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1 bofhell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:22:14am

OK, him I do NOT welcome as a new overlord of anything...

2 Cathypop  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:22:26am

This is one time I am happy to be at work and not able to watch this moron!

3 bosforus  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:23:40am

But he's nearly crying. How can we question somebody whose motives are so obviously sincere?
/

4 Baier  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:24:28am

I love gives away prizes to audience members that throw all the ping balls into the buckets...oops, wrong clown that was Bozo.

5 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:24:35am

It's almost like we are blogging and commenting on patients from a mental institute. What next, news commentators in clown make up? This guy is a circus, and has become a parody of himself.

6 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

It's almost like we are blogging and commenting on patients from a mental institute. What next, news commentators in clown make up? This guy is a circus, and has become a parody of himself.

I've commented on here before, but I think this sort of rabid derangement IS a mental disorder. There is obviously something dysfunctional with someone who is so bereft of rational thought.

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:25:50am

I have to go now but I want take this last post before heading out to slam Glen Beck. He's a witless buffoon who has truly drunk the Kool-Aid of the worst elements of the Religious Right and has entirely forgotten our Constitution and the government it was supposed to establish.

BBT

8 McSpiff  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:26:10am

I realize this is a pointless comment... but I'm speechless. This makes me want to take a break from politics for a bit. He's so wrong, on so many levels...

9 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:26:13am

re: #4 Baier

I love gives away prizes to audience members that throw all the ping balls into the buckets...oops, wrong clown that was Bozo.

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

It's almost like we are blogging and commenting on patients from a mental institute. What next, news commentators in clown make up? This guy is a circus, and has become a parody of himself.

GMTA

10 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:26:46am

All I have to say about Glenn Beck is,

what a whackjob.

I've been scratching my head these past few months trying to figure out why anyone on God's green Earth would take this nutjob seriously. All I can figure out is that those who do are as whacked out as Beck himself.

Glenn Beck is definitely disturbed and needs to see a shrink PDQ.

11 Kragar  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:27:28am

Allow me to rebutt Beck's incoherent rantings with this picture of an elephant water-skiing

12 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:28:17am

He needs a pulpit, not a news show.

13 bofhell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #4 Baier

I love gives away prizes to audience members that throw all the ping balls into the buckets...oops, wrong clown that was Bozo.

I thought it was Captain Kangaroo that had the pingpong ball obsession.

14 Baier  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:28:50am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or this.

15 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:29:04am

re: #12 MandyManners

He needs a pulpit, not a news show.

This sounds like the 700 club.

16 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

It's almost like we are blogging and commenting on patients from a mental institute. What next, news commentators in clown make up? This guy is a circus, and has become a parody of himself.

Seems that way to me, Walter.

When a person is so fragile that every serious topic becomes so emotionally wrenching it brings the person to tears - well, I just have to think that either the tears are fake, OR the person is seriously emotionally damaged.

17 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:29:38am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Allow me to rebutt Beck's incoherent rantings with this picture of an elephant water-skiing

Call PETE*.

*People for the Ethical Treatment of Elephants.

18 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:30:55am

I'm pretty sure all my money still says "In God We Trust"

19 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:30:56am

It's enough to make me leave the Church, just to piss him off and make him cry.

20 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:31:20am

re: #6 thedopefishlives

I've commented on here before, but I think this sort of rabid derangement IS a mental disorder. There is obviously something dysfunctional with someone who is so bereft of rational thought.

And for me this is becoming a non-issue, at least when it concerns conservatives. There is no intelligent conservatives that I know that would even give this guy the time of day.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:31:28am

Yeah, Glen, we only have to look to countries where godless atheists are not allowed to run around loose, such paragons of civic virtue as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

/I know, fish in a barrel but too obvious to pass up.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:31:38am

Rep. Bachmann Warns of Abortion Field Trips

Sex Clinics!

23 Baier  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:31:47am

re: #13 bofhell

[Link: video.google.com...]

Here is what I was thinking of.

24 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:31:48am

Religious "nones?"

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:32:09am

Sex Clinics sound so much better than Death Panels.

26 avanti  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:32:29am

He's bad enough, but he rants about problems that don't exist. You can pray in school, just not led in prayer, you can sing Christmas carols, just not in public schools and the rest. We are going to be a less religious nation as the more secular young grow up, but it's not the end of the country IMHO.

27 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:32:54am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Sex Clinics sound so much better than Death Panels.

See, a little switcheroo in the language and watch the approval ratings skyrocket.
/

28 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:32:58am

You're not God's spokesman Mr. Beck... and God certainly doesn't need you to defend Him.

And if you're wondering why people are "rejecting religion" these days, I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror. People like you are why I left the church, and people like you are exactly why I won't be going back.

29 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:33:31am

re: #16 reine.de.tout

Seems that way to me, Walter.

When a person is so fragile that every serious topic becomes so emotionally wrenching it brings the person to tears - well, I just have to think that either the tears are fake, OR the person is seriously emotionally damaged.

The 'OR' could be replaced with 'AND' in this case I think.

30 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:33:41am
31 Dianna  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:33:46am

re: #19 Cato the Elder

It's enough to make me leave the Church, just to piss him off and make him cry.

Fortunately for you, he's not Catholic.

32 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:33:54am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Sex Clinics sound so much better than Death Panels.

Not if you are not getting any sex.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:33:56am

Rodan: YOU SEE OBAMA HAS STOLEN CHRISTMAS!

IF: I sleep with an M-60 named Jenny, I am a ninja!

TFK: Kerry stole Christmas!

Goddess: As a Christian I weep for the Godlessness of America. This all started when we kicked Jesus out of science class.

TFK: Jesus guns
Kerry lied and people died.
Rosebud!

IF: Well they won't take Christmas from me and Jenny! (strokes Jenny's breech lovingly)

34 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:34:08am

re: #15 Creeping Eruption

This sounds like the 700 club.

I don't know if Pat's ego would leave any room.

35 Dianna  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:34:43am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Sex Clinics sound so much better than Death Panels.

Sure as anything, they sound like a lot more fun.

36 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:34:47am

Believers who imagine that God can be "chased out" of anything are a continual mystery to me.

37 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #34 MandyManners

I don't know if Pat's ego would leave any room.

Uh oh. We are going to be accused of hating Christians now.

38 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:35:03am
39 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:35:08am

re: #28 Irish Rose

By the way, thank you for your nice comment in regards to the charismatic praying comments that I made yesterday. You said "I nailed it." Your response nailed just what I was trying to impart. Thanks. (see, we don't always disagree).

40 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:35:26am

The Beckster asks, "Why are we as powerful as we are or have been? What have we done different from other countries?"

Rational application of science maybe? No established religion to interfere or compete? The consciously secular wisdom of the Founding Fathers?

41 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

Rodan: YOU SEE OBAMA HAS STOLEN CHRISTMAS!

IF: I sleep with an M-60 named Jenny, I am a ninja!

TFK: Kerry stole Christmas!

Goddess: As a Christian I weep for the Godlessness of America. This all started when we kicked Jesus out of science class.

TFK: Jesus guns
Kerry lied and people died.
Rosebud!

IF: Well they won't take Christmas from me and Jenny! (strokes Jenny's breech lovingly)

What is this?

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:36:16am

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

What is this?

Satire. Hopefully amusing satire.

43 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:36:18am

re: #18 Conservative Moonbat

I'm pretty sure all my money still says "In God We Trust"

Hi CM. Hmmm...I wonder if this is what Beck was referring to:

In God We Trust

If so, he needs to have a talk with his crack research staff. Or stop reading the spam e-mails in his in-box and taking them as fact.

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:36:28am

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Satire. Hopefully amusing satire.

Well, I laughed.

45 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:36:52am

re: #37 Creeping Eruption

Uh oh. We are going to be accused of hating Christians now.

Only by ignorant cherry pickers.

46 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Well, I laughed.

Thank you!

47 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:32am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

By the way, thank you for your nice comment in regards to the charismatic praying comments that I made yesterday. You said "I nailed it." Your response nailed just what I was trying to impart. Thanks. (see, we don't always disagree).

You're welcome.
Now, about Sarah Palin...

48 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Satire. Hopefully amusing satire.

I don't think we have to mock those who have left, any more than we want to see or hear them mocking us over here. It makes us look a low as they are.

Just my opinion.

49 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:41am

re: #8 McSpiff

I realize this is a pointless comment... but I'm speechless. This makes me want to take a break from politics for a bit. He's so wrong, on so many levels...

I think that's what they're trying to do... if you turn off enough reasonable people from politics, then the nuts represent a high proportion of the debate and voters. Nothing helps extremism more than a tuned out electorate.

50 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:48am
51 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:55am

re: #47 Irish Rose

You're welcome.
Now, about Sarah Palin...

I don't like Palin at all, why?

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:37:56am

re: #43 subsailor68

Hi CM. Hmmm...I wonder if this is what Beck was referring to:

In God We Trust

If so, he needs to have a talk with his crack research staff. Or stop reading the spam e-mails in his in-box and taking them as fact.

Now why would doing something like actually looking at the bills in his wallet stop him from saying something?

53 bosforus  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:04am

re: #19 Cato the Elder

It's enough to make me leave the Church, just to piss him off and make him cry.


Maybe I'm taking you too seriously but... you may want to rethink your reasons for going to church...

54 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:05am

re: #43 subsailor68

Hi CM. Hmmm...I wonder if this is what Beck was referring to:

In God We Trust

If so, he needs to have a talk with his crack research staff. Or stop reading the spam e-mails in his in-box and taking them as fact.

Yeah, the same one that Palin used to check out her ghost-writer.

55 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #45 MandyManners

Only by ignorant cherry pickers.

(No offense to those brave souls toiling on our Cherry Orchards.)

56 Danny  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #43 subsailor68

Hi CM. Hmmm...I wonder if this is what Beck was referring to:

In God We Trust

If so, he needs to have a talk with his crack research staff. Or stop reading the spam e-mails in his in-box and taking them as fact.

I think this should be added to the front page as an update.

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

By the way, thank you for your nice comment in regards to the charismatic praying comments that I made yesterday. You said "I nailed it." Your response nailed just what I was trying to impart. Thanks. (see, we don't always disagree).

Actually that was a good comment.

58 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:38:48am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Cherry pickers who fall in love with each other refer to one another as cherie pickers.

You're in fine form today.

59 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:04am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually that was a good comment.

Thanks, now about the satire above? :)

60 That's Glenn Beck to you  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:10am

I don't think any of you understand the scope of the atheist attack on America.

Take McDonald's Happy Meals as an example - your kid gets a toy with a meal. But what kind of toy is it? How does this toy influence your child? Well I challenge anyone to turn that toy over and see where it is made. That's right: China. And what is in China? That's right - Chinese people, a bunch of factories and a big wall. What else is in China? ChiComs. Communists. Godless, atheistic Communists. So when you buy a Happy Meal you are funding an atheist plot against your children.

I weep for this country.

61 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:19am
62 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:22am

re: #55 Creeping Eruption

(No offense to those brave souls toiling on our Cherry Orchards.)

Sounds perverse.

63 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:39:24am

Thanks to an interview with Greg Gutfeld in reason, I recently started watching Red Eye on Fox News. It's on at 3 AM, so I set the vcr to tape it (yes, I still have and use a vcr) and watch it the next day. There's usually a minute or two of Beck on the tape before Red Eye. Luckily, I can just fast forward through that.

I think Red Eye is the only talk show worth watching and quite possibly the funniest show on tv.

64 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #60 That's Glenn Beck to you

I don't think any of you understand the scope of the atheist attack on America.

Take McDonald's Happy Meals as an example - your kid gets a toy with a meal. But what kind of toy is it? How does this toy influence your child? Well I challenge anyone to turn that toy over and see where it is made. That's right: China. And what is in China? That's right - Chinese people, a bunch of factories and a big wall. What else is in China? ChiComs. Communists. Godless, atheistic Communists. So when you buy a Happy Meal you are funding an atheist plot against your children.

I weep for this country.

Get a grip, Beck.

65 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:40:18am

My son-in-law, a legitimately ordained Baptist minister, points out that separation of church and state was a cornerstone of Baptist doctrine for centuries, long predating the First Amendment and quite possibly influencing it. This has mostly been thrown out the window the last 30 years in favor of televangelist demogoguery and political access: Baptist leaders have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage (or a pot of message, not sure which).

66 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:40:20am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

Do they have a Chekhov for their union dues payments?

Oooh, someone went deep for the catch!

67 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

Now why would doing something like actually looking at the bills in his wallet stop him from saying something?

LOL! What, and ruin a perfectly good rant?

68 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:41:08am

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

My son-in-law, a legitimately ordained Baptist minister, points out that separation of church and state was a cornerstone of Baptist doctrine for centuries, long predating the First Amendment and quite possibly influencing it. This has mostly been thrown out the window the last 30 years in favor of televangelist demogoguery and political access: Baptist leaders have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage (or a pot of message, not sure which).

They're not the only ones, not by any means.

69 insert name here  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:41:18am

re: #60 That's Glenn Beck to you

I don't think any of you understand the scope of the atheist attack on America.

Take McDonald's Happy Meals as an example - your kid gets a toy with a meal. But what kind of toy is it? How does this toy influence your child? Well I challenge anyone to turn that toy over and see where it is made. That's right: China. And what is in China? That's right - Chinese people, a bunch of factories and a big wall. What else is in China? ChiComs. Communists. Godless, atheistic Communists. So when you buy a Happy Meal you are funding an atheist plot against your children.

I weep for this country.

Cunning, those atheists are.

70 KenJen  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #63 Mad Al-Jaffee

Love Gutfeld and his little sidekick.

71 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:41:45am
72 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:30am

re: #70 KenJen

Love Gutfeld and his little sidekick.

Which one? Bill Schulz or Pinch? (the NYT puppet)

I love Andy Levy's deadpan half time reports.

73 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:33am

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

Do they have a Chekhov for their union dues payments?

Don't get me started. Its Such A Dreary Story.

74 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:40am

re: #70 KenJen

Love Gutfeld and his little sidekick.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

75 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:48am
76 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:54am

re: #73 Creeping Eruption

Don't get me started. Its Such A Dreary Story.

A Bear, is it?

77 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #62 MandyManners

Sounds perverse.

Or Preserves

78 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:11am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I have a ton of stuff on my plate, so I have to make the time here count.

Well, you're making it count swimmingly.

79 efuseakay  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:16am

Speaking of us Godless atheists... here's an update about Ardi... Charles, check this out!

[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]

80 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:25am

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

"Mess of pottage or pot of message" is very, very good.

in bed

81 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

"Mess of pottage or pot of message" is very, very good.

Full disclosure: I stole it from someone who said it about (I believe) HG Wells.

82 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

Baptist leaders have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage (or a pot of message, not sure which).

Oooh, that's good.

83 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:43:47am

Hey, Glenn, "endowed by their Creator" did NOT establish a government which was like you want to think it was.

84 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #77 Creeping Eruption

Or Preserves

Don't get me in a jam with puns.

85 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:44:22am
86 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, now about the satire above? :)

Well honestly, we shall have to agree to disagree here. After looking through the bowels of the duece lately, It has become clear to me that it is a repository for all the the sorts of cranks, crazies and otherwise demented who actually believe this stuff.

If ind it a quick and distilled measure of the more entertaining forms of paranoia sweeping this nation. Now, in general, I am not saying that the Deuce amounts to anything in of itself.

However, and this is important. The views expressed there, which are not so different from legions of Fox viewers, Rush fans, Malkin lovers et al (who likely have a similar mindset) are best countered by using humor to expose how silly they are, mixed in with a healthy dose of fact.

What made the satire humorous at all, is that we all know that such comments are very close to things that would actually be said by those people, and indeed many who listen to Beck.

Just look at it in a different context, and it becomes apparent how stupid it all is.

87 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:44:34am

re: #84 MandyManners

Don't get me in a jam with puns.

Ugh. The introduction of a pun thread was quite jarring to my sensibilities.

88 Baier  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:44:58am

OT:

Jimmah is on form

"They have a right to purify uranium and plutonium to use for nuclear power," Carter said. "If Iran is on the borderline, the constant threats that we or the Israelis are going to attack Iran is the best thing to force them to say, 'Let's defend ourselves.' I don't think Iran has made up their mind what to do, and I think the best thing we can do is engage them and stop making these idle threats."

What a moron.

89 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:45:05am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Cherry pickers who fall in love with each other refer to one another as cherie pickers.

Good morning, Buzzsawmonkey.
I'm glad to see you here.

90 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote

Well honestly, we shall have to agree to disagree here...

[snip]

Yep, we will.

91 KenJen  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

Which one? Bill Schulz or Pinch? (the NYT puppet)

I love Andy Levy's deadpan half time reports.

The guy with the curly hair. He and Gutfeld filled in for Dennis Miller on the radio a month or two ago. It was great. They need their own radio show if they don't already have one.

92 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #84 MandyManners

Don't get me in a jam with puns.

I only do jam on buns - sorry.

93 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:07am

re: #87 thedopefishlives

Ugh. The introduction of a pun thread was quite jarring to my sensibilities.

Would a hot bath help?

94 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:21am

I always found Circus Clowns CREEPY!
Especially the ones that were painted weepy!
Although his "Sincerity" earn a mention at the Emmys!

95 middy  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #92 Creeping Eruption

I only do jam on buns - sorry.

ACK! The bun is the lowest form of humor...

96 spoosmith  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:53am

The fact that beck's ratings continue to soar is troubling. I regularly read blogs from across the political spectrum and almost without fail, whenever there is a beck thread on a conservative site the overwhelming majority of posters leap to his defense (brilliant is often used to describe him). If conservatives honestly believe that this addled half-wit provides deep, incisive commentary and speaks profound truth, I wonder what those on this site who are desperately trying to reclaim conservatism from the crazy are fighting for.

97 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #92 Creeping Eruption

I only do jam on buns - sorry.

Try to keep a lid on your perversity.

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #87 thedopefishlives

Ugh. The introduction of a pun thread was quite jarring to my sensibilities.

What's this? Are we digressing to the Masons?
This should be canned!

99 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #88 Baier

OT:

Jimmah is on form

What a moron.

Ohhh boy... Carter always had such a clear understanding of Iran and how to deal with the Mullahs... I mean such a great track record on that front!

///

100 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:11am

re: #93 MandyManners

Would a hot bath help?

That should seal it.

101 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:15am

re: #88 Baier

OT:

Jimmah is on form

What a moron.

Excuse me Mr. Carter, you can stop sucking up to the Iranians. In case you missed it, all the hostages were released. Remember? About fifteen minutes after they found out you'd lost the election - and Ronald Reagan had won?

102 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:16am

re: #17 MandyManners

Call PETE*.

*People for the Ethical Treatment of Elephants.

PETA is fine, they call elephants "puppies with trunks".
/

103 That's Glenn Beck to you  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote


Goddess: As a Christian I weep for the Godlessness of America. This all started when we kicked Jesus out of science class.

I remember when Jesus was in science class. In High School chemistry my lab partner (Jimmy Swensen) and I had a lab we were supposed to work on but we spent most of the lab time trying get the attention of this really hot girl named Angela Powers.

So we had to do the whole lab in like 5 minutes. We scrambled around, broke a few beakers, couldn't light the bunsen burner and weren't going to make it. I remember mumbling "Jesus sh*t - we are so f*cked if we fail this lab." Just then, Angela Powers walked over and explained that you can just run the fomula on the lab sheet in reverse and make up data.

My prayer was answered - I got through the lab AND Angela Powers talked to me (even if it was out of pity).

104 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:34am

re: #94 reloadingisnotahobby

I always found Circus Clowns CREEPY!
Especially the ones that were painted weepy!
Although his "Sincerity" earn a mention at the Emmys!

My mother never tires of telling about how she, at the age of 5, more or less, kicked a Ringling Brothers clown square in his freakishly painted face. She hated clowns, as do all good people.

105 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:48am

re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What's this? Are we digressing to the Masons?
This should be canned!

Man, you got Balls.

106 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:47:58am

Some of these puns seem rather canned.

107 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:48:03am
108 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:48:26am

re: #97 MandyManners

Try to keep a lid on your perversity.

Full circle. I like it. Good show.

109 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #100 wrenchwench

That should seal it.

I'm in a pickle--I'm outta' puns.

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:49:10am

re: #37 Creeping Eruption

Uh oh. We are going to be accused of hating Christians now.

Because only Pat is a true Christian...

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:49:27am

re: #105 MandyManners

Man, you got Balls.

*smacks forehead*
DAMN! ... MISSED THAT ONE!

112 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #109 MandyManners

I'm in a pickle--I'm outta' puns.

Next time, make a list and preserve it for the future.

113 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:49:55am

re: #108 Creeping Eruption

Full circle. I like it. Good show.

*curtsey*

114 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:05am

Do the usual suspects ever think about how absurd it is when they accuse of securlarists of "throwing God out of the classroom?"

I mean, could we really get God to leave if he didn't want to go? Wouldn't we instantly be struck with a plague of boils or teleported to the center of the Sun or something? This is really borderline blasphemy if you think about it.

115 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #103 That's Glenn Beck to you

I remember when Jesus was in science class. In High School chemistry my lab partner (Jimmy Swensen) and I had a lab we were supposed to work on but we spent most of the lab time trying get the attention of this really hot girl named Angela Powers.

So we had to do the whole lab in like 5 minutes. We scrambled around, broke a few beakers, couldn't light the bunsen burner and weren't going to make it. I remember mumbling "Jesus sh*t - we are so f*cked if we fail this lab." Just then, Angela Powers walked over and explained that you can just run the fomula on the lab sheet in reverse and make up data.

My prayer was answered - I got through the lab AND Angela Powers talked to me (even if it was out of pity).

You see, G-d does look out for scientists!

116 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #109 MandyManners

I'm in a pickle--I'm outta' puns.

You gonna bail then, or have you hopes that your pun powers will wax stronger, and you'll return with a t least a paraffin little jokes?

117 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #112 wrenchwench

Next time, make a list and preserve it for the future.

Ya' know, unsolicited advice steams me.

118 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:40am

No Glenn, the problem isn't that we're turning atheist. It's that we're turning to the stupid (both as the singular and personal and the plural and the group of Americans as a whole). We're simultaneously revolted by stupidity, but engaged and latch on to the simple charms of a demagogue and petty slogans.

Yes. We can.

Beck gets good ratings because many people who are tuning in to him are trying to see what outrageous things he's going to say so that they can tee off on him as actually like what he has to say (the Howard Stern effect). The problem is that while Stern launched into crude language and lesbian lovers kissing on radio and other such stunts, Beck is toying with cranks and kooks from the far right fringe. He's legitimizing such statements and giving them a wider audience.

119 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:55am

re: #117 MandyManners

Ya' know, unsolicited advice steams me.

Gotta keep up the pressure sometimes.

120 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:50:57am
121 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #117 MandyManners

Ya' know, unsolicited advice steams me.

Easy, watch the pressure, or you'll blow a gasket.

122 waveriderca  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:51:21am

The atheists are obviously driving people away from religion. It has nothing to do with priests molesting kids and their bosses covering it up. I'd like to watch beck one day but I couldn't even stomach that embed. I almost fell off my chair as a result of being dizzy with my eyes constantly rolling.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:16am

re: #26 avanti

He's bad enough, but he rants about problems that don't exist. You can pray in school, just not led in prayer, you can sing Christmas carols, just not in public schools and the rest. We are going to be a less religious nation as the more secular young grow up, but it's not the end of the country IMHO.

Actually, they still sing Christmas carols in public schools, even. I disapprove, but it's not outlawed by any means.

124 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #104 Guanxi88

My mother never tires of telling about how she, at the age of 5, more or less, kicked a Ringling Brothers clown square in his freakishly painted face. She hated clowns, as do all good people.

Ever get a clown to yell at you? I did. The painted smile looks even more insane when they are mad. About 9 or 10, at a party where "Sudsy the Clown" was performing. In order for the trick to work, everyone had to yell out "Sudsy the Clown." Of course, being me, I yelled out "Scuzy the Clown." Insane Clown act ensued. . .

125 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:31am

re: #88 Baier

OT:

Jimmah is on form

"They have a right to purify uranium and plutonium to use for nuclear power," Carter said. "If Iran is on the borderline, the constant threats that we or the Israelis are going to attack Iran is the best thing to force them to say, 'Let's defend ourselves.' I don't think Iran has made up their mind what to do, and I think the best thing we can do is engage them and stop making these idle threats."

What a moron.

And besides all that, they don't let godless athests throw God out of their classrooms and abolish school prayer.

126 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #91 KenJen

The guy with the curly hair. He and Gutfeld filled in for Dennis Miller on the radio a month or two ago. It was great. They need their own radio show if they don't already have one.

That's Schulz. I love how they always pick on him.

127 Racer X  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:52:36am

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

Do the usual suspects ever think about how absurd it is when they accuse of securlarists of "throwing God out of the classroom?"

I mean, could we really get God to leave if he didn't want to go? Wouldn't we instantly be struck with a plague of boils or teleported to the center of the Sun or something? This is really borderline blasphemy if you think about it.

Interesting.

God is all powerful, except when godless atheists decide he isn't.

128 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:05am

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

Do the usual suspects ever think about how absurd it is when they accuse of securlarists of "throwing God out of the classroom?"

I mean, could we really get God to leave if he didn't want to go? Wouldn't we instantly be struck with a plague of boils or teleported to the center of the Sun or something? This is really borderline blasphemy if you think about it.

The very idea of someone/s getting rid of God, in whatever fashion, is downright hilarious.

/out of respect to differing viewpoints, add an "IMHO" to that

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:06am

We can't post "Thou shalt not kill" on government property because it's too controversial? Heck, we should be able to put it up in every gas chamber and on electric chair to remind those murderers that we are doing it in God's name...

And remember, God is a clearly defined concept in Glenn Beck's mind, and in the mind of every free American. There should be no debate, dispute or controvery about what he looks like or what he wants.

130 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #84 MandyManners

Don't get me in a jam with puns.

Don't you mean "Honey don't"?

131 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

Do the usual suspects ever think about how absurd it is when they accuse of securlarists of "throwing God out of the classroom?"

I mean, could we really get God to leave if he didn't want to go? Wouldn't we instantly be struck with a plague of boils or teleported to the center of the Sun or something? This is really borderline blasphemy if you think about it.

Absurdity is lost on them and sarcasm doesn't register either.

132 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:25am

re: #88 Baier

OT:

Jimmah is on form

What a moron.

I actually agree with Jimmy (the antisemitic dhimmified coward) Carter that there is no use making idle threats against Iran.
Instead, Israel and the US should now act decisively to end the Iranian threat. And if it is indeed true that the best we can accomplish by a military attack is to buy time, then I say fine, let's buy as much time as possible.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:53:44am

re: #117 MandyManners

Ya' know, unsolicited advice steams me.

This thread is a pressure cooker!

134 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:54:01am

re: #127 Racer X

Interesting.

God is all powerful, except when godless atheists decide he isn't.

That is a brilliant observation of what is wrong with this rant.

People who are secure in their faith do not worry about such things, nor feel threatened or defensive is someone else does not believe.

135 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #132 Spare O'Lake

I actually agree with Jimmy (the antisemitic dhimmified coward) Carter that there is no use making idle threats against Iran.
Instead, Israel and the US should now act decisively to end the Iranian threat. And if it is indeed true that the best we can accomplish by a military attack is to buy time, then I say fine, let's buy as much time as possible.

With you 100%

136 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:54:57am

re: #117 MandyManners

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's a crock!

137 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:55:09am

uncle

138 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:55:47am

re: #88 Baier

OT:

Jimmah is on form

What a moron.

I think Carter would be perfectly happy to see Israel nuked, except for the fact the Palis wouldn't be able to live there. But I think he'd consider that a small cost to pay.

139 KenJen  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's a crock!

Don't flip your lid.

140 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:56:15am

re: #137 MandyManners
I thought we were playing Marco Polo...
...Your it!

141 bosforus  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:56:16am

re: #109 MandyManners

I'm in a pickle--I'm outta' puns.

Can someone get me up to speed on the puns. I'm a little brined.

142 zelnaga  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:56:40am

From the snopes.com email:

Since the 1950's, "In God We Trust" has been our National Motto, and has been inscribed on the front of all coins and the back of all paper currency.
...
Who originally put 'In God We Trust' onto our currency?
My bet is that it was one of the Presidents on these coins.


I guess they've lost their bet, then, since the Presidential Dollar coins aren't going to have presidents from the 1950's until 2015, per wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

143 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:56:46am

If you have never read Robert Smigel's X-Presidents comic, read it soon. You should be able to order it from Amazon. There's tons of Carter bashing in it. Smigel is pretty liberal, but he pokes fun at everybody.

144 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:03am
145 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

What Beck is leading up to saying is:
"God will abandon us/has abandoned us (unless you all agree to do what I say)."

146 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:39am

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep. God is like, the biggest fact there is.

147 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:51am

I love how the term "social justice" is now a blasphemous term to right-wing "Christians" such as Beck. If Christ himself walked the earth at this very moment he would be labeled as a crazy, DFH "community organizer" and pilloried relentlessly by those who claim to be acting in God's name.

I literally almost threw up on my keyboard watching Beck spew this garbage. Listening to him you'd think that corporations are somehow all that is right and holy. What ever happened to "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."?

148 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you have never read Robert Smigel's X-Presidents comic, read it soon. You should be able to order it from Amazon. There's tons of Carter bashing in it. Smigel is pretty liberal, but he pokes fun at everybody.

That's the guy who does the animated shorts on SNL no?

149 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #141 bosforus

Can someone get me up to speed on the puns. I'm a little brined.

Don't be so salty. Someone will pepper out some more puns soon.

150 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:58:21am

October surprise, 2012: Glenn Beck announces on his show that he's a far Left Socialist Democrat who's been stoking far Right idiocy for the last five years just to see how much he could get away with, and expose the GOP as a collection of credulous morons. The populist movement gathered around Palin's Presidential campaign collapses into a smoking hole in the ground as 0bama begins his second term by appointing Beck to the position of Propaganda Czar.

151 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:58:35am

Carters 85...So F&*&$ what!
I take it nobody sang the senile asshole Happy Birthday??
I must have missed that thread!
///

152 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:58:39am

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

That is a brilliant observation of what is wrong with this rant.

People who are secure in their faith do not worry about such things, nor feel threatened or defensive is someone else does not believe.


I don't have to worry about believing in God..he believes in me.
like the line from Gump.." guys at the V.A. keepin asking me.. have you found Jesus? Have you found jesus, Gump? " Gump : " I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him.."

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:58:43am

re: #149 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't be so salty. Someone will pepper out some more puns soon.

Looks like the thread's getting a bit jerky.

154 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

You need a New Dill.

A cucumber in every pot?

155 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #148 Drogheda

That's the guy who does the animated shorts on SNL no?

Yeah, and he wrote for SNL and Conan O'Brien. He's the voice and operator of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.

156 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #149 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't be so salty. Someone will pepper out some more puns soon.

And I'm sure they be corny.

157 davinvalkri  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:04am

...okay, I hope my mother stops watching Beck now. This is just getting...argh...

Hey Beck! I'm not just atheist! I'm an agnostic ANTI-THEIST! Whadaya say to that, ah?!

158 Irenicum  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:07am

re: #124 Creeping Eruption

You didn't get him to yell "we all float down here!" did you? That would be creepy!

159 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like the thread's getting a bit jerky.

I've never seen sausage post.

160 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:35am

re: #139 KenJen

Don't flip your lid.

Let me take a wax at a pun here.

161 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:41am

re: #148 Drogheda

Here's a link to the book on Amazon:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

162 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:50am

I liked Beck so much better when he was singing songs like "Loser" or "Devil's Haircut", not going off on twisted tirades like this.

/

163 davinvalkri  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 10:59:50am

re: #150 SixDegrees

October surprise, 2012: Glenn Beck announces on his show that he's a far Left Socialist Democrat who's been stoking far Right idiocy for the last five years just to see how much he could get away with, and expose the GOP as a collection of credulous morons. The populist movement gathered around Palin's Presidential campaign collapses into a smoking hole in the ground as 0bama begins his second term by appointing Beck to the position of Propaganda Czar.

Beck as the Moby to end all mobies? GENIUS.

164 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:00:01am
165 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like the thread's getting a bit jerky.

We need a cure for this.

166 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:00:26am

re: #145 jaunte

What Beck is leading up to saying is:
"God will abandon us/has abandoned us (unless you all agree to do what I say)."

Ohhh yes... I forgot that Beck was a prophet.

My bad...

I always seem to miss the nevi (Heb. prophet) alerts.

167 Racer X  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:00:54am
168 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:01:15am

re: #159 MandyManners

I've never seen sausage post.

I think I just got hung out to dry!

169 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:01:18am

re: #129 ralphieboy

We can't post "Thou shalt not kill" on government property because it's too controversial? Heck, we should be able to put it up in every gas chamber and on electric chair to remind those murderers that we are doing it in God's name...

And remember, God is a clearly defined concept in Glenn Beck's mind, and in the mind of every free American. There should be no debate, dispute or controvery about what he looks like or what he wants.

Please tell me you forgot your sarcasm and hyperbole tags...

170 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #154 MandyManners

A cucumber in every pot?

Done it.

Oh, I thought it said "Smoke pot in a cucumber."

171 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:01:38am

re: #162 MrSilverDragon

I liked Beck so much better when he was singing songs like "Loser" or "Devil's Haircut", not going off on twisted tirades like this.

/

I love Johnny Cash's cover of his song "Rowboat."

172 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:01:45am
173 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:02:22am

re: #67 subsailor68

LOL! What, and ruin a perfectly good rant?

And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those peaky kids!

174 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:02:24am

Once the church and state are connected, watch out.

I fart in the general direction of that duo.

175 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:02:31am

re: #157 davinvalkri

...okay, I hope my mother stops watching Beck now. This is just getting...argh...

Hey Beck! I'm not just atheist! I'm an agnostic ANTI-THEIST! Whadaya say to that, ah?!

Hey Beck! I'm not just an atheist, I'm a Unitarian Atheist so I still go to church most Sundays. What do you have to say to that?

176 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:03:04am

naked athiests with coins

177 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:03:12am

re: #129 ralphieboy

I'm trying to figure out if there's a point somewhere in here.

178 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #167 Racer X

Laughing With

[Video]

I love her. Seriously... I love her.

179 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #165 Mad Al-Jaffee

We need a cure for this.

LOL!
Bully!

/and if you have a beef with that, I'll explain it

180 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:03:29am

re: #151 reloadingisnotahobby

Carters 85...So F&*&$ what!
I take it nobody sang the senile asshole Happy Birthday??
I must have missed that thread!
///

We're still trying to find his birthday present, the rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
//

181 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:08am

re: #179 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You corn explain it by hashing it out.

182 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #129 ralphieboy

We can't post "Thou shalt not kill" on government property because it's too controversial? Heck, we should be able to put it up in every gas chamber and on electric chair to remind those murderers that we are doing it in God's name...

And remember, God is a clearly defined concept in Glenn Beck's mind, and in the mind of every free American. There should be no debate, dispute or controvery about what he looks like or what he wants.

There is no "Thou shalt not kill" in the Ten Commandments.

183 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:14am

re: #170 Ben Hur

Ah! The old"Immigrant field workers bong"
Except the Senoritas laughed at you sucking on a
Cucumber!

184 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:26am

re: #179 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
Bully!

/and if you have a beef with that, I'll explain it

What have you been smoking today?

185 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #182 Ben Hur

it says

no murder

186 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:44am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

"Social justice" is a blasphemous term all by itself, because adding "social" to the word "justice" means that you are not pursuing justice, but pursuing a social agenda that you are trying to pass off as "justice."

Modifiers added to words like "justice" are a sneaky way of putting a thumb on the scale.

ZING.

187 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:48am

re: #147 drcordell

I love how the term "social justice" is now a blasphemous term to right-wing "Christians" such as Beck. If Christ himself walked the earth at this very moment he would be labeled as a crazy, DFH "community organizer" and pilloried relentlessly by those who claim to be acting in God's name.

I literally almost threw up on my keyboard watching Beck spew this garbage. Listening to him you'd think that corporations are somehow all that is right and holy. What ever happened to "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."?

I think you're absolutely wrong.

"community organizers" are at least just as self-serving as you believe your hated "corporations" are; in my opinion their focus on perpetuating a "victim mentality" is far worse for people than a business that offers a person an opportunity to do for themselves.

188 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:04:55am

Time to open up the Spy window again. The creeps are starting to come out in the Tim Blair thread.

189 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:05:21am

re: #129 ralphieboy

God is a clearly defined concept in Glenn Beck's mind, and in the mind of every free American. There should be no debate, dispute or controvery about what he looks like or what he wants.

Really?

/for the record ... devout Christian at this end

190 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:05:31am

re: #88 Baier

I agree with Jimmah on one point ...

" ... stop making these idle threats."

It's time to back up some of these threats.

191 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:05:32am

re: #185 Ojoe

it says

no murder

That was my point.

DING for you.

192 Irenicum  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:05:58am

re: #177 Charles

Now that you mention it, it is kinda incoherent. Odd.

193 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:06:08am

re: #183 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah! The old"Immigrant field workers bong"
Except the Senoritas laughed at you sucking on a
Cucumber!

I'm great with snake bites.

194 affenkopf  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:06:23am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

"Social justice" is a blasphemous term all by itself, because adding "social" to the word "justice" means that you are not pursuing justice, but pursuing a social agenda that you are trying to pass off as "justice."

Modifiers added to words like "justice" are a sneaky way of putting a thumb on the scale.

Couldn't agree more. F.A. Hayek described social as the ultimate weasel word (in 'The Fatal Conceit') - sucking the meaning out of every word it is attached to.

195 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:06:46am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

"Social justice" is a blasphemous term all by itself, because adding "social" to the word "justice" means that you are not pursuing justice, but pursuing a social agenda that you are trying to pass off as "justice."

Modifiers added to words like "justice" are a sneaky way of putting a thumb on the scale.

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

196 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:00am

Social pickles.

197 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:31am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

You on the other hand are not acting I would guess.

198 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:38am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

You should know.

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #167 Racer X

200 albusteve  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

ho hum

201 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:55am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

Social justice has also been superseded by environmental justice in some circles, and the result is similar.

202 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:07:58am

re: #132 Spare O'Lake

re: #190 CommonCents

Missed your post there O'Lake. Apologies for the duplication.

203 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:08:00am

Stop acting like a pickle.

204 Baier  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #196 jaunte

Social pickles.

Relish solitude.

205 Racer X  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:08:09am

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

I love her. Seriously... I love her.

Get in line!

;-)

206 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:08:30am

re: #184 Mad Al-Jaffee

What have you been smoking today?

Nothing. I've been bacon a cake.

207 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:09:11am
208 affenkopf  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

Christian and Jewish traditions have many parts about helping the poor, none of them however are about how you should tax others so that they help the poor whether they want it or not.

209 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #206 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nothing. I've been bacon a cake.

Didja' know I was coming?

210 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:09:39am

re: #198 MandyManners

You should know.

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

211 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:09:50am

re: #203 Ben Hur

Stop acting like a pickle.

in bed

212 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:30am

'Social Justice' does require a thumb on the scales, and so always becomes a fight over whose thumb.

213 bosforus  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:31am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

Through voluntary acts of the followers, not through mandate.

214 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:31am

re: #208 affenkopf

Christian and Jewish traditions have many parts about helping the poor, none of them however are about how you should tax others so that they help the poor whether they want it or not.

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

215 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:39am
216 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:45am

re: #205 Racer X

Get in line!

;-)


Honestly, when people want to talk about amazing Jewish women...

Though she does look a little too much like my sister though.

217 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:10:53am

re: #210 drcordell

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

You get schooled in No. 207.

218 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:11:09am

re: #211 Mad Al-Jaffee

in bed

Gherkin?

219 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #210 drcordell

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

There was no "substance" to your post other than semantics.

220 gearhead  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:11:22am

Breaking new ground again? Has he broken through to the Earth's core yet?

(Ah, a midday pun thread. I guess I'll be putting off my procrastination recovery program for at least another day...)

221 Racer X  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:11:31am

re: #212 jaunte

'Social Justice' does require a thumb on the scales, and so always becomes a fight over whose thumb.

BANG!

Right between the eyes.

222 Mark Pennington  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:11:38am

Can you imagine a more pathetic existence than being a Glenn freaking nutbar Beck follower?

223 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:03am

re: #195 drcordell

Deut: 16:20: Justice. Only Justice Shall Thou Pursue.

From the Hebrew transliteration: Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof.

There is only one form of justice. All justice is in pursuit of the ultimate justice. Social justice is a perversion of true justice in pursuit of redistribution of wealth and power.

224 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #147 drcordell

I love how the term "social justice" is now a blasphemous term to right-wing "Christians" such as Beck. If Christ himself walked the earth at this very moment he would be labeled as a crazy, DFH "community organizer" and pilloried relentlessly by those who claim to be acting in God's name.

I literally almost threw up on my keyboard watching Beck spew this garbage. Listening to him you'd think that corporations are somehow all that is right and holy. What ever happened to "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."?

Jesus was a sailor
When he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching
From his lonely wooden tower
But just when he knew for certain
Only drowning men could see him
He said "All men will be sailors, then
Until the sea shall free them
But he Himself was broken
Long before the sky would open
Forsaken almost human
He sank beneath your wisdom
Like a stone

And you want to travel with him
And you want to travel blind
And you think maybe you'll trust him
For he's touched your perfect body
With His mind

- Leonard Cohen, Suzanne

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:10am

re: #209 MandyManners

Didja' know I was coming?

I'z lockin' th' door if icing you comin' 'round th' corner!

/I think I'm trying too hard

226 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:25am

re: #216 LudwigVanQuixote
So how olds your Sister??;-)

227 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:44am

re: #222 beekiller

Can you imagine a more pathetic existence than being a Glenn freaking nutbar Beck follower?

Yes... and thanks for reminding me about my horrid existence! (cry)

/

228 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

The Torah says, "Justice, justice you shall pursue." It does not say "Social justice, social justice..."

It also cautions not only against perverting justice by favoring the rich through bribes, but against favoring the poor through pity. Justice is evenhanded. "Social" justice is not.

Again with the fucking semantics. How about I substitute "tikkun olam" with social justice? Would that satisfy you? You understand exactly what I'm talking about, and exactly what my point is. And instead of bringing something substantive to the debate you just act like a snarky asshole.

229 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:53am

re: #210 drcordell

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

Maybe you should re-read:
re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

The Torah says, "Justice, justice you shall pursue." It does not say "Social justice, social justice..."

It also cautions not only against perverting justice by favoring the rich through bribes, but against favoring the poor through pity. Justice is evenhanded. "Social" justice is not.

230 Dianna  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:12:58am

re: #210 drcordell

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

He addressed your point, quite clearly.

Charity is charity, a gift and kindness. Justice can only be applied to and for individuals.

231 gearhead  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:13:22am

re: #222 beekiller

Can you imagine a more pathetic existence than being a Glenn freaking nutbar Beck follower?

Al Franken constituent?

232 Picayune  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:13:25am

OT: Cavuto on FNC just ran a clip of Dan Rather commenting on his law suit, claiming that the fake documents were one element in the story, but that his employer killed his story on Bush/TANG because they were afraid of blow back from the Fed Reg Agency, and that, YES, his story is still accurate.

Good God - all ego, all the time. Climb up that tree a little higher Dan, and expose even more of your backside.

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:13:39am

re: #195 drcordell

You're just playing semantics in order to act like a prick. Whatever you want to call it, social justice is firmly rooted in both Christian and Jewish traditions.

I think you just got in over your head.

234 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:05am

re: #147 drcordell

Hmm...who was it who said 'Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...'?

235 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:06am

Ahhh...Tikun Olam.

The ShamWow of Jewish theology.

236 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:08am
237 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:44am

re: #225 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'z lockin' th' door if icing you comin' 'round th' corner!

/I think I'm trying too hard

238 albusteve  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:50am

re: #228 drcordell

Again with the fucking semantics. How about I substitute "tikkun olam" with social justice? Would that satisfy you? You understand exactly what I'm talking about, and exactly what my point is. And instead of bringing something substantive to the debate you just act like a snarky asshole.

prick
snarky asshole
?

239 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #234 Fenway_Nation

Rhetorical ..Right?

240 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #214 drcordell

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

That's about paying the taxes, not about so-called social justice. If anything, it's an endorcement of the separation of Church and State from the almighty.

241 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #210 drcordell

Buzzsaw is acting like a prick. Rather than address any of the substance of my post, he jumps in to play semantics and side-track the discussion.

I'd be uprating you to counter the downdings if you'd quit with the ad homonym attacks.

242 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:15:54am
243 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #232 Picayune

OT: Cavuto on FNC just ran a clip of Dan Rather commenting on his law suit, claiming that the fake documents were one element in the story, but that his employer killed his story on Bush/TANG because they were afraid of blow back from the Fed Reg Agency, and that, YES, his story is still accurate.

Good God - all ego, all the time. Climb up that tree a little higher Dan, and expose even more of your backside.

Don't look, Ethel!

244 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:15:58am

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

The Torah says, "Justice, justice you shall pursue." It does not say "Social justice, social justice..."

It also cautions not only against perverting justice by favoring the rich through bribes, but against favoring the poor through pity. Justice is evenhanded. "Social" justice is not.

I would be very careful about saying that Buzzy.

When Cain asks "Am I my brothers keeper?" One could clearly argue that the entire rest of the Torah is a very strong answer YES to that question.

We stop a pursuer, because we have a duty to protect the pursued.

We do not return an escaped slave to his master.

We do not put a stumbling block before the blind. From this we learn about truth in education, honesty in contracts and honesty in government as well as responsibilities of the king to his people.

We put a fence around our roof so someone might not fall off. From this we learn all manner of law involving the responsibilities of a property owner.

We are commanded to feed the poor, clothe the naked and take up the cause of the widow and the orphan.

No Buzzy, you are wrong. The entire aim of the social laws in Torah is to create a moral and socially just society.

245 egregious philbin  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:16:24am

Hey Glenn, I am a "none" I am a Republican, and I vote.

So Suck It.

We have lost Safire, Kristol and Buckley in the last year, now, look who speaks for conservatives, Beck, Limbaugh and Savage. Two one time drug addicts with no college education, and a raving lunatic "Dr." who does a raging WWE show every night. Oh, and Mark Levin, who, rather than explain, he screams.

We are doomed if we let these douchebags speak for us.

246 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #228 drcordell

Again with the fucking semantics. How about I substitute "tikkun olam" with social justice? Would that satisfy you? You understand exactly what I'm talking about, and exactly what my point is. And instead of bringing something substantive to the debate you just act like a snarky asshole.

Tikkun olam doesn't mean the same thing; it does not require distorting the scales of justice the way "social justice" does, and it does not involve coercion.

You are being the snarky asshole by not accepting any of the arguments against you without resorting to name calling. Instead, you claim none of the arguments are substantive, when they are.

247 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:04am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

"Tikkun olam" is a religious concept that refers to collecting and reuniting the sparks of holiness that were scattered during the process of Creation.

It is not a euphemism for "leftist cause du jour."

Much better than my ShamWow analogy.

248 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:08am

re: #210 drcordell


Wah wah wah...when you're done growing a thicker skin, maybe you can tell us some more about how Operation Iraqi Freedom is really a seeekrit Dominionist plot to convert all the hapless brown people to Christianity (even tho' Al Qaeda's doing a bang-up job of destroying Islamic places of worship on their own).

249 Picayune  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:16am

re: #243 MandyManners

Lucy, Lucy, Lucy!

250 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:23am

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

Only drowning men could see him

One of the best lines ever

BBL

251 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:34am

re: #241 Conservative Moonbat

I'd be uprating you to counter the downdings if you'd quit with the ad homonym attacks.

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

252 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #237 MandyManners

Holy Cow!
Where'd that come from?

/ ... THANK YOU!

253 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:18:23am

re: #251 drcordell

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

So buzzsaw is the reason your Karma is so rockin good? Man he gets around!!

254 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:18:58am

Dianna, I would respectfully ask why you downdinged that comment. What exactly in that is NOT Torah?

I don't care if you ding me, but dinging Torah, pisses me off.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:19:13am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

"Tikkun olam" is a religious concept that refers to collecting and reuniting the sparks of holiness that were scattered during the process of Creation.

It is not a euphemism for "leftist cause du jour."

You are correct. Of course, too many Jews tend to take it that way.

256 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:19:17am

re: #251 drcordell

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

Buzz is "pulling" nothing.
You are the one who "pulls the same shit" every thread.
Immediate viciousness toward anyone who dares disagree with you.
Even your supporter conservative moonbat noticed.

257 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:19:36am

re: #249 Picayune

Lucy, Lucy, Lucy!

No, this Ethel.


258 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:19:47am

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

And to do so is to pursue justice - not one that is blinded or coopted by other causes as one deems fit based on the philosophy of the day.

Adding the qualifies undermines justice because it isn't justice you're pursuing, but a distinct subset that may actually be antithetical to justice.

259 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:19:54am

re: #245 egregious philbin

We are doomed if we let these douchebags speak for us.

Do think you can shut them up?

Freedom of Speech is guaranteed in this country.

It is time for a center party.


BBL

260 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:20:28am

Forcing people to be their brother's keepers isn't justice.

261 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:20:32am

re: #256 reine.de.tout

Buzz is "pulling" nothing.
You are the one who "pulls the same shit" every thread.
Immediate viciousness toward anyone who dares disagree with you.
Even your supporter conservative moonbat noticed.

I really don't care if anyone disagrees with me. That's not the point at all. The point is he takes my entire statement, focuses in on a single word, ascribes HIS OWN narrow definition to that word, and turns the entire discussion into a debate over the semantics of that word.

262 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:00am

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

I would be very careful about saying that Buzzy.

When Cain asks "Am I my brothers keeper?" One could clearly argue that the entire rest of the Torah is a very strong answer YES to that question.

We stop a pursuer, because we have a duty to protect the pursued.

We do not return an escaped slave to his master.

We do not put a stumbling block before the blind. From this we learn about truth in education, honesty in contracts and honesty in government as well as responsibilities of the king to his people.

We put a fence around our roof so someone might not fall off. From this we learn all manner of law involving the responsibilities of a property owner.

We are commanded to feed the poor, clothe the naked and take up the cause of the widow and the orphan.

No Buzzy, you are wrong. The entire aim of the social laws in Torah is to create a moral and socially just society.

But, to go back to what started this, we aren't to do that by perverting justice by favoring the poor over the rich. So called "social justice" does that.

263 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:03am

Ooh. Sex clinics.

264 Dianna  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:18am

re: #254 LudwigVanQuixote

Dianna, I would respectfully ask why you downdinged that comment. What exactly in that is NOT Torah?

I don't care if you ding me, but dinging Torah, pisses me off.

I'm down-dinging that remark because you're arguing as if moral injuctions to individuals - which will, if said individuals follow those injunctions lead to a peaceable, harmonious and just society - somehow justify "social justice", which is both a nonsense term, and a way to justify things I have no time for.

Like the pretense that charity is a right, which it is not.

265 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:29am

re: #246 Kosh's Shadow

Tikkun olam doesn't mean the same thing; it does not require distorting the scales of justice the way "social justice" does, and it does not involve coercion.

You are being the snarky asshole by not accepting any of the arguments against you without resorting to name calling. Instead, you claim none of the arguments are substantive, when they are.

You are absolutely correct. The theme that justice must be tempered with mercy, but not overwhelmed by it is best expressed by the Talmud:

When you are merciful to those who deserve justice, you will ultimately be cruel to those who deserve mercy.

266 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:35am

re: #263 MandyManners

Ooh. Sex clinics.

That's gonna be one hot thread.

267 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:21:57am

I prefer the coke sniffing alcoholic Beck, because when you are a Wacky DJ, no one listens to you after 9 am.

268 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:22:40am

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

But, to go back to what started this, we aren't to do that by perverting justice by favoring the poor over the rich. So called "social justice" does that.

YOUR definition of social justice says that. In my opinion social justice means equality. It's basically interchangeable with the term justice. The term social merely serves to clarify, not fundamentally change the definition of the word.

269 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:22:44am
270 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:23:46am

re: #258 lawhawk

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

See my 265. However, do not kid yourself that there is a very strong obligation in Torah law on all levels from leader to elders to individuals to protect the weak, feed the poor and clothe the naked, as well as all manner of inunction of against what would be called social injustice these days.

271 Dianna  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:23:50am

re: #268 drcordell

Equality is a lovely word, but, equality of what is the question.

272 Picayune  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:24:01am

re: #257 MandyManners

Gotcha now. Ray of the "First Self-Righteous Church"/squirrel fame.

You can catch Cavuto's interview w/ Dan at 3 central time today.

273 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:24:12am

re: #261 drcordell

I really don't care if anyone disagrees with me. That's not the point at all. The point is he takes my entire statement, focuses in on a single word, ascribes HIS OWN narrow definition to that word, and turns the entire discussion into a debate over the semantics of that word.

And you are participating because you prefer your own semantics of the word.

274 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:25:01am
275 What, me worry?  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #255 Kosh's Shadow

You are correct. Of course, too many Jews tend to take it that way.

I take a bit of umbrage to "leftist cause du jour". Speaking of semantics, so Darfur in particular is a leftist cause? Republicans don't support Africans? Well maybe they don't. If those are only "leftist" causes than I'm proud to be one (a leftist and a Darfur supporter).

When people on the Right go off on this kind of stuff, separating good-deed-doing into a right/left agenda, it makes me think they are not giving, caring and compassionate people.

Is helping those in Darfur social justice?

276 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #269 buzzsawmonkey

I completely agree that the entire aim of the social laws in the Torah is to create a moral and socially just society. Which is to say that the aim of these laws is justice--not "social justice."

That is why there is a minimum mandated for leaving the corners of one's field for the poor--but no maximum specified. The minimum is mandated as a matter of justice; the maximum is left up to the individual's heart and generosity, and is not compelled.

Justice is evenhanded; "social justice" is not.

Again, what exactly is the difference? How is compelling someone to leave a minimum amount of their fields for the poor merely "justice" and not "social justice."? You just have a problem with the phrase "social justice" because it has a negative connotation in your mind. Fundamentally it is no different than the term justice.

277 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:26:16am

re: #268 drcordell

YOUR definition of social justice says that. In my opinion social justice means equality. It's basically interchangeable with the term justice. The term social merely serves to clarify, not fundamentally change the definition of the word.

So you have three words for equality? That might explain why you're so long-winded yet manage to say nothing substantive.

278 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:27:14am

re: #273 reine.de.tout

And you are participating because you prefer your own semantics of the word.

The point is I didn't make the post to debate justice vs. social justice. Is that not clear? The post was with regard to Glenn Beck's perversion of the gospel, not to get into a debate with buzzsaw over why being mandated to leave a corner of your field for the poor is "justice" but not "social justice."

279 albusteve  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #278 drcordell

The point is I didn't make the post to debate justice vs. social justice. Is that not clear? The post was with regard to Glenn Beck's perversion of the gospel, not to get into a debate with buzzsaw over why being mandated to leave a corner of your field for the poor is "justice" but not "social justice."

when you come to a fork in the road, take it

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:28:55am

Personally, I would prefer it if we went back to using our original "currency motto".

281 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:29:08am

re: #277 Fenway_Nation

So you have three words for equality? That might explain why you're so long-winded yet manage to say nothing substantive.

For fucks sake, I said nothing substantive because this debate is POINTLESS. I made a post questioning how Glenn Beck can call himself a Christian when he would deride Jesus as a DFH "community organizer" if he were around today. And because I happened to use the phrase "social justice" instead of "equality" or "justice" buzzsaw saw it fit to drag the entire thread into the semantic weeds.

282 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:29:43am

re: #278 drcordell

The point is I didn't make the post to debate justice vs. social justice. Is that not clear? The post was with regard to Glenn Beck's perversion of the gospel, not to get into a debate with buzzsaw over why being mandated to leave a corner of your field for the poor is "justice" but not "social justice."

If you would just drop social from justice there would be nothing for you to argue about. Probably not going to happen. Social Justice has a bad connotation for folks who work for a living.

283 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:30:05am
284 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #281 drcordell

For fucks sake, I said nothing substantive because this debate is POINTLESS. I made a post questioning how Glenn Beck can call himself a Christian when he would deride Jesus as a DFH "community organizer" if he were around today. And because I happened to use the phrase "social justice" instead of "equality" or "justice" buzzsaw saw it fit to drag the entire thread into the semantic weeds.

IMO, a good lesson as to why words are important, and why it's important to take care to say exactly what one means.

In my corner of the world, leaving "a corner of the field" open for the poor is charity (love), not "justice".

285 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey

Leaving the corners of the field is "justice" because it is a divine commandment from, and by, the Source of Justice--and a reminder that one's substance is not entirely one's own, but a divine gift, which must be acknowledged by leaving a portion of it for divinely-mandated distribution to the less fortunate.

Since you asked.

Right. Now explain to me how the term "social justice" would not apply to that same act of charity?

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #264 Dianna

I'm down-dinging that remark because you're arguing as if moral injuctions to individuals - which will, if said individuals follow those injunctions lead to a peaceable, harmonious and just society - somehow justify "social justice", which is both a nonsense term, and a way to justify things I have no time for.

Like the pretense that charity is a right, which it is not.

You are wrong on both parts. I was specifically referring to Torah Law. You have every right to not believe in it. However, you should not distort what it says.

For starters, to give charity, tzedukah, is an obligation on all people. Since, from a Torah view, G-d defines what is right, when He commands you to give charity and then explains why, when He says that there will always be poor amongst you, and that you give in essence in order to improve yourselves and become closer to Him, it becomes apparent that this is not only right as per Torah, but a major commandment. Even the poor are obligated to give what they can to help others.

Also, this is not meant to just be a blind hand out. That is actually the lowest level of charity in many ways.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
[Link: www.mechon-mamre.org...]

As to the rest. NO. even the king is bound by the Law. So are the Elders and all holders of authority.

287 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:31:35am

Charles ,

The 'New Comments' feature is freaking. It claimed 37 new comments but only Three came in. Not the first time I've noticed this error either.

Something wrong your end or mine ?

288 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #251 drcordell

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

Then either be prepared to fight on his turf or bring the debate back to the subject at hand. Don't be afraid to point out that the debate has been dragged into the weeds. I'm not saying this to be snarky, but to point out that you're ceding any credible argument you have with him. Cite reasons why his rhetorical definitions are wrong and then continue the debate on firmer ground.

You can call out straw man arguments without resorting to ad hominems.

289 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:33:35am
290 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:33:57am

re: #276 drcordell

Again, what exactly is the difference? How is compelling someone to leave a minimum amount of their fields for the poor merely "justice" and not "social justice."? You just have a problem with the phrase "social justice" because it has a negative connotation in your mind. Fundamentally it is no different than the term justice.

It is one thing to have a minimum social safety net to try to ensure that noone starves, noone is denied emergency medical treatment, and that no child is denied a basic education.
It is quite another thing for the government to squash the entrepreneurial spirit and to confiscate the fruits of our labour through discriminatory laws and excessive taxation.
That is a huge difference.

291 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:34:15am

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

Say rather, why do you feel compelled to take the word "justice" and append to it, wholly unnecessarily, the word "social?"

Keep dancing around the question at hand rather than answering it.

292 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #285 drcordell

'Social Justice' is pretty much a more saccharine and palatable phrasing of 'wealth redistribution'.

293 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:35:50am

re: #268 drcordell

YOUR definition of social justice says that. In my opinion social justice means equality. It's basically interchangeable with the term justice. The term social merely serves to clarify, not fundamentally change the definition of the word.

Opinions are relative, definitions are not. Social justice according to Dictionary.com:

Main Entry: social justice
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the distribution of advantages and disadvantages within a society

That's the definition.

294 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:36:36am

re: #290 Spare O'Lake

It is one thing to have a minimum social safety net to try to ensure that noone starves, noone is denied emergency medical treatment, and that no child is denied a basic education.
It is quite another thing for the government to squash the entrepreneurial spirit and to confiscate the fruits of our labour through discriminatory laws and excessive taxation.
That is a huge difference.

A huge difference that you have created wholly out of thin air. The term "social justice" is extremely broad. To some it means exactly what you stated in the first part of your answer, which is a basic social safety net. To others it may mean discriminatory laws and excessive taxation. The point is, it's an extremely broad term. Just because you read "social justice" and see "COMMUNISM" doesn't mean that is the exclusive definition.

295 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:36:57am
296 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:37:21am

re: #292 Fenway_Nation

'Social Justice' is pretty much a more saccharine and palatable phrasing of 'wealth redistribution'.

In your opinion. That ONE definition of social justice.

297 Summer Seale  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:37:25am

*raises her hand*

I'd like to be counted as one of those responsible with everything wrong with America, then.

Thank you.

Summer.

P.S. We're going global and trying to expand from America to the entire world. So watch out!

298 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:38:14am

re: #296 drcordell

In your opinion. That ONE definition of social justice.

See my #293 for the definition of "social justice" as presented in the dictionary.

299 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #292 Fenway_Nation

'Social Justice' is pretty much a more saccharine and palatable phrasing of 'wealth redistribution'.

"social justice" imo is a completely meaningless term, used to try to FORCE people who might not be otherwise inclined to exhibit a bit of charity (love) toward fellow humans.

My uneducated and very simple take on it - some measure of justice might be attained when one cares for their fellow man; but the reason for doing so, in my book anyhow, isn't because it's demanded of me under some secular "social justice" requirement, but out of a faith in God and a desire to do right.

300 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

I have answered it. It is you who are madly committed to the term "social justice," rather than the simple term "justice."

If your "social justice" were the same thing as real justice, you wouldn't have a problem ditching the prefix. Since you clearly have a problem with ditching the prefix, you prove and re-prove that "social justice" is a fraud masquerading as the genuine article. The question is why you have such a problem admitting to this.

I have no problem ditching the social! Social merely narrows the definition of justice to the socio-economic realm. As differentiated from, say, criminal justice. The fact that you are so hung up on the semantics is your problem, not mine. Just because you ascribe an extremely narrow meaning to the term doesn't mean everyone else does.

301 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:39:36am

re: #296 drcordell

In your opinion. That ONE definition of social justice.


Apparently it's also Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales' definition as well.

302 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #301 Fenway_Nation

Apparently it's also Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales' definition as well.

Ah I see. So because Hitler used the teachings of Darwin to push his sick form of eugenics we must always consider Hitler when we speak of evolution?

303 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #302 drcordell

Ah I see. So because Hitler used the teachings of Darwin to push his sick form of eugenics we must always consider Hitler when we speak of evolution?

Where the hell did you pull this from?

OK, Cordell, I hereby proclaim you in violation of Godwin's Law and you have therefore lost the argument.

304 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

Where the hell did you pull this from?

OK, Cordell, I hereby proclaim you in violation of Godwin's Law and you have therefore lost the argument.

I forgot the sarc tag at the end of the post. It was posted in response to Fenway_nation's assertion that Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales are the arbiters of the one true definition of social justice.

305 albusteve  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:48:23am

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

Where the hell did you pull this from?

OK, Cordell, I hereby proclaim you in violation of Godwin's Law and you have therefore lost the argument.

prick and snarky asshole lost it to me...
out
of
control

306 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #304 drcordell

I forgot the sarc tag at the end of the post. It was posted in response to Fenway_nation's assertion that Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales are the arbiters of the one true definition of social justice.

1. You had no sarc tag. Even if you did, you did drag Hitler into this in violation of Godwin.
2. He never said they were the arbiters, he said that was their definition as well.
3. Read the dictionary definition.

307 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:55:11am
On the verge of weeping, Glenn Beck launches into one of his most bizarre rants yet, blaming godless atheists for everything wrong in America. And I do mean everything.

Scanning for butthurt...massive butthurt detected:

308 drcordell  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #306 Honorary Yooper

1. You had no sarc tag. Even if you did, you did drag Hitler into this in violation of Godwin.
2. He never said they were the arbiters, he said that was their definition as well.
3. Read the dictionary definition.

He implied that his definition was the true definition, as shared by Chavez and Morales.

And here is the definition I found: "the distribution of advantages and disadvantages within a society"

How exactly is that crazy leftism?

309 yoshicastmaster  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:07:47pm

so what is glenny proposing? churches as a stimulus plan?

and, btw, many founders were deists. just how does the god of a deist reward a god-fearing country?

ALSO, human rights as divine command? So... it just took the Church CENTURIES to figure that out? (and to stop torturing nonbelievers?) And when it did, the Church often finds itself taking cues from government driven works like the UDHR?

complete. nonsense.

310 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:11:12pm

re: #14 Baier

Or this.

Or this!

311 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:16:43pm

re: #53 bosforus

Maybe I'm taking you too seriously but... you may want to rethink your reasons for going to church...

Hah. People often do. Take me too seriously, that is.

312 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #308 drcordell

He implied that his definition was the true definition, as shared by Chavez and Morales.

And here is the definition I found: "the distribution of advantages and disadvantages within a society"

How exactly is that crazy leftism?

Crazy leftism and what's more...blasphemy!///

313 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:20:51pm

re: #251 drcordell

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

I thought this was a Semitic debate. //

[ducks]

314 S'latch  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:24:36pm

Glenn Beck is televangalistic.

315 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:24:39pm
316 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:26:16pm

Flounce away, little flounceling!

317 jaunte  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:26:21pm

[deleted], we hardly knew ye.

318 S'latch  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:26:31pm

Flounce not, lest ye be blocked.

319 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:27:49pm

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

"Social justice" is a blasphemous term all by itself, because adding "social" to the word "justice" means that you are not pursuing justice, but pursuing a social agenda that you are trying to pass off as "justice."

Modifiers added to words like "justice" are a sneaky way of putting a thumb on the scale.

The Catholic Church has an official policy on social justice.

I guess that must be blasphemy, in your eyes.

320 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:32:27pm
321 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:37:13pm

re: #320 buzzsawmonkey

Not being a Catholic, I wouldn't presume to comment on what is or is not Catholic blasphemy.

Putting thumbs on the justice scale with modifiers blasphemes against the word "justice," in my view--whether one believes in a deity or not, or whether one belongs to a church or not.

You are free to disagree, of course--but you are then under the onus of explaining why something that is a matter of "justice" has to be stuck with the extraneous modifier.

I did not know you could blaspheme against an abstract noun. Learn something new every day.

You can be as allergic to the word "social" as you like. I think it's laughable.

Are you against poetic justice as well?

322 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:37:57pm
323 cptsci  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 12:51:09pm

Anyone raised in the church has heard the same sermon their whole life. The atheists are responsible for everything bad in the world. Yet as most people know, the majority of crimes committed today (and in the history of the civilized world) are done by people who subscribe to some religion or another. I am a "recovering" Christian, and neither I nor anyone I know who is an atheist could be even slightly considered to a menace to society. All are educated, employed, tax-paying, healthy, responsible and respectable people. What groups are constantly in the news for murdering, torturing, oppressing, etc?

324 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #323 cptsci

Anyone raised in the church has heard the same sermon their whole life. The atheists are responsible for everything bad in the world. Yet as most people know, the majority of crimes committed today (and in the history of the civilized world) are done by people who subscribe to some religion or another. I am a "recovering" Christian, and neither I nor anyone I know who is an atheist could be even slightly considered to a menace to society. All are educated, employed, tax-paying, healthy, responsible and respectable people. What groups are constantly in the news for murdering, torturing, oppressing, etc?

Every single imaginable group, including atheists.

I personally don't know any murdering, torturing, oppressing Catholics. But they exist.

Your statement is meaningless.

325 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:06:45pm

re: #323 cptsci

Anyone raised in the church has heard the same sermon their whole life. The atheists are responsible for everything bad in the world. Yet as most people know, the majority of crimes committed today (and in the history of the civilized world) are done by people who subscribe to some religion or another. I am a "recovering" Christian, and neither I nor anyone I know who is an atheist could be even slightly considered to a menace to society. All are educated, employed, tax-paying, healthy, responsible and respectable people. What groups are constantly in the news for murdering, torturing, oppressing, etc?

Utterly false.

326 Beholden  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:11:42pm

Isn't he entitled to his opinion? No matter how goofy it is?

327 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:14:12pm

re: #326 Beholden

Isn't he entitled to his opinion? No matter how goofy it is?

Absolutely not! Toss him in jail right now! And put a muzzle on him! He must be silenced!

But seriously, do you realize how ridiculous that question is?

328 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:16:20pm

re: #326 Beholden

Isn't he entitled to his opinion? No matter how goofy it is?

Am I not entitled to comment on the accuracy of his statements?

329 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:20:19pm

re: #254 LudwigVanQuixote

Dianna, I would respectfully ask why you downdinged that comment. What exactly in that is NOT Torah?

I don't care if you ding me, but dinging Torah, pisses me off.

OK.

Now THAT was funny!

330 BlackFedora  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:21:00pm

The adults who had those children singing those songs are indeed brain dead. I shudder to think of all the nonsense I was made to chant as a child by stupid adults. However, this nonsense with the kids... its not as if this is North Korea and those kids are being made to sing those songs by order of the President.

I don't get the continuing paranoia over the Obama personality cult. Sure, it was obnoxious during the election but has anyone looked at his approval rating lately? Geez. Apocalypse.. Yeah.. Not quiet yet.

331 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:24:49pm

re: #324 Cato the Elder

Every single imaginable group, including atheists.

I personally don't know any murdering, torturing, oppressing Catholics. But they exist.

Your statement is meaningless.

Not only "meaningless" but grossly inaccurate. In the last century tens of millions of people were murdered, tortured and oppressed by regimes that subscribed to no religion and were indeed atheists.

332 Mike in Boulder  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:36:16pm
And it's true we are immune when fact is fiction and TV reality

- U2

333 Dreader1962  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:48:47pm

re: #327 Charles

Absolutely not! Toss him in jail right now! And put a muzzle on him! He must be silenced!

But seriously, do you realize how ridiculous that question is?

Charles, don't you know that every time you post a blog topic on Beck, he breaks down blubbering?

Of course, I get the idea he does the same thing if his steak is overcooked.

334 Dreader1962  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 1:50:31pm

re: #331 Bagua

Not only "meaningless" but grossly inaccurate. In the last century tens of millions of people were murdered, tortured and oppressed by regimes that subscribed to no religion and were indeed atheists.

...and it wasn't their atheism that made them do it. Atheism doesn't 'make' anyone do anything - it has nothing to do with morals or ethics.

335 BlackFedora  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:04:57pm

The other thing Re: The children singing videos is they started getting play on the right wing blogs right after they were on Infowars so it makes me wonder if Glenn Beck's staff is reading Infowars pretty religiously.

I think at least one of those videos is from February so.. not sure why its an outrage now.

336 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:08:28pm

re: #334 Dreader1962

Nor did I state that "their atheism that made them do it," that is an entirely separate matter, yet is is clear that their atheism did nothing to deter them from their horrendous crimes, and that their interpretation of "morals and ethics" was grossly lacking.

337 akarra  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #6 thedopefishlives

I'm inclined to agree - I think he has all the means of showmanship down; when I see the clips of him talking to his audience or tea partiers, he's very good with them; they're outraged but listening to him even when he doesn't make the shrillest points he makes at other times.

But just because he can sort-of-control an audience that's insane doesn't mean he's sane himself. Some of his rants are 10 minutes of non-stop talking, where he'll hit on something like 8 separate issues and claim they all tie together perfectly, usually with a not so subtle reference to Nazism. How on earth anyone listens to that day-after-day is a good question; how on earth anyone would think that such ranting is anything good in the first place is a better question.

338 Beholden  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:26:33pm

re: #327 Charles

Absolutely not! Toss him in jail right now! And put a muzzle on him! He must be silenced!

But seriously, do you realize how ridiculous that question is?

It's not ridiculous at all. Everything Beck does or says is apparently blogging gold to you. Well, if it's his opinion that the country is losing it's religion, why is that then subject to your scorn and ridicule? Yes, I know it's your blog and all, I'm just asking, because it seems all the battles you used to fight are taking a back seat a bit.

I understand you need things to post about, but Beck has said and done far stranger things than this. I'll be in line right behind you on the "Beck is crazy" train. I just don't get the constant hammering of him.

339 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #338 Beholden

And now of course, you're moving the goalposts from shouting that Beck has a right to his opinions (which no one ever disputed), to whining about the topics at LGF.

340 calcajun  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:32:46pm

I've deigned to watch Mr. Beck a few times over the past few weeks. He's entertaining, to be sure. But, his show reminds me more of Rush's old TV show from the early 90's-- and that was not good TV.

Like Rush, Beck's act is geared more to talk radio. His over-the-top theatrics are what you would expect to get on a call-in radio show. And--here's the kicker--its not meant to be taken seriously. I don't take it seriously, anyway. My wife, (God love her) can be pretty gullible, heard a few minutes of one show and concluded he could not be for real.

Fox gave him the show, arguably, for ratings purposes. I think Fox would give a mime a radio show (hey--Edgar Bergen had one and he was a hit!) if they thought people would tune in; they don't care about the message.

Where does this leave us? Well, Beck will fizzle and fade-- as do all such forms on entertainment. In the meantime, he'll keep stirring up people until the public tires of him--or some Fox exec finds another outrageous circus act for his time slot.

341 calcajun  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 2:35:04pm

re: #324 Cato the Elder

I personally don't know any murdering, torturing, oppressing Catholics.

You didn't go to a Jesuit-run school, did you?/

342 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 3:08:38pm

re: #338 Beholden

I understand you need things to post about, but...

You understand little and assume much, what that simpering fool Beck said in this video clip is most certainly deserving of “scorn and ridicule,” and his ascendancy as a “conservative” pundit is quite a subject of concern and germane to the discussion of the current state of the opposition in American politics.

Your displeasure with the topics however, are irrelevant and quite easily cured by doing your reading and commenting elsewhere.

343 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #302 drcordell

Ah I see. So because Hitler used the teachings of Darwin to push his sick form of eugenics we must always consider Hitler when we speak of evolution?

Wow. It is truly an honor and a privelege to meet one of the brave warriors in the ongoing Global War Against Straw.

Hugo Chavez basically cited equity and justice when he started shutting down opposition media outlets- i.e. it's not fair that these rich people have their newspapers when there are so many poor and destitute people in Caracas. Just a conicidence that the ones that were shut down/siezed were the ones questioning his Bolivar Revolution.

/And it did not take me that long to come up with a rejoinder to your post. It took me that long to get back on the internet.

344 Bagua  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 3:48:41pm

re: #343 Fenway_Nation

Wow. It is truly an honor and a privelege to meet one of the brave warriors in the ongoing Global War Against Straw.

We must thresh this enemy!

345 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 3:54:00pm

re: #251 drcordell

I'd prefer to leave them out as well, but buzzsaw pulls this same shit every thread. He twists what I say to fit into his own rhetorical definitions and then sidetracks the entire thread into a debate over semantics.

You're full of crap on this and you know it...like Charles tells some trolls and flouncers, you can cordially bite me.

346 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 3:59:37pm

Late to the show again, but I did watch the Beck.

All I see is the same old crap from bigots who are now longer able to get away with blaming their failures on gays or peoples of other color; but atheists are still fair game. Sounds exactly like Islamists blaming their failures on Christians (sometimes atheists too, but Christians are easier to find).

No offense meant to the many Christians I know, and know of, who know what Beck is made of, but as far as his argument goes, it seems strange to me that so much could be solved if only one reverted to imaginary good old days, when there has been 2000 years to prove that principle (except of course Beck and Mormonism, which is a latter day invention).

I'm tired of being a closet minority responsible for the failures of so many//

347 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 4:18:09pm

re: #326 Beholden

Beck's entitled to his opinion, just as we are entitled to pillory, mock, and scorn him for it.

348 beholden  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 5:49:47pm

re: #339 Charles

And now of course, you're moving the goalposts from shouting that Beck has a right to his opinions (which no one ever disputed), to whining about the topics at LGF.

Well, maybe I am whining, but I wasn't shouting.

I respect the job you have done and are doing, so I'll just shut up now.

349 asternbe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:03:59pm

This has probably been mentioned before, but in this clip, Glenn Beck seems as if he is performing a bad parody of Lewis Prothero (talk show host in V for Vendetta)...

350 poteen  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:14:52pm

re: #323 cptsci

Anyone raised in the church has heard the same sermon their whole life. The atheists are responsible for everything bad in the world. Yet as most people know, the majority of crimes committed today (and in the history of the civilized world) are done by people who subscribe to some religion or another. I am a "recovering" Christian, and neither I nor anyone I know who is an atheist could be even slightly considered to a menace to society. All are educated, employed, tax-paying, healthy, responsible and respectable people. What groups are constantly in the news for murdering, torturing, oppressing, etc?

Homo Sapien

351 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:26:56pm

re: #338 Beholden

It's not ridiculous at all. Everything Beck does or says is apparently blogging gold to you. Well, if it's his opinion that the country is losing it's religion, why is that then subject to your scorn and ridicule? Yes, I know it's your blog and all, I'm just asking, because it seems all the battles you used to fight are taking a back seat a bit.

I understand you need things to post about, but Beck has said and done far stranger things than this. I'll be in line right behind you on the "Beck is crazy" train. I just don't get the constant hammering of him.

There are millions of minions who think that the reason for everything (bad) is that the country is losing its religion and millions, of smarter ones, who don't.

The point is that Beck is not alone in his craziness. He is one of the most prominent proponents of crazy to most, yet perfectly sane to the real crazies.

That someone like you who has been around as long as me, but been content to mainly lurk for the past 3 years, and now come out to complain at what you consider trivia (because we didn't have as many crazies as Beck 3 years ago; he was even marginally sane then) says a lot more about you than anything to do with this blog.

352 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:29:39pm

re: #349 asternbe

This has probably been mentioned before, but in this clip, Glenn Beck seems as if he is performing a bad parody of Lewis Prothero (talk show host in V for Vendetta)...

Gee wiz, not often I have the pleasure of recognizing a clever first post, even before I know it's a first.

Welcome here.

353 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:32:11pm

I've watched many videos of Beck going overboard that I'm not sure I can take anything he says seriously. Does he really believe that us few, us disorganized atheists of America have influence over the greater American culture, or is he just pandering to right-wing religious conservatives for the ratings?

That said, and for sake of argument, let's say that an invisible, omnipotent creator deity exists. How could any person or persons keep its presence from being known? Seriously.

354 asternbe  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:40:33pm

re: #352 Naso Tang

Thanks, I am glad to finally join the speaking crowd. I have been reading this blog regularly for around four years now, and have only recently chanced upon an 'open door' post before said door closed.

355 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:44:01pm

re: #354 asternbe

We (I anyway) look forward to hearing from you.

356 beholden  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:30:34pm

re: #351 Naso Tang

That someone like you who has been around as long as me, but been content to mainly lurk for the past 3 years, and now come out to complain at what you consider trivia (because we didn't have as many crazies as Beck 3 years ago; he was even marginally sane then) says a lot more about you than anything to do with this blog.


You are right, it says that I mostly agree with Charles, else I would be whining more often. ;)

357 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:40:03pm

re: #356 beholden

I hadn't thought of that. Good point.

:=)

358 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:45:53pm
359 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:47:11pm

Bye now! Have fun storming the castle with Glenn.

360 shutdown  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:50:21pm

OK. I just spent a few minutes browsing Vanderleun's blog, having followed a link on the Polanski story. Questions for more experienced posters:

1) a) Is this guy really just a backward-facing, vaguely paranoid untalented kook? or;
1) b) Is it more sinister than that?

2) What does he have against LGF

3) I can't figure out his organizing principle. Help, please.

361 idioma  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:59:20pm

A response by Thunderf00t.

362 zoidberg  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:14:18pm

Nucking futjob. Seriously, why does Fox bother?

363 zoidberg  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:22:57pm

Actually, no. I take that back - he's not a nutjob. Surely he's taking the piss - I doubt he believes the crap he comes out with.

What an evil asshole.

364 eric  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:07:03am

beck is in way over his head. When I first heard his show, I really enjoyed it. He was funny and sometimes insightful. But this has gone way too far. He should never have left radio where I think he's actually pretty good. A lot of people are feeding him all kinds of conspiracy B.S. and he doesn't seem to have the intellectual heft to discern said B.S. with the truth. Glenn should stick to radio, go back to what he is good at. This television gig is spinning out of control.

365 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:23:23pm

[Obscure movie reference] Glenn Beck is "The Voice of London". Godlessness!


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