54:04pm

re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16
It's a shame she didn't read the last part of the quote; she's certainly amidst the wolves.

844 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:56:03pm

From looking up Lynn Vincent and her articles online, it appears to me that we are unlikely to find instances where she lacks decorum, at least for her world.

She is though very religious and very partisan, and though she is sometimes referred to as a "reporter" she does seem to lack objectivity.

Which means she is unlikely to have challenged Sarah Palin on any of Palin's claims.

845 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:56:26pm

re: #804 Conservative Moonbat

When I was her age I was into aleister crowley just to try and get a reaction from my parents. DIdn't get one but I did get board with it.

The best thing about the occult is the music m/

846 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:56:43pm

re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote

She is not going to get bored.

Her handlers, are not going to let her get bored.

847 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:57:07pm

re: #836 austin_blue

The man carried states not taken since 1964 by a Democrat. It wasn't even a race. Gore and Kerry didn't even come *close* to carrying the sates he did. It was a blowout.

And you continue to not answer the question at hand and talk about other things. At this point I don't care who carried what state when; you said a poster here was 'subtly racist' and I've asked you repeatedly why it was racist, subtly or otherwise.

Racism is a serious charge and not to be bandied around lightly. Will you back up the assertion or let the subtle smear stand?

848 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:57:17pm

re: #845 WindUpBird

The best thing about the occult is the music m/

Everybody knows the best bands are affiliated with Satan.

849 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:57:27pm

Well, I've never been exposed to that kind of experience so I really have no idea what's going on in her head. I was raised an atheist so paganism was rebellion. I realize that's different from going from one religion to another.

850 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:59:09pm

She should be sent to live with Buddhists.

851 jaunte  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:59:48pm

Goodnight all. Keep an eye out.

A soul without watchfulness is, like a city without walls, exposed to the inroads of all its enemies.
--Thomas Secker

852 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:00:04pm

Because whens the last time you heard of a fanatical Buddhist?

853 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:02:08pm

re: #852 Sharmuta

Because whens the last time you heard of a fanatical Buddhist?

The monks who burned themselves in South Vietnam come to mind.

854 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:02:46pm

re: #852 Sharmuta

Because whens the last time you heard of a fanatical Buddhist?

What about those Fallon Gong people or whatever they are called that China is always cracking down on?

855 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:02:53pm

re: #853 Dark_Falcon

I'm just saying- it's pretty rare.

856 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:02:59pm

re: #846 Floral Giraffe

Now, here's an icky thought.
She has "handlers" like those young "beauty queens" have handlers.
And a cosmetics staff.
I think I just grossed myself out!

857 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:03:15pm

So an adult male has an internet correspondence with an underage, minor girl which leads her to runaway from home and into his arms, and the best the wingnuts can muster up for this story is "muslims baaad".

WTF is wrong with people? This has got "To Catch a Predator" written all over it.

858 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:03:18pm

re: #646 LudwigVanQuixote

You know Illuminati from Steve Jackson?!?!

INWO forever! I played so much INWO in college... usually the Network or the Discordians.

859 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:03:20pm

re: #854 Conservative Moonbat

They crack down on everybody.

860 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:03:58pm

re: #847 BigPapa

And you continue to not answer the question at hand and talk about other things. At this point I don't care who carried what state when; you said a poster here was 'subtly racist' and I've asked you repeatedly why it was racist, subtly or otherwise.

Racism is a serious charge and not to be bandied around lightly. Will you back up the assertion or let the subtle smear stand?

I'll let it stand on its own. And be comfortable doing so. Obama was not elected by Darkies and Eggheads. He was elected by the majority of the voters in this country. Nuff said.

I'll take the hits for being rude.

861 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:04:46pm

re: #857 Slumbering Behemoth

Was she really cute?
///
It's a fantasy, only!
You wouldn't do this.

862 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:05:45pm

re: #848 Lawrior

Everybody knows the best bands are affiliated with Satan.

Either Satan, or Crowley, or Austin Osman Spare, or Anton LaVey...Keep music evil!

863 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:06:21pm

re: #862 WindUpBird


Slayer are best.

864 freetoken  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:07:15pm

Probably going into the overnight spin-offs:

Mickey Kaus: Fears of Glenn Beck-inspired violence are legit

Kaus had written earlier:

I hate to say it,** but doesn't Nancy Pelosi have a point when she worries about a rhetorical "climate" in which violence might take place? A few years ago, I fretted that crazies on the angry left might turn violent. These days, I've heard enough scary stories from conservative friends to justify worrying about the angry right. It only takes one or two people to make a mess, and the way opposition to Obama is phrased will obviously have something to do with how many, if any, nutters come out of the woodwork. Glenn Beck, the recent times I've listened to him, puts his Obama criticism in an apocalyptic framework--as if Obama is staging some sort of coup-- that might seem to justify violence (despite Beck's own disclaimers) if you happened to be a very disenchanted person with weapons lying around.

Righteously denouncing Beck only enhances his appeal, of course--better to deal with "root causes." But Pelosi's hardly crazy to worry. ...

865 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:09:58pm

re: #863 Lawrior

"listens to stoner doom death space prog metal"
OK, I listen to a lot of metal, and I ain't never heard of all of those subs tossed together in one band. Example? Mastodon is the only thing that I can think of that comes close.

866 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:10:20pm

re: #847 BigPapa

And you continue to not answer the question at hand and talk about other things. At this point I don't care who carried what state when; you said a poster here was 'subtly racist' and I've asked you repeatedly why it was racist, subtly or otherwise.

Racism is a serious charge and not to be bandied around lightly. Will you back up the assertion or let the subtle smear stand?

There are a couple reasons why I've always tried to be very careful before throwing words like "racist" around, especially in heated political discussions where it is easy to say things in anger. Besides being a serious accusation, throwing it around casually provides cover for actual racists, as in "liberals always cry racism so they must be doing the same thing here..." I think Austin Blue is damaging the cause he seeks to further. Not good especially in light of what has been happening regarding some of Obama's detractors.

867 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:10:36pm

Crap, I meant re: #862 WindUpBird
PIMF

868 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:11:02pm

re: #863 Lawrior

Slayer are best.

I wore out my copies of Seasons and South of Heaven in high school! Still haven't seen them live, which makes me sad.

869 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:11:42pm

re: #828 Sharmuta

Is she supposed to deliver the muslims to Jesus?

That's my impression--the Muslims (Haman) want to kill the Christains (Jews), but Rifqa (Esther) has been sent to prevent this, not by marrying a Muslim king, I assumebut by somehow influencing God to win over the Muslims.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

870 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:13:41pm

And I bid you all good night, Lizards. Sweet dreams, and a better day tomorrow than you had today.

871 Flyers1974  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:13:46pm

re: #860 austin_blue

I'll let it stand on its own. And be comfortable doing so. Obama was not elected by Darkies and Eggheads. He was elected by the majority of the voters in this country. Nuff said.

I'll take the hits for being rude.

That's not rude, that's projecting. And false drama.

872 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:13:49pm

re: #869 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah- it's warped, but that's the only way it makes any sense, imo.

873 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:14:23pm

re: #868 WindUpBird

Yeah, you should change that. When I saw them last year, they they played for 50 minutes, then played Reign in Blood start to finish. They might have played something after that, but I didn't stick around. My head had already exploded by that point.

874 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:15:36pm

re: #856 Floral Giraffe

Now, here's an icky thought.
She has "handlers" like those young "beauty queens" have handlers.
And a cosmetics staff.
I think I just grossed myself out!

That would go with the Esther story. I just hope the leader of this church, and Lord knows I use the word here loosely, doesn't fancy himself as Achashvarosh.

875 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:15:58pm

Imagine, if you will, a mirror image.

A teen-aged girl from a christian family secretly converts to islam, and begins talking over the internet with an adult male muslim who holds a prominent position at his local mosque.

She runs away from home, with the help of her adult internet buddy, and hides out with him and his coreligionists.

Convince me, if you can, that the current wingnuts who are bending over backwards to make excuses for this situation that Rifqa's handlers have put her in now, would not be going apeshit, tripping over themselves to scream "Internet Predator" and "Child Molester".

876 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:16:53pm

re: #865 Lawrior

"listens to stoner doom death space prog metal"
OK, I listen to a lot of metal, and I ain't never heard of all of those subs tossed together in one band. Example? Mastodon is the only thing that I can think of that comes close.

Heh, I'm just mashing up everything I like. :D And that definitely includes Mastodon. Also stuff like Cynic, Death, Ulver, Solefald, The Faceless, Voivod, Tiamat, Killing Joke, Isis, Neurosis, Agalloch, Katatonia, Solitude Aeturnus, Floater, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, and on and on. Just creative and atmospheric metal, basically.

877 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:17:00pm

re: #863 Lawrior

Slayer was the best. They are retiring. :(

878 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:17:01pm

re: #872 Sharmuta

Yeah- it's warped, but that's the only way it makes any sense, imo.

I think Ludvig's interpretation is better than mine.

879 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:18:20pm

I'm also going to head to bed. Goodnight all.

880 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:18:30pm

re: #878 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Ludvig's interpretation is better than mine.

Honestly, trying to translate the Meghilla through the eyes of crazy, is anyone's guess.

881 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:18:59pm

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

Imagine, if you will, a mirror image.

A teen-aged girl from a christian family secretly converts to islam, and begins talking over the internet with an adult male muslim who holds a prominent position at his local mosque.

She runs away from home, with the help of her adult internet buddy, and hides out with him and his coreligionists.

Convince me, if you can, that the current wingnuts who are bending over backwards to make excuses for this situation that Rifqa's handlers have put her in now, would not be going apeshit, tripping over themselves to scream "Internet Predator" and "Child Molester".

Ain't no doubt.

But these folks are not interested in even-handedness. They believe that their religion is the true one, and Islam is Satanic.

882 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:19:35pm

re: #880 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, trying to translate the Meghilla through the eyes of crazy, is anyone's guess.

LOL.

883 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:19:45pm

re: #858 WindUpBird

INWO forever! I played so much INWO in college... usually the Network or the Discordians.

Ohhh yeah... I was always servants of Cthulu. Just because I liked Lovecraft.

884 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:20:05pm

re: #876 WindUpBird

Nice! If you can find 31:13 by Cardinale, I HIGHLY recommend it. Actually, Relapse has it in their online store.
Full Disclosure: I'm friends with one of the guitarists.

885 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:20:16pm

re: #876 WindUpBird

Heh, I'm just mashing up everything I like. :D And that definitely includes Mastodon. Also stuff like Cynic, Death, Ulver, Solefald, The Faceless, Voivod, Tiamat, Killing Joke, Isis, Neurosis, Agalloch, Katatonia, Solitude Aeturnus, Floater, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, and on and on. Just creative and atmospheric metal, basically.

Tell me you're a female, without lying. It would make my world complete. :)

BTW, did you check out that link I gave you the other day. You may well dig it too, Lawrior.

886 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:21:24pm

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

Imagine, if you will, a mirror image.

A teen-aged girl from a christian family secretly converts to islam, and begins talking over the internet with an adult male muslim who holds a prominent position at his local mosque.

She runs away from home, with the help of her adult internet buddy, and hides out with him and his coreligionists.

Convince me, if you can, that the current wingnuts who are bending over backwards to make excuses for this situation that Rifqa's handlers have put her in now, would not be going apeshit, tripping over themselves to scream "Internet Predator" and "Child Molester".

They would all be demanding the child be sent home to her parents.

887 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:21:44pm

re: #858 WindUpBird

INWO forever! I played so much INWO in college... usually the Network or the Discordians.

One game I had China, Germany and NY along with the NSA... It was completely unfair.

888 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:23:16pm

re: #877 Slumbering Behemoth

NEVER!


OK, maybe. They have been together for 20+ years.

On the other hand, they have a new album coming out in November. Hopefully, they'll just keep on recording and touring as they see fit.

889 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:23:21pm

I have to get to bed. Night all.

890 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:24:42pm

re: #886 Sharmuta

They would all be demanding the child be sent home to her parents.

All while throwing in "Kidnapper", "Pedophile", and so on into the mix. Don't get me wrong (I know you won't, Sharm, 'cuz you know me), I am not even remotely an apologist for the great and repetitive evil that is committed in the name of Allah, but this situation is bring out some serious hypocrites.

891 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:25:55pm

re: #885 Slumbering Behemoth

Tell me you're a female, without lying. It would make my world complete. :)

BTW, did you check out that link I gave you the other day. You may well dig it too, Lawrior.

Sadly, I am a dude. :D And I have checked it out, that's a great resource! I'm slowly combing through the bands there for what the Zune pass has.

892 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:27:03pm

re: #888 Lawrior

Sorry hessian. It looks like this is the last album, and the last tour.

I also wish it weren't true.

893 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:27:15pm

re: #885 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed I do appreciate that.

And while WindUpBird might not be female, my girlfriend is, and she loves Neurosis, Isis, Pelican, and, thankfully, me. Her sister pushed us together because we both had Neurosis hoodies and Iron Maiden troopers.

894 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:28:32pm

re: #893 Lawrior

What's her sister like? Single? Good looking?

895 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:30:26pm

re: #894 Slumbering Behemoth

Married and not into metal at all. Sorry bud.
Em & I have decided that we are somehow going to get Neurosis to play after the rehearsal dinner. Both sets of parents need to be exposed to that.

896 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:32:21pm

Goodnight, dear scaly lizards!
Keep fighting the good fight.
Or pun it to death!
See you soon, take care!

897 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:38:15pm

re: #891 WindUpBird

I've mail ordered a lot of hard to find stuff from that website, and they have never failed to deliver. I trust that site.

Besides, try and find an Acid King disc at your local record store. Bet you can't.

/and if you live in a town where you can, then I fucking hate you...

898 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:43:46pm

re: #860 austin_blue

I'll let it stand on its own. And be comfortable doing so. Obama was not elected by Darkies and Eggheads. He was elected by the majority of the voters in this country. Nuff said.

That's amateur. You'll let a hollow smear stand on it's own and follow it up with a Rush style sarco snype then topped off with a resounding two word assertion. I expect more of a Lizard.

899 Girth  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:11:56am

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

Imagine, if you will, a mirror image.

A teen-aged girl from a christian family secretly converts to islam, and begins talking over the internet with an adult male muslim who holds a prominent position at his local mosque.

She runs away from home, with the help of her adult internet buddy, and hides out with him and his coreligionists.

Convince me, if you can, that the current wingnuts who are bending over backwards to make excuses for this situation that Rifqa's handlers have put her in now, would not be going apeshit, tripping over themselves to scream "Internet Predator" and "Child Molester".

The problem is that we're not dealing with rational people here. I have an aunt and uncle currently visiting that I love dearly but IMHO their lives are controlled by what they believe to the point that they can't use reason on a lot of things. This story is one thing that I can't bring myself to bring up, even though I desperately want to want to hear the train wreck that is their opinion on it. They believe that all muslims are evil and I know that they would do anything they could personally to keep this girl away from her family. If the situation were reversed, it would not be pretty at all.

900 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:33:17am
So quick did their writing progress that the publisher announced yesterday that the 400-page memoir’s release date, originally scheduled for spring, has been moved up to Nov. 17, with an e-book version following on Dec. 26.

Well, that's good news. The idea that a ghost-written book would have as much as six months slop in completion date is ludicrous - one reason for using a ghost writer is to ensure that publisher's deadlines are met, especially for political books that have a distinctly limited window of appeal.

What this statement is saying to me is that Palin's burn rate has been judged to be too high to wait until spring for publication, and that release has been moved up to "as soon as possible" in order to cash in on her current high profile before it begins to collapse and fade out of public consciousness.

901 Bob Levin  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:00:35am

I've actually skimmed through about 900 posts, and I don't recall this particular take on the situation--so here it is. I think the Palins quickly found themselves with more legal bills than their incomes, with the legal bills growing and the incomes not. She was approached to write a book, and would thus be able to pay lawyers, who have a way of wanting to be paid. Perhaps a lawyer set her up with Vincent. Palin's first question--have you done this before. Her SECOND question, how fast can you do this? The answer was obviously pretty darned fast. Now think for a second how you would react if you suddenly were hit with these legal bills without the income to cover it. Remember, the Palins aren't multimillionaires. Those bringing the lawsuits tried to force her from office.

Now lets speculate about what is probably in the book: 1) Discord in the McCain camp, more than we thought. It was probably a contentious and disorganized lot. I can't see McCain as a a CEO type. 2) rebuttals regarding the press coverage, the blogging coverage, the rumors 3) a little dirt on McCain staffers 4) an attempted re-do of the Couric interviews 5) and, if she were interested in continuing in politics, some policy beliefs, the need for Alaskan energy being the cornerstone. And 6) why she resigned in the first place. None of this would be unexpected. If she was going to retire from public life, big revelation. More sales.

The question is whether there will be more, whether there will be any of the Glenn Beck rants at lower decibels, any of the social conservatism that serves as a facade for other, more nefarious beliefs, whether the beliefs of The Other McCain find footing in this book. I don't know. What is clear, this book by Palin will be THE book on Palin. There should be no more speculation on the type of person she is, whether she could advance to a higher office--all of this will be answered in the book and in the subsequent dealings with the press that she will face on the book tour.

902 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:06:13am

re: #564 Conservative Moonbat

If it had Been McCain-Ridge I'd have voted for it.

Now one of my favorite Republican politicians, Charlie Christ, has become persona non grata when he was considered presidential material a couple years ago.

I blame the club for growth more than anything.

My dad was really hoping for McCain-Crist. I was hoping for McCain-Giuliani, but knew he couldn't pick anybody pro-choice or the entire "base" would go into meltdown.

They went into meltdown anyway...

903 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:10:52am

re: #780 Charles

Listen to the tape of Rifqa Bary until the point where she starts praying. You're not going to believe this.

The jury's still out for me on whether she is suffering serious mental illness or is just playing these fools like a cheap kazoo.

904 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:18:21am

re: #864 freetoken

Probably going into the overnight spin-offs:

Mickey Kaus: Fears of Glenn Beck-inspired violence are legit

Kaus had written earlier:

I don't watch Beck's show on tv. Rarely, I will listen to his radio show if I am in the car flipping through stations. Yesterday I listened to Beck for a few minutes and he actually said: (and I paraphrase) ... 'if the president where shot , I would jump in front and take the bullet for him.' He went on to say that we have to respect the office of the presidency. He mentioned that he thought any talk of assassination is really stupid and harmful. Anyway. Take of it what you will.

905 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:18:55am

Wasn't gonna read it anyway...

906 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:32:37am
“[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us.”

Vomit.

Apparently, the right wing is actively trying to drive away anyone who isn't a proudly ignorant bigot. They're doing an admirable job.

907 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:03:49am
908 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:16:47am

Sarah's lectures a tough sell

Her inability to answer the simple question about what she reads on a regular basis continues to haunt her.

909 krm  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:36:45am

I know Lynn. She is not an extremist. She is an editor at a conservative Christian publication, and thus gets hired for writing assignments by people with conservative related leanings. Some of those people may be more or less fringe.

910 Liberal Classic  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:41:43am

re: #907 weimdog02

It's like claims that Ayers wrote Obama's books are being used to excuse Palin's association with Vincent.

911 AtadOFF  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:37am

re: #38 Charles

How does anything in that article make her an extremist?

912 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:32:44am

If you use LGF to promote the conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's books you're going to lose your account. I've completely had it with this nonsense.

913 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:38:41am

re: #911 AtadOFF

How does anything in that article make her an extremist?

Well, you could start with the title: "Black Genocide." Or you could look at the fact that the second article I linked promotes radical creationist theocrats like Philip Johnson.

914 medaura18586  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:39:52am

re: #288 theheat

Someone a lot like herself, maybe?

I remember last fall I thought I chalked up some kind of down-ding record for my Palin posts (sorry, Cato, but I think I have you beat). I can't describe the warm fuzzy feeling I have, that she's showing herself to be everything I knew she was, back when I said she was another token fundie trotted out to appease the far right.

"Once you know the nature of something, you know what it's capable of."

Last fall, people didn't want to see her for what she is. Now they have no choice. Everything she has done and said confirm exactly what I thought about her. She hasn't lost me as a fan, because she never had me.

The Jindals, Bachmanns, Palins, Huckabees, Perrys - they're all the same people. Some just happen to squat to pee. And it will be a cold day in hell when I pull the lever at the ballot box for any one of them.

Yes! Yes! and Yes! My record was -45 downdings for a Palin comment by the way. How do we compare? That the majority of Republicans were ever fooled by this woman and most of them still are is the most problematic issue of all. Without a sensitive bullshitometer, the Right is doomed---ready to be suckered by the next fundamentalist prophet.

915 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:38am
916 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:46:38am

re: #909 krm

Unbelievable. You're using a sock puppet account to post a comment that Lynn Vincent isn't an extremist -- and your previous account was blocked because you were actually defending the neo-Nazi British National Party.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Bye again.

917 philosophus invidius  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:56:38am

I guess we now know a little more about what "real America" is.

918 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:17am

Each thread is almost like a the Thriller video:

Starts off cool and cute like a high school kid and his pretty pursuit, then BAM, the kookspiracy zombies show up after dark.

Except there's no cool dancing choreography at the end. Just some zombie splatting.

919 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:58:41am

I am not concerned with the idea that Governor Palin had help with writing her book or about the views of the person who assisted her. She did not conceal the fact that she had help. The book is going to be about Governor Palin and will only contain the views of Governor Palin.

For all of Senator McCain's other faults, I will be forever grateful to him for launching the national political career of Governor Palin. She is the the one person who can most effectively return the Republican Party to the conservative values that have made the United States the greatest country in history.

920 medaura18586  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:07:55am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

Ultimately the blame falls on McCain. He never should have nominated her for the VP slot. She's an idiot and he couldn't manage her. It was a disaster on so many levels.

You have Bill Kristol to thank for her nomination. I know it from a reliable source.

921 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:17am
She is the the one person who can most effectively return the Republican Party to the conservative values that have made the United States the greatest country in history.

Could you elaborate? Thanks.

922 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:18:37am

re: #921 Chekote
Could you elaborate? Thanks.

Sure. Just to contrast her with Senator McCain, he suspended his campaign and went running back to Washington DC, to pander to the media created crisis that could only be solved by hurriedly passing a bill to spend billions of dollars on nothing. Governor Palin would never have allowed herself to be stampeded in that way. On a personal level she is a small-town, grass roots, traditional values person who just fits with the broad spectrum of the electorate. She is not an Ivy League effete snob who goes around pronouncing Genghis Khan as jen-jiss.

923 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #919 scrubjay

She is the the one person who can most effectively return the Republican Party to the conservative values that have made the United States the greatest country in history.

You mean, conservative values like quitting in the middle of her elected term as governor?

924 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:21:40am
Governor Palin would never have allowed herself to be stampeded in that way.

I mean this in the most respectful way. Palin allowed 20 frivolous complaints to stampede her out of office. What makes you think she would have not the same?

925 philosophus invidius  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:24:19am

re: #919 scrubjay

She is the the one person who can most effectively return the Republican Party to the conservative values that have made the United States the greatest country in history.

Why are you insinuating that America is not great?

926 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #923 Charles
re: #924 Chekote

She was acting in the best interest of the State of Alaska. A problem with the ethics law was that it allowed people to continually snipe at her for an unlimited number of silly objections, such as a picture of her holding an Alaska salmon on a personal vacation as evidence of her somehow being in cahoots with the fishing industry. The state was required to defend her from all of the attacks which have all been dismissed. The distraction took away from the time that she would have otherwise been using to govern. I respect her for acting in the best interest of her state.

927 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:28:24am
She is the the one person who can most effectively return the Republican Party to the conservative values that have made the United States the greatest country in history.

What do you mean by conservative values? Please be specific.

928 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:22am

re: #926 scrubjay

re: #924 Chekote

She was acting in the best interest of the State of Alaska. A problem with the ethics law was that it allowed people to continually snipe at her for an unlimited number of silly objections, such as a picture of her holding an Alaska salmon on a personal vacation as evidence of her somehow being in cahoots with the fishing industry. The state was required to defend her from all of the attacks which have all been dismissed. The distraction took away from the time that she would have otherwise been using to govern. I respect her for acting in the best interest of her state.

Oh, I see. It was "distracting," so she needed to quit.

And what do you think would happen if she ever were to be elected President?

The "sniping," as you call it, would make her experiences in Alaska look like a walk in the park.

929 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:28am

re: #927 Chekote
What do you mean by conservative values? Please be specific.

That the defense of individual liberty is the principle function of government and that and laissez-faire capitalism is the only economic system consistent with individual liberty. That the United States acts to defend people all over the world from tyranny. That we have nothing to apologize about to the namby-pamby European socialist states for the idea the purpose of living is the pursuit of happiness; not to serve the purposes of the state.

930 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:36:26am
She was acting in the best interest of the State of Alaska.

The same could be said about McCain suspending his campaign. What if she gets elected and her opponents are successful in appointing a special prosecutor as it has been the case with most presidents recently, is she going to quit for the benefit of the country?

I am going to have to have this discussion on another thread. My computer gets very slow after the 500 mark.

931 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:38:45am

re: #928 Charles
And what do you think would happen if she ever were to be elected President?

It was not an act of weakness that lead her to resign as governor. The opposition has chosen the loophole in the ethics law as a vehicle to destroy her by the death of a thousand cuts. She moved their cheese.

932 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:39:45am

re: #931 scrubjay

It was not an act of weakness that lead her to resign as governor. The opposition has chosen the loophole in the ethics law as a vehicle to destroy her by the death of a thousand cuts. She moved their cheese.

Right.

933 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:40:00am

re: #929 scrubjay

Good list. However, I don't see anything that Palin has done to support your assertion that she would fight or represent said values.

934 Chekote  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:41am

re: #931 scrubjay

Why not stay and fight to close the loophole? Besides, the ethics law that was used against her was cited as one of her achievements during the campaign.

Too slow. Later.

935 scrubjay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:47:06am

re: #933 Chekote
However, I don't see anything that Palin has done to support your assertion that she would fight or represent said values.

True. As governor she hasn't been in a position to demonstrate anything on a state level that would relate to national issues. But since that time she has been confronting President Obama on the health care bill. I guess we will have to wait for the book.

936 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 5:52:43pm
937 greensoccer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:27:19pm

She is photogenic and attractive. Personally I don't like it when people use a photograph taken at an unfortunate moment in time as part of tearing the person down as they did so often with President Bush and then used it to promote the idea that he looked like a chimp and therefore was stupid.
And I don't see people doing it with President Obama, and his family, and to do it to one party and not do it to the other party is unfair, plain and simple. People are human. Real life is not the movies where every moment can be edited and controlled and redone including sounds in the background. Journalists should exercise some self control at acting petty and vindictive regarding their personal bias. The message that comes across to me is not that she is less but that the person who chose the picture is hostile, and hostility is not an attractive feature. Just saying.

938 verybadcat  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:00:11pm

Charles -- your lead argument against Palin is that she is associating with someone (Vincent) who has co-authored with someone (McCain) who has associated with neo-Nazis?

Seems pretty tenuous . . .


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