Video: Samoan Tsunami

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Scary video from a surveillance camera at the FBI’s office in Pago Pago, American Samoa, showing the tsunami rushing into the parking lot.

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161 comments

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:35:29pm

Help Them - They ARE Fellow Americans - Like it or not - Beyond that, They Are Fellow Human Beings. That is all.

-S-

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:35:42pm

Wow!

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:38:39pm

I am shocked more people didn’t die. I think Samoa is more mountainous and doesn’t have large flat plains with shanty towns right on the water like places such as Banda Aceh.

Incredible amount of energy.

Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:39:28pm

Those 2 people walking across the parking lot were lucky they did not get caught up in that!

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:40:19pm

When a tsunami happens in a place other than “America”, people race to help, 24hr wall to wall coverage on MSM, but when it is “America”n Samoa that is hit…crickets chirping…

what a shame.

UNICEF

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:40:40pm

Those 2 people walking across the parking lot were lucky they did not get caught up in that!

Notice the guy on the left kept looking to his left, he heard something but didn’t know what it was yet.

Banda Aceh before and after.
[Link: homepage.mac.com…]

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:41:30pm

re: #6 BigPapa

Wow

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:41:40pm

re: #6 BigPapa

Those 2 people walking across the parking lot were lucky they did not get caught up in that!

Notice the guy on the left kept looking to his left, he heard something but didn’t know what it was yet.

Banda Aceh before and after.
[Link: homepage.mac.com…]

Wow!

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:41:44pm

How fast is the water moving?

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:42:50pm

re: #6 BigPapa

That’s a fascinating site.

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:43:06pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

That’s a fascinating site.

Stunning.

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:43:34pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Click on “next” and scroll through their other pics.

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:43:40pm

re: #5 lone_wolf_in_illinois

When a tsunami happens in a place other than “America”, people race to help, 24hr wall to wall coverage on MSM, but when it is “America”n Samoa that is hit…crickets chirping…

what a shame.

UNICEF

Actually the Honolulu Advertiser had front page coverage and support links, including Twitter accounts of people there asking for help as well as boards trying to make contact with relatives there. Much more coverage than the Christmas Tsunami in ‘04 if I recall correctly.

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:44:37pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Click on “next” and scroll through their other pics.

I have been. Just stunning.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:45:21pm

re: #13 BigPapa

Actually the Honolulu Advertiser had front page coverage and support links, including Twitter accounts of people there asking for help as well as boards trying to make contact with relatives there. Much more coverage than the Christmas Tsunami in ‘04 if I recall correctly.

My MIL works at the Bank of Hawaii in Honolulu. Apparently their sister bank in A.S. lost a wall to the incoming wave. Last I heard, they all got out safely.

MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:47:07pm

Imagine if one of those hit Venice.

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:47:17pm

Wow, check out this one, looks like the water receding just before the wave rolls in.

lastlaugh Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:47:51pm

re: #5 lone_wolf_in_illinois

When a tsunami happens in a place other than “America”, people race to help, 24hr wall to wall coverage on MSM, but when it is “America”n Samoa that is hit…crickets chirping…

what a shame.

UNICEF

The only Tsunami I remember hearing about in MSM was the 2004 one which killed a quarter million people.

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:48:12pm

Here is shows the tide receded before the incoming waves.

[Link: homepage.mac.com…]

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:48:52pm

re: #19 BigPapa

That one is really impressive.

Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:50:38pm

re: #6 BigPapa

Unreal.

Was it the salt water that turned all the vegetation brown?

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:50:38pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Wow, check out this one, looks like the water receding just before the wave rolls in.

re: #19 BigPapa

Here is shows the tide receded before the incoming waves.

[Link: homepage.mac.com…]

Amazing we have the technology to capture these images. Stunning.

Nature can and will kick our ass, and if more people don’t grasp the magnitude of AGW- there is going to be a lot more of Mother Nature’s ass kicking.

Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:51:29pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Wow, check out this one, looks like the water receding just before the wave rolls in.

Holy Crap!

Dancing along the light of day Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #6 BigPapa

Great find, thank you for sharing!

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:53:18pm

re: #6 BigPapa

Amazingly shocking.

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #21 Racer X

Unreal.

Was it the salt water that turned all the vegetation brown?

The brown is sediment or the ground scoured clean, down to the dirt. Some areas where there were hills forced the water into faster torrents: they got it coming in, then got it going back out.

I recall seeing a video long time ago, not seen it since. A group of women were in a mosque with a second or third story balcony: the entire neighborhood was overrun with dark brown black water. It wasn’t just roiling around, it was like they were in the middle of a giant very fast moving river, a few miles wide. Very scary and amazing energy. The area was scoured clean except for the mosque.

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:55:26pm

re: #16 MandyManners

Imagine if one of those hit Venice.

The Bridge of Sighs would be gone.

reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:56:11pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Wow, check out this one, looks like the water receding just before the wave rolls in.

The next set (set 2 of that series) - you can see a boat in the water in the receding photo, lower left.

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:57:38pm

Good thing the seas generally don’t rise that fast, pace Al Gore…

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:59:00pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout
I didn’t notice that. I guess it’s safer to take the boat out far enough rather than leave it on the dock.

MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:59:28pm

re: #27 debutaunt

The Bridge of Sighs would be gone.

Ah, an opportunity to share this!

Youtube Video

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #18 lastlaugh

The only Tsunami I remember hearing about in MSM was the 2004 one which killed a quarter million people.

And was probably mentioned on account of it killed a quarter million people.

reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I didn’t notice that. I guess it’s safer to take the boat out far enough rather than leave it on the dock.

That happened so fast, I’m not sure anyone had time to think … I think the boat just must have been out and got caught up in events. Further out, the wave wouldn’t have been very noticeable. But closer to shore, there where it’s shallower - I imagine they had quite a ride, if they survived it. Those images are stunning.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #26 BigPapa

The brown is sediment or the ground scoured clean, down to the dirt. Some areas where there were hills forced the water into faster torrents: they got it coming in, then got it going back out.

I recall seeing a video long time ago, not seen it since. A group of women were in a mosque with a second or third story balcony: the entire neighborhood was overrun with dark brown black water. It wasn’t just roiling around, it was like they were in the middle of a giant very fast moving river, a few miles wide. Very scary and amazing energy. The area was scoured clean except for the mosque.

That’s the sort of thing that becomes a miracle story for the grandchildren.

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:01:17pm

re: #26 BigPapa

The brown is sediment or the ground scoured clean, down to the dirt. Some areas where there were hills forced the water into faster torrents: they got it coming in, then got it going back out.

My Grand Dad worked for Disaster Services for the American Red Cross for many years, and he told me flooding was always the worst clean-up because of the mud/sediment. Ruins everything.

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:02:16pm

re: #5 lone_wolf_in_illinois

lone_wolf -

FORGET UNICEF - This is US Territory. WE HELP - or NO-BODY does. Calling UNICEF is about as effective as calling “GHOST-BUSTERS.” That is all.

-S-

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:18pm

re: #31 MandyManners

OK, that was a good one. Been a while since I heard that sweet guitar.

sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:45pm

Beware of used car ads that state
RECENTLY WASHED!

Damn,,, and sometimes I whine about MY problems! Whata jerk I is!

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:46pm

re: #36 Dr. Shalit

lone_wolf -

FORGET UNICEF - This is US Territory. WE HELP - or NO-BODY does. Calling UNICEF is about as effective as calling “GHOST-BUSTERS.” That is all.

-S-

I admire India’s approach. They don’t accept any kind of international assistance unless they absolutely, positively, can’t do it themselves and lives are at stake.

If they can do it, so can we.

KingKenrod Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:07:07pm

About the previous thread - I’ve been reading about Chaffetz. I can’t find anything nutty about him and he seem genuinely interested in good government.

For instance, he was Jon Huntsman’s campaign manager and chief of staff in 2004/2005.

In this CNN opinion piece, he specifically mentions that undercounting in Utah in the 2000 census cost the state a Congressional seat.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

So I don’t see how he could be motivated to get people to not participate.

bratwurst Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:08:53pm

What exactly is the FBI up to in Pago Pago anyway?

Kragar Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:09:58pm

This certainly doesn’t seem good.

Nuclear engineer from Cern lab arrested for al-Qaeda links

Fears that al-Qaeda is planning an attack on the nuclear industry in Europe were renewed yesterday after French secret agents arrested a physicist working at an atomic research centre.

The 32-year-old man, who was detained with his brother, 25, is suspected of providing a list of terrorist targets to North African Islamic radicals. He worked for the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland, according to French police sources.

Agents were said to have intercepted messages in which the physicist, a Frenchman of Algerian origin, had suggested targets in France.

He is believed to have been in contact with members of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, an Algerian-based terror organisation that joined Osama bin Laden’s network in 2007.

Kragar Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:10:39pm

re: #41 bratwurst

What exactly is the FBI up to in Pago Pago anyway?

Regional offices for an American territory

lostlakehiker Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:11:13pm

re: #5 lone_wolf_in_illinois

When a tsunami happens in a place other than “America”, people race to help, 24hr wall to wall coverage on MSM, but when it is “America”n Samoa that is hit…crickets chirping…

what a shame.

UNICEF

Actually, Japan sent help in the 1970’s to Estes Park and Glen Haven, CO, after a flooding disaster.

Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:11:21pm

re: #42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This certainly doesn’t seem good.

Nuclear engineer from Cern lab arrested for al-Qaeda links

*head snaps back to reality*

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:11:47pm

1959 or 1960, I was at Kailua HS, windward side of Oahu. An earthquake had struck up in Alaska, and we were sent up to the second floor at the time when a wave might hit — just in case.

SteveC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Wow, check out this one, looks like the water receding just before the wave rolls in.

Tsunami waves do that, I do not understand why. It look like the wave is literally pulling the waterline backwards as approaches the shore.

If you see that happening and you know what it means, that’s got to be one hack of an “Oh, shit…” moment.

bratwurst Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #43 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Regional offices for an American territory

I understand that…just wonder what a typical day in that office is all about.

MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:13:32pm

re: #42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This certainly doesn’t seem good.

Nuclear engineer from Cern lab arrested for al-Qaeda links

Many roads lead to Afghanistan.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:14:53pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Many roads lead to Afghanistan.

Kipling’s “The Man Who Would be King” just popped to mind.

/*bangs head on desk*

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

1959 or 1960, I was at Kailua HS, windward side of Oahu. An earthquake had struck up in Alaska, and we were sent up to the second floor at the time when a wave might hit — just in case.

You ever surf at Turtle Bay? Monster waves dude…

sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:15:10pm

re: #48 bratwurst

I understand that…just wonder what a typical day in that office is all about.

Same as in any regional office. Some are busier and staffed more than others, just because of local. Some are smaller and not as active, but it’s easier and more cost effective to have one there for WHEN something transpires

MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:15:59pm

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kipling’s “The Man Who Would be King” just popped to mind.

/*bangs head on desk*

Jungle Book was on TCM earlier.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:16:21pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

You ever surf at Turtle Bay? Monster waves dude…

Me? Surf?
(as much as I liked the early Beach Boys …) YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING !

SteveC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:16:50pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

Same as in any regional office. Some are busier and staffed more than others, just because of local. Some are smaller and not as active, but it’s easier and more cost effective to have one there for WHEN something transpires

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:17:29pm

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kipling’s “The Man Who Would be King” just popped to mind.

/*bangs head on desk*

For some unknown reason, I just thought of Sean Connery.

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Me? Surf?
(as much as I liked the early Beach Boys …) YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING !

What? You can’t live in Hawaii without Surfing…It’s the Law..
I’m calling the FBI on you
*wink*

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:18:57pm

re: #57 HoosierHoops

What? You can’t live in Hawaii without Surfing…It’s the Law..
I’m calling the FBI on you
*wink*

I didn’t surf, snorkle or scuba. I ate Hula Pie.

sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:19:00pm

re: #55 SteveC

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Bingo

Also, being an American territory, once someone lands there (and is checked out passport and cutoms wise) if they were to then take a dircect flight to the mainland they would by-pass customs

bratwurst Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:20:17pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

Bingo

Also, being an American territory, once someone lands there (and is checked out passport and cutoms wise) if they were to then take a dircect flight to the mainland they would by-pass customs

Good point.

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:20:20pm

re: #58 debutaunt

I didn’t surf, snorkle or scuba. I ate Hula Pie.

Did you try the corn soup? You can’t go to Hawaii without eating corn soup…

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:20:31pm

re: #57 HoosierHoops

What? You can’t live in Hawaii without Surfing…It’s the Law..
I’m calling the FBI on you
*wink*

Actually surfing is evil. One good wave is all it takes to ruin a good golf game.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #56 debutaunt

For some unknown reason, I just thought of Sean Connery.

The feminine perspective, I’m sure.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:22:06pm

re: #57 HoosierHoops

What? You can’t live in Hawaii without Surfing…It’s the Law..
I’m calling the FBI on you
*wink*

And I never ate poi, either.

/might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:24:02pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

Did you try the corn soup? You can’t go to Hawaii without eating corn soup…

That sounds good!!!

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I never ate poi, either.

/might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb

Poi is a big trick to play on tourists. They only got me once.

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:29:24pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

Did you try the corn soup? You can’t go to Hawaii without eating corn soup…

Found a recipe: [Link: gohawaii.about.com…]

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:30:59pm

Poi got a bad rap. It’s like a bunch of people coming to Ireland and the locals going ‘here, try this potato’ then giving them a boiled potato with nothing on it.

You’d think ‘what the hell is the big deal?’

No Hawaiian eats poi alone, it’s an accompaniment to other things. Try it with some lomi salmon or with poke. And Steinlager or Kona Brewing company beer.

Then you’ll like it.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:31:28pm

re: #66 debutaunt

Poi is a big trick to play on tourists. They only got me once.

However, it comes in very handy if the wallpaper begins peeling.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:31:31pm

Amazing, isn’t it, to think that we live on a planet where we imagine ourselves more or less in charge of things, and where the most pressing matters are, geologically speaking, the most trivial? Those folk in Samoa were probably caught up, as we all are, in our day-to-day drama, never seeing beyond the end of our noses, and so never realized the extreme danger in which they, and we, are in at every moment.

Like that story from Dashiell Hammett - or was it Chandler - (can’t recall the novel, but one of his stories within the story): A fellow lives a normal life, car dealer, I think. Anyway, up and disappears one day like the earth swallowed him up.. Detective tracks him down, and realizes he’s set up life again same as before he disappeared. Guy looks a little older, has a scar on his cheek, lives in a house just like the one he left, is married to a woman who looks like his old wife, and is even in the same profession as before.

Fellow tells him he was going out to lunch one day and a steel beam fell from a construction site and slammed the pavement in front of him, and a piece of cement that got kicked up cut his face a little. He realized then that he’d been living life like it was an orderly, predictable and reasonable thing, when in fact it wasn’t any of those. And so, he adjusted to this reality and up and changed his way of life.

As the narrator points out, he adjusted to beams falling, and, once they stopped, adjusted to them not falling.

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:32:01pm

re: #67 debutaunt

Found a recipe: [Link: gohawaii.about.com…]

I loved Hawaii.. I worked there for 3 years at Pearl…
It’s a magical place

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #68 BigPapa

Poi got a bad rap. It’s like a bunch of people coming to Ireland and the locals going ‘here, try this potato’ then giving them a boiled potato with nothing on it.

You’d think ‘what the hell is the big deal?’

No Hawaiian eats poi alone, it’s an accompaniment to other things. Try it with some lomi salmon or with poke. And Steinlager or Kona Brewing company beer.

Then you’ll like it.

Or Spam!

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:33:26pm

re: #70 Guanxi88

No, it was Hammett.

debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:33:44pm

re: #71 HoosierHoops

I loved Hawaii.. I worked there for 3 years at Pearl…
It’s a magical place

It is a lovely place to vacation, especially in February when the humpback whales are frolicking.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:34:06pm

I wonder if PETA’s discovered those feather capes and helmets in Honolulu’s Bishop Museum.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:34:48pm

re: #74 debutaunt

It is a lovely place to vacation, especially in February when the humpback whales are frolicking.

Is that what you kids call it nowadays?

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:35:09pm

re: #72 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Or Spam!

Don’t pick on da Spam! Again, you don’t eat it alone, it’s with stuff.

Musubi, with a little furikaka and a splash of teriyaki… you’ll come to the Processed Pig Dark Side soon enough.

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:35:12pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

I admire India’s approach. They don’t accept any kind of international assistance unless they absolutely, positively, can’t do it themselves and lives are at stake.

If they can do it, so can we.

SF Zionist -

INDIA is a Proud Nation, as are we, go from there. That is all.

-S-

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:37:26pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Don’t pick on da Spam! Again, you don’t eat it alone, it’s with stuff.

Musubi, with a little furikaka and a splash of teriyaki… you’ll come to the Processed Pig Dark Side soon enough.

What Island are you on Big Papa? errr.. I mean bra…

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:37:52pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Don’t pick on da Spam! Again, you don’t eat it alone, it’s with stuff.

I like mine with with Tabasco and Velveeta, two pieces of Wonder and grilled to perfection!

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:37:52pm

re: #78 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

PAKISTAN - not so Much!

-S-

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:39:44pm

re: #71 HoosierHoops

I loved Hawaii.. I worked there for 3 years at Pearl…
It’s a magical place

When did they take down the big hammerhead crane?

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:41:56pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

What Island are you on Big Papa? errr.. I mean bra…

Big Island, Kailua Kona. Iron Man is today, my office is right in the middle of the race zone.

Here is a cam about an 8 minute walk from me (scroll down):

[Link: konaweb.com…]

HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When did they take down the big hammerhead crane?

I worked on the Arco for 3 years..I don’t recall a hammerhead crane my friend..
I was TDY 89-91 at Pearl

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:44:30pm

Here it is:

“Flitcraft had been a good citizen and a good husband and father, not by any outer compulsion, but simply because he was a man who was most comfortable with his surroundings. He had been raised that way. The people he knew were like that. The life he knew was a clean orderly sane responsible affair. Now a falling beam had shown him that life was fundamentally none of these things. He, the good citizen-husband-father, could be wiped out between office and restaurant by the accident of a falling beam. He knew then that men died at haphazard like that, and lived only while blind chance spared them.

It was not, primarily, the injustice of it that disturbed him: he accepted that after the first shock. What disturbed him was the discovery that in sensibly ordering his affairs he had got out of step, and not into step, with life. He said he knew before he had gone twenty feet from the fallen beam that he would never know peace again until he had adjusted himself to this new glimpse of life. By the time he had eaten his luncheon he had found his means of adjustment. Life could be ended for him at random by a falling beam: he would change his life at random by simply going away. He loved his family, he said, as much as he supposed was usual, but he knew he was leaving them adequately provided for, and his love for them was not the sort that would make absence painful.

“He went to Seattle that afternoon,” Spade said, “and from there by boat to San Francisco. For a couple of years he wandered around and then drifted back to the Northwest, and settled in Spokane and got married. His second wife didn’t look like the first, but they were more like than they were different. You know, the kind of women that play fair games of golf and bridge and like new salad-recipes. He wasn’t sorry for what he had done. It seemed reasonable enough to him. I don’t think he even knew he had settled back naturally in the same groove he had jumped out of in Tacoma. But that’s the part of it I always liked. He adjusted to beams falling, and then no more of them fell, and he adjusted himself to them not falling.”

It’s a wonderful parable, and I’ve always wondered why Hammett has Spade tell this story to her at this point.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #84 HoosierHoops

I worked on the Arco for 3 years..I don’t recall a hammerhead crane my friend..
I was TDY 89-91 at Pearl

You can see it in this photo of Dec. 7th, over on the right, kind of below where the sub base is.

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:49:04pm

re: #83 BigPapa

My Dad has a warehouse in Kona. He lives in Waimanalo though and lets his wife’s nephew stay on the BI.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:49:25pm

bbl

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:56:45pm

re: #80 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I like mine with with Tabasco and Velveeta, two pieces of Wonder and grilled to perfection!

Well, several kinds of unkosher in one.
As well several kinds of “Is this really food?”
Wonder Bread - “I wonder, is this really bread or soft foam?”
Velveeta - plumbing sealant, or the Cheese that Would Not Die?
Spam - ?

Tabasco - a food, and kosher, and it makes anything (almost) taste good.

Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:59:04pm

re: #89 Kosh’s Shadow

Spam - ?

It’s the Wonder of meat.

Probably not Kosher…

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:02:38pm

re: #90 BigPapa

It’s the Wonder of meat.

Probably not Kosher…

I me a fellow in Beantown, a Russki immigrant, who told me that his wartime experience with SPAM was the initial spark that drove him to come to the States.

He lived at Leningrad, and endured the siege and warfare there (a long and depressing tale, and his but one of millions) and he recalled the first time he was handed a tin of SPAM from the US as part of relief supplies. He was amazed to think of country that could, while itself at war, still process, pack, and ship tins of meat to total strangers on the other side of the world, just to help out.

He figured any country that rich, and with such a deeply human government, had to be the place for him. Guy loved his Spam.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:03:03pm

re: #90 BigPapa

It’s the Wonder of meat.

Probably not Kosher…

Yeah, I don’t think there’s much dispute on that.

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #89 Kosh’s Shadow

Yo Kosh -

GRAK Cheese on Kosher (at Least Kosher Dairy) Bread with Tabasco (Hopefully McIlheney’s) works for me. I love Cheese with Salsa on Parve or Dairy Bread. That is all.

-S-

wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:06:34pm

I’m eating peanut butter on a whole wheat tortilla.

/is this Twitter?

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #93 Dr. Shalit

Yo Kosh -

GRAK Cheese on Kosher (at Least Kosher Dairy) Bread with Tabasco (Hopefully McIlheney’s) works for me. I love Cheese with Salsa on Parve or Dairy Bread. That is all.

-S-

What you gotta do is to melt up that cheese, stir in the salsa, to make a nice salsa queso, which is wonderful on toast.

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:08:23pm

re: #91 Guanxi88

Guanxi88 -

Where it comes to the preservation of LIFE - Trefe IS KOSHER. Need I say more?

-S-

Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

G88 -

And so it is.

-S-

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #96 Dr. Shalit

Guanxi88 -

Where it comes to the preservation of LIFE - Trefe IS KOSHER. Need I say more?

-S-

No, but he was just your garden variety Russki who dug his spam, and dug it intensely. Funny to think of the springs that move the heart.

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:10:35pm

re: #90 BigPapa

It’s the Wonder of meat.

Probably not Kosher…

Certainly not, as it contains pork and ham. If it really does contain meat, and not some synthetic/

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:12:31pm

Munching on a mooncake now. Last of the stash from the Lunar Festival at work. A bit dry, but toothsome all the same.

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MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:13:04pm

Three defendants in Iran’s mass trial of opposition figures accused of fueling the country’s postelection unrest have been sentenced to death, an Iranian news agency reported Saturday.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:13:05pm

Guanxi88 and Kosh’s Shadow -

The TORAH as the US CONSTITUTION is an aspiration - NOT a Suicide Pact.

-S-

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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:13:06pm

re: #96 Dr. Shalit

Guanxi88 -

Where it comes to the preservation of LIFE - Trefe IS KOSHER. Need I say more?

-S-

Yes, eating treif isn’t one of the sins forbidden even at the cost of a life. If the choice is starve or eat treife, you are allowed to eat it.

However, Jews may not bow to an idol, kill an innocent person (OK to kill someone trying to kill you or condemned by a court), and there is another one that I don’t remember, even if the alternative is being killed.

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #103 Kosh’s Shadow

Yes, eating treif isn’t one of the sins forbidden even at the cost of a life. If the choice is starve or eat treife, you are allowed to eat it.

However, Jews may not bow to an idol, kill an innocent person (OK to kill someone trying to kill you or condemned by a court), and there is another one that I don’t remember, even if the alternative is being killed.

The last one is incest, if memory serves.

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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:14:07pm

re: #103 Kosh’s Shadow

Yes, eating treif isn’t one of the sins forbidden even at the cost of a life. If the choice is starve or eat treife, you are allowed to eat it.

However, Jews may not bow to an idol, kill an innocent person (OK to kill someone trying to kill you or condemned by a court), and there is another one that I don’t remember, even if the alternative is being killed.

One correction. If someone says “Eat this pork or I’ll kill you”, I think that might be forbidden, but if it is eat the pork or starve, it is allowed.

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #93 Dr. Shalit

Yo Kosh -

GRAK Cheese on Kosher (at Least Kosher Dairy) Bread with Tabasco (Hopefully McIlheney’s) works for me. I love Cheese with Salsa on Parve or Dairy Bread. That is all.

-S-

Monterey Jack or Muenster cheese on pita with salsa, fried mushrooms and eggplant is very good.

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:17:20pm

re: #105 Kosh’s Shadow

One correction. If someone says “Eat this pork or I’ll kill you”, I think that might be forbidden, but if it is eat the pork or starve, it is allowed.

Rambam’s Discourse on Martyrdom

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:17:46pm

re: #106 Alouette

Monterey Jack or Muenster cheese on pita with salsa, fried mushrooms and eggplant is very good.

I’ll take one, please.

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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:18:51pm

Personally, I dig swine … bacon … wow.

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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:19:09pm

And speaking of that…gotta make some food and off to bed! Later all!

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:20:44pm

re: #105 Kosh’s Shadow

One correction. If someone says “Eat this pork or I’ll kill you”, I think that might be forbidden, but if it is eat the pork or starve, it is allowed.

No, one is not required to choose death in such a case, if I recall correctly, any more than one is forced to choose death over an insincere conversion, if push comes to shove. Best is to move, of course.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:21:29pm

re: #106 Alouette

Alouette -

Believe Monterrey Jack - AND - Muenster are “GRAK” Add - Peppers, Onions, Potatoes, Salt, Pepper and Ketchup. Sorta kinda a Dairy Italian Hot Dog.

-S-

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Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:21:30pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Maybe the mullahs are making thier case for next year’s Nobel Peace Prize.

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:24:28pm

re: #112 Dr. Shalit

Alouette -

Believe Monterrey Jack - AND - Muenster are “GRAK” Add - Peppers, Onions, Potatoes, Salt, Pepper and Ketchup. Sorta kinda a Dairy Italian Hot Dog.

-S-

What’s “GRAK”?

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:26:02pm

The Israel winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry appears to be an idiot savant.

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Bagua Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #105 Kosh’s Shadow

One correction. If someone says “Eat this pork or I’ll kill you”, I think that might be forbidden, but if it is eat the pork or starve, it is allowed.

As I understand the codes are no where near that strict, if the choice is simply healthy or medicinal, it is also permitted.

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:27:22pm

re: #116 Bagua

As I understand the codes are no where near that strict, if the choice is simply healthy or medicinal, it is also permitted.

Choose, therefore, life… and all that.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:27:48pm

re: #113 Fenway_Nation

Maybe the mullahs are making thier case for next year’s Nobel Peace Prize.

Fenway_Nation -

1. The “Mullahs” have always had their candidate - His Name is one or another variation on “MOHAMMED.”
2. Until VERY RECENTLY - That name was Anathema to the Europeans who award the Nobel Prize.
3. Today, as for anathema - NOT SO MUCH.

-S-

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MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:27:49pm

Ire: #115 Alouette

The Israel winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry appears to be an idiot savant.

I was just reading about her. Maybe make that just “idiot”.

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:28:46pm

re: #116 Bagua

As I understand the codes are no where near that strict, if the choice is simply healthy or medicinal, it is also permitted.

Diabetics who keep kosher are allowed to inject pork insulin, even if beef insulin is available if the pork insulin is a better product.

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Bagua Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:29:18pm

re: #117 Guanxi88

Choose, therefore, life… and all that.

Exactly, but there are always fanatics with their own rigid interpretation. The Talmudic sages were much deeper thinkers and inherently reasonable, flexible and conservative.

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Cathypop Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:30:14pm

re: #119 MandyManners

I

I was just reading about her. Maybe make that just “idiot”.

Agree but make that a RAVING IDIOT!

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:30:27pm

re: #119 MandyManners

I

I was just reading about her. Maybe make that just “idiot”.

“MM” -

NOT an Idiot -

Stockholm Syndrome - Probably.

Self-Hating Jew - Perhaps.

-S-

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:30:42pm

Noting the time stamp on my post: I am a Sabbath observer, but it is Saturday night here in Israel, where we keep only one day of the Shemini Atzeret/Simchat Torah holiday.

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MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:31:09pm

Gotta’ cook.

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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:31:40pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Every single time I hear the word “mullah”, I always think of making the song “Wooly Bully” into a “Mullah Bully” parody.

Youtube Video

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MandyManners Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:31:46pm

re: #123 Dr. Shalit

“MM” -

NOT an Idiot -

Stockholm Syndrome - Probably.

Self-Hating Jew - Perhaps.

-S-

No, it’s idiotic to believe that the Jordyptians locked up should just be released.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:32:19pm

re: #124 Alouette

Alouette -

As memory serves about 12:31 AM your time now.

-S-

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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #126 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I think the one with the pink hat is Machmood Imawackjob.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:34:46pm

re: #127 MandyManners

MandyManners -

Let us just say that with the prisoners you are talking about, MY MANNERS would be Attenuated to say the least. That is all and probably more than enough.

-S-

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:37:09pm

Two and a half more days to spend in Israel. I came primarily to help my daughter with her fourth baby (my 23rd grandbaby), and so I did not do much sightseeing. I did go to Jerusalem for 2 days to pray at the Kotel (just one day before all the uproar) and buy some souvenirs. And I also went for a stroll in the Old City of Safed and visited the Ari Zal synagogue, famous for its kabbalistic rabbis. I window shopped the art galleries with all their overpriced products that I can get cheaper at the Zionist Mall.

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Bagua Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:37:16pm

The EDL (English Defence League) have been busy Beavers:

34 Arrested at anti-Islamic demonstration in Manchester

35 arrested in Birmingham despite the EDL having promised a “summer of peaceful demonstrations against British Islamic extremists

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:39:36pm

re: #128 Dr. Shalit

Alouette -

As memory serves about 12:31 AM your time now.

-S-

It’s 11:39 PM here, Israel went off Daylight Savings Time the night before Yom Kippur, so that the daytime fast would end earlier.

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:39:47pm

For a minute I thought that headline read ‘Samoan tuna’, and that conservatives were spreading rumors about Nancy Pelosi’s business dealings again.
///

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:41:03pm

re: #132 Bagua

I love their twisty language… ’ the anti-far-right group’. Why don’t they just say the leftists?

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:41:05pm

re: #133 Alouette

Good Deal -

I went all 25 Hours. 1 Day is not so bad, 2 or 3 - different story.

-S-

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:41:38pm

re: #135 tradewind

I love their twisty language… ’ the anti-far-right group’. Why don’t they just say the leftists?

Because there are no leftists - only rightists.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #137 Guanxi88

Because there are no leftists - only rightists.

Ganxi88 -

Sounds like “1968” all over again.

-S-

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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:44:30pm

Better than a Flu Shot!

Miss Beatrice, the church organist, was in her eighties and had never been married. She was admired for her sweetness and kindness to all.

One afternoon the pastor came to call on her and she showed him into her quaint sitting room. She invited him to have a seat while she prepared tea. As he sat facing her old Hammond organ, the young minister noticed a cute glass bowl sitting on top of it.

The bowl was filled with water, and in the water floated, of all things, a condom! When she returned with tea and scones, they began to chat. The pastor tried to stifle his curiosity about the bowl of water and its strange floater, but soon it got the better of him and he could no longer resist.

‘Miss Beatrice’, he said, ‘I wonder if you would tell me about this?’ Pointing to the bowl. ‘Oh, yes,’ she replied, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? I was walking through the park a few months ago and I found this little package on the ground. The directions said to place it on the organ, keep it wet and that it would prevent the spread of disease. Do you know I haven’t had the flu all winter.’

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:46:10pm

re: #137 Guanxi88

Check/

O/T question for LVQ or who ever wants it.. how is this going to work for them?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk…]

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Bagua Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #135 tradewind

I love their twisty language… ’ the anti-far-right group’. Why don’t they just say the leftists?

They are more than simply “Leftists,” and many, if not most, on the “right” also oppose the EDL.

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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:22pm

I think there is actually a blog worse than pamela geller’s in the Most Horribly Loading Page category- and it is RS McCain.

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #114 Alouette

What’s “GRAK”?

Alouette -

Sorry NOT to ave seen this before - “GRAK” = “Generally Recognized As Kosher.”

-S-

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HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #133 Alouette

It’s 11:39 PM here, Israel went off Daylight Savings Time the night before Yom Kippur, so that the daytime fast would end earlier.

יש לי טובה מיוחדת לשאול אותך כשאת חוזרת הביתה .. זה עבור חברים יהודים שלנו עבור הרשימה תפילה ..במאי החסד של אלוהים עליכם

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Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:48:50pm

For whatever it’s worth, I’m pretty sure I’m the only lizard who’s ever set foot in Pago Pago. That was about 10 years ago- the place struck me as a fairly tranquil South Pacific backwater, so I’m a little surprised to learn that the FBI has an office in Pago Pago.

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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:49:14pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

I think there is actually a blog worse than pamela geller’s in the Most Horribly Loading Page category- and it is RS McCain.

And perhaps there is a correlation of mental health with good web design.

/don’t look at mine!

//No, I’m not giving out the address!

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:49:41pm

re: #119 MandyManners

She did say one true thing…
‘

I could be dreaming’

Un frigging believable.

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:51:28pm

re: #118 Dr. Shalit

Well, you know what they say… contempt breeds familiarity…
///

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HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:51:49pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

I think there is actually a blog worse than pamela geller’s in the Most Horribly Loading Page category- and it is RS McCain.

I have to say the worst looking Blog on the whole Internet is LGF2..
It is almost completely unreadable…Maybe that is the plan…
I have never seen an uglier blog by design

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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:52:04pm

All this food talk… I went and got me a musubi and a container of poke. Good times!

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:53:36pm

re: #113 Fenway_Nation

Uh, they’ve changed the name. It’s now the Nobel Prize for Effort.

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Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:53:43pm

re: #146 wrenchwench

And perhaps there is a correlation of mental health with good web design.

Maybe there’s something to that…

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:54:00pm

re: #150 BigPapa

What’s that in English?

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:56:12pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

I think there is actually a blog worse than pamela geller’s in the Most Horribly Loading Page category- and it is RS McCain.

sharmuta -

Pam Loads fine on mine, albeit, slower than LGF. Never tried RS McCain. ‘All ‘y’all might need more silicon in the ‘pute. As for me, I am welcome wherever I choose to go. I choose to stay here as I am more comfortable with a thinking blog and webmaster. That is all.

-S-

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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:01:34pm

Spam Musubi with Furikake
With spicy thai poke
Oh, and beer.

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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

hahahahaahahhahahahaahaa

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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #151 tradewind

Uh, they’ve changed the name. It’s now the Nobel Prize for Effort.

NPR’s Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me show was totally rippin’ on the prize this morning. They referred to it as a “Preemptive Honorarium.”

They then went on, in a segment about the opening of a McDonald’s restaurant at the Louvre, to remark that “The French have surrendered again.”

It was hard to believe it was NPR, especially this particular show, which is normally a liberal cesspool. They must be worried about the Fairness Doctrine forcing content down their throat or something.

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tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:43:01pm

re: #157 SixDegrees

The French reacted avec horreur to the opening of the first McDonalds in Paris… and yet, McDonalds was the only place where the oldsters who had been left on their own in that record August heat wave a few years back could get a free cup of ice water and sit in the air conditioning. French hospitals weren’t air conditioned, nursing homes weren’t either, but McDonalds gave them free ice water.
Go figure.

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lumberjack Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:22:42pm

Nearly 200 dead. I’ll pray for their souls and the comfort of their loved ones.

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Quilly Mammoth Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:10:24pm

A move to the mountains is looking better all the time.

Meanwhile, I am amazed that they are not reporting more dead.

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RadicalRon Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:03:12pm

I wonder if Bobby Jindahl has any objections about the tsunami warning network?

Awesome video.

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