McCain Admits Sarah Palin Tension

In an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, John McCain finally admits there was tension between his campaign manager Steve Schmidt and the Sarah Palin camp: McCain weighs in on Palin in 2012.

He had to admit it because Schmidt forced his hand by saying recently that a Palin candidacy would be catastrophic. But McCain can’t agree with that assessment, because it would call into question his judgment in bringing Palin on board to mollify the religious right. So instead he calls her “a formidable force in the Republican Party.”

He’s trying to get out in front of Palin’s new book (ghostwritten by a far right religious advocate who co-wrote an earlier book with a white supremacist), which will reportedly not say very nice things about McCain’s campaign manager.

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1 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:04:25pm

oh this should be good...

2 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:04:36pm

McCain blew it with every independent voter when he picked Sarah

3 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:04:40pm

Politics are messy.

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:06:02pm

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

5 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:06:21pm

Way too little way too late. This is mere Kabuki theater.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

McCain blew it with every independent voter when he picked Sarah

I was excited about her up until Katie Couric.

7 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:06:48pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

same as when he was running...

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:06:56pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

They are THE BASE. We will all be assimilated. Or try like hell to be, if we're the Republican candidate.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

See my #3.
He wanted to be President, so ...

10 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:08:21pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

I was excited about her up until Katie Couric.

right ... she had about 5 minutes in the sunlight before it all unraveled

11 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:08:41pm

Why is he even on the show? This is so last years drama. The Repubs need to be looking forward, not back. As does CNN

12 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:09:23pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

Why is he even on the show? This is so last years drama. The Repubs need to be looking forward, not back. As does CNN

because this IS cnn...

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:10:25pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

John McCain doesn't like the sorts of political dogfights the far-right (and far-left) enjoy. He cares about getting things done. In the name of that goal, he's tried to keep the GOP united on issues that matter, only to find himself vilified as a RINO by people who walking a two valued world where anyone not ideologically pure is evil.

14 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:10:37pm

Come on John. Admit it. You blew it with that pick. This face saving helps nobody and helping her further her career in the GOP can only damage the party you claimed to care about.

Perhaps your slogan should have been "My Reputation First".

15 jantjepietje  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

I was excited about her up until Katie Couric.


Yes but because you didn't know a lot about her.

It's sort of hard to imagine that McCain's staff interviewed less thorough then Katie Couric though. I know Couric is credited with exposing her lack of knowledge etc but really she threw softball questions that anyone should have been able to answer. They must have known what they got into when they selected her, it's impossible that they didn't.

16 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:11:20pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's trying to please a section of the party that never liked him, never wanted him, and can't wait until he leaves the political scene forever. Why he's trying to please these people is anyone's guess.

looking for love in all the wrong places?

17 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:11:47pm

I was looking forward to a Cato the Elder thread.
//

18 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:12:16pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

They are THE BASE. We will all be assimilated. Or try like hell to be, if we're the Republican candidate.

I agree with Charles- he can't question Palin's electability too much, or it reflects badly on him. He's still a part of the machine, so he has to play nice, be diplomatic, and basically be a politician. His former campaign manager isn't in such a position, so he can speak freely. McCain is still in the halls of power. It makes a difference.

19 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:12:36pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

Why is he even on the show? This is so last years drama. The Repubs need to be looking forward, not back. As does CNN

Because her book is about to come out and it's predicted to be a campaign tell-all.

20 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

I was looking forward to a Cato the Elder thread.
//

not logged in...

21 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:13:05pm

Did McCain just try to blame the drop in the polls on a stock market crash? Huh?

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:13:14pm

re: #20 brookly red

not logged in...

*whew!*

23 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #20 brookly red

not logged in...

Somebody uplink the Bat-signal.

24 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:14:10pm

re: #19 Conservative Moonbat

Because her book is about to come out and it's predicted to be a campaign tell-all.


gee my budget is tight. should I buy the book or a case of beer??

25 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:15:06pm

re: #24 brookly red

gee my budget is tight. should I buy the book or a case of beer??

The lowlights will be published here. Go with the beer.

26 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #20 brookly red

not logged in...

Yes I am.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:15:21pm

re: #15 jantjepietje

Yes but because you didn't know a lot about her.

It's sort of hard to imagine that McCain's staff interviewed less thorough then Katie Couric though. I know Couric is credited with exposing her lack of knowledge etc but really she threw softball questions that anyone should have been able to answer. They must have known what they got into when they selected her, it's impossible that they didn't.

True. I liked the profile--she was young, and female, and from a Western state, and had kids. I assumed she was going to be some kind of fiscal responsibility whiz kid to balance McCain out. I also assumed she'd be competent to run.

28 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #19 Conservative Moonbat

So they toss him a freebie preemptive defense? I wonder who has seen the galleys.

29 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:15:25pm

"That's right, fight among yourselves."

—McCain quote from the campaign, referring to the Democrats.

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:16:05pm

re: #21 mich-again

Did McCain just try to blame the drop in the polls on a stock market crash? Huh?

Yes, that's his excuse.

31 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:16:07pm

re: #24 brookly red

Might depend on your beer. If its a light beer its a tougher call.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:16:48pm

re: #21 mich-again

Did McCain just try to blame the drop in the polls on a stock market crash? Huh?

It can't have helped. McCain's biggest problem was that he was trying to follow up Bush, and everyone was sick of Bush and mad at him. When the economy fell apart, it didn't help.

33 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #25 debutaunt

The lowlights will be published here. Go with the beer.

I buy very few books ... the library loans them for free. and this one doesn't promise to be the next "classic read." buy the brewskis

34 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Yes I am.

no your not

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:17:25pm

re: #24 brookly red

gee my budget is tight. should I buy the book or a case of beer??

I'd go with the beer, and read the reviews online. They'll pull all the juicy stuff anyway.

36 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:18:11pm

re: #28 Rightwingconspirator

So they toss him a freebie preemptive defense? I wonder who has seen the galleys.

/they are looking at 2012, LOL

37 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:18:15pm
"We were ahead of the polls until...(I suspended my campaign for who the hell knows why...)"

FTFY

38 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:18:18pm

re: #30 Charles

I seem to recall the "suspend the campaign" moment as the big drop for him. Was that not the crash moment?

39 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #34 brookly red

no your not

If I'm following these comments correctly, did Walter just claim to be CtE's sock?

40 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:19:06pm

re: #36 brookly red

Recruiting him for color commentary perhaps? At 103 years old? Ok I exaggerated.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I seem to recall the "suspend the campaign" moment as the big drop for him. Was that not the crash moment?

Probably. For one thing, it emphasized the apparent belief that Bush couldn't or wouldn't do anything about the economy's nosedive. But I do think that once the stock market crashed on a Republican's watch, McCain was basically screwed.

42 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #39 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If I'm following these comments correctly, did Walter just claim to be CtE's sock?

yes but I am not buying it...

43 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:19:56pm

"Lets let a thousand flowers bloom" I don't get that. I'm like a cow staring at a new gate with that one.

44 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:20:04pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure if it was the crash or the inept response that really hit him hard.

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:20:25pm

re: #42 brookly red

yes but I am not buying it...

(heh, ... neither am I!)

46 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:20:31pm

Listening to that, I thought McCain was really dignified and fair. He's a seasoned politician, he has to be that way. It wasn't a winning combination. They lost. The left should be happy.

In any case, the left love this drama. Hating Sarah Palin is their new Bush-hate depository.

47 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:20:55pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I seem to recall the "suspend the campaign" moment as the big drop for him. Was that not the crash moment?

I know some republicans that decided to not vote for McCain when he signed onto TARP. He lost some fisc-cons with that move.

48 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:20:58pm

If McCain tries a 2012...I will know for a fact he has been paid off to do it. Don't even need the tinfoil hat for that one. Dude...retire already.

49 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #40 Rightwingconspirator

Recruiting him for color commentary perhaps? At 103 years old? Ok I exaggerated.

the phrase "so old you phart dust" comes to mind...

50 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:21:59pm

At 65 all politicians should retire, in my humble opinion. There may have been some worthwhile dinosaurs in the past...but it's time for 'change'.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:23:12pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

...once the stock market crashed on a Republican's watch, McCain was basically screwed.

Could be, but IMHO, that says a lot about many, or most, voters' decision-making processes.

/and it ain't good

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:23:37pm

re: #50 Oh no...Sand People!

At 65 all politicians should retire, in my humble opinion. There may have been some worthwhile dinosaurs in the past...but it's time for 'change'.

Drink!

53 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #50 Oh no...Sand People!

At 65 all politicians should retire, in my humble opinion. There may have been some worthwhile dinosaurs in the past...but it's time for 'change'.

what? they know damn well social security is bankrupt...

54 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:24:17pm

re: #46 FrogMarch

In any case, the left love this drama. Hating Sarah Palin is their new Bush-hate depository.

Yes,Yes,Yes

55 windhorse  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:24:27pm

...that the Repubs couldn't make a better choice than McCain in August 2007 is where the problem lies... I knew the guy was the wrong Nominee, and he lived up to all of my expectations.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

I'm not sure if it was the crash or the inept response that really hit him hard.

I'd say, combo. I'm not sure if any reaction could have gotten him over the crash, but the one he picked wasn't it.

I do tend to think that McCain was pretty much doomed, and that a bag of Cheetos with "Dem." after its name was going to get elected instead of him. I wish he'd maybe realized that and run the campaign he wanted.

57 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #46 FrogMarch

Listening to that, I thought McCain was really dignified and fair. He's a seasoned politician, he has to be that way. It wasn't a winning combination. They lost. The left should be happy.

In any case, the left love this drama. Hating Sarah Palin is their new Bush-hate depository.

Actually it isn't. They mock her for her obvious deficiencies. It's not hate and it is not derangement the way it might have been in some circles during the campaign.

And yes, the left loves it because watching the right shower an ineffective and unelectable candidate with praise she doesn't deserve can only help their own chances. I'd say it's more amazement than derangement at this stage of the game.

58 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:25:35pm

re: #46 FrogMarch

Listening to that, I thought McCain was really dignified and fair. He's a seasoned politician, he has to be that way. It wasn't a winning combination. They lost. The left should be happy.

In any case, the left love this drama. Hating Sarah Palin is their new Bush-hate depository.

and they do so hate...

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #46 FrogMarch

Listening to that, I thought McCain was really dignified and fair. He's a seasoned politician, he has to be that way. It wasn't a winning combination. They lost. The left should be happy.

In any case, the left love this drama. Hating Sarah Palin is their new Bush-hate depository.

I personally get a huge kick out of hating Sarah Palin. And I liked Bush as a person. Not so much as a president, but I thought he was a good man. With excellent taste in wives.

60 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:26:40pm

re: #53 brookly red

what? they know damn well social security is bankrupt...

Well... social security is just like the upcoming "Nationalized Health Care"...they don't take part and they get the creme' De la creme' retirement package.

Hoi poloi versus the Elite

*spit*

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:29:00pm

re: #60 Oh no...Sand People!

Well... social security is just like the upcoming "Nationalized Health Care"...they don't take part and they get the creme' De la creme' retirement package.

Hoi poloi versus the Elite

*spit*

Rich and connected people do get better stuff.

62 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:29:34pm

Sarah Palin is to the Republicans as Al Gore is to AGW. Out of the race, and into advocacy, often in embarrassing ways. "With Friends like This".

63 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:30:08pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Rich and connected people do get better stuff.

Rich, connected politicians have a hell of a healthcare plan.

64 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:30:20pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

Actually it isn't. They mock her for her obvious deficiencies. It's not hate and it is not derangement the way it might have been in some circles during the campaign.

And yes, the left loves it because watching the right shower an ineffective and unelectable candidate with praise she doesn't deserve can only help their own chances. I'd say it's more amazement than derangement at this stage of the game.

Sad when Palin's foreign policy of "I see russia from my house" or whatever it is...is superior to Biden's preemptive appeasement of Iran after 9/11, "Let's give them 200 billion dollars"...and this idiot is the "Foreign Policy EXPERT" out of the bunch...

We are so screwed either way...

65 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I seem to recall the "suspend the campaign" moment as the big drop for him. Was that not the crash moment?

I remember that moment. There was a seismic shift in the force.
It all went to hell after that. Certainly too, the Sarah luster wore off. She dared to mock the one and then her daughter became pregnant, and then we discovered, thanks to Sully, that Palin faked her own pregnancy. / and that Palin could see Russia from her house...

I wonder, If McCain would have chosen someone else, would he have won?
I doubt it.

66 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:31:57pm

re: #63 debutaunt

Rich, connected politicians have a hell of a healthcare plan.

our taxes...

67 Liberally Conservative  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:32:10pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally get a huge kick out of hating Sarah Palin. And I liked Bush as a person. Not so much as a president, but I thought he was a good man. With excellent taste in wives.

I also liked Bush as a person. Although I didn't agree with many of his policies, I got the impression that he believed in what he was doing, and that (Bush thought) it was the right thing for the country. I also respect him for giving increased aid to Africa, because I believe that was a personal choice of his.

That being said, the results of his presidency were far from ideal, and his administration mismanaged many of their responsibilities, but I'd say the neocons and socons in his administration deserved more of the Left's hate than the man at the top.

68 PaxAmericana  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:32:25pm

What the hell has happened to my party? Michael Steele should be fired for his ineffectual handling of everything that has happened in the past year. I have been very disappointed with every vocal representative of the party. The Republicans need some young Turks to come in and delouse our political tent.

69 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:32:44pm

I think Sarha's fan base is behaving every bit as cultish as they say Obama's base is. They don't love her for her accomplishments, they love her for what they think she represents.

70 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:32:57pm

BBL

71 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:33:06pm

re: #65 FrogMarch

I agree. McCain was doomed. Sacrificial lamb. Talk about negatives both in and out of his influence! Wow. The list would be a looong post.

72 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:33:28pm

re: #65 FrogMarch

I wonder, If McCain would have chosen someone else, would he have won?
I doubt it.


Without the financial meltdown, perhaps...but once the economy tanked, he was doomed no matter what.

73 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:33:34pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally get a huge kick out of hating Sarah Palin. And I liked Bush as a person. Not so much as a president, but I thought he was a good man. With excellent taste in wives.

I don't hate her at all. That said, I'm not a fan either. I don't want her to run for office. I am puzzled by her actions and choices, but I don't think she is a bad person.

74 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:33:48pm

re: #68 PaxAmericana

Young Turks?

75 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:33:53pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

I think Sarha's fan base is behaving every bit as cultish as they say Obama's base is. They don't love her for her accomplishments, they love her for what they think she represents.

Or will represent.

76 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:34:30pm

re: #72 bratwurst

Without the financial meltdown, perhaps...but once the economy tanked, he was doomed no matter what.

so the next election should be interesting...

77 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:34:34pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

I think Sarha's fan base is behaving every bit as cultish as they say Obama's base is. They don't love her for her accomplishments, they love her for what they think she represents.

Bingo. (that's not a Palin child, btw)

78 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:34:50pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

Actually it isn't. They mock her for her obvious deficiencies. It's not hate and it is not derangement the way it might have been in some circles during the campaign.

And yes, the left loves it because watching the right shower an ineffective and unelectable candidate with praise she doesn't deserve can only help their own chances. I'd say it's more amazement than derangement at this stage of the game.

Exactly. And mockery. Everyone I know on the left is HOPING Palin will run in 2012. Gleefully. As a sign of the total collapse of the GOP.

The more serious people deplore her influence and the idea of her candidacy because a democracy needs two healthy political parties at a minimum, and having only one candidate to vote for is no choice at all.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:34:54pm

re: #68 PaxAmericana

What the hell has happened to my party? Michael Steele should be fired for his ineffectual handling of everything that has happened in the past year. I have been very disappointed with every vocal representative of the party. The Republicans need some young Turks to come in and delouse our political tent.

I think that trashing the Nobel was a poor idea. I mean, I agree with everything he said, but I'm not supposed to be running the Republican party.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:35:27pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

I think Sarha's fan base is behaving every bit as cultish as they say Obama's base is. They don't love her for her accomplishments, they love her for what they think she represents.

Oh, totally so.

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

Young Turks?

Will they come in riding a Kemal?

/can't believe I wrote that

82 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #67 Liberally Conservative

I also liked Bush as a person. Although I didn't agree with many of his policies, I got the impression that he believed in what he was doing, and that (Bush thought) it was the right thing for the country. I also respect him for giving increased aid to Africa, because I believe that was a personal choice of his.

That being said, the results of his presidency were far from ideal, and his administration mismanaged many of their responsibilities, but I'd say the neocons and socons in his administration deserved more of the Left's hate than the man at the top.


I couldn't agree more.

83 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:36:18pm

re: #73 FrogMarch

I still see no one I do want to run. Maybe I'll wind up focusing on the California Gov race.

84 illini72  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:36:18pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally get a huge kick out of hating Sarah Palin. And I liked Bush as a person. Not so much as a president, but I thought he was a good man. With excellent taste in wives.

Why hate Sarah Palin? Yes she is a goof and has a lot of skeletons in her closet, but hating her is a bit harsh. Laughing in her general direction now, that's something different.

I also agree with you on Bush, both points :)

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #77 Bloodnok

Bingo. (that's not a Palin child, btw)

One of the few lines she ever came up with that made me laugh was when she said that she'd thought about naming number six Zamboni. That was cute.

86 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:37:49pm

re: #78 iceweasel

Exactly. And mockery. Everyone I know on the left is HOPING Palin will run in 2012. Gleefully. As a sign of the total collapse of the GOP.

The more serious people deplore her influence and the idea of her candidacy because a democracy needs two healthy political parties at a minimum, and having only one candidate to vote for is no choice at all.

I'm not very far past the center either way, but it does help to read some of the left blogs (as you know) just to see what the tone of the debate is. I think a lot of people automatically assume that the left hates Palin with every fiber of their being or that it is because "she scarez 'um". They don't and she doesn't.

87 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:37:54pm

re: #30 Charles

Yes, that's his excuse.


I think its weak to sum up the whole financial crisis as a stock market crash. It was created by Washington over decades through bad policies and oversight. To blame his fall in the polls on the stock market crash is to try to make it sound like some kind of unforeseen event.

88 PaxAmericana  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:38:06pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

Young Turks?

Young Turks is a term describing young, fresh political reformers. The term was first used to describe the reformists of the Ottoman monarchy in the early 20th century.

Young Turks article from Wikipedia

89 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:38:06pm

re: #77 Bloodnok

Bingo. (that's not a Palin child, btw)

Yet. Hee.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:38:11pm

re: #83 Rightwingconspirator

I still see no one I do want to run. Maybe I'll wind up focusing on the California Gov race.

It should be fun. Does Whitman overcome the shame of having supported Boxer? Will Gavin run out of hair product on the road?

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:39:13pm

re: #84 illini72

Why hate Sarah Palin? Yes she is a goof and has a lot of skeletons in her closet, but hating her is a bit harsh. Laughing in her general direction now, that's something different.

I also agree with you on Bush, both points :)

She rubs me the wrong way. It's deep, and primal, and itchy.

Only way I've ever been able to explain it around here is that the sense of being totally despised by Obama that some folks around here have--I have that with Palin.

92 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:39:28pm

re: #78 iceweasel

Exactly. And mockery. Everyone I know on the left is HOPING Palin will run in 2012. Gleefully. As a sign of the total collapse of the GOP.

The more serious people deplore her influence and the idea of her candidacy because a democracy needs two healthy political parties at a minimum, and having only one candidate to vote for is no choice at all.


As someone left of center, I want the GOP to fall into line behind her...but as an American, I would genuinely hate to see the opposition in such a sad state.

93 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:39:46pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

It should be fun. Does Whitman overcome the shame of having supported Boxer? Will Gavin run out of hair product on the road?

Poor Gavin is way behind moonbat-boy.

94 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:39:51pm

re: #65 FrogMarch

I remember that moment. There was a seismic shift in the force.
It all went to hell after that. Certainly too, the Sarah luster wore off. She dared to mock the one and then her daughter became pregnant, and then we discovered, thanks to Sully, that Palin faked her own pregnancy. / and that Palin could see Russia from her house...

I wonder, If McCain would have chosen someone else, would he have won?
I doubt it.

McCain picked Sarah Palin for one reason only -- religious right leaders like James Dobson and others were on the verge of telling their millions of followers not to vote for McCain, because of his moderate stance on abortion. Palin was brought on board to get Dobson to relax his opposition to McCain, and it worked.

I lost respect for Sarah Palin after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric, and her anti-science statements such as the infamous "wasting money on studying fruit flies in Paris, France" comment. And then when she resigned as Alaska governor in the middle of her elected term, I lost whatever respect I had left. (Which wasn't much.)

And then she chose a far right fanatic who collaborated with a white supremacist to ghostwrite her book.

95 Liberally Conservative  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:40:16pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

Young Turks?

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Will they come in riding a Kemal?

/can't believe I wrote that

It makes me sad that there weren't any more leaders like Kemal, either in the Middle East or the whole world.

96 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #78 iceweasel

Exactly. And mockery. Everyone I know on the left is HOPING Palin will run in 2012. Gleefully. As a sign of the total collapse of the GOP.

The more serious people deplore her influence and the idea of her candidacy because a democracy needs two healthy political parties at a minimum, and having only one candidate to vote for is no choice at all.

so you want the GOP to collapse because a democracy needs 2 healthy parties? Hmmm lemmie think that one over.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:41:15pm

re: #86 Bloodnok

I'm not very far past the center either way, but it does help to read some of the left blogs (as you know) just to see what the tone of the debate is. I think a lot of people automatically assume that the left hates Palin with every fiber of their being or that it is because "she scarez 'um". They don't and she doesn't.

Scare, no.

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:42:32pm

re: #95 Liberally Conservative

It makes me sad that there weren't any more leaders like Kemal, either in the Middle East or the whole world.

Amen.

(And btw, you won't see me posting that pun Ataturk-ish website)

99 abbyadams  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:43:56pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

And some (R)s.

100 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:44:20pm

re: #96 brookly red

so you want the GOP to collapse because a democracy needs 2 healthy parties? Hmmm lemmie think that one over.

The more serious people deplore her influence and the idea of her candidacy because a democracy needs two healthy political parties at a minimum, and having only one candidate to vote for is no choice at all.

I'd put her in this camp, but then again I'm biased. Y'know reading her past posts about this 'n stuff.

101 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:44:21pm

re: #96 brookly red

so you want the GOP to collapse because a democracy needs 2 healthy parties? Hmmm lemmie think that one over.

Uh, no.
The GOP right now is rotten. It needs to either reform itself, or the reasonable right and reasonable conservatives need to form a new party-- if they can't take back the GOP.

Have fun pretending I said something else, though.

102 Illini72  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:08pm

Who would be the ideal GOP candidates (Pres and VP) to challenge the one in 2012? This past teaming was just plain awful.

103 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:18pm

re: #83 Rightwingconspirator

I still see no one I do want to run. Maybe I'll wind up focusing on the California Gov race.

It's a frightful mess out there. We have a congress filled with tax-cheating corrupt, lying, economic illiterates. Dysfunction to the right, dysfunction to the left. Mostly the left. But they get a pass.

104 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #94 Charles

McCain picked Sarah Palin for one two reasons only -- religious right leaders like James Dobson and others were on the verge of telling their millions of followers not to vote for McCain, because of his moderate stance on abortion. Palin was brought on board to get Dobson to relax his opposition to McCain, and it worked.

I lost respect for Sarah Palin after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric, and her anti-science statements such as the infamous "wasting money on studying fruit flies in Paris, France" comment. And then when she resigned as Alaska governor in the middle of her elected term, I lost whatever respect I had left.

And then she chose a far right fanatic who collaborated with a white supremacist to ghostwrite her book.

Charles I really think Sarah was a knee jerk reaction to capture the PUMA vote when Obama won the Democratic nomination.. Remember all those angry women then? I think the GOP just wanted to plug in a woman..Any woman to capture that vote... Puma blogs just blew up last summer...
The GOP just picked a pretty woman's face...Didn't matter if she was an untested novice.. They just wanted a Woman...IMO

105 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:40pm

re: #100 Bloodnok

I'd put her in this camp, but then again I'm biased. Y'know reading her past posts about this 'n stuff.

But-but-but that would mean he'd have to debate iceweasel, as opposed to the strawweasel in his head!

106 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:50pm

re: #86 Bloodnok

Sarah would have at best, well represented rural America. Rugged cold landscape America. That needs to be done, and done well. As a man from shallow Los Angeles, watching concrete walking suits run the nation- Rural values have inestimable value as a check on urban trends. Far from perfect, yet much needed.

I'm off to a birthday party. Thanks for the fun.

107 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:45:55pm

re: #101 iceweasel

Uh, no.
The GOP right now is rotten. It needs to either reform itself, or the reasonable right and reasonable conservatives need to form a new party-- if they can't take back the GOP.

Have fun pretending I said something else, though.

you said what you said...

108 abbyadams  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:46:38pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

Ding!

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:46:53pm

re: #104 HoosierHoops

PUMAs

That was definitely a part of it.

110 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:46:57pm

re: #94 Charles

I lost respect for Sarah Palin after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric, and her anti-science statements such as the infamous "wasting money on studying fruit flies in Paris, France" comment. And then when she resigned as Alaska governor in the middle of her elected term, I lost whatever respect I had left..

I wanted to like her for a long time but the hits just kept a coming. Once she left the governorship it took a couple of days for me to reconcile, but the stories and excuses just couldn't hold.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:48:17pm

re: #104 HoosierHoops

Charles I really think Sarah was a knee jerk reaction to capture the PUMA vote when Obama won the Democratic nomination.. Remember all those angry women then? I think the GOP just wanted to plug in a woman..Any woman to capture that vote... Puma blogs just blew up last summer...
The GOP just picked a pretty woman's face...Didn't matter if she was an untested novice.. They just wanted a Woman...IMO

I remember about three days before the Palin nomination was announced, I was reading some article about Kay Bailey Hutchinson, and it suddenly hit me, "McCain's going to tap a woman. Brilliant!"

Now, if he'd been able to get Kay on board...

112 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:48:40pm

re: #104 HoosierHoops

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.

113 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:48:46pm

re: #107 brookly red

you said what you said...

Yes, which no one but you has trouble understanding.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

Sarah would have at best, well represented rural America. Rugged cold landscape America. That needs to be done, and done well. As a man from shallow Los Angeles, watching concrete walking suits run the nation- Rural values have inestimable value as a check on urban trends. Far from perfect, yet much needed.

I'm off to a birthday party. Thanks for the fun.

I'm not sure how much she understands about rural America, even. Alaska is a very odd situation.

115 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:49:42pm

OT
Guess the honeymoon is over!

Feinstein Blasts Obama On Afghanistan, Blames Troop Deaths on His Dithering

Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, made her remarks on a panel discussion on ABC News' This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning:

I don't know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you're not going to pull out.

If you don't want to take the recommendations, then you -- you -- you put your people in such jeopardy, just like the base in Nuristan. We lost eight of our men. We didn't have the ability to defend them, and now the base is closing, and effectively we're -- we're retreating away from it. And so I think the decision has to be made sooner, rather than later.

[Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

116 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.

I have to agree. I knew a good few of my fellow lefties who were less than happy with the situation, but none who were as frothy as that!

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:50:47pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.

I think a lot of women were terribly angry when Hillary lost the nomination. I was one of them, my mother was another. But I don't think a large number really peeled off to vote for McCain. Especially not after the Palin pick.

I think you're right, re astroturf.

118 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure how much she understands about rural America, even. Alaska is a very odd situation.

It's okay, she reads the newspa-

Oh, wait.

119 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:51:01pm

re: #113 iceweasel

Yes, which no one but you has trouble understanding.

oh, neither I nor anyone else has trouble understanding, you have stated your position quite clearly.

120 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:51:44pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.

I think the media hyped the whole PUMA idea, just as they propagated the idea that Hillary still had a chance to win the nomination long after it was clear she did not. They did it for ratings and because they love the idea of a close race.
I do think the McCain campaign partly was suckered in by that notion, and genuinely believed there were all these disgruntled women who would never vote for Obama-- but would vote for Palin.

121 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:52:18pm

A comedian captures Obama's speech pattern, finally.

122 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:52:24pm

re: #94 Charles

McCain picked Sarah Palin for one reason only -- religious right leaders like James Dobson and others were on the verge of telling their millions of followers not to vote for McCain, because of his moderate stance on abortion. Palin was brought on board to get Dobson to relax his opposition to McCain, and it worked.

I lost respect for Sarah Palin after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric, and her anti-science statements such as the infamous "wasting money on studying fruit flies in Paris, France" comment. And then when she resigned as Alaska governor in the middle of her elected term, I lost whatever respect I had left.

And then she chose a far right fanatic who collaborated with a white supremacist to ghostwrite her book.

One reason only? For Dobson? Well, if that is true - then maybe the "right" will learn that Dobson's approval isn't worth much. Unless losing big is what they want. Dobson should focus on helping the poor and underprivileged in the community and stay out of politics.

The book deal came much later - we didn't know about the book deal during the campaign.
and yes- Sarah didn't do well with interviews. Certainly she and McCain knew that the media were not going to make it easy. and she blew it.

123 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:52:41pm

re: #78 iceweasel

Exactly. And mockery.

I think some of the mockery went over the top. Like this photoshopped image put out by Linda Kellen Biegel, the official Democrat Party blogger for Alaska. She photoshopped a conservative radio host's face onto Trig. I can only imagine the howling from the same people who cheered on Biegel if a GOP operative pulled a sick stunt like that.

124 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

OT
Guess the honeymoon is over!

Feinstein Blasts Obama On Afghanistan, Blames Troop Deaths on His Dithering

Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, made her remarks on a panel discussion on ABC News' This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning:

I don't know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you're not going to pull out.

If you don't want to take the recommendations, then you -- you -- you put your people in such jeopardy, just like the base in Nuristan. We lost eight of our men. We didn't have the ability to defend them, and now the base is closing, and effectively we're -- we're retreating away from it. And so I think the decision has to be made sooner, rather than later.

[Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

Hmmm...

125 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:53:03pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.


Nothing exists outside the Internet!
*wink*
I watched blogs just blow up with angry women last summer...I'll bet 9 out of 10 still voted for Obama but they sure made a stir and the GOP acted upon that by not nominating the best qualified.. IMO

126 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #119 brookly red

oh, neither I nor anyone else has trouble understanding, you have stated your position quite clearly.

Yes. That the GOP is collapsing into crap and it's very bad for America and for a democracy to have only one non-insane political party to vote for. Questions?

127 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #126 iceweasel

Yes. That the GOP is collapsing into crap and it's very bad for America and for a democracy to have only one non-insane political party to vote for. Questions?

nope. you have made your preferences quite clear, i simply disagree with your idea of sanity.

128 abbyadams  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I was willing to see how McCain fared...and was interested in seeing this very outside the mainstream person. It fell apart, though, and fast. The division of "real" vs. "urban" Americans...the shallow depth of knowledge on things that she should have been prepped on...those were just starters. She did nothing to improve my opinion of her.

The thing that sealed it for me was the debate. As soon as I heard "I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record.."

I'm a teacher, and I see that all the time on exams. That means, "I have no idea what you are asking me, so I'm going to just tell you what I know, and hope you give me some credit." My BS meter went into the red, and that was it for me.

129 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:57:43pm

Palin flounce on 300 (normal bet on 200)

powerball- class of '07

130 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:58:34pm

re: #123 mich-again

I think some of the mockery went over the top. Like this photoshopped image put out by Linda Kellen Biegel, the official Democrat Party blogger for Alaska. She photoshopped a conservative radio host's face onto Trig. I can only imagine the howling from the same people who cheered on Biegel if a GOP operative pulled a sick stunt like that.

IIRC that image was post-election.

I'd fully agree, and have said here many times, that for all the justified criticism and mockery Palin got, she was also subjected to many unfair attacks and smears, and some of the worst came from women on the left.
Misogyny and sexism (as well as general asshole-dom) are not confined to one gender or one political ideology.

131 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #127 brookly red

nope. you have made your preferences quite clear, i simply disagree with your idea of sanity.

Rotating title. PLEASE.

132 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:59:25pm

This thread just doesn't have the right 'bash Palin at all costs' flavor without Cato...so time for an OT:

Akon: Beautiful.

133 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:59:41pm

re: #127 brookly red

nope. you have made your preferences quite clear, i simply disagree with your idea of sanity.

You think the GOP right now is sane?

134 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #133 iceweasel

You think the GOP right now is sane?

you like what is going on in washington?

135 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:01:28pm

Palin got savaged in the media clearly, but she gave them a bunch more material.

However it the fair criticism from this blog was nothing compared to that.

136 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:01:42pm

re: #133 iceweasel

You think the GOP right now is sane?

Percentage wise? YES
Individuals? NO

But I would say the same thing if the question was about the Dem or Libertarian parties

137 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:01:44pm

re: #126 iceweasel

Yes. That the GOP is collapsing into crap and it's very bad for America and for a democracy to have only one non-insane political party to vote for. Questions?

Extremism breeds extremism and I think the GOP's lurch to the right has pretty much mirrored the Dems lurch to the left.

138 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:01:50pm

re: #133 iceweasel

You think the GOP right now is sane?

Is this a multiple choice question?
Currently my choice for America Political Parties is:
D: None of the Above

139 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:02:34pm

re: #134 brookly red

you like what is going on in washington?

Why is this rhetorical question different from all other rhetorical questions?

//
paging Ludwig, et al...

140 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:02:49pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Is this a multiple choice question?
Currently my choice for America Political Parties is:
D: None of the Above

OJOE is going to recruit you into teh WHIGS
/

141 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:02:50pm

re: #137 mich-again

Extremism breeds extremism and I think the GOP's lurch to the right has pretty much mirrored the Dems lurch to the left.

bingo!

142 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:03:26pm

re: #133 iceweasel

You think the GOP right now is sane?

It will take some Epic Fail of Epic proportions to reach the depths the (D)'s have pulled off, but they are giving it a Yeoman's effort of late and I have a feeling they may just surpass the (D)'s by 2011.

Let's see:

(R) insanity: Bush Stimulus part II
(D) insanity: Obama Stimulus part I, and upcoming part II
(D) insanity: Cap n' Trade
(D) insanity: Nationalized Healthcare

So far the (D)'s have it on things that matter to me...

143 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:03:36pm

re: #135 BigPapa

Palin got savaged in the media clearly, but she gave them a bunch more material.

However it the fair criticism from this blog was nothing compared to that.

Tell me you are sipping Kona Coffee this Morning in Hawaii...
(even if you aren't ) Lie to me big papa

144 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:04:45pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don't think the PUMA's ever really existed outside of the internet. Looking at a PUMA website now and it's indistinguishable from any other right wing blog. I think the PUMA thing was mostly astroturf.

When I looked over at HillBuzz after election night, and they were silent- I knew something was up. People were asking questions about all the money they'd sent into that blog and the response was *crickets*. I don't go to that site anymore, and I'm embarrassed I ever did. What a sham.

145 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:04:47pm

re: #139 iceweasel

Why is this rhetorical question different from all other rhetorical questions?

//
paging Ludwig, et al...

look, you are to the left of me. ok, we disagree. get over it.

146 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:05:02pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Tell me you are sipping Kona Coffee this Morning in Hawaii...
(even if you aren't ) Lie to me big papa

Going to get it now with Mrs BP. I'll get a cup for you. BBIAW.

No lie!

147 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:05:11pm

re: #137 mich-again

Extremism breeds extremism and I think the GOP's lurch to the right has pretty much mirrored the Dems lurch to the left.

In 2001-2005. The Democrats are not lurching left as much as is currently believed. The Blue Dogs have sway in the party and they have not gotten the soshulist ajenda implemented the way a lot of people think they have. Obama's been more a left-centrist than a progressive (sound of needle being scraped across record on turntable).

148 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #137 mich-again

Extremism breeds extremism and I think the GOP's lurch to the right has pretty much mirrored the Dems lurch to the left.

You'd be wrong. I'm sorry, I know it's a talking point to call Obama radically left, but that simply isn't true.
And the GOP is descending into a pit of lunacy, pandering to nirthers, deathers, tenthers, creationists, so-cons, theocrats, the religious right, and god knows what else.

149 bluecheese  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:05:48pm

re: #65 FrogMarch

I remember that moment. There was a seismic shift in the force.
It all went to hell after that.

I remember wondering if McCain had just had a stroke at that time. Seriously.

Here is the video clip...

That eye... Something was up.

150 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:06:11pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

OJOE is going to recruit you into teh WHIGS
/

Only way I'm ever joining a party called the Whigs is if we all wear long dread locks and sing don't worry..be Happy all day...

151 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:06:11pm

re: #147 Bloodnok

In 2001-2005. The Democrats are not lurching left as much as is currently believed. The Blue Dogs have sway in the party and they have not gotten the soshulist ajenda implemented the way a lot of people think they have. Obama's been more a left-centrist than a progressive (sound of needle being scraped across record on turntable).

Uhoh. Now you've done it!
//

152 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:06:40pm

News note: Rush Limbaugh interested in buying the NFL St Louis Rams. But in a move I never recall seeing before, the the head of the NFL Players Union is urging players around the league to oppose Limbaugh becoming an owner.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

I'm not a dittohead, but this strikes me as a way for Union head DeMaurice Smith to call Rush a racist without having the balls to just come out and say it. Read the story and see if you think Smith is being a weasel with his quotes.

153 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:07:07pm

re: #137 mich-again

Extremism breeds extremism and I think the GOP's lurch to the right has pretty much mirrored the Dems lurch to the left.

Can't agree. In fact, I see the Democratic Party as going substantially more toward the center, especially in the policies Obama has instituted since his election. One of the big reasons Obama was elected at all is because his campaign was very much not a radical campaign -- he was actually very centrist. And he was helped enormously by the DNC's deliberate push to marginalize the extremists like ANSWER and Code Pink.

I see the GOP moving much farther to the right than the Dems ever moved to the left, because there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

154 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #148 iceweasel

You'd be wrong. I'm sorry, I know it's a talking point to call Obama radically left, but that simply isn't true.
And the GOP is descending into a pit of lunacy, pandering to nirthers, deathers, tenthers, creationists, so-cons, theocrats, the religious right, and god knows what else.

You don't win most liberal senator of 2007 for nothing. If the shoe fits. There is no 'talking point' here.

155 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:08:28pm

re: #151 iceweasel

Uhoh. Now you've done it!
//

Yes, I swear by my wingnut word of the day calendar, but mine has been stuck on the word "progressive" every day for the past 9 months. I wonder if the rest of the people who bought this item is having the same problem?

156 Liberally Conservative  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:08:40pm

re: #154 Oh no...Sand People!

You don't win most liberal senator of 2007 for nothing. If the shoe fits. There is no 'talking point' here.

National Journal is a centrist and unbiased publication that definitely didn't give the award to John Kerry in 2004. Also, Obama is clearly more leftist than Bernie Sanders, the socialist from Vermont.

157 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:09:35pm

re: #134 brookly red

you like what is going on in washington?

Never.
Not when Boone was fighting in the aises.
Not when Washington had his "laundry lady" on the dole.
Not when McCarthy had commies on the brain.
Not when Reagan was busting unions.
Not when Carter had good prices on peanuts.
Not when Clinton had remarkable land and stock deals.
Not when Bush let halliburton be top bid.
Not when Union thugs "oversaw" healthcare debates".
Not when "teaparties" protested taxes that had not been enacted yet.
never

158 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #148 iceweasel

You'd be wrong. I'm sorry, I know it's a talking point to call Obama radically left, but that simply isn't true.

Strawman argument there. I never said Obama, and I never said radically left either. You answered a charge I never made. Go back to the Clinton administration and compare the DNC agenda then and now. I'd say its shifted leftward since then.

159 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:10:02pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

You're not alone. A lot of people were duped.

160 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #145 brookly red

look, you are to the left of me. ok, we disagree. get over it.

161 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:11:55pm

re: #153 Charles

You mean... thank you Howard Dean? LOL.

Ruh roh... now you've done it!

162 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #152 _RememberTonyC

I could easily see that a lot of black players would not want to play for his team.

163 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:12:39pm

Please. I'd love to see a presidential campaign where there was not ' tension ' between the staffers of the two parties. They may not want to admit it, but usually, they do... just not this quickly... but after all, there are books to be sold, and the public has a short attention span.
Kennedy and his people despised LBJ, and it was no secret that Bush I was forced on Reagan... Gore and Clinton could hardly stand each other, and Tipper and Hillary didn't even speak.
It's called politics.

164 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:12:56pm

re: #157 swamprat

Never.
Not when Boone was fighting in the aises.
Not when Washington had his "laundry lady" on the dole.
Not when McCarthy had commies on the brain.
Not when Reagan was busting unions.
Not when Carter had good prices on peanuts.
Not when Clinton had remarkable land and stock deals.
Not when Bush let halliburton be top bid.
Not when Union thugs "oversaw" healthcare debates".
Not when "teaparties" protested taxes that had not been enacted yet.
never

cool, but the time to protest taxes IS before they are enacted, but yes, spot on.

165 abbyadams  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #154 Oh no...Sand People!

I think that you are confusing the senator with the president. I know it's popular to toss that around, but I agree with Charles, iceweasel, et al...he's substantially more center than he was as a senator.

166 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #163 tradewind

Please. I'd love to see a presidential campaign where there was not ' tension ' between the staffers of the two parties. They may not want to admit it, but usually, they do... just not this quickly... but after all, there are books to be sold, and the public has a short attention span.
Kennedy and his people despised LBJ, and it was no secret that Bush I was forced on Reagan... Gore and Clinton could hardly stand each other, and Tipper and Hillary didn't even speak.
It's called politics.

Agreed. It's a poor reflexion on McCain that he couldn't manage his staff. This stuff is common and other candidates manage to run a smooth campaign.

167 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:14:24pm

re: #153 Charles

I largely agree. (I might quibble on who moved farther where.)
The republicans lost the election(s) and are now trying to catch up by emulating the insanity and pandering they saw on the left.
Conversely, the left has put its tinfoil hat back in the closet and is now seen frequently wearing a tie.

168 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:14:33pm

re: #153 Charles

there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

Agreed, but it could be stated that the CODE PINKS and MoveOns seized control of the Dems right after their loss in the 04 Pres election

History shows us it is not unusual for the losing party to be "leaderless' for up to two years after losing the national election. Like Obama siezed 'control" from the ANSWERS and Code Pinks leading up to November 2008, I expect whoever emerges on the Repub side to do likewise come November 2012

169 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #153 Charles

In fact, I see the Democratic Party as going substantially more toward the center, especially in the policies Obama has instituted since his election.

Obama the President is far more of a centrist than Obama the candidate was. A lot of the Bush policies he strongly opposed back when the object was to rally the base for the primaries are still in place.

170 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:16:46pm

re: #169 mich-again

Obama the President is far more of a centrist than Obama the candidate was. A lot of the Bush policies he strongly opposed back when the object was to rally the base for the primaries are still in place.

this health care thing is a deal breaker for me, not centrist.

171 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:17:11pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

Agreed, but it could be stated that the CODE PINKS and MoveOns seized control of the Dems right after their loss in the 04 Pres election

History shows us it is not unusual for the losing party to be "leaderless' for up to two years after losing the national election. Like Obama siezed 'control" from the ANSWERS and Code Pinks leading up to November 2008, I expect whoever emerges on the Repub side to do likewise come November 2012

Code Pink was never a force in the Democratic Party. They made for good copy, but in the end they held smallish gatherings and interrupted a few important events with shrieking outbursts. That's about it.

172 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:17:17pm

re: #169 mich-again

Interesting take.

173 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:18:36pm

re: #165 abbyadams

I think that you are confusing the senator with the president. I know it's popular to toss that around, but I agree with Charles, iceweasel, et al...he's substantially more center than he was as a senator.

He's got 3 + more years to prove you or me right. We shall see, but my money is that Rahm and Axelrod are going to push as hard as they can to get what Rahm and Axelrod want.

174 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:18:54pm

re: #171 Bloodnok

Code Pink was never a force in the Democratic Party. They made for good copy, but in the end they held smallish gatherings and interrupted a few important events with shrieking outbursts. That's about it.

Similar to many 'right wing' orgs

175 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:19:02pm

re: #158 mich-again

re: #156 Liberally Conservative

Just see 153, please, and try to think about it. Especially this:

I see the GOP moving much farther to the right than the Dems ever moved to the left, because there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

The opposite happened in the Democratic Party. They moved to the center to fill their leadership vacuum post 2004 (and later) and pushed all the Code Pink types away. They ran Obama not because he was a 'leftist' or 'socialist', but because he is a guy who always takes the safest option, always steers towards the middle.

The GOP meanwhile is in disarray. They ran their own 'centrist' candidate against Obama-- but then panicked and picked Palin as the campaign collapsed around them. Now they don't know what the hell to do. The thinking (such as it is) seems to be "we ran a centrist Repub and that didn't work -- let's go back to the dogwhistle".

It's a losing strategy. They want to timetravel back to the 80's and Reagan and the coalition built then by allying with the religious right and creating the so-cons (or giving them power). But the world has changed, and they're reaping the whirlwind of the alliances they encouraged and cultivated then, with no intention of ever giving those people a real policy say (operation rescue, dobson, etc.) Those groups are back like zombies and they've eaten the brain of the GOP.

176 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:19:52pm

re: #169 mich-again

Obama the President is far more of a centrist than Obama the candidate was. A lot of the Bush policies he strongly opposed back when the object was to rally the base for the primaries are still in place.

Precisely ... and IIRC, he was moving toward the center as his campaign progressed.

177 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:20:19pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

Check this week's Time magazine, and you'll see that Alan ' kill them quickly' Grayson's popularity among dems has skyrocketed since he proved himself to be totally insane. Neither party has a patent on teh crazy, despite all reports to the contrary.

178 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:20:55pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

Similar to many 'right wing' orgs

They weren't armed, that I know of.

179 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #169 mich-again

Obama the President is far more of a centrist than Obama the candidate was. A lot of the Bush policies he strongly opposed back when the object was to rally the base for the primaries are still in place.

True, but that's extremely typical of Presidents in general. The normal progression is: appeal to the extremes in the primaries; appeal to your party's core during the general election; govern from a more centrist position once elected, in order to broaden your base of support. This pattern has been followed by every President I can remember, and certainly isn't unique to the current officeholder.

180 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #153 Charles

I see the GOP moving much farther to the right than the Dems ever moved to the left, because there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

I agree with the "leadership vacuum in the GOP" observation completely. Pick a sign for the front door.. Gone Fishing. Out to lunch. For Sale or Lease.

181 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #169 mich-again

Obama the President is far more of a centrist than Obama the candidate was. A lot of the Bush policies he strongly opposed back when the object was to rally the base for the primaries are still in place.

My favorite T-shirt at the (late?) ProtestWarrior website:

"Socialists Against the Patriot Act: 'Trust us, when we are in power you don't want a 'Patriot Act''."

182 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:22:44pm

re: #153 Charles

I don't disagree with the right's shift to the right (in some segments). However, I think Obama campaigned as a moderate and has shifted to the left. His words remain crafted and tempered, but the big-government, big spending, big deficit, tax hike policies are standard progressive-left goals. In fact, the progressive caucus has string-pulling power and congress has definitely shifted more openly left.
Code pink has piped down because, for them, it was all about the industry of Bush-hate. IMHO.

183 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:23:01pm

re: #178 Bloodnok

They weren't LEGALLY armed, that I know of.

ftfy

(not imlying they were ILLegally armed, just pointing out that even though the people that show up anywhere near a Presidential event armed are MORONS to the highest degree, non that I know of were carrying unlawfully)

184 mj  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:23:48pm

Very interesting article in today's WaPo.
Remember that video of schoolchildren reciting a Barack Obama song/rap at Bernice Young elementary school in June? Here's some background information as well as Michelle Malkin's role:

"Ms. Carney-Nunes," began the e-mail from Michelle Malkin, a best-selling and often inflammatory conservative writer with a heavily trafficked Web site. "I understand that you uploaded the video of schoolchildren reciting a Barack Obama song/rap at Bernice Young elementary school in June. I have a few quick questions. Did you help write the song/rap and teach it to the children? Are you an educator/guest lecturer at the school? Did you teach about your book, 'I am Barack Obama' at the school? Your bio says you are a schoolmate of Obama. How well-acquainted are you with the president?"

Carney-Nunes looked at the time stamp -- 6:47 a.m. -- and closed the file without replying. She knew Malkin had driven criticism of President Obama's back-to-school speech, streamed nationwide, as an attempt to indoctrinate students. Now Malkin was asking about a YouTube video of New Jersey public school children singing and enthusiastically chanting about Obama from a Black History Month presentation...

By nightfall, Carney-Nunes's name was playing on Fox News and voice mails on her home phone and cellphone were clogged with the furious voices of strangers. The e-mails kept pouring in, by the hundreds, crammed with words spam filters try to catch: She was a "nappy-headed" traitor; she would lose her job and go to jail; she was Leni Riefenstahl, the filmmaker who glorified Hitler...

However, she had nothing to do with the video.

Read the rest of the article. Quite good:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

185 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:23:50pm

And with that I must bid an 'adieu'.

later all.

186 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:24:56pm

re: #176 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It has always been thus for the two major parties... you have to run towards your base to get the nomination, and then scurry towards the center for the general election.

187 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:26:47pm

re: #181 Oh no...Sand People!

My favorite T-shirt at the (late?) ProtestWarrior website:

"Socialists Against the Patriot Act: 'Trust us, when we are in power you don't want a 'Patriot Act''."

Thats why I supported sunset provisions on some of the more powerful measures of the PATRIOT Act. With something as wide ranging, why not have a mandatory review every few years, and re-evaluate what works and what doesn't, and update the law to reflect current tactics and best practises.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:26:59pm

re: #128 abbyadams

I was willing to see how McCain fared...and was interested in seeing this very outside the mainstream person. It fell apart, though, and fast. The division of "real" vs. "urban" Americans...the shallow depth of knowledge on things that she should have been prepped on...those were just starters. She did nothing to improve my opinion of her.

The thing that sealed it for me was the debate. As soon as I heard "I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record.."

I'm a teacher, and I see that all the time on exams. That means, "I have no idea what you are asking me, so I'm going to just tell you what I know, and hope you give me some credit." My BS meter went into the red, and that was it for me.

What do you teach? I teach freshman English at a Catholic high school.

189 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:27:07pm

re: #186 tradewind

It has always been thus for the two major parties... you have to run towards your base to get the nomination, and then scurry towards the center for the general election.

yup that's for sure. it's the part after the election that bothers me.

190 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:27:09pm

re: #175 iceweasel

They ran Obama not because he was a 'leftist' or 'socialist', but because he is a guy who always takes the safest option, always steers towards the middle.

Always steers toward the middle? Now sure, but back when he was a Senator in 2007 and was beginning his run for the nomination he was not thought of as a centrist in the Democratic Party.

191 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:27:13pm

re: #183 sattv4u2

ftfy

(not imlying they were ILLegally armed, just pointing out that even though the people that show up anywhere near a Presidential event armed are MORONS to the highest degree, non that I know of were carrying unlawfully)

Your desire to automatically respond with every single criticism of 'the right' with 'the left did it too' is getting worse and entering delusional territory. Find me some incidents involving elected Dem officials encouraging or excusing antiwar protestors bringing weapons to Bush protests, please.

This is what elected republicans have done about townhalls. We can dislike Code Pink, we can criticise Bush hatred, but it shouldn't serve as an excuse for what's been happening now, or as a reason to ignore it.

192 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:27:15pm

Michelle Malkin quote of the day:

"God save us from bipartisanship."

193 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:28:06pm

re: #182 FrogMarch

Major fix needed:

I don't disagree THAT THE right HAS shifted to the right (in some segments).

(and yes - I do disagree with that shift.)

Need food.

194 The Curmudgeon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:29:04pm

Palin really does have potential, but it'll take years for that to develop. She's gotta toil in the vineyards. Maybe some heavy-duty campaigning for the next GOP ticket, which shouldn't include her as a candidate. Then maybe a cabinet position -- after a year or so as an under-secretary. Then maybe a Senate race. If she takes her time and actually grows -- who knows? She could be our Margaret Thatcher ten years from now. (Of course, she's gotta dump the creationism, but she can do it.)

195 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:29:29pm

re: #190 mich-again

Always steers toward the middle? Now sure, but back when he was a Senator in 2007 and was beginning his run for the nomination he was not thought of as a centrist in the Democratic Party.

He's governed as a centrist, and this was predictable from the start. He also ran as a centrist. His votes on FISA should have alerted everyone that he'd be very like Bush in certain respects as well.

196 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:30:03pm

re: #191 iceweasel

Your desire to automatically respond with every single criticism of 'the right' with 'the left did it too' is getting worse and entering delusional territory. Find me some incidents involving elected Dem officials encouraging or excusing antiwar protestors bringing weapons to Bush protests, please.

But they brought signs. Don't forget the signs!

197 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:30:08pm

re: #191 iceweasel

Your desire to automatically respond with every single criticism of 'the right' with 'the left did it too' is getting worse and entering delusional territory. Find me some incidents involving elected Dem officials encouraging or excusing antiwar protestors bringing weapons to Bush protests, please.

This is what elected republicans have done about townhalls. We can dislike Code Pink, we can criticise Bush hatred, but it shouldn't serve as an excuse for what's been happening now, or as a reason to ignore it.

why do most of your comments start by insulting the person that you are responding to? just curious...

198 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:30:41pm

re: #192 Charles

Michelle Malkin quote of the day:

"God save us from bipartisanship."

That figures. Bipartisanship is submission! Total war! Scorched earth!

/(not really)

199 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:31:11pm

re: #197 brookly red

why do most of your comments start by insulting the person that you are responding to? just curious...

It was an accurate description.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #171 Bloodnok

Code Pink was never a force in the Democratic Party. They made for good copy, but in the end they held smallish gatherings and interrupted a few important events with shrieking outbursts. That's about it.

They also had zilch influence. They would hang out and picket at Feinstein's and Pelosi's houses. The response? None.

201 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:32:03pm

re: #198 iceweasel

That figures. Bipartisanship is submission! Total war! Scorched earth!

/(not really)

Sad part about her comment is that she should be happy with the bipartisanship that IS happening
(blue dog) Dems and Repubs together against certian of the admins policies

202 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #175 iceweasel

The opposite happened in the Democratic Party. They moved to the center to fill their leadership vacuum post 2004 (and later) and pushed all the Code Pink types away. They ran Obama not because he was a 'leftist' or 'socialist', but because he is a guy who always takes the safest option, always steers towards the middle.

Wasn't Hilary the one who was beng touted at the time of the nomination as being closer to the centre than Obama?

203 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:32:40pm

re: #195 iceweasel

He's governed as a centrist, and this was predictable from the start. He also ran as a centrist. His votes on FISA should have alerted everyone that he'd be very like Bush in certain respects as well.

Yes! His main job is to protect us and he is following a successful President on that score.

204 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:33:04pm

re: #199 iceweasel

It was an accurate description.

is that like "I won" ?

205 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:33:26pm

re: #197 brookly red

why do most of your comments start by insulting the person that you are responding to? just curious...

It's n/p ,,, I'm old and crusty and for the most part immune!

But thanks

206 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:33:30pm

Anyone who believes that Obama is actually a centrist might want to reconsider after he nominates Janet Napolitano to fill the next vacancy on the SCOTUS.

207 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:34:26pm

re: #187 McSpiff

Thats why I supported sunset provisions on some of the more powerful measures of the PATRIOT Act. With something as wide ranging, why not have a mandatory review every few years, and re-evaluate what works and what doesn't, and update the law to reflect current tactics and best practises.

Sounds like a good plan for nationalized health care.

208 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:34:42pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I could easily see that a lot of black players would not want to play for his team.

players play for money ...

209 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:34:48pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

It's n/p ,,, I'm old and crusty and for the most part immune!

But thanks

ok, but it is just a pattern i noticed...

210 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #191 iceweasel

Your desire to automatically respond with every single criticism of 'the right' with 'the left did it too'

I don't beleive I did. The commentor (correctly) stated that CODE PINK (et al) did NOt show up with guns. I commented (correctly) that the gumns were 'legal' (although the people were MORONS)

what is it you say about reading comprehension?

211 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:36:47pm

re: #204 brookly red

is that like "I won" ?

Your earlier 'question':

why do most of your comments start by insulting the person that you are responding to? just curious..

Why are your comments to me about pretending to faint and making snide remarks, rather than engaging with the points made? Just curious.

212 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:37:13pm

re: #208 _RememberTonyC

Marge Schott got away with it for a long time so maybe Rush can do it too.

213 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:37:57pm

re: #207 SixDegrees

Sounds like a good plan for nationalized health care.

You know, why not just slap it on every bill that costs more than $x billion?

214 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:38:15pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

there's a leadership vacuum in the GOP, and the extremists and religious right fanatics have moved in and seized control.

Agreed, but it could be stated that the CODE PINKS and MoveOns seized control of the Dems right after their loss in the 04 Pres election

History shows us it is not unusual for the losing party to be "leaderless' for up to two years after losing the national election. Like Obama siezed 'control" from the ANSWERS and Code Pinks leading up to November 2008, I expect whoever emerges on the Repub side to do likewise come November 2012

i don't know why anyone would downding this comment. It is perfectly legitimate, dispassionate analysis.

215 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Marge Schott got away with it for a long time so maybe Rush can do it too.

Thats only because nobody wanted Shottzie (sp?) to hump their leg!

//

216 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:39:33pm

re: #206 tradewind

Anyone who believes that Obama is actually a centrist might want to reconsider after he nominates Janet Napolitano to fill the next vacancy on the SCOTUS.

She's no Harriet Miers...

/

217 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:39:33pm

re: #214 _RememberTonyC

i don't know why anyone would downding this comment. It is perfectly legitimate, dispassionate analysis.

It also happens to be incorrect.

218 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #214 _RememberTonyC

Thansk

Knee jerk

SATTV4U2 ,,, must downding!

//

219 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:40:09pm

re: #171 Bloodnok

MoveOn, on the other hand... ' We-bought-you-we-own-you '
The Soros of all Democrat wisdom, according to their members.

220 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:40:28pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Marge Schott got away with it for a long time so maybe Rush can do it too.


if rush owns a team, and he pays his players well, the talent will flock to his team. and if a union head doesn't think that is OK, the union head represents something other than the best interests of the union members.

221 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:40:36pm

re: #195 iceweasel

He's governed as a centrist, and this was predictable from the start. He also ran as a centrist. His votes on FISA should have alerted everyone that he'd be very like Bush in certain respects as well.

Can you clarify which of his positions on FISA? I'm Kind Of Relieved Obama Flopped On FISA

222 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #210 sattv4u2

Your desire to automatically respond with every single criticism of 'the right' with 'the left did it too'

I don't beleive I did. The commentor (correctly) stated that CODE PINK (et al) did NOt show up with guns. I commented (correctly) that the gumns were 'legal' (although the people were MORONS)

what is it you say about reading comprehension?

You consistently respond to every criticism of the right with some version of 'the left did it too'.
You alleged (without evidence) that maybe some people were turning up at Code Pink protests with weapons-- or that you 'didn't know' if they had. A clear instance of exactly this.

Now. Would you like to have a civil discussion, about reasonable things, or would you prefer to try to get a flamewar going, like you did on the last thread? My personal plan is to refuse to engage with you, unless you care to skip straight to the part where you apologise again.

223 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:40:55pm

re: #213 McSpiff

You know, why not just slap it on every bill that costs more than $x billion?

Works for me. Try it on for size for a couple of years, and continue to revisit and reevaluate.

224 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:41:10pm

re: #217 Bloodnok

It also happens to be incorrect.

sez you ... sattv has a different opinion and his point is legit.

225 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:41:18pm

re: #216 bratwurst

Just deliver us from her rulings on terrorists. In her eyes, they're just bad little boys making poor choices.
///

226 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:42:31pm

re: #224 _RememberTonyC

sez you ... sattv has a different opinion and his point is legit.

=WIN

227 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:42:53pm

re: #221 mich-again

Can you clarify which of his positions on FISA? I'm Kind Of Relieved Obama Flopped On FISA

I suggest you read the article you yourself linked.

228 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:43:29pm

re: #211 iceweasel

Why are your comments to me about pretending to faint and making snide remarks, rather than engaging with the points made? Just curious.

what is a faint about pointing out that you insult other posters because they disagree with you? where is the pretending that you accuse me of? you are rude, i called you on it & you dismissed it as being accurate. there is no pretending here. you are entitled to your opinion, it is your tone i object to. straight forward enough?

229 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #214 _RememberTonyC

i don't know why anyone would downding this comment. It is perfectly legitimate, dispassionate analysis.

It's just one of those dings.

230 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:43:48pm

re: #222 iceweasel

You alleged (without evidence) that maybe some people were turning up at Code Pink protests with weapons

ummm,, no ,, I didn't

Again,, I stated those that showed up WITH guns (the poster was talking about demonstartors at the Obama events, as was I) showe up with registered legal weapons, although thos that did were MORONS

231 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #225 tradewind

Just deliver us from her rulings on terrorists. In her eyes, they're just bad little boys making poor choices.
///

If he does nominate her, you will be well within your rights to get upset. In the meantime, the right should be praying for the hearty health of Justice Stevens and Justice Ginsburg.

232 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:44:33pm

re: #203 debutaunt

Yes! His main job is to protect us


Let's just hope he remembers that and doesn't fall for the attempt by the Euros to substitute ' remake America's image abroad '.

233 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:44:52pm

Here we go AGAIN.

234 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:45:05pm

re: #228 brookly red

what is a faint about pointing out that you insult other posters because they disagree with you? where is the pretending that you accuse me of? you are rude, i called you on it & you dismissed it as being accurate. there is no pretending here. you are entitled to your opinion, it is your tone i object to. straight forward enough?

You're welcome to faint and clutch your pearls because I pointed out that someone's ideological bias and kneejerk condemnation of the left was entering delusion territory.
Or you could try to make an argument, instead of complaining about 'tone'.

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:45:22pm

re: #224 _RememberTonyC

sez you ... sattv has a different opinion and his point is legit.

Preciate it, but let it go.

236 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #230 sattv4u2

You alleged (without evidence) that maybe some people were turning up at Code Pink protests with weapons

ummm,, no ,, I didn't

Again,, I stated those that showed up WITH guns (the poster was talking about demonstartors at the Obama events, as was I) showe up with registered legal weapons, although thos that did were MORONS

Well, that I'll upding you for then. :)

237 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:45:37pm

re: #226 Bloodnok

=WIN

are you kidding me?

238 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:46:02pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

Agreed, but it could be stated that the CODE PINKS and MoveOns seized control of the Dems right after their loss in the 04 Pres election

You could state that, sure. But it's not correct.

239 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #229 Spare O'Lake

It's just one of those dings.

I love song lyrics that include the word 'gossamer'.

240 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:46:45pm

re: #231 bratwurst

If he does nominate her, you will be well within your rights to get upset. In the meantime, the right should be praying for the hearty health of Justice Stevens and Justice Ginsburg.

I read there are rumours JPS is retiring at the end of this term.

241 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:46:57pm

re: #236 iceweasel

Well, that I'll upding you for then. :)

In it's context, its the exact same thing I posted that you critisized.

242 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I suggest you read the article you yourself linked.

And the comments..

I really feel sad that Obama has gotten caught up in this "centrist" bullshit. It is very clear from Obama's voting record in the Illinois and U.S. Senate that he is one of the most Progressive nominees, ideologically, to get the nomination and have a chance in over a generation, but it is also clear that he has been advised to not emphasize this in the General, so as to appeal to Independents and potential Obamacans. I think the best course of action we can do as a movement is to continue to pressure him as much as we can, and hopefully he won't continue to do this to such a magnificent extent once in office. No guarantees though, so we simply have to work our asses off to also create as Progressive a congress as possible.
243 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:48:22pm

re: #242 mich-again

Obama is not governing as anything but a centrist, slightly left. This is fact.

244 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #234 iceweasel

You're welcome to faint and clutch your pearls because I pointed out that someone's ideological bias and kneejerk condemnation of the left was entering delusion territory.
Or you could try to make an argument, instead of complaining about 'tone'.

why would i do that when it is your tone i object too... and why do you start every response by accusing someone of something, if you say delusional i assume you are a medical professional and qualified to make that call. aren't you?

245 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #240 iceweasel

I read there are rumours JPS is retiring at the end of this term.

I remembered that just after I posted...hasn't hired clerks for after this term yet, etc. He will be 90 in April...no big shock.

246 abbyadams  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:50:58pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

I teach in the Biological Science department at a major, urban university, but I live in a rural area. I've also taught high school and middle school environmental science. (I have no PhD.)

247 Randall Gross  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:51:54pm

The last big push of the "hard left" was the Answer/UFPJ Immigrant Marches in 2006 - right after those the backlash was highly evident so the left backed off and somewhat muzzled that crowd. The funding for UFPJ, Answer, and WCW dried up somewhat after that.

248 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #242 mich-again

Since POTUS himself asked us not to judge him by his words ( they don't mean anything?) or by what others say, but by the people he chooses to put in place around him, I suggest we take him at his word...
Wait. ... with a few exceptions, we're totally screwed.
///

249 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:53:21pm

re: #243 iceweasel

You're entitled to your own opinions... not your own set of facts.
/that's a fact/

250 Randall Gross  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:53:37pm

For the record I also recall that Dem congress critters participated in those marches, and spoke at them.

251 mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:53:58pm

re: #243 iceweasel

Obama is not governing as anything but a centrist, slightly left. This is fact.

I agree for the most part that is how he is governing. I'm not so sure the Democratic base is right there with him. Its easier to keep the loons in check when your party is in power. Look at the 8 years of GWB. The same crazy people on the right now were here back then but the GOP kept the craziness in check at least a bit. Not now. Those days are over.

252 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:54:15pm

re: #244 brookly red

why would i do that when it is your tone i object too... and why do you start every response by accusing someone of something, if you say delusional i assume you are a medical professional and qualified to make that call. aren't you?

Did you have anything to contribute other than crying over someone's tone, and pretending that I'm using the word 'delusional' in a clinical sense?

I'll be responding to you again when you have anything of substance. Not going to engage further with the pitiful insults of the butthurt.

253 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #249 tradewind

You're entitled to your own opinions... not your own set of facts.
/that's a fact/

/delusional LOL!

254 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #251 mich-again

I agree for the most part that is how he is governing. I'm not so sure the Democratic base is right there with him. Its easier to keep the loons in check when your party is in power. Look at the 8 years of GWB. The same crazy people on the right now were here back then but the GOP kept the craziness in check at least a bit. Not now. Those days are over.

It's a popular misconception of the right that the Democratic base is Code Pink or the 'loony left'. Not so. It's not even the progressives.
FWIW, I didn't consider the theocrats to be the base of the GOP...but that and the so-cons are all they have left, and they're doubling down on it. Unfortunately.

255 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:56:47pm

re: #249 tradewind

You're entitled to your own opinions... not your own set of facts.
/that's a fact/

It is a fact that Obama has governed as someone barely to the left of centre.

256 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:56:55pm

To provide some perspective on where obama falls (left - centre -right) here's a statement from Canada's Conservative Party, the mainstream right of centre party that currently forms Government. Note that the Liberal Party referenced generally falls between centre and left.

Canadians value their publicly-funded, universally-accessible health care system. Unfortunately, the previous Liberal government cut health care funding while patient wait times almost doubled. Conservatives have made historic increases in health funding and patient wait times are finally getting shorter.

257 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:57:47pm

re: #252 iceweasel

Did you have anything to contribute other than crying over someone's tone, and pretending that I'm using the word 'delusional' in a clinical sense?

oh so I am crying now... & pretending too. can you actually make a statement without insulting someone or is that beyond you?

258 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:59:14pm

oh & now the down dinning starts? hahahah

259 tradewind  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:59:31pm

re: #253 brookly red

Sure, I'll cop to an occasional visit to the delusional state, but so far haven't applied for residency...
:)

260 Bloodnok  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #257 brookly red


This is getting ridiculous. Will you just drop it?

261 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #257 brookly red

pretending too. can you actually make a statement without insulting someone or is that beyond you?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Physician, heal thyself.

262 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 1:59:59pm

re: #259 tradewind

LOL

263 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:01:23pm

re: #260 Bloodnok

This is getting ridiculous. Will you just drop it?

sure, no problem.

264 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:02:14pm

re: #262 brookly red

LOL

While I do think you raise an excellent point in your first paragraph, I lost you in the second.

/If you cant get more than one word to a post, maybe its time to move on?

265 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:02:16pm

re: #260 Bloodnok

This is getting ridiculous. Will you just drop it?

No, the troll has achieved its objective of driving away all rational discussion and is now happily posting in its native element, such elucidating and scintillating political commentary as "hahaha" and "LOL".

*golfclap*

266 Randall Gross  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:03:32pm

I suspect if you ask a Socon they are going to say that Obama's hard-left to far left, if you ask a Rino/Neocon/Moderate Republican they are probably going to say that Obama is Socalist/Euro Left to left center (as opposed to Center left - remember the leading word is were you stand, the trailer is the way you lean. So McCain would be Center Right, and Thompson would be Right-Center)

267 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #260 Bloodnok

This is getting ridiculous. Will you just drop it?

Catfight.

268 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:05:28pm

Unless this sniping back and forth stops now, I'm going to start handing out timeouts.

269 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:06:05pm

It's really rude to people who don't care about the personalities involved, to fill up LGF's comments with this kind of stuff.

Knock it off.

270 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:06:52pm

re: #265 iceweasel

No, the troll has achieved its objective of driving away all rational discussion and is now happily posting in its native element, such elucidating and scintillating political commentary as "hahaha" and "LOL".

*golfclap*

troll? it's? I was happy to give you the last word but the insults continue...

271 Randall Gross  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:07:14pm

re: #268 Charles

Unless this sniping back and forth stops now, I'm going to start handing out timeouts.

...but I just got back~ ?! :)

272 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:07:37pm

re: #269 Charles

It's really rude to people who don't care about the personalities involved, to fill up LGF's comments with this kind of stuff.

Knock it off.

cool, outta here.

273 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:08:49pm

re: #254 iceweasel

It's a popular misconception of the right that the Democratic base is Code Pink or the 'loony left'. Not so. It's not even the progressives.
FWIW

From Wiki, for what its worth..

Social liberals, also referred to as progressives or modern liberals, constitute roughly half of the Democratic voter base. Liberals thereby form the largest united typological demographic within the Democratic base.

I'd probably describe the base of the Democrat party to be an intermingled mix of Social liberals, Union members, African Americans, and Academia. Lots of other groups in the coalition, but those are the biggest ones.

274 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:11:14pm

re: #272 brookly red

Is that a flounce?

275 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #272 brookly red

"Adious"
No. Just "A"dious

276 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:12:47pm

re: #274 Sharmuta

Is that a flounce?

none such luck

277 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:13:01pm

We have come pretty far in a short period of time re: Sarah Palin.
Regarding her RNC speech, I must heartily admit, I am STILL fired up that SOMEONE was willing to attack the cess-hole that is DC. After all, she did actually have a bit of a track record of clearing out the cess-hole in Alaska (even in her own party!!).
Is there anybody ELSE out there that can actually "sneak" into DC and start engaging the much needed enema bags???

278 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:13:58pm

OT: Just found this article from the WaPo about Malkin, I didn't realise how bad the harassment of the woman who uploaded that "Obama song" video had been:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Late last month, Charisse Carney-Nunes fired up the computer at her home in Northeast Washington to check her e-mail. Her brain already was on morning drive time: breakfast for the kids, her day's work at a government agency. She glanced down at her screen, then froze.

"Ms. Carney-Nunes," began the e-mail from Michelle Malkin, a best-selling and often inflammatory conservative writer with a heavily trafficked Web site. "I understand that you uploaded the video of schoolchildren reciting a Barack Obama song/rap at Bernice Young elementary school in June. I have a few quick questions. Did you help write the song/rap and teach it to the children? Are you an educator/guest lecturer at the school? Did you teach about your book, 'I am Barack Obama' at the school? Your bio says you are a schoolmate of Obama. How well-acquainted are you with the president?"

Carney-Nunes looked at the time stamp -- 6:47 a.m. -- and closed the file without replying. She knew Malkin had driven criticism of President Obama's back-to-school speech, streamed nationwide, as an attempt to indoctrinate students. Now Malkin was asking about a YouTube video of New Jersey public school children singing and enthusiastically chanting about Obama from a Black History Month presentation.

By nightfall, Carney-Nunes's name was playing on Fox News and voice mails on her home phone and cellphone were clogged with the furious voices of strangers. The e-mails kept pouring in, by the hundreds, crammed with words spam filters try to catch: She was a "nappy-headed" traitor; she would lose her job and go to jail; she was Leni Riefenstahl, the filmmaker who glorified Hitler.

279 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:15:05pm

re: #238 Charles

You could state that, sure. But it's not correct.

I respectfully disagree. In fact, back in February there was news that they were coming back to avenge the losses at the hands of the centrist Dems, recre=uiting more leftist candiadtes

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

280 Cato the Elder  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:15:35pm

Palin thread?

Hmm.

I could say something. But folks might start to wonder.

281 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #278 iceweasel

Oh heck, this is exactly what the next thread is about! ha.

282 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:16:28pm

Predict sattv4u and brooklyn red are not long for this world.

283 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #282 swamprat

Predict sattv4u and brooklyn red are not long for this world.

You been talking to my doctor? Seen my x-rays?

What aren't you telling me, man!

284 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:21:38pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

You been talking to my doctor? Seen my x-rays?

What aren't you telling me, man!

just trying to sell insurance...

285 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #284 brookly red

just trying to sell insurance...

so there IS a death panel!!!

//

286 Liberally Conservative  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:24:41pm

re: #277 Taqyia2Me

We have come pretty far in a short period of time re: Sarah Palin.
Regarding her RNC speech, I must heartily admit, I am STILL fired up that SOMEONE was willing to attack the cess-hole that is DC. After all, she did actually have a bit of a track record of clearing out the cess-hole in Alaska (even in her own party!!).
Is there anybody ELSE out there that can actually "sneak" into DC and start engaging the much needed enema bags???

I think "clearing out the cess-hole" of DC is not something that Sarah Palin (or any single politician, for that matter) can do. The fact is that providing services for 300 million people is going to require a sizable bureaucracy, and the waste that comes with it. And Sarah Palin isn't going to be the swordmistress that takes care of that Gordian Knot.

What you can do is reduce funding or eliminate unnecessary programs, but that is as hard as raising taxes.

287 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:26:03pm

re: #283 sattv4u2
Running grudges and long term posting privileges are often mutually exclusive. Seen it before. Been there in fact. Not banned, but I have gotten "excited".

288 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:28:36pm

re: #287 swamprat

Running grudges and long term posting privileges are often mutually exclusive. Seen it before. Been there in fact. Not banned, but I have gotten "excited".

I have no "grudge" against anyone here. In fact I have updinged iceweasel many times. But when anyone mischaracterizes something I post, or needlessly name calls, yes, the hairs on my neck do stand up and so will I

289 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #286 Liberally Conservative

I think "clearing out the cess-hole" of DC is not something that Sarah Palin (or any single politician, for that matter) can do. The fact is that providing services for 300 million people is going to require a sizable bureaucracy, and the waste that comes with it. And Sarah Palin isn't going to be the swordmistress that takes care of that Gordian Knot.

What you can do is reduce funding or eliminate unnecessary programs, but that is as hard as raising taxes.

Agreed, that is why it is necessary to put MUCH more thought into creating or expanding entitlements. Is lifetime jobs for the likes of Rangell, Geithner, Dodd, Frank, Biden, Schumer, et al. really the answer??

290 Cheechako  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 2:48:27pm

re: #194 The Curmudgeon

Palin really does have potential, but it'll take years for that to develop. She's gotta toil in the vineyards. Maybe some heavy-duty campaigning for the next GOP ticket, which shouldn't include her as a candidate. Then maybe a cabinet position -- after a year or so as an under-secretary. Then maybe a Senate race. If she takes her time and actually grows -- who knows? She could be our Margaret Thatcher ten years from now. (Of course, she's gotta dump the creationism, but she can do it.)


I have to agree with you. I would like Sara to run for Don Young's house seat in 2012. (He has announced he plans to run for re-election on 2010) Then she could step up and run for Mark Begich's Senate seat in 2012. This would give her the experience she is lacking for races beyond 2012.

Begich is in big trouble back home for failing to tell the Anchorage Assembly how bad the city's finances were when he was Mayor. Begich pushed through big pay raises to the unionized police and fire fighters that are now having to be rescinded because the City is deeply in debt.

291 theheat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:09:37pm

Really, to criticize his VP choice at this state of the game only shows how counterfeit the choice was to begin with, and makes him look like an ungrateful fool. Palin was as big a shot in the arm to McCain's campaign as a liability. Without her, he would have trailed Obama even more. With Palin, he courted the fundie base while simultaneously repelling anyone wavering center or left.

Likewise, Palin has no business trash-talking McCain, as speculated in her upcoming book. Without McCain, she'd be a nondescript semi-literate governor speaking in tongues about abstinence, and most certainly not an author with a multimillion dollar book deal, or talking head for the GOP.

The McCain/Palin ticket was a perfect illustration of a symbiotic relationship. At this stage of the game, I really don't give a damn about either one. I just wish they'd STFU and stop embarrassing themselves.

292 Right Brain  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 4:11:36pm

I have puzzled over Sarah Palin endlessly, why did she blow the interviews (being a trained journalist herself)? Why did she retire as Governor? Why give an interview in front of a Turkey beheading machine?

I know many will write her off as schtupid, but then you will have to account for how she got into the remarkably influential position that she has, admired by millions whose voting ability is identical to yours.

I guess my question is: Why won't she grow? OK you got your butt kicked by Couric over Russia, so go take a semester of Russian and get invited by some Moscow event where you're filmed speaking some basic stuff in Russian. Its not a hard fix, but she doesn't do that. Or anything that would buff her image with the Northeastern conservative intellectuals.

293 Right Brain  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 4:56:27pm

re: #291 theheat

she'd be a nondescript semi-literate governor .

She has a degree in journalism from the University of Idaho, and worked for many years as a television sports journalist. There is nothing semi-literate about her. That she speaks with a Canadian accent is not illiterate, no more than Tennessee Williams is illiterate for speaking a Mississippi delta patois.

294 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:09:06pm

re: #292 Right Brain

Or anything that would buff her image with the Northeastern conservative intellectuals.

Palin is pretty much toast with the Northeastern Conservative block - particularly if you are talking about the Patrician republicans up there. I just don't see them supporting her unless her nomination was signed and sealed (by the South). She is their antithesis.

The New England Republicans need to embrace the center to get back on the electoral map - as nothing will be done without non-ideologue independents up there.

W

295 Right Brain  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:11:26pm

re: #294 wozzablog

Palin is pretty much toast with the Northeastern Conservative block - particularly if you are talking about the Patrician republicans up there. I just don't see them supporting her unless her nomination was signed and sealed (by the South). She is their antithesis.

The New England Republicans need to embrace the center to get back on the electoral map - as nothing will be done without non-ideologue independents up there.

W

I'm one of them, so I guess I have to agree with you.

296 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:18:14pm

re: #290 Cheechako

I have to agree with you. I would like Sara to run for Don Young's house seat in 2012. (He has announced he plans to run for re-election on 2010) Then she could step up and run for Mark Begich's Senate seat in 2012. This would give her the experience she is lacking for races beyond 2012.

Of course, she might start feeling the pressure again and quit, right in the middle of her term.

Fool me once...

297 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:19:58pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

Actually it isn't. They mock her for her obvious deficiencies. It's not hate and it is not derangement the way it might have been in some circles during the campaign.

And yes, the left loves it because watching the right shower an ineffective and unelectable candidate with praise she doesn't deserve can only help their own chances. I'd say it's more amazement than derangement at this stage of the game.

Actually instead of hating her quite a few of them are actually gleefully hoping that she is the nominee in 2012. At least according to some of the more left leaning forums I have visited, like the one where I picked this up...

Image: poster49184586.jpg

298 theheat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:41:19pm

re: #293 Right Brain

Is that what helped her write that amazing, almost coherent speech when she quit as governor?


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