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1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:31:32pm

Ahhh... macaroni and cheese!

2 Bagua  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:32:35pm

Good parody of the inanity of media on almost any issue.

3 Bob Levin  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:43:18pm

Yep, perfect. We need that economic news and analysis. Very important.
:-)

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:46:39pm

I'm really looking forward to that Monty Python documentary.

5 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:49:20pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'm really looking forward to that Monty Python documentary.

Huh?

6 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:09pm
7 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:19pm

Fits right in with the cookbook theme:

REALITY BITES! Diverse Delights for a Deficit Economy

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:50:31pm

re: #5 MandyManners

It's advertised on the Onion clip.

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:52:18pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Not sure if Bush has already spoken. I assume the sitting president is the closer.

10 marsl  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:53:07pm

Rubbing your credit cards in your body? Does that work?

sarc

11 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:53:33pm

re: #10 marsl

Rubbing your credit cards in your body? Does that work?

sarc

Try it.

12 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

King Arthur will be absent though.

13 recusancy  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:55:19pm
14 marsl  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:28pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

Hmmm... nope.

1) I'm not a women
2) I don't use credit cards
3) I'm too big - would need many credits cards. Would you gve me yours? Write your name and pin-code. IN Portugal, Mastercard, American Express and Visa are accepted...

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:32pm

Approaching 80,000 page views for the day. Not too bad for an irrelevant blog that all decent right-thinking wingnuts must curse and defame.

For example, Robert Stacy McCain today at Protein Wisdom, commenting on my link to Barrett Brown's article about him:

Comment by Robert Stacy McCain on 10/15 @ 10:48 pm #

Let me put it this way, Barrett: If I ever went over to HuffPo or TrueSlant and started trolling the comments, people would question my sanity. It bespeaks a smallness and a frightening level of fanaticism. Stop sucking Charles Johnson’s cock and start thinking about your own reputation and career, as what you do under your own name, Barrett Brown, is not the same as your anonymous cocksucking at LGF.

Thanks for my PW friends for letting me know about this.

16 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:56:37pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Good. "Help other people at all times" ( from the Scout oath).

17 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:58:02pm

Elder Bush sees 'ugliness' in attacks on Obama

Former President George H.W. Bush doesn't like the "ugliness" President Barack Obama has faced since taking office, but he thinks it's no worse than his son experienced and is not about Obama being black.

Bush, who was hosting Obama at a volunteerism forum here Friday, said the tone of the criticism "crosses the line of civility."

"To the degree it turns off one student or young person from serving, that's bad," Bush said in an interview with CBS News Radio at his presidential library. "It should not happen."
...
The elder Bush said, "You might find some racists out there but I don't think the attacks per se have to do that he's an African-American."

Bush, who turned 85 in June, said presidents throughout history have suffered at the hands of critics.

"I'm reluctant to say it's a whole new thing in politics — this ugliness," he said. "I mean you go back to Grover Cleveland ... It was terrible the things that people said."

18 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #15 Charles

What a rotten comment from RSMcC !

19 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 2:59:46pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

And why does it surprise you that George. H. W. "New World Order" Bush would help Obama bring in the NWO?

/

20 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:00:11pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

He's just a RINO.

/

21 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #15 Charles

That's mighty polite and professional of him.

/

22 stuck in california  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #12 Ojoe

King Arthur will be absent though.

But will the Knights that say Ni?

23 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #20 freetoken

Helping Obama to create his own private army of jackbooted brownshirts!
/wingnut

24 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:38pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Cleveland won partly because a Republican who was preacher made a derogatory comment about Catholics, calling the Dems the party of "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion."

There is not much new under the sun.

25 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:01:53pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Helping Obama to create his own private army of jackbooted brownshirts!
/wingnut

For the OLIGARHY!

26 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:02:33pm

re: #22 stuck in california

O knights that say Ni, you are just and fair. We will return with your shrubbery ...

ROFLMAO

27 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:02:38pm

re: #24 Ojoe

Ah, thanks. I didn't understand that reference.

28 marsl  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #26 Ojoe

Where is the Black Knight?

29 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Of course, I like Rum Romanism and Rebellion, myself.

30 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:04:04pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Hey, didn't you know?

31 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:04:17pm

re: #28 marsl

They cut him out of the documentary?

32 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:04:51pm

BBL ! Work !

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:05:05pm

Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. I already have several good candidates, but as we all know it's a never-ending fountain of crazy over there, so if anyone has links to especially insane and/or offensive comments, post them here, please.

34 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:05:07pm

Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.

35 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:06:28pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

You're believing the words of a guy who was a supervisor of JFK's murder?

/
/see video linked above

36 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:07:44pm

Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

37 marsl  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:08:25pm

re: #31 Ojoe

No... I hope not

38 SixDegrees  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:08:48pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.

Except that he's a RINO!!!

/

39 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:09:50pm

re: #36 Charles

Hey, I didn't know you were the Howard Hughes type!

/

40 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:10:54pm

re: #36 Charles

That guy actually sent me a link with a note: "hope you enjoy."

Yeah, sure, who doesn't enjoy being described as "batshit crazy, a Howard Hughes-save and drink his own urine-type"?

Some people seem to have no awareness at all of their own shitty behavior.

41 Bagua  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:12:05pm

re: #33 Charles

Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. [...].

Engine room, full power to the rear shields and fire up the Flounce-o-meter!

42 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:12:52pm

re: #36 Charles

Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Bet they thought you were too preoccupied to notice them.

43 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:14:45pm

re: #40 Charles

That guy actually sent me a link with a note: "hope you enjoy."

Yeah, sure, who doesn't enjoy being described as "batshit crazy, a Howard Hughes-save and drink his own urine-type"?

Some people seem to have no awareness at all of their own shitty behavior.

I don't know Charles, with a professional handle like Druggy Bear, you know he is a dedicated professional.
//

44 recusancy  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:15:38pm

President of Americans For Prosperity does his best 'that was all in the past' dodge.

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:15:42pm

re: #35 freetoken

Heh.

46 KingKenrod  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Bush's speech should serve as an example to conservatives. There's no need to oppose Obama's volunteer programs. He's not spreading communism, collectivism, fascism or starting his own personal army. He's doing a good thing and there's no reason to oppose it.

Volunteering is a good thing.

But I think volunteer-ism should be left to private organizations. If government wants to give grants to creditable private organizations, fine - as taxpayers, we can agree or disagree that is a good use of public funds.

But a govt run volunteer effort, or a legal mandate to do volunteer work - I say "no thanks" to that. To much opportunity for mis-use by whatever knucklehead is in charge of it. The govt has enough trouble keeping clean and focusing on more primary missions.

47 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:16:02pm

(Watch: now that there's a newer thread, the real crazies will start posting in the Anita Dunn thread...)

48 Danny  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:09pm

I think my wife is wondering why I was smelling her credit cards.

49 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #40 Charles

Take comfort in the fact that they still hate you.

50 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:17:52pm

re: #33 Charles

Time to start putting together the Hot Air Comments of the Day thread. I already have several good candidates, but as we all know it's a never-ending fountain of crazy over there, so if anyone has links to especially insane and/or offensive comments, post them here, please.

Seriously.. In the end.. All you can do is shine a light in the darkest corners.
All man has in this world is truth, Courage, principles and Faith..
You have never wavered in your beliefs and just bent to the prevailing winds. You have lost some friends.. not out of a bitter freud...But because you stood for the Sanity..Not right or left..But anti-idiot views..No matter if it's about race, politics, blogs, Our dear friends the Jews, Religion or any subject...You stuck to your guns Charles..
That's called Integrity ..
Too little of that shit these days..
/Yea..I'm looking at you HA..
-Kind Regards
Hoopster

51 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:18:53pm

Yesterday President Obama did some fundraising at a San Francisco dinner. Local radio station KFSO-AM organized a modest (I'm guessing a couple hundred participants) Tea Party protest in response. One positive development is they explicitly laid down some ground rules:

Wear your best patriotic outfits, bring American Flags, signs (but remember to keep it clean and stay on point with things like Health Care Reform, Taxes, etc. No references to Obama's Birth Certificate issue or comparisons to Hitler, as they are never media-friendly).

Note that the reason given for the rule is media-friendliness and not that the topics are plain nutty - none the less it's an improvement.

As far as I can tell this request was mostly respected as I only found two Obama-as-Hitler/facist sign images:
[Link: www.flickr.com...] (the no difference Hitler / Obama sign on the left)
[Link: bit.ly...] (had to use bit.ly as the repeating AAA's in the blogspot address kept getting truncated)

And only one Birther sign:
[Link: www.flickr.com...] (Kenyan village idiot sign, bottom right)

Also at the protest were the typical Obama-as-communist signs:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image again)
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Plus a whole lot of death panel signs:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

To round things out, here's an Obama-as-Judas sign:
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image)

52 Danny  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:19:20pm

Gotta admit...Anita Dunn pwned Beck.

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #46 KingKenrod

Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.

54 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:22:44pm

re: #51 simoom

Great stuff. Thanks for posting. The Obama/Judas thing seemed a popular theme at this protest. I watched some of the videos earlier.

55 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:25:18pm

re: #46 KingKenrod

Our school district has a requirement for 160 hours of "social work" between 6th and 12th grade.

I think getting children involved in the community is a great thing. 160 hours is a joke for those that are involved, and punishment for those that are not. The big issue - the student has to fill out a form and write a "what I learned" essay for each submittal. That is a turnoff to all.

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #51 simoom

Also a lot of signs against AARP. Conservatives turning on AARP is a really bad idea...but that's not going to stop them.

57 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #51 simoom

I got a kick out of this:

Wear your best patriotic outfits, bring American Flags, signs (but remember to keep it clean and stay on point with things like Health Care Reform, Taxes, etc. No references to Obama's Birth Certificate issue or comparisons to Hitler, as they are never media-friendly).

"Never media-friendly?" That's their only objection to this stuff, that it might make them look bad to the media. Not a hint of disapproval of the actual craziness itself, just a cheap attempt to lay blame on the "media."

That's exactly what's wrong with the tea party organizers.

58 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #51 simoom

To round things out, here's an Obama-as-Judas sign:
[Link: bit.ly...] (bit.ly to a blogspot image)


One interesting thing about this last photo - you'll notice the two signs with FreedomCoalition down bottom. Out of curiosity I went to their site, and here's how they describe themselves:

The Freedom Coalition is an association of Americanists. We are deeply concerned about the rapid decline in personal freedom in our Nation, and are resolved to arrest said decline, beginning an incline. Our theme is "to re-implement the Constitution for the united States of America."

We have observed government’s purposefully inconsistent, selective, mal-interpretive, disrespectful, blasphemous, arrogant, treasonous approach to our Constitution, which is destructive of life, liberty, and property, and have made it our solemn business to correct the problem. We direct our appeal to Heaven and to all who share our concern.

Careful research has convinced us that said process is of ancient design and of long duration. Its clear goal is World Domination. Ingenious, extremely well-organized, and Hate-driven, it transcends party labels, national boundaries, and all other man-made barriers to its ultimate victory. Totalitarianism -- the enslavement of mankind -- is its vision.

Spooky :P.

59 KingKenrod  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.

Oh yeah, not a thing wrong with encouraging people to volunteer. I haven't watched the video so I don't know if they were supporting a govt effort or not.

I worry about the government sucking resources from private charities.

60 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:27:55pm

re: #58 simoom

Yep, the Freedom Coalition is a bunch of hard core Illuminati types.

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:28:49pm

All of that stuff comes straight out of the John Birch Society. I wouldn't be surprised to find lots of connections between Freedom Coalition and the Birchers.

62 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:29:41pm

re: #51 simoom

Note that the reason given for the rule is media-friendliness and not that the topics are plain nutty - none the less it's an improvement.

Twice nothing is still nothing. Until they replace "they aren't media friendly" with "they are batshit crazy" it's not an improvement.

63 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:29:59pm

re: #57 Charles

I got a kick out of this:

"Never media-friendly?" That's their only objection to this stuff, that it might make them look bad to the media. Not a hint of disapproval of the actual craziness itself, just a cheap attempt to lay blame on the "media."

That's exactly what's wrong with the tea party organizers.

That argument sounds familiar.

64 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:18pm

re: #61 Charles

All of that stuff comes straight out of the John Birch Society. I wouldn't be surprised to find lots of connections between Freedom Coalition and the Birchers.

Birchers are into NWO and the Illuminati hoohah?

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:45pm

Sure enough -- the Freedom Coalition links page: Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, John Birch Society, and a host of other crazies:

[Link: www.freedomcoalition.com...]

66 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:31:59pm

re: #64 MandyManners

Birchers are into NWO and the Illuminati hoohah?

Very much so.

67 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #57 Charles

Isn't part of that the art of persuasion?

You tell someone they are an idiot, and they don't respond.
You suggest a more effective approach is ... and they think you are helping.

68 dugmartsch  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:32:55pm

re: #36 Charles

Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Man i fucking hate that site.

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:35:36pm

'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death

Press TV is an Iranian news agency

70 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #66 ArchangelMichael

Very much so.

That's a lot of crazy.

71 ~Fianna  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:38:55pm

The whining is starting downstairs...

72 Danny  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:41:24pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death

Ironic: "Death to the extremists."

73 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:43:04pm

re: #70 MandyManners

That's a lot of crazy.

The JBS also has a bug up their ass about the Rosicrucian Order. I knew someone who in their younger and crazier years was in the JBS (as soon as Bush was in office and 9/11 happened she grew up and ceased with the craziness). Back then she was actually trying to infiltrate the Rosicrucians in order to "get the goods" on them and their connections to the "Elite Illuminati Families".

When I was in High School the father of a friend of mine was a Bircher, he was also the Libertarian candidate who consistently ran against the Republican Congressional incumbent for the district. I heard a lot of whacked out bullshit about "Them"® from him as well.

74 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:45:13pm

re: #72 Danny

I really hope that video leads to arrests. You simply can not threaten to kill people for blasphemy in a modern country.

75 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:45:40pm

re: #73 ArchangelMichael

The JBS also has a bug up their ass about the Rosicrucian Order. I knew someone who in their younger and crazier years was in the JBS (as soon as Bush was in office and 9/11 happened she grew up and ceased with the craziness). Back then she was actually trying to infiltrate the Rosicrucians in order to "get the goods" on them and their connections to the "Elite Illuminati Families".

When I was in High School the father of a friend of mine was a Bircher, he was also the Libertarian candidate who consistently ran against the Republican Congressional incumbent for the district. I heard a lot of whacked out bullshit about "Them"® from him as well.

Of course someone who believes in the Illuminati believes in the RO. That whole ball of craziness is intertwined.

76 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:26pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The big advantage to British muslim extreeemists is that you can understand most of what they say without subtitles.

77 bosforus  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:32pm

Just hit up the tip jar. I encourage all to do the same. Now it's time for my weekend!
peace

78 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:46:48pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I really hope that video leads to arrests. You simply can not threaten to kill people for blasphemy in a modern country.

Won't those Muslims shriek that they're being persecuted?

79 Bagua  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:48:57pm

This is just the sort of thing the Home Office was trying to prevent by banning Wilders from visiting.

80 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:50:13pm

re: #79 Bagua

Denial is great within a family, it does not work within a country.

Once you start banning everything that offends someone, you end up with 1984.

81 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:50:35pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Presidents have been encouraging people to volunteer for a long time. Not all of Obama's plans are great but he has the right general idea and it's not significantly different than what other presidents from both parties have done in the past.

I can't recall specifically - but it seems to me GWB's push for "faith-based initiatives" must have included some "volunteerism" efforts.

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:53:46pm

Here's video of the speeches...
San Francisco Tea Party August, 2009

Fascism! Dictators! Michelle and Obama are going to change our traditions!

83 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:54:58pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

As I recall Bush really expanded the Americorps program as soon as he got into office.

84 jdog29  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:58:58pm

OT
Physicists calulate exact number of alternate universe within the multiverse. 10^10^16 is the number of existing alternate universes, but they think if they had better equipment they might be able to distinguish as many as 10^10^10^7.

85 Bagua  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 3:59:56pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

'British' muslims threaten Geert Wilders With Death

British muslims is far too general a term for that lot, they are from a small sub-set.

86 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:00:58pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

As I recall Bush really expanded the Americorps program as soon as he got into office.

This article from 2002 says that ". . . House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.) blasted President Bush's plan to expand a federally funded volunteer program yesterday, vowing to block it from becoming law.

This article from Think Progress in 2007 says Bush cut funding in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08.

87 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:02:28pm

re: #84 jdog29

OT
Physicists calulate exact number of alternate universe within the multiverse. 10^10^16 is the number of existing alternate universes, but they think if they had better equipment they might be able to distinguish as many as 10^10^10^7.

What? I still haven't comprehended the 11 dimensions in String theory and membrane collisions causing the Big Bang...
alternate Universes don't exist cause they can't be proved..
Don't mess with my scientific dogma dude..
*wink*

88 jdog29  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:06:04pm

re: #87 HoosierHoops

What? I still haven't comprehended the 11 dimensions in String theory and membrane collisions causing the Big Bang...
alternate Universes don't exist cause they can't be proved..
Don't mess with my scientific dogma dude..
*wink*

Yeah, I'd hate to have to spend my life learning about all those universes only to have someone come up 20 years from now and tell me they don't exist.//

I don't even know how many planets to tell my children there are. Pluto let me down and I haven't been the same since.//

89 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:06:19pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

Hmmm...I'm a little suspicious of think progress' number because all of their links are to proposals. If those proposals were amended or passed I don't know. Looks like Bush had plans to expand Americorps but looks like maybe he got derailed. Either way, it seems to be a good program to me.

90 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:07:00pm

re: #33 Charles

I need to do some housework, so I only had time to browse one thread. Here's what stood out to me:

Hyperventilating Posts
[Link: hotair.com...]

Marxman-Whackey is an America-killing POS that should get its sponsors thrown in jail for the unbelievable fraud they are trying to perpetrate on our nation. This is sheer insanity, regardless of how unfair the distribution among states is.

America seems unable to recognize obvious attacks on our very existence.

[Link: hotair.com...]

STOP CONGRESSIONAL EMISSIONS FIRST!!!

* Polluted stimulus bill kills economy

* Polluted health care bill kills us

” Polluted energy bill kills civilization

Impeachment / NWO
[Link: hotair.com...]

IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! Before he signs the treaty in Copenhagen ceding our sovereignty to a one world government/order. Has anyone else seen or heard more about this?

Civil War
[Link: hotair.com...]

One of those politically incorrect theories no longer taught in public schools was that our Civil War was brought about in part by Southern states dislike of paying taxes for Norther states’ industrial growth.

[Link: hotair.com...]

This one will be the War of Washington Aggression.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Mark my words on this – ain’t gonna happen. I’ll say this right now I will never obey even the most common sense law that is dictated by a foriegn power to me. Any man who comes to my house to force me to obey a foriegn power will get a face load of buckshot. Fair warning.

The constitution makes the United States Soveriegn. If they want to make a one world government – they have to repeal the constitution.

They can have some fun with that. They’ll lose half the states in the union if they try it.

91 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:15:13pm

re: #65 Charles

Sure enough -- the Freedom Coalition links page: Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, John Birch Society, and a host of other crazies:

[Link: www.freedomcoalition.com...]

The book shown (for sale) on the bottom of the right sidebar is written by a major Bircher, G. Edward Griffin, and it is antisemitic. Ron Paul recommends it.

92 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:19:23pm

re: #88 jdog29

Yeah, I'd hate to have to spend my life learning about all those universes only to have someone come up 20 years from now and tell me they don't exist.//

I don't even know how many planets to tell my children there are. Pluto let me down and I haven't been the same since.//

I wish it wasn't Friday night cause Ludwig would be here to join us. But there is a delicious Conspiracy going on right now in Physics...It's better than the shooter on the grassy knoll...It concerns the speed of light..Just last year scientist have been successful in actually slowing down the speed of light through a medium...It has been theorized and wickedly contented against. ( huge war) at the big bang the speed of light through the density of expansion traveled at a different speed than today...It throws everything we know about expansion and the speed of light out the window.
And it kind of makes sense..Cause every law says that after a explosion things slow down not speed up as our observations are showing...
The universe is expanding faster.. But this Theory says we are measuring light at a different speed than it was at that period...
Here here is what will get a crazed physicist breaking down your door with a shotgun..
Light is slowing down..ever so slightly and it has from the beginning of time..

93 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:20:26pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Heavy.

94 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:25:53pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Wow. So, to paraphrase Heisenberg, not only does God play dice, sometimes He changes the speed of light just to mess with ya, Albert.

95 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:26:21pm

re: #84 jdog29

Those physics speculations are beyond the ream of practicality if you ask me, and in addition "universe" means everything & "alternate universe" or "multiverse" are absurd terms.

Plus, pi is an ugly number.

Just my opinion for a Friday afternoon.

96 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:26:47pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

Heavy.

LOL
It makes sense.. Everybody knows that light can't escape the gravity of a black hole..just can't..
imagine the whole universe's mass the size of a small point suddenly expanding..The speed of Light will be seriously effected during the big bang...
/ The Dodgers won so I turned to science in my sorrow..I'll be ok soon..Really Sharm...*wink*

97 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:27:48pm

I've been thinking about the war of words and deeds between FOX News and the President. We know that FOX is no friend of the President, but this is not the first time that Barack Obama has declared war on media he feels is unfriendly. It was just under a year ago that he booted some newspapers that he considered unfriendly off his campaign plane and replaced them with two Chicago newspapers that were presumably more friendly to Candidate Obama.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

I am disappointed that as President, Mr. Obama has chosen the undignified stance that is no different than that of Candidate Obama. I think it's whiny and beneath him. I'm sure some will be angry at me for feeling this way, but I think the President should take a lesson from his predecessor, who suffered much worse treatment from a VERY hostile media, but handled it with dignity worthy of his office.

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:29:29pm

Nine hate mails so far today, including two from a psycho who likes to use proxy IPs to get around IP blocks. 25 hate mails in the last three days.

All the hate mails come through the contact form, because they think they can be anonymous that way.

Even at the height of LGF's anti-radical left and anti-radical Islam posts, I never got close to this much hate mail. And not even the worst leftist/Islamist hate mail compared to the sheer ugliness and hatred I'm getting from right wingers.

99 abbyadams  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:00pm

re: #90 simoom

*bangs head off table*

Lovely candidates, there.

100 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:27pm

re: #36 Charles

Meanwhile, there are still some real assholes at Daily Kos:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Agreed. Keep the faith, Charles.

101 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:36pm

re: #96 HoosierHoops

imagine the whole universe's mass the size of a small point suddenly expanding..The speed of Light will be seriously effected during the big bang...

These are logical constructs & subject to revision as more info comes in.

Some of the deductions seem pretty far fetched to me at the moment.

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:30:53pm

re: #97 _RememberTonyC

FLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.

103 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:31:53pm

ooops...
re: #97 _RememberTonyC

FLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.

104 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:31:56pm

re: #98 Charles

Nine hate mails so far today, including two from a psycho who likes to use proxy IPs to get around IP blocks. 25 hate mails in the last three days.

All the hate mails come through the contact form, because they think they can be anonymous that way.

Even at the height of LGF's anti-radical left and anti-radical Islam posts, I never got close to this much hate mail. And not even the worst leftist/Islamist hate mail compared to the sheer ugliness and hatred I'm getting from right wingers.


Sometimes you can measure a person's worthiness by looking at their "enemies." You will be around when they have self destructed.

105 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:32:08pm

re: #98 Charles

Ill bodings for the country, Charles.

Good to shine light (at whatever speed it is going) on them.

106 jdog29  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:32:59pm

Yeah, I saw something about that involving dark energy. The scientist used an apple he threw up into the air and demonstrated as the apple came to a halt at the top of the arc it then began accelerating again going back down.

The great divide was between those who thought the universe(s) were on the small area where the apple would be accelerating up out of the hand, (big bang) and those who thought the universe(s) would definitely be on the downward acceleration AND what would be the terminal velocity, if you will, in space.

I think terminal velocity would, of necessity be just shy of the speed of light. However, if the speed of light is slowing down, as is theorized, then how much faster would the speed of light have been just a few billion years ago and what would that do to calculations concerning the age of the universe(s)?

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:33:49pm

For those few who are still in denial about the racial aspect to the Tea Parties...
Obama NOLA Townhall Outside Pt. 14

108 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:34:03pm

re: #105 Ojoe

Ill bodings for the country, Charles.

Good to shine light (at whatever speed it is going) on them.

I would love to get an answer from these people to just one question:

How do you think your utterly deranged anger at Charles Johnson and LGF going to STOP THE GOP TRAINWRECK?

109 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:35:15pm

re: #94 Dar ul Harb

Wow. So, to paraphrase Heisenberg, not only does God play dice, sometimes He changes the speed of light just to mess with ya, Albert.

I never bought into Heisenberg.. Just because you can not observe the state of an atom...Currently..Doesn't make it so..We don't have the tools to observe Atomic activity right now..It's not by chance static activity of the atom in unknown...We just don't understand it...It's certainly not by trillions of possible states available just because we decide to observe it at a given moment..
Otherwise I could morph into Shaq at any given moment...Depending on state..
I am a heretic...

110 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:08pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

ooops...
re: #97 _RememberTonyC

FLASHBACK: Fox News Supported Bush White House’s War Against NBC
I think your memory is selective. I recall Bush was pretty hostile to the media in general.


The media picked many fights with Bush over his 8 years in office. Erin Burnett of CNBC called him a "monkey" on the air. Bush may have had issues with NBC, but he didn't go through this repeated public whining, and certainly he didn't do it after just 9 months in office. Dubya's skin was far thicker than "44's" appears to be.

111 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:15pm

re: #109 HoosierHoops

I think my tomcat turns into Finvarra when I am not looking.

112 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:36:37pm

re: #98 Charles

Well I suspect part of the difference in vitriol is that the lefties never felt a sense of betrayal from "losing you from their side."

Especially at the same time they've "lost the country."

113 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

I would love to get an answer from these people to just one question:

How do you think your utterly deranged anger at Charles Johnson and LGF going to STOP THE GOP TRAINWRECK?

Sadly, they think they are stopping the trainwreck by getting rid of the RINOs.

114 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:37:46pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

ooops...

You suck. ;)

115 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:38:56pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Sadly, they think they are stopping the trainwreck by getting rid of the RINOs.

Sadly, you are absolutely correct, imo

116 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:39:57pm

Daily Show makes fun of GOP.com, compares Steele to "Clippy."

117 abbyadams  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:41:24pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

ENTHUSIASTIC upding. That was some classic Jon Stewart.

118 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:41:44pm

re: #110 _RememberTonyC

Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.

119 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:42:10pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

Indeed.

120 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #7 reine.de.tout

The Onion did the Grilling!

121 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:44:45pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

The Onion did the Grilling!

well . . . howdy there!

122 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:46:03pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Daily Show makes fun of GOP.com, compares Steele to "Clippy."

"It looks like you're searching for a political party that's having trouble finding relevance."

123 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:47:33pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout
IOU

124 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:47:34pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.


altho that may be true, nobody knows...the elections next year will tell the tale...until then it's mere speculation

125 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:49:29pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Its as if the proverbial bull owned the China shop.

126 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:50:44pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Not actually reading the comments to your link. But the link itself suggests that Gillepsie was "supportive" of freezing out NBC. Did Bush actually do so?

Anita Dunn actually said they are avoiding Fox because of the Sunday show fact check.

Is there a difference?

127 jdog29  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:52:00pm

gotta run lizards, wish me luck trying to stand on my head and learn to gargle marbles. ///

128 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:52:14pm

re: #124 albusteve

Agreed. Just guessing. Last I checked the predictions are that 2010 will make small gains for Republicans. Probably not much.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:53:26pm

re: #126 Univac

Is there a difference?


No, there were plenty of journalists and news agencies that Bush avoid/froze out/dissed/ignored.

130 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:54:09pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

No, there were plenty of journalists and news agencies that Bush avoid/froze out/dissed/ignored.

Which ones?

131 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:54:38pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Yes, the MSM was very hostile to Bush. Obama is no more thin skinned. In fact I suspect that the reason Fox news is being called out by name by the White house is to actually increase Fox's influence with conservatives. Obama and the Dems will have a much easier time if conservatives are spending all their time and energy with Tea Parties, crying fits and investigating ACORN. Fox news is doing a fantastic job distracting conservatives and damaging the GOP with voters.


All fair points. But while that may be Obama's strategy, it doesn't mean it is a good strategy. In fact, I think it's a poor strategy. Number one: it makes the POTUS look very whiny and undignified, which our adversaries are certainly taking note of. Number two: it will motivate FOX to dig even deeper into some of the President's appointments. And FOX may hit paydirt ... legitimate paydirt. FOX has many good reporters. They are far more than beck and Hannity. O'Reilly, for all his bombast and stupidity on SOME issues, is capable of excellent reporting on other subjects. He is no kook. While I think O'Reilly's embrace of beck isn't smart, O'Reilly is not compromised in the ways that beck is and he does have credibility in many circles. Obama is making a big mistake with this strategy, and when FOX does get something of value against one of the POTUS's people, they can expect no mercy. If Obama is smart, he will move quickly to end this pissing war and seize the high ground. As someone more clever than I once said "don't get into a war of words with someone who buys ink by the barrel."

132 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:55:20pm

re: #130 MandyManners

NBC. Link upthread.

133 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:56:10pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Just guessing. Last I checked the predictions are that 2010 will make small gains for Republicans. Probably not much.

I'm not to worried yet about a Bircher in the WH...but I just can't get a pulse for the influence of the far right at this point...all hysteria aside it's just hard to tell at this point...I wonder tho, if it can happen, or something similar...a socon sweep...egads!

134 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:56:36pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

NBC. Link upthread.

Which others?

135 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #64 MandyManners

Birchers are into NWO and the Illuminati hoohah?

Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!

136 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:57:15pm

re: #131 _RememberTonyC

. Number one: it makes the POTUS look very whiny and undignified,


Only to Fox viewers and people who hate him. Most regular people don't care.

137 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:58:53pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

The NBC link in #103, says Gillepsie was "supportive" of a freeze.

Not allowing questions in the briefing room is one thing. Stating that you are not talking to Fox is an entirely different affair.

138 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:59:04pm

re: #134 MandyManners

Which others?

I don't have a comprehensive list. My point is that it's nothing unusual for an administration to be unfriendly with certain reporters or newspapers. It's pointless to try to twist the very normal thing into a giant outrage.

139 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:59:42pm

re: #135 Guanxi88

Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!

I can't remember how I first read about that nonsense. IIRC, it was before 9-11-01.

140 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:34pm

re: #139 MandyManners

I can't remember how I first read about that nonsense. IIRC, it was before 9-11-01.

Me, too. I read my first ever issue of New American in 1991; I worked in the university library, and it was always a hoot when it came in. We never subscribed, but it came all the same.

141 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I don't have a comprehensive list. My point is that it's nothing unusual for an administration to be unfriendly with certain reporters or newspapers. It's pointless to try to twist the very normal thing into a giant outrage.

Oh. I thought you knew of more than one.

142 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:00:53pm

re: #137 Univac

You are free to be outraged by whatever you want but the President is not obliged to go on Fox. It's not outrageous. Fox news is a joke and it's not a real news outlet anymore.

143 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:01:45pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Only to Fox viewers and people who hate him. Most regular people don't care.

I'm not worried so much about regular folks. But the likes of putin, chavez, and the mullahs are taking his measure and this behavior by the President is helping them size him up. And they have to like what they're seeing.

144 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:01:55pm

re: #140 Guanxi88

Me, too. I read my first ever issue of New American in 1991; I worked in the university library, and it was always a hoot when it came in. We never subscribed, but it came all the same.

They had to give it away!

145 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:03:32pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Hey! Not outraged, but do recognize the two situations are different.

CNN: Obama is the best.
FOX: Obama usually sucks.

I'm thinking neither is true, but one is more realistic.

146 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #144 MandyManners

They had to give it away!

On toast.

[looking to replace that other phrase that starts with "in."]

147 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:05:03pm

re: #135 Guanxi88

Sweet merciful mother of Lennon - they were my first introduction to that crap!

If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.

/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.

148 dugmartsch  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:05:05pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Those physics speculations are beyond the ream of practicality if you ask me, and in addition "universe" means everything & "alternate universe" or "multiverse" are absurd terms.

Plus, pi is an ugly number.

Just my opinion for a Friday afternoon.

agreed one million percent.

149 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:06:23pm

re: #146 wrenchwench

On toast.

[looking to replace that other phrase that starts with "in."]

Which is?

150 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:06:41pm

re: #147 CyanSnowHawk

If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.

/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.

angry?...outraged?...hahaha!

151 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:07:29pm

re: #148 dugmartsch

Bucky Fuller was led to his discovery of geodesic domes from the starting point that he did not like the number Pi & thought that nature did not really have that number in it.

Back later.

152 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:09:35pm

Back to watching Baseball Lizards...Yankees vs. Angels
Be well
What do they call a $1250.00 seat at Yankee Stadium?
Half price..
/Rimshot!

153 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:10:59pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

You are free to be outraged by whatever you want but the President is not obliged to go on Fox. It's not outrageous. Fox news is a joke and it's not a real news outlet anymore.

FOX is only the latest target for the President. This is less about FOX than it is about Obama's thin skin and inability to handle not being loved by everyone. In my first post in this thread, I showed evidence that this type of thin skinned behavior has been going on since Obama was still a candidate. Here's the link again ...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

THAT is the issue, FOX is just the latest victim of his whining.

154 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:11:48pm

re: #147 CyanSnowHawk

If Lennon's mother was merciful, she would have insisted on a rubber.

/If I hear Imagine one more time, somebody is going to be imagining no heartbeat.

Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.

155 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:11:56pm

Obama addresses the Fox News audience...
President Obama to critics: Grab a mop — let's get to work!

156 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:09pm

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Back to watching Baseball Lizards...Yankees vs. Angels
Be well
What do they call a $1250.00 seat at Yankee Stadium?
Half price..
/Rimshot!


Hey Hoosier ... do you want the Dodgers to beat the Phils?

157 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:41pm

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

See #153
Grab a mop!

158 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:12:47pm

re: #154 Guanxi88

Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.

please, that's just over the top

159 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:17pm

re: #158 albusteve

please, that's just over the top

I'm exaggerating, for comedic effect. Liked him the best of the Beatles.

160 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:38pm

re: #158 albusteve

please, that's just over the top

He was a clean DFH then?

161 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:13:57pm

re: #154 Guanxi88

Look, just because folk have worn out a song doesn't make Lennon such a bad guy. Yeah, he was a dirty hippy, but he was also a fairly sharp guy.

For crying out loud, don't harsh on my irrational dislikes.
/Can't really call it a hatred

162 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:14:36pm

re: #149 MandyManners

Which is?

in bed

163 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:15:06pm

re: #159 Guanxi88

I'm exaggerating, for comedic effect. Liked him the best of the Beatles.

okay, I put my club down

164 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:15:16pm

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

FOX is only the latest target for the President. This is less about FOX than it is about Obama's thin skin and inability to handle not being loved by everyone. In my first post in this thread, I showed evidence that this type of thin skinned behavior has been going on since Obama was still a candidate. Here's the link again ...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

THAT is the issue, FOX is just the latest victim of his whining.

Remember the threats to arrest critics of BHO in Missouri during the campaign?

165 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:16:46pm

OT: It seems the Tories in the UK are less than thrilled with Glenn Beck, and are wondering if the Right over here has all gone crazy. The article has some very funny viewpoints that are worth reading...

Watching Beck, who sometimes resembles a snake-oil salesman’s dim-witted assistant accidentally promoted to the top job, makes a foreigner wonder just what’s happening to American conservatism. I confess that I find it impossible to determine whether Beck’s show is serious or, as seems more probable, an elaborate practical joke played on his unwitting audience. I don’t want to seem forward or rude, but one can’t help but ask: Have you people lost your minds?

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

166 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:17:17pm

Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama

A St. Louis television station reports — their words — "The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign."

Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining "The Barack Obama Truth Squad."

They mention Jennifer Joyce, St. Louis Circuit Attorney and Bob McCullough, prosecutor for St. Louis County in Missouri.

SNIP

167 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:17:47pm

re: #165 ausador

Heh.

168 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:18:13pm

re: #166 MandyManners

KMOV

[Link: www.kmov.com...]

169 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #166 MandyManners

Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama

A St. Louis television station reports — their words — "The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign."

Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining "The Barack Obama Truth Squad."

They mention Jennifer Joyce, St. Louis Circuit Attorney and Bob McCullough, prosecutor for St. Louis County in Missouri.

SNIP

then there is Mark Lloyd

170 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:07pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

This clip pretty much says, if you aren't helping/with me, get lost!

If that is just rhetoric, that is fine. If he is serious, that is a problem.

What do you think he is doing?

171 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:18pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

See #153
Grab a mop!

did you know I am a registered Democrat?

172 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:19:51pm

Yesterday we reported the following:

St. Louis and Missouri law enforcement are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign.

St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch are threatening to bring libel charges against those who speak out falsely against Barack Obama.
Today, we report the following concerning a statement made by the great Governor of Missouri, Matt Blunt:
Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

SNIP

173 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:20:01pm

re: #156 _RememberTonyC

Hey Hoosier ... do you want the Dodgers to beat the Phils?

Are you kidding? I was raised in Northern California..There is a law that says you must hate The Lakers and Dodgers...I don't write the laws..
And the Yankees? Ha! My favorite AL team is the Red Sox so I have to hate the Yankees..But they are playing the Angels..A SoCal Team...
I am Conflicted...Somebody get the Hoopster a Beer! Stat!

174 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:20:46pm

re: #166 MandyManners

re: #168 MandyManners

re: #170 Univac

re: #172 MandyManners

Nothing to see here, folks. Nope, nothing at all.

175 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:19pm

re: #171 _RememberTonyC

did you know I am a registered Democrat?

worse yet, a Patriots fan

176 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:37pm

re: #172 MandyManners

That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.

177 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:21:57pm

re: #164 MandyManners

Remember the threats to arrest critics of BHO in Missouri during the campaign?

I really am trying to speak truth about Obama without being a jerk. His incredible need to be loved, and his anger when he is not, shows a very poor aspect of his character. And it is something that can definitely be exploited and manipulated by foes and people who he thinks are his friends but are not. But it is hard to articulate this to those who see any criticism of Obama as "hatred."

178 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:18pm

re: #170 Univac

This clip pretty much says, if you aren't helping/with me, get lost!

If that is just rhetoric, that is fine. If he is serious, that is a problem.

What do you think he is doing?

I think he had a great line (written for him) and used it but I do think he's fairly serious about it. He is the president and there's a lot of stuff to do. There's no need to waste his time dealing with people who aren't going to help anyways. We all deal with this in daily life. There are some people that just aren't worth trying to deal with. The effort vs return ratio doesn't make it worthwhile.

179 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:48pm

re: #176 Charles

That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.

He didn't direct or coordinate any of it, but it happened all the same.

180 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:22:50pm

DENVER -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign organized its supporters Wednesday night to confront Tribune-owned WGN-AM in Chicago for having a critic of the Illinois Democrat on its air. (Listen to the interview.)

"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears," Obama's campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. "He's currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers."

Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the National Review that looked at Obama's ties to Ayers, a former 1960s radical who later emerged as a school reform advocate in Chicago.

The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.

SNIP

On Wednesday evening, Obama's campaign urged supporters to call the radio station to complain.

"Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse," the note said.

"It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves," the note continued. "At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz's lies."

Zack Christenson, executive producer of "Extension 720 with Milt Rosenburg," said the response was strong.

"I would say this is the biggest response we've ever got from a campaign or a candidate," he said. "This is really unprecedented with the show, the way that people are flooding the calls and our email boxes."

Christenson said the Obama campaign was asked to have someone appear on the show and declined the request.


SNIP

181 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:23:18pm

re: #179 Guanxi88

He didn't direct or coordinate any of it, but it happened all the same.

So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:24:06pm

re: #169 albusteve

then there is Mark Lloyd

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Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

183 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:24:41pm

re: #176 Charles

That's a very old story, and it came to nothing. It turned out that Obama had nothing to do with it.

I did not know that.

184 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:00pm

re: #172 MandyManners
There's been a lot of BS floating around since the election...
Attacking Obama's Missouri ‘Truth Squad’

185 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:30pm

re: #181 Charles

So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.

There's nothing to get me on - he doesn't have much to do with these freelancers one way or the other. It's odd that support for the man should spill over into actions like these, but there it is. He's not on the hook for it, no one says he is or should be.

186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:25:58pm

re: #171 _RememberTonyC

did you know I am a registered Democrat?

Good, then you've already been issued a socialist mop. Get to work.

187 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:26:19pm

I wrote more than one post at LGF calling on George W. Bush to stand up and confront his critics. I still think it was a big mistake for him to let so many of the worst smears go unanswered. Barack Obama appears to have learned that political lesson.

It's no longer a good idea to just try to ignore this stuff, in the Internet age when smears and falsehoods can propagate across the world at the speed of light. Bush made a bad decision to ignore the smears and hope they'd just go away, just like I was mistaken when I used to believe that I could allow total free speech in the comments at LGF and just count on the community to police itself. It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

188 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:26:26pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

There's been a lot of BS floating around since the election...
Attacking Obama's Missouri ‘Truth Squad’

This was from before the election.

189 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:27:14pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Please read it.

190 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:27:25pm

re: #169 albusteve

then there is Mark Lloyd

Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

191 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:28:44pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Please read it.

I've read it before.

192 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:29:09pm

re: #187 Charles

I wrote more than one post at LGF calling on George W. Bush to stand up and confront his critics. I still think it was a big mistake for him to let so many of the worst smears go unanswered. Barack Obama appears to have learned that political lesson.

It's no longer a good idea to just try to ignore this stuff, in the Internet age when smears and falsehoods can propagate across the world at the speed of light. Bush made a bad decision to ignore the smears and hope they'd just go away, just like I was mistaken when I used to believe that I could allow total free speech in the comments at LGF and just count on the community to police itself. It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

I was just thinking that first part. Hadn't tied it to that second part yet, but it's true.

193 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:30:26pm

Does anyone know what happened to this story?

[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

194 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:31:09pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I think he had a great line (written for him) and used it but I do think he's fairly serious about it. He is the president and there's a lot of stuff to do. There's no need to waste his time dealing with people who aren't going to help anyways. We all deal with this in daily life. There are some people that just aren't worth trying to deal with. The effort vs return ratio doesn't make it worthwhile.

I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.

195 dugmartsch  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:05pm

re: #151 Ojoe

Bucky Fuller was led to his discovery of geodesic domes from the starting point that he did not like the number Pi & thought that nature did not really have that number in it.

Back later.

I figured that was a bucky fuller reference but i didnt want to jump the gun. Some people think of him as the socialists nuttier cousin. I've always thought of myself as a synergeticist. I never knew that so many trashy self help/corporate help books were going to be written destroying the word synergy when i was first getting into him, though.

196 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Good, then you've already been issued a socialist mop. Get to work.


call my shop steward, pal ...

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:42pm

re: #194 Univac

I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.

I also recall that Bush was said to have an OVERWHELMING mandate. It's irrelevent. No matter how many folks voted for you, you have to take us all in the deal.

198 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:32:54pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Are you kidding? I was raised in Northern California..There is a law that says you must hate The Lakers and Dodgers...I don't write the laws..
And the Yankees? Ha! My favorite AL team is the Red Sox so I have to hate the Yankees..But they are playing the Angels..A SoCal Team...
I am Conflicted...Somebody get the Hoopster a Beer! Stat!

anyone but NY and philly ... sadly that leaves LA and LA ... a Hoosier nightmare

199 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #194 Univac

I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.

The electoral vote for Obama/Biden was a complete landslide over McCain/Palin:

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Obama/Biden 365
McCain/Palin 173

200 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:08pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications

201 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:09pm

Some Democrats, Minority Groups Question Net Neutrality

I've been laughing at Republican politicians a lot, lately. My fellow Democrats are the ones who've actually been making me angry.

202 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:55pm

re: #175 albusteve

worse yet, a Patriots fan


a registered democrat, but a "Ronald Reagan" version. I vote mostly Dem locally and mostly Repub in the presidential elections. I balance my action ...

203 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:34:56pm

re: #33 Charles

Some more ~

From a Greenroom Post:
[Link: hotair.com...]

I could go on, literally for days. The point, however, is that the Progressive Movement has found their St. Michael, and they are moving forward with their agenda at warp speed. Knowing their agenda is one part of our battle, and one cannot know their agenda without knowing the history of the Progressives. In a nutshell:

Individualism – OUT
Capitalism – OUT
Private Property – OUT
Inalienable Rights – OUT
Freedom of Thought – OUT
Constitutional Limits on Government – That has been gone.

Today’s Progressive movement has been joined by another movement, that is related, but is more of a new sprout in the same pot. The Communitarian Movement. The Communitarians are after nothing less than a One World Order, and through a program called Agenda 21, which has spread to 177 countries, is making that happen.

And more comments:
[Link: hotair.com...]

The Left is already fully committed to its final solution for the “problem of dissent”, i.e., the extermination of conservatism. They will not stop unless we stop them. We need to fight, remorselessly.

//Godwin

[Link: hotair.com...]

This Nobel was nothing but an affirmative action joke, just like The Precedent, himself, and no one with any sense of decency would vote for him to go collect it – unless it was with a one-way ticket and he was disallowed from ever returning. Let him go to Indonesia, where his third world style of governing is more in line with their sensibilities.

[Link: hotair.com...]

TR waited until he was out of office to accept the prize.

I’m all for Osama Obama doing the same. He can take the money back to Kenya with him and help his brother and all the other suckers over there who believed in him.

Of course if he’s still in office by, say, the end of this year, the monetary value of the prize (at least in dollars) will be nil.

[Link: hotair.com...]

If it’s one thing American’s don’t like – it’s someone getting something that they didn’t work to earn. Well here it is – Ogabe!

//recycling Limbaugh's "Barack Ogabe" Slur

204 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #200 albusteve

no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications

Links?

205 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:48pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Lloyd on Chavez:

"In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution - a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela.

"The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled - worked, frankly, with folks here in the U.S. government - worked to oust him. But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.

"And we've had complaints about this ever since."

Nice "Chief Diversity Officer" we have there at the FCC.

Hi Mandy!

206 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #203 simoom

Just think what you could do if it weren't for housework!

Nice job.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:36:52pm

re: #203 simoom

You seem to have found your calling. We salute you. I can't read that stuff in bulk without hyperventilating.

208 abbyadams  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:17pm

re: #194 Univac

I think Cheney must have missed that memo:

'President Bush ran forthrightly on a clear agenda for this nation's future, and the nation responded by giving him a mandate,

And the vote was, as Charles pointed out, much different in 2008 than in 2004.

209 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:46pm

Prodigy - Their Law (live)

210 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:37:48pm

re: #200 albusteve

no big deal...after all Tim Geithner runs Treasury...his record with finance is worse than Lloyds is with communications

He started at the Fed in New York in 2003.

211 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:38:18pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

'Sup?

212 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:38:20pm

re: #204 MandyManners

Links?

just bloviating about our tax cheat secretary

213 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:38:23pm

re: #181 Charles

So ... he didn't direct it or coordinate it, but you're going to blame him for it anyway. Gotcha.


The Chicago Way ...

The "Boss" never leaves fingerprints.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:49pm

re: #211 MandyManners

'Sup?

Wife & kids took my mom to Colonial Williamsburg for the weekend. Peace & quiet for 3 days! Woo Hoo!!

215 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:51pm

re: #198 _RememberTonyC

anyone but NY and philly ... sadly that leaves LA and LA ... a Hoosier nightmare


OMG!
I can't believe it may happen this year.. The batter of LA
/The good thing might be all the camera shots of Stars in the Stands...
Jack Nickelson in his sunglasses.. Linsay Lohan passing out and falling into the field during the 6th inning...Kobe making out with the beer girl...
I mean..There may be an upside to a LA world Series

216 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:39:56pm

re: #203 simoom

Agenda 21.

[Link: www.un.org...]

217 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:40:29pm

re: #212 albusteve

just bloviating about our tax cheat secretary

Mr. Turbotax?

218 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:40:43pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

Wife & kids took my mom to Colonial Williamsburg for the weekend. Peace & quiet for 3 days! Woo Hoo!!

Enjoy!

219 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:41:12pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

Lloyd on Chavez:

"In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution - a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela.

"The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled - worked, frankly, with folks here in the U.S. government - worked to oust him. But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.

"And we've had complaints about this ever since."

Nice "Chief Diversity Officer" we have there at the FCC.

Hi Mandy!

And who is Samantha Power, and who is her husband?

220 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:41:49pm

re: #215 HoosierHoops

OMG!
I can't believe it may happen this year.. The batter of LA
/The good thing might be all the camera shots of Stars in the Stands...
Jack Nickelson in his sunglasses.. Linsay Lohan passing out and falling into the field during the 6th inning...Kobe making out with the beer girl...
I mean..There may be an upside to a LA world Series

Maybe new Laker Ron Artest can start a fight on the field at Dodger Stadium ... just trash the place :)

221 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #203 simoom

I like the NWO comment.

223 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:14pm

This is just strange...
the Power of (Gordon) Ramsey

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:25pm

OT, but hilarious. For all my feminist lizards out there--this includes the boy lizards too: Tips For Preventing Sexual Assault.

225 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:44:32pm

The Roches - Hammond Song

226 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:45:41pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Mr. Turbotax?

the same...Turbo Tim

227 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:45:46pm

What is everyone's opinion of Mark Levin? IMHO he has a unique "bombastic but intelligent" style that makes for great radio. He has not spewed the kind of insanity like the becks and buchanans of the world. He can't stand Obama, but his level of intelligence is WAY up there for a talk radio host.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:49:34pm

re: #227 _RememberTonyC

What is everyone's opinion of Mark Levin? IMHO he has a unique "bombastic but intelligent" style that makes for great radio. He has not spewed the kind of insanity like the becks and buchanans of the world. He can't stand Obama, but his level of intelligence is WAY up there for a talk radio host.

I love listening to Mark. I like the way he takes complex issues and puts them into context so they are easy to understand so even I know whats going on. I don't always agree with him but he is entertaining.

229 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:52:19pm

re: #194 Univac

I recall that Bush did not have a mandate, since only 51% voted for him. Why should Obama have a mandate with only a 52% vote. This seems pretty much a 50/50 type event. He is not just the president of those who agree with him, he is the president of the entire USA.

Atlas of Election Results:

2000 - Bush 47.8%, Gore 48.3% (Bush won by electoral college votes, not the popular vote)
2004 Bush 50.7%, Kerry 47.2%
2008 - Obama 52.8%, McCain 45.6%

230 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:54:43pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks!

Didja see this one?

Inspired by Saul Alinsky, FCC 'Diversity' Chief Calls for ‘Confrontational Movement’ to Give Public Broadcasting Dominant Role in Communications


In the book, Lloyd also said that public broadcasting should be funded through new license fees charged to the nation’s private radio and television broadcasters, and that new regulatory fees should be used to fund eight new regional FCC offices.

SNIP

“Neither Progressive era reforms nor new communications technologies have been able to correct the problems resulting from government abdication of a responsibility to advance the equal capability of citizen discourse,” Lloyd added.

“Corporate liberty has overwhelmed citizen equality,” he wrote.

Government, Lloyd said in his book, is the “only” institution that can manage the communications of the public, arguing that Washington must “ensure” that everyone has an equal ability to communicate.


SNIP

Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.

232 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:12pm

Good Evening LGF.

233 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:46pm

re: #226 albusteve

the same...Turbo Tim

Paulson liked him and Paulson is hardly a Liberal.

234 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:50pm

re: #230 MandyManners

In the book, Lloyd also said that public broadcasting should be funded through new license fees charged to the nation’s private radio and television broadcasters, and that new regulatory fees should be used to fund eight new regional FCC offices.

SNIP

“Neither Progressive era reforms nor new communications technologies have been able to correct the problems resulting from government abdication of a responsibility to advance the equal capability of citizen discourse,” Lloyd added.

“Corporate liberty has overwhelmed citizen equality,” he wrote.

Government, Lloyd said in his book, is the “only” institution that can manage the communications of the public, arguing that Washington must “ensure” that everyone has an equal ability to communicate.

SNIP

Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.

Just don't call him a radical, and don't dare try to tie what he's doing with the one who appointed him.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:54pm

re: #219 Guanxi88

And who is Samantha Power, and who is her husband?

It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.

236 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:55:57pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Agenda 21.

[Link: www.un.org...]

Thanks for the link.

Before putting up my previous post I did a quick google search for: "agenda 21" "conspiracy theory". All I got was a long string of NWO, Illuminati, Bircher, Truther, apocalyptic nonsense and gave up reading after half-a-dozen links. I then tried wikipedia and read a brief article on the program.

237 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:27pm

re: #232 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening LGF.

Good evening, Spare O'Lake.

238 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:29pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.

Shhh! Ixnay on the adicalismray.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:56:35pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Did you get my contact about your pipes?

240 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:02pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Did you get my contact about your pipes?

Fort Worth, was it?

241 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:03pm

re: #220 _RememberTonyC

Maybe new Laker Ron Artest can start a fight on the field at Dodger Stadium ... just trash the place :)

I don't like Ron.. NY street thug..I'll give him props..
That man can play serious defense..He is relentless..He is a stud off the ball..
In person..I have seen few that can match his intensity on the court..
Celtics need to improve defense to beat them this year.. If KG is healthy we have a chance..
/You heard the story of Artist walking into the shower naked to talk to Kobe about winning a world championship right?
This guy ain't right...We have no idea of the intensity these guys operate at..
This isn't play school...They play to win..
/Our only hope is if that they run out of H1N1 vaccines for the Lakers during the playoffs.

242 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:33pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Just don't call him a radical, and don't dare try to tie what he's doing with the one who appointed him.

No wonder he likes Chavez. Eight new FCC offices?!

243 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:57:58pm

re: #240 Guanxi88

Fort Worth, was it?

Your blog thingy.

244 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:59:21pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)

From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?

245 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:59:31pm

re: #230 MandyManners

Sounds like a backdoor to the Fairness Doctrine.

He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.

246 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:59:56pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Yep, just now I did.

247 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:00:11pm

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.

Look for the buzzwords of local control and diversity.

249 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:03:00pm

re: #242 MandyManners

No wonder he likes Chavez. Eight new FCC offices?!

Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...

I can dream right?

250 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:03:50pm

re: #244 Univac

You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)

From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?

What I found was the actual election results, not any sort of polling. Or, I don't understand your question.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:04:30pm

re: #249 McSpiff

Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...

I can dream right?

Sort of like breaking up Ma Bell.

252 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:31pm

re: #241 HoosierHoops

I don't like Ron.. NY street thug..I'll give him props..
That man can play serious defense..He is relentless..He is a stud off the ball..
In person..I have seen few that can match his intensity on the court..
Celtics need to improve defense to beat them this year.. If KG is healthy we have a chance..
/You heard the story of Artist walking into the shower naked to talk to Kobe about winning a world championship right?
This guy ain't right...We have no idea of the intensity these guys operate at..
This isn't play school...They play to win..
/Our only hope is if that they run out of H1N1 vaccines for the Lakers during the playoffs.

Artest is mentally ill ... I am totally serious. You'll not see this on TV, but he is bipolar and takes medication. When they had the brawl a few years ago in Detroit, Crazy Ron was off his meds because he said they made him sluggish. He has been monitored more closely in the recent past, and while he is still super intense, he is taking his medication. Truly a scary dude. Boston and LA will meet in the Finals. KG and perkins looked great the other night when I saw them in hartford. 'Sheed is a great "get' for them. Celts will pace themselves in the regular season and win 55-57 games, which should get them #2 in the east.

253 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:47pm

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

He's such a fan of Hugo Chavez so that wouldn't surprise me.

BO got elected POTUS, the most unlikely political coup in my lifetime...after that I believe just about anything can happen...it's funny that the very people who predicted the Town Hall screamers would inspire violence and civil strife, deny that the Fairness Doctrine could ever come to pass...

254 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:05:58pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Sort of like breaking up Ma Bell.

My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)

255 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:06:09pm

re: #249 McSpiff

Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...

I can dream right?

You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?

256 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:12pm

re: #250 reine.de.tout

These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.

I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.

257 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #255 MandyManners

You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?


Fuck no

258 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:07:31pm

re: #249 McSpiff

Could this possibly allow for more localized control of the FCC? Maybe the next wardrobe malfunction outrage will be localized to just one corner of the country...

I can dream right?

When a thing is handled by the FEDERAL dept of or commission of or whatever, it generally means less local control.

259 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:09:13pm

re: #254 McSpiff

My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)

Depends how you look at it. When Ma Bell was broken up, a lot of new phone companies wew created and we had competition. I don't know if breaking up the FCC into pieces is a good idea though. It would grow the government even more.

260 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:09:29pm

re: #256 Univac

These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.

I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.

There is no way that Obama has a mandate.
A date with Michelle maybe, but not a mandate.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:10pm

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

Fuck no

Don't be so shy!

262 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:11pm

re: #256 Univac

mandate or no, he has the white house and majorities in both houses of congress. If only republicans would just get out of his way and stop obstructing him, I'm sure there's no limit to the great good things he could bring to pass.

Like Tinkerbell, though, everyone has to believe in what he's proposing, or it's unfair.

263 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:52pm

more government control of the media is bad Bad BAD. A slippery slope we should all be terrified of.

264 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:10:57pm

re: #254 McSpiff

My gut says "Exactly!", but I'm younger than most here. I've always heard that the Ma Bell breakup was good... am I correct? or was that your way of saying "You're nuts" ;-)

This is not the same. Ma Bell was a private company. The FCC is not.

265 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:37pm

re: #255 MandyManners

You like the thought of government having more control of the media? Of television and radio broadcasters having to pay more taxes?

I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.

tl;dr:

I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.

266 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:38pm

re: #256 Univac

These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.

I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.

he certainly does and of his own making...hope and change, transparency, post racial, a necessary war, unclenching the ME...etc, it all adds up...he won by 7 points, no small thing...if there ever was a mandate, he talked himself into his own very fantasy world

267 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:42pm

re: #261 MandyManners

Don't be so shy!

CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK?

268 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:11:51pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Bachmann and the Turnip concoct new ACORN-Community Reinvestment Act conspiracy theory (video)

Turnip? I thought he was the Silver Gopher.

269 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:12:40pm

re: #262 Guanxi88

The whole concept of "not mandate" suggests there are a "lot" of people who don't think what Obama is trying to do is all good!

270 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:12:46pm

re: #265 McSpiff

I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.

tl;dr:

I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.

The states already have regulators of common carriers.

271 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:13:06pm

re: #267 _RememberTonyC

CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK?

HEY!...OVER HERE!--->

272 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:13:55pm

re: #267 _RememberTonyC

CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK?

Not tonight but, thanks!

273 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:21pm

re: #271 albusteve

HEY!...OVER HERE!--->

BARTENDER ... AFTER I BUY ONE FOR THE BABE, YOU GET ONE FOR STEVE TOO ...

274 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:22pm

re: #269 Univac

The whole concept of "not mandate" suggests there are a "lot" of people who don't think what Obama is trying to do is all good!

Eh, it's a slim peg upon which to hang the argument. Invoking mandates and the will of the people for or against anything is simply appeal to the mob, at worst. At best, it's romanticizing politics. Most every political leader elected has a fairly substantial portion of the electorate arrayed against him.

275 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:50pm

re: #268 Guanxi88

Turnip? I thought he was the Silver Gopher.

Bachmann Turnip Overdrive!

276 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #244 Univac

You were quicker: I used:
[Link: www.archives.gov...]
2008: Electoral: 365 -173 Popular: 52.9% - 45.5% (Obama/McCain)
2004: Electoral: 286 - 251 Popular: 50.8% - 48.3% (Bush/Kerry)
2000: Electoral: 271 -266 Popular: 47.9% - 48.4% (Bush/Gore)

From a popular vote, Obama hardly has a mandate. He certainly has the lead amongst the electoral votes. However, when "they" take polls, are they polling the electoral regions, or the popular vote?

In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.

277 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:14:58pm

re: #273 _RememberTonyC

BARTENDER ... AFTER I BUY ONE FOR THE BABE, YOU GET ONE FOR STEVE TOO ...

tanks bro

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:02pm

re: #268 Guanxi88

Turnip? I thought he was the Silver Gopher.

He's the Town Crier!

279 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:05pm

re: #256 Univac

These are the same results, both electoral & popular.
I wasn't asking a question, just responding to your summary.

I still propose that Obama does not have a mandate.

Well - it could be argued that he does; it could be argued that he doesn't. Either way, the argument for or against it doesn't mean a hill of beans, imo, any more now than it did when I heard it when GWB was President.

A President (like a Governor or a Mayor or any other elected official) cannot do everything that all of his/her constituents want done. He's got to choose A instead of B. And he will do that based on, we hope, the best interests of the country (state, city, whatever the level of jurisdiction we're talking about). And what is in the "best interest" of the country (state, city, whatever) will be determined, in part, by the official's political leanings.

So, the President (Governor, Mayor, whatever) serves the entire country (state, city, whatever) but that doesn't mean that he will make decisions or take action based on anything except what he thinks is best based on his political leanings. It's why this country's separation of powers (executive, legislative, judicial branches) are so important.

Right now, it looks to me like the GOP has fallen apart. Killgore said upthread that he thought there might be some gains for the GOP, but I honestly don't know that that will happen. I hope it does; but the way things are going, there's a whole pool of voters out there that is being turned off by the current antics of the GOP leadership.

280 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:15:13pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Not tonight but, thanks!


Just wanted you to know I wasn't shy ...

281 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:16:06pm

Also the biggest margin in the popular vote.

Hey, but go ahead and keep denying that he won a mandate.

282 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:16:51pm

re: #265 McSpiff

I like the idea that FCC mandates would be regional. Id prefer to see the FCC done at state level, but unfortunately radio waves have a habit of ignoring state lines. So a hybrid regional/national model makes sense to me. So things that generally won't cause interference outside of 100-mile radius handled regionally, maybe through inter-state commissions but at that point federal might just make more sense. While things like shortwave are handled nationally. If a station starts causing inter-regional interference, bump them up to national. If that makes sense.

tl;dr:

I'd like to see state level but I dont think thats practical for radio waves, so localized federal may work best. No new government interference, no new taxes.

"localized federal" does not exist, it is a contradiction in terms.

283 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:19:47pm

I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.

284 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:21:51pm

re: #283 _RememberTonyC

Well, then I'm sure Fox will drive him out of office.
/

285 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:21:56pm

re: #252 _RememberTonyC

Artest is mentally ill ... I am totally serious. You'll not see this on TV, but he is bipolar and takes medication. When they had the brawl a few years ago in Detroit, Crazy Ron was off his meds because he said they made him sluggish. He has been monitored more closely in the recent past, and while he is still super intense, he is taking his medication. Truly a scary dude. Boston and LA will meet in the Finals. KG and perkins looked great the other night when I saw them in hartford. 'Sheed is a great "get' for them. Celts will pace themselves in the regular season and win 55-57 games, which should get them #2 in the east.


Mostly I agree.. but Ron is a wonderful Father...A family guy that never ended up in gunfire at a local strip club in Indiana.
Crazy dude in the head...And on the court..Good luck because with his speed and length and crazy man defense..There are few men in the world that beat him on the court..He can be a monster...Remember when The Pacers lost a game 6 years ago and he punched out every camera on the way to the locker room? Dude is intense..He is crazy...But not insane..
He is a well spoken young man that loves his family..But freaking nuts..
How do you describe him?
/I'm picking him on the playground...He has that crazy look in his eyes..I ain't messing with him..*wink*

286 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:18pm

re: #282 reine.de.tout

"localized federal" does not exist, it is a contradiction in terms.

re: #270 MandyManners

The states already have regulators of common carriers.

I'll just reply to you both in one post. Ideally id like to see the FCC disbanded and turned over to the states. This can be done for everything carried by wires, i.e cable tv and internet. The problem arises with broadcast media. What is done when station A in state Y causes interference to station B in state Z? To me this falls under the inter-state commerce clause, and should be handled by the federal government. However, the odds of a TV station in LA interfering with a TV station in NYC are essentially 0. So, id like to see the Federal CC work with the State CC on these type of cases, essentially having a regional FCC to work with the state CCs to resolve the inter-state but still localized interference issues. For truly nationwide broadcasts such as short wave, these should still be regulated by a Federal CC as they effect all states.

287 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:21pm

re: #276 Charles

re: #279 reine.de.tout

Absolutely he won a landslide in the electoral vote.
He also won the popular vote.

The largest margin in the popular vote means that more people were for him than for the next contender. I believe that Bush did not have a mandate, but I also believe that Obama does not either.

The president rules in the best interest of the people. If half (or less than half) the people disagree with him, he still has the right/responsibility to make the right decision for the country. However, I would expect that he would not make that decision lightly.

288 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:22:22pm

re: #276 Charles

In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.

Landslide? That's not a landslide. These are landslides.

Election 1980

President Ronald Reagan [R]
Main Opponent Jimmy Carter [D]
Electoral Vote Winner: 489
Main Opponent: 49

Total/Majority: 538/270
Popular Vote Winner: 43,904,153
Main Opponent: 35,483,883

Election 1984

President Ronald Reagan [R]
Main Opponent Walter F. Mondale [D]
Electoral Vote Winner: 525
Main Opponent: 13

Total/Majority: 538/270
Popular Vote Winner: 54,455,075
Main Opponent: 37,577,185

289 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #283 _RememberTonyC

I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.

We've talked a lot here about narcissism. Narcissists don't react well.

290 jaunte  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:23:23pm

re: #287 Univac

How are you defining 'mandate?'

291 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:23:54pm

re: #290 jaunte

How are you defining 'mandate?'

However it needs to be defined so that Obama doesn't have one, of course.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:24:12pm

re: #286 McSpiff

I'll just reply to you both in one post. Ideally id like to see the FCC disbanded and turned over to the states. This can be done for everything carried by wires, i.e cable tv and internet. The problem arises with broadcast media. What is done when station A in state Y causes interference to station B in state Z? To me this falls under the inter-state commerce clause, and should be handled by the federal government. However, the odds of a TV station in LA interfering with a TV station in NYC are essentially 0. So, id like to see the Federal CC work with the State CC on these type of cases, essentially having a regional FCC to work with the state CCs to resolve the inter-state but still localized interference issues. For truly nationwide broadcasts such as short wave, these should still be regulated by a Federal CC as they effect all states.

That would add another layer of bureacracy.

293 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:09pm

re: #283 _RememberTonyC

I was surprised nobody responded either way to my comment #177 ... It was my main point about Obama's feuds with unfriendly media. FOX has become the focus, but I see FOX as just the latest target of Obama's ire. But it is Obama's reaction that is more important than what FOX is or is not saying. And that character flaw is the real achilles heel for him as a leader.

for me it all boils down to his decision regarding Afghanistan...since the 13k troop story was false I've little regard for his nearly one year of dithering...I don't give a damn about his spat with Fox...good men are dying over there and I sure hope he comes up with something I can live with...I have my doubts tho

294 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:21pm

re: #287 Univac

re: #279 reine.de.tout

Absolutely he won a landslide in the electoral vote.
He also won the popular vote.

The largest margin in the popular vote means that more people were for him than for the next contender. I believe that Bush did not have a mandate, but I also believe that Obama does not either.

The president rules in the best interest of the people. If half (or less than half) the people disagree with him, he still has the right/responsibility to make the right decision for the country. However, I would expect that he would not make that decision lightly.

Look, I'm not happy about it, but the guy won the election. There's no other definition of a mandate, in our system. He has a mandate - doesn't mean he has to make nice with those who didn't support him, or take their concerns into consideration; doesn't mean he's necessarily ignoring them, either, just that this whole "mandate" thing is pointless to discuss in the context of one who secured the electoral and popular votes by the margins he did.

295 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:25:36pm

re: #276 Charles

In other words, Obama had a landslide in the electoral vote, the biggest margin for the past three elections at least.

It really doesn't matter ... Obama won. People can manipulate numbers any way they want. I may be wrong about this, but I think McCain won more "counties" than Obama, so someone will use THAT as evidence of a lack of a mandate. But McCain's counties had 100,000 residents and the counties Obama won had 1,000,000 or more. It's all BS. You can't reverse history. Obama is the guy that won and those who can't accept that are destined to be very unhappy for a long time.

296 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #292 MandyManners

That would add another layer of bureacracy.

In the worst case it would remain the same as now, in the best case it would be purely a state matter.

297 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:27:15pm

I think that to deny that a Dem President who receives a majority of the popular vote and a majority in the electoral college has received a mandate is a virtually impossible argument to make on the numbers.
The better way to argue that Obama did not receive a mandate for a particular policy or policies would be to show, if possible, that he did not campaign on such policies and therefore the people who voted for him did not give him a mandate to bring in such policies.
This would need to be addressed on an issue by issue basis.

298 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:27:37pm

re: #296 McSpiff

In the worst case it would remain the same as now, in the best case it would be purely a state matter.

It would still be another layer, another chunk of change out of broadcasters' pockets.

299 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:04pm

re: #297 Spare O'Lake

Good luck with that!

300 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:20pm

re: #293 albusteve

The problem is that I'm not sure Obama can get more troops. Are there troops available and can he get funding? Bush's surge in Iraq was a last ditch effort. I'm not sure more troops is a politically viable option right now.

301 jaunte  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:35pm

re: #297 Spare O'Lake

However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.

302 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:46pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Mostly I agree.. but Ron is a wonderful Father...A family guy that never ended up in gunfire at a local strip club in Indiana.
Crazy dude in the head...And on the court..Good luck because with his speed and length and crazy man defense..There are few men in the world that beat him on the court..He can be a monster...Remember when The Pacers lost a game 6 years ago and he punched out every camera on the way to the locker room? Dude is intense..He is crazy...But not insane..
He is a well spoken young man that loves his family..But freaking nuts..
How do you describe him?
/I'm picking him on the playground...He has that crazy look in his eyes..I ain't messing with him..*wink*

I never said he was a bad guy, but he is legitimately ill in the head. But on the court, he is a premier talent at both ends of the court. His biggest contribution will be guarding the other team's best perimeter player so Kobe won't have to. And that means Kobe is gonna be fresher at the offensive end ... VERY bad news for all LA opponents.

303 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:28:58pm

re: #297 Spare O'Lake

I think that to deny that a Dem President who receives a majority of the popular vote and a majority in the electoral college has received a mandate is a virtually impossible argument to make on the numbers.
The better way to argue that Obama did not receive a mandate for a particular policy or policies would be to show, if possible, that he did not campaign on such policies and therefore the people who voted for him did not give him a mandate to bring in such policies.
This would need to be addressed on an issue by issue basis.

Oh, geez! Nobody told me there'd be math!

304 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:16pm

re: #290 jaunte

re: #291 Charles

When I hear "mandate" I think, permission to run amok (and "the people won't complain")

I do not think that Obama has a mandate!

305 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #298 MandyManners

It would still be another layer, another chunk of change out of broadcasters' pockets.

No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.

306 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:43pm

re: #301 jaunte

However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.

Thank the Lord! Issue-by issue voting for the calculation of some sorta issue-by-issue mandate?

307 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:29:49pm

re: #304 Univac

I do not think that Obama has a mandate!

I got that.

308 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #305 McSpiff

No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.

Do you really think the federal government will just go away in this matter?

309 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #290 jaunte

How are you defining 'mandate?'

Well, and the thing is . . . it doesn't matter.
Any President is going to have to decide to do A instead of B.
Half the people will be upset, regardless of what that decision is.
But he's gotta do it, anyhow, otherwise - nothing gets done, and we sit and stew in a morass of indecision, which is worse, by far, imo, than doing something that is less than perfect.

In my opinion, there are some things that we'd be better off if the decision made were to be the decision to leave things alone or do them differently than what's currently proposed (healthcare). Not everyone agrees with that but in the end, a decision will be made (do nothing, do what's proposed, do something else), and as a nation, we will move forward. It's how it is, regardless of whether the President has a "mandate" or not.

310 jaunte  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:31:13pm

re: #306 Guanxi88

Trying to guess in advance what issues might come up over a four-year period would be interesting.

311 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:31:43pm

re: #305 McSpiff

No. If you're a purely in state operation, you're handled by your state's CC. If you will be affecting multiple states you're covered by the FCC.

BTW, that is NOT Lloyd's line of thinking.

312 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #310 jaunte

Trying to guess in advance what issues might come up over a four-year period would be interesting.

Cripes! you'd have to start campaigning decades before the election, just to make sure you'd covered most major issues, and the tallying of the vote and announcement of results would last all the way through til the next election.

313 jaunte  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

There's the essence of having an Executive branch.

314 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:32:52pm

re: #313 jaunte

There's the essence of having an Executive branch.

Or, an Executive, period - business or government.

315 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:26pm

Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the entire Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.

316 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:32pm
317 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:33:52pm

re: #293 albusteve

for me it all boils down to his decision regarding Afghanistan...since the 13k troop story was false I've little regard for his nearly one year of dithering...I don't give a damn about his spat with Fox...good men are dying over there and I sure hope he comes up with something I can live with...I have my doubts tho

Someone who is a real leader will send the troops and fight to win. Someone who is a political hack will be more concerned with how his war plan will affect the next election. That appears to be our fear of Obama. Bash Bush all you want, but give him credit for this much: he went "all in" to do what he thought was the right thing, even when it cost him politically. He had balls enough to go after saddam even when an election was right around the corner in 2004. Obama is less dedicated to beating islamofascism that Bush was. And I hate playing politics with our military when our people are fighting a good fight.

318 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:34:04pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

Actually, I think that a president that will do the right thing, even if the majority (>50% of the people) disagree, is a good president. That is part of leadership. However, if it is against the peoples desires, there should definately be some soul searching involved. That is one of the big reasons why it is tough to be president.

319 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:34:14pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

The problem is that I'm not sure Obama can get more troops. Are there troops available and can he get funding? Bush's surge in Iraq was a last ditch effort. I'm not sure more troops is a politically viable option right now.

that's his problem...he wanted to fight this war, now fight it...maybe he should go on a recruitment campaign...Bush's 'surge' could have come at least a year earlier than it did...he should have told the anti war donks to go fuck themselves...the troops were there all along and dithering costs lives...something BO and uncle Joe still have not figured out...if they don't want to fight and kill Tali's just admit it and withdraw... their record speaks for itself

320 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:36:43pm

re: #318 Univac

Actually, I think that a president that will do the right thing, even if the majority (>50% of the people) disagree, is a good president. That is part of leadership. However, if it is against the peoples desires, there should definately be some soul searching involved. That is one of the big reasons why it is tough to be president.

when?...the clock is ticking...your idealism is palpable

321 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:37:06pm

re: #318 Univac

Of course, I will be upset in the present if I am in the loosing half ;-)

322 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:37:07pm

Wow. The comments for that Malkin post are unbelievably crazy.

323 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:12pm

re: #315 Charles

Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.

You don't agree that this Scozzafava is certainly an atypical pick for a GOP seat? Leave out for a minute Malkin's mobs and their feces-flinging.

324 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:36pm

re: #322 Charles

Wow. The comments for that Malkin post are unbelievably crazy.

are you describing a "blog swarm?"

325 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #321 Univac

Of course, I will be upset in the present if I am in the loosing half ;-)

Hm. Well, I was in that "losing" half once the election results came in. But we have what we have - and I suspect the pressures and responsibilities of this job weighed in on the President really fast, and that he takes the job as seriously as he needs to be taking it.

326 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:38:56pm

re: #299 Charles

Good luck with that!

I would point out that during the campaign Obama was criticized for being a blank slate, a chameleon, a hopenchanger, a candidate who would speak out of both sides of his mouth at the drop of a hat. If those criticisms had validity, then one could argue that his mandate is kind of shaky.
I also think that Obama`s footdragging on a number of promises would leave him open to the charge that his mandate was for speedy change and a new approach in Washington, and so he has no mandate to maintain the status quo.

327 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39:01pm

re: #311 MandyManners

re: #308 MandyManners

O I totally agree that this is not the Dems plan at all. And I dont think the Fed will give up *any* power unless a majority of people demand it. It just worries me that the FCC may be able to make a rule concerning net neutrality and enforce it on businesses that do not engage in any inter-state commerce. Basically id like to cut off the FCC from getting any more power, and I think the best way to do that is to shift some regulatory powers to the states. I also think that regionalizing the FCC to a certain degree could be a starting point, with a structure more similar to the Federal Reserve than the current monolithic FCC.

328 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39:50pm

re: #315 Charles

Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is launching another vicious attack on the RINOs -- by whom she means Newt Gingrich and the entire Republican National Committee, because they're not sufficiently anti-choice for her.

That's nice.

RedState, naturally, is all over this also:

Do the RNC, NRCC, and Dede Scozzafava condone eugenics and sterilization of the poor and minorities?

Erick Erickson runs with this old canard:

I hate to have to ask the question, [oh, really? --ice] but in light of this news broken by Michelle Malkin today, we must.

Scozzafava is the proud recipient of the Margaret Sanger award given by an abortion group in New York.

Margaret Sanger was a noted eugenicist. Though Planned Parenthood, the group Sanger found, denies it, evidence from a variety of sources points out that Sanger was a big supporter of sterilization of minorities.

In 1939, Sanger created the Negro Project, which the left has tried to discredit, but was very much real. Sanger advocated sterilization and abortion for lower income black women.

329 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:09pm

re: #323 Guanxi88

I'm starting to just tune out on the Nontroversy of the Day, sorry.

There's only so much craziness I can be expected to pay attention to.

330 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:25pm

re: #320 albusteve

when?...the clock is ticking...your idealism is palpable

Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!

331 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:40:27pm

re: #327 McSpiff

re: #308 MandyManners

O I totally agree that this is not the Dems plan at all. And I dont think the Fed will give up *any* power unless a majority of people demand it. It just worries me that the FCC may be able to make a rule concerning net neutrality and enforce it on businesses that do not engage in any inter-state commerce. Basically id like to cut off the FCC from getting any more power, and I think the best way to do that is to shift some regulatory powers to the states. I also think that regionalizing the FCC to a certain degree could be a starting point, with a structure more similar to the Federal Reserve than the current monolithic FCC.

It won't happen espcially with Lloyd's in-put.

332 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:41:49pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.

You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.

We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.

333 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #323 Guanxi88

You don't agree that this Scozzafava is certainly an atypical pick for a GOP seat? Leave out for a minute Malkin's mobs and their feces-flinging.

Endorsed by the WFP?!

334 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:30pm

re: #301 jaunte

However, that's not actually a part of our laws governing Presidential elections.

I agree. Impeachment would be the only legal avenue to remove a sitting President, and Obama has certainly not committed an impeachable offence.

335 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #330 iceweasel

Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!

yes we can, by the bucketful...

336 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:42:56pm

re: #329 Charles

I'm starting to just tune out on the Nontroversy of the Day, sorry.

There's only so much craziness I can be expected to pay attention to.

I hear that. Shame that this is what we've come to - a buncha screaming drunks (metaphorically, of course) making a simple conversation all but impossible by their presence, and stubbornly refusing to STFU or STFD.

337 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:43:43pm

re: #331 MandyManners

It won't happen espcially with Lloyd's in-put.

Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.

338 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #332 Univac

Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.

You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.

We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.

well so far he hasn't, unless you want you very ass taxed off

339 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:41pm

re: #337 McSpiff

Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.

Even under a Republican administration, I don't see the FCC disappearing. It's entrenched.

340 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:44:49pm

Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?

341 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:45:58pm

re: #340 Guanxi88

Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?

They're dead, Jim.

342 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:03pm

re: #340 Guanxi88

Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?

where the hell is Paul Anka?

343 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:18pm

re: #337 McSpiff

Agreed, I'm just thinking hopefully 4, maybe 8 years out to how we can use the structures put in place by the progressives during this administration to good use. Making lemonade from lemons and all that.

I think that's a terrible idea - an expansion of governmental control is a bad idea, irrespective of who's in charge.

344 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:19pm

re: #338 albusteve

I'm still hoping!
I'm still writing!

345 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:38pm

re: #342 albusteve

where the hell is Paul Anka?

That you, Glenn?

346 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:46:57pm

Yanks lead Angels after 5 innings ... good game so far ... but we need the Anaheim Rally Monkey to make an appearance.

347 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:04pm

Gotta run, good night folks.

348 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:12pm

re: #342 albusteve

where the hell is Paul Anka?

Having my baby!

349 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:12pm

re: #302 _RememberTonyC

I never said he was a bad guy, but he is legitimately ill in the head. But on the court, he is a premier talent at both ends of the court. His biggest contribution will be guarding the other team's best perimeter player so Kobe won't have to. And that means Kobe is gonna be fresher at the offensive end ... VERY bad news for all LA opponents.

Amen to that.. There isn't a man on the face of the earth that Artist can't guard or bring grief too...But he has always had to score also to win.. I've seen lots of those games..
Kobe is in the house...Stand back Ronny...Kobe is one of the greatest scorers in all the history of Basketball...As much as I hate the Lakers.. There are only 2 or three players in the history of the world better than Kobe...
He is beautiful on the court
I love Kobe I hate the Lakers
Don't judge me!
BTW.. This is a fact of basketball.. Kobe has over a 1000 pro games on his knees.. Players all break down in Basketball at a certain mark...Kobe's time isn't long...He has played too much.. 2 years? It's coming to an end...99% of all players follow the stats.. He is over the 1000 game mark..rare air..Won't be long...It's sad..Kobe is a genius playing the game..His speed and grace and just pure heart stopping moves to the basket...
One on one.. Kobe vs...Who? Bird? Please..Run around him laughing..
Magic? ( Magic..no question)
Who would I put up against Kobe one on one as baddest player on Earth?
Kobe vs. Jordan
pay per view

350 McSpiff  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:54pm

re: #339 MandyManners

Exactly why id rather see a system more like the Fed Reserve than the current monolithic FCC. Same reasons why the US doesn't have a single central bank.

351 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:47:57pm

re: #348 MandyManners

Having my baby!

HA!...what?

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:48:24pm

re: #332 Univac

Being elected president only earns Obama the permission to make decisions.

You have the opportunity to be on the winning/loosing side of his leadership with each decision.

We have only to hope, and encourage, that he makes decisions that are right for this country.

How does this distinguish him from any other president we have ever had, or ever will have?

353 jaunte  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:48:35pm

re: #340 Guanxi88

Ahh, for the good old days! Where the Hell is Eisenhower, or even Buckley, for that matter?

Back in the good old days (1949-1967) the Fairness Doctrine was in place.

354 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:49:30pm

re: #353 jaunte

Back in the good old days (1949-1967) the Fairness Doctrine was in place.

I was talking about the Republican and Conservative movements. When I think "republican" I think of Ike, even as, when I think conservative, i think Buckley.

And look what we got now!

355 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:50:13pm

re: #354 Guanxi88

I was talking about the Republican and Conservative movements. When I think "republican" I think of Ike, even as, when I think conservative, i think Buckley.

And look what we got now!

HUCKABEE!

356 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:04pm

re: #351 albusteve

HA!...what?

It's a song by Anka.

357 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:07pm

re: #330 iceweasel

Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!

Ice! Good evening.. My company is sending me to Singapore for a job.
Cool huh?

358 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:19pm

re: #355 albusteve

HUCKABEE!

Sweet Merciful Mother of the Mongols! A nobody, a less than a nobody - guaranteed to win the overwhelming support of about 20 folk in his congregation. And I thought I had negative charisma and zero prospects on the national stage.

359 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:48pm

re: #346 _RememberTonyC

Was he on the bag or off?

360 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #356 MandyManners

It's a song by Anka.

I'm not that old

361 John Neverbend  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

But there is a delicious Conspiracy going on right now in Physics.

Are you referring to this: Are the laws of nature changing with time?

362 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:28pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Kobe is a basketball savant ... a genius of the hardwood. He and Jordan are stone cold killers on the court ... remorseless assassins.

By the way ... the Yankees just got another bad call to go in their favor ... Anglels screwed by the umps again.

363 Univac  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:52:49pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

How does this distinguish him from any other president we have ever had, or ever will have?

It does not. The amount of hope/encouragement varies with the level of popular support. With results like Electoral votes: 365 -173 Popular votes: 52.9% - 45.5%, I would expect there would be a lot of soul searching on the presidents part.

364 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:53:13pm

re: #360 albusteve

I'm not that old

1974

365 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:53:21pm

re: #355 albusteve

HUCKABEE!


GAWD FORBID

366 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:54:03pm

re: #359 NJDhockeyfan

Was he on the bag or off?

OFF

367 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:54:12pm

re: #364 MandyManners

1974

before my time

368 John Neverbend  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #366 _RememberTonyC

OFF

Not sure. I couldn't see his foot precisely at the point when the ball was in his glove

369 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:56:56pm

re: #330 iceweasel

Gawd no, palpable idealism? We can't have that!

It's Platonism gone mad, I tell you! ;-)

370 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #357 HoosierHoops

Ice! Good evening.. My company is sending me to Singapore for a job.
Cool huh?

Extremely! I'm really happy for you!

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:00:20pm

re: #358 Guanxi88

Sweet Merciful Mother of the Mongols! A nobody, a less than a nobody - guaranteed to win the overwhelming support of about 20 folk in his congregation. And I thought I had negative charisma and zero prospects on the national stage.

I actually find Huckabee much more charming and relatable than Sarah Palin. That frightens me.

I also have a creeping interest in his pioneering work using a popcorn popper as a deep fryer.

372 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:00:23pm

re: #368 John Neverbend

Not sure. I couldn't see his foot precisely at the point when the ball was in his glove

Yankee fans will feel differently than I do!

373 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:03:58pm

re: #362 _RememberTonyC

Kobe is a basketball savant ... a genius of the hardwood. He and Jordan are stone cold killers on the court ... remorseless assassins.

By the way ... the Yankees just got another bad call to go in their favor ... Anglels screwed by the umps again.

I'm so watching...
My poor little rescue dog Winston...Poor thing hasn't gone through too many play offs with me..
He doesn't quite know how to react when I jump over the end table screaming at my 73" Samsung High Def TV with surround sound screaming curse words that would make a sailor turn blue..Well I look over at the wall as Winston is slowing sliding down it in pure shock...I'm sure he is thinking..Should I run or should I stay and root for the hoopsters team?
Poor little Winston...Welcome to the play-offs...He has one eye open and one closed in the 6th inning...

374 albusteve  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:04:32pm

encore...three weeks ago tonight, CJ blessed me with this gem...

375 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #370 iceweasel

Extremely! I'm really happy for you!

I am thrilled! In a couple months I'll be blogging from there...I have never been to Asian...I'm taking mega vacation time...

376 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:12:27pm

re: #373 HoosierHoops

I'm so watching...
My poor little rescue dog Winston...Poor thing hasn't gone through too many play offs with me..
He doesn't quite know how to react when I jump over the end table screaming at my 73" Samsung High Def TV with surround sound screaming curse words that would make a sailor turn blue..Well I look over at the wall as Winston is slowing sliding down it in pure shock...I'm sure he is thinking..Should I run or should I stay and root for the hoopsters team?
Poor little Winston...Welcome to the play-offs...He has one eye open and one closed in the 6th inning...

You Sir, have the passion.

377 dugmartsch  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

It's amazing how many so called 'advisers' currently in the WH have such a dark past. You have to wonder if there is such a thing as a vetting process or is the vetting process aimed at hiring these types of people.

You'd think he has a bunch of mass murderers in his cabinet from reading this post. He has some liberals in what should be very liberal positions in a not particularly liberal administration. Chief Diversity Officer...sounds like a great place to put the token liberal if ever there was one.

378 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:27:02pm

I don't see how any regular internet user can be opposed to internet neutrality.
Here's the alternative:
Image: 2549412581_f11fffcd33_o.jpg

379 claire  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:35:50pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

It concerns the speed of light..Just last year scientist have been successful in actually slowing down the speed of light through a medium...

Are you talking about slowing it down thru a Bose-Einstein Condensate? I thought they first did that 10 years ago, but interesting idea about the early universe, nevertheless. Just one more point to be picky: Light slows down when passing thru any media other than a vacuum. That's why we get refraction (bending) when it passes through water or glass, etc-

You also know that this controversy is like red meat to young earth creationists. They took this and ran with it like the crazy people they are and they are actually claiming that light is like 25% slower today than just 2000 years ago, instead of the tiny amount over billions of years...

380 dugmartsch  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #326 Spare O'Lake

I would point out that during the campaign Obama was criticized for being a blank slate, a chameleon, a hopenchanger, a candidate who would speak out of both sides of his mouth at the drop of a hat. If those criticisms had validity, then one could argue that his mandate is kind of shaky.
I also think that Obama`s footdragging on a number of promises would leave him open to the charge that his mandate was for speedy change and a new approach in Washington, and so he has no mandate to maintain the status quo.

Speedy change? Like a daytime nyquil kind of change? Did you listen to the dude's acceptance speech or like, anything he said during the campaign? Speedy was not in his vocabulary.

And those characterizations are quite ungenerous. You could find any politican and show some message attenuation depending on the audience, but to say that he changed his positions on policy all the time is laughable.

381 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:45:41pm

re: #195 dugmartsch

I think Fuller in under appreciated, & his tensegrities are way under utilized.
Tensegrity structures

These sidestep the buckling limit for most struts and columns. They are super efficient.

382 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:53:49pm
383 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:15:42pm

re: #33 Charles

Woah, I just had another look at Hot Air and there's a thread that's almost not worth quoting from as nearly every comment is off-the-rails bad craziness. I'll excerpt some of it in a few minutes.

384 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:29:36pm

[Link: hotair.com...]

Afterall, the fall of Communism and the Berlin Wall is a sad, sad day for many in Obama’s Administration…

[Link: hotair.com...]

Remember, to Obama’s mentors and a non-trivial swath of his political base, the Fall of the Berlin Wall was a dark day in history.

[Link: hotair.com...]

You don’t seriously think a communist is going to show up for a celebration of the defeat of communism, do you?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Our President is a Marxist. What did you expect?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Since Obama can’t ‘apologize’ for America’s role in the fall of the Berlin Wall, why would he want to go.

[Link: hotair.com...]

He’s not a communist. He just believes in everything a communist believes in, and relys on communists and marxists for advice.

[Link: hotair.com...]

The Precedent is waiting for the new Berlin Wall to be built. He’s worked it out with Russia and they’re going to let him break ground on it. At first Russia complained that The Precedent had already done that with his stabbing Poland and the Czechs in the back on missile defense, but The Precedent held out for the physical groundbreaking.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Why would a Marxist like this SOB want to celebrate what he certainly views as a bad day for “progress”?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Rahm: “Barry, Hugo is having a clambake on Saturday to celebrate Fidel’s 40 years of communist rule.”

Obama: “I’m in. Pack my bong.”

[Link: hotair.com...]

Maybe he’ll send an apology to the Kremlin for all those decades we held West Berlin and refused to cede control to the Communists.

[Link: hotair.com...]

But is anyone seriously surprised that a guy who pisses on Poland, renegs on defense treaties with our allies, flies the communist flag of China at the WHITE HOUSE, sides with dictators and thugs over any and all democracies isn’t going to Berlin?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Since a unified Germany stands in the way of Russian conquest of Europe, as does Poland and the Czech Republic, of course Obama considers them children of a lesser god.

[Link: hotair.com...]

He is indeed a Marxist and just cannot bring himself to celebrate such an event.

Er ist ja ein slimeball.

[Link: hotair.com...]

He may have trashed Berlin, but here’s betting he’ll be in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square next year to mark the 61st anniversary of the Communist Revolution.
385 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:34:31pm

[Link: hotair.com...]

No. They have a perfect understanding of their version of history which is based on Chomsky, Zinn, Rev. Wright and various other leading lights of Marxist and “Black studies” theories. Who are the Poles and Germans? Europeans, for God’s sake! A bunch of white people, aka colonialists and oppressors. Just like the UK, with whom we have “no special relationship” (”…and send back the bust of that old, dead white guy, Churchill”).

If those people can be incited to cheer for The One, fine, but they will always be “lesser.” And, being the lesser white colonialists that they are, they will get the contempt the Obama White House knows they so richly deserve.

[Link: hotair.com...]

He means Reagan. Ya know, the guy who had more love of America in a hair follicle than Obama has in his entire administration of Marxist scumbags.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Obama is not going to Berlin this time because Michelle is not proud of what happened there , an event she watched with tears in her eyes while sitting on her dad’s lap , 20 yrs ago

[Link: hotair.com...]

Was she cheering, when the Israeli team was assassinated?

[Link: hotair.com...]

She may have. That 1972 terrorist group at Munich was called Black September.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Ofcourse she was cheering
Didn’t Arafat get a Nobel for his peace-efforts ?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Gee, the sonorous lilting speeches with full reverb, the adoring sycophants, the limited-tone personality oriented campaign posters, the adoring, slobbering media. Yeah, I can’t imagine why anyone would ever draw a parallel.

//Obama-as-Hitler

[Link: hotair.com...]

Why would Obama cross the street to celebrate the fall of a political system he seeks to foist upon a people who do not want it? If you look at the people he surrounds himself with you can only come to the conclusion that Obama is a Communist and an enemy of America.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Right, mate, but 666 is a number perhaps more recognizable by this president.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Barry Hussein doesn’t want to have to talk about American steadfastness and the defeat of communism-that’s so 20th century; he also doesn’t want to offend his friends and far-left supporters (e.g., Van Jones, the nitwit lady who loves Chairman Mao). This administration is an unfunny joke.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Of course he’s not attending. It’s a sad day for communist sympathizers.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Too many communist heroes in the lives of Soetoro White Staff members to celebrate the fall of communism in Berlin.

[Link: hotair.com...]

He would be moved to tears… that a communist country fell.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Maybe its because the wall would still be there if Barry had his eay.
386 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:35:56pm

[Link: hotair.com...]

LOL… Obama celebrating a defeat of Communist rule, who really thought he’s ever do such a thing?

[Link: hotair.com...]

Obama is the Anti-Reagan: anti-democracy and pro-tyranny. He doesn’t want to attend if Reagan will outshine him, and invalidate his obsequious, apology ridden approach to foreign policy.

[Link: hotair.com...]

The fall of the Berlin Wall isn’t a big deal to commies like Barry Hussein Obama.

[Link: hotair.com...]

These European sheeple have yet to realize that Chairman Obama is of the same brand as those who built the Berlin Wall.

I’m betting most of them figured the Wall was just some kind of “mistake” and is in no way indicative of how these leftist radicals really think.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Perhaps someone already said this but:

I am appalled that he is not a decent man and an honorable president.

But, he is not. And, frankly, seeing his smarmy a$$ up there giving a speech about something he certainly does not perceive as important…I think he would just be a tremendous embarrassment and an insult to the memory of Ronald Reagan. Screw him. I’m glad he’s not going. SCREW HIM.

387 simoom  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:40:53pm

Especially sick are the multiple posts about Michelle cheering the assassinations at the Munich Olympics complete with making a ridiculous racial pun out of "Black September".

Oh, and that thread has lots of LGF bashing too.

388 freetoken  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:46:35pm

re: #387 simoom

You're doing good work at documenting the rush to head off the cliff in the ugly-o-sphere. This is a real meltdown of the polity in this country, by which I mean the frothing mob is what empowers people like Beck to try and bring down people in public service.

America doesn't need frothing mobs.

389 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 16, 2009 9:30:37pm

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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200322This was another weekend that doesn't look like much in pictures. We made a cutout in the stock tank for the spillway slab.It weighs 55 pounds. We spent some time figuring how to balance it properly and get a nice ...
I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)
4 days, 6 hours ago
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Betrayal-Why Did Trump Believe Chinese Disinformation Instead of US Intelligence? ...This criticism contains an element of truth. As The Wall Street Journal reported in early March, the Chinese government lied about the threat posed by COVID-19 and the coronavirus’s transmissibility to humans, and dragged its feet in informing the ...
Rightwingconspirator
4 days, 8 hours ago
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Ozarks Season 3 - Starts Friday Official Trailer for Ozark Season 3. All new episodes arrive on Netflix March 27, 2020. They are all in. The Byrdes are back in business and the stakes have never been higher. As tensions mount surrounding their new casino, ...
Thanos
5 days, 11 hours ago
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Nothing but Thieves - Is Everybody Going Crazy? (Lyric Video) Nothing But Thieves - Is Everybody Going Crazy (Official Lyric Video) Listen to IEGC? here: nbthiev.esSpotify: nbthiev.esApple Music: nbthiev.esItunes: nbthiev.esYouTube Music: nbthiev.esAmazon Music: nbthiev.esDeezer: nbthiev.es Click here to subscribe :: smarturl.it Follow NBT on Socials: Facebook: nbthiev.esTwitter: nbthiev.esInstagram: nbthiev.esSpotify: ...
Thanos
5 days, 23 hours ago
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Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day - I Think We’re Alone Now (Cover) Dear friends.. While we’ve all been in quarantine I’ve been reflecting on the things that matter the most in my life. Family, friends and of course music. I recorded a cover of Tommy James and the shondells “I think ...
Thanos
5 days, 23 hours ago
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