Is Gov. Rick Perry Suppressing an Investigation Into a Possible Wrongful Execution?

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US News • Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:00 am PDT • Views: 329

Is Texas Governor Rick Perry trying to quash an investigation into whether an innocent man was executed? The evidence is mounting.

(CNN) — Texas Gov. Rick Perry has removed a fourth member of a state commission charged with investigating claims that an innocent man may have been executed, his office said.

The Texas governor has now replaced all of the four members that, under law, he is allowed to appoint to the commission. The remaining five members are appointed by the state’s lieutenant governor and attorney general.

Perry’s critics say his actions are politically motivated, a charge he denies.

The investigation into claims that faulty evidence led Texas to execute an innocent man in 2004 was at a “crucial point” when the shakeup occurred, one of the replaced members said.

The commission was to hear from the author of a scathing report in the case of the executed man, Cameron Todd Willingham, when Perry announced on September 30 that he would replace three members.

The session was postponed indefinitely because of the new appointments, and Perry’s critics accused him of trying to quash the Willingham probe.

“I think people are making a lot of this issue,” Perry said earlier.

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1 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:01:43am

Certainly doesn't look good, whatever the case.

2 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:03:06am
Asked earlier whether the governor wants to see the Willingham investigation go forward, Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger told CNN, "That's a decision of the commission."

heh

3 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Certainly doesn't look good, whatever the case.

Yes, it certainly looks suspicious. Right now, it doesn't pass the smell tast.

4 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:04:18am
“I think people are making a lot of this issue,” Perry said earlier.

Gee, ... ya think maybe there's a good reason?

5 medaura18586  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:07:00am

Gratuitously OT, but has anyone seen this?

Image: GELLERTX.jpg

The Shrieking Harpy is advertising an intimate evening with herself at her blog... There must be bloody noses over that evening. Who the lucky companion will be...

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:07:00am

Trial by Fire ... Did Texas execute an innocent man?
by David Grann
The New Yorker
Sept. 7th

/Hat tip to a Lizard whom I don't remember

7 Millicent Islam  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #4 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, ... ya think maybe there's a good reason?

Yes. He's embroiled in a bitter primary struggle and wants the issue to go away.

8 redshirt  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:08:18am

Oh that is seriously not good.
This needs complete sunshine.

9 Merryweather  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:09:16am

Did anyone actually learn anything from Watergate? The cover up is more likely to get you, not the crime/massive screw-up. If Perry's covering up that is, which admittedly hasn't been proven yet. But it's looking increasingly likely that that's the case.

10 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #7 iceweasel

Yes. He's embroiled in a bitter primary struggle and wants the issue to go away.

No, I actually meant a good reason for people "making a lot of it".

/but you're also correct

11 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:10:24am

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12 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:10:30am

The most compelling argument against execution is the innocent can and do get wrongly convicted. Innocent of THAT crime anyway.

13 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:10:46am

re: #5 medaura18586

Really? Ew. Whoever it is, I hope he's had his shots...

14 screaming_eagle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:11:37am

re: #9 Merryweather

What? Politicians learn something from history? I got some beachfront property in Arizona...

15 Millicent Islam  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:12:11am

Houston Chronicle:

Just 88 minutes before the February 2004 execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, Gov. Rick Perry’s office received by fax a crucial arson expert’s opinion that later ignited a political firestorm over whether Texas, on Perry’s watch, used botched forensic evidence to send a man to his death.

In a letter sent Feb. 14, three days before Willingham was scheduled to die, Perry had been asked to postpone the execution. The condemned man’s attorney argued that the newly obtained expert evidence showed Willingham had not set the house fire that killed his daughters, 2-year-old Amber and 1-year-old twins Karmon and Kameron, two days before Christmas in 1991.

On Feb. 17, the day of the execution, Perry’s office got the five-page faxed report at 4:52 p.m., according to documents the Houston Chronicle obtained in response to a public records request.

But it’s unclear from the records whether he read it that day. Perry’s office has declined to release any of his or his staff’s comments or analysis of the reprieve request.

This guy was innocent. Perry was his last chance. And for all we know, Perry didn't even read the final report before letting the execution go through.
Now he's firing the forensics experts on the commission because he knows what they'll find. The same as what others have found: he was innocent.

[Link: www.chron.com...]

16 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:13:43am

I've been following this for a little while. The bottom line is that surprise, surprise Texas, which has a long history of all sorts of shenanigans to keep execution numbers high, got sloppy and executed a man in a case where there is a great deal of reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

I detest this evil crap.

I am not opposed to capital punishment per se. There are some cases where the evidence is sound enough and the crimes heinous enough that there really can be no other choice in my mind.

I consider the Case of Gary Heidnick, [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] to be an example. The DC area sniper is another example. There is no doubt as to the guilt of the men or the magnitude of their crimes.

But the fact is that most cases do not have such orgies of evidence as finding the perp in a specially modified car for sniping with the murder weapon and proof that he had been lining in that car for the period of the shootings - and this after other evidence led police to the perp in the first place.

The fact is that justice systems, however well run, are flawed.

The fact is that if the state executes an innocent, and it has happened many times, the state has committed murder itself.

The idea ought to be that we err on the side of extreme caution. The idea ought to be that it is better to lock up 100 guilty men then it is to execute one man falsely.

Texas however takes the opposite view. They believe that if you kill 100 and 10 were actually innocent then 9/10 ain't bad.

The GOP with it's populist, get tough on crime stuff and pushes to streamline appeals is saying the same thing. As a matter of course, the faster you go to execute and teh less review there is, the more wrongful executions there will be.

That is inescapable. However, politics being what it is, in the name of justice, executed innocent men are denied having their names cleared and worse, potentially innocent men on death row are still their while hordes slaver for some Roman sport.

It is simply evil.

17 Millicent Islam  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:14:11am

re: #12 Rightwingconspirator

The most compelling argument against execution is the innocent can and do get wrongly convicted. Innocent of THAT crime anyway.

Yes. Even if you support the death penalty, the possibility of an innocent man being executed is just unacceptable. And no matter how many checks and balances we have, that possibility always remains purely because of human error.

18 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:15:16am

Cover-up = Bad Idea.

Either Perry is truly stupid and politically tone deaf, or he's trying to hush something up. Or both.

I don't see how anything that might come out in the investigation could be worse than what people will imagine.

19 erraticsphinx  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:15:58am

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

Wasn't Texas involved in another execution controversy recently?
Something about a judge letting a guy die because she closed up shop early?

20 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:18:34am

Base information on the case for Cameron Todd Willingham's innocence is here

I've been wondering when the MSM was going to pick up on this one. It'd be one thing to admit a mistake was made and have a debate about the ethics and morality of capital punishment. It's another to try to sabotage a panel that's investigating the claim and obfuscate the situation even further. If you want a real piece of work of self justification in the face of strong evidence, you should read the prosecutor's editorial. (which I can't seem to find a link to, sorry)

Here's a question, is there anything stopping him from replacing the people he just replaced over and over and simply run out the clock? Besides impeachment that is?

21 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #19 erraticsphinx

Wasn't Texas involved in another execution controversy recently?
Something about a judge letting a guy die because she closed up shop early?

I don't know that one, but I do know of a Supreme court case involving Texas where prosectors stacked jury selection rules in such a way that only very pro death penalty people would be on the juries.

Texas lost BTW.

22 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:19:30am

re: #20 bloodstar

Base information on the case for Cameron Todd Willingham's innocence is here

I've been wondering when the MSM was going to pick up on this one. It'd be one thing to admit a mistake was made and have a debate about the ethics and morality of capital punishment. It's another to try to sabotage a panel that's investigating the claim and obfuscate the situation even further. If you want a real piece of work of self justification in the face of strong evidence, you should read the prosecutor's editorial. (which I can't seem to find a link to, sorry)

Here's a question, is there anything stopping him from replacing the people he just replaced over and over and simply run out the clock? Besides impeachment that is?

Since when have little things like scientific evidence and truth mattered to the Texas GOP?

23 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:20:01am

Seriously, if they screwed up, it's horrible. But they could at least say they've learned from it and will fight to improve the system.

If they screwed up and try to pretend nothing happened, then they are saying they think what they did is just fine, and they'd do the same thing next time. Which should make any decent human being want to puke.

24 zelnaga  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:22:40am

From the wikipedia.org article on Cameron Todd Willingham:

Willingham's wife, Stacy, had told prosecutors that he had never abused the children. "Our kids were spoiled rotten", she said and insisted he would never harm their children.

He then addressed his ex-wife, Stacy Kuykendall, who was watching about 8 feet away through a window. Willingham said, "I hope you rot in hell."


I must be missing something. His wife defended him and then, right before he died, he attacked her?

That said, wikipedia.org's article also includes the following quote from a jailhouse informant whose testimony was used in the conviction process:

Being locked up in that little cell makes you kind of crazy.


So maybe being locked up and on death row is what made him bitter towards his wife. Or maybe it wasn't... I dunno.

25 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:23:52am

Gov. Perry by his apparent misconduct seems to have botched the last clear chance to prevent a fatal miscarriage of justice.

On the other hand, I wonder why the lawyer came up with the exculpatory report only at the very last minute, and I also wonder why such persuasive new evidence was not brought before a Judge. Seems like the defence may have really screwed this one up.

26 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Exploding shell caused blast at Hezbollah home

Like the UN will do anything about it, except blame Israel

27 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #19 erraticsphinx

Wasn't Texas involved in another execution controversy recently?
Something about a judge letting a guy die because she closed up shop early?

You're thinking of Judge Sharon Keller and the person executed was Michael Richard

You could also look up the case of Charles Dean Hood for another example of insanity in the Texas justice system. I'm not saying Hood is innocent, but wow...

28 Merryweather  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:26:33am

re: #24 zelnaga

If I'd been sentenced to death for a crime I didn't commit, I'd be pretty damn bitter towards the whole frickin' world just before I was due to die.

29 Millicent Islam  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:26:49am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Gov. Perry by his apparent misconduct seems to have botched the last clear chance to prevent a fatal miscarriage of justice.

On the other hand, I wonder why the lawyer came up with the exculpatory report only at the very last minute, and I also wonder why such persuasive new evidence was not brought before a Judge. Seems like the defence may have really screwed this one up.

The (exculpatory) forensic report hadn't been done. I think there was an issue about new technologies making the exculpatory evidence clear-- therefore the evidence couldn't have been presented sooner, as our science just wasn't up to it yet. IIRC.

30 erraticsphinx  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:27:27am

re: #27 bloodstar

Yep, that's the one.

31 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:27:38am

I've been following this story on another site which has some good info...
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

I'd like to be very pro-death penalty but I lack faith in our judicial system to do the right thing in small cases so I'm having a hard time believing they'll do the right thing when the defendants life is on the line.

32 Merryweather  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:29:29am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

A screw up on the part of the defense wouldn't surprise me. People being tried for capital crimes don't usually get the best representation in court.

34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:30:48am

re: #31 RogueOne

I've been following this story on another site which has some good info...
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

I'd like to be very pro-death penalty but I lack faith in our judicial system to do the right thing in small cases so I'm having a hard time believing they'll do the right thing when the defendants life is on the line.

+1 Informative for The Agitator, reading some of the stuff that happens (and happens way more than ever should in America) is enough to leave me horror struck at how little people care about abuses of power that happen every day.

35 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #33 iceweasel
And here's the thing that could send Perry down into the darkness:

"In a clemency plea four days before the execution, Willingham's attorney raised questions about the forensics in the case. Perry has said he examined the information. But he did not delay the execution."

36 Merryweather  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:36:38am

I've always been against the death penalty because humans are by nature flawed and will therefore make mistakes, so it's a certainty that some innocent people will be convicted. I'd rather err on the side of caution and not risk putting an innocent person to death.

37 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:41:00am

re: #34 bloodstar

+1 Informative for The Agitator, reading some of the stuff that happens (and happens way more than ever should in America) is enough to leave me horror struck at how little people care about abuses of power that happen every day.

True. For those who want to get really upset:
[Link: www.google.com...]

His work detailing "puppycide" is frightening.

38 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:44:48am

rick perry is an A1 hypocrite.

Pro-Life... yet... um... yeah. Way to go Rick.

Sleep soundly at night - it won't come easy in the Hereafter.

39 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #5 medaura18586

Gratuitously OT, but has anyone seen this?

[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com...]

The Shrieking Harpy is advertising an intimate evening with herself at her blog... There must be bloody noses over that evening. Who the lucky companion will be...

404 Not found

40 Merryweather  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:51:07am

re: #38 wozzablog
It's not just Rick Perry - I'd wager that roughly 80% of those in the 'Pro-Life' movement support the death penalty. Which is why I think they need to change the name if they want to be taken seriously. What's wrong with 'anti-abortion'?

41 metrolibertarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:53:41am

In North Carolina we had someone named Alan Gell almost executed for a crime he didn't commit (however the guy is a total scumbag, Gell is in prison right now for fucking a 14 year old girl), and we just recently found out another person on death row was convicted of a murder he didn't commit based entirely on the testimony of two mid-teen drug addict girls who were coerced into testifying against him to face less time for their drug charge.

How anyone can support a system so obviously flawed is beyond me.

42 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #40 Merryweather

It's not just Rick Perry - I'd wager that roughly 80% of those in the 'Pro-Life' movement support the death penalty. Which is why I think they need to change the name if they want to be taken seriously. What's wrong with 'anti-abortion'?


because it makes Pretty in the Media to be Pro rather than Anti.

People are "For Traditional Marriage" when the speak - not against equal gay rights.

People are "For Responsible Gun Ownership" not "Against Responsible Gun Owership Laws".

43 Hawaii69  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #24 zelnaga

From the wikipedia.org article on Cameron Todd Willingham:


So maybe being locked up and on death row is what made him bitter towards his wife. Or maybe it wasn't... I dunno.


You didn't read far enough in the wikipedia entry:

"While she initially believed in her husband's innocence, following the trial she told him she no longer believed him and publicized her change of heart"

44 nogendavid  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:56:39am

The risk of error with the death penalty is not only in relation to "did he fire the gun?" There are more subtle questions; what was his intent? to scare the victim or harm him? to kill him or to wound him? And to what extent what the perpetrator mentally ill? To what extent was that illness beyond his control, or partly culpable - e.g., he voluntarily went off his meds? Consider also that any mitigating factor can be considered by a jury in deciding on death, and a jury can be mistaken (or not properly informed) about a number of crucial factors (e.g., perpetrator was subjected to serious physical abuse as a child).

This is not to say that some murders are not provably clear cut cases of inexcusable evil. Just saying that given the complexities of deciding whether a murder is within the range of the vast majority, which are horrible but do not result in death sentences, and the small faction or murders that do, there is much room for mistake beyond the whodunit part.

45 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:08:19pm

re: #43 Hawaii69

You didn't read far enough in the wikipedia entry:

"While she initially believed in her husband's innocence, following the trial she told him she no longer believed him and publicized her change of heart"

Ouch

I wonder how she feels now

46 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #24 zelnaga

From the wikipedia.org article on Cameron Todd Willingham:


So maybe being locked up and on death row is what made him bitter towards his wife. Or maybe it wasn't... I dunno.

No, she changed her opinion as to his guilt. Remember, she was an abused wife. It is fairly common for women stuck in domestic abuse to defend their abuser.

47 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:21:40pm

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Much of what Grann claims is b.s. I haven't had time to totally fisk it but he even contradicts facts in Beyler's report and in the response prepared by the current Fire Marshall for the City of Corsicana - both of which are based on the trial transcript. Grann also claims that a witness was offered a deal for his testimony. This is blatantly untrue.

48 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:25:39pm

re: #32 Merryweather

A screw up on the part of the defense wouldn't surprise me. People being tried for capital crimes don't usually get the best representation in court.

I beg to differ. Furthermore, in Willingham's case the defense found no expert to contradict the prosecution to testify at trial.

49 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:29:13pm

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

Tell me if I have summarized you incorrectly:

Capital punishment is theoretically moral.
In practice, it is inevitably state murder.

50 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #4 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, ... ya think maybe there's a good reason?

No. The finished report by the commission was not even expected to be completed until next Spring. Beyler submitted his report. He was scheduled to appear before the commission so they could ask him questions. Due to the new appointments, it has to be rescheduled so the new members can review what the commission has done. After Beyler testifies, the Fire Marshall is to testify. One of the problems, is that this case is old and the Fire Marshall has not been supplied with much of the evidence for him to review. Another big problem is what exactly is the commission's goal and Beyler's duties? He is acting like an advocate instead of an independent investigator. He is also all over the place as to the standard of review he is to apply when reviewing the evidence and preparing his report. This needs to be settled.

51 MinisterO  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #48 Jooly

I beg to differ.

You would really argue that people being tried for capital crimes usually get the best possible representation in court?


Furthermore, in Willingham's case the defense found no expert to contradict the prosecution to testify at trial.

This suggests to me that maybe, just maybe, the defense attorney didn't do the best possible job.

52 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:47:19pm

re: #33 iceweasel

More:

Ousted head of inquiry into blaze that led to execution says Perry aides pressured him

He should be pressured. This commission was created in 2005 - more than 4 years ago. The first order of business was Willingham and they aren't even close to being finished.

53 jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:00:32pm

re: #51 MinisterO

[I'm having difficulty posting. ]

Those tried for capital crimes get competent representation. That is the legal standard. They also get numerous reviews of that representation both in the state and federal courts to guarantee that it is competent.

This suggests to me that maybe, just maybe, the defense attorney didn't do the best possible job.

Then you would be wrong. How many years after the trial was it before they found an expert to claim that the science was allegedly faulty?

54 medaura18586  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:07:28pm

re: #39 reine.de.tout

Whoever posted it must have taken it down. But it's still on her own website. If you dare go there to look...

55 EvilDave3  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:18:45pm

Well, from the New Yorker story on this you CANNOT prove that the executed man was innocent only that there was room for reasonable doubt to ffind him not guilty.
"Not guilt" and "innocent' are not the same things. Although their Venn diagrams overlap.


Also, from the Volokh Conspiracy it seems more likely that the Governor is trying to push the committee results out past the election (primary March 2010 & real on Nov 2010).
The idea that the Committee report will never come out is laughable.


From the Volokh comments:

The terms [of the committee members] officially ended Sept. 1st
The committee members asked for, and expected to get, reassigned since they were still working on the case.
Instead of doing it on, or near, Sept. 1st, Perry waited until Sept. 30th, three days before the crucial testimony of the nationally-known fire expert who produced the report.
56 MinisterO  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:20:22pm

re: #53 jooly

Those tried for capital crimes get competent representation. That is the legal standard. They also get numerous reviews of that representation both in the state and federal courts to guarantee that it is competent.

"Competent" is not a synonym for "best".

I doubt the standard of competence in a court appointed attorney is a very high standard. I've read that more a fourth of those convicted of capital crimes and later found innocent were convicted primarily because of inadequate legal representation.

57 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #56 MinisterO

"Competent" is not a synonym for "best".

I doubt the standard of competence in a court appointed attorney is a very high standard. I've read that more a fourth of those convicted of capital crimes and later found innocent were convicted primarily because of inadequate legal representation.

Again, best is not a word that is used and it is not the legal standard. The standard is competent legal representation. You don't know what you are talking about. The court must review an attys background to make sure they are qualified before they are appointed. The court appoints two attorneys. They must have 10 years criminal trial experience, they must have at a minimum of 15 hours advanced training in representing capital cases - most have many many more hours and have attended week long seminars on capital cases offered yearly. And no, a fourth of capital crimes are not found innocent. That's pure bullshit.

58 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 4:48:39pm

re: #55 EvilDave3

Well, from the New Yorker story on this you CANNOT prove that the executed man was innocent only that there was room for reasonable doubt to ffind him not guilty.
"Not guilt" and "innocent' are not the same things. Although their Venn diagrams overlap.

Also, from the Volokh Conspiracy it seems more likely that the Governor is trying to push the committee results out past the election (primary March 2010 & real on Nov 2010).
The idea that the Committee report will never come out is laughable.

From the Volokh comments:

You can't prove anything from the New Yorker story because it is not evidence. There are so many misstatements of facts in it, it is ridiculous.

As to when the appointments ended, I will say that Perry had the name of his new appointments fairly quickly. So, it was not a last minute deal. Also, prior to the new appointments, the commission did not expect the report to be issued until March.

59 Jooly  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 4:50:26pm

I don't know why people keep saying this testimony was "crucial. " He already submitted his report so it's not like he is going to vary from it. This misplaced significance of the cancelled meeting is silly.

60 MinisterO  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 5:38:59pm

re: #57 Jooly

Work on the reading comprehension.


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 Frank says:

I have a message to deliver to the cute people of the world...if you're cute, or maybe you're beautiful...there's MORE OF US UGLY MOTHERF*CKERS OUT THERE! So watch out.