If they're so damned proud of their race and their organization, why are they covering their faces?

re: #1 MandyManners

If they're so damned proud of their race and their organization, why are they covering their faces?

To keep Geller from noticing the Nazi salutes?

They arrest Brits fighting for their nation, their country, their way of life, they get arrested.

I'm sorry, did it never occur to you that perhaps people get arrested for DOING SOMETHING WRONG?

Pamela is a true believer. There is no amount of logic or reason that will get through to her that she's in league with neo-nazis and other fascists. She doesn't care. She wants to legitimize these people. Gross.

re: #1 MandyManners

...and shaving their heads?
' English Defense League' is such a lofty sounding name for a bunch of your basic skinheads. I hate to see them twist the language like that.

Skinheads and their ilk make me sick. I've had a lot of run-ins with them in my younger days, mostly at punk shows; they were congregating both inside and outside of the venues.

I can tell you that they fight like pack animals, and they weren't even very good at that. My knuckles still bear scars from a few of their grilles.

re: #2 reine.de.tout

To keep Geller from noticing the Nazi salutes?

Someone else gives that salute.

re: #7 MandyManners

Someone else gives that salute.

What an evil bastard.

re: #7 MandyManners

Someone else gives that salute.

Even has the mustache.
Evil summabitch.

re: #5 tradewind

...and shaving their heads?
' English Defense League' is such a lofty sounding name for a bunch of your basic skinheads. I hate to see them twist the language like that.

As if they're defending mum and kidney pie.

re: #8 debutaunt

What an evil bastard.

re: #9 reine.de.tout

Even has the mustache.
Evil summabitch.

What do both groups have in common?

re: #7 MandyManners

Dammit!
It's like the universal sign for ' I'm a bastard'.

They arrest Brits fighting for their nation, their country, their way of life, they get arrested. But traitorous scum get the royal treatment.

Yes, pamela. It's a real pity those nazis aren't allowed a free hand al over the Isle, and the continent too. Because hey- what harm could a few nazis do, right?

Pamela is a walking exercise in lost irony.

You'll notice that these guys cover their faces when the do the full out nazi salute. It's very obvious and definitely not some coincidental hand gesture.

re: #12 tradewind

Dammit!
It's like the universal sign for ' I'm a bastard'.

You know, it pretty much is. And yet, there are people who insist that the people using it aren't REALLY evil bastards.

re: #12 tradewind

Dammit!
It's like the universal sign for ' I'm a bastard'.

I myself can't see that salute without my adrenal glands twitching. It pisses me off to no end.

Because I'm too lazy to look it up...
Is Pamela Geller British? And what's her claim to fame?

I wonder if some say they're not giving the Nazi salute, that they're merely pointing their fingers.

re: #4 Sharmuta

Like, Turkeys for Thanksgiving?

Geller is a deluded, classless, vicious tool.

re: #7 MandyManners

Someone else gives that salute.

Nasty looking little turd, isn't he.

And at the same time, totally ridiculous.

Creepy shaved football louts become creepy shaved fascist thugs.

re: #18 tradewind

Because I'm too lazy to look it up...

I'm too lazy to look it up for you.

re: #19 MandyManners

It's like the people who bend over backwards to explain that the swastika is not really a nazi symbol, and give you the historical rundown.
Accurate-but-fake.

re: #13 Sharmuta

When the skinheads are done with the "Mooslims", they're coming after her and her children... and she just doesn't seem to want to get it.

re: #19 MandyManners

I wonder if some say they're not giving the Nazi salute, that they're merely pointing their fingers.

I'll point with a finger. And they won't like it, either.

oh c'mon Charles, we all know that those are leftist infiltrators...

// That will be the first defense

re: #15 Killgore Trout

You'll notice that these guys cover their faces when the do the full out nazi salute. It's very obvious and definitely not some coincidental hand gesture.

I agree, but come on EDL, is that you idea of a full-forced Nazi salute? What a wimpy little wrist-flailing there. And show your faces, be proud, be all that you can be, be a racist...

Just an observation, but I suspect that the salute is a bit "lazy" purposely, so they can deny any connection to the Nazi salute, claiming they are just showing some sort of support, solidarity.

re: #23 Sharmuta

That's okay, someone will probably just know.

re: #19 MandyManners

I wonder if some say they're not giving the Nazi salute, that they're merely pointing their fingers.

If you're only pointing one finger, you might be yelling and trying to make a point. But if all the fingers are out there, you can't run with that argument at all. Everyone can tell what sentiment they are sharing.

re: #18 tradewind

Is Pamela Geller British?

No.

And what's her claim to fame?

She's a crazy chick with implants.

re: #29 tradewind

I already know, but I'm too lazy to spoon feed you.

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

re: #21 ryannon

Nasty looking little turd, isn't he.

And at the same time, totally ridiculous.

I'd agree if he weren't such a murderous bastard.

re: #27 Thanos

oh c'mon Charles, we all know that those are leftist infiltrators...

// That will be the first defense

Followed closely by "they're victims of the euro-msm! They say everyone is a nazi!"

You will also find links to the Kahanist apologists on several of the GoV websites I noticed the other night.

Man, if William Joyce were around today, he could be the British Glenn Beck.

re: #24 tradewind

It's like the people who bend over backwards to explain that the swastika is not really a nazi symbol, and give you the historical rundown.
Accurate-but-fake.

Doesn't the Indian swastika go one way and the Nazis go the other way?

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

What's really funny is that Jesus gave many warnings against looking for and preaching false signs and prophets. So much for listening to what the poor dude said, huh?

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk...]

Apparently Nick Griffin is doing an Osama bin Laden impression by releasing audio talking about Jews/Zionists pulling the strings.

re: #33 Charles

Wow, it reads like timecube.

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Bwahahahah! Well, you know, some people have claimed side effects that include emotional ones.
Thanks.
:)

re: #36 Thanos

You will also find links to the Kahanist apologists on several of the GoV websites I noticed the other night.

Interesting.

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

Ugh. My head exploded just looking at the layout. I couldn't even get into the content.

re: #33 Charles

Wow, I didn't know that Sir Isaac Newton identified and warned about the Antichrist... that's an eye opener for sure...

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re: #30 vxbush

If you're only pointing one finger, you might be yelling and trying to make a point. But if all the fingers are out there, you can't run with that argument at all. Everyone can tell what sentiment they are sharing.

If I'm yelling and trying to make a point with my finger, it ain't gonna' be a limp one like the one on the guy in the baby-blue shirt.

re: #45 Thanos

Wow, I didn't know that Sir Isaac Newton identified and warned about the Antichrist... that's an eye opener for sure...

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Oh he did, they talked about it during an episode of "The Nostradamus Effect" last night.

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

Well, I'm glad to see that reasoned political discourse has finally included proclamations of the impending end of the world.

re: #33 Charles

Conspicuously missing the "Flag as Batshit Crazy" link under each post. "Flag as Offensive" isn't going to cut it there.

re: #25 Irish Rose

When the skinheads are done with the "Mooslims", they're coming after her and her children... and she just doesn't seem to want to get it.

Only islamofascism is her concern. She's not thinking about what will happen to the euro-fascists once the accomplish their "first" task.

re: #38 MandyManners

Dunno. I've seen several different interpretations of it, and actually have a really old rug that looks like there's a narrow border of them incorporated into the design.. it's not from Germany, though, and is way older than the third reich, so you may be right. I try not to think about it.

re: #38 MandyManners

Doesn't the Indian swastika go one way and the Nazis go the other way?

In an essay, Carl Gustav Jung wrote that the original swastika was oriented clockwise, symbolizing the forces of life. According to Jung, the Nazis reversed it, consciously or unconsciously orienting it in the direction of darkness and death.

re: #45 Thanos

Wow, I didn't know that Sir Isaac Newton identified and warned about the Antichrist... that's an eye opener for sure...

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[Link: www.preteristarchive.com...]

re: #48 SixDegrees

Well, I'm glad to see that reasoned political discourse has finally included proclamations of the impending end of the world.

Does it say when we can safely stop renewing our life insurance policies?

re: #33 Charles

I can't make head or tail of it - it just looks crazy, if that makes any sense. I wonder if that's the appeal to some.

re: #40 metrolibertarian

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk...]

Apparently Nick Griffin is doing an Osama bin Laden impression by releasing audio talking about Jews/Zionists pulling the strings.

“Spelling it out in simple terms, you look at the owners of the Daily Express, the Daily Star and their interests. This is a neo-con operation. This is a Zionist false flag operation, designed to create a real clash of civilisations right here on our streets between Islam and the rest of us.”

Oh, good gravy. Is he saying he's the innocent one caught in the middle?

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

WTF? Now that is bizarre. I don't even know if I can describe what I just saw at that link.

re: #45 Thanos

Wow, I didn't know that Sir Isaac Newton identified and warned about the Antichrist... that's an eye opener for sure...

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Actually, Newton was batshit crazy in his spare time. Numerology, end of the world stuff, you name it, he was all over it. He kept it under wraps, partly because he thought it was "secret knowledge" that shouldn't be released to the world at large, partly because he was smart enough to realize that going public with some of his stuff would have gotten him booted out of his cushy government and academic positions in a heartbeat.

Brilliant mathematician and scientist. Otherwise, not so much.

re: #51 tradewind

Dunno. I've seen several different interpretations of it, and actually have a really old rug that looks like there's a narrow border of them incorporated into the design.. it's not from Germany, though, and is way older than the third reich, so you may be right. I try not to think about it.

Ryannon's No. 52 sounds right to me from what I remember.

re: #47 Equable

I guess no one ever bothers to ask these paragons of faith what part of ' No one knows the hour ' they skipped in the bible.

re: #52 ryannon

In an essay, Carl Gustav Jung wrote that the original swastika was oriented clockwise, symbolizing the forces of life. According to Jung, the Nazis reversed it, consciously or unconsciously orienting it in the direction of darkness and death.

That jibes with my memory.

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Matthew 24:36

Too bad, so sad.

re: #58 SixDegrees

Actually, Newton was batshit crazy in his spare time. Numerology, end of the world stuff, you name it, he was all over it. He kept it under wraps, partly because he thought it was "secret knowledge" that shouldn't be released to the world at large, partly because he was smart enough to realize that going public with some of his stuff would have gotten him booted out of his cushy government and academic positions in a heartbeat.

Brilliant mathematician and scientist. Otherwise, not so much.

I posted a link above, here's another one.

[Link: en.wikisource.org...]

re: #31 Killgore Trout

She's a crazy chick with implants

I object, sir, on behalf of all the crazy chicks with implants who aren't fascists, don't make hysterical drunken vlogs, and don't fantasise that all the Muslims are coming to kill us all.

re: #64 iceweasel

I object, sir, on behalf of all the crazy chicks with implants who aren't fascists, don't make hysterical drunken vlogs, and don't fantasise that all the Muslims are coming to kill us all.

Me too!

re: #59 MandyManners

Good. I guess I mean when people who are obviously admirers of der f'er try to wiggle out of being caught with the swastika and say ' hey, it has lots of other meanings'...that's what bites.

re: #64 iceweasel

Do we qualify for implants along with the secret lair? I feel like I'm missing out on some very important perks.

Ok some of you are missing sarc tags even though I doubled them up.
Strange subscribers at P-Aisle include "end the fed," "White Illuminati" and others

re: #51 tradewind

The symbol is used (and abused) all over the place. You can find it in Tibetan and Indian traditions.

re: #64 iceweasel

I object, sir, on behalf of all the crazy chicks with implants who aren't fascists, don't make hysterical drunken vlogs, and don't fantasise that all the Muslims are coming to kill us all.

No offense intended. Some of my best friends are crazy chicks with implants.

re: #62 Irish Rose

They skip that part, because it puts 'em out of a job.

re: #64 iceweasel

I object, sir, on behalf of all the crazy chicks with implants who aren't fascists, don't make hysterical drunken vlogs, and don't fantasise that all the Muslims are coming to kill us all.

You have implants?

///just KIDDING! :).

re: #68 Thanos

Ok some of you are missing sarc tags even though I doubled them up.
Strange subscribers at P-Aisle include "end the fed," "White Illuminati" and others

I thought the second set canceled out the first set.

re: #56 MandyManners

“Spelling it out in simple terms, you look at the owners of the Daily Express, the Daily Star and their interests. This is a neo-con operation. This is a Zionist false flag operation, designed to create a real clash of civilisations right here on our streets between Islam and the rest of us.”

Oh, good gravy. Is he saying he's the innocent one caught in the middle?

several months ago, I said that anyone of the Jewish faith who sides with the neo nazis out of their fear of radical islam was a fool. Because if there ever is a race war between the nazis and the islamists, those in the greatest danger are the Jews. Because if there is one area of common ground between the nazis and the islamists, it's their shared hatred of the Jews. This is something that the simpleminded gellar seems incapable of grasping.

re: #66 tradewind

Good. I guess I mean when people who are obviously admirers of der f'er try to wiggle out of being caught with the swastika and say ' hey, it has lots of other meanings'...that's what bites.

I'd ask them why they're denying their admiration for him.

It's really odd to think back to when the counter jihad blogs were going strong. I never would have guessed that one could post a picture praising a guy giving the Nazi salute. This would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

re: #56 MandyManners

“Spelling it out in simple terms, you look at the owners of the Daily Express, the Daily Star and their interests. This is a neo-con operation. This is a Zionist false flag operation, designed to create a real clash of civilisations right here on our streets between Islam and the rest of us.”

Oh, good gravy. Is he saying he's the innocent one caught in the middle?

This from a site that is called Hope, not hate?
You could mine the irony in that.

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

several months ago, I said that anyone of the Jewish faith who sides with the neo nazis out of their fear of radical islam was a fool. Because if there ever is a race war between the nazis and the islamists, those in the greatest danger are the Jews. Because if there is one area of common ground between the nazis and the islamists, it's their shared hatred of the Jews. This is something that the simpleminded gellar seems incapable of grasping.

Has she never heard of the mufti?

re: #77 Kosh's Shadow

This from a site that is called Hope, not hate?
You could mine the irony in that.

That site exposes Griffin, not praises.

re: #1 MandyManners

If they're so damned proud of their race and their organization, why are they covering their faces?

Because they derive motivation from the manly scent of their armpits, much as Kevin Kline did in "A Fish Called Wanda".

re: #78 MandyManners

She hopes she's eaten last, if at all.

re: #81 theheat

She hopes she's eaten last, if at all.

The Quislings are always at the top of the menu, however.

re: #80 imp_62

Because they derive motivation from the manly scent of their armpits, much as Kevin Kline did in "A Fish Called Wanda".

Oh, dear me.

re: #76 Killgore Trout

It's really odd to think back to when the counter jihad blogs were going strong. I never would have guessed that one could post a picture praising a guy giving the Nazi salute. This would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

From unthinkable to completely acceptable. The mask slipped 2 years ago, and they see no reason to obscure their anger and hatred any more. Now they revel in it. They're welcome to keep the gutter for themselves.

re: #38 MandyManners

Doesn't the Indian swastika go one way and the Nazis go the other way?

Not exactly. The Indian (or rather Hindu) swastika is in both forms, right and left facing, and the symbol is something like 5000 years old, found in Buddhism as well.

In Hinduism, the two symbols represent the two forms of the creator god Brahma: facing right it represents the evolution of the universe (Devanagari: प्रवृत्ति, Pravritti), facing left it represents the involution of the universe (Devanagari: निवृत्ति, Nivritti).

There was a rumour (still popular now) that Hitler chose the left facing one to symbolise death. That isn't true. He chose the rightward facing one, and it was all part of his fucked up idea that Aryans were some pure race that encompassed all of Indo-european culture and language.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #81 theheat

She hopes she's eaten last, if at all.

Does she think she's safer because she's not in England?

Dryer buzzer.

re: #82 imp_62

The Quislings are always at the top of the menu, however.

Indeed. Betrayal of those who foolishly gave their trust is the sweetest meat of all.

re: #78 MandyManners

Has she never heard of the mufti?

exactly Mandy. The lack of any historical perspective keeps the likes of gellar from understanding what is so painfully obvious to those of us who actually have a clue.

I do Nazi anything wrong with these photos.
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re: #84 Sharmuta

From unthinkable to completely acceptable. The mask slipped 2 years ago, and they see no reason to obscure their anger and hatred any more. Now they revel in it. They're welcome to keep the gutter for themselves.

It's a compromising of principles little by little, bit by bit. Once the door is opened . . .it's ever easier to slip further into the muck.

re: #70 Killgore Trout

No offense intended. Some of my best friends are crazy chicks with implants.

Hey, me too. Hence my objection!

re: #88 Irish Rose

Indeed. Betrayal of those who foolishly gave their trust is the sweetest meat of all.

Always my favourite part of the movie. When the double-crossing worm who played both ends takes it in the forehead.

re: #15 Killgore Trout

You'll notice that these guys cover their faces when the do the full out nazi salute. It's very obvious and definitely not some coincidental hand gesture.

I suppose it's good that a group calling itself the English Defense League at least has some sense of shame about that gesture. Those fools' grandfathers and great-grandfathers beat back the Nazis. In heaven, they must be knocking back an extra pint and shaking their heads about the idiocy of the younger generation.

re: #86 MandyManners

That, and the security of either faked or blind admiration. I have no doubt she'd hump a leg or two if things got dicey. A few Nazis kept Jewish women as their secret pets. Geller strikes me as a broad that would do anything to save her neck while helping facilitate the demise of others.

re: #19 MandyManners

I wonder if some say they're not giving the Nazi salute, that they're merely pointing their fingers.

The guy in the front of the picture above, I'd buy that from. The ones in the back, no.

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

re: #20 theheat

Like, Turkeys for Thanksgiving?

Geller is a deluded, classless, vicious tool.

One of our local activists told a member of a group called "Lesbians for the Palestinian Uprising" that that was like calling yourselves "Turkeys for Thanksgiving". She didn't appreciate it.

This is similar.

re: #92 iceweasel

Hey, me too. Hence my objection!

Well,, thats because the Democrats and the Left ,,,

((didn't want to disappoint you with a post of mine that DIDN'T include that))
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re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose it's good that a group calling itself the English Defense League at least has some sense of shame about that gesture.

I don't think it's shame. I think there are laws against giving the Nazi salute in the UK.

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose it's good that a group calling itself the English Defense League at least has some sense of shame about that gesture. Those fools' grandfathers and great-grandfathers beat back the Nazis. In heaven, they must be knocking back an extra pint and shaking their heads about the idiocy of the younger generation.

It's possible, if unlikely, that these fools' grandfathers and greatgrandfathers were part of the BUP, which was basically the forerunner to the BNP. But I doubt it.

re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

Thanks, I was just going to dig that up.

Pamela might want to read this.

[Link: emperors-clothes.com...]

re: #97 Thanos

They're hip, they're happenin', they're cutting edge; retooled like the new Mickey Mouse Club.
/

and to top it off...it's the worst place to live in Europe

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

OT ... the stock market has inched past the 9000 mark. Although some on the far right are secretly hoping the market will go down (because it hurts the POTUS), I am not one of them. Good economic news that helps Obama (and my 401k) is fine by me.

However, I do understand that Obama's economic policies are dangerous to our future. But I'm still hoping for the best.

re: #100 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's shame. I think there are laws against giving the Nazi salute in the UK.

Really? I'm NO fan of Nazi salutes (esp Illinois Nazi salutes//) but a law AGAINST it sounds somehow wrong on a Magna Carter level

re: #107 sattv4u2

Really? I'm NO fan of Nazi salutes (esp Illinois Nazi salutes//) but a law AGAINST it sounds somehow wrong on a Magna Carter CARTA level

PIMF

They hide their faces when they salute: they know its wrong.

re: #38 MandyManners

Doesn't the Indian swastika go one way and the Nazis go the other way?

Just quickly glancing at photos on Wiki, I see non-Nazi swastikas going both ways. The Nazi one is consistent.

re: #107 sattv4u2

Really? I'm NO fan of Nazi salutes (esp Illinois Nazi salutes//) but a law AGAINST it sounds somehow wrong on a Magna Carter level

The have hate speech laws and it's also illegal to deny the Holocaust. They don't have the same free speech thing that we have here in the US.

As vile as a nazi salute certainly is, I do hope that the US will never get to the point where a hand gesture is against the law. Just doesn't pass the Constitutional test for speech, IMO.

re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

What a bunch of chickenshits! If they're all so fired up about that goose-stepping motherfucker Hitler, why not stand up like men and be counted?!

re: #91 reine.de.tout

It's a compromising of principles little by little, bit by bit. Once the door is opened . . .it's ever easier to slip further into the muck.

It makes me think people like geller and spencer were never in the counter-jihad because of principles, but rather for ideology. There is a distinction.

I opposed religious supremacism because of American/Enlightenment principles. They oppose islam because they think their faith is better. Because their opposition is based on bigotry, they're free to make deals with the devil himself to stop their enemies. Their opposition isn't based on the same foundation as mine. These aren't allies to my cause- they're a different version of the same problem.

re: #112 tradewind

It won't happen.

re: #113 MandyManners

What a bunch of chickenshits! If they're all so fired up about that goose-stepping motherfucker Hitler, why not stand up like men and be counted?!

Because that would require them to be men.

re: #104 theheat

They're hip, they're happenin', they're cutting edge; retooled like the new Mickey Mouse Club.
/

You mean that Hamas mouse, don't you?

re: #113 MandyManners

The same reasons Hamas and their ilk cover their faces. They're badass chickenshits. There's a difference.
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re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

Back up thread, I suggested that possibility with out even knowing if that was actually fact, thanks for the conformation...

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

re: #60 tradewind

I guess no one ever bothers to ask these paragons of faith what part of ' No one knows the hour ' they skipped in the bible.

I once read a YA novel about two teenagers whose parents have joined a cultish church that goes up on a mountain to wait for the end of the world. The preacher insists that no one knows the hour, but he does know the day.

re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

Excellent PDF. Saving that one. Thanks.

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

I think the neo Nazis knew they suffered an image problem, and probably hired some branding or marketing experts to update their look.

"Yes, that's the ticket!"

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Well, I hope not, for reasons similar to why I don't want an amendment to make flag burning illegal. If a child of mine did that, he'd wish he hadn't, but the freedom to be an offensive idiot is part of America.

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

Holy Crap! It's the end of the world!
Head for the hills!
/Why march with a sign in times square declaring the end of times when we have the Internet?

re: #69 Rightwingconspirator

The symbol is used (and abused) all over the place. You can find it in Tibetan and Indian traditions.

One of the Wiki pictures is of a Native American youth basketball team from, I don't know, maybe the 20s. Swastikas on their jerseys.

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope it's at least an active volcano, so they aren't terribly disappointed.

re: #78 MandyManners

Has she never heard of the mufti?

I'm sure she has. That shows the eeevil of Arabs to her. But she doesn't want to make the linkup the other way.

This is yet another example of the disgusting sympathy for hate groups that I have come to expect from that blog.

On that note, the BBC is guilty of hypocritical behavior by its past refusal to show footage of Islamists and Arab nationalists with their own venomous displays of hate towards Jews, Christians and pagans, right down to the exact same Nazi salute.

re: #106 _RememberTonyC

OT ... the stock market has inched past the 9000 mark. Although some on the far right are secretly hoping the market will go down (because it hurts the POTUS), I am not one of them. Good economic news that helps Obama (and my 401k) is fine by me.

However, I do understand that Obama's economic policies are dangerous to our future. But I'm still hoping for the best.

On the negative side, OIL pushed over $73.50 a barrel (up from the low $72 's )

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Holy Crap! It's the end of the world!
Head for the hills!
/Why march with a sign in times square declaring the end of times when we have the Internet?

hahahahahahahahahhahaaa

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

Hell's bells, that guy doesn't know the time of day.
I've never run into one of these end-of-world'ers, but if I did, that'd be the first thing I would ask them... why they don't just accept the ' no one knows the hour ' clause, when it is so clearly stated.

More on the Haj and Hitler.

[Link: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com...]

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read a YA novel about two teenagers whose parents have joined a cultish church that goes up on a mountain to wait for the end of the world. The preacher insists that no one knows the hour, but he does know the day.

That sounds amusingly like the story of the 19th Century American preacher William Miller who led his flock to a hill waiting for the rapture only to experience what is referred to as the Great Disappointment.

re: #114 Sharmuta

It makes me think people like geller and spencer were never in the counter-jihad because of principles, but rather for ideology. There is a distinction.

I opposed religious supremacism because of American/Enlightenment principles. They oppose islam because they think their faith is better. Because their opposition is based on bigotry, they're free to make deals with the devil himself to stop their enemies. Their opposition isn't based on the same foundation as mine. These aren't allies to my cause- they're a different version of the same problem.

Thanks for spelling it out. Seems to be a need for that.

More.

[Link: www.eretzyisroel.org...]

re: #129 sattv4u2

On the negative side, OIL pushed over $73.50 a barrel (up from the low $72 's )

just wait...energy is gonna suck profit out of business like a Hoover...people will have even less money to spend...it has not even begun yet

re: #112 tradewind

Anybody see "Inglorious Basterds? Even without a uniform, Brad Pitt's character had an interesting way to ensure that Nazi's were always recognized in public.

re: #133 metrolibertarian

That sounds amusingly like the story of the 19th Century American preacher William Miller who led his flock to a hill waiting for the rapture only to experience what is referred to as the Great Disappointment.

Odd ,,, thats the same thing my wife called our honeymoon night!

(((did I just type that out loud??))

More.

[Link: www.bankingonbaghdad.com...]

re: #86 MandyManners

Does she think she's safer because she's not in England?

Maybe. A lot of the crazy-anti-Muslim types here in the States seem to enjoy the idea that Europe is in SO MUCH TROUBLE that anything their Euro counterparts do is OK. Meanwhile, they get to enjoy the rule of law and all that good shit over here.

re: #95 theheat

That, and the security of either faked or blind admiration. I have no doubt she'd hump a leg or two if things got dicey. A few Nazis kept Jewish women as their secret pets. Geller strikes me as a broad that would do anything to save her neck while helping facilitate the demise of others.

Updinging this even though it squicks me, at least the third sentence does. Doesn't strike me as relevent at all in that it describes a wholly different situation in which the women in question had no choice whatsoever.

I loathe Gellar and agree with everything else you've said. She's crazy, and she's a hatemonger and fascist. The shrieking harpy would have no hesitation, ever, about yowlingly persecuting groups to which she does not belong. She would also be shocked, shocked, to discover that the people she so happily allies with would happily discard her as well.
She's a collaborator.

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the Wiki pictures is of a Native American youth basketball team from, I don't know, maybe the 20s. Swastikas on their jerseys.

In addition, Arizona used the swastika on their state route shields until after WWII.

re: #100 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's shame. I think there are laws against giving the Nazi salute in the UK.

Oh, so they're cowards as well as evil? Figures.

In the comments sections of the papers covering this you can find people along with the fascist axis bloggers referencing this as the start of "rivers of blood", a reference I've linked so you understand what it means. It goes along with "the 14 words", basically the David Lane american version.

re: #133 metrolibertarian

That sounds amusingly like the story of the 19th Century American preacher William Miller who led his flock to a hill waiting for the rapture only to experience what is referred to as the Great Disappointment.

The Great Disappointment gave rise to the Seventh Day Adventists, which would go on to fuel creationism and anti-science.

re: #101 iceweasel

It's possible, if unlikely, that these fools' grandfathers and greatgrandfathers were part of the BUP, which was basically the forerunner to the BNP. But I doubt it.

I'm going to give Granddad the benefit of the doubt. I'm enjoying this picture of a cozy little heavenly pub.

re: #114 Sharmuta

It makes me think people like geller and spencer were never in the counter-jihad because of principles, but rather for ideology. There is a distinction.

I opposed religious supremacism because of American/Enlightenment principles. They oppose islam because they think their faith is better. Because their opposition is based on bigotry, they're free to make deals with the devil himself to stop their enemies. Their opposition isn't based on the same foundation as mine. These aren't allies to my cause- they're a different version of the same problem.

Excellent comment. Quoted because it's so good!

re: #7 MandyManners

Someone else gives that salute.

He murdered a little Jewish girl by smashing her head against a rock, and he's treated like a rock star.

re: #33 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this Townhall blog for a real dose of wingnut craziness:

[Link: PatmosIsle.blogtownhall.com...]

How come there is an across the board inverse correlation between nuttiness of the content with atrocity of html formatting?

re: #129 sattv4u2

On the negative side, OIL pushed over $73.50 a barrel (up from the low $72 's )

Anything over $60 makes shale oil more economically viable IIRC

ugh. Work calls. BBL

re: #134 wrenchwench

I think it's a little sad we'd have to spell it out so plainly, but then again- with more new people looking at LGF these days, perhaps it's good to clarify the distinction.

re: #141 iceweasel

Updinging this even though it squicks me, at least the third sentence does. Doesn't strike me as relevent at all in that it describes a wholly different situation in which the women in question had no choice whatsoever.

I loathe Gellar and agree with everything else you've said. She's crazy, and she's a hatemonger and fascist. The shrieking harpy would have no hesitation, ever, about yowlingly persecuting groups to which she does not belong. She would also be shocked, shocked, to discover that the people she so happily allies with would happily discard her as well.
She's a collaborator.

what's the distinction between allied with or being one of them...seems to me she is the latter...if there is a difference, it escapes me at the moment...why would they discard her rather than embrace her?...is she Jewish?

re: #149 ohpleaseno

How come there is an across the board inverse correlation between nuttiness of the content with atrocity of html formatting?

Something to do with people that are stupid enough to buy into the content are also stupid enough to ignore the layout of said content, I'd imagine.

re: #147 iceweasel

Thanks. Reine was an inspiration for me.

re: #148 Alouette

He murdered a little Jewish girl by smashing her head against a rock, and he's treated like a rock star.

Nissenbaum is an asshole.

[Link: washingtonbureau.typepad.com...]

re: #141 iceweasel

Geller's situation is different, because she is promoting their agenda, knowing full well what they represent. A woman in the middle of war and genocide - ultimately it's about survival. It's two completely different scenarios, save for the Nazis finding some useful, and thinking nothing of slaughtering the rest.

re: #113 MandyManners

What a bunch of chickenshits! If they're all so fired up about that goose-stepping motherfucker Hitler, why not stand up like men and be counted?!

Because they might get arrested. And there might be Muslims in the cell.

///

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anything over $60 $25 makes shale DOMESTIC oil EXPLORATION AND DRILLING more economically viable IIRC

ftfy

Astronomy Picture of the Day

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Because they might get arrested. And there might be Muslims in the cell.

///

They have more in common than these Nazis-come-lately think.

re: #153 albusteve

what's the distinction between allied with or being one of them...seems to me she is the latter...if there is a difference, it escapes me at the moment...why would they discard her rather than embrace her?...is she Jewish?

Yes- she's Jewish. There is little distinction between fascists and those who enable them. They are willing to ally with her because she's an effective shield from criticisms that the fascists are anti-Semites. In other words, she's a useful idiot.

re: #126 theheat

I hope it's at least an active volcano, so they aren't terribly disappointed.

I think the police eventually raid the compound and make everyone go back down the hill. The preacher is really bad nuts--electric wire to prevent people from getting out and the like.

re: #156 MandyManners

Nissenbaum is an asshole.

[Link: washingtonbureau.typepad.com...]

Don't insult assholes.

re: #145 Sharmuta

and I believe the Branch Davidians were an "extreme" offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventists if I remember my 11th grade report on the group.

re: #162 Sharmuta

Yes- she's Jewish. There is little distinction between fascists and those who enable them. They are willing to ally with her because she's an effective shield from criticisms that the fascists are anti-Semites. In other words, she's a useful idiot.

I did not know that...thanks...nice set up

re: #133 metrolibertarian

That sounds amusingly like the story of the 19th Century American preacher William Miller who led his flock to a hill waiting for the rapture only to experience what is referred to as the Great Disappointment.

Main difference is that William Miller apparently wasn't forcing anyone to stay put, and seriously believed this would happen.

Poor man.

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Astronomy Picture of the Day

Nice!

Another addition for my screensaver collection.

re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

Ehh... I'd like to do some investigating on that myself.

The vid that Charles posted clearly showed the nazi salute. 4 fingers outstretched, arm outstretched. Closed fist is not nazi salute, 2 fingers out is not nazi salute. Sorry... They've changed it? How silly is that. The entire idea is that it's recognizable or it was. Otherwise what's the point in using it. The swastika is recognizable. A secret salute wouldn't mean anything.

They're making it illegal in Germany to stick out your arm and stretch out 2 fingers? That's insanity. How many concerts have I been to that I've done that. Or pumped my fist in the air. Please. You cannot equate this to the swastika or the Nazi salute. Maybe they should chop everyone's hands off then there won't be any issue, ever, anywhere.

These people are racists, absolutely, but the nazi salute is not in those still photos.

I have a problem with EVERYTHING being related to nazism. It belittles the Holocaust and the memory of our people. Not everyone you hate is Hitler, not every outstretched arm is a nazi salute.

The British Police are meant to be the fascists?

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

Hiya Buzz! Missed ya!

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Was this land they just happened to set up camp on, or is it owned by the cult - or do you know? It amazes me how so many of these cult figures acquire substantial real estate holdings, usually under a tax-exempt status. They always seem to have lots of money at their disposal.

re: #165 metrolibertarian

They were. I did a lot of research about them. It's quite the incredible story - incredible in the sense of how bloody outrageous the whole ordeal was. Whenever I see a story about them I feel terrible for the children involved.

re: #168 Racer X

I read an article recently that new research shows that all those giant heads once had big red hats on them.

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

In addition, Arizona used the swastika on their state route shields until after WWII.

Perfectly good symbol, now pretty thoroughly tainted in so much of the world.

re: #169 marjoriemoon

The one Charles linked definitely shows the "hitler groet" or nazi salute, there are also half assed versions of the salute in other vids you can see posted at some of the other right extreme blogs covering this.

I don't agree with outlawing the sign, I'm just pointing out that it is a recognized nazi salute, the half-assed "sekret sign" version. I'd link but I don't want to give these pissheads traffic.

re: #97 Thanos

Please note that some of these EDL people are flashing the newer version of the nazi salute (I clicked out to some of the vids.) This is a way to give a secret "nazi salute" without it being identifiable world wide as one. This is two fingers extended with the thumb out. It's outlawed in Germany. The other is with both arms outstretched with hands open. A lot of Nazi and niew recht youth groups are using this symbolism in Europe now. (You can find the outlawed "two finger version" in this PDF on page 15. )

That's a bit tricky.

EVERY soccer fan in Europe does that.

Otherwise, you mean to tell me that they've hijacked "The Shocker???"

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I read an article recently that new research shows that all those giant heads once had big red hats on them.

you can tell they all have 'hat hair'...

re: #179 Ben Hur

That's a bit tricky.

EVERY soccer fan in Europe does that.

Otherwise, you mean to tell me that they've hijacked "The Shocker???"

Yes.

re: #153 albusteve

what's the distinction between allied with or being one of them...seems to me she is the latter...if there is a difference, it escapes me at the moment...why would they discard her rather than embrace her?...is she Jewish?

Yep. And proud of it, allegedly.

re: #174 buzzsawmonkey

Scares the crap out of me when people disappear from LGF for a few days. Especially the ones that I like.

I killed a spider for my wife (it is what we do!) and flushed it... came back and told her "Zee spider sleeps with zee feces."

re: #171 Ben Hur

The British Police are meant to be the fascists?

The British Police and the group "United Against Fascism" are fascists. And Richard Dawkins according to Bill O'Reilly. Britain seems to have more fascists than Italy in the late 30s.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I read an article recently that new research shows that all those giant heads once had big red hats on them.

LOL!

re: #181 Thanos

Yes.

Have they no decency??

Seriously though, thank for the PDF.

re: #178 Thanos

The one Charles linked definitely shows the "hitler groet" or nazi salute, there are also half assed versions of the salute in other vids you can see posted at some of the other right extreme blogs covering this.

I don't agree with outlawing the sign, I'm just pointing out that it is a recognized nazi salute, the half-assed "sekret sign" version. I'd link but I don't want to give these pissheads traffic.

Now what Walter said may absolutely be true. They wanted to give THE salute, but chickened out and just kinda stuck their hand up there with a couple fingers. You'd almost have to have a video of the event to see what they were doing. I don't believe the photos really capture it.

I don't disagree with you if you say it. I'll take a look.

re: #169 marjoriemoon

I knew someone would try to make that point, but the salute in the photograph is definitely the Nazi salute, slightly modified in order to give them deniability. Why would you want to grant them the deniability they're going for?

Not much of a disguise, either.

Reminds me of that guy from Bazooka Joe.

re: #190 buzzsawmonkey

So, since I don't have any idea what that means, I'll assume that it was a good thing...

re: #33 Charles

That's not surprising considering who own's Townhall.

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Perfectly good symbol, now pretty thoroughly tainted in so much of the world.

I feel bad for the Indians who lost a peaceful symbol. They can't even take it back at this point. It's forever embedded in our minds as evil.

re: #187 marjoriemoon

Now what Walter said may absolutely be true. They wanted to give THE salute, but chickened out and just kinda stuck their hand up there with a couple fingers. You'd almost have to have a video of the event to see what they were doing. I don't believe the photos really capture it.

I don't disagree with you if you say it. I'll take a look.

I need to correct you. I never said they "wanted to give THE salute, but chickened out..." Before Thanos posted his information about other variations of the salute, I only suggested that what they were doing was a half-hearted salute that could have some measure of deniability if needed.

I never suggested that they weren't using a Nazi salute.

re: #179 Ben Hur

That's a bit tricky.

EVERY soccer fan in Europe does that.

Otherwise, you mean to tell me that they've hijacked "The Shocker???"

They hijack everything they can get their hands on- such as support for Israel and the counter-jihad. Whatever helps them gain a following and acquire power- they'll hijack it.

re: #173 theheat

Was this land they just happened to set up camp on, or is it owned by the cult - or do you know? It amazes me how so many of these cult figures acquire substantial real estate holdings, usually under a tax-exempt status. They always seem to have lots of money at their disposal.

This is a novel, so I'm not sure the characters know. I certainly don't. Sorry if that wasn't clear--it's fiction.

re: #185 Racer X

Giant statues give up hat secret

Each hat, weighing several tonnes, was carved from volcanic rock. They were placed on the heads of the famous statues all around the coast of the island.

However, precisely how and why the hats were attached is unknown.

re: #188 Charles

I knew someone would try to make that point, but the salute in the photograph is definitely the Nazi salute, slightly modified in order to give them deniability. Why would you want to grant them the deniability they're going for?

Charles, I never tried to make that point, what marjoriemoon wrote is NOT what I said... see my first post on this at re: #28 Walter L. Newton

re: #196 Sharmuta

I agree with you 100%.

Google "the shocker."

re: #200 Ben Hur

I agree with you 100%.

That's why I like you. ;)

re: #188 Charles

I knew someone would try to make that point, but the salute in the photograph is definitely the Nazi salute, slightly modified in order to give them deniability. Why would you want to grant them the deniability they're going for?

I strongly believe that certain symbols represent Nazism. I didn't read anywhere they were trying to change those symbols. Personally, I would very upset if every outstretched arm was a nazi salute. They already ruined the swastika, why let them ruin everything?

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Giant statues give up hat secret

OMG.

Hassids celebrating Easter!?!?

The most scurrilous part of this is that you have a woman on her knees for the modern Nazis accusing Obama of creating Nazi youth.

re: #194 marjoriemoon

I feel bad for the Indians who lost a peaceful symbol. They can't even take it back at this point. It's forever embedded in our minds as evil.

The peaceniks took Churchill's V for Victory.

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Giant statues give up hat secret

so they are "adze hats"...(sorry couldn't resist)

re: #202 marjoriemoon

I strongly believe that certain symbols represent Nazism. I didn't read anywhere they were trying to change those symbols. Personally, I would very upset if every outstretched arm was a nazi salute. They already ruined the swastika, why let them ruin everything?

And marjoriemoon, I never said anything like that, you totally misstated what I said.

Anyone can go back up thread and see all my posts on this topic and see that I agree that this is a Nazi salute.

Please stop implying something I never said.

re: #204 Thanos

The most scurrilous part of this is that you have a woman on her knees for the modern Nazis accusing Obama of creating Nazi youth.

I got mental whip-lash reading that.

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the Wiki pictures is of a Native American youth basketball team from, I don't know, maybe the 20s. Swastikas on their jerseys.

My elementary school, built in the teens or twenties, has a large swastika tile mosaic on the floor in the main entryway, along with other native American symbols. I only saw it once, during some renovation; it was more or less permanently buried underneath a very large floormat. The lobby it led to had wonderful frescoes depicting the legend of Hiawatha, life size, completing the Indian theme of the building.

The neighborhood has turned to complete shit over the years. I should stop by there and see if those frescoes are still intact, or if some moron has painted over them.

Anyway, the swastikas are from a more innocent age. The symbol is now forever stained by it's association with subsequent evil.

re: #202 marjoriemoon

I strongly believe that certain symbols represent Nazism. I didn't read anywhere they were trying to change those symbols. Personally, I would very upset if every outstretched arm was a nazi salute. They already ruined the swastika, why let them ruin everything?

Not every outstretched arm is a Nazi salute. But an outstretched arm by a member of the English Defense League -- yes, that's a Nazi salute.

re: #204 Thanos

The most scurrilous part of this is that you have a woman on her knees for the modern Nazis accusing Obama of creating Nazi youth.

I think her principles evolve according to blog hits and speaking engagement frequency...another day, another fraud

re: #204 Thanos

The most scurrilous part of this is that you have a woman on her knees for the modern Nazis accusing Obama of creating Nazi youth.

She's got gall.

re: #211 Charles

Not every outstretched arm is a Nazi salute. But an outstretched arm by a member of the English Defense League -- yes, that's a Nazi salute.

An interesting aside:

In Israel, children don't "raise their hands" to answer a question.

To do so would mean raising your hand like a Nazi salute.

So they point into the air.

re: #204 Thanos

The most scurrilous part of this is that you have a woman on her knees for the modern Nazis accusing Obama of creating Nazi youth.

That's among many scurrilous parts. Good job ferreting out the nut of it.

From Pamela's pictures it looks like the anti-BNP protester could be said to be "getting the royal treatment" only if "the royal treatment" includes getting bitten by a German shepherd, getting dragged away by your sweater, and getting tackled

It's pretty obvious that those police were necessary to protect the BNP Nazis from the Anti-Fa types--and that they were pretty aggressive in doing so.

The interpretation presented in her post is quite Orwellian.

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

And marjoriemoon, I never said anything like that, you totally misstated what I said.

Anyone can go back up thread and see all my posts on this topic and see that I agree that this is a Nazi salute.

Please stop implying something I never said.

Sorry if I misread you.

These groups are racists. Absolutely, with no doubt. I'm just making an assessment of one symbol. Ok, Walter I won't address you then, I'll address Thanos.

I can certainly understand since many countries outlaw Nazi symbols, that the Nazis would be trying to change them. That, of course, makes sense, but it seems quite unfair to the majority of their citizens. Accidentally stick out your finger to hail a can and you're arrested? Do you see where that can go?

re: #211 Charles

Not every outstretched arm is a Nazi salute. But an outstretched arm by a member of the English Defense League -- yes, that's a Nazi salute.

Well, that I can buy!

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

the lying rhetoric of "brotherhood" which is the left's standard currency

This is a sweeping and offensive generalisation, just as much as if I were to claim that the lying rhetoric of 'individual rights and privacy' is the standard currency of the right.

There is nothing at all 'lying' or 'rhetorical' about endorsing a notion of equality (or as you would put it, 'brotherhood'), any more than it is is lies or rhetoric when the right talks about personal responsibility and privacy.

There are liars and hypocrites on both sides who employ these terms for rhetorical purposes. That does not drain the terms of meaning, nor mean that everyone 'on the other side' is a liar and hypocrite.

re: #216 philosophus invidius

Both sides are pretty atrocious. There's nobody to root for in this situation.

re: #206 debutaunt

The peaceniks took Churchill's V for Victory.

I didn't know that, but I'm ok with it :)

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Giant statues give up hat secret

Oh crap I thought you were kidding. Now that is strange. Red hats. Were they ladies?
Red Hat Society

re: #217 marjoriemoon

Sorry if I misread you.

These groups are racists. Absolutely, with no doubt. I'm just making an assessment of one symbol. Ok, Walter I won't address you then, I'll address Thanos.

I can certainly understand since many countries outlaw Nazi symbols, that the Nazis would be trying to change them. That, of course, makes sense, but it seems quite unfair to the majority of their citizens. Accidentally stick out your finger to hail a can and you're arrested? Do you see where that can go?

it's the cans!...get away from the cans!

re: #217 marjoriemoon

Accidentally stick out your finger to hail a can and you're arrested? Do you see where that can go?

Or even worse:

re: #224 albusteve

it's the cans!...get away from the cans!

LOL Those bright yellow cans you hail!

PIMF, but only when I'm not in a hurry, I guess.

re: #221 marjoriemoon

I didn't know that, but I'm ok with it :)

Why?

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re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

The way the Left has "endorsed" (or, for that matter, lived up to) this "notion"--yes, there is.

Wrong. Your kneejerk hatred for American ideologies not your own is clouding your judgement.

re: #225 Ben Hur

Or even worse:

lol the blond was pissed.

in this country, we are equal under the rule of law, supposedly...otherwise not so much no matter how much legislation or money you throw at it

re: #220 Killgore Trout

THose euro-lefties like to mix it up. I'll root for them in this fight. But my point is that the interpretation of the pictures is almost 180 degrees contrary to reality. Hence the police are the fascists--for trying to protect the right to protest even by those despicable thugs.

re: #227 debutaunt

Why?

Why? Because the V symbol is a peaceful symbol. And sometimes war is a necessary thing to make peace.

re: #216 philosophus invidius

From Pamela's pictures it looks like the anti-BNP protester could be said to be "getting the royal treatment" only if "the royal treatment" includes getting bitten by a German shepherd, getting dragged away by your sweater, and getting tackled

It's pretty obvious that those police were necessary to protect the BNP Nazis from the Anti-Fa types--and that they were pretty aggressive in doing so.

The interpretation presented in her post is quite Orwellian.

This was EDL, not BNP - the "BNP" you see on the signs are all anti-BNP signs carried by AFA activists. While there are definitely BNP people in EDL, they are trying to keep the association/affiliation under the covers. Think "armed wing / Political Wing"

re: #233 marjoriemoon

Why? Because the V symbol is a peaceful symbol. And sometimes war is a necessary thing to make peace.

I liked the symbol as the one for Victory. It has an interesting history in France when the Underground painted it on walls as a protest.

re: #225 Ben Hur

That'd be a fun guy to have a beer with.

re: #230 marjoriemoon

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One of my favorite videos. I think it should be the seed for a future NYC ad campaign.

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

"American ideologies?" What on earth are you babbling about?

Better yet, don't bother to tell me.

You're condemning all of the left, as usual. And you're resulting to personal insults when called out on it, as usual.

OT: Funny headline
In India, New Seat of Power for Women

In India, More Women Demand Toilets Before Marriage

Seems fair enough.

re: #236 debutaunt

I liked the symbol as the one for Victory. It has an interesting history in France when the Underground painted it on walls as a protest.

Doesn't it sometimes still mean Victory? I've seen it used in some contexts, mostly overseas where it seems to be victory more than peace.

re: #241 bosforus

OT: Funny headline
In India, New Seat of Power for Women

Seems fair enough.

...and the whole seat up/seat down debate penetrates a new continent.

re: #242 marjoriemoon

Doesn't it sometimes still mean Victory? I've seen it used in some contexts, mostly overseas where it seems to be victory more than peace.

To me it stands for Victory and freedom. I don't know what other meanings it has.

re: #179 Ben Hur

That's a bit tricky.

EVERY soccer fan in Europe does that.

Otherwise, you mean to tell me that they've hijacked "The Shocker???"

That's Bill Shankly fucked then:

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re: #242 marjoriemoon

Be careful how you use the "V" hand symbol overseas...when you turn your hand the wrong way , it is an F-U symbol in Britain...

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

Ice, perhaps Buzz hasn't seen your new videos yet? I'd say this deserves a Glenn Beck, myself.

re: #244 SixDegrees

...and the whole seat up/seat down debate penetrates a new continent.

Their sitcoms will gain about 40 years worth of material.

re: #247 charles_martel

Be careful how you use the "V" hand symbol overseas...when you turn your hand the wrong way , it is an F-U symbol in Britain...

Did not know that. I know that the a-ok sign is a no-no. It means asshole in some places. They say to use Thumbs up instead.

I'll think I'll keep my hands in my pockets and just nod when I'm traveling.

Knock of the personal attacks guys. Geez!

re: #249 bosforus

Their sitcoms will gain about 40 years worth of crappy material.

No pun intended.

re: #242 marjoriemoon

Doesn't it sometimes still mean Victory? I've seen it used in some contexts, mostly overseas where it seems to be victory more than peace.

Yes. It was originally V for victory in Churchill's usage (palm inward), but for most of Britain that sign meant something very rude. He allegedly switched to the palm-outward gesture as a result of learning this, which is the same sign Nixon picked up (to mean victory) and the peace movement in the US adopted as well, none of them ever knowing the original sign and its rude usage in the UK.

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

I gave you a thumbs up solely because I used to live in Nogales.

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's one I'll catch when it comes to cable.

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Knock of the personal attacks guys. Geez!

Knock them off too!
(shit)

re: #250 marjoriemoon

I've heard that the thumbs-up gesture in Iran is also an F-U gesture.

So, thumbs up, Ahmadinejad!

re: #255 tradewind

That's one I'll catch when it comes to cable.

Make sure you do. I thought it was a masterpiece.

The middle finger is not hijackable. It's too universally known.