Rush Limbaugh: I’m a Victim

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Here’s Rush Limbaugh in the Wall Street Journal, attempting to divert attention away from his numerous documented racist and race-baiting remarks: Rush Limbaugh: The Race Card, Football and Me.

For some reason, he thinks a good way to defend himself is to attack Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Jackson and Sharpton are demagogues, to be sure, who have both made their own controversial statements, but it’s no excuse at all to say, “They did it too.”

Limbaugh denies making two of the comments attributed to him, but blithely leaps past the many comments he has indisputably made. It’s a classic defense lawyers’ technique — get people to focus on one or two problematic points, and hope they don’t notice the mountain of evidence that is documented and proven.

Limbaugh concludes his op-ed by painting himself as a victim, if you can believe it.

There is a contempt in the news business, including the sportswriter community, for conservatives that reflects the blind hatred espoused by Messrs. Sharpton and Jackson. “Racism” is too often their sledgehammer. And it is being used to try to keep citizens who don’t share the left’s agenda from participating in the full array of opportunities this nation otherwise affords each of us.

The team of investors dropped Rush Limbaugh for one reason and one reason only: his history of race-baiting comments had turned him from a rich asset to a rich liability. It was a business decision, nothing more, and for Limbaugh to play the victimhood card is pathetic. He made this bed for himself with years of ugly comments (anyone remember his vile smears of Michael J. Fox?) and now he has to lie in it — fleas and all.

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407 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:13:15pm

He’s a wrang-wrang, all right.

2 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:15:40pm

Cue Right Wing Teeny Tiny Violin…

3 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:16:50pm

Do the Republicans realize how marginalized they’re letting themselves become as a party when the question about one of their most important leaders is how big of a race baiting bigot he is?

4 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:18:23pm

Hey Rush, maybe you lost because you are an asshole?

And maybe the NFL and investors can decide what they want to do in a free market and they thought you were a liability?

Or perhaps Rush wants affirmative action for uneducated deaf drug addict DJ’s who desperately crave respect?

5 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:18:54pm

hmmm, we’re getting readings on the Flounce-a-tron 6000. Looks like a busy day coming up.

6 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:19:55pm

And it is being used to try to keep citizens who don’t share the left’s agenda from participating in the full array of opportunities this nation otherwise affords each of us.

“They are trying to silence me when I am just telling the truth, just like all you common sense people out there do when you are absolutely sure nobody can hear you!”

Why could we see that defense coming from seven bajillion miles away?

7 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #1 Cato the Elder

He’s a wrang-wrang, all right.

You made me look that up on the last thread. Thanks! I think I’ll have to read that book again.

8 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:22:22pm

I find it hard to believe people would argue that Rush isn’t an asshole. That’s why he has great ratings. He is certainly a race-baiter and probably a racist. So, drop him as conservative leadership and then I’m curious and hopeful there are some conservative leaders we can get behind. Any ideas?

9 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:23:05pm

Keep being a total blowhard, Rush, and pave the way for all those real conservatives that hang on every word of your tedious, racist, sexist, inflammatory, lying, bullshit.

10 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:25:47pm

And now a musical rebuttal to Rush

Youtube Video
11 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:25:56pm

re: #4 Egregious Philbin

Hey Rush, maybe you lost because you are an asshole?

And maybe the NFL and investors can decide what they want to do in a free market and they thought you were a liability?

Or perhaps Rush wants affirmative action for uneducated deaf drug addict DJ’s who desperately crave respect?

Oh! A hit! A palpable hit!
Brutal but accurate.

12 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:26:08pm

Karma is a bitch.

13 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:26:21pm

re: #4 Egregious Philbin

I take offense at the deaf remark. People can’t help being deaf - it’s not a choice. Just like they can’t help having Parkinson’s disease.

The rest, and his corpulence, is fair game as far as I’m concerned.

14 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:26:46pm

excellent post Charles!
Poor Rush..Boo fricking Hoo!

15 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:27:38pm

re: #3 dugmartsch

Better go Whig!
Modern Whig Party

Whig Video

Another Whig video.

16 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #13 theheat

I take offense at the deaf remark. People can’t help being deaf - it’s not a choice. Just like they can’t help having Parkinson’s disease.

The rest, and his corpulence, is fair game as far as I’m concerned.

His deafness was a result of his drug abuse. He *could* help it. It was self-inflicted.

17 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #3 dugmartsch

… one of their most important leaders…

He’s not my leader and he doesn’t lead the GOP.

But you are making a good point as to why Micheal Steele should be calling him out or distancing himself from Rush.

18 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:29:23pm

re: #16 austin_blue

You have to be pulling my leg. Just where does it say he’s deaf because of drug abuse?

19 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #13 theheat

I take offense at the deaf remark. People can’t help being deaf - it’s not a choice. Just like they can’t help having Parkinson’s disease.

The rest, and his corpulence, is fair game as far as I’m concerned.


Hey, if he is gonna play the victim route, he may as well throw all the eggs in the basket. Besides, how is his life ruined? He has billions of dollars, flies in private jets and has 3 hours a day to say what he wants. Oh, he is SOOO opressed.

Rush ceased being a real person decades ago, he is a classic limousene conservative

20 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:29:52pm

Here’s what it SHOULD have read…

Image: 34oapud.jpg

21 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:09pm

re: #15 Ojoe

Do you get paid for posting Whig links every other thread?

22 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

excellent post Charles!
Poor Rush..Boo fricking Hoo!

BTW Hoops, nobody advised you about Singapore… be very careful about vandalizing cars in Singapore. They frown on that there. You need to find some other outlet for your hooliganism.

23 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:30:33pm

Drug abuse is also an illness.

24 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:31:08pm

re: #15 Ojoe

Better go Whig!
Modern Whig Party

Whig Video

Another Whig video.

Does anybody get the idea if the Whig party wins the White House that Ojoe will be sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom for the whole month of January?
/

25 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:31:49pm

re: #23 anno

Drug abuse is also an illness.

Baloney.

It’s a choice.

26 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #23 anno

Agreed. I have nothing against him for being an addict. The fact that he has been so unkind to other addicts is another story!

27 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:31:57pm

re: #24 HoosierHoops

Much better put than my similar comment.

28 Dreader1962  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:32:16pm

There are certain expectations that exist when one is attempting to enter very public roles. These roles gain the attention of the press and cause a review and consideration which drives the decision-making process. With Limbaugh’s radio career, Clear Channel determined that their main advertising target audience would be tolerant of ‘controversial’ talk radio and Limbaugh (along with others) fit their marketing approach.

Limbaugh found that sports broadcasting was quite different and thought that there was a venue to combine his ‘political commentary’ (if you can call it that) with his sports commentary. It didn’t work. We can take one of two things from this, and neither reflect well on Limbaugh - that he was unaware that these types of comments would not be acceptable or that he knew it would cause him to be released from contract and drum up his ratings on his talk show.

Now we have this attempt to get into ownership of a team. Again, he faces the controversy he’s always faced and is milking it for everything it’s worth. This makes me believe that the sports broadcasting thing was just a game to him and he wanted to go back to his usual format.

I really don’t think he wants to do more than he already does with his talk show. He is supposed to be producing a daily show, but since he is so successful he can take whatever days he wishes and plug in a guest host with negligible loss of audience. Why wouldn’t he stick with that?

Limbaugh has always played ‘cute’ with the race issue. The statements that are being cited don’t encompass the bulk of the racism - much of what he does relies on the entire context of a particular ‘bit’ that he does and not a sentence or two. He most certainly creates an environment where a racist would feel comfortable listening and calling in on occasion. I wonder if they’ve had to set up a screening process to filter out the callers who don’t understand the ‘wink and nod’ method of talking about race.

29 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:32:41pm

re: #26 bratwurst

Agreed. I have nothing against him for being an addict. The fact that he has been so unkind to other addicts is another story!

For sure.

30 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #25 esch

Baloney.

It’s a choice.

It’s both.

I would say it starts as a choice and ends as an illness.

Like voting Republican.

31 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:32:46pm

re: #18 theheat

You have to be pulling my leg. Just where does it say he’s deaf because of drug abuse?

The Oxycontins he popped like candy for his back pain is what contributed to his deafness…he’s tapdanced around the root cause, but has discussed his deafness on the show before.

32 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:32:57pm

re: #16 austin_blue

His deafness was a result of his drug abuse. He *could* help it. It was self-inflicted.

Do you have a link for that?

33 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:33:14pm

Salon article: Did popping pills make Rush Limbaugh lose his hearing?

34 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:33:21pm

re: #18 theheat

You have to be pulling my leg. Just where does it say he’s deaf because of drug abuse?


Did popping painkillers make Rush lose his hearing?

35 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #34 sagehen

Good catch. Beat you 7 seconds ;-)

36 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:33:53pm

re: #18 theheat

You have to be pulling my leg. Just where does it say he’s deaf because of drug abuse?

Nope. From Salon, 10/7/03:

The New York Daily News reported last week that Limbaugh is under investigation for buying “thousands of addictive pain killers from a black-market drug ring.” Relying heavily on a story that first appeared in the National Enquirer, the Daily News reported that Limbaugh’s former housekeeper claims to have supplied him with massive quantities of OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone between 1998 and 2002.

Lorcet — which, like Vicodin, is a mixture of hydrocodone and acetaminophen — has been linked to sudden and profound hearing loss in patients who misuse or abuse the drug. First in 1999 and then more forcefully in the summer of 2001, physicians at the House Ear Clinic in Los Angeles warned doctors and consumers of a “possible correlation between permanent hearing loss” and hydrocodone-acetaminophen combinations such as Lorcet and Vicodin. The Los Angeles Times reported in September 2001 that doctors at House and other Southern California medical facilities had identified 48 patients who suffered hearing loss after taking exceptionally high doses of the drugs.

37 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:34:15pm

Still, no widespread exposure for the vile rants he uttered in the past from the mainstream media… It’s mainly the blogs who blow the whistle.

38 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:35:18pm

re: #25 esch

Baloney.

It’s a choice.

actually there is a difference between drug abuse and addiction. Once addicted it is no longer a choice. But you’re right, it’s definitely argued about a lot.

39 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:35:25pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Like voting Republican.

Bad Cato! No soup for you!

40 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:35:59pm

re: #20 Splatt

Here’s what it SHOULD have read…

[Link: i36.tinypic.com…]

That’s a pretty slick-looking page. Did you make that?

41 eprn1n2  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:36:01pm

I have listened to Rush since he started. I am not racist and I can attest to the fact that he is not either. Calling him a “Race Baiter” is absolutely ignorant. I can guarantee that those who do do not do not listen to him. It is very easy to label a person a racist. A classic straw man argument. It reveals nothing but your own ignorance and bigoted intolerance.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:36:03pm

re: #6 enoughalready

“They are trying to silence me when I am just telling the truth, just like all you common sense people out there do when you are absolutely sure nobody can hear you!”

Why could we see that defense coming from seven bajillion miles away?

Yes. I sometimes lock myself into my bathroom, stuff a towel under the door, and rant about black people and immigrants and folks with diseases until I feel better.

//Wait. I don’t. I never do that.

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:36:46pm

re: #33 theheat

Maybe but radio guys of have damaged hearing from wearing headphones all day. Mistakes by the board operators often lead to commercials, sound effects, taped segments, etc coming in really loud on monitor headphones even when they sound fine on the air.

44 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #35 theheat

Good catch. Beat you 7 seconds ;-)

GMTA

45 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:24pm

re: #39 BigPapa

Bad Cato! No soup for you!

Hey, I tried it once, and it wasn’t for me. But look at what happens to those who can’t walk away. Anorexia, deafness, fits of public weeping, and loss of significant business opportunities are only a few of the possible ill effects.

46 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:26pm

re: #38 anno

actually there is a difference between drug abuse and addiction. Once addicted it is no longer a choice. But you’re right, it’s definitely argued about a lot.

No, not really.

You always have a choice. Abdication of it is what allows the ‘addiction’ to flourish.

47 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:30pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. I sometimes lock myself into my bathroom, stuff a towel under the door, and rant about black people and immigrants and folks with diseases until I feel better.

//Wait. I don’t. I never do that.

Yeah, you use the closet under the stairs for that, right?

/

48 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:33pm

Certain drugs are ototoxic, especially when used in larger than therapeutic doses. I wouldn’t know if that is what happened to Rush Limbaugh though but considering the drugs he took and the amounts he consumed I wouldn’t be all that surprised. But I don’t know and I am not really all that interested.

49 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #37 William of Orange

Is that a Heerenveen banner you have there?

50 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:37:46pm

re: #41 eprn1n2
“Holocaust? Ninety million Indians, only 4 million left? They all have casinos…what’s to complain about?”
— Rush Limbaugh

51 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:38:02pm

re: #36 austin_blue

Okie dokie, then. So, he may be deaf due to drug abuse, he’s rude, he’s an ex drug addict that “was against drugs before he was for them”, divorced more times than most people though he’s a social conservative, he’s obese, and arrogant. Does that about sum it up? I’m seeing very little worth defending, particularly in light of how he perceives and treats others.

52 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:38:23pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge his race baiting says a lot about you and the rest of his audience. It’s obvious that you guys don’t care. He’s been doing this for a very long time.

53 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:38:27pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

Ummm. Talk about a straw man argument.
Recursive: see recursive.

54 Linden Arden  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:38:29pm

Maybe the ACLU will jump in and defend Mr. Limbaugh again.

Your text to link…

55 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:38:35pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

I have listened to Rush since he started. I am not racist and I can attest to the fact that he is not either. Calling him a “Race Baiter” is absolutely ignorant. I can guarantee that those who do do not do not listen to him. It is very easy to label a person a racist. A classic straw man argument. It reveals nothing but your own ignorance and bigoted intolerance.

Pammy, is that you?

56 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:39:42pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

I have listened to Rush since he started. I am not racist and I can attest to the fact that he is not either. Calling him a “Race Baiter” is absolutely ignorant.

I’ve listened to Rush over the years. Listened to the entire segments ‘just to make sure he wasn’t taken out of context.’ I get Rush and his style and schtick.

He does race bait and he’s been caught. To assert otherwise is ignorant and untenable.

57 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:39:46pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

Excuse me while I laugh hysterically in your face…not only have I listened to Rush, I’ve heard him utter some of the quotes in question, and you’re full of it.

58 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:39:57pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Yeah, it’s a great code I found for changing the content of any web page. It’s really easy, you just put it in the address bar, and - voila - you can type in whatever you want, then take a screen shot of it. Trouble is, you can’t actually save as, I don’t think. I heard you can with Firefox, but I’m not sure. If anyone can figure out a way to save what you do, let me know.

Here’s the code…

javascript:document.body.contentEditable=’true’; document.designMode=’on’; void 0

59 freetoken  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #28 Dreader1962


Limbaugh has always played ‘cute’ with the race issue. The statements that are being cited don’t encompass the bulk of the racism - much of what he does relies on the entire context of a particular ‘bit’ that he does and not a sentence or two.

Agreed, and I think this is important and is being missed (intentionally) by those who are protesting so much that a couple of the statements originally attributed to Limbaugh are unverified.

Limbaugh has built a huge empire based upon feeding the grievances of various groups. His entire show is targeting an audience that feels aggrieved by what American society has done post 1964.

60 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:40:08pm

re: #46 esch

No, not really.

You always have a choice. Abdication of it is what allows the ‘addiction’ to flourish.

It is certainly not uncommon for this to be misunderstood. But that is incorrect.

61 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:40:28pm

Oh, Flounce-a-tron just got a spike

62 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:40:55pm

re: #46 esch

No, not really.

You always have a choice. Abdication of it is what allows the ‘addiction’ to flourish.

Your putting “addiction” in quotes shows that you know nothing whatever about the subject.

63 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Smells sort of like sulfur.

64 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:41:09pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

I have listened to Rush since he started. I am not racist and I can attest to the fact that he is not either. Calling him a “Race Baiter” is absolutely ignorant. I can guarantee that those who do do not do not listen to him. It is very easy to label a person a racist. A classic straw man argument. It reveals nothing but your own ignorance and bigoted intolerance.

Whereas, your previous comments reveal your own appalling ignorance:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

65 freetoken  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

I listened to Limbaugh for 10 years… having a not unusual for SoCal long commute into work. His product is built around the merchandising of grievance.

66 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #64 Charles

Whereas, your previous comments reveal your own appalling ignorance:

And I officially fell out of bed laughing.

67 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:42:11pm

re: #51 theheat

Okie dokie, then. So, he may be deaf due to drug abuse, he’s rude, he’s an ex drug addict that “was against drugs before he was for them”, divorced more times than most people though he’s a social conservative, he’s obese, and arrogant. Does that about sum it up? I’m seeing very little worth defending, particularly in light of how he perceives and treats others.

Yes.

68 harry91  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:42:12pm

re: #41 eprn1n2

wow, I guess the numerous quotes Charles has posting went whoosh?

69 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:43:33pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

No, I do that for free.

70 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #24 HoosierHoops

I wish !

LOL

71 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #68 harry91

wow, I guess the numerous quotes Charles has posting went whoosh?

It doesn’t fit in with eprn1n2’s worldview of Saint Limbaugh (who can do no wrong), so the quotes in question (the ones that are verified attributable to Rush) don’t exist for them.

72 webevintage  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:45:43pm

re: #23 anno

Drug abuse is also an illness.


Yes it is.
To bad Rush forgot the golden rule when it came to the way he talked about other druggies.

73 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:45:56pm

re: #65 freetoken

I listened to Limbaugh for 10 years… having a not unusual for SoCal long commute into work. His product is built around the merchandising of grievance.

Yes. White-boy, it-used-to-be-my-world-until-the-feminazis-came-along, wouldn’t-it-be-nice-to-take-it-back-again-from-them-and-you-know-who grievance.

74 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:46:12pm

re: #60 anno

It is certainly not uncommon for this to be misunderstood. But that is incorrect.

Both of my parents are dying from the consequences of drug abuse. And they’ve outlasted almost all of their friends who died in similar ways. I grew up around it and have lived with the consequences of it.

Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

75 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:46:48pm

Rush is trying to prove the old maxim that “any publicity is good publicity”, I’m sure he will milk this for all it is worth and keep the outrage going for days. The fact that his partners decided to drop him because of his own deserved reputation is now being spun into a conspiracy of the politically correct liberal media forces. Did he really think that he could buy into a national sports team and no one was going to complain? Even after he was previously fired from his position as a sportscaster for offensive and thoughtless comments?

All that being said, how did the purchasing partnership not realize that this was going to happen, what the hell were they thinking of?

76 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:46:58pm

re: #62 Cato the Elder

Your putting “addiction” in quotes shows that you know nothing whatever about the subject.

Couldn’t be more wrong there.

77 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:07pm

I got 5 simolians saying eprn1n2 wont post again this thread.

78 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:25pm

re: #74 esch

Both of my parents are dying from the consequences of drug abuse. And they’ve outlasted almost all of their friends who died in similar ways. I grew up around it and have lived with the consequences of it.

Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

Sorry about your parents, but if you don’t recognize the reality of addiction as a disease, you learned the wrong lesson.

79 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:44pm

re: #75 ausador

I’m sure he will milk this for all it is worth and keep the outrage going for days.

How many calories does perpetual outrage burn? Just wondering.

80 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:50pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If I get 4.5:1 I’ll take that bet.

81 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:47:51pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What is the exchange rate to Quatloos?

82 ryannon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:48:13pm

He’s not a victim, he’s a monkey.

And he loves it.

Youtube Video
83 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:48:15pm

I guess this means Rush no longer advocates personal responsibility?

84 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:48:58pm

re: #76 esch

Couldn’t be more wrong there.

See my #78. You have no idea what you’re talking about, your personal tragedy notwithstanding.

85 theheat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:49:02pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

He carries other people’s Vaigra for them. I don’t think so.

86 Splatt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:49:11pm

He was doing that shtick about “Obama’s America” and how white kids get beat up on school busses, and he slipped in there that - while the white kids were getting beat up - black kid’s would cheer, “Yeah! Right on! Right on!”

It was all in the voice he used to imitate a black kid saying, “Right on!” Like, it was his whole JJ Walker “DYNO-MITE!” act that just made my flesh crawl.

As if any black people still say “Right on.” You could tell that he’s a racist from way back in the day (judging from his out-dated ebonics, I would say the early 70’s.) I’ve listened to him on and off you YEARS, and the only thing I can think to say to anyone who tries to deny the guy’s a racist is… c’mon. Are you serious?

87 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:50:25pm

And it will be everyone else’s fault if Limbaugh starts popping the hillbilly heroin again.

88 rurality  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

89 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:50:56pm

re: #74 esch

Both of my parents are dying from the consequences of drug abuse. And they’ve outlasted almost all of their friends who died in similar ways. I grew up around it and have lived with the consequences of it.

Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

I am deeply sorry…
May God grant you peace and grace…

90 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:51:04pm

Rush Limbaugh loves black people the way Ann Coulter loves Jews.

91 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:52:44pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

I guess this means Rush no longer advocates personal responsibility?

Personal responsibilty for thee, not for me!

/the “new” Rush

92 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

Well, thanks HH.

93 anno  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #74 esch

I’m very sorry about your parents and friends. I’d point out, though, that no fewer than 75% of medical professionals disagree vehemently with your take. For whatever that’s worth. Anyhow, if we are at an impasse it’s fine because I am in no way defending Limbaugh. I wish you well.

94 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:54:41pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

I am deeply sorry…
May God grant you peace and grace…

I’ll second that.

Ironic, that “Ditto” is appropriate, isn’t it?

95 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:55:01pm

re: #91 talon_262

Personal responsibilty for thee, not for me!

/the “new” Rush

He should form a partnership with Charlie Rangel. That might repair some of the damage with the black community and maybe open up some new business opportunities, too.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:55:05pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

I never have. Thought about it in McCain’s case.

97 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:57:04pm

I’m an independent, but when I was a Republican, I voted for both Dems and Republicans. In local races, where one knows people, it is easier to judge character, intent, and agenda.

98 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:57:50pm

I am not a Limbaugh listener—his style annoys me—but I find myself agreeing with his views of Jackson and Sharpton.

99 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:58:12pm

I’ve always hated Rush Limburger. A loudmouth ideologue and jerk.

My personal beef with him is that he’s debased a term from the 70s Men’s Rights Movement — Feminazi.

I used that term as far back as 1977. Germaine Greer, Andrea Dworkin, Ti-Grace Atkinson were just man-hating fascists. (Just check a list of quotes from Dworkin!)

The term was natural, and alliterative, so we used it. RL did NOT invent it.

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:59:25pm

So whatever financial advanage he lost from being dropped from consideration for owning an NFL team he is making good with the publicity gained over the controversy surrounding his being dropped.

Gotta hand it to him, he is quite a businessman.

101 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #98 katemaclaren

I am not a Limbaugh listener—his style annoys me—but I find myself agreeing with his views of Jackson and Sharpton.

Jackson and Sharpton have enough history on their own for people to form their own opinion.

102 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #93 anno

I wish you the same A.

I’ll concede that you’re correct in the sense that the current medical understanding does characterize it as a disease. But I’ve seen the effects of that treatment methodology. It doesn’t work very well.

103 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:00:14pm

re: #48 enoughalready

Certain drugs are ototoxic, especially when used in larger than therapeutic doses. I wouldn’t know if that is what happened to Rush Limbaugh though but considering the drugs he took and the amounts he consumed I wouldn’t be all that surprised. But I don’t know and I am not really all that interested.

While it is certainly possible that Rush caused his hearing loss by excessive drug abuse one plausible yet speculative Salon article does not a fact make. Taking into consideration the significant amount of factual and clear statements he’s made that can be strongly condemned and criticized the pedantic snipes at him on top of that speak nothing of him.

What I’m really getting at has nothing to do with Rush at all. It’s the fact that we have a person here (Rush) who is worthy of sustained and significant criticism for true and factual statements he’s made but it seems to be open season on additional piling on of pedantic and scurrilous slurs that may or may not be true. But hey, it’s OK because they’re in the dog house now, so we can just pile on and act like other people or groups that the we rightfully criticize for the same behavior.

Obama should receive criticism for things he’s said and done but it does not make it right to fantasize about his Kenyan roots, commie ties, or have rally signs with pictures comparing Obama to Hitler. That is bad and many Lizards criticize that behavior, as they should.

Piling on top of Rush with pedantic snipes about his weight, drug abuse, or being a blowhard, on top of petty name calling, is of similar behavior. This is not about a defense of Rush in the least: it’s a request that I’m making of some other Lizards, many new, to put yourself in check and not get caught up on the character assault that is nothing more than gossipy blood sport.

I’m all for having a little fun at others expense and Rush provides much fodder for lighthearted ridicule. However the vapid echo chamber syndrome sometimes gets going a little too much. This place is much better than that.

Hit Rush hard on the facts and on solid rhetorical ground or have a little lighthearted fun at his expense (as long as you’re cute or funny), but don’t let it go too far.

/rant, not directed at you Enough.

104 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:00:41pm

I have disliked Jackson since his boot-licking visit to Assad I in Damascus. It was revolting.

105 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:01:02pm

re: #97 katemaclaren

I’m an independent, but when I was a Republican, I voted for both Dems and Republicans. In local races, where one knows people, it is easier to judge character, intent, and agenda.

Exactly. I’ve voted for several Republican judges here in the People’s Republic of Travis County over the past two decades, and an R State Senator in a primary where a whack-a-loon R was running against him. On the State level? I may vote for Kay in the R primary just to get rid of that little Aggie Cheerleader who presently serves as our Governor.

106 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:01:04pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

Where I lived, folk voted D for any and every office below the level of President, and were pretty fairly split on that one. D’s had the local reputation and credibility, R’s were considered corrupt as all get-out locally, but staunch anti-communists at the national level.

107 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #74 esch

Both of my parents are dying from the consequences of drug abuse. And they’ve outlasted almost all of their friends who died in similar ways. I grew up around it and have lived with the consequences of it.

Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

I agree with you completely. My daughter died like that. My mother, a doctor, once gave me amphetamines after my baby was born—to pep me up. I only needed one—it kept me up cleaning house for three days—my brain was whirling. Never took it again—but she did, does, and now is dying of the consequences—damaged heart, kidneys, liver—and most likely—brain.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #104 mardukhai

I have disliked Jackson since his boot-licking visit to Assad I in Damascus. It was revolting.

Was that him on a bad Assad trip?

109 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:02:24pm

re: #84 Cato the Elder

Addiction is a fascinating subject. Animals, people, anything, can be addicted to a toxin. Even creatures in the sea can react badly to rapid changes in salinity, that would not be noticed if brought about slowly.
This raises the question of constitutes a poison? And what substances are we subjected to naturally that we have come to believe are necessary only because, when withdrawn, they produce a reaction?
But the bigger question is why do organisms need to be subjected to the same toxins they have grown “used” to?
There seems to be a sort of chemical “inertia” biologically.

110 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:02:29pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jackson and Sharpton have enough history on their own for people to form their own opinion.

Younger people do not have long memories. I do.

111 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:02:53pm

re: #90 Cato the Elder

Rush Limbaugh loves black people the way Ann Coulter loves Jews.

Ann loves the Jews…
She would love them a whole lot more if they would just accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour… It must be a bitch being Jewish. No matter what you do nobody is happy…I’m pretty sure thousands of years Ago King David stood in a Cave somewhere yelling ‘Are you kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?’
/They left that part out of the Bible

112 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:03:03pm

re: #99 mardukhai

I’ve always hated Rush Limburger. A loudmouth ideologue and jerk.

My personal beef with him is that he’s debased a term from the 70s Men’s Rights Movement — Feminazi.

I used that term as far back as 1977. Germaine Greer, Andrea Dworkin, Ti-Grace Atkinson were just man-hating fascists. (Just check a list of quotes from Dworkin!)

The term was natural, and alliterative, so we used it. RL did NOT invent it.

Yeah… ummm. Personally I think that term is laughably stupid and ignorant. But feel free to claim it.

113 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #103 BigPapa

While it is certainly possible that Rush caused his hearing loss by excessive drug abuse one plausible yet speculative Salon article does not a fact make. Taking into consideration the significant amount of factual and clear statements he’s made that can be strongly condemned and criticized the pedantic snipes at him on top of that speak nothing of him.

What I’m really getting at has nothing to do with Rush at all. It’s the fact that we have a person here (Rush) who is worthy of sustained and significant criticism for true and factual statements he’s made but it seems to be open season on additional piling on of pedantic and scurrilous slurs that may or may not be true. But hey, it’s OK because they’re in the dog house now, so we can just pile on and act like other people or groups that the we rightfully criticize for the same behavior.

Obama should receive criticism for things he’s said and done but it does not make it right to fantasize about his Kenyan roots, commie ties, or have rally signs with pictures comparing Obama to Hitler. That is bad and many Lizards criticize that behavior, as they should.

Piling on top of Rush with pedantic snipes about his weight, drug abuse, or being a blowhard, on top of petty name calling, is of similar behavior. This is not about a defense of Rush in the least: it’s a request that I’m making of some other Lizards, many new, to put yourself in check and not get caught up on the character assault that is nothing more than gossipy blood sport.

I’m all for having a little fun at others expense and Rush provides much fodder for lighthearted ridicule. However the vapid echo chamber syndrome sometimes gets going a little too much. This place is much better than that.

Hit Rush hard on the facts and on solid rhetorical ground or have a little lighthearted fun at his expense (as long as you’re cute or funny), but don’t let it go too far.

/rant, not directed at you Enough.

Upding. Good post.

114 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #108 ralphieboy

Have you listened to Jackson lately? You can barely understand a word he says. It’s like he’s drunk, addle-brained, slurring his words…something odd.

115 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #109 swamprat


This raises the question of constitutes a poison?

Dose, and familiarity. E.g., nicotine.

116 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:04:10pm

I’ve voted Republican locally at times. Pretty sure I voted for Pataki at least once. For whatever that’s worth.

117 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:04:39pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

Broad brush much?

My parents, both in their 80’s have crossed lines many times. I know most of their freinds have also
I’m in mjy mid 50’s and have done the same, as have all my contemporaries
Back in the mid 80’s, as a registered republican, I was heavily involved in Democrat George Kevarians bids for state house seats

118 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:05:35pm

re: #103 BigPapa

What kind of meat balls are you cooking in your avatar?

Mmmm they look good.

119 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:05:38pm

re: #98 katemaclaren

I am not a Limbaugh listener—his style annoys me—but I find myself agreeing with his views of Jackson and Sharpton.

He’s right many times especially about Jackson and Sharpton. But it’s as if he’s turning into them, just of a different flavor or model.

120 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #74 esch


Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

I think it depends a great deal on the substance in question. Some really do strip you of your agency, your ability to make rational decisions.

121 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:05pm

re: #105 austin_blue

I’m smiling. Aggie supporter—that’s funny!
I think Kinky would be a good governor.

122 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:07pm

re: #114 katemaclaren

Have you listened to Jackson lately? You can barely understand a word he says. It’s like he’s drunk, addle-brained, slurring his words…something odd.

Well, he is kinda old now. (Born in 1941, after all.) Some folk don’t age well.

123 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

ME ME MEMEMEME!!!

I’ve been registered Republican since the week after my 18th b-day, but the last R presidential candidate I voted for was Bush the Elder. I was heartbroken when Colin Powell decided not to run, I would have voted for McCain in 2000 (did support him in primaries). The last Republican presidential candidate I got over-the-top excited about was John Anderson (they threw me out of the College Republicans for that…)

My all-time favorite presidents: Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt, Lincoln.
Favorite elected Republican in my lifetime: Howard Baker, Pete McClosky, Michael Bloomberg (we’ll only count him as 1/2 a Republican since it was temporary), Jodie Rell.

124 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:29pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

Many Republicans would have voted for Scoop Jackson, until his tragic and sudden loss. I was proud to have been among his many friends and supporters.

And he would have tackled health care, and caught bin Ladin.

125 KingKenrod  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:35pm

re: #114 katemaclaren

Have you listened to Jackson lately? You can barely understand a word he says. It’s like he’s drunk, addle-brained, slurring his words…something odd.

Talking about Jesse Jackson? He had a stroke.

126 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #107 katemaclaren

My sympathies Kate.

My parents were hippies. Enough said right? I’ve seen pretty much everything. And now that my dad has serious health problems as a result, do they actually treat the drug abuse at the root of the problem? No. They give him diabetes medications and a basically open-ended script for Oxycontin for his back. It’s destroying what’s left of his liver. His pancreas is already toast.

And my mom’s taking chemo for very advanced Hep, and it’s not going well. I don’t think she’s going to make it.

127 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:07:58pm

re: #103 BigPapa

Good post.

128 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:08:13pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

There was a lot of talk about Republicans that voted for President Obama in the last election — although it didn’t seem close to the size that were named “Reagan Democrats” that moved to him in the 80s.

In any case, I don’t see it as a conservative value to move from stalwart conservative positions. That is a liberal ideal (by definition of liberal and conservative).

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:08:32pm

I always admired Jackson for admonishing the Democrats to defend the “moral high ground”, but when it came out he was paying his ex-mistress $10,000 a month to keep quiet about his bastard child, his position on the Moral high Ground was seriously compromised…

130 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:08:54pm

re: #122 Guanxi88

Hey, that’s a little close to the bone!!! My birthday is…
…and I don’t sound like I’ve just left the dentist’s office! —I hope!

131 keithgabryelski  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #98 katemaclaren

I am not a Limbaugh listener—his style annoys me—but I find myself agreeing with his views of Jackson and Sharpton.

which positions? that they are race-baiting turds?

ummm… who is disagreeing with that?

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #119 BigPapa

He’s right many times especially about Jackson and Sharpton. But it’s as if he’s turning into them, just of a different flavor or model.

He is them. Always has been. Loudmouthed, full of self-righteousness.

133 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:09:48pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Upding. Good post.

Thank you for the acknowledgment. I want this place to continue on its current path and CJ can’t do it all, he usually has bigger trash to take out.

134 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #129 ralphieboy

I always admired Jackson for admonishing the Democrats to defend the “moral high ground”, but when it came out he was paying his ex-mistress $10,000 a month to keep quiet about his bastard child, his position on the Moral high Ground was seriously compromised…

Wonder how THAT’s going (the child, the mistress, the outgoing money…)

135 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:10:22pm

re: #115 Guanxi88

Fascination itself;
Oxidized(can you say smoking?) nicotinic acid produces niacin.
Too much niacin produces a rash, but only where the person has experinced sunburn previously.
There are higher rates of cancer in countries where tobacco has higher amounts of sugar. But the sugar content might be a red herring, as the tar is probably co-related.

136 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #112 enoughalready

Ever meet a Feminazi? Ever try to debate one — they don’t let you speak.

Ever try to discuss the issues with a journalist infected with their lies? Ever work for laws that would allow fathers to visit their kids, criminalize false abuse charges, require the arrest of female abusers, or seek equal treatment of boys in schools?

Ever read Ms. Magazine in the 70s?

I have. Feminazi fits.

137 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:11:00pm

re: #131 keithgabryelski

No one would, I believe.

138 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:11:20pm

re: #136 mardukhai

Right on.

139 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:11:57pm

re: #102 esch

I wish you the same A.

I’ll concede that you’re correct in the sense that the current medical understanding does characterize it as a disease. But I’ve seen the effects of that treatment methodology. It doesn’t work very well.

If you’re talking about 12-step programs I agree they are largely ineffective. Addiction is a medical problem in as so far as it can be dangerous to your health to quit some substances without medical supervision. If you’re an addict, you should go to rehab to try and get clean and not quit on your own.

I’m less clear on the whole “disease model of addiction” and “addictive personality aspects.

Been there done that, FWIW.

140 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #136 mardukhai

Plenty of them in my family.

141 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #118 Ojoe

What kind of meat balls are you cooking in your avatar?

Mmmm they look good.

Those are Manila clams on top of a paella after I put them on. Couple of little shrimp, twist the pan again, will be done in exactly one more beer. I loves da paella!

142 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:01pm

re: #133 BigPapa

Thank you for the acknowledgment. I want this place to continue on its current path and CJ can’t do it all, he usually has bigger trash to take out.

Me too.

143 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:02pm

re: #141 BigPapa

MMMmmm!

Someone has put together an LGF cookbook by the way.

144 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:16pm

“…but it’s no excuse at all to say, “They did it too.””

Agreed. “Everybody does it” is a teenager’s argument.

On second thought, not even that. My nine-year-old has been giving me grief for weeks, because “everybody” in her class gets to watch Family Guy except her.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:21pm

re: #136 mardukhai

Ever meet a Feminazi? Ever try to debate one — they don’t let you speak.

Ever try to discuss the issues with a journalist infected with their lies? Ever work for laws that would allow fathers to visit their kids, criminalize false abuse charges, require the arrest of female abusers, or seek equal treatment of boys in schools?

Ever read Ms. Magazine in the 70s?

I have. Feminazi fits.


Every revolution is followed by The Terror: the sexual revolution of the 60’s was followed by the Sexual Terror of the 70’s and 80’s, and the feminist revolution had its own Robespierrettes.

In Germany it took on an even more vitriolic strain, as it was largely ignored by the political leftists, who still continued to look on women as having no uses outside the kitchen and bedroom.

146 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:32pm

re: #139 Conservative Moonbat

If you’re talking about 12-step programs I agree they are largely ineffective. Addiction is a medical problem in as so far as it can be dangerous to your health to quit some substances without medical supervision. If you’re an addict, you should go to rehab to try and get clean and not quit on your own.

I’m less clear on the whole “disease model of addiction” and “addictive personality aspects.

Been there done that, FWIW.

Agreed CM.

147 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:13:59pm

re: #126 esch

Oh, I am so sorry. So very sorry.
I hope that you, like I, learned the bitter lesson.

148 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:14:25pm

re: #145 ralphieboy

There was a group in the USA called S.C.U.M.

Society for Cutting Up Men.

149 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:14:29pm

re: #136 mardukhai

Ever meet a Feminazi? Ever try to debate one — they don’t let you speak.

Ever try to discuss the issues with a journalist infected with their lies? Ever work for laws that would allow fathers to visit their kids, criminalize false abuse charges, require the arrest of female abusers, or seek equal treatment of boys in schools?

Ever read Ms. Magazine in the 70s?

I have. Feminazi fits.

There are some very rabid feminists. Calling them feminazis is stupid. They have nothing in common with national socialists. (No, bringing up Solanas won’t help you)

150 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:14:59pm

BBL

151 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:15:31pm

re: #138 katemaclaren

Right on.

Thanks, Kate. I think that it was the mistreatment of boys that killed the movement. A lot of feminists had children, many failed to abort their male fetuses, and loved their sons almost as much as their daughters. When they discovered what schools did to them, well…

152 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:17:37pm

re: #147 katemaclaren

Well thx Kate.

I’m not trying to get a sob story going here. Although it may look like it. 8)
I’m basically trying to establish that I know something about it from both sides.

They knew what they were doing was wrong then and still refuse to radically change their behavior, even when they know it’s killing them. I wonder how many still living boomers are going to go this way.

153 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:17:44pm

re: #148 Ojoe

There was a group in the USA called S.C.U.M.

Society for Cutting Up Men.

Actually there was a book (well, hardly a book but still) called SCUM Manifesto. As far as I am aware there never was a group by that name.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:04pm

re: #151 mardukhai

Thanks, Kate. I think that it was the mistreatment of boys that killed the movement. A lot of feminists had children, many failed to abort their male fetuses, and loved their sons almost as much as their daughters. When they discovered what schools did to them, well…

Get real. You don’t have to like Andrea Dworkin to realize that this characterization of feminists is ridiculous.

155 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #148 Ojoe

There was a group in the USA called S.C.U.M.

Society for Cutting Up Men.

That wasn’t real. The crazy chick who shot Any Warhol wrote a book called The S.C.U.M. Manifesto in which she laid out some pretty far out ideas but there was never any such real group.

156 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:21pm

re: #143 Ojoe

The Cookbook Overlord has my paella recipe and directions. It’s long and a good read, but we’ll see if it makes the cutting room floor. If anybody is interested I can send them a recipe/essay on cooking paella, or you can go here.

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:41pm

But the bit with “Feminazis” illustrates a standard polemic tactic of demagogues like Rush limbaugh: he takes extremists from the left and holds them up as paragons and leaders of Liberal thought in order to discredit everything assiciated with liberal, feminist or environmental.

I remember Rush blaming “environmental whackos” for the california Power shortage in the late 1990’s, when it was Enron and its cohorts manipulating the market responsible for it

158 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:19:46pm

re: #125 KingKenrod

A stroke? When? I had no idea. In that case, pardon me. I wasn’t making fun—but when he was calling candidate Obama the n-word, his speech was still the slow drawl that he always had—it just seems like now it is s l o w e r and much less clear.

159 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:20:17pm

SCUM Manifesto

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:20:42pm

re: #153 enoughalready

Actually there was a book (well, hardly a book but still) called SCUM Manifesto. As far as I am aware there never was a group by that name.

There was also, hey, still is, Hustler Magazine. The First Amendment protected both, and I don’t much want to look at either one.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:21:22pm

Society for Conservative Unrest Mongers

162 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #149 enoughalready

There are some very rabid feminists. Calling them feminazis is stupid. They have nothing in common with national socialists. (No, bringing up Solanas won’t help you)

Some??

Youtube Video
163 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:23:30pm

re: #149 enoughalready

Not to be disagreeable, but having lived through the time of the feminist movement at its beginning and most rabid, I have definitely seen the inner nazi of some of the leaders and some of the locals affected by the zealotry —coercion and punishment for not being “like them” comes to mind. There was a cultishness about the entire movement, too, especially around 1969.

164 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:24:11pm

re: #161 ralphieboy

harsh.

165 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:24:11pm

re: #99 mardukhai

I’ve always hated Rush Limburger. A loudmouth ideologue and jerk.

My personal beef with him is that he’s debased a term from the 70s Men’s Rights Movement — Feminazi.

I used that term as far back as 1977. Germaine Greer, Andrea Dworkin, Ti-Grace Atkinson were just man-hating fascists. (Just check a list of quotes from Dworkin!)

The term was natural, and alliterative, so we used it. RL did NOT invent it.

No, but Rush popularized it until it became his “wink, wink” for any feminism anywhere. It was his way of making the women’s movement ridiculous and suspect in all aspects.

And it did wonders for his ratings among the “I-want-my-penis-back” crowd.

As for Andrea Dworkin, she may dress in black but she’s nobody’s idea of a fearsome fascist.

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:25:13pm

45 Homemade Foods You Can Make Yourself (But Never Thought You Could)

I might think about trying the sausage and bacon. I’ve cut out most of the salt and sugar from my diet. It’d be nice to get rid of nitrates too.

167 ryannon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:25:21pm

re: #148 Ojoe

There was a group in the USA called S.C.U.M.

Society for Cutting Up Men.

With exactly one member: Valerie Solanis, a psychotic who shot Andy Warhol after spraying bullets around his studio at everyone else who happened to be there.

168 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:25:41pm

re: #156 BigPapa

Mmmm, that looks good.

169 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:25:43pm

I get along with my friends and family who represent a spectrum of views left and right. I think if people don’t have to constantly defend their views, they are more amenable to natural change as they mature and have more information. Nothing like an argument to snap that mind shut—tight as a clam.

170 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:26:07pm

Yuck.

171 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:26:08pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I made marshmallows once. Once, I said!!!

172 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:26:22pm

By the way, after an article I wrote embarrassed them, Feminazis tried to sue me (thank God I wrote under an assumed name with a POB return address) — they would have financially destroyed my family and me. It was a common tactic until it was made unprofitable by the anti-SLAPP laws.

Perhaps I would use the term less if I hadn’t been called “Pig” so often for demanding money for prostate cancer research. Even today, it’s more dangerous for a man to call the police on a violent wife than it is to endure the abuse.

173 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:27:09pm

Charles,

Are you referring to Limbaugh’s comment about Michael J. Fox not taking meds before public appearances?

Fox did admit to not not taking meds, including when he appeared before congress.

Of course, unless Limbaugh specifically knew this, it was a stupid thing to say.

174 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #155 Conservative Moonbat

Good research!

175 iceweasel  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:27:35pm

Ah, a “men’s rights” troll. How cute.

176 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:28:15pm

re: #173 HelloDare

Now that’s what I call a double negative.

177 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:28:32pm

re: #156 BigPapa

The Cookbook Overlord has my paella recipe and directions. It’s long and a good read, but we’ll see if it makes the cutting room floor. If anybody is interested I can send them a recipe/essay on cooking paella, or you can go here.

I think you’re in; it’ll be one of the ‘2-pagers.’

178 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:28:39pm

re: #173 HelloDare

Charles,

Are you referring to Limbaugh’s comment about Michael J. Fox not taking meds before public appearances?

Fox did admit to not not taking meds, including when he appeared before congress.

Of course, unless Limbaugh specifically knew this, it was a stupid thing to say.

“I’m not not licking toads…”

179 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:29:59pm

re: #178 esch

“I’m not not licking toads…”

Now clams on the other hand…

180 freetoken  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:30:31pm

Sensuous Curmudgeon has a good post up about the student who sued the OC teacher for saying that creationism is superstition:

[Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com…]

I bring it to attention here because it is such a good example of revanchism, which is a key element of Limbaugh’s schtick.

The 17 year old is reported to have said:

Mission Viejo high school senior Chad Farnan, who successfully sued his former history teacher two years ago for disparaging Christians in class, implored Christians and conservatives to band together to fight for their rights at a GOP campaign fundraiser Friday night.

“Now is the time to fight back, so our rights as Christians and conservatives can be taken back,” said Farnan, 17, a senior at Capistrano Valley High School in Mission Viejo.

So there you have it… the creationists want their right to believe creationism back, for it was stolen by nasty believers in evolution. And this is at a GOP fundraiser.

Limbaugh panders to these people, just like he panders to those who feel aggrieved by the Civil Rights act.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:30:53pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now clams on the other hand…

That shouldn’t make you hallucinate.

182 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why am I suddenly hungry for tacos?

183 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:32:07pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Okay. I agree with the Suffragettes. And nobody gets angrier than me about sexual violence or extortion, but I’m a veteran of a movement the Feminist Cultists (is that acceptable?) successfully suppressed. I’m entitled.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #182 esch

Why am I suddenly hungry for tacos?

Yo quiero pancakes! Click click bloody click pancakes!

185 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:33:13pm

re: #121 katemaclaren

I’m smiling. Aggie supporter—that’s funny!
I think Kinky would be a good governor.

The Kinkster has gotten my support, and will continue to get it.

He considers the office of Governor more of a spiritual position, with the heavy lifting reserved for the Lt. Gov.

186 sngnsgt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:33:18pm

I was a heavy drinker. I did the rehab thing, the meeting thing, the DUI’s and the jail thing too. I never got drunk, I stayed drunk. I made up my mind, I went to the bar and asked my hottie little bartender friend to serve me my last beer. She said, “What do you mean, you just got here.” I said, “This will be the last beer I’m ever going to have and gave her a kiss on the cheek.” I drank my last beer, called the hottie little bartender over and said, “I’m sorry I’m never going to see you again.” That was the last drink I EVER took. I haven’t touched a drop since. Getting hooked on the stuff was all in my mind, and getting off of it was too. To this day, I haven’t touched a drop.

187 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:33:22pm

re: #151 mardukhai

I remember when my “friends” were trying to coerce me into buying dolls and tea sets for my son! I laughed at them. It would have been unkind to point out the many male pediatricians, waiters and chefs, wouldn’t it?

188 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:34:13pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

That shouldn’t make you hallucinate.

Odd, I thought for sure it did. The girl I was with kept saying “Oh God! Oh God!”

189 iceweasel  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:34:15pm

OT: Your GOPfail of the day:

Here is the logo for the ACLU’s National Security Project: its motto is “Keep America Safe and Free.” Check it out.

Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol just created a new organisation, dedicated to pushing Cheney-ite policies and telling us how Barack Obama is going to kill us all.

Here is its logo.

:facepalm:

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:35:15pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd, I thought for sure it did. The girl I was with kept saying “Oh God! Oh God!”

Must have been doing it right then. Carry on, dude.

191 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:35:19pm

re: #182 esch

TACOs! hmmm mmm mmm. Pass the pitcher of Lone Star!

192 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:35:25pm

re: #186 sngnsgt

I was a heavy drinker. I did the rehab thing, the meeting thing, the DUI’s and the jail thing too. I never got drunk, I stayed drunk. I made up my mind, I went to the bar and asked my hottie little bartender friend to serve me my last beer. She said, “What do you mean, you just got here.” I said, “This will be the last beer I’m ever going to have and gave her a kiss on the cheek.” I drank my last beer, called the hottie little bartender over and said, “I’m sorry I’m never going to see you again.” That was the last drink I EVER took. I haven’t touched a drop since. Getting hooked on the stuff was all in my mind, and getting off of it was too. To this day, I haven’t touched a drop.

Congratulations.

193 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:35:40pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

hahahahahahaha!

194 sngnsgt  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:16pm

re: #192 esch

Thank you.

195 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:28pm

re: #183 mardukhai

Okay. I agree with the Suffragettes. And nobody gets angrier than me about sexual violence or extortion, but I’m a veteran of a movement the Feminist Cultists (is that acceptable?) successfully suppressed. I’m entitled.

You agree women should have the right to vote? That’s mighty kind of you. Ditto the bit about thinking it’s not OK to use a woman as a punching bag. The whole suppressed by “feminist cultists” bit just makes you sound pathetic though. Did they steal your testicles?

196 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:29pm

re: #25 esch

Baloney.

It’s a choice.

It’s a choice in the beginning. Later, well… America Anonymous: Eight Addicts in Search of a Life

197 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

It’s easy to find bacon and sausage without nitrates.

198 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:55pm

re: #191 katemaclaren

TACOs! hmmm mmm mmm. Pass the pitcher of Lone Star!

Yep.

Good beer and Snapper. Life is good.

199 rurality  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:36:55pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

Yes, broad brush, but painting the picture I see here. I live on a farm, in a farming community and folks I know would never consider voting for a Dem., ever. This was not the case in my urban life. However, bet there would be lots less D crossover voting now days.

200 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:38:08pm

re: #193 katemaclaren

We lizards say:

Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:38:22pm

re: #197 HelloDare

It’s easy to find bacon and sausage without nitrates.

Really? I’ll have to look around some more then. The idea of getting away from nitrates occurred to me only last week so I haven’t checked around much.

202 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:38:52pm

re: #187 katemaclaren

I remember when my “friends” were trying to coerce me into buying dolls and tea sets for my son! I laughed at them. It would have been unkind to point out the many male pediatricians, waiters and chefs, wouldn’t it?

I’m trying to figure out the meaning of this last sentence.

203 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:39:17pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

For the record, any homede bread or pita/nan bread over a BBQ is immensely satisfying and tasty, a real crowd pleaser.

I made my own BBQ sauce once, from scratch (except for some ketchup). Slaved over 20 ingredients on the stove for a few hours, it tasted awesome. But not any better than the stuff you buy in the store for $3.29.

To recap:
Pro - bread
Anti- homemade BBQ sauce. Spend the $3,29 and spend the time with your friends or family.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:39:19pm

re: #197 HelloDare

It’s easy to find bacon and sausage without nitrates.

Old Sylvia strip: two hookers are standing on a corner:

Hooker 1: So first he wants me to put on fishnets and bunny ears…

Hooker 2: Uh-huh.

Hooker 1: And then he wants me to eat a BLT with extra bacon. And I go, ‘Mister, you are sick. I don’t do nitrates.’

Hooker 2: Damn straight!

205 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:39:30pm

re: #189 iceweasel

OT: Your GOPfail of the day:

Here is the logo for the ACLU’s National Security Project: its motto is “Keep America Safe and Free.” Check it out.

Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol just created a new organisation, dedicated to pushing Cheney-ite policies and telling us how Barack Obama is going to kill us all.

Here is its logo.

:facepalm:

The word “Safe” in red white and blue must have hit all the right consumer research buttons on both sides.

206 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #195 Conservative Moonbat

You agree women should have the right to vote? That’s mighty kind of you. Ditto the bit about thinking it’s not OK to use a woman as a punching bag. The whole suppressed by “feminist cultists” bit just makes you sound pathetic though. Did they steal your testicles?

Of course they have the right to vote. It never should have been a question.

So far as the rest goes:

Raised with no father but a gaggle of insecure suppressive feminists can really screw up a boy. Which has been all too common the last 30-40 years.

207 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:40:01pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Do you have Trader Joes near you. I’ve heard people say good thing about their nitrate free bacon.

208 mardukhai  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:40:19pm

Bye! Lunch time.

Roasted chicken tacos. Yum!

209 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:41:38pm

re: #203 BigPapa

I’ve been baking my own bread for years. It’s well worth the effort.

210 freetoken  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:42:06pm

re: #205 jaunte

The word “Safe” in red white and blue must have hit all the right consumer research buttons on both sides.

Makes lots of sense… “Safe” ↔ “Unsafe” builds on the idea that fear is one of the greatest of all motivators, and the way to sell oneself as the “savior” is to convince people that they would be unsafe without you.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:42:14pm

re: #203 BigPapa

For the record, any homede bread or pita/nan bread over a BBQ is immensely satisfying and tasty, a real crowd pleaser.

I made my own BBQ sauce once, from scratch (except for some ketchup). Slaved over 20 ingredients on the stove for a few hours, it tasted awesome. But not any better than the stuff you buy in the store for $3.29.

To recap:
Pro - bread
Anti- homemade BBQ sauce. Spend the $3,29 and spend the time with your friends or family.

Yeah. I tend to want to go all Martha Stewart from time to time—I am living in the heart of gourmet, eco-, healthy-, loco-, organo-vore world. But I remind myself that opening a can is OK, and spend the time with my husband instead, sometimes.

I read Latina magazine. They frequently remind their readers that just because your grandmother made her frijoles from dried does not mean you are a bad woman if you use canned.

212 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:42:33pm

re: #207 HelloDare
I go to trader joe’s about once a month, usually for fish. I’ll check out their bacon next time I go.

213 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:43:15pm

Ok. We can stop re-fighting the war between the dates.

214 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:43:56pm

My 7 year old has just learned about bathroom acoustics and is singing her head off in the shower.

Unfortunately, she is a muscial amputee. Can’t hold a note, can’t carry a tune.

laughing my ass off here.

215 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:44:03pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Only means that back in the day, men did grow up to careers that involved cooking, setting tables, and minding babies. They weren’t clueless about such things, just took a different path from their sisters.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:44:09pm

re: #206 esch

Of course they have the right to vote. It never should have been a question.

So far as the rest goes:

Raised with no father but a gaggle of insecure suppressive feminists can really screw up a boy. Which has been all too common the last 30-40 years.

Blink. Reeeaaally?

217 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #177 jaunte

I think you’re in; it’ll be one of the ‘2-pagers.’

That’s cool. I’m surprised cuz it was long and the book looks huge! I wouldn’t have my feelings hurt if it didn’t make it. When you do these kinds of things somebody always will complain or get their feelings hurt, so don’t worry about me.

I do appreciate the efforts you and reine put into it!

218 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:44:52pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

okay…Bwa hahahahahaha
?

219 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:45:13pm

re: #206 esch

Of course they have the right to vote. It never should have been a question.

So far as the rest goes:

Raised with no father but a gaggle of insecure suppressive feminists can really screw up a boy. Which has been all too common the last 30-40 years.

True.

But “suppressive” is a $cientology word. You might want to find another.

And no, I would not want to be a boy raised by the lesbo feminist professors I know. Fortunately they only seem to adopt girls. Fortunate for the girls? I’m less sure about that.

I think when I get a chance I’ll teach them how to shoot.

220 Kragar  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My 7 year old has just learned about bathroom acoustics and is singing her head off in the shower.

Unfortunately, she is a muscial amputee. Can’t hold a note, can’t carry a tune.

laughing my ass off here.

Wife just came by and said “She gets that from you.”

221 jaunte  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:46:24pm

re: #217 BigPapa

Thanks; FlakMusic is the one doing the heavy lifting of assembly right now, but it’s my turn soon.

222 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:47:35pm

re: #206 esch

Of course they have the right to vote. It never should have been a question.

So far as the rest goes:

Raised with no father but a gaggle of insecure suppressive feminists can really screw up a boy. Which has been all too common the last 30-40 years.

Since when is the collective noun for feminists a “gaggle” anyway?

223 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:47:37pm

Attention, please, I’m sorry to interrupt this thread:

A section of the cookbook that contains approx 60 recipes is in pdf form and ready for proofing.

I have 2 volunteers for proofreading; if I could get 2 or 3 more, it would really help to spread the pain around and would be most appreciated. If anyone is interested, please click my nic and send an e-mail to the e-mail address at the cookbook blog.

thank you!

224 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:47:47pm

And in Germany, like as not, little boys are now taught to squat down when they pee.

Now that I find offensive.

225 erraticsphinx  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:48:24pm

re: #180 freetoken

Ahh, your modern day far-right wingers.

Ignorant, stupid, and proud of it.

226 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:49:32pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

True.

But “suppressive” is a $cientology word. You might want to find another.

And no, I would not want to be a boy raised by the lesbo feminist professors I know. Fortunately they only seem to adopt girls. Fortunate for the girls? I’m less sure about that.

I think when I get a chance I’ll teach them how to shoot.

That will do them some good.

Suppressive is a Scientology specific word? Predates them so far as I know. How about repressive? Belittling? Castrating?

227 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:49:34pm

re: #217 BigPapa

That’s cool. I’m surprised cuz it was long and the book looks huge! I wouldn’t have my feelings hurt if it didn’t make it. When you do these kinds of things somebody always will complain or get their feelings hurt, so don’t worry about me.

I do appreciate the efforts you and reine put into it!

Heh.
Your paella passion is almost a section in itself!
Jaunte and FlakMusic have done the heavy lifting on this one as well as Volume 1. I am merely the message-passer-on.

228 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:49:39pm

re: #222 Conservative Moonbat

Since when is the collective noun for feminists a “gaggle” anyway?

Works for me.

A gaggle of feminists. A congeries of conservatives. A snark of lizards.

229 Jack Burton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

And in Germany, like as not, little boys are now taught to squat down when they pee.

Now that I find offensive.

Das ist Quatsch!

230 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:20pm

And now the right wingers are starting up a campaign to get Rick Sanchez fired from CNN for “smearing” St. Limbaugh.

231 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:22pm

re: #221 jaunte

Cool. More art? My wife had no idea why I was snickering and laughing reading a cookbook on first version. I was even snickering on your cover. She just didn’t get it, but then again, it keeps here guessin…

232 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:31pm

re: #222 Conservative Moonbat

LOL.

Hmmm might be a Rush-ism you caught me out on!

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:39pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

And in Germany, like as not, little boys are now taught to squat down when they pee.

Now that I find offensive.

I used to teach at a highly moobatty charter school, which, among other odd features, had a ‘manhood training class’. After our volunteer janitor refused to clean the boy’s bathroom because, apparently, it was just hideous, I suggested to the manhood training instructor that he add a unit on ‘aiming’. I further suggested that the finale of the unit should be a trip up to the snow so they could write their names.

234 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

45 Homemade Foods You Can Make Yourself (But Never Thought You Could)

I might think about trying the sausage and bacon. I’ve cut out most of the salt and sugar from my diet. It’d be nice to get rid of nitrates too.

If you’re interested in sausage and bacon, the bible for such things - and for other cured meats and vegetables - is Charcuterie by Michael Ruhlman and Brian Polcyn. It is very good - highly recommended.

Everyone should make their own bacon at least once. It may not be worth doing on a regular basis, especially if you have a butcher who does specialty curing of their own, but I figure if I’m going to live in a Capitalist society, I damn well better buy an honest to God pork belly at least once in my life.

235 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this is opinion, but it is notable that children raised in single-parent households—usually by a woman—seem to have far more male children in trouble. This is supported by a lot of studies. In urban areas, like where I live, this is pretty evident. Even when I lived abroad, it was evident. I don’t lay this at the door of feminists, but the marginalization of fathers, generally, in their traditional role of bread winner. This is what is going on superficially, and unfortunately, whatever may be the core cause (if one could track it down and isolate it), there must be many, many contributing factors which serve to exponentially aggravate it.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:18pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

I used to teach at a highly moobatty charter school, which, among other odd features, had a ‘manhood training class’. After our volunteer janitor refused to clean the boy’s bathroom because, apparently, it was just hideous, I suggested to the manhood training instructor that he add a unit on ‘aiming’. I further suggested that the finale of the unit should be a trip up to the snow so they could write their names.

PIMF: moonbatty

237 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:58pm

re: #226 esch

That will do them some good.

Suppressive is a Scientology specific word? Predates them so far as I know. How about repressive? Belittling? Castrating?

Better. $cientology has taken over the word to mean someone - anyone - who opposes, exposes or otherwise harms the “church”. A Suppressive Person may be harmed in any way “church” members deem appropriate.

238 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:59pm

re: #49 bratwurst

Is that a Heerenveen banner you have there?

No. It’s the Frisian flag. (Indeed, the same provence that bore the Frisian cows and the provence where Pieter Stuyvesant (first mayor of new Amsterdam) was born.


I am however still a season ticket holder of sc Heerenveen, for 20 years now.

239 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:52:03pm

re: #215 katemaclaren

Only means that back in the day, men did grow up to careers that involved cooking, setting tables, and minding babies. They weren’t clueless about such things, just took a different path from their sisters.

OK I think kids will grow up independently to a large degree regardless of what we put in front of them such as “tea sets” and such. This is because they will develop their own interests while being influenced by the surrounding environment such as school, entertainment, etc. More than likely a boy given a “tea set” will soon discover his own interests and either like that or decide he prefers a toy front end loader or firetruck. This would work for girls as well. I’m pretty sure that tea sets are out for either gender.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:52:37pm

I live in Germany where tortillas are hard to come by, I learned to make my own. And would continue to do so on special occasions even if I lived in the ‘States, they are awesome and even fun to make if you have the right company…

241 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #74 esch

Both of my parents are dying from the consequences of drug abuse. And they’ve outlasted almost all of their friends who died in similar ways. I grew up around it and have lived with the consequences of it.

Characterizing it as a ‘disease’ was idiotic and has done society a great disservice as it removes culpability for choices. And it’s helped us have so many fewer addicts now, right?

My sincere sympathies to you and your parents. At least nowadays, with the shift towards characterizing substance addiction as a disease, people can feel less stigmatized in getting help.

242 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:53:00pm

re: #222 Conservative Moonbat

“gaggle” as collective noun? Correct that. It would be “giggle.”
(this is meant to be a light touch!!!)

243 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:53:05pm

re: #230 Charles

And now the right wingers are starting up a campaign to get Rick Sanchez fired from CNN for “smearing” St. Limbaugh.

This will lead to failure. Their latest round of demands for firing, with the Mao quotes, fell completely flat. Continued tilting at windmills like this makes each successive crusade all the more likely to fail, as a reputation for being a bunch of ineffective, bleating idiots takes firmer and firmer hold.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:54:04pm

re: #235 katemaclaren

Well, this is opinion, but it is notable that children raised in single-parent households—usually by a woman—seem to have far more male children in trouble. This is supported by a lot of studies. In urban areas, like where I live, this is pretty evident. Even when I lived abroad, it was evident. I don’t lay this at the door of feminists, but the marginalization of fathers, generally, in their traditional role of bread winner. This is what is going on superficially, and unfortunately, whatever may be the core cause (if one could track it down and isolate it), there must be many, many contributing factors which serve to exponentially aggravate it.

Single-parent households tend to be poorer, and single parents can only give one person’s attention, while struggling to do two parent’s jobs.

I agree, it’s not a result of the feminist movement. My grandmother was a single mom in the 50s, and it was hell, and my dad and his sister did get into some trouble, and because it was prefeminist Fresno, she put up with some crap she would not have just a few decades later.

All worked out in the long run, but some families are not so lucky.

245 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:54:15pm

re: #229 ArchangelMichael

Das ist Quatsch!

That they teach their boys that, or the fact that they do?

They do. I’ve seen it. And it’s not at all uncommon. Sweden, too.

246 swamprat  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:54:21pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Link: singingfool.com…]

You’re the reason our kids are ugly

247 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:55:03pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

There was much ado about cleaning bathrooms somewhere (I read) and a great solution—and it worked. A rather realistic image of a fly was somehow included on the inside of the urinal. After that, much less to clean up. Seems men like to aim at something!

248 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #241 The Sanity Inspector

My sincere sympathies to you and your parents. At least nowadays, with the shift towards characterizing substance addiction as a disease, people can feel less stigmatized in getting help.

Thx. Like I said earlier I wasn’t trying to get a sob story going.

My take on it is the labeling of it as a disease alleviates the person from responsibility for it. Greatly decreasing the chances of them recovering. I’ve seen it over and over and over again.

249 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:55:34pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I concur.

250 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #88 rurality

I wonder how many R’s have ever voted for a D.? Have you noticed how making that choice seems impossible, physically and emotionally, whereas almost every D I know has voted R, one time or another.

Do you have some sort of study in mind, or is this just a general impression?

251 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #163 katemaclaren

Not to be disagreeable, but having lived through the time of the feminist movement at its beginning and most rabid, I have definitely seen the inner nazi of some of the leaders and some of the locals affected by the zealotry —coercion and punishment for not being “like them” comes to mind. There was a cultishness about the entire movement, too, especially around 1969.

Ummm. Feminism is a wee bit older than that. Now since I am a man I’m not the best suited to argue this point but I have a problem with the “feminazi” slur and with the demonization of feminists in general. Sure there are radical versions of it - just like with any other ideology *COUGH*. But it’s still an important movement and with many issues that need to be taken seriously.

There are people who call gay activists all kinds of things as well. I find that equally appalling and for the exact same reasons. But if you want to go ahead calling them “feminazis” then by all means go ahead. I strongly disagree with a characterization of feminists in general as radical crazies and I dislike the term since it brings with it a history which really has no equivalent at all in modern feminist thought/theory as far as I am aware (and I am pretty voracious reader).

252 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:56:14pm

re: #135 swamprat

Fascination itself;
Oxidized(can you say smoking?) nicotinic acid produces niacin.
Too much niacin produces a rash, but only where the person has experinced sunburn previously.
There are higher rates of cancer in countries where tobacco has higher amounts of sugar. But the sugar content might be a red herring, as the tar is probably co-related.

Ahh, but niacin deficiencies can produce symptoms indistinguishable from clinical depression.

Higher sugar in the tobacco may be related to the production, during fermentation or “sweating” of TSNA compounds. Low-temperature steam pasteurization, as practiced by the Swedes in the production of snus, and certain refinements in tobacco curing developed stateside by Star Scientific, however, promise to reduce the percentages of these carcinogens in tobacco. Won’t make it any healthier, but there it is.

253 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:56:36pm

re: #234 SixDegrees

You might also be interested in collecting your own yeast and maintaining a sourdough culture with the results. The procedure is dirt simple, and is outlined briefly in The Omnivore’s Dilemma, but there are plenty of articles on the web if you search for “yeast hunting” or some such.

Haven’t tried that myself yet; no time during the already past warm season, and now it’s too cold. Maybe next spring.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:56:54pm

re: #239 Gus 802

OK I think kids will grow up independently to a large degree regardless of what we put in front of them such as “tea sets” and such. This is because they will develop their own interests while being influenced by the surrounding environment such as school, entertainment, etc. More than likely a boy given a “tea set” will soon discover his own interests and either like that or decide he prefers a toy front end loader or firetruck. This would work for girls as well. I’m pretty sure that tea sets are out for either gender.

I think the trick is to let kids choose their own toys and interests without judging or nudging. A friend of mine has a daughter who from an early age was mad for tools. Little tool benches, cars she could pretend to repair, anything mechanical. If it was pink, even cooler.

Her brother seems to prefer animals, but doesn’t have any interest in traditionally ‘girly’ stuff. Not much with the mechanics either.

Time was, she would have been laughed at and given dolls. As is, they get to do what they like.

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:57:26pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Single-parent households tend to be poorer, and single parents can only give one person’s attention, while struggling to do two parent’s jobs.

I agree, it’s not a result of the feminist movement. My grandmother was a single mom in the 50s, and it was hell, and my dad and his sister did get into some trouble, and because it was prefeminist Fresno, she put up with some crap she would not have just a few decades later.

All worked out in the long run, but some families are not so lucky.

There’s a psychological aspect to it: without a male role model in the house, boys are going to be a lot harder to shape into responsible adults.

I was raised by my mother because my father died when I was seven, fortunately I had older brothers, uncles and brothers-in-law to act as role models, take me fishing, teadh me how to build models, play cards, tell dirty jokes, etc.


But in that respect, I was rather lucky.

256 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:58:25pm

re: #240 ralphieboy

Yum Yum Yum. When I lived abroad I had to learn to make everything from scratch, too. I became a much better cook—but got so sick of it that if I ever have a house built—there’ll be no kitchen.

257 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:59:03pm

re: #247 katemaclaren

There was much ado about cleaning bathrooms somewhere (I read) and a great solution—and it worked. A rather realistic image of a fly was somehow included on the inside of the urinal. After that, much less to clean up. Seems men like to aim at something!

Feminists have conquered that aspect of Germany, it is SOP for even men to sit down to pee, I donÄt know how the women got them trained that way, but it scares me to see how easily men gave up the fight on that one.

(I still stand unless there is there is a note expressly requesting that I sit)

258 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:59:11pm

re: #238 William of Orange

I knew I recognized that pattern from SOMEWHERE. :)

259 Jack Burton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:59:54pm

re: #245 Cato the Elder

That they teach their boys that, or the fact that they do?

They do. I’ve seen it. And it’s not at all uncommon. Sweden, too.

Yes I was directing this at the Germans, not you. The only time men should squat or sit to pee is when they are too drunk to stand up, or half-asleep.

260 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:00:20pm

re: #251 enoughalready

I know. My mother is a doctor. She was born in 1918. She was a tough cookie.

261 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:00:23pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the trick is to let kids choose their own toys and interests without judging or nudging. A friend of mine has a daughter who from an early age was mad for tools. Little tool benches, cars she could pretend to repair, anything mechanical. If it was pink, even cooler.

Her brother seems to prefer animals, but doesn’t have any interest in traditionally ‘girly’ stuff. Not much with the mechanics either.

Time was, she would have been laughed at and given dolls. As is, they get to do what they like.

Best thing for the kids’ brains and personal development and happiness, and, in all probability, better for the society as a whole, to allow each person to develop and express his or her own excellences.

262 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:00:30pm

re: #257 ralphieboy

Feminists have conquered that aspect of Germany, it is SOP for even men to sit down to pee, I donÄt know how the women got them trained that way, but it scares me to see how easily men gave up the fight on that one.

(I still stand unless there is there is a note expressly requesting that I sit)

I stand even with the note. It makes me suddenly forget all my German.

263 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:00:44pm

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

very funny picture in my head now!

264 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:00:48pm

re: #257 ralphieboy

Feminists have conquered that aspect of Germany, it is SOP for even men to sit down to pee, I donÄt know how the women got them trained that way, but it scares me to see how easily men gave up the fight on that one.

(I still stand unless there is there is a note expressly requesting that I sit)

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #255 ralphieboy

There’s a psychological aspect to it: without a male role model in the house, boys are going to be a lot harder to shape into responsible adults.

I was raised by my mother because my father died when I was seven, fortunately I had older brothers, uncles and brothers-in-law to act as role models, take me fishing, teadh me how to build models, play cards, tell dirty jokes, etc.


But in that respect, I was rather lucky.

I think my father was lucky not to be raised by his own father, honestly, even if it was hard. My grandma divorced him mostly because he was abusive toward the children.

My husband was raised all by women, and he turned out pretty good. He’s extremely deferential about PMS symptoms.

266 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:27pm

re: #261 Guanxi88

Absa-bloomin-lootely!

267 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:30pm

re: #264 enoughalready

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

Because we can. Neener.

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:52pm

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

Yes I was directing this at the Germans, not you. The only time men should squat or sit to pee is when they are too drunk to stand up, or half-asleep.


I see it as a psychological thing: nowadays women can do almost anything men can do except stand up to pee. If we give that up, we might as well just dig a hole and crawl into it…

///

269 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

Yes I was directing this at the Germans, not you. The only time men should squat or sit to pee is when they are too drunk to stand up, or half-asleep.

If you’re too drunk to stand up, then don’t, but don’t demean yourself, man. Better to piss against the wall, leaning your face into the bricks, than to squat like a German.

270 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

I think my father was lucky not to be raised by his own father, honestly, even if it was hard. My grandma divorced him mostly because he was abusive toward the children.

My husband was raised all by women, and he turned out pretty good. He’s extremely deferential about PMS symptoms.

This speaks for itself! I got a big laugh when I read it!

271 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:02:14pm

re: #264 enoughalready

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

Seriously, why do you care if they can aim or clean up after themselves?

272 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:02:22pm

re: #267 Cato the Elder

Because we can. Neener.

Ummm. Yes. We can do a lot of other pointless things as well. Doesn’t mean that we HAVE to do them every chance we get?

273 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the trick is to let kids choose their own toys and interests without judging or nudging. A friend of mine has a daughter who from an early age was mad for tools. Little tool benches, cars she could pretend to repair, anything mechanical. If it was pink, even cooler.

Her brother seems to prefer animals, but doesn’t have any interest in traditionally ‘girly’ stuff. Not much with the mechanics either.

Time was, she would have been laughed at and given dolls. As is, they get to do what they like.

Well said. I think the key is to accept and nurture real world interests regardless of gender. This also applies with adults as well in that there are no real gender specific interests or careers.

274 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #271 esch

Seriously, why do you care if they can aim or clean up after themselves?

I am just laughing at it since this is classic mock outrage.

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:08pm

Germans are politically progressive, but domestically, it is still the women who do most of the cooking and cleaning. Hence the insistence Sitzen-mit-dem Pee-Pee-Machen

276 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:10pm

re: #264 enoughalready

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

This is the simplest, most convenient method, consistent with male gear, as issued, for expelling urine. We can do this without soiling ourselves, whereas for women to pass urine without soiling themselves, certain other postures are more suitable.

277 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:39pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

Where are you in Deutschland, Ralph?

278 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:40pm

re: #274 enoughalready

I am just laughing at it since this is classic mock outrage.

True.

Sadly it is one more very minor symptom of the cultural rot going on in Germany. Glad my ancestor was sane enough to leave before the insanity.

279 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:57pm

re: #173 HelloDare

Charles,

Are you referring to Limbaugh’s comment about Michael J. Fox not taking meds before public appearances?

Fox did admit to not not taking meds, including when he appeared before congress.

Of course, unless Limbaugh specifically knew this, it was a stupid thing to say.


The way Parkinsons meds work is, there’s two sets of meds, each of which allows symptoms/causes side effects counteracted by the other. How quickly or strongly a certain set of symptoms comes on, necessitating taking the other set, depends on what you’re doing that day, what kind of mood you’re in, what you had for lunch, how well you slept last night, what’s the ambient temperature and humidity, and a dozen other factors. It’s not predictable. It’s a seesaw on an irregular schedule.

There’s nothing odd, or dishonest, or dramatic, or medically inadvisible, about the way Michael J Fox describes waiting a couple of hours to take a particular set.

280 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #272 enoughalready

Ummm. Yes. We can do a lot of other pointless things as well. Doesn’t mean that we HAVE to do them every chance we get?

I hardly see what’s “pointless” about not having to drop trou and squat before relieving yourself. You’ll have to amputate my legs before I give up that convenience.

281 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #277 bratwurst

Where are you in Deutschland, Ralph?

On the Rhine, between Bingen and Coblenz (Between Mainz and Cologne for those of you with smaller maps)

282 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:05:53pm

re: #264 enoughalready

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

It’s a power and domination/dominion/liquid ballistics game thing. Women just don’t understand.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #264 enoughalready

Perhaps because women clean the bathrooms? Seriously, what is it with the standing?

Dave Barry believes that men created civilization to get out of housework. He further believes that the feminist movement was created because one man took it too far bitching about his hard day at the office. His wife thought “I’ve spent all day scraping spider eggs out from under the toilet, and you’ve had a hard day? I have to see what this office place is like.”

Women have refused to go back, Barry states, and men have never forgiven that one dumb bastard who blew their cover.

284 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:25pm

re: #276 Guanxi88

This is the simplest, most convenient method, consistent with male gear, as issued, for expelling urine. We can do this without soiling ourselves, whereas for women to pass urine without soiling themselves, certain other postures are more suitable.

I have two sons. They think they know. They don’t. This goes for a lot of other guys as well. Sit the hell down. Hehehe. This is hysterical.

285 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:39pm

re: #251 enoughalready

Just a note. I don’t call feminists “feminazis”—a term I haven’t heard too often, but one I haven’t picked up on. In the days before Ms was a normal title, and only a magazine, the term “feminist” itself wasn’t common.

286 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #282 BigPapa

It’s a power and domination/dominion/liquid ballistics game thing. Women just don’t understand.

Sounds like Camille Paglia describing the arc of transcendence made by the stream of urine. No, seriously, she did write some such thing, as I recall.

287 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:42pm

I do make effort to aim and even wipe the rim if I have been the lest bit off-target. But I stand.

288 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:45pm

re: #279 sagehen

The way Parkinsons meds work is, there’s two sets of meds, each of which allows symptoms/causes side effects counteracted by the other. How quickly or strongly a certain set of symptoms comes on, necessitating taking the other set, depends on what you’re doing that day, what kind of mood you’re in, what you had for lunch, how well you slept last night, what’s the ambient temperature and humidity, and a dozen other factors. It’s not predictable. It’s a seesaw on an irregular schedule.

There’s nothing odd, or dishonest, or dramatic, or medically inadvisible, about the way Michael J Fox describes waiting a couple of hours to take a particular set.

And yet Rush Limbaugh beats up on him about it.

289 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:00pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

+lots

290 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:03pm

re: #282 BigPapa

It’s a power and domination/dominion/liquid ballistics game thing. Women just don’t understand.

They have their own toilet social dynamics.

291 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #268 ralphieboy

I see it as a psychological thing: nowadays women can do almost anything men can do except stand up to pee. If we give that up, we might as well just dig a hole and crawl into it…

Start digging…

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:47pm

To males standing on a bridge, peeing

“Man, that river is cold,” boast one
“And deep, too,” boasts the other…

293 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #271 esch

Seriously, why do you care if they can aim or clean up after themselves?

The best things about all of my little boys standing was that they used less toilet paper! Sheryl Crow would approve!

294 Jack Burton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

Germans are politically progressive, but domestically, it is still the women who do most of the cooking and cleaning. Hence the insistence Sitzen-mit-dem Pee-Pee-Machen

Do public restrooms still have urinals in them there? (or did they ever?)

295 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:08:21pm

re: #284 enoughalready

I have two sons. They think they know. They don’t. This goes for a lot of other guys as well. Sit the hell down. Hehehe. This is hysterical.

The use of the toilet as the current system of waste management doesn’t change the mechanics of the thing.

If sitting makes toilet cleaning easier, and reduces aiming errors, then that’s an artifact of the toilet, and/or operator error, not an argument for the correction and revision of certain traditional, and biologically preferable, methods of making water.

296 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:08:21pm

re: #287 ralphieboy

I do make effort to aim and even wipe the rim if I have been the lest bit off-target. But I stand.

Keep it up!

297 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:09:10pm

re: #295 Guanxi88

Very eruditey!

298 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:09:34pm

re: #281 ralphieboy

Ich war fuer 4 jahren in das schoenes Ruhrgebiet!

299 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:09:36pm

re: #296 katemaclaren

Keep it up!

LMAO

Sure you don’t want to rephrase that?

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:09:40pm

re: #268 ralphieboy

I see it as a psychological thing: nowadays women can do almost anything men can do except stand up to pee. If we give that up, we might as well just dig a hole and crawl into it…

///

Actually, there’s a whole thing out there about women peeing standing up. In college, people would get all into learning how to do it, because that made you COOL, and super-feminist.

The only explanation for it I ever heard that made sense was that it might be useful in clubs with really filthy bathrooms. I flatly refused to get involved with this. It seemed like too much trouble.

Occasionally, when I’ve had to use the BART station bathrooms I have reconsidered this stance. So to speak.

301 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #294 ArchangelMichael

Do public restrooms still have urinals in them there? (or did they ever?)


There was a hilarious gag on the German “Candid Camera”: They taped off the urinals in a men’s room (they are certainly quite common) and put up a sign “Forbidden to Urinate While Standing”, and hired a Geraman Cleaning Lady From Hell to yell at the men who were standing in the stalls with their feet facing the wrong way…

The responses ranged from vehement protest to sheepish obedience…

302 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #297 katemaclaren

Very eruditey!

Thank you - glad to know that my education has at least equipped me, if not for wealth and power, then at least to be able to discuss pissing in a semi-scholarly way.
//

303 Jack Burton  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, there’s a whole thing out there about women peeing standing up. In college, people would get all into learning how to do it, because that made you COOL, and super-feminist.

The only explanation for it I ever heard that made sense was that it might be useful in clubs with really filthy bathrooms. I flatly refused to get involved with this. It seemed like too much trouble.

Occasionally, when I’ve had to use the BART station bathrooms I have reconsidered this stance. So to speak.

That’s the reason to build up the muscles for “hovering”.

304 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #295 Guanxi88

The use of the toilet as the current system of waste management doesn’t change the mechanics of the thing.

If sitting makes toilet cleaning easier, and reduces aiming errors, then that’s an artifact of the toilet, and/or operator error, not an argument for the correction and revision of certain traditional, and biologically preferable, methods of making water.

I see, so you are arguing that current models of sanitary equipment are in fact artifacts of misandry? That perhaps there is a nefarious cabal of females who design them to ensure that they are incompatible with the inherently male (and therefore evil) way of voiding.

305 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:11:39pm

re: #284 enoughalready

I have two sons. They think they know. They don’t. This goes for a lot of other guys as well. Sit the hell down. Hehehe. This is hysterical.

Never gonna happen unless you come in the bathroom and make me. And that could really get messy!

306 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:12:04pm

re: #286 Guanxi88

Sounds like Camille Paglia describing the arc of transcendence made by the stream of urine. No, seriously, she did write some such thing, as I recall.

…and even more erudition! Bravo!
I Like Camille. She’s salty and crusty and very frank. Sounds a bit like a hotdog, doesn’t it? But she’s no weiner. Whiner?

307 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:12:05pm

I also read that the Army was developing a disposable cardboard tube that would allow female soldiers to pee standing up. Which does put one at a tactical disadvanage in many cases…

308 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:12:55pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

Never gonna happen unless you come in the bathroom and make me. And that could really get messy!

Do you mind awfully if I pass?

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:10pm

re: #286 Guanxi88

Sounds like Camille Paglia describing the arc of transcendence made by the stream of urine. No, seriously, she did write some such thing, as I recall.

That sounds like Camille. Seriously, the woman’s problem is that she digs men’s bodies, and thinks there’s some deep philosophy behind it. Camille: there isn’t. You are just straight. Deal with it.

310 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:13pm

re: #299 esch

…a little to the right? No, a bit more to the left, now down a hair…Go!

311 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:27pm

Stehpinkeln: das letzte Vorrecht des Mannes!

312 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:34pm

re: #304 enoughalready

I see, so you are arguing that current models of sanitary equipment are in fact artifacts of misandry? That perhaps there is a nefarious cabal of females who design them to ensure that they are incompatible with the inherently male (and therefore evil) way of voiding.

No, the water closet was the best adaptation available at the time of the older technology (the chamber pot). It was never perfect by any means.

Male urine is best (and most efficiently) handled by the standing posture and the urinal. Use of the toilet bowl (better suited, by far, for those discharge functions that necessitate a seated posture) is a mis-use of the technology; the proof of the mis-fit of the technology is obvious from this very discussion.

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:52pm

Another standard German cartoon shows a fellow in front of a toilet with a “please sit down to pee” sign sitting on the floor and aiming up at the bowl…

314 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:15:04pm

For the record since all of you are dying to know…

I usually sit because I choose to. That is for purely green/pragmatic/sound effects management reasons, not because my wife makes me.

I just don’t want any rumors being spread.

315 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:15:30pm

And in America it’s all about lifting the toilet seat…

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:15:44pm

re: #307 ralphieboy

I also read that the Army was developing a disposable cardboard tube that would allow female soldiers to pee standing up. Which does put one at a tactical disadvanage in many cases…

They’ve made stuff like that for camping for a number of years. For military purposes, I can see why it would be a good idea.

317 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:16:37pm

This thread’s going down the crapper.

318 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:16:39pm

Sitting to pee should be like wearing the Hijab: fine if you do it voluntarily, but not out of fear of retibution…

319 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

Never gonna happen unless you come in the bathroom and make me. And that could really get messy!

Reminds me of About Schmidt.

320 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:18:09pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

No, the water closet was the best adaptation available at the time of the older technology (the chamber pot). It was never perfect by any means.

Male urine is best (and most efficiently) handled by the standing posture and the urinal. Use of the toilet bowl (better suited, by far, for those discharge functions that necessitate a seated posture) is a mis-use of the technology; the proof of the mis-fit of the technology is obvious from this very discussion.

I have to admit this German trend is a new one for me. Imagine long lines of men waiting to use the toilet to urinate. Then imagine the extra water use to flush a toilet as compared to a urinal.

321 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:18:26pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

I LOVE this discussion!

322 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:19:02pm

re: #320 Gus 802

This point was well-aimed!

323 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

No, the water closet was the best adaptation available at the time of the older technology (the chamber pot). It was never perfect by any means.

Male urine is best (and most efficiently) handled by the standing posture and the urinal. Use of the toilet bowl (better suited, by far, for those discharge functions that necessitate a seated posture) is a mis-use of the technology; the proof of the mis-fit of the technology is obvious from this very discussion.

But let’s look at this from an economical perspective. A common household consists of both sexes (or is a smaller dwelling which is rented and where the owner of said property wants to maximize income by ensuring that the property is appropriate for 100 percent of the market). Installing both a toilet bowl and a urinal would make no economical sense since the toilet bowl is in fact appropriate and useful for both sexes, even if it requires some minor behavioral modifications for the males. Hence in a free market economy with rational players we would have 100 percent market penetration of toilet bowls and men would sit when they pee.

324 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:19:40pm

re: #310 katemaclaren

…a little to the right? No, a bit more to the left, now down a hair…Go!

Heheh.

That sounds familiar.

325 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #317 The Sanity Inspector

…a loyal flush!

326 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:20:31pm

re: #321 katemaclaren

I LOVE this discussion!

See, this is what bad design and bad engineering can cause - strife between the sexes. The technology doesn’t work as it should, and so, instead of looking for a better way, we stick with the current water closet system. It’s not an impossible fix, by any means, and there’s no reason why one half of the world should use a device wholly unsuitable for its intended purpose AND irritate the other half of the world in the process.

327 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:21:06pm

re: #323 enoughalready

Those long lines at the theater…arrrgh. Poor guys.

328 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #326 Guanxi88

…should use a device wholly unsuitable for its intended purpose AND irritate the other half of the world in the process.

You read Spider Robinson don’t you?

329 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:21:46pm

re: #326 Guanxi88

LOL! et veritas!

330 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:22:20pm

re: #328 esch

…could be John Cleese in a serious moment.

331 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:22:21pm

re: #323 enoughalready

But let’s look at this from an economical perspective. A common household consists of both sexes (or is a smaller dwelling which is rented and where the owner of said property wants to maximize income by ensuring that the property is appropriate for 100 percent of the market). Installing both a toilet bowl and a urinal would make no economical sense since the toilet bowl is in fact appropriate and useful for both sexes, even if it requires some minor behavioral modifications for the males. Hence in a free market economy with rational players we would have 100 percent market penetration of toilet bowls and men would sit when they pee.

Don’t deny for a moment that dual-installations are not cost-effective. The seated posture is, however, unsuitable (for cultural and mechanical reasons) for male urination, and is really an instance of attempting to compel a user to conform to the mechanics of a device that is not properly designed.

I don’t know what would be better, but there has to be a better way than this.

332 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #327 katemaclaren

Those long lines at the theater…arrrgh. Poor guys.

That particular comment didn’t cover public restrooms that are divided by sexes. In those places a free market would provide whatever facilities facilitated the best possible throughput. (Yes, I am really sorry for that sentence.)

333 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:22:56pm

re: #324 esch

So may sons, so little time!

334 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:23:06pm

re: #330 katemaclaren

I only ask that because it’s an almost exact quote from a section of one of S.R.’s books.

335 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:23:16pm

re: #332 enoughalready

smile!

336 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:23:30pm

re: #328 esch

You read Spider Robinson don’t you?

Who’s that?

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:23:50pm

re: #320 Gus 802

I have to admit this German trend is a new one for me. Imagine long lines of men waiting to use the toilet to urinate. Then imagine the extra water use to flush a toilet as compared to a urinal.

Most public restroom in Germany have urinals, and almost all toilets have two handles, one for a smaller flush and one for a larger one.

338 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:24:17pm

re: #334 esch

I only ask that because it’s an almost exact quote from a section of one of S.R.’s books.

Get out! I’m not the only guy with this kinda stuff knocking around in his skull? Wait’ll I bore my wife with this piece of news.

339 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #331 Guanxi88

I’m trying to imagine where all of the yellow stains would be, if my little guys had to sit when they were learning to pee. Anyone here remember “the duck”—an attachment for the potty chair?

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:25:05pm

re: #323 enoughalready

But let’s look at this from an economical perspective. A common household consists of both sexes (or is a smaller dwelling which is rented and where the owner of said property wants to maximize income by ensuring that the property is appropriate for 100 percent of the market). Installing both a toilet bowl and a urinal would make no economical sense since the toilet bowl is in fact appropriate and useful for both sexes, even if it requires some minor behavioral modifications for the males. Hence in a free market economy with rational players we would have 100 percent market penetration of toilet bowls and men would sit when they pee.

Then there’s the bidet…a piece of bathroom equipment I have never been able to use effectively.

341 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #336 Guanxi88

Who’s that?

SF writer. Good stuff but the Callahan’s stuff is his best imho.

Never mind. Just really rang a bell.

342 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:25:40pm

… I actually (when I was a young parent) thought that “duck” was the “quacking” kind and didn’t think that “duck” was indeed, a VERB! and a command at that.

343 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:26:09pm

Not one mention of the necessity for taking a wide stance?

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:26:14pm

re: #337 ralphieboy

Most public restroom in Germany have urinals, and almost all toilets have two handles, one for a smaller flush and one for a larger one.

The synagogue down the street from my mom has those. They’re kinda cool.

345 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:26:25pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

Then there’s the bidet…a piece of bathroom equipment I have never been able to use effectively.

We had one in the apartment we lived in when we had our first child. It was really useful as a baby bathtub.

346 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

…me, neither. Who the hell can? The French? Maybe they are more flexible?

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:27:37pm

re: #345 enoughalready

We had one in the apartment we lived in when we had our first child. It was really useful as a baby bathtub.

My landlady’s cat used to like to sit in ours. It was the right size and shape, and it dispensed water. He assumed it was for him.

348 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:28:27pm

re: #334 esch

I only ask that because it’s an almost exact quote from a section of one of S.R.’s books.

I love Sci Fi, can’t read it too often, but don’t know S.R. Do you recommend?

349 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:28:28pm

I actually had a German woman whose husband was my buddy listen at the door once and chide me because she could hear that I stood up to pee. I told her I had a stricture and couldn’t manage it otherwise. She made the great gesture of permitting me an exception.

This was the same woman whose family all ran around in urine-gray “whites”, because she didn’t believe in bleach - for eco-reasons. She even commented on how white my shirts were. When I explained that I used Bleichmittel she told me I was an Umweltsau. Eco-pig.

Creepy. I haven’t stayed there since.

350 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:28:31pm

re: #338 Guanxi88

Get out! I’m not the only guy with this kinda stuff knocking around in his skull? Wait’ll I bore my wife with this piece of news.

Then you’d probably like his work.

351 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:29:16pm

re: #343 The Curmudgeon

I had NO idea!

352 sagehen  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:29:39pm

re: #321 katemaclaren

I LOVE this discussion!


It’s somehow appropriate that a Rush Limbaugh thread should involve long discussions of bodily waste.

353 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:29:56pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

wow. I wonder what her parents did during the war!!!

354 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:10pm

re: #337 ralphieboy

Most public restroom in Germany have urinals, and almost all toilets have two handles, one for a smaller flush and one for a larger one.

Sounds like a dual flush. Can you still use your shoe to flush it? I never touch those things with my hands.

355 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:18pm

re: #348 katemaclaren

I love Sci Fi, can’t read it too often, but don’t know S.R. Do you recommend?

Absolutely. He’s on my short list.

One warning. He’s an incorrigible punster. Big plus for a paranomasiac like me, but not everyone’s cup of tea.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:23pm

It’s two-thirty, and I still haven’t decided what I want for lunch. This is a good Saturday.

357 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:24pm

re: #352 sagehen

I forgot about him. I was just enjoying the banter.

358 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

Then there’s the bidet…a piece of bathroom equipment I have never been able to use effectively.

Most people just take a f***ing shower!

359 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:31:17pm

Repost from last thread:
Is it really that hard for people to apologize when they are wrong? I don’t understand the pride in so many people that causes them to throw out red herrings in order to cover up what they did. Some quotes were fabricated. Others were not. Rush is solely focusing on the fabricated.

He was able to own up to his drug dependency, why not those stupid quotes? I am sure if he apologized people would move on…or maybe that’s why he isn’t going to apologize.

360 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #355 esch

Absolutely. He’s on my short list.

One warning. He’s an incorrigible punster. Big plus for a paranomasiac like me, but not everyone’s cup of tea.

Well, TWO birds with one stone! A new word and a new author! I love punny things, too. Thanks!

361 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:32:32pm

And anybody - male or female - who doesn’t like the position of the toilet seat after entering a bathroom can change it. It’s a hinge, its operation is simplicity itself, and the damn things are virtually unbreakable. That’s one argument I will have only once if with a female companion.

362 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:32:35pm

re: #359 Oh no…Sand People!

This seems a little off topic now…? I think the Rush conversation PEE-ked and went down the drain a while ago.

363 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #360 katemaclaren

YW.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

And anybody - male or female - who doesn’t like the position of the toilet seat after entering a bathroom can change it. It’s a hinge, its operation is simplicity itself, and the damn things are virtually unbreakable. That’s one argument I will have only once if with a female companion.

I have to agree, although I may be thrown out of the League of Women Voters for this.

365 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:33:53pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

You’re right, Cato. It’s silly. I have tennis elbow from putting down the third eye-lid (as I used to call it)—but I was only glad that they lifted the lid in the first place!

366 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:34:02pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

I actually had a German woman whose husband was my buddy listen at the door once and chide me because she could hear that I stood up to pee. I told her I had a stricture and couldn’t manage it otherwise. She made the great gesture of permitting me an exception.

This was the same woman whose family all ran around in urine-gray “whites”, because she didn’t believe in bleach - for eco-reasons. She even commented on how white my shirts were. When I explained that I used Bleichmittel she told me I was an Umweltsau. Eco-pig.

Creepy. I haven’t stayed there since.

Sounds like a neurotic with paraphiliac tendencies, that lady.

367 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:34:14pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

“You never put the toilet seat down.”
“You never put the toilet seat up!”

And that’s when the fight started…

368 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:34:27pm

re: #362 katemaclaren

This seems a little off topic now…? I think the Rush conversation PEE-ked and went down the drain a while ago.

Well, in my neck of the woods I am usually late to the party lately.

369 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:34:29pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

And anybody - male or female - who doesn’t like the position of the toilet seat after entering a bathroom can change it. It’s a hinge, its operation is simplicity itself, and the damn things are virtually unbreakable. That’s one argument I will have only once if with a female companion.

There was a great answer to that particular question in the “Ask the economist”-section in Financial Times a couple of years ago. Basically he first showed that it made economical sense to put the seat down if you put it up but finished by saying “Be a gentleman, don’t leave it up”. Good advice.

370 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:35:10pm

re: #358 BigPapa

So true-and they can always pee there! I’m kidding, of course! Sure I am.

371 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:35:25pm

re: #367 BigPapa

“You never put the toilet seat down.”
“You never put the toilet seat up!”

And that’s when the fight started…

LOL!

372 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:36:40pm

re: #368 Oh no…Sand People!

When I see your nic, I’m reminded of the first time I saw Star Wars. Thanks for the memories!

373 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:37:53pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

And anybody - male or female - who doesn’t like the position of the toilet seat after entering a bathroom can change it. It’s a hinge, its operation is simplicity itself, and the damn things are virtually unbreakable. That’s one argument I will have only once if with a female companion.

Works like a door. Kind of like expecting to walk into your house without having to open the door thus demanding that the door remains open all the time to avoid walking into a closed door.

/

374 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:39:40pm

Well, everyone—night night. I am going OUT to see the orchestra saw away at some old favorites. It’s raining like hell, so no spike heels and diamond tiara.

375 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:40:07pm

re: #372 katemaclaren

When I see your nic, I’m reminded of the first time I saw Star Wars. Thanks for the memories!

My pleasure. Lucas still owes me a refund on the last 2 of 3 he pulled out… still won’t see the last one. It’s actually now one of my goals before I die… to not watch it.

376 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:40:30pm

re: #366 Guanxi88

Sounds like a neurotic with paraphiliac tendencies, that lady.

Once, years and years, ago, a friend of mine and I gave her a ride in his car. She bitched him out for having such a big Mercedes and polluting her air.

Needless to say, she walked home.

(No, not really, but if I had been the other guy I would have suggested it to her as an “alternative” lifestyle.)

377 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:41:10pm

re: #375 Oh no…Sand People!

Amen, brother!

378 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:42:01pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Once, years and years, ago, a friend of mine and I gave her a ride in his car. She bitched him out for having such a big Mercedes and polluting her air.

Needless to say, she walked home.

(No, not really, but if I had been the other guy I would have suggested it to her as an “alternative” lifestyle.)

Some folk just love making people miserable. Me, I’m a pretty rotten, miserable SOB a lot of the time, but I don’t go around inflicting it on others. That’s tacky.

379 esch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:42:09pm

gonna take the kids to WTWTA

later

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #375 Oh no…Sand People!

My pleasure. Lucas still owes me a refund on the last 2 of 3 he pulled out… still won’t see the last one. It’s actually now one of my goals before I die… to not watch it.

Good choice.

381 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #367 BigPapa

“You never put the toilet seat down.”
“You never put the toilet seat up!”

And that’s when the fight started…

And then she started in on the old “toilet paper - over or under?” debate…

And that’s when I lost my temper…

382 Gus  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:44:49pm

re: #381 Cato the Elder

And then she started in on the old “toilet paper - over or under?” debate…

And that’s when I lost my temper…

Shower curtain: inside the tub or outside the tub?

Humans.

/

383 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:45:42pm

re: #382 Gus 802

Shower curtain: inside the tub or outside the tub?

Humans.

/

What is this shower curtain you speak of?

384 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:46:37pm

Later all.

385 PT Barnum  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:06:06pm

re: #114 katemaclaren

Have you listened to Jackson lately? You can barely understand a word he says. It’s like he’s drunk, addle-brained, slurring his words…something odd.

Although his reading of Green Eggs and Ham will go down as comedy gold

386 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #385 PT Barnum

I have to give Jackson an upding on that one. I had tears.

387 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:16:46pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

I actually had a German woman whose husband was my buddy listen at the door once and chide me because she could hear that I stood up to pee. I told her I had a stricture and couldn’t manage it otherwise. She made the great gesture of permitting me an exception.

This was the same woman whose family all ran around in urine-gray “whites”, because she didn’t believe in bleach - for eco-reasons. She even commented on how white my shirts were. When I explained that I used Bleichmittel she told me I was an Umweltsau. Eco-pig.

Creepy. I haven’t stayed there since.

It’s a German thing, they were so politically irrelevant for so long that they politicized every aspect of personal life, from choice of laundry detergent to the type of shoes you wore.

They are getting over it now that they are taking their first baby steps on the world stage as a world-class industrial and political power.

388 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #386 BigPapa

He never really made it as the moral successor to martin Luther King, but he can deliver “Green Eggs and Ham” with the same cadences and conviction of his “I Have a Dream” speech…

389 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:23:24pm

re: #388 ralphieboy

He never really made it as the moral successor to martin Luther King, but he can deliver “Green Eggs and Ham” with the same cadences and conviction of his “I Have a Dream” speech…

That’s why it was so brilliant. And he didn’t start cracking up either.

390 Steffan  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:36:01pm

I have to admit, I don’t listen to Rush very often — when he is on, I’m usually at work.

Part of the time, I agree with him. The rest of the time, I wonder about the color of the sky on his planet.

I haven’t heard any blatant racism from him — like I said, I don’t listen all that often — but I know that he does hold Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in a very special kind of contempt. I thought it was due to their playing the race card over and over, but I could be wrong.

On this subject, the question is, I think, does his planet plan to conquer us (War of the Worlds), subjugate us (Mars Needs Women), or simply dupe us (To Serve Man)?

Enquiring minds want to know!!

391 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:54:36pm

There’s a Rushbo apologist on the tail end of the last thread, #627.

392 Mark the Hiker  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:52:25pm

I only hear Rush Limbaugh when I am in someone else’s car. I forget whether it was right after Obama’s election, or shortly before the inaugural, but Rush played a version of the theme from “The Jeffersons” made to sound like it was sung by The Chipmunks.

Apologies if this has been pointed out on another thread.

393 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:05:55pm

Irony of ironies…!
The only thing I can say is… “Karma”
“Karma”…!
“Karma”…!

Yes I said it…!
“Karma…!”

394 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:09:48pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

You were lucky soldier…!

395 oldegeezr  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #390 Steffan

I haven’t heard any blatant racism from him — like I said, I don’t listen all that often — but I know that he does hold Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in a very special kind of contempt

Keep listening…!

396 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:46:11pm

He’s still harping on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I’m fairly sure that nobody has paid much attention at all to either of them in the last 10-15 years.

397 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:49:06pm

OK Everyone -

Rush Limbaugh is NO ANGEL, His hearing impairment probably IS self-inflicted due to overuse of Prescription Pain Killers. Like it or not, he WAS a “Junkie” - as were people I have known with severe pain problems, one of whom I recently helped bury after law enforcement tightened up here in NJ - due to the efforts of former US Attorney Chris Christie.
I still ponder which is the greater good, pain relief or preventing the possibility of resale of a few pain medications to make a few bucks. I will vote for Chris Christie in November, and try to forget about the “Dr. Feelgood” prosecutions.
As for Rush - he went through detox and came out whole - something I cannot say about a lot of folks I have known - needless to say, his incentives were greater. He came back much as the BBC-TV did in 1945 - picking up the “cartoon” where it was when they were taken off the air - with the same “sorry for the interruption” attitude.
Bottom line is - Limbaugh knows who and what he is - “Victim” per se is not part of the litany. “Victim” is a condition supple and intelligent folks will work through and past given a chance. To quote Eleanor Roosevelt -
“No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent.” That is all.

-S-

398 jpkoch  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:19:02pm

“The team of investors dropped Rush Limbaugh for one reason and one reason only: his history of race-baiting comments had turned him from a rich asset to a rich liability”

And from a business perspective, this defamation of character and libel perhaps has cost Limbaugh anywhere from $30 to $100 million in potential income. Race baiting is a very subjective term, and the numerous quotes attributed to him by various individuals and organizations cannot simply be verified by public transcripts expose said individuals and organizations to libel (BTW, Wiki is not an official source, and they themselves are exposed to libel).

If Limbaugh so chooses he could sue in federal court Jackson, Sharpton, the Wa Post, etc.. for defamation. Personally, I would like someone to post with an official public transcript evidence of the quotes Limbaugh has been accused of giving. Exactly what race baiting did he indulge in?

I thought this site was above of indulging in the kind of hit and run accusations that others participate in. You don’t have to like Limbaugh, but it is quite another thing to make quotes up of things he said that not one person can verify. And if one remembers, his infamous quotes concerning McNabb had to do with the sports writers and not McNabb himself; even Salon in later years admitted Limbaugh was correct.

399 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #397 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

as for Rush - he went through detox and came out whole - something I cannot say about a lot of folks I have known - needless to say, his incentives were greater. He came back much as the BBC-TV did in 1945 - picking up the “cartoon” where it was when they were taken off the air - with the same “sorry for the interruption” attitude. Bottom line is - Limbaugh knows who and what he is - “Victim” per se is not part of the litany. “Victim” is a condition supple and intelligent folks will work through and past given a chance. To quote Eleanor Roosevelt -
“No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent.” That is all. -S-

You sound drunk.

400 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

It’s both.

I would say it starts as a choice and ends as an illness.

Like voting Republican.

Sometimes its not as much a choice as it is a temporary solution. Depression and abuse are large factors in drug use and the pain can be overwhelming, enough so that the only apparently viable solution is to run away. Running away is made easier by using drugs that help you forget.

401 Guile  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:22:39pm

If Rush was removed from the investment team for his “his history of race-baiting comments” why was he included in the first place? His “history” should supposedly have been there from the beginning. He wasn’t removed until he was railroaded by the media. It’s not about “how divisive” he is. It’s the fact that he’s a conservative.

402 eprn1n2  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:36:12pm

re: #64 Charles

So my belief in God is appalling and ignorant? I wouldn’t have thought that. What am I ignorant of? I’ve enjoyed your site for a number of years and read with interest those that disagree with creation. I have no problem with that. I believe in God and thus believe he is creator. How exactly it was done I cannot say. Of that I am truly ignorant. I’m sure natural law was involved. I don’t fear science but am wary of the many agenda driven scientists. I also don’t fear religion but am wary of the self serving religionists that ply their trade. It’s interesting being on the receiving end of criticism. I’m a professional lurker. It’s like putting your virtual hand into a virtual hornets nest and smacking it (virtual stick). Nothing really happens but it is slightly uncomfortable all the same. So here goes…SMACK

403 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #306 katemaclaren

…and even more erudition! Bravo!
I Like Camille. She’s salty and crusty and very frank. Sounds a bit like a hotdog, doesn’t it? But she’s no weiner. Whiner?

I do, too. And she’s had this to say about Rush Limbaugh, whom the Obama administration is once again trying to destroy:

Why have so many Democrats abandoned the hallowed principle of free speech? Limbaugh, like our own liberal culture hero Lenny Bruce, is a professional commentator who can be as rude and crude as he wants.

Yes, I cringe when Rush plays his “Barack the Magic Negro” satire or when he gratuitously racializes the debate over Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, who is a constant subject of withering scrutiny for quite different reasons on sports shows here in Philadelphia. On the other hand, I totally agree with Rush about “feminazis,” whose amoral tactics and myopic worldview I as a dissident feminist had to battle for decades. As a student of radio and a longtime listener of Rush’s show, I have gotten a wealth of pleasure and insight from him over the years. To attack Rush Limbaugh is to attack his audience — and to intensify the loyalty of his fan base.

And apparently the appreciation is mutual.

[excerpt from “The Limbaugh Letter” October, 1999 in which Rush interviews Paglia]

You’ve always been one of my favorite people — ever since I heard you say something I had never even thought of before, I guess about five or six years ago. You’re a professor of humanities at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, and as such, a commentator on art and culture — and somebody in an interview asked you if commentators have more validity than the artists themselves in determining the cultural effect of any artist’s work. You said, “Oh, by all means. The artist is not nearly as aware of what he or she is doing as those of us who study it.” I think the question actually had to do with Madonna at the time. But I think I know what you mean. They’re just doing their work. I don’t know how many of them are actually devoted to cultural or social change. Some of them may be, but you do a lot of interpretation of artists —
Paglia: Oh, yes —
Rush: — and what their work means to culture. And I wanted you to expand on that, because the interviewer then did not give you more than a couple of seconds to answer the question.
404 JPL17  Sat, Oct 17, 2009 8:22:56pm

re: #56 BigPapa

He does race bait and he’s been caught. To assert otherwise is ignorant and untenable.

Juan Williams disagrees with you. [Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…] So do I.

405 JEA62  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 9:48:32am

What kills me is how conservatives accuse libs of advocating a ‘victimhood’ mentality, then whine like Limbuahg about how they’re ‘victims’.

406 Perplexed  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 10:57:51am

A few weeks ago I asked which of the political commentators were on the approved list to listen to. I got the: are you asking for permission to listen to the radio and why are you asking us as responses. Funny thing was that no one (as far as I recall) mentioned anyone who was acceptable. Seek any commentator and you will find an occasional comment that pushes the limits. Should we stop listening to every commentator because of that? Probably not, though one should fact check what someone says before acting on it. What percentage of Malkin, Beck, Rush, Inghram, etc comments are wrong? Fifty percent? I seriously doubt it. I suspect that the ‘offensive’ comments are significantly less than five percent.

Taking Rush out of context isn’t fair and shows signs of intellectual dishonesty. Quote what he said before and after the target quote so as to get the full context. That shouldn’t be too hard to do.

I do wish everyone well though.

407 William of Orange  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 11:31:46am

Found this one telling. A quote from another forum.

Never understood why a free-marketeer like Rush would ever want to join what is essentially a Marxist-styled organization.

No-competition
Government endorsed/supported monoply
Public Image is tightly controlled
Resources shared
Everyone is equal, except those that are more equal than others

Nail, meet head.


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