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Bagua Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:32:35pm |
Good parody of the inanity of media on almost any issue.
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Bob Levin Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:43:18pm |
Yep, perfect. We need that economic news and analysis. Very important.
:-)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:46:39pm |
I'm really looking forward to that Monty Python documentary.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:49:20pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:09pm |
Oh, noes!
Obama, George H.W. Bush unite to support volunteerism (live feed)
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:19pm |
Fits right in with the cookbook theme:
REALITY BITES! Diverse Delights for a Deficit Economy
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:31pm |
re: #5 MandyManners
It's advertised on the Onion clip.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:52:18pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Not sure if Bush has already spoken. I assume the sitting president is the closer.
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marsl Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:53:07pm |
Rubbing your credit cards in your body? Does that work?
sarc
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:53:33pm |
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marsl Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:28pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
Hmmm... nope.
1) I'm not a women
2) I don't use credit cards
3) I'm too big - would need many credits cards. Would you gve me yours? Write your name and pin-code. IN Portugal, Mastercard, American Express and Visa are accepted...
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:32pm |
Approaching 80,000 page views for the day. Not too bad for an irrelevant blog that all decent right-thinking wingnuts must curse and defame.
For example, Robert Stacy McCain today at Protein Wisdom, commenting on my link to Barrett Brown's article about him:
Comment by Robert Stacy McCain on 10/15 @ 10:48 pm #
Let me put it this way, Barrett: If I ever went over to HuffPo or TrueSlant and started trolling the comments, people would question my sanity. It bespeaks a smallness and a frightening level of fanaticism. Stop sucking Charles Johnson’s cock and start thinking about your own reputation and career, as what you do under your own name, Barrett Brown, is not the same as your anonymous cocksucking at LGF.
Thanks for my PW friends for letting me know about this.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:37pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Good. "Help other people at all times" ( from the Scout oath).
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:58:02pm |
Elder Bush sees 'ugliness' in attacks on Obama
Former President George H.W. Bush doesn't like the "ugliness" President Barack Obama has faced since taking office, but he thinks it's no worse than his son experienced and is not about Obama being black.
Bush, who was hosting Obama at a volunteerism forum here Friday, said the tone of the criticism "crosses the line of civility."
"To the degree it turns off one student or young person from serving, that's bad," Bush said in an interview with CBS News Radio at his presidential library. "It should not happen."
...
The elder Bush said, "You might find some racists out there but I don't think the attacks per se have to do that he's an African-American."Bush, who turned 85 in June, said presidents throughout history have suffered at the hands of critics.
"I'm reluctant to say it's a whole new thing in politics — this ugliness," he said. "I mean you go back to Grover Cleveland ... It was terrible the things that people said."
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freetoken Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:59:46pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
And why does it surprise you that George. H. W. "New World Order" Bush would help Obama bring in the NWO?
/
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Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:00:12pm |
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stuck in california Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:00:37pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:10pm |
re: #20 freetoken
Helping Obama to create his own private army of jackbooted brownshirts!
/wingnut
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:38pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Cleveland won partly because a Republican who was preacher made a derogatory comment about Catholics, calling the Dems the party of "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion."
There is not much new under the sun.
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Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:53pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
Helping Obama to create his own private army of jackbooted brownshirts!
/wingnut
For the OLIGARHY!
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:02:33pm |
re: #22 stuck in california
O knights that say Ni, you are just and fair. We will return with your shrubbery ...
ROFLMAO
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:02:38pm |
re: #24 Ojoe
Ah, thanks. I didn't understand that reference.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:03:53pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Of course, I like Rum Romanism and Rebellion, myself.
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freetoken Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:04:04pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:05:05pm |
Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. I already have several good candidates, but as we all know it's a never-ending fountain of crazy over there, so if anyone has links to especially insane and/or offensive comments, post them here, please.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:05:07pm |
Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.
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freetoken Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:06:28pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
You're believing the words of a guy who was a supervisor of JFK's murder?
/
/see video linked above
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:07:44pm |
Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:08:48pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.
Except that he's a RINO!!!
/
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freetoken Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:09:50pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:10:54pm |
re: #36 Charles
That guy actually sent me a link with a note: "hope you enjoy."
Yeah, sure, who doesn't enjoy being described as "batshit crazy, a Howard Hughes-save and drink his own urine-type"?
Some people seem to have no awareness at all of their own shitty behavior.
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Bagua Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:12:05pm |
re: #33 Charles
Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. [...].
Engine room, full power to the rear shields and fire up the Flounce-o-meter!
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:12:52pm |
re: #36 Charles
Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Bet they thought you were too preoccupied to notice them.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:14:45pm |
re: #40 Charles
That guy actually sent me a link with a note: "hope you enjoy."
Yeah, sure, who doesn't enjoy being described as "batshit crazy, a Howard Hughes-save and drink his own urine-type"?
Some people seem to have no awareness at all of their own shitty behavior.
I don't know Charles, with a professional handle like Druggy Bear, you know he is a dedicated professional.
//
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recusancy Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:15:38pm |
President of Americans For Prosperity does his best 'that was all in the past' dodge.
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KingKenrod Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:15:46pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.
Volunteering is a good thing.
But I think volunteer-ism should be left to private organizations. If government wants to give grants to creditable private organizations, fine - as taxpayers, we can agree or disagree that is a good use of public funds.
But a govt run volunteer effort, or a legal mandate to do volunteer work - I say "no thanks" to that. To much opportunity for mis-use by whatever knucklehead is in charge of it. The govt has enough trouble keeping clean and focusing on more primary missions.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:16:02pm |
(Watch: now that there's a newer thread, the real crazies will start posting in the Anita Dunn thread...)
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Danny Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:09pm |
I think my wife is wondering why I was smelling her credit cards.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:27pm |
re: #40 Charles
Take comfort in the fact that they still hate you.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:52pm |
re: #33 Charles
Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. I already have several good candidates, but as we all know it's a never-ending fountain of crazy over there, so if anyone has links to especially insane and/or offensive comments, post them here, please.
Seriously.. In the end.. All you can do is shine a light in the darkest corners.
All man has in this world is truth, Courage, principles and Faith..
You have never wavered in your beliefs and just bent to the prevailing winds. You have lost some friends.. not out of a bitter freud...But because you stood for the Sanity..Not right or left..But anti-idiot views..No matter if it's about race, politics, blogs, Our dear friends the Jews, Religion or any subject...You stuck to your guns Charles..
That's called Integrity ..
Too little of that shit these days..
/Yea..I'm looking at you HA..
-Kind Regards
Hoopster
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:18:53pm |
Yesterday President Obama did some fundraising at a San Francisco dinner. Local radio station KFSO-AM organized a modest (I'm guessing a couple hundred participants) Tea Party protest in response. One positive development is they explicitly laid down some ground rules:
Wear your best patriotic outfits, bring American Flags, signs (but remember to keep it clean and stay on point with things like Health Care Reform, Taxes, etc. No references to Obama's Birth Certificate issue or comparisons to Hitler, as they are never media-friendly).
Note that the reason given for the rule is media-friendliness and not that the topics are plain nutty - none the less it's an improvement.
As far as I can tell this request was mostly respected as I only found two Obama-as-Hitler/facist sign images:
[Link: www.flickr.com...] (the no difference Hitler / Obama sign on the left)
[Link: bit.ly...] (had to use bit.ly as the repeating AAA's in the blogspot address kept getting truncated)
And only one Birther sign:
[Link: www.flickr.com...] (Kenyan village idiot sign, bottom right)
Also at the protest were the typical Obama-as-communist signs:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image again)
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Plus a whole lot of death panel signs:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
To round things out, here's an Obama-as-Judas sign:
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:19:46pm |
re: #46 KingKenrod
Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:22:44pm |
re: #51 simoom
Great stuff. Thanks for posting. The Obama/Judas thing seemed a popular theme at this protest. I watched some of the videos earlier.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:25:18pm |
re: #46 KingKenrod
Our school district has a requirement for 160 hours of "social work" between 6th and 12th grade.
I think getting children involved in the community is a great thing. 160 hours is a joke for those that are involved, and punishment for those that are not. The big issue - the student has to fill out a form and write a "what I learned" essay for each submittal. That is a turnoff to all.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:25:50pm |
re: #51 simoom
Also a lot of signs against AARP. Conservatives turning on AARP is a really bad idea...but that's not going to stop them.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:26:41pm |
re: #51 simoom
I got a kick out of this:
Wear your best patriotic outfits, bring American Flags, signs (but remember to keep it clean and stay on point with things like Health Care Reform, Taxes, etc. No references to Obama's Birth Certificate issue or comparisons to Hitler, as they are never media-friendly).
"Never media-friendly?" That's their only objection to this stuff, that it might make them look bad to the media. Not a hint of disapproval of the actual craziness itself, just a cheap attempt to lay blame on the "media."
That's exactly what's wrong with the tea party organizers.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:00pm |
re: #51 simoom
To round things out, here's an Obama-as-Judas sign:
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image)
One interesting thing about this last photo - you'll notice the two signs with FreedomCoalition down bottom. Out of curiosity I went to their site, and here's how they describe themselves:
The Freedom Coalition is an association of Americanists. We are deeply concerned about the rapid decline in personal freedom in our Nation, and are resolved to arrest said decline, beginning an incline. Our theme is "to re-implement the Constitution for the united States of America."We have observed government’s purposefully inconsistent, selective, mal-interpretive, disrespectful, blasphemous, arrogant, treasonous approach to our Constitution, which is destructive of life, liberty, and property, and have made it our solemn business to correct the problem. We direct our appeal to Heaven and to all who share our concern.
Careful research has convinced us that said process is of ancient design and of long duration. Its clear goal is World Domination. Ingenious, extremely well-organized, and Hate-driven, it transcends party labels, national boundaries, and all other man-made barriers to its ultimate victory. Totalitarianism -- the enslavement of mankind -- is its vision.
Spooky :P.
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KingKenrod Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:26pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.
Oh yeah, not a thing wrong with encouraging people to volunteer. I haven't watched the video so I don't know if they were supporting a govt effort or not.
I worry about the government sucking resources from private charities.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:55pm |
re: #58 simoom
Yep, the Freedom Coalition is a bunch of hard core Illuminati types.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:28:49pm |
All of that stuff comes straight out of the John Birch Society. I wouldn't be surprised to find lots of connections between Freedom Coalition and the Birchers.
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Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:29:41pm |
re: #51 simoom
Note that the reason given for the rule is media-friendliness and not that the topics are plain nutty - none the less it's an improvement.
Twice nothing is still nothing. Until they replace "they aren't media friendly" with "they are batshit crazy" it's not an improvement.
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Sharmuta Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:29:59pm |
re: #57 Charles
I got a kick out of this:
"Never media-friendly?" That's their only objection to this stuff, that it might make them look bad to the media. Not a hint of disapproval of the actual craziness itself, just a cheap attempt to lay blame on the "media."
That's exactly what's wrong with the tea party organizers.
That argument sounds familiar.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:18pm |
re: #61 Charles
All of that stuff comes straight out of the John Birch Society. I wouldn't be surprised to find lots of connections between Freedom Coalition and the Birchers.
Birchers are into NWO and the Illuminati hoohah?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:45pm |
Sure enough -- the Freedom Coalition links page: Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, John Birch Society, and a host of other crazies:
[Link: www.freedomcoalition.com...]
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Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:59pm |
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:32:19pm |
re: #57 Charles
Isn't part of that the art of persuasion?
You tell someone they are an idiot, and they don't respond.
You suggest a more effective approach is ... and they think you are helping.
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dugmartsch Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:32:55pm |
re: #36 Charles
Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Man i fucking hate that site.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:35:36pm |
'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death
Press TV is an Iranian news agency
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:35:37pm |
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Danny Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:41:24pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death
Ironic: "Death to the extremists."
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Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:43:04pm |
re: #70 MandyManners
That's a lot of crazy.
The JBS also has a bug up their ass about the Rosicrucian Order. I knew someone who in their younger and crazier years was in the JBS (as soon as Bush was in office and 9/11 happened she grew up and ceased with the craziness). Back then she was actually trying to infiltrate the Rosicrucians in order to "get the goods" on them and their connections to the "Elite Illuminati Families".
When I was in High School the father of a friend of mine was a Bircher, he was also the Libertarian candidate who consistently ran against the Republican Congressional incumbent for the district. I heard a lot of whacked out bullshit about "Them"® from him as well.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:45:13pm |
re: #72 Danny
I really hope that video leads to arrests. You simply can not threaten to kill people for blasphemy in a modern country.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:45:40pm |
re: #73 ArchangelMichael
The JBS also has a bug up their ass about the Rosicrucian Order. I knew someone who in their younger and crazier years was in the JBS (as soon as Bush was in office and 9/11 happened she grew up and ceased with the craziness). Back then she was actually trying to infiltrate the Rosicrucians in order to "get the goods" on them and their connections to the "Elite Illuminati Families".
When I was in High School the father of a friend of mine was a Bircher, he was also the Libertarian candidate who consistently ran against the Republican Congressional incumbent for the district. I heard a lot of whacked out bullshit about "Them"® from him as well.
Of course someone who believes in the Illuminati believes in the RO. That whole ball of craziness is intertwined.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:26pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
The big advantage to British muslim extreeemists is that you can understand most of what they say without subtitles.
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bosforus Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:32pm |
Just hit up the tip jar. I encourage all to do the same. Now it's time for my weekend!
peace
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:48pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
I really hope that video leads to arrests. You simply can not threaten to kill people for blasphemy in a modern country.
Won't those Muslims shriek that they're being persecuted?
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Bagua Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:48:57pm |
This is just the sort of thing the Home Office was trying to prevent by banning Wilders from visiting.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:50:13pm |
re: #79 Bagua
Denial is great within a family, it does not work within a country.
Once you start banning everything that offends someone, you end up with 1984.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:50:35pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.
I can't recall specifically - but it seems to me GWB's push for "faith-based initiatives" must have included some "volunteerism" efforts.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:53:46pm |
Here's video of the speeches...
San Francisco Tea Party August, 2009
Fascism! Dictators! Michelle and Obama are going to change our traditions!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:54:58pm |
re: #81 reine.de.tout
As I recall Bush really expanded the Americorps program as soon as he got into office.
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jdog29 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:58:58pm |
OT
Physicists calulate exact number of alternate universe within the multiverse. 10^10^16 is the number of existing alternate universes, but they think if they had better equipment they might be able to distinguish as many as 10^10^10^7.
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Bagua Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:59:56pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death
British muslims is far too general a term for that lot, they are from a small sub-set.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:00:58pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
As I recall Bush really expanded the Americorps program as soon as he got into office.
This article from 2002 says that ". . . House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.) blasted President Bush's plan to expand a federally funded volunteer program yesterday, vowing to block it from becoming law.
This article from Think Progress in 2007 says Bush cut funding in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:02:28pm |
re: #84 jdog29
OT
Physicists calulate exact number of alternate universe within the multiverse. 10^10^16 is the number of existing alternate universes, but they think if they had better equipment they might be able to distinguish as many as 10^10^10^7.
What? I still haven't comprehended the 11 dimensions in String theory and membrane collisions causing the Big Bang...
alternate Universes don't exist cause they can't be proved..
Don't mess with my scientific dogma dude..
*wink*
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jdog29 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:06:04pm |
re: #87 HoosierHoops
What? I still haven't comprehended the 11 dimensions in String theory and membrane collisions causing the Big Bang...
alternate Universes don't exist cause they can't be proved..
Don't mess with my scientific dogma dude..
*wink*
Yeah, I'd hate to have to spend my life learning about all those universes only to have someone come up 20 years from now and tell me they don't exist.//
I don't even know how many planets to tell my children there are. Pluto let me down and I haven't been the same since.//
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:06:19pm |
re: #86 reine.de.tout
Hmmm...I'm a little suspicious of think progress' number because all of their links are to proposals. If those proposals were amended or passed I don't know. Looks like Bush had plans to expand Americorps but looks like maybe he got derailed. Either way, it seems to be a good program to me.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:07:00pm |
re: #33 Charles
I need to do some housework, so I only had time to browse one thread. Here's what stood out to me:
Hyperventilating Posts
[Link: hotair.com...]
Marxman-Whackey is an America-killing POS that should get its sponsors thrown in jail for the unbelievable fraud they are trying to perpetrate on our nation. This is sheer insanity, regardless of how unfair the distribution among states is.America seems unable to recognize obvious attacks on our very existence.
[Link: hotair.com...]
STOP CONGRESSIONAL EMISSIONS FIRST!!!* Polluted stimulus bill kills economy
* Polluted health care bill kills us
” Polluted energy bill kills civilization
Impeachment / NWO
[Link: hotair.com...]
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! Before he signs the treaty in Copenhagen ceding our sovereignty to a one world government/order. Has anyone else seen or heard more about this?
Civil War
[Link: hotair.com...]
One of those politically incorrect theories no longer taught in public schools was that our Civil War was brought about in part by Southern states dislike of paying taxes for Norther states’ industrial growth.
[Link: hotair.com...]
This one will be the War of Washington Aggression.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Mark my words on this – ain’t gonna happen. I’ll say this right now I will never obey even the most common sense law that is dictated by a foriegn power to me. Any man who comes to my house to force me to obey a foriegn power will get a face load of buckshot. Fair warning.The constitution makes the United States Soveriegn. If they want to make a one world government – they have to repeal the constitution.
They can have some fun with that. They’ll lose half the states in the union if they try it.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:15:13pm |
re: #65 Charles
Sure enough -- the Freedom Coalition links page: Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, John Birch Society, and a host of other crazies:
[Link: www.freedomcoalition.com...]
The book shown (for sale) on the bottom of the right sidebar is written by a major Bircher, G. Edward Griffin, and it is antisemitic. Ron Paul recommends it.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:19:23pm |
re: #88 jdog29
Yeah, I'd hate to have to spend my life learning about all those universes only to have someone come up 20 years from now and tell me they don't exist.//
I don't even know how many planets to tell my children there are. Pluto let me down and I haven't been the same since.//
I wish it wasn't Friday night cause Ludwig would be here to join us. But there is a delicious Conspiracy going on right now in Physics...It's better than the shooter on the grassy knoll...It concerns the speed of light..Just last year scientist have been successful in actually slowing down the speed of light through a medium...It has been theorized and wickedly contented against. ( huge war) at the big bang the speed of light through the density of expansion traveled at a different speed than today...It throws everything we know about expansion and the speed of light out the window.
And it kind of makes sense..Cause every law says that after a explosion things slow down not speed up as our observations are showing...
The universe is expanding faster.. But this Theory says we are measuring light at a different speed than it was at that period...
Here here is what will get a crazed physicist breaking down your door with a shotgun..
Light is slowing down..ever so slightly and it has from the beginning of time..
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Dar ul Harb Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:25:53pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
Wow. So, to paraphrase Heisenberg, not only does God play dice, sometimes He changes the speed of light just to mess with ya, Albert.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:26:21pm |
re: #84 jdog29
Those physics speculations are beyond the ream of practicality if you ask me, and in addition "universe" means everything & "alternate universe" or "multiverse" are absurd terms.
Plus, pi is an ugly number.
Just my opinion for a Friday afternoon.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:26:47pm |
re: #93 Sharmuta
Heavy.
LOL
It makes sense.. Everybody knows that light can't escape the gravity of a black hole..just can't..
imagine the whole universe's mass the size of a small point suddenly expanding..The speed of Light will be seriously effected during the big bang...
/ The Dodgers won so I turned to science in my sorrow..I'll be ok soon..Really Sharm...*wink*
| 97 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:27:48pm |
I've been thinking about the war of words and deeds between FOX News and the President. We know that FOX is no friend of the President, but this is not the first time that Barack Obama has declared war on media he feels is unfriendly. It was just under a year ago that he booted some newspapers that he considered unfriendly off his campaign plane and replaced them with two Chicago newspapers that were presumably more friendly to Candidate Obama.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I am disappointed that as President, Mr. Obama has chosen the undignified stance that is no different than that of Candidate Obama. I think it's whiny and beneath him. I'm sure some will be angry at me for feeling this way, but I think the President should take a lesson from his predecessor, who suffered much worse treatment from a VERY hostile media, but handled it with dignity worthy of his office.
| 98 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:29:29pm |
Nine hate mails so far today, including two from a psycho who likes to use proxy IPs to get around IP blocks. 25 hate mails in the last three days.
All the hate mails come through the contact form, because they think they can be anonymous that way.
Even at the height of LGF's anti-radical left and anti-radical Islam posts, I never got close to this much hate mail. And not even the worst leftist/Islamist hate mail compared to the sheer ugliness and hatred I'm getting from right wingers.
| 100 |
Taqyia2Me Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:27pm |
re: #36 Charles
Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Agreed. Keep the faith, Charles.
| 101 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:36pm |
re: #96 HoosierHoops
imagine the whole universe's mass the size of a small point suddenly expanding..The speed of Light will be seriously effected during the big bang...
These are logical constructs & subject to revision as more info comes in.
Some of the deductions seem pretty far fetched to me at the moment.
| 102 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:53pm |
re: #97 _RememberTonyC
FLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.
| 103 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:31:53pm |
ooops...
re: #97 _RememberTonyC
FLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.
| 104 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:31:56pm |
re: #98 Charles
Nine hate mails so far today, including two from a psycho who likes to use proxy IPs to get around IP blocks. 25 hate mails in the last three days.
All the hate mails come through the contact form, because they think they can be anonymous that way.
Even at the height of LGF's anti-radical left and anti-radical Islam posts, I never got close to this much hate mail. And not even the worst leftist/Islamist hate mail compared to the sheer ugliness and hatred I'm getting from right wingers.
Sometimes you can measure a person's worthiness by looking at their "enemies." You will be around when they have self destructed.
| 105 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:32:08pm |
re: #98 Charles
Ill bodings for the country, Charles.
Good to shine light (at whatever speed it is going) on them.
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jdog29 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:32:59pm |
Yeah, I saw something about that involving dark energy. The scientist used an apple he threw up into the air and demonstrated as the apple came to a halt at the top of the arc it then began accelerating again going back down.
The great divide was between those who thought the universe(s) were on the small area where the apple would be accelerating up out of the hand, (big bang) and those who thought the universe(s) would definitely be on the downward acceleration AND what would be the terminal velocity, if you will, in space.
I think terminal velocity would, of necessity be just shy of the speed of light. However, if the speed of light is slowing down, as is theorized, then how much faster would the speed of light have been just a few billion years ago and what would that do to calculations concerning the age of the universe(s)?
| 107 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:33:49pm |
For those few who are still in denial about the racial aspect to the Tea Parties...
Obama NOLA Townhall Outside Pt. 14
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:34:03pm |
re: #105 Ojoe
Ill bodings for the country, Charles.
Good to shine light (at whatever speed it is going) on them.
I would love to get an answer from these people to just one question:
How do you think your utterly deranged anger at Charles Johnson and LGF going to STOP THE GOP TRAINWRECK?
| 109 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:35:15pm |
re: #94 Dar ul Harb
Wow. So, to paraphrase Heisenberg, not only does God play dice, sometimes He changes the speed of light just to mess with ya, Albert.
I never bought into Heisenberg.. Just because you can not observe the state of an atom...Currently..Doesn't make it so..We don't have the tools to observe Atomic activity right now..It's not by chance static activity of the atom in unknown...We just don't understand it...It's certainly not by trillions of possible states available just because we decide to observe it at a given moment..
Otherwise I could morph into Shaq at any given moment...Depending on state..
I am a heretic...
| 110 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:08pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
ooops...
re: #97 _RememberTonyCFLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.
The media picked many fights with Bush over his 8 years in office. Erin Burnett of CNBC called him a "monkey" on the air. Bush may have had issues with NBC, but he didn't go through this repeated public whining, and certainly he didn't do it after just 9 months in office. Dubya's skin was far thicker than "44's" appears to be.
| 111 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:15pm |
re: #109 HoosierHoops
I think my tomcat turns into Finvarra when I am not looking.
| 112 |
Dar ul Harb Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:37pm |
re: #98 Charles
Well I suspect part of the difference in vitriol is that the lefties never felt a sense of betrayal from "losing you from their side."
Especially at the same time they've "lost the country."
| 113 |
wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:37:37pm |
re: #108 reine.de.tout
I would love to get an answer from these people to just one question:
How do you think your utterly deranged anger at Charles Johnson and LGF going to STOP THE GOP TRAINWRECK?
Sadly, they think they are stopping the trainwreck by getting rid of the RINOs.
| 115 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:38:56pm |
re: #113 wrenchwench
Sadly, they think they are stopping the trainwreck by getting rid of the RINOs.
Sadly, you are absolutely correct, imo
| 116 |
wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:39:57pm |
Daily Show makes fun of GOP.com, compares Steele to "Clippy."
| 117 |
abbyadams Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:41:24pm |
re: #116 wrenchwench
ENTHUSIASTIC upding. That was some classic Jon Stewart.
| 118 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:41:44pm |
re: #110 _RememberTonyC
Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.
| 120 |
Political Atheist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:42:47pm |
re: #7 reine.de.tout
The Onion did the Grilling!
| 121 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:44:45pm |
| 122 |
Dar ul Harb Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:46:03pm |
re: #116 wrenchwench
Daily Show makes fun of GOP.com, compares Steele to "Clippy."
"It looks like you're searching for a political party that's having trouble finding relevance."
| 124 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:47:34pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.
altho that may be true, nobody knows...the elections next year will tell the tale...until then it's mere speculation
| 125 |
Political Atheist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:49:29pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Its as if the proverbial bull owned the China shop.
| 126 |
Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:50:44pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Not actually reading the comments to your link. But the link itself suggests that Gillepsie was "supportive" of freezing out NBC. Did Bush actually do so?
Anita Dunn actually said they are avoiding Fox because of the Sunday show fact check.
Is there a difference?
| 127 |
jdog29 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:52:00pm |
gotta run lizards, wish me luck trying to stand on my head and learn to gargle marbles. ///
| 128 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:52:14pm |
re: #124 albusteve
Agreed. Just guessing. Last I checked the predictions are that 2010 will make small gains for Republicans. Probably not much.
| 129 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:53:26pm |
re: #126 Univac
Is there a difference?
No, there were plenty of journalists and news agencies that Bush avoid/froze out/dissed/ignored.
| 130 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:54:09pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
No, there were plenty of journalists and news agencies that Bush avoid/froze out/dissed/ignored.
Which ones?
| 131 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:54:38pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.
All fair points. But while that may be Obama's strategy, it doesn't mean it is a good strategy. In fact, I think it's a poor strategy. Number one: it makes the POTUS look very whiny and undignified, which our adversaries are certainly taking note of. Number two: it will motivate FOX to dig even deeper into some of the President's appointments. And FOX may hit paydirt ... legitimate paydirt. FOX has many good reporters. They are far more than beck and Hannity. O'Reilly, for all his bombast and stupidity on SOME issues, is capable of excellent reporting on other subjects. He is no kook. While I think O'Reilly's embrace of beck isn't smart, O'Reilly is not compromised in the ways that beck is and he does have credibility in many circles. Obama is making a big mistake with this strategy, and when FOX does get something of value against one of the POTUS's people, they can expect no mercy. If Obama is smart, he will move quickly to end this pissing war and seize the high ground. As someone more clever than I once said "don't get into a war of words with someone who buys ink by the barrel."
| 132 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:55:20pm |
re: #130 MandyManners
NBC. Link upthread.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:56:10pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Agreed. Just guessing. Last I checked the predictions are that 2010 will make small gains for Republicans. Probably not much.
I'm not to worried yet about a Bircher in the WH...but I just can't get a pulse for the influence of the far right at this point...all hysteria aside it's just hard to tell at this point...I wonder tho, if it can happen, or something similar...a socon sweep...egads!
| 134 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:56:36pm |
| 135 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:57:06pm |
re: #64 MandyManners
Birchers are into NWO and the Illuminati hoohah?
Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!
| 136 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:57:15pm |
re: #131 _RememberTonyC
. Number one: it makes the POTUS look very whiny and undignified,
Only to Fox viewers and people who hate him. Most regular people don't care.
| 137 |
Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:58:53pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
The NBC link in #103, says Gillepsie was "supportive" of a freeze.
Not allowing questions in the briefing room is one thing. Stating that you are not talking to Fox is an entirely different affair.
| 138 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:59:04pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
Which others?
I don't have a comprehensive list. My point is that it's nothing unusual for an administration to be unfriendly with certain reporters or newspapers. It's pointless to try to twist the very normal thing into a giant outrage.
| 139 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:59:42pm |
re: #135 Guanxi88
Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!
I can't remember how I first read about that nonsense. IIRC, it was before 9-11-01.
| 140 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:34pm |
re: #139 MandyManners
I can't remember how I first read about that nonsense. IIRC, it was before 9-11-01.
Me, too. I read my first ever issue of New American in 1991; I worked in the university library, and it was always a hoot when it came in. We never subscribed, but it came all the same.
| 141 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:40pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
I don't have a comprehensive list. My point is that it's nothing unusual for an administration to be unfriendly with certain reporters or newspapers. It's pointless to try to twist the very normal thing into a giant outrage.
Oh. I thought you knew of more than one.
| 142 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:53pm |
re: #137 Univac
You are free to be outraged by whatever you want but the President is not obliged to go on Fox. It's not outrageous. Fox news is a joke and it's not a real news outlet anymore.
| 143 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:01:45pm |
re: #136 Killgore Trout
Only to Fox viewers and people who hate him. Most regular people don't care.
I'm not worried so much about regular folks. But the likes of putin, chavez, and the mullahs are taking his measure and this behavior by the President is helping them size him up. And they have to like what they're seeing.
| 144 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:01:55pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
Me, too. I read my first ever issue of New American in 1991; I worked in the university library, and it was always a hoot when it came in. We never subscribed, but it came all the same.
They had to give it away!
| 145 |
Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:03:32pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Hey! Not outraged, but do recognize the two situations are different.
CNN: Obama is the best.
FOX: Obama usually sucks.
I'm thinking neither is true, but one is more realistic.
| 146 |
wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:03:54pm |
re: #144 MandyManners
They had to give it away!
On toast.
[looking to replace that other phrase that starts with "in."]
| 147 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:05:03pm |
re: #135 Guanxi88
Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!
If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.
/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.
| 148 |
dugmartsch Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:05:05pm |
re: #95 Ojoe
Those physics speculations are beyond the ream of practicality if you ask me, and in addition "universe" means everything & "alternate universe" or "multiverse" are absurd terms.
Plus, pi is an ugly number.
Just my opinion for a Friday afternoon.
agreed one million percent.
| 149 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:06:23pm |
re: #146 wrenchwench
On toast.
[looking to replace that other phrase that starts with "in."]
Which is?
| 150 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:06:41pm |
re: #147 CyanSnowHawk
If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.
/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.
angry?...outraged?...hahaha!
| 151 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:07:29pm |
re: #148 dugmartsch
Bucky Fuller was led to his discovery of geodesic domes from the starting point that he did not like the number Pi & thought that nature did not really have that number in it.
Back later.
| 152 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:09:35pm |
Back to watching Baseball Lizards...Yankees vs. Angels
Be well
What do they call a $1250.00 seat at Yankee Stadium?
Half price..
/Rimshot!
| 153 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:10:59pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
You are free to be outraged by whatever you want but the President is not obliged to go on Fox. It's not outrageous. Fox news is a joke and it's not a real news outlet anymore.
FOX is only the latest target for the President. This is less about FOX than it is about Obama's thin skin and inability to handle not being loved by everyone. In my first post in this thread, I showed evidence that this type of thin skinned behavior has been going on since Obama was still a candidate. Here's the link again ...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
THAT is the issue, FOX is just the latest victim of his whining.
| 154 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:11:48pm |
re: #147 CyanSnowHawk
If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.
/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.
Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.
| 155 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:11:56pm |
Obama addresses the Fox News audience...
President Obama to critics: Grab a mop — let's get to work!
| 156 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:09pm |
re: #152 HoosierHoops
Back to watching Baseball Lizards...Yankees vs. Angels
Be well
What do they call a $1250.00 seat at Yankee Stadium?
Half price..
/Rimshot!
Hey Hoosier ... do you want the Dodgers to beat the Phils?
| 157 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:41pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
See #153
Grab a mop!
| 158 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:47pm |
re: #154 Guanxi88
Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.
please, that's just over the top
| 159 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:17pm |
re: #158 albusteve
please, that's just over the top
I'm exaggerating, for comedic effect. Liked him the best of the Beatles.
| 160 |
Neutral President Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:38pm |
| 161 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:57pm |
re: #154 Guanxi88
Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.
For crying out loud, don't harsh on my irrational dislikes.
/Can't really call it a hatred
| 163 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:15:06pm |
re: #159 Guanxi88
I'm exaggerating, for comedic effect. Liked him the best of the Beatles.
okay, I put my club down
| 164 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:15:16pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
FOX is only the latest target for the President. This is less about FOX than it is about Obama's thin skin and inability to handle not being loved by everyone. In my first post in this thread, I showed evidence that this type of thin skinned behavior has been going on since Obama was still a candidate. Here's the link again ...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
THAT is the issue, FOX is just the latest victim of his whining.
Remember the threats to arrest critics of BHO in Missouri during the campaign?
| 165 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:16:46pm |
OT: It seems the Tories in the UK are less than thrilled with Glenn Beck, and are wondering if the Right over here has all gone crazy. The article has some very funny viewpoints that are worth reading...
Watching Beck, who sometimes resembles a snake-oil salesman’s dim-witted assistant accidentally promoted to the top job, makes a foreigner wonder just what’s happening to American conservatism. I confess that I find it impossible to determine whether Beck’s show is serious or, as seems more probable, an elaborate practical joke played on his unwitting audience. I don’t want to seem forward or rude, but one can’t help but ask: Have you people lost your minds?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
| 166 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:17:17pm |
Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama
A St. Louis television station reports — their words — "The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign."
Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining "The Barack Obama Truth Squad."
They mention Jennifer Joyce, St. Louis Circuit Attorney and Bob McCullough, prosecutor for St. Louis County in Missouri.
SNIP
| 168 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:18:13pm |
| 169 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:18:54pm |
re: #166 MandyManners
Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama
A St. Louis television station reports — their words — "The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign."
Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining "The Barack Obama Truth Squad."
They mention Jennifer Joyce, St. Louis Circuit Attorney and Bob McCullough, prosecutor for St. Louis County in Missouri.
SNIP
then there is Mark Lloyd
| 170 |
Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:07pm |
re: #155 Killgore Trout
This clip pretty much says, if you aren't helping/with me, get lost!
If that is just rhetoric, that is fine. If he is serious, that is a problem.
What do you think he is doing?
| 171 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:18pm |
| 172 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:51pm |
Yesterday we reported the following:
St. Louis and Missouri law enforcement are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign.
St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch are threatening to bring libel charges against those who speak out falsely against Barack Obama.
Today, we report the following concerning a statement made by the great Governor of Missouri, Matt Blunt:
Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.
SNIP
| 173 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:20:01pm |
re: #156 _RememberTonyC
Hey Hoosier ... do you want the Dodgers to beat the Phils?
Are you kidding? I was raised in Northern California..There is a law that says you must hate The Lakers and Dodgers...I don't write the laws..
And the Yankees? Ha! My favorite AL team is the Red Sox so I have to hate the Yankees..But they are playing the Angels..A SoCal Team...
I am Conflicted...Somebody get the Hoopster a Beer! Stat!
| 175 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:19pm |
| 176 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:37pm |
re: #172 MandyManners
That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.
| 177 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:57pm |
re: #164 MandyManners
Remember the threats to arrest critics of BHO in Missouri during the campaign?
I really am trying to speak truth about Obama without being a jerk. His incredible need to be loved, and his anger when he is not, shows a very poor aspect of his character. And it is something that can definitely be exploited and manipulated by foes and people who he thinks are his friends but are not. But it is hard to articulate this to those who see any criticism of Obama as "hatred."
| 178 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:18pm |
re: #170 Univac
This clip pretty much says, if you aren't helping/with me, get lost!
If that is just rhetoric, that is fine. If he is serious, that is a problem.
What do you think he is doing?
I think he had a great line (written for him) and used it but I do think he's fairly serious about it. He is the president and there's a lot of stuff to do. There's no need to waste his time dealing with people who aren't going to help anyways. We all deal with this in daily life. There are some people that just aren't worth trying to deal with. The effort vs return ratio doesn't make it worthwhile.
| 179 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:48pm |
re: #176 Charles
That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.
He didn't direct or coordinate any of it, but it happened all the same.
| 180 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:50pm |
"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears," Obama's campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. "He's currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers."
Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the National Review that looked at Obama's ties to Ayers, a former 1960s radical who later emerged as a school reform advocate in Chicago.
The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
SNIP
On Wednesday evening, Obama's campaign urged supporters to call the radio station to complain.
"Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse," the note said.
"It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves," the note continued. "At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz's lies."
Zack Christenson, executive producer of "Extension 720 with Milt Rosenburg," said the response was strong.
"I would say this is the biggest response we've ever got from a campaign or a candidate," he said. "This is really unprecedented with the show, the way that people are flooding the calls and our email boxes."
Christenson said the Obama campaign was asked to have someone appear on the show and declined the request.
SNIP
| 181 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:23:18pm |
re: #179 Guanxi88
He didn't direct or coordinate any of it, but it happened all the same.
So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.
| 182 |
MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:24:06pm |
re: #169 albusteve
then there is Mark Lloyd
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Posted on August 28, 2009 by mandymanners
Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer
[Link: www.fcc.gov...]
[Link: www.freepress.net...]
[Link: www.lunch.com...]
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
Praise for Chavez
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:24:41pm |
re: #176 Charles
That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.
I did not know that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:00pm |
re: #172 MandyManners
There's been a lot of BS floating around since the election...
Attacking Obama's Missouri ‘Truth Squad’
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:30pm |
re: #181 Charles
So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.
There's nothing to get me on - he doesn't have much to do with these freelancers one way or the other. It's odd that support for the man should spill over into actions like these, but there it is. He's not on the hook for it, no one says he is or should be.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:58pm |
re: #171 _RememberTonyC
did you know I am a registered Democrat?
Good, then you've already been issued a socialist mop. Get to work.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:26:19pm |
I wrote more than one post at LGF calling on George W. Bush to stand up and confront his critics. I still think it was a big mistake for him to let so many of the worst smears go unanswered. Barack Obama appears to have learned that political lesson.
It's no longer a good idea to just try to ignore this stuff, in the Internet age when smears and falsehoods can propagate across the world at the speed of light. Bush made a bad decision to ignore the smears and hope they'd just go away, just like I was mistaken when I used to believe that I could allow total free speech in the comments at LGF and just count on the community to police itself. It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:26:26pm |
re: #184 Killgore Trout
There's been a lot of BS floating around since the election...
Attacking Obama's Missouri ‘Truth Squad’
This was from before the election.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:27:25pm |
re: #169 albusteve
then there is Mark Lloyd
Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer
[Link: www.fcc.gov...]
[Link: www.freepress.net...]
[Link: www.lunch.com...]
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
Praise for Chavez
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:28:44pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:29:09pm |
re: #187 Charles
I wrote more than one post at LGF calling on George W. Bush to stand up and confront his critics. I still think it was a big mistake for him to let so many of the worst smears go unanswered. Barack Obama appears to have learned that political lesson.
It's no longer a good idea to just try to ignore this stuff, in the Internet age when smears and falsehoods can propagate across the world at the speed of light. Bush made a bad decision to ignore the smears and hope they'd just go away, just like I was mistaken when I used to believe that I could allow total free speech in the comments at LGF and just count on the community to police itself. It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
I was just thinking that first part. Hadn't tied it to that second part yet, but it's true.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:30:26pm |
Does anyone know what happened to this story?
[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:31:09pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
I think he had a great line (written for him) and used it but I do think he's fairly serious about it. He is the president and there's a lot of stuff to do. There's no need to waste his time dealing with people who aren't going to help anyways. We all deal with this in daily life. There are some people that just aren't worth trying to deal with. The effort vs return ratio doesn't make it worthwhile.
I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.
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dugmartsch Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:05pm |
re: #151 Ojoe
Bucky Fuller was led to his discovery of geodesic domes from the starting point that he did not like the number Pi & thought that nature did not really have that number in it.
Back later.
I figured that was a bucky fuller reference but i didnt want to jump the gun. Some people think of him as the socialists nuttier cousin. I've always thought of myself as a synergeticist. I never knew that so many trashy self help/corporate help books were going to be written destroying the word synergy when i was first getting into him, though.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:14pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
Good, then you've already been issued a socialist mop. Get to work.
call my shop steward, pal ...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:42pm |
re: #194 Univac
I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.
I also recall that Bush was said to have an OVERWHELMING mandate. It's irrelevent. No matter how many folks voted for you, you have to take us all in the deal.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:54pm |
re: #173 HoosierHoops
Are you kidding? I was raised in Northern California..There is a law that says you must hate The Lakers and Dodgers...I don't write the laws..
And the Yankees? Ha! My favorite AL team is the Red Sox so I have to hate the Yankees..But they are playing the Angels..A SoCal Team...
I am Conflicted...Somebody get the Hoopster a Beer! Stat!
anyone but NY and philly ... sadly that leaves LA and LA ... a Hoosier nightmare
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:33:02pm |
re: #194 Univac
I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.
The electoral vote for Obama/Biden was a complete landslide over McCain/Palin:
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Obama/Biden 365
McCain/Palin 173
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:08pm |
re: #190 MandyManners
Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer
[Link: www.fcc.gov...]
[Link: www.freepress.net...]
[Link: www.lunch.com...]
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
Praise for Chavez
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications
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Four More Tears Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:09pm |
Some Democrats, Minority Groups Question Net Neutrality
I've been laughing at Republican politicians a lot, lately. My fellow Democrats are the ones who've actually been making me angry.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:55pm |
re: #175 albusteve
worse yet, a Patriots fan
a registered democrat, but a "Ronald Reagan" version. I vote mostly Dem locally and mostly Repub in the presidential elections. I balance my action ...
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:56pm |
re: #33 Charles
Some more ~
From a Greenroom Post:
[Link: hotair.com...]
I could go on, literally for days. The point, however, is that the Progressive Movement has found their St. Michael, and they are moving forward with their agenda at warp speed. Knowing their agenda is one part of our battle, and one cannot know their agenda without knowing the history of the Progressives. In a nutshell:Individualism – OUT
Capitalism – OUT
Private Property – OUT
Inalienable Rights – OUT
Freedom of Thought – OUT
Constitutional Limits on Government – That has been gone.Today’s Progressive movement has been joined by another movement, that is related, but is more of a new sprout in the same pot. The Communitarian Movement. The Communitarians are after nothing less than a One World Order, and through a program called Agenda 21, which has spread to 177 countries, is making that happen.
And more comments:
[Link: hotair.com...]
The Left is already fully committed to its final solution for the “problem of dissent”, i.e., the extermination of conservatism. They will not stop unless we stop them. We need to fight, remorselessly.
//Godwin
[Link: hotair.com...]
This Nobel was nothing but an affirmative action joke, just like The Precedent, himself, and no one with any sense of decency would vote for him to go collect it – unless it was with a one-way ticket and he was disallowed from ever returning. Let him go to Indonesia, where his third world style of governing is more in line with their sensibilities.
[Link: hotair.com...]
TR waited until he was out of office to accept the prize.I’m all for Osama Obama doing the same. He can take the money back to Kenya with him and help his brother and all the other suckers over there who believed in him.
Of course if he’s still in office by, say, the end of this year, the monetary value of the prize (at least in dollars) will be nil.
[Link: hotair.com...]
If it’s one thing American’s don’t like – it’s someone getting something that they didn’t work to earn. Well here it is – Ogabe!
//recycling Limbaugh's "Barack Ogabe" Slur
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:35:37pm |
re: #200 albusteve
no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications
Links?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:48pm |
re: #190 MandyManners
Lloyd on Chavez:
"In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution - a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela.
"The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled - worked, frankly, with folks here in the U.S. government - worked to oust him. But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.
"And we've had complaints about this ever since."
Nice "Chief Diversity Officer" we have there at the FCC.
Hi Mandy!
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:52pm |
re: #203 simoom
You seem to have found your calling. We salute you. I can't read that stuff in bulk without hyperventilating.
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abbyadams Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:17pm |
re: #194 Univac
I think Cheney must have missed that memo:
'President Bush ran forthrightly on a clear agenda for this nation's future, and the nation responded by giving him a mandate,
And the vote was, as Charles pointed out, much different in 2008 than in 2004.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:46pm |
Prodigy - Their Law (live)
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:48pm |
re: #200 albusteve
no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications
He started at the Fed in New York in 2003.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:38:20pm |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:38:23pm |
re: #181 Charles
So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.
The Chicago Way ...
The "Boss" never leaves fingerprints.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:49pm |
re: #211 MandyManners
'Sup?
Wife & kids took my mom to Colonial Williamsburg for the weekend. Peace & quiet for 3 days! Woo Hoo!!
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:51pm |
re: #198 _RememberTonyC
anyone but NY and philly ... sadly that leaves LA and LA ... a Hoosier nightmare
OMG!
I can't believe it may happen this year.. The batter of LA
/The good thing might be all the camera shots of Stars in the Stands...
Jack Nickelson in his sunglasses.. Linsay Lohan passing out and falling into the field during the 6th inning...Kobe making out with the beer girl...
I mean..There may be an upside to a LA world Series
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:56pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:40:29pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:40:43pm |
re: #214 NJDhockeyfan
Wife & kids took my mom to Colonial Williamsburg for the weekend. Peace & quiet for 3 days! Woo Hoo!!
Enjoy!
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:41:12pm |
re: #205 NJDhockeyfan
Lloyd on Chavez:
"In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution - a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela.
"The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled - worked, frankly, with folks here in the U.S. government - worked to oust him. But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.
"And we've had complaints about this ever since."
Nice "Chief Diversity Officer" we have there at the FCC.
Hi Mandy!
And who is Samantha Power, and who is her husband?
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:41:49pm |
re: #215 HoosierHoops
OMG!
I can't believe it may happen this year.. The batter of LA
/The good thing might be all the camera shots of Stars in the Stands...
Jack Nickelson in his sunglasses.. Linsay Lohan passing out and falling into the field during the 6th inning...Kobe making out with the beer girl...
I mean..There may be an upside to a LA world Series
Maybe new Laker Ron Artest can start a fight on the field at Dodger Stadium ... just trash the place :)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:42:57pm |
re: #203 simoom
I like the NWO comment.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:43:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:14pm |
This is just strange...
the Power of (Gordon) Ramsey
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:25pm |
OT, but hilarious. For all my feminist lizards out there--this includes the boy lizards too: Tips For Preventing Sexual Assault.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:32pm |
The Roches - Hammond Song
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:45:41pm |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:45:46pm |
What is everyone's opinion of Mark Levin? IMHO he has a unique "bombastic but intelligent" style that makes for great radio. He has not spewed the kind of insanity like the becks and buchanans of the world. He can't stand Obama, but his level of intelligence is WAY up there for a talk radio host.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:49:34pm |
re: #227 _RememberTonyC
What is everyone's opinion of Mark Levin? IMHO he has a unique "bombastic but intelligent" style that makes for great radio. He has not spewed the kind of insanity like the becks and buchanans of the world. He can't stand Obama, but his level of intelligence is WAY up there for a talk radio host.
I love listening to Mark. I like the way he takes complex issues and puts them into context so they are easy to understand so even I know whats going on. I don't always agree with him but he is entertaining.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:52:19pm |
re: #194 Univac
I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.
2000 - Bush 47.8%, Gore 48.3% (Bush won by electoral college votes, not the popular vote)
2004 Bush 50.7%, Kerry 47.2%
2008 - Obama 52.8%, McCain 45.6%
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:54:43pm |
re: #222 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks!
Didja see this one?
In the book, Lloyd also said that public broadcasting should be funded through new license fees charged to the nation’s private radio and television broadcasters, and that new regulatory fees should be used to fund eight new regional FCC offices.
SNIP
“Neither Progressive era reforms nor new communications technologies have been able to correct the problems resulting from government abdication of a responsibility to advance the equal capability of citizen discourse,” Lloyd added.
“Corporate liberty has overwhelmed citizen equality,” he wrote.
Government, Lloyd said in his book, is the “only” institution that can manage the communications of the public, arguing that Washington must “ensure” that everyone has an equal ability to communicate.
SNIP
Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:54:51pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:46pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:50pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
In the book, Lloyd also said that public broadcasting should be funded through new license fees charged to the nation’s private radio and television broadcasters, and that new regulatory fees should be used to fund eight new regional FCC offices.
SNIP
“Neither Progressive era reforms nor new communications technologies have been able to correct the problems resulting from government abdication of a responsibility to advance the equal capability of citizen discourse,” Lloyd added.
“Corporate liberty has overwhelmed citizen equality,” he wrote.
Government, Lloyd said in his book, is the “only” institution that can manage the communications of the public, arguing that Washington must “ensure” that everyone has an equal ability to communicate.SNIP
Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.
Just don't call him a radical, and don't dare try to tie what he's doing with the one who appointed him.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:54pm |
re: #219 Guanxi88
And who is Samantha Power, and who is her husband?
It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:57pm |
re: #216 MandyManners
Agenda 21.
[Link: www.un.org...]
Thanks for the link.
Before putting up my previous post I did a quick google search for: "agenda 21" "conspiracy theory". All I got was a long string of NWO, Illuminati, Bircher, Truther, apocalyptic nonsense and gave up reading after half-a-dozen links. I then tried wikipedia and read a brief article on the program.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:27pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:29pm |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.
Shhh! Ixnay on the adicalismray.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:35pm |
re: #234 Guanxi88
Did you get my contact about your pipes?
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:03pm |
re: #220 _RememberTonyC
Maybe new Laker Ron Artest can start a fight on the field at Dodger Stadium ... just trash the place :)
I don't like Ron.. NY street thug..I'll give him props..
That man can play serious defense..He is relentless..He is a stud off the ball..
In person..I have seen few that can match his intensity on the court..
Celtics need to improve defense to beat them this year.. If KG is healthy we have a chance..
/You heard the story of Artist walking into the shower naked to talk to Kobe about winning a world championship right?
This guy ain't right...We have no idea of the intensity these guys operate at..
This isn't play school...They play to win..
/Our only hope is if that they run out of H1N1 vaccines for the Lakers during the playoffs.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:33pm |
re: #234 Guanxi88
Just don't call him a radical, and don't dare try to tie what he's doing with the one who appointed him.
No wonder he likes Chavez. Eight new FCC offices?!
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:58pm |
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:59:21pm |
re: #229 reine.de.tout
You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)
From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:59:31pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.
He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:00:11pm |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.
Look for the buzzwords of local control and diversity.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:00:52pm |
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:03:00pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
No wonder he likes Chavez. Eight new FCC offices?!
Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...
I can dream right?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:03:50pm |
re: #244 Univac
You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?
What I found was the actual election results, not any sort of polling. Or, I don't understand your question.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:04:30pm |
re: #249 McSpiff
Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...
I can dream right?
Sort of like breaking up Ma Bell.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:31pm |
re: #241 HoosierHoops
I don't like Ron.. NY street thug..I'll give him props..
That man can play serious defense..He is relentless..He is a stud off the ball..
In person..I have seen few that can match his intensity on the court..
Celtics need to improve defense to beat them this year.. If KG is healthy we have a chance..
/You heard the story of Artist walking into the shower naked to talk to Kobe about winning a world championship right?
This guy ain't right...We have no idea of the intensity these guys operate at..
This isn't play school...They play to win..
/Our only hope is if that they run out of H1N1 vaccines for the Lakers during the playoffs.
Artest is mentally ill ... I am totally serious. You'll not see this on TV, but he is bipolar and takes medication. When they had the brawl a few years ago in Detroit, Crazy Ron was off his meds because he said they made him sluggish. He has been monitored more closely in the recent past, and while he is still super intense, he is taking his medication. Truly a scary dude. Boston and LA will meet in the Finals. KG and perkins looked great the other night when I saw them in hartford. 'Sheed is a great "get' for them. Celts will pace themselves in the regular season and win 55-57 games, which should get them #2 in the east.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:47pm |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.
BO got elected POTUS, the most unlikely political coup in my lifetime...after that I believe just about anything can happen...it's funny that the very people who predicted the Town Hall screamers would inspire violence and civil strife, deny that the Fairness Doctrine could ever come to pass...
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:58pm |
re: #251 NJDhockeyfan
Sort of like breaking up Ma Bell.
My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:06:09pm |
re: #249 McSpiff
Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...
I can dream right?
You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:12pm |
re: #250 reine.de.tout
These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.
I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:13pm |
re: #255 MandyManners
You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?
Fuck no
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:31pm |
re: #249 McSpiff
Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...
I can dream right?
When a thing is handled by the FEDERAL dept of or commission of or whatever, it generally means less local control.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:09:13pm |
re: #254 McSpiff
My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)
Depends how you look at it. When Ma Bell was broken up, a lot of new phone companies wew created and we had competition. I don't know if breaking up the FCC into pieces is a good idea though. It would grow the government even more.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:09:29pm |
re: #256 Univac
These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.
There is no way that Obama has a mandate.
A date with Michelle maybe, but not a mandate.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:10pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:11pm |
re: #256 Univac
mandate or no, he has the white house and majorities in both houses of congress. If only republicans would just get out of his way and stop obstructing him, I'm sure there's no limit to the great good things he could bring to pass.
Like Tinkerbell, though, everyone has to believe in what he's proposing, or it's unfair.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:52pm |
more government control of the media is bad Bad BAD. A slippery slope we should all be terrified of.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:57pm |
re: #254 McSpiff
My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)
This is not the same. Ma Bell was a private company. The FCC is not.
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:37pm |
re: #255 MandyManners
You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?
I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.
tl;dr:
I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:38pm |
re: #256 Univac
These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.
he certainly does and of his own making...hope and change, transparency, post racial, a necessary war, unclenching the ME...etc, it all adds up...he won by 7 points, no small thing...if there ever was a mandate, he talked himself into his own very fantasy world
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:42pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:51pm |
re: #248 Killgore Trout
Bachmann and the Turnip concoct new ACORN-Community Reinvestment Act conspiracy theory (video)
Turnip? I thought he was the Silver Gopher.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:12:40pm |
re: #262 Guanxi88
The whole concept of "not mandate" suggests there are a "lot" of people who don't think what Obama is trying to do is all good!
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:12:46pm |
re: #265 McSpiff
I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.
tl;dr:
I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.
The states already have regulators of common carriers.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:13:06pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:13:55pm |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:21pm |
re: #271 albusteve
HEY!...OVER HERE!--->
BARTENDER ... AFTER I BUY ONE FOR THE BABE, YOU GET ONE FOR STEVE TOO ...
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:22pm |
re: #269 Univac
The whole concept of "not mandate" suggests there are a "lot" of people who don't think what Obama is trying to do is all good!
Eh, it's a slim peg upon which to hang the argument. Invoking mandates and the will of the people for or against anything is simply appeal to the mob, at worst. At best, it's romanticizing politics. Most every political leader elected has a fairly substantial portion of the electorate arrayed against him.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:50pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:55pm |
re: #244 Univac
You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?
In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:58pm |
re: #273 _RememberTonyC
BARTENDER ... AFTER I BUY ONE FOR THE BABE, YOU GET ONE FOR STEVE TOO ...
tanks bro
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:02pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:05pm |
re: #256 Univac
These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.
Well - it could be argued that he does; it could be argued that he doesn't. Either way, the argument for or against it doesn't mean a hill of beans, imo, any more now than it did when I heard it when GWB was President.
A President (like a Governor or a Mayor or any other elected official) cannot do everything that all of his/her constituents want done. He's got to choose A instead of B. And he will do that based on, we hope, the best interests of the country (state, city, whatever the level of jurisdiction we're talking about). And what is in the "best interest" of the country (state, city, whatever) will be determined, in part, by the official's political leanings.
So, the President (Governor, Mayor, whatever) serves the entire country (state, city, whatever) but that doesn't mean that he will make decisions or take action based on anything except what he thinks is best based on his political leanings. It's why this country's separation of powers (executive, legislative, judicial branches) are so important.
Right now, it looks to me like the GOP has fallen apart. Killgore said upthread that he thought there might be some gains for the GOP, but I honestly don't know that that will happen. I hope it does; but the way things are going, there's a whole pool of voters out there that is being turned off by the current antics of the GOP leadership.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:13pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:16:06pm |
Also the biggest margin in the popular vote.
Hey, but go ahead and keep denying that he won a mandate.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:16:51pm |
re: #265 McSpiff
I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.
tl;dr:
I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.
"localized federal" does not exist, it is a contradiction in terms.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:19:47pm |
I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:21:51pm |
re: #283 _RememberTonyC
Well, then I'm sure Fox will drive him out of office.
/
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:21:56pm |
re: #252 _RememberTonyC
Artest is mentally ill ... I am totally serious. You'll not see this on TV, but he is bipolar and takes medication. When they had the brawl a few years ago in Detroit, Crazy Ron was off his meds because he said they made him sluggish. He has been monitored more closely in the recent past, and while he is still super intense, he is taking his medication. Truly a scary dude. Boston and LA will meet in the Finals. KG and perkins looked great the other night when I saw them in hartford. 'Sheed is a great "get' for them. Celts will pace themselves in the regular season and win 55-57 games, which should get them #2 in the east.
Mostly I agree.. but Ron is a wonderful Father...A family guy that never ended up in gunfire at a local strip club in Indiana.
Crazy dude in the head...And on the court..Good luck because with his speed and length and crazy man defense..There are few men in the world that beat him on the court..He can be a monster...Remember when The Pacers lost a game 6 years ago and he punched out every camera on the way to the locker room? Dude is intense..He is crazy...But not insane..
He is a well spoken young man that loves his family..But freaking nuts..
How do you describe him?
/I'm picking him on the playground...He has that crazy look in his eyes..I ain't messing with him..*wink*
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:18pm |
re: #282 reine.de.tout
"localized federal" does not exist, it is a contradiction in terms.
re: #270 MandyManners
The states already have regulators of common carriers.
I'll just reply to you both in one post. Ideally id like to see the FCC disbanded and turned over to the states. This can be done for everything carried by wires, i.e cable tv and internet. The problem arises with broadcast media. What is done when station A in state Y causes interference to station B in state Z? To me this falls under the inter-state commerce clause, and should be handled by the federal government. However, the odds of a TV station in LA interfering with a TV station in NYC are essentially 0. So, id like to see the Federal CC work with the State CC on these type of cases, essentially having a regional FCC to work with the state CCs to resolve the inter-state but still localized interference issues. For truly nationwide broadcasts such as short wave, these should still be regulated by a Federal CC as they effect all states.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:21pm |
re: #276 Charles
re: #279 reine.de.tout
Absolutely he won a landslide in the electoral vote.
He also won the popular vote.
The largest margin in the popular vote means that more people were for him than for the next contender. I believe that Bush did not have a mandate, but I also believe that Obama does not either.
The president rules in the best interest of the people. If half (or less than half) the people disagree with him, he still has the right/responsibility to make the right decision for the country. However, I would expect that he would not make that decision lightly.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:22pm |
re: #276 Charles
In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.
Landslide? That's not a landslide. These are landslides.
Election 1980
President Ronald Reagan [R]
Main Opponent Jimmy Carter [D]
Electoral Vote Winner: 489
Main Opponent: 49
Total/Majority: 538/270
Popular Vote Winner: 43,904,153
Main Opponent: 35,483,883
Election 1984
President Ronald Reagan [R]
Main Opponent Walter F. Mondale [D]
Electoral Vote Winner: 525
Main Opponent: 13
Total/Majority: 538/270
Popular Vote Winner: 54,455,075
Main Opponent: 37,577,185
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:23:00pm |
re: #283 _RememberTonyC
I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.
We've talked a lot here about narcissism. Narcissists don't react well.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:23:54pm |
re: #290 jaunte
How are you defining 'mandate?'
However it needs to be defined so that Obama doesn't have one, of course.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:24:12pm |
re: #286 McSpiff
I'll just reply to you both in one post. Ideally id like to see the FCC disbanded and turned over to the states. This can be done for everything carried by wires, i.e cable tv and internet. The problem arises with broadcast media. What is done when station A in state Y causes interference to station B in state Z? To me this falls under the inter-state commerce clause, and should be handled by the federal government. However, the odds of a TV station in LA interfering with a TV station in NYC are essentially 0. So, id like to see the Federal CC work with the State CC on these type of cases, essentially having a regional FCC to work with the state CCs to resolve the inter-state but still localized interference issues. For truly nationwide broadcasts such as short wave, these should still be regulated by a Federal CC as they effect all states.
That would add another layer of bureacracy.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:09pm |
re: #283 _RememberTonyC
I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.
for me it all boils down to his decision regarding Afghanistan...since the 13k troop story was false I've little regard for his nearly one year of dithering...I don't give a damn about his spat with Fox...good men are dying over there and I sure hope he comes up with something I can live with...I have my doubts tho
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:21pm |
re: #287 Univac
re: #279 reine.de.tout
Absolutely he won a landslide in the electoral vote.
He also won the popular vote.The largest margin in the popular vote means that more people were for him than for the next contender. I believe that Bush did not have a mandate, but I also believe that Obama does not either.
The president rules in the best interest of the people. If half (or less than half) the people disagree with him, he still has the right/responsibility to make the right decision for the country. However, I would expect that he would not make that decision lightly.
Look, I'm not happy about it, but the guy won the election. There's no other definition of a mandate, in our system. He has a mandate - doesn't mean he has to make nice with those who didn't support him, or take their concerns into consideration; doesn't mean he's necessarily ignoring them, either, just that this whole "mandate" thing is pointless to discuss in the context of one who secured the electoral and popular votes by the margins he did.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:36pm |
re: #276 Charles
In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.
It really doesn't matter ... Obama won. People can manipulate numbers any way they want. I may be wrong about this, but I think McCain won more "counties" than Obama, so someone will use THAT as evidence of a lack of a mandate. But McCain's counties had 100,000 residents and the counties Obama won had 1,000,000 or more. It's all BS. You can't reverse history. Obama is the guy that won and those who can't accept that are destined to be very unhappy for a long time.
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:26:02pm |
re: #292 MandyManners
That would add another layer of bureacracy.
In the worst case it would remain the same as now, in the best case it would be purely a state matter.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:27:15pm |
I think that to deny that a Dem President who receives a majority of the popular vote and a majority in the electoral college has received a mandate is a virtually impossible argument to make on the numbers.
The better way to argue that Obama did not receive a mandate for a particular policy or policies would be to show, if possible, that he did not campaign on such policies and therefore the people who voted for him did not give him a mandate to bring in such policies.
This would need to be addressed on an issue by issue basis.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:27:37pm |
re: #296 McSpiff
In the worst case it would remain the same as now, in the best case it would be purely a state matter.
It would still be another layer, another chunk of change out of broadcasters' pockets.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:04pm |
re: #297 Spare O'Lake
Good luck with that!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:20pm |
re: #293 albusteve
The problem is that I'm not sure Obama can get more troops. Are there troops available and can he get funding? Bush's surge in Iraq was a last ditch effort. I'm not sure more troops is a politically viable option right now.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:35pm |
re: #297 Spare O'Lake
However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:46pm |
re: #285 HoosierHoops
Mostly I agree.. but Ron is a wonderful Father...A family guy that never ended up in gunfire at a local strip club in Indiana.
Crazy dude in the head...And on the court..Good luck because with his speed and length and crazy man defense..There are few men in the world that beat him on the court..He can be a monster...Remember when The Pacers lost a game 6 years ago and he punched out every camera on the way to the locker room? Dude is intense..He is crazy...But not insane..
He is a well spoken young man that loves his family..But freaking nuts..
How do you describe him?
/I'm picking him on the playground...He has that crazy look in his eyes..I ain't messing with him..*wink*
I never said he was a bad guy, but he is legitimately ill in the head. But on the court, he is a premier talent at both ends of the court. His biggest contribution will be guarding the other team's best perimeter player so Kobe won't have to. And that means Kobe is gonna be fresher at the offensive end ... VERY bad news for all LA opponents.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:58pm |
re: #297 Spare O'Lake
I think that to deny that a Dem President who receives a majority of the popular vote and a majority in the electoral college has received a mandate is a virtually impossible argument to make on the numbers.
The better way to argue that Obama did not receive a mandate for a particular policy or policies would be to show, if possible, that he did not campaign on such policies and therefore the people who voted for him did not give him a mandate to bring in such policies.
This would need to be addressed on an issue by issue basis.
Oh, geez! Nobody told me there'd be math!
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:16pm |
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:32pm |
re: #298 MandyManners
It would still be another layer, another chunk of change out of broadcasters' pockets.
No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:43pm |
re: #301 jaunte
However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.
Thank the Lord! Issue-by issue voting for the calculation of some sorta issue-by-issue mandate?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:49pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:30:46pm |
re: #305 McSpiff
No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.
Do you really think the federal government will just go away in this matter?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:30:46pm |
re: #290 jaunte
How are you defining 'mandate?'
Well, and the thing is . . . it doesn't matter.
Any President is going to have to decide to do A instead of B.
Half the people will be upset, regardless of what that decision is.
But he's gotta do it, anyhow, otherwise - nothing gets done, and we sit and stew in a morass of indecision, which is worse, by far, imo, than doing something that is less than perfect.
In my opinion, there are some things that we'd be better off if the decision made were to be the decision to leave things alone or do them differently than what's currently proposed (healthcare). Not everyone agrees with that but in the end, a decision will be made (do nothing, do what's proposed, do something else), and as a nation, we will move forward. It's how it is, regardless of whether the President has a "mandate" or not.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:31:13pm |
re: #306 Guanxi88
Trying to guess in advance what issues might come up over a four-year period would be interesting.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:31:43pm |
re: #305 McSpiff
No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.
BTW, that is NOT Lloyd's line of thinking.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:09pm |
re: #310 jaunte
Trying to guess in advance what issues might come up over a four-year period would be interesting.
Cripes! you'd have to start campaigning decades before the election, just to make sure you'd covered most major issues, and the tallying of the vote and announcement of results would last all the way through til the next election.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:10pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
There's the essence of having an Executive branch.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:52pm |
re: #313 jaunte
There's the essence of having an Executive branch.
Or, an Executive, period - business or government.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:26pm |
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the entire Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:32pm |
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:52pm |
re: #293 albusteve
for me it all boils down to his decision regarding Afghanistan...since the 13k troop story was false I've little regard for his nearly one year of dithering...I don't give a damn about his spat with Fox...good men are dying over there and I sure hope he comes up with something I can live with...I have my doubts tho
Someone who is a real leader will send the troops and fight to win. Someone who is a political hack will be more concerned with how his war plan will affect the next election. That appears to be our fear of Obama. Bash Bush all you want, but give him credit for this much: he went "all in" to do what he thought was the right thing, even when it cost him politically. He had balls enough to go after saddam even when an election was right around the corner in 2004. Obama is less dedicated to beating islamofascism that Bush was. And I hate playing politics with our military when our people are fighting a good fight.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:34:04pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
Actually, I think that a president that will do the right thing, even if the majority (>50% of the people) disagree, is a good president. That is part of leadership. However, if it is against the peoples desires, there should definately be some soul searching involved. That is one of the big reasons why it is tough to be president.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:34:14pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
The problem is that I'm not sure Obama can get more troops. Are there troops available and can he get funding? Bush's surge in Iraq was a last ditch effort. I'm not sure more troops is a politically viable option right now.
that's his problem...he wanted to fight this war, now fight it...maybe he should go on a recruitment campaign...Bush's 'surge' could have come at least a year earlier than it did...he should have told the anti war donks to go fuck themselves...the troops were there all along and dithering costs lives...something BO and uncle Joe still have not figured out...if they don't want to fight and kill Tali's just admit it and withdraw... their record speaks for itself
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:36:43pm |
re: #318 Univac
Actually, I think that a president that will do the right thing, even if the majority (>50% of the people) disagree, is a good president. That is part of leadership. However, if it is against the peoples desires, there should definately be some soul searching involved. That is one of the big reasons why it is tough to be president.
when?...the clock is ticking...your idealism is palpable
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:37:06pm |
re: #318 Univac
Of course, I will be upset in the present if I am in the loosing half ;-)
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:37:07pm |
Wow. The comments for that Malkin post are unbelievably crazy.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:12pm |
re: #315 Charles
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.
You don't agree that this Scozzafava is certainly an atypical pick for a GOP seat? Leave out for a minute Malkin's mobs and their feces-flinging.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:36pm |
re: #322 Charles
Wow. The comments for that Malkin post are unbelievably crazy.
are you describing a "blog swarm?"
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:55pm |
re: #321 Univac
Of course, I will be upset in the present if I am in the loosing half ;-)
Hm. Well, I was in that "losing" half once the election results came in. But we have what we have - and I suspect the pressures and responsibilities of this job weighed in on the President really fast, and that he takes the job as seriously as he needs to be taking it.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:56pm |
re: #299 Charles
Good luck with that!
I would point out that during the campaign Obama was criticized for being a blank slate, a chameleon, a hopenchanger, a candidate who would speak out of both sides of his mouth at the drop of a hat. If those criticisms had validity, then one could argue that his mandate is kind of shaky.
I also think that Obama`s footdragging on a number of promises would leave him open to the charge that his mandate was for speedy change and a new approach in Washington, and so he has no mandate to maintain the status quo.
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39:01pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
re: #308 MandyManners
O I totally agree that this is not the Dems plan at all. And I dont think the Fed will give up *any* power unless a majority of people demand it. It just worries me that the FCC may be able to make a rule concerning net neutrality and enforce it on businesses that do not engage in any inter-state commerce. Basically id like to cut off the FCC from getting any more power, and I think the best way to do that is to shift some regulatory powers to the states. I also think that regionalizing the FCC to a certain degree could be a starting point, with a structure more similar to the Federal Reserve than the current monolithic FCC.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39:50pm |
re: #315 Charles
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the entire Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.
That's nice.
RedState, naturally, is all over this also:
Do the RNC, NRCC, and Dede Scozzafava condone eugenics and sterilization of the poor and minorities?
Erick Erickson runs with this old canard:
I hate to have to ask the question, [oh, really? --ice] but in light of this news broken by Michelle Malkin today, we must.
Scozzafava is the proud recipient of the Margaret Sanger award given by an abortion group in New York.
Margaret Sanger was a noted eugenicist. Though Planned Parenthood, the group Sanger found, denies it, evidence from a variety of sources points out that Sanger was a big supporter of sterilization of minorities.
In 1939, Sanger created the Negro Project, which the left has tried to discredit, but was very much real. Sanger advocated sterilization and abortion for lower income black women.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:09pm |
re: #323 Guanxi88
I'm starting to just tune out on the Nontroversy of the Day, sorry.
There's only so much craziness I can be expected to pay attention to.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:25pm |
re: #320 albusteve
when?...the clock is ticking...your idealism is palpable
Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:27pm |
re: #327 McSpiff
re: #308 MandyManners
O I totally agree that this is not the Dems plan at all. And I dont think the Fed will give up *any* power unless a majority of people demand it. It just worries me that the FCC may be able to make a rule concerning net neutrality and enforce it on businesses that do not engage in any inter-state commerce. Basically id like to cut off the FCC from getting any more power, and I think the best way to do that is to shift some regulatory powers to the states. I also think that regionalizing the FCC to a certain degree could be a starting point, with a structure more similar to the Federal Reserve than the current monolithic FCC.
It won't happen espcially with Lloyd's in-put.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:41:49pm |
re: #325 reine.de.tout
Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.
You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.
We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:06pm |
re: #323 Guanxi88
You don't agree that this Scozzafava is certainly an atypical pick for a GOP seat? Leave out for a minute Malkin's mobs and their feces-flinging.
Endorsed by the WFP?!
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:30pm |
re: #301 jaunte
However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.
I agree. Impeachment would be the only legal avenue to remove a sitting President, and Obama has certainly not committed an impeachable offence.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:34pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:56pm |
re: #329 Charles
I'm starting to just tune out on the Nontroversy of the Day, sorry.
There's only so much craziness I can be expected to pay attention to.
I hear that. Shame that this is what we've come to - a buncha screaming drunks (metaphorically, of course) making a simple conversation all but impossible by their presence, and stubbornly refusing to STFU or STFD.
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:43:43pm |
re: #331 MandyManners
It won't happen espcially with Lloyd's in-put.
Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:35pm |
re: #332 Univac
Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.
You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.
We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.
well so far he hasn't, unless you want you very ass taxed off
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:41pm |
re: #337 McSpiff
Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.
Even under a Republican administration, I don't see the FCC disappearing. It's entrenched.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:49pm |
Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:45:58pm |
re: #340 Guanxi88
Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?
They're dead, Jim.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:03pm |
re: #340 Guanxi88
Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?
where the hell is Paul Anka?
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:18pm |
re: #337 McSpiff
Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.
I think that's a terrible idea - an expansion of governmental control is a bad idea, irrespective of who's in charge.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:57pm |
Yanks lead Angels after 5 innings ... good game so far ... but we need the Anaheim Rally Monkey to make an appearance.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:12pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:12pm |
re: #302 _RememberTonyC
I never said he was a bad guy, but he is legitimately ill in the head. But on the court, he is a premier talent at both ends of the court. His biggest contribution will be guarding the other team's best perimeter player so Kobe won't have to. And that means Kobe is gonna be fresher at the offensive end ... VERY bad news for all LA opponents.
Amen to that.. There isn't a man on the face of the earth that Artist can't guard or bring grief too...But he has always had to score also to win.. I've seen lots of those games..
Kobe is in the house...Stand back Ronny...Kobe is one of the greatest scorers in all the history of Basketball...As much as I hate the Lakers.. There are only 2 or three players in the history of the world better than Kobe...
He is beautiful on the court
I love Kobe I hate the Lakers
Don't judge me!
BTW.. This is a fact of basketball.. Kobe has over a 1000 pro games on his knees.. Players all break down in Basketball at a certain mark...Kobe's time isn't long...He has played too much.. 2 years? It's coming to an end...99% of all players follow the stats.. He is over the 1000 game mark..rare air..Won't be long...It's sad..Kobe is a genius playing the game..His speed and grace and just pure heart stopping moves to the basket...
One on one.. Kobe vs...Who? Bird? Please..Run around him laughing..
Magic? ( Magic..no question)
Who would I put up against Kobe one on one as baddest player on Earth?
Kobe vs. Jordan
pay per view
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McSpiff Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:54pm |
re: #339 MandyManners
Exactly why id rather see a system more like the Fed Reserve than the current monolithic FCC. Same reasons why the US doesn't have a single central bank.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:57pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:48:24pm |
re: #332 Univac
Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.
You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.
We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.
How does this distinguish him from any other president we have ever had, or ever will have?
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jaunte Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:48:35pm |
re: #340 Guanxi88
Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?
Back in the good old days (1949-1967) the Fairness Doctrine was in place.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:49:30pm |
re: #353 jaunte
Back in the good old days (1949-1967) the Fairness Doctrine was in place.
I was talking about the Republican and Conservative movements. When I think "republican" I think of Ike, even as, when I think conservative, i think Buckley.
And look what we got now!
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:50:13pm |
re: #354 Guanxi88
I was talking about the Republican and Conservative movements. When I think "republican" I think of Ike, even as, when I think conservative, i think Buckley.
And look what we got now!
HUCKABEE!
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:04pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:07pm |
re: #330 iceweasel
Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!
Ice! Good evening.. My company is sending me to Singapore for a job.
Cool huh?
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:19pm |
re: #355 albusteve
HUCKABEE!
Sweet Merciful Mother of the Mongols! A nobody, a less than a nobody - guaranteed to win the overwhelming support of about 20 folk in his congregation. And I thought I had negative charisma and zero prospects on the national stage.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:48pm |
re: #346 _RememberTonyC
Was he on the bag or off?
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:56pm |
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:08pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
But there is a delicious Conspiracy going on right now in Physics.
Are you referring to this: Are the laws of nature changing with time?
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:28pm |
re: #349 HoosierHoops
Kobe is a basketball savant ... a genius of the hardwood. He and Jordan are stone cold killers on the court ... remorseless assassins.
By the way ... the Yankees just got another bad call to go in their favor ... Anglels screwed by the umps again.
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Univac Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:49pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
How does this distinguish him from any other president we have ever had, or ever will have?
It does not. The amount of hope/encouragement varies with the level of popular support. With results like Electoral votes: 365 -173 Popular votes: 52.9% - 45.5%, I would expect there would be a lot of soul searching on the presidents part.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:53:21pm |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:54:03pm |
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:55:05pm |
re: #366 _RememberTonyC
OFF
Not sure. I couldn't see his foot precisely at the point when the ball was in his glove
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:56:56pm |
re: #330 iceweasel
Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!
It's Platonism gone mad, I tell you! ;-)
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:58:17pm |
re: #357 HoosierHoops
Ice! Good evening.. My company is sending me to Singapore for a job.
Cool huh?
Extremely! I'm really happy for you!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:00:20pm |
re: #358 Guanxi88
Sweet Merciful Mother of the Mongols! A nobody, a less than a nobody - guaranteed to win the overwhelming support of about 20 folk in his congregation. And I thought I had negative charisma and zero prospects on the national stage.
I actually find Huckabee much more charming and relatable than Sarah Palin. That frightens me.
I also have a creeping interest in his pioneering work using a popcorn popper as a deep fryer.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:00:23pm |
re: #368 John Neverbend
Not sure. I couldn't see his foot precisely at the point when the ball was in his glove
Yankee fans will feel differently than I do!
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:03:58pm |
re: #362 _RememberTonyC
Kobe is a basketball savant ... a genius of the hardwood. He and Jordan are stone cold killers on the court ... remorseless assassins.
By the way ... the Yankees just got another bad call to go in their favor ... Anglels screwed by the umps again.
I'm so watching...
My poor little rescue dog Winston...Poor thing hasn't gone through too many play offs with me..
He doesn't quite know how to react when I jump over the end table screaming at my 73" Samsung High Def TV with surround sound screaming curse words that would make a sailor turn blue..Well I look over at the wall as Winston is slowing sliding down it in pure shock...I'm sure he is thinking..Should I run or should I stay and root for the hoopsters team?
Poor little Winston...Welcome to the play-offs...He has one eye open and one closed in the 6th inning...
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albusteve Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:04:32pm |
encore...three weeks ago tonight, CJ blessed me with this gem...
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:08:19pm |
re: #370 iceweasel
Extremely! I'm really happy for you!
I am thrilled! In a couple months I'll be blogging from there...I have never been to Asian...I'm taking mega vacation time...
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:12:27pm |
re: #373 HoosierHoops
I'm so watching...
My poor little rescue dog Winston...Poor thing hasn't gone through too many play offs with me..
He doesn't quite know how to react when I jump over the end table screaming at my 73" Samsung High Def TV with surround sound screaming curse words that would make a sailor turn blue..Well I look over at the wall as Winston is slowing sliding down it in pure shock...I'm sure he is thinking..Should I run or should I stay and root for the hoopsters team?
Poor little Winston...Welcome to the play-offs...He has one eye open and one closed in the 6th inning...
You Sir, have the passion.
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dugmartsch Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:23:30pm |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.
You'd think he has a bunch of mass murderers in his cabinet from reading this post. He has some liberals in what should be very liberal positions in a not particularly liberal administration. Chief Diversity Officer...sounds like a great place to put the token liberal if ever there was one.
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Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:27:02pm |
I don't see how any regular internet user can be opposed to internet neutrality.
Here's the alternative:
Image: 2549412581_f11fffcd33_o.jpg
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claire Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:35:50pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
It concerns the speed of light..Just last year scientist have been successful in actually slowing down the speed of light through a medium...
Are you talking about slowing it down thru a Bose-Einstein Condensate? I thought they first did that 10 years ago, but interesting idea about the early universe, nevertheless. Just one more point to be picky: Light slows down when passing thru any media other than a vacuum. That's why we get refraction (bending) when it passes through water or glass, etc-
You also know that this controversy is like red meat to young earth creationists. They took this and ran with it like the crazy people they are and they are actually claiming that light is like 25% slower today than just 2000 years ago, instead of the tiny amount over billions of years...
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dugmartsch Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:36:09pm |
re: #326 Spare O'Lake
I would point out that during the campaign Obama was criticized for being a blank slate, a chameleon, a hopenchanger, a candidate who would speak out of both sides of his mouth at the drop of a hat. If those criticisms had validity, then one could argue that his mandate is kind of shaky.
I also think that Obama`s footdragging on a number of promises would leave him open to the charge that his mandate was for speedy change and a new approach in Washington, and so he has no mandate to maintain the status quo.
Speedy change? Like a daytime nyquil kind of change? Did you listen to the dude's acceptance speech or like, anything he said during the campaign? Speedy was not in his vocabulary.
And those characterizations are quite ungenerous. You could find any politican and show some message attenuation depending on the audience, but to say that he changed his positions on policy all the time is laughable.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:45:41pm |
re: #195 dugmartsch
I think Fuller in under appreciated, & his tensegrities are way under utilized.
Tensegrity structures
These sidestep the buckling limit for most struts and columns. They are super efficient.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:15:42pm |
re: #33 Charles
Woah, I just had another look at Hot Air and there's a thread that's almost not worth quoting from as nearly every comment is off-the-rails bad craziness. I'll excerpt some of it in a few minutes.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:29:36pm |
[Link: hotair.com...]
Afterall, the fall of Communism and the Berlin Wall is a sad, sad day for many in Obama’s Administration…
[Link: hotair.com...]
Remember, to Obama’s mentors and a non-trivial swath of his political base, the Fall of the Berlin Wall was a dark day in history.
[Link: hotair.com...]
You don’t seriously think a communist is going to show up for a celebration of the defeat of communism, do you?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Our President is a Marxist. What did you expect?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Since Obama can’t ‘apologize’ for America’s role in the fall of the Berlin Wall, why would he want to go.
[Link: hotair.com...]
He’s not a communist. He just believes in everything a communist believes in, and relys on communists and marxists for advice.
[Link: hotair.com...]
The Precedent is waiting for the new Berlin Wall to be built. He’s worked it out with Russia and they’re going to let him break ground on it. At first Russia complained that The Precedent had already done that with his stabbing Poland and the Czechs in the back on missile defense, but The Precedent held out for the physical groundbreaking.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Why would a Marxist like this SOB want to celebrate what he certainly views as a bad day for “progress”?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Rahm: “Barry, Hugo is having a clambake on Saturday to celebrate Fidel’s 40 years of communist rule.”Obama: “I’m in. Pack my bong.”
[Link: hotair.com...]
Maybe he’ll send an apology to the Kremlin for all those decades we held West Berlin and refused to cede control to the Communists.
[Link: hotair.com...]
But is anyone seriously surprised that a guy who pisses on Poland, renegs on defense treaties with our allies, flies the communist flag of China at the WHITE HOUSE, sides with dictators and thugs over any and all democracies isn’t going to Berlin?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Since a unified Germany stands in the way of Russian conquest of Europe, as does Poland and the Czech Republic, of course Obama considers them children of a lesser god.
[Link: hotair.com...]
He is indeed a Marxist and just cannot bring himself to celebrate such an event.Er ist ja ein slimeball.
[Link: hotair.com...]
He may have trashed Berlin, but here’s betting he’ll be in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square next year to mark the 61st anniversary of the Communist Revolution.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:34:31pm |
[Link: hotair.com...]
No. They have a perfect understanding of their version of history which is based on Chomsky, Zinn, Rev. Wright and various other leading lights of Marxist and “Black studies” theories. Who are the Poles and Germans? Europeans, for God’s sake! A bunch of white people, aka colonialists and oppressors. Just like the UK, with whom we have “no special relationship” (”…and send back the bust of that old, dead white guy, Churchill”).If those people can be incited to cheer for The One, fine, but they will always be “lesser.” And, being the lesser white colonialists that they are, they will get the contempt the Obama White House knows they so richly deserve.
[Link: hotair.com...]
He means Reagan. Ya know, the guy who had more love of America in a hair follicle than Obama has in his entire administration of Marxist scumbags.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Obama is not going to Berlin this time because Michelle is not proud of what happened there , an event she watched with tears in her eyes while sitting on her dad’s lap , 20 yrs ago
[Link: hotair.com...]
Was she cheering, when the Israeli team was assassinated?
[Link: hotair.com...]
She may have. That 1972 terrorist group at Munich was called Black September.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Ofcourse she was cheering
Didn’t Arafat get a Nobel for his peace-efforts ?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Gee, the sonorous lilting speeches with full reverb, the adoring sycophants, the limited-tone personality oriented campaign posters, the adoring, slobbering media. Yeah, I can’t imagine why anyone would ever draw a parallel.
//Obama-as-Hitler
[Link: hotair.com...]
Why would Obama cross the street to celebrate the fall of a political system he seeks to foist upon a people who do not want it? If you look at the people he surrounds himself with you can only come to the conclusion that Obama is a Communist and an enemy of America.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Right, mate, but 666 is a number perhaps more recognizable by this president.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Barry Hussein doesn’t want to have to talk about American steadfastness and the defeat of communism-that’s so 20th century; he also doesn’t want to offend his friends and far-left supporters (e.g., Van Jones, the nitwit lady who loves Chairman Mao). This administration is an unfunny joke.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Of course he’s not attending. It’s a sad day for communist sympathizers.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Too many communist heroes in the lives of Soetoro White Staff members to celebrate the fall of communism in Berlin.
[Link: hotair.com...]
He would be moved to tears… that a communist country fell.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Maybe its because the wall would still be there if Barry had his eay.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:35:56pm |
[Link: hotair.com...]
LOL… Obama celebrating a defeat of Communist rule, who really thought he’s ever do such a thing?
[Link: hotair.com...]
Obama is the Anti-Reagan: anti-democracy and pro-tyranny. He doesn’t want to attend if Reagan will outshine him, and invalidate his obsequious, apology ridden approach to foreign policy.
[Link: hotair.com...]
The fall of the Berlin Wall isn’t a big deal to commies like Barry Hussein Obama.
[Link: hotair.com...]
These European sheeple have yet to realize that Chairman Obama is of the same brand as those who built the Berlin Wall.I’m betting most of them figured the Wall was just some kind of “mistake” and is in no way indicative of how these leftist radicals really think.
[Link: hotair.com...]
Perhaps someone already said this but:I am appalled that he is not a decent man and an honorable president.
But, he is not. And, frankly, seeing his smarmy a$$ up there giving a speech about something he certainly does not perceive as important…I think he would just be a tremendous embarrassment and an insult to the memory of Ronald Reagan. Screw him. I’m glad he’s not going. SCREW HIM.
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simoom Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:40:53pm |
Especially sick are the multiple posts about Michelle cheering the assassinations at the Munich Olympics complete with making a ridiculous racial pun out of "Black September".
Oh, and that thread has lots of LGF bashing too.
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freetoken Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:46:35pm |
re: #387 simoom
You're doing good work at documenting the rush to head off the cliff in the ugly-o-sphere. This is a real meltdown of the polity in this country, by which I mean the frothing mob is what empowers people like Beck to try and bring down people in public service.
America doesn't need frothing mobs.
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