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1 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:00:47pm

I am very upset about this. Next thing you know they will remove the life-sized Michael Steele introduction video.

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:01:55pm

The GOP was against "Change!" before they were for it.

3 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:04:16pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP was against "Change!" before they were for it.

now they embrace change like a pay phone...which are now extinct of course

4 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:04:16pm

What up?

The original name of his blog isn't.

5 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:04:33pm

A good politician is always keeping his ear to the ground and his finger in the wind.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:04:43pm

Memory hole.

7 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:05:09pm

Shit, and my ark isn't done yet.

8 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:05:20pm

I like Michael's attempting to get more youth, hip hop, and inner city minorities involved in the Republican party, but if that's going to be his goal he needs to get someone more hip to help. This was a bit lame.

9 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:05:34pm

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Memory hole.

There'll be a new fail tomorrow.

10 freetoken  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:07:01pm

The problem with the selection of the "heroes" is that most of them are from the pre-Nixon "Southern Strategy" era. Remember, the GOP was the progressive party until TR left it... and then until Goldwater was a centrist-business party. Nixon's political wisdom of bringing in the racist South was a sure way to remake the GOP into something it wasn't before.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:07:39pm

re: #1 bratwurst

I am very upset about this. Next thing you know they will remove the life-sized Michael Steele introduction video.

Won't fit on my screen. You must have a very large monitor.

12 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:08:03pm

re: #8 Thanos

I like Michael's attempting to get more youth, hip hop, and inner city minorities involved in the Republican party, but if that's going to be his goal he needs to get someone more hip to help. This was a bit lame.

notable, but what about me?...mr average flyover pissed off gun owning working stiff...and there are millions like me

13 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #8 Thanos

I like Michael's attempting to get more youth, hip hop, and inner city minorities involved in the Republican party, but if that's going to be his goal he needs to get someone more hip to help. This was a bit lame.

They need more than hip help. They need to jettison the racists. Not just the high profile ones like Pat Buchanan but all of them. The Tea Party and Republican blogs are full of racist comments. When minorities see this stuff they go away and never look back.

14 erraticsphinx  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:08:29pm

re: #10 freetoken

I don't hate a lot of people. But I can unequivocally say that Richard Nixon was one of the most loathsome people who ever lived.

15 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:08:49pm

re: #10 freetoken

The problem with the selection of the "heroes" is that most of them are from the pre-Nixon "Southern Strategy" era. Remember, the GOP was the progressive party until TR left it... and then until Goldwater was a centrist-business party. Nixon's political wisdom of bringing in the racist South was a sure way to remake the GOP into something it wasn't before.

Yes - the Dixiecrats became the Dixiecans, hence we have White Supremacists blogging at Conservative blogs.

16 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:09:26pm

I understand there's going to be a lot of cliches on party websites, but this is beyond bad. From the "What we believe" section - You can be what you are, and become what you are capable of becoming

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:09:30pm
Change the Game

I'm so confused. I thought I was supposed to hate change. And hope.

Now what do I do?

18 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:09:34pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Shit, and my ark isn't done yet.

you made a huge mistake when you landed in Portland, rather than Albuquerque...can you snorkle?

19 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:10:51pm

re: #14 erraticsphinx

he caused alot of problems both in the party,and peoples confidence in national leaders.(not that that was all that high before him)when it came out how spiteful and petty he was(he had an enemies list fer crying out loud)

20 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:11:40pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

hope that things don't change???

21 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:12:16pm
22 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:12:24pm

re: #18 albusteve

...can you snorkle?

I practice when the basement floods. It's just like the tropics only colder and darker with spiders and electricity.

23 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:12:56pm

This was the lamest, attempted flail toward relevance since the Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show.

24 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:09pm

Please excuse my French in advance,

But this Republican leadership could fuck up a wet dream.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:13pm

re: #21 streetfighter

Ninja Stick Skills there Charles.

26 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #21 streetfighter

Buh bye now.

27 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:32pm

But it's not a game, it's reality.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:49pm

What was that 15 seconds?

29 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:58pm

re: #16 Flyers1974

I understand there's going to be a lot of cliches on party websites, but this is beyond bad. From the "What we believe" section - You can be what you are, and become what you are capable of becoming

Sweet Buddha on a ricecake. That sounds like a fake motivational poster or something from The Office.

30 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:13:59pm

Dammit. And here I was ready to accept this as the new theme song of the GOP. I'll have to put my cassingle back into the archives.

31 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:14:08pm

re: #21 streetfighter

That's the point it is charles place.a place to make a comment and if wrong be challenged on it...perhaps one of the echo chambers would be more to somes liking?

32 Athens Runaway  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:15:25pm

Thought I'd been banninated, but realized I was typing my name wrong.

How's everyone tonight

33 erraticsphinx  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:15:59pm

I cannot wait to see what happens when health care is old news and the immigration bill rolls around.
If you bring loaded guns to health care town halls, what do you bring to the immigration ones?


These people need to get out of the GOP and get on their own crazy train.

34 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:16:27pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and another one rubs the dogs tummy...

35 sagehen  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:16:27pm

re: #14 erraticsphinx

I don't hate a lot of people. But I can unequivocally say that Richard Nixon was one of the most loathsome people who ever lived.


He was also way, way too lefty for today's Republican Party.

Passed and signed EPA. OSHA. Affirmative Action. Wage and Price Controls. Title IX. Supported the Equal Rights Amendment, and Roe v. Wade. Opened relations with China.

The people who think he governed as a conservative... are only looking at Southeast Asia and the Rehnquist appointment.

36 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:17:12pm

There seems to be a campaign under way to harass me by sending donations through Paypal for $0.01, with an insulting message. I just refunded the 11th one of these.

37 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:17:56pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Sweet Buddha on a ricecake. That sounds like a fake motivational poster or something from The Office.

How about - Helping those around you is worthwhile.

38 erraticsphinx  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:18:02pm

re: #35 sagehen

Yeah, but his overriding quality was being an asshole and degrading the office of the presidency.

And today's GOP would definitely call him a RINO, I'm sure.

39 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:19:02pm

re: #36 Charles

There seems to be a campaign under way to harass me by sending donations through Paypal for $0.01, with an insulting message. I just refunded the 11th one of these.

That was thought up by ChenZhen a few weeks ago. He believes it costs you to take a donation for one cent because of paypal's term, or something.

40 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:19:03pm

I will not rest until a picture of my face is featured as part of "GOP faces" at the top

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:19:09pm

re: #34 Boondock St. Bender

Huh?

42 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:19:40pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

That was thought up by ChenZhen a few weeks ago. He believes it costs you to take a donation for one cent because of paypal's term, or something.

It doesn't.

43 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:19:56pm

re: #36 Charles

At least you can rest on the knowledge that you give their empty,petty,and sad little lives some meaning...

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:20:10pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Shit, and my ark isn't done yet.

I think I can jury-rig a raft out of all my old Tupperware containers, and that's what it may come to if this rain keeps up.

45 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:20:10pm

re: #42 Charles

I love egg on Chen's face. Thanks.

46 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:20:28pm

re: #37 Flyers1974

How about - Helping those around you is worthwhile.

"What are YOU like? What you are like says a lot about who YOU are"

47 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:21:15pm

Meanwhile Crazy pam is upset because the courtroom made her delete her photos of Rifqa, a minor at a trial, from her camera. I would wager there are laws about that. So of course she goes godwinian on the poor court clerk, I can see the screechy scene now.

48 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:21:49pm

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A play on a quote from the last thread,someone put up a post that they were rubbing their dogs belly and charles banned them.
guess you had to be there...lol

49 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:22:04pm

re: #42 Charles

It doesn't.

What a bunch of dipshits.

50 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:22:11pm

re: #35 sagehen

He was also way, way too lefty for today's Republican Party.

Passed and signed EPA. OSHA. Affirmative Action. Wage and Price Controls. Title IX. Supported the Equal Rights Amendment, and Roe v. Wade. Opened relations with China.

The people who think he governed as a conservative... are only looking at Southeast Asia and the Rehnquist appointment.

The wage and price controls proved to be dismal failures. Phase One, Phase Two, etc., bah!

He did, however, rescue Israel from extermination during the Yom Kippur war. So let not that good be interr'd with his bones.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:22:18pm

re: #8 Thanos

I like Michael's attempting to get more youth, hip hop, and inner city minorities involved in the Republican party, but if that's going to be his goal he needs to get someone more hip to help. This was a bit lame.

Yeah. Steele seems to be a pretty decent guy, but hip is not exactly his thing.

52 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:23:41pm

re: #49 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What a bunch of dipshits.

That's Chen!

53 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:23:53pm

somebody buy me this book please

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

54 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:00pm

re: #47 Thanos

wonder how pam would look in an orange jumpsuit

55 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:12pm

re: #38 erraticsphinx

speaking of RINOs, I don't think Christ Christie is one. I hope fellow NJ lizards are backing Chris.

56 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:14pm

re: #50 The Sanity Inspector

The wage and price controls proved to be dismal failures. Phase One, Phase Two, etc., bah!

He did, however, rescue Israel from extermination during the Yom Kippur war. So let not that good be interr'd with his bones.

That's one of the reasons I say I might vote for him again if faced with the same election even knowing what I know now.

57 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

I will not rest until a picture of my face is featured as part of "GOP faces" at the top

Can you do these? Typical faces by the GOP these days include: The "Flummoxed", the "apoplectic", the "dejected" and the ever popular "bemused".

58 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:55pm

re: #54 Boondock St. Bender

wonder how pam would look in an orange jumpsuit

She'd look "escaped."

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #12 albusteve

notable, but what about me?...mr average flyover pissed off gun owning working stiff...and there are millions like me

They assume you aren't going anywhere. Like me and the Democrats. I'm an urban, coastal, college-educated, Jewish, lower-middle-class, pro-choice woman. So they screw Hillary. What am I gonna do? Become a Republican? HAH!

They've got us nailed down, dude. Worst thing we'll do is become independents, and then vote for them anyway.

60 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:25:50pm

The GOP is so out of touch with reality it is embarrassing.

What up?
Change The Game?

Michael, spend a few hundred bones and hire some teenager to design your web site. Maybe conduct some research on a cool name. How hard can it be?

Oh and just stick to simple things - like the freaking $2 Trillion Dollar Deficit. Or the $14 Trillion Dollar Debt. Don't waste time on the stupid crap such as birth certificates, medals, and Czars.

Keep hammering the assholes and hypocrites who have been welcomed into the administration yet cannot figure out how to pay their fair share of taxes.

Propose a health care plan that makes sense and actually solves the problem of why costs are rising in the first place.

Keep it simple.

61 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:25:52pm

And now the biggest political morons of all are getting interested:

[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #16 Flyers1974

I understand there's going to be a lot of cliches on party websites, but this is beyond bad. From the "What we believe" section - You can be what you are, and become what you are capable of becoming

OK, if that was on a Democrat's website, no one would ever stop laughing. I'm not sure anyone will stop laughing as it is.

63 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

Can you do these? Typical faces by the GOP these days include: The "Flummoxed", the "apoplectic", the "dejected" and the ever popular "bemused".

was thinking more like the glenn beck, "crying butter ball of insanity" look

64 Filala  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:26:16pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

What do you look like?

65 cliffster  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:26:37pm

Sad. It's ridiculous that good conservative ideas get no voice, because of poor marketing. The ideals are not less valid just because the voice is dorky. I guess Madison saw it coming, but that doesn't make it any less sad.

66 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:26:49pm

re: #64 Filala

What do you look like?

click on my profile picture

67 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:27:25pm

re: #16 Flyers1974

I understand there's going to be a lot of cliches on party websites, but this is beyond bad. From the "What we believe" section - You can be what you are, and become what you are capable of becoming

Sounds a lot like "We are the ones we've been waiting for"...

///

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:27:30pm

re: #34 Boondock St. Bender

and another one rubs the dogs tummy...

The stalker blog has been complaining that we won't stop using the phrase 'flounce'. Perhaps 'rubs the dog' would be an acceptable substitute.

69 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:27:33pm

re: #66 SpaceJesus

click on my profile picture

You look like a freaking planet?

70 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:27:50pm

re: #55 sandbox

speaking of RINOs, I don't think Christ Christie is one. I hope fellow NJ lizards are backing Chris.

Let's get something straight: The Real RINOs back Pat Buchanan, Luap Nor, and the Dixiecrats.

71 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:28:05pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Lets not insult our beloved pets.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:28:20pm

re: #42 Charles

It doesn't.

So keep the money, dude.

73 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:28:21pm

OT: The Panda's Thumb has a roundup of some good evolution videos on YouTube.

74 webevintage  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:28:22pm

re: #42 Charles

It doesn't.

Keep the money then.
It will add up and then you can donate it to some organization they really, really hate.
Or go out for a nice dinner...

75 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:28:55pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

there you go...not to mention they would scratch their heads about it for a few days lol

76 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:29:16pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

somebody buy me this book please

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Can you not afford it? Or do you prefer others to pay for your stuff?

77 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:29:28pm

re: #70 Thanos

hear!hear!

78 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:29:29pm

re: #46 Jimmah

"What are YOU like? What you are like says a lot about who YOU are"

Check out the "I'm a Republican Because..." section, if you haven't already.

79 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:29:44pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

It would.

80 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:29:56pm

re: #76 Racer X

Maybe he can use that Free Obama Money.

81 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:08pm

re: #65 cliffster

Sad. It's ridiculous that good conservative ideas get no voice, because of poor marketing. The ideals are not less valid just because the voice is dorky. I guess Madison saw it coming, but that doesn't make it any less sad.

AmIdol politics...air time for fringe issues trumps everything else...it's all media driven, feasting on the ignorance of the electorate...I'm pretty cynical these days...I'll just hunker down while everybody screams "toss 'em out of the party!"...they are the party

82 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:13pm

re: #70 Thanos

Let's get something straight: The Real RINOs back Pat Buchanan, Luap Nor, and the Dixiecrats.

I confess: I read that name for days, wondering who the Vietnamese dude was, before the lightbulb came on.

83 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:15pm

re: #76 Racer X

Can you not afford it? Or do you prefer others to pay for your stuff?

I like presents

84 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:26pm

What if we matched each penny with a dime or quarter or... (Rich guys say $100) Turn this thing on them

85 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:30pm

re: #61 Charles

It always surprises me how closely some people read LGF.

86 sagehen  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:30:58pm

re: #67 talon_262

Sounds a lot like "We are the ones we've been waiting for"...

///

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it people like me.

87 st. louisville cards  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:31:26pm

What am I missing on this subject?
Steele looks to me like any 50+ year old who is trying to appeal to younger people. A bit lame sure, but why the ridicule?

88 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:31:38pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

It always surprises me how closely some people read LGF.

They seem to really fear the football. Maybe it's because of the archives.

89 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:31:47pm

re: #83 SpaceJesus

I like presents

Well, you got a birthday coming up in December. Maybe Santa will bring you something.

90 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:16pm

re: #76 Racer X

Can you not afford it? Or do you prefer others to pay for your stuff?

/insert Democrat joke here/

91 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:19pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Feel for ya. Only by luck am I not filling sandbags in Tujunga.

92 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:21pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

somebody buy me this book please

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I own it. It's really good.

93 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:23pm

re: #87 st. louisville cards

Because of the lame? He's party chairman and needs to be more effective than this.

94 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:29pm

re: #87 st. louisville cards

but why the ridicule?

Just to upset you personally.

95 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #89 Racer X

Maybe it'll be coal, if Obama doesn't bankrupt the coal industry by then.

/his words, not mine

96 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:33:44pm

re: #87 st. louisville cards

What am I missing on this subject?
Steele looks to me like any 50+ year old who is trying to appeal to younger people. A bit lame sure, but why the ridicule?

The lameness.

97 metrolibertarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:34:14pm

I wonder if Glenn Beck, since he's an avowed conservative independent, will do a segment on how the new blog has a picture of Frederick Douglas, whose hair is similar to Karl Marx's, and they use the color red, and communists were known as reds, and therefore the GOP has descended into communism.

98 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:35:53pm

re: #97 metrolibertarian

I wonder if Glenn Beck, since he's an avowed conservative independent, will do a segment on how the new blog has a picture of Frederick Douglas, whose hair is similar to Karl Marx's, and they use the color red, and communists were known as reds, and therefore the GOP has descended into communism.

I like how the GOP has to look back 100 years in order to find anybody who cared about human rights

99 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:36:36pm

More mockery: Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic

Top Ten Reasons why the GOP Website ReLaunch is fizzlin'

10. In a section devoted to "future leaders," there were none.
9. In the subsequent rush to get up a "future leaders" page, they choose "you."
8. The last GOP accomplishment cited on the accomplishment page was from 2004.
7. The what's up page -- hip! starts with this sentence: ""the internet has been around for a while now"
6. Administrator passwords were accidentally posted.
5. When the RNC hosted a kick-off conference call, the website was down.
4. The website cites Jackie Robinson as a GOP hero. Robinson wasn't a GOPer, and he criticized the GOP on race. Robinson left the party because of its views on race. He had been, as a reader points out, a Republican for many years.
3. The first question on the conference call was from an Hispanic Republican who asked why the GOP site didn't have a Spanish-language page and noted that the White House had one.
2. Bragging about web redesigns is so 2004.

1. It's not timed with the start of any major advocacy campaign -- or political campaign. And it portrays itself as something it's not: diverse and ready to embrace new ideas. That may be what the party leadership aspires to, but, at least when it comes to diversity, a few pictures of Hispanics and African Americans doesn't make up for ... well, the history of the party.


Blue State Digital's Joe Rospars says, "You know your web program is in trouble when your site can't even handle the traffic bump from people making fun of your web program."

Holy FAIL, Batman.

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:37:10pm

I think I'll make "Hot Air Comments of the Day" a regular feature at LGF. It's been very popular so far.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #97 metrolibertarian

I wonder if Glenn Beck, since he's an avowed conservative independent, will do a segment on how the new blog has a picture of Frederick Douglas, whose hair is similar to Karl Marx's, and they use the color red, and communists were known as reds, and therefore the GOP has descended into communism.

Douglass does have hair rather like Marx's. Never noticed that before.

102 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:37:21pm

re: #97 metrolibertarian

Zactly!teh COMMIES!!!

Fan of the captain of the 12th squad are you?
myself,i prefer kenpachi

103 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:37:56pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

I like how the GOP has to look back 100 years in order to find anybody who cared about human rights

Actually you can look back just a few months. Didn't Bush allocate more money in aid to the African continent than any other previous president?

104 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:38:32pm

Random musical interlude

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:38:48pm

re: #96 Jimmah

I used to be a chaperon for youth groups from my Church.

There was always a fifty-something "trying to be hip and missing it by a mile" guy or gal there.

One tell was the way that their Levis were ironed.

Mr. Steele kinda has that thing going on here.

106 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:39:21pm
107 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:39:47pm

re: #103 Racer X

Actually you can look back just a few months. Didn't Bush allocate more money in aid to the African continent than any other previous president?

That is a fact. Too bad the GOP didn't consult YOU before taking that turd online.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:40:16pm

re: #103 Racer X

Actually you can look back just a few months. Didn't Bush allocate more money in aid to the African continent than any other previous president?

Which I thought why he was snubbed by the Nobels.

109 researchok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:40:28pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

I like how the GOP has to look back 100 years in order to find anybody who cared about human rights

Are you implying that the GOP has a worse record on human rights than the Dems?

110 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:40:38pm

re: #106 TheMatrix31

But George Bush doesn't care about black people

/kanye

111 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:41:34pm

re: #110 TheMatrix31

But George Bush doesn't care about black people

/kanye

if your name is Kayne, probably not

112 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #104 Jimmah

Random musical interlude


pretty awful, your getting better

113 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:42:26pm

re: #106 TheMatrix31

Bush Saved 10 Million Lives

George Bush - the Rodney Dangerfield of the White House.

114 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:43:26pm

re: #36 Charles

There seems to be a campaign under way to harass me by sending donations through Paypal for $0.01, with an insulting message. I just refunded the 11th one of these.

That is going to cost Paypal more than $0.01 in overhead. Do they have a policy against using their service for harassment?

I suspect more than one of those are selling or buying something or other on Ebay using Paypal. Complain and hit em low.

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:44:24pm

re: #114 Naso Tang

Low and hard. Good thought.

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #106 TheMatrix31

Bush Saved 10 Million Lives

Interesting that the GOP doesn't think that's important enough to list on their "accomplishments" page. Don't you think?

117 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #114 Naso Tang

Charles got me banned from pay pal...for no good reason!!! lol

118 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:44:41pm

re: #100 Charles

I think I'll make "Hot Air Comments of the Day" a regular feature at LGF. It's been very popular so far.

They seem to enjoy the attention.

119 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:44:51pm

re: #103 Racer X

The problem is that, even to some in his own party, Bush is radioactive (especially to the hard-right nuts...I'm sure they consider him a RINO and worthy of the memory hole)

120 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:00pm

re: #104 Jimmah

Random musical interlude


[Video]

I like it!

121 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:10pm

re: #109 researchok

Are you implying that the GOP has a worse record on human rights than the Dems?

Nope, just highlighting how for a long time the republican party has almost completely switched ideologically from its liberal roots.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:13pm

re: #103 Racer X

Actually you can look back just a few months. Didn't Bush allocate more money in aid to the African continent than any other previous president?

Bush did quite good work with African aid. Is that up on this bleeping website? (Why am I helping?)

123 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:20pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

I like how the GOP has to look back 100 years in order to find anybody who cared about human rights

That is cheap, just because some jackass wrote a jackass piece.

124 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:39pm

re: #116 Charles

Interesting that the GOP doesn't think that's important enough to list on their "accomplishments" page. Don't you think?

But completely understandable as they are caught in the crazy wave of populist isolationism.

125 bluecheese  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:45:56pm

re: #116 Charles

Interesting that the GOP doesn't think that's important enough to list on their "accomplishments" page. Don't you think?

yes I do.

126 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:46:02pm

re: #116 Charles

Interesting that the GOP doesn't think that's important enough to list on their "accomplishments" page. Don't you think?

But school vouchers to learn creationism and Biblical literalism -- that gets prominently featured!

127 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:46:12pm

woops, meant to say civil rights instead of human rights

128 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:46:26pm

re: #116 Charles

gwb is poison now.they don't have the grapes to display something like that in this current climate.
History will tell a different tale.

129 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:46:35pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush did quite good work with African aid. Is that up on this bleeping website? (Why am I helping?)

No. They don't want it there.

130 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:46:40pm

Would have been nice if they put it, yes.

131 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:47:44pm

re: #116 Charles

Interesting that the GOP doesn't think that's important enough to list on their "accomplishments" page. Don't you think?

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors. Add that the GOP turned their back on him and here we are.

132 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:48:40pm

re: #127 SpaceJesus

actually i wonder what some of the votes on the bigger civil rights bills looked like.

133 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:48:43pm

The crazy wing sold out both Bush and McCain during the immigration bill and confirmation battles. They would have thrown them overboard like Specter if they could have at the time.

134 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:48:48pm

re: #104 Jimmah

Random musical interlude

Back atcha:

135 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:48:59pm

re: #131 Racer X

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors. Add that the GOP turned their back on him and here we are.

Too generalized.

136 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:49:02pm

re: #131 Racer X

And no, confronting detractors is NOT the same as directly calling out private news companies.

137 researchok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:49:20pm

re: #121 re: #127 SpaceJesus

woops, meant to say civil rights instead of human rights

On that I can agree.

FYI, you might find this of interest, The Missing Years.

138 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:49:27pm

re: #112 albusteve

pretty awful, your getting better

You just earned yourself some Laibach :

139 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #131 Racer X

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors.

And yet, quite a few LGF commenters were bashing Obama yesterday for doing just that, and calling Anita Dunn a "whiner."

140 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:50:10pm

re: #128 Boondock St. Bender

gwb is poison now.they don't have the grapes to display something like that in this current climate.
History will tell a different tale.

No, it's because they are pandering to bigots, social conservatives, and the theocrats, and so they don't want to feature GWB's tremendous contributions towards halting the spread of AIDS in Africa and helping people who were already infected.

It involves 1) sex 2) black people and 3) a disease those groups think of as ghey or about divine retribution for sexual immorality of one form or another.

That's why the GOP is in no rush to feature it. Too many of the people they're pandering to don't consider it an achievement. That's the ugly truth.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:50:29pm

re: #131 Racer X

Nicely said. He tried civility with his close enemies. Didn't do him much good.

But he went full-bore on easing suffering in Africa. I will always admire that part of his legacy.

142 freetoken  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:05pm

re: #130 TheMatrix31

BTW, I'm not reading anything into the choice of the color red in the GOP website. We are all hardwired by our genes to react to stimuli, in this case color, and in particular the color red.

The prominent use of such strong red on the webpage will, even if not consciously intended by the web designer (though I suspect it was a definite choice), elicit a response on the part of any viewer.

So besides being tacky, the website will serve the purpose of being an emotional stimulant.

143 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:15pm

re: #132 Boondock St. Bender

actually i wonder what some of the votes on the bigger civil rights bills looked like.

Me too, someone should compare how liberals and conservatives each voted regarding the civil rights bills.

144 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:17pm

re: #136 TheMatrix31

And no, confronting detractors is NOT the same as directly calling out private news companies.

Oh ... you meant those other detractors.

145 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:25pm

re: #134 The Sanity Inspector

Upding for SPARKS.

146 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:32pm

What go up; must go away.

147 metrolibertarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:39pm

re: #102 Boondock St. Bender

Zakari Kenpachi is my second favorite. Mayuri is a favorite partially for nostalgic reasons, as the voice actor in Japan was the voice actor for Freeza on DBZ in Japan (which my nerd ass recognized without needing to look up).

I'm annoyed they interrupted the Espada vs. Soul Society thing for some stupid side story about the Zanpakuto's fighting their owners in Japan currently...

148 researchok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:51:48pm

re: #140 iceweasel

No, it's because they are pandering to bigots, social conservatives, and the theocrats, and so they don't want to feature GWB's tremendous contributions towards halting the spread of AIDS in Africa and helping people who were already infected.

It involves 1) sex 2) black people and 3) a disease those groups think of as ghey or about divine retribution for sexual immorality of one form or another.

That's why the GOP is in no rush to feature it. Too many of the people they're pandering to don't consider it an achievement. That's the ugly truth.

A policy bought and paid for by the religious Right.

149 sagehen  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:52:10pm

re: #131 Racer X

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors. Add that the GOP turned their back on him and here we are.

Bush's biggest failure was trusting Donald Rumsfield over Colin Powell.

150 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:52:15pm

re: #140 iceweasel

if true,that is a sad commentary on the gop.

151 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:52:26pm

re: #140 iceweasel

Updinged for truth. Sad but true.

152 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:52:39pm

re: #106 TheMatrix31

Bush Saved 10 Million Lives

Interesting - from your link:


First, a surprise proclamation came on January 29, 2003.

I was in the first row in the House chamber when three quarters through his State of the Union address, the president boldly said: "I ask the Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years ... to turn the tide against AIDS in the most afflicted nations of Africa and the Caribbean" and "lead the world in sparing innocent people from a plague of nature."

And lead the world we did. No president in history had made such a commitment against a single disease. Those words and the action that followed meant that instead of another 30 million people dying from HIV infections, maybe just another 20 million will.

Later that night in an interview for CNN in my Capitol office, I predicted that five years later, this commitment to fight HIV would be the single most significant thing the president said that night. It was.

But even I -- who as physician in Africa had witnessed how this virus was hollowing out societies -- did not predict the huge global impact this Bush commitment would have on generations to come.

In my annual medical mission trips to Africa during the Bush administration, I saw the cost of treatment for HIV with life-saving antiretrovirals (ARVs) drop from $4,000 a year to $125. The number of Africans on ARVs jumped from 50,000 to 2.1 million.

And the multiplier effect of Bush making this a presidential global priority was reflected thereafter in every meeting I had as Senate majority leader with the world leaders, including those from Russia, China and India. If you were dealing with the United States, you'd better have made HIV a national priority, because we had.

And it was more than HIV. Six months ago, Tom Daschle, Mike Huckabee, John Podesta, Cindy McCain and I (yes, we five of different persuasions do work together!) went to Rwanda on a fact-finding trip.

Our visits with villagers all over the country opened our eyes to how Bush's five-year, $1.2 billion effort to combat malaria has provided 4 million insecticide-treated bed nets and 7 million life-saving drug therapies to vulnerable people.

Yes, George Bush the healer.

153 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:53:08pm

re: #143 Flyers1974

me thinks i got some research to do...

154 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:53:08pm

re: #131 Racer X

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors. Add that the GOP turned their back on him and here we are.

He was right to take the high road, though. His presidency would have been a never-ending flea hunt, if he had felt compelled to rebut every smear in the monthly glossies, CNN, and NPR. He had bigger tasks to grapple with.

155 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:53:22pm

re: #142 freetoken

BTW, I'm not reading anything into the choice of the color red in the GOP website. We are all hardwired by our genes to react to stimuli, in this case color, and in particular the color red.

The prominent use of such strong red on the webpage will, even if not consciously intended by the web designer (though I suspect it was a definite choice), elicit a response on the part of any viewer.

So besides being tacky, the website will serve the purpose of being an emotional stimulant.

I don't think it's even remotely that thought-out. They told the designer that the GOP's color was RED, and that was all she wrote.

156 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:54:41pm

re: #144 Charles

I don't think it's proper for leading officials/heads of government to directly call out specific companies.

If Bush said "You know, there's MSNBC, CNN, Jon Stewart, MTV...these guys have been saying a whole helluva lot of nasty things and you know what, theyre lying bigtime", it wouldn't be a good thing.

If Bush said "There are always different opinions and people taking shots, and of course, that's the way it should be, but I'll let my actions do the talking", then that's better.

157 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #131 Racer X

I think Bush' biggest failure was he failed to appropriately confront his detractors. Add that the GOP turned their back on him and here we are.

Do you mean that Bush personally should have confronted his detractors? Because Karl Rove certainly did, and far better than most prior political operatives.

158 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:55:41pm

re: #138 Jimmah

You just earned yourself some Laibach :


[Video]

re: #138 Jimmah

You just earned yourself some Laibach :


you know jimmah, I read every one of your posts and I open every one of your links and give them a try...my conclusion is that you are an alien of some sort...this medieval dirge is just more proof...with respect

159 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:55:52pm

re: #145 bratwurst

Upding for SPARKS.

"Where's the cool places?"

160 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:55:59pm

re: #150 Boondock St. Bender

if true,that is a sad commentary on the gop.

Its not true.

161 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:56:16pm

re: #148 researchok

A policy bought and paid for by the religious Right.

Who are responsible for the fact that none of the Bush policies included?...

Condom distribution. They stopped the supply of condoms to organizations that counselled clients on all legal reproductive health options.

Bush gets tremendous credit for what he did in Africa, but he did it despite the religious right, not because of it, and without their influence he very well could have saved even more.

162 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:56:41pm

re: #156 TheMatrix31

I don't think it's proper for leading officials/heads of government to directly call out specific companies.

And I'm sure you would have said the same thing if Bush had denounced MSNBC -- right?

163 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #160 Racer X

Its not true.

It is. Unpleasant, but true.

164 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:17pm

I'm travelling tomorrow, so I have to go, but I wanted to say that I don't understand that the GOP has not had a website (I don't travel that way so much). The Democrats have had one for years. I think it's called KOS.

165 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:23pm

re: #155 Charles

Charles, I did not think to go a "view page source" on the GOP's "turn on your database" "error page" to see if it was just their own html text. Did you happen to do it?



...turn on your database...


166 freetoken  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:25pm

re: #155 Charles

btw, Notice you have yet another new flouncer downstairs... the HA post certainly brought them out.

___


I'm not intending to give the GOP/designer too much credit here with the color choice...

167 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:37pm

re: #147 metrolibertarian

yeah,been following it,it wouldn't have been a bad arc for after the aizen confrontation.but now i can't wait for it to end.(been following it on eng.sub)

168 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:57:53pm

re: #161 iceweasel

I'm sure the EU would have given condoms, if W would not.

169 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:58:06pm

re: #154 The Sanity Inspector

He was right to take the high road, though. His presidency would have been a never-ending flea hunt, if he had felt compelled to rebut every smear in the monthly glossies, CNN, and NPR. He had bigger tasks to grapple with.

No shit.

A nation in turmoil after a cowardly attack, two wars, many of his opponents openly calling him a liar and a murderer. He handled it way better than I would have.

170 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:58:23pm

re: #159 The Sanity Inspector

"Where's the cool places?"

Here:

171 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:58:26pm

re: #155 Charles

we gotta get beck on the case!

172 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:58:43pm

re: #166 freetoken

btw, Notice you have yet another new flouncer downstairs... the HA post certainly brought them out.

Two flouncers, actually.

173 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:58:45pm

re: #162 Charles

And I'm sure you would have said the same thing if Bush had denounced MSNBC -- right?

I just said I would have.

174 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:59:18pm

re: #173 TheMatrix31

I just said I would have.

Mmkay.

175 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:59:19pm

It's cute when they hold hands and jump together.

176 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #169 Racer X

No shit.

A nation in turmoil after a cowardly attack, two wars, many of his opponents openly calling him a liar and a murderer. He handled it way better than I would have.

Fuck yeah he did.

177 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:59:41pm

re: #140 iceweasel

No, it's because they are pandering to bigots, social conservatives, and the theocrats, and so they don't want to feature GWB's tremendous contributions towards halting the spread of AIDS in Africa and helping people who were already infected.

It involves 1) sex 2) black people and 3) a disease those groups think of as ghey or about divine retribution for sexual immorality of one form or another.

That's why the GOP is in no rush to feature it. Too many of the people they're pandering to don't consider it an achievement. That's the ugly truth.

George W. Bush may have screwed the pooch on a lot of things, but his African aid project is definitely a win and something I think he was very sincere about...too bad his party has apparently decided to make him persona non gratia.

178 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:59:42pm

re: #157 Flyers1974

Do you mean that Bush personally should have confronted his detractors? Because Karl Rove certainly did, and far better than most prior political operatives.

I think he could have done a much better job of promoting himself and his accomplishments.

179 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:00:27pm

re: #163 iceweasel

It is. Unpleasant, but true.

Whatever.

180 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:00:55pm

re: #154 The Sanity Inspector

It demeans the dignity of the office to reply to the sniping from the lower levels. I think most Americans know this, and they don't like to see the President replying to radio talk show hosts, etc.

I don't like to see it anyway.

It is to the citizens in general that the President should speak, I think.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:00:56pm

re: #175 jaunte

Then they'll claw each others eyes out on the way down.

182 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:01:04pm

If George W. Bush had called out his detractors in the mainstream media like Obama is doing, we would have seen the left wing acting EXACTLY like the right wing is acting now.

183 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:01:40pm

re: #178 Racer X

I think he could have done a much better job of promoting himself and his accomplishments.

that's not his job...he won a second term, nuff said

184 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:02:37pm

re: #179 Racer X

Whatever.

I am not sure what the correct explanation really is, but would you care to offer an alternative explanation as to why there is no mention of this on the site? You and I are on opposite sides of the aisle, but we have established that we both give Bush a great deal of credit for this.

185 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:02:45pm

re: #168 sandbox

I'm sure the EU would have given condoms, if W would not.

If not for the need to pander to the religious right, Bush could have done even more to prevent new cases of AIDS in Africa, by pouring a fraction of our billions in aid into safe sex education and condom redistribution. He didn't, and that was entirely due to the religious right.

This isn't a slam on Bush. He did tremendous, incredible work in Africa and he has yet to really get the acclaim he deserves for it. The left didn't talk about it because so many hated him, and the right didn't because they were ashamed of it/knew it would alienate the bigots and socons in their base. That's the sad truth.

186 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:02:55pm

re: #182 Charles

If George W. Bush had called out his detractors in the mainstream media like Obama is doing, we would have seen the left wing acting EXACTLY like the right wing is acting now.

True.

Gawd I miss him.

*sniffle*

187 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:03:24pm

re: #184 bratwurst

Because Bush is somewhat of a poison to the Republican party, due to his or whoever's doing?

It's not "sex, racism, and taboo subjects".

188 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:03:54pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Good to know that you're there to tell us.

189 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:04:00pm

to the left,gwb could do no right.to the right,bo can do no right.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:04:17pm

re: #185 iceweasel

There are bigots on the left, Ice.

191 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:04:20pm

re: #155 Charles

I don't think it's even remotely that thought-out. They told the designer that the GOP's color was RED, and that was all she wrote.

Well they could always change their color to white.

///

192 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #184 bratwurst

I am not sure what the correct explanation really is, but would you care to offer an alternative explanation as to why there is no mention of this on the site? You and I are on opposite sides of the aisle, but we have established that we both give Bush a great deal of credit for this.

As to why the GOP site is a mess? I think they honestly have no clue. They have not given it 4 seconds of thought. Pathetic.

193 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:05:24pm

Who turned on the bigot spigot?

194 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are bigots on the left, Ice.

Stop being mean!

195 johnnygriswold  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:05:54pm

Blog titles and color schemes are the most effective way of going after the GOP. I'm totally on board, dudes.

196 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:06pm

re: #186 Racer X

True.

Gawd I miss him.

*sniffle*

please, the same guy that was willing to sell out the country with his support of that ridiculous illegal alien amnesty legislation?...the same guy that did exactly nothing to secure our borders?

197 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:10pm

re: #185 iceweasel

If not for the need to pander to the religious right, Bush could have done even more to prevent new cases of AIDS in Africa, by pouring a fraction of our billions in aid into safe sex education and condom redistribution. He didn't, and that was entirely due to the religious right.

This isn't a slam on Bush. He did tremendous, incredible work in Africa and he has yet to really get the acclaim he deserves for it. The left didn't talk about it because so many hated him, and the right didn't because they were ashamed of it/knew it would alienate the bigots and socons in their base. That's the sad truth.

Could someone explain to me how being simultaneously opposed to both abortion and birth control makes sense?

While we are at it, could someone explain to me how it is better to have contagion spread then to talk about safe sex makes sense?

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:11pm

re: #192 Racer X

"You know... I think it would make us hip like Obama if we had a website." takes six seconds or so to say... so more than four seconds.

But, not much more.

199 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:17pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are bigots on the left, Ice.

Look upthread and you'll find me admitting that too. Also many other places.

200 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:25pm

re: #189 Boondock St. Bender

to the left,gwb could do no right.to the right,bo can do no right.

Well I am on the left and I have already stated I think GWB did more than right by Africa.

201 theheat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:06:51pm

The new shiny red GOP site blows mule, especially that sparkly freakin' Flash doodad shit they stuffed in there as a filler. I've seen fishing lures with better aesthetics. It's fug, sparse, it sucks, and they certainly have disregarded Bush's aid and efforts toward Africa (probably because it concerns teh AIDS, sex, condoms, etc. etc. vaginas, lions, tigers, bears, oh my!).

For crying out loud, their American Heroes look like a collector's funeral lobby cards. WTF? How is this supposed to be hip and happenin', when practically everyone they point out is pushing up daisies? Was the last decent Republican really that long ago? Ouch.

And, let's get real, Enimem is more hip than Steele. That's pathetic. They might as well put Pat Boone in leather and call it a day. First graders are more hip than this steaming pile of rah-rah feelgood.

I think Obama hand picked the GOP's creative team to effectively put them out of their misery once and for all, because nothing else under the sun could explain such a complete disaster.

FAIL. FAIL. FAIL.

202 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:07:06pm

re: #195 johnnygriswold

not going after,pointing out half-assed clueless stupidity...the hallmarks of the current party policy

203 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:07:24pm

re: #195 johnnygriswold

It's not "going after the GOP". They're doing that job all by themselves.

204 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:07:30pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are bigots on the left, Ice.

And had the topic of discussion been about them she might have mentioned them. Why does every bad thing said about the right have to have a disclaimer that the other side has "whatever it is" too?

205 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:07:35pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Come on Ice Weasal, the EU, Japan can give out condoms. Bush was trying to keep a coalition of center/right together. It was not and is not easy. I consider myself to be a moderate Republican on social issues, but I understand a large part of the party is not.

206 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:07:38pm

re: #197 ludwigvanquixote

Could someone explain to me how being simultaneously opposed to both abortion and birth control makes sense?

While we are at it, could someone explain to me how it is better to have contagion spread then to talk about safe sex makes sense?

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant, ... One motto on the show is, 'Keep your facts, I'm going with the truth.'"
-- Stephen Colbert

207 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #188 TheMatrix31

Good to know that you're there to tell us.

Hey, don't get pissy with me just because you're seething away at Charles pointing some things out to you and you're too afraid to take it up with him.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it's pretty clear that's what you're doing.

208 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #185 iceweasel

If not for the need to pander to the religious right, Bush could have done even more to prevent new cases of AIDS in Africa, by pouring a fraction of our billions in aid into safe sex education and condom redistribution. He didn't, and that was entirely due to the religious right.

This isn't a slam on Bush. He did tremendous, incredible work in Africa and he has yet to really get the acclaim he deserves for it. The left didn't talk about it because so many hated him, and the right didn't because they were ashamed of it/knew it would alienate the bigots and socons in their base. That's the sad truth.

You know he had to figure that it was gonna turn out like this for him, yet he supported and pushed his African aid program anyway, to the benefit of millions of people...it really became personal for him, IMO.

209 johnnygriswold  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:08:22pm

re: #202 Boondock St. Bender

I'm a very big LGF fan and visit here every day. But this really is laughable. I think there are better discussions to be had. But that's just my opinion.

210 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #201 theheat

re: #203 Coracle

It is unfair to make me snort my coffee in a way that threatens my data collection.

211 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:08:34pm

re: #196 albusteve

please, the same guy that was willing to sell out the country with his support of that ridiculous illegal alien amnesty legislation?...the same guy that did exactly nothing to secure our borders?

Racist! er, wait.

212 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:00pm

re: #132 Boondock St. Bender

actually i wonder what some of the votes on the bigger civil rights bills looked like.

The Senate version of the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

213 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:02pm

The nuts are really coming out of the woodwork in the earlier threads.

214 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:17pm

re: #207 iceweasel

I told him that I disagreed with him, and moved on from the point.

215 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:21pm

re: #209 johnnygriswold

I'm a very big LGF fan and visit here every day. But this really is laughable. I think there are better discussions to be had. But that's just my opinion.

Then start a blog and discuss them.

216 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #205 sandbox

Come on Ice Weasal, the EU, Japan can give out condoms. Bush was trying to keep a coalition of center/right together. It was not and is not easy. I consider myself to be a moderate Republican on social issues, but I understand a large part of the party is not.

This was yet another incidence of the party and US policies being held hostage by a need to pander to the religious right. It makes for bad policy.

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:09:53pm

Before bidding thee a good evening, I shall celebrate my 25,000th post by quoting Shakespeare...

"She speaks yet she says nothing; what of that?"

So, "What's up?"

Goodnight my friends.

(not a flounce)

218 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:10:12pm

re: #200 bratwurst

that was a generalization,people not blinded by ideology can usually give credit where it's due.

219 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12:01pm

re: #214 TheMatrix31

I told him that I disagreed with him, and moved on from the point.

Don't get sucked in. It turns every dispute into a "you hate Charles don't you" fest.

220 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12:33pm

re: #216 iceweasel

This was yet another incidence of the party and US policies being held hostage by a need to pander to the religious right. It makes for bad policy.

it's fundamental to partisan politics...just consider BO and his problems with his leftist base...spread too thin is a political curse

221 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12:51pm

Erik over at Red State is suggesting that people mail bags of rock salt to Olympia Snowe over her health care plan vote. link to Erik's post on Red State

At least that's creative and uh, well, not a death threat. Using the link to RS's own Amazon store is pretty clever, too. *eyeroll*

222 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #205 sandbox

Come on Ice Weasal, the EU, Japan can give out condoms. Bush was trying to keep a coalition of center/right together. It was not and is not easy. I consider myself to be a moderate Republican on social issues, but I understand a large part of the party is not.

Yes, but that is just simply wrong for them to think that way.

OK, I can get being opposed to abortion. I may not agree with the stance, but I can easily see and understand the position.

I can get not wanting to step back as a society from overly rampant sexualization of everything. It is indeed a bit tasteless to say the least.

However, I can not understand putting any religious principle above the overriding principle of saving lives. There is no call whatsoever to restrict use of condoms if it means you are preventing the spread of disease.

Further, if you want fewer abortions the best way to achieve that is to have people use more birth control. There comes a point where common sense and basic reason need to override. There is such a thing as taking the correct moral high ground because it is the right and obvious one to take.

223 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:13:18pm

BBL

224 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:14:32pm

PIMF
Yes, but that is just simply wrong for them to think that way.

OK, I can get being opposed to abortion. I may not agree with the stance, but I can easily see and understand the position.

I can get wanting to step back as a society from overly rampant sexualization of everything. It is indeed a bit tasteless to say the least.

However, I can not understand putting any religious principle above the overriding principle of saving lives. There is no call whatsoever to restrict use of condoms if it means you are preventing the spread of disease.

Further, if you want fewer abortions the best way to achieve that is to have people use more birth control. There comes a point where common sense and basic reason need to override. There is such a thing as taking the correct moral high ground because it is the right and obvious one to take.

225 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:14:34pm

re: #216 iceweasel

IMO, your objection is foolish. You know very well that if condoms were so important the African countries could obtain them--free probably--from other sources.

226 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:15:19pm

re: #212 Flyers1974

exellent!thankyou. byrd voted agin'it>>big surprise...

227 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:15:40pm

Defining moment of FAIL.

"What up?" is the GOP version of blogmocracy.

228 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:16:00pm

re: #204 Bloodnok

And had the topic of discussion been about them she might have mentioned them. Why does every bad thing said about the right have to have a disclaimer that the other side has "whatever it is" too?

It is a recognition of just how similar we all are in terms of human foibles.
And it is more evenhanded and a less confrontational way of carrying on a discussion with mutual respect for your opponent.
What is so wrong with that?

229 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:16:21pm

re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

good nite and congrats!

230 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:16:24pm

re: #225 sandbox

IMO, your objection is foolish. You know very well that if condoms were so important the African countries could obtain them--free probably--from other sources.

Yeah, condoms have nothing, nothing at all, to do with preventing the spread of AIDS.

231 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:10pm

re: #225 sandbox

if condoms were so important the African countries could obtain them


This does not follow, logically. Drinking water (as just one example) is just as important in Africa as anywhere else, but many villages have no water wells.

232 sagehen  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:14pm

re: #221 ~Fianna

Erik over at Red State is suggesting that people mail bags of rock salt to Olympia Snowe over her health care plan vote. link to Erik's post on Red State

At least that's creative and uh, well, not a death threat. Using the link to RS's own Amazon store is pretty clever, too. *eyeroll*


If they're shipping it to her Maine office, it might be enough to keep her building parking and sidewalks clear all winter. She'll thank them.

233 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:20pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

Defining moment of FAIL.

"What up?" is the GOP version of blogmocracy.

Not yet, give it time to get riddled with the tea baggers, the Ronulans, the Dominionists and the other more "colorful" sorts.

Then it may well make the normal right wing nut o sphere look tame.

I look forward to spreading butthurt there when the time is right.

234 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:22pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

Defining moment of FAIL.

"What up?" is the GOP version of blogmocracy.

Which really ought to be named the blog-mock-racy, since they're so eminently mockable.

235 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:29pm

re: #226 Boondock St. Bender

As did Barry Goldwater. Also, regarding those Southern Dems:

After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. The signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, however, was the last straw for many Southern Democrats, who began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

236 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:17:43pm

re: #228 Spare O'Lake

It is a recognition of just how similar we all are in terms of human foibles.
And it is more evenhanded and a less confrontational way of carrying on a discussion with mutual respect for your opponent.
What is so wrong with that?

Nothing.

But "mutual"? Bring it.

And if my opponent is an idiot, there's no harm in pointing it out. Facts are facts.

237 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #209 johnnygriswold

Bitching about the topic isn't going to change the fact that this is Charles' place and we're all just along for the ride...if you don't like the subject matter, wait for a topic more your taste or start your own blog.

/bitch, whine, blah, blah, blah...

238 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:13pm

re: #222 ludwigvanquixote

Yes, but that is just simply wrong for them to think that way.

OK, I can get being opposed to abortion. I may not agree with the stance, but I can easily see and understand the position.

I can get not wanting to step back as a society from overly rampant sexualization of everything. It is indeed a bit tasteless to say the least.

However, I can not understand putting any religious principle above the overriding principle of saving lives. There is no call whatsoever to restrict use of condoms if it means you are preventing the spread of disease.

Further, if you want fewer abortions the best way to achieve that is to have people use more birth control. There comes a point where common sense and basic reason need to override. There is such a thing as taking the correct moral high ground because it is the right and obvious one to take.

I heard an interesting quote today, flipping through the radio dial, talk stations, while I was driving to the supermarket, don't even know who said this, but it's not mine...

"The conservatives wants to get involved in your bedroom and the liberals wants to get involved in every other room of your house. The food you eat, the bulbs you use, the car you drive and so on..."

Clever.

239 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:37pm

Wow, the GOP did something sensible and reasonable?

Stop the presses!

"GOP removes stupidly juvenile racial pandering!" Read all about it!

I am totally shocked, really I am...

(What can I say my expectations have become pretty low lately)

240 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:40pm

re: #230 iceweasel

Yeah, condoms have nothing, nothing at all, to do with preventing the spread of AIDS.

And, of course, we all know that condoms make people have sex. Just mentioning the word condom anywhere in America causes orgies to break out in high schools across the nation.

241 Ramona  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:45pm

re: #5 The Sanity Inspector

"A good politician is always keeping his ear to the ground and his finger in the wind."
I'm not sure you have the position of his (Steele's) digit correct.

242 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:18:58pm

nobody likes using a condom...

243 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:19:25pm

re: #232 sagehen

If they're shipping it to her Maine office, it might be enough to keep her building parking and sidewalks clear all winter. She'll thank them.

I was thinking the same thing, actually.

Should save the Maine taxpayers some money on office upkeep.

244 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:19:39pm

re: #228 Spare O'Lake

It is a recognition of just how similar we all are in terms of human foibles.
And it is more evenhanded and a less confrontational way of carrying on a discussion with mutual respect for your opponent.
What is so wrong with that?

Really. So on every LGF thread that points out leftist idiocy, were you similarly demanding that there had to be some condemnation of the right, for something, anything, just to be 'evenhanded' and 'less confrontational'?

I think not.

245 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:19:40pm

re: #242 albusteve

nobody likes using a condom...

Depends on what you're using it for...

246 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:19:42pm

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.


When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.


SING IT LOUD AND PROUD!

247 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:19:53pm

The religious right is opposed to ALL forms of birth control, and that includes condoms. Any attempt at family planning is thwarting the will of God, in their eyes.

They say this explicitly. It's a simple matter to find examples, from the patriarchal movement to James Dobson to the Family Research Council.

248 The Shadow Do  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:00pm

I'm pretty sure Obama's folks went to school on both Kerry's and Bush's anemic defenses in the face of political attacks. The result is a petty knee jerk response to the slightest criticism; this will not serve him well though I'm sure his advisors would disagree.

249 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:04pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

And, of course, we all know that condoms make people have sex. Just mentioning the word condom anywhere in America causes orgies to break out in high schools across the nation.

Unfortunately good summary of the underlying argument.

250 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:12pm

re: #235 Flyers1974

Did you know that the Dems voted along party lines against the 13th amendment at one time? (ref: Team of Rivals). They have some karma.

251 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:17pm

re: #225 sandbox

Are we talking about the same Africa?

252 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:23pm

re: #228 Spare O'Lake

It is a recognition of just how similar we all are in terms of human foibles.
And it is more evenhanded and a less confrontational way of carrying on a discussion with mutual respect for your opponent.
What is so wrong with that?

It had nothing to do with the point being made. It's unnecessary. Are people so sensitive that they need to be reassured that there are similar elements on the other side in every discussion?

253 sagehen  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:20:25pm

re: #222 ludwigvanquixote

However, I can not understand putting any religious principle above the overriding principle of saving lives. There is no call whatsoever to restrict use of condoms if it means you are preventing the spread of disease.

Further, if you want fewer abortions the best way to achieve that is to have people use more birth control. There comes a point where common sense and basic reason need to override. There is such a thing as taking the correct moral high ground because it is the right and obvious one to take.


That's because we're of a religion that explicitly says saving lives is a valid, approved reason for breaking any of the other religious rules.

We'll never understand them.

254 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #240 ~Fianna

And, of course, we all know that condoms make people have sex. Just mentioning the word condom anywhere in America causes orgies to break out in high schools across the nation.

And of course, if no one would ever talk about condoms or sex, no one would ever think of it or do it...

I have often felt that many people on the right - not the politicians, they are getting them - but rather the voters who the politicians pander to, would be much more sane people if they just had someone competent go down on them every so often.

255 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:21:25pm

re: #232 sagehen

If they're shipping it to her Maine office, it might be enough to keep her building parking and sidewalks clear all winter. She'll thank them.

Wouldn't that be hilarious? It'll be less money the rest of us taxpayers will have to spend on her office expenses this winter!

256 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:21:31pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Clever, and true.

257 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:21:55pm

re: #235 Flyers1974

the 64 convention was also a watershed.one of the southern states actually walked out.

258 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:22:14pm

re: #254 ludwigvanquixote

And of course, if no one would ever talk about condoms or sex, no one would ever think of it or do it...

I have often felt that many people on the right - not the politicians, they are getting them - but rather the voters who the politicians pander to, would be much more sane people if they just had someone competent go down on them every so often.

Not it.

259 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:22:46pm

re: #258 ~Fianna

Not it.

?

260 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #259 ludwigvanquixote

Fainna was not volunteering to help out with that, is all.

261 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:24:06pm

Vasectomy: The gift that keeps on giving.

262 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:24:12pm

re: #234 iceweasel

Which really ought to be named the blog-mock-racy, since they're so eminently mockable.

I'm sticking with 'Post-Iceweasel Support Group and Butthurt Aftermath Care Centre'.

263 Ramona  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:24:30pm

re: #99 iceweasel

Holy FAIL, Batman.


Couldn't have said it bette myself.

264 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:03pm

re: #116 Charles

Adding his work for Africa, and contrasting with Obamas Africa's future is up to Africa AKA the Bush money stops now would be nice as the next point.

265 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:14pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Vasectomy: The gift that keeps on giving.

If you don't mind burning forever in eternal torment, that is.

266 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:28pm

re: #260 Coracle

Fainna was not volunteering to help out with that, is all.

LOL! I suppose I was not either...

images of Palin giving a come hither...

wilting.

267 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:32pm

re: #259 ludwigvanquixote

?

Your last line. I'm not volunteering. :)

268 Ramona  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #149 sagehen

Bush's biggest failure was trusting Donald Rumsfield over Colin Powell.


If only I was up to 50 comments, I'd upding you.

269 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:39pm

re: #254 ludwigvanquixote

And of course, if no one would ever talk about condoms or sex, no one would ever think of it or do it...

I have often felt that many people on the right - not the politicians, they are getting them - but rather the voters who the politicians pander to, would be much more sane people if they just had someone competent go down on them every so often.

then do the right a favor and volunteer yourself

270 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:41pm

re: #254 ludwigvanquixote

And of course, if no one would ever talk about condoms or sex, no one would ever think of it or do it...

I have often felt that many people on the right - not the politicians, they are getting them - but rather the voters who the politicians pander to, would be much more sane people if they just had someone competent go down on them every so often.

So, I suppose you are advocating for cunning linguists.

271 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #262 Jimmah

I'm sticking with 'Post-Iceweasel Support Group and Butthurt Aftermath Care Centre'.

"A place of healing and grief-hole counselling. We will provide you with your very own iceweasel made of rags to holler and sob at. Tissues (ewww) not provided".

272 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:25:55pm

'johnnygriswold' is getting brave now.

273 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #265 Charles

no charles,that's the clap!

274 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #254 ludwigvanquixote

It may not be so simple as resentment caused by not getting any; the underlying attitude may be that "people who are irresponsible (not like me) shouldn't be allowed to have sex."

275 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:26:22pm

re: #265 Charles

If you don't mind burning forever in eternal torment, that is.

But all my friends are there!

276 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:26:34pm

re: #270 MandyManners

So, I suppose you are advocating for cunning linguists.

They were all fired from the Army for being ghey. :(

277 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:26:55pm

re: #267 ~Fianna

Your last line. I'm not volunteering. :)

See my 266. I do not blame you.

278 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:27:37pm

Props to Linsey Graham for calling out Ron Paul and "angry white guys"

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

279 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:27:49pm

re: #272 Charles

'johnnygriswold' is getting brave now.

It's take a lot of courage to click the dinger.

280 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:28:08pm

re: #158 albusteve

you know jimmah, I read every one of your posts and I open every one of your links and give them a try...my conclusion is that you are an alien of some sort...this medieval dirge is just more proof...with respect

lol. I just realised - you are spacejesus.

Anyway, more Laibach - you'll like this one - it has a good beat, very danceable:

281 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:28:21pm

re: #274 jaunte

It may not be so simple as resentment caused by not getting any; the underlying attitude may be that "people who are irresponsible (not like me) shouldn't be allowed to have sex."

OK, it is obviously more complex than the simple, snide and I had hoped a little funny joke I made.

The reality I believe has to do with a deep seated fear of female sexuality that has been instilled by endless indoctrination.

282 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:28:23pm

Wow, flouncers are flouncing all over the place tonight.

Here's where Michael Steele got the idea for "Change the Game:"

[Link: www.google.com...]

283 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:00pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Here it is on the pipes.

284 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:05pm

re: #269 albusteve

then do the right a favor and volunteer yourself

Holy funny Batman

285 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #272 Charles

'johnnygriswold' is getting brave now.

Brave, like Brave Sir Robin?

;-P

286 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:17pm

re: #265 Charles

If you don't mind burning forever in eternal torment, that is.


I'm fine with that. They're just going to move me down the hall to a hotter room.

287 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:26pm

re: #270 MandyManners

So, I suppose you are advocating for cunning linguists.

I have found that the ladies in my life have always been interested in better communication.

:)

288 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:29:31pm

re: #248 The Shadow Do

I'm pretty sure Obama's folks went to school on both Kerry's and Bush's anemic defenses in the face of political attacks. The result is a petty knee jerk response to the slightest criticism; this will not serve him well though I'm sure his advisors would disagree.

So they learned from the the mistakes of those who came before, but are making a mistake in doing so. Got it.

289 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:30:09pm

re: #247 Charles

Oh those pesky Protestants. A tidbit from Catholic Dogma
[Link: www.catholic.com...]
Excerpt

At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Today, the Catholic Church alone proclaims the historic Christian position on contraception.

290 Ramona  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:30:55pm

re: #197 ludwigvanquixote

Could someone explain to me how being simultaneously opposed to both abortion and birth control makes sense?


It makes sense only to the religious wing-nuts, as in keeping 'their' women under control.

291 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:31:32pm

Couplet Looking in the Mirror and speaking only for himself

Fog is blown by fools who blog
But only God can make a dog.

--Cato MMIX

292 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:32:23pm

re: #268 Ramona

If only I was up to 50 comments, I'd upding you.

Took care of it for you!

293 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:33:28pm

re: #250 Ojoe

Did you know that the Dems voted along party lines against the 13th amendment at one time? (ref: Team of Rivals). They have some karma.

You mean they all voted against it? Didn't know that.

294 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:33:36pm

re: #291 Cato the Elder

Love it.
My doG got it backwards. She made some too. Now we got puppies.

295 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:33:49pm

re: #268 Ramona

Say nine more things and you're there.

296 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:34:23pm

re: #287 ludwigvanquixote

I have found that the ladies in my life have always been interested in better communication.

:)

it's one way to get you to shut up, I suppose

297 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:34:34pm

OT, looks like FreeRepublic is having a harder time with fundraising... Not that I can talk, as a starving student (TM) I've been relying on charles and everyone else's generosity to keep this site going. I'll be fixing that when I have a chance tho!

298 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:35:28pm

re: #293 Flyers1974

With few exceptions I think. I will go get the book and look up the passage.

299 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:35:43pm

re: #276 iceweasel

They were all fired from the Army for being ghey. :(

So, you don't think that the average American man knows what about a clitoris?

300 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:35:46pm

re: #296 albusteve

it's one way to get you to shut up, I suppose

oh how charming...

301 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:36:14pm

re: #290 Ramona

Really? Pretty broad brush you paint with there. How many billions?

302 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:36:31pm

re: #282 Charles

Wow, flouncers are flouncing all over the place tonight.

Here's where Michael Steele got the idea for "Change the Game:"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Oh please no. Does he even know the lyrics?

Jumpin up outta the Burb', park mode
And 18 inches from the curb
While I'm smellin them stanky stenches from the herb
Red-eyed flight, and I'm lookin for my red-eyed homie

So the GOP is down with decriminalising pot now? Interesting way to leak news of a change of party platform. And this is precious:

All I need n---, is a crew and a point
And I'll make a statement only on a brew and a joint

Not normally considered a plus for a party spokesperson, but oookay...

303 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:37:09pm

re: #299 MandyManners

the clitoris "natures rubic's cube"...

304 The Shadow Do  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #288 bratwurst

So they learned from the the mistakes of those who came before, but are making a mistake in doing so. Got it.

Objection to the smallest slight is called an overreaction. Not comely.

305 Flyers1974  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:37:30pm

re: #298 Ojoe

With few exceptions I think. I will go get the book and look up the passage.

Wouldn't suprise me if they all voted against it. I'm curious of the voting status of the South's Senators right after the war. I have to check that out.

306 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:37:47pm

re: #299 MandyManners

So, you don't think that the average American man knows what about a clitoris?

I was making a joke about all the Arabic translators being fired from the Army. For being ghey.

307 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:38:23pm

re: #300 ludwigvanquixote

oh how charming...

kudos for birth control!

308 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:39:15pm

Gee, someone liked my nic.

309 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #304 The Shadow Do

Objection to the smallest slight is called an overreaction. Not comely.

Calling the President of the United States a racist exceeds the limits of what I would consider "the smallest slight".

310 fizzlogic  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:39:49pm

Aw man, I sort of like that song...

311 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:41:06pm

re: #308 Right Wing Conspirator

Uh... This is awkward. Yeah, I carried this in from when I subscribed to the LA Times online. And at a few other blogs.

312 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:41:16pm

re: #299 MandyManners

So, you don't think that the average American man knows what about a clitoris?

"What's wrong with a kiss? No need to go stampeding for the clitoris!"

313 The Shadow Do  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:41:54pm

re: #309 bratwurst

Calling the President of the United States a racist exceeds the limits of what I would consider "the smallest slight".

Do you really think responding directly to a media moron like Beck somehow elevates his position as President? Seems odd to me.

314 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #308 Right Wing Conspirator

Hey sorry I stepped on your Nic.

315 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:43:41pm

re: #314 Rightwingconspirator

Hey sorry I stepped on your Nic.

Oh dear, now what do we do? lol

316 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:44:07pm

re: #315 marjoriemoon

Oh dear, now what do we do? lol

Thats obvious.

THUNDERDOME!

317 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:44:18pm

re: #293 Flyers1974

"The previous spring (1864) the Thirteenth Amendment had passed in the Senate by two thirds but failed to garner the necessary two-thirds vote in the House, where Republicans had voted aye and Democrats nay along nearly unanimous party lines."

P. 686, Team of Rivals

318 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:44:21pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Do you really think responding directly to a media moron like Beck somehow elevates his position as President? Seems odd to me.

Might have been odd if that's actually what he did. But having a communications director call out the ideology of a network is not the same thing. As discussed (way) downstairs.

319 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:44:51pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Do you really think responding directly to a media moron like Beck somehow elevates his position as President? Seems odd to me.

yesterday I asked what political cred he could earn from this, but nobody answered...personalizing the media has to pay off somehow...what does BO gain?

320 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:45:09pm

re: #314 Rightwingconspirator

Hey sorry I stepped on your Nic.

Imagine my surprise to learn one day there was a 'Sharmutah' registered here years before me. Oops.

321 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:45:41pm

re: #319 albusteve

yesterday I asked what political cred he could earn from this, but nobody answered...personalizing the media has to pay off somehow...what does BO gain?

A distraction from people actually asking about the rest of his agenda?

322 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #319 albusteve

He increases Fox ratings.

323 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:46:03pm

re: #318 Coracle

Might have been odd if that's actually what he did. But having a communications director call out the ideology of a network is not the same thing. As discussed (way) downstairs.

just a head fake...don't bite

324 The Shadow Do  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #318 Coracle

Might have been odd if that's actually what he did. But having a communications director call out the ideology of a network is not the same thing. As discussed (way) downstairs.

However sliced, it is petty.

325 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:46:32pm

re: #316 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Thats obvious.

THUNDERDOME!

Two Right Wing Conspirators enter! Only one leaves!

326 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:46:39pm

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yep. Distractions are fun!

327 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:47:13pm

Hrmmm. New Weezer stuff at Itunes, but the marketing approach is k'strange.

328 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:47:14pm

re: #326 TheMatrix31

Yep. Distractions are fun!

They can be if ... OMG! LOOK AT THAT!

329 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:47:35pm

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A distraction from people actually asking about the rest of his agenda?

indeed...it's...like...rocket science!

330 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:47:54pm

re: #315 marjoriemoon

re: #320 Sharmuta

Yesterday I would have imagined. Today is how I understand LOL

331 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:48:03pm

re: #324 The Shadow Do

However sliced, it is petty.

I would rather we talked about things that actually happened than things-that-would-have-looked-bad-if-they-had-indeed-happened.

332 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:48:28pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Do you really think responding directly to a media moron like Beck somehow elevates his position as President? Seems odd to me.

First of all, he did not respond directly.

Second of all, as long as anyone moderate on the right is busy keeping their heads down (lest Rush dub them a RINO), there is likely some value for the administration in reinforcing the right's embrace of the unsavory elements personified by Beck in the consciousness of the silent majority.

333 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:48:36pm

re: #197 ludwigvanquixote

Could someone explain to me how being simultaneously opposed to both abortion and birth control makes sense?

While we are at it, could someone explain to me how it is better to have contagion spread then to talk about safe sex makes sense?

First, the church's opposition to artificial means of birth control is based on the assumption that there is a marriage involved. So if someone is sleeping around, it doesn't really apply to them. But its incorrect to simply say the Church is opposed to birth control.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush did quite good work with African aid. Is that up on this bleeping website? (Why am I helping?)

Well, I've looked at it now. They're working the historical black angle very hard, but not showing much in the way of contemporary black anything, except for the photo that goes with the school vouchers which is smart. THey'll have to play with it. They need an expanded Latino angle, and they need a Spanish-language version of the site.

The red is intense. I think if they add some other tones it will improve. The five-pointed stars scattered on the fields give it a distinctly Soviet-lite look. They may want to rethink that.

The hagiography of the party is hard to read aloud without laughing hysterically.

335 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:48:50pm

Palestinian Support Wanes for American-Trained Forces

Commanders of the U.S.-trained Palestinian security forces who have been locking up criminals and battling Hamas militants here for nearly two years have maintained morale in the ranks with a single promise: They will one day be the anchor of security for an independent Palestinian state.

The lack of progress toward that goal is starting to sap Palestinian public support for the forces and erode morale among troops, even as they win praise and fresh funding from Washington for their accomplishments.

Meanwhile, the more the Palestinian Authority Security Forces cooperate with the U.S. and Israel to suppress Hamas, the more they threaten to undermine popular support for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas -- who is key to Washington's Mideast peace effort.

336 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:49:25pm

re: #319 albusteve

yesterday I asked what political cred he could earn from this, but nobody answered...personalizing the media has to pay off somehow...what does BO gain?

I don't think that the White House Media chick (or whoever that was) was thinking of political gain. She was just answering direct questions honestly. The President of the United States is not going to do interviews with Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. They are crackpots and I don't have a problem with them being labeled as such.

337 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:50:38pm

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

re: #320 Sharmuta

Yesterday I would have imagined. Today is how I understand LOL

If you ask me, I think it's a conspiracy.

338 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:51:37pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I don't think that the White House Media chick (or whoever that was) was thinking of political gain. She was just answering direct questions honestly. The President of the United States is not going to do interviews with Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. They are crackpots and I don't have a problem with them being labeled as such.

HER NAME IS ANITA DUNN.

339 Jack Burton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #265 Charles

If you don't mind burning forever in eternal torment, that is.

Greatest sermon EVAR!!1! I have memorized this entire rant.

340 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:52:16pm

Rush Limbaugh is on Fox right now, complaining about being 'tagged' as a racist.

341 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:52:26pm

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A distraction from people actually asking about the rest of his agenda?

No, Fox news is not objecting to his policies. They are objecting to Death Panels, fascism and FEMA camps. What many people consider "objections" or "Opposing viewpoints" are simply fantasies that are in no way related to reality or Obama's policies. It's nonsense.

342 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:52:41pm

re: #340 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh is on Fox right now, complaining about being 'tagged' as a racist.

Karma's a bitch.

343 ~Fianna  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:52:57pm

re: #338 MandyManners

HER NAME IS ANITA DUNN.

Thank you Mandy, I was about to do the same thing.

344 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:08pm

Deer smashes through window; terrorises restaurant

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

345 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:09pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I don't think that the White House Media chick (or whoever that was) was thinking of political gain. She was just answering direct questions honestly. The President of the United States is not going to do interviews with Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. They are crackpots and I don't have a problem with them being labeled as such.

it's not the reality, it's the perception...and I do not believe BO should do Glenn Beck...he has a multitude of problems to deal with besides sending his minions forth to polish him up, which is what she was doing...it's a trap

346 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

OMG The Proof Is Out There.

347 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:26pm

re: #340 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh is on Fox right now, complaining about being 'tagged' as a racist.

If he would only refrain from saying things which many people consider racist, he could easily shrug the tag.

348 theheat  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #340 jaunte

He's lucky he isn't being tagged as big game. Such a pudgy whiner. With a mouth like his, he thinks he's being unfairly accused? Get real.

349 jaunte  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53:54pm

re: #342 Sharmuta

I'm not too sympathetic. So he can't buy a $700 million football hobby.

350 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:54:04pm

re: #340 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh is on Fox right now, complaining about being 'tagged' as a racist.

Someone spraypainted him? That'd be rad.

351 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:54:56pm

re: #347 bratwurst

That said...I could say that the sky is blue and somebody, somewhere, would construe it as racist.

352 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:55:28pm

re: #340 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh is on Fox right now, complaining about being 'tagged' as a racist.

who?...Donovan McNabb?...then he deserves it

353 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:56:11pm

re: #252 Bloodnok

It had nothing to do with the point being made. It's unnecessary. Are people so sensitive that they need to be reassured that there are similar elements on the other side in every discussion?

Yes, I think many are sensitive, but perhaps no more sensitive than you appear to be to these harmless calls for balance and fairness.

354 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:57:17pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

No, Fox news is not objecting to his policies. They are objecting to Death Panels, fascism and FEMA camps. What many people consider "objections" or "Opposing viewpoints" are simply fantasies that are in no way related to reality or Obama's policies. It's nonsense.

I never said Fox was asking the right questions. They're just a noise machine. Fox has provided an oppurtunity out of their own stupidity,

355 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:57:20pm

re: #320 Sharmuta

Did Sharmuta post much? I see you kept yours.

356 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:57:27pm

re: #351 TheMatrix31

That said...I could say that the sky is blue and somebody, somewhere, would construe it as racist.

Only if you said "the sky is blue...and the NFL resembles the crips vs the bloods without the weapons...and oh yeah, the media wants McNabb to succeed because he's black".

357 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:57:47pm

New Five For Fighting album out, here's a sample of one of the songs from Slice, a song called Chances

358 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:57:47pm

re: #350 Coracle

Someone spraypainted him? That'd be rad.

Banksy wuz here!

359 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:58:34pm

re: #356 bratwurst

that was moronic for him to say.

360 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:58:54pm

re: #325 iceweasel

Solve a right wing theorem?

361 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:59:22pm

re: #359 Boondock St. Bender

that was moronic for him to say.

Moronic and racist.

362 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:00:15pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I don't think that the White House Media chick (or whoever that was) was thinking of political gain. She was just answering direct questions honestly. The President of the United States is not going to do interviews with Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. They are crackpots and I don't have a problem with them being labeled as such.

Are you seriously suggesting that Anita Dunn was not politically motivated? She is a political tool of the Obama administration, after all.

363 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:00:18pm

re: #358 iceweasel

Banksy's also known for painting anti Israel graffiti on the separation wall, which he calls the apartheid wall.

364 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:00:57pm

re: #359 Boondock St. Bender

that was moronic for him to say.

in front of 20 million people?...he has no sense of competition or accomplishment...he is so far outside the realm of pro sports, that to say that makes me want an apology personally...what an asshole

365 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:00:58pm

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

Nah, people from the White House go on TV all the time to make objective responses to questions. Dont you know?

/

366 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:01:02pm

re: #342 Sharmuta

Karma's a bitch.

And his habit of throwing red meat comments out to the "base" that can be considered racist may cost him his chance at NFL team ownership, no matter how much money he puts in the deal. Any enemy of Rush has to be loving some schadenfreude there, considering how much of a NFL fan Rush is...

367 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:01:16pm

re: #349 jaunte

I'm not too sympathetic. So he can't buy a $700 million football hobby.

It's a real tragedy, and the potential for rageofauxbia is high.

368 Jack Burton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:02:43pm

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

Are you seriously suggesting that Anita Dunn was not politically motivated? She is a political tool of the Obama administration, after all.

Political or not, it's perfectly reasonable for the President of the United States to refuse to give the time of day to Rodeo Clown Conspiracy Theorists who should be on medication, not TV.

369 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:03:37pm

Good gravy.

Bye.

370 soxfan4life  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:03:58pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP was against "Change!" before they were for it.

I was for the GOP before I was against it.

371 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:04:01pm

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

Solve a right wing theorem?

Given: 1) angle1 and angle2 are right wing angles.
Then: 2) angle1 = 90 degrees, angle2 = 90 degrees. (Definition of right wing angles)
And so 3) angle1 = angle2 (Transitive Property or Substitution Property)
Therefore: angle1 is right-wing congruent to angle2

Yes!

372 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:04:10pm
373 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:04:29pm

re: #132 Boondock St. Bender

actually i wonder what some of the votes on the bigger civil rights bills looked like.

Looked that up. They have a breakdown for the 64 Civil Rights Act on its page on Wikipedia. See below:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)
[edit] By party
The original House version:[9]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[9]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

374 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:04:40pm

Spare O Lake why did you downding #271? Got a problem with mocking 2.0?

375 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:05:29pm

re: #140 iceweasel

No, it's because they are pandering to bigots, social conservatives, and the theocrats, and so they don't want to feature GWB's tremendous contributions towards halting the spread of AIDS in Africa and helping people who were already infected.

It involves 1) sex 2) black people and 3) a disease those groups think of as ghey or about divine retribution for sexual immorality of one form or another.

That's why the GOP is in no rush to feature it. Too many of the people they're pandering to don't consider it an achievement. That's the ugly truth.


The Christian churches in America are, many of them, intent on helping in Africa. It's a place that needs help and that can be helped. Canada doesn't need help, and nothing churches here can do can help Myanmar or North Korea.

A single church can pick a single village or rural community and go to work helping fix some small problem. The theory is, it all adds up. Maybe it does. In any case, these churches are hardly full of bigots or theocrats. They're just good people trying to help. From a secular humanist point of view, that ought to earn kudos. From a Christian point of view, it's good works.

376 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:05:37pm

re: #244 iceweasel


I think not.

You think not.

377 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #372 Windhorse

bratwurst... just curious (and forgive me if this has been discussed) but, from whence do you hail? (it's the nickname that makes me wonder)

I am a son of the American midwest residing temporarily in New Orleans, but spent much of the last decade residing in Germany, from whence I get my nickname and avatar.

378 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:08:01pm

re: #353 Spare O'Lake

Yes, I think many are sensitive, but perhaps no more sensitive than you appear to be to these harmless calls for balance and fairness.

It's been painful, painful, to see what is happening within the GOP.

I'm sure many here have been as bewildered and flummoxed as I have.

What we need, in my opinion - as little governmental intrusion as possible into our lives and business - then we can each live as conservatively or as liberally as we want to.

But the bottom line for right now - the Dems have power, and the GOP is just failing in every way to make sense or do anything that will advance governmental conservatism. As I read through the thread, the point has been made over and over that the social conservatives have taken control of the GOP.

We could talk about Chris Matthews and what he said about Rush Limbaugh, but I think Rush can take care of himself . . . it's the GOP that needs a good intervention or a whack upside the head. And talking about what the the media is doing, or whether Obama takes Michelle to NYC on a "date", is not going to fix the GOP.

379 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:08:38pm

re: #358 iceweasel

Banksy wuz here!

As brutal a graffito artist as ever existed:

Image: banksy.jpg

380 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:08:47pm

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

You think not.

Ah, an insult. In other words, you can't disprove my claim, or defend against it except by insulting me...and curiously enough, downdinging posts by me that are critical of the stalker blog.

Why is that?

381 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:09:00pm

re: #375 lostlakehiker

The local churches were critical after Katrina. Good works indeed.

382 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:09:10pm

The NFL should not allow Rush Limbaugh as a franchise owner. Nothing good can come out of that. Tell him to go buy a hockey team in Phoenix or something..

383 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:09:50pm
384 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #379 austin_blue

Did you get the bad US Soccer news?

[Link: yanks-abroad.com...]

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:10:45pm

re: #225 sandbox

IMO, your objection is foolish. You know very well that if condoms were so important the African countries could obtain them--free probably--from other sources.

Learn something about the situation on the ground fighting AIDS transmission in Africa and then come back to us, OK?

386 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:11:02pm

re: #333 Mich-again

The church opposes "artificial" birth control.

387 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:11:04pm

re: #383 Windhorse

cool... I respect all things "bratwurst"...

:)

An obvious individual of good taste. ;-)

388 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:11:07pm

re: #368 ArchangelMichael

Political or not, it's perfectly reasonable for the President of the United States to refuse to give the time of day to Rodeo Clown Conspiracy Theorists who should be on medication, not TV.

It is a sign of weakness and smallness.

389 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:11:12pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

It's a real tragedy, and the potential for rageofauxbia is high.

750 mil is a hell of a deal...there are only 32 NFL teams and to own one is a dream come true for a business/fan...it's a very rare opportunity to get involved with ownership...that said I hope he really drooled for it and now he's shut out...it's his own fault, owners amd players and fans have trashed him and he deserves all of it...Rush is nobody to the NFL, he can't have just anything money can buy...fuck him...twice

390 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:12:31pm

re: #388 Spare O'Lake

It is a sign of weakness and smallness.

Yes, because ignoring it works so well.

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #247 Charles

The religious right is opposed to ALL forms of birth control, and that includes condoms. Any attempt at family planning is thwarting the will of God, in their eyes.

They say this explicitly. It's a simple matter to find examples, from the patriarchal movement to James Dobson to the Family Research Council.

Not to mention Quiverfull!

392 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:12:47pm

Gonna go grab some ice cream or Starbucks or something, be back later.

393 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:13:24pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Not to mention Quiverfull!

Absolutely. The Quiverfull movement is one of the most radical examples of this kind of fanaticism.

394 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:13:26pm

re: #392 TheMatrix31

I'll take one of each please!

395 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:15:34pm

re: #390 Coracle

Yes, because ignoring it works so well.

he can run the govt...his critics will eat crow if he will man up and lead...that's the point

396 sandbox  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:15:36pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

Clarification: I am fine with giving out condoms to fight aids and for contraception in Africa. All I was trying to say is if the USA did not provide same during the Bush Administration, then surely condoms could be obtained from other sources.

397 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:17:29pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

oh goodness i gotta ask who are these characters?

398 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #395 albusteve

he can run the govt...his critics will eat crow if he will man up and lead...that's the point

No. We've already seen what they'll do - double down and amp up the shrillness. Same as happened for Bush and Clinton.

399 Jack Burton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:18:23pm

re: #388 Spare O'Lake

It is a sign of weakness and smallness.

Ignoring whackos? What planet are you from?

Or are Glnn Bck, Alex Jones, and their ilk not kooks to you?

400 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:19:43pm

Spare O Lake refuses to answer questions about his downdinging of posts critical of 2.0. Interesting.

401 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:04pm

re: #398 Coracle

No. We've already seen what they'll do - double down and amp up the shrillness. Same as happened for Bush and Clinton.

well then get down in the dirt and slug it out by all means...I really don't care for it...what's to be gained?...juice inside the beltway?

402 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:15pm

Gaza zoo replaces zebras with painted donkeys

Zebras died of hunger earlier this year during the Israel-Hamas war.

Gaza City zookeepers have found a creative way of drawing crowds to their dilapidated zoo — by painting their donkeys. The Marah Land Zoo's only two zebras died of hunger earlier this year when they were neglected during the Israel-Hamas war.

The popular animals were too expensive to replace, so the keepers decided to design a pair of donkeys with black and white patterns instead.

Ahmad Barghouti says a professional painter used French-manufactured hair coloring to make the donkeys look like zebras.

403 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:18pm

re: #333 Mich-again

First, the church's opposition to artificial means of birth control is based on the assumption that there is a marriage involved. So if someone is sleeping around, it doesn't really apply to them. But its incorrect to simply say the Church is opposed to birth control.

I never said that about the Church per se. The last time I checked, they were not the one's driving the GOP religious right in America.

404 fizzlogic  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:32pm

I think the fletcher would call them quiverfools.

405 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #384 bratwurst

Did you get the bad US Soccer news?

[Link: yanks-abroad.com...]

Yes. A 3:15 AM wreck on the GW Parkway. Three people in the car. One dead. A lovely young woman, a University of Maryland graduate.

[Link: www.zimbio.com...]

It wasn't *on* the memorial Bridge, but under it. I know that stretch, and it is tortuous. Not something one would do on a clear Saturday morning when sober. Not that neither Charlie nor Ashley were driving.

Damned shame. I am glad he will recover, but with those injuries, I doubt he will play again at that level.

406 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:20:58pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Looked that up. They have a breakdown for the 64 Civil Rights Act on its page on Wikipedia. See below:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)
[edit] By party
The original House version:[9]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[9]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

Thank you for looking this up. I wish Sattv could see this.

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:21:32pm

re: #393 Charles

Absolutely. The Quiverfull movement is one of the most radical examples of this kind of fanaticism.

And is being amply represented by the Duggar family.

408 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:21:35pm

re: #400 Jimmah

Spare O Lake refuses to answer questions about his downdinging of posts critical of 2.0. Interesting.

I think it is so cute how you stick up for your big sister.

409 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:21:45pm

re: #402 Racer X

Thats just so apropo.

410 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:22:33pm

re: #402 Racer X

Gaza zoo replaces zebras with painted donkeys

Zebras died of hunger earlier this year during the Israel-Hamas war.

Gaza City zookeepers have found a creative way of drawing crowds to their dilapidated zoo — by painting their donkeys. The Marah Land Zoo's only two zebras died of hunger earlier this year when they were neglected during the Israel-Hamas war.

The popular animals were too expensive to replace, so the keepers decided to design a pair of donkeys with black and white patterns instead.

Ahmad Barghouti says a professional painter used French-manufactured hair coloring to make the donkeys look like zebras.

I am wondering when the Hamas mickey or bee or whatever comes to abuse them.

411 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:22:37pm

re: #393 Charles

Absolutely. The Quiverfull movement is one of the most radical examples of this kind of fanaticism.

Their theme song:

412 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:22:51pm

re: #401 albusteve

well then get down in the dirt and slug it out by all means...I really don't care for it...what's to be gained?...juice inside the beltway?

It would be kind of nice to have a news organization look in the mirror and try to recover its integrity.

413 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:22:59pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Not to mention Quiverfull!

What is Quiverfull?

414 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:23:42pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Ah, an insult. In other words, you can't disprove my claim, or defend against it except by insulting me...and curiously enough, downdinging posts by me that are critical of the stalker blog.

Why is that?

If you really must know, I will tell you. I downdinged your use of foul language. Nothing to do with the sewer.

415 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:24:33pm

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

If you really must know, I will tell you. I downdinged your use of foul language. Nothing to do with the sewer.

Well, shit.

416 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:24:37pm

re: #405 austin_blue

The post-surgery update is slightly more encouraging, but there is no chance he will play competitive football before 2011, if ever. He is lucky to be alive. His lady friend was sadly not so lucky. Will be an emotional night at RFK tomorrow.

417 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:25:00pm

re: #386 Ojoe

The church opposes "artificial" birth control.

I know that. But I saw a few posts in the thread where that key adjective was left out and I wanted to clarify that. It falls under the "You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts" file.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:25:10pm

re: #396 sandbox

Clarification: I am fine with giving out condoms to fight aids and for contraception in Africa. All I was trying to say is if the USA did not provide same during the Bush Administration, then surely condoms could be obtained from other sources.

You're assuming a level of organization and resources and education not available to many of the countries U.S. support went to. Which is why we needed to provide that support. We were crippled in our ability to provide education and effective protection in Africa by our own zealots at home, and it's not actually like the countries we were in had a health clinic on each corner and just needed to order a couple million crates of condoms. If we weren't giving them out, often wasn't nobody giving them out.

419 Jack Burton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:25:16pm

re: #402 Racer X

Why does Gaza have a zoo in the first place? Gaza City is about the size of the parking lot of the Grocery store in my neighborhood. Don't they have more important things to spend money on than taking care of a bunch of wild animals?

420 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #413 LudwigVanQuixote

What is Quiverfull?

Its like a Henweigh.

421 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:25:51pm

re: #408 Racer X

I think it is so cute how you stick up for your big sister.

I think it's great how you just exposed how small minded you are there. Please continue.

422 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:26:10pm

re: #419 ArchangelMichael

Buy rockets!

423 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:26:30pm

re: #419 ArchangelMichael

or apparently not taking care of them

424 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

If you really must know, I will tell you. I downdinged your use of foul language. Nothing to do with the sewer.

Fetch the salts! Stat!

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:26:47pm

re: #397 Boondock St. Bender

oh goodness i gotta ask who are these characters?

Quiverfull. Have as many babies as God sends. Birth control may kill you. Boy, aren't the Duggars just a wholesome all-American bunch?

426 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:08pm

re: #415 Coracle

Well, shit.

How does profanity improve the discussion?

427 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:20pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

Quiverfull. Have as many babies as God sends. Birth control may kill you. Boy, aren't the Duggars just a wholesome all-American bunch?

OK I just wiki'd them.

I have the following response.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

428 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:31pm

re: #420 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Its like a Henweigh.

About three pounds?

429 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:35pm

re: #426 Bagua

How does profanity improve the discussion?

Fuck if I know.

/sorry

430 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:48pm

re: #417 Mich-again

People misinterpret the Church all the time. But hey, it doesn't care. It has a sort of bovine imperturbability. LOL.

431 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:27:57pm

re: #426 Bagua

How does profanity improve the discussion?

It rarely does. But sometimes its funny.

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:28:03pm

re: #400 Jimmah

Spare O Lake refuses to answer questions about his downdinging of posts critical of 2.0. Interesting.

No calling people out on Tuesday night. You kids play nice.

433 Kragar  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:28:10pm

re: #428 austin_blue

About three pounds?

YOU RUINED IT!

434 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:28:45pm

If you scroll way down in the wiki article to the notable adherents section it will be an eye opener.

435 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:28:47pm

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

If you really must know, I will tell you. I downdinged your use of foul language. Nothing to do with the sewer.

Bollocks. Please indicate the foul language in the post you downdinged. Here is the text:

"A place of healing and grief-hole counselling. We will provide you with your very own iceweasel made of rags to holler and sob at. Tissues (ewww) not provided".

Please reply, with the 'foul language' you are referring to in bold.

436 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:29:41pm

re: #431 Coracle

It rarely does. But sometimes its funny.

Yes sometimes, but it is easy to become a swear blog. I too have down dinged solely for profanity, not when it is funny like that but when used in insults.

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:29:57pm

re: #402 Racer X

Gaza zoo replaces zebras with painted donkeys

Zebras died of hunger earlier this year during the Israel-Hamas war.

Gaza City zookeepers have found a creative way of drawing crowds to their dilapidated zoo — by painting their donkeys. The Marah Land Zoo's only two zebras died of hunger earlier this year when they were neglected during the Israel-Hamas war.

The popular animals were too expensive to replace, so the keepers decided to design a pair of donkeys with black and white patterns instead.

Ahmad Barghouti says a professional painter used French-manufactured hair coloring to make the donkeys look like zebras.

A few years ago, they had a lion stolen out of the zoo by militants of some kind. And then they had the weird 'don't be cruel to animals' thing on Hamas TV. Someone could write one hell of a novel about the Gaza zoo.

438 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:30:00pm

re: #412 Coracle

It would be kind of nice to have a news organization look in the mirror and try to recover its integrity.

yes it would, but that is beyond the presidents control...I blame the mindset of the viewers themselves...the MSM is Americas worst enemy, and because of TV news junkies they are laughing all the way to the bank...steering the political agenda is just icing on their cake...I wish that all presidents would rise above it...but I don't discount your point of view...that too is legit to a degree

439 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:30:02pm

re: #433 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

YOU RUINED IT!

Please, no down dings. I am just genetically incapable of not smacking a softball out of the park when I see it pitched.

(((humbly apologizes)))

440 Racer X  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:30:27pm

re: #421 Jimmah

I think it's great how you just exposed how small minded you are there. Please continue.

LOL!

Sure was a great demonstration by me wasn't it? You sure pwned me boy.

*slinks off to weep*

441 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:30:57pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

No calling people out on Tuesday night. You kids play nice.

Sorry, but I don't recognise "Hey, just let it pass when people bullshit at you Tuesday". :)

442 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:31:11pm
443 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:31:19pm

Seven hate mails so far tonight. Three of them used some variation of "you've really jumped the shark now, Chuckie! Hahahahahaha!"

444 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:31:43pm

re: #378 reine.de.tout

It's been painful, painful, to see what is happening within the GOP.

I'm sure many here have been as bewildered and flummoxed as I have.

What we need, in my opinion - as little governmental intrusion as possible into our lives and business - then we can each live as conservatively or as liberally as we want to.

But the bottom line for right now - the Dems have power, and the GOP is just failing in every way to make sense or do anything that will advance governmental conservatism. As I read through the thread, the point has been made over and over that the social conservatives have taken control of the GOP.

We could talk about Chris Matthews and what he said about Rush Limbaugh, but I think Rush can take care of himself . . . it's the GOP that needs a good intervention or a whack upside the head. And talking about what the the media is doing, or whether Obama takes Michelle to NYC on a "date", is not going to fix the GOP.

I agree with what you have just said, but I have trouble understanding what it has to do with my comment.

445 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:31:55pm

re: #435 Jimmah

Please reply, with the 'foul language' you are referring to in bold.

Maybe it was Fowl language?

No?

Hey, Krager, what's a Henweigh?

;-)

446 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:32:11pm

re: #443 Charles

Seven hate mails so far tonight. Three of them used some variation of "you've really jumped the shark now, Chuckie! Hahahahahaha!"

When they do the "chuckie" thing you know who it is.

447 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:32:14pm

re: #443 Charles

Seven hate mails so far tonight. Three of them used some variation of "you've really jumped the shark now, Chuckie! Hahahahahaha!"

On a particular subject, or just a general shark jumping?

448 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:32:24pm

re: #438 albusteve

Yes, the behavior of the media is shaped by the people who watch, and do not have the dignity or sense to hit the off button.

449 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:32:37pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Cluck
Cluck
Cluck

Coq Au Vin

450 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:04pm

re: #443 Charles

Seven hate mails so far tonight. Three of them used some variation of "you've really jumped the shark now, Chuckie! Hahahahahaha!"

I truly believe that you should have a hate mail greatest hits page somewhere. Sane people will giggle and crazy people will give you vast traffic looking to see if they got posted.

451 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:09pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

No calling people out on Tuesday night. You kids play nice.

I'm with you.

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:14pm

re: #419 ArchangelMichael

Why does Gaza have a zoo in the first place? Gaza City is about the size of the parking lot of the Grocery store in my neighborhood. Don't they have more important things to spend money on than taking care of a bunch of wild animals?

I suspect there's a story behind it. Who could tell it to us, God knows.

453 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:15pm

re: #444 Spare O'Lake

I agree with what you have just said, but I have trouble understanding what it has to do with my comment.

I guess - things have a proper place and time.
that's all.

454 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:45pm

re: #451 Bagua

I'm with you.

Did you see the olive branch I wrote you about five days ago?

455 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:33:50pm

re: #446 Thanos

When they do the "chuckie" thing you know who it is.

Bad horror movie afficianados? No?

Hmmm...

456 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:34:50pm

re: #455 austin_blue

Bad horror movie afficianados? No?

Hmmm...

More Chuck for the buck!

457 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:35:06pm

re: #454 LudwigVanQuixote

Did you see the olive branch I wrote you about five days ago?

Yes I did, I appreciate the sentiment.

458 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:35:13pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect there's a story behind it. Who could tell it to us, God knows.

Oh the story is easy... Europeans funded it and then the funds to maintain it were taken by corrupt PA and then Hamasnicks for their war efforts.

The Palis receive more financial aid per capita than any other people on the planet, and yet, it never seems to go where it was intended.

459 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:35:47pm

re: #457 Bagua

You are in a medical field yes?

460 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #449 Rightwingconspirator

Cluck
Cluck
Cluck

Coq Au Vin

Cock in Red Wine?

Well! I suppose that *is* filthy!

I never!!!

461 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #456 bratwurst

There's a cheap wine called "Two Buck Chuck."

A kind of Bargandy.

462 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:36:00pm

re: #450 LudwigVanQuixote

I truly believe that you should have a hate mail greatest hits page somewhere. Sane people will giggle and crazy people will give you vast traffic looking to see if they got posted.

There's one about self-subservient honcos that made it into Volume 2 of the Cookbook.

Oh hey everybody - there's a cookbook!
There's a volume 1, click my nic and you can purchase your very own copy!
And Volume 2 is in the works!

(shameless attempt to change the subject).

463 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:36:13pm

re: #402 Racer X

Gaza zoo replaces zebras with painted donkeys


I read that during the last war in Gaza the Hamas night shift lookout guy crowed like a rooster over the mosque loud speakers to send coded messages.
/

464 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:36:55pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

We should talk about a few recipes I could let you have...

465 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

If you really must know, I will tell you. I downdinged your use of foul language. Nothing to do with the sewer.

That was completely believable, Emily Post.

Except that 1) I didn't use any foul language and
2) I have this idea you didn't faint dead away or downding any of the many, many people on this blog who called the president a "fucking commie bastard: -- habitually.

466 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:37:11pm

First the Jews were the Jews. Then the Muslims were the Jews. Now the nuts are the Jews...
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)

Somebody let me know when the atheists get to be to Jews. I've got the gravlax down but I need time to work on my matza balls.

467 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:37:13pm

re: #419 ArchangelMichael

Why does Gaza have a zoo in the first place? Gaza City is about the size of the parking lot of the Grocery store in my neighborhood.


Its like 15 square miles with maybe 400,000 residents.

468 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:37:26pm

re: #448 Ojoe

Yes, the behavior of the media is shaped by the people who watch, and do not have the dignity or sense to hit the off button.

most voters are apolitical...when it comes time to vote, they are uninformed and vote for hair, or a suit, or whatever...not all of them but way too many

469 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:37:47pm

re: #464 Rightwingconspirator

We should talk about a few recipes I could let you have...

If you're gonna do it, do it quickly.
The pages are being put together as we write.
The e-mail address to send them is at the cookbook blog, which is where you'll go if you click my nic.

470 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:38:04pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

First the Jews were the Jews. Then the Muslims were the Jews. Now the nuts are the Jews...
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)

Somebody let me know when the atheists get to be to Jews. I've got the gravlax down but I need time to work on my matza balls.

You would think that with the number of people who want to be us, we would be more popular.

471 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:39:02pm

re: #435 Jimmah

Please reply, with the 'foul language' you are referring to in bold.

I wasn't talking to you, creep.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:39:15pm

re: #458 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh the story is easy... Europeans funded it and then the funds to maintain it were taken by corrupt PA and then Hamasnicks for their war efforts.

The Palis receive more financial aid per capita than any other people on the planet, and yet, it never seems to go where it was intended.

Why did Europeans think Gaza needed a zoo? (OK, I can just about guess, but dear God, a ZOO?)

473 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #435 Jimmah

Please reply, with the 'foul language' you are referring to in bold.

For crying out loud, maybe he just does not care for the poster, no matter the post. I didn't almost get to minus 2000 because I was popular. Many will be down dinged for a "Good morning Lizards" , deal with it, it's a conservative 1st amendment right to ding down.
Hell, TFK took advantage of that right on most every post I made, and I lived through it. :)

474 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:40:04pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

I wasn't talking to you, creep.

Awfully close to foul language there I'd say.

475 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:40:12pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

First the Jews were the Jews. Then the Muslims were the Jews. Now the nuts are the Jews...
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)

Somebody let me know when the atheists get to be to Jews. I've got the gravlax down but I need time to work on my matza balls.

The silver haired gopher has gone crackers.

476 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:40:20pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

I wasn't talking to you, creep.

Take it easy, you are being wound up.

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:41:20pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

First the Jews were the Jews. Then the Muslims were the Jews. Now the nuts are the Jews...
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)

Somebody let me know when the atheists get to be to Jews. I've got the gravlax down but I need time to work on my matza balls.

The secret is to use almost double the amount of oil the recipe on the box calls for. Simmer on a nice low heat at least twenty minutes.

478 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:41:41pm
479 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:01pm

re: #473 avanti

For crying out loud, maybe he just does not care for the poster, no matter the post. I didn't almost get to minus 2000 because I was popular. Many will be down dinged for a "Good morning Lizards" , deal with it, it's a conservative 1st amendment right to ding down.
Hell, TFK took advantage of that right on most every post I made, and I lived through it. :)

you were a legend...but now you've been overtaken...such is life

480 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #473 avanti

Rama dama ding down


Good night all

481 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:18pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

First the Jews were the Jews. Then the Muslims were the Jews. Now the nuts are the Jews...
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)

Somebody let me know when the atheists get to be to Jews. I've got the gravlax down but I need time to work on my matza balls.

I make my own gravlax, too. The problem is the slicing. I need to get a home-affordable Hobart machine so I can cut it, well, waahfer thin, Monsieur Creosote!

482 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:24pm

re: #477 SanFranciscoZionist

The secret is to use almost double the amount of oil the recipe on the box calls for. Simmer on a nice low heat at least twenty minutes.

The best matza balls always use a little chicken shmaltz.

483 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:26pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

I wasn't talking to you, creep.

More insults, and the tacit admission that there is no foul language in the post you downdinged.
You lied when you claimed that was the reason. You've been called out on it.
And your response is to call the person who pointed it out a 'creep'.

Well done, Emily Post. I guess your tender sensibilities are just fine with insults, huh? So long as it's you dealing them out. But a post mocking the dump that slanders LGF and CJ on a daily, if not hourly basis? Oh no, that must be downdinged. Unacceptable!

Pathetic.

484 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:40pm

OK.

I don't have time to deal with another pissing match.

Stop it now or I'll close the thread.

485 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:46pm

re: #474 McSpiff

Awfully close to foul language there I'd say.

IOKIYAR.

486 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:42:50pm

re: #478 WindHorse

iceweasel... why are you always looking for someone to slaughter?

Um, take a look at the history of this. Just a hint.

487 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:43:02pm

re: #476 Bagua

Take it easy, you are being wound up.

I hate piling on, I didn't care for it when I was the leftie whipping boy, and like don't like it against those on the right either. Provoking a fellow Lizard to losing his/her temper just sucks.

488 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:43:06pm

re: #473 avanti

For crying out loud, maybe he just does not care for the poster, no matter the post. I didn't almost get to minus 2000 because I was popular. Many will be down dinged for a "Good morning Lizards" , deal with it, it's a conservative 1st amendment right to ding down.
Hell, TFK took advantage of that right on most every post I made, and I lived through it. :)

Almost lived through it, you've been reduced to sticking up for conservatives, which may indicate that you didn't survive as well as you thought. :)
//

489 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

Wow...just when you think Beck can't get any more insane. How insulting to ACTUAL victims of fascism.

490 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:44:33pm

re: #487 avanti

Agreed.

491 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:44:59pm

re: #481 austin_blue

If you freeze it for about 20-30 minutes before slicing it really helps.

492 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:45:04pm

re: #487 avanti

I hate piling on, I didn't care for it when I was the leftie whipping boy, and like don't like it against those on the right either. Provoking a fellow Lizard to losing his/her temper just sucks.

yup...take a look at this Stud will ya?...you got beer?

493 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:45:39pm

re: #482 LudwigVanQuixote

The best matza balls always use a little chicken shmaltz.

Mmmm...schmaltz...Kosher butter...

494 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:45:51pm

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

Almost lived through it, you've been reduced to sticking up for conservatives, which may indicate that you didn't survive as well as you thought. :)
//

I'm not switching teams, I just want a fair game Walter.:)

495 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:13pm

re: #485 iceweasel

IOKIYAR.

Yeah right.

496 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #493 austin_blue

Mmmm...schmaltz...Kosher butter...

Butter is kosher too... just not with chicken.

To be honest, that chumra never made sense to me.

497 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:25pm

re: #494 avanti

I'm not switching teams, I just want a fair game Walter.:)

I know, I was being nice to you :)

498 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:30pm
499 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:41pm

re: #492 albusteve

yup...take a look at this Stud will ya?...you got beer?

Beer ? it's not just for breakfast now.

500 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:51pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Maybe it was Fowl language?

No?

Hey, Krager, what's a Henweigh?

;-)

I remember that line from "That's My Bush"!

501 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:46:52pm

re: #495 Mich-again

Yeah right.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

502 peterb  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

I will not rest until a picture of my face is featured as part of "GOP faces" at the top

It's likely in the extreme that those are just stock photos. That's pretty much standard operating procedure for any corporate web site.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #489 bratwurst

Wow...just when you think Beck can't get any more insane. How insulting to ACTUAL victims of fascism.

I think Beck may have a long way to go. Insanity seems to come natural to him.

What a goddamn...HOW THE FUCK DARE HE???!!!???

OK, that helped.

504 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:47:44pm

re: #496 LudwigVanQuixote

Butter is kosher too... just not with chicken.

To be honest, that chumra never made sense to me.

The ol' slippery slope. In my book Chicken ain't meat. You can't cook a chicken in the milk of its mother, after all.

505 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:48:13pm

re: #499 avanti

Beer ? it's not just for breakfast now.

especially when old cars are involved

506 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:48:49pm

re: #483 iceweasel

Ice,

You know full well that there have been times when I have lost it here.

It would be hypocrisy of me on the highest level to say I don't get it, or that I don't do it.

However, this fight doesn't seem worth it to me.

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:49:02pm

re: #496 LudwigVanQuixote

Butter is kosher too... just not with chicken.

To be honest, that chumra never made sense to me.

It doesn't make any sense. That's why. But there it is, and I've learned to make a pretty good Southwestern cream sauce for chicken with Tofutti cream cheese.

508 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:49:20pm

re: #502 peterb

Good grief, was that an on topic comment? I forget.

509 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:49:22pm

re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice,

You know full well that there have been times when I have lost it here.

It would be hypocrisy of me on the highest level to say I don't get it, or that I don't do it.

However, this fight doesn't seem worth it to me.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

510 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:49:34pm

re: #504 Coracle

The ol' slippery slope. In my book Chicken ain't meat. You can't cook a chicken in the milk of its mother, after all.

Exactly. That is why it is a chumrah.

But of course the chumrah became tradition, and then what are you going to do?

511 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #465 iceweasel

That was completely believable, Emily Post.

Except that 1) I didn't use any foul language and
2) I have this idea you didn't faint dead away or downding any of the many, many people on this blog who called the president a "fucking commie bastard: -- habitually.

I took your use of "grief-hole" as being foul language.
I will admit that you have a unique way of expressing yourself which does often rub me the wrong way, much moreso than many, many others here. But don't take it personally, I'm working on it.
Let's just leave off the baiting now, shall we?

512 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:17pm

If you folks need to do something, why don't you take some of this anger, go over to Hot Air, and defend LGF against the sheer rubbish that's going on over there?

513 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:20pm

re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice,

You know full well that there have been times when I have lost it here.

It would be hypocrisy of me on the highest level to say I don't get it, or that I don't do it.

However, this fight doesn't seem worth it to me.

wise council

514 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:35pm

re: #511 Spare O'Lake

I took your use of "grief-hole" as being foul language.
I will admit that you have a unique way of expressing yourself which does often rub me the wrong way, much moreso than many, many others here. But don't take it personally, I'm working on it.
Let's just leave off the baiting now, shall we?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

515 Coracle  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:38pm

re: #510 LudwigVanQuixote

Exactly. That is why it is a chumrah.

But of course the chumrah became tradition, and then what are you going to do?

[Tevye] TRADITION! Ehhh...[/Tevye]

516 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:51:16pm

Now the white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain is getting into the act at Hot Air too.

517 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:51:53pm

re: #515 Coracle

[Tevye] TRADITION! Ehhh...[/Tevye]

BTW Chumrah means stringency. It is always a fence. I don't have an issue with fences, but the fences around the fences can get a little silly.

518 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:51:59pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

If you freeze it for about 20-30 minutes before slicing it really helps.


[Video]

Thanks! So that's how it's done. (I've just *got* to get one on of those thin carving knives. That thing is killer bee.)

519 brandon13  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:52:04pm

"What Up?" was bad, but not as bad as Romney's "who let the dog's out."

Your text to link...

520 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:52:36pm

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Beck may have a long way to go. Insanity seems to come natural to him.

What a goddamn...HOW THE FUCK DARE HE???!!!???

OK, that helped.


I just hope nobody gets seriously hurt before he is through. I feel ridiculous saying such a thing about a wacky TV host, but I am honestly concerned about the possibility.

521 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:52:47pm

Now that Allahpundit's no longer around to issue his weak tea admonitions, they're REALLY getting ugly at Hot Air.

522 peterb  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:53:35pm

re: #521 Charles

Now that Allahpundit's no longer around to issue his weak tea admonitions, they're REALLY getting ugly at Hot Air.

If you look into a sewer, you're likely to see feces.

523 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:53:43pm

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Beck may have a long way to go. Insanity seems to come natural to him.

What a goddamn...HOW THE FUCK DARE HE???!!!???

OK, that helped.

I am right with you on that. As a general rule of thumb, I do not care to see the deaths of family members used for cheap debate points in unrelated topics.

524 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice,

You know full well that there have been times when I have lost it here.

It would be hypocrisy of me on the highest level to say I don't get it, or that I don't do it.

However, this fight doesn't seem worth it to me.

You see why I'm still fond of you despite all words? Let us peruse this Hot Air thing of which he speaks!

What is the etiquette for such a visit?

525 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:54:16pm

re: #516 Charles

Now the white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain is getting into the act at Hot Air too.

I thought you discouraged cross-blog posting, in the "blog war" sense of things. I'd be glad to boot some tail when the idiots are reckless.

Just asking.

526 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:54:25pm

re: #521 Charles

Now that Allahpundit's no longer around to issue his weak tea admonitions, they're REALLY getting ugly at Hot Air.

Because they want to show they can no doubt... They are such bad boys after all.

527 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:54:32pm

re: #469 reine.de.tout

To your Inbox
Champagne shrimp

528 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:55:33pm

re: #524 Bagua

You see why I'm still fond of you despite all words? Let us peruse this Hot Air thing of which he speaks!

What is the etiquette for such a visit?

Actually the exact opposite of what you would espouse here...

We are dealing with true thugs and creeps there. So I would recommend loading for bear and shooting for the groin.

529 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:55:43pm

re: #487 avanti

I hate piling on, I didn't care for it when I was the leftie whipping boy, and like don't like it against those on the right either. Provoking a fellow Lizard to losing his/her temper just sucks.

Quite Concur. I remember all the times I updinged you to counter unjustified downdings. You deserve the positive karma you now have and I'm glad the dogpiles stopped.

530 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:55:53pm

re: #496 LudwigVanQuixote

Butter is kosher too... just not with chicken.

To be honest, that chumra never made sense to me.

What not yoking the ox to the cow? Inserted into received wisdom by the Platemakers and Refrigerators Guild, circa 1157 BCE.

531 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:56:05pm

re: #512 Charles

Ahh music to calm the atmosphere

Going over to that thread

532 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:56:15pm

re: #520 bratwurst

I just hope nobody gets seriously hurt before he is through. I feel ridiculous saying such a thing about a wacky TV host, but I am honestly concerned about the possibility.

I don't think that's an exaggerated or baseless worry at all, unfortunately.

Armed Glenn Beck Fan Planned National Guard Base Assault

Now I think I'll be going to check out HotAir. I hope we do have a regular feature on their comments. No one else does AFAIK and a lot of people would read it.

533 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:57:27pm

re: #505 albusteve

especially when old cars are involved

Just bought this nearly done 64 Studebaker truck this week.

truck.

534 rollwave87  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:57:57pm

the blog name was a transparent attempt at coolness by mr. steele...but as for the new look of gop.com itself...can i say that i kind of like it? im not a web designer but just aesthetically it actually seems sorta cool. and i say this as a 22 year old. but also someone who's pretty disillusioned with his party right now. so id like to see some actual embracing of modernity in the GOP (for example, stop promoting domestic bigotry) instead of just a decently contempo. looking website.

535 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:58:03pm

re: #528 LudwigVanQuixote

We are dealing with true thugs and creeps there. So I would recommend ...

I would rate that comment Over the Top.

536 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:58:05pm

Some music for Hot Air. Could be the new Hot Air theme soon.

537 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

To your Inbox
Champagne shrimp

GREAT!

538 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:59:08pm

re: #533 avanti

Just bought this nearly done 64 Studebaker truck this week.

truck.

the trucks were more handsome than their cars, imo...nice pic

539 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:59:33pm

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I remember all the times I updinged you to counter unjustified downdings. You deserve the positive karma you now have and I'm glad the dogpiles stopped.

Dark, you had my back, and I won't forget it. We differ politically, but you're are never anything but civil.

540 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:59:42pm

re: #532 iceweasel

I don't have an ID there and the window is closed now, but I am a patient person.

541 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:00:15pm

re: #522 peterb

If you look into a sewer, you're likely to see feces.

In the market for a sewer inspection cam?
[Link: www.rjmcompany.com...]

542 Pythagoras  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:01:07pm

re: #512 Charles

If you folks need to do something, why don't you take some of this anger, go over to Hot Air, and defend LGF against the sheer rubbish that's going on over there?

Too much work. I can't follow it all.

543 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:01:17pm

re: #538 albusteve

the trucks were more handsome than their cars, imo...nice pic

Trivia question. Do you recognize where Studebaker got the PU box ?

544 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:01:27pm

re: #539 avanti

Dark, you had my back, and I won't forget it. We differ politically, but you're are never anything but civil.

The Falcon is a true mensch.

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:01:52pm

re: #544 austin_blue

The Falcon is a true mensch.

Always.

546 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:02:07pm

re: #539 avanti

Dark, you had my back, and I won't forget it. We differ politically, but you're are never anything but civil.

*sniff*

547 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:02:28pm
548 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:03:02pm

Well Hot Air keeps crashing my browser.

I'll try one more time, but I will shortly take this as an omen to stop.

549 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:03:21pm

re: #539 avanti

Dark, you had my back, and I won't forget it. We differ politically, but you're are never anything but civil.

Holy moly... it's getting thick in here... should I make a confession too... Hey Av... I've always thought of ya like a little bruther... ya knows that... come here an lets me gives ya a big hug... you big galoot... :) (had enough?)

550 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:03:25pm

re: #543 avanti

Trivia question. Do you recognize where Studebaker got the PU box ?

it's not a Ford or Chevy style...I have no clue

551 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:04:09pm
552 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:04:40pm

re: #551 WindHorse

Huh?

553 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:05:11pm
554 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:05:56pm

re: #553 WindHorse

huh? you can't read Engrisch?

Hello troll. Did you forget your meds today?

555 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:06:09pm
556 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:06:28pm
557 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:06:57pm

re: #551 WindHorse

Phew! Thank goodness that got in the record!

558 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:07:01pm

re: #555 WindHorse

Well isn't that special...

Here in the happy flower room we have many activities for you.

559 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:07:13pm

Flounce!

560 bosforus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:07:53pm

Dark_Falcon is teh cool. Undeniably.

561 carefulnow  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:08:00pm

Why do I keep expecting this to be a new Jib-Jab cartoon?

562 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:08:01pm

re: #550 albusteve

it's not a Ford or Chevy style...I have no clue

They bought the tooling for a older Dodge bed.

563 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:08:22pm

re: #556 WindHorse

Yes troll. That was an outrageous comment in this thread.

564 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:08:44pm

re: #543 avanti

Trivia question. Do you recognize where Studebaker got the PU box ?

I'd say Dodge...

565 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:08:59pm

re: #551 WindHorse

You know who you sound like, WindHorse? You sound like Rodan. That's what he calls me. And since you persist in this display of butthurt hostility, allow me to rate your actions:

566 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:09:27pm

re: #557 bosforus

Phew! Thank goodness that got in the record!

Wonder if that was yet another TFK sock, he said he was on the thread.

567 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:24pm

re: #564 talon_262

I'd say Dodge...

Bingo.

568 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:26pm

re: #566 avanti

Wonder if that was yet another TFK sock, he said he was on the thread.

Windhorse had been a Lizard since 2005 and had over 3000 postings, I don't think he was a sock puppet for anyone.

FYI.

569 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:40pm

re: #566 avanti

Wonder if that was yet another TFK sock, he said he was on the thread.

Seemed like his particular form of incoherent hostility. And it certainly did involve some of his very special targets.

Sad little freak that he is.

570 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:43pm

re: #562 avanti

They bought the tooling for a older Dodge bed.

ha!...my only guess, by default tho...not expertice...a very sparse design as Dodge always was

571 avanti  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:11:03pm

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

Windhorse had been a Lizard since 2005 and had over 3000 postings, I don't think he was a sock puppet for anyone.

FYI.

Sorry, I did not know that.

572 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:11:18pm

re: #569 iceweasel

Seemed like his particular form of incoherent hostility. And it certainly did involve some of his very special targets.

Sad little freak that he is.

FYI
Windhorse had been a Lizard since 2005 and had over 3000 postings, I don't think he was a sock puppet for anyone.

573 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:11:40pm

re: #571 avanti

Sorry, I did not know that.

No apology, just passing on the info.

574 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:12:25pm

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

No apology, just passing on the info.

fine...pass the gravy, make yourself useful

575 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:13:25pm

You know, some evenings this place is like some horror movie where you're sitting with your friends havin' a beer and all of a sudden one of them has glowing red eyes and a long flickering tongue, and you have to stake them. I mean, good grief. What was that about?

576 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:13:31pm

re: #574 albusteve

fine...pass the gravy, make yourself useful

Gravy, this time of night?

577 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:13:54pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, some evenings this place is like some horror movie where you're sitting with your friends havin' a beer and all of a sudden one of them has glowing red eyes and a long flickering tongue, and you have to stake them. I mean, good grief. What was that about?

I am new around here, was about to ask you the same thing!

578 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:14:24pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, some evenings this place is like some horror movie where you're sitting with your friends havin' a beer and all of a sudden one of them has glowing red eyes and a long flickering tongue, and you have to stake them. I mean, good grief. What was that about?

El demonio!

Garlic and a mirror helps sometimes.

//

579 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:14:50pm

re: #540 Mich-again

I don't have an ID there and the window is closed now, but I am a patient person.

That's right, we have to reg there...ugh. I might start visiting their comments more just to get samples of teh crazy. It's hardly worth engaging with them there because they're insane.

580 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:15:17pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, some evenings this place is like some horror movie where you're sitting with your friends havin' a beer and all of a sudden one of them has glowing red eyes and a long flickering tongue, and you have to stake them. I mean, good grief. What was that about?

Sounds like a girl I dated a few years ago, and about that tongue...

581 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:15:22pm

re: #566 avanti

Wonder if that was yet another TFK sock, he said he was on the thread.

I doubt it. Windhorse had enough of his own style, that I wouldn't call him a sock. He's just another long-time poster who decided to embrace the Bad Craziness instead of joining Charles in fighting it. I'm sorry he made the wrong choice, but it was his choice to flounce. Charles only did what any fair-minded administrator would do.

582 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:15:26pm

And sometimes el demonio goes by the name of Jack Daniel or Johnny Walker.

/

583 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:15:40pm

re: #572 Walter L. Newton

FYI
Windhorse had been a Lizard since 2005 and had over 3000 postings, I don't think he was a sock puppet for anyone.

Thanks, didn't know that.

584 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:16:06pm

re: #570 albusteve

ha!...my only guess, by default tho...not expertice...a very sparse design as Dodge always was

Check out my grandpa's old truck.

585 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:16:23pm

re: #576 Walter L. Newton

Gravy, this time of night?

I keep odd hours...not that I like it

586 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:17:46pm

re: #581 Dark_Falcon

I doubt it. Windhorse had enough of his own style, that I wouldn't call him a sock. He's just another long-time poster who decided to embrace the Bad Craziness instead of joining Charles in fighting it. I'm sorry he made the wrong choice, but it was his choice to flounce. Charles only did what any fair-minded administrator would do.

I'll make another futile, plaintive cry:

WTF is wrong with people going crazy over stuff they should have the common sense not to go crazy over?

587 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:18:03pm

re: #581 Dark_Falcon

Reminds me of The Stand...people running off to join Randall Flagg in Las Vegas or something.

588 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:18:11pm

re: #579 iceweasel

I might start visiting their comments more just to get samples of teh crazy. It's hardly worth engaging with them there because they're insane.

Therein lies the problem. Who really wants to go dredge through the sewer looking for QaQa.

589 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:18:42pm

re: #579 iceweasel

That's right, we have to reg there...ugh. I might start visiting their comments more just to get samples of teh crazy. It's hardly worth engaging with them there because they're insane.

I can't, I just can't. Went over there a bit earlier, and just . . . couldn't think of anything that I could say that would whack any of 'em upside the head enough to get their attention.

590 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:19:06pm

re: #582 Gus 802

And sometimes el demonio goes by the name of Jack Daniel or Johnny Walker.

/

I thought that was reserved for MD20/20 and Night Train...

///

591 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:19:37pm

re: #584 Mich-again

Check out my grandpa's old truck.

be worth a mint now...is your name Hollywood?

592 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:19:40pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

They need more than hip help. They need to jettison the racists. Not just the high profile ones like Pat Buchanan but all of them. The Tea Party and Republican blogs are full of racist comments. When minorities see this stuff they go away and never look back.

Very true. And yet, you're asking them to jettison all they have. Get rid of the crazies and the racists to try to seduce a demographic that is more or less democrat. I agree it´s their only choice, but it´s so risky, most will choose for the party to die a slow death.

593 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:20:07pm

re: #521 Charles

Now that Allahpundit's no longer around to issue his weak tea admonitions, they're REALLY getting ugly at Hot Air.

Where does on go to register, there?

594 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:21:10pm

re: #591 albusteve

is your name Hollywood?

Officially, they call me "easy Money" but I'm not sure what that moniker implies.
/

595 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:21:14pm

re: #593 austin_blue

Where does on go to register, there?

Wordpress I think. They open up for registry once every 500 years.

596 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #593 austin_blue

Where does on go to register, there?

Ack "one"

Can't navigate to the correct spot.

597 albusteve  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:21:30pm

re: #588 Mich-again

Therein lies the problem. Who really wants to go dredge through the sewer looking for QaQa.

alot of people, that's who...it's like a hobby

598 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:21:39pm

re: #577 bratwurst

I am new around here, was about to ask you the same thing!

To put it in less ghoulish terms, some of our readers/commenters are unhappy with the topics that are currently being discussed on LGF, and the greater range of political opinions being expressed. Instead of just finding new sites that are more to their liking, some of them like to explode and act out until their accounts get blocked for bad behavior.

Sorry 'bout that. I really think we're almost done with our transition period.

599 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:23:39pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

To put it in less ghoulish terms, some of our readers/commenters are unhappy with the topics that are currently being discussed on LGF, and the greater range of political opinions being expressed. Instead of just finding new sites that are more to their liking, some of them like to explode and act out until their accounts get blocked for bad behavior.

Sorry 'bout that. I really think we're almost done with our transition period.

Mebbe...every door that opens allows socks of all colors to become new hatchlings. All you need is a new IP address and it is almost impossible to track.

600 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:24:10pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

Well I have been reading long enough to get that, but the sudden unprovoked attack from someone who had seemed like a reasonable person an hour or two ago made my head spin. Add that to the hunger caused by the food talk and I am a wreck!

601 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

If he were legit he could email and ask to be unblocked.

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:24:50pm

re: #599 austin_blue

Mebbe...every door that opens allows socks of all colors to become new hatchlings. All you need is a new IP address and it is almost impossible to track.

True, but that's not as disturbing as seeing someone who's been around for a while suddenly go off like a bottle rocket. All sites get trolls and such.

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:26:41pm

re: #600 bratwurst

Well I have been reading long enough to get that, but the sudden unprovoked attack from someone who had seemed like a reasonable person an hour or two ago made my head spin. Add that to the hunger caused by the food talk and I am a wreck!

Go eat something, you'll feel better. Whooo. That was weird, huh?

604 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:27:12pm

re: #586 talon_262

I'll make another futile, plaintive cry:

WTF is wrong with people going crazy over stuff they should have the common sense not to go crazy over?

I don't know. It pains me immensely to watch a long-time poster who I once admired go nuts and spew insults. Windhorse made a horse's ass out of himself. Rodan for his part cheered Windhorse's flounce, thus to both of them I say: I hope one day you two come to realize how badly you've behaved. Until that time, I cordially invited you both to fuck off.

605 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:30:01pm

*hic*
Hi thurr. What I mish?

606 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:30:04pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but that's not as disturbing as seeing someone who's been around for a while suddenly go off like a bottle rocket. All sites get trolls and such.

Much more disturbing, IMO. A reminder that we don't really know the person behind the internet persona when all we know is a few public interactions.

Much crazy lurks in the depths.

607 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:31:16pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

To put it in less ghoulish terms, some of our readers/commenters are unhappy with the topics that are currently being discussed on LGF, and the greater range of political opinions being expressed. Instead of just finding new sites that are more to their liking, some of them like to explode and act out until their accounts get blocked for bad behavior.

Sorry 'bout that. I really think we're almost done with our transition period.

Somebody said in the past day or two that somone over at the Deuce had a list of Lizards likely to bail/get the stick from here and join them and that most of them (save one, IIRC) has done just that...my theory is that while most of us (sane) Lizards were shocked or surprised by many of their departures, they already were in league with each other or at least knew each other's true nature with a wink and a nod. While most of us considered some of them friends, they knew the game was up once Charles made it clear in no uncertain terms that he wasn't gonna take LGF off the "right-wing" cliff like so many former allies, so there they go, blissfully into the abyss.

608 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:31:39pm

re: #605 Spare O'Lake

*hic*
Hi thurr. What I mish?

Windhorse turned troll, spewed insults and bile and then got the stick. Uglier than a typical flounce but like all flounces it was both sad and lame.

609 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:33:51pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but that's not as disturbing as seeing someone who's been around for a while suddenly go off like a bottle rocket. All sites get trolls and such.

Yeah, it's like they reach a tipping point...and blam! Off they go.

610 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:34:28pm

re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist

Go eat something, you'll feel better. Whooo. That was weird, huh?

LOL! One Jewish mother is enough. ;-) I am going to read and then go to bed to dream about matzo balls. Goodnight Lizards!

611 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:36:13pm

re: #607 talon_262

Left something out...a message to all of our backstabbing, ignorant stalker "friends" that have since departed or got the stick:

Bite me and get f**ked...if this is how you really are, I don't want your "help" anyway.

612 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:37:49pm

re: #608 Dark_Falcon

Windhorse turned troll, spewed insults and bile and then got the stick. Uglier than a typical flounce but like all flounces it was both sad and lame.

Well thatsh *burp* jesh wunnerful *hic*.
G'nite all.

613 Bagua  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:38:18pm

re: #606 iceweasel

Much more disturbing, IMO. A reminder that we don't really know the person behind the internet persona when all we know is a few public interactions.

Much crazy lurks in the depths.


Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men

614 Gus  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #606 iceweasel

Much more disturbing, IMO. A reminder that we don't really know the person behind the internet persona when all we know is a few public interactions.

Much crazy lurks in the depths.

Oddly enough sometimes it's the overtly nice ones that make a sudden change in personalities. Maybe that isn't very odd though. It's hard to tell where a person is coming from on the internet. The extremes of behavior are an internet tradition you can say. ;) Especially having gazed at USENET groups for some time during the early days. Folks will carry feuds on for years and I believe some of them have reached a decade's worth of obsessions over there.

615 Danny  Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:45:56pm

re: #606 iceweasel

Much crazy lurks in the depths.

LOL, where the hell do you find these graphics?

616 Liberal Classic  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:33:54am

re: #615 Danny

LOL, where the hell do you find these graphics?

If we told you, you'd go insane.


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