Somebody pinch me. I must be having a bad dream. There can’t be this many ignorant anti-vaccination parents playing chicken with the lives of their children: AP Poll: Third of parents oppose swine flu vaccine.
ATLANTA – As the first wave of swine flu vaccine crosses the country, more than a third of parents don’t want their kids vaccinated, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:31:20pm |
People aren’t used to the idea of kids getting flu shots.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:32:16pm |
As the first wave of swine flu vaccine crosses the country, more than a third of parents don’t want their kids vaccinated, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll.
Thanks, Jenny McCarthy!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:34:10pm |
That’s too many for herd immunity to have any effect I’m pretty sure. If you get the shot and have a compromised immune system you’re just screwed because of these assholes.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:34:53pm |
It’s on vaccinations where the right-wing kooks and the left-wing loons agree. What other topic could possibly bring beck and oprah together?
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:36:33pm |
Parents who don’t want their children vaccinated against childhood diseases should be forcefully ’ re-edumacated ‘. Okay, pestered by CPS, anyway…
Headline notwithstanding, the H1N1 vaccine controversy is not the same issue in most cases. Many people who are thoroughly pro-vaccination and pro-science have some questions that they don’t feel have been adequately addressed.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:37:14pm |
re: #7 tradewind
Parents who don’t want their children vaccinated against childhood diseases should be forcefully ’ re-edumacated ‘. Okay, pestered by CPS, anyway…
Headline notwithstanding, the H1N1 vaccine controversy is not the same issue in most cases. Many people who are thoroughly pro-vaccination and pro-science have some questions that they don’t feel have been adequately addressed.
What questions are those?
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:37:14pm |
I’m going to stifle my inner libertarian and say I fully support mandatory vaccinations. There people are a threat to society.
Just out of curiosity, how does this number from parents who don’t want to give their kids a normal seasonal flu shot?
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shiplord kirel Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:37:22pm |
I’m still getting over my bout with H1N1, which arrived in this area a little ahead of the vaccine. Like the 1918 flu, this attacks young healthy people with strong immune systems.
I am 60 and was already under treatment for a sinus infection so I was very fortunate. It is still absolute hell to live with, fever, bodyaches, delirium, etc. and precious little anyone can do about it.
CHILDREN CAN VERY EASILY DIE FROM THIS! One person, a girl in her teens, has in fact died of it already here in Lubbock. I don’t know what else to say. These people are crazy and stupid and their innocent children will have to pay the price for it.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:37:29pm |
(That ’ could your husband be secretly gay’ banner ad is… a hoot…)
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:41:37pm |
re: #11 tradewind
(That ’ could your husband be secretly gay’ banner ad is… a hoot…)
I’m tempted to click it just to see how bad it is.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:41:44pm |
re: #8 Charles
Why there are so many doctors who report that the testing is inadequate; why in some cases receiving a seasonal flu shot appears to actually increase the odds of contracting H1N1… why, despite evidence that this strain is no more virulent than seasonal flu and in many cases appears less so, there is so much emphasis on a single strain.
Every year the regular seasonal flu vaccine includes at least one variant of the H1N1 ’ type ’ among the four or five strains selected… why there is so much emphasis on this one has not been adequately explained.
Please don’t think I have any ideas that there is anything nefarious going on.
My point is that lumping these people who are concerned about this one vacccine in with the nutjob and dangerous anti-vaccination crowd is not valid.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:42:26pm |
re: #13 tradewind
Why there are so many doctors who report that the testing is inadequate; why in some cases receiving a seasonal flu shot appears to actually increase the odds of contracting H1N1… why, despite evidence that this strain is no more virulent than seasonal flu and in many cases appears less so, there is so much emphasis on a single strain.
Every year the regular seasonal flu vaccine includes at least one variant of the H1N1 ’ type ’ among the four or five strains selected… why there is so much emphasis on this one has not been adequately explained.
Please don’t think I have any ideas that there is anything nefarious going on.
My point is that lumping these people who are concerned about this one vacccine in with the nutjob and dangerous anti-vaccination crowd is not valid.
Have any links to back up those assertions?
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Better be quick then, it’s already vanished into the ether here.
:)
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:43:28pm |
Wow. Putting their children, and others, at risk because of their own ignorance. And don’t get me started on those health care ‘professionals’ who refuse to be vaccinated.
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Danny Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:44:49pm |
Our pediatrician does not recommend the H1N1 vaccination for our 14 yr old at this time, only the seasonal vaccine.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:44:53pm |
re: #14 Charles
Not on me. I’m sure you can find some, though. I have talked to my pediatrician, and friends who are MDs, and the opinion is varied. Interestingly enough, not all of them are being vaccinated against H1N1, and the vaccine(nasal) has already started being distributed in my city… it was the first location along with one other.
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Heretic Pride Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:45:32pm |
These anti-vax people are fucking infuriating. Why are they turning their noses up at one of mankind’s greatest accomplishments?
Even worse than the danger to themselves, their idiocy prevents herd immunity, which puts innocent children and people with suppressed immune systems in danger. The anti-vax movement is going to kill thousands of people. So goddamn tragic.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:45:35pm |
re: #14 Charles
Have any links to back up those assertions?
Interesting. Canada says yes, it does increase the risk, but a later American CDC report says it doesn’t increase the risk
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outsidephilly Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:45:51pm |
re: #18 tradewind
Not on me. I’m sure you can find some, though. I have talked to my pediatrician, and friends who are MDs, and the opinion is varied. Interestingly enough, not all of them are being vaccinated against H1N1, and the vaccine(nasal) has already started being distributed in my city… it was the first location along with one other.
Likewise in my area.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:46:00pm |
This is going to end in tears, literally.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:46:30pm |
re: #16 Varek Raith
Ignorance is probably not at work in the case of the doctors who are waiting. Ignorance is what drives the conspiracy/anti-vaxxer movement. The two are not the same thing.
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webevintage Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:46:32pm |
Jesus.
The stupid, it hurts…
My teenager works at WalMart pushing carts (and he is really good about washing his hands) and I promise you he will be first in line to get his “swine flu” shot.
Those carts are gross y’all…
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:46:58pm |
re: #9 Conservative Moonbat
I’m going to stifle my inner libertarian and say I fully support mandatory vaccinations. There people are a threat to society.
Good for you. Libertarians are good folks but they tend to be fundamentalists about it and end up as anarchists. Reality needs to be dealt with no matter what political philosophy one ascribes to.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:48:12pm |
re: #24 webevintage
Props to your teen. I didn’t know kids even worked anymore. Builds character.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:48:43pm |
If there is the faintest chance that vaccines are causing any problems, the tort lawyers will have a field day.
Slip, Fall, and GoBoom (Esquire) praying every day for a windfall from the malpractice and medicine gods.
Ever met a polio victim? That’s ‘cuz polio is survivable, for ever one you meet, how many didn’t even get to wear crutches…and that is just one of the things we vaccinate for.
Vaccines save lives. Don’t play russian roulette with your family. Even if we later find some minor danger, the likelihood of the disease has a greater chance of killing you, than the possible side-effects. The bigger danger is no vax.
I temper this with the following disclaimer; Individuals are just that; individual .Proven family tendencies toward allergic vaccine reactions should always be taken into account. But the choice to include yourself as a disease spreader should not be taken lightly.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:48:54pm |
re: #20 Kosh’s Shadow
Well, there you go. So what’s the verdict?
I just had personal experience with H1N1, my son had it. It was a nasty cold-type illness for a few days, although it came on so suddenly and with such fever that the doctor immediately said ’ H1N1’ and wrote a prescription for Relenza. He was fine in a week. We have had three deaths, all with underlying health issues.
In that case, I would have run, not walked, to be first in line.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:48:54pm |
re: #16 Varek Raith
Wow. Putting their children, and others, at risk because of their own ignorance. And don’t get me started on those health care ‘professionals’ who refuse to be vaccinated.
I agree…Health care professionals that refuse to be vaxxed should be fired…
There is an old saying…You gotta eat your own dog food..
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:50:12pm |
re: #27 swamprat
They did a dandy job of chasing the manufacture of flu vaccine right out of the country after the 1970’s due to just that thing happening.
Health reform without tort reform is useless, and I come from a family of attorneys. They feel the same way.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:51:17pm |
re: #29 HoosierHoops
/Unless the dog food is found to be tainted with melamine from China, and your dog assumes room temperature. You might want to be cautious after an experience like that./
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:51:32pm |
re: #19 Heretic Pride
These anti-vax people are fucking infuriating. Why are they turning their noses up at one of mankind’s greatest accomplishments?
Even worse than the danger to themselves, their idiocy prevents herd immunity, which puts innocent children and people with suppressed immune systems in danger. The anti-vax movement is going to kill thousands of people. So goddamn tragic.
People like Jenny McCarthy think that’s the only way to stop autism. It’s pretty disgusting to endanger children for a false cause.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:52:04pm |
You’d be surprised at how many people will believe stupid crap. I have a relative visiting from out of town right now that seems to have been born without any kind of bullshit filters at all. It’s maddening.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:52:40pm |
re: #18 tradewind
Not on me. I’m sure you can find some, though.
In other words, no, you don’t have any links to back up your assertions.
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marwan's daughter Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:53:15pm |
I work as a scribe in the emergency department, and yes, I will get both the flu and H1N1 vaccine. I don’t do direct patient care but with all the people that come into the emergency department with “flu-like symptoms” I don’t want to take my chances. I cannot afford to get sick and I can’t afford to get others sick.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:53:31pm |
I’m almost afraid to post on the subject…anyway you cannot protect people from themselves no matter how the numbers crunch, or what is considered the truth…the one unique aspect to this particular dilemma is the fact that flu spreads…it’s a conundrum unlikely to be solved anytime soon if ever…the law can require you to wear a seat belt but it probably can’t require you to ingest drugs for the benefit of others…just a random thought
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:53:43pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
People like Jenny McCarthy think that’s the only way to stop autism. It’s pretty disgusting to endanger children for a false cause.
I don’t understanding her reasoning. She claims to have cured her own child’s autism with plant food. If we can give them plant food and fix their autism, why not vaccinate?
//only partially
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Heretic Pride Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:53:46pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
People like Jenny McCarthy think that’s the only way to stop autism. It’s pretty disgusting to endanger children for a false cause.
I am fond of this site: Jenny McCarthy Body Count
I fear it is going to greatly increase in the near future.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:53:54pm |
re: #30 tradewind
They did a dandy job of chasing the manufacture of flu vaccine right out of the country after the 1970’s due to just that thing happening.
Health reform without tort reform is useless, and I come from a family of attorneys. They feel the same way.
Can’t believe I am defending the lawyers, but;
That very thing is one of the checks and balances that makes capitalism work…Because there is a swarm of circling sharks just waiting to get you, if you screw up!
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:54:38pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
You have to figure that people like Jenny McCarthy are looking around for someone, anyone, to blame for something they have no explanation for. The childhood vaccines were a convenient scapegoat for them. What’s worse is that there are people who actually pay attention to these celebrities as if they had a clue.
/No one ever accused her of not being one french fry short of a happy meal./
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:55:18pm |
re: #28 tradewind
Well, there you go. So what’s the verdict?
I just had personal experience with H1N1, my son had it. It was a nasty cold-type illness for a few days, although it came on so suddenly and with such fever that the doctor immediately said ’ H1N1’ and wrote a prescription for Relenza. He was fine in a week. We have had three deaths, all with underlying health issues.
In that case, I would have run, not walked, to be first in line.
I think the verdict is still out. Any effect is probably quite small if the separate studies have different results. The CDC basically responded to the Canadian study and said “We haven’t seen that effect here”
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:55:18pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
She is a potted plant…maybe it worked.
///
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:55:20pm |
I am currently working my way through some 19th century parish records. Do you have any idea what the burial records LOOK LIKE?
We have forgotten what it was like, back when people had ten kids and were happy to raise five. We have forgotten what it was like to lose two or three kids in a week’s time.
We’ll be asking the pediatrician about the vaccine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:56:17pm |
re: #38 Heretic Pride
I am fond of this site: Jenny McCarthy Body Count
I fear it is going to greatly increase in the near future.
Oh, holy shit. This stuff about the Indigos and Crystals…what the FUCK? I got over thinking I was a special secret person with special secret powers when I was about fourteen. What is the MATTER with this woman?
Roseanne Barr talks about Indigo children too.
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sngnsgt Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:56:22pm |
re: #40 tradewind
Fact of the matter. Upding for the happy meal line, haven’t heard that one in years…
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peterb Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:56:49pm |
I’d say “Hey, less competition for slots in college!” but it’s not like any of these peoples’ kids would be going to college anyway.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:57:08pm |
re: #45 sngnsgt
Fact of the matter. Upding for the happy meal line, haven’t heard that one in years…
OT - Do you see my late post in the last thread. I put 2 and 2 together and got = YOU. Yes, now I know what you were talking about.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:57:15pm |
re: #39 swamprat
That’s fine, except that when we have no more pharmaceutical industry development or research here due to defensive manufacturing, we know where to look. There are always cases that are deserving, but the John Edwards’ of the world have poisoned the well.
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wee fury Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:57:27pm |
It may be a good time to reread ‘The Great Influenza’. Will post in the Book link.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:57:36pm |
re: #35 marwan’s daughter
I work as a scribe in the emergency department, and yes, I will get both the flu and H1N1 vaccine. I don’t do direct patient care but with all the people that come into the emergency department with “flu-like symptoms” I don’t want to take my chances. I cannot afford to get sick and I can’t afford to get others sick.
Good for you…In your profession you come into contact with hundred od sick people a day…It doesn’t matter if you just check them in, Take the temp as a nurses aide or a Doctor in an ER… You need protection…
We need you…We protect you..you protect us
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:59:22pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
I’ve had indigo kids. Then I found some really good soap.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:01:19pm |
re: #48 MandyManners
Well, now I’m getting more enthused about these celebrities adopting. If it dilutes the gene pool …when they would otherwise be procreating… then Darwin is working well for us.
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peterb Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:01:23pm |
re: #52 MandyManners
Why do you say that?
Because it’s hard to pass a geography exam if you believe the earth is flat.
(I admit I have my snark dial turned up to 11, but for cryin’ out loud, these people are going to be, indirectly, killing people. I think that deserves some snark).
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Heretic Pride Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:02:52pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, holy shit. This stuff about the Indigos and Crystals…what the FUCK? I got over thinking I was a special secret person with special secret powers when I was about fourteen. What is the MATTER with this woman?
Roseanne Barr talks about Indigo children too.
Batshit crazy and dumb as a brick… quite a combo eh.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:04:05pm |
re: #46 peterb
I have to agree with some of the other Lizards. Your comment seems to step into the “gallows humor” area, and since we are talking mainly about young adults, it’s really not cool.
Understand?
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Summersong Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:04:05pm |
I have friend in Florida who called last night in tears. Her boyfriend’s 25 yrs old son (married, 1 baby) has been hospitalized with H1N1. Lung problems, his kidneys are now failing. It’s not looking good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:04:18pm |
re: #53 Emmmieg
I’ve had indigo kids. Then I found some really good soap.
For some reason, this reminds me of a children’s novel I once read, where some kids wash their dingy white horse with bluing to brighten it up. The big sister misreads the label. It says, ‘apply sparingly’. She read ‘apply daringly’. The horse is blue.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:04:34pm |
re: #34 Charles
In other words, not handy. Yes. I didn’t read about it on the internet.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:04:56pm |
Seriously, I am gonna have to scrub, sanitize, and decontaminate shower heads (and all associated cleaning materials) tomorrow, haz-mat style, because there are “deadly bacteria” hiding in all shower heads that cause lung cancer, which is why people who don’t smoke get lung cancer. At least, that’s what my visiting relative says anyway.
Where the hell do people come up with this nonsense. I don’t like this silly crap, and I like it even less when it turns into some bullshit “make work” jobs I have to do. FUCK!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:05:20pm |
In another flu story—sorry if I bore you—my great-grandmother married in 1918. Her wedding was reported in the hometown newspaper. The family story is that it appeared on the same page as the announcement of her best friend’s death.
(Of course, if this were an other 1918, we’d already know.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:05:34pm |
re: #54 tradewind
Well, now I’m getting more enthused about these celebrities adopting. If it dilutes the gene pool …when they would otherwise be procreating… then Darwin is working well for us.
I think Brangelina’s little girl Zahara is going to be quite bright. She has personality.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:05:44pm |
re: #61 tradewind
In other words, not handy. Yes. I didn’t read about it on the internet.
I could swear I saw you defending Glenn Beck’s “teach the controversy” show about the H1N1 vaccine, in the thread right before this one.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:06:07pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously, I am gonna have to scrub, sanitize, and decontaminate shower heads (and all associated cleaning materials) tomorrow, haz-mat style, because there are “deadly bacteria” hiding in all shower heads that cause lung cancer, which is why people who don’t smoke get lung cancer. At least, that’s what my visiting relative says anyway.
Where the hell do people come up with this nonsense. I don’t like this silly crap, and I like it even less when it turns into some bullshit “make work” jobs I have to do. FUCK!
You mean you just heard about doing that? Get the hell off line and get to work, your families future depends on you.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:06:37pm |
re: #59 Summersong
I have friend in Florida who called last night in tears. Her boyfriend’s 25 yrs old son (married, 1 baby) has been hospitalized with H1N1. Lung problems, his kidneys are now failing. It’s not looking good.
Ah. That’s no good. Prayers going out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:07:56pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously, I am gonna have to scrub, sanitize, and decontaminate shower heads (and all associated cleaning materials) tomorrow, haz-mat style, because there are “deadly bacteria” hiding in all shower heads that cause lung cancer, which is why people who don’t smoke get lung cancer. At least, that’s what my visiting relative says anyway.
Where the hell do people come up with this nonsense. I don’t like this silly crap, and I like it even less when it turns into some bullshit “make work” jobs I have to do. FUCK!
Can you just SAY you decontaminated the shower heads?
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sngnsgt Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:08:08pm |
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
OT - Do you see my late post in the last thread. I put 2 and 2 together and got = YOU. Yes, now I know what you were talking about.
Yes I did, I’m glad we worked that out.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:08:49pm |
re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist
/Never met her myself./
What’s not bright was naming her adorable little daughter Shiloh Pitt. Looks lovely at first glance, but my kids assured me that she was doomed to a lifetime of ’ Pile’O Sh—t’ for a nickname.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:09:02pm |
Bachmann Repeats Sex Clinics In Schools Warning
“School based sex clinic”
Rep. Bachmann & Sex Clinics: The Sequel
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Summersong Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:09:38pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks, sounds like he really needs them. :(
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albusteve Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:09:45pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
Ah. That’s no good. Prayers going out.
I’d consider it if there was a good football game on…”all done honey!…whew!”
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albusteve Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:11:11pm |
re: #72 tradewind
/Never met her myself./
What’s not bright was naming her adorable little daughter Shiloh Pitt. Looks lovely at first glance, but my kids assured me that she was doomed to a lifetime of ’ Pile’O Sh—t’ for a nickname.
Gettysburg Pitt is much more appropriate…no?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:11:36pm |
Another update that zombie won’t be adding about presidential death threats…
Political Signs Vandalized In Cave Creek
CAVE CREEK, Ariz. — Vandals sprayed two political signs in Cave Creek with the words “Kill Obama,” Maricopa County sheriff’s deputies said.
One of the signs was located on the northside of Cave Creek Road, west of Galloway Drive and the other was in front of a business at 6610 E. Cave Creek Road.
“This is a complete disgrace and gross act towards our president,” said Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. “My deputies are looking into all avenues of the incident, as it is a top priority.”
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Dante41 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:12:53pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
Another update that zombie won’t be adding about presidential death threats…
Political Signs Vandalized In Cave Creek
Huh. I would have not expected Sheriff Joe to say something like that.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:13:47pm |
re: #78 albusteve
Who knows? Shiloh is a lovely name… leave it to kids to immediately find the hook.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:14:07pm |
re: #43 Emmmieg Was looking at a slave ships’ roster of dead.. Researching a slave who later changed his name to “Charlie Smith”.
Thinking to myself,”who could sell a boy ten years old to be a slave? Why would a person do such a thing?
Then I realized. Everybody was dying. Get the kid out of here where at least he will have a chance.
Charlie Smith did live. Supposedly to be 130 years old. My mother knew the morgue deener who assisted the autopsy. He said he could not verify the age, but he was the oldest person he ever assisted on, based on the yellowness of the fat.
That town in (now)Liberia had a lot of deaths. Some died before they set sail. Many died en route. Charlie said the ship was decorated with fritters hung about like balloons. Many didn’t even notice the ship set sail. That implies they targeted children.
I can only go so far looking into this before I get upset and have to quit.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:14:09pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
Can you just SAY you decontaminated the shower heads?
I wish I could, but this relative is not staying with me, but my grandmother next door who I look after all the time. Said relative will most certainly want to supervise the operation.
And it’s not just the shower heads. It’s organic foods, natural remedies, herbal medicine, one world gov’t conspiracies, death panels, nirthirism, sekrit muslimism… the list goes on and on. This is just day one, I got two more days of this. I fear for my liver.
If I hear an “anti-vax” rant, I gonna lose my shit.
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wee fury Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:14:49pm |
re: #80 Dante41
Huh. I would have not expected Sheriff Joe to say something like that.
You are kidding, right?
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:15:06pm |
Night Lizards. The crazy just get more crazy.
Ozzy…Crazy Train
Going off the rails on the crazy train… Seems apt to me.
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tradewind Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:15:56pm |
re: #82 swamprat
A hundred and thirty?
Wow, we’re losing ground.
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Dante41 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:16:21pm |
re: #84 wee fury
You are kidding, right?
Honestly, no.
And I know where this is heading. I don’t want to open that can of worms.
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webevintage Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:16:24pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
Props to your teen. I didn’t know kids even worked anymore. Builds character.
Thanks. We’re pretty proud of him, it is a physically demanding job and from what I’ve been told by a couple of the managers he is a hard worker who does not spend all his time messing around and trying to hit on girls.
Amazing when you consider how lazy he is at home.
(getting a job was a BIG deal because of his anxiety issues and learning disabilities. You worry how they are going to handle being out in the world and come to find out they do just fine. He has really blossomed since he started working.)
And he loves having money to buy all the stuff that we refuse to spend money on.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:17:12pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Bachmann Repeats Sex Clinics In Schools Warning
“School based sex clinic”
Rep. Bachmann & Sex Clinics: The Sequel
[Video]
So much for personal responsibility, eh? It wasn’t the girls fault she lied to her parents and harmed her education- it was the eeevil sex clinic’s fault.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:17:52pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
Do you know how to bean-dip?
I don’t know what that means, but if it’s something naughty I can learn quick.
/
What does that mean?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:18:01pm |
re: #92 Karridine
For THAT you convinced me to unblock your account?
So long. That was your last chance to spew extremist garbage at my site.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:19:55pm |
re: #91 webevintage
Thanks. We’re pretty proud of him, it is a physically demanding job and from what I’ve been told by a couple of the managers he is a hard worker who does not spend all his time messing around and trying to hit on girls.
Amazing when you consider how lazy he is at home.(getting a job was a BIG deal because of his anxiety issues and learning disabilities. You worry how they are going to handle being out in the world and come to find out they do just fine. He has really blossomed since he started working.)
And he loves having money to buy all the stuff that we refuse to spend money on.
our kids earned their own money, then had to okay it with us to spend it, other than incidentals…they both had savings accounts in high school…hahaha! cruel!
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:21:35pm |
re: #92 Karridine
WTF? You must have watched that Beck BS on H1N1 today.
/Where the hell do these people come from?
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Caboose Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:22:01pm |
Haven’t ever gotten a flu shot, no one in the family has. Don’t plan to get one this year, either, as we are all fairly healthy and don’t have any underlying conditions that put us at risk, so I’d rather the vaccinations go first to those most at risk or subject to the most exposure. I work at home so my risk of exposure is minimal. And I will abide by the old Peter Wolf (front man for the late lamented J. Geils Band) adage to insure my health: “Keep enough alcohol in your system so that no self-respecting germ would ever dare enter!“
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avanti Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:22:02pm |
re: #55 peterb
Because it’s hard to pass a geography exam if you believe the earth is flat.
(I admit I have my snark dial turned up to 11, but for cryin’ out loud, these people are going to be, indirectly, killing people. I think that deserves some snark).
Than dial it back a bit, you are beyond rude on the dial.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:22:54pm |
re: #89 tradewind
He picked oranges for a long time. He said he “ate an awful lot of sardines” in his life and kept an active “social life” ;
“I like to get with the girls in the groves, now and then”
Outlived three wives.
Lied about his age on one of his marriage certificates.
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wee fury Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:23:01pm |
re: #90 Dante41
Honestly, no.
And I know where this is heading. I don’t want to open that can of worms.
My question was not heading anywhere. It was an honest question. I would expect any law enforcement person to respond as Sheriff Arpaio did.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:24:53pm |
re: #96 MandyManners
Oh yes, indeed. I just have not hear it called that. Now I have a new colloquialism, thanks Mandy.
I’ve been “bean-dipping” all day, but I have a low tolerance level for BS. It’s not just me, though. I worry about all the crap this relative will be pouring in my grandma’s ears during the visit. My grandma ain’t what she used to be between the ears, which is why I’m always looking after her. Damage control post-visit is gonna be a bitch.
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Dante41 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:26:33pm |
re: #104 wee fury
My question was not heading anywhere. It was an honest question. I would expect any law enforcement person to respond as Sheriff Arpaio did.
As I said, I don’t want to start the flamefest that is discussing Sheriff Arpaio. Seriously. I’ll concede victory to you on this and say that I was a douche for saying that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:31:38pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
Bean-dipping can help you with your grandmother after the visit.
I’m not worried about what she’s gonna say, I’m worried about what kind of “natural remedies” she may end up having around that could interact with her meds or have other negative side effects on a woman her age.
I’m gonna have to go through her place with a fine toothed comb just to be sure.
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David Simon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:31:42pm |
re: #109 Dante41
As I said, I don’t want to start the flamefest that is discussing Sheriff Arpaio. Seriously. I’ll concede victory to you on this and say that I was a douche for saying that.
Moral of the story: Don’t try to fight prejudice by being prejudiced yourself.
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sngnsgt Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:31:56pm |
re: #111 MandyManners
Where do people come up with this stuff? I don’t want to be mean but, it sounds like something I’d find on a site similar to David Icke’s site.
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acwgusa Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:32:24pm |
I’m going to get my H1N1 shot. Can’t make me any stranger than I already am.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:33:44pm |
re: #10 shiplord kirel
CHILDREN CAN VERY EASILY DIE FROM THIS!
Those of us with a Chronic Illness need to pay attention and get the vaccine ASAP. This thing chews you up from the inside if you have a pre-existing condition. Swine Flu seems to get further into the lungs that “normal” flu, which makes it hard to shake and a lot harder to breathe. There have even been a few reported cases of patients in ICU units suffocating because the docs can’t force enough oxygen into them. Doctors are even resorting to the ECMO machine.That’s enough to make you shit right there.
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Stormy Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:39:41pm |
While I don’t know if our kids (2,5,7) will be getting shots or not (the Mrs. Stormy and the doctor will make that decision) I will point out a couple of things. Here’s a link to an NIH study titled, “Early results: In children, 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine works like seasonal flu vaccine” The bit I found relevant to my kids:
Among 25 volunteers aged 3 to 9 years old, a strong immune response was seen in 36 percent of those given 15 micrograms of vaccine. In the youngest group, 20 children between 6 months to 35 months old, a single 15-microgram dose of vaccine produced a strong immune response in 25 percent of recipients.
Not exactly confidence-boosting odds.
Here’s a study by the Mayo Clinic that concludes:
They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times the risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, therewas a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who received the TIV, as compared to those
who did not (p= 0.006). But no other measured factors—such as insurance plans or severity of asthma—appeared to affect risk of hospitalization.
“While these findings do raise questions about the efficacy of the vaccine, they do not in fact implicate it as a cause of hospitalizations,” said Dr. Joshi. “More studies are needed to assess not only the immunogenicity, but also the efficacy of different influenza vaccines in asthmatic subjects.”
I would like to hear what our family doctor says about these articles.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:40:39pm |
:SIGH: I guess five and a half hours of me wasn’t enough, they’re on their way over. I didn’t even get a one hour break. I’m gonna need more booze.
Later Lizards.
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Dante41 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:41:06pm |
re: #117 Stormy
While I don’t know if our kids (2,5,7) will be getting shots or not (the Mrs. Stormy and the doctor will make that decision) I will point out a couple of things. Here’s a link to an NIH study titled, “Early results: In children, 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine works like seasonal flu vaccine” The bit I found relevant to my kids:
I would like to hear what our family doctor says about these articles.
On the first article, those are really small sample sizes. I would take them with a grain of salt.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:41:56pm |
And here come the anti-vaxers, now that there’s a more recent thread posted.
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Stormy Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:42:43pm |
I also saw the rates were 80-96% among adults (18+) depending on which version they took. This was on the NIH site, though I didn’t save the link.
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lrsshadow Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:42:44pm |
I think after the H1N1 vaccine has been used for a few months you will see the number refusing vaccine will drop significantly.
It is my opinion that many who are now opposed to it may feel problems with a “rushed, new vaccine, with out a track record”. At least I would hope the majority have somewhat logical reasons for refusing the vaccine other then some crazy conspiracy involving highly trained secrete squirrel from vice pres. biden’s covert operations unit (treehugger.com and very tiny tracking microchips (nimbinwave.com
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drogheda Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:44:31pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously, I am gonna have to scrub, sanitize, and decontaminate shower heads (and all associated cleaning materials) tomorrow, haz-mat style, because there are “deadly bacteria” hiding in all shower heads that cause lung cancer, which is why people who don’t smoke get lung cancer. At least, that’s what my visiting relative says anyway.
Where the hell do people come up with this nonsense. I don’t like this silly crap, and I like it even less when it turns into some bullshit “make work” jobs I have to do. FUCK!
Looks like this particular item was cooked up at the Pace Lab at the University of Colorado. It appears that people with compromised immune systems could be at risk depending on the type of bacteria that might be present in a shower head.
Yahoo News - Showerheads may harbor bacteria dangerous to some
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Stormy Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:45:08pm |
re: #120 Dante41
On the first article, those are really small sample sizes. I would take them with a grain of salt.
Absolutely, but it is published data from the NIH. Time will tell how it stands up.
Also, all my kids are fully vaccinated. It’s a little hard to believe that none of them will ever get the chicken pox! Pretty cool to see something like that become a distant memory.
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lrsshadow Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:45:15pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:45:18pm |
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:45:23pm |
Fear is such a powerful emotion, even intelligent, educated people fear the unknown. Life is uncertain, without knowledge the fear rules, even with knowledge we are prone to superstitions.
Bacteria has been found recently in shower heads. Mycobacterium avium complex is linked to pulmonary disease found in people with compromised immune systems, occasionally healthy people as well. In HIV patients it can cause a very rare Endobronchial disease secondary to the MAC infection, leading to lung lesions that simulate lung cancer in a patient with AIDS.
By the time this information makes it though society, we hear that MA bacteria can cause lung cancer. In reality, the lung nodes need a differential diagnosis from cancer, they look similar but are entirely unrelated. Yet with inadequate knowledge the need to isolate the two leads to a fear that one causes the other.
This is not unlike the anti vaxination fears, a variety of conditions with unknown causation and often unclear diagnosis, need something to pin the blame on. What a convenient target; a vaccine which is proven to protect against a very real disease with a clear diagnosis and a clear causation.
So parents will risk their children succumbing to known and preventable horrors such as polio to counter unknown and patently false fear, and do so in disturbingly large numbers. Humans are truly fear based creatures. Fear is more powerful than rational thought.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:45:52pm |
re: #117 Stormy
I would like to hear what our family doctor says about these articles.
Read the rest of the report. CDC has been saying for a while now that children need two shots.
And pu-leeze, don’t insult your doctor by walking into the examining room waving some printouts. He’s spent 8 years in medical school. You’ve spent 30 minutes on the internet. Whoop-dee-do!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:46:16pm |
re: #127 Stormy
Absolutely, but it is published data from the NIH. Time will tell how it stands up.
Also, all my kids are fully vaccinated. It’s a little hard to believe that none of them will ever get the chicken pox! Pretty cool to see something like that become a distant memory.
My kids were vaccinated, but they got the chicken pox. Except for my daughter, who got the chicken pock. One.
I had chicken pox and couldn’t eat ice cream. They barely noticed they were sick. I would vaccinate again.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:49:40pm |
re: #134 mickthemick
What’s creepy is that people like you are playing games with the lives of your children — and with the lives of other people’s children.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:49:43pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
You don’t say, “Excuse me, ma’am, you’re about to be hit by that bus”. You scream it and maybe jerk her back.
I’ve had to literally scream at kids who were about to cross Metra tracks in front of a train. I screamed at the top of my lungs for them to stop and they did. The whole platform stared at me for a few seconds but people understood why I did what I did.
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Dante41 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:50:00pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
You don’t say, “Excuse me, ma’am, you’re about to be hit by that bus”. You scream it and maybe jerk her back.
“Mind that bus, what bus, splat!”
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:51:01pm |
re: #134 mickthemick
I have never been vaccinated against any flu viruses and don’t tend to get the flu since I take good care of myself. This Swine Flu paranoia is just like all the other “pandemics” that never were. Does anybody remember West Nile Virus or the Bird Flu? They were the flus de joure in recent years, and they didn’t seem to kill millions of people, either. There’s no way in hell I would let my children (if I had any) get these damn shots because there’s no evidence that they work. I’ve talked to plenty of folks over the years who claim they never got the flu, either - until they got flu shots. And people are talking about mandatory vaccinations? That’s creepy.
Give me a break. How about the pandemics that were?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:52:23pm |
re: #134 mickthemick
I have never been vaccinated against any flu viruses and don’t tend to get the flu since I take good care of myself. This Swine Flu paranoia is just like all the other “pandemics” that never were. Does anybody remember West Nile Virus or the Bird Flu? They were the flus de joure in recent years, and they didn’t seem to kill millions of people, either. There’s no way in hell I would let my children (if I had any) get these damn shots because there’s no evidence that they work. I’ve talked to plenty of folks over the years who claim they never got the flu, either - until they got flu shots. And people are talking about mandatory vaccinations? That’s creepy.
Mandatory vaccinations are not creepy. They may prove to be a necessary step to preventing a great many deaths. I don’t like handing the government that sort of power much either. But in this case, the government must have that power. If it does not, thousands will die.
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Stormy Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:52:36pm |
re: #131 SteveC
And pu-leeze, don’t insult your doctor by walking into the examining room waving some printouts. He’s spent 8 years in medical school. You’ve spent 30 minutes on the internet. Whoop-dee-do!
Of course not… I would just like to know her thoughts. As I mentioned, my wife and doc will discuss and make the right decision for our family.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:52:49pm |
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wiffersnapper Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:53:54pm |
*facepalm*
A third of parents are morons.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:55:06pm |
Well, these burial records are a lot of fun. I thought my ancestor was descended from his father’s second wife, but now I see it was his third wife. (He seemed a little old to be getting married for the first time at 35.)
He lost his (first?) wife in November 1811, and a daughter in December 1811. Then he lost his next wife in January of 1814, a baby daughter in 1824, two boys in 1825—a week apart, and that’s all I’ve found so far.
What was that about modern medicine? Why aren’t we seeing pandemics like the old ones again? They were so much fun for my ancestor.
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Danny Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:55:59pm |
re: #143 mickthemick
#138 Varek Raith
There should be more emphasis put on preventative steps and less talk about mass vaccinations.
Um…the vaccine is a preventive step.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:58:41pm |
re: #141 Bagua
re: #92 Karridine
The internet is a dangerous place. Perhaps the ubiquitous mouse should carry a warning label from the Surgeon General.
Caution, surfing with a weak mind can be injurious to what remains of your mental health.
DAY-UM! Give this commenter a beer!
Probably needs to be a black box warning label, too.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 7:59:02pm |
re: #143 mickthemick
#138 Varek Raith
Name some recent pandemics. There has been hysteria in the last two years over two other flu viruses that never turned out to be the mass killers we were warned they could become. I think there is too much hysteria over these viruses. There should be more emphasis put on preventative steps and less talk about mass vaccinations.
Oh, I don’t know… Maybe, just maybe, the vaccines preventpotential pandemics! Damn!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:00:46pm |
re: #151 mickthemick
Your account is history. There are plenty of wacko sites that will let you promote your dangerous madness.
Not at LGF.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:01:15pm |
re: #151 mickthemick
You’re “not convinced” that a virus that can cause you drown in your own fluids “is an impending health crisis”?! How can you even think that?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:03:07pm |
re: #153 Charles
Your account is history. There are plenty of wacko sites that will let you promote your dangerous madness.
Not at LGF.
Thank you, Charles! It’s too wet here to grill outdoors, so I’ll preheat the oven to roast this Nutter Troll.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:04:24pm |
re: #151 mickthemick
“I’m not convinced about this Polio Vaccine. Where does it come from? Have they tested it? And they are talking about making everyone get it! I don’t take drugs and don’t want anybody shooting drugs into my veins that I don’t need.” — Anti-Vaxxer, c. 1962
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:05:29pm |
re: #132 EmmmieG
My kids were vaccinated, but they got the chicken pox. Except for my daughter, who got the chicken pock. One.
I had chicken pox and couldn’t eat ice cream. They barely noticed they were sick. I would vaccinate again.
I got the chicken pox at the age of twenty-four. It was an experience.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:06:03pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, Charles! It’s too wet here to grill outdoors, so I’ll preheat the oven to roast this Nutter Troll.
My Next door neighbor could start a fire in any weather. He cleaned up his yard and tried to burn it right after Hurricane Hugo - it wouldn’t light. He damn near cried!
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peterb Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:06:41pm |
re: #68 MandyManners
Who says that they believe the earth is flat?
If you deny vaccine theory, that’s just as crazy as believing the earth is flat. As mickthemick demonstrates.
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transient Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:07:39pm |
One of the reasons that Avian Flu has not gained traction, at least not yet, is because there have been extremely aggressive proactive measures taken wherever outbreaks have occurred in chickens. Huge numbers of chickens were slaughtered, particularly in Asia, to prevent the spread of the disease.
It wasn’t luck. It wasn’t “taking care of yourself.” It was human beings identifying the problem and acting.
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rwmofo Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:07:50pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
I got the chicken pox at the age of twenty-four. It was an experience.
I hear that’s a lot worse when your an adult.
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peterb Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:08:36pm |
re: #159 peterb
If you deny vaccine theory, that’s just as crazy as believing the earth is flat. As mickthemick demonstrates.
Just to clarify, by “deny vaccine theory” I mean “deny the science behind vaccinations”.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:09:03pm |
mickmick got the boot. Charles, feel free to delete my #156, since I quoted him/her/it.
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rwmofo Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:10:07pm |
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:10:54pm |
I don’t want myself or my children to be free of the diseases that we can prevent. I would rather we roam free, unfettered, spreading illnesses to the unknowing and gullible.
Genius at work.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:11:16pm |
What do you suppose it would be like to have a son die and then watch as the next one got sick with the same thing, and there was nothing you could do? What if you had already buried four children before these two, as well as two wives?
What do you suppose this man would say to people dithering about the vaccine?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:13:33pm |
mickthemick went straight over to the stalker site.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:14:12pm |
re: #166 EmmmieG
What do you suppose it would be like to have a son die and then watch as the next one got sick with the same thing, and there was nothing you could do? What if you had already buried four children before these two, as well as two wives?
What do you suppose this man would say to people dithering about the vaccine?
Ah! I see you have indeed been going through the old records.
The first grave is marble, then stone. No money for the third, it is rocks.
Gets rough fast.
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drogheda Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:14:48pm |
re: #167 Charles
mickthemick went straight over to the stalker site.
Funny how they always seem to know the way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:15:28pm |
re: #161 rwmofo
I hear that’s a lot worse when your an adult.
Since I never had it as a child, I couldn’t really say, but I was knocked out by it. It was not fun. Seen the John Adams miniseries, the scene in Holland where he’s all alone, and sick as a dog? Like that, with spots.
I had the flu-like symptoms, the fever, the sweats, the aches, the headaches, and then the spots started. I called a friend who suggested it might be an STD. (Helpful.)
Then I called the advice nurse from Kaiser, who listened to the whole thing, said she didn’t know what that was, ‘but there seems to be something like that going around’. She suggested that I come in, so, with spots still breaking out every couple seconds, at what may be the most contagious moment in the illness, I lurched onto a San Francisco MUNI bus full of children and old people, and folks with AIDS, and all sorts of people you may not want to expose to the chicken pox—which I didn’t get realize I had, on account of I was sick as a dog, dehydrated, and not at all that coherent.
I then sat in a waiting room, shedding germs, and was finally summoned in to see a nice doctor who took one look at me and said ‘You’ve got the chicken pox. Why did you come in? You’re contagious.”
I missed three weeks of work. It was absolute hell. Some time in the middle of it, my mother called me and said “Guess what? Bill Clinton’s been sleeping with some intern called Monica Lewinsky. You want me to bring the papers over with your soup from the Vietnamese place?”
I was lying flat on the floor of my living room, and I remember saying “Lewinsky. Is she Jewish?”
“What do YOU think?” said my mother, and hung up. I napped. When I woke up, I wondered if I’d dreamed it.
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What, me worry? Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:16:12pm |
re: #166 EmmmieG
What do you suppose it would be like to have a son die and then watch as the next one got sick with the same thing, and there was nothing you could do? What if you had already buried four children before these two, as well as two wives?
What do you suppose this man would say to people dithering about the vaccine?
Interesting enough, Darwin had 3 children that died of childhood illnesses. One as an infant, another as a toddler and a daughter at the age of 10. In those days, the common cold could kill and it did. Whenever I listen to these anti-vaxxers, that’s what I think of.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:17:05pm |
re: #167 Charles
mickthemick went straight over to the stalker site.
Gee, didn’t even pass GO and collect 200 bucks.
Good luck in the lunatic asylum Micky Mouse.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:17:51pm |
re: #167 Charles
mickthemick went straight over to the stalker site.
“Let’s break off and head for base, we’re bingo fuel.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:19:27pm |
re: #166 EmmmieG
What do you suppose it would be like to have a son die and then watch as the next one got sick with the same thing, and there was nothing you could do? What if you had already buried four children before these two, as well as two wives?
What do you suppose this man would say to people dithering about the vaccine?
Abigail Adams got all of her kids inoculated against smallpox. And Washington had his troops inoculated.
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Stormy Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:19:28pm |
Okay, after more research at the NIH site, I’m on board with getting the kids vaccinated for H1N1. It’s a pitty that they thought they were done with shots for a while, but that’s life! Good excuse to take them to Dairy Queen for a treat.
This is the page that made me realize that this is really ramping up.
Thanks also to SteveC for pointing out that they may need two shots at their age.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:20:32pm |
re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the great regrets of Benjamin Franklin’s life is that he failed to get his son Josiah innoculated. Josiah died. (Franklin was also a generation older than the Adamses.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:21:54pm |
re: #173 marjoriemoon
Interesting enough, Darwin had 3 children that died of childhood illnesses. One as an infant, another as a toddler and a daughter at the age of 10. In those days, the common cold could kill and it did. Whenever I listen to these anti-vaxxers, that’s what I think of.
And it is my understanding that it was his daughter’s death that seems to have distanced Darwin from his religious faith. That, and not his scientific work. Something for people who can’t imagine his world to think about.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:22:11pm |
re: #173 marjoriemoon
My sister hates red doors. She told me that used to be the quarantine sign. You would have had to be nuts to go through one. I have yet to find any collaboration, but I won’t have a red door.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:22:26pm |
re: #174 Bagua
Gee, didn’t even pass GO and collect 200 bucks.
Good luck in the lunatic asylum Micky Mouse.
Well, when you go jail your not supposed to! :)
Just like on Evolution and AGW threads, the anti-whatever people show up when all is quite. They never engage in the discussion. When they sometimes do, BAM! They flounce. Chickenshits.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:22:31pm |
re: #177 Stormy
Okay, after more research at the NIH site, I’m on board with getting the kids vaccinated for H1N1. It’s a pitty that they thought they were done with shots for a while, but that’s life! Good excuse to take them to Dairy Queen for a treat.
This is the page that made me realize that this is really ramping up.
Thanks also to SteveC for pointing out that they may need two shots at their age.
No problem, Stormy! But if one of your kids has a pre-existing condition, they’re recommending that we wait and get the actual injection. The mist up the nose could actually make us sick. (Mist has a live - but weakened - virus; injection has a deadened virus.)
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transient Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:27:10pm |
I saw some anti-vaxxers handing out information a couple weeks ago. I’m always happy to take brochures from people I disagree with, because I figure I’m costing them money and that’s one person who perhaps won’t be deceived by the garbage.
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macoishin Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:28:28pm |
Little interjection from a health professional. I am an infectious diseases physician, and a big fan of most vaccines, especially the seasonal influenza. I can tell you that most physicians outside of ID have no clue what to tell their patients about the H1N1 vaccine, so it’s not surprising that patients feel confused - especially when the messages coming from different bodies conflict. The H1N1 vaccine appears to be immunogenic (as measured by the surrogate marker of antibody concentration) and safe in the human studies that have been ongoing the last few months. Further, it is produced in exactly the same fashion as the seasonal influenza shots. This means the only possible wild card is the risk of antibodies to the vaccine haemagglutinen cross-reacting with a human protein.
I rate that risk as improbable, but not impossible. It is however virtually impossible that there would be a repeat of the 1976 swine flu shot-related Guillain Barre epidemic. We would have seen that by now.
BTW, yes the case fatality of H1N1 in the southern hemisphere flu season has not been terribly impressive, but what we’re seen here in Canada in the off-season grumbling pandemic is quite concerning. Even if the case fatality stays below 1%, the use of intensive care measures, intubation, and yes ECMO, could cripple cash-strapped health care systems like ours (and your VA, Medicare etc.)
So get the shot, not the flu.
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AaronP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:29:04pm |
I am a veteran of the 1st Gulf War. Some of the vaccinations we received were not widely used or understood. They were rushed into production and use to protect us.
Many veterans have developed health problems that are believed to be linked to the shots themselves or chemicals mixed with the vaccines to accelerate their effectiveness.
Im not talking about all the fringe crap that we hear all the time.
Google Alex Izett.
Google Don Staines and gulf war.
Read what the articles say and realize that sometimes well intentioned govt and science may not be what is best for your health.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:29:17pm |
re: #182 Varek Raith
Midnight.
Shh.
Maybe no one will notice.
We’ll say something “he” won’t like.
Then we can run over to the stalker site and crow about how we bested Charles when we thought no one was around!
Christ, it’s pathetic.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:33:43pm |
re: #186 AaronP
You have a point, but in this case I do not agree. This vaccine is the safer way by far.
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What, me worry? Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:33:47pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
And it is my understanding that it was his daughter’s death that seems to have distanced Darwin from his religious faith. That, and not his scientific work. Something for people who can’t imagine his world to think about.
I put a link to a recent Nova PBS show called Darwin’s Darkest Hour the other night. You can go to the site and see it. It’s a 2 hour drama on this part of his life. They show his children and how he suffered over their deaths, also.
I do think you’re right, but at least this show focused more on his ideas as they came before the kids and before his marriage IIRC.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:35:47pm |
re: #186 AaronP
Registered since: Dec 3, 2006 at 2:30 pm
No. of comments posted: 9
No. of links posted: 0
Karma: ZILCH
Here’s James and Bobby Purify, with “I’m your puppet!”
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What, me worry? Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:36:03pm |
re: #181 swamprat
My sister hates red doors. She told me that used to be the quarantine sign. You would have had to be nuts to go through one. I have yet to find any collaboration, but I won’t have a red door.
I worked with a woman in the 80s about my age (I’m 47 now). She was born in Cuba and they didn’t have the polio vaccine. I don’t know if she was specifically denied it or they just didn’t give it. She had polio. Whenever I looked at her, I felt anger moreso than pity. She was a fiesty, smart woman and didn’t let her disability get the best of her, but she simply didn’t have to have it. It was sad.
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SummerSong Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:36:13pm |
re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
Forgive me for laughing. It just sounds so awful. I had a sorta of similar thing many years ago. I first got a bad flu that turned into bacterial pneumonia. I laid on the bed slowly dying (I didn’t know I had pneumonia yet) and every time I looked at the TV, all I saw were greenish fireworks and someone talking about Scud missles. I thought I was dreaming, too.
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lrsshadow Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:38:09pm |
re: #186 AaronP
We ran into the same thing in the mid 1990’s. That time it was anthrax and many in the military believed there were legitimate health concerns surrounding the shot.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:42:20pm |
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AaronP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:43:20pm |
SteveC…not sure what all that means…I was just trying to share what I know from personal experience. Im not trying to carry water for anyone. Im just putting it out there for others to see…
I don’t even know what posting links has to do with anything…Sorry not to comment savvy, as you seem to be…
And wtf is karma?
I guess my lack of posts, links and karma reflects my time spent working not posting…
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:47:45pm |
re: #195 AaronP
SteveC…not sure what all that means…I was just trying to share what I know from personal experience. Im not trying to carry water for anyone. Im just putting it out there for others to see…
I don’t even know what posting links has to do with anything…Sorry not to comment savvy, as you seem to be…
And wtf is karma?
I guess my lack of posts, links and karma reflects my time spent working not posting…
Why are you spreading doubt about the H1N1 vaccine at LGF?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:51:16pm |
re: #196 Bagua
SP
I think it’s TFK. He says he’s here over at The Deuce. I just sent the info to Charles.
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Leo3 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:52:28pm |
Would’ve said more Russian roulette than chicken, but it’s amazing to see this degree of hysteria among this huge a number…
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Cato the Elder Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:52:47pm |
Well…here in town…there are peeps coming out of the woodworks who think the vaccine will give you the flu…no kidding…it’s the gubmint…
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:55:13pm |
re: #195 AaronP
Strangely, many will come to a thread, with opposing viewpoints that are unverifiable, after another thread has started, and it is getting late. These will often have almost no history of posting and use accounts that have been idle for long periods of time.
You are not alone.
Hail and farewell!
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SteveC Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:55:20pm |
re: #201 Cato the Elder
Well…here in town…there are peeps coming out of the woodworks who think the vaccine will give you the flu…no kidding…it’s the gubmint…
That was the plot in a fairly bad Tom Clancy novel. Sane people don’t think that way.
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AaronP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:57:14pm |
Im not.
What Im saying is that many people have had long term health problems from some vaccines so do your research and understand that just because a govt or a scientist says a thing is good or bad does not make it so. Then weigh it out for yourself.
I guess Im trying to say think critically and act carefully with your health.
If a vaccine is tested and shown to be safe take it…
I took more than 50 myself and then years later with nagging health issues I have come to realize that maybe I should have refused some of those shots based on the negative impact some of them seem to have had on me.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 8:59:34pm |
re: #204 AaronP
Your poorly reasoned “advice” sounds drearily familiar.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:02:26pm |
re: #204 AaronP
just because a govt or a scientist says a thing is good or bad does not make it so
So, do your own science, is that your solution?
How’s the snow in Arapahoe basin today?
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Laroon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:03:18pm |
I’m surprised it’s only 1/3. I am pregnant right now, and on the BabyCenter forum for the women due the same month, I’d say more than HALF the women are against the vaccine for themselves - even though the mortality rate for pregnant women is around 4% and even more are not getting it for their kids.
I am constantly shocked by the way people will ignore their doctors, the CDC, not read any research whatsoever and make vital health decisions based on rumors and misinformation they believe because they refuse to find out the facts.
It is absolutely terrifying…
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JRCMYP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:08:09pm |
I’m not sure the anti-vax crowd is the same as the people who are still considering whether to vaccinate for H1N1. I certainly know alot of pro-vax women who do not regularly get their kids vaccinated for the seasonal flu. I always did when I was 1. Pregnant, 2. Had a baby and 3. when I had a preemie. But then none of us were considered “at risk” (and we weren’t typically around the elderly or others “at risk”) add to that the shortage of the regular flu vax a few years ago, and it sort of fell off my radar.
I think that many people just aren’t taking it seriously—it seemed over-hyped, then under-hyped earlier this year—and I think that many parents are unsure if it’s necessary.
That said, now that the flu has been hitting schools again this fall, I hear more and more parents saying that they will get their kids vaccinated.
I certainly plan too. This flu sounds AWFUL. No freaking way I want to get it or put my kids through that kind of misery either.
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JRCMYP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:09:23pm |
re: #207 Laroon
I’m surprised it’s only 1/3. I am pregnant right now, and on the BabyCenter forum for the women due the same month, I’d say more than HALF the women are against the vaccine for themselves - even though the mortality rate for pregnant women is around 4% and even more are not getting it for their kids.
I am constantly shocked by the way people will ignore their doctors, the CDC, not read any research whatsoever and make vital health decisions based on rumors and misinformation they believe because they refuse to find out the facts.
It is absolutely terrifying…
Wow. That’s really awful. I’m not seeing the same kind of numbers (anecdotally of course). But that is nuts.
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swamprat Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:09:23pm |
re: #204 AaronP
If a vaccine is tested and shown to be safe take it…
So great!
We agree that modern civilian vaccines which are tested and proven reliable are absolutely the right way to go! Good for you!
If you have other problems,this guy can fix you up!
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AaronP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:11:48pm |
I was just trying to share some experience…sorry if I pissed you guys off…not sure why you feel such hostility…
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Blizard Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:12:51pm |
As I left the post office today I couldn’t help but wonder when was the last time they cleaned the door handles. ANY door handles, for that matter. #2 evil on the list are the resin trash receptacles that force you to touch the flap in order to push your trash into the can. Disgusting.
Also, I flush with my foot.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:13:02pm |
re: #211 AaronP
I was just trying to share some experience…sorry if I pissed you guys off…not sure why you feel such hostility…
That would be the lizards who suspect you occasionally break into free verse poetry.
If you get this, I didn’t need to say it. If you don’t, nevermind.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:13:27pm |
re: #211 AaronP
We don’t feel “hostility” we are mildly amused by your passive aggressive trolling. More to be pitied than condemned.
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AaronP Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:19:16pm |
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Laroon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:24:23pm |
re: #185 macoishin
Thank you for that little shot of sanity… I wish more docs would start being more vocal and clear like this so all the dumb-dumbs would shut their traps about 1976, thimerisol, not enough testing, and all the other wellsprings of misinformation and get the shot already.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:33:50pm |
re: #214 Bagua
Alleged contamination of a single vaccine 10 to 20 years ago is irrelevant to modern vaccinations. Far more people have suffered from contaminated food, do you advocate avoiding all food, just to be on the safe side?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:35:42pm |
re: #217 Bagua
Alleged contamination of a single vaccine 10 to 20 years ago is irrelevant to modern vaccinations. Far more people have suffered from contaminated food, do you advocate avoiding all food, just to be on the safe side?
STEP AWAY FROM THE HO HO’S!
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Teh Flowah Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:41:52pm |
I have a worse story. Amazingly.
Christ, how do these people get to keep their other two kids. Fuck this shit.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:42:10pm |
re: #204 AaronP
And what evidence do you have that those health issues were caused by vaccines?
/I have migraines, perhaps it is all of this conspiracy BS that is causing them…
re: #217 Bagua
Alleged contamination of a single vaccine 10 to 20 years ago is irrelevant to modern vaccinations. Far more people have suffered from contaminated food, do you advocate avoiding all food, just to be on the safe side?
Yeah, let’s avoid cars. And planes. And trains. And beds (you might fall outta one!). And…ah hell! Just avoid everything!
/need I?
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Teh Flowah Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:45:32pm |
re: #204 AaronP
I guess Im trying to say think critically and act carefully with your health.
I took more than 50 myself and then years later with nagging health issues I have come to realize that maybe I should have refused some of those shots based on the negative impact some of them seem to have had on me.
That would be fine if adults were making the choice for themselves. But crippling your kids’ lives is unacceptable. This isn’t even a choice like taking your kids to church. This is life threatening life altering shit here. It is well within established state’s rights to take control of kids whose parents are that unfit.
also, I think it’s hilarious that you automatically go to vaccines as the source of your nagging health issues “years later” and not something else. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Cheeseland Thu, Oct 8, 2009 9:55:16pm |
I do not think it is bad to look at the vaccines and ask questions about them. I am seeing more and more distortion, and promotion of the questions themselves as facts. Why is my local news station running lengthy stories on mom’s who are confused about vaccination and have decided not to protect their children. Wouldnt it serve the audience better to clear up the confusion and explain the risks and benefits over vaccination and skipping the vaccination. I guess that would take too much work by the reporter, and wouldn’t visually be as exciting. It is the investigated answers which policy and medical conditions should be based on rather than repetition of old doubts and playing on peoples fear of needles.
Questions and answers from the CDC
The CDC addressed fears over 2009 H1N1 vaccine safety and availability at a press briefing Tuesday. CDC Director Thomas Frieden addressed “three major concerns that people have” – that 2009 H1N1 is “just a mild illness”; that the vaccine may not be safe; and that it’s already too late to be vaccinated.
Dr. Frieden countered with a reminder that 2009 H1N1 has killed many people and will likely kill more. Regarding safety, he said that the vaccine is made in the same way and in the same facilities as seasonal vaccines, which have an excellent safety record. And as to the futility of vaccination, he said, we “don’t know what the rest of this long flu season is going to hold. We haven’t had a flu season like this in at least 50 years.”
He added: “We’re very confident that there will be plenty of vaccine for everyone who wants to be vaccinated. It won’t be available when everyone wants to be vaccinated.”/
text of Dr Frieden’s briefing and audio link
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freetoken Thu, Oct 8, 2009 10:13:18pm |
re: #222 Cheeseland
The method of obfuscation has been dubbed the TEACH THE CONTROVERSY! approach, which is what Beck was doing earlier today.
It is a highly effective form of disinformation. Essentially, what one does is raise the “noise” level high enough to degraded the “signal to noise” (s/n) level so that what otherwise ought to be clear signals now get obfuscated. Sorry to use the engineering terms on you, but I think it is a good description.
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aagcobb Thu, Oct 8, 2009 10:17:11pm |
re: #127 Stormy
Absolutely, but it is published data from the NIH. Time will tell how it stands up.
Also, all my kids are fully vaccinated. It’s a little hard to believe that none of them will ever get the chicken pox! Pretty cool to see something like that become a distant memory.
Another benefit of not getting chicken pox is not getting shingles later in life. Believe me, even a mild case of shingles is painful!
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starsfan914 Thu, Oct 8, 2009 10:59:59pm |
I understand why some people are concerned about the possible side effects, worrying if the vaccine was “rushed” and not tested, but so far the reports from WHO and the CDC state that the vaccine is safe. I would say if more news channels would investigate the data, interview medical professionals, and report the actual numbers/results then it would not be as big an issue.
Of course most parents will do their own research (read news articles, ask their pediatrician, pharmacist, etc.) and make their decisions based on the information they obtain—probably leaning mostly on the pediatrician if the parents have a good relationship with the dr. So far I think it is safe and have no issues with it but may ask the pediatrician for their input.
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Laroon Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:11:59pm |
re: #225 starsfan914
Yes, a rational person would *think* that parents will do their own research and listen to their pediatricians… but as a mom of small kids, I can tell you that many do not - in fact many don’t even consider it. They rely on family opinions, what their friends say, what the six-o’clock news is reporting… This is going to sound horrid, but the average Joe just seems unequipped to be able to do his own research and think critically about what is reported in the media.
“There is only one way to be rational, but there are many, many ways to be irrational.” - Dan Ariely
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:48:52am |
Those who refuse the vaccine because of the risks are need to take a good look at the risks of driving everyday versus the risks of vaccines.
Most common myths about the swine flu vaccine:
1. That it’s a mild disease
2. That the vaccine is untested
3. That the vaccine arrived too late
nytimes.com
H1N1 flu shot: Separating fact from fiction
Anyone who’s concerned about Thimerosal’s (unproven) link to autism can get a vaccine without the preservative:
king5.com
Benefits of vaccine greatly outweigh risks:
blogs.usatoday.com
“Typical of the skeptics is political pundit Bill Maher, who tweeted this sage advice to thousands of Twitter followers last month: “If u get a swine flu shot ur an idiot.” As the H1N1 vaccine is about to become widely available, the saddest thing is that many people seem to be listening to the Mahers of the world…The decision whether to get it, for yourself or your children, should be driven by facts and science, not advice from people who play doctors on TV or the Internet.”
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deacon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:53:01am |
re: #185 macoishin
Do you have suggestion for people that cannot take the vaccine? I was vacinated about 20 years ago for the flu and almost died. The doctors tell me that I probably have an allergy to eggs. My mother had the same problem a few years later, and now our doctors advise us against getting vacinated. Is there an alternative?
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deacon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:55:27am |
re: #224 aagcobb
Another benefit of not getting chicken pox is not getting shingles later in life. Believe me, even a mild case of shingles is painful!
My dad just went through a case of Shingles. I never seen him since we live far apart, but I talked to him every few days, and he sounded bad. It lasted 7 weeks for him.
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:05:41am |
re: #226 Laroon
You gave me an idea: Health officials should team up with the most influential and intelligent mommy bloggers to educate and spread the word.
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Laroon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:27:00am |
re: #228 deacon
See this is what is so infuriating about people who can be vaccinated refusing to do so!! It eliminates herd immunity which protects people who cannot be vaccinated and those for whom the vaccination has low efficacy…
I’m not a doctor, but I have been reading some studies saying that there is a correlation between vitamin D deficiency and contracting the flu - might be worth googling… other than that, I am not sure if there’s a special vaccine for those with egg allergies.
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Laroon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:32:15am |
re: #230 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey
Yeah that would be fantastic - if you can find some that aren’t pharmaceutical-company-conspiracy nuts themselves… I’ve also noticed that it’s gotten to the point that if you are “pro-vaccine” (how absurd that this term even exists), you get flamed for being judgmental and telling other people how to raise their kids… there are some excellent resources on the web and LGF has been great at pointing them out too. It just seems a lot of people hear what they want to.
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JEA62 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:29:36am |
This all begins with the autism anti-vaccine movement.
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deacon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:41:23am |
re: #231 Laroon
See this is what is so infuriating about people who can be vaccinated refusing to do so!! It eliminates herd immunity which protects people who cannot be vaccinated and those for whom the vaccination has low efficacy…
I’m not a doctor, but I have been reading some studies saying that there is a correlation between vitamin D deficiency and contracting the flu - might be worth googling… other than that, I am not sure if there’s a special vaccine for those with egg allergies.
I check every few years with my doctor, and so far all the vaccines have been created using eggs. I really don’t worry about it too much, take my vitamins, wash my hands etc, although I did get the flu a few years ago and it put me in the hospital, so my precautions are not always good. I had a similar problem with the old form of tetanus, but they have developed a new tetanus, so I am good with that now.
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DobermanBoston Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:27am |
Not to digress too much but I was horrified to hear of some anti-vax people I know expose their kids to playmates with chicken pox instead of vaccinating them.
I had chicken pox as a kid and developed Bell’s Palsy as a secondary complication. I could have had facial paralysis for the rest of my life but for experimental and effective treatment.
And a lot of these people have college educations…
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mulgamutt Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:31:12am |
We’re getting regular flu shots for us and the kids. We thought about the swine flu shot… until our doctor said he’s not getting it. “The flu shot in the 1970s nearly killed me,” he said. He’s getting the regular shot, sure, but not the H1N1 shot. “Next year, perhaps, but not this year,” he added. “I don’t want to be a guinea pig for the government.”
We are not anti-vaccine. We have two autistic kids, which I am convinced has more to do with genes than vaccines. They are up to date on all their shots. I do not subscribe to the vaccine=autism followship; I personally think people like Jenny McCarthy are nuts. And, for the record, our doctor is a Hispanic man in his 60s, probably the best doctor we’ve ever had.
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:42am |
re: #9 Conservative Moonbat
You know how I also squelched my inner libertarian on this one? Riding the Red Line, the not so famous subway in L.A.. Then elevators in a office building, with folks too scared to take a day or three off when they start to get flu sick.
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Cheeseland Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:54am |
re: #238 Rightwingconspirator
FluMist contains egg protein.
The current influenza vaccine manufacturing uses egg protein in the injection or the nasal spray.
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ExCamelJockey Fri, Oct 9, 2009 10:14:56am |
History hasn’t been kind to previous swine flu vaccines. The swine flu vaccination program in the ‘70’s was a PR disaster. If I remember correctly, a huge vaccination program was implemented because of worries about the flu. The flu outbreak never materialized but the deaths due to manufacturing problems with the vaccine were covered to a great extent in the media.
If you lived through that I can see where you would be cautious about flu vaccines in general.
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:08:35am |
re: #229 deacon
My dad just went through a case of Shingles. I never seen him since we live far apart, but I talked to him every few days, and he sounded bad. It lasted 7 weeks for him.
Shingles lingers, even if you start treatment right away, like I did. It can become a much more long-term debilitating ilness, and even lead to blindness. It is caused by the same virus which gives children chicken pox. The virus hibernates in your body for decades. People who don’t get their kids vaccinated for chicken pox may be condeming them to suffer badly later in life.
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Bob Levin Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:26:18am |
This is what happens when the public schools become politicized. I know that the debate on this site focuses on evolution, but it’s a deeper problem. The focus on self-esteem rather than on education has serious consequences. This isn’t simply a matter of bad science education, it’s also abysmal history programs. The problems of the right wing result from an almost non-existent economics curriculum—and the vapid history program again. It’s not difficult to conceive of a conservative movement based on science, economics, and history. And not coincidentally, these are arguably the three subjects this country virtually ignores.
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:17:26pm |
re: 227 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey
Actually El Rushbo was playin’ doctor on his show yesterday. Said he’d never had a flu shot and couldn’t fathom any reason to get one. Donnoe what he said today…didn’t listen…?
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Perivayne Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:47:47pm |
I would also point out that the current administration bears some responsibility for this climate of resistance. They’ve been beating the general public with that scare stick so long that it’s beginning to lose it’s effectiveness. You can maintain panic only so long before people become fatigued and basically tune out on the message.
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jaydub Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:24:53pm |
re: #38 Heretic Pride
I am fond of this site: Jenny McCarthy Body Count
I fear it is going to greatly increase in the near future.
Thanks for that link. I’m going to drop it into facebook comments when the antivaxers in my circle of friends start doing their thing.
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Blitherakt Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:24:06pm |
Not an anti-vaxxer; both my kids are up to date.
I have never gotten a flu vaccine, neither have my kids. My wife, who works with kids, almost always does. I haven’t had a flu in 22 years, my kids haven’t had a flu either.
With everything I’m hearing about the H1N1 vaccine making you more likely to get the “normal” flu, or no, and H1N1 being milder than the “normal” flu, or not, I’ll just follow my normal routine. If I get sick, I get sick, and some awesome matzo soup from the Jewish deli down the street to boot!
This isn’t measels, small pox or polio…
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:23:59pm |
re: #229 deacon
Herpes Zoster virus, about five years ago, it hit me on vacation, no special stress was involved?
Revenge on despicable olde geezers…that contracted chicken pox at a more tender age…!
Talk about continuous pain…the affected nerves still ache in my chest with pressure and caused a tremor to this day, in my right hand when I write.
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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