Here’s NPR’s coverage of Rush Limbaugh’s ugly, distorted attack on New York Times climate change reporter Andrew Revkin: Innovative ‘Times’ Reporter Draws Limbaugh’s Ire.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:03am |
I’ve never been a fan of Rush Limbaugh. This just adds to the file cabinet in my mind the fact that I won’t ever be a fan of his.
Hey Rush, how would it feel if someone told you that you should kill yourself because of a dissenting opinion? Actually, my guess is you wouldn’t care because the press about it would send you more listeners…
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Baier Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:45am |
re: #3 sngnsgt
I stand corrected, thanks.
He wont STFU until he can’t generate any ad dollars, unfortunately.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:09:47am |
I wonder if Bush was sitting next to Rush laughing.
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J.S. Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:13:30am |
re: #6 Ben Hur
Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:14:13am |
Hrmm… I just checked over at the other site to see what was going on.
Apparently, I’m an “asshole” for a previous post on the last thread because of a simple thought I had, and it was someone that I had respected while they were still a member of LGF.
I have never attacked anyone for moving to another blog, or deciding that LGF was no longer a place they wanted to post. I still won’t, but it really is a sad state of affairs.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:15:04am |
re: #7 J.S.
Was easy to find them…They were missing at least one shoe!
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:17:12am |
re: #7 J.S.
Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:18:11am |
Maybe it was just a form of respect, like in the Life of Brian…
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:20:00am |
And my last post on the matter, to the one at the other site who seems to now consider me to be an enemy.
I don’t have idols. I’m sorry we don’t see eye to eye. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors, and hope some day we may talk with rational discourse. Until then, have a good life.
No sarcasm.
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Randall Gross Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:22:18am |
He has a son serving in the IDF, I did not know that.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:22:27am |
From the link at the top:
Revkin has received angry hate mail and telephone messages. He wants Limbaugh to apologize to the rest of his family — especially his older son, a regular Limbaugh listener who is, Revkin says, currently serving in the Israeli military.
Anyone want to bet on whether there’s an apology from Rush to his fan?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:23:09am |
re: #7 J.S.
Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)
Insanity.
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sngnsgt Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:23:22am |
re: #10 reloadingisnotahobby
Was easy to find them…They were missing at least one shoe!
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Kragar Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:24:35am |
re: #6 Ben Hur
I wonder if Bush was sitting next to Rush laughing.
Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.
///
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:25:05am |
re: #9 MrSilverDragon
someone that I had respected while they were still a member of LGF.
I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:25:56am |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.
///
Then no one got the joke.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:27:19am |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.
///
I am Ben Hur.
I need no approval for my opinions from anyone.
I am a Lone Wolf and a equal opportunity annoyer.
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Randall Gross Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:28:36am |
Here’s Revkin’s blog for those who haven’t seen it:
[Link: dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com…]
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J.S. Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:29:21am |
re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist
They (the protesters) are claiming that GW’s “a terrorist” and, of course, a “war criminal” etc. They act as if GW Bush is still President of the United States and that this is the year 2003… (The Prime Minister of Canada, today, is being quoted as saying that his television news/political channel of choice is not domestic — I believe he was suggesting that he doesn’t watch the CBC — he prefers to view international news channels (CNN?)…)
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Kragar Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:31:27am |
re: #20 wrenchwench
I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.
Just remember the rules for the internet and you’ll be fine.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:33:07am |
An interesting view into Obama’s strategy…
Obama strategy: Marginalize critics
They see an opportunity to corner critics of the president’s policies, especially on health care and financial regulations, and, in the process, further marginalize the Republican Party.
Privately, officials have talked with relish for months of the potential to isolate the GOP as a narrow party of white, Southern conservatives with little appeal to independent-minded voters.
This won’t happen overnight, but a combination of demographics — especially the explosion of a Hispanic population that has been voting for Democrats — the near-extinction of Republicans in the Northeast and the steady rightward drift of the GOP’s grass-roots activists at least makes it a plausible goal.
By design or not, nearly every Republican whom Obama has nominated for a White House job — Ray LaHood for Transportation, Judd Gregg for Commerce and John McHugh for the Army — represents an area Democrats can take back if the sitting Republican is gone. None is from the South.
So is the strategy working? White House officials point to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll to argue the answer is emphatically yes. Only 20 percent of those surveyed identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest in 26 years of asking the question.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:33:53am |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just remember the rules for the internet and you’ll be fine.
I am aware of all internet traditions!
/there are rules?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:34:56am |
re: #20 wrenchwench
I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.
Ok, I guess I lied in my previous comment. I do have more to post on the matter… One thing, the exchange we had across blogs does reinforce my comment on the earlier thread, that disagreement leads to hate and not rational discussion, as I have been downgraded to “dumb asshole”. I still continue to wish them a happy life and will not harbor ill will. We disagree, and I guess that’s how the story ends.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:37:31am |
re: #20 wrenchwench
I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.
Ditto.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:37:53am |
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:39:42am |
re: #22 Ben Hur
I am Ben Hur.
I need no approval for my opinions from anyone.
I am a Lone Wolf and a equal opportunity annoyer.
And if they piss you off you can run them over with a chariot too.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:40:39am |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:19am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:50am |
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:55am |
re: #32 Ben Hur
Don’t use that term on this thread!
Not our fault Rush’s listeners use the word when they really mean “megadildos”.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:44:12am |
re: #28 MrSilverDragon
Don’t fret too much about it. Those wonderful former commentors show how classless they are every time they open their mouths.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:45:35am |
I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.
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badger1970 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:46:05am |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
1) It’s a Washington Post poll
2) I’m glad the White House can claim victory over the domestic opposition while hem-hawing on Afghanistan.
The GOP has been helping the White House cause but as a conservative (fiscal), Rush has never spoken for me. He’s a $100 million dollar sob, a Howard Stern w/o the sex.
I miss RWR. *sniff*
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:47:28am |
re: #37 wrenchwench
I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.
Maybe he has an “Ida wasn’t ‘the missing link’ so you GDCH Darwinists are all wrong!!1!11!” comment warmed up in the bullpen?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:47:43am |
re: #37 wrenchwench
I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.
“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:28am |
re: #36 Honorary Yooper
Don’t fret too much about it. Those wonderful former commentors show how classless they are every time they open their mouths.
No fretting here, just sad about how things are playing out, that’s all. Losing friends, even virtual ones, never feels good.
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CommonCents Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:29am |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
An interesting view into Obama’s strategy…
That’s why the WH isn’t concerned about their own approval numbers dropping. Even if underwhelmed Republicans don’t vote for the party candidate they don’t need to necessarily move over to the Democrats. If they are disenchanted into either a) not voting or b) going 3rd party, that’s still a win for Democrats.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:41am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:20am |
re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Cthulhu.
I’m going to have to study up on this Cthulhu dude (or dudette).
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:22am |
re: #40 reine.de.tout
“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”
Is the Egg an creationist flouncer and the chicken a Limbaugh flouncer? Or vice versa?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:43am |
re: #45 ArchangelMichael
Is the Egg an creationist flouncer and the chicken a Limbaugh flouncer? Or vice versa?
Exactly!
Glad somebody gets it.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:52:10am |
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:54:31am |
re: #37 wrenchwench
They’re waiting until Charles posts another thread. Then watch them come out of the woodwork. Flouncers, recently, have been waiting for the overnight threads. They see it as their chance to get the flounce up for as long as possible for the buddies to gawk at.
Then we have the socks people like to use.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:55:22am |
re: #41 MrSilverDragon
No fretting here, just sad about how things are playing out, that’s all. Losing friends, even virtual ones, never feels good.
No, no it never does.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:55:27am |
re: #40 reine.de.tout
“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”
Which one is saying “I’m sorry, but you know that people can just get overanxious at times.”? There’s your answer!
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bosforus Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:57:18am |
Back to the subject at hand, I dislike seeing headlines that tell me how to think of a person. Just tell me the story, I’ll decide if I think he’s innovative or not.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:58:22am |
If he really thinks that humanity is destroying the planet…
Right, this must the work of those damn dolphins.
//
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:59:04am |
re: #52 SteveC
There’s a lot of stupid to go around when it comes to vaccinations.
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CommonCents Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:59:11am |
I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.
But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:00pm |
re: #55 CommonCents
I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.
But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.
Except me!
/
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CommonCents Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:07pm |
re: #52 SteveC
Your link suggests to me it’s not a quiz. But I would guess they all agree “it’s nice to get PAID”
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Irenicum Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:24pm |
OT/ Here’s some more bad crazy going on, now as a video game! And down the rabbit hole they go…
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:50pm |
re: #55 CommonCents
I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.
But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.
Obama thanks you for your service.
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CommonCents Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:01pm |
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:11pm |
re: #38 badger1970
1) It’s a Washington Post poll
Here’s a better write up on the topic.
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com…]
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CommonCents Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:46pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
Obama thanks you for your service.
That would be a brief conversation and I doubt it would end with “thank you”.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:02:27pm |
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:03:00pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
There’s a lot of stupid to go around when it comes to vaccinations.
It’s like Pesto on a sandwich, spread it on thick!
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:03:18pm |
re: #53 JasonA
Right, this must the work of those damn dolphins.
//
Those damn Nike-wearing dolphins!
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:04:07pm |
Rush is a free American and as such he can speak say whatever he wants. Besides, it is so obvious that people here don’t get Rush’s humor. He illustrates the absurd by being absurd. All this fuss about Rush reminds me when Dems took to the floor of the House quoting Rush saying that he wanted to feed cat food to seniors. The man was joking and the fools took him seriously.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:04:59pm |
Well folks, it’s time for me to head home to the beautiful woman who was willing to let me give her my heart for eternity.
I wish all of you, and I mean all of you, a good night and a pleasant tomorrow.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:05:24pm |
re: #68 Pepper Fox
That’s just as bad as Rush mocking children dying from H1N1 or suggesting Revkin kill himself.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:06:03pm |
CHARLES ,, sorry ,,, 71 has to go
My bad
REPLY ,,,not QUOTE
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:06:25pm |
re: #70 MrSilverDragon
Well folks, it’s time for me to head home to the beautiful woman who was willing to let me give her my heart for eternity
Damn! You’ve got a portable Heart/Lung unit?! Let’s talk, we can make some money!
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:09:08pm |
re: #69 Chekote
Rush is a free American and as such he can speak say whatever he wants. Besides, it is so obvious that people here don’t get Rush’s humor. He illustrates the absurd by being absurd. All this fuss about Rush reminds me when Dems took to the floor of the House quoting Rush saying that he wanted to feed cat food to seniors. The man was joking and the fools took him seriously.
It was satire!11!!
/Yeah, sure whatever. Rush has said so many idiotic and repulsive things as to render your defense meaningless.
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Irenicum Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:09:44pm |
re: #63 bosforus
Huh, I musta missed that. I just now noticed it on Orion’s twitter page when the retweeted the Mother Jones piece. Do you recall what day Charles posted that?
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:10:01pm |
re: #76 JasonA
Ah nuts. My first deletion.
No big deal, just reply rather than quote anything you think might cause Stinky to open a Can of Whup-Ass®.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:17pm |
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Bagua Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:46pm |
The NPR interview was very compelling, Rush owes Revkin an apology for misrepresenting his work and views.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:51pm |
I can’t stand RL.
I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:13:17pm |
re: #80 ArchangelMichael
No big deal, just reply rather than quote anything you think might cause Stinky to open a Can of Whup-Ass®.
Ever seen the safety Warning on a can of WhoopAss?
1) Do not open can indoors.
2) Do not open can when pointing at face.
3) Never shake can before opening.
GOOD F’N LUCK!
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:13:59pm |
re: #77 pdc_lgf
The same old idea that people are inherently bad, harmful to the environment. How many predictions have we had through the centuries that the world will not be able to handle the growing human population? We are are not inherently bad for the environment. We are part, a product of this world. The alarmists are just as absurd as Rush’s comment suggesting that he kill himself. I think it is funny. Others do not. But they again, every man I know thinks that the Three Stooges were funny. I never did.
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:08pm |
re: #83 Ojoe
I can’t stand RL.
I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.
How about eliminating the standard dependent deduction, then?
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:09pm |
re: #81 The Sanity Inspector
Walk it off.
Never coached football, have you? You’re supposed to slap him on the butt when you tell him to walk it off!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:26pm |
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:29pm |
re: #83 Ojoe
I can’t stand RL.
I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.
It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well. Guilty until proven innocent, if it’s even possible to do so.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:59pm |
re: #83 Ojoe
“As I put it in the Wilson event: “Should you get credit — if we’re going to become carbon-centric — for having a one-child family when you could have had two or three. And obviously it’s just a thought experiment, but it raises some interesting questions about all this.”
He’s not recommending it. Do you find receiving money for having children - specifically the tax deduction - objectionable as well?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:15:08pm |
re: #83 Ojoe
I can’t stand RL.
I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.
On what higher ground do the people who think these things up stand, that they are qualified to move the rest of us around like pieces on a chessboard?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:16:20pm |
re: #86 SixDegrees
How about eliminating the standard dependent deduction, then?
Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it
(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:17:03pm |
re: #83 Ojoe
I can’t stand RL.
I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.
I’m amazed that anyone could make such an incredibly far-fetched connection between incentives to have smaller families — and buying and selling people.
You’re comparing contraception to slavery. Are you sure you want to defend this position?
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:17:10pm |
re: #78 Varek Raith
Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:09pm |
re: #89 ArchangelMichael
It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well.
Then I saw her face, now I’m a polluter
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I’m in love, I’m a polluter!
I couldn’t leave her if I tried.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:41pm |
re: #85 Chekote
My kids hated the Three Stooges.
The article doesn’t say humans are bad. He says what he says. He says giving people something they want would be a cost-effective C02 policy. That’s pretty much all he’s saying.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:58pm |
re: #94 Chekote
Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.
Back at the time or it’s original airing, they were!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:12pm |
re: #94 Chekote
Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.
There was absolutely nothing even remotely humorous about Limbaugh’s rant against Andrew Revkin. He compared environmentalists to suicide bombers, then told Revkin to go kill himself — and he did it with a very angry tone of voice. Trying to paint this as “humor” is completely ridiculous.
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:24pm |
I think he’s just making a larger point that we can’t — and don’t want to — disincentivize all carbon-increasing activities.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:35pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it
(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))
the “standard deduction” is not a “reward” - by that reasoning, you are saying the government “rewards” people by allowing them to keep more of their hard-earned money if they have children to raise. How is it the government’s money to use as a “reward” to begin with? I’ve earned it; it’s my money, and the tax laws allow me to keep more of it if I have more people to support.
Besides which, it doesn’t come anywhere close to being what it costs to raise a child.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:43pm |
re: #93 Charles
I’m amazed that anyone could make such an incredibly far-fetched connection between incentives to have smaller families — and buying and selling people.
You’re comparing contraception to slavery. Are you sure you want to defend this position?
I never saw anything in Ojoe’s comment that equated contracetption and slavery. He said that he does not like the carbon credits for not having kids thing. I agree with him on that. It stinks. It places a price on a human being, a cost.
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aagcobb Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:56pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it
(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))
The Devil is an idiot then. With something like 7 billion people on the planet, an individual choice not to have children does not place the species in imminent danger of extinction.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:35pm |
re: #100 reine.de.tout
Besides which, it doesn’t come anywhere close to being what it costs to raise a child.
Who YOU tellin!!!
//
I have a 15 year old boy in a private High School!!
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badger1970 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:39pm |
re: #90 pdc_lgf
Kids “cost” a hell of lot more than the measly amount the feds allow to take off.
*now if I can figure out a way to make my dog dependent* /
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:58pm |
re: #94 Chekote
Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.
You thought that rant against Revkin was humorous?!
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #102 aagcobb
The Devil is an idiot then. With something like 7 billion people on the planet, an individual choice not to have children does not place the species in imminent danger of extinction.
Yes! We are all individuals!
/Life of Brian.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:21:59pm |
Speaking of children,…
Peoria police say 48-year-old Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale allegedly ran his daughter down Tuesday at an Arizona Department of Economic Security parking lot in Peoria.
“When I walked out the door I saw two ladies on the ground, so my first thought was some kind of domestic dispute,” says witness Synthia Diaz.
The victim, 20-year-old Noor Faleh Almaleki of Surprise, is hospitalized with life-threatening injuries.
SNIP
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:05pm |
Weren’t warmest years in the late 90s? Wasn’t 2008 cooler than the previous year? Haven’t carbon levels continued to rise every year? I think that is right. My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that carbon is the sole cause of the warming. Yet, you got people calling for reducing population and acting like the world is about to end. It is fricken’ 2YK all over again. I am tired of the alarmists. They are absurd. As absurd as Rush’s comment. Except that Rush knows he is being absurd while the others are being completely serious about the world ending.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:15pm |
re: #100 reine.de.tout
Again, I’m only asking a question. Two families alike in every respect. Except one family has more children - hence more deductions. I don’t find that objectionable. I find it reasonable. But that wasn’t being discussed. What was being discussed is a relationship between kids and money - which was somehow a horrible thing to even contemplate.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:21pm |
re: #104 badger1970
Kids “cost” a hell of lot more than the measly amount the feds allow to take off.
This Health Scare bill ought to prove to you that Congress can’t estimate costs worth a damn!
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:23:44pm |
re: #108 Chekote
My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that carbon is the sole cause of the warming.
No scientist is saying that carbon is the only variable that affects climate.
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aagcobb Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:23:44pm |
re: #101 Honorary Yooper
I never saw anything in Ojoe’s comment that equated contracetption and slavery. He said that he does not like the carbon credits for not having kids thing. I agree with him on that. It stinks. It places a price on a human being, a cost.
Then you have to oppose the standard deduction for dependents, because that puts a cost on a human being as well, just in the opposite direction.
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:01pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it
(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))
Easy to find a middle ground. Allow a single deduction, maybe two, maybe some declining amount per each additional child.
Just pointing out that we already assign a dollar value to children.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:19pm |
re: #107 MandyManners
Speaking of children,…
This is Peoria, not Iraq. You’re in our house, you play by our rules.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:37pm |
re: #97 sattv4u2
They were not. They used comedy for social commentary. I hope we are not heading for a completely humorless world.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:55pm |
re: #112 aagcobb
Then you have to oppose the standard deduction for dependents, because that puts a cost on a human being as well, just in the opposite direction.
I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:25:54pm |
re: #111 lastlaugh
Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.
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simoom Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:01pm |
Heh, I just watched this clip from last night’s Greta Van Susteren’s Fox show:
Van Susteren: There is breaking news in the White House war on Fox News. In case you though it was only Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Presidential Advisor David Axelrod and Communications Director Anita Dunn who conspired to take on Fox News, think again. It turns out President Obama knows all about it.
Hyperbole much?
Reminds me of this Newsweek column - [Link: www.newsweek.com…]
Last week, when White House Communications Director Anita Dunn charged the Fox News Channel with right-wing bias, Fox responded the way it always does. It denied the accusation with a straight face while proceeding to confirm it with its coverage.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:48pm |
re: #114 SteveC
This is Peoria, not Iraq. You’re in our house, you play by our rules.
Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:52pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the
speciestax base while the other rewards people for ending it. […]
FTFY
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:54pm |
re: #115 Chekote
They were not. They used comedy for social commentary. I hope we are not heading for a completely humorless world.
Sorry ,, but your incorrect. There was outrage (no ,, not rioting in the streets or anything to that degree) but when that show 1st aired it broke MANY TV Taboos for the 1st time. It was VERY cutting edge for it’s time and some ,,, SOME, did call it racist, homophobic, etc, not being able to delineate “Archie Bunker” from an actual person
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bosforus Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:28:04pm |
re: #119 MandyManners
Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?
I thought they had “Father Chasing Disobedient Daughter With Car” traffic signs over there.
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:29:18pm |
re: #116 Honorary Yooper
I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.
You’ll find a whole lot of politicians and others in Washington who completely agree with you - except for the lower taxes part. Look for a push to eliminate many deductions while keeping tax rates the same in coming months to avoid the charge that Congress is raising taxes. They are desperate for revenue, and have completely forgotten that there’s another alternative: reducing spending.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:29:34pm |
I can’t joke about someone being run down with a car.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:13pm |
I don’t think there is a White House war on news. What I do see however (and it is illustrated quite well in the previous thread) is an attempt by both ends of the political spectrum to use the media as a propaganda arm for their pet causes. This is disturbing and bipartisan bad bahavior.
The press carries some of the blame for claiming to be unbiased then allowing themselves to be tuned into larger than life editorials for or against any given issue.
When was the last time you read an MSM article or saw a cable news show and got the facts and nothing but the facts ma’am on the news page?
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:20pm |
re: #117 Chekote
Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.
There’s someone downstairs you need to talk to.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:44pm |
re: #105 Varek Raith
Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:45pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:31:15pm |
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Locker Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:31:36pm |
re: #126 DaddyG
I don’t think there is a White House war on news. What I do see however (and it is illustrated quite well in the previous thread) is an attempt by both ends of the political spectrum to use the media as a propaganda arm for their pet causes. This is disturbing and bipartisan bad bahavior.
The press carries some of the blame for claiming to be unbiased then allowing themselves to be tuned into larger than life editorials for or against any given issue.
When was the last time you read an MSM article or saw a cable news show and got the facts and nothing but the facts ma’am on the news page?
If that’s what I’m looking for I normally turn to Jim Lehrer (The News Hour) on PBS. It’s the best I’ve found.
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aagcobb Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:31:59pm |
re: #116 Honorary Yooper
I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.
It would put a lot of lawyers and accountants out of work! I agree with you, however deductions would start creeping back into the tax code because its an easy and popular way to do something.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:22pm |
re: #130 The Sanity Inspector
Horrible. Assimilate already, you old fart.
HE did assimilate. (at least externally)
The problem is that SHE assimilated.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:25pm |
re: #119 MandyManners
Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?
More to the point, would a law against it be enforced? It’s illegal to torch churches in Pakistan too, but…
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:47pm |
re: #128 Chekote
Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.
Facepalm. I get it, you’ll defend Rush no matter what he says, all in the guise that is was just satire. What a convenient and all-encompassing defense you got there.
GAZE.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:53pm |
re: #128 Chekote
Who ever suggested that Obama’s election would do that? I read that all the time. Could you link to one single politician or pundit on the left who said that?
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:10pm |
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:23pm |
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:27pm |
re: #136 suchislife
I’ll take the downding back if you find one.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:50pm |
re: #127 SixDegrees
Hey, I grew up and Italy and have been told all my life that Venice was about to disappear any minute. Decades later it is still there. Yes, we have a problem. But the alarmist rhetoric is not helping. I think it is destructive.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:34:05pm |
If she had just assimmilated a bit more and purchased a hand gun… [self deleted]
(ok not kosher) I don’t care what your religion or tradition is: wanting to control your child is not love it is selfishness that breeds hate.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:34:25pm |
re: #136 suchislife
Who ever suggested that Obama’s election would do that? I read that all the time. Could you link to one single politician or pundit on the left who said that?
I guess from the people you read it from all the time.
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:35pm |
re: #117 Chekote
Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.
I think you miss my point. Its not the only variable, but it is a very important one, one that can have a devastating impact, and one that humans can control to a large extent.
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:40pm |
re: #140 Chekote
Hey, I grew up and Italy and have been told all my life that Venice was about to disappear any minute. Decades later it is still there. Yes, we have a problem. But the alarmist rhetoric is not helping. I think it is destructive.
I agree. It’s rare to win over converts when you start by accusing your target of being an idiot and proclaiming that you’re right and he’s wrong, with no middle ground to walk across.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:58pm |
re: #109 pdc_lgf
Again, I’m only asking a question. Two families alike in every respect. Except one family has more children - hence more deductions. I don’t find that objectionable. I find it reasonable. But that wasn’t being discussed. What was being discussed is a relationship between kids and money - which was somehow a horrible thing to even contemplate.
My response to Satt was limited to just his comment.
But … to your other question:
Revkin’s thought, all by itself, to offer incentives for smaller families, is innocuous.
But what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?
In the thread here the other day, we had somebody actually move from the idea of “incentives for smaller families” to the idea that governmental disincentives (penalties) for larger families could be a good thing.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
If the conversation in a thread here at LGF can move away from Revkin’s idea so quickly, what is to keep governmental policy-makers from doing the same thing?
I think here, in this country, such a move is highly unlikely. But how unlikely is it in other countries, and is it a good thing for governments to penalize people for having families?
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:36:54pm |
Wow- I have the number one comment yesterday. That’s a first for me.
Of course it wasn’t one of my well thought out *cough* insightful *cough* comments, but an “Escape From New York” joke.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:10pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
If the conversation in a thread here at LGF can move away from Revkin’s idea so quickly, what is to keep governmental policy-makers from doing the same thing?
I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:17pm |
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:29pm |
To his credit Hannity had two doctors on his show yesterday talking about how all the fears about vaccines are unfounded. Now this is total lunancy and the idea that people should “choose” not the be vaccinated is nonsense. Smallpox, polio would still be with us had not been for forcing people to get vaccines.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:31pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:36pm |
re: #147 DaddyG
Wow- I have the number one comment yesterday. That’s a first for me.
Of course it wasn’t one of my well thought out *cough* insightful *cough* comments, but an “Escape From New York” joke.
You’re the A number 1, the Duke of New York
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SixDegrees Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:40pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
China. One Child Policy. Punishment for violations includes extremely large fines, and in many cases mandatory sterilization.
It’s already been done.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:03pm |
re: #148 suchislife
I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.
…or return to the chambers and work with each other for 6 years at a time. Blogs are rabbit trail heaven and the perfect forum for politically astute ADD sufferers.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:28pm |
re: #151 pdc_lgf
Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?
Goodness!
No, it’s not bad to think thoughts.
Are you arguing that it’s bad to point out problems and potential flaws?
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #90 pdc_lgf
The tax deduction is not the same, it is a positive thing and it does not assume your child is bad for the planet.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #144 lastlaugh
I am not missing the point. But do you really think that running around screaming that the world will end tomorrow is productive? I don’t. Especially since the science is rather complex. It is not cut and dry carbon=higher temperatures. Other factors can bring down temperatures despite higher carbon levels.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:41:07pm |
re: #117 Chekote
Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.
Fear is the most effective motivator for human beings, followed closely by greed.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:41:12pm |
re: #148 suchislife
I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.
Good point, could very well be true.
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simoom Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:30pm |
Science Daily: Presidential Election Outcome Changed Voters’ Testosterone
Young men who voted for Republican John McCain or Libertarian candidate Robert Barr in the 2008 presidential election suffered an immediate drop in testosterone when the election results were announced, according to a study by researchers at Duke University and the University of Michigan.In contrast, men who voted for the winner, Democrat Barack Obama, had stable testosterone levels immediately after the outcome.
They also note the women in the study were unaffected :P.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:45pm |
Just what we need, a more complex tax code!
How about credit for not eating, not driving, not passing gas?
/sarcasm. Being absurd.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:48pm |
re: #158 Bagua
Fear is the most effective motivator for human beings, followed closely by greed.
Pain avoidance is #1 with a bullet.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:58pm |
re: #93 Charles
I am not not comparing contraception to slavery. But putting a money value on people, and then trading it perhaps as a “carbon credit.” That part is similar if you ask me.
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:44:07pm |
re: #157 Chekote
That may be true, but there’s no reason to believe those larger factors will be large enough to counter carbon.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:44:36pm |
re: #160 simoom
Science Daily: Presidential Election Outcome Changed Voters’ Testosterone
They also note the women in the study were unaffected :P.
Could it be that those who had already lost their balls prior to the election were unaffected while the rest of the population didn’t have their levels drop until the election castrated them? //
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:45:31pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
Revkin’s thought, all by itself, to offer incentives for smaller families, is innocuous.
Actually, I don’t really see where you’re going after this. Of course, every innocuous thought can be twisted and turned into something else. That doesn’t make it any less innocuous.
Sometimes, a thought may seem innocuous, but it is really a dog whistle, or it has ramifications not readilily visible, or it deliberately or not relies on and feeds an already existing racist or otherwise bad tradition. So it’s really not innocuous. I don’t see how that is the case here.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:05pm |
Let’s cut down on breathing! One breath every 30 seconds. Let’s establish the Office of Breathing Control.
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:33pm |
Correction: That may be true, but there’s no reason to believe those other factors will be large enough to counter carbon.
Edit: I apologize, I have to get back to work now, lunch is over.
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DaddyG Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:37pm |
We’re still not looking into a potentially serious anthropological global warming source as seriously as we could be. Why aren’t we calling Taco Bell and other Mexican fast food franchises to account for the tons of methane their products generate every day? //
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:47:05pm |
re: #166 suchislife
Actually, I don’t really see where you’re going after this. Of course, every innocuous thought can be twisted and turned into something else. That doesn’t make it any less innocuous.
Sometimes, a thought may seem innocuous, but it is really a dog whistle, or it has ramifications not readilily visible, or it deliberately or not relies on and feeds an already existing racist or otherwise bad tradition. So it’s really not innocuous. I don’t see how that is the case here.
Well, my next line in that same comment is where I was going after that:
what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:48:44pm |
re: #163 Ojoe
So, then, would you be in favor of dumping any carbon-credit scheme and going with, say, a carbon tax? That way we don’t have to worry about trading lives, no?
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:48:47pm |
re: #170 reine.de.tout
Well, then that would be the end of that idea, and they would have to find another one, which might then again be innocuous or not.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:49:28pm |
re: #151 pdc_lgf
Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?
I already answered once, but to add to my response:
No, it’s not bad to think thoughts, and I actually had a thought of my own.
My thought was this:
what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:00pm |
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:18pm |
re: #172 suchislife
Though this is very close to arguing for arguments sake, on my part. I don’t even think this is a good idea. Sorry. Got carried away.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:31pm |
re: #169 DaddyG
We’re still not looking into a potentially serious anthropological global warming source as seriously as we could be. Why aren’t we calling Taco Bell and other Mexican fast food franchises to account for the tons of methane their products generate every day? //
You joke and yet… demonizing meet is very much part of the Greenie agenda.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:41pm |
re: #135 Varek Raith
And the today’s Pretentious Windbag Award goes to … me!
Here’s what I wrote last night, about Sarah Palin:
She’s a fad. It’s a variant of Rep. Bachmann’s “blood oath” nonsense. Or joining an organization called Oath Keepers - to take an oath, forswearing something you wouldn’t do anyway. “I solemnly swear I won’t stick a knitting needle in my ear, and push hard.”
The idea seems to be, that by collectively pretending that the woman is something she is manifestly not, a form of bonding occurs. The Perpetually Aggrieved Right will fasten upon her, until the next opportunity for obligatory suspension of disbelief comes along.
Portions of the so-called Left perform the same ritual with certain figures, such as Noam Chomsky. Let’s all pretend that the U.S. does whatever it does - it’s all bad, you know - for filthy lucre. This extends, insofar as I can tell, to pretending to believe in academic circles that his hypothetical, non-falsifiable, ever-expanding General Theory of Language with Explains Nothing is just … so … incredibly … deep. Three days after he’s dead, people will be falling all over themselves to disavow it. Like what happened with B. F. Skinner.
What’s my point? It’s this. There’s a thing going around. Today it affects the ranting right. The idea is to take an arguable point, and insist that it’s obviously true. Those who object “just don’t get it” - or worse. Today’s little spectacle is that we’re all supposed to line up and pretend that Revkin said some awful thing - he didn’t; and that R. Limbaugh is a misunderstood entertainer - misunderstanding him is a sign of possessing a weak character or “bias” or being an extremist, etc.
And this happens every day. Every day there’s some new horrible thought crime committed by “liberals,” “leftists” and other Unreal Americans. The thought crime is not lining up and dutifully regurgitating today’s party line.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:03pm |
re: #171 freetoken
That would be way better if you ask me.
The other idea really seems evil to me & I don’t usually call things that.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:08pm |
re: #167 Chekote
Let’s cut down on breathing! One breath every 30 seconds. Let’s establish the Office of Breathing Control.
What is the carbon footprint of an idiotic comment?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:57pm |
re: #172 suchislife
Well, then that would be the end of that idea, and they would have to find another one, which might then again be innocuous or not.
So - then - you and pdc_lgf both seem to be saying that Revkin’s “thought experiment” is just fine; but … it’s not OK for me to engage in my own “thought experiment” and ask the question:
what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?
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brent Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:52:03pm |
#170 good question…
If you start down the path, how far is too far? The one child policy of China seemed absurd to me until it was real… The idea of abortions to choose the sex of your baby still doesn’t seem real to me. Killing female children because they’re expensive seems way over the top.
It’s all crazy talk, right up to the point where it becomes reality.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:52:29pm |
re: #164 lastlaugh
Well, in 2008 temperatures were lower than previous years while the carbon levels continued to rise. Look I am not saying that we should ignore the science. All I am saying is that the alarmist talk is unwarranted. I remember all the predictions of the “nuclear winter”. Then the predictions that the whole world would stop just because computers would have the wrong date on 01/01/00. Enough!
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:53:29pm |
re: #178 Ojoe
Many of us believe a carbon tax makes more sense. Put some of the revenue into alternative energy research, part into lower-carbon energy source production deployment, part of it into efficiency increases, and send some of it back to the lower income as rebates (since sales or VAT taxes are regressive in nature.)
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:53:57pm |
re: #180 reine.de.tout
I think you are entitled to think what you want and question what you want. I just don’t see the connection between giving something to people THAT THEY WANT, and FORCING people to behave in a certain way.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:54:31pm |
re: #182 Chekote
Well, in 2008 temperatures were lower than previous years while the carbon levels continued to rise. Look I am not saying that we should ignore the science.
Yes you are.
If you weren’t ignoring the science you wouldn’t have made the first statement.
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brent Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:56:11pm |
#176 meat is murder
The green dislike of meat makes sense, if you look at it in terms of what farming does to the ecology. Farmers deforest, releasing stored CO2, then you put cows on the land, etc etc. It’s a big deal, when you look at before and afters of countries that have moved into large cattle operations..
/tasty burger…
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:56:50pm |
re: #174 freetoken
Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team? Rush is a political commentator/entertainer. Of course, he is going to say outrageous things. Just like Howard Stern did. You don’t like his schtick, don’t listen. Just like I didn’t listen to Stern because I found him offensive. But I would never deny Stern the right to have his program or own a sports team.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:57:04pm |
re: #180 reine.de.tout
I figured that you were pointing to that second thought experiment to prove that the original thought should be opposed, even though you thought it innocuous. But, like I said above, I think I’m being unnecessarily combative here, and really I do appreciate reading your thought experiments here.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:12pm |
re: #187 Chekote
Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?
Because no one has any sympathy for the fact the Rush wasn’t able to indulge in his 700 million dollar hobby. Or whatever it cost. Besides, I don’t recall any govt official pressuring anyone to not allow Rush to partially purchase the Rams.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:45pm |
re: #187 Chekote
Down-ding for two reasons:
(1) you want to change back to the Rush-is-a-victim whine;
(2) even then, you missed the point of Limbaugh’s boot from the group that are the buyers. It was the fellow buyers who realized that Limbaugh is a political hot potato and thus dropped him - the government didn’t make them do it.
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brent Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:53pm |
#187 deny…
I had the same thought, but it was his investors that let him down… The pressure came, and rightly or wrongly, they folded.
It is disgusting that the government may be into the game of keeping an enemies list, going after them. It’s a horrible abuse of power, if true.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:00:22pm |
re: #89 ArchangelMichael
It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well. Guilty until proven innocent, if it’s even possible to do so.
The thought kernel there it that “people are bad”. If that is allowed to grow, it leads to horrors.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:01:39pm |
re: #187 Chekote
You know, I remember someone joking here that this would get blamed on Obama. Lol!
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Bagua Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:02:12pm |
re: #186 brent
#176 meat is murder
The green dislike of meat makes sense, if you look at it in terms of what farming does to the ecology. Farmers deforest, releasing stored CO2, then you put cows on the land, etc etc. It’s a big deal, when you look at before and afters of countries that have moved into large cattle operations..
/tasty burger…
Yep, and all these nasty cities have destroyed the once pristine forests and meadows that preceded them, as a recent magazine piece on Manhattan showed.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:03:22pm |
re: #185 freetoken
This is what I was referring to:
[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov…]
Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis [see ref. 1] of surface air temperature measurements. In our analysis, 2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008. The two-standard-deviation (95% confidence) uncertainty in comparing recent years is estimated as 0.05°C [ref. 2], so we can only conclude with confidence that 2008 was somewhere within the range from 7th to 10th warmest year in the record.
If I am wrong, I stand corrected. I am not an expert and it hard to get through all the propaganda from BOTH sides. That’s the biggest problem we have. Science has become politicized.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:05:31pm |
re: #182 Chekote
Enough of what? Should we adopt your view consistently? E.g., Reduce defense spending to zero? - After all, we’ve survived all threats so far, so maybe WWII was an over-reaction?
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:05:51pm |
re: #190 freetoken
Downding away! The man is a political satirist, commentor, entertainer. Comparing what he says in humor with people who are completely serious in their hate, bigotry is foolish. IMHO.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:06:10pm |
re: #184 pdc_lgf
I think you are entitled to think what you want and question what you want. I just don’t see the connection between giving something to people THAT THEY WANT, and FORCING people to behave in a certain way.
OK.
It seems you are focused on Revkin’s thought, as it stands all on its own.
Some others here, myself included, have taken that thought and tried to figure out where it would go, if it were to become policy and if it didn’t work to reduce population sufficiently for whatever goal is in mind.
Just thinking out loud, seeing where it goes - what would be the logical outcome for a policy of incentives for smaller families if those incentives don’t work to achieve the goal?
I don’t really want you answer. Just illustrating where my head went when I heard Revkin’s thought experiment.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:08:09pm |
re: #195 Chekote
What are “wrong” are your assertions:
1. That temperatures should rise every year.
2. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.
The science of AGW has never asserted the first one, and your insinuation of such is a fallacy.
Modern physics clearly establishes the second one.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:08:59pm |
re: #196 pdc_lgf
Enough of running around screaming “The world is over! The world is over!” If there is anything that humans have demonstrated is the ability to adapt to survive. Most the opposition to the so called climate change agenda is due to the fact that it seems more targeted at bringing down wealthy, capitalist nations as opposed to addressing the environment.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:09:11pm |
re: #197 Chekote
Furthermore, that you find humorous a guy raving on a radio show that someone else should go out and kill themselves is sad.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:12:37pm |
re: #198 reine.de.tout
I have a terrible feeling about where the thought would go.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:15:27pm |
re: #200 Chekote
OK. How about we do the following. A) Don’t raise our voices - speak in normal tones; B) Address whatever issues there are at hand; C) Try real hard not to screw anyone - rich or poor - in the process.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:17:21pm |
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:17:23pm |
re: #199 freetoken
Where did I say that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? I think you need to cut down on your breathing. Venice is sinking.
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brent Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:18:18pm |
#194 big cities..
I don’t get your point. Yes, cities are dirty, and they probably used to be pristine land at some point. People pollute, a lot of people pollute a lot. Farming as done in many countries, is a freaking mess to the environment.
Go visit the barrier reef, while it’s still pretty, if you want a good example of what farming can do. Ditto for South American forests. Pet a cow.
/still a carnivore
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:19:15pm |
re: #203 pdc_lgf
I am with you. I find this trend of politicizing science (no matter who is doing it) very troubling. We need for science to be about facts. If not, it will be difficult to address any problem.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:21:15pm |
re: #201 freetoken
And I find three guyrs constantly beating each other up not funny. Yet it made a hit TV show.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:21:29pm |
re: #207 Chekote
What was it like to live in Venice? Is it as beautiful as folks say it is?
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theheat Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:22:49pm |
re: #177 pdc_lgf
Every day there’s some new horrible thought crime committed by “liberals,” “leftists” and other Unreal Americans. The thought crime is not lining up and dutifully regurgitating today’s party line.
Psst - they’re called RINOs.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:23:47pm |
re: #209 pdc_lgf
Never lived there. I did visit it and it is a beautiful city.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:31:08pm |
re: #98 Charles
That’s Rush’s usual tone. People think I am angry all the time because I have a tendency to raise my voice when I get passionate about something. To each their own. Rush is obviously not your cup of tea. I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve by making comparisons between what a self-described satirist who says he illustrates the absurd by being absurd says with people like RS McCain and BNP who are being totally serious. I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this. I say this as a fan and someone who shares many of your values and opinions.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:52:06pm |
re: #187 Chekote
Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?
You can’t POSSIBLY be for real.
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martinsmithy Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:52:34pm |
re: #212 Chekote
If you are arguing that Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t be taken seriously, I have no quarrel with you!
The problem is that, in addition to the usual dittohead suspects, Rush is now taken seriously by the Republican party in the form of its leadership and officeholders. Not a good situation.
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doubter4444 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:53:56pm |
re: #128 Chekote
Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.
No it isn’t.
The big lie is the “sense of humor” argument.
It excuses whatever he says and allows him to spew whatever he wants.
I don’t buy it.
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doubter4444 Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:54:37pm |
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:58:27pm |
If you are arguing that Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t be taken seriously, I have no quarrel with you!
That’s exactly what I am saying. I find him funny and interesting. But he is a satirist. People who looked to him for political leadership are just as foolish as anyone who thinks that Rush is being serious. The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:59:53pm |
re: #217 Chekote
The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.
Trouble is, that is EXACTLY what they are doing.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:01:10pm |
re: #217 Chekote
The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.
But they do. Given this fact, wouldn’t you agree that highlighting the reasons why Rush isn’t a good leader is the responsible thing to do?
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:02:39pm |
re: #215 doubter4444
So don’t listen to him. And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America. That was more absurd than anything Rush has said. The whole idea that one man could put to rest racial tensions, bigotry that has persisted since the beginning of this nation was absurd. The whole idea that partisanship would disappear. Rush was illustrating this absurdity but making absurd comments about Obama’s America.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:04:21pm |
re: #220 Chekote
Huh? Who promised that?Who could possibly deliver that? Even Santa Claus shows up just once a year.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:04:50pm |
re: #219 suchislife
Yes. But not in the way Charles is doing it. Making connections, comparisons between Rush’s satirical comments to serious comments by BNP or RS McCain is unproductive.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:05:47pm |
re: #220 Chekote
And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America.
What better way for Rush to disprove that by race baiting on the school bus incident.
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:07:11pm |
re: #221 pdc_lgf
Obama and his supporters. Oprah, Michelle Obama talking about Obama healing this country. “There is no blue America, red America”. What a bunch of crap! The whole campaign was a bunch of crap (both sides).
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:07:13pm |
re: #222 Chekote
Was R. Limbaugh’s keynote speech to the Republicans satire? Was he granted the podium because his satire is so amusing?
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:08:52pm |
re: #222 Chekote
Do you at all realize how many people on this blog have changed their mind about accepting Beck as a news source and Rush as a leader due to the very things you dismiss without an argument as unproductive?
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Chekote Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:09:28pm |
re: #223 bratwurst
It was not race baiting. It was illustrating that despite electing Obama, there are still “racial” incidents.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:11:06pm |
re: #225 Chekote
red state/blue state - an appeal for national unity. How very unpatriotic.
Nobody voted for Mrs. Obama. Nobody voted for Ms. Winfrey. Furthermore, you are tripping on your own distinctions. On one hand, one mustn’t come down hard on Mr. Limbaugh - he’s a media figure. One mustn’t take him seriously - he’s a media figure. What’s Ms. Winfrey? What’s Mrs. Obama?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:12:00pm |
re: #181 brent
#170 good question…
If you start down the path, how far is too far? The one child policy of China seemed absurd to me until it was real… The idea of abortions to choose the sex of your baby still doesn’t seem real to me. Killing female children because they’re expensive seems way over the top.
It’s all crazy talk, right up to the point where it becomes reality.
Female infanticide goes wayback. And was, BTW something Mohammed forbade.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:13:08pm |
re: #212 Chekote
I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve…
That’s pretty obvious.
I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this.
Somehow I’ll try to carry on despite your disapproval.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:14:58pm |
re: #220 Chekote
So don’t listen to him. And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America. That was more absurd than anything Rush has said. The whole idea that one man could put to rest racial tensions, bigotry that has persisted since the beginning of this nation was absurd. The whole idea that partisanship would disappear. Rush was illustrating this absurdity but making absurd comments about Obama’s America.
Oh for God’s sake. Who promised any such thing? Starry-eyed kids? Pundits with a column to push? Or maybe, Rush Limbaugh, who made bucks ranting about it?
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:15:33pm |
re: #225 Chekote
Obama and his supporters. Oprah, Michelle Obama talking about Obama healing this country. “There is no blue America, red America”. What a bunch of crap! The whole campaign was a bunch of crap (both sides).
Please link. As far as I know, Obama talked about “perfecting the union”, which is an unending process, and they also said that they would try to work on closing the yawning gap between the right and the left that the Bush-administration as well as other people on the right and the left exacerbated. I believe they severely misjudged the right.
I realize that you think he didn’t follow through on this, and I doubt I can convince you otherwise here and now, but that’s what I believe they were saying.
Ending racism? You can’t possibly think they promised that. That would mean that you believe the democratic voters and especially the black community to be brain dead.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:16:32pm |
re: #228 Chekote
It was not race baiting. It was illustrating that despite electing Obama, there are still “racial” incidents.
If you’re seriously suggesting that Obama ran on a platform of ending schoolyard fights on American buses, then, I suppose, he did fail at that.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:16:59pm |
re: #228 Chekote
None of this makes sense, unless you actually believe that a significant portion of the democrats believed Obama would end racism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:18:25pm |
re: #236 suchislife
None of this makes sense, unless you actually believe that a significant portion of the democrats believed Obama would end racism.
I know a lot of Democrats. Most of them expressed at some point during the election some fear that racial tensions might in fact increase in some areas due to an Obama victory.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:18:34pm |
re: #232 Chekote
Besides, do you really want to live in an offensive-free country? I don’t.
That is something I’m truly scared of. Which is why I’ll go outside right now and insult a random minority person.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:20:33pm |
re: #232 Chekote
Do you realize how many people have dropped LFG?
Yes. It’s pretty scary to stand against the tide, right?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:22:44pm |
re: #232 Chekote
Do you realize how many people have dropped LFG?
Less than the number of people LGF has picked up. Traffic is up, so those leaving have been replaced and then some. This little stalker talking point is false.
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TedStriker Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:25:08pm |
re: #48 Honorary Yooper
They’re waiting until Charles posts another thread. Then watch them come out of the woodwork. Flouncers, recently, have been waiting for the overnight threads. They see it as their chance to get the flounce up for as long as possible for the buddies to gawk at.
Then we have the socks people like to use.
Like (the now banned HA troll/sock) F15Mech tried the other night…waited till about 0230-0300 CDT to probe our defenses, because they wanted to do to us what KT did to HA (I guess they’re pissed they have to resort to code to post bigoted/racist crap over there). The only problem with that (that they apparently never caught on) is that every post they made was nuked right after it was posted…I loved tweaking its nose for an hour or so, it was fun.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:27:26pm |
re: #241 Chekote
Nobody on this thread is pretending there was no talk. There were the usual folks with columns to write who were hyping nonsense.
The only thing being diminished here is the credibility of the assertion that we’re being very sad and bad boys and girls by using the tactics of calling a spade a spade.
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suchislife Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:27:42pm |
re: #234 suchislife
And will you next quote “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” as proof that he thinks he’s the Messiah? It’s a call to action, obviously. It means be the change. Don’t wait for a savior.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:28:24pm |
re: #232 Chekote
Buh bye now! I’m going to help you avoid seeing your idol criticized by blocking your account, and thereby remove your temptation to continue posting stupid comments at LGF. No need to thank me.
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XopXproxyX Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:29:03pm |
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TedStriker Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:33:00pm |
re: #246 Charles
Buh bye now! I’m going to help you avoid seeing your idol criticized by blocking your account, and thereby remove your temptation to continue posting stupid comments at LGF. No need to thank me.
The way that one was prattling on, they’ll be on a stalker site soon (if not already)…quite sad when people take leave of their senses.
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:37:20pm |
re: #249 talon_262
What’s a stalker site?
It reaches a point where a person’s postings become an insult to the pixels on the screen. I actually though we were going to go from point A, to point B, to point C, …, and with some luck, maybe get halfway to point D. Instead, it was point A, to point B, back to point A.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:44:40pm |
re: #240 Sharmuta
Less than the number of people LGF has picked up. Traffic is up, so those leaving have been replaced and then some. This little stalker talking point is false.
Amazing how many people find a discussion more enjoyable than an echo chamber.
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oldegeezr Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:50:20pm |
re: #187 Chekote
“Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?”
Chekote, it wasn’t the govmint! It was the millionaire owners that planted Rush’s dreams on the left side of nightmare swamp.
Limbaugh has a rather large community [perhaps 23 %…?] that is copasetic with his vision and political persuasion?
Rush, has a fine handle on those demoralized, disenfranchised right wing folks…that are out of political relevance in congress just now. He’ll work ‘em, till hell freezes over…and they’ll believe everything El Rushbo says…!
That certainly simplifies their lives; if mental simplicity makes ‘em happy… how about you?
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pdc_lgf Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:52:42pm |
re: #249 talon_262
I googled it. I understand broadly speaking what a stalker site is, according to a very literal definition.
What I’m asking is what’s a stalker site for a website? Please, I don’t want URLs. Is a stalker site for LGF a place where disgruntled folks go to vent and work themselves up over the things that happen here?
Some folks have way too much time on their hands.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:59:15pm |
re: #253 pdc_lgf
Yes, that’s exactly it. It’s where people who’ve been banned here go to complain to each other about their banning, and telling each other that they were what used to be good about the place that didn’t want them anymore.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:00:50pm |
re: #254 sagehen
It’s where people who’ve been banned here go …
The largest of which we’ve titled: The Blog of the Damned.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:03:22pm |
re: #212 Chekote
That’s Rush’s usual tone. People think I am angry all the time because I have a tendency to raise my voice when I get passionate about something. To each their own. Rush is obviously not your cup of tea. I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve by making comparisons between what a self-described satirist who says he illustrates the absurd by being absurd says with people like RS McCain and BNP who are being totally serious. I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this. I say this as a fan and someone who shares many of your values and opinions.
Just because you describe yourself as a satirist doesn’t mean you’re not race-baiting and hateful and using vicious language to draw in an audience. I can describe myself as a unicorn, doesn’t make it so.
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lastlaugh Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:05:13pm |
re: #182 Chekote
All I am saying is that the alarmist talk is unwarranted. I remember all the predictions of the “nuclear winter”. T
Well we didn’t have nuclear winter because there was never a nuclear war.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:07:24pm |
re: #253 pdc_lgf
I googled it. I understand broadly speaking what a stalker site is, according to a very literal definition.
What I’m asking is what’s a stalker site for a website? Please, I don’t want URLs. Is a stalker site for LGF a place where disgruntled folks go to vent and work themselves up over the things that happen here?
Some folks have way too much time on their hands.
Basically, a bunch of emasculated former LGF posters want REVENNNGE!! because they feel powerless and angry that they weren’t allowed to continue to be nasty/racist/abusive/whiny/etc on LGF.
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