Hot Air Comments of the Day

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Here’s our latest installment of a new recurring feature — the most disgusting comments recently posted at Hot Air, and not deleted or even disapproved of by the “moderators.” There’s an endless stream of this kind of hate speech at Hot Air, and I don’t expect we’ll run out of material very soon. (Thanks to the LGF readers who helped point out today’s batch of ugliness.)

Hot Air � Blog Archive � Dems worried low turnout among black voters will lose them the House

Wait a sec. Are they worried about the colored folks escaping the Uncle Sam’s Plantation (a.k.a the DNC) or that they’re just living up to the stereotype of being shiftless and lazy?

mizflame98 on October 14, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Hot Air » Blog Archive » AP to Palin: Olympia Snowe’s the real maverick in this party

Olympia Snowe is scum. She needs to be strapped into an electric chair.

Percy_Peabody on October 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Hot Air » Blog Archive » MSNBC guest: For Limbaugh, owning an NFL team would be like owning a plantation

If she says this about him being a plantation owner can we really say what we think she is?

I’d tell you but I’d have to say an old south word that only blacks are allowed to say about other blacks.

Let’s just say she’s a racist ________(insert appropriate name or slang term here)______.

PappyD61 on October 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM

[…]

If she says this about him being a plantation owner can we really say what we think she is?

I already did and apparently Allahpundit deleted it. Pusssy.

Blake on October 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM

(Lots more vile remarks in that thread, by the way.)

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Michael Steele launches new blog called, um, “What Up?”

Blacks made up 1.5% of the GOP Delegates. They make up over 50% of the faces on Steele’s website.

What up Michael Steele?

Decider on October 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Hot Air » Blog Archive » New secret weapon in selling ObamaCare: Michelle Obama

She got her pimp suit on. Is barky gonna play the prostitute?

lonestar1 on September 17, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Hot Air » Blog Archive » MSNBC guest: For Limbaugh, owning an NFL team would be like owning a plantation

MSNBC is the new KKK

Lynchings are next

faraway on October 13, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Let’s not forget the hundreds of comments previously posted, calling Michelle Obama a “wookie.” (It’s a sleazy way to call Michelle Obama an “ape,” without actually using that word.)

And of course, the comments I pointed out yesterday, calling me a “child molester,” are still posted and those commenters have not been blocked.

Stay classy, Hot Air!

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413 comments
1 Splatt  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:52:32pm

Here's one from Malkin's site...


On October 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pm, roadrage said:
If Chewy doesn’t want to come visit us in SC that’s fine with me.
Frankly, I wish the Housseins would stay out of DC too.

There's a lot more. But I don't feel like posting them and I'm not putting up a link.

2 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:52:36pm

What's that saying, something about not dignifying that with a response?
The outrage perps will probably love having their thoughts reprised.

3 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:53:56pm

re: #2 tradewind

Hot Air will never make an attempt to clean up unless someone outside points out the dirt.

4 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #2 tradewind

They might scurry from the light.

5 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:54:41pm

Stay classy Hot Air

6 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:55:06pm

re: #2 tradewind

Someone needs to put these idiot racists in their places. Hey, that rhymes.

7 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:55:39pm

Really Charles, Just call those sites bat country and tag posts on them with that in honor of Hunter S. Thompson. :) The pundits over there are playing in a cesspool and are later going to wonder why they're covered in shit.

8 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #6 bosforus

Someone needs to put these idiot racists in their places. Hey, that rhymes.

You're a poet and didn't realize it.

9 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:57:55pm
She got her pimp suit on. Is barky gonna play the prostitute?

lonestar1 on September 17, 2009 at 9:43 PM

This is just disgusting. I wonder if the level of misogyny raised during the election with Hillary and then growing greater with Sarah somehow gave people the impression it was culturally acceptable to belittle women in this way, because it seems misogynistic attacks are fashionable at hot air.

10 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:57:57pm

That "P" word is not spelled properly.

11 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:58:00pm
12 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:58:03pm

re: #3 jaunte

Hot Air will never make an attempt to clean up unless someone outside points out the dirt.

Even then, I find it doubtful. My guess is that they'll try to troll LGF and other sites for their comments.

13 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #3 jaunte

This is gonna do it. I can feel it.
Seriously, isn't it just pushing traffic?
You'd think there'd be more low hanging fruit at the completely whacko sites that abound... like the stalker sites.
Then again, they don't get a lot of traffic.

14 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:59:24pm
15 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:59:49pm

re: #11 bopone

This is an anti-idiotarian site, and always has been. If it seems LGF is more critical of people on the right at this time, it's because it's the right that's decided to run with idiocy.

16 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 12:59:52pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

“A Big Mashed-Up Bag of Meat with Lipstick on It”

Must be a holiday we don't know about.

17 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:00:09pm
18 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:00:15pm

re: #11 bopone

Um, it isn't so much that Charles has turned into a RW critic from a LW one. It is that so much of the RW blogosphere has been infacted with crazy recently. He criticizes the LW as well.

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:00:17pm

There's a new juicy thread up...
Dems worried low turnout among black voters will lose them the House

“All your blacks are belong to us“- Bleeds Blue.

portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM


...


I’m sure this will be misconstrued, but past voter turnout suggests that “free stuff” seems to help. The dems just need to promise more free stuff.

Rational Thought on October 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM


...


Blacks will only turn out for black candidates I guess…

OmahaConservative on October 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM

20 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:00:25pm

re: #11 bopone

Show me one time where Charles did something like this? You can access the search function. Have fun.

21 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:00:46pm

I understand Glenn Beck's next book will be called "Triumph of the Shill". Sarah Palin was going to use the title, till someone (now fired) pointed out that she failed to...triumph.

22 Bagua  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:01:18pm

HotAir is a cesspool, I went over there last night to challenge any false claims against LGF, but after reading through a couple of threads I had to leave as it is clear the level of discourse there is pub talk, always has been.

23 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Triumph of the Shill! Great stuff, Cato.

24 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #22 Bagua

HotAir is a cesspool, I went over there last night to challenge any false claims against LGF, but after reading through a couple of threads I had to leave as it is clear the level of discourse there is pub talk, always has been.

Hey now, that's an insult...

to pub talk. Pub talk is on a much higher plane than the shit over at Hot Air.

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

another one...

Wait a sec. Are they worried about the colored folks escaping the Uncle Sam’s Plantation (a.k.a the DNC) or that they’re just living up to the stereotype of being shiftless and lazy?

mizflame98 on October 14, 2009 at 3:50 PM

26 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:04:04pm

lots of hilarious southern slavery revisionism going on at stalkerblog.com

27 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:04:30pm

re: #3 jaunte

Hot Air will never make an attempt to clean up unless someone outside points out the dirt.

I agree. They're going to have to be shamed into moderating their site, and that speaks to the character of the moderators. I don't think Ed and AP agree with their readers in this regard. I do think they placed a dollar amount on personal decency, however.

28 freetoken  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:04:35pm

Since we are on the topic of racism I decided to check out what the leading internet racists are up to... ugh. Sorting of past Nobel winners into "ice" people and "sun" people, to show that Obama's win had to be affirmative action (Fulford did this.)

Oh, and it looks like a possible outrage on the horizon (hmm... gives me an idea, we need an "outrage forecast" similar to a weather forecast) is the bill in Congress to try and get the Puerto Ricans to vote for statehood.

29 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #26 spacejesus

lots of hilarious southern slavery revisionism going on at stalkerblog.com

If anyone wants to know why those people were banned from LGF, thats a good thread to start with.

30 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:06:02pm

re: #26 spacejesus

lots of hilarious southern slavery revisionism going on at stalkerblog.com

Considering some of the denziens of the Deuce, I'm not surprised. Of course, the thread was written by the Confederate apologist LanceKates.

31 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:06:44pm

re: #11 bopone

Bye now, dipshit...

32 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:06:54pm

I don't know anything about who runs Hot Air, or any of the other sites that are mentioned here. But there are only three things that the site owner of Hot Air can possibly do considering the fact that the site evidently has become a breeding ground of obscene and fully racist commenters.

1) Start policing his site and delete these kinds of comments.
2) Make a plain and simple rule about posting this sort of trash.
3) Or shut the site down.

It's really simple. If he/she cannot fails to do this, then there is only one assumption left, that the owner condones this sort of thinking.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I would remove anyone from my home if they talked like this, the owner of Hot Air can remove these comments. If the owner of Hot Air does not agree with this sort of rhetoric, then the options are clear and defined.

Stop it or shut it down.

33 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #22 Bagua
Your thinking of a Tavern...
We are Gentelmen in the Pub's...
Apology accepted...in advance!
/LOL

34 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:08:41pm
35 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:09:41pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

I agree. They're going to have to be shamed into moderating their site, and that speaks to the character of the moderators. I don't think Ed and AP agree with their readers in this regard. I do think they placed a dollar amount on personal decency, however.

If they don't agree with the general sentiments of their posters, then they apparently will tolerate and cater to the bad craziness so long as they get a decent check off of it.

/To Ed and AP, how much is your soul worth?

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:09:42pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

2) Make a plain and simple rule about posting this sort of trash.

They did just that after Killgore forced their hand. The air heads are still furious about it, and now they get around it by intentionally misspelling their insults. Not only that- it's clear this policy is hardly being enforced.

They don't want to work at moderating, and the posters don't want them to.

37 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:10:14pm

People are still at the tuquoquean stage of trying to prove that the Hateful Left is as bad or worse than the Hateful Right.

Maybe so. But who has all the guns?

38 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

Not cool.

39 SeaMonkey  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:11:12pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

How did Killgore do that?

40 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:11:36pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

What??
Don't go there...

41 Hening  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:11:43pm

Did I miss all the outrage over the Huffpo site?

42 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:12:06pm

re: #41 Hening

Did I miss all the outrage over the Huffpo site?

Apparently you did.

43 KingKenrod  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #1 Splatt

Here's one from Malkin's site...

On October 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pm, roadrage said:
If Chewy doesn’t want to come visit us in SC that’s fine with me.
Frankly, I wish the Housseins would stay out of DC too.

There's a lot more. But I don't feel like posting them and I'm not putting up a link.

Malkin has been the target of ugly racist language, you would think natural empathy would make her try a little harder to keep her own house in order.

44 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:12:40pm

Thanks Charles...!

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:12:41pm

re: #39 SeaMonkey

I went over there one night and made a big stink. It was quite a spectacle from what I recall. I still can't bring myself to look at the screenshots.

46 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:13:03pm

Note to Confederate revisionists: The Civil war was about states rights. States rights to legalize slavery. (Id-juts)

47 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:13:07pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

My comment? If so sorry. It was aimed at Lonestar

48 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:13:23pm

re: #43 KingKenrod

Malkin has been the target of ugly racist language, you would think natural empathy would make her try a little harder to keep her own house in order.

One would think, but apparently Ms. Malkin is not thinking. She's drinking the same Kool Aid as Pam Geller right now.

49 simoom  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:13:33pm

Hot Air armchair revolutionaries:

October 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Can we kindly have a Waco incident so we can start the rebellion NOW?

October 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM

This is why we are headed for civil war. The libs have no interest in anything but total control over your life and the destruction of capitalism/profit. They must be stopped by any means necessary. Liberals hate freedom and individualism…I say again…THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

October 7, 2009 at 5:07 PM

First it was carbon dioxide, now it is oxygen. Next it will be neon, which is gonna really screw up the lighting down at the bar. Maybe, just maybe, that will be enough to trigger the revolt.

October 8, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Here is how I envision a civil war beginning.

1.A destructive health care bill, Cap and Trade and a version of the Fairness Doctrine pass.
2.The Democrats retain control of the House and Senate in the midterm elections, with suspicion of significant voter fraud.
3.The economy continues to deteriorate, and unemployment continues to rise.
4.A protest is put down violently.

October 8, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Not bad.

Definitely agree that an imploding USD/economy will be part of it.

The real trigger for rebellion will be when gas prices skyrocket with food and Obama tries to restrict speech and take away guns or stop the internet.

50 freetoken  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #43 KingKenrod

You do understand that MM hosted a special website on immigration whose key writer was/is a favorite VDARE racist, and that MM herself is part of that bandwagon?

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:14:59pm

Hot Airhead sez...

I got banned in about ten days on LGF. Hot Air is much more cooler. I get to say all kinds of crazy stuff.

Akzed on October 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM


Heh.

52 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:15:20pm

re: #43 KingKenrod

Malkin has been the target of ugly racist language, you would think natural empathy would make her try a little harder to keep her own house in order.

Just like Ed and AP have done at HA, Malkin either agrees with the general sentiment of her posters or has sold their soul and integrity for the almighty dollar...either way, it's disgusting.

53 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:15:25pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

They did just that after Killgore forced their hand. The air heads are still furious about it, and now they get around it by intentionally misspelling their insults. Not only that- it's clear this policy is hardly being enforced.

They don't want to work at moderating, and the posters don't want them to.

Like I say, I don't know what they do at these sites that are mentioned here, I don't go there, except if Charles has linked something I want to see, and even then, rarely.

Then it's down to two points, Hot Air agrees or shut it down, there is no other way around this.

54 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:15:43pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Hot Airhead sez...


Heh.

How very nice for him.

/

55 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:15:46pm

re: #3 jaunte

Hot Air will never make an attempt to clean up unless someone outside points out the dirt.

HotAir seems to be suffering from the same issue their readers suffer from - anger at the messenger, not at what is actually going on. The readers are not upset with the meltdown of the GOP, they are upset with LGF for pointing it out. HotAir isn't nearly as upset with the vile comments left by their readers as they are angry with whoever points it out to them.

It's a mystery to me.

56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:16:23pm

re: #50 freetoken

You do understand that MM hosted a special website on immigration whose key writer was/is a favorite VDARE racist, and that MM herself is part of that bandwagon?

Not only that, Malkin has posted several times about open white supremacist Peter Brimelow, calling him a "friend."

57 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:16:48pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Ten days?
Not even close to the record!!
Under Achieving pond scum...
/

58 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:17:17pm

re: #44 reloadingisnotahobby

Hiya reloading, not sure if you've been around here much but it doesn't seem like I've seen you in a while? How's your neck of the Utah woods been? Cold no doubt.

59 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:17:28pm

Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes.

Youtube Video
60 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:17:59pm

re: #58 bosforus

Hiya reloading, not sure if you've been around here much but it doesn't seem like I haven't seen you in a while? How's your neck of the Utah woods been? Cold no doubt.

61 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:18:11pm

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

One would think, but apparently Ms. Malkin is not thinking. She's drinking the same Kool Aid as Pam Geller right now.

I think she always was.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:18:33pm

Gosh. I keep saying this...

"See why I don't go to other blogs?"

63 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:19:14pm

re: #58 bosforus

It's been nice!
Overcast and breezy today but I need a break to get this cold under control!
I was in some ugliness on the Spike hunt!
How U Duin?

64 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:19:52pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. I keep saying this...

"See why I don't go to other blogs?"


Yup and yup. With all due respect to the host I get to exchange plenty of bull droppings here in a relatively moderate environment. Why do I need to get more?

65 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:20:07pm

There goes 'Hening' with his crusader avatar through the threads, posting one comment supporting extremism after another.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:20:35pm

re: #50 freetoken

THERE IS ONLY ONE MM! WE GOT HER.
Please call Michelle Malkin "Malkin" or something. That caught me a bit off guard.

67 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:20:49pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

...ah...You've been band from other Blogs?
Just kidding ! Here...have a cold one!;-)

68 Liberal Classic  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:20:59pm

I do not envy Michael Steele. It seems to me that the GOP is dead set on marginalizing itself at both the grassroots and national levels.

69 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:39pm

re: #68 Liberal Classic

I do not envy Michael Steele. It seems to me that the GOP is dead set on marginalizing itself at both the grassroots and national levels.

It's consistent, if nothing else.

70 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:47pm

re: #63 reloadingisnotahobby

It's been nice!
Overcast and breezy today but I need a break to get this cold under control!
I was in some ugliness on the Spike hunt!
How U Duin?

I'm doing well. Today is a terrible day to work indoors. Absolutely beautiful outside with a nice breeze for us here, too.
Sorry to hear about the cold. What is the Spike hunt?

71 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:52pm

Hot Air and MM have become the roosting spot of choice for the neo confederates and nativists.

Note to bloggers: If you chum the water with with the right hysteria, paranoia and hate disguised as snark, then you too can create a dedicated loyal audience of scum.

72 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. I keep saying this...

"See why I don't go to other blogs?"

Me too. Sometimes I have to hold my tongue here, but those people are effing, over-the-edge nuts.

73 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:56pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're a poet and didn't realize it.

You shoulda said "You're a poet and didn't know it." But, you choked.

74 brandon13  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:21:59pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

another one...

Wow.

It really, really may be time for a new party. The GOP doesn't seem salvageable to me; there just seems to be too many crazies and as a result the party leaders who are not insane are, for the most part, too afraid to speak out. And with the direction the GOP is currently headed (it's pretty obvious, at this point, that minority voting blocks will not be moving towards the GOP in '10 and '12 and the ones who are currently members of the party may be driven out via the bigotry), irrelevance on the national scene seems on the horizon.

75 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #56 Charles

Not only that, Malkin has posted several times about open white supremacist Peter Brimelow, calling him a "friend."

And her "hero" is a man who embraced the KKK.

76 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:22:32pm

re: #71 Thanos

Hot Air and MM have become the roosting spot of choice for the neo confederates and nativists.

Note to bloggers: If you chum the water with with the right hysteria, paranoia and hate disguised as snark, then you too can create a dedicated loyal audience of scum.

And if you give them notice, it only help them breed.

77 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:22:36pm

So perusing that site, it looks like there are all different kinds of articles on the blog... is Michelle Malkin the owner and/ or the only moderator? Running down, it almost looks like a kind of imitation drudge. Is it all far right?

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:22:41pm

re: #70 bosforus

Spike Bull Elk!

79 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:22:43pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

I think she always was.

I wouldn't doubt it given her previous comments and posts, but she's made more of a show of it in the past two years. Again, one would think she should know better as she would be high on the hit list of some of the people she associates with. I believe their is a term for a person like that. IIRC, it is "kapo".

80 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:23:28pm

re: #73 The Sanity Inspector

You shoulda said "You're a poet and didn't know it." But, you choked.

Damn, you're good. I never realized that would have ryhmed as well and never heard that before either.

///

81 TheQuis  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:24:10pm

re: #74 brandon13

Wow.

It really, really may be time for a new party. The GOP doesn't seem salvageable to me; there just seems to be too many crazies and as a result the party leaders who are not insane are, for the most part, too afraid to speak out. And with the direction the GOP is currently headed (it's pretty obvious, at this point, that minority voting blocks will not be moving towards the GOP in '10 and '12 and the ones who are currently members of the party may be driven out via the bigotry), irrelevance on the national scene seems on the horizon.


The truth is there are more sensible republicans in the Democratic party then there are in the Republican Party. Baucus, Nelson, Bayh, Feinstein, etc.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:24:19pm

re: #73 The Sanity Inspector

You shoulda said "You're a poet and didn't know it." But, you choked.

Make a rhyme every time
Get worse with every verse...

83 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

And her "hero" is a man who embraced the KKK.

Does she still support him? The first article by MM was in 2005, the KKK/Connelly article was 2006. Has she still offered support for him since then?

84 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:08pm

re: #78 reloadingisnotahobby

Spike Bull Elk!

Are my obvious city boy Phoenix roots showing yet? I swear. When people here talk about hunting I haven't the foggiest idea how to participate in the conversation. Ha ha! Did you bring home anything?

85 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:09pm

re: #65 Charles

I guess "Henning" has decleared the crudase against sanity.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:11pm

At yesterday's link to Powerline, I noticed they had held an experiment, in which comments were allowed. The experiment is over. Keeping the comments clean was too hard.

87 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:31pm

I'm a little more optimistic about the Republican Party as an entity (although not the current lack of principled leadership). The craziest factions of parties get louder when they sense an opportunity to reposition after a loss. This happened with the Dems too. Eventually the grownups will decide where to send their checks and who to vote for and all of the smoke and light (with no heat) will clear. The basement radicals will continue to seek their 15 minutes of fame, but I seriously doubt bloggers will define either political party's center mass.

88 researchok  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:25:44pm

One of the most controversial posts I ever was about slavery and continued veneration of Confederate heroes.

The comments on the post, Discomfort of Southern Insight are most interesting. The justification for the Confederacy and the minimization of the impact of slavery astonished me.

That there are still people who romanticize the Confederacy speaks volumes.

89 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:26:07pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

HotAir seems to be suffering from the same issue their readers suffer from - anger at the messenger, not at what is actually going on. The readers are not upset with the meltdown of the GOP, they are upset with LGF for pointing it out. HotAir isn't nearly as upset with the vile comments left by their readers as they are angry with whoever points it out to them.

It's a mystery to me.

No mystery...they want the GOP to be a stereotypical "good ol' boys" club, where it's fashionable to be openly racist and bigoted, but with a "respectable" veneer for the public...they get mad when the light gets shone on them.

90 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #84 bosforus

Yup!!


A frigging cold!
LOL
It ain't over yet...I may go out tomm...after work!

91 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

And if you give them notice, it only help them breed.

They breed like cockroaches, in the dark. Shine a light on them, they scatter. The right wing blogosphere is in serious need of fumigation.

92 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:26:59pm

re: #68 Liberal Classic

Ask the grass roots in VA how that's working, as Dems prepare themselves to lose their just-regained governor's seat.
Actually, Republican candidates are polling pretty well, considering they're all a bunch of foaming wingnuts led by a racist, misogynistic cabal of white men with nineteenth-century mindsets.

93 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:27:14pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

Does she still support him? The first article by MM was in 2005, the KKK/Connelly article was 2006. Has she still offered support for him since then?

She was in 2008

94 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:27:29pm

re: #87 DaddyG

I'm a little more optimistic about the Republican Party as an entity (although not the current lack of principled leadership). The craziest factions of parties get louder when they sense an opportunity to reposition after a loss. This happened with the Dems too. Eventually the grownups will decide where to send their checks and who to vote for and all of the smoke and light (with no heat) will clear. The basement radicals will continue to seek their 15 minutes of fame, but I seriously doubt bloggers will define either political party's center mass.

You've had a string of excellent posts today, IMHO. Sums up a lot of my thinking these days.

95 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:28:20pm

re: #92 tradewind

[...] Actually, Republican candidates are polling pretty well, considering they're all a bunch of foaming wingnuts led by a racist, misogynistic cabal of white men with nineteenth-century mindsets.

I believe that's why they're polling so well. Indeed I do.

96 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:28:56pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder
Sucks for the country, then. Got your bags packed?

97 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #91 Honorary Yooper

They breed like cockroaches, in the dark. Shine a light on them, they scatter. The right wing blogosphere is in serious need of fumigation.

R A I D !
Good Afternoon LGF.

98 McSpiff  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:29:23pm

re: #92 tradewind

Ask the grass roots in VA how that's working, as Dems prepare themselves to lose their just-regained governor's seat.
Actually, Republican candidates are polling pretty well, considering they're all a bunch of foaming wingnuts led by a racist, misogynistic cabal of white men with nineteenth-century mindsets.

Care to put any more words in Liberal Classic's mouth?
re: #96 tradewind

Sucks for the country, then. Got your bags packed?

Or Cato's?

99 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:30:19pm

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

R A I D !
Good Afternoon LGF.

Good afternoon, O'Lake!

100 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:30:36pm

Dow closes above 10,000 for the first time in a year ...

101 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:30:45pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

She was in 2008

Thanks.

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:30:50pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

At yesterday's link to Powerline, I noticed they had held an experiment, in which comments were allowed. The experiment is over. Keeping the comments clean was too hard.

Either it was too hard, or they prefer not to know what kind of people are reading and agreeing with them.

103 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:00pm

re: #94 Gearhead Thank you. I'm in a particularly philisophical mood and avoiding finishing a presentation I have to complete.

104 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:20pm

re: #78 reloadingisnotahobby

Spike Bull Elk!

You're hunting my high school mascot. Damn you man! Damn you!
/

On a serious note, for the trophy, meat, or both? Does it taste like venison?

105 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:24pm

re: #98 McSpiff
I feel sure that they can and will speak for themselves, but thanks.

106 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:27pm

re: #91 Honorary Yooper

They breed like cockroaches, in the dark. Shine a light on them, they scatter. The right wing blogosphere is in serious need of fumigation.

Not my job. I don't lay down with swine, you know, all that jazz.

107 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #96 tradewind

Sucks for the country, then. Got your bags packed?

I plan to stay and fight, but I do have other options. Including a passport.

108 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Make a rhyme every time
Get worse with every verse...

Almost as bad as this:

POLYPHILOPROGENITIVE
The sapient sutlers of the Lord
Drift across the window-panes.
In the beginning was the Word.

109 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:32:32pm

re: #98 McSpiff

/Told you/

110 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:32:35pm

re: #107 Cato the Elder

I plan to stay and fight, but I do have other options. Including a passport.

Probably Roman Passport.

111 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:33:18pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Probably Roman Passport.

I must check to see if that's still valid...

112 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:33:29pm

I can understand people who indulge in simple anthropoid dislike of other races. "There's just enough of me, but way too many of thee" is a sentiment that probably goes back to Cro Magnon / Neanderthal times. But the "race realist" supremacists leave me shaking my head. I mean, if everyone in the world who is less capable and bright than you were to disappear, you would then be the dimmest, most incapable person in the world.

113 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:33:35pm

re: #88 researchok

That there are still people who romanticize the Confederacy speaks volumes.

It is amazing that people romanticize the Confederacy. It was nothing of the sort to be romanticized. The post by LanceKates at the Deuce is a fine example of a person who still chooses to romanicize the CSA. When he was here at LGF, he'd get very pissed off at anyone who suggested that the Civil War just might have had something to do with slavery. He'd twist and turn, making attempts at claiming it was a war of northern aggression*. It had to be about anything but slavery to him.

*War of northern aggression - if you see this phrase used, you're dealing with a confederate apologist.

114 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #104 CommonCents

Spike Bull is a one or two year old ...Not worth a mount!
Elk is the most healthy ,lean meat I've ever had!
Better than Venison IMHO!
Makes excellent summer sasauge too!

115 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #103 DaddyG

Thank you. I'm in a particularly philisophical mood and avoiding finishing a presentation I have to complete.

Heh. Sounds familiar.

116 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:35:32pm

re: #107 Cato the Elder

You...You...CAD!!
Your goin to Brazil arn't ya!
Damn!

117 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:36:23pm

re: #113 Honorary Yooper

Or someone being satirical/sarcastic. It's a common term down South, and means just the opposite, as in ' we're mocking ourselves'.
Just sayin'.
(I have no doubt, however, that there are hardcore dead enders who mean it in the way that you wrote... but they don't count anyway, since they're morons).

118 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:36:29pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

Not my job. I don't lay down with swine, you know, all that jazz.

If thou layest down with swine, thou riseth with hoofmarks on thine arse.
- Sir Francis Bacon

119 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:36:29pm

re: #114 reloadingisnotahobby

Spike Bull is a one or two year old ...Not worth a mount!
Elk is the most healthy ,lean meat I've ever had!
Better than Venison IMHO!
Makes excellent summer sasauge too!

Hence the word spike. Duh. I know better than that.

120 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:36:44pm

re: #87 DaddyG

I'm a little more optimistic about the Republican Party as an entity (although not the current lack of principled leadership). The craziest factions of parties get louder when they sense an opportunity to reposition after a loss. This happened with the Dems too. Eventually the grownups will decide where to send their checks and who to vote for and all of the smoke and light (with no heat) will clear. The basement radicals will continue to seek their 15 minutes of fame, but I seriously doubt bloggers will define either political party's center mass.

I suspect that many of the grownups will base their decisions on what they see and hear from Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Ingraham, Olbermann and Maddow, to name the most obvious sources.

121 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:37:19pm

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

R A I D !
Good Afternoon LGF.

I'm more of a Black Flag Roach Motel man myself...

/roaches racists/bigots check in, but they don't check out

122 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:37:39pm

re: #114 reloadingisnotahobby

Spike Bull is a one or two year old ...Not worth a mount!
Elk is the most healthy ,lean meat I've ever had!
Better than Venison IMHO!
Makes excellent summer sasauge too!

Hi reloading! Oh yeah, elk is terrific. Friend just took one in Missouri - 950 lbs. He has his processing done at a little place in a small (well tiny actually) town here in the Texas Hill Country.

The Mexican gentleman who owns the processor makes the most incredible jalapeno cheese sausage I've ever had! Just hang a link for an hour or so to let it dry out a bit, open a cold one, grab yourself a knife, slice off a few pieces...total heaven!

123 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:37:40pm

re: #116 reloadingisnotahobby

You...You...CAD!!
Your goin to Brazil arn't ya!
Damn!

C'mon - An antique Roman like Cato would stick out a mile. No, he'd choose some place more discreet, less likely to be noticed. I'm thinking more along the lines of Italy; he'd blend right in there, and no one would look for him so close to home. Maybe Sicily - nice country, I understand.

124 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:38:59pm

ahh..racists don't get it anyhow...don't they know we're all going to look alike in about 10,000 years anyhow? it's evolution, man..oops forgot some of them got a problem with that too...lol

125 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #122 subsailor68
I'd like to try that!!
I love peppers and Sasauge...and BEER!

126 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #122 subsailor68

Hill Country, are we? You loving this rain we been having? I have, notwithstanding the wild temp fluctuations.

127 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #123 Guanxi88

C'mon - An antique Roman like Cato would stick out a mile. No, he'd choose some place more discreet, less likely to be noticed. I'm thinking more along the lines of Italy; he'd blend right in there, and no one would look for him so close to home. Maybe Sicily - nice country, I understand.

Besides, getting into Brazil even with a current US passport is quite difficult these days, so I'm told.

128 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #119 CommonCents
Be careful, because there have been reports of a prion-class disease being found in venison, similar to creutzfeldt-jakob's. I really hope they are exaggerating.

129 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #112 The Sanity Inspector

I can understand people who indulge in simple anthropoid dislike of other races. "There's just enough of me, but way too many of thee" is a sentiment that probably goes back to Cro Magnon / Neanderthal times. But the "race realist" supremacists leave me shaking my head. I mean, if everyone in the world who is less capable and bright than you were to disappear, you would then be the dimmest, most incapable person in the world.

They both suck. This is probably beside your point, but Neanderthals an Cro Magnons were not the same species. And there is more difference between the sexes in humans than there is between races. Racism is taught and learned. That's the only understandable thing about it.

130 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:40:56pm

re: #123 Guanxi88

C'mon - An antique Roman like Cato would stick out a mile. No, he'd choose some place more discreet, less likely to be noticed. I'm thinking more along the lines of Italy; he'd blend right in there, and no one would look for him so close to home. Maybe Sicily - nice country, I understand.

My friend Cicero has a nice villa in Tusculum.

131 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:40:57pm

re: #127 John Neverbend

Besides, getting into Brazil even with a current US passport is quite difficult these days, so I'm told.

Malta - I've always sorta thought Malta would be a nice place to hide out. Who the Hell even thinks to look there, or Sardinia, for that matter?

132 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #127 John Neverbend

It's because of their Bikini models I'm sure!

133 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:06pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

Dammit. Was it really ten years ago?

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:07pm

re: #128 tradewind

With a name like that I hope there fabricating!

135 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:07pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

My friend Cicero has a nice villa in Tusculum.

There you go. Crash with Marcus there for a while till you get back on your caligae, and you're solid.

136 simoom  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:15pm

Last ones for me -- I need to get in some yard-work before it gets dark.

October 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I think Obama is doing what you would expect Chavez or Castro to do … Did you see the pictures of Odinga and Obama yelling at the natives in Kenya? That’s who he is and what he thinks.

The problem is Americans are talking back, can’t have that, just ask Castro.


And lastly, here's channeling some Buchanan into an Acorn thread:

October 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM

This seems a good place to post the email a friend sent me, so I will!!
...
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American..
...
137 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:16pm

Dan Rather is in the news again, but this time he doesn't look like a tool.

[Link: www.observer.com...]

Some are saying his old show (60 Minutes) copied one of the stories that he did on HD net ...

138 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:22pm

re: #127 John Neverbend

Besides, getting into Brazil even with a current US passport is quite difficult these days, so I'm told.

It's a "turn about is fair play" thing. The Brazilians make US citizens go through exactly the same amount of paperwork and waiting that we do theirs.

Payback's a bitch.

139 Liberal Classic  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:52pm

re: #87 DaddyG

I'm a little more optimistic about the Republican Party as an entity (although not the current lack of principled leadership). The craziest factions of parties get louder when they sense an opportunity to reposition after a loss. This happened with the Dems too. Eventually the grownups will decide where to send their checks and who to vote for and all of the smoke and light (with no heat) will clear. The basement radicals will continue to seek their 15 minutes of fame, but I seriously doubt bloggers will define either political party's center mass.


Good post. I think it is going to take at least one electron cycle for Republican party to reorganize. The Democratic party was pulled in several different directions after the 2000 election and was still in the process of redefining itself in 2004. We're sort of seeing a mirror image of that. In 2000, the far left were upset and shrill, and now it is the far right wing that is agitated not unlike after Clinton's election in 1992.

One possible indicator of how things are going to go is the mid-term election. The 1994 brought in a lot of freshmen Republicans and the Contract with America. While the Contract contained some social conservative planks, it also contained some planks attractive to fiscal conservatives, as well as the fairly radical notion of congressional term limits. Right now, however, the Republican party seems to be in disarray. If they can't shout down the crazies then they won't be able to make up many seats in congress. Republican control of congress had a moderating effect on Clinton's presidency. I'd like to see a center-right coalition form to keep the Obama administration in the center, as well.

140 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:55pm

re: #134 reloadingisnotahobby

Well, I didn't want to use the more common ' mad cow', but it's the same thing...

141 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:56pm

re: #124 Spider Mensch

ahh..racists don't get it anyhow...don't they know we're all going to look alike in about 10,000 years anyhow? it's evolution, man..oops forgot some of them got a problem with that too...lol

Yeah, at the rate humankind is going, we'll all probably be slithering around on our bellies.
NTTAWWT

142 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:59pm

re: #125 reloadingisnotahobby

I'd like to try that!!
I love peppers and Sasauge...and BEER!

Oh yeah!! Then you'd love this guy's stuff. It's kind of a summer sausage, but when he kicks it up with the jalapenos (you hang it and let it dry because it makes it hotter as it does) - you'd really love it. (BEER! - sold separately).

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:42:59pm

re: #131 Guanxi88

Crete for me thanks all the same!!
Ha!

144 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:43:21pm

re: #128 tradewind

Be careful, because there have been reports of a prion-class disease being found in venison, similar to creutzfeldt-jakob's. I really hope they are exaggerating.

Any particular region?

145 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:43:37pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

My friend Cicero has a nice villa in Tusculum.

It's odd, but I actually knew a man called Tully.

146 researchok  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #113 Honorary Yooper

It is amazing that people romanticize the Confederacy. It was nothing of the sort to be romanticized. The post by LanceKates at the Deuce is a fine example of a person who still chooses to romanicize the CSA. When he was here at LGF, he'd get very pissed off at anyone who suggested that the Civil War just might have had something to do with slavery. He'd twist and turn, making attempts at claiming it was a war of northern aggression*. It had to be about anything but slavery to him.

*War of northern aggression - if you see this phrase used, you're dealing with a confederate apologist.

HY-

The comments on the post, especially those by the minister just astonished me and reading the post at the Deuce only reinforces what I wrote.

You cannot claim the moral high ground if you make exceptions for yourself and those who agree with you. That applies across the board, to the right and the left.

That's why LGF works and that is why LGF will be here long after the Deuce, et al, will have faded away. CJ is consistent and makes no room for apologists of any kind from any side. As a result, he's got the best readers/commenters, period.

147 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:43:44pm

AP sources: al-Qaida's Afghan head contacted Zazi

The airport shuttle driver accused of plotting a bombing in New York had contacts with al-Qaida that went nearly all the way to the top, to an Osama bin Laden confidant believed to be the terrorist group's leader in Afghanistan, U.S. intelligence officials told The Associated Press.

Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, an Egyptian reputed to be one of the founders of the terrorist network, used a middleman to contact Afghan immigrant Najibullah Zazi as the 24-year-old man hatched a plot to use homemade backpack bombs, perhaps on the city's mass transit system, the two intelligence officials said.

Intelligence officials declined to discuss the nature of the contact or whether al-Yazid contacted Zazi to offer simple encouragement or help with the bombing plot prosecutors say Zazi was pursuing.

Al-Yazid's contact with Zazi indicates that al-Qaida leadership took an intense interest in what U.S. officials have called one of the most serious terrorism threats crafted on U.S. soil since the 9/11 attacks.

148 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:43:46pm

re: #128 tradewind

Be careful, because there have been reports of a prion-class disease being found in venison, similar to creutzfeldt-jakob's. I really hope they are exaggerating.

OH DEER ME!

149 freetoken  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:44:00pm

Speaking of racists, I decided to check out Buchanan's site...

Wow.

The top article is copied from Rockwell's site and is written by Eric Margolis, and the topic is supposedly Afghanistan (and how we shouldn't be there.)

Get this:

[...] Osama bin Laden, on whom 9/11 is blamed, was in Afghanistan as a guest because he was a national hero for fighting the Soviets in the 1980’s and was aiding Taliban’s struggle against the Afghan Communist-dominated Northern Alliance afterwards.

The following two paragraphs are essentially a defense of Osama's innocence. The proceeding paragraphs basically say that the attacks were planned in Germany and Spain (and yes, technically planning happened there), but then ignores any other evidence or states who was behind the attack!

150 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:44:01pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

My friend Cicero has a nice villa in Tusculum.

All the people who are anyone in Rome hang with Scipio the Elder, but in your case, he's a bit before you time. Cato was never in the right place at the right time.

151 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:44:02pm

Living in the South has tempered my Union zeal and given me a more sympatheic view of the plight of the confederacy. The Civil War series by Ken Burns does a good job of a balanced view without glorifying the war. I also liked Jeff Shahara's "Gone for Soliders" and the rest of the war novels he and his father wrote that gave a sympathetic view of the dilemna many Southern millitary men faced being citizens of their State's and not necessarily identifying as strongly with the Union. Lee is a particularly poignent figure with his wrestling with the decision to serve the Union.

Slavery however was an evil that the entire country was righteously punished for. No less a man than Abraham Lincoln recognized this in the Gettysburg Address


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal...

...But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

...and the Second Inagural Address:

...If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

152 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:44:03pm

re: #136 simoom

Thanks for all the digging. Great work.

153 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #128 tradewind

Be careful, because there have been reports of a prion-class disease being found in venison, similar to creutzfeldt-jakob's. I really hope they are exaggerating.


Here's a related article:
[Link: chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com...]

154 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:45:00pm

re: #126 Guanxi88

Hill Country, are we? You loving this rain we been having? I have, notwithstanding the wild temp fluctuations.

Hi Guan! Yep, the Kerrville area. I'm ecstatic about the rain! It's been so dry here for so long that it's wonderful to see a little green here and there. And yeah, the temp fluctuations have been amazing - heck it's almost 90 here in the back of the house where the studio is. (BTW, you're not far from the Hill Country are you? Tryin' to remember.)

155 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:45:02pm

re: #145 John Neverbend

It's odd, but I actually knew a man called Tully.

Me too. Mine was a psycho tenant. I still have fond memories of finding out he was under liens for not paying the fines and penalties owed to a girl he assaulted.

156 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #133 tradewind

Dammit. Was it really ten years ago?

one year ago was the last time it topped 10k ... are you referring to the first time it topped 10k?

157 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:45:41pm

re: #154 subsailor68

Hi Guan! Yep, the Kerrville area. I'm ecstatic about the rain! It's been so dry here for so long that it's wonderful to see a little green here and there. And yeah, the temp fluctuations have been amazing - heck it's almost 90 here in the back of the house where the studio is. (BTW, you're not far from the Hill Country are you? Tryin' to remember.)

Austin, South Austin, my friend. Where all the crazy folk live.

158 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:45:55pm

re: #120 John Neverbend

I suspect that many of the grownups will base their decisions on what they see and hear from Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Ingraham, Olbermann and Maddow, to name the most obvious sources.

I guess I am more optimistic and I hope the wild pendulum of political extremes slows a bit in the future.

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:46:12pm

The "Shiftless and Lazy" comment is still up. No condemnation from Ed or AP. Looks like they aren't going to moderate comments. It's open season!

160 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:46:33pm

re: #139 Liberal Classic

Hopefully that will happen. The problem for Obama with the Democrats is that the leadership is where the moonbats live... the top Democrats are teh crazies.
There are a number of moderate dems who came in with Obama or in '06, but they don't have the power yet.
The Contract was maddening, because the Republicans had it and blew it by doing just the opposite of what got them the power in the first place. The spending, dammit. They just lose their minds when they get the purse strings.

161 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #148 Spare O'Lake

/I know/.

162 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:47:23pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

Me too. Mine was a psycho tenant. I still have fond memories of finding out he was under liens for not paying the fines and penalties owed to a girl he assaulted.

Mine was somewhat more respectable. He was a journalist for the BBC. Awfully nice chap.

163 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

All the people who are anyone in Rome hang with Scipio the Elder, but in your case, he's a bit before you time. Cato was never in the right place at the right time.

Ahh, you're just pissed at him for walking outta the theatre on ya.

164 SeaMonkey  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:47:53pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Excellent. You're a bold fellow with a strong nose, obviously.

165 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:48:29pm

and in more media news, CBS' top investigative reporter (Armen Keteyian) is onvestigating the Letterman Love Triangle story ...

[Link: www.observer.com...]

Keteyian is a "pro's pro," so it will be fascinating to see what he digs up here!

166 SeaMonkey  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:48:34pm

re: #102 Charles

Same with Andrew Sullivan's blog?

167 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:48:58pm

re: #153 jaunte

I can't read it. My family's freezers are full of the stuff...
Hope this gets nipped in the bud.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #26 spacejesus

lots of hilarious southern slavery revisionism going on at stalkerblog.com

Went over there, looked at the headline, can't read. I have a half-day off, and I'm gonna finish lunch, chat here, and then take a nap with my dearest.

I think I know the drill:

1. White people didn't invent it.
2. Black people sold us the black people anyway! Did you KNOW THAT?
3. Being a slave wasn't that bad.
4. Some black people fought for the Confederacy! And the Confederacy was about STATES RIGHTS. Although we're damn proud that it was the Republican Party under Abe Lincoln that opposed those states rights. We think.
5. Besides, it's all the Arabs' fault, 'cause we can't say Jews any more.
6. Anyway, no one should be bringing it up in this day and age. Now black people get all these advantages. And it's the Democrats' fault. And liberals are the real racists.

If they come up with anything new and original, will you let us know?

169 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:50:09pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

The "Shiftless and Lazy" comment is still up. No condemnation from Ed or AP. Looks like they aren't going to moderate comments. It's open season!

To which I say, shame on you, Ed and AP, you should've known better, but you took up with and approve of this crappola now. You've laid down with these asshats, and now you've got fleas, only you don't seem to realize it. If this and other posts don't get you to clean up your swamp or make you so sick to your stomachs that you leave, all we can do is assume you agree with your commentors. To the trash heap with you and your stinky blog. You should really rename it Hot Stinky Shit Air.

170 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:50:10pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

The "Shiftless and Lazy" comment is still up. No condemnation from Ed or AP. Looks like they aren't going to moderate comments. It's open season!

By the way -- if someone had posted a comment here at LGF calling Allahpundit or Ed Morrissey a "child molester," it would have been deleted and the commenter blocked as soon as I became aware of it. And that's even though I believe both of those people are utter creeps.

The fact that they have done neither, but are allowing vile defamatory comments like that to remain on their site completely confirms my opinion of their characters.

171 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:50:47pm

re: #163 Guanxi88

Ahh, you're just pissed at him for walking outta the theatre on ya.

Have you ever seen, up live and personal, the Roman theaters and odeons peppered around Europe. Absolutely fascinating places.

172 McSpiff  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #105 tradewind

I'll give you grass roots in VA, but nationally there is serious problems, and the lead in polls for NJ is quickly shrinking.

173 Danny  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:51:25pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

The "Shiftless and Lazy" comment is still up. No condemnation from Ed or AP. Looks like they aren't going to moderate comments. It's open season!

They're probably just asleep.
/

174 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Have you ever seen, up live and personal, the Roman theaters and odeons peppered around Europe. Absolutely fascinating places.

Never been - suppose I ought to have when I had the chance, but these days, traveling anywhere other than work and home is our of the question. Stupid responsibilities.

175 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #147 Sharmuta

AP sources: al-Qaida's Afghan head contacted Zazi

I hope they didn't bug his phone.

/

176 Liberal Classic  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #139 Liberal Classic

Electron cycle? I meant election cycle. Sorry, I have physics on the brain.

177 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #170 Charles

I'm pretty sure it would qualify legally as slander.

178 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:52:49pm

and in my final media note of the day, it looks like Don Imus (so far) has been a ratings winner for FOX Business Channel.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

179 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:02pm

re: #157 Guanxi88

Austin, South Austin, my friend. Where all the crazy folk live.

Ah that's right! I'd forgotten! It's only about an hour and twenty minutes for me to get over there (used to study sax at UT and could get from the house to the music building in about that). Love the Elephant Bar for jazz, and Katz's for the best deli food I've had since New York!

BTW, little story about Katz' Deli. A friend from Fredericksburg was over in Austin, and stopped in at Katz. Decided to have a sandwich in the bar. There was one other customer in there, a really attractive lady. He said hi, sat down, and ordered his sandwich. They started talking, and he ended up chatting with her for an hour or so. She had a office near by, and loved the place for lunch.

A few days later, his wife was watching "Last of the Mohicans" and he walked by, took a look and asked "who's that woman"? His wife said, "That's Madeline Stowe. Why?"

"Uh, no reason," my friend said. (Yep, he'd just found out who he'd been talking to all that time at Katz.)

180 researchok  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:15pm

re: #151 DaddyG

Like you, I live in the South, a transplant.

After almost a decade here, I can I am less sympathetic to the Confederate legacy. The obsession with the South and symbols of that time by so many is disturbing to me. I realize most see the symbols as a regional representations, but that said, I don't imagine Munich adopting the Swastika flag as a municipal emblem would be acceptable.

The Stars and Bars are nothing to be proud of.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:22pm

re: #28 freetoken

Since we are on the topic of racism I decided to check out what the leading internet racists are up to... ugh. Sorting of past Nobel winners into "ice" people and "sun" people, to show that Obama's win had to be affirmative action (Fulford did this.)

Oh, and it looks like a possible outrage on the horizon (hmm... gives me an idea, we need an "outrage forecast" similar to a weather forecast) is the bill in Congress to try and get the Puerto Ricans to vote for statehood.

I have no outrage left in me. If Puerto Rico wants into the Union, I will roll out the welcome mat. What would a fifty-one star layout look like?

182 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:24pm

re: #167 tradewind

I don't think it's that widespread, but there are a couple of recalls of commercially produced Elk meat products listed at that site:

Recalling Firm: Sierra Meats, Reno, NV, by telephone on January 29, 2009 and press release on February 9, 2009.

Manufacturer: Noah's Ark Holding, LLC, Dawson, MN. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.

REASON

Elk products contain meat derived from an elk confirmed to have Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD).[Link: chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com...]

183 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:48pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Have you ever seen, up live and personal, the Roman theaters and odeons peppered around Europe. Absolutely fascinating places.

There is actually one reason for me to visit Jordan. I've heard this is very impressive.

Ancient Roman Re-enactment

The only genuine Roman show to be found in the world today, it is a truly exciting and unique historic experience, especially for those enamoured with the history of ancient Rome. A living testimony to its majestic past, visitors can experience a Roman army performance in this ancient and magnificently preserved Roman city.

Here, visitors can sit where the Romans once sat and see what the Romans once saw.

Jerash, previously known as the Roman city of Gerasa, is approximately a fifty-minute drive to the north from Amman, Jordan's capital and displays some of the finest, most extensive and best preserved remains of the Roman Empire.

After excavations began in 1925 a well-preserved Greco-Roman city emerged. Ancient city walls enclosing colonnaded paved streets with chariot tracks worn in the original stone, a dramatic oval plaza defined by a colonnade of Ionic columns, a complex of baths, theatres, the temples of Dionysus, Artemis and Zeus, and a superb hippodrome, after being covered with rubble and sand for a millennium again saw the light of day. 500 seats from the 15,000 in Roman times have been restored.

Today the restored monumental hippodrome, for the first time in over a thousand years, features spectator Roman events - an authentic replica of Roman life and enjoyment. The aim is to give visitors a thrilling glimpse of the spectacle as experienced by the citizens of the ancient city.

184 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:53:55pm

re: #170 Charles

By the way -- if someone had posted a comment here at LGF calling Allahpundit or Ed Morrissey a "child molester," it would have been deleted and the commenter blocked as soon as I became aware of it. And that's even though I believe both of those people are utter creeps.

The fact that they have done neither, but are allowing vile defamatory comments like that to remain on their site completely confirms my opinion of their characters.

And comments like that have NOTHING to do with freedom of speech. The only freedom being displayed in this situation is the freedom of the blog owners to let this happen.

It's all on their shoulders and no one else's responsibility but theirs.

No excuses. Period.

185 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:54:04pm

re: #172 McSpiff

Oh, you mean because Corzine is playing the fat card?
/Stay classy, Corzine/.
Obama was elected by the independents, and they are the ones who have left the fold. I think he'll still be reelected in '12, but it will be very close, and we only thought we saw the race card played last time.

186 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:55:08pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

The "Shiftless and Lazy" comment is still up. No condemnation from Ed or AP. Looks like they aren't going to moderate comments. It's open season!

Because the post is trying (and failing) to show DNC racism.

By the DNC being worried about black voters not turning out for mid-term elections, is a backhanded way of saying they only voted in the last election because of Obama, that they have no other interest in politics or because they are lazy.

The way I read it, the poster wasn't saying those were his views. That's why "colored people" is in italics in the original post.

The idiot can't write.

187 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

/Think you mean libel/

188 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:56:00pm

re: #186 Ben Hur

I can't believe you're trying to make excuses for that comment.

189 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:56:41pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no outrage left in me. If Puerto Rico wants into the Union, I will roll out the welcome mat. What would a fifty-one star layout look like?

Here's some examples from Wiki. Upper right side of the page.

190 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #187 tradewind

/Think you mean libel/

Maybe. I don't know the difference.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:56:55pm

re: #56 Charles

Not only that, Malkin has posted several times about open white supremacist Peter Brimelow, calling him a "friend."

I hate to point this out to her--it may come as a shock--but Malkin isn't white, and I believe Mr. Malkin is Jewish. What the hell is she hanging out with these people for?

(I don't approve of white people hanging out with white supremacists either, but at least there is only evil and dumbness, not total cognitive dissonance, involved there.)

192 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:57:37pm

I think many of these bloggers are just lazy. They don't consider moderating their site to be important or necessary. They put up a post, go on with their other important matters, and don't even look at what is going on in their comments section. They don't care. They have a book to promote, you know. If they are aware of it, then that's even worse. They either don't care or they agree. Either way, it's a poor reflection upon the blogger in question to allow their comments to become a free for all on ugliness.

193 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:57:40pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Libel's written, slander's spoken, not a biggie.
Unless you're in the middle of it.

194 McSpiff  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #185 tradewind

Oh, you mean because Corzine is playing the fat card?
/Stay classy, Corzine/.
Obama was elected by the independents, and they are the ones who have left the fold. I think he'll still be reelected in '12, but it will be very close, and we only thought we saw the race card played last time.


I'm not saying anything about why, just my reading of poll numbers. I don't think independents are leaving, I think they're being pushed out. Care to explain why you think race will be a larger factor than this time around?

195 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:57:57pm

re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This sounds wonderful, but I was talking about theater, not games. If you think that a lot of the marvelous special stage effects that you see in shows like "Phantom of the Opera" are new, you would be sadly mistaken. The Greek and Roman theaters of the times had all sort of mechanical contraptions that are really the foundation for a lot of the overblown staging you see in todays large scaled musicals.

196 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:58:04pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate to point this out to her--it may come as a shock--but Malkin isn't white, and I believe Mr. Malkin is Jewish. What the hell is she hanging out with these people for?

(I don't approve of white people hanging out with white supremacists either, but at least there is only evil and dumbness, not total cognitive dissonance, involved there.)

Don't ask me. But it's not the only example. Marcus Epstein is also a big booster of white supremacists, and he's half Jewish/half Korean.

197 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:58:18pm

re: #193 tradewind

Ah, thanks. I didn't know that.

198 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Maybe. I don't know the difference.

Once slander is published, it becomes libel.

199 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:59:09pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate to point this out to her--it may come as a shock--but Malkin isn't white, and I believe Mr. Malkin is Jewish. What the hell is she hanging out with these people for?

(I don't approve of white people hanging out with white supremacists either, but at least there is only evil and dumbness, not total cognitive dissonance, involved there.)

No idea, but I believe the proper term for them would be "kapo".

200 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:00:06pm
201 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #74 brandon13

It really, really may be time for a new party.

Ok, you made me do it:

Check out the Modern Whig Party.
Quick Whig Video

202 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:01:22pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

This sounds wonderful, but I was talking about theater, not games. If you think that a lot of the marvelous special stage effects that you see in shows like "Phantom of the Opera" are new, you would be sadly mistaken. The Greek and Roman theaters of the times had all sort of mechanical contraptions that are really the foundation for a lot of the overblown staging you see in todays large scaled musicals.

Ah, I was referring to the Roman military displays.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:01:24pm

re: #111 Cato the Elder

I must check to see if that's still valid...

I know a lady whose driver's license was issued by the Weimar Republic. It's still good in Germany, BTW.

204 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #196 Charles

Don't ask me. But it's not the only example. Marcus Epstein is also a big booster of white supremacists, and he's half Jewish/half Korean.

did you hear about the kamikaze pilot who was half Black and half Japenese? On December 7th, 1941 he bombed Pearl Bailey.

~ducking~

205 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #196 Charles

Don't ask me. But it's not the only example. Marcus Epstein is also a big booster of white supremacists, and he's half Jewish/half Korean.

I think it's a bit of, "I'm such a special fill-in-the-blank that these bigots who don't like the rest of my kind like me.

206 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:02:27pm

re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, I was referring to the Roman military displays.

Ahh, the triumphs! A wonderful tradition.

207 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:02:46pm

re: #188 Charles

I can't believe you're trying to make excuses for that comment.

I'm not.

208 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #201 Ojoe

Ok, you made me do it:

Check out the Modern Whig Party.
Quick Whig Video

Is the music by Jan Hammer? It sounds a little bit like Crockett's Theme.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #124 Spider Mensch

ahh..racists don't get it anyhow...don't they know we're all going to look alike in about 10,000 years anyhow? it's evolution, man..oops forgot some of them got a problem with that too...lol

It's not evolution, it's just hormones...but a LOT of them have a problem with that.

210 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:26pm

re: #194 McSpiff

Do you mean why do I think that race may play a bigger factor in the next presidential election?
Because if O'bama's campaign feels seriously threatened, they will pull out any weapons they have, including the race/guilt/discrimination card. They were fairly restrained in the last election, although when there were primaries at stake that looked very close, it was occasionally used by his proxies.
It is a very effective tool, because no one wants to be considered a racist (unless they really are, and fortunately, they are the minority of voters).

211 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:28pm

Was that mine deleted again?

212 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:31pm

re: #196 Charles

There's no cognitive dissonance - many if not most Jews consider themselves white, and some tribes hate only one or two other tribes when it comes to their tribal nationalism. Right now the hate is focused on blacks, muslims, and hispanics so it's really not an issue to them.

213 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:38pm

re: #180 researchok

Like you, I live in the South, a transplant.

After almost a decade here, I can I am less sympathetic to the Confederate legacy. The obsession with the South and symbols of that time by so many is disturbing to me. I realize most see the symbols as a regional representations, but that said, I don't imagine Munich adopting the Swastika flag as a municipal emblem would be acceptable.

The Stars and Bars are nothing to be proud of.

Agreed on the symbolism. I was tempted to buy the "heritage" argument until I learned that the confederate battle emblem was not a part of Georgia's flag until the civil rights movement. Our current flag goes back to the pre- stars and bars. Governor Perdue did not allow the battle emblem on the ballot initiative to change the flag and boy were there some angry rednecks at the polling place I worked. I applaud that decision however and we are back to a more "civil" symbol over our capitol that celebrates Wisdom, Justice and Moderation (Plus a strong defense if you read that into the soldier on the seal.)

Perhaps it is because I don't frequent the double wide trailers and country bars but I see less and less sympathy for the confederacy every year.

214 SixDegrees  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:41pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

I think many of these bloggers are just lazy. They don't consider moderating their site to be important or necessary. They put up a post, go on with their other important matters, and don't even look at what is going on in their comments section. They don't care. They have a book to promote, you know. If they are aware of it, then that's even worse. They either don't care or they agree. Either way, it's a poor reflection upon the blogger in question to allow their comments to become a free for all on ugliness.

Plus, an active comment section means more page views, which means higher advertising rates. And nothing spikes activity like shit stirring, especially if it's mixed with the right amount of dissent to focus the shit-flingers attention and give them a target. You can easily get page refreshes that run:

"Oh, yeah?"

"Yeah!"

"Oh, yeah?!"

"YEAH!!"

"OH, YEAH??!!"

"YEAH!!!"

for well over a hundred iterations, not counting all the other participants trying to outdo one another with over-the-top insults. It's like money in the bank.

215 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #208 John Neverbend

You will have to ask someone who knows more about that kind of music.

216 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

I think it's a bit of, "I'm such a special fill-in-the-blank that these bigots who don't like the rest of my kind like me.

Yes, or perhaps, they're expect that because they're helping these bigots that they will be the last ones fed to the alligator.

217 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:05:01pm

re: #206 Guanxi88

Ahh, the triumphs! A wonderful tradition.

Oh for the days of the manipular cohort.

218 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:05:10pm

Why is that site ignored?

219 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #218 Ben Hur

Why is that site ignored?

What site?

220 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:06:30pm

re: #196 Charles

Don't ask me. But it's not the only example. Marcus Epstein is also a big booster of white supremacists, and he's half Jewish/half Korean.

Malkin and Epstein...proof that stupidty and illogic are equal opportunity afflictions.

221 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

What site?

The site pulling the same BS the HotAir is with the whole, Make a outrageously false, and disgusting claim about someone, and then challenging people to prove it didn't happen.

Like the "when did you stop beating your wife" on Gamma Rays.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:08:40pm

re: #208 John Neverbend

Doesn't sound like it at all.

That goes...

"Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free.
Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,
Killed him a bear when he was only three.

Davy, Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier."

223 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:08:51pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh for the days of the manipular cohort.

Magnificent people, the Romans. (Channeling Ben the Prisoner from Life of Brian)

224 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #218 Ben Hur

Why is that site ignored?

Maybe because it's beyond vile and beneath contempt.

225 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doesn't sound like it at all.

That goes...

"Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free.
Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,
Killed him a bear when he was only three.

Davy, Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier."

Now I have that song stuck in my head.

226 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:10:58pm

re: #26 spacejesus

lots of hilarious southern slavery revisionism going on at stalkerblog.com

Looks like you earned yourself an impostor at said site.

227 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #221 Ben Hur

The site pulling the same BS the HotAir is with the whole, Make a outrageously false, and disgusting claim about someone, and then challenging people to prove it didn't happen.

Like the "when did you stop beating your wife" on Gamma Rays.

Oh, the crap Avid Editor pulled this morning? We talked about that already, and formal complaints have been lodged. The Deucers use his site as dumping ground for stuff that Blue Host won't let them post.

228 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #198 MandyManners

True, which is why you hardly ever see a suit for slander any more.
Anyway, the truth is an absolute defense against either, although even that can get pretty subjective .

229 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #223 Guanxi88

Magnificent people, the Romans. (Channeling Ben the Prisoner from Life of Brian)

CENTURION: Pilate wants to see you!
BRIAN: Me?
CENTURION: Come on!
BRIAN: Pilate? What does he want to see me for?
CENTURION: I think he wants to know which way up you want to be crucified.
BEN: Oh, ha ha ha haa! Ha haa! Nice one, Centurion. Like it. Like it.
CENTURION: Shut up!
BEN: Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:11:57pm

re: #225 MandyManners

Now I have that song stuck in my head.

You are welcome.

231 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:12:10pm

At times like this I often quote that great Southern philospher Jeff Foxworthy...

"We aren't all stupid in the South we just can't keep the stupidest of us off the TV."

232 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #229 Guanxi88

CENTURION: Pilate wants to see you!
BRIAN: Me?
CENTURION: Come on!
BRIAN: Pilate? What does he want to see me for?
CENTURION: I think he wants to know which way up you want to be crucified.
BEN: Oh, ha ha ha haa! Ha haa! Nice one, Centurion. Like it. Like it.
CENTURION: Shut up!
BEN: Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific.

"I'm a Red Sea Pedestrian and proud of it!"

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:13:35pm

re: #231 DaddyG

Well, the camera adds ten pounds, so I don't go on TV.

234 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:14:17pm

re: #226 bosforus

Or perhaps not...

235 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:14:49pm

re: #231 DaddyG

At times like this I often quote that great Southern philospher Jeff Foxworthy...

"We aren't all stupid in the South we just can't keep the stupidest of us off the TV."

My home state's major newspaper had a contest soliciting suggestions for a new state motto. ONe fo the entries stuck with me all these years:

"As Seen on Cops"

236 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:15:10pm

re: #225 MandyManners

Now I have that song stuck in my head.

Hi Mandy! Then this'll drive ya completely nuts:

Youtube Video

;-)

237 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:15:16pm

re: #225 MandyManners

Ugh, the darned earworms. Hates them.

238 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:16:15pm

re: #223 Guanxi88

Magnificent people, the Romans. (Channeling Ben the Prisoner from Life of Brian)

When it comes down to the practical application of military doctrine, there arent many who can come close to beating the Romans.

239 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:16:20pm

re: #201 Ojoe

Ok, you made me do it:

Check out the Modern Whig Party.
Quick Whig Video

Whenever I hear the word Whig, I think of the fictional Plantagenet Palliser, fretting over his plans to introduce decimal currency to England in the 19th century.

240 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #226 bosforus

Looks like you earned yourself an impostor at said site.

Don't knwo if it is an impostor, but he's definitely pissing them off. Got some good laughs due to it.

This one by spacejesus is worth reposting for the hell of it:

there once was a poster named buzzsaw
who made posts as boring as coleslaw
he flounced to the max, then got banned with the axe,
now he’s over here having withdraw

LOL!

241 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:17:00pm

re: #236 subsailor68

Hi Mandy! Then this'll drive ya completely nuts:

[Video]

;-)

I refuse to click on Fess Parker.

242 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:17:37pm

re: #237 tradewind

Ugh, the darned earworms. Hates them.

Here, a little palate cleanser. On the day I decide to don my steel wool breechclout and run amok, this is the tune, and this is the version, that'll be playing in my head:

Youtube Video
243 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When it comes down to the practical application of military doctrine, there arent many who can come close to beating the Romans.

What have the Romans ever done for us?

244 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:18:11pm

re: #227 Honorary Yooper

No.

SOmething about Glenn Beck.

Forget it.

245 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:18:12pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doesn't sound like it at all.

That goes...

"Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free.
Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,
Killed him a bear when he was only three.

Davy, Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier."

Then there's Mickey Katz' version, Dovid Crockett
Born in the wilds of Delancy street
Home of gefilte fish and kosher meat
Handy with a knife and [can't make the word out]
Flicked him a chicken when he was only three

Dovid, Dovid Crockett, king of Delancy Street.

246 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:18:47pm

Someone who is better with currency conversions give me a hand. 9.80 in British Pounds is how much in American Dollars?

247 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:18:54pm

re: #243 John Neverbend

What have the Romans ever done for us?

The aqueduct?

248 spiderx  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:18:55pm

Hot Air and Foxnation seem to be one in the same

249 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:19:05pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
FBV in the Green room of the tonight show...
"I can't go out there.The damn camera will add ten lbs on me"!
(prissy little male voice)
"Oh dear you big brute,come with me to the dressing room.
Who dressed you anyway Paul Bunyon"?
FBV looks over his shoulder and wimpers...in protest...
Too be continued...

250 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #231 DaddyG
...Which is why I was so happy to see Jon and Kate. Finally, the Stupidest Couple on Television hails from above the Mason -Dixon.

251 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:19:25pm

re: #243 John Neverbend

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Roads

252 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone who is better with currency conversions give me a hand. 9.80 in British Pounds is how much in American Dollars?

Pounds of what?

/ba-dum-bump

253 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:19:43pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone who is better with currency conversions give me a hand. 9.80 in British Pounds is how much in American Dollars?

As of right now, it's $14.63...CHANGE!!!

254 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:20:01pm

re: #244 Ben Hur

Ah, that's why it was deleted. It's libelous and Charles doesn't want it linked to.

255 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:20:34pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not shit ...I hear!

256 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:20:39pm

re: #240 Honorary Yooper

LOL!

I don't understand what all this is about. I swear, it sound like little six graders passing tacky little notes around to each other in class. What makes grown adults have nay desire to troll crazy blogs, read nasty comments and then pass them on back here.

And on top of that, LEAVING comments over there, acting just like them.

I'm not going to ask if this is really necessary, I not going to ask if this is really fun, but I do want to know if this is in any way intelligent adult behavior?

257 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:21:06pm

re: #242 Guanxi88

Oh no you don't... not unless you want me to fire back with the cast of Glee singing ' Don't Stop Believin'.
/Try getting that one out before a week has past./

258 Linden Arden  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:21:34pm

Racist or inflammatory comments like these do no one any good.

ESPN is reporting that the NFL owners want no part of Limbaugh and Checketts is dropping him.

Your text to link...

259 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:21:47pm

re: #250 tradewind

...Which is why I was so happy to see Jon and Kate. Finally, the Stupidest Couple on Television hails from above the Mason -Dixon.


I never liked that show and I have been dreading the end result of the voyerism. Of course if I could pimp my family out for $20 million a year I'd find a way to make it work. Sure I would.

At least Kate found a way to raise her IQ and shed 150 pounds of ugly fat in one fell swoop.

260 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:21:59pm

re: #253 John Neverbend

As of right now, it's $14.63...CHANGE!!!

Hmmm. Now do I get 4 tanks with 4 conversion kits or 5 tanks with 2 conversion kits?

261 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There's an app for that.
Fastest thing I've ever seen, right on the iphone. Any money, from anywhere, and free.

262 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

I do not require every second of my life to reflect "intelligent adult behavior". Hopefully that is explanation enough from me.

263 RealismRox  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:22:35pm

re: #213 DaddyG

Agreed on the symbolism. I was tempted to buy the "heritage" argument until I learned that the confederate battle emblem was not a part of Georgia's flag until the civil rights movement.
Perhaps it is because I don't frequent the double wide trailers and country bars but I see less and less sympathy for the confederacy every year.

Lincoln should have outlawed confederate flags like was done with swastikas in post-WW2 Germany.

264 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:22:41pm

re: #257 tradewind

Oh no you don't... not unless you want me to fire back with the cast of Glee singing ' Don't Stop Believin'.
/Try getting that one out before a week has past./

What? Who doesn't love a little Tom Tom Club?

//

265 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #259 DaddyG

I never liked that show and I have been dreading the end result of the voyerism. Of course if I could pimp my family out for $20 million a year I'd find a way to make it work. Sure I would.

At least Kate found a way to raise her IQ and shed 150 pounds of ugly fat in one fell swoop.

Not funny.

266 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:23:18pm

re: #258 Linden Arden

Racist or inflammatory comments like these do no one any good.

ESPN is reporting that the NFL owners want no part of Limbaugh and Checketts is dropping him.

Your text to link...

What a martyr:

"I'm not even thinking of exiting," Limbaugh said on his program, according to a transcript provided to ESPN. "I'm not even thinking of caving. I am not a caver. None of us are. We have been betrayed by too many who have caved. Pioneers take the arrows. We are pioneers. It's a sad thing but our country over 200 years old now needs pioneers all over again, but we do."
267 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #261 tradewind

Great!
I can find out how broke I am in ALL the worlds currency!
Can't wait!
/

268 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:23:53pm

re: #262 bosforus

I do not require every second of my life to reflect "intelligent adult behavior". Hopefully that is explanation enough from me.

If you felt a need to respond?

269 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:24:18pm

The Dow just barely squeeked it out...

+144.80
(+1.47%)
Dow 10,015.86

270 John Neverbend  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:24:35pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm. Now do I get 4 tanks with 4 conversion kits or 5 tanks with 2 conversion kits?

What are tanks and conversion kits?

271 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:24:38pm

re: #259 DaddyG

I had to catch it once or be out of pop culture literacy, according to the late night shows. Once was enough. She's a (what was that term that brought down the axe on buzz? ), and he's a whiny two year old narcissist. Darwin totally screwed up there.

272 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:24:41pm

re: #263 RealismRox

Lincoln should have outlawed confederate flags like was done with swastikas in post-WW2 Germany.

He and the Congress never had the chance. Lincoln was dead before the end of the war, and Andrew Johnson was never going to sign any such bill. As it was, Johnson was impeached and almost removed.

273 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:25:01pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

If you felt a need to respond?

Seeing as how you replied to a comment from HY which was a reply to me, I can hardly see how you weren't also talking to me.

274 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:25:18pm

re: #220 talon_262

Malkin and Epstein...proof that stupidty and illogic are equal opportunity afflictions.

Yes, you don't have to be 100% or even 1% white to be racist. Yet we often see morons pausing in the middle of a racist rant to declare that they can't possible be racist because they are part Native American/Korean/Hispanic/whatever. But the cognitive dissonance doesn't end there by any means because one second after finishing that sentence, they will start screaming that Obama is a racist.

275 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:25:21pm

re: #266 jaunte

Hot Airheads are pushing the theory that he dropped out so he can sue over the "fake" quotes.

276 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:25:28pm

re: #261 tradewind

There's an app for that.
Fastest thing I've ever seen, right on the iphone. Any money, from anywhere, and free.

Thats assuming I get an iphone. And now that I look at things, I can afford to get 3 conversion kits and spread it out across 6 tanks!

277 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:25:59pm

re: #273 bosforus

Seeing as how you replied to a comment from HY which was a reply to me, I can hardly see how you weren't also talking to me.

I was talking to all the back and forth cross-blog snarking.

278 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:26:07pm

re: #258 Linden Arden

Racist or inflammatory comments like these do no one any good.

ESPN is reporting that the NFL owners want no part of Limbaugh and Checketts is dropping him.

Your text to link...

Yup..I've posted this story from Sports Blogs for a week now...Irsay Jr..Owner of the Colts slammed the idea today... To Paraphrase, ' Ain't no freaking way!'

279 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone who is better with currency conversions give me a hand. 9.80 in British Pounds is how much in American Dollars?

Hi Kragar! Here's a site I pull up whenever I want to check things like this:

Currency Converter

280 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:26:50pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

I was talking to all the back and forth cross-blog snarking.

And I responded, since HY and I were doing just that. Like I said, I only speak for myself.

281 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:27:04pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

I don't understand what all this is about. I swear, it sound like little six graders passing tacky little notes around to each other in class.

I think you answered your own question there.

I'm not going to ask if this is really necessary,

Nope.

I not going to ask if this is really fun,

Apparently.

but I do want to know if this is in any way intelligent adult behavior?

Not by a long shot.

I think Charles has stated above that he doesn't want some of the slander to stand unaddressed. I think the anti-LGFers like the attention so this may be self defeating. But hey, if I want to code and run my own blog I can do it differently.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #249 reloadingisnotahobby

I made that joke in a TV studio once. Camera man said, "How many cameras are on you?"

283 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:27:35pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Hot Airheads are pushing the theory that he dropped out so he can sue over the "fake" quotes.

Looks like the other owners just didn't want his baggage in their club.
...Aren't his "fake" quotes documented?

284 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #270 John Neverbend

What are tanks and conversion kits?

War game modelling. I'm looking at building a Space Wolves force for 40k and wanted to customize my tanks from the basic models to the Chapter specific markings and looking at the kits I would need to do it.

285 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:29:20pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

The quotes were false, sourced from Wiki. Even the MSNBC heads admitted that this morning, and there is probably going to be legal action that will just make Rush richer with a settlement.
They also talked about the fact that the owners of the other NFL franchises probably don't want their comment history brought out for airing in front of the public.
Whether Rush is popular or not, tinkering with someone's legitimate desire to exercise ownership rights in a capitalist society is not a good way to go.

286 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:29:24pm

re: #263 RealismRox

Lincoln should have outlawed confederate flags like was done with swastikas in post-WW2 Germany.


He was a good man who was doing his best to unify the country and allow the Southerners to save face. It probably saved us further conflict on a national level at the price of suffering fools locally. It is ironic that ours is the only country that allows a defeated power to fly their battle emblem and national flag over state houses.

287 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:29:47pm

re: #283 jaunte

...Aren't his "fake" quotes documented?


Probably.

288 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Ah, that's why it was deleted. It's libelous and Charles doesn't want it linked to.

Understood.

289 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:30:34pm

re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When your done can have one?
Will it fit in my gun safe? My garage?or, on my propery?

290 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #280 bosforus

And I responded, since HY and I were doing just that. Like I said, I only speak for myself.

To be honest, I just found that particular comment hilarious. If I could give SpaceJesus a ding up for it, I would.

Anyway, Walter, I look because they do post smears, and those smears need to be exposed to the sunlight. They'll do it anyway, whether we look or not.

291 wiffersnapper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:30:40pm

Hot Air: Where Sock Puppets go to die make fools out of themselves

292 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:31:08pm

re: #281 DaddyG

Not by a long shot.

I think Charles has stated above that he doesn't want some of the slander to stand unaddressed. I think the anti-LGFers like the attention so this may be self defeating. But hey, if I want to code and run my own blog I can do it differently.

And I think it needs to be addressed, but my opinion, address it, not prolong it, not make it something that gets toss back and forth, cross blog, snark to the left of me, snark to the right of me, after a while, it's not longer a matter of how started it, it self replicates and becomes viral.

My opinion only.

293 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:31:28pm

re: #276 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, you don't have to have an iphone. You can just download the app from Itunes.

294 spiderx  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:32:23pm

re: #283 jaunte

Looks like the other owners just didn't want his baggage in their club.
...Aren't his "fake" quotes documented?

there were a couple quotes that some so called journalists went with that were bogus.

Who knows why they went with two of the bogus quotes when there are so many real bigoted comments available that Rush has made.

295 Splatt  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:32:53pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Everybody's all celebratory about the DOW closing over 10K and how it was 10 years ago that it 1st closed over 10K. But, if you take into account the fact that the dollar has lost 25% of it's value over those 10 years, the DOW in REAL (not nominal) terms is really at 7,537, as of right now.

Depressing, isn't it?

296 Guanxi88  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #295 Splatt

Spoil-sport.

297 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:33:41pm

Just had a very interesting chat with Jon Avlon:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Former adviser to Rudy Giuliani. He's writing a book; this was an interview for the book.

298 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:34:46pm

Well all, must go. I hope everyone has a terrific evening!

299 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:35:05pm

re: #295 Splatt

Everybody's all celebratory about the DOW closing over 10K and how it was 10 years ago that it 1st closed over 10K. But, if you take into account the fact that the dollar has lost 25% of it's value over those 10 years, the DOW in REAL (not nominal) terms is really at 7,537, as of right now.

Depressing, isn't it?


Especially to those of us who have had their salary frozen for three years and our share of benefits rise 10% each year. Not that I mind the state being fiscally responsible, I just wish the Feds would share in the belt tightening.

300 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:35:08pm

I want to make a pre-emptive defense of Charles here, lest anyone question the rightness of this post.

It is absolutely true that if one were to go through the archives at LGF, one could find a number of ugly comments - from posters who have since been banned.

The message on this blog was always that vile and racist rants were not welcome. This has been very actively enforced for several years. I have met few people more disgusted by racism than Charles.

If Charles is at all to blame, the worst that can be said is that in the earlier days, he was too willing to let people just say what they were going to say, even if he disagreed personally. Even in those earlier days the most vile stuff was still not welcome and nothing that was allowed to stand compared to what he is reporting on now.

The real difference of course is that the far right has been openly allying with very vile and racist groups and spreading very vile and racist memes. This is something that Charles from the get go stood against - and quite courageously too. He lost a lot of friends and was subjected to the most vile of personal attacks for taking the right and principled stand.

So when Charles posts the garbage that the far right has carefully fear mongered into fruition. He is simply showing an honest reporting of what is going on. It is not surprising that if you race bait for close to a year and fear monger for many years, that you will get many disgusting racist remarks. This is not a few cherry picks. It is a loud and vocal arm of the far right. It is exactly the base fears that Rush and Malkin and Coulter and Beck and Ron Paul and Geller and Spencer and all the rest have been feeding for some time.

It is not Charles' fault for rightfully shining a light on it. In fact, he should be praised for it.

People reap what they sew.

Charles is making an honest shoot.

301 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:35:11pm

People are noticing the incredible vitriol that's being directed at me, for not toeing the hard right line.

302 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #285 tradewind

I'm sure the courts will figure it out.

303 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:35:33pm

re: #289 reloadingisnotahobby

When your done can have one?
Will it fit in my gun safe? My garage?or, on my propery?

Considering the largest on is about the size of an average laptop and about 5" tall, it shouldn't be a problem.

304 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:36:02pm

re: #297 Charles

Just had a very interesting chat with Jon Avlon:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Former adviser to Rudy Giuliani. He's writing a book; this was an interview for the book.

Cool.

305 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #297 Charles

Just had a very interesting chat with Jon Avlon:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Former adviser to Rudy Giuliani. He's writing a book; this was an interview for the book.

Very cool.

306 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:36:42pm

re: #258 Linden Arden

Racist or inflammatory comments like these do no one any good.

ESPN is reporting that the NFL owners want no part of Limbaugh and Checketts is dropping him.

Your text to link...

If this is indeed true, I have only one thing to say to Rush:

Ain't karma a b*tch?

307 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:37:04pm

re: #292 Walter L. Newton

I think you that's a good and valid opinion. Perhaps my flippant attitude towards it doesn't help the situation either. I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that only a few people involved can reasonably take it personally (Charles, for example), and the fact that many people have a lot of free time while sitting at their computers. Short tempers and bitter attitudes don't help matters any either.

308 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:37:33pm

re: #306 talon_262

If this is indeed true, I have only one thing to say to Rush:

Ain't karma a b*tch?

Yeah go figure, a sport dominated by black men does not dig on all teh racist shit Rush says...

309 captdiggs  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:39:14pm

Hotair has a very clear disclaimer on their comments

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Why not discuss their articles instead of comments?

Just asking.

310 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:39:25pm

re: #300 ludwigvanquixote

The reason why some extreme comments were allowed at LGF in the early years was twofold:

1) I believed the community would police itself, and it was better to err on the side of free speech. (Bzzt! Wrong.)

2) I simply didn't have the tools to monitor comments very well. We were running on an underpowered web server, with blog software that was not up to the task. And when LGF started to become popular and there were thousands of comments a day, it was simply impossible to read them all.

311 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:39:54pm

re: #297 Charles

Just had a very interesting chat with Jon Avlon:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Former adviser to Rudy Giuliani. He's writing a book; this was an interview for the book.

Quite a collection of quotations at that link, including #23 form a former registered commenter here. Perhaps her comments should be nuked from orbit, although I don't recall anything out of line. Worth a look.

312 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:00pm

re: #308 ludwigvanquixote

You are gloating.

313 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:04pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

It won't get that far, I don't think, but there will be a settlement.
Moral: when you're gonna trash someone in their own words, don't use wiki as your source.

314 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #308 ludwigvanquixote

Yeah go figure, a sport dominated by black men does not dig on all teh racist shit Rush says...

The owners know one thing about Their business.. 3 words
Do no harm

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:33pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Hot Airheads are pushing the theory that he dropped out so he can sue over the "fake" quotes.

Of the popular ones attributed to Rush, some are fake, some are not.

316 Dainn  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #263 RealismRox

Lincoln should have outlawed confederate flags like was done with swastikas in post-WW2 Germany.

Lincoln was assassinated too early for his plans to take affect. Perhaps our nation wouldn't have had "Separate but equal" if Boothe had missed.

317 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:40:56pm

re: #310 Charles

There was something romantic about refreshing a +1000 comment thread though, wasn't there?
...uuummm no

318 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:41:15pm

These people ned to get laid.

319 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:41:18pm

re: #309 captdiggs

Hotair has a very clear disclaimer on their comments

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Why not discuss their articles instead of comments?

Just asking.

I would remove anyone from my home if they talked like this, wouldn't you? The owner of Hot Air can remove these comments. If the owner of Hot Air does not agree with this sort of comments, then the options are clear and defined.

Stop it or shut it down.

Or do you think the comments should be allowed?

320 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #316 Dainn

Lincoln was assassinated too early for his plans to take affect. Perhaps our nation wouldn't have had "Separate but equal" if Boothe had missed.


I doubt it. Lincoln was an inspired leader but still a product of his times. He pondered segragation of the races as a solution to the slavery problem. Still it was a shame that he was assassinated. He may have been able to continue the policy of listening to the better Angels of our nature and avoided a lot of reprisals on both sides.

321 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:43:19pm
322 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:43:26pm

re: #266 jaunte

Yeesh.

Image: limbaughmartyr.jpg

323 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:43:47pm

re: #321 Ignorant Mensan

Weak.

324 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:44:06pm

Buh-bye now

325 bosforus  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #321 Ignorant Mensan

Then don't walk on eggshells. Say what you've gotta say.

326 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:44:41pm
327 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:44:52pm

re: #309 captdiggs

Why not discuss their articles instead of comments?

Just asking.

LGF also has a disclaimer at the top. However, MM, AP, and Ed are letting some very nasty comments be said without repremand or deletion. By doing so, they are showing that they are at the least tolerant of those comments if not approving of those comments. That's why.

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:44:56pm

re: #318 astronmr20

These people ned to get laid.

Hell, I need to get laid, but you don't see me spouting garbage like that.

329 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:45:47pm

re: #318 astronmr20

These people ned to get laid.


Who is Ned and why does he deserve to get laid any more than I do? /

330 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:45:55pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, I need to get laid, but you don't see me spouting garbage like that.

Possible rotating title...

331 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #309 captdiggs

Hotair has a very clear disclaimer on their comments

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Why not discuss their articles instead of comments?

Just asking.

A boilerplate legal disclaimer doesn't absolve Ed and AP of responsibility or liabilty for their posters posting vile and potentially legally harmful comments.

/try again...

332 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:16pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth

Of the popular ones attributed to Rush, some are fake, some are not.

That's probably why he won't take it to court. He'll just claim they're all fake, his audience doesn't care.

333 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:25pm

Walter - I'm sure eventually you'll learn to hit the Reply button instead of Quote for comments like those...

334 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:28pm

re: #322 Jimmah

Maybe he's trying for the N.O. Saints.

335 captdiggs  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:49pm

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

I would remove anyone from my home if they talked like this, wouldn't you? The owner of Hot Air can remove these comments. If the owner of Hot Air does not agree with this sort of comments, then the options are clear and defined.

Stop it or shut it down.

Or do you think the comments should be allowed?

I just don't think that the comments are pertinent to anything.
I've seen some vile comments on published LA Times, Washington Post, Jerusalem Post, blogs and articles. I don't assume that the staff and owners of those media outlets agree with those comments.
Focusing on some comments seems to be a distraction from the articles themselves...imo.

336 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:50pm

re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth

Obviously Ignorant Mensan lived up to his name. He was definitely ignorant.

337 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:46:58pm

Well that one just whizzed on by...

338 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:47:46pm

re: #335 captdiggs

So what's stopping you from starting your own blog where you can post what you think is important, and get all the credit for it?

339 researchok  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:47:58pm

re: #309 captdiggs

Hotair has a very clear disclaimer on their comments

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Why not discuss their articles instead of comments?

Just asking.

Because LGF does not and will not pander to a rabble or mob.

Free speech can elevate or denigrate conversations or exchanges.

CJ prefers free expressions that do the former.

340 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:48:09pm

re: #337 tradewind

Well that one just whizzed on by...

To sum up: I'm a naughty naughty boy! Whip me! Flog me! Ban me!

You didn't miss a thing.

341 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:48:33pm

re: #333 Charles

Walter - I'm sure eventually you'll learn to hit the Reply button instead of Quote for comments like those...

Charles, sorry. I checked under the users avatar, saw he was blocked, but the post was still up, so I thought that you were leaving it to make a point, so I decided to piggy-back on the comment and make my own point.

I didn't know you were between blocking and deleting.

342 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:48:48pm

Interesting that no one ever complained when I posted comments from Huffington Post or Daily Kos.

343 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
/No fair talking about the criminal if the rest of us can't look at his file/

344 captdiggs  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:49:41pm

re: #338 Charles

No time, nor interest, and I'm not looking for credit for my opinions.

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

Ignorant indeed. We don't walk on eggshells around here. We walk on something else entirely.

346 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #343 tradewind

/No fair talking about the criminal if the rest of us can't look at his file/

But thats when its the most fun!

347 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:50:49pm

re: #333 Charles

Walter - I'm sure eventually you'll learn to hit the Reply button instead of Quote for comments like those...

It is a hard habit to break. I've earned the vast majority of my deletes that way.

348 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #344 captdiggs

No time, nor interest, and I'm not looking for credit for my opinions.

Then why don't you refrain from telling the owner of this blog what to post or not to post?

349 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/buncha bitchy little girls.../
:)

350 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:51:08pm

Dedicated to the dumbass
You can go your own way
Fleetwood Mac
Posting here
Isn't the right thing to do
How can I ever change things
That I feel

If I could
Maybe I'd give you my world
How can i
When you wont take it from me

You can go flounce own way
Go your own way
You an call it
Another lonely day
You can go flounce your own way
Go your own way

Tell me why
Everything turned around
Packing up
Whacking up is all you wanna do

If I could
Baby Id give you my world
Open up
The Stalkers are waiting for you

You can go flounce your own way
Go your own way
You an call it
Another lonely day
You can go flounce your own way
Go your own way

351 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #335 captdiggs

I just don't think that the comments are pertinent to anything.
I've seen some vile comments on published LA Times, Washington Post, Jerusalem Post, blogs and articles. I don't assume that the staff and owners of those media outlets agree with those comments.
Focusing on some comments seems to be a distraction from the articles themselves...imo.

Not at all. One can tell the caliber of the folks reading and commenting by the comments left in the comments section. One can also tell how good the blog is by reading which comments have been deleted for violating the TOS, and which ones violate the TOS but get left up anyway.

Comments count, and that's why Charles rigorously patrols the comment section here. By leaving those comments up, those commentors and webmasters have tarnished their blog's name.

352 SixDegrees  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #331 talon_262

A boilerplate legal disclaimer doesn't absolve Ed and AP of responsibility or liabilty for their posters posting vile and potentially legally harmful comments.

/try again...

Actually, the courts have been quite consistent in finding that those running chat rooms, forums, blogs with comments and so forth are not responsible for the material others post. It may be ethically wrong to let repugnant comments stand, but legally there's not a problem.

There are obvious exceptions - continuing to host copyrighted material once you've been asked to remove it by the copyright holder, for example. But mostly, hosts are no more responsible for their guests comments than they would be in their own homes.

353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:52:04pm

re: #342 Charles

It's all fun and games until someone starts goring their sacred cow. Hypocrites.

354 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:52:59pm

I turn around to do my job for two minutes and two comments just go Poof!

I must learn work less and read LGF more...

355 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:53:38pm

re: #342 Charles

Yeah, but now they're taking up real estate on the sidebar at Politico, which practically makes them MSM... where's the fun in that?
///

356 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:54:01pm

Experience shows that whatever the legal situation, a site's reputation is created in part by the comment section and what the proprietor allows to stand there.

357 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:54:08pm

Israel rebukes Turkey over brutish TV portrayal of IDF

The show, called Ayrilik, features a love story that develops between the lead characters during Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, according to Israeli media reports.

However, a partial episode available on YouTube depicts multiple images of the IDF brutalizing the Palestinian population by shooting children in the chest and kicking elderly people on the ground, among other things.

358 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:54:09pm

re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth

It's all fun and games until someone starts goring their sacred cow. Hypocrites.

Yep. This is where we bar-be-que sacred cows for lunch.

359 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:54:52pm

Why it's important to not reflexively oppose everything...
Thirty Republicans

Youtube Video
360 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #358 Honorary Yooper

Yep. This is where we bar-be-que sacred cows for lunch.

MMM, brisket

361 captdiggs  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:55:01pm

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Then why don't you refrain from telling the owner of this blog what to post or not to post?

I'm not telling anyone what to post.
I stated an opinion along with a question.
In my opinion...the articles at any blog, along with editorials, are far more worthy of commentary and focus rather than the comments.

362 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #352 SixDegrees

Actually, the courts have been quite consistent in finding that those running chat rooms, forums, blogs with comments and so forth are not responsible for the material others post. It may be ethically wrong to let repugnant comments stand, but legally there's not a problem.

There are obvious exceptions - continuing to host copyrighted material once you've been asked to remove it by the copyright holder, for example. But mostly, hosts are no more responsible for their guests comments than they would be in their own homes.

Libel and inciting violence would be a couple of those exceptions, i'd hope.

363 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:56:00pm

re: #351 Honorary Yooper

Not at all. One can tell the caliber of the folks reading and commenting by the comments left in the comments section. One can also tell how good the blog is by reading which comments have been deleted for violating the TOS, and which ones violate the TOS but get left up anyway.

Comments count, and that's why Charles rigorously patrols the comment section here. By leaving those comments up, those commentors and webmasters have tarnished their blog's name.

Tarnish in what sense? I really ask that. I think we confuse what we think is vile and racist and nasty for what they should think is vile and racist and nasty.

I don't think they care. Let's look at the bottom line. As long as you see traffic at those sites, as long as you see ads at those sites and as long as the owner can either make a profit or keep it going out of his mad money, the site is not going anywhere.

Tarnish is just another color to those people.

364 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:56:33pm

re: #357 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israel rebukes Turkey over brutish TV portrayal of IDF

I'm calling coup.

366 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:00:55pm

re: #312 DaddyG

You are gloating.

No not really. Rush called the assassin of MLK a national hero. He has said that and all sorts of other openly racist vile things that would get anyone else instantly booted. Even though that puts him firmly into the category of irredeemable scum for me, what I think of his repulsive ranting is not the point. You could maybe imagine that Black people find him to be odious.

What entertains me is seeing Rush's defenders wondering how it is that both the racist rednecks and Black people both clearly understood Rush and did not think it was any form of satire or any other spin doctoring. What entertains me more is the inability to see cause and effect when there are so very few minority Republicans.

The theme of inability to see cause and effect is something much on my mind of late.

367 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:01:08pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth
where they are saying a quote was ' authentic', their sources are cited below often as reporters... not always gospel.
Snopes is a great tool, but they are also suffering from the same problem in some cases as wiki... there is just too much information being thrown at them to process independently and they have been relying on ' sources' that formerly would not have made the cut when it comes to quotes.
It was unfortunate for Limbaugh to use the Crips and the Bloods in his statement, but his meaning was quite clear: he went on to discuss the (not small) number of convicted felons currently playing for the NFL, not their race.

368 SixDegrees  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:01:17pm

re: #362 talon_262

Libel and inciting violence would be a couple of those exceptions, i'd hope.

The folks posting such things might be charged; not the person hosting the site they're posted on, however.

369 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout
What happened to "Love the sinner, hate the sin"?
She's pitiful!

370 jaunte  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:02:39pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

At the end of the day, I'm just trying to lead a good Christian life. That means going to church on Sunday, following the Ten Commandments, and fighting what I believe to be a sexual abomination through a series of petty actions and bitter comments made under my breath.


Hah!

371 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #369 reloadingisnotahobby

It's a parody site.

372 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #310 Charles

The reason why some extreme comments were allowed at LGF in the early years was twofold:

1) I believed the community would police itself, and it was better to err on the side of free speech. (Bzzt! Wrong.)

2) I simply didn't have the tools to monitor comments very well. We were running on an underpowered web server, with blog software that was not up to the task. And when LGF started to become popular and there were thousands of comments a day, it was simply impossible to read them all.

Well said. Then I withdraw even the bit about if you are to blame at all.

I know full well that you are no racist and that you do not tolerate it.

I am just particularly steamed at the hypocrisy of actual vile race baiters trying to compare you to themselves.

373 tradewind  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:04:17pm

re: #369 reloadingisnotahobby

That piece is really sick, and I know it's the Onion. ...love 'em... but still... it's not twisted/funny, it's twisted, period.

374 Linden Arden  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:04:42pm

One single quote wrongly attributed to Mr. Limbaugh did not do him in with the NFL owners.

His supporters need not pretend otherwise.

375 simoom  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:10:37pm

I was just browsing through the user submitted photos at GOP.com - a couple amusing bits:

Since it's so new one user can have a disproportionate impact, so here's one Paulian's submissions making Ron Paul content about 10% of what's there ~
[Link: our.gop.com...]

And this is my nomination for the best photo so far - a truly impressive/overwhelming Sarah Palin t-shirt ~
[Link: our.gop.com...]

376 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:11:45pm

re: #244 Ben Hur

You see it on FARK all the time.

377 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:11:49pm

re: #375 simoom


And this is my nomination for the best photo so far - a truly impressive/overwhelming Sarah Palin t-shirt ~
[Link: our.gop.com...]


Lol!

378 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:12:11pm

The talk about who is responsible & disclaimers misses one point. Apart from his or her conscience the blog host is in the end responsible to his or her traffic. No traffic no relevance. LGF is confident enough to show its stats. They show something besides the raw data-They show the blog is right on the money for its viewers, lurkers, active posters and advertisers.

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I really disliked that satire. I love the Onion, that one was a real loser in my opinion. By the dings I see even the cover of satire was inadequate to this audience. No offense Killgore, tastes vary widely.

379 Bonk  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:14:02pm

What happened to the wacky left? Used to be we'd see posts here at LGF about what kind of crazy ideas and statements cropped up at the HuffPo and other sites, but now it's just post after post about how awful the far right is, how deluded anyone who doesn't believe in global warming is, how crazy Glenn Beck is and the occasional interesting bit about Israel - and little or nothing about what's going on with the push for nationalized health care or the Afghan war.

Maybe I missed something, but did all of the rabid lefties get normal and well-behaved all of a sudden? Or did Charles just stop visiting their sites to notice it? I'm curious what's behind the huge anti-far right bias instead of something a bit more balanced which calls out the wackjobs on both extremes? Admittedly, the far right is a lot more like the far left now, but they're not any worse - or any better.

It's more amusing/informative to show both sides of the crazy IMO - then you can compare them and disregard *both* extremes.

380 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:16:39pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout
The first time I saw it, it struck me funny. Like I said, FARK. Then I started seeing it everywhere and there were people who believed it. That's when I realized it wasn't all that funny and I don't blame him for being pissed about it.

381 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:17:34pm

re: #379 Bonk

No one blog can cover everything. Branch out.

382 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:18:59pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

Well it was down two, but now up two. I was wrong.

383 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:19:36pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

re: #373 tradewind
I read a bit and that was it!
Thanks!
with all that's out there ya never know...

384 Bonk  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:21:23pm

re: #381 The Sanity Inspector

I guess. Just seems to a very focused anti- blog now, whereas before it used to be a lot more balanced. Just curious why it changed.

385 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:23:29pm

re: #384 Bonk

I guess. Just seems to a very focused anti- blog now, whereas before it used to be a lot more balanced. Just curious why it changed.

LGF didn't change- the political landscape did. This has always been an anti-idiotarian site, and still is. What changed was the right decided to become more idiotic.

386 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:23:41pm

re: #384 Bonk

I guess. Just seems to a very focused anti- blog now, whereas before it used to be a lot more balanced. Just curious why it changed.

Oh, right. Used to be "more balanced."

What you really mean is that you used to believe LGF agreed with your pet ideologies. Now that your own oxe is being gored, suddenly it's all one-sided.

387 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:25:17pm

re: #384 Bonk

I guess. Just seems to a very focused anti- blog now, whereas before it used to be a lot more balanced. Just curious why it changed.

Ummm... Balanced would mean the clear application of well defined principles equally. We don't just dislike far left lunacy. We also dislike far right lunacy.

388 Sloppy  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:28:30pm

Was listening to a friend from Virginia waxing wroth over the way the Yankees tore up her native Richmond at the end of the war, and had to remind her forcefully that where I live didn't even become a state until 1867. Was afraid she was working up to kick my ass personally. (I neglected to mention that we sent something like three regiments to fight alongside the Yankees.) Resentments seem to die hard down there.

389 Kragar  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:32:37pm

re: #388 Sloppy

Was listening to a friend from Virginia waxing wroth over the way the Yankees tore up her native Richmond at the end of the war, and had to remind her forcefully that where I live didn't even become a state until 1867. Was afraid she was working up to kick my ass personally. (I neglected to mention that we sent something like three regiments to fight alongside the Yankees.) Resentments seem to die hard down there.

I'm not allowed to mention Sherman in the presence of some of my relatives on my Mom's side of the family.

390 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #384 Bonk

I guess. Just seems to a very focused anti- blog now, whereas before it used to be a lot more balanced. Just curious why it changed.

Could it be the right went substantially insane in the last 11 months?

391 Yashmak  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 4:05:14pm

re: #390 bratwurst

Could it be the right went substantially insane in the last 11 months?

I don't believe that is true. I believe that most conservatives are still quite rational (many who are are long-time regulars here, like myself). I suspect that's what Bonk was trying to convey.

I would agree, however, that a very vocal minority within the party does seem to have gone off the deep end lately.

392 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 4:07:21pm

This is really disturbing...

I usually never bothered to read Hotair's comments as they were never as interesting or insightful as LGF's. Why don't they just police themselves better instead of going to war with Charles?

393 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 4:07:44pm

Again I've been away an awfully long time. Things have changed a bit.

394 Plato  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 4:20:54pm

I just read that Powerline blog has discontinued the comments section. Too much time weeding out goof balls. I'm a regular at Victor Davis Hanson's blog. There are one or two people on that blog that argue just to argue. Just dumb cliches. What a waste of time.

Here people are booted. Period. I've never appreciated that before but I do now. It's a new stage in blogging. We all discriminate in good ways. Food, Clothing, dwelling, company...we choose one and not the other.

I'm proud to be a member here and I hope to always be. I like a moral stance and I don't like to have my time wasted by being challenged by trolls. I don't want to spend the time to teach them anything when I'm sure they don't want to learn anyway.

I just want to learn and enjoy music.

395 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 4:37:17pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a lady whose driver's license was issued by the Weimar Republic. It's still good in Germany, BTW.

Driver's licenses are good for life in Germany. I still have mine, with a picture that would confound the stalkers.

396 PaisleyCow  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:05:18pm

re: #393 DeathtotheSwiss

Me too.

It's no bother to me if I don't agree with Charles much, but trying to be objective here, it seems like there's not anything any of the parties in question (HotAir, specifically) can do right. Charles blames them for the comments (which if IIRC, Charles has defended himself against the exact same thing in the past), then ridicules Allahpundit for threatening to ban someone. I'm afraid that if they do begin doing more as Charles would prefer, he'll mock them for taking so long (which, no offense Charles, you've done to many sites in the past..."Down the memory hole" and such).

I like AP's style and humor quite a bit, and it seems a bit unfair to label him and Ed "creeps." It seems like that sort of judgment ought to be based solely based on what they write and not their commenters.

Only 5 of the 28 LGF posts currently in my RSS are not devoted to trashing the right in one way or another, and two of those 5 are music and two are Michael Yon. Granted: not my blog, not my rules, but that seems a very different balance than in previous years, no? I don't know, it just makes it very hard as a Catholic conservative LGFer.

Totally serious question: how would Charles identify himself politically these days?

397 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:10:03pm

re: #396 PaisleyCow

Charles blames them for the comments (which if IIRC, Charles has defended himself against the exact same thing in the past), then ridicules Allahpundit for threatening to ban someone.

Are you nuts?

Allahpundit threatened to ban someone who posted a comment accusing me of being a pedophile -- and then he didn't ban that person, and didn't even delete the comments. And there was more than one comment that echoed the "child molester" smear.

How would you feel if someone falsely accused you by your real name (not "PaisleyCow") of committing a disgusting crime, and the person with the authority to delete that comment ... DIDN'T?

Unbelievable.

398 freetoken  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:10:06pm

re: #396 PaisleyCow

AP is being called out for (1) not policing his blog, and (2) turning a blind eye to his commenters libeling CJ. Why do you think it is too much to ask someone (in this case AP) to do the honorable thing?

399 idioma  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:44:03pm

And this I sayeth unto you all: Be most excellent to each other, and let us all be L337.

400 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:45:45pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

I understand Glenn Beck's next book will be called "Triumph of the Shill". Sarah Palin was going to use the title, till someone (now fired) pointed out that she failed to...triumph.

Certainly, someone could use "Triumph of the Shrill".

401 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 5:58:43pm
402 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 6:01:42pm

Now you're just being willfully obtuse, making excuses for people who falsely accuse me of being a pedophile, and I've had enough. Go away.

403 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 6:15:18pm

Just got here and I'm not caught up on the thread.
I just want to say I think this is a terrific new recurring feature here and is necessary. The comments at Hot Air have been horrific for a long time-- years-- and no one anywhere in the blogosphere has bothered to shine the light on it.

These people need to be shamed into doing the right thing. I know a lot of people deplored KT leaving those comments there-- but does anyone really think they would have changed anything if he hadn't?

I hope this series gets picked up everywhere else in the blogosphere. I hope it starts getting nationwide attention in the MSM. HotAir has to start moderating its comments-- not merely for what it allows CJ to be called there, but for the ongoing hateful and often exterminationist rhetoric it allows constantly. It's disgusting and Michelle Malkin and everyone who writes for them is tacitly condoning it by allowing it to appear. There is no excuse for a website of that size in 2009 to have such poor moderation. None-- except that they don't care what is said there so long as their traffic and their income stays up, and they're willing to give cover to people who belong at a site like StormFront so long as their income rolls in.

And that's probably why Malkin allows her work to be used on VDARE too.

404 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 6:15:41pm

re: #251 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Roads

Candles

405 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 6:31:06pm

One more thing-- the losers like RSM or elsewhere in the wingnutsphere, or whiners here who think this is 'only' a blogwar or about a personal vendetta, need to get a fucking clue.

Go pull virtually any HA thread since it was founded and you'll find it's always been a hateful racist cesspit that often called for physical violence if not actual murder of people perceived to be political opponents. These aren't cherrypicked comments or something that only happened with Obama's election. This has been going on since its inception. And while there was (some) small excuse in the beginning, because running a web community and getting moderation right is something you learn to do as you go, there is no excuse now and there hasn't been any excuse for a long time. That site gets tons of traffic and generates tons of income. They could have (and should have) hired human beings to sit there and monitor comments from the beginning. They had the income. They chose not to.

And even now they choose not to moderate more closely -- which is why they need to be called on it. Loudly and often.

406 avspatti  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:49:16pm

I don't really understand how blogs work as far as the 'owners/moderators' (are those the correct terms?) are concerned. However, it seems to me that they surely have day jobs to attend to and cannot instantly read every comment. How long is considered too long for the moderators to act? On several hockey sites, it takes quite a while . . . within 24 hours, though. Just asking. Thanks.

407 spiderx  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:44:35pm

re: #406 avspatti

I don't really understand how blogs work as far as the 'owners/moderators' (are those the correct terms?) are concerned. However, it seems to me that they surely have day jobs to attend to and cannot instantly read every comment. How long is considered too long for the moderators to act? On several hockey sites, it takes quite a while . . . within 24 hours, though. Just asking. Thanks.

a blogs comment section gives one a good idea of who the readership is. The comment section is part of the community of the blog. Now if a few crazy comments are left at a blog you can say they don't represent the readership. But when a comment section of a blog is overwhelmed with craziness it's a different story.

it's not surprising that a blog run by michelle malkin is going to have crazy people leaving comments. I wouldn't compare it to a hockey site.

Just go look at the comments left on foxnation.com . This is a website run by fox news. FOX News has deep enough pockets to monitor the comments left on their blog. But either they choose not to or they approve of the hateful racist craziness that gets posted there. I'm not sure which is worse.

408 avspatti  Wed, Oct 14, 2009 9:33:50pm

I really don't understand why Charles down-dinged me for asking a simple question about how blogs work. I was just asking for clarification on how often or how constantly moderators do their thing.

About hockey sites: there are plenty of loons posting there as well. Really filthy language among other things. These are eventually deleted and the posters warned and/or booted from the site. However, they are not always deleted instantaneously as the mods have a life to attend to. The bad guys do get it sooner or later (not very).

I still don't understand how often etc. the moderation is expected to happen. I guess not being in the know about blogs and asking a simple question is not kosher on this site. Kind of bewildering imo.

409 freetoken  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:13:09am

re: #408 avspatti

Over at HA, the moderators let stand libelous statements against Charles even after they have seen them, as evidenced by having other, newer statements deleted.

So it's not just a case of not having a moderator on call 24/7... rather, it that the moderators don't really care.

410 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:19:00pm
411 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:19:48pm

It's a really bad idea to dare me to ban you.

412 avspatti  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:27:30pm

re: #409 freetoken

Thank you for the explanation. I don't read over there that much, so I didn't notice the time frame.

413 Bonk  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:11:45am

re: #386 Charles

Oh, right. Used to be "more balanced."

What you really mean is that you used to believe LGF agreed with your pet ideologies. Now that your own ox is being gored, suddenly it's all one-sided.

No, it's one-sided because, well, it's one-sided.

What the heck do you know about "my pet ideologies"? Nothing. I haven't SHARED any of them here. Glad you feel obliged to pigeonhole me with your preconceptions, but I beg to differ.*

I don't disagree with your posts on right wing wackjobs being a bad thing, I'm only questioning why you are so singlemindedly focused on it. Again, did all the left wing nut-jobs go into hibernation and stop being equally as extreme?

One of the followup posts put out the numbers - 28 to 5 - and I simply asked why this was happening on a blog that *previously* was a bit "more balanced" on criticizing the left AND the right. You can simply say that you changed your focus if you want, but barring that I find it hard to believe that you can only find craziness on the right leaning side of the blogosphere nowadays. If that's all you want to post on, great. No worries. It's just not very interesting to read the same thing over and over on a site where there used to be more variety in the commentary. If my SAYING that disturbs you, I'm sorry. I'll stop posting here.

*For the record, my "pet ideologies":
Creationism is a fib.
Glenn Beck is a comedian, not a journalist.
White Supremacists are bad. So are any other colored ones.
Global Climate Change Happens. Nobody can prove why, or what causes it.
Right wing fanatics = Left wing fanatics. Both bad.
Capitalism mostly good, socialism mostly bad.

NOW you can judge me on my beliefs, if you feel the need to do so.


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