LGF: The Offender

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I’ve finally made it.

I’m an “offender” in this Rush Limbaugh idolizing article at the far right Media Research Center.

My life is complete.

UPDATE at 10/17/09 8:04:45 am:

Racist and race-baiting quotes from Rush Limbaugh that are sourced and verified:

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

Rush Limbaugh acknowledged making these statements in a 1990 Newsday article (although the latter, at least, occurred not on Limbaugh’s now-familiar talk and political commentary radio program, but at the beginning of his broadcast career back in the early 1970s when he was hosting a Top 40 music show under the name “Jeff Christie” on either WIXZ or KQV in Pittsburgh).

“Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.”

Media Matters for America documents this statement (with an audio clip) as one made by Rush Limbaugh in the course of his radio program on 21 August 2007.

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

Media Matters documents this statement as one made by Rush Limbaugh in the course of his radio program on 19 January 2007.

“I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They’re interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there’s a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn’t deserve.”

Rush Limbaugh made this statement about Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb during a September 2003 broadcast of ESPN television’s Sunday NFL Countdown program. The controversy generated by the remark prompted Limbaugh’s resignation from his position as a commentator on that show.

And this statement from last month:

“Obama’s America: white kids getting beat up on school buses. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety, but in Obama’s America, white kids now get beat up, with the black kids cheering, ‘Yeah! Right on! Right on!’”

UPDATE at 10/17/09 8:18:47 am:

This is what Snopes says about the two quotes Limbaugh is disputing; they are both listed in the book 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America, by Jack Huberman:

“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”

The only source we’ve turned up so far that putatively documents this quote is the 2006 book “101 People Who Are Really Screwing America,” which attributes it to Rush Limbaugh but itself cites no source. On his program of 12 October 2009, Limbaugh disclaimed this quote as a fabricated one:

There’s a quote out there that I first saw it in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch last week that I somehow, some time ago, defended slavery and started cracking jokes about it. And, you know, you say a lot of things in the course of 15 hours a week, over the course of 21 years. We’ve gone back, we have looked at everything we have. There is not even an inkling that any words in this quote are accurate. It’s outrageous, but it’s totally predictable.

It’s being repeated by people who have never listened to this program, they certainly didn’t hear it said themselves because it was never said.

“You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray. We miss you, James. Godspeed.”

Likewise, this statement is attributed (without sourcing) to Limbaugh in “101 People Who Are Really Screwing America.” Although it is often cited as something he said on his radio program on 23 April 1998, we haven’t turned up any references to this quote from earlier than 2005.

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644 comments
1 Dan Tanna  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:55:37am

When people like Krauthammer, Juan Williams, among others have spoken out about the Rush controversy, it makes you realize how biased and wrong these attacks on Rush are.

You dont have to love or be a fan of Rush...However, it is sad that things have degenerated to the point that one can be blackballed just because one holds right of center views.

2 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:55:42am

My life is complete.

I think you need some better goals!!
//

3 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:59:20am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

Rush has not been "blackballed" for right of center views.
Rush has been called out on racist statements.
Is it your contention that racism is a "right of center" view?
Please tell me you didn't mean that.

4 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:00:11am

Rush defends himself.

Mr. Wilbon wasn't alone. Numerous sportswriters, CNN, MSNBC, among others, falsely attributed to me statements I had never made. Their sources, as best I can tell, were Wikipedia and each other. But the Wikipedia post was based on a fabrication printed in a book that also lacked any citation to an actual source.

I never said I supported slavery and I never praised James Earl Ray. How sick would that be?

5 ryannon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:00:42am

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Rush has not been "blackballed" for right of center views.
Rush has been called out on racist statements.
Is it your contention that racism is a "right of center" view?
Please tell me you didn't mean that.

He's up early to work on increasing his negative karma.

6 Dan Tanna  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:02:00am

re: #3 reine.de.tout

When Krauthammer and Juan Williams say that Rush isnt a racist...that is all I need...

7 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:03:30am

re: #4 FrogMarch

Rush defends himself.

well what the hell?...somebody is fudging or playing make believe...these quotes should be easy enough to source

8 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:04:04am
9 ryannon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:04:36am

re: #6 Dan Tanna

When Krauthammer and Juan Williams say that Rush isnt a racist...that is all I need...

No linky, no thinky.

10 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #8 northcountry

drama queen just go away.

11 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:05:39am

re: #6 Dan Tanna

Whether one thinks Rush is or is not a racist, it is a fact that he has made racist and race-baiting statements. It's wrong, imo. And these statements are not reflective in any way of the opinions of this "right-of-center" person.

12 Dan Tanna  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:05:57am

re: #7 albusteve

I agree...
And when O'Reilly, who doesnt carry water for Rush, cant find quotes, it makes me wonder what is really going on...

Plus...when the likes of Sharpton are involved, it really makes me question the sourcing of the alleged quotes.

13 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:05:59am
14 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:06:09am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

There are plenty of things Rush has really said that show he is despicable, not merely conservative. I listened to him for just a few minutes the other day, and he basically claimed the President blocked Rush from buying an NFL team, that he stole the election last November, and he told an elderly caller that she'd lose health coverage if a reform bill pass (he said she was "screwed'). Rush packed in an amazing amount of lying and fear mongering in the few minutes I could stand to listen to him.

15 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:06:27am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

Boo hoo for Rush Limbaugh. Its a private club and the NFL owners didn't want him in.

16 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:06:39am
17 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:07:34am

re: #12 Dan Tanna

I agree...
And when O'Reilly, who doesnt carry water for Rush, cant find quotes, it makes me wonder what is really going on...

Plus...when the likes of Sharpton are involved, it really makes me question the sourcing of the alleged quotes.

personally I don't give a crap about any of them...I just want to know what the truth is

18 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:09:34am

re: #15 Mich-again

Boo hoo for Rush Limbaugh. Its a private club and the NFL owners didn't want him in.

just the way it should be imo...Rush can piss off

19 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:11:18am

You can argue all you want about whether or not Limbaugh is a racist. It's a convenient way of sidestepping the real issue, which is that many of Limbaugh's listeners are racists, and Limbaugh panders to that audience by using racially-tinged remarks as bait to attract their support.

Something he's obviously been very successful at.

20 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:11:32am

How can Rush be a minority owner anyway? He's white.
Sheesh.

21 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:11:51am

re: #17 albusteve

personally I don't give a crap about any of them...I just want to know what the truth is

There are other issues at play also..
The NFL didn't want to sit on pins and needles for 3 hours every day of the year and worry about what crazy shit Rush was going to say and how much money they would have to fine him.. (the Mark Cuban syndrome )
31 out of 32 owners belong to the GOP.. It's not a right wing thing but a crazy owner thing...

22 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:12:05am

re: #8 northcountry

Just step away from the computer.

Go pick up a few bags of chips and the beverage of your choice and get ready to watch todays football games.

Go play with the kids.

Rake leaves/shovel snow/chuckle at the poor bastards who have to rake or shovel on such a fine day.

Just... go!

23 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #15 Mich-again

Boo hoo for Rush Limbaugh. Its a private club and the NFL owners didn't want him in.

Neither do any of the investors he was attempting to pool resources with. Limbaugh loathing spread beyond the NFL; it's quite common. I wouldn't want my investments or my business associated with him either. Way too much downside, no upside to speak of.

He's free to put together his own group if he's seriously interested in pushing a bid forward. Maybe he could put the word out to the Grand Dragons who tune in to his show that he needs their financial support so they can field their own NFL team.

24 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:15:56am
25 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:16:08am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

When people like Krauthammer, Juan Williams, among others have spoken out about the Rush controversy, it makes you realize how biased and wrong these attacks on Rush are.

You dont have to love or be a fan of Rush...However, it is sad that things have degenerated to the point that one can be blackballed just because one holds right of center views.

One should be blackballed when they've built a career being a race-baiter speaking bigot code to millions of listeners for well on 30 years, a process that's been accelerating since a black man won the presidency.

That said, of course, he hasn't been blackballed. The people trying to buy a team in the privately owned NFL realized that partnering with a race baiting bigot wasn't going to win them any points.

26 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:17:14am

re: #8 northcountry

Sweet. This is the first time I've seen a flounce. Charles is always super quick on the delete button.

27 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:17:16am

Charles, please delete #24...it's rude

28 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:17:38am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

When people like Krauthammer, Juan Williams, among others have spoken out about the Rush controversy, it makes you realize how biased and wrong these attacks on Rush are.

You dont have to love or be a fan of Rush...However, it is sad that things have degenerated to the point that one can be blackballed just because one holds right of center views.

He is an egocentric blowhard. He spews bullshit for ratings. As an anti-idiotarian, I cannot accept the Cult of Rush.

Charles:

Mazel Tov!

29 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:22:02am

re: #25 dugmartsch

One should be blackballed when they've built a career being a race-baiter speaking bigot code to millions of listeners for well on 30 years, a process that's been accelerating since a black man won the presidency.

That said, of course, he hasn't been blackballed. The people trying to buy a team in the privately owned NFL realized that partnering with a race baiting bigot wasn't going to win them any points.

yup..The ownership group should have floated this idea privately to the NFL first before going public.. I hear this has caused some concern within the front office in New York who wonder about the judgment of this group..Just adding another investor may not work for them..They just shot themselves in the foot to some execs.

30 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:22:05am

re: #4 FrogMarch

Rush defends himself.

The reason I don't give him the benefit of the doubt is because he has a history of race baiting.

31 Dan Tanna  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:22:22am

re: #28 austin_blue

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

32 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:22:52am

Some of the networks have either retracted or admitted the quotes are unsourced/unverifed, haven't they?

33 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:24:04am

Good morning lizards.

34 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #24 albusteve

new expansion team...the Birmingham Dragons

They can use the helmets of NFL Europe's Barcelona Dragons if there are still any left!

36 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:26:41am

re: #26 dugmartsch

Sweet. This is the first time I've seen a flounce. Charles is always super quick on the delete button.

Seven AM ILT (International Lizard Time) - Charles is in the shower and Stinky is dusting off the hamster cages. The Master Control room is in Automatic Mode.

37 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:26:53am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

it's not about the NBA or Cuban...how can you force the owners to go into business with someone they don't want to do business with?...what kind of BS is that?

38 Baier  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:27:23am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

When people like Krauthammer, Juan Williams, among others have spoken out about the Rush controversy, it makes you realize how biased and wrong these attacks on Rush are.

You dont have to love or be a fan of Rush...However, it is sad that things have degenerated to the point that one can be blackballed just because one holds right of center views.

Have Williams or Krauthammer said "Rush is not a racist?". From what I've heard they were talking about certain instances as racist or not. Do you have links where either of them state patently that Rush is not a racist? I'd be interested to see that.

39 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:27:45am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

Read my 21...It isn't just being a blow hard.. And if you don't think the Owners would not want to kick out Cuban you're crazy..
It's not what the NFL wants to go through 3 hours every day of the year..
Thought police? Please...

40 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:28:06am

Typical Rush bullshit. Limbaugh Blames Affirmative Action For Obama's Success

To me it is striking how unqualified Obama is, and how this whole thing came about, within the Democrat Party. I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy... Affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them.


Listen to that clip. He says Obama got the Democratic nomination because of affirmative action, not because of primary elections. Rush is a race baiter who tosses red meat to his racist fans.

41 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:28:30am

I would like to know why the left hammered Rush on this until he was thrown off the investment team yet George Soros is still there. Collaborating with Nazis is far worse than anything Rush has ever done.

42 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:28:33am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

Nice curveball.

Let's be clear:

Saying things over a period of years that makes a large percentage of the population think you are a racist asshole precludes you from being the partner in an ownership group for an NFL team.

See the difference?

43 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:28:49am
44 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

He's a friggin race baiter and a hypocrite, doing everything he's accused Jackson and Sharpton of all of these years. I challenge you to find one of his shows post election where race isn't referenced or talked about. Forget the slur quotes, he's obsessed with race.

45 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:30:18am

I've thought Limbaugh a moron for decades.

46 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:30:26am

Whack...the flounce stick strikes again.

47 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:30:34am

re: #40 Mich-again

Typical Rush bullshit. Limbaugh Blames Affirmative Action For Obama's Success


Listen to that clip. He says Obama got the Democratic nomination because of affirmative action, not because of primary elections.

I vaguely remember something about Hillary Clinton and the primaries...?

48 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:31:26am

There are more than enough verified racist quotes by Rush to ignore the fictional ones.

49 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:31:40am

re: #42 austin_blue

Nice curveball.

Let's be clear:

Saying things over a period of years that makes a large percentage of the population think you are a racist asshole precludes you from being the partner in an ownership group for an NFL team.

See the difference?

I don't think anybody gets it..31 out of 32 owners are in the GOP..
How bad is it for Rush that no one supports his race baiting... I mean the good ole boys won't even let him in...Good Job Rush.

50 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:32:05am

re: #47 SteveC

I vaguely remember something about Hillary Clinton and the primaries...?

...with the suggestion that Bill was racist, right?

51 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:33:17am

re: #45 Ojoe

I've thought Limbaugh a moron for decades.


I prefer Mark Levin or even Todd Schnitt before Rush. The only time I enjoy Rush's show is when Mark Steyn is subbing.

52 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:33:48am

re: #50 Pianobuff

...with the suggestion that Bill was racist, right?

Well, everyone who is not a racist is a racist!

/Wut?

53 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #50 Pianobuff

...with the suggestion that Bill was racist, right?


How can the first black president be racist?

54 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:35:54am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

How can the first black president be racist?

Life is funny that way.

//

55 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:36:04am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

How can the first black president be racist?

Dang it! You beat me to it!
The ice must be fast today hockey fan...

56 Baier  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:37:29am

re: #45 Ojoe

I've thought Limbaugh a moron for decades.

I made myself listen to Rush everyday for a week because I know many conservatives listen to him. I find it amazing that he continually calls Obama a narcissist, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I've never heard someone praise themselves many times. I concluded that people that listen to him believe he is smart, and by extension, they are too, because they listen to him and understand him. When Rush is attacked the listeners feel attacked.
I also tried to listen to Beck for a week, I made it about an hour.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:38:32am

re: #55 HoosierHoops

Dang it! You beat me to it!
The ice must be fast today hockey fan...

And I haven't finished my first cup of coffee.

58 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:38:36am

The NFL is a business entity and as such has every right to exclude anyone it wants to based on any reason even if one doesn't agree with it. In this case Limbaugh's notoriety with a large amount of the NFL fans alone would be enough to give me pause. Especially if I (as an owner group) want to ask the public to help fund my new stadium.

Seems like folks spew out a lot of opinions stated as fact. I despise that personally.

59 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:38:49am
60 Baier  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:40:00am

re: #58 anno

The NFL didn't exclude anyone. It was the partnership seeking to buy the franchise.

61 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #56 Baier

I used to listen to Michael Savage a bit, he is very intelligent & not in the same league with Rush and O'Rielly and the others, but lately he's gone a bit wacky also.

62 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:40:38am

re: #56 Baier

I also tried to listen to Beck for a week, I made it about an hour.

And you survived?

63 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:42:21am
64 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:42:38am

re: #62 SteveC

And you survived?

Beck didn't cry on air yesterday..What was he thinking?
Come on Glenn...Give us the money shot!

65 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:43:08am

re: #61 Ojoe

I used to listen to Michael Savage a bit, he is very intelligent & not in the same league with Rush and O'Rielly and the others, but lately he's gone a bit wacky also.


I like Savage in bits. When he's telling stories about his childhood he is very entertaining.

66 kellygrrrl  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:43:08am

Congratulations! You've made it!

67 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:43:46am

re: #61 Ojoe

Michael Savage was never sane. He's a virulent nihilist bag of pus and bile who's been feeding paranoia for years.

68 kellygrrrl  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:43:54am

re: #63 snakedoctor

good chance maybe Charles, and other conservatives, stayed exactly where they were while the GOP turned to the right and went full-speed ahead over the cliff

69 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:43:59am

re: #60 Baier

The NFL didn't exclude anyone. It was the partnership seeking to buy the franchise.

It was both.

70 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:44:56am

re: #61 Ojoe

I can grant you that fact that unlike Rush, Beck and Hannity, Savage has more than a high school education...but the man has been clearly unhinged for a LONG time.

71 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:45:07am

re: #63 snakedoctor

seismic shift?

The right side of the political spectrum is falling off into the sea!

72 Baier  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:45:08am

re: #61 Ojoe

I used to listen to Michael Savage a bit, he is very intelligent & not in the same league with Rush and O'Rielly and the others, but lately he's gone a bit wacky also.

These guys are entertainers and care mostly about selling air space. Rush is an expert at flying just on the line to have enough controversy that people tune in, but not enough to be taken off the air. I don't get why people don't see they are being manipulated by an entertainer, not a listening to a brilliant ideasmith. He does what it takes to get people to tune in. It just goes to showw, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

73 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:46:00am

re: #66 kellygrrrl

Congratulations! You've made it!


I have? Wow! I'd like to thank the academy for recognizing true genius when they see it.. oh..I'd like to thank my parents and last but not least my agent..
Thank you! Thank you!
You love me! you really really love me!

74 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:46:06am

re: #72 Baier

These guys are entertainers and care mostly about selling air space. Rush is an expert at flying just on the line to have enough controversy that people tune in, but not enough to be taken off the air. I don't get why people don't see they are being manipulated by an entertainer, not a listening to a brilliant ideasmith. He does what it takes to get people to tune in. It just goes to showw, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

exactly!

75 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:46:11am

Here's a hint, if you google "michael savage quotes" what site is at the top of the list?

76 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:47:12am

re: #68 kellygrrrl

good chance maybe Charles, and other conservatives, stayed exactly where they were while the GOP turned to the right and went full-speed ahead over the cliff

I'm not aware of Charles self-identifying as a conservative.

77 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:47:14am

re: #49 HoosierHoops

I don't think anybody gets it..31 out of 32 owners are in the GOP..
How bad is it for Rush that no one supports his race baiting... I mean the good ole boys won't even let him in...Good Job Rush.

I get it, Hoops. The *majority* of people on this board get it. It's the idiotarians who don't.

And, ooh!, I got to see a flounce! Live! Oh, frabjous day!

78 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:47:15am

Yep. Google tells us all we need to know. no need to look any further than first page for sure! SEO!!!

79 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:47:26am

Dungy: Limbaugh had right to go through NFL process

NBC's Tony Dungy joined the show to discuss big issues around the NFL. Here are some of his takes:

-- Dungy thought Rush Limbaugh should have had the opportunity to go through the whole process of applying to buy an NFL team.

Dungy said that the owners of the teams should have been able to vote on Limbaugh's bid. Not the general public.

Dungy said judging potential owners on external things can be very dangerous. It takes a more thorough process.

"We don't have any minority ownership in the NFL right now, Dungy said. "It's the same thing."

80 SteveC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:47:35am

re: #73 HoosierHoops

I have? Wow! I'd like to thank the academy for recognizing true genius when they see it.. oh..I'd like to thank my parents and last but not least my agent..
Thank you! Thank you!
You love me! you really really love me!

Don't forget to thank all the Little People!

81 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:48:18am

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

Dungy: Limbaugh had right to go through NFL process

When Juan Williams was rendering criticism, wasn't he told to 'go back on the porch'?

82 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:49:05am

re: #81 Pianobuff

When Juan Williams was rendering criticism, wasn't he told to 'go back on the porch'?

Yup. And did you hear the outcry about that?

Neither did I.

83 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #80 SteveC

Don't forget to thank all the Little People!

ah hell..Let em eat cake...

84 Kobyashi Maru  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:49:35am

Whom amongst us does not yearn to be made complete by being ostracized by the guru of all that stands for Excellence in Broadcasting?

Charles... when is the award ceremony? I'll buy a table at the dinner...

/

85 albusteve  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:50:08am

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

Dungy: Limbaugh had right to go through NFL process

I would say to Tony...the owners just took a shortcut and did Rush and Checketts a favor by not wasting their time

86 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:50:31am

re: #12 Dan Tanna

And when O'Reilly, who doesnt carry water for Rush, cant find quotes, it makes me wonder what is really going on...

It means O'Reilly's research staff is worthless.

87 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:51:42am

re: #67 Thanos

Savage's defense of kids, not to give them Ritalin & instead to look at diet, is very sensible & compassionate I think.

88 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:52:20am

The apologists will not touch with a 10 foot pole the "take the bone out of your nose" quote.

89 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:52:26am

re: #80 SteveC

Don't forget to thank all the Little People!

did you mean this guy?

90 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:52:29am

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

Dungy is a Socon, FRC loves him, as does Huck's Army. Of course he's going to support Rush, just like Coulter will. His support has some weight because I think he was picked or in the running for Obama's Faith council.

91 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:53:39am

Congratulations. It's a medal of honor.

92 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:53:52am

re: #63 snakedoctor

The right went off the rails. Nothing around here has changed.

93 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:54:31am

re: #87 Ojoe

His views on autism are significantly less than sensible & compassionate, however.

94 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:55:29am

Rush may or may not be an "out and out" racist, but he has said many racially insensitive things without much concern for those he targeted. By handling his business in this way, he should not expect the benefit of the doubt from those who look at him with suspicion.

95 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:55:34am

re: #87 Ojoe

Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schafly also support that, are you a fan of theirs? Don't confuse a good cause with a bad person. Vlaams Belang says they are pro capitalist, and pro family, does that automatically make them good guys?

96 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:56:21am

Media Research Center

The MRC has received financial support from several foundations, including the Bradley, Scaife, Olin, Castle Rock, Carthage and JM foundations.

This is the same collection of Foundations that funds all the other "independent" right-wing think tanks. Some of these foundations were started by members/contributors of the Birch Society.

97 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:56:43am

So now Rushbo is the victim of the year. This is like conservative christian groups whining about a "war on christians" when a few retail stores wish customers "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas."
Much ado about nothing except when used to exploit something.

98 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:57:01am

re: #87 Ojoe

Savage's defense of kids, not to give them Ritalin & instead to look at diet, is very sensible & compassionate I think.

I have his book 'Healing Children Naturally'. It's a great book. He wrote it before he became a radio personality.

99 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:57:05am

re: #95 Thanos

I am only a fan of the sensible parts.

100 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:58:01am

re: #67 Thanos

I think that is the first time I have seen the term nihilist applied correctly. Ever. +Millions.

101 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:59:24am

Any hackers out there? We so need to hack to PBX at Fox and call that Hot line red phone on Beck's show every day..
I'll do my best Obama impersonation..
uh oh Glenn..ummm you know...
Yes Mr. President?
We ah.mmm have a pool going on..ummm huh here in the White house
I got 4:49 EST today..Do you think..ummm think you could cry at 4:49..I got um mmm 5 bucks on it Glenn..
Yes Mr.President
ummm mmm Thanks Glenn
Click...
*turning towards the Camera*
Wait for it...Here comes the money shot...
/Come on hackers.. You can't but more fun..
//

102 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:00:34am

re: #101 HoosierHoops

You would be looking for phreakers. Not hackers. Not that I would know anything about that kind of thing.

103 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:00:40am

re: #99 Ojoe

I'll give you that. Seriously the very first time I heard the Savage show, I knew the guy was off the rails.
Of course it's hard to find someone on air for the right who hasn't jumped the tracks post election. It's time for the children's hour to end and for the right to recognize that people only vote for them when they are the adults.

104 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:04:05am

re: #102 enoughalready

You would be looking for phreakers. Not hackers. Not that I would know anything about that kind of thing.

True..Unless Fox runs VOIP over Cisco...
We could take turns calling the Hot line during the show...
I do a mean Chairman Mao impersonation..

105 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:04:54am

re: #104 HoosierHoops

I do a mean Chairman Mao impersonation..

RINO! ;)

106 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:06:23am

See the update above. All of the quotes listed are verified.

107 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:06:44am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

No, being anything that the NFL or Rush's former partner perceives as damaging to the image of a sports/entertainment business precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

It called CAPITALISM, and it doesn't matter if you like it, it doesn't matter if you think they are hypocritical, nothing matters except it's their business.

Like oit or not, there is no argument left.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:07:20am

I still want to know why there isn't equal rage about George Soros investing.

109 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:07:31am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

When people like Krauthammer, Juan Williams, among others have spoken out about the Rush controversy, it makes you realize how biased and wrong these attacks on Rush are.

You dont have to love or be a fan of Rush...However, it is sad that things have degenerated to the point that one can be blackballed just because one holds right of center views.

Not "biased" or "wrong" at all. Rush Limbaugh has made numerous outright racist and/or race-baiting comments on the record.

I've listed some of the verified ones above.

110 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:07:46am

re: #106 Charles

See the update above. All of the quotes listed are verified.

Maybe O'Reilly's staff will have an easier time finding those now.

111 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:08:10am

re: #30 dugmartsch

The reason I don't give him the benefit of the doubt is because he has a history of race baiting.

So if the quotes in question cannot be verified, then - oh well they must be true because he's a race-baiter anyway? who needs accuracy?
I'm interested in honesty. Accurate quotes would be a start.

I'm not that interested in the NFL /Rush Limbaugh. I am interested in media accuracy.

112 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:09:56am

re: #111 FrogMarch

Charles just added verified quotes above.

113 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:10:04am

re: #104 HoosierHoops

They're on the PSTN I would guess. They might terminate calls in a Cisco box and use SIP internally, I wouldn't know.

114 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:11:34am

re: #105 Sharmuta

RINO! ;)

Ring ring
Beck: Oh my lawd it's the White house
Picks up phone..
Beck: Mr. President?
Mao (me): Glenn Beck?
Beck: Yes Mr President
Mao: It's me Mao Beck
Beck: Chairman Mao..I thought you were dead..
Mao: It's Le Mao.. I have the all you can eat Chinese buffet on 7th Ave.
Beck: Oh.. ok I like your place
Mao: You no come back here no more.. You eat too much.. I go broke
Beck: Well I'll just don't...
Mao: You no come back no more!
Beck: * Tears welling in his eyes* America...
Mao: You no come back no more!

115 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:11:38am

re: #112 aagcobb

Charles just added verified quotes above.

Where are the Rush quotes on slavery and Martin Luther King's killer, James Earl Ray? I may be mistaken, but those were the quotes used by the major media.

116 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:11:49am

re: #109 Charles

Not "biased" or "wrong" at all. Rush Limbaugh has made numerous outright racist and/or race-baiting comments on the record.

I've listed some of the verified ones above.

Are these quotes verified yet?

“I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”

"We miss you, James." (re James Earl Ray)

117 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:13:28am

re: #116 Pianobuff

Are these quotes verified yet?

“I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”

"We miss you, James." (re James Earl Ray)

Those are the two questionable ones. I don't think anybody is disputing the other quotes.

118 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:13:54am

Slightly OT:

Obama was at Texas A&M yesterday with George H. W. Bush celebrating volunteerism and the twentieth anniversary of the "1,000 points of light in a broad and peaceful sky" speech.

Naturally, there were Obama = Hitler signs among the Tea Party crowd who travelled long distances to protest.

Kinda pitiful, given the setting.

[Link: www.statesman.com...]

119 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:13:57am

It's like the Twilight Zone. Rush Limbaugh has convinced all these people that he never said anything racist, just by focusing on two quotes that were not properly sourced (but not shown to be false).

I've just added SIX racist and/or race-baiting quotes above that are not disputed.

120 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:15:20am

re: #115 FrogMarch

How many verified quotes do you need to conclude Rush is a race baiting asshole?

121 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:15:27am

re: #119 Charles

Fine and important work you are doing here Charles.

BBL

122 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:16:16am

re: #119 Charles

It's like the Twilight Zone. Rush Limbaugh has convinced all these people that he never said anything racist, just by focusing on two quotes that were not properly sourced (but not shown to be false).

I've just added SIX racist and/or race-baiting quotes above that are not disputed.

Not sure if you are referring to me, but the reason I ask is because those are the specific quotes referenced in the article that you made the posting topic.

123 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:16:25am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

I still want to know why there isn't equal rage about George Soros investing.

Go out and bang the drum about it. If you have racist quotes with his name on them, post them on teh internets.

124 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:16:47am

re: #120 aagcobb

How many verified quotes do you need to conclude Rush is a race baiting asshole?

Why can't the media use those quotes, instead of unverified quotes?

125 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:17:18am

re: #115 FrogMarch

So the VERIFIED quotes are now invalid because two unverified quotes got reported, huh?

126 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:17:45am

re: #119 Charles

It's like the Twilight Zone. Rush Limbaugh has convinced all these people that he never said anything racist, just by focusing on two quotes that were not properly sourced (but not shown to be false).

I've just added SIX racist and/or race-baiting quotes above that are not disputed.

And it's not just quotes like that. On Thursday while Rush was discussing this on the air, he "slyly", just before a break, used the words "blackout" and "spade." Anybody who listens to him knows he does that stuff all the time. If it bothers them, they don't listen.

127 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:18:35am

re: #125 bratwurst

So the VERIFIED quotes are now invalid because two unverified quotes got reported, huh?

I didn't say that.

128 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:18:43am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

That makes absolutely no sense. What do you mean?

129 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:19:13am

re: #127 FrogMarch

So at what point will you be satisfied that there is a reason many people consider the guy racist?

130 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:20:44am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

I still want to know why there isn't equal rage about George Soros investing.

Why are you insisting on moral equivalence? Soros isn't the subject. Rush's flapping mouth and the fact that he is public poison to a bunch of really rich guys is.

The man has richly *earned* this public shunning.

131 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:21:16am

re: #129 bratwurst

So at what point will you be satisfied that there is a reason many people consider the guy racist?

I am making a different point about media accuracy. The media should rely on verified quotes.

132 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:21:24am

Note that the quotes Limbaugh disputes ARE sourced -- they're from a 2006 book titled 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America, by Jack Huberman.

133 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:21:54am

OMG! The end is near!
Complete chaos in the next few weeks? End of October?

Paulians are freaking out.

134 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:25:34am

re: #6 Dan Tanna

When Krauthammer and Juan Williams say that Rush isnt a racist...that is all I need...

Right -- so "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back" doesn't even register on your radar then. Got it.

135 webevintage  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

I still want to know why there isn't equal rage about George Soros investing.

Because most people in this country have never even heard of Soros.
Hell, all I know about him is that he seems to be the boogy man to conservatives.
The other investors in the group and the NFL may feel that he is not, on a daily basis, a boycott just waiting to happen. That's what happens when you make your living saying outrageous things that piss people off. Rush has made millions and millions of dollars playing a sexist, race bating jerk he is now reaping what he has sowed.
My wee little violin is not playing for him.

136 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #124 FrogMarch

Why can't the media use those quotes, instead of unverified quotes?

I think its petty much a given that the media make mistakes. And I believe those verified quotes have been used.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:26:44am

re: #133 Killgore Trout

OMG! The end is near!
Complete chaos in the next few weeks? End of October?


Paulians are freaking out.

More Millenarian BS. What a crock those people are. They set dates for the world to end and then look like complete idiots when they're wrong. Hopefully this shows some Paulians for the loons they are and gives the GOP some distance from them.

138 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:26:58am

re: #133 Killgore Trout

So, where do I find the women who believe in this stuff. 'Cause you know, with only a couple weeks to go, we oughta be packin' in all the lovin' we can.

139 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #132 Charles

Note that the quotes Limbaugh disputes ARE sourced -- they're from a 2006 book titled 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America, by Jack Huberman.

So you believe the disputed quotes are authentic and verifiable?

140 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #135 webevintage

Now that was a hell of a post that laid it out...Nice post
What comes around goes around

141 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:28:16am

re: #138 SixDegrees

So, where do I find the women who believe in this stuff. 'Cause you know, with only a couple weeks to go, we oughta be packin' in all the lovin' we can.

Where is Obama making his next public appearance? Hie thee hence!

142 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:28:46am

Yup it's a free country. Rush is free to try to buy a team, but the other owners are just as free to tell him to go p**s up a rope. I seem to recall the right wing folks getting all spun up about the Boy Scouts stating that the scouts are a private club and can determine who is allowed to be a scout without any political interference. Same thing here. The NFL owners are a private club and if they don't want a b*mb thrower in thier little club then that is their perogitive.

143 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:29:15am

re: #139 Pianobuff

So you believe the disputed quotes are authentic and verifiable?

Did I say that? I'm saying that there is a source for them. They weren't simply made up out of thin air.

Why are you just ignoring the numerous verified quotes?

144 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:29:30am

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Well if the webbot says that we are all going to die then it must be true...

//

145 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:30:02am

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Yup. And did you hear the outcry about that?

Neither did I.

A big big reason so many people support Limbaugh despite his excesses is that he's one of the few standing up to the doublestandardistas and, in fact, throwing it back in their faces. That means a lot to folks. I started listening to him more often after Harry Reid and his cohorts used the power of the Senate to try and tar him with a phony anti-soldier statement and Limbaugh laughed at them and basically shoved their letter up Dingy Harry's ass.

146 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:31:19am

re: #144 ausador

Well if the webbot says that we are all going to die then it must be true...

//

Graph! The graph don't lie!
/

147 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:31:51am

re: #134 Charles

Right -- so "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back" doesn't even register on your radar then. Got it.

In Juan Williams defense, he's still steamed from the abuse he took from another guest on The O'Reilly Factor on Thursday. The other guest (also black and who was anti-Rush) used both the questionable quotes and one of the ones you sourced. However, he also said that "Real black people believe" as a prelude to criticizing Williams for being slow to accept Limbaugh's guilt and ended by tell Williams to "get off the porch", which is a way of called Williams an Uncle Tom. Following that, Williams may be defending Rush simply because the other side abused him.

148 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:32:14am

re: #145 jimbouie

A big big reason so many people support Limbaugh despite his excesses is that he's one of the few standing up to the doublestandardistas and, in fact, throwing it back in their faces. That means a lot to folks. I started listening to him more often after Harry Reid and his cohorts used the power of the Senate to try and tar him with a phony anti-soldier statement and Limbaugh laughed at them and basically shoved their letter up Dingy Harry's ass.

You are correct that he has a lot of listeners. But then WWF is a very popular program as well. But what have either of them actually done besides put ona side show for easily bored people?

149 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:32:31am

re: #143 Charles

Did I say that? I'm saying that there is a source for them. They weren't simply made up out of thin air.

Why are you just ignoring the numerous verified quotes?

I'm addressing the quotes in the article that you chose to make the main topic of your post. There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the accuracy of those. It's fair game for discussion if I want to ask, isn't it?

150 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #136 aagcobb

I think its petty much a given that the media make mistakes. And I believe those verified quotes have been used.

The media does make mistakes...But Rush does have a track record..
I was in a story in the Napa Register some years ago.. They completely screwed up the story..It was half accurate at best... For me it was on the good side.. I was getting post cards for weeks from little old ladies in Napa Saying what a good boy I was and how proud they were of me..
All you can do is shake your head and laugh.. The Media makes mistakes..I know first hand..Since then I have taken everything I read with a grain of salt..

151 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:34:00am

re: #149 Pianobuff

I'm addressing the quotes in the article that you chose to make the main topic of your post. There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the accuracy of those. It's fair game for discussion if I want to ask, isn't it?

And I've answered your question. There is a source for those two quotes.

Now I have a question for you: what do you think about the quotes that are verified?

152 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:34:17am

You say Obama, some say Opossum?

153 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:34:55am

re: #149 Pianobuff

I'm addressing the quotes in the article that you chose to make the main topic of your post. There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the accuracy of those. It's fair game for discussion if I want to ask, isn't it?

You remind me of the man standing next to the one tree that *didn't* get blown down by the blast from Mt. St. Helens:

"See!", he says. "The forest survived!!"

154 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:35:21am

re: #145 jimbouie

A big big reason so many people support Limbaugh despite his excesses is that he's one of the few standing up to the doublestandardistas and, in fact, throwing it back in their faces. That means a lot to folks. I started listening to him more often after Harry Reid and his cohorts used the power of the Senate to try and tar him with a phony anti-soldier statement and Limbaugh laughed at them and basically shoved their letter up Dingy Harry's ass.

Double standards, business, the NFL and Rush's partners are not the issue, are they? The NFL can have all the double standards they want, can't they? And if they don't want Rush to invest in a team, they can stop them, can't they?

You may not like it, it may not seem fair to you, but it's doesn't matter if you like it or if it's the most unfair business decision ever made in the history of commerce.

What a sick remark, "despite his excesses." Do you go around making excuses for other people like that? You comment in itself is a double standard.

You can't have it both ways.

155 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:35:32am

re: #153 austin_blue

You remind me of the man standing next to the one tree that *didn't* get blown down by the blast from Mt. St. Helens:

"See!", he says. "The forest survived!!"

LOL

156 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #152 Thanos
Thanks, I've been looking for that video.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:36:05am

OT: Update on the asshole Justice of the Peace in Louisiana who refused to marry and interracial couple. Bobby Jindal is leading the charge to get rid of the bum. Jindal remains a creationist shill, but at least he knows enough to run off racists when they show their ugly faces. The rest of the GOP should take a lesson.

Politicians Call for Ouster of Official Who Refused to Marry Interracial Couple

158 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:36:26am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

I think that it was removed awhile, this is a news report on the video

159 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:36:42am

re: #145 jimbouie

In other words, you really don't care that your hero has made numerous racist comments on the record.

160 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:37:06am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

That left a mark!
Morning Walter

161 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:37:31am

I'm sitting here watching people from every point of the political compass argue if a post indicates that the person uttering them is a racist.

Then I asked myself, by what definition of Racist are they judging these statements.

Perhaps we are using several definitions that are not the same.
So...I'm going to judge the statements by this old one, and then see what I come up with

racism
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Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
Function: noun
Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

— rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective

Perhaps other posters could share which definition they are using when they attempt to determine if a quote is racist or not.
It might clear up some confusion as to what the guideline is that someone is using.

Might take me a while to read and form an opinion on all these.
BBL

162 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:37:39am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

OT: Update on the asshole Justice of the Peace in Louisiana who refused to marry and interracial couple. Bobby Jindal is leading the charge to get rid of the bum. Jindal remains a creationist shill, but at least he knows enough to run off racists when they show their ugly faces. The rest of the GOP should take a lesson.

Politicians Call for Ouster of Official Who Refused to Marry Interracial Couple

I don't know why he should get special credit for doing something that's dead obvious, and any politician in America would do.

163 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:37:53am

re: #158 Thanos

They showed snippets of the original. Enough to get the flavor.

164 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:37:56am

re: #159 Charles

In other words, you really don't care that your hero has made numerous racist comments on the record.

I think that might be what he meant by Rush "throwing it back in their faces".

165 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:38:05am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Double standards, business, the NFL and Rush's partners are not the issue, are they? The NFL can have all the double standards they want, can't they? And if they don't want Rush to invest in a team, they can stop them, can't they?

You may not like it, it may not seem fair to you, but it's doesn't matter if you like it or if it's the most unfair business decision ever made in the history of commerce.

What a sick remark, "despite his excesses." Do you go around making excuses for other people like that? You comment in itself is a double standard.

You can't have it both ways.

Well said, Walter!

166 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:38:39am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Double standards, business, the NFL and Rush's partners are not the issue, are they? The NFL can have all the double standards they want, can't they? And if they don't want Rush to invest in a team, they can stop them, can't they?

You may not like it, it may not seem fair to you, but it's doesn't matter if you like it or if it's the most unfair business decision ever made in the history of commerce.

What a sick remark, "despite his excesses." Do you go around making excuses for other people like that? You comment in itself is a double standard.

You can't have it both ways.

And besides, the NFL is operating in a free market. I thought all the fiscal conservatives always said no one should ever tinker with the free market. If the NFL owners made the wrong decision, then their profits will go down. No one will show up at the games, life as the NFL fans knew it will no longer exist...

On the other hand if they made the right call, there will be lots of tail gate parties this weekend.

167 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #160 HoosierHoops

That left a mark!
Morning Walter

Morning. Hows Hoops?

168 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:39:35am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

They showed snippets of the original. Enough to get the flavor.

The hat appears very obviously home made.

169 webevintage  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #140 HoosierHoops

Now that was a hell of a post that laid it out...Nice post
What comes around goes around

Thanks, its just Karma baby...
Rush is just getting a bit of that negative shit he has sent out into the Universe focused back on him like a laser.

170 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:40:32am

re: #168 Thanos

The hat appears very obviously home made.

I think it says something on the other side, he probably turns it right side out most of the time.

171 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:40:32am

re: #162 Charles

I don't know why he should get special credit for doing something that's dead obvious, and any politician in America would do.

He shouldn't get any special credit. I'm just glad he did it quickly. What I meant was that the GOP should use this turkey's removal to clean up its act and get the racists out of its midst, starting with Robert Stacy McCain.

172 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:06am

re: #166 Tungsten

And besides, the NFL is operating in a free market. I thought all the fiscal conservatives always said no one should ever tinker with the free market. If the NFL owners made the wrong decision, then their profits will go down. No one will show up at the games, life as the NFL fans knew it will no longer exist...

On the other hand if they made the right call, there will be lots of tail gate parties this weekend.

And just for the record. I am a fiscal conservative. And for the record, Rush is a race baiter, a very clever on, clever because he is not going to throw twenty years out the window and his career by being stupid. He knows what he is doing.

Problem is, a lot of poor people don't see it. They can let the controversy become the issue, forgetting that the foundation for the issue is racism.

173 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:17am

re: #151 Charles

And I've answered your question. There is a source for those two quotes.

Now I have a question for you: what do you think about the quotes that are verified?

Well, generally I think most of them are pretty ill-advised.

On the extremes, at face value and without knowing what came before and after, the bone in the nose comment is pretty repellent...the one just before it I don't like either.

I don't deny that Limbaugh injects race into his dialogue.

174 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:23am

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

He shouldn't get any special credit. I'm just glad he did it quickly. What I meant was that the GOP should use this turkey's removal to clean up its act and get the racists out of its midst, starting with Robert Stacy McCain.

Starting with Rush Limbaugh

175 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #164 Sharmuta

I think that might be what he meant by Rush "throwing it back in their faces".

Perhaps I should elaborate. Since jimbouie thinks teh left is "doublestandardistas", it's okay for Rush to say what he says because he's "throwing it back in their faces". It's moral equivalence being justified with a tu quoque argument.

176 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:51am

re: #161 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I believe Rush is pandering to a racist audience. That makes him a racist in my book, no matter what his "true feelings" are. If he's not above using racist language to engage the bigots who are a part of his audience, he has applied the label to himself.

177 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:57am

re: #135 webevintage

Here is something you might want to know about that 'boogeyman'.

Extended quotation from the 60 Minutes transcript follows: ?When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew...

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...who escaped the Holocaust...

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...by--by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and--and anticipate events and when--when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a--a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's--that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not--not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't--you don't see the connection. But it was--it created no--no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c--I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was--well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets--that if I weren't there--of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would--would--would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the--whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the--I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.? (?George Soros,? 60 Minutes interview transcript, December 20, 1998)

178 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:41:59am

re: #153 austin_blue

You remind me of the man standing next to the one tree that *didn't* get blown down by the blast from Mt. St. Helens:

"See!", he says. "The forest survived!!"

I didn't know there was one. Have a link?

179 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:43:01am

re: #174 Tungsten

Starting with Rush Limbaugh

Either one works for me. I don't like racism, and I don't want it in my party. Full stop.

180 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:44:12am

re: #169 webevintage

Thanks, its just Karma baby...
Rush is just getting a bit of that negative shit he has sent out into the Universe focused back on him like a laser.

No, he's not.

Just as the NFL is free to make decisions as a business, IMO, Rush has calculated what his "bid" for part ownership in a NFL team would produce.

I am quite sure he sat down with his "advisors" and play out all the possible outcomes of this, and he will use them to his advantage.

That is also business, show business, his business.

None of this is for OUR benefit. The bottom line, as CAPITALIST, all of this is being played out by very smart business people.

Rush will not be hurt.

181 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:45:24am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

And just for the record. I am a fiscal conservative. And for the record, Rush is a race baiter, a very clever on, clever because he is not going to throw twenty years out the window and his career by being stupid. He knows what he is doing.

Problem is, a lot of poor people don't see it. They can let the controversy become the issue, forgetting that the foundation for the issue is racism.

Ah but the free market is supposed to handle any situation. If Rush wants to go whine that he is unjustly being accused of being a racist, which he is, then he should do so. As I understand the principles of those that advocate the free market is the solution to all things, then his case will be judged in the tickets sales of every team. I am fine with that by the way.

I do think however, that more people are interested in seeing their favorite team play football than are interested in Rush.

182 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:47:27am

Rush Limbaugh is a perfect example of a wrang-wrang.

So is Coulter. So is Beck. So is Malkin.

So is Sarah Palin.

Wrang-wrangs, one and all.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:47:28am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Here is something you might want to know about that 'boogeyman'.

I can't judge George Soros for his actions during the Holocaust. No who didn't live through it can, IMO. But I do judge him for pumping his money into promoting the Left here and in Europe. I hate Soro's work and want to see him politically neutralized.

184 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:47:42am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Yes. A jewish 14-year old survived the Holocaust and had to do atrocious things to survive. This should disqualify him from investing in NFL?

185 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:48:08am

re: #182 Cato the Elder

Rush Limbaugh is a perfect example of a wrang-wrang.

So is Coulter. So is Beck. So is Malkin.

So is Sarah Palin.

Wrang-wrangs, one and all.

What does that term mean, Cato?

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:48:16am

We still live under this illusion that the programs that are broadcast on raion and TV are the "product" and that we listeners are the "customers".

Nothing could be farther form the truth. The product they sell is advertising time and the customers are the potential advertisers.

The program is just window dressing to get the listeners to tune in the program to hear the advertising.

In that sense, Rush is encredibly successfu: he has a large audience glued to his broadcast every day, and if you want to sell products to that segment of America's population, then his show is where you want to buy time to do so.

And that is the wonder of our free market and our free press and media. If the quality of it has suffered, it is because that is what the market will bear. The alternative would me a Ministry of Fairness and Balance, and don't think anybody wants anything like that.

187 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:48:47am

re: #176 wrenchwench

And this is what I am getting to.

You are stating that in your opinion he is a racist.

What is your definition of a racist?

I often think that the term is used incorrectly, and that on occasion "Idiot" or "Jerk" or any one of another terms might be more appropriate.
Not trying to be a stickler here.
I'm just trying to understand why two people can look at the same thing and label it two different ways.
And the root cause seems to be that we are not all using the same definition to judge the quotes with.

188 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:49:28am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Morning. Hows Hoops?

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

189 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I can't judge George Soros for his actions during the Holocaust. No who didn't live through it can, IMO. But I do judge him for pumping his money into promoting the Left here and in Europe. I hate Soro's work and want to see him politically neutralized.

Yeah, let's hate him for supporting Solidarity. That was really a shitty move.

Hate? I might disagree with the man, but hate his work? A bit strong, don't you think?

190 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:49:48am

re: #148 Tungsten

You are correct that he has a lot of listeners. But then WWF is a very popular program as well. But what have either of them actually done besides put ona side show for easily bored people?


"...A big big reason so many people support Limbaugh despite his excesses is that he's one of the few standing up to the doublestandardistas and, in fact, throwing it back in their faces..."

191 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:50:30am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Either one works for me. I don't like racism, and I don't want it in my party. Full stop.

Well there ya go then. I have listened to numerous pundits on the right saying that the true believers in Islam need to stand up and take their religion away from the people that have hijacked it. I think the same should be said for the Republicans. When Rush, and Hannity and Coulter and the rest of the media types are running your party, you guys need to stand up and fix that. They are doing the Republican party a disservice.

192 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #187 Village Idiot's Apprentice

And this is what I am getting to.

You are stating that in your opinion he is a racist.

What is your definition of a racist?

My definition of a racist is someone who says to a black woman, "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

Apparently that doesn't qualify for you.

193 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:51:46am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Double standards, business, the NFL and Rush's partners are not the issue, are they? The NFL can have all the double standards they want, can't they? And if they don't want Rush to invest in a team, they can stop them, can't they?

You may not like it, it may not seem fair to you, but it's doesn't matter if you like it or if it's the most unfair business decision ever made in the history of commerce.

What a sick remark, "despite his excesses." Do you go around making excuses for other people like that? You comment in itself is a double standard.

You can't have it both ways.

Not talking about the NFL.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:53:10am

re: #187 Village Idiot's Apprentice


I would dare say that we are all racists to some degree. We all make judgements about other people based on their race and appearance. That is part of the human condition.

The question is in how we apply those judgements to our actions and decisions, like the Luisian JOP who uses it as a reason to deny a wedding license, but not to let people use his bathrooms.

It remains a touchy issue because it was once used in this country as a criterion to deny people basic rights, like the right to vote or even the right to live or die.

Rush uses it to sell advertising time on his radio program.

195 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:53:20am

I am very much bummed out that the current state of conservative commentary is such a mess. Heading into last year's election, it was a virtual certainty to any objective observer that Obama would beat McCain. All the polls predicted it and there was very little doubt on election night. That said, the election really WAS close enough that if the Republicans were able to lick their wounds and not overreact, they could have a pretty good chance in 2012. Think about it. If the GOP could grab California and NY (no easy task, for sure) in 2012, THEY would win. And in my lifetime, I have seen both of those states vote Republican in a presidential election. The fact that Obama beat McCain was such a seismic shock to republican voters and pundits that many have simply gone off the deep end in their overreaction. If the sane voices on the right deliver some intellectual shock treatment to the base, maybe the healing can begin and the party can right itself. The influence of the becks, pauls, and Rushes is incredibly damaging because it will be impossible to convince independents and Reagan Democrats to vote for the GOP when the GOP has been hijacked by the extremists. There needs to be some "Buckleyesque" people out there who speak up soon. Because if they don't, the Obama margin of victory in the 2012 election is going to make the 2008 election margin look small.

196 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:53:32am

re: #159 Charles

In other words, you really don't care that your hero has made numerous racist comments on the record.

He's not my hero, and yes I do care. Nice leap, though.

197 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #189 enoughalready

Yeah, let's hate him for supporting Solidarity. That was really a shitty move.

Hate? I might disagree with the man, but hate his work? A bit strong, don't you think?

It is quite strong, but it describes my feelings. My emotions towards the stridently left-wing are visceral and hostile. I don't scream about it and I keep my actions within the bounds of reason. My emotions are what they are, but I control them.

Off to work, BBT. Please reply to this post, I will read it.

198 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:54:30am

re: #192 Charles

AND someone who says in his "special voice" re: the black kid's on the bus " ‘Yeah! Right on! Right on!"

199 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:54:40am

re: #9 ryannon

No linky, no thinky.

This obviously racist turn of phrase denigrates east Asians. I reject whatever cover of "context" or "humor" you may invoke, cast you into outer darkness, and will henceforth give zero credence to anything you have ever said or will say in the future.

//...or I would, if I wasn't married to an east Asian, and therefore had not been raked over the coals for my own copious share of cultural malapropisms

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:54:50am

re: #196 jimbouie

Nice insult. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

201 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:54:55am

re: #190 jimbouie

"...A big big reason so many people support Limbaugh despite his excesses is that he's one of the few standing up to the doublestandardistas and, in fact, throwing it back in their faces..."

Sorry can get with you there. That's the old ends justify the means arguement wich I can't agree with. So his excess are ok because he is pointing out the problems with other people. But when people point out his excesses they are being unfair... Circular logic to me...

202 eneri  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:54:55am

I THINK THE MOST DANGEROUS RACIST IS THE ONE WHO SAYS "I DON'T SEE ANYTHING RACIST IN THAT STATEMENT AND BESIDES HE DOES IT TOO."

203 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:56:02am

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

Intellectual conservatism used to be a major pillar of the Republican Pary's approach. But that pillar has been knocked out in favor of anti-intellectuals like Bush and Palin, who were chosen for their mass appeal to the undereducated.

But we must understand that a populist president must still be able to grasp the complex problems that face our county and to articulate him/herself clearly in whole sentences.

204 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:56:17am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Nice insult. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Anybody need popcorn? I'm going to the kitchen..
This is going to be fun

205 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:56:46am

Later folks.

206 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:57:02am

OT:
Dump Dobbs continues

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

207 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:57:29am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

Well congrats. I'm trying to figure a way out to get back to France in Feb. But with my recent salary cut, lack of IT jobs compared to IT workers needing jobs, and a few other expenses that need to come first, I'll be jacked to sit down and watch the Travel Channel next year.

I've been all over West/East Europe, never far east.

On another note, a young adults theatre program in Ohio is doing a production of my script "1984" in November. I got a email from the director, who was so thrilled. She has had this girl in high school who has always seemed to be the "last girl out" when she would audition for shows.

Well, this time, she "stole" the audition and the director was so happy to be able to finally cast her in a role, the female lead, Julia.

She said the high school junior is kicking ass.

The script calls for only 13 roles, but the director asked me if she could build in a lot more "thought police," Telescreen voices and misc. "citizens" so she could include more of the students that were interested in performing in the show.

She has 30 in the cast, oh my goodness.

They asked me if I wanted to come out to the production, but they don't have the budget to put me up, and I'm certainly not up to it right now.

I'll get a DVD after they are done, I'm looking forward to it.

208 philosophus invidius  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:57:38am

That quote about South Africa and Mandela sounds exactly like something Ronald Reagan would have said. (So much the worse for Reagan, in my view.)

209 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:57:45am

re: #175 Sharmuta

Perhaps I should elaborate. Since jimbouie thinks teh left is "doublestandardistas", it's okay for Rush to say what he says because he's "throwing it back in their faces". It's moral equivalence being justified with a tu quoque argument.

So there's no double standard? Dang.

210 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:58:08am

re: #193 jimbouie

Not talking about the NFL.

Not answering my question, are you.

211 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #203 ralphieboy

Intellectual conservatism used to be a major pillar of the Republican Pary's approach. But that pillar has been knocked out in favor of anti-intellectuals like Bush and Palin, who were chosen for their mass appeal to the undereducated.

But we must understand that a populist president must still be able to grasp the complex problems that face our county and to articulate him/herself clearly in whole sentences.

I agree on Palin, but not on Bush. George W. Bush was no dummy. He was not a smooth public speaker, but he understood things pretty well. I have a friend from work who is extremely close with "43," and he said that in a private conversation, GWB is unbelievably clearminded and asks complex, penetrating questions. Don't believe the olbermann's of the world who called Bush an idiot, he is anything but.

212 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:00:01am

Here's a response to this that really bugs me. The Wall Street Journal's editorial says,

What happened here, and is happening elsewhere in American life, is that Mr. Limbaugh's outspoken political conservatism is being deemed sufficient reason to ostracize him from polite society.

They are saying he's being picked on for being conservative. In this context, it sounds like they are equating being a conservative with being a racist, because the complaints about him are about race, not politics.

213 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

What does that term mean, Cato?

It's from the great religion of Bokononism. A wrang-wrang is "a person who steers people away from a line of speculation by reducing that line, with the example of the wrang-wrang's own life, to an absurdity."

214 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:00:31am

re: #209 jimbouie

So there's no double standard? Dang.

I didn't say that. But you don't deal with one form of racism by encouraging more racism, and that's the excuse you're trying to make for Rush. It's okay for him to say what he says because someone else is getting their racism thrown "back in their face". It's divisive- and that's why his partner group decided to cut him.

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:00:41am

re: #212 wrenchwench


He still had certain articulation issues...

216 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #209 jimbouie

So there's no double standard? Dang.

Don't matter. If a dog shits in your yard, does that make it ok to take YOUR dog and go shit in your neighbor's yard? In your world, probably.

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:02:01am

re: #216 Walter L. Newton


Standards are ideals, and we all fall short of them to some degree. It depends again on how blatantly we fall short and how loudly we point out others who also do so.

218 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:02:07am

re: #192 Charles

Cheap shot Charles.
And you're better then that.

I said I was going to judge by and established definition as provided by Websters.

And I had also said that I had not yet formed an opinion without first reviewing them using that definition.

If you have an issue with that, we can either discuss it at a civil level, and perhaps we could come to an understanding, or you could take what other actions you choose.
I would prefer to discuss it, but it"s your call.

219 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:02:41am

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

It is quite strong, but it describes my feelings. My emotions towards the stridently left-wing are visceral and hostile. I don't scream about it and I keep my actions within the bounds of reason. My emotions are what they are, but I control them.

Off to work, BBT. Please reply to this post, I will read it.

I am sorry, I just don't get it. There are certain points of view that I strongly disagree with, generally those come from people who want to limit other people's basic human rights. In the case of George Soros I am not entirely sure that I would call him anything but a pro-democrat, he certainly has been spending money left and right (hoho) to ensure that the GOP didn't win the election but if you look at where his money goes outside of the US it's pro-democratic movements in non-democratic countries. I would never dream of regarding that kind of work with any kind of negative feelings, regardless of whether the person doing it is libertarian, a social democrat or a conservative. Democracy is the key thing. And that's sort of what irks me with your comment, allowing yourself to feel hostile towards people who are pro-democratic (a racist could never be described as pro-democratic in my mind at least, just to clarify) seems a bit over the top. But sometimes there are reasons to feel a certain way I am sure and yours are probably as good as any.

I reserve the right to disagree with people, but I prefer to do that without vitriol if I can.

220 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:03:23am

Has anyone informed 'Bo Snerdley' that he works side by side with a bigot & racist?

221 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:03:25am

re: #201 Tungsten

Sorry can get with you there. That's the old ends justify the means arguement wich I can't agree with. So his excess are ok because he is pointing out the problems with other people. But when people point out his excesses they are being unfair... Circular logic to me...

I didn't say his excesses were ok. I was explaining my take on why so many people support him.

222 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:03:46am

re: #217 ralphieboy

Standards are ideals, and we all fall short of them to some degree. It depends again on how blatantly we fall short and how loudly we point out others who also do so.

And after those "ideal" that we fall short of are pointed out, plain facts, and your "ideals" don't adjust, then your are willfully sticking to those "ideals," which in the case we are talking about, the ideals of racism, are wrong.

Who are you sticking up for?

223 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:04:34am

re: #212 wrenchwench

Here's a response to this that really bugs me. The Wall Street Journal's editorial says,

They are saying he's being picked on for being conservative. In this context, it sounds like they are equating being a conservative with being a racist, because the complaints about him are about race, not politics.

They ARE equating those kinds of race-baiting remarks with being a conservative. And it's not just the Wall Street Journal -- I've received numerous hate mails over this issue accusing me of being a "liberal" because I called out Limbaugh for his race-baiting. And in this very thread, one of the flouncers made the same comparison.

They're attempting to excuse these comments as some kind of mild political incorrectness, and smear the critics as "liberals" who are too easily offended.

It's completely insane.

224 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:04:34am

re: #221 jimbouie

I didn't say his excesses were ok. I was explaining my take on why so many people support him.

It's a crap excuse built on a logical fallacy.

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:04:47am

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

And after those "ideal" that we fall short of are pointed out, plain facts, and your "ideals" don't adjust, then your are willfully sticking to those "ideals," which in the case we are talking about, the ideals of racism, are wrong.

Who are you sticking up for?


I am sticking up for nobody. We all live by double standards to the extent that we fail to live up to our ideals.

226 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:05:13am

re: #212 wrenchwench

Here's a response to this that really bugs me. The Wall Street Journal's editorial says,


They are saying he's being picked on for being conservative. In this context, it sounds like they are equating being a conservative with being a racist, because the complaints about him are about race, not politics.

Depends on how you define outspoken conservatism. If you do it like Rush does on his show every day, ranting and mocking and generally making an ass out of himself, then yes I think he should be ostricized from polite society... And yes I do listen to his show on the way home from work.

227 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:05:21am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

Congratulations on the upcoming adventure! Have you surfed the ex-pat blogs? Maybe you could start one of your own, after you relocate.

228 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:05:51am

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone informed 'Bo Snerdley' that he works side by side with a bigot & racist?

So it's your position that because Limbaugh employs a black man, he can't be a racist?

Do you also think the Louisiana justice of the peace who refused to marry an interracial couple can't be a racist, because he lets black people use his bathroom?

229 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:06:22am

re: #225 ralphieboy

I am sticking up for nobody. We all live by double standards to the extent that we fail to live up to our ideals.

You can pontificate all you want, bottom line, Rush is a racist, right?

230 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:07:17am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

Not answering my question, are you.

Your question didn't reference my post.

231 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

Singapore's infrastructure makes anything we have in the US look like the outdated crap it is.

232 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:07:42am

re: #221 jimbouie

I didn't say his excesses were ok. I was explaining my take on why so many people support him.

And I was explaining why I think the people who support him are wrong.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:08:23am

re: #188 HoosierHoops
Drink a "sling" for me.

234 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #223 Charles

Also if you watch the Obama Rap video Thanos linked to upthread the guy uses the same excuse. The claims he's being persecuted for being conservative.

235 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:09:24am

re: #230 jimbouie

Your question didn't reference my post.

Yawn... GAZE.

236 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Also if you watch the Obama Rap video Thanos linked to upthread the guy uses the same excuse. The claims he's being persecuted for being conservative.

I have to wonder if this is an intentional conflation.

237 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:09:51am

re: #161 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Perhaps other posters could share which definition they are using when they attempt to determine if a quote is racist or not.

re: #218 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I said I was going to judge by and established definition as provided by Websters.

When someone as worldly as yourself comes in asking people to define their terms used when "attempting" to determine their opinion of a quotation, it seems like you're looking for a very narrow argument, on your terms, not a discussion. And your dictionary definition is for the noun, and you're asking people to define their use of the adjective.

Might take me a while to read and form an opinion on all these.
BBL

What do you really want here?

238 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:09:56am

re: #228 Charles

So it's your position that because Limbaugh employs a black man, he can't be a racist?

Do you also think the Louisiana justice of the peace who refused to marry an interracial couple can't be a racist, because he lets black people use his bathroom?

Not at all. That's ridiculous. I would think, however, Snerdley know Rush better than anyone else except mayby his family and would know if Rush is a racist or not. Every interview I've seen with black friends of Rush's have supported him and say he's not a racist.

239 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

IMHO the GOP's self-inflicted reputation as the party of the Fat Cats will insure Democratic victories until the economy booms again & if there is not a new party of the center, we will not get some of the sensible right of center ideas put into practice in the country for a LONG time.

240 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:10:46am

re: #187 Village Idiot's Apprentice


What is your definition of a racist?

Dictionary.com

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

241 armylaw  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

Although the NFL is technically a non-profit corporation (really), it exists to help the NFL team owners maximize their profits. Clearly, the NFL owners decided having a polarizing figure like Limbaugh amongst their number would jeopardize their bottom lines.

In other words, "It's not personal, it's strictly business."

242 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

Sounds like someone doesn't find racism all that offensive.
I find your comments to be disquieting.
WTF are you saying? That racism is a "thought crime" that should be allowed ?
I find that a rather dubious arguement; that we should allow people the freedom to try to take away freedoms.
I find it offensive for someone to claim that racism deserved a fair shake.
You could have said that a man who blabbers for three hours a day is bound to have a "comment 17", now and then, Or you could have have claimed it was all a mistake, and rush was not a racist, just misguided, or something.
But you defended the concept of racism as not being a "thought crime".
As if no concept should be put in this catagory!
Racism is a thought crime.
Genocide is a thought crime.
Rape also.
You can add enslavement.

You can also kiss my ass.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:11:40am

Rush, IMO, has taken "illustrating absurdity with absurdity" to the point where he has, himself, become absurd.

244 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

I have never been to Asia..They speak Chinese and English.. I will be eating REAL Chinese food for once in my life..
Breakfast..mmm Think I'll eat Chinese doughnuts
Lunch: think I'll eat local
Dinner: Chinese
Midnight snack: Send me some Chinese Moo goo Gai
Repeat as needed
I'm thinking getting Rossetta Stone and doing some Chinese jive talk with a California NorCal accent while in country..
Hoopster: What up betach? I'm producing 50 Cent tour here..What's going down babe?
Waitress: You want more noodles?
Hoopster: mmm..ok..how bout.. You know Tom Cruise? He was supposed to meet me here..
Waitress: Tea?
Hoopster: Can I take your picture?
Waitress: So no more noodles?

245 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:12:13am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

Rush may, in private life, be absolutely color blind. Which doesn't change the fact that his public persona is that of a race baiting asshole.

246 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #236 Sharmuta

I have to wonder if this is an intentional conflation.

I think so. They are equating racism and conservatism themselves. It's not lefties equating the two, conservatives are doing it. Hot Airheads spend a lot of time talking about how the word "racism" no longer has any meaning. They find it liberating.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:13:17am

re: #244 HoosierHoops

Enjoy the "Eel balls"!

248 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

Not at all. That's ridiculous. I would think, however, Snerdley know Rush better than anyone else except mayby his family and would know if Rush is a racist or not. Every interview I've seen with black friends of Rush's have supported him and say he's not a racist.

If Rush makes racially insensitive comments and either thinks they're OK or does not apologize, it does speak poorly of him. As for James Golden (Bo Snerdley), I would asume he is a highly paid employee of Rush. And sometimes that sort of remuneration will get someone to either keep quiet or rationalize away the unpleasantness of their boss.

249 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:14:00am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

One simply *must* have Pimm's Cup at raffles:

Image: round_the_world.1170914400.127_raffles_long_bar.jpg

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:14:04am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

You can pontificate all you want, bottom line, Rush is a racist, right?

I think so, yes. As I said in an earlier post (#194) we are all racist to some extent, but Rush is a rather extreme case.

251 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:15:33am

Wow. I thought the excuse, "Some of my best friends are black" had been totally discredited and ridiculed into disrepute a long time ago.

Apparently not.

252 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I think so. They are equating racism and conservatism themselves. It's not lefties equating the two, conservatives are doing it. Hot Airheads spend a lot of time talking about how the word "racism" no longer has any meaning. They find it liberating.

What creeps me out is this is the same sort of thinking I read about in the VB debates. Since so many europeans were being called racists, they figured they may as well go ahead and embrace it. Is it any wonder we're seeing the same sort of thing here, considering the VB comes to pay their American brethren visits regularly?

253 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:16:21am

re: #244 HoosierHoops

I have never been to Asia..They speak Chinese and English.. I will be eating REAL Chinese food for once in my life..
Breakfast..mmm Think I'll eat Chinese doughnuts
Lunch: think I'll eat local
Dinner: Chinese
Midnight snack: Send me some Chinese Moo goo Gai
Repeat as needed
I'm thinking getting Rossetta Stone and doing some Chinese jive talk with a California NorCal accent while in country..
Hoopster: What up betach? I'm producing 50 Cent tour here..What's going down babe?
Waitress: You want more noodles?
Hoopster: mmm..ok..how bout.. You know Tom Cruise? He was supposed to meet me here..
Waitress: Tea?
Hoopster: Can I take your picture?
Waitress: So no more noodles?

Remember BE NICE. Form what I gather, that's not the place to be an ugly tourist. Can you say "caning?"

254 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:17:20am

re: #249 austin_blue

One simply *must* have Pimm's Cup at raffles:

[Link: images.travelpod.com...]

Thanks awesome looking place..Bookmarked.. I'll have somebody take my pic there...

255 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:17:48am

I think this one was the one that proved it to me:
Barack The Magic Negro

256 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I think so. They are equating racism and conservatism themselves. It's not lefties equating the two, conservatives are doing it. Hot Airheads spend a lot of time talking about how the word "racism" no longer has any meaning. They find it liberating.

Hiding behind the veil of "political incorrectness". Since it is well known that liberals are overly sensitive lefty pinkos only a liberal would ever be insulted by a "politically incorrect" statement. These are not conservatives. These are, pardon my language, assholes. They are using a tired old talking point about political correctness and the dangers thereof as a carte blanche to spew their bile and then hide behind the skirts of conservatism. This is a pretty pathetic strategy in itself but it becomes really dangerous when a lot of people who claim to be conservatives actually start supporting and defending that kind of behavior. In some misguided attempt at a Big Tent strategy they fill the tent with racists, religious freaks and lunatics. No wonder any moderate will quickly start looking for the exit.

(sorry, I am in a bit of a foul mood today)

257 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:18:38am

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Remember BE NICE. Form what I gather, that's not the place to be an ugly tourist. Can you say "caning?"

You know I'm nice to folks..I'm just going to have fun...Canning or not..
*wink*

258 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:19:48am

re: #256 enoughalready

(sorry, I am in a bit of a foul mood today)

Foul, but articulate mood! Upding.

259 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:21:31am

re: #257 HoosierHoops

Are you going to work at a cannery?

260 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:21:58am

re: #256 enoughalready

Well said.

261 armylaw  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:23:06am

re: #119 Charles

It's like the Twilight Zone. Rush Limbaugh has convinced all these people that he never said anything racist, just by focusing on two quotes that were not properly sourced (but not shown to be false).

I've just added SIX racist and/or race-baiting quotes above that are not disputed.

By focusing on the questionable quotes, Rush and his groupies hope to distract those who aren't paying attention. Defense lawyers use this trick all the time: they harp on the things the police did wrong, hoping the jury will focus on the irregularities and miss the overwhelming evidence of guilt.

The media is, of course, partly to blame. By failing to do even the least bit of fact-checking (newsflash to CNN: Wikipedia is a good starting point for your research, but it is not a valid source in and of itself), the media allowed Rush to keep the conversation on the questionable quotes: NOT the call for segregation in "Obama's America" from just this past month.

This whole thing also tells me that Rush would have been a terrible owner. He knew he was trying to buy the Rams when he went off on that rant about segregation in Obama's America. If there was ever a time when he should have minded his P's and Q's, that was it. The fact that he couldn't control himself tells me that he actually has a deep-seated hatred for black people, to borrow Glenn Beck's phrase.

And as an aside... Sam Bradford just hurt his shoulder again!

262 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #255 Tungsten

I think this one was the one that proved it to me:
Barack The Magic Negro

Ah, the satirical song inspired by an article with the same title written by a leftie for the LA Times.

263 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:24:35am

This is from a NYT profile of Rush:

Snerdly introduced himself as an “African-American-in-good-standing-and-certified-black-enough-to-criticize-Obama guy,” and declared that he was speaking, “on behalf of our E.I.B. brothers and sisters in the hood.” The bit was typical Limbaugh — confrontational, deliberately insensitive and funny. It was also a declaration of independence. Whatever special courtesies John McCain might plan to extend to Barack Obama, Limbaugh is going to conduct his air war, as he always has, by his own rules of engagement.

Emphasis added.

He has chosen his style, and choices have their consequences. This consequence pissed him off, and he's been a whining victim of his own circumstances since then.

264 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:24:37am

White supremacist James Edwards defends Robert Stacy McCain -- sort of -- by comparing him with David Duke. Heh.

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

The Google cache link (warning: very sick racist asshole): [Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

265 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:25:01am

re: #259 enoughalready

Are you going to work at a cannery?

LOL
I'll be part of a team to install a network expansion in Downtown Singapore..
It will take us a couple of weeks.. Pray I don't end up in some jail after a soccer riot.. *wink*

266 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

I would think, however, Snerdley know Rush better than anyone else except mayby his family


Do the people you work with know you better than anyone except your family?

267 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:26:43am

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, the satirical song inspired by an article with the same title written by a leftie for the LA Times.

Rush is not responsible for the phrase, but his use of it is one of the things that keeps me from having his program on at work, because I can't afford to offend my customers. Rush can't either, that's why he can't back down from this stuff.

268 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:27:05am

re: #256 enoughalready

Hiding behind the veil of "political incorrectness". Since it is well known that liberals are overly sensitive lefty pinkos only a liberal would ever be insulted by a "politically incorrect" statement. These are not conservatives. These are, pardon my language, assholes. They are using a tired old talking point about political correctness and the dangers thereof as a carte blanche to spew their bile and then hide behind the skirts of conservatism. This is a pretty pathetic strategy in itself but it becomes really dangerous when a lot of people who claim to be conservatives actually start supporting and defending that kind of behavior. In some misguided attempt at a Big Tent strategy they fill the tent with racists, religious freaks and lunatics. No wonder any moderate will quickly start looking for the exit.

(sorry, I am in a bit of a foul mood today)

Much of what is politically "incorrect" is actually a failure of people to observe simple rules of courtesy while simultaneously finding the most mean-spirited way of saying something.

Anyone calling himself a "conservative" who deliberately seeks to be discourteous and mean-spirited is not my type of conservative.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:27:22am

re: #266 bratwurst

Do the people you work with know you better than anyone except your family?

Some do. Why?

270 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:27:27am

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, the satirical song inspired by an article with the same title written by a leftie for the LA Times.

And that demonstrates what exactly?

271 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:27:55am

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, the satirical song inspired by an article with the same title written by a leftie for the LA Times.

A "satirical song" by a white man who puts on a really disgusting ignorant-sounding black accent. Played over and over and over by Rush Limbaugh.

And you're going to argue that because the original phrase was coined by a leftist, for a completely different purpose (it refers to the Hollywood plot device of having a "magic negro" show up and rescue a white character) it's just fine for Rush Limbaugh to do this? Wow.

272 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:28:46am

Rush Limbaugh proves he is racist with his own words. And that he is a conspiracy nut as well.

273 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:29:19am

re: #256 enoughalready

Great comment. All this discussion on political correctness reminded me of an article I'd read on another bombastic "rightie" David Horowitz- one of the defenders of "political incorrectness". The entire article is a good read if anyone wants to better understand the tactics behind the right at this time:

Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter: these are perhaps the best known of the right-wing commentators who seem to have trouble with the truth -- although their lies have little impact on their careers. The list also includes David Horowitz, the former leftist who has become a spokesman for right-wing causes and, perhaps more importantly, something of a conservative movement tactician.

The key point I wanted to raise from the article however is here:

When lies become part of a tactical package, they become part of a system of justification. According to Sissela Bok, such a system is based on:

three circumstances [that] have seemed to liars to provide the strongest excuse for their behavior -- a crisis where overwhelming harm can be averted only through deceit; complete harmlessness and triviality to the point where it seems absurd to quibble about whether a lie has been told; and the duty to particular individuals to protect their secrets.

I would again point out funding for Horowitz comes from the same group of foundations as the Media Research Center. Three of these groups were founded by Birchers. It's no wonder we're seeing these tactics across such a wide range of "think tanks" and other media outlets. They're all interconnected.

274 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:29:24am

And another reason I can't stand the man:
Rush Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox

275 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:29:41am

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

You jump to the conclusion that because Rush works with a black man, they MUST be close. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. The fact remains, however, that having a black friend or a black employee does not preclude one from being racist.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:29:53am

re: #264 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards defends Robert Stacy McCain -- sort of -- by comparing him with David Duke. Heh.

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

The Google cache link (warning: very sick racist asshole): [Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

James Edwards is a special kind of asshole. Pat Buchanan doesn't seem to mind either.

On Sunday, June 29, 2008, Patrick Buchanan, who regularly appears as a political commentator in mainstream media, was interviewed for the second time on Political Cesspool, a Tennessee-based AM and Internet radio show run by white supremacist James Edwards. Edwards regularly invites anti-Semites, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Holocaust deniers, conspiracy theorists and anti-immigrant leaders to voice their views on his show. He is not only a radio host; he appears and speaks at events hosted by racist groups and has been involved in the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist group.

277 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:30:38am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

LOL
I'll be part of a team to install a network expansion in Downtown Singapore..
It will take us a couple of weeks.. Pray I don't end up in some jail after a soccer riot.. *wink*


just be careful if you're using spray paint ...

[Link: www.corpun.com...]

278 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:30:41am

GAH- I keep forgetting my link. Sorry.

[Link: www.publiceye.org...]

279 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

LOL
I'll be part of a team to install a network expansion in Downtown Singapore..
It will take us a couple of weeks.. Pray I don't end up in some jail after a soccer riot.. *wink*

I love your love for experiencing new cultures. I remember last year when you did the Netherlands, you were so excited.

Keep us up to date.

280 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:32:48am

And Rush's first failure as a sports caster which is more on topic...
Rush Limbaugh 2003 Comments on Donovan McNabb

Pretty sure htis is already posted in this thread...

281 theblakester  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:33:26am

I'm not here to defend Rush! But the comments he said about McNabb I thought were right on the mark. The media back then did want McNabb to succeed much in the same way they wanted Obama to succeed. They only wrote fluff pieces and ingored certain facts. Never were there any negative stories.

282 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:33:30am

re: #224 Sharmuta

It's a crap excuse built on a logical fallacy.

Let's try it again.

Rush Limbaugh, DESPITE HIS EXCESSES, has a lot of support because he doesn't kowtow to the doublestandardistas.

The logical fallacy is in insisting I support him and his excesses.

Got it?

283 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:34:21am

re: #280 Tungsten

How people are so anxious to give him a free pass on that one I will never understand. Rush seemed to have forgotten a black QB had won the Super Bowl 15 years before he opened his mouth on this.

284 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:34:35am

re: #282 jimbouie

Let's try it again.

Rush Limbaugh, DESPITE HIS EXCESSES, has a lot of support because he doesn't kowtow to the doublestandardistas.

The logical fallacy is in insisting I support him and his excesses.

Got it?

GAZE.

285 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:34:41am

re: #232 Tungsten

And I was explaining why I think the people who support him are wrong.

Cool.

286 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:35:09am

Tip for KT and the other lizard news junkies:

One way to quickly find controversial items on Youtube is to google it, and then click on "news" instead of the youtube link and then sort for the the last week.

287 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:37:53am

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Remember BE NICE. Form what I gather, that's not the place to be an ugly tourist. Can you say "caning?"

Yeah, don't spit your gum on the sidewalk, and be sure to flush.

288 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:38:09am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

Yawn... GAZE.

Ditto.

289 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #281 theblakester

I'm not here to defend Rush! But the comments he said about McNabb I thought were right on the mark.

Hate to see what you would say if you WERE here to defend Rush.

290 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #282 jimbouie

Let's try it again.

Rush Limbaugh, DESPITE HIS EXCESSES, has a lot of support because he doesn't kowtow to the doublestandardistas.

The logical fallacy is in insisting I support him and his excesses.

Got it?

What exactly is a doublestandardista? Google is of little to no help here. It really doesn't provide me with any sort of guidance. Aren't you in fact saying that Rush Limbaugh is popular because he panders to an audience of bigots by using thinly veiled race-baiting, inflammatory rhetoric and outright lies when it suits him, creating an illusion of someone who "dares to speak the truth".

291 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:39:50am

re: #286 Thanos

Tip for KT and the other lizard news junkies:

One way to quickly find controversial items on Youtube is to google it, and then click on "news" instead of the youtube link and then sort for the the last week.

That's a good one. I'll have to try that.

292 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:40:17am

When it's reached a point where you have to actually issue a statement denying that you ever praised James Earl Ray or said, "Slavery has it's merits"...

293 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:40:36am

re: #281 theblakester

I'm not here to defend Rush! But the comments he said about McNabb I thought were right on the mark. The media back then did want McNabb to succeed much in the same way they wanted Obama to succeed. They only wrote fluff pieces and ingored certain facts. Never were there any negative stories.

See when you start tossing out only and never I just glaze over. You mean to tell me no single sports writer in the entire sports writer pantheon ever ever had a bad thing to say about this QB? And exactly who is the media you speak of?

294 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:40:48am

On anti-intellectualism in the United States of America

Anti-intellectualism refers to the resentment or mistrust of intellectuals, intellectual pursuits, and the sciences. Its prevalence in the United States of America is perhaps one of the nation's most major hindrances to solving the problems it faces collectively. Anti-intellectualism is a prejudice that produces an unreasoned fear of objective study and scientific expertise, often taking the guise of anti-elitism in the face of outrageous dystopian caricatures of a world run by an aristocracy of callous monoliths in laboratory coats or by an armada of machines and computers. Obviously, anti-intellectual sentiment has its basis mostly in misunderstanding, but a persistent stream of misinformation spewed by the impassioned yet hollow rhetoric of shallow politicians and self-proclaimed orators has only served to maintain ignorance.

295 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:42:18am

Al Sharpton is threatening to sue Rush Limbaugh over his WSJ article:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

296 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:42:51am

Hot Airheads...


interesting – only 10% of Voters rate Obama as “Excellent” and yet 13.4% of the population is black.

WWS on October 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM


...

interesting – only 10% of Voters rate Obama as “Excellent” and yet 13.4% of the population is black.

WWS on October 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

They are still waiting for all of the free stuff.

farright on October 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM


...

297 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:43:19am

OT

One thought which has struck me every once in a while is that I would really like to read a collection of essays on modern conservatism in the 21st century written by certain lizards here. Perhaps a project for someone.

298 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:43:22am

re: #274 Tungsten

And another reason I can't stand the man:
Rush Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox

Here's what Michael J. Fox had to say about that.

Rush Limbaugh is a dick.

299 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:44:18am

re: #295 Charles

Al Sharpton is threatening to sue Rush Limbaugh over his WSJ article:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Is there any way we could make sure this thing drags out for as long as possible, at the greatest possible expense to all involved? Ideally, I'd like them both to lose.

300 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:45:39am

On rightwing currents

Modern rightwing currents of anti-intellectualism are far more apparent, particularly with the association of American conservatism and Christian fundamentalism. Former vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin demonstrated a rather ignorant, if smug tendency for dismissing sciences as eccentric, so often found in neoconservative rhetoric, in her first policy speech urging the federal government to fund the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Here is the quote itself:

Where does a lot of that earmark money end up anyway? [...] You've heard about some of these pet projects they really don't make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not.

Palin did not seem to be aware of the fact that, one year previous, a study at the University of North Carolina, of fruit flies, demonstrated the need for a specific protein called neurexin for nerve cell connections to form and function properly (Li, Jingjun et al. 741-55). To quote: "The discovery, made in Drosophila fruit flies may lead to advances in understanding autism spectrum disorders, as recently, human neurexins have been identified as a genetic risk factor for autism" ("Specific Brain Protein"). In fact, there was another such study done the very same year ("Drosophila Drug Screen" & S, Chang et al. 256-63) and plans to further explore the implications of these discoveries (Leuven). I hesitate to make any conjecture based on this alone, but I can't help but wonder what state Sarah Palin's youngest offspring Trig would be in for the rest of his life had the Governor's version of reality been enacted as policy.

301 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #274 Tungsten

And another reason I can't stand the man:
Rush Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox

Low-life, scum-sucking sonofabitch. He doesn't know shit about Parkinson's disease.

302 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:47:20am

The Hot Airheads are also freaking out about this one...
Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

Crazy Pam, Stormfront and the Paulians are all on it too. According to the Paulians this guy is going to be on Glenn Beck's show on Monday.

303 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #297 enoughalready

OT

One thought which has struck me every once in a while is that I would really like to read a collection of essays on modern conservatism in the 21st century written by certain lizards here. Perhaps a project for someone.

It would degenerate into a full-on war inside of about three minutes. Any movement as wild and unruly as the collection of beliefs, attitudes, and ideologies grouped under the heading of Conservatism would collapse into nothingness under the weight of its own internal disagreements and contradictions. And I'm a conservative writing this.

304 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:48:46am

re: #303 Guanxi88

It would degenerate into a full-on war inside of about three minutes. Any movement as wild and unruly as the collection of beliefs, attitudes, and ideologies grouped under the heading of Conservatism would collapse into nothingness under the weight of its own internal disagreements and contradictions. And I'm a conservative writing this.

I don't agree.

305 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:48:46am

re: #264 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards defends Robert Stacy McCain -- sort of -- by comparing him with David Duke. Heh.

And he attacks Rush for not defending RSM. One of his tags on the article is "Rush Limbaugh is a racist." "Poor" Rush is getting it from both sides.

306 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:48:54am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

I saw that story yesterday. I tracked it back to the original website...Prison Planet. That's all I need to see.

307 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #306 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that story yesterday. I tracked it back to the original website...Prison Planet. That's all I need to see.

Yep. It used to take about two weeks for these stories to go from Alex Jones to the right wing blogs and Fox. Now it happens withing a few days, sometimes just hours.

308 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree.

See what I mean? We don't even agree about whether we can agree or not.

309 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:51:59am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

The Hot Airheads are also freaking out about this one...
Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

[Video]

Crazy Pam, Stormfront and the Paulians are all on it too. According to the Paulians this guy is going to be on Glenn Beck's show on Monday.

Christopher Monckton is a fraud. He is NOT a "climate change expert." He was recently caught fabricating graphs with false and cherry-picked data to attempt to prove that IPCC predictions of CO2 increase were wrong. And that's far from the first time he's done something like this. The guy is not even a scientist, he's a politician and a former adviser to Margaret Thatcher.

Complete, utter fraud.

310 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #303 Guanxi88

It would degenerate into a full-on war inside of about three minutes. Any movement as wild and unruly as the collection of beliefs, attitudes, and ideologies grouped under the heading of Conservatism would collapse into nothingness under the weight of its own internal disagreements and contradictions. And I'm a conservative writing this.

That's why I wanted a collection of essays. From a limited number of people. We are, in my opinion, coming to a pivotal point for the GOP and something needs to happen. There is currently a huge lack of ideas, a vacuum even. From an ideological standpoint nothing is happening, and this in the face of some rather serious problems facing the country (what will happen to the dollar when it comes under pressure in the next 10-15 years) and the planet (climate change, energy crisis and so on). At the same time society is undergoing huge changes while gigantic markets are opening up. This should be a time ripe for ideological debate, innovation and discussion. Instead it's... well... let's just say nothing interesting is happening really.

311 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:53:20am

re: #303 Guanxi88

It would degenerate into a full-on war inside of about three minutes. Any movement as wild and unruly as the collection of beliefs, attitudes, and ideologies grouped under the heading of Conservatism would collapse into nothingness under the weight of its own internal disagreements and contradictions. And I'm a conservative writing this.

Your comment would apply if the lizards were trying to write one essay. A collection would be no problem. Except the logistics.

312 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:53:54am

Plus I thought it would be interesting to read.

313 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:54:00am

re: #309 Charles

Christopher Monckton is a fraud. He is NOT a "climate change expert." He was recently caught fabricating graphs with false and cherry-picked data to attempt to prove that IPCC predictions of CO2 increase were wrong. And that's far from the first time he's done something like this. The guy is not even a scientist, he's a politician and a former adviser to Margaret Thatcher.

Complete, utter fraud.

But he has a British Accent and is speaking at the prestegeous Minnesota Free Market Institute. ergo we MUST listen to him! Did Bachman introduce him?

314 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:55:09am

re: #311 wrenchwench

Your comment would apply if the lizards were trying to write one essay. A collection would be no problem. Except the logistics.

Right. I think it's perhaps time soon to become part of a solution. We all know what the problem is. Etc.

315 Linden Arden  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:55:17am

Mr. Limbaugh is organizing his fans to pretend that this was a media-driven campaign to discredit him.

Note that no one, absolutely NO ONE, in the NFL ownership circle publicly stood up for him.

316 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #311 wrenchwench

Your comment would apply if the lizards were trying to write one essay. A collection would be no problem. Except the logistics.

What logistics? Here's how you do it.

My Essay Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,Essay,... etc.

Clip and paste and publish (or whatever).

317 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:55:30am

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Yep. It used to take about two weeks for these stories to go from Alex Jones to the right wing blogs and Fox. Now it happens withing a few days, sometimes just hours.


I think I tracked it back 4 website before I got to PP. Why anyone would give a story credibilty that comes from Prison Planet is beyond comprehension.

318 dedalus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:56:10am

re: #281 theblakester

By the time Rush made those comments in 2003 Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, and Steve McNair had all been Pro Bowl QB's. McNabb wasn't a novelty as a black QB. Even in the 1999 draft Akili Smith and Daunte Culpepper were chosen in the first round along with McNabb. Smith was a flop and Culpepper below average. The media treated them both a tough as other first round QB's who don't measure up.

319 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #310 enoughalready

That's why I wanted a collection of essays. From a limited number of people. We are, in my opinion, coming to a pivotal point for the GOP and something needs to happen. There is currently a huge lack of ideas, a vacuum even. From an ideological standpoint nothing is happening, and this in the face of some rather serious problems facing the country (what will happen to the dollar when it comes under pressure in the next 10-15 years) and the planet (climate change, energy crisis and so on). At the same time society is undergoing huge changes while gigantic markets are opening up. This should be a time ripe for ideological debate, innovation and discussion. Instead it's... well... let's just say nothing interesting is happening really.

I think we on the Right are gonna have to go through this and see if, assuming we can come out the other side, what we're left with. It's an internal struggle just now.

A collection of essays would mean very little, under the current circumstances. We need to get to work purging the undesirables while avoiding getting purged by undesirables. A coherent ideology on the American Right is, perhaps, precisely the very thing I'm looking to avoid; I prefer the contending strains of thought to all be at work and in play, with adults firmly in charge and the insane someplace safe, clean, and pleasant, where they can do no harm to themselves or others.

320 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:56:49am

re: #290 enoughalready

What exactly is a doublestandardista? Google is of little to no help here. It really doesn't provide me with any sort of guidance. Aren't you in fact saying that Rush Limbaugh is popular because he panders to an audience of bigots by using thinly veiled race-baiting, inflammatory rhetoric and outright lies when it suits him, creating an illusion of someone who "dares to speak the truth".

I'd put it more like this: he panders to an audience that feels marginalized and unrepresented in the face of a consistent double standard applied by liberal elites in government and the media. No doubt there are some gleeful racists in that audience, just like there are some gleeful racists on the other side...see the depictions of Condi Rice and Michael Steele during the Bush years (and the lack of condemnation of these excesses by the left).

321 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:56:49am

re: #309 Charles

It seems he's more than a little nutty too.

322 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

I think I tracked it back 4 website before I got to PP. Why anyone would give a story credibilty that comes from Prison Planet is beyond comprehension.

It's the hypnotic effects of the chemtrails, man. Don't forget the chemtrails.

323 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:57:57am

re: #313 Tungsten

But he has a British Accent and is speaking at the prestegeous Minnesota Free Market Institute. ergo we MUST listen to him!

You forgot - he's wearing a vest. Case closed.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:58:04am

re: #322 MandyManners

It's the hypnotic effects of the chemtrails, man. Don't forget the chemtrails.


LOL...my moonbat sis-in-law gave me a lecture on chemtrails once.

325 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:58:20am

BBIAB - got to get ready for work.

326 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 9:59:44am

re: #319 Guanxi88

I think we on the Right are gonna have to go through this and see if, assuming we can come out the other side, what we're left with. It's an internal struggle just now.

A collection of essays would mean very little, under the current circumstances. We need to get to work purging the undesirables while avoiding getting purged by undesirables. A coherent ideology on the American Right is, perhaps, precisely the very thing I'm looking to avoid; I prefer the contending strains of thought to all be at work and in play, with adults firmly in charge and the insane someplace safe, clean, and pleasant, where they can do no harm to themselves or others.

I am not looking for a coherent ideology, I am looking for ideas, viewpoints, debate. Whatever it is that is going on right now it is NOT a debate. Which is pretty much exactly what you describe. But the only way that adults can be in charge is to take charge. And you know what they say about wrestling pigs?

327 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:00:22am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

I think it's been happening for a lot longer that we've been aware. Obama's private army, ACORN conspiracies, FEMA camps, DHS memo, Obama's truth squads, etc were all stories invented by nuts, . A lot of us were suckered in by these in the past.

328 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:00:57am

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

LOL...my moonbat sis-in-law gave me a lecture on chemtrails once.

Talk about anti-intellectualism!

329 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:01:17am

re: #310 enoughalready

I've honestly tried writing a few, nobody reads them because they would rather follow the topical snark and bark of the day. I stopped awhile, but I think the crazy is reaching it's nadir and it's time to start stumping for sanity again, as people will begin to see that they are plummeting headfirst at terminal velocity towards the pavement. (of course I could be wrong in that assessment, perhaps there's still a lot of hot air left in the crazy balloon and they will rise to even further heights of insanity)

330 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:01:42am

re: #295 Charles

Al Sharpton is threatening to sue Rush Limbaugh over his WSJ article:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Well, good luck to Sharpton with that. As a public figure, he'll find it's nearly impossible to prevail in such cases. In fact, it's certain he already knows that, and is posturing for the sake of attention here. He'll have to show that Limbaugh not only made false statements harmful to Sharpton's character, but did so knowing those statements were false and with malicious intent. The bar is set even higher for those in the public eye, since the interest they generate among the public causes all sorts of statements to be made by all quarters.

331 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:01:43am

re: #323 Guanxi88

You forgot - he's wearing a vest. Case closed.

If global warming were true he could not wear a vest. It must be a subliminal thing that I totally missed. Thanks for having my back there! We are so screwed!

332 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:02:46am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

I think it's been happening for a lot longer that we've been aware. Obama's private army, ACORN conspiracies, FEMA camps, DHS memo, Obama's truth squads, etc were all stories invented by nuts, . A lot of us were suckered in by these in the past.

FEMA camp nuttiness predates BHO. I wonder if if predates Katrina. I think so.

333 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:03:13am

re: #299 Guanxi88

Is there any way we could make sure this thing drags out for as long as possible, at the greatest possible expense to all involved? Ideally, I'd like them both to lose.

I'm certain that the attorneys on both sides have already begun making extensive remodeling and vacation plans for the next several years.

334 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:03:19am

re: #318 dedalus

By the time Rush made those comments in 2003 Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, and Steve McNair had all been Pro Bowl QB's. McNabb wasn't a novelty as a black QB. Even in the 1999 draft Akili Smith and Daunte Culpepper were chosen in the first round along with McNabb. Smith was a flop and Culpepper below average. The media treated them both a tough as other first round QB's who don't measure up.

And Doug Williams who was the MVP of Super Bowl XXII in 1987.

335 simoom  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:03:44am

Limbaugh Attacks "Barack Ogabe" And His "Angry" Wife (AUDIO)

LIMBAUGH: The standard of living around the world has increased in places where there are basic free markets. Where there aren't, of course, the standard of living has declined, such as Zimbabwe, the former Rhodesia, now run by Robert Ogabe -- Mugabe. I was confusing him with a well-known Kenyan named Barack Ogabe. This is Robert Mugabe.

Please forgive me. I did not intend that slip-up to be made. Barack Ogabe and Robert Mugabe, at least in human structure, are two different people. I don't know about policy, but, basically -- regardless, regardless. See, I'm embarrassed I stepped in that -- Barack Ogabe.

Transcript from Media Matters

Ignoring whether or not that was actually a slip up, you also have Limbaugh using the opportunity to shift President Obama's origins from (USA) North America to (Kenya) Africa.

336 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:03:46am

re: #328 MandyManners

Talk about anti-intellectualism!

Yes. I thought that essay I linked was lacking in left-wing examples, and there are some I would have added, like anti-vaxxers, alternative medicines, anti-nuclear activists, and educationally- reduced standards. I did, however, see a lot of otherwise fair points in that essay, so I thought I'd share.

337 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:04:23am

re: #328 MandyManners

Talk about anti-intellectualism!

She had copper tubing all over her yard to 'neutralize' the chemicals. You see, the government is poisoning us so we die earlier and they won't have to pay out as much money for social security.

338 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:04:45am

re: #281 theblakester

I'm not here to defend Rush! But the comments he said about McNabb I thought were right on the mark. The media back then did want McNabb to succeed much in the same way they wanted Obama to succeed. They only wrote fluff pieces and ingored certain facts. Never were there any negative stories.

You are so full of Bullshit.. And that's why it took ESPN about 5 minutes to fire him...
In sports we don't give a fuck what color your skin is..We root for you for your SKILLS and HEART! That is why I love Jackie Robinson...Do you think the press was saying people only want Jackie to succeed cause he was Black? Jackie had no support except for his teammates.. This isn't 1947 anymore..
You and Rush can go to hell...Maybe in another 100 years we can judge a man on his accomplishments not the color of his Skin... I thought we were already over this crap..Obviously not

339 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:04:49am

re: #72 Baier

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

Hence my handle...

340 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #332 MandyManners

FEMA camp nuttiness predates BHO. I wonder if if predates Katrina. I think so.

It definitely does. It was a big theme for troofers post 9/11. Here's a search on "fema camp" from 2001 - 2002.

341 rurality  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #320 jimbouie

"unrepresented"? Sessions, Cornyn, Bachman and I could go on and on. I wish they were more marginalized, I don't think ignorance and intolerance and and refusal to listen to facts should be so well represented.

342 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:07:10am

re: #335 simoom

Limbaugh Attacks "Barack Ogabe" And His "Angry" Wife (AUDIO)


Transcript from Media Matters

Ignoring whether or not that was actually a slip up, you also have Limbaugh using the opportunity to shift President Obama's origins from (USA) North America to (Kenya) Africa.

I seem to recall folks on the right getting all spun up about the evil main stream media referring to Mr. Bush instead of President Bush. Could be wrong and no I don't have a verifiable fact checks...

343 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #336 Sharmuta

Yes. I thought that essay I linked was lacking in left-wing examples, and there are some I would have added, like anti-vaxxers, alternative medicines, anti-nuclear activists, and educationally- reduced standards. I did, however, see a lot of otherwise fair points in that essay, so I thought I'd share.

Jones, Icke, et al., cut across ideology. Both were rabidly anti-Bush.

344 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

She had copper tubing all over her yard to 'neutralize' the chemicals. You see, the government is poisoning us so we die earlier and they won't have to pay out as much money for social security.

I bet that was a sight to behold!

345 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:07:44am

Here is some good news. I wish them much success.

Pakistan Army Launches Ground Assault

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Oct. 17 -- Pakistan's army launched a ground offensive Saturday morning aimed at rooting out Islamist insurgents in the lawless tribal region of South Waziristan, an intelligence official in the area said.

The military had been planning the operation for months, amassing nearly 30,000 troops in the area and attempting to soften targets with aerial strikes. Military officials and security experts estimate that between 5,000 and 10,000 "hardcore" Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgents are based in the area, which the United States views as a terrorism hub and has targeted with unmanned drone strikes.

346 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:08:31am

re: #330 SixDegrees

Even of news topics/people I'm interested to follow-I dismiss all public threats of legal action out of hand. I dismiss most news about lawsuits out of hand. I begin to pay attention at the point of the announcement of a settlement (the terms are usually secret) or at a trials conclusion. Then I'll ignore everything until I hear what the appeals courts decide. Then finally I have my answer like it or not. The rest is just not really important outside of the participants.

347 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:08:42am

re: #340 Thanos

It definitely does. It was a big theme for troofers post 9/11. Here's a search on "fema camp" from 2001 - 2002.

IIRC, it predates 9-11. I think it goes back to Clinton. Hard to keep up with da krayzee.

348 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #343 MandyManners

Jones, Icke, et al., cut across ideology. Both were rabidly anti-Bush.

It's the rational vs. the irrational, and it doesn't know party affiliation.

349 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:09:23am

re: #340 Thanos

It definitely does. It was a big theme for troofers post 9/11. Here's a search on "fema camp" from 2001 - 2002.

I see Rense is near the top.

350 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #294 Sharmuta

OTOH...

One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many millions of innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity, is- beware intellectuals. Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should be also be objects of particular scorn when they seek to offer collective advice.
--Paul Johnson

There is nothing so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have.
--Don Herold

Intellectuals are people who believe that ideas are of more importance than values. That is to say, their own ideas and other people's values.
--Gerald Brenan

Middle-class intellectuals are a little too inclined to resent poorer people acquiring for the first time material possessions, and especially luxuries, of a kind they themselves have always taken for granted.
--Paul Johnson

351 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:10:16am

re: #340 Thanos

It definitely does. It was a big theme for troofers post 9/11. Here's a search on "fema camp" from 2001 - 2002.

Then latter picked up by our perennial Fiskie contender and favorite Nutter Spice Cynthia McKinney.

352 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:10:48am

re: #348 Sharmuta

It's the rational vs. the irrational, and it doesn't know party affiliation.

Jones will always be against whichever party is in the White House because it furthers his conspiracy agenda.

353 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #347 MandyManners

IIRC, it predates 9-11. I think it goes back to Clinton. Hard to keep up with da krayzee.

Actually if you search wayyy wayyy back it goes to the Howard Ruff survivalist/militia movement so you make a good point. Same crowd that Rush caters to, one of the reasons that Gold pimps are always advertising on his show.

354 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:12:02am

re: #344 MandyManners

I bet that was a sight to behold!

I loved fucking with her. One Christmas I had her going about the tsunami in Thailand back on 2004. She believes it was possible George Bush created the earthquake to make the tsunami. She is off her rocker.

355 zora  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:12:50am

I just don't get how a guy who gets paid 400 mil. to trash talk on the radio gets to be a victim because of the consequences of his trash talk. They have turned a shock jock into an American Hero. The ditto-heads need to let him defend himself, he can afford it.

356 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #350 The Sanity Inspector

Did you read the entire essay? Because it does discuss the abuse of science from an "intellectual" viewpoint:

As we move onward through history, we can begin to see a misguided association between science and ruthlessness or dehumanization. The strongest example of this would have to be the National-Socialists' pseudo-scientific justifications of racism and genocide, the butcher-like finesse of Hauptsturmführer-SS Dr. Josef Mengele playing no small part in connecting inhuman atrocity with a cold, calculating indifference to human suffering. Even in the realm of dictatorial pseudo-Communism, it could be said Stalin dehumanized his own select list of "undesirables" by some inexplicable, cold scientific process.

357 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:13:45am

re: #354 NJDhockeyfan

I have relatives who buy into every conspiracy theory there is. They will believe every single one they read on the internet and even the ones I dream up for them just for fun.

358 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:14:05am

re: #282 jimbouie

Let's try it again.

Rush Limbaugh, DESPITE HIS EXCESSES, has a lot of support because he doesn't kowtow to the doublestandardistas.

The logical fallacy is in insisting I support him and his excesses.

Got it?

Continuing to defend the indefensible is a bit silly at this point, dontcha think?

106 posts in five years and now you run to Rush's defense? Whose sock are you anyway?

359 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:14:26am

re: #342 Tungsten

I seem to recall folks on the right getting all spun up about the evil main stream media referring to Mr. Bush instead of President Bush. Could be wrong and no I don't have a verifiable fact checks...

No link here either, but I remember that incident. It was during the 1992 campaign, during one or more of the Presidential debates. Bill Clinton kept calling him "Mr. Bush", and some conservative commentators took exception to that.

360 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:14:58am

re: #353 Thanos

Actually if you search wayyy wayyy back it goes to the Howard Ruff survivalist/militia movement so you make a good point. Same crowd that Rush caters to, one of the reasons that Gold pimps are always advertising on his show.

I'll have to take your word about the gold pimps 'cause I've listened to him a maximum of one hour in my entire life. However, I bet if you got really deep into the militias/WP folks you'd find a dislike for Rush as being too mainstream or somesuch.

361 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:15:13am

OMG, I'm on a Cynthia McKinney kick this AM.

I give you McKinney vs Rumsfeld.

362 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #357 Mich-again

I have relatives who buy into every conspiracy theory there is. They will believe every single one they read on the internet and even the ones I dream up for them just for fun.

LOL.

That's what I did with the tsunami in a roundabout way.

363 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:15:33am

re: #357 Mich-again

I have relatives who buy into every conspiracy theory there is. They will believe every single one they read on the internet and even the ones I dream up for them just for fun.

Tell them Cheerios are actually Donut seeds...

364 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #354 NJDhockeyfan

I loved fucking with her. One Christmas I had her going about the tsunami in Thailand back on 2004. She believes it was possible George Bush created the earthquake to make the tsunami. She is off her rocker.

Did she believe Cheney made Katrina?

365 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:16:19am

re: #357 Mich-again

I have relatives who buy into every conspiracy theory there is. They will believe every single one they read on the internet and even the ones I dream up for them just for fun.

Do tell.

366 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:16:47am

re: #364 MandyManners

Did she believe Cheney made Katrina?

Of course. And she believes the Zionists run the world.

367 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:18:09am

Yeah, so this Fema Camp meme goes all the way back to Carter, one of the key books was Howard Ruff's "How to Survive During the Coming Bad Days". The militia and survivalist crazies took it from there and elaborated on his theme.

I remember even some of the more sane people were sucked in, Jerry Pournelle was writing articles on how to make radiation air filters out of toilet paper rolls for basement fallout shelters.

368 simoom  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:18:20am

Limbaugh: Obama administration's economic "objective" is "unemployment" and "more food stamp benefits ... think forced reparations"

Limbaugh: But in the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem - this is the objective. The objective is unemployment, the objective is more food stamp benefits, the objective is more unemployment benefits, the objective is an expanding welfare state and the objective is to take the nation's wealth and return it to the nation's quote rightful owners. Think reparations - think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on.

//race-baiting

369 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:19:16am

re: #356 Sharmuta

I was thinking more of the Western apologists for these evils, over the years. Many of them were highly distinguished professionals in their fields, but made the mistake of thinking that their intellectual eminence equated to political perspicacity. Robert Conquest had some eloquently scathing (scathingly eloquent?) things to say about that in his book Reflections on a Ravaged Century.

370 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:20:08am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

Of course. And she believes the Zionists run the world.

Doesn't matter if she doesn't have ZOG button.

371 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:20:47am

re: #367 Thanos

Yeah, so this Fema Camp meme goes all the way back to Carter, one of the key books was Howard Ruff's "How to Survive During the Coming Bad Days". The militia and survivalist crazies took it from there and elaborated on his theme.

I remember even some of the more sane people were sucked in, Jerry Pournelle was writing articles on how to make radiation air filters out of toilet paper rolls for basement fallout shelters.

Did it involve steel wool?

372 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #371 MandyManners

Did it involve steel wool?

I can't recall, it did involve home made bellows, a box, and several rolls of TP.

373 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #367 Thanos

Yeah, so this Fema Camp meme goes all the way back to Carter, one of the key books was Howard Ruff's "How to Survive During the Coming Bad Days". The militia and survivalist crazies took it from there and elaborated on his theme.

I remember even some of the more sane people were sucked in, Jerry Pournelle was writing articles on how to make radiation air filters out of toilet paper rolls for basement fallout shelters.

Well, let's not forget - nuclear war appeared to be a distinct possibility for quite some time, and we had not much in the way of civil defense preparations. Some of the whackiness was general and free-floating (such as we see now) and some had its roots in very tangible realities.

374 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:23:18am

re: #372 Thanos

I can't recall, it did involve home made bellows, a box, and several rolls of TP.

I wonder how many cases of bottled water he had stored for K2000.

375 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #360 MandyManners

I'll have to take your word about the gold pimps 'cause I've listened to him a maximum of one hour in my entire life. However, I bet if you got really deep into the militias/WP folks you'd find a dislike for Rush as being too mainstream or somesuch.

How right you are. Charles has a link above where a white racist attacks Rush for not defending RS McCain. Which Rush can't do if he wants to remain mainstream.

376 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:24:22am

re: #373 Guanxi88

Having lived through those days I have to laugh at people who preach doom and gloom now, life and times was much grimmer back then than now.

377 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:24:54am

Honest question: Who should be the leaders of the conservative movement today?

378 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:25:07am

re: #373 Guanxi88

Well, let's not forget - nuclear war appeared to be a distinct possibility for quite some time, and we had not much in the way of civil defense preparations. Some of the whackiness was general and free-floating (such as we see now) and some had its roots in very tangible realities.


I remember doing nuclear attack drills in grade school. We had to get under our desks and everyone had to know where the nearest fallout shelter was. We even watched films showing us what to do when you get to the shelter...brush off the excess fallout, take a shower, etc.

379 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #376 Thanos

Having lived through those days I have to laugh at people who preach doom and gloom now, life and times was much grimmer back then than now.

Yep. Say what you will about the current state of the world - MAD sucked ass, in a big way.

380 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:26:23am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

I remember doing nuclear attack drills in grade school. We had to get under our desks and everyone had to know where the nearest fallout shelter was. We even watched films showing us what to do when you get to the shelter...brush off the excess fallout, take a shower, etc.

I remember that kinda stuff, too. Sad thing is, these preparations were woefully inadequate to the threat we faced, and, even as a kid, I knew it.

381 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:26:47am

re: #377 anno

Honest question: Who should be the leaders of the conservative movement today?

I think we ought to let the crazies run their mouths a bit longer until they permanently hang themselves with their own words. Then the other leaders can step forward. Next year's an election year, and you will start to see it then.

382 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:27:39am

re: #377 anno

Honest question: Who should be the leaders of the conservative movement today?

I think Rush is doing a fine job actually. He should keep the job as long as he wants it. Beck as his press secretary. Hannity and Sec of Defense. Coulter can be his "spokes babe". And before folks pound me for being a misogynist, that is his term, one that he uses often.

/sarc off

383 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #380 Guanxi88

I remember that kinda stuff, too. Sad thing is, these preparations were woefully inadequate to the threat we faced, and, even as a kid, I knew it.


I would still take the Soviet threat over Islamic terror anyday. At least the Soviets didn't have suicidal tendencies and we both wanted to live. Not so much with the Islamists.

384 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #375 wrenchwench

How right you are. Charles has a link above where a white racist attacks Rush for not defending RS McCain. Which Rush can't do if he wants to remain mainstream.

Goes to show that Rush has boundaries which to me indicates that he knows EXACTLY what he's saying is racist.

385 Tungsten  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #380 Guanxi88

I remember that kinda stuff, too. Sad thing is, these preparations were woefully inadequate to the threat we faced, and, even as a kid, I knew it.

No way. MY teachers all told me that my desk would be great protection against a nuclear detonation...

386 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #379 Guanxi88

Yep. Say what you will about the current state of the world - MAD sucked ass, in a big way.

At least the Soviets loved their children and didn't want to bring the Mahdi up from his well.

387 AmeriDan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #379 Guanxi88

Yep. Say what you will about the current state of the world - MAD sucked ass, in a big way.

Agreed. It did, however, avert a nuclear attack.

388 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:30:42am

re: #384 MandyManners

Goes to show that Rush has boundaries which to me indicates that he knows EXACTLY what he's saying is racist.

Ding ding ding!!

389 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

I would still take the Soviet threat over Islamic terror anyday. At least the Soviets didn't have suicidal tendencies and we both wanted to live. Not so much with the Islamists.

That's why MAD worked during the Cold War against a country and government.

It's useless against a suicide cult.

390 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:31:33am

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

I would still take the Soviet threat over Islamic terror anyday. At least the Soviets didn't have suicidal tendencies and we both wanted to live. Not so much with the Islamists.

Well, who could have foreseen the current state of affairs? And, let's not forget, the Soviets had an extensive and very sophisticated civil defense system and planning in place. One way to negate MAD is to ameliorate or diminish the effects of even a limited exchange on your own population; tips the strategic advantage slightly in favor of the nation with the best shelters.

391 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:33:16am

re: #384 MandyManners

Goes to show that Rush has boundaries which to me indicates that he knows EXACTLY what he's saying is racist.

Sometimes it takes 384 comments to get a concise summation of the situation.

(Austin_blue already used "ding ding ding!")

392 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:34:08am

Koskidz going after RS McCain...
Help Expose Stacy McCain's Many Neo-Nazi Ties

This is what happens when you don't keep your house clean. This is going to reflect very poorly on conservative popular blogs like Hot Air and on Republicans in general.

393 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:34:11am

Speaking of Islamists...

Whipped for wearing a 'deceptive' bra: Hardline Islamists in Somalia publicly flog women in Sharia crackdown

A hardline Islamist group in Somalia has begun publicly whipping women for wearing bras that they claim violate Islam as they are 'deceptive'.
The insurgent group Al Shabaab has sent gunmen into the streets of Mogadishu to round up any women who appear to have a firm bust, residents claimed yesterday.

The women are then inspected to see if the firmness is natural, or if it is the result of wearing a bra.

If they are found wearing a bra, they are ordered to remove it and shake their breasts, residents said.

Al Shabaab, which seeks to impose a strict interpretation of Sharia law over all Somalia, also amputated a foot and a hand each from two young men accused of robbery earlier this month.

They have also banned movies, musical ringtones, dancing at wedding ceremonies and playing or watching soccer.

'Al Shabaab forced us to wear their type of full veil and now they order us to shake our breasts,' a resident, Halima, told Reuters, adding that her daughters had been whipped on Thursday.

'They are now saying that breasts should be firm naturally, or just flat.'

394 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:34:36am

re: #377 anno

Honest question: Who should be the leaders of the conservative movement today?

Basically, there won't be a conservative movement unless Obama really "Jimmy Carters" this country into a economic meltdown. Barring that, conservatism is a residual political movement. If we start allocating and actually spending the huge amounts of money put forth in the spendulus bill, we could trigger inflation to an unheard of degree. But that would require stupidity equal to driving over a cliff very, very slowly, And Obama is just not that stupid.
I hope.

395 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Koskidz going after RS McCain...

Hey! We're working that corner.

396 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of Islamists...

Whipped for wearing a 'deceptive' bra: Hardline Islamists in Somalia publicly flog women in Sharia crackdown

NOW makes statement in 5,4,3,2,1... crickets?

397 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:47am

Hey Lizards!

I'm a bit confused about this article. The Iconic Obama Poster. Is a fauxtaugraphy that wasn't or a paperwork crime?

How you-all doing?

398 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Koskidz going after RS McCain...
Help Expose Stacy McCain's Many Neo-Nazi Ties

From the link:

Charles Johnson has taken a lot of flack over the past two years for his efforts to point out that, yes, there are some nuts among the conservative commentariat who make ridiculous charges, attack their enemies for behavior they excuse among allies, and make strange associations with anti-Enlightenment miscreants of every sort. Whereas he was once universally celebrated among the right for his work with Rathergate and other stories in which he took a leading investigative role, for co-founding Pajamas Media, and for otherwise advancing the reputation and influence of the blogosophere, he's now being attacked by many of the same conservative pundits for his work in exposing former Washington Times editor and popular all-around pundit Robert Stacy McCain as having clear and numerous ties to white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and Confederate revivalist organizations. Incidentally, McCain also co-wrote a book with Lynn Vincent, who herself ghost wrote Palin's recent biography Going Rogue.

399 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

If they are found wearing a bra, they are ordered to remove it and shake their breasts, residents said.

Whats not to love?

400 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:35:52am

*curtsey*

401 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:36:02am

re: #389 BigPapa

That's why MAD worked during the Cold War against a country and government.

It's useless against a suicide cult.

Screw Atomic bombs.. Are you and Mrs. BigPapa going to have real Kona Coffee this morning in Hawaii?
Damn you big Papa Damn you!
*wink*

402 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:36:42am

re: #399 Mich-again

Whats not to love?

Is that in the Koran?

403 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:37:42am

re: #384 MandyManners

Goes to show that Rush has boundaries which to me indicates that he knows EXACTLY what he's saying is racist.

Every thought Rush utters has been fully thought through as to what he wants to say, how he wants to say it, and what the consequences will be.

404 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:38:05am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

The women are then inspected to see if the firmness is natural, or if it is the result of wearing a bra.

:x

405 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:38:11am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan


Hey! I was only inspecting!
What a way to find a date.

406 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #394 swamprat

Basically, there won't be a conservative movement unless Obama really "Jimmy Carters" this country into a economic meltdown. Barring that, conservatism is a residual political movement. If we start allocating and actually spending the huge amounts of money put forth in the spendulus bill, we could trigger inflation to an unheard of degree. But that would require stupidity equal to driving over a cliff very, very slowly, And Obama is just not that stupid.
I hope.

First, I think people need to decide if they the role of our government is to involve itself in economic or social issues. There seem to be two branches of conservatism. Only one can win.

407 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:38:54am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Koskidz going after RS McCain...
Help Expose Stacy McCain's Many Neo-Nazi Ties

This is what happens when you don't keep your house clean. This is going to reflect very poorly on conservative popular blogs like Hot Air and on Republicans in general.

I don't see why. Kos, DK, DU and the like have already poisoned the well when it comes to impartial, rational reporting; that notion went south years ago. And they are preaching to the choir. It's hard to see how the reputation of right wing blogs is going suffer among Kos readers.

When the right wing blogs start taking notice of such bilge, and criticizing it, then perhaps some difference will be noted.

408 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:39:21am

That's not a koskid, Killgore it's Barrett Brown.

409 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #1 Dan Tanna

It's interesting you are the first poster in this thread, and would have been the last in another thread (except for my reply to you, refuting your bogus post).

In both posts you conflate "conservative viewpoints" with "racist and race bating speech".

Why do you keep making that connection?

To the point: there is no evidence that right-leaning conservatives have any issues with acquisition and ownership of NFL teams.
There does seem to be an issue with THIS business team's connection with Rush Limbaugh because of racist and race-baiting speech.

410 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

Is that in the Koran?

Does it matter. It's what they are enforcing, and it against humans rights, womens rights, this is none of their fucking business.

411 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #403 reine.de.tout

Every thought Rush utters has been fully thought through as to what he wants to say, how he wants to say it, and what the consequences will be.

I don't know if I'd give him that much credit.

412 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:40:54am

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Does it matter. It's what they are enforcing, and it against humans rights, womens rights, this is none of their fucking business.

Oh, but those firm, pushed-up breasts might excite one of them. You see, it's not the man's responsiblity to control himself, it's always the woman's fault.

///!

413 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Koskidz going after RS McCain...
Help Expose Stacy McCain's Many Neo-Nazi Ties

This is what happens when you don't keep your house clean. This is going to reflect very poorly on conservative popular blogs like Hot Air and on Republicans in general.

Ah, it's Barrett Brown!

414 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #401 HoosierHoops

Screw Atomic bombs.. Are you and Mrs. BigPapa going to have real Kona Coffee this morning in Hawaii?
Damn you big Papa Damn you!
*wink*

This may blow your mind, but... I'm going to Starbucks on the way into the office! (I know, GAZE) I do have good Kona when I can, when it's done right.

415 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #412 ggt

Oh, but those firm, pushed-up breasts might excite one of them. You see, it's not the man's responsiblity to control himself, it's always the woman's fault.

///!

that was on the mark..Forget the ///
You called it
nice ggt

416 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #414 BigPapa

This may blow your mind, but... I'm going to Starbucks on the way into the office! (I know, GAZE) I do have good Kona when I can, when it's done right.

Nothin' like a good cuppa Kona!

417 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #409 keithgabryelski

eeeash... I see just reading and replying sequentially to posts is not a good tactic. Since "reine.de.tout" nailed my points in post #3.

sorry for that. reading the entire thread, now.

418 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:44:18am

re: #416 ggt

Nothin' like a good cuppa Kona!

A good bowl of Maui.

419 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

that was on the mark..Forget the ///
You called it
nice ggt

Forget the fact that BREASTS bound-up or not will excite men. Perhaps they can devise a better bag to encase the women to make the men forget that breasts even exist?

not

420 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:45:49am

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ere: #419 ggt

One of my favorite jokes:

What do breasts and remote control cars have in common?

They're both meant for children, but the men usually end up playing with them.

421 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #414 BigPapa

This may blow your mind, but... I'm going to Starbucks on the way into the office! (I know, GAZE) I do have good Kona when I can, when it's done right.

Have any good connection for rich Kona on line? I pay about 20 bucks for a pound to ship it here...It is so freaking weak.. I worked for the DOD and spent 3 years at Pearl...I just love Hawaii...
But don't try to sell me shit weak Kona coffee on line...
Help me Big Papa

422 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #418 MandyManners

A good bowl of Maui.

wowee?

423 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #422 Guanxi88

wowee?

And, howee.

424 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #407 SixDegrees

Because if they dig up enough juicy dirt the MSM might pick it up. Every right wing conference he attends will be smeared by association. Hot Air is a very popular blog and they let him write there. It doesn't look good.

425 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:48:32am

I've often thought the only real differences between Christianity and Islam is in the manner in which they practictioners try to control sex. In Christianity, men are expected to control themselves --women are to be respectful, but not responsible to that. In Islam, Men can't possibly be expected to control themselves, women are responsible.

Christianity trys to get the individual to control themselves by internal means (mind over matters). Isam trys to get individuals to control themselves by external means (matter over mind).

426 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:49:44am

Sorry for the bad typing--I know PIMF works, but the hands aren't working that well today.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:49:58am

re: #28 austin_blue

He is an egocentric blowhard. He spews bullshit for ratings. As an anti-idiotarian, I cannot accept the Cult of Rush.

Charles:

Mazel Tov!

Basically, Rush has made a career of saying shit that gets people riled up, and thinking it's funny. He has also made a lot of money off that. He has done this deliberately, and has openly mocked people who found him offensive.

This time, a group of people who found him offensive decided that they didn't want to risk his carefully tended reputation damaging their business prospects.

End of story.

428 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:50:31am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

They are freaking out over the next climate change summit?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bah, nothing to see here, "Lord Ha-Ha" there is doing his usual excellent job of outright lieing about the facts. Anything to make a buck and get his 15 minutes of fame I guess. The U.S. will not be signing any binding treaty there, and even if we did it would still have to be ratified by congress, what do you suppose the chances of that are?

429 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:50:47am

Rush Tells The Truth when he says " slavery built the South". Bravo Rush! Please, Tell The Truth that reparations should be paid especially in that Rush keeps reminding us that it was the Republican party under Abraham Lincoln that fought to end slavery. Fulfill Lincoln's legacy, Rush.

Fitting that the article appeared in Tell The Truth magazine.

430 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically, Rush has made a career of saying shit that gets people riled up, and thinking it's funny. He has also made a lot of money off that. He has done this deliberately, and has openly mocked people who found him offensive.

This time, a group of people who found him offensive decided that they didn't want to risk his carefully tended reputation damaging their business prospects.

End of story.

Karma has rabies sometimes.

431 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically, Rush has made a career of saying shit that gets people riled up, and thinking it's funny. He has also made a lot of money off that. He has done this deliberately, and has openly mocked people who found him offensive.

This time, a group of people who found him offensive decided that they didn't want to risk his carefully tended reputation damaging their business prospects.

End of story.

Some times, I like what Rush says, he did an excellent job at the CPAC, whenever that was. Most of the time I just want to strangle him --but that's all part of his act. He is an entertainer extraordinarre, that is all.

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #30 dugmartsch

The reason I don't give him the benefit of the doubt is because he has a history of race baiting.

I'm willing to assume those two statements are false, since no one can give sources for them. The others appear to be confirmed. And there is a lot more out there.

433 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:52:45am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist


Basically, Rush has made a career of saying shit that gets people riled up, and thinking it's funny. He has also made a lot of money off that. He has done this deliberately, and has openly mocked people who found him offensive.


I think most of his fans (and those coming to his defense now) are people who feel victimized that they "aren't allowed" to say the same kind of things without consequences.

434 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm willing to assume those two statements are false, since no one can give sources for them. The others appear to be confirmed. And there is a lot more out there.

race baiting is in the eye of the beholder and defined by the present political climate. At least that seems to be the way it goes.

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:53:36am

re: #31 Dan Tanna

amazing...being a blowhard precludes one from participating in an NFL franchise.

under those narrow rules, mark cuban should be stripped of his nba team...

sounds more like the thought police...

Sounds like capitalism. These investors are protecting their reputations and their money.

436 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:53:45am

re: #424 Killgore Trout

Because if they dig up enough juicy dirt the MSM might pick it up. Every right wing conference he attends will be smeared by association. Hot Air is a very popular blog and they let him write there. It doesn't look good.

The MSM, however, already knows all about this. Believe me - they spend an increasing amount of their time scraping the web for stories, rather than doing the work themselves. It's just a matter of when they'll see fit to publish it.

My guess is they'll sit on it until it's release will have more of an impact. Like late summer 2010.

But it won't be anything new to them.

437 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:53:52am
438 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:53:58am

re: #425 ggt

I've often thought the only real differences between Christianity and Islam is in the manner in which they practictioners try to control sex. In Christianity, men are expected to control themselves --women are to be respectful, but not responsible to that. In Islam, Men can't possibly be expected to control themselves, women are responsible.

Christianity trys to get the individual to control themselves by internal means (mind over matters). Isam trys to get individuals to control themselves by external means (matter over mind).

The "only" real difference. Ok, that's a major disconnect. Where as there may some practitioners of each religion that display similar tendencies, and you can find some crossover in some areas, both socially and politically, theologically, they are generally worlds apart. Philosophically, they are generally worlds apart.

You can't really say "the only real difference." That is basely simple and misleading.

439 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #421 HoosierHoops

Holualoa Coffee Company
Mountain Thunder

That doesn't get much closer to the source. Look at Costco they sometimes sell Mountain Thunder for $20 a pound, which is a deal. It's not watered down coop coffee, the make it an bag it on site.

440 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:55:02am

re: #429 Stuart Leviton

Rush Tells The Truth when he says " slavery built the South". Bravo Rush! Please, Tell The Truth that reparations should be paid especially in that Rush keeps reminding us that it was the Republican party under Abraham Lincoln that fought to end slavery. Fulfill Lincoln's legacy, Rush.

Fitting that the article appeared in Tell The Truth magazine.

Honest question, did Lincoln suggest reparations?

441 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:55:19am

re: #437 Rascal One

Nothing better to do on a Saturday than build a straw man? Nobody is taking Rush off the air.

442 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi You!
Hope today finds you well
I'm going to Singapore in about 60 days! Yes I'm excited..I'll twitter you..*wink*
#Hoopster:I don't understand what the policeman is saying..What?
#Hoopster: yummy..Jail food is really good..
#Hoopster: The nice policeman has my AMEX card...Food is really good
#Hoopster: So..What's up with the Cain Mr. Policeman? What? I'll be right back...

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #49 HoosierHoops

I don't think anybody gets it..31 out of 32 owners are in the GOP..
How bad is it for Rush that no one supports his race baiting... I mean the good ole boys won't even let him in...Good Job Rush.

Yep. These are not exactly wild-eyed radicals. These are sober businessmen.

444 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:56:15am
445 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:56:43am

re: #438 Walter L. Newton

The "only" real difference. Ok, that's a major disconnect. Where as there may some practitioners of each religion that display similar tendencies, and you can find some crossover in some areas, both socially and politically, theologically, they are generally worlds apart. Philosophically, they are generally worlds apart.

You can't really say "the only real difference." That is basely simple and misleading.

"Sometimes, I think . . ." I believe is how I started my post. And to be truthful, I think there are similarities --in practice. Both faiths sprouted from Judiasm, so the basics are the same. One G-d.

446 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #437 Rascal One

paleez...

447 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #429 Stuart Leviton


Bravo Rush! Please, Tell The Truth that reparations should be paid especially in that Rush keeps reminding us that it was the Republican party under Abraham Lincoln that fought to end slavery

You forgetting the "/" ?

If not:


These brave Union soldier boys lying dead on the ground at Gettysburg have already paid.

It is over now.

Over.

448 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #439 BigPapa

Holualoa Coffee Company
Mountain Thunder

That doesn't get much closer to the source. Look at Costco they sometimes sell Mountain Thunder for $20 a pound, which is a deal. It's not watered down coop coffee, the make it an bag it on site.

You freaking rock! Thank you.. I've gone through so many coffee on line crap that sell you stuff that just suck...
Please...I've had real rich Kona in Hawaii every day at breakfast..Don't insult me...
I owe you dude
Regards

449 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #282 jimbouie

Let's try it again.

Rush Limbaugh, DESPITE HIS EXCESSES, has a lot of support because he doesn't kowtow to the doublestandardistas.

The logical fallacy is in insisting I support him and his excesses.

Got it?

Dick.

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

I still want to know why there isn't equal rage about George Soros investing.

I don't know. Maybe because most people don't know anything about George Soros, starting with who he is.

If you are this concerned, start an advocacy group. Rush might be willing to help out.

451 Liberandos  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:00:35am

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Well, I want McNabb to do well, a partly because he is black... Does that make me a racist?

When I was teaching, I wanted the minority students in my class to do well, work hard, and become successful. I probably offered them more help and encouragement, because, as a human, I play favorites. Does that make me a racist?

And, when I visit my favorite bar and grill, and a friend, who is African-American, is bar tending, I tend to converse more with him, joke around more, have more fun, and leave a bigger tip... Does that make me a racist?

And, would someone who pointing out my desires and actions for what they are also be considered a racist?

452 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #242 swamprat

"ponch" just down dinged this comment.

Tell me why you think racism should not be considered a "thought crime", Ponch.
Or what your rationale is, for down-dinging an anti-racism comment.
Defend yourself.
I am calling you out.
It is possible you did not differentate between the quote and my reply.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #111 FrogMarch

So if the quotes in question cannot be verified, then - oh well they must be true because he's a race-baiter anyway? who needs accuracy?
I'm interested in honesty. Accurate quotes would be a start.

I'm not that interested in the NFL /Rush Limbaugh. I am interested in media accuracy.

There are a number of verified and accurate quotes. What do you make of them?

454 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #439 BigPapa

Bad Linky, try again...

Holualoa Coffee Company

Also another resource to local coffee connections:

KonaWeb: Links to local Kona Coffee

It doesn't get any more local unless you drive up to their farm.

455 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #425 ggt

I've often thought the only real differences between Christianity and Islam is in the manner in which they practictioners try to control sex. In Christianity, men are expected to control themselves --women are to be respectful, but not responsible to that. In Islam, Men can't possibly be expected to control themselves, women are responsible.

Christianity trys to get the individual to control themselves by internal means (mind over matters). Islam trys to get individuals to control themselves by external means (matter over mind).

What Walter said, otherwise good point. There are a million dos and don'ts in Islam, it being a civil as well as religious framework for arranging human affairs. Christianity at its best says, put love of God and others in your heart, and then do what you will.

456 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #437 Rascal One

A quick check of the correlator tool shows that this is a sock puppet who's been banned previously under at least one name, possibly more than that.

Bye now!

457 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:02:41am

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

Honest question, did Lincoln suggest reparations?

Walter, couldn't find the answer to that, but here are some interesting notes on the "ex-slave pension" efforts (including some fraudulent ones) from 1890-1920.
[Link: www.afrigeneas.com...]

458 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #455 The Sanity Inspector

What Walter said, otherwise good point. There are a million dos and don'ts in Islam, it being a civil as well as religious framework for arranging human affairs. Christianity at its best says, put love of God and others in your heart, and then do what you will.

Another way to look at it:

Islam is like Leviticus without Isaiah;
Christianity is like Isaiah without Leviticus.

459 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:03:33am

re: #455 The Sanity Inspector

What Walter said, otherwise good point. There are a million dos and don'ts in Islam, it being a civil as well as religious framework for arranging human affairs. Christianity at its best says, put love of God and others in your heart, and then do what you will.

Perhaps have secular and non-secular combined accounts for that. I don't know enough about European History to comment on what life was like before the 12th century. I do know that some of the do's and don'ts made sense for health reasons--way back when, but no longer apply.

460 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:03:36am

Hot Airhead sez...

The filthy lying coward in the White House could commit a murder, rape, and bank heist at the State of the Union speech and he still would not be impeached. There are too many who are willing to ignore the rat bastard traitor’s actions because he is black. This is the sine qua non of using the race card to destroy America.

highhopes on October 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

461 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:05:08am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

BTW, Ed is reporting that Western CPAC is a raving loon-fest. I look forward to all the videos that are going to be floating around next week.

462 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #451 Liberandos

It does not make you a racist, especially not compared to many true racists. Forget about the term though.

Why do you treat people different because of their race or skin color?

463 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:06:33am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

The inclusion of "rape" in the mid-position of the list of possible crimes Obama could commit with impunity is telling.

464 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:07:49am

An interesting article:

Why Republican Leaders will have Trouble Speaking to the Rest of America
[Link: www.democracycorps.com...]

An analysis by a Democratic group (headed by James Carville).

It is long, but interesting. To sum up:

Base conservatives are farther right and isolated with no continuum to independents (there is only right and middle, no middle right).

Their chief driving force is not bigotry (and they are pretty certain of this, at least for the group they interviewed: older whites from Atlanta), rather it is paranoia about President Obama being a secret force against The United States.

Again, their position is that President Obama couldn't have been elected without a secret force that pulls his strings like a puppet (tells him what to say and do) and is out to utterly destroy America in every way possible.

These extreme conservatives see foxnews as the only truth sayers, see Sarah Palin as their favorite leader, and truly hate and fear President Obama and his agenda to destroy America.

It took me about thirty minutes to read the analysis (while watching a football game) but it is worth the minutes.

465 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:07:54am
466 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:07:56am

Rush says a few interesting tidbits from the Media Matters audio file above.

The caller says that she's "confused by the liberal hypocrisy" of wanting to go "into Darfur" to help Africans, but instead, the liberals criticize Bush for going into Iraq and helping the Iraqis.

First, Rush accuses liberals of only wanting to "go into Darfur" to get the Black vote. Maybe it didn't occur to him we already HAVE the Black vote.

Secondly, I never heard of any liberal politicians (or fake politicians like Rush) calling for the bombing of Darfur. We (and many other nations, btw) have only tried humanitarian efforts in Darfur and Ethiopia with some successes and some failures. Rush accuses... who I'm not sure, liberals or conservatives (because both parties have been in power during such African crises) of "using the army" for humanitarian purposes or peacekeeping duties.

Now I don't know military American policy about peackeeping, but I know one example where it would have benefited. Sharon (Israel) asked Bush to put troops at the Philadelphi corridor (between Egypt and Gaza) and Bush refused. Foreign monitors were then sent to guard the border and ended up fleeing when the Arabs stormed the border into Egypt. This border is very dangerous because there are smuggling tunnels between Egypt (which is Africa, btw) and Gaza to bring weaps and ammunitions into Gaza. That's the reason for the armed guards. The Americans, btw, would not have let that happen and we certainly wouldn't have fled.

At any rate, no one's calling for a war on Darfur.

Rush continues on to say that we went to Iraq to secure our oil supplies. Um... isn't that the LEFT's talking point? What the hell is he even saying? Other than the fact that we DON'T get most our oil from OPEC anyway. Not that we could live without it, but he certainly makes it sound like the main source.

The problem is that most of his callers are like this one woman, who admittedly knows little about foreign affairs and relies on idiots like Rush to feed it to her. She doesn't have the knowledge to refute it but picks up the racist talking points to, apparently, suit her own agenda.

467 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Wow. That's one for the next 'Hot Air Comments of the Day' for sure.

468 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:08:13am

re: #463 Guanxi88

It's also telling that nobody is offended by that comment or challenging the accuracy of it.

469 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:08:19am

Gotta' go spread the wealth!

470 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:08:26am

re: #451 Liberandos

Well, I want McNabb to do well, a partly because he is black... Does that make me a racist?

When I was teaching, I wanted the minority students in my class to do well, work hard, and become successful. I probably offered them more help and encouragement, because, as a human, I play favorites. Does that make me a racist?

And, when I visit my favorite bar and grill, and a friend, who is African-American, is bar tending, I tend to converse more with him, joke around more, have more fun, and leave a bigger tip... Does that make me a racist?

And, would someone who pointing out my desires and actions for what they are also be considered a racist?

Whoa..I don't even know you..And you want to engage me about race?
Fair enough...Let's talk about race..I promise not to snark or lower this discussion to the gutter...
Let's speak honestly about race...
Now..It's your turn...What was it? I don't think anything you said was racist in your posts...In fact..You just might be the first person at that virtual bar I'd buy a beer for..
Let's talk

471 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:08:53am

re: #447 Ojoe

You forgetting the "/" ?

If not:


These brave Union soldier boys lying dead on the ground at Gettysburg have already paid.

It is over now.

Over.

And, at more length...

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:11:00am

re: #118 austin_blue

Slightly OT:

Obama was at Texas A&M yesterday with George H. W. Bush celebrating volunteerism and the twentieth anniversary of the "1,000 points of light in a broad and peaceful sky" speech.

Naturally, there were Obama = Hitler signs among the Tea Party crowd who travelled long distances to protest.

Kinda pitiful, given the setting.

[Link: www.statesman.com...]

How perfectly classy. That approaches, but doesn't reach, the Code Pink demo at Monticello when Bush was appearing at a naturalization ceremony. What are people thinking?

473 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

How perfectly classy. That approaches, but doesn't reach, the Code Pink demo at Monticello when Bush was appearing at a naturalization ceremony. What are people thinking?

There he is! Get him!

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:14:32am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

OT: Update on the asshole Justice of the Peace in Louisiana who refused to marry and interracial couple. Bobby Jindal is leading the charge to get rid of the bum. Jindal remains a creationist shill, but at least he knows enough to run off racists when they show their ugly faces. The rest of the GOP should take a lesson.

Politicians Call for Ouster of Official Who Refused to Marry Interracial Couple

Good for Jindal.

475 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:14:35am

Have to go.

Have a great day all!

476 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:17:28am

It isn't racist for someone to want minorities to do well. For me, it adds diversity and IMO, American pride, into maintaining the fabric of our society.

What is racist is not wanting minorities to do well because in that feeling is a prejudice that they'll somehow muck up the works with their [insert racist talking point here].

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:18:08am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Let me see if I've got this straight. Your definition of 'collaboration' is a fourteen-year-old boy in hiding, failing to beat himself up because he's working with a phony stepfather confiscating Jewish property?

He sounds like a cold SOB. I've met other survivors like that. It helped.

478 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:19:45am

A few more Limbaugh quotes compiled by FAIR:

In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a 90-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's Jeffersons when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting "ax" for "ask"-- when discussing black leaders.

Such quotes and antics -- many compiled by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) for our 1995 book -- offer a whiff of Limbaugh's racial sensibility. So does his claim that racism in America "is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings" of people like Jesse Jackson. Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang member-type guy" -- an individual with no gang background.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone informed 'Bo Snerdley' that he works side by side with a bigot & racist?

I'm quite sure that Mr. Snerdley has noticed by now.

480 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:22:30am

On a completely unrelated topic (but not really) I think I've found a new one that they're using for Obama over on Hot Air. This is from a post on the poll that shows Huckabee winning some poll.

Too early, though if more people are already looking ahead to 2012 when Ogabe has been in office less than a year, that might be a good thing.

Bishop on October 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Ogabe. Get it? Like, Mugabe? African dictator? It's gotten to the point over there where almost any and every reference to him or his wife has a racist bent to it. Scary. No wonder they're so upset about this whole Limbaugh thing.

481 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:24:26am

Reading those quotes I cannot help but think the GOP is toast unless they publicly disown Limbaugh, and that soon.

482 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #476 marjoriemoon

It isn't racist for someone to want minorities to do well. For me, it adds diversity and IMO, American pride, into maintaining the fabric of our society.

What is racist is not wanting minorities to do well because in that feeling is a prejudice that they'll somehow muck up the works with their [insert racist talking point here].

I would not quantify that as racism and clearly not bigotry. Literally speaking it could be a type of racism; instead of being against/detrimental of a race, it is supportive/promotive of a race. But I think it's a waste of time and risky to clumsily call it racism. Forget about what it is.

The problem is that this is still going against MLK's tenet. You're treating people differently because of their race or skin color, even though the intention is noble and it's for a good cause. It just doesn't sit right with me and I can't find myself to do that.

483 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:25:01am

re: #459 ggt

Perhaps have secular and non-secular combined accounts for that. I don't know enough about European History to comment on what life was like before the 12th century. I do know that some of the do's and don'ts made sense for health reasons--way back when, but no longer apply.

John Calvin imposed extremely strict rules on his community, right down to the designs permitted on the dishes in people's kitchens. It's one reason that H. L. Mencken called him "the Geneva Mohammed". The Catholic Church of course has its own checkered past, with the Inquisitions. Yet, Christianity was open-ended enough that the Christian West could produce and grow The Enlightenment. It remains to be seen if the much more inward-looking system of fundamentalist Islam can do the same.

484 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:25:08am

re: #480 Splatt

On a completely unrelated topic (but not really) I think I've found a new one that they're using for Obama over on Hot Air. This is from a post on the poll that shows Huckabee winning some poll.

Too early, though if more people are already looking ahead to 2012 when Ogabe has been in office less than a year, that might be a good thing.

Bishop on October 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Ogabe. Get it? Like, Mugabe? African dictator? It's gotten to the point over there where almost any and every reference to him or his wife has a racist bent to it. Scary. No wonder they're so upset about this whole Limbaugh thing.

The "Ogabe" slur originally came from ... yes, Rush Limbaugh.

485 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:25:13am

re: #189 enoughalready

Yeah, let's hate him for supporting Solidarity. That was really a shitty move.

Hate? I might disagree with the man, but hate his work? A bit strong, don't you think?

This is frickin' weird. And quoting that interview as some sort of attempt to discredit him? Really, really weird.

I understand people think very highly of themselves and what they'd do in similar circumstances, but without any experience that approximates those circumstances, I think they should be very careful.

Wait I mean bringing up what someone had to do to survive the holocaust as a teenager as some kind of attack is totally out of bounds. I really hope you aren't doing that.

486 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:26:01am

re: #295 Charles

Al Sharpton is threatening to sue Rush Limbaugh over his WSJ article:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Battle of the Blowhards! Will they sell tickets?

487 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:26:45am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Totally jacked.. My Company is sending me to Singapore in about 60 days to do a job...I'm googling Singapore constantly.. I am so excited...
If I get to go to a Soccer game in my Dutch 2004 World cup orange uniform eating noodles in the Stadium...Well...I'm just ecstatic.. I'll take lots of pics bro and send them to you...From what I read I won't need to rent a car.. Mass transit and tons of Cabs...Weee!

Sounds awesome, HH! You're correct re: Singapore's public transit; besides, driving is taxed similarly to London's congestion charge. Also, Singapore's National Stadium is a pretty nice place for a Soccer match, with no hooligans to disrupt the fun.

Have stayed there 5 times since 2002; my first time in Asia was in fact there. A wise move as it turned out; the Garden City is best at preparing travelers in the best way possible for the wonders that await elsewhere in that corner of the world. Give me a shout if you need any particular advice.
:-)

488 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:26:51am

re: #481 Ojoe

I think it's too late. He's been doing this for a very long time. The damage is done.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:27:44am

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

LOL...my moonbat sis-in-law gave me a lecture on chemtrails once.

Some day, I will actually look up what chemtrails are. I am only familiar with them from here, as a kind of punch line.

490 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #487 Surabaya Stew

Sounds awesome, HH! You're correct re: Singapore's public transit; besides, driving is taxed similarly to London's congestion charge. Also, Singapore's National Stadium is a pretty nice place for a Soccer match, with no hooligans to disrupt the fun.

Have stayed there 5 times since 2002; my first time in Asia was in fact there. A wise move as it turned out; the Garden City is best at preparing travelers in the best way possible for the wonders that await elsewhere in that corner of the world. Give me a shout if you need any particular advice.
:-)

Awesome...You advice will be welcome..What was your favorite place to eat?

491 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:30:00am

re: #354 NJDhockeyfan

I loved fucking with her. One Christmas I had her going about the tsunami in Thailand back on 2004. She believes it was possible George Bush created the earthquake to make the tsunami. She is off her rocker.

Wow. That's some serious power there. Why did we bother with bombs and shit in Iraq if George could have just jumped out of a plane and rocked the place into submission?

492 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:30:09am

re: #482 BigPapa

I would not quantify that as racism and clearly not bigotry. Literally speaking it could be a type of racism; instead of being against/detrimental of a race, it is supportive/promotive of a race. But I think it's a waste of time and risky to clumsily call it racism. Forget about what it is.

The problem is that this is still going against MLK's tenet. You're treating people differently because of their race or skin color, even though the intention is noble and it's for a good cause. It just doesn't sit right with me and I can't find myself to do that.

I disagree with you. Those who support minorities are of the belief that all people should get equal footing, as was MLK's tenet as you say. But we all know that doesn't happen. If we didn't have laws protecting minorities (housing, education, jobs and the like) we'd be living in a fascist state. That doesn't mean that people don't try to cheat or get around the system. Rich white folks do that, of course, too.

493 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:31:04am

re: #484 Charles

Ha! That is TOO funny. Right now I'm hypnotized by the thread started on Hot Air about the Impeach Obama campaign. He meant the post as a means to discredit the guy who started the campaign, but, as is often the case over there, they all zigged when he was trying to zag.

I don’t have your certitude that the filthy lying coward in the White House is going to be free of impeachable actions for four full years.

highhopes on October 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM


So would I but let’s remember one thing. The filthy lying coward in the White House could commit a murder, rape, and bank heist at the State of the Union speech and he still would not be impeached. There are too many who are willing to ignore the rat bastard traitor’s actions because he is black. This is the sine qua non of using the race card to destroy America.

highhopes on October 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:31:44am

re: #361 BigPapa

OMG, I'm on a Cynthia McKinney kick this AM.

I give you McKinney vs Rumsfeld.

Folks, please note, her hair does sometimes look very normal. The picture Charles uses when she's in the news was from a very, very bad hair day.

That is all.

495 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:31:48am

re: #480 Splatt

Ogabe. Get it? Like, Mugabe? African dictator? It's gotten to the point over there where almost any and every reference to him or his wife has a racist bent to it. Scary. No wonder they're so upset about this whole Limbaugh thing.

And that is the problem with the intarwebs. The behavior is similar to people on the left who couldn't refer to Bush without some kind of slur. Internet anonymity allows anyone who wishes uncontrolled emotional response, actions without real consequences.

There are now consequences here on LGF.

It may be that the group of blog hosts need to start acting like adults and not hide behind the 'free comments' meme and police their blogs more stringently. Maybe even to not allow posters unless they use their real names. Then the consequences become more significant. I've pondered if having a blog where all account holders had to use their real names and places of residence, if that would reduce some of the real idiocy.

I'm sure Charles has thought of it too.

496 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:32:02am

re: #487 Surabaya Stew

Sounds awesome, HH! You're correct re: Singapore's public transit; besides, driving is taxed similarly to London's congestion charge. Also, Singapore's National Stadium is a pretty nice place for a Soccer match, with no hooligans to disrupt the fun.

Have stayed there 5 times since 2002; my first time in Asia was in fact there. A wise move as it turned out; the Garden City is best at preparing travelers in the best way possible for the wonders that await elsewhere in that corner of the world. Give me a shout if you need any particular advice.
:-)

Don't stand too close to Surabaya Stew, though. That's an opened durian he's got there...

497 fizzlogic  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:32:51am

When I hear Rush refer to a black guy having a chip on his shoulder, that's enough for me. That's dog whistle racism.

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:34:39am

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

NOW makes statement in 5,4,3,2,1... crickets?

I know I have to say this every damn time, but NOW has a national, not international, agenda. They did make a statement on the woman whose husband decapitated her in Jersey or New York.

499 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:34:55am

Here's another documented Rush quote:

"Holocaust? Ninety million Indians, only 4 million left? They all have casinos...what's to complain about?"
500 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:35:21am

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

Is that in the Koran?

One tends to doubt it.

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #412 ggt

Oh, but those firm, pushed-up breasts might excite one of them. You see, it's not the man's responsiblity to control himself, it's always the woman's fault.

///!

However, inspecting the breasts to see if the woman is wearing a bra, and watching her shake them is NOT arousing any of these heavily armed men.

//I say, arm the ladies and let them enforce their version of Islam.

502 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:37:11am

re: #496 austin_blue

Don't stand too close to Surabaya Stew, though. That's an opened durian he's got there...

LOL
I forgot to check if they sell Bud Light in Singapore...

503 lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #478 Charles

A few more Limbaugh quotes compiled by FAIR:

I am disappointed. Whatever you think of Rush, you can't just go throwing around quotes that can't be verified and attribute them to Rush. You did it when you linked to the "Top 10 Rush Limbaugh Racist Quotes" article, since many of those quotes were unverifiable, and you just did it again by quoting FAIR. A quick check of Snopes shows the NAACP comment cannot be pinned down to a time and date. It is not verifiable. You always insist on verifiable evidence when arguing creationism or AGW, so why the double standard here? Arguing that they no one can prove he didn't say them is just silly. You can't prove a negative. The quotes you listed on the front page were verified and make your point well enough, so why go back to shoveling quotes that are dubious in nature?

504 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:38:59am

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

I know I have to say this every damn time, but NOW has a national, not international, agenda. They did make a statement on the woman whose husband decapitated her in Jersey or New York.

Er, got that.

505 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #502 HoosierHoops

LOL
I forgot to check if they sell Bud Light in Singapore...

Check it out:

[Link: beerasia.blogspot.com...]

506 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

I know I have to say this every damn time, but NOW has a national, not international, agenda. They did make a statement on the woman whose husband decapitated her in Jersey or New York.

Ok...

UN makes statement in 5,4,3,2,1... crickets?

507 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #505 austin_blue

Check it out:

[Link: beerasia.blogspot.com...]

bookmarked..
Thanks blue

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #442 HoosierHoops

Hi You!
Hope today finds you well
I'm going to Singapore in about 60 days! Yes I'm excited..I'll twitter you..*wink*
#Hoopster:I don't understand what the policeman is saying..What?
#Hoopster: yummy..Jail food is really good..
#Hoopster: The nice policeman has my AMEX card...Food is really good
#Hoopster: So..What's up with the Cain Mr. Policeman? What? I'll be right back...

Yeah, you'll have fun...no matter what!

509 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:40:22am

I'm going to say something racist, and if you call me a racist for saying the racist thing I just said is racist, then YOU, sir, are a racist. Because only a racist would make an issue of race in the context of me saying something that could be construed as racist. Don't you get it?

510 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #492 marjoriemoon

I disagree with you. Those who support minorities are of the belief that all people should get equal footing, as was MLK's tenet as you say. But we all know that doesn't happen. If we didn't have laws protecting minorities (housing, education, jobs and the like) we'd be living in a fascist state.

Huh? I'll leave that bolded statement be for now if you wish to restate it.

Those that support minorities are doing so going against MLK's Golden Tenet. That being 'judged by content of their character not color of their skin.' Being of equal footing supported by that.

What you are essentially advocating is positive/supportive racism, supporting a people or race over another. Clearly not the same thing as negative/reductive bigotry, being against a race. What you are advocating is for a good cause with the best of intentions.

However, you are judging people by the color of their skin. There is no way around it. It's essentially pro-racism for the sake of making up for the anti-racism.

I prefer to just stop all of it altogether and move on with it.

511 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:42:42am

re: #503 lightspeed

I am disappointed.

Somehow I'll try to carry on despite your disappointment.

512 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:42:57am

OT - Kinda:

I keep seeing references to "memes". Now, I've read my Dawkins, albeit some years ago, and I "get" the idea of an individual unit of cultural information being transmitted, and understand that the Interwebs make it far more likely for these "memes" to get spread around.

Anyway, I've noticed that to describe a given idea, suggestion, or bit of history as a "meme" is now evidently sufficient grounds to discard said idea, suggestion, or bit of history.

Is a thing "meme-ified" by virtue of its origin, its transmission, or what?
Does calling a thing a meme suffice to refute it?

513 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

Honest question, did Lincoln suggest reparations?

40 acres and a mule.

514 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:44:11am

re: #496 austin_blue

Don't stand too close to Surabaya Stew, though. That's an opened durian he's got there...

Hey AB, good eye there! Yes, the Durian is notorious all over the region for being the most obnoxious and stinky fruit Mother Nature ever devised. Reportedly the only plant matter the carnivorous Tiger will crave, stores and hotels will post "No Durians allowed" signs to prohibit customers from fouling up the premises.

In its raw state, the Durian rages in smell from a decaying bouquet of flowers to putrid rotting meat. Taste wise, its raw form comes somewhere between an onion and a mango. It's defiantly a matter of personal taste preference, but I'd encourage all Lizards to try it at least once in life!

515 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #464 keithgabryelski

That got bandied about yesterday. Of course, at least one Lizard was willing to dismiss it out of hand because of Carville...but I think anyone who is right of center would be silly not to at least consider what is being said there.

516 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:45:18am

re: #488 Killgore Trout

That is why I think the Modern Whigs are a good idea.

517 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:45:26am

re: #514 Surabaya Stew

In its raw state, the Durian rages in smell from a decaying bouquet of flowers to putrid rotting meat. Taste wise, its raw form comes somewhere between an onion and a mango. It's defiantly a matter of personal taste preference, but I'd encourage all Lizards to try it at least once in life!

- outside, and away from the windows, of course.

518 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:46:34am

re: #512 Guanxi88

OT - Kinda:

I keep seeing references to "memes". Now, I've read my Dawkins, albeit some years ago, and I "get" the idea of an individual unit of cultural information being transmitted, and understand that the Interwebs make it far more likely for these "memes" to get spread around.

Anyway, I've noticed that to describe a given idea, suggestion, or bit of history as a "meme" is now evidently sufficient grounds to discard said idea, suggestion, or bit of history.

Is a thing "meme-ified" by virtue of its origin, its transmission, or what?
Does calling a thing a meme suffice to refute it?

And, as this just occurred to me - does the disqualification of an idea as a meme constitute a meme itself? If not, why not, if so, what truth-value can be assigned to the proposition?

519 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:47:16am

re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist

Folks, please note, her hair does sometimes look very normal. The picture Charles uses when she's in the news was from a very, very bad hair day.

That is all.

And that's just about the only thing about her that is normal. Atlanta talk show host Neal Boortz made no end of sport of her idiocy, when she was in Congress.

520 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #514 Surabaya Stew

Once should do it.

521 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:48:09am

re: #502 HoosierHoops

LOL
I forgot to check if they sell Bud Light in Singapore...

The ex-pat places certainly will, but they will overcharge for it. I don't drink beer myself, but Tiger from Malaysia and Bintang from Indonesia are supposed to be fairly drinkable and they're both inexpensive and easy to find.

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:48:50am

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

Er, got that.

Sorry, it's just one of my pet peeves. NOW is actually a pretty good group.

523 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:49:17am
524 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #503 lightspeed

With all due respect..You don't have any idea what you are talking about...
Let me clue you in..There are hundreds of blogs...Millions in the Sports world..
That are disgusted by Rush's politics..We don't want him or you in our world of sports...He is deeply despised..Not over this last week..No for years now..He is deeply disliked.. It's not a top 10 comment list..It goes so much deeper...For a long long time.. Rush ain't walking nowhere near a Team like his is a investor and hot shot.. Nobody cares how much money he has..
I don't care how much Rush loves Sports.
Sports doesn't love Rush
Sorry about your luck

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:50:10am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Ok...

UN makes statement in 5,4,3,2,1... crickets?

Those crickets will grow old and die, dude.

Amnesty might make a statement. They're sometimes OK except when they're being insane about Israel.

But no one's statement is going to do much good. That's the sucky part.

526 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:51:06am

re: #511 Charles

Somehow I'll try to carry on despite your disappointment.

OK, I'm clear now. Unverifiable defamatory quotes someone might have said, but can't be proven to have said (but can't NOT be proven) are fair game. Gotcha.

527 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:51:11am

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

Those crickets will grow old and die, dude.

Amnesty might make a statement. They're sometimes OK except when they're being insane about Israel.

But no one's statement is going to do much good. That's the sucky part.

Yep, everybody seems quite content to just let the people of Somalia suffer. Disgusting.

528 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #510 BigPapa

Huh? I'll leave that bolded statement be for now if you wish to restate it.

Those that support minorities are doing so going against MLK's Golden Tenet. That being 'judged by content of their character not color of their skin.' Being of equal footing supported by that.

What you are essentially advocating is positive/supportive racism, supporting a people or race over another. Clearly not the same thing as negative/reductive bigotry, being against a race. What you are advocating is for a good cause with the best of intentions.

However, you are judging people by the color of their skin. There is no way around it. It's essentially pro-racism for the sake of making up for the anti-racism.

I prefer to just stop all of it altogether and move on with it.

When I'm talking about protective laws, I'm speaking of laws that protect everyone. That you cannot be denied housing, education or jobs because or race, creed or color. Maybe that will clarify my position. I don't judge folks on their race, creed or color and I'll even throw religion and sex in there, but plenty of others do.

529 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #514 Surabaya Stew

Hey AB, good eye there! Yes, the Durian is notorious all over the region for being the most obnoxious and stinky fruit Mother Nature ever devised. Reportedly the only plant matter the carnivorous Tiger will crave, stores and hotels will post "No Durians allowed" signs to prohibit customers from fouling up the premises.

In its raw state, the Durian rages in smell from a decaying bouquet of flowers to putrid rotting meat. Taste wise, its raw form comes somewhere between an onion and a mango. It's defiantly a matter of personal taste preference, but I'd encourage all Lizards to try it at least once in life!

Been there (Brunei), did that (ate a chunk of the rotting-meat smelling fruit), and I should have a gotten a T-shirt for my trouble...

Actually, it is delicious- kind of a mango-custard-passionfruit combo. You just have to get it past your nose.

530 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:52:32am

I'm watching the Twitter feed from WCPAC...

Congressman @DanaRohrabacher says this is a fight between the globalists and the patriots #wcpac = Which side R U on?


...

We have a Birther...doh

New World Order, Impeachment, Birthers, Nazis, etc.
Behold the new Republican party.

531 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:52:39am

Mark Steyn is someone many of us admire. I am posting his column on "L'Affaire Limbaugh" and "L'Affaire Dunn" without comment.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Decide for yourselves if any of his points are legitimate ...

532 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:53:15am

re: #526 Lightspeed

As has been said over and over, the verified quotes are more than sufficient to explain why many consider Rush a racist. The fact that some of the quotes were likely invented doesn't excuse what he is recorded as saying.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #513 sagehen

40 acres and a mule.

I don't know that I would call that reparations, but rather, providing a means of self-support for people who had been left without one. The bulk of the ex-slave population was uneducated and without resources, but they did know how to farm.

534 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:54:58am

re: #531 _RememberTonyC

It's too bad Mark Steyn needs to focus on one thing Limbaugh didn't say in order to make his point. Examining all the relevant documented racist statements would have been honest.

535 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:55:52am
"When government is the enemy, Republicans win. " -- Tom Del Beccaro #wcpac


Win!

536 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:55:59am

Wow - major wingnuttery over on Hot Air. The Reich Wing is out in full force.

How often do they open up registration over there? I've been checking both that site and Malkin's for MONTHS, and it seems like registration has been closed forever. The thing I find interesting is that, on both sites, there's only one token Liberal allowed to post dissenting views. You have to go to Fox Nation to see what all out war among the right and left wing looks like. It's pretty awesome. Fox Nation is VERY "liberal" in their registration policies; they'll let just about anyone anytime register.

537 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:56:27am

re: #350 The Sanity Inspector

OTOH...

One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many millions of innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity, is- beware intellectuals. Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should be also be objects of particular scorn when they seek to offer collective advice.
--Paul Johnson

Classic anti-intellectualism I would say. And complete rubbish. How is this one of the principal lessons of the 20th century? Fear mongering.


There is nothing so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have.
--Don Herold

Not really someone I would use to argue that intellectuals are dangerous or that anti-intellectualism is good. This is a nice little quote to tickle someone who is a bit afraid of intellectuals by talking about the "common sense", the idea that the down-to-earth individual knows better than the well-read.


Intellectuals are people who believe that ideas are of more importance than values. That is to say, their own ideas and other people's values.
--Gerald Brenan

Values. Oh how I LOVE that word.


Middle-class intellectuals are a little too inclined to resent poorer people acquiring for the first time material possessions, and especially luxuries, of a kind they themselves have always taken for granted.
--Paul Johnson

Bah. Crap.

538 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #524 HoosierHoops

With all due respect..You don't have any idea what you are talking about...
Let me clue you in..There are hundreds of blogs...Millions in the Sports world..
That are disgusted by Rush's politics..We don't want him or you in our world of sports...He is deeply despised..Not over this last week..No for years now..He is deeply disliked.. It's not a top 10 comment list..It goes so much deeper...For a long long time.. Rush ain't walking nowhere near a Team like his is a investor and hot shot.. Nobody cares how much money he has..
I don't care how much Rush loves Sports.
Sports doesn't love Rush
Sorry about your luck

With all due respect, you missed my point. Charles posted legitimate quotes from Rush, but has also posted quotes that cannot be verified. There is no need to do so to make his point, and it detracts from his credibility. There are plenty of controversial quotes to attack Rush with without throwing out unverifiable (and likely false) quotes like this one:

Charles:

"A classic: You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]."

You can't just throw that out there and not back it up with something solid.

539 webevintage  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:57:10am

The more I think about poor Rush and his dreams dashed on the shore of Obama's America for his partners and the NFL the question was NOT "Is Rush a racist" but "is Rush gonna cause loads of butthurt because he has a habit of saying things that piss off a good portion of Americans?".
Why would they want to constantly worry "what fire did he begin this week that could be seen as sexist, racist, mean, denigrating to the President or just plain nuts/controversial/offensive that we will have to spend time, energy and money to put out?".

540 tradewind  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:57:35am

re: #442 HoosierHoops

Can you have a great time in Singapore?
Yes you Cane!

541 Linden Arden  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:57:39am

re: #499 jaunte

Here's another documented Rush quote:

Wow, that is disgusting even for Limbaugh - and a new one for me. He managed to belittle two ethnic groups in one quote.

542 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:57:53am

re: #534 jaunte

It's too bad Mark Steyn needs to focus on one thing Limbaugh didn't say in order to make his point. Examining all the relevant documented racist statements would have been honest.

And this from Steyn:

Rush Limbaugh is so “divisive” that to get him fired leftie agitators have to invent racist soundbites to put in his mouth.


is flat out bullshit.

543 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:58:20am

re: #534 jaunte

It's too bad Mark Steyn needs to focus on one thing Limbaugh didn't say in order to make his point. Examining all the relevant documented racist statements would have been honest.

In fairness, Steyn will not be 100% objective about rush. After all, he does fill in as host of rush's show on occasion. I think his point about Dunn was pretty solid, but it would have been more effective if it had not been linked to his point about rush. His point about Dunn and his hypothetical comparison to the late Tony Snow was pretty convincing on its own.

544 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:58:48am

re: #542 jaunte

This bit from Steyn is also obnoxious:

Whoops, can you say “Chinamen” or is that racist? Oh, and sexist. So hard keeping up with the Sensitivity Police in this pansified political culture, isn’t it?

545 Ponch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:58:55am

re: #452 swamprat

@ swamprat:

Sweet! I got "called out"!!!

First of all, the "down-ding" was in reference to your potty mouth. Not sure how that enhances your or anyone's argument.

Second, maybe you can explain how "thought crime" has ANYTHING to do with this thread? My understanding of the definition of "thought crime" comes from the following:
"In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts ..."

Rush Limbaugh's story aside, are you telling me that a person is guilty of a crime just because they might have THOUGHT of committing the crime? That's just absurd...or maybe you DO agree with "HR 1955 Thought Crime Legislation"?

THOSE are the two reasons why I "down-dinged" you...however, I'll take the "down-ding" back if you can prove that you're a mind reader. ;-)

But thnx for the "call out"!

546 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:58:56am

re: #532 bratwurst

As has been said over and over, the verified quotes are more than sufficient to explain why many consider Rush a racist. The fact that some of the quotes were likely invented doesn't excuse what he is recorded as saying.

I am not excusing it. Stick to what we know he actually said. Geez, does the truth even matter? You have plenty of ammunition without citing (probably) made up quotes.

547 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #503 lightspeed

A quick check of Snopes shows the NAACP comment cannot be pinned down to a time and date. It is not verifiable.

Snopes, by the way, is wrong when they say that there's no source for the quote -- it is now sourced to FAIR. You may want to try to argue that it's false, but then you have to prove that FAIR is lying about it. Why would they do that, when there is no lack of other quotes they could use?

And what about the Spike Lee quote or the others they cite? I notice -- AGAIN -- that the apologists like you simply glide right past those as if they don't exist, to scream about the few quotes that are questionable.

And by "questionable," I mean exactly that. With Limbaugh's long long history of racist statements, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and take his word for it when he says he didn't say those things.

548 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:00:50pm

Alright, this is the last one I'll post - but I think this one post just about sums up the prevailing sentiment over there on Hot Air...

I honestly would trust osama bin laden MORE
than all of the democrats and obama combined..
For osama is only trying to kill us
Democrats are trying to destroy our entire nation..
They are ALL EVIL..
To damned bad if you dont like it..

veteranoutrage on October 17, 2009 at 2:57 PM

549 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #483 The Sanity Inspector

Yet, Christianity was open-ended enough that the Christian West could produce and grow The Enlightenment. It remains to be seen if the much more inward-looking system of fundamentalist Islam can do the same.

The Iranian protesters are trying to do exactly that.

(November 4 is their next big event)

550 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #543 _RememberTonyC

I'm not a big Dunn supporter, and I think she was dumb to call Mao one of ther favorite political philosophers without expecting some reaction. However, one of Goldwater's campaign advisors also quoted Mao as a political philosopher, so I think some (most?) of the outrage over this is manufactured.

551 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:02:03pm

re: #526 Lightspeed

No you don't get it pal...Have you read anything I've posted? Rush is deeply despised in the sports world..Not just for stuff he said on some crazy on some radio show..
You wanna talk about Rush? Talk to me...Forget Charles...Bring your little snark right here...

552 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:02:29pm

re: #490 HoosierHoops

Awesome...You advice will be welcome..What was your favorite place to eat?

Glad to be of service, HH. Favorite place to eat...Hmmm, thats like choosing a favorite place in my native Big Apple, so many damn options!

First of all, hygine standards are very high there, so street vendors (known as hawker stalls) are all pretty acceptable places to eat. A semi-national pastime of the City-State is hunting down and eating from the more obscure of these establishments. Newton Circus after dark has a large number of the best places, and nearly every Singapore Housing Estate has a food court where only the locals go. Several locations in the Downtown area (one of them was in a former Victorian-era enclosed market), are also know for good and cheap Hawker stall eats.

Second of all, while Singaporean Chinese food is fantastic (and usually the only places that you will be able to find pork dishes), it would be a crime to pass on the Malay and Indian gastronomical options. For basics, roti canai is eaten daily (as in Malaysia) and the Malays contribute withsatay far better and cheaper than anything you'll find here (outside of Indonesian places, that is!)

Third of all...oops, look at the time! I've GTG before my client kills me, HH; will have to finish up later...

553 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:03:35pm

re: #523 Killgore Trout

Who is this Rush Limbach fellow that CPAC will sell you a picture of?

554 Liberandos  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:04:47pm

re: #470 HoosierHoops

I feel the vast majority of conservatives and Lizards that feel the same way about minorities. That is, we want them to do well and be successful.

555 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #503 lightspeed

Right. I'm glad that Snopes has been referenced here, and feel it should have been consulted earlier. We want no "fake but accurate" accusations on our part.

556 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #546 Lightspeed

re: #546 Lightspeed

I am not excusing it. Stick to what we know he actually said.

Ok, you got it.

Based on what we know he actually said, I can understand why more than a few people consider him a racist. How about you?

557 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:06:33pm

re: #550 jaunte

I'm not a big Dunn supporter, and I think she was dumb to call Mao one of ther favorite political philosophers without expecting some reaction. However, one of Goldwater's campaign advisors also quoted Mao as a political philosopher, so I think some (most?) of the outrage over this is manufactured.

Quoting Mao isn't the problem. I quote Mao, I quote Deng Xiaoping, et al.

She quoted Mao as part of a larger story about his struggle to consolidate his control over mainland China during the civil war against his former comrade Chiang Kai-shek. To encourage high schoolers to persevere.

Tone-deaf and dumb doesn't begin to describe it.

558 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:07:01pm

re: #553 Mich-again

Is that an impersonator?

559 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #550 jaunte

I'm not a big Dunn supporter, and I think she was dumb to call Mao one of ther favorite political philosophers without expecting some reaction. However, one of Goldwater's campaign advisors also quoted Mao as a political philosopher, so I think some (most?) of the outrage over this is manufactured.

Some perhaps, but who remembers what Goldwater's advisors said 45 years ago? I'm not really outraged by Dunn's comments. As far as I can tell, she quoted something along the lines of "you fight your war, I'll fight mine." Pretty innocuous stuff. But the part where she identified him as one of her favored political philosophers was stupid in the extreme. And when someone who publicly displays such stupidity is passing judgment on others, I say her credibility is compromised in much the same way as the shriekers on the right.

560 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:07:38pm

re: #557 Guanxi88

It's been done by Republicans too.

In his recent book, How to Win an Election, Stephen C. Shadegg cites a statement attributed to Mao Tse-tung: “Give me just two or three men in a village and I will take the village.” Shadegg comments: “ In the Goldwater campaigns of 1952 and 1958 and in all other campaigns where I have served as consultant I have followed the advice of Mao Tse-tung.” “I would suggest,” writes senator Goldwater in Why Not Victory? “that we analyze and copy the strategy of the enemy; theirs has worked and ours has not.[Link: karws.gso.uri.edu...]
561 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #554 Liberandos

I feel the vast majority of conservatives and Lizards that feel the same way about minorities. That is, we want them to do well and be successful.

I think you are correct.. We always want people to do well...
Regards

562 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:09:42pm

re: #551 HoosierHoops

No you don't get it pal...Have you read anything I've posted? Rush is deeply despised in the sports world..Not just for stuff he said on some crazy on some radio show..
You wanna talk about Rush? Talk to me...Forget Charles...Bring your little snark right here...

A little pissy, aren't you? I didn't disupte your point that Rush is deeply despised in the sports world. Maybe he is, I have no way of knowing. I also am not defending Rush, a number of the verifiable Rush quotes are, indeed, racist. Keep the discussion honest, don't throw out stuff that can't even be pinned to a time and date. Let Sanchez on CNN do that.

563 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:11:30pm

My work day is done and I'm off to see my son play in a tennis match ...

So long Lizards ... be good to each other.

564 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:12:04pm

re: #550 jaunte

I'm not a big Dunn supporter, and I think she was dumb to call Mao one of ther favorite political philosophers...

That isn't what she said. That's only half of her sentence, and it eliminates the sentence's subject.

565 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:12:13pm

re: #560 jaunte

The embracing of Mao by Republicans goes deeper...MUCH deeper:

Image: 041.jpg

566 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #560 jaunte

It's been done by Republicans too.

It's been done by me, too. What's the point? Tone-deaf and dumb only begin to describe it. No other examples could she come up with?

Goldwater's advisor cited Mao's advice precisely to illustrate and underline the guerrrilla nature of their efforts to co-opt local party groups. It fit the case because it described what they sought to do in this instance.

567 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:13:49pm

re: #565 bratwurst

The embracing of Mao by Republicans goes deeper...MUCH deeper:

[Link: blogs.e-rockford.com...]

Yes, Nixon certainly could be considered as some likely to quote Mao's maxims approvingly, and draw from Mao's biography in addressing high schoolers.

(Love the picture, though. Talk about two of the jowliest guys in history, eh?

568 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #547 Charles


And what about the Spike Lee quote or the others they cite? I notice -- AGAIN -- that the apologists like you simply glide right past those as if they don't exist, to scream about the few quotes that are questionable.

And by "questionable," I mean exactly that. With Limbaugh's long long history of racist statements, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and take his word for it when he says he didn't say those things.

I am not "gliding" past anything. The Spike Lee quote is racist as are some of the others. But when a source is unable to even give a time and date when something was said, it smells. You make your case just fine without adding these quotes. And, c'mon, do you really think he said the James Earl Ray thing?

569 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #566 Guanxi88

I think what Dunn said provided Steyn and others with a pseudo-tu quoque to take some of the heat off Limbaugh.

570 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:16:59pm

re: #569 jaunte

I think what Dunn said provided Steyn and others with a pseudo-tu quoque to take some of the heat off Limbaugh.

Hey, any port in a storm, and a drowning man will grasp at straws to stay a float. Dead-on, though.

What puzzles me, though, is why they're invested in him to this extent. He's not that important to the party or conservativism, is he? Once he might have been, but today?

571 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:17:05pm

re: #545 Ponch
Sweet! I got "called out"!!!

First of all, the "down-ding" was in reference to your potty mouth. Not sure how that enhances your or anyone's argument.

That is a fair reason.

Second, maybe you can explain how "thought crime" has ANYTHING to do with this thread?

Well, you would have to take that up with the person I was quoting.

Rush Limbaugh's story aside, are you telling me that a person is guilty of a crime just because they might have THOUGHT of committing the crime? That's just absurd...or maybe you DO agree with "HR 1955 Thought Crime Legislation"?

A couple of points; "thought-crime" nonsense is frequently used by racists to defend the indefensible.
I was hoping you were one of those who could be goaded into revealing himself. The fact that you dinged down a number of pro-rush comments means that I probably was mistaken.


THOSE are the two reasons why I "down-dinged" you...however, I'll take the "down-ding" back if you can prove that you're a mind reader. ;-)


Done. You don't think well of me.
(bows)

Enjoy your day.

572 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:17:24pm

This is what his WSJ editorial SHOULD have said...

Image: 34oapud.jpg

573 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #570 Guanxi88

Panic maybe? Rallying around anyone that looks like they can provide a following.

574 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:19:06pm

re: #567 Guanxi88

My point is that Dunn's quoting Mao in the way she did does not indicate her approval of everything about the man any more than Tricky Dicky actually shaking the man's hand does.

575 simoom  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:19:44pm

@Charles

I just had a thought for a LGF update/tweak.

One of my comments received a down-ding which canceled out a previous up-ding, returning the indicator to the default grayed-out '0'. The only reason I noticed it was that I'd previously seen the comment with a green '1' in its heading. So my idea is that when a comment that has received up-dings and down-dings that cancel out to 0, the zero has some sort of color to differentiate it from a comment that has received no dings. Maybe a green '0' or cyan perhaps?

576 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:20:21pm

My lefty friends have always thought Limbaugh a jerk.

BBL

577 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:21:21pm

re: #562 Lightspeed

A little pissy, aren't you? I didn't disupte your point that Rush is deeply despised in the sports world. Maybe he is, I have no way of knowing. I also am not defending Rush, a number of the verifiable Rush quotes are, indeed, racist. Keep the discussion honest, don't throw out stuff that can't even be pinned to a time and date. Let Sanchez on CNN do that.

Yup..just a little pissy about Rush..
Time and dates..Oh freaking please..This goes back at least 5 years..Are you Serious? Bring it...defend Rush

578 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:21:52pm

re: #528 marjoriemoon

I don't judge folks on their race, creed or color and I'll even throw religion and sex in there, but plenty of others do.

Yes you do as you just stated upthread.

579 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:22:54pm

re: #574 bratwurst

My point is that Dunn's quoting Mao in the way she did does not indicate her approval of everything about the man any more than Tricky Dicky actually shaking the man's hand does.

Wonder what Mao thought about old Nixy, though?

What strikes me, though, is that that little piece of Chinese history is not commonly known in the West. Hell, very few Westerners know anything about Chinese history at all. It shows a level of familiarity with the subject that is unusual, to say the least, and her "take" on it shows a certain sympathy with Mao.

I mean - you wanna talk about perseverance? Same history, same personnel - Chiang leading his troops and government to safety on Formosa, overseeing one of hte largest maritime evacuations in Asian history, under fire the entire time, and while rescuing Chinese cultural relics, full sets of government records, and all the rest of it, and then going on to build a 1st world industrial nation on what had been an island of fishermen and tea farmers in less than 25 years? THAT'S PERSEVERANCE!

580 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:23:59pm

re: #556 bratwurst

re: #546 Lightspeed


Ok, you got it.

Based on what we know he actually said, I can understand why more than a few people consider him a racist. How about you?

I don't consider him a racist. I think he has, over the course of many years, said a number of boneheaded, racially insensitive things. Almost every one I know has done the same to one degree or another.

Reading these quotes makes me raise an eyebrow, but I won't tar him with the racist label. I will listen with a more open mind, though.

581 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #554 Liberandos

I feel the vast majority of conservatives and Lizards that feel the same way about minorities. That is, we want them to do well and be successful.

Who do you mean by 'them?' Minorities? I would think that we all should want all people to do well, including minorities.

582 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:25:52pm
I really don’t understand all the doubt...?
It’s all too obvious; what Rush is about...!

Cried the crow...

583 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:26:29pm

re: #566 Guanxi88

It's been done by me, too. What's the point? Tone-deaf and dumb only begin to describe it. No other examples could she come up with?

Goldwater's advisor cited Mao's advice precisely to illustrate and underline the guerrrilla nature of their efforts to co-opt local party groups. It fit the case because it described what they sought to do in this instance.

That sort of thing falls into the "Rommel, you magnificent son of bitch, I read your book!" category, not in the outright, unfeigned admiration category.

584 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:27:37pm

re: #568 Lightspeed

And, c'mon, do you really think he said the James Earl Ray thing?

I don't know if he said it or not. He claims he didn't.

This book claims he did:

[Link: books.google.com...]

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #574 bratwurst

My point is that Dunn's quoting Mao in the way she did does not indicate her approval of everything about the man any more than Tricky Dicky actually shaking the man's hand does.

But did Nixon BOW?

/

586 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:29:37pm

re: #585 SanFranciscoZionist

But did Nixon BOW?

/

Nixon bows to no man!

587 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:04pm

re: #579 Guanxi88

Wonder what Mao thought about old Nixy, though?

"And people say I have jowls!"

588 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:07pm

re: #577 HoosierHoops

Yup..just a little pissy about Rush..
Time and dates..Oh freaking please..This goes back at least 5 years..Are you Serious? Bring it...defend Rush

My point, which you still don't seem to get, was never to defend Rush. The point (pay attention) is that if you are going to attack Rush, attack him with things you can actually prove he said. There have been a number of quotes that don't fall into this category mentioned in this (an other) threads. Oh, and you can stop trying to bait me.

589 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:21pm

re: #578 BigPapa

Yes you do as you just stated upthread.

You're putting words in my mouth. I said I support minorities and want to see "them do well" and was very clear about how and why, to get a fair shake. Why do you have a problem with that?

590 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #587 bratwurst

"And people say I have jowls!"

One of the things I loved about Nixon was that he was so very obviously uncomfortable in his own skin. Somehow, it endears him to me.

Yeah, it's weird, but he kinda reminds me of me in that regard.

591 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:35:19pm

re: #499 jaunte

Here's another documented Rush quote:

Holy...

592 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:35:31pm

re: #584 Charles

I don't know if he said it or not. He claims he didn't.

This book claims he did:

[Link: books.google.com...]

Yes, that book claims he did--with no supporting documentation. Anyone can write a book. Huberman has written for The Nation and the Huffington Post, so I am sure he has no axe to grind. Oh yeah, he was also a driving force behind Bush Derangement Syndrome, writing the book, The Bush-Hater’s Handbook: An A-Z Guide To The Most Appalling Presidency Of The Past 100 Years. Great source for a quote.

593 poteen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:36:43pm

re: #584 Charles

I don't know if he said it or not. He claims he didn't.

This book claims he did:

[Link: books.google.com...]

I think I'll take that with a grain of salt.

.Books by Huberman

594 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #592 Lightspeed

Yes, that book claims he did--with no supporting documentation. Anyone can write a book. Huberman has written for The Nation and the Huffington Post, so I am sure he has no axe to grind. Oh yeah, he was also a driving force behind Bush Derangement Syndrome, writing the book, The Bush-Hater’s Handbook: An A-Z Guide To The Most Appalling Presidency Of The Past 100 Years. Great source for a quote.

Right -- on one side you have a writer for The Nation, on the other you have a race-baiting extremist with a long history of ugly commentary.

As I wrote, I don't know which one to believe, but I'm certainly not going to just take Rush Limbaugh's word for it.

595 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:39:44pm

re: #537 enoughalready

Classic anti-intellectualism I would say. And complete rubbish. How is this one of the principal lessons of the 20th century? Fear mongering.

Okay. Try this one, then:

Angka Loeu consisted of about twenty professional political intellectuals...All had studied in France in the 1950s, where they had absorbed the doctrines of "necessary violence" preached on the radical Left. They were Sartre's children...while this group of ideologues preached the virtues of rural life, none had in fact ever engaged in manual labor or had any experience at all of creating wealth. Like Lenin, they were pure intellectuals. They epitomized the great destructive force of the twentieth century: the religious fanatic reincarnated as professional politician. What they did illustrated the ultimate heartlessness of ideas. In any other age or place, the plans of these savage pedants would have remained in their fevered imaginations. In Cambodia in 1975 it was possible to put them into practice.
--Paul Johnson

596 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:41:00pm

re: #590 Guanxi88

He was a different breed of cat, no doubt about it. I like the stuff about his kids never seeing him without a tie on, etc.

597 Ponch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:43:11pm

re: #571 swamprat

"A couple of points; "thought-crime" nonsense is frequently used by racists to defend the indefensible.
I was hoping you were one of those who could be goaded into revealing himself. The fact that you dinged down a number of pro-rush comments means that I probably was mistaken."


THOSE are the two reasons why I "down-dinged" you...however, I'll take the "down-ding" back if you can prove that you're a mind reader. ;-)


"Done. You don't think well of me.
(bows)

Enjoy your day."

~~~

HA HA, nice.

I must have "missed" something because I wasn't sure exactly how you felt concerning the "thought crime" issue.

As for your "...revealing himself" remark, I "ding" them as I see them. I don't think either way towards you...I enjoy reading all posts and respond appropriately when "called out".

Concerning the purpose of this thread, I feel it's wise and appropriate to "wait and see" concerning quotes attributed to Rush...you know, there's really no "rush to judgement"...is there??? (sorry for the pun)
This entire story is quite "fluid" and I'm sure it WILL be for some time to come.

598 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:45:41pm

re: #595 The Sanity Inspector

Okay. Try this one, then:

Angka Loeu consisted of about twenty professional political intellectuals...All had studied in France in the 1950s, where they had absorbed the doctrines of "necessary violence" preached on the radical Left. They were Sartre's children...while this group of ideologues preached the virtues of rural life, none had in fact ever engaged in manual labor or had any experience at all of creating wealth. Like Lenin, they were pure intellectuals. They epitomized the great destructive force of the twentieth century: the religious fanatic reincarnated as professional politician. What they did illustrated the ultimate heartlessness of ideas. In any other age or place, the plans of these savage pedants would have remained in their fevered imaginations. In Cambodia in 1975 it was possible to put them into practice.
--Paul Johnson

Oh how lovely. Drawing a line straight from the heart of post-modernism to Pol Pot. The fact that the rest of the tinpots of the 20th century were rabidly anti-intellectual (Stalin, Mao, Hitler et al) doesn't tell you anything. Want me to make you a bar chart?

599 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #515 bratwurst

That got bandied about yesterday. Of course, at least one Lizard was willing to dismiss it out of hand because of Carville...but I think anyone who is right of center would be silly not to at least consider what is being said there.

I missed the chatter about it -- the significants of "non-racial hatred" for President Obama (i think) is interesting.

The explanation that it is paranoia about a secret plot to destroy America is also something to at least investigate as a future subject.

600 Ponch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:48:42pm

re: #545 Ponch

Ok, now I got "down-dinged" by Charles and a couple of others concerning this post.

Can I call out "Charles" and ask what's wrong with my statement? ;-)

601 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:51:45pm

re: #594 Charles

Right -- on one side you have a writer for The Nation, on the other you have a race-baiting extremist with a long history of ugly commentary.

As I wrote, I don't know which one to believe, but I'm certainly not going to just take Rush Limbaugh's word for it.

Guilty until proven innocent? Rush can't prove he didn't say it, no one can. As long as you and others throw out quotes of dubious origin, Rush will be able to cry foul and say, "See, they are just making stuff up." Rush could probably sue Huberman for libel, though it is hard for public figures to win those kinds of cases. Using these quotes from Huberman to smear Rush only weakens your legitimate case.

602 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:52:34pm

re: #596 bratwurst

He was a different breed of cat, no doubt about it. I like the stuff about his kids never seeing him without a tie on, etc.

Politics aside, it's the quirks about these guys that make them lovable and human.

Take Obama - I hate that he smokes Kools, but I don't hate that he smokes. These days, it's an eccentricity, a little flukish thing about him that reminds that he's not just the sum total of his policies and such. I'd send him a pack of Dunhills (menthols, if he insists) just for the experience.

Winston Churchill, when he stayed as a house-guest with relatives, would rarely don more than a house-robe over his underwear, and would spend most of the day in the bath whenever he could.

Teddy Roosevelt was the first US President to keep a guinea pig in the White House.

Stuff like that makes me like these guys. Don't know why.

603 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #601 Lightspeed

Guilty until proven innocent? Rush can't prove he didn't say it, no one can. As long as you and others throw out quotes of dubious origin, Rush will be able to cry foul and say, "See, they are just making stuff up." Rush could probably sue Huberman for libel, though it is hard for public figures to win those kinds of cases. Using these quotes from Huberman to smear Rush only weakens your legitimate case.

But that's complete bullshit, because I'm NOT using the quotes from Huberman. My post above makes it extremely clear that these quotes are DISPUTED.

604 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:54:13pm

re: #602 Guanxi88

Makes them human. I love the fact Nixon installed a bowling alley in the White House because bowling is "good for the stomach muscles".

605 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:55:41pm

re: #604 bratwurst

Makes them human. I love the fact Nixon installed a bowling alley in the White House because bowling is "good for the stomach muscles".

I can hear him, my grandfather, and three of my uncles all saying something like that.

606 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:59:38pm

re: #598 enoughalready

Oh how lovely. Drawing a line straight from the heart of post-modernism to Pol Pot. The fact that the rest of the tinpots of the 20th century were rabidly anti-intellectual (Stalin, Mao, Hitler et al) doesn't tell you anything. Want me to make you a bar chart?

As I said up-thread in reply to Sharmuta, a great number of distinguished intellectuals simply denied or heartily applauded the evils wrought by Stalin, Mao, and their imitators in the last century. They didn't support Hitler because, by the early 20th century, his brand of hatred based on race and nationalism had become an atavism. But class hatred in its socialist and communist guises seemed to be the wave of the future to them.

You seem like an intelligent person. If the soundbytes I've posted seem too simplistic, then let me instead offer a book recommendation.

607 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:05:04pm

re: #603 Charles

But that's complete bullshit, because I'm NOT using the quotes from Huberman. My post above makes it extremely clear that these quotes are DISPUTED.

But you did use at least one quote from Huberman in a previous thread.

"A classic: You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]."

That is one of the main reasons that mrc.org called you out. You now make it clear that the quotes are disputed, but you make it equally clear that because it hasn't been proven false, you will give it credence. You may believe it yourself, but it has no place in arguing that Rush is a racist, nor do some of the other disputed quotes. They don't rise to the level of fact.

608 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:08:36pm

re: #606 The Sanity Inspector

As I said up-thread in reply to Sharmuta, a great number of distinguished intellectuals simply denied or heartily applauded the evils wrought by Stalin, Mao, and their imitators in the last century. They didn't support Hitler because, by the early 20th century, his brand of hatred based on race and nationalism had become an atavism. But class hatred in its socialist and communist guises seemed to be the wave of the future to them.

You seem like an intelligent person. If the soundbytes I've posted seem too simplistic, then let me instead offer a book recommendation.

And a great number (an even greater number in fact) of distinguished intellectuals didn't. Many of those who did have since publicly stated that they were wrong, misled and mistaken. There was a period in the seventies were the universities were hotbeds for marxism certainly but to turn that into something that was true for the entire 20th century or true today is simply false.

609 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:12:04pm

re: #607 Lightspeed

But you did use at least one quote from Huberman in a previous thread.

"A classic: You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]."

That is one of the main reasons that mrc.org called you out.

No, the reason why mrc.org "called me out" is because they're one of a number of right wing organizations that are deceptively shilling for Rush Limbaugh. They ignored the post I put up and instead seized on a comment I made, linking to another website.

The quotes are disputed and that's all there is to say about it. They may or may not be accurate. The fact that Limbaugh denies making them is not proof of anything, just as the fact that they're in Huberman's book isn't proof of anything. We have a "he said, he said" situation.

610 tradewind  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:14:09pm

Things you won't hear anywhere but that house organ for the RNC, Fox...
/// "Get back on the porch, Juan"
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

611 Lightspeed  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #609 Charles

We have a "he said, he said" situation.

Exactly. In such cases, people can choose to believe whomever they want. Dragging this stuff into a legitimate discussion of Rush being a racist lowers the it into the muck. It is better to stick to provable facts.

Have a great day, I am off to enjoy some time outdoors.

612 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #261 armylaw

Once again:

By focusing on the questionable quotes, Rush and his groupies hope to distract those who aren't paying attention. Defense lawyers use this trick all the time: they harp on the things the police did wrong, hoping the jury will focus on the irregularities and miss the overwhelming evidence of guilt.
613 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:32:49pm

re: #589 marjoriemoon

You're putting words in my mouth. I said I support minorities and want to see "them do well" and was very clear about how and why, to get a fair shake. Why do you have a problem with that?

I don't mean to put words into your mouth. I read that you said you treat people different if they are a minority, you'll talk to them more, etc. Call it support if you will. To me it is clear that you treat people different depending on their race, albeit for positive/supportive reasons. You have judged them as needing your help.

I have a problem with that because we should treat people 'by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.' I prefer to live that right now, here, today. Let me say this clearly so as not to write clumsy or flippant, but what you have described is fighting racism with racism. The type of 'pro-racism' you are proscribing to rectify past racism is in and of itself a problem and although much less of a problem than the horrid 'anti-race' racism of the past, it's still problematic logically and philosophically. It's not that I don't want to help 'them.'

I want us all to be supported. Support people, not 'xpeople' more than 'ypeople.'

614 Liberandos  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:42:50pm

re: #581 BigPapa

Where did I say or imply that I don't want everyone to do well?

The premise of many on this post seems to be that conservatives "like Rush" don't want to see minorities do well. I see that as a false premise, that's all.

615 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:49:49pm

re: #358 austin_blue

Continuing to defend the indefensible is a bit silly at this point, dontcha think?

106 posts in five years and now you run to Rush's defense? Whose sock are you anyway?

Sorry...not clear on the rules. How many posts before it's ok to argue?

616 jimbouie  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #449 doubter4444

Dick.

Dick's not here right now, Li'l Feller.

617 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:57:37pm

re: #614 Liberandos

Where did I say or imply that I don't want everyone to do well?

The premise of many on this post seems to be that conservatives "like Rush" don't want to see minorities do well. I see that as a false premise, that's all.

It is a false premise. You did not say you didn't want everyone to do well, you said you wanted 'them' to do well (minorities). That's the problem with the logic/rhetoric: it's open to interpretation of varying directions. I could read that you want 'them' to do a little better then 'others' for reasons I or any others can presume.

That's why I pointed it out and why I have an issue with statements of that nature. It's not to 'catcha inna gotcha' or pin you down, in fact I would be happy to be wrong and have you clarify that you want all people to do well, not having one group or people needing less or getting more help than others.

618 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:59:10pm

re: #615 jimbouie

Sorry...not clear on the rules. How many posts before it's ok to argue?

You can attempt to make arguments from post 1. But can you make good ones about Rush?

619 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #597 Ponch

“...This entire story is quite "fluid" and I'm sure it WILL be for some time to come.”

One person’s “fluid” may be another’s “bedrock”.

The issue of Limbaugh’s vague, veiled bigotry has just emerged for the hundredth time for a much wider audience to observe, beyond his nescient ditto heads; since he announced his interest in ownership of the St Looey Rams.

“Never kick a sleeping dog...!”

Rush...!

620 wii42  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:15:13pm

This thread's title compels me to post this.

621 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:01pm

Is it really that hard for people to apologize when they are wrong? I don't understand the pride in so many people that causes them to throw out red herrings in order to cover up what they did. Some quotes were fabricated. Others were not. Rush is solely focusing on the fabricated.

He was able to own up to his drug dependency, why not those stupid quotes? I am sure if he apologized people would move on...or maybe that's why he isn't going to apologize.

622 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #621 Oh no...Sand People!

Is it really that hard for people to apologize when they are wrong? I don't understand the pride in so many people that causes them to throw out red herrings in order to cover up what they did. Some quotes were fabricated. Others were not. Rush is solely focusing on the fabricated.

He was able to own up to his drug dependency, why not those stupid quotes? I am sure if he apologized people would move on...or maybe that's why he isn't going to apologize.

Correction: we don't know that quotes were fabricated. We have only Rush Limbaugh's word for that. They may or may not be fabricated. It's not proven either way.

623 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #620 wii42

“...[they]...lost sight of some of their dreams... and are trying to make a stab at life... some people have embraced a very materialistic lifestyle in place of dreams that they had. [Dreams] that sort of disintegrated at some point...just a pretender.

"Money cain make yah rich brother; but there ain't no rule that says...it'll make yer happy...!"

624 checked08  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:08:32pm

re: #493 Splatt

HotAir...The filthy lying coward in the White House


Is that a wordfilter?

625 Bagua  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:24:31pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

OMG! The end is near!
Complete chaos in the next few weeks? End of October?


Paulians are freaking out.

Notice how they plan this three days after the release of Windows 7.

626 wii42  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:26:53pm

re: #623 oldegeezr

I'm going to rent myself a house
In the shade of the freeway
Gonna pack my lunch in the morning
And go to work each day
And when the evening rolls around
I'll go on home and lay my body down
And when the morning light comes streaming in
I'll get up and do it again
Amen.
Say it again
Amen.

I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening?
I've been aware of the time going by
They say in the end it's the wink of an eye
When the morning light comes streaming in
You'll get up and do it again
Amen.

Caught between the longing for love
And the struggle for the legal tender
Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
And the junk man pounds his fender.
Where the veterans dream of the fight
Fast asleep at the traffic light
And the children solemnly wait
For the ice cream vendor
Out into the cool of the evening
Strolls the Pretender
He knows that all his hopes and dreams
Begin and end there

Ah the laughter of the lovers
As they run through the night
Leaving nothing for the others
But to choose off and fight
And tear at the world with all their might
While the ships bearing their dreams
Sail out of sight

I'm gonna find myself a girl
Who can show me what laughter means
And we'll fill in the missing colors
In each other's paint-by-number dreams
And then we'll put our dark glasses on
And we'll make love until our strength is gone
And when the morning light comes streaming in
We'll get up and do it again
Get it up again

I'm gonna be a happy idiot
And struggle for the legal tender
Where the ads take aim and lay their claim
To the heart and the soul of the spender
And believe in whatever may lie
In those things that money can buy
where true love could have been a contender
Are you there?
Say a prayer for the Pretender.
Who started out so young and strong
Only to surrender.

Say a prayer for the pretender
Are you there for the pretender?
Say a prayer for the pretender
Are you there for the pretender?
Are you prepared for the pretender?

627 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:30:42pm
628 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:40:59pm

re: #627 poteen

We all know the sites Rush quotes come from: however that does not mean what they say is unverified or untrue, only the potential of it. Even if some of those quotes are unverified does that mean he wasn't race baiting during the recent school bus kerfuffle?

Forget his quotes, listen to the EIB recording. Was it race baiting or not?

629 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:59:16pm

re: #627 poteen

So long now! It's been real.

630 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:06:52pm
“ I’m going to be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender...
Say a prayer for the pretender...!

"...being rich ain't what it's cracked up to be. It's just worry and worry, worry and sweat and sweat, sweat and a-wishing you was dead all the time.
- The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

God bless the pretender...!

631 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:09:50pm

re: #629 Charles

What a job you have Charles, at least that aspect of it.

Hats off to you.

632 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:14:29pm

re: #626 wii42

wii42...
Mon apologies, I meant to credit you for the post...!

633 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:13:05pm

re: #626 wii42

— Jackson Brown

634 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:53:27pm

re: #633 Ojoe
I play...
I'm playin...
Tap, tap,tap...
I'm tryin'...!
On my guitar...!

H&K's Ojoe...!

635 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:14:35pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

Have any good connection for rich Kona on line? I pay about 20 bucks for a pound to ship it here...It is so freaking weak.. I worked for the DOD and spent 3 years at Pearl...I just love Hawaii...
But don't try to sell me shit weak Kona coffee on line...
Help me Big Papa


My favorite source of Kona coffee is Love family farms at The Big Island Hawaii. The purveyor is an ex-AP photographer - and an amazing chef - who promotes Kona coffee and Hawaiian foods in an attempt to help preserve the native Hawaiian culture and farms which are being bought out by the large land developers.

Lots of other good farms on the Big Island. Here's a link to photographs and info about The Kona Pacific Farmers Cooperative
Happy drinking!

636 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #592 Lightspeed

Hey, we're just "teaching the controversy" here...

/

637 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:19:53pm
638 Bagua  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:22:08pm

re: #637 Dogness

до свидания

639 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:26:06pm

re: #637 Dogness

So, what are your thoughts on the verified claims that Charles posted? Or are we just gonna ignore those?

640 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:28:37pm

re: #639 Varek Raith

So, what are your thoughts on the verified claims that Charles posted? Or are we just gonna ignore those?

claims should be quotes.
PIMF

641 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:34:08pm

re: #637 Dogness

Legally, and generally speaking, I would agree. However, since Limbaugh's verified history of saying bad shit about race and all kinds of other things is so extensive, I can't go farther than saying those claims are not verified.

In fact, it seems likely to me that he did say them.

If you prefer to maintain a legal standard or proof, even in your opinions, that's laudable. Rush's verifiable record is still hair-raisingly bad.

642 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 5:56:09am

CNN retracts Limbaugh quote

Considering the quote in question came out of a book that used it "without sourcing"..

Huffington Post Pulls Bogus Limbaugh Quotes

643 tsflanagan  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 11:22:51am

Charles really has it in for Rush. I don't listen to Rush but I'm pretty sure he is not a racist, given that he has been employing a black man as his producer to a long long time.

644 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 11:25:24am

re: #643 tsflanagan

I stand in awe of your beautifully articulate and not stupid at all argument.

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