Saturday Afternoon Music: Antoine Dufour and Tommy Gauthier, 'Mellow Deep Art'

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thank you!

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #1 freetoken

So, why did God create music?

Ans: so there would be material with which to use the MP3 file format.

No- it was so men could woo women. ;)

Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:51:38pm

re: #1 freetoken

So, why did God create music?

Ans: so there would be material with which to use the MP3 file format.

Nice selection of music for a Saturday afternoon.

God releases his music in FLAC

HelloDare Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:52:59pm

What's with the blue hanky? Is his guitar gay?

Kragar Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:53:04pm

Well, got everything base coated, waiting on some pieces to set and then I get to the fun stuff. Heading to the store, later lizards

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:54:13pm

re: #6 HelloDare

What's with the blue hanky? Is his guitar gay?

It muffles the strings above the nut to prevent false harmonics from cluttering up the tone.

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:55:51pm

Tommy was really great in this song. I liked the ending. He and Antoine have good chemistry.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:56:33pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

No- it was so men could woo women. ;)

Well... according to the "Ardi" scientists, that is why we walk upright!

Speaking of which, over at bloggingheads.tv they have a new diavlog up which mostly covers Ardi. The interlocutor is Razib Khan, who is ok I guess but is not Carl Zimmer (who flounced from Bloggingheads over the creationism flare-up). However, his guest is anthropologist Dr. John Hawks who is excellent and worth the listen:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

Recommend playback at 1.4x speed since both are slow speakers.

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #6 HelloDare

What's with the blue hanky? Is his guitar gay?

The guitar is a Crip!

Political Atheist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 1:58:27pm

re: #1 freetoken

So he could get a great laugh at my reaction to my Sound Card Dying just now?

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:01:50pm

re: #10 freetoken

Thanks. I have some things going on, but I stuck it in my favorites so I can watch it later. I'll let you know what I think after viewing.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

Hawks was not part of the Ardi team, so his take on the discovery is interesting since he is an informed (even an expert) outsider.

wrenchwench Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:03:24pm

re: #10 freetoken

(who flounced from Bloggingheads over the creationism flare-up)

It's not just a local phenomenon, then!

Izzy Dunne Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:03:28pm

Sheesh. Just when I was ready to pick up the guitar again after the Andy McKee set...

Randall Gross Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:04:43pm

Excellent selection, I don't care for violins very much but on occasion they are certainly called for, this song was one of those occasions.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:05:04pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

Oh no... in the egg-head/East-coast elite it made a splash of sorts, with both Zimmer and Sean Carroll (the physicist) flouncing off of bloggingheads, due to the appearance of Behe.

HelloDare Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:05:34pm

re: #8 Charles

Thanks.

simoom Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:06:23pm

Vanessa-Mae plays Toccata & Fugue by J.S. Bach:

Youtube Video

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:07:35pm

Why God made music:

MP3 Audio

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:08:44pm

I'm watching the 'Rush Limbaugh' search feed on Twitter, and man! The wingnuts are really full of rage.

I know - what else is new.

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:09:37pm

Philip Glass MP3 album -- FREE at Amazon:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:12:01pm

re: #23 Charles

Thanks!

I can't believe they give away such good music.

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:13:29pm

re: #21 freetoken

Why God made music:

[Video]

Oh, you didn't...

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:14:16pm

re: #25 austin_blue

I figured I could sneak it in on a Saturday afternoon thread when no one was looking...

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:14:42pm

Subtitled cat fight

Youtube Video

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:15:03pm

re: #26 freetoken

I figured I could sneak it in on a Saturday afternoon thread when no one was looking...

Ah!!! Earworm!!

flywheel Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:17:01pm

re: #21 freetoken

Why God made music:

Why God made humans... to make music.

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:17:05pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Subtitled cat fight

[Video]

Now *that's* comedy!

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:19:42pm

I see they are getting on with quite a conversation dowstairs, about urination...

Who would have thought that a thread about Rush Limbaugh would be a thread about urine?

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:24:27pm

re: #31 freetoken

I see they are getting on with quite a conversation dowstairs, about urination...

Who would have thought that a thread about Rush Limbaugh would be a thread about urine?

Freetoken lobs softball...

A_B laughs too hard to swing.

Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:26:47pm

re: #1 freetoken

So, why did God create music?

He must have. There's no transitional records or CD's.

Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #31 freetoken

I see they are getting on with quite a conversation dowstairs, about urination...

Easy for you to judge it bathroom humor. It's now turned into a fascinating debate about cross sexual engineering and capitalism driven macro economics, and Camille Paglia.

Hopefully nobody gets pissy and has a piss-flounce.

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:46:10pm

Uh-oh...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:47:17pm

While the regulars are pissing away the afternoon downstairs, I'll venture forth with the next chapter in the outrage against those nasty environmentalists:

Why climate change denial must be taken seriously

Fear and resentment are powerful controls, and the film is part of a movement to heighten both.

The film in question is Not Evil, Just Wrong, which will surely be playing at a revanchist website near you.

avanti Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:56:39pm

"A fully loaded Russian cargo plane, payload 1 million pounds ? This really raises the pucker factor...
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower who are Australian: Ya gotta love it.
"The Vodka Burner" as the Aussies call it, literally uses every inch of runway... "

Takeoff .

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:57:42pm

re: #33 BigPapa

He must have. There's no transitional records or CD's.

What about wax cylinders?

austin_blue Sat, Oct 17, 2009 2:58:09pm

re: #36 freetoken

While the regulars are pissing away the afternoon downstairs, I'll venture forth with the next chapter in the outrage against those nasty environmentalists:

Why climate change denial must be taken seriously

The film in question is Not Evil, Just Wrong, which will surely be playing at a revanchist website near you.

I understand their fear, but that's really short-sighted, isn't it?

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:02:16pm

re: #39 austin_blue

I understand their fear, but that's really short-sighted, isn't it?

That is the gordian knot of politics... how to get people to think of the larger picture when what matters to them most is their own day to day survival.

It is also why punditry is so easy compared to actual governance. Anyone can be a pundit, but to lead people into making choices that goes beyond the immediate now... that is the hard part, especially if we require that the direction towards which all are being led be a good one.

akarra Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:03:38pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Such a great pairing of the guitar and violin- great stuff. Thanks, Charles.

Yeah, I'm enjoying it too - I don't think I've heard guitar and violin paired like this before. The violin takes charge of the melody and gets flashy early on, but I think I like it best when it lingers over a note or phrase: it feels like the guitar emerges from the violin's tone.

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:04:07pm

Racist Stalker McCain takes another jab at LGF today. Like the Koskidz, it looks like they're claiming that the racist comments on Hot Air are planted.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Racist Stalker McCain takes another jab at LGF today. Like the Koskidz, it looks like they're claiming that the racist comments on Hot Air are planted.

What a surprise, I didn't see that coming at all. I thought they would stand up and be proud and what not. Obviously someone is conspiring. Which reminds me, I didn't get my check last week.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Racist Stalker McCain takes another jab at LGF today. Like the Koskidz, it looks like they're claiming that the racist comments on Hot Air are planted.

Oh - well, that totally explains why the stay up day after day after day, ignored by the moderators of the site while posts around them are occasionally removed.

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:06:53pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Racist Stalker McCain takes another jab at LGF today. Like the Koskidz, it looks like they're claiming that the racist comments on Hot Air are planted.

Hah! I love it. Yep, all planted. Every one of them.

Speaking of that, I've been kind of running around today -- have there been some more comments posted there by our sekrit spies?

I'll be putting together another 'Hot Air Comments of the Day' post in a little while.

Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:10:35pm

re: #45 Charles

Speaking of that, I've been kind of running around today -- have there been some more comments posted there by our sekrit spies?

Come to think of it it's been relatively quiet today, though some of use were expounding on toilet humor and macro economics.

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #45 Charles

There was some good stuff this morning but I haven't checked this afternoon.

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:12:45pm

I think Balloon Boy's dad is about to crack. He's showing real signs of strain.

If that whole thing wasn't a hoax I'll eat a dozen books by Coulter, Beck, et al.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

There was some good stuff this morning but I haven't checked this afternoon.

Kudos on being able to read that crap without getting a stroke, I know I wouldn't be able to. I spent five minutes there the other day and that's more than enough for me thank you very much.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:15:30pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

I think Balloon Boy's dad is about to crack. He's showing real signs of strain.

If that whole thing wasn't a hoax I'll eat a dozen books by Coulter, Beck, et al.

It would be more impressive to me if your dare just involved buying them. Eating them's just weird, but to pay money for that stuff...

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:15:31pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

I think Balloon Boy's dad is about to crack. He's showing real signs of strain.

If that whole thing wasn't a hoax I'll eat a dozen books by Coulter, Beck, et al.

I'm leaning more and more in that direction. I heard a report last night on local radio (so far unsubstantiated) that the parent's first call went to a local television station with a helicopter, and they only called 911 after that. And my wife raised the question: why were all three kids at home in early afternoon on a school day?

Lots of other unpleasant questions are piling up in addition. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's getting harder and harder.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #34 BigPapa

Easy for you to judge it bathroom humor. It's now turned into a fascinating debate about cross sexual engineering and capitalism driven macro economics, and Camille Paglia.

Hopefully nobody gets pissy and has a piss-flounce.

Nope, a friendly and erudite discussion of the mechanics of the modern flush commode and the engineering and economic challenges posed by variations in human waste excretion.

Ya know, Mao said...

///

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:21:13pm

OT
Hah! Joy! Sometime Monday afternoon I will be test driving a Tesla! (Yes, this is indeed worthy of no less than three exclamation marks.)

soxfan4life Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

I think Balloon Boy's dad is about to crack. He's showing real signs of strain.

If that whole thing wasn't a hoax I'll eat a dozen books by Coulter, Beck, et al.

How about 1 copy of Sarah Palin's book?

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:21:54pm

re: #53 enoughalready

OT
Hah! Joy! Sometime Monday afternoon I will be test driving a Tesla! (Yes, this is indeed worthy of no less than three exclamation marks.)

Here: !

have a fourth, from me, ya lucky so-and-so!

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:23:34pm

re: #51 SixDegrees

I'm leaning more and more in that direction. I heard a report last night on local radio (so far unsubstantiated) that the parent's first call went to a local television station with a helicopter, and they only called 911 after that. And my wife raised the question: why were all three kids at home in early afternoon on a school day?

Lots of other unpleasant questions are piling up in addition. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's getting harder and harder.

According to a friend of his, he wrote this in a proposal a while back:

Can we attract UFO's with a homemade flying saucer? We will modify a weather balloon, so that it resembles a UFO and will electrically charge the skin of the craft (Biefield-Brown Effect). We will capture the footage on film, and will utilize the media as a means with which to make our presence known to the masses. This will not only provide us with incredible footage, but will also generate a tremendous amount of controversy among the public, as well as publicity within the mainstream media. This will be the most significant UFO-related news event to take place since the Roswell Crash of 1947, and the result will be a dramatic increase in local and national awareness about The Heene Family, our Reality Series, as well as the UFO Phenomenon in general.

Note the Loony Capital Letter Phenomenon.

Also, Heene apparently believes in the Reptilian Alien theory. Shape-shifters and all that.

And his handyman business was in the toilet.

Desperate times Call for Desperate mEaSuReS.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:25:03pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

Nope, a friendly and erudite discussion of the mechanics of the modern flush commode and the engineering and economic challenges posed by variations in human waste excretion.

Ya know, Mao said...

///

And a very enlightening one as well. In an almost Confucian sense. Or maybe it was the other way around.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:25:17pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

That might also explain why the family video recorder just happened to be on, with the balloon centered in the field of view, prior to and during launch.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #54 soxfan4life

How about 1 copy of Sarah Palin's book?

Isn't that banned under the Geneva convention? Or at least classed as cruel and unusual punishment? No wait, that's reading it.

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #51 SixDegrees

[...] the parent's first call went to a local television station with a helicopter, and they only called 911 after that. [...]

Actually, they apparently called the teevee station, the FAA, and then 911. In that order.

Now who the fark calls the FAA when he's in a panic and then the police?

That was planned in advance.

This shit is a "real" as the twit who scratched a backwards "B" on her face and then claimed it was done by a black Obama supporter.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:29:10pm

By the way, on Monday a new collection of unpublished Kurt Vonnegut short stories, Look at the Birdie, will be released, featuring illustrations also by Vonnegut.

Kurt Vonnegut is unstuck in time.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:31:17pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Sounds like a very odd man, stuck in a very bad situation, with a head full of ideas, that are driving him insane, to quote Mr. Dylan.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #60 Cato the Elder

Actually, they apparently called the teevee station, the FAA, and then 911. In that order.

Now who the fark calls the FAA when he's in a panic and then the police?

That was planned in advance.

This shit is a "real" as the twit who scratched a backwards "B" on her face and then claimed it was done by a black Obama supporter.

This is the first corroboration of the calls to others before the police I've run across. Not that I've looked very hard. But if true, it drop-kicks this story straight into "hoax" territory, without question.

The police don't seem terribly pleased, either, although they're withholding accusation and charges until a more thorough investigation is completed.

Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:32:40pm

Youtube Video

Just because.

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:33:45pm

Eight hate mails so far today, most from St. Limbaugh's disciples.

Example:

We'll see how funny it is to parrot fabricated quotes when you're
writing that big fat check for both of your dollars to Rush Limbaugh. It
looks like your little lizard cult is crumbling.

Rush Limbaugh's going to sue me! The terror I feel is indescribable.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:35:18pm

If you are in Virginia, don't miss this Banned Books Week event:

[Link: www.henricolibrary.org...]

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:35:25pm

re: #63 SixDegrees

This is the first corroboration of the calls to others before the police I've run across. Not that I've looked very hard. But if true, it drop-kicks this story straight into "hoax" territory, without question.

The police don't seem terribly pleased, either, although they're withholding accusation and charges until a more thorough investigation is completed.

Yeah, they're letting him dangle and dig his own grave. He's already getting very testy with reporters.

Technically, what he did was a third-degree misdemeanor: providing false information to authorities. But the bill for partially shutting down Denver airport could be onerous.

On the other hand, this being America, he'll probably make money. For a while. Until the kids' shrink bills come due.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:36:22pm

Same ol' same ol' in the right-o-sphere, I gather from a quick look of Townhall:

Another Rush-is-a-victim essay... by none other than Diana West. Well, at least it isn't Islamic Mexican's doing Rush in!

Another climate change denial story... by Patrick Michaels, one of the most discredited shills of the denial-o-sphere.

Actually, there are two climate change denials on the front page... must be a hot item.

An Article by Bill O'. in which he starts out:

With apologies to Louis Armstrong, it is not a wonderful world any longer. Today, it's a strange and dangerous world where reason and humanity have largely been replaced by fanaticism and treachery.

Sorry Bill, but anybody who has read history will know that every day in human history is one filled with fanaticism and treachery.

What I believe (and have for a while): There is no credible intellectual "conservative" movement in American life today, that is reaching beyond some distant halls in academia or institutions. Even those who want to rethink "conservatism" (like Reihan Salam) are shunned by the vast majority of "conservatives". The "right" is suffering a great intellectual vacuum, and I suspect that will not change any time soon.

Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:37:04pm

re: #63 SixDegrees

This is the first corroboration of the calls to others before the police I've run across. Not that I've looked very hard. But if true, it drop-kicks this story straight into "hoax" territory, without question.

The police don't seem terribly pleased, either, although they're withholding accusation and charges until a more thorough investigation is completed.

It is logical though.

First call to someone with a helicopter in the air.
Second call to the FAA which regulates the airspace.
Last call to the grounded police.

However, my money is definitely on hoax at the present.

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:40:29pm

Afternoon lizards.

A customer of mine gave me a beer today. It's a German beer called Edelstoff. I can't wait to crack it open tonight.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:40:35pm

Correction, there are three articles on AGW on the front page of Townhall... I just didn't recognize one because the title in ambiguous and entitled "Living in Fear"... and it is, as I expected in an earlier post, a pimping of the movie "Not Evil, Just Wrong." Expect that movie to get big play among the the right-o-sphere.

Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:41:21pm

re: #69 Bagua

It is logical though.

First call to someone with a helicopter in the air.
Second call to the FAA which regulates the airspace.
Last call to the grounded police.

However, my money is definitely on hoax at the present.

Yes, it's logical. If you've thought about it for maybe half an hour.

A parent who thinks his kid has just gone off in a balloon by himself is incapable of that kind of logic.

But it's logical if you want to get the greatest amount of teevee coverage in the least amount of time, and you've planned it in advance.

And on another front: What six-year-old do you know who could stay hidden for five or six hours in a garage attic, with no food, toilet, or toys, while his mommy sobs his name - unless he was strictly coached to do so?

This is so a hoax can't even get anyone on FB to bet against me.

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:44:37pm

re: #49 enoughalready

Kudos on being able to read that crap without getting a stroke, I know I wouldn't be able to. I spent five minutes there the other day and that's more than enough for me thank you very much.

I spent years reading the antisemitic crap posted at Dkos. I'm pretty used to it.

mich-again Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #63 SixDegrees

From the videos, its clearly obvious the balloon was empty. There's no way it could possibly fly that fast (at the same speed as the wind) if there was a 60 pound kid on board. To even look at it and think there is a possibility there is a kid on board seems laughable to me.

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #68 freetoken

What I believe (and have for a while): There is no credible intellectual "conservative" movement in American life today, that is reaching beyond some distant halls in academia or institutions. Even those who want to rethink "conservatism" (like Reihan Salam) are shunned by the vast majority of "conservatives". The "right" is suffering a great intellectual vacuum, and I suspect that will not change any time soon.

+all I have and then some

The intellectual vacuum needs to be filled, the anti-intellectualism needs to be faced and removed. I think this is everyone's responsibility and Charles is certainly doing his part.

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:46:33pm

re: #66 enoughalready

OT

If you are in Virginia, don't miss this Banned Books Week event:

[Link: www.henricolibrary.org...]

Here is another great place to visit if you ever get to Virginia.

Green Valley Book Fair

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:47:35pm

Warren Zevon sez...

Youtube Video

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:48:22pm

Frank Tipler at Pajamas Media? A creationist religious fanatic? How low will PJ Media go?

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #74 mich-again

From the videos, its clearly obvious the balloon was empty. There's no way it could possibly fly that fast (at the same speed as the wind) if there was a 60 pound kid on board. To even look at it and think there is a possibility there is a kid on board seems laughable to me.

Once I saw a picture of the balloon with people next to it for scale, it was obviously way too small to lift a child, or even a cat. What's odd is that dad, the meteorologist who designed and built the thing, didn't inform authorities that there was no way it posed the danger everyone was shrieking about. Why didn't he pin the officer in charge to the wall and tell him to call off the balloon chase, and focus on the neighborhood, since his son couldn't possibly be in the air. It seems inconceivable to me that he wasn't aware of this fact.

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:49:01pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I saw him in Charlottesville at a bar back in '91. What a great night.

Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:49:14pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

Yes, it's logical. If you've thought about it for maybe half an hour.
[...]

You see Cato, that is why you'll never be a great detective like me, It's so obvious, that it can not possibly be a trap! - Inspector Couseau

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:50:36pm

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

I think the guitar player is Hiram Bullock. I knew he played with the old Letterman Band but I didn't know he was on SNL.

Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:51:10pm

re: #79 SixDegrees

The Police Chief said they called someone at university IIRC who told them the balloon could lift 80lb and the boy was 37lb.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:51:32pm

re: #78 Charles

He's written several essays for them. From what I gather, he is Simon's token "scientist".

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:51:59pm

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

He wrote this one shortly before he died...
Keep Me In Your Heart

Youtube Video

Always gets to me.

mich-again Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:56:19pm

re: #79 SixDegrees

Once I saw a picture of the balloon with people next to it for scale, it was obviously way too small to lift a child, or even a cat. What's odd is that dad, the meteorologist who designed and built the thing, didn't inform authorities that there was no way it posed the danger everyone was shrieking about. Why didn't he pin the officer in charge to the wall and tell him to call off the balloon chase, and focus on the neighborhood, since his son couldn't possibly be in the air. It seems inconceivable to me that he wasn't aware of this fact.

Listening to the news anchors follow the story while it happened its obvious they have no clue. The balloon wasn't even fully inflated. It couldn't even lift a bucket of chicken. And they were all theorizing about speed and altitude and how the rescue mission will go. It shouldn't be funny, but these people are so dumb I can't help.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #83 Bagua

The Police Chief said they called someone at university IIRC who told them the balloon could lift 80lb and the boy was 37lb.

I saw that. I believe the police were given bad information. There's no way a balloon that size could get a kid off the ground.

The Mythbusters show has done several segments involving lifting a person with helium in various containers. In one, they tried to get a (four year old?) girl off the ground with a cluster of large-size party balloons, like you see at fairs.

It took over eight thousand of them to get her just barely off the ground. The cluster was enormous; it nearly filled the airplane hangar they were using.

The same has been true on other segments. The amount of helium needed to get even a small amount of weight off the ground is enormous.

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #83 Bagua

The Police Chief said they called someone at university IIRC who told them the balloon could lift 80lb and the boy was 37lb.

Looks like a friggin circus over there.

Report: Ex-Colleague of 'Balloon Boy' Father Says Incident Was Not An Accident

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:58:00pm

re: #86 mich-again

Listening to the news anchors follow the story while it happened its obvious they have no clue. The balloon wasn't even fully inflated. It couldn't even lift a bucket of chicken. And they were all theorizing about speed and altitude and how the rescue mission will go. It shouldn't be funny, but these people are so dumb I can't help.

Yes, the media are a bunch of total morons. Would it hurt very much to hire just one person per network with a bachelor's in physics to do sanity checking on stories like this?

mich-again Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:02:36pm

re: #83 Bagua

The Police Chief said they called someone at university IIRC who told them the balloon could lift 80lb and the boy was 37lb.

The balloon was maybe half inflated, and there was no sign at all of any concentrated weight pulling the balloon down.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like a friggin circus over there.

Report: Ex-Colleague of 'Balloon Boy' Father Says Incident Was Not An Accident

Well, so far the person making this claim is remaining anonymous. I'll be interested to hear what he has to say and have a look at whatever his evidence may consist of when he's ready to present it, but until he comes forward I'll withhold judgment.

A disturbing portion of the story, which I also hadn't heard, is that the kid involved has gotten physically ill when asked about why he hid in the first place, following the family's first televised interview. Sounds like whatever is going on, that kid is fucked up and needs medical attention - and probably a long break from stress.

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Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:05:47pm

re: #90 mich-again

The balloon was maybe half inflated, and there was no sign at all of any concentrated weight pulling the balloon down.

Yes, I saw that too, the way it floated about showed little payload.

As I say, it's probably about 99% hoax at this time. Though unusual things do happen when stupid people tinker with machines and aviation.

mich-again Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:06:47pm

re: #87 SixDegrees

It took over eight thousand of them to get her just barely off the ground. The cluster was enormous; it nearly filled the airplane hangar they were using.

Back when the kids were smaller I used to like to take a party balloon off the table at Chuck E Cheese and see how big of a piece of pizza crust I could attach to the string so the balloon would just hover across the room with the hanging piece of crust.

Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:08:42pm

re: #92 Otto Gass

au revoir

enoughalready Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:09:14pm

That was short and sweet. Well maybe not sweet.

SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:09:15pm

re: #94 mich-again

Back when the kids were smaller I used to like to take a party balloon off the table at Chuck E Cheese and see how big of a piece of pizza crust I could attach to the string so the balloon would just hover across the room with the hanging piece of crust.

SCIENCE!

reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:09:26pm

re: #94 mich-again

Back when the kids were smaller I used to like to take a party balloon off the table at Chuck E Cheese and see how big of a piece of pizza crust I could attach to the string so the balloon would just hover across the room with the hanging piece of crust.

When I was growing up, my grandparents lived in New Orleans, and they rented the front half of the bottom floor of their house to a dentist (for his office).

The guy was crazy. But tons of fun, every time we'd visit he'd fill balloons and tie some weird stuff to the bottom and let 'em float on up and out. We loved it.

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:10:13pm

A news item unlikely to be promoted at Townhall or by Rush Limbaugh:

September 2009 was the second warmest September on record.

The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September 2009 was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th Century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F). This was the second warmest September on record, behind 2005, and the 33rd consecutive September with a global temperature above the 20th Century average. The last below-average September occurred in 1976.

2009 has turned out to be a very warm year.

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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:11:59pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

When I was growing up, my grandparents lived in New Orleans, and they rented the front half of the bottom floor of their house to a dentist (for his office).

The guy was crazy. But tons of fun, every time we'd visit he'd fill balloons and tie some weird stuff to the bottom and let 'em float on up and out. We loved it.

Knew a physics teacher who used to fill balloons with powdered magnesium and then inflate 'em with hydrogen. Soaked the strings in potassium nitrate, dried, and then lit and sent skyward. Beautiful at night. Esp. if the strings were long enough to get some altitude. Loved that crazy guy.

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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:14:09pm

re: #100 Guanxi88

Knew a physics teacher who used to fill balloons with powdered magnesium and then inflate 'em with hydrogen. Soaked the strings in potassium nitrate, dried, and then lit and sent skyward. Beautiful at night. Esp. if the strings were long enough to get some altitude. Loved that crazy guy.

Sadly, he'd be arrested for doing that nowadays.

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Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:14:54pm

The flounce was in the I'm confused and it's doing me head in head category.

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:18:27pm

Korea: There Is Great Fear Upon The Land

October 17, 2009: North Korea has failed to cope with the food shortage situation over the Summer. The solution was supposed to be the "150 Day Battle" program, that put hundreds of thousands of urban people on the farms, in a vain attempt to save the harvest. It failed. Factories and construction projects are still stalled because of a lack of components, raw materials or building materials. So the government has declared a "100 Day Battle," and told the urban "volunteers" to just stay on the farms (where they can more effectively scrounge for food, and not disturb the people remaining in the cities, with the sight of more starving people.) However, farmers provide little food for these "volunteers". These two "battles" are also an attempt to cripple the markets, which became legal in the last decade, but are but are now feared by the leadership because the system has produced millions of wealthier and more savvy citizens who are seen as a threat to communist rule. Overall, the "battles" annoyed most people, and were counterproductive.

Both China and North Korea fear American influence and power, and independent minded people who have become wealthier because of market economies. But the Chinese also make no secret of their fear of a collapse of the North Korean government, and subsequent chaos. With the North Korean economy continuing to crumble, the Chinese doubt the ability of the North Korean government to keep things under control.

Welcome to communism utopia.

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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:19:27pm

re: #78 Charles

Frank Tipler at Pajamas Media? A creationist religious fanatic? How low will PJ Media go?

Wow - didn't know he was also a creationist. I knew he is a follower of the 'omega point' 'theories' of crackpot priest Teilhard De Chardin, though, and an advocate of 'Resurrection Science' (quantum Jesus is coming via the singularity at the end of time - look busy!)

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:20:05pm

On the weather front, Hurricane Rick has reached Cat 5:

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

It is expected to turn towards Mexico.

Beautiful annular shape to the storm:

[Link: www.ssd.noaa.gov...]

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Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:21:59pm

re: #105 freetoken

On the weather front, Hurricane Rick has reached Cat 5:

Better go tie down the weather balloons!

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:22:29pm

re: #104 Jimmah

Tipler is a hit man who, when the ID folk were failing to get their ideologies accepted into scientific publications, wrote an article whose purpose was to undermine the entire peer-review process. This predates Stein's movie by quite a bit, and indeed Ben Stein's movie can be seen as being derivative of Tipler's work in this respect.

Tipler has also worked with Dembski in arranging support for ID.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:23:32pm

Interesting... I'll see your Yeats & raise you an Auden...

William
---
SEPTEMBER 1, 1939
by W.H. Auden

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
'I will be true to the wife,
I'll concentrate more on my work,'
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the dead,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

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swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:30:59pm

Junkman's Obbligato (By Ferlinghetti)

Let's go
Come on
Let's go
Empty out our pockets
and disappear.
Missing all our appointments
and turning up unshaven
years later
old cigarette papers
stuck to our pants
leaves in our hair.
Let us not
worry about the payments
anymore.
Let them come
and take it away
whatever it was
And us with it.
Let us arise and go now

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:34:03pm

Exclusive: I Helped Richard Heene Plan a Balloon Hoax

For the first time, 25-year-old researcher Robert Thomas reveals to Gawker how earlier this year he and Richard Heene drew up a master plan to generate a massive media controversy using a weather balloon. To get famous, of course.

Thomas spent several months earlier this year working on developing a reality science TV show to pitch to networks - the "show," Thomas says, that Falcon was referring to when he told CNN "We did it for the show." Among the ideas that Heene, Thomas and two others came up with for their reality TV proposal — and one that he says most intrigued Heene — involved a weather balloon modified to look like a UFO which they would launch in an attempt to drum up media interest in both the Heene family and the series he was desperate to get on the air. Still, Thomas never imagined that Heene would involve his six-year-old son in what he is certain was a "global media hoax" to further Richard Heene's own celebrity. Thomas' story of his time with Heene, based on an interview with Ryan Tate, follows below. It's a fascinating account and after he publicly offered to sell his story, we paid him for it.

(snip)

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Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:38:33pm

Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches

The idea of witchcraft is hardly new, but it has taken on new life recently partly because of a rapid growth in evangelical Christianity. Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:39:14pm

Just was pondering the whole balloon thing. While I don't trust someone who was running around looking for a tale buyer, it does give me a thought - what if there was a hoax being planned, but what happened wasn't it?

It fails the razor test to be sure, but it would make an interesting TV episode.

William

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:40:25pm

Racist and VDARE staple James Fulford is celebrating that PJM has dropped the "hate" clause from PJM's commenting guidelines (it's a new post this afternoon and no cache in google that I can find, so I won't link to it.)

What can I say... but that PJM should now be proud of itself?

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:41:49pm

Bear Run! black bear wanders into US grocery store, chills out in beer cooler

HAYWARD, Wis. - Shoppers in a Wisconsin grocery store got an unexpected surprise when a 125-pound (58-kilogram) black bear wandered inside and headed straight for the beer cooler.

The bear stopped Friday night at Marketplace Foods in Hayward, about 140 miles (225 kilometres) northeast of Minneapolis, sauntering through the automatic doors and heading straight for the liquor department, WEAU-TV reported.

It calmly climbed up 12 feet (3.7 metres) onto a shelf in the beer cooler where it sat for about an hour while employees helped evacuate customers and summoned wildlife officials.

Officials from the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources tranquilized the animal and took it out of the store. Store workers say the bear seemed content in the cooler and did not consume any alcohol.

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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:43:03pm

May I share a little bit of Australian Jazz...

Vince Jones - Blue 1984

Charles, I very much enjoyed your video with Stanely Clarke from Montreaux, was that mixolydian? I cant keep my modes distinguished...

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bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:43:51pm

re: #115 ozbloke

Same here...what a band that was!!!

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:44:04pm

re: #113 freetoken

Racist and VDARE staple James Fulford is celebrating that PJM has dropped the "hate" clause from PJM's commenting guidelines (it's a new post this afternoon and no cache in google that I can find, so I won't link to it.)

What can I say... but that PJM should now be proud of itself?

Ugh.

118

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:44:55pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Shows you the kind of readers and commenters that PJM is attracting these days.

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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:46:19pm

re: #115 ozbloke

May I share a little bit of Australian Jazz...

Vince Jones - Blue 1984

Charles, I very much enjoyed your video with Stanely Clarke from Montreaux, was that mixolydian? I cant keep my modes distinguished...

Hmmm.. Anyone have a link to howto embed an mp3 at LGF?

Cheers

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:46:28pm

re: #111 Conservative Moonbat

Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches

My God. Those poor kids.

121

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:46:40pm

re: #113 freetoken

Racist and VDARE staple James Fulford is celebrating that PJM has dropped the "hate" clause from PJM's commenting guidelines (it's a new post this afternoon and no cache in google that I can find, so I won't link to it.)

What can I say... but that PJM should now be proud of itself?

Well, that speaks volumes. Now they're inviting the hate in. I can't express how glad I am that I got away from that crew before it descended to this level.

122

Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:47:37pm

re: #116 bratwurst

Same here...what a band that was!!!

Yes, I have seen Vince live many times, heck of a nice guy.

I do prefer his earlier stuff though...

123

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Bear Run! black bear wanders into US grocery store, chills out in beer cooler

"Store workers say the bear seemed content in the cooler, and did not consume any alcohol."

Maybe it was a Baptist bear.

Look, air conditioning is a big deal. Especially if you have fur.

124

Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:47:45pm

re: #107 freetoken

Tipler is a hit man who, when the ID folk were failing to get their ideologies accepted into scientific publications, wrote an article whose purpose was to undermine the entire peer-review process. This predates Stein's movie by quite a bit, and indeed Ben Stein's movie can be seen as being derivative of Tipler's work in this respect.

Tipler has also worked with Dembski in arranging support for ID.

Doesn't surprise me now that I think about it. If he is going to be that pseudoscientific and religiously motivated about the end of time, might as well go the whole hog with the origins too.

125

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:47:59pm

re: #118 freetoken

Can you post a quote? I can't find the statement.

126

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:48:22pm

Here is some interesting geek news.

'Moby-Dick' to be rewritten in emoticons

Call me astonished.

But Fred Berenson, a clearly fascinating research associate at New York University, has managed to gain sufficient funding to attempt a project that I feel sure none of you has contemplated.

For Berenson has decided to rewrite a veritable whale of a book, "Moby-Dick," entirely in emoticons.

This enterprising cove used Kickstarter to impress those who might have money to drown in such an eccentric quest.

He describes, with quite fetching enthusiasm, how he intends to turn all 6,438 sentences of the great Herman Melville opus into Japanese Emoji, rather picturesque emoticons that are on most handsets in Japan.

Helpfully, Berenson reminds those interested that you can hack your iPhone in America in order to obtain these rather cutesome works of art.

The largest portion of the raised funds will go to pay for the translation. Berenson will be using Amazon's Mechanical Turk to get three different translations of every sentence. These translations will then be put to a vote, the winning sentence being included in the magnum opus.

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Gus Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:48:50pm

re: #113 freetoken

Racist and VDARE staple James Fulford is celebrating that PJM has dropped the "hate" clause from PJM's commenting guidelines (it's a new post this afternoon and no cache in google that I can find, so I won't link to it.)

What can I say... but that PJM should now be proud of itself?

Found it.

16 October 2009
Encouraging Sign Of The Times
[James Fulford] @ 6:30 pm [Email author] [Email this article] [Print this article] [Print this article]

This from the comments section boilerplate of a Pajamas Media post:

Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following guidelines:

1. Avoid profanities or foul language unless it is contained in a necessary quote or is relevant to the comment.

2. Stay on topic.

3. Disagree, but avoid ad hominem attacks.

4. Threats are treated seriously and reported to law enforcement.

5. Spam and advertising are not permitted in the comments area.

The clause regarding “hate speech” has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined. We agreed.

Since the actual definition of hate speech is the same as Peter Brimelow’s new definition of racist–“anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal”--enforcing a no hate speech policy in a comments section would lead to automatic victory for the liberal side in all arguments. This is why they do it.

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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:48:52pm

re: #116 bratwurst

Same here...what a band that was!!!

Doh...

You were talking about Charles not Vince, we are a bit slow in Oz...

129

bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:49:15pm

re: #128 ozbloke

:-)

No worries, mate.

130

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:49:31pm

re: #118 freetoken

Ah just found it.

131

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:49:50pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

My God. Those poor kids.

I know. I posted the same story in the spinoffs. It's hard to read.

132

Kragar Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:50:28pm

And I'm back, with 36 units of infantry and 1 tank to paint. To the task at hand.

133

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:50:30pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

:facepalm:

134

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:50:47pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

"Store workers say the bear seemed content in the cooler, and did not consume any alcohol."

Maybe it was a Baptist bear.

Look, air conditioning is a big deal. Especially if you have fur.

Posted that without even thinking of the old joke--'please Lord, let this bear be a Christian'.

135

swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:51:13pm

re: #113 freetoken

I thought you might be exaggerating;
Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following guidelines:
1. Avoid profanities or foul language unless it is contained in a necessary quote or is relevant to the comment.
2. Stay on topic.
3. Disagree, but avoid ad hominem attacks.
4. Threats are treated seriously and reported to law enforcement.
5. Spam and advertising are not permitted in the comments area.
The clause regarding "hate speech" has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined. We agreed.
These guidelines are very general and cannot cover every possible situation. Please don't assume that Pajamas Media management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment. We reserve the right to filter or delete comments or to deny posting privileges entirely at our discretion. If you feel your comment was filtered inappropriately, please email us at story@pajamasmedia.com.

Can't make stuff like this up.
Spam is bad, but who knows what hate sppech is?

I do. It's like porn; I know it when I see it.

136

reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:51:50pm

re: #111 Conservative Moonbat

Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches

OMG.
How awful!
Did you check those photos?
Those poor poor children.

137

bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:51:58pm

Charles:

As long as we are talking music, would you indulge me a bit?

1) What did you do with Jaco and what was your opinion of him?

2) Did you ever cross paths with Ponty? If so, was he really as big a dickhead as Zappa seemed to think?

138

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:52:19pm

The clause regarding “hate speech” has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined. We agreed.

Wow, they're really trying to claim "racism" has lost any meaning. The right did the same thing with Liberal Fascism. Even though they convinced themselves that they could change the language the rest of the world continues on with the traditional meaning of fascism. Good luck with that.

139

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:52:47pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

It's the VDARE blog entry "Encouraging Sign Of The Times"

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swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:53:35pm

re: #137 bratwurst

Asking for "rehearse and tell"?
Seems to be in bad taste, no?

141

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:54:33pm

Is it just me or does that anger management guy with the piercing blue eyes on the upper right just freak you out too? I can't look at him too long or I'll get hypnotized!

142

bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #140 swamprat

Eh, maybe so.

143

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:55:28pm

re: #141 Irenicum

That, and I have this delicious urge to punch him out!

144

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:55:40pm

re: #141 Irenicum

The only guy I see in the "upper right" is Hugh Downs... who doesn't strike me as being particularly scary.

145

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:55:50pm

Prayer list request: The daughter of a friend of a friend (got that?) has the H1N1 virus. She's a young girl with a compromised immune system, and has been hospitalized. Prayers, tehillim, white light, and good thoughts are all gratefully accepted. The child's name is Sophie.

146

swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:56:14pm

re: #135 swamprat

"we agree"

no comment

147

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:56:20pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Definitely!

148

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:57:37pm

Auschwitz launches Facebook site

The Polish authorities in charge of Auschwitz have launched an official site for the former Nazi death camp on the social networking website Facebook.

A spokesman said the move was aimed at reaching the younger generation and educating them about the Holocaust.

It follows the launch by Auschwitz - now a state museum - of a YouTube channel earlier this year.

More than a million people - 90% of them Jews - were murdered by the Nazis at Auschwitz during World War II.

"We're always trying for new ways of reaching people, and in today's world one of the most popular tools is the internet, and on the internet millions of people use Facebook," said Auschwitz Museum official Pawel Sawicki.

More than a million people have visited Auschwitz so far this year, the majority of them young people.

"If our mission is to educate the younger generation to be responsible in the contemporary world, what better tool can we use to reach them than the tools they use themselves?" said Mr Sawicki.

What a great idea.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:58:05pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Prayer list request: The daughter of a friend of a friend (got that?) has the H1N1 virus. She's a young girl with a compromised immune system, and has been hospitalized. Prayers, tehillim, white light, and good thoughts are all gratefully accepted. The child's name is Sophie.

Done.

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Kragar Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:58:23pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Auschwitz launches Facebook site

What a great idea.

Hopefully its well moderated.

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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:58:40pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Prayer list request: The daughter of a friend of a friend (got that?) has the H1N1 virus. She's a young girl with a compromised immune system, and has been hospitalized. Prayers, tehillim, white light, and good thoughts are all gratefully accepted. The child's name is Sophie.

Got it..Thanks
Sunday morning 10am is when the Lizard prayer list gets posted..

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Noam Sayin' Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:58:43pm

Sad to think that this is one of two videos left behind by such a talented group; The Wallets.

Youtube Video

They should have release Body Talk as their first single.

Oh, hey. I'm Noam. I understand there's been an influx of newbies, and an out-flux of many I knew.

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insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:59:21pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will Ahmadinejad accept the friend request?

154

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:59:31pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

Just thinking of what the emoticons would be for the title alone is enough to generate a big smirk for me!

155

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

Got it..Thanks
Sunday morning 10am is when the Lizard prayer list gets posted..

Thanks.

156

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #144 freetoken

I think each lizard must get personalized ads. What does that say about me?

157

insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:03:02pm

Mike Huckabee talking about Rush on Fox News now.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:03:06pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hopefully its well moderated.

Here is the Auschwitz Facebook page.

It's very moving.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:03:53pm

re: #156 Irenicum

I think each lizard must get personalized ads. What does that say about me?

Dunno. Currently they're offering me whiter teeth, cleaner arteries, and an MA in Diplomacy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:04:14pm

re: #157 insanity police

Mike Huckabee talking about Rush on Fox News now.

Is he for or against?

161

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:04:25pm

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks for the link. Definitely worthwhile, esp. nowadays.

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swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:04:37pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

hmm

163

insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:04:46pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Is he for or against?

Totally in the Rush camp. Mike H. says Rush should SUE!!!

164

bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:04:53pm

re: #157 insanity police

How was his career wrecked (as Huck says)?

165

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:05:40pm

re: #161 Irenicum

Thanks for the link. Definitely worthwhile, esp. nowadays.

You said it. I wonder if Charles could make a thread about this?

166

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:05:42pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Boy, you'll be rarin' to go!

167

insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:06:18pm

re: #164 bratwurst

How was his career wrecked (as Huck says)?

Mike on Rush: "Even if what he was accused of saying was true...he shouldn't have been disinvited as an investor..."

Yuck. Way to defend the indefensible Mikey.

168

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:06:25pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

That's a wonderful idea!

169

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:06:36pm

Turkey Points to Israel to Deflect Criticism

170

A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:07:10pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. Currently they're offering me whiter teeth, cleaner arteries, and an MA in Diplomacy.

I'm watching Bama Football on the Big Screen...
They keep showing College girls in Bear Bryant hounds tooth hats..
I've never thought this before in my life..But dang those hats are sexy...
*wink*

171

Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:08:02pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Auschwitz launches Facebook site

What a great idea.

I don't think they are going to get the audience of "friends" they are hoping for, not that I know how facebook works.

172

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:08:40pm

I've been trying to get my mind around whatever relationships exist, or are developing, that could explain the recent push in AGW-denier talking points all over the place.

Certainly with the coming Copenhagen conference in December the reason for the timing is clear, but I'm wondering what the driving force is for people and websites not normally concerned with the topics (energy, environment) to be so into the issue.

For a while I thought is was just anti-Gore sentiment... and certainly Al has made a legion of enemies... but the recent blather is less and less anti-Gore and more and more (and I've overused this term today but I've got no other for now) revanchism.

That is why the premiering movie Not Evil, Just Wrong will have such potency. Those mean and elitist environmentalists are out to do in the hard working people of this country! Or so it is claimed.

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bratwurst Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:08:55pm

Now Huck is getting into the AGW bunk.

174

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:09:43pm

For Hoops- 8 Mile

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:10:06pm

re: #171 Conservative Moonbat

I don't think they are going to get the audience of "friends" they are hoping for, not that I know how facebook works.

Here is the website. Look for yourself. They did a great job.

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:10:26pm

re: #173 bratwurst

It's not new for him... but as I just mentioned, it will be very timely for the coming months, with Cap and Trade hitting the Senate hard next month and then in December with the Copenhagen meeting.

IOW, Huck is good with his timing.

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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:10:49pm

re: #174 Sharmuta

For Hoops- 8 Mile

Sweet! I love that part!
Thanks

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ryannon Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:11:45pm

re: #102 Bagua

The flounce was in the I'm confused and it's doing me head in head category.

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Luap Nor.

Where's my Krugerrand?

179

Sharmuta Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:12:10pm

re: #177 HoosierHoops

{Hoops}. I love that part too.

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swamprat Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:13:37pm

re: #167 insanity police

Mike on Rush: "Even if what he was accused of saying was true...he shouldn't have been disinvited as an investor..."

Yuck. Way to defend the indefensible Mikey.

Alrighty then.
He should sue. But what he is accused of should not be considered bad enough to stop him from buying a football team, but it was bad enough to "wreck his career?

Can anybody follow this chain of logic? I got lost at the last turn.

181

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:14:11pm

re: #168 Irenicum

That's a wonderful idea!

Looks like it's working already. Here is a comment from the train pictures.

Wilma Reyes
Wow...I just can't stop learning about this!!!
Yesterday at 9:30pm

182

Gus Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:14:44pm

Back when PJM posted articles linking to the Huffington Post.

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insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:14:56pm

re: #180 swamprat

No logic required. None allowed either.

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:15:39pm

Sure enough... the latest on the bandwagon is... good o'l Pat Buchanan! Buchanan's latest piece is on AGW and the Copenhagen summit.

Won't link to it, but on Buchanan's site it is called "Global Warming And The Second Battle of Copenhagen". As expected, it is rife with discredited denier talking points (but heh, when has that ever stopped a pundit?) It's an essay of pure anti-scientific clap trap, though he tries to snow his audience by mentioning names of "scientists" who doubt AGW. Too bad for his audience who don't know that the names mentioned are just the usual discredited claims.

185

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the website. Look for yourself. They did a great job.

You join as a fan (which I just did), and I believe they have control over whether you can post comments or not. They can also delete any comments. I assume it's just going to be an announcement account-they can keep people up to date on things they're doing or promoting.

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insanity police Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #174 Sharmuta

For Hoops- 8 Mile

My favorite song from the movie.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:17:13pm

re: #184 freetoken

The rest of the right wing blogs are claiming that Obama's going to use it as an excuse to sign away American sovereignty at the summit.

188

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:18:17pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Yup, that is Buchanan's main point. That evil UN is going to take over America.

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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:18:22pm

re: #179 Sharmuta

{Hoops}. I love that part too.

Did you ever see Hustle and Flow? Loved that movie..About a coming of age in the Getto story..Kid makes it in the Music industry from being a pimp.
The Lead Song won an Oscar for best song of the year..
I was in Silly Cone Valley one evening in a Hotel and turned on the TV and there was Bill O'Reilly freaking out...How could a song called 'it's hard out here for a pimp' Win an Oscar? The shame! What about the Children?
You just gotta laugh at these clowns...

190

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:18:41pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

You join as a fan (which I just did), and I believe they have control over whether you can post comments or not. They can also delete any comments. I assume it's just going to be an announcement account-they can keep people up to date on things they're doing or promoting.

It's also for the young to surf through and learn about the atrocities that happened there. I fear that very few schools are teaching the Holocaust today.

191

Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:18:49pm

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the website. Look for yourself. They did a great job.

I'm just afraid they are going to get a lot of neo nazi types linking to them..

I'm not on facebook and don't really know how it works. I've got like a five year lag on social networking technologies. I'm just now settling into LiveJournal. I figure I'll get a MySpace page in a couple more years and then move on to FB and Twitter in five years or so.

192

KingKenrod Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:19:38pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

The rest of the right wing blogs are claiming that Obama's going to use it as an excuse to sign away American sovereignty at the summit.

They said the same thing about Bush and the North American Union. It's always the same one note tune with these losers, never mind the facts.

193

BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:20:55pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

The rest of the right wing blogs are claiming that Obama's going to use it as an excuse to sign away American sovereignty at the summit.

I saw a crazy rightwinger who claims that signing it DOES sign away American sovereignty. Someone British, I think.

194

Bagua Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:21:12pm

re: #172 freetoken

I've been trying to get my mind around whatever relationships exist, or are developing, that could explain the recent push in AGW-denier talking points all over the place.

Certainly with the coming Copenhagen conference in December the reason for the timing is clear, but I'm wondering what the driving force is for people and websites not normally concerned with the topics (energy, environment) to be so into the issue.

For a while I thought is was just anti-Gore sentiment... and certainly Al has made a legion of enemies... but the recent blather is less and less anti-Gore and more and more (and I've overused this term today but I've got no other for now) revanchism.

That is why the premiering movie Not Evil, Just Wrong will have such potency. Those mean and elitist environmentalists are out to do in the hard working people of this country! Or so it is claimed.

I posted an article about this. Opinion polls in the US, UK and AU have shown a shift of opinion among voters on the importance of Climate Change. Coupled with the looming Cap and Trade and similar taxes in other countries, and in the run up to Copenhagen there is a crescendo of attention. Add to that the cool weather as of late and and a we see such things as a sceptic article in the BBC.

195

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:21:21pm

re: #186 insanity police

Oh, yes, by far my favorite bit of his work. Virtual upding, only, at this point.

Thank you for posting it.

William

196

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:21:36pm

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

I just invited a whole bunch of my FB friends to become fans of the page. We need to relearn history every day.

197

The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:21:47pm

Who is he bearing the sense of a man which is not ashamed to ende the day without the singing of Psalms, seeing even the little birds with solemne devotion of sweet notes do both begin and end the daie.
--St Ambrose, Praise of Musicke

Musicke doth withdraw our mindes from earthly cogitations, lifteth up our spirits into heaven, maketh them light and celestial.
--St. John Chrysostom

If the king loves music it is well with the land.
--Mencius, Discourses

The joy of the heart begets song.
--The Talmud

Music rises from the human heart. When the emotions are touched, they are expressed in sounds, and when the sounds take definite forms, we have music. Therefore the music of a peaceful and prosperous country is quiet and joyous, and the government is orderly; the music of a country in turmoil shows dissatisfaction and anger, and the government is chaotic; and the music of a destroyed country shows sorrow and remembrance of the past and the people are distressed. Thus we see music and government are directly connected with one another.
--Confucius, On Music

Gladden thine heart, drum thine drum, and pipe thine pipe.
--Arabian Nights

Nothing on earth is so well suited to make the sad merry, the merry sad, to give courage to the despairing, to make the proud humble, to lessen envy and hate, as music.
--Martin Luther

Music is one of the greatest gifts that God has given us: it is divine and therefore Satan is its enemy. For with its aid many dire temptations are overcome; the devil does not stay where music is.
--ibid

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:22:27pm

re: #196 Irenicum

I just invited a whole bunch of my FB friends to become fans of the page. We need to relearn history every day.

10,000 updings!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:23:38pm

re: #180 swamprat

Alrighty then.
He should sue. But what he is accused of should not be considered bad enough to stop him from buying a football team, but it was bad enough to "wreck his career?

Can anybody follow this chain of logic? I got lost at the last turn.

Rush Limbaugh has no reputation left to lose.

200

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:23:52pm

re: #193 iceweasel

I saw a crazy rightwinger who claims that signing it DOES sign away American sovereignty. Someone British, I think.

Yeah, there video of some British guy (Lord something-or-other) making the rounds on right wing blogs.

201

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:24:22pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Back atcha!

202

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:24:37pm

Is it just me or is Conservative Moonbat's # 191 missing the reply/quote buttons?

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freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:25:04pm

re: #192 KingKenrod

Not only that... but the reality of the coming Copenhagen summit is that everybody knows very little will be forthcoming and that the energy exporters (Russia, OPEC) have no intention of going along with cutting their income. There are many reasons why the coming summit is really "greenwashing", a show, and the last thing we have to fear is any meaningful restrictions on our polluting from that meeting.

What the "right" is running from is that universe doesn't care about human politics... and much more imminent than CO2 restrictions is yet another coming oil crisis... which will be blamed on environmentalists, of course, though the root cause is more profound.

204

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:25:53pm

re: #197 The Sanity Inspector

Wonderful quotes! I don't know what motivated it, but keep it up! Or should I say it's music to my ears!

205

A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Is it just me or is Conservative Moonbat's # 191 missing the reply/quote buttons?

Nope it's fine.. Maybe Bill Gates is just messing with you tonight...

206

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:26:34pm

re: #201 Irenicum

Back atcha!

My daughters are 7 (twins). What age do you think I should start teaching them something about the Holocaust?

207

freetoken Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:27:15pm

re: #194 Bagua

Add to that the cool weather as of late and and a we see such things as a sceptic article in the BBC.

Ironically, this year has been quite warm.

208

Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:27:48pm

re: #111 Conservative Moonbat

Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches

The idea of witchcraft is hardly new, but it has taken on new life recently partly because of a rapid growth in evangelical Christianity. Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire.

This is real medieval badness.

Bishop A.D. Ayakndue, the head of the church in Nigeria, said pastors were encouraged to pray about witchcraft, but not to abuse children.

That's one prayer list you definitely don't want to find yourself on.

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Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:27:49pm

re: #205 HoosierHoops

Oh, now don't be blaming the antichrist for everything!
/

210

John Neverbend Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:33:05pm

re: #184 freetoken

Too bad for his audience who don't know that the names mentioned are just the usual discredited claims.

I wonder if there's any overlap with the 3 1/2 scientists who don't believe in neo-Darwinism?

211

Irenicum Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:38:53pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

It of course depends on their level of maturity. On a basic level you can share how people have hurt others just because of differences such as ethnicity, sexuality, etc., and why that's wrong. That's something I'm grateful my mother taught me when I was quite young. There are great resources out there that are age appropriate. I would recommend the ADL and the graphic novel Maus. The ADL has many resources for whatever you need, and Maus is an illustrated way to communicate what happened that a child can more easily understand. I would also recommend Night by Elie Wiesel. It'll be difficult no matter what. And how it should be. Something so horrific should always be handled with somber care and deliberate consideration. It's so good that you care enough to pass that knowledge and concern along to your children. God bless you!

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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:41:26pm

re: #204 Irenicum

Wonderful quotes! I don't know what motivated it, but keep it up! Or should I say it's music to my ears!

Thanks! It's a little something from my ten years on alt.quotations, among the last worthwhile newsgroups left in usenet.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 17, 2009 5:45:48pm

re: #211 Irenicum

Thank you! Those two books look a little too advance for them as far as comprehending the substance. Maybe I'll wait till they become teens.

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