Fisking Spencer

OpinionOctober 2009 • Views: 2,571

Little Bulldogs has an excellent post exposing the relentless anti-Muslim bigotry of the owner of Jihad Watch: Fisking Robert Spencer.

I wrote on Monday how MPACUK was trying to turn the peaceful praying of a few thousand Muslims at Capitol Hill into a political event. Now it’s the turn of the other side. Robert Spencer has written a piece about the event trying desperately to spin it into something it wasn’t. Spencer’s point is to claim that the event was a “missed opportunity” at which the organisers should have spent their time denouncing terrorism. He tries very hard to make us believe that they didn’t because they don’t disagree with terrorism and that, in fact, they want to impose Sharia Law on the United States. Here is a fisking of the main points from the article…

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:32:13am

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:32:46am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

You pretty much hit it on the head there.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:32:48am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

Bill Cosby?

bofhell Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:34:20am

It's so comforting to know Yellow Journalism is not dead.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:34:29am

re: #3 Walter L. Newton

Bill Cosby?

SMACK!

Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:35:01am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

Whew... I needed that.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:36:24am

Could somebody remind the photographers to take pictures of muslims praying together from the side or the front? Please? It was a serious occasion, but it makes it hard to keep a straight face.

MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:36:42am

I've clearly been in the IT business for too long, as I read the title and thought "yes, Spenser really needs a file system check done on himself".

jaunte Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:37:39am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

He continues to insist that Muslims prove a negative, which gives him a continuing source of discontent and subject matter.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:38:16am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

The Left.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:39:11am

re: #10 rwdflynavy

The Left.

Correct. Have an upding.

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:39:38am

re: #8 MrSilverDragon

I've clearly been in the IT business for too long, as I read the title and thought "yes, Spenser really needs a file system check done on himself".

inode that.

Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:39:50am

"In conclusion, Spencer bemoans the lack of any specific denunciation because for him Muslims are all about terrorism. They must denounce it every time they gather or else they support it."

Isn't this considered circular logic?

Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:41:23am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

Rodan?

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:41:43am

I hadn't stumbled across Little Bulldogs before. Thanks for the link.

drogheda Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:41:44am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

The far Right.

Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:42:09am

Interesting blog. They have some other decent articles too.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:42:53am

Don't have time to go back into the Spencer book which I have (to gather and cite examples), but ... while valuing the data which it provided ... I distinctly recall getting a feeling of unease regarding possible bias on the author's part. My interest was academic, trying to ferret out non-controversial historical facts regarding Mohammed's life. I recall thinking something like, "this book sounds like a rant".

/suspicions confirmed

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:43:13am

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

Rodan?

re: #16 drogheda

The far Right.

Both correct, though number 16 would also incorporate number 15..

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #18 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When I read the one book of his that I have, I kept thinking, "He doesn't write very well."

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #20 wrenchwench

When I read the one book of his that I have, I kept thinking, "He doesn't write very well."

That too.
That probably contributed to my subjective reaction.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:47:32am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Both correct, though number 16 would also incorporate number 15..

True, very true. Wingnuts and moonbats do seem to be very similar. Spencer fits in best with the wingnut category. I just felt Rodan needed "special" mention. LOL!

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

Palin? Rush? Beck?

Hamas?

The Hezzies?

Dobson?

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:48:49am

I first misread that as "Fisting."

Ew.

Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:49:01am

Tim Blair has completely lost it. Now he's actually claiming that I was a Birther once, because when the story first came out, I reported it here at LGF. And that's despite the fact that I later added a very clear disavowal to the post!

What a scumbag he's turned out to be. Here's the post he cherry-picked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:49:10am

re: #24 Mad Al-Jaffee

I first misread that as "Fisting."

Ew.

You have a dirty mind...

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:49:25am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To Spencer, if you don't speak the words he wants to hear, you're an enemy, regardless of what you actually say and believe. Now who does that remind you of?

Well, actually a lot of people. Actually listening to people requires effort.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:50:03am

re: #24 Mad Al-Jaffee

I first misread that as "Fisting."

Ew.

Paging Congressman Frank...

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:51:05am

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

re: #24 Mad Al-Jaffee

Smacks all around.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:51:39am

re: #25 Charles

Tim Blair has completely lost it. Now he's actually claiming that I was a Birther once, because when the story first came out, I reported it here at LGF. And that's despite the fact that I later added a very clear disavowal to the post!

What a scumbag he's turned out to be. Here's the post he cherry-picked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You?

You a birther?

You from the get go, said this was crap.

What I really don't get about the far right whack jobs is how fluid their memory seems to be. They really do smugly believe that people have memories that last less than one week. It is the only explanation for how frequently they can change their stories, make shit up, and then assume no-one will notice.

Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:51:54am

CounterJihad chick of the day...
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

An Indian farmer’s daughter disarmed a terrorist leader who broke into her home, attacked him with an axe and shot him dead with his own gun.

Nice.

Kragar Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #25 Charles

Tim Blair has completely lost it. Now he's actually claiming that I was a Birther once, because when the story first came out, I reported it here at LGF. And that's despite the fact that I later added a very clear disavowal to the post!

What a scumbag he's turned out to be. Here's the post he cherry-picked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What a dick.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:29am

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

Palin? Rush? Beck?

Hamas?

The Hezzies?

Dobson?

Not sure on Palin, sometimes with Rush, and absolutely correct on Beck.

Those last three aren't even in question, they routinely commit the two-valued orientation logical fallacy.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:38am

re: #25 Charles

Birther!!
/

KingKenrod Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:49am

Most of the muslim denunciations of terrorism I hear contain the caveat about stopping Israeli terrorism against Palestinians. That caveat weakens any anti-terror statement and offers a subtle defense of terrorist acts by suggesting it all starts with the US support of Israel.

I don't agree with Spencer that muslims should be expected to denounce terrorism any time more than 2 of them gather together, but I think they could do a lot better.

jaunte Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:49am

Blair is descending to the level of a stalker blog.

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:52:56am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Farmer's daughter? Is that some kind of joke?!

Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:53:01am

Watch -- this is going to be the new tactic the freak show blogs will try to use to discredit me. They'll pick through my archives looking for posts that "prove" how much I've changed.

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:53:15am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

CounterJihad chick of the day...
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

Nice.

Awesome story. That makes my day.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:53:27am

re: #25 Charles

Sounds about 3 miles the other side of desperate.

CommonCents Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:53:47am

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Paging Congressman Frank...

If the glove fits.

drogheda Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:53:48am

re: #37 Mad Al-Jaffee

Farmer's daughter? Is that some kind of joke?!

Get out of my mind!

Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:54:01am

I think we all looked into the Nirth Certifikit stuff to some degree. It would have been stupid to not investigate it when the story first came out.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:54:02am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

CounterJihad chick of the day...
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

Nice.

I saw that yesterday on NRO and loved it. That's a very public vote for woman's lib right there. For once in my life I'll say:

You Go Girl!

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #38 Charles

Watch -- this is going to be the new tactic the freak show blogs will try to use to discredit me. They'll pick through my archives looking for posts that "prove" how much I've changed.

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

I noticed the search function requires log-in now.
Next open enrollment, expect a lot of socks.

Kragar Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I think we all looked into the Nirth Certifikit stuff to some degree. It would have been stupid to not investigate it when the story first came out.

So you're another Birther too! So what happened KT? Obama pay you off?

///

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:55:37am

re: #36 jaunte

Blair is descending to the level of a stalker blog.

Don't worry. At the rate he's digging, he'll be China's problem by next week.

omahadad Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:55:39am

Of course, to claim an event held at the Capitol isn't intended to be political is ridiculous on its face, but that's beside the point. Spencer's expectation for every Muslim gathering to begin with a denunciation of terrorism is as absurd as the expectation for every Republican to go on the record denouncing "birtherism" or for every Christian to state publicly that they are against teaching creationism in public schools.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #38 Charles

Watch -- this is going to be the new tactic the freak show blogs will try to use to discredit me. They'll pick through my archives looking for posts that "prove" how much I've changed.

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

Just you wait! All those supertanker posts will be used as proof that you were for AGW before you were against it.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I think we all looked into the Nirth Certifikit stuff to some degree. It would have been stupid to not investigate it when the story first came out.

The time to stop was when he produced a legal certification of birth certified by the state of Hawaii that he was born in a US state. Some people didn't get the memo.

vetpox Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:56:32am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

You're so subtle.

Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #48 omahadad

Here we go.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:57:10am

re: #25 Charles

Tim Blair has completely lost it. Now he's actually claiming that I was a Birther once, because when the story first came out, I reported it here at LGF. And that's despite the fact that I later added a very clear disavowal to the post!

What a scumbag he's turned out to be. Here's the post he cherry-picked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Tim Blair is indeed a scumbag. I think we all took notice when the birth certificate issue came to the fore, before the election, during the primaries. We all later found it to be false and misleading, and dropped the issue. By the time of the election, only die hard birthers were peddling that nonsense, including Jones and Corsi. Later on, it seemed to become a fad among parts of the right, after Obama was elected, but not here. Birthers have been banned after being told to knock it off. Tim Blair has his head in the sand and has not been paying any attention to LGF over the past six months.

Kragar Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:57:10am

re: #50 EmmmieG

The time to stop was when he produced a legal certification of birth certified by the state of Hawaii that he was born in a US state. Some people didn't get the memo.

Maybe we should get Dan Rather and Mary Mapes to track it down. They're good with memos.

Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:57:22am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I followed the story up to the point where Kos published the Nirth Certifikit. Shortly after that it was clearly a dead story.

CommonCents Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:57:48am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

CounterJihad chick of the day...
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

Nice.

Rukhsana Kausar, 21, was with her parents and brother in Jammu and Kashmir when three gunmen, believed to be Pakistani militants, forced their way in and demanded food and beds for the night.

Their house in Shahdra Sharief, Rajouri district, is about 20 miles from the ceasefire line between Indian and Pakistani forces.

It is close to dense forests known as hiding places for fighters from the Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which carried out the Mumbai terrorist attack last November.

Militants often demand food and lodging in nearby villages.

When they forced their way into Miss Kausar’s home, her father Noor Mohammad refused their demands and was attacked.

His daughter was hiding under a bed when she heard him crying as the gunmen thrashed him with sticks. According to police, she ran towards her father’s attacker and struck him with an axe. As he collapsed, she snatched his AK47 and shot him dead.

She also shot and wounded another militant as he made his escape.

Police have hailed the woman’s bravery.

They said she would be nominated for the president’s gallantry award.

Rukhsana ? I wonder if that's like Roxanne in Indian. Excellent name.

vxbush Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe we should get Dan Rather and Mary Mapes to track it down. They're good with memos.

*spew*

Cleanup on my aisle...

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #50 EmmmieG

The time to stop was when he produced a legal certification of birth certified by the state of Hawaii that he was born in a US state. Some people didn't get the memo.

They were probably hoping Charles would prove it false with a "throbbing nirth certifat"

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:58:38am

re: #38 Charles

Watch -- this is going to be the new tactic the freak show blogs will try to use to discredit me. They'll pick through my archives looking for posts that "prove" how much I've changed.

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

Charles, just an observation.

I am not saying that you have changed at all. You've always been a thoughtful type who is interested in the facts first and the truth first.

You have also always been hysteria resistant.

Because of this you have also, taken in some new information and actually re-evaluated some things. My point is, this is the sign of a thinker who is honest. This is nothing to be ashamed of, and if people were to try to "smear you" with proving that you can actually think for yourself, rather than going with a blathering horde of losers, well, honestly, how is that a smear?

In the books of sane and intelligent people, being able to think is considered a good thing, and that sometimes means refining views or discounting crap once it becomes clear it was crap.

OH well...

In my book, being a rigid idiot who blindly follows hateful impulses and can not be reasoned with is the insult.

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #38 Charles

Watch -- this is going to be the new tactic the freak show blogs will try to use to discredit me. They'll pick through my archives looking for posts that "prove" how much I've changed.

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

You should go back and plant old posts where you confess to eating kittens.

Occasional Reader Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:59:11am

Popping in before lunch:

In addition to the Iranian women who faced down the street thugs in Tehran, can we please have more Muslim* women like this one?

Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

Rukhsana Kausar, 21, was with her parents and brother in Jammu and Kashmir when three gunmen, believed to be Pakistani militants, forced their way in and demanded food and beds for the night.

Their house in Shahdra Sharief, Rajouri district, is about 20 miles from the ceasefire line between Indian and Pakistani forces.

It is close to dense forests known as hiding places for fighters from the Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which carried out the Mumbai terrorist attack last November.

Militants often demand food and lodging in nearby villages.

When they forced their way into Miss Kausar’s home, her father Noor Mohammad refused their demands and was attacked.

His daughter was hiding under a bed when she heard him crying as the gunmen thrashed him with sticks. According to police, she ran towards her father’s attacker and struck him with an axe. As he collapsed, she snatched his AK47 and shot him dead.

She also shot and wounded another militant as he made his escape.

You go, girl!

___
* The article doesn't explicitly ID her religion, but I'm guessing Muslim, based on the location, her name, and in particular her dad's name

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:59:36am

re: #56 CommonCents

Rukhsana ? I wonder if that's like Roxanne in Indian. Excellent name.

You're thinking of Alexander's bride?

jaunte Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:00:22am

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

Honest thinking? Where will that get us?!?

drogheda Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:00:34am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

CounterJihad chick of the day...
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47

On a serious note, I really hope that she and her family haven't made themselves a target for reprisals as a result of this.

Occasional Reader Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:01:16am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Oh, damn... sorry, Killgore, didn't see your post.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #48 omahadad

Of course, to claim an event held at the Capitol isn't intended to be political is ridiculous on its face, but that's beside the point. Spencer's expectation for every Muslim gathering to begin with a denunciation of terrorism is as absurd as the expectation for every Republican to go on the record denouncing "birtherism" or for every Christian to state publicly that they are against teaching creationism in public schools.

OK, I'm trying to figure this out. Are you criticizing Spencer, or are you trying to defend birthers and creationists?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:01:51am

re: #64 drogheda

On a serious note, I really hope that she and her family haven't made themselves a target for reprisals as a result of this.

I saw another article about it yesterday. She (I think it was she) was quoted as saying that her family would have to move.

CommonCents Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:02:00am

re: #62 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're thinking of Alexander's bride?

Actually, I was thinking of my sister. But you're example is much more legendary.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:02:15am

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

You should go back and plant old posts where you confess to eating kittens.

On a related note, I hear Charles eats kittens!!!
//

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:02:19am

re: #63 jaunte

Honest thinking? Where will that get us?!?

//

Sane policy, moral decency, consistent and pragmatic approaches to problem solving and the ability to adapt to new situations, information and ideas.

Other than that...

Occasional Reader Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I think "farmer's daughter" jokes in India are going to go in a different direction from our version here...

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:02:57am

re: #56 CommonCents

Rukhsana ? I wonder if that's like Roxanne in Indian. Excellent name.

Rukhsana, you don't have to put on the red light...

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #25 Charles

Tim Blair has completely lost it. Now he's actually claiming that I was a Birther once, because when the story first came out, I reported it here at LGF. And that's despite the fact that I later added a very clear disavowal to the post!

What a scumbag he's turned out to be. Here's the post he cherry-picked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yep, having a legitimate question does not mean you can, or will, forever ignore legitimate answers.

Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

That's ok. It's a great story.

CommonCents Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

Rukhsana, you don't have to put on the red light...

You don't have to wear that dress tonight
Rukhsana

Kragar Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #69 rwdflynavy

On a related note, I hear Charles eats kittens!!!
//

Kittens was not the original wording.

/rimshot

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

Rukhsana, you don't have to put on the red light...

More like red dot sight!

Thankyou! I'll be here all week. Try the veal!

Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:04:00am

re: #69 rwdflynavy

On a related note, I hear Charles eats kittens!!!
//

Of course. Sea kittens can be very good if prepared properly.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:04:02am

re: #69 rwdflynavy

On a related note, I hear Charles eats kittens!!!
//

In Russia, kitten eats you...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

bosforus Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #38 Charles

Going by what's in the search log this morning, they're already at it.

All I searched for was that raspberry filled Brach's candy I love so much and can never remember the name of. I knew the conversation would be stored safe and sound in the lgf archives.

avanti Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:04:54am

Gates has questions about Afgan troop increase.

link.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #51 vetpox

vetpox

(Logged in)
Registered since: Sep 30, 2009 at 10:00 am
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

A sleeper! Look! Only two posts since, um, _yesterday.

Welcome, hatchling!

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:05:16am

re: #64 drogheda

On a serious note, I really hope that she and her family haven't made themselves a target for reprisals as a result of this.

I was thinking the same.

Kragar Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #81 avanti

Gates has questions about Afgan troop increase.

link.

Step 1: Change the Objectives
Step 2: Declare victory
Step 3: Pullout
Step 4: Anarchy

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:07:19am

re: #51 vetpox

You're so subtle.

Subtlety is D-F's forte...

Ever since subtle tfk left, we needed someone to fill the subtle vacuum.

///

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:07:58am

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

You should go back and plant old posts where you confess to eating kittens.

I recall a pretty rowdy series of posts when PETA came up with their absurd "sea kittens" campaign, tasty recipes and all. I don't think Charles participated personally though.

Creeping Eruption Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:08:40am

re: #64 drogheda

On a serious note, I really hope that she and her family haven't made themselves a target for reprisals as a result of this.

I can't imagine these terrorists take kindly to being axed and gunned down by a little farmers daughter. No virgins for these guys. Allah will laugh them out of paradise.

Creeping Eruption Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:09:16am

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel

I recall a pretty rowdy series of posts when PETA came up with their absurd "sea kittens" campaign, tasty recipes and all. I don't think Charles participated personally though.

The grill is not just for Trolls anymore

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:09:36am

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Step 1: Change the Objectives
Step 2: Declare victory
Step 3: Pullout
Step 4: Anarchy

Step 5: Blame Bush for anarchy.
Step 6: Use your own failures to make a case for not using American power to promote freedom.

/spits on the left.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:10:01am

re: #88 Creeping Eruption

The grill is not just for Trolls anymore

Moby you're right.

Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:10:34am

OK Everyone -

Posit a Muslim Prayer group whose members "render" appropriately to both Caesar and Allah. I have no problem with that. I welcome that. Hope this is what occurred in Washington DC. That is all.

-S-

Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Subtlety is D-F's forte...

Ever since subtle tfk left, we needed someone to fill the subtle vacuum.

///

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:11:49am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

re: #56 CommonCents

I think I'm in love...

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

Didn't Charles say something like this would happen when he preemptively banned all those people?

drogheda Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:12:02am

re: #67 pre-Boomer Marine brat
re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #87 Creeping Eruption

A little searching seems to indicate that the family are getting some protection. The bad guys cannot be at all pleased about this.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:12:59am

re: #95 drogheda

re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #87 Creeping Eruption

A little searching seems to indicate that the family are getting some protection.

Good!

lawhawk Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

And the terrorist she killed was apparently a big LeT terrorist at that, Uzafa Shah.

Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:14:00am

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

Rukhsana, you don't have to put on the red light...

/aforementioned Indian woman putting laser sight on her newly-acquired AK47.

Rukshana...you don't have to use the red sight.

omahadad Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:14:06am

re: #66 Honorary Yooper

I'm criticizing painting with too broad a brush.

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avanti Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:14:28am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Step 5: Blame Bush for anarchy.
Step 6: Use your own failures to make a case for not using American power to promote freedom.

/spits on the left.

I guess you could blame Bush's defense secretary, but Gates is a trusted adviser for both POTUS's. I think he'll look at the facts and give his best advice in the end. I expect a modest increase on top of the recent 17,000, and maybe some strategy changes.

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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:15:43am

re: #97 lawhawk

And the terrorist she killed was apparently a big LeT terrorist at that, Uzafa Shah.

Huzzah!

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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:16:25am

re: #81 avanti

Gates has questions about Afgan troop increase.

link.

avanti -

As sure as I am sitting here, we will be "bugging-out" of Afghanistan by 2011.
I believe Pres. Obama has already made that decision. The question is how to handle it so as NOT to become an issue in the 2010 midterms. There lies the "RUB."

-S-

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:17:02am

re: #95 drogheda

re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #87 Creeping Eruption

A little searching seems to indicate that the family are getting some protection. The bad guys cannot be at all pleased about this.

Thanks for checking into it!

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avanti Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:18:45am

re: #102 Dr. Shalit

avanti -

As sure as I am sitting here, we will be "bugging-out" of Afghanistan by 2011.
I believe Pres. Obama has already made that decision. The question is how to handle it so as NOT to become an issue in the 2010 midterms. There lies the "RUB."

-S-

Nope, not going to happen IMHO. If anything, he's more of a hawk on Afghanistan than Bush was.

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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:22:16am

re: #104 avanti

Nope, not going to happen IMHO. If anything, he's more of a hawk on ~~Afghanistan~~ Pakistan than Bush was.

Thought I'd fix that for ya, avanti. No need to thank me.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

Imagine my surprise.

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What, me worry? Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:25:33am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

The little cock-a-roaches run to their hidey hole. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

And we love you for it.

As to tfk at the duece, well that is a shocker... I never would have guessed...

Alas, by my origins, we always do sarcasm...

Actually that makes me think of something...

IF: BIG GUNS, I love big guns, I sleep with an M-60 named Jenny.

TFK: Kerry wasn't fit to lick an M-60.
M-60
Dream of Kill
many many bullets
Kerry lied.

IF: It will put 300 rounds down range before you can say Allah Ackbar! I am a ninja master!

TFK: Don't say ninja.
Kerry Dem ninja
ninjas bad

IF: Well the subtle art of ninjitsu is something you should be afraid of. I was just learning how to disembowel a man through his nose. Bow Down before my manhood!

TFK: Kerry bowed to the commies
commie scum!

IF: Ninjas like me only bow to our masters!

Newbie to deuce: Ummm... shouldn't ninjas use swords rather than M-60's?

IF: TROLL! You know nothing of the ways of the NINJA!

TFK: Kerry!!!

Rodan: They are stalking us at 1.0!

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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:01am

re: #56 CommonCents

Rukhsana ? I wonder if that's like Roxanne in Indian. Excellent name.

Either that, or "Backpack."

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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:05am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I'm German by origin, I don't do subtle. I do witty sometimes. and I always do honest.

Sidenote: TFK just showed up over at The Deuce.

I'm surprised that he wasn't over there earlier.

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vetpox Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:37:41am

re: #82 wrenchwench

A sleeper! Look! Only two posts since, um, _yesterday.

Welcome, hatchling!

Thanks! It's good to be here.

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:58:52am

It should be noted the following, re: the event on Capitol Hill...

The Quran reciter was Sheikh Ahmed Dewidar.

Sheikh Ahmed Dewidar of the Islamic Center in Mid-Manhattan, has stood next to President Bush at Ground Zero in Manhattan and condemned the 9/11 attacks. But critics have also pointed to statements he made in Arabic, translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute, that Zionists control the American media, economy, and government.

[Link: www.nj.com...]

and on MEMRI:

[Link: memri.org...]

This is the dude who led the prayer services.

I am not buying that the organizers of the event were moderate by any stretch of the imagination.

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scaramouche Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:01:20pm

A bigot is defined as “someone who treats members of a group with hatred and intolerance.” If it’s “bigoted” to elucidate Islamic doctrine--which itself is replete with hatred and intolerance--then, yes, Robert Spencer is a “bigot.” But there is much to be lost and very little to be gained by so broadening the definition of “bigotry” that it now includes anyone who dares criticize any aspect of Islam.

I can understand why those advancing the sharia agenda would want to smear people by calling them bigots and Islamophobes. I can’t understand why LGF, which used to be in the vanguard of anti-idiotarianism, would do so.

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jaunte Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:07:56pm

re: #113 scaramouche

Maybe you should read the linked piece; it will answer some of your questions.

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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:20:34pm

re: #114 jaunte

Clicking links burns us, Precious.

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scaramouche Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:27:58pm

MPACUK describes itself as an organization devoted to waging non-violent jihad: [Link: www.mpacuk.org...] Its website is the usual potage of anti-Israel/anti-Western malarkey you can find on many a jihadist website. The fact that this outfit is "non-violent" only means that they aren't prepared to go the 72 virgins route, and intend to spread sharia (the goal of all jihadists, both violent and non-violent) in another way.

Am I a "bigot" for pointing that out?

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:28:53pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

Did you click my link?

It is rather clear-cut.

The Sheikh who read from the Quran - at the very Muslim prayer session in D.C. - is an absolute extremist, who said openly antisemitic hate in Arabic.

I did not get this information from Robert Spencer. In fact, Spencer did not even cover this piece of information. I found this information on my own, by reading Little Bulldog's article. I found a link, in Little Bulldog's article, to an nj.com article.

It is clear as day that the sheikh at the microphone in D.C. was no moderate. I don't care what Robert Spencer says or does not say. Ahmed Dewidar's words speak for themselves.

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jaunte Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #116 scaramouche

Did someone call you a bigot?

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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #117 non obama mama

I did not see a link to nj.com in the piece linked above, nor did I see Dewidar listed as an organizer.

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Bagua Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #113 scaramouche

I can’t understand why

Your definition is simplistic and misleading.

Your follow on "question" is itself a smear and not supported by facts.

The one thing you said with any validity I highlighted. It is clear that you understand little of which you write.

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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:39:43pm

re: #116 scaramouche

MPACUK describes itself as an organization devoted to waging non-violent jihad: [Link: www.mpacuk.org...] Its website is the usual potage of anti-Israel/anti-Western malarkey you can find on many a jihadist website. The fact that this outfit is "non-violent" only means that they aren't prepared to go the 72 virgins route, and intend to spread sharia (the goal of all jihadists, both violent and non-violent) in another way.

Am I a "bigot" for pointing that out?

Had you read the article you might have noticed that this is not about defending mpacuk, you might in fact have noticed that in the first line Little Bulldogs links to this:

[Link: littlebulldogs.blogspot.com...]

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #112 non obama mama

They might be, but even if he is only "reading the Koran", I feel very uncomfortable with them having someone who has said (from your MEMRI link)

Dewidar: "The Zionist community numbers only three million, but they control the government, the politics, the economy, and the media in the U.S.

Of course not. Many are interested in preventing our influence in society – first and foremost the Zionist lobby, which influences the media at present, so that we cannot spread our ideas and spotlight our leaders and our successful models. Even when a Muslim tries to work in the media, he has to contend with five million media employees who are controlled by the Jews.

To repeat, I am very uncomfortable with an organization giving a place of honor to someone who spouts this kind of anti-Semitism. Maybe they want to leave politics out of it, but giving someone like this a place of honor brings anti-Semitism in.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:44:54pm

re: #112 non obama mama

MEMRI is unreliable partisan crap. 9_9

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:48:24pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

When I went to the nj.com article linked on little bulldog's site, I noticed that within the nj.com article was a link to an earlier article discussing Dewidar.

In any case, I linked to a mainstream media site - nj.com. I then linked to MEMRI, wherein a transcript of Dewidar's words are there for the world to see. Spencer never even commented on Dewidar, so this is my research and not his. (ironically, the starting block for the research was little bulldogs)

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

MEMRI is unreliable partisan crap. 9_9

Are you freaking kidding me???

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:50:17pm

re: #125 non obama mama

Are you freaking kidding me???

No, I am not. They are hyper-partisan garbage whose translations are totally suspect, five seconds on google turns up their lack of credibility.

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:53:09pm

re: #126 WindUpBird

No, I am not. They are hyper-partisan garbage whose translations are totally suspect, five seconds on google turns up their lack of credibility.

For freak's sake, they are doing a yeoman's job of translating babbling sheikhs, and you claim they are "hyper-partisan"? This is an ad-hominem attack - attacking the messanger, rather than looking at the message.

I know native Arabic speakers, and they have no problem with MEMRI.

If you have a problem with MEMRI's translation, then feel free to tell me where they went wrong. But claiming that I must be mistaken because I linked to a 'hyper-partisan site' is just ridiculous.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:55:13pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Step 1: Change the Objectives
Step 2: Declare victory
Step 3: Pullout
Step 4: Anarchy

Or, the main alternative:

Step 1: Keep the objectives
Step 2: Declare victory
Step 3: Stay there forever
Step 4: Anarchy

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:59:13pm

re: #127 non obama mama

For freak's sake, they are doing a yeoman's job of translating babbling sheikhs, and you claim they are "hyper-partisan"? This is an ad-hominem attack - attacking the messanger, rather than looking at the message.

I know native Arabic speakers, and they have no problem with MEMRI.

If you have a problem with MEMRI's translation, then feel free to tell me where they went wrong. But claiming that I must be mistaken because I linked to a 'hyper-partisan site' is just ridiculous.

Yesyes, some of your best friends are Arabic, I got it. Sorry, not buying that line. ;-) Again, five seconds on google turns up all kinds of questions about their obvious political slant, cherry picking of arabic news stories for the most frightful and extreme, and willfully incorrect translations for purposes of influencing political policy.

There's nothing ad-hominem about pointing out a partisan political think-tank with millions of dollars behind it for what it is.

A "yeoman's job", huh?

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:01:29pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

Yesyes, some of your best friends are Arabic, I got it. Sorry, not buying that line. ;-) Again, five seconds on google turns up all kinds of questions about their obvious political slant, cherry picking of arabic news stories for the most frightful and extreme, and willfully incorrect translations for purposes of influencing political policy.

There's nothing ad-hominem about pointing out a partisan political think-tank with millions of dollars behind it for what it is.

A "yeoman's job", huh?

Feel free to explain how the particular MEMRI translation I linked was inaccurate. Otherwise, you are engaging in an ad hominem and anti-intellectual attack.

I would like to add that LGF links to MEMRI, so at least this site finds its research to be sound.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:10:34pm

re: #130 non obama mama

Feel free to explain how the particular MEMRI translation I linked was inaccurate. Otherwise, you are engaging in an ad hominem and anti-intellectual attack.

I would like to add that LGF links to MEMRI, so at least this site finds its research to be sound.

I don't speak Arabic! Clearly I'm not going to be able to translate it myself, no matter how much boldface you use. LGF can link to whatever they like, but when I can easily stumble across political details of this organization without even trying, I suspect its motives. It is a political think tank.

Are you actually claiming they're impartial? You're actually claiming they're not a partisan entity? Calling them a clearly partisan entity with questions about the validity of their translations is not an ad-hominem attack. You are misusing the term ad-hominem.

How about this. You show me a translation that does NOT come from a think tank, and we'll talk.

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non obama mama Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:13:24pm

re: #131 WindUpBird

I don't speak Arabic! Clearly I'm not going to be able to translate it myself, no matter how much boldface you use. LGF can link to whatever they like, but when I can easily stumble across political details of this organization without even trying, I suspect its motives. It is a political think tank.

Are you actually claiming they're impartial? You're actually claiming they're not a partisan entity? Calling them a clearly partisan entity with questions about the validity of their translations is not an ad-hominem attack. You are misusing the term ad-hominem.

How about this. You show me a translation that does NOT come from a think tank, and we'll talk.

No one is saying MEMRI is run by people without an agenda. That does not mean their translations are wrong.

Feel free to link me to evidence of their widespread mistranslations at the very least, and then we'll talk. Otherwise, you are just looking for excuses to avoid the obvious: Dewidar was no moderate.

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shutdown Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:37:52pm

Spencer will be on Dennis Miller shortly to promote his book.

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akarra Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:59:23pm

That was an excellent, brief read. I really liked Little Bulldogs saying (what follows is from the article):

"...Spencer is starting with the assumption that all Muslims are terrorists unless they declare otherwise. From that point of view in order to show that Muslims are not terrorists they must say so. But for the rest of us who start with the assumption that Muslims are not terrorists they need do nothing to show us that they are not."

There are a lot of people who've turned their fear and suspicion into an operating assumption about others. The quote shows a very nice way of destroying the assumption - demonstrate the bigotry by showing how a human being should think in this case.

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