Tonight: Discovering Ardi

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Science • Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 5:56 pm PDT • Views: 303

Airing tonight on the Discovery Channel at 9 pm (Eastern and Pacific), Discovering Ardi — a documentary on the investigation leading up to the historic announcement of the Ardipithecus ramidus fossils.

Set your TiVos and your Eye TVs; this looks like a must-see.

The scientific investigation began in the Ethiopian desert 17 years ago, and now opens a new chapter on human evolution, revealing the first evolutionary steps our ancestors took after we diverged from a common ancestor we once shared with living chimpanzees. “Ardi’s” centerpiece skeleton, the other hominids she lived with, and the rocks, soils, plants and animals that made up her world were analyzed in laboratories around the world, and the scientists have now published their findings in the prestigious journal Science.

“Ardi” is now the oldest skeleton from our (hominid) branch of the primate family tree. These Ethiopian discoveries reveal an early grade of human evolution in Africa that predated the famous Australopithecus nicknamed “Lucy.” Ardipithecus was a woodland creature with a small brain, long arms, and short legs. The pelvis and feet show a primitive form of two-legged walking on the ground, but Ardipithecus was also a capable tree climber, with long fingers and big toes that allowed their feet to grasp like an ape’s. The discoveries answer old questions about how hominids became bipedal.

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1 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:57:32pm

I don't watch TV but this is tempting me...

2 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:58:13pm

Yep, was just about to log out to watch this! Later!

3 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 5:58:44pm

Any signs of a glowing red spine?

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:02:20pm

This is when I miss cable television. *sigh*

5 The Shadow Do  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:04:12pm

Why Ardi and not Homer or Bealthazar or some such?

6 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:04:31pm

It's all so very exciting!

I don't see it on my normal PBS, but I'll keep looking.

7 The Shadow Do  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:05:36pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

It's all so very exciting!

I don't see it on my normal PBS, but I'll keep looking.

Discovery Channel

8 RoughRider  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:05:45pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

I don't see it on my normal PBS, but I'll keep looking.

Discovery Channel, not PBS.

9 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #8 RoughRider

Discovery Channel, not PBS.

channel, not institute... got it.

10 Etaoin Shrdlu  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:08:11pm

Thanks for pointing this out, Charles. It's on Discovery up here in Canada too. Repeats at midnight, for the late arrivals.

11 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:10:57pm

Wow- they were much more thorough than I realized. Sounds pretty extensive. I look forward to reading more.

12 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:12:16pm

re: #1 brookly red

I don't watch TV but this is tempting me...

HEATHEN


satTV4u2!

//

13 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:14:47pm

re: #12 sattv4u2

HEATHEN


satTV4u2!

//

//whore monger!

14 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:15:35pm

Yaa yaa. I figured that out hehe

15 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:16:21pm

Looks like a lot of detailed work was involved. I found the illustrating of Ardi to be rather interesting. Hand drawn and a 2 year project.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:16:29pm

Fascism!
/O'Reilly

17 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:17:58pm

re: #13 brookly red

//whore monger!

Well ,, the pay's good, not to mention the fringe bennies

((ummm,, no ,, wait !!))

18 Cog  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:18:14pm

Upcoming PBS special on Afghanistan: Obama's War
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

19 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:18:33pm

Here's the illustrator's website:

Jay Matternes - Artist/Naturalist

20 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:20:33pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

Well ,, the pay's good, not to mention the fringe bennies

((ummm,, no ,, wait !!))

don't worry dude, I'm in advertising :)

21 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:20:45pm

Discovery Institute: Already Assailing Ardi

At the blog of the neo-theocrats at the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture (a/k/a the Discoveroids) we find the expected creationist response to Ardi. It’s by Casey Luskin, our favorite creationist: Bones of “Ardi,” New Human Evolution Fossil, “Crushed Nearly to Smithereens”.

22 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:21:35pm

Recording on my DVR, just waiting for enough pause to accumulate so I can scan past the commercials.

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:23:38pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

This is when I miss cable television. *sigh*

Same here. But I always think of how much money I save without it, and how it's generally crap most of the time anyway.

Don't sweat it, this will show up on Hulu or some other site soon enough.

24 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:24:06pm

Perhaps the Pope is watching too. A quote from him on creationism and evolution

“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.

25 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:27:42pm

[Link: www.butler.edu...]

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

26 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:31:44pm

Ardi 2d

27 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

Perhaps the Pope is watching too. A quote from him on creationism and evolution

“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.

..what was on the pope's other hand?

28 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:37:40pm

re: #27 cenotaphium

..what was on the pope's other hand?

A puppet that looks like kilgors avatar

29 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:46:19pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Youtube maybe?

30 dugmartsch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:59:43pm

couldn't find a live link, don't think charles would appreciate it anyway.

31 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:18:18pm

HA!
A monkey was Not my Uncle!

LOL

32 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

More from the speech on faith and reason..

God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature.

Interesting concept there.

33 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:24:59pm

Thx for the additional kind words. re: #30 dugmartsch

I was thinking for later not live. I would not suggest too strong a distraction from this fine blog. Hate to see her miss this.

34 Rich H  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:53:36pm

Arthur C. Clarke had placed the dawn of man at -4E6 CE. Not bad.

35 UP Border Collie  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:11:32pm

re: #10 Etaoin Shrdlu

Thanks for the heads up on the midnight showing. Good night people...gotta get my stuff done so I can settle in to watch it!

36 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:18:19pm

Surprisingly quiet thread.

37 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:19:05pm

Oh Man I need an MP3 of crickets...

38 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #34 Rich H

Can you flip that into years for me?

39 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:29:31pm

re: #37 Rightwingconspirator

Does this work?

40 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:39:40pm

re: #39 cenotaphium

That will do

41 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:40:17pm

I guess Dobson is the fun thread at the moment

42 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:41:36pm

re: #39 cenotaphium

Electronic, right? Not natural.

43 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:17pm

re: #42 Rightwingconspirator

You know, I thought something sounded funny about those crickets too. But I figured it was just some obscure species with a different sound.

The other thread is moving too fast for me at the moment. I guess we're standing outside the main party or something?

44 John Neverbend  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:49:46pm

Very interesting and well put together. I must read the wealth of papers. After 2 hours of documentary, there was a discussion with the main scientists and Paula Zahn.

45 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:52:12pm

re: #43 cenotaphium

To my ear too repetitive. Natural sounds vary more. But hey thanks, yes we seem to be out on the porch smoking, away from the party.

46 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:53:58pm

re: #44 John Neverbend

Good discussion. I just love the irony that the old creationists were right about being a monkeys relative. we come from an older bipedal line. I'm no fan of creationism. I am a fan of irony.

47 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:55:18pm

I'm being bandwith greedy. Playing Charles music links on my bose earphones as we go

48 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:59:03pm

Now playing on the Luddite Channel:

Assaulting Ardi.

49 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:08:39pm

re: #48 BigPapa

Rule 34:ed already?

50 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:41:31pm

Whoops first posted in other thread

I'm watching Discovery "Arti" right through again. Every time they discover more human fossils etc we were smarter, more capable earlier than previously thought. Obviously the assumption is dumber until proven smarter. Hmmm

51 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:11:24pm

Watching it now. Absolutely fascinating.
Makes me wish I'd done something I'd considered in college and taken a minor in anthropology to go along with my Info Systems major. Even without the formal commitment, I did take several anthro classes even after I'd already satisfied that GenEd requirement just because they interested me.

52 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:16:58pm

Small male canines bespeak little competition for mates, at least, competition that boils down to fighting.

How else can a male compete? Make nice! Do something for the lady. But what? Ah, bring food. But how? Carry it. You have two legs. The hands are free. And thus, we see our pair-bonding, one-male-one-female reproductive pattern, distinctively human, echoed in our most remote ancestor yet known.

We mess with this setup at our peril. Let four wives become the norm, or none, (the besetting errors of Islam and of western hedonism, respectively) and the canines, or their modern equivalents, daggers and pistols, will come to the fore.


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