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1 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:02:03am

Sometimes Rush just needs to STFU.

2 Baier  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:03:55am

re: #1 sngnsgt

Sometimes Rush just needs to STFU.

3 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #2 Baier

I stand corrected, thanks.

4 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:03am

I’ve never been a fan of Rush Limbaugh. This just adds to the file cabinet in my mind the fact that I won’t ever be a fan of his.

Hey Rush, how would it feel if someone told you that you should kill yourself because of a dissenting opinion? Actually, my guess is you wouldn’t care because the press about it would send you more listeners…

5 Baier  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:45am

re: #3 sngnsgt

I stand corrected, thanks.

He wont STFU until he can’t generate any ad dollars, unfortunately.

6 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:09:47am

I wonder if Bush was sitting next to Rush laughing.

7 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #6 Ben Hur

Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)

8 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:14:00am

What was the URL of Revkin’s blog again?

9 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:14:13am

Hrmm… I just checked over at the other site to see what was going on.

Apparently, I’m an “asshole” for a previous post on the last thread because of a simple thought I had, and it was someone that I had respected while they were still a member of LGF.

I have never attacked anyone for moving to another blog, or deciding that LGF was no longer a place they wanted to post. I still won’t, but it really is a sad state of affairs.

10 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:15:04am

re: #7 J.S.
Was easy to find them…They were missing at least one shoe!

11 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:17:12am

re: #7 J.S.

Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:18:11am

Maybe it was just a form of respect, like in the Life of Brian…

13 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:20:00am

And my last post on the matter, to the one at the other site who seems to now consider me to be an enemy.

I don’t have idols. I’m sorry we don’t see eye to eye. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors, and hope some day we may talk with rational discourse. Until then, have a good life.

No sarcasm.

14 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:22:18am

He has a son serving in the IDF, I did not know that.

15 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:22:20am

re: #8 Conservative Moonbat

It’s here..

16 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:22:27am

From the link at the top:

Revkin has received angry hate mail and telephone messages. He wants Limbaugh to apologize to the rest of his family — especially his older son, a regular Limbaugh listener who is, Revkin says, currently serving in the Israeli military.

Anyone want to bet on whether there’s an apology from Rush to his fan?

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:23:09am

re: #7 J.S.

Speaking of George W Bush, he was in Montreal…(a group of protesters were, of course, throwing shoes — towards the hotel in which GWBush was staying — such class…Two got arrested.)

Insanity.

18 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:23:22am

re: #10 reloadingisnotahobby

Was easy to find them…They were missing at least one shoe!

Sock and Awe!

19 Kragar  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:24:35am

re: #6 Ben Hur

I wonder if Bush was sitting next to Rush laughing.

Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.

///

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:25:05am

re: #9 MrSilverDragon

someone that I had respected while they were still a member of LGF.

I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.

21 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.

///

Then no one got the joke.

22 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ben, I know this is going to hard for you, but the stalkers say you’ll have to stay over here. Be strong.

///

I am Ben Hur.

I need no approval for my opinions from anyone.

I am a Lone Wolf and a equal opportunity annoyer.

23 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:28:36am

Here’s Revkin’s blog for those who haven’t seen it:

[Link: dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com…]

24 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:29:21am

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

They (the protesters) are claiming that GW’s “a terrorist” and, of course, a “war criminal” etc. They act as if GW Bush is still President of the United States and that this is the year 2003… (The Prime Minister of Canada, today, is being quoted as saying that his television news/political channel of choice is not domestic — I believe he was suggesting that he doesn’t watch the CBC — he prefers to view international news channels (CNN?)…)

25 Kragar  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:31:27am

re: #20 wrenchwench

I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.

Just remember the rules for the internet and you’ll be fine.

26 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:33:07am

An interesting view into Obama’s strategy…

Obama strategy: Marginalize critics

They see an opportunity to corner critics of the president’s policies, especially on health care and financial regulations, and, in the process, further marginalize the Republican Party.

Privately, officials have talked with relish for months of the potential to isolate the GOP as a narrow party of white, Southern conservatives with little appeal to independent-minded voters.

This won’t happen overnight, but a combination of demographics — especially the explosion of a Hispanic population that has been voting for Democrats — the near-extinction of Republicans in the Northeast and the steady rightward drift of the GOP’s grass-roots activists at least makes it a plausible goal.

By design or not, nearly every Republican whom Obama has nominated for a White House job — Ray LaHood for Transportation, Judd Gregg for Commerce and John McHugh for the Army — represents an area Democrats can take back if the sitting Republican is gone. None is from the South.

So is the strategy working? White House officials point to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll to argue the answer is emphatically yes. Only 20 percent of those surveyed identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest in 26 years of asking the question.

27 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:33:53am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just remember the rules for the internet and you’ll be fine.

I am aware of all internet traditions!

/there are rules?

28 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:34:56am

re: #20 wrenchwench

I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.

Ok, I guess I lied in my previous comment. I do have more to post on the matter… One thing, the exchange we had across blogs does reinforce my comment on the earlier thread, that disagreement leads to hate and not rational discussion, as I have been downgraded to “dumb asshole”. I still continue to wish them a happy life and will not harbor ill will. We disagree, and I guess that’s how the story ends.

29 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:37:31am

re: #20 wrenchwench

I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.

Ditto.

30 Kragar  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #27 wrenchwench

I am aware of all internet traditions!

/there are rules?

Of course there are rules.

31 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:39:42am

re: #22 Ben Hur

I am Ben Hur.

I need no approval for my opinions from anyone.

I am a Lone Wolf and a equal opportunity annoyer.

And if they piss you off you can run them over with a chariot too.

32 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #29 reine.de.tout

Ditto.

Don’t use that term on this thread!

33 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #6 Ben Hur

I wonder if Bush was sitting next to Rush laughing.

…???…

34 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:50am

re: #32 Ben Hur

Don’t use that term on this thread!

crap!
What was I thinking?
re: #20 wrenchwench

I continue to be disappointed by both the people who left here, and my inability to judge a person on the internet.

Change my earlier “ditto”, to “agreed”.
(that should fix it.)

35 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:42:55am

re: #32 Ben Hur

Don’t use that term on this thread!

Not our fault Rush’s listeners use the word when they really mean “megadildos”.

36 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:44:12am

re: #28 MrSilverDragon

Don’t fret too much about it. Those wonderful former commentors show how classless they are every time they open their mouths.

37 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:45:35am

I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.

38 badger1970  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:46:05am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

1) It’s a Washington Post poll

2) I’m glad the White House can claim victory over the domestic opposition while hem-hawing on Afghanistan.

The GOP has been helping the White House cause but as a conservative (fiscal), Rush has never spoken for me. He’s a $100 million dollar sob, a Howard Stern w/o the sex.

I miss RWR. *sniff*

39 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:47:28am

re: #37 wrenchwench

I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.

Maybe he has an “Ida wasn’t ‘the missing link’ so you GDCH Darwinists are all wrong!!1!11!” comment warmed up in the bullpen?

40 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:47:43am

re: #37 wrenchwench

I guess all the Limbaugh flouncers have either been flushed out, or they are waiting for the next post to go up to give them “cover”. Except for “dogggy”, who hasn’t found his way over from the last thread yet. Maybe he’s waiting for an evolution post.

“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”

41 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:28am

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

Don’t fret too much about it. Those wonderful former commentors show how classless they are every time they open their mouths.

No fretting here, just sad about how things are playing out, that’s all. Losing friends, even virtual ones, never feels good.

42 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:29am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

An interesting view into Obama’s strategy…

Obama strategy: Marginalize critics

That’s why the WH isn’t concerned about their own approval numbers dropping. Even if underwhelmed Republicans don’t vote for the party candidate they don’t need to necessarily move over to the Democrats. If they are disenchanted into either a) not voting or b) going 3rd party, that’s still a win for Democrats.

43 Kragar  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #40 reine.de.tout

“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”

Cthulhu.

44 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cthulhu.

I’m going to have to study up on this Cthulhu dude (or dudette).

45 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:22am

re: #40 reine.de.tout

“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”

Is the Egg an creationist flouncer and the chicken a Limbaugh flouncer? Or vice versa?

46 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:49:43am

re: #45 ArchangelMichael

Is the Egg an creationist flouncer and the chicken a Limbaugh flouncer? Or vice versa?

Exactly!
Glad somebody gets it.

47 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #21 Ben Hur

Then no one got the joke.

Story of my life.

48 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #37 wrenchwench

They’re waiting until Charles posts another thread. Then watch them come out of the woodwork. Flouncers, recently, have been waiting for the overnight threads. They see it as their chance to get the flounce up for as long as possible for the buddies to gawk at.

Then we have the socks people like to use.

49 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:55:22am

re: #41 MrSilverDragon

No fretting here, just sad about how things are playing out, that’s all. Losing friends, even virtual ones, never feels good.

No, no it never does.

50 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:55:27am

re: #40 reine.de.tout

“Which came first - the chicken or the egg?”

Which one is saying “I’m sorry, but you know that people can just get overanxious at times.”? There’s your answer!

51 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:57:18am

Back to the subject at hand, I dislike seeing headlines that tell me how to think of a person. Just tell me the story, I’ll decide if I think he’s innovative or not.

53 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:58:22am
If he really thinks that humanity is destroying the planet…

Right, this must the work of those damn dolphins.

//

54 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:59:04am

re: #52 SteveC

There’s a lot of stupid to go around when it comes to vaccinations.

55 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:59:11am

I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.

But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.

56 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:59:30am
57 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #55 CommonCents

I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.

But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.

Except me!
/

58 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #52 SteveC

What’s the one thing Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, and Louis Farrakhan agree on?

Your link suggests to me it’s not a quiz. But I would guess they all agree “it’s nice to get PAID”

59 Irenicum  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:24pm

OT/ Here’s some more bad crazy going on, now as a video game! And down the rabbit hole they go…

60 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:00:50pm

re: #55 CommonCents

I listen to Rush and I’ll continue to listen to him. I won’t defend all his comments because I don’t agree with them all.

But if I quit listening to everyone who ever said anything objectionable, I wouldn’t be listening to anyone.

Obama thanks you for your service.

61 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:01pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Except me!
/

Of course. Except you.
///

62 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #38 badger1970

1) It’s a Washington Post poll


Here’s a better write up on the topic.
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com…]

63 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:33pm

re: #59 Irenicum

OT/ Here’s some more bad crazy going on, now as a video game! And down the rabbit hole they go…

I believe Charles posted something about this some time last week.

64 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Obama thanks you for your service.

That would be a brief conversation and I doubt it would end with “thank you”.

65 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Obama thanks you has you on the watch list for your service.

ftfy

//

66 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:03:00pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

There’s a lot of stupid to go around when it comes to vaccinations.

It’s like Pesto on a sandwich, spread it on thick!

67 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #53 JasonA

Right, this must the work of those damn dolphins.

//

Those damn Nike-wearing dolphins!

68 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:03:20pm
69 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:04:07pm

Rush is a free American and as such he can speak say whatever he wants. Besides, it is so obvious that people here don’t get Rush’s humor. He illustrates the absurd by being absurd. All this fuss about Rush reminds me when Dems took to the floor of the House quoting Rush saying that he wanted to feed cat food to seniors. The man was joking and the fools took him seriously.

70 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:04:59pm

Well folks, it’s time for me to head home to the beautiful woman who was willing to let me give her my heart for eternity.

I wish all of you, and I mean all of you, a good night and a pleasant tomorrow.

71 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:05:17pm
72 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:05:19pm
73 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:05:24pm

re: #68 Pepper Fox

That’s just as bad as Rush mocking children dying from H1N1 or suggesting Revkin kill himself.

74 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:06:03pm

CHARLES ,, sorry ,,, 71 has to go

My bad


REPLY ,,,not QUOTE

75 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:06:25pm

re: #70 MrSilverDragon

Well folks, it’s time for me to head home to the beautiful woman who was willing to let me give her my heart for eternity

Damn! You’ve got a portable Heart/Lung unit?! Let’s talk, we can make some money!

76 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:06:41pm

Ah nuts. My first deletion.

77 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #69 Chekote

OK. What was absurd about Revkin’s article?

78 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #69 Chekote

Rush is a free American and as such he can speak say whatever he wants. Besides, it is so obvious that people here don’t get Rush’s humor. He illustrates the absurd by being absurd. All this fuss about Rush reminds me when Dems took to the floor of the House quoting Rush saying that he wanted to feed cat food to seniors. The man was joking and the fools took him seriously.

It was satire!11!!
/Yeah, sure whatever. Rush has said so many idiotic and repulsive things as to render your defense meaningless.

79 Irenicum  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:09:44pm

re: #63 bosforus

Huh, I musta missed that. I just now noticed it on Orion’s twitter page when the retweeted the Mother Jones piece. Do you recall what day Charles posted that?

80 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:10:01pm

re: #76 JasonA

Ah nuts. My first deletion.

No big deal, just reply rather than quote anything you think might cause Stinky to open a Can of Whup-Ass®.

81 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #76 JasonA

Ah nuts. My first deletion.

Walk it off.

82 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:46pm

The NPR interview was very compelling, Rush owes Revkin an apology for misrepresenting his work and views.

83 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:11:51pm

I can’t stand RL.

I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.

84 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:13:17pm

re: #80 ArchangelMichael

No big deal, just reply rather than quote anything you think might cause Stinky to open a Can of Whup-Ass®.

Ever seen the safety Warning on a can of WhoopAss?

1) Do not open can indoors.
2) Do not open can when pointing at face.
3) Never shake can before opening.
GOOD F’N LUCK!

85 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:13:59pm

re: #77 pdc_lgf

The same old idea that people are inherently bad, harmful to the environment. How many predictions have we had through the centuries that the world will not be able to handle the growing human population? We are are not inherently bad for the environment. We are part, a product of this world. The alarmists are just as absurd as Rush’s comment suggesting that he kill himself. I think it is funny. Others do not. But they again, every man I know thinks that the Three Stooges were funny. I never did.

86 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:08pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I can’t stand RL.

I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.

How about eliminating the standard dependent deduction, then?

87 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:09pm

re: #81 The Sanity Inspector

Walk it off.

Never coached football, have you? You’re supposed to slap him on the butt when you tell him to walk it off!

88 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #76 JasonA

re: #81 The Sanity Inspector

Walk it off.

Rub dirt on it

(((why did every Little League manager tell you to do that???!!)!))

89 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I can’t stand RL.

I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.

It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well. Guilty until proven innocent, if it’s even possible to do so.

90 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #83 Ojoe

“As I put it in the Wilson event: “Should you get credit — if we’re going to become carbon-centric — for having a one-child family when you could have had two or three. And obviously it’s just a thought experiment, but it raises some interesting questions about all this.”

He’s not recommending it. Do you find receiving money for having children - specifically the tax deduction - objectionable as well?

91 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:15:08pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I can’t stand RL.

I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.

On what higher ground do the people who think these things up stand, that they are qualified to move the rest of us around like pieces on a chessboard?

92 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:16:20pm

re: #86 SixDegrees

How about eliminating the standard dependent deduction, then?

Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it

(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))

93 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I can’t stand RL.

I also do not like the idea of carbon credit payments for not having kids, because it equates a person per se with money, and it more than faintly reminds me of buying and selling people.

I’m amazed that anyone could make such an incredibly far-fetched connection between incentives to have smaller families — and buying and selling people.

You’re comparing contraception to slavery. Are you sure you want to defend this position?

94 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:17:10pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.

95 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:09pm

re: #89 ArchangelMichael

It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well.

Then I saw her face, now I’m a polluter
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I’m in love, I’m a polluter!
I couldn’t leave her if I tried.

96 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:41pm

re: #85 Chekote

My kids hated the Three Stooges.

The article doesn’t say humans are bad. He says what he says. He says giving people something they want would be a cost-effective C02 policy. That’s pretty much all he’s saying.

97 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #94 Chekote

Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.

Back at the time or it’s original airing, they were!

98 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #94 Chekote

Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.

There was absolutely nothing even remotely humorous about Limbaugh’s rant against Andrew Revkin. He compared environmentalists to suicide bombers, then told Revkin to go kill himself — and he did it with a very angry tone of voice. Trying to paint this as “humor” is completely ridiculous.

99 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:24pm

I think he’s just making a larger point that we can’t — and don’t want to — disincentivize all carbon-increasing activities.

100 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:35pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it

(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))

the “standard deduction” is not a “reward” - by that reasoning, you are saying the government “rewards” people by allowing them to keep more of their hard-earned money if they have children to raise. How is it the government’s money to use as a “reward” to begin with? I’ve earned it; it’s my money, and the tax laws allow me to keep more of it if I have more people to support.
Besides which, it doesn’t come anywhere close to being what it costs to raise a child.

101 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:43pm

re: #93 Charles

I’m amazed that anyone could make such an incredibly far-fetched connection between incentives to have smaller families — and buying and selling people.

You’re comparing contraception to slavery. Are you sure you want to defend this position?

I never saw anything in Ojoe’s comment that equated contracetption and slavery. He said that he does not like the carbon credits for not having kids thing. I agree with him on that. It stinks. It places a price on a human being, a cost.

102 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it

(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))

The Devil is an idiot then. With something like 7 billion people on the planet, an individual choice not to have children does not place the species in imminent danger of extinction.

103 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:35pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

Besides which, it doesn’t come anywhere close to being what it costs to raise a child.

Who YOU tellin!!!

//

I have a 15 year old boy in a private High School!!

104 badger1970  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #90 pdc_lgf

Kids “cost” a hell of lot more than the measly amount the feds allow to take off.

*now if I can figure out a way to make my dog dependent* /

105 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #94 Chekote

Look, I never got Stern’s humor, The Three Stooges and many others. But I do make a distinction between humor falling flat and someone (like the BNP or Robert S. McCain) who is being completely serious. Based on some of the threads here the writers of All in the Family would be deemed “racists, homophobes, etc”.

You thought that rant against Revkin was humorous?!

106 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #102 aagcobb

The Devil is an idiot then. With something like 7 billion people on the planet, an individual choice not to have children does not place the species in imminent danger of extinction.

Yes! We are all individuals!

/Life of Brian.

107 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:21:59pm

Speaking of children,…

Peoria police are looking for a father suspected of running down his daughter because she was becoming too “westernized” and was not living according to their traditional Iraqi values.

Peoria police say 48-year-old Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale allegedly ran his daughter down Tuesday at an Arizona Department of Economic Security parking lot in Peoria.

“When I walked out the door I saw two ladies on the ground, so my first thought was some kind of domestic dispute,” says witness Synthia Diaz.

The victim, 20-year-old Noor Faleh Almaleki of Surprise, is hospitalized with life-threatening injuries.


SNIP

108 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:05pm

Weren’t warmest years in the late 90s? Wasn’t 2008 cooler than the previous year? Haven’t carbon levels continued to rise every year? I think that is right. My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that carbon is the sole cause of the warming. Yet, you got people calling for reducing population and acting like the world is about to end. It is fricken’ 2YK all over again. I am tired of the alarmists. They are absurd. As absurd as Rush’s comment. Except that Rush knows he is being absurd while the others are being completely serious about the world ending.

109 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:15pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

Again, I’m only asking a question. Two families alike in every respect. Except one family has more children - hence more deductions. I don’t find that objectionable. I find it reasonable. But that wasn’t being discussed. What was being discussed is a relationship between kids and money - which was somehow a horrible thing to even contemplate.

110 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:22:21pm

re: #104 badger1970

Kids “cost” a hell of lot more than the measly amount the feds allow to take off.

This Health Scare bill ought to prove to you that Congress can’t estimate costs worth a damn!

111 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:23:44pm

re: #108 Chekote

My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that carbon is the sole cause of the warming.


No scientist is saying that carbon is the only variable that affects climate.

112 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:23:44pm

re: #101 Honorary Yooper

I never saw anything in Ojoe’s comment that equated contracetption and slavery. He said that he does not like the carbon credits for not having kids thing. I agree with him on that. It stinks. It places a price on a human being, a cost.

Then you have to oppose the standard deduction for dependents, because that puts a cost on a human being as well, just in the opposite direction.

113 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:01pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species while the other rewards people for ending it

(((NOTE ,,, I’m NOT saying that is my view ,,, I’m playing Devils Advocate)))

Easy to find a middle ground. Allow a single deduction, maybe two, maybe some declining amount per each additional child.

Just pointing out that we already assign a dollar value to children.

114 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:19pm
115 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:37pm

re: #97 sattv4u2


They were not. They used comedy for social commentary. I hope we are not heading for a completely humorless world.

116 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:24:55pm

re: #112 aagcobb

Then you have to oppose the standard deduction for dependents, because that puts a cost on a human being as well, just in the opposite direction.

I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.

117 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:25:54pm

re: #111 lastlaugh

Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.

118 simoom  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:01pm

Heh, I just watched this clip from last night’s Greta Van Susteren’s Fox show:

Van Susteren: There is breaking news in the White House war on Fox News. In case you though it was only Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Presidential Advisor David Axelrod and Communications Director Anita Dunn who conspired to take on Fox News, think again. It turns out President Obama knows all about it.

Hyperbole much?

Reminds me of this Newsweek column - [Link: www.newsweek.com…]

Last week, when White House Communications Director Anita Dunn charged the Fox News Channel with right-wing bias, Fox responded the way it always does. It denied the accusation with a straight face while proceeding to confirm it with its coverage.
119 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #114 SteveC

This is Peoria, not Iraq. You’re in our house, you play by our rules.

Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?

120 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:52pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Looking at it that way, you can say it’s because one rewards people for propagating the species tax base while the other rewards people for ending it. […]

FTFY

121 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:26:54pm

re: #115 Chekote

They were not. They used comedy for social commentary. I hope we are not heading for a completely humorless world.

Sorry ,, but your incorrect. There was outrage (no ,, not rioting in the streets or anything to that degree) but when that show 1st aired it broke MANY TV Taboos for the 1st time. It was VERY cutting edge for it’s time and some ,,, SOME, did call it racist, homophobic, etc, not being able to delineate “Archie Bunker” from an actual person

122 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?

I thought they had “Father Chasing Disobedient Daughter With Car” traffic signs over there.

123 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?

I would hope so!

124 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:29:18pm

re: #116 Honorary Yooper

I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.

You’ll find a whole lot of politicians and others in Washington who completely agree with you - except for the lower taxes part. Look for a push to eliminate many deductions while keeping tax rates the same in coming months to avoid the charge that Congress is raising taxes. They are desperate for revenue, and have completely forgotten that there’s another alternative: reducing spending.

125 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:29:34pm

I can’t joke about someone being run down with a car.

126 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:13pm

I don’t think there is a White House war on news. What I do see however (and it is illustrated quite well in the previous thread) is an attempt by both ends of the political spectrum to use the media as a propaganda arm for their pet causes. This is disturbing and bipartisan bad bahavior.

The press carries some of the blame for claiming to be unbiased then allowing themselves to be tuned into larger than life editorials for or against any given issue.

When was the last time you read an MSM article or saw a cable news show and got the facts and nothing but the facts ma’am on the news page?

127 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:20pm

re: #117 Chekote

Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.

There’s someone downstairs you need to talk to.

128 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:44pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.

129 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #127 SixDegrees

There’s someone downstairs you need to talk to.

Satan?

131 Locker  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:31:36pm

re: #126 DaddyG

I don’t think there is a White House war on news. What I do see however (and it is illustrated quite well in the previous thread) is an attempt by both ends of the political spectrum to use the media as a propaganda arm for their pet causes. This is disturbing and bipartisan bad bahavior.

The press carries some of the blame for claiming to be unbiased then allowing themselves to be tuned into larger than life editorials for or against any given issue.

When was the last time you read an MSM article or saw a cable news show and got the facts and nothing but the facts ma’am on the news page?

If that’s what I’m looking for I normally turn to Jim Lehrer (The News Hour) on PBS. It’s the best I’ve found.

132 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #116 Honorary Yooper

I’ve wondered for a while now if we wouldn’t be better off removing a lot of the deductions in the tax codes. Lower taxes across the board and remove deductions.

It would put a lot of lawyers and accountants out of work! I agree with you, however deductions would start creeping back into the tax code because its an easy and popular way to do something.

133 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:22pm

re: #130 The Sanity Inspector

Horrible. Assimilate already, you old fart.

HE did assimilate. (at least externally)

The problem is that SHE assimilated.

134 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Wouldn’t this also be illegal in Iraq?

More to the point, would a law against it be enforced? It’s illegal to torch churches in Pakistan too, but…

135 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:47pm

re: #128 Chekote

Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.

Facepalm. I get it, you’ll defend Rush no matter what he says, all in the guise that is was just satire. What a convenient and all-encompassing defense you got there.
GAZE.

136 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #128 Chekote

Who ever suggested that Obama’s election would do that? I read that all the time. Could you link to one single politician or pundit on the left who said that?

137 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #129 Ben Hur

Satan?

Not that far downstairs.

138 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:23pm

re: #137 SixDegrees

Not that far downstairs.

LOL!

139 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #136 suchislife

I’ll take the downding back if you find one.

140 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #127 SixDegrees

Hey, I grew up and Italy and have been told all my life that Venice was about to disappear any minute. Decades later it is still there. Yes, we have a problem. But the alarmist rhetoric is not helping. I think it is destructive.

141 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:34:05pm

If she had just assimmilated a bit more and purchased a hand gun… [self deleted]

(ok not kosher) I don’t care what your religion or tradition is: wanting to control your child is not love it is selfishness that breeds hate.

142 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:34:25pm

re: #136 suchislife

Who ever suggested that Obama’s election would do that? I read that all the time. Could you link to one single politician or pundit on the left who said that?

I guess from the people you read it from all the time.

143 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:16pm

re: #142 Ben Hur

Sorry, I didn’t understand that.

144 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #117 Chekote

Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.

I think you miss my point. Its not the only variable, but it is a very important one, one that can have a devastating impact, and one that humans can control to a large extent.

145 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:40pm

re: #140 Chekote

Hey, I grew up and Italy and have been told all my life that Venice was about to disappear any minute. Decades later it is still there. Yes, we have a problem. But the alarmist rhetoric is not helping. I think it is destructive.

I agree. It’s rare to win over converts when you start by accusing your target of being an idiot and proclaiming that you’re right and he’s wrong, with no middle ground to walk across.

146 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:35:58pm

re: #109 pdc_lgf

Again, I’m only asking a question. Two families alike in every respect. Except one family has more children - hence more deductions. I don’t find that objectionable. I find it reasonable. But that wasn’t being discussed. What was being discussed is a relationship between kids and money - which was somehow a horrible thing to even contemplate.

My response to Satt was limited to just his comment.

But … to your other question:
Revkin’s thought, all by itself, to offer incentives for smaller families, is innocuous.

But what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?

In the thread here the other day, we had somebody actually move from the idea of “incentives for smaller families” to the idea that governmental disincentives (penalties) for larger families could be a good thing.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

If the conversation in a thread here at LGF can move away from Revkin’s idea so quickly, what is to keep governmental policy-makers from doing the same thing?

I think here, in this country, such a move is highly unlikely. But how unlikely is it in other countries, and is it a good thing for governments to penalize people for having families?

147 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:36:54pm

Wow- I have the number one comment yesterday. That’s a first for me.

Of course it wasn’t one of my well thought out *cough* insightful *cough* comments, but an “Escape From New York” joke.

148 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #146 reine.de.tout

If the conversation in a thread here at LGF can move away from Revkin’s idea so quickly, what is to keep governmental policy-makers from doing the same thing?

I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.

149 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:17pm

re: #143 suchislife

Sorry, I didn’t understand that.

Not important.

150 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:38:29pm

To his credit Hannity had two doctors on his show yesterday talking about how all the fears about vaccines are unfounded. Now this is total lunancy and the idea that people should “choose” not the be vaccinated is nonsense. Smallpox, polio would still be with us had not been for forcing people to get vaccines.

151 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:31pm

re: #146 reine.de.tout

Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?

152 Kragar  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:36pm

re: #147 DaddyG

Wow- I have the number one comment yesterday. That’s a first for me.

Of course it wasn’t one of my well thought out *cough* insightful *cough* comments, but an “Escape From New York” joke.

You’re the A number 1, the Duke of New York

153 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:39:40pm

re: #146 reine.de.tout

China. One Child Policy. Punishment for violations includes extremely large fines, and in many cases mandatory sterilization.

It’s already been done.

154 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:03pm

re: #148 suchislife

I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.


…or return to the chambers and work with each other for 6 years at a time. Blogs are rabbit trail heaven and the perfect forum for politically astute ADD sufferers.

155 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:28pm

re: #151 pdc_lgf

Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?

Goodness!
No, it’s not bad to think thoughts.
Are you arguing that it’s bad to point out problems and potential flaws?

156 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:30pm

re: #90 pdc_lgf

The tax deduction is not the same, it is a positive thing and it does not assume your child is bad for the planet.

157 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:40:30pm

re: #144 lastlaugh

I am not missing the point. But do you really think that running around screaming that the world will end tomorrow is productive? I don’t. Especially since the science is rather complex. It is not cut and dry carbon=higher temperatures. Other factors can bring down temperatures despite higher carbon levels.

158 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:41:07pm

re: #117 Chekote

Exactly. I am tired of the whole “the world is going to end”. Should we protect the enviroment? Absolutely. Let’s stop the hysterics. They are absurd and counterproductive.

Fear is the most effective motivator for human beings, followed closely by greed.

159 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:41:12pm

re: #148 suchislife

I do think that anonymous conversations on a political blog make faster and wider leaps than policy debates among politicians who would like to be reelected.

Good point, could very well be true.

160 simoom  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:30pm

Science Daily: Presidential Election Outcome Changed Voters’ Testosterone

Young men who voted for Republican John McCain or Libertarian candidate Robert Barr in the 2008 presidential election suffered an immediate drop in testosterone when the election results were announced, according to a study by researchers at Duke University and the University of Michigan.

In contrast, men who voted for the winner, Democrat Barack Obama, had stable testosterone levels immediately after the outcome.

They also note the women in the study were unaffected :P.

161 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:45pm

Just what we need, a more complex tax code!

How about credit for not eating, not driving, not passing gas?

/sarcasm. Being absurd.

162 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:48pm

re: #158 Bagua

Fear is the most effective motivator for human beings, followed closely by greed.


Pain avoidance is #1 with a bullet.

163 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #93 Charles

I am not not comparing contraception to slavery. But putting a money value on people, and then trading it perhaps as a “carbon credit.” That part is similar if you ask me.

164 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #157 Chekote

That may be true, but there’s no reason to believe those larger factors will be large enough to counter carbon.

165 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:44:36pm

re: #160 simoom

Science Daily: Presidential Election Outcome Changed Voters’ Testosterone


They also note the women in the study were unaffected :P.

Could it be that those who had already lost their balls prior to the election were unaffected while the rest of the population didn’t have their levels drop until the election castrated them? //

166 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:45:31pm

re: #146 reine.de.tout

Revkin’s thought, all by itself, to offer incentives for smaller families, is innocuous.

Actually, I don’t really see where you’re going after this. Of course, every innocuous thought can be twisted and turned into something else. That doesn’t make it any less innocuous.
Sometimes, a thought may seem innocuous, but it is really a dog whistle, or it has ramifications not readilily visible, or it deliberately or not relies on and feeds an already existing racist or otherwise bad tradition. So it’s really not innocuous. I don’t see how that is the case here.

167 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:05pm

Let’s cut down on breathing! One breath every 30 seconds. Let’s establish the Office of Breathing Control.

168 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:33pm

Correction: That may be true, but there’s no reason to believe those other factors will be large enough to counter carbon.


Edit: I apologize, I have to get back to work now, lunch is over.

169 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:46:37pm

We’re still not looking into a potentially serious anthropological global warming source as seriously as we could be. Why aren’t we calling Taco Bell and other Mexican fast food franchises to account for the tons of methane their products generate every day? //

170 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #166 suchislife

Actually, I don’t really see where you’re going after this. Of course, every innocuous thought can be twisted and turned into something else. That doesn’t make it any less innocuous.
Sometimes, a thought may seem innocuous, but it is really a dog whistle, or it has ramifications not readilily visible, or it deliberately or not relies on and feeds an already existing racist or otherwise bad tradition. So it’s really not innocuous. I don’t see how that is the case here.

Well, my next line in that same comment is where I was going after that:

what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?

171 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #163 Ojoe

So, then, would you be in favor of dumping any carbon-credit scheme and going with, say, a carbon tax? That way we don’t have to worry about trading lives, no?

172 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:48:47pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

Well, then that would be the end of that idea, and they would have to find another one, which might then again be innocuous or not.

173 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:49:28pm

re: #151 pdc_lgf

Are you arguing that it’s bad to think thoughts? If so, what should folks think?

I already answered once, but to add to my response:

No, it’s not bad to think thoughts, and I actually had a thought of my own.
My thought was this:

what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?

174 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:00pm

re: #167 Chekote

Dude… how Limbaugh-like of you.

/that wasn’t a compliment

175 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:18pm

re: #172 suchislife

Though this is very close to arguing for arguments sake, on my part. I don’t even think this is a good idea. Sorry. Got carried away.

176 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:31pm

re: #169 DaddyG

We’re still not looking into a potentially serious anthropological global warming source as seriously as we could be. Why aren’t we calling Taco Bell and other Mexican fast food franchises to account for the tons of methane their products generate every day? //

You joke and yet… demonizing meet is very much part of the Greenie agenda.

177 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:50:41pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

And the today’s Pretentious Windbag Award goes to … me!

Here’s what I wrote last night, about Sarah Palin:

She’s a fad. It’s a variant of Rep. Bachmann’s “blood oath” nonsense. Or joining an organization called Oath Keepers - to take an oath, forswearing something you wouldn’t do anyway. “I solemnly swear I won’t stick a knitting needle in my ear, and push hard.”

The idea seems to be, that by collectively pretending that the woman is something she is manifestly not, a form of bonding occurs. The Perpetually Aggrieved Right will fasten upon her, until the next opportunity for obligatory suspension of disbelief comes along.

Portions of the so-called Left perform the same ritual with certain figures, such as Noam Chomsky. Let’s all pretend that the U.S. does whatever it does - it’s all bad, you know - for filthy lucre. This extends, insofar as I can tell, to pretending to believe in academic circles that his hypothetical, non-falsifiable, ever-expanding General Theory of Language with Explains Nothing is just … so … incredibly … deep. Three days after he’s dead, people will be falling all over themselves to disavow it. Like what happened with B. F. Skinner.

What’s my point? It’s this. There’s a thing going around. Today it affects the ranting right. The idea is to take an arguable point, and insist that it’s obviously true. Those who object “just don’t get it” - or worse. Today’s little spectacle is that we’re all supposed to line up and pretend that Revkin said some awful thing - he didn’t; and that R. Limbaugh is a misunderstood entertainer - misunderstanding him is a sign of possessing a weak character or “bias” or being an extremist, etc.

And this happens every day. Every day there’s some new horrible thought crime committed by “liberals,” “leftists” and other Unreal Americans. The thought crime is not lining up and dutifully regurgitating today’s party line.

178 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:03pm

re: #171 freetoken

That would be way better if you ask me.

The other idea really seems evil to me & I don’t usually call things that.

179 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:08pm

re: #167 Chekote

Let’s cut down on breathing! One breath every 30 seconds. Let’s establish the Office of Breathing Control.

What is the carbon footprint of an idiotic comment?

180 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #172 suchislife

Well, then that would be the end of that idea, and they would have to find another one, which might then again be innocuous or not.

So - then - you and pdc_lgf both seem to be saying that Revkin’s “thought experiment” is just fine; but … it’s not OK for me to engage in my own “thought experiment” and ask the question:

what happens when that incentive process does not work to limit population growth sufficiently to meet whatever goal is in mind when the incentives are offered?

181 brent  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:52:03pm

#170 good question…

If you start down the path, how far is too far? The one child policy of China seemed absurd to me until it was real… The idea of abortions to choose the sex of your baby still doesn’t seem real to me. Killing female children because they’re expensive seems way over the top.

It’s all crazy talk, right up to the point where it becomes reality.

182 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #164 lastlaugh

Well, in 2008 temperatures were lower than previous years while the carbon levels continued to rise. Look I am not saying that we should ignore the science. All I am saying is that the alarmist talk is unwarranted. I remember all the predictions of the “nuclear winter”. Then the predictions that the whole world would stop just because computers would have the wrong date on 01/01/00. Enough!

183 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #178 Ojoe

Many of us believe a carbon tax makes more sense. Put some of the revenue into alternative energy research, part into lower-carbon energy source production deployment, part of it into efficiency increases, and send some of it back to the lower income as rebates (since sales or VAT taxes are regressive in nature.)

184 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:53:57pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

I think you are entitled to think what you want and question what you want. I just don’t see the connection between giving something to people THAT THEY WANT, and FORCING people to behave in a certain way.

185 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:54:31pm

re: #182 Chekote

Well, in 2008 temperatures were lower than previous years while the carbon levels continued to rise. Look I am not saying that we should ignore the science.


Yes you are.

If you weren’t ignoring the science you wouldn’t have made the first statement.

186 brent  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:56:11pm

#176 meat is murder

The green dislike of meat makes sense, if you look at it in terms of what farming does to the ecology. Farmers deforest, releasing stored CO2, then you put cows on the land, etc etc. It’s a big deal, when you look at before and afters of countries that have moved into large cattle operations..

/tasty burger…

187 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:56:50pm

re: #174 freetoken

Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team? Rush is a political commentator/entertainer. Of course, he is going to say outrageous things. Just like Howard Stern did. You don’t like his schtick, don’t listen. Just like I didn’t listen to Stern because I found him offensive. But I would never deny Stern the right to have his program or own a sports team.

188 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

I figured that you were pointing to that second thought experiment to prove that the original thought should be opposed, even though you thought it innocuous. But, like I said above, I think I’m being unnecessarily combative here, and really I do appreciate reading your thought experiments here.

189 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:12pm

re: #187 Chekote

Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?

Because no one has any sympathy for the fact the Rush wasn’t able to indulge in his 700 million dollar hobby. Or whatever it cost. Besides, I don’t recall any govt official pressuring anyone to not allow Rush to partially purchase the Rams.

190 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #187 Chekote

Down-ding for two reasons:

(1) you want to change back to the Rush-is-a-victim whine;
(2) even then, you missed the point of Limbaugh’s boot from the group that are the buyers. It was the fellow buyers who realized that Limbaugh is a political hot potato and thus dropped him - the government didn’t make them do it.

191 brent  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 12:59:53pm

#187 deny…

I had the same thought, but it was his investors that let him down… The pressure came, and rightly or wrongly, they folded.

It is disgusting that the government may be into the game of keeping an enemies list, going after them. It’s a horrible abuse of power, if true.

192 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #89 ArchangelMichael

It technically saddles all people with the label “polluter” or “destroyer of the earth” by default as well. Guilty until proven innocent, if it’s even possible to do so.

The thought kernel there it that “people are bad”. If that is allowed to grow, it leads to horrors.

193 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #187 Chekote

You know, I remember someone joking here that this would get blamed on Obama. Lol!

194 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:02:12pm

re: #186 brent

#176 meat is murder

The green dislike of meat makes sense, if you look at it in terms of what farming does to the ecology. Farmers deforest, releasing stored CO2, then you put cows on the land, etc etc. It’s a big deal, when you look at before and afters of countries that have moved into large cattle operations..

/tasty burger…

Yep, and all these nasty cities have destroyed the once pristine forests and meadows that preceded them, as a recent magazine piece on Manhattan showed.

195 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:03:22pm

re: #185 freetoken

This is what I was referring to:

[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov…]

Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis [see ref. 1] of surface air temperature measurements. In our analysis, 2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008. The two-standard-deviation (95% confidence) uncertainty in comparing recent years is estimated as 0.05°C [ref. 2], so we can only conclude with confidence that 2008 was somewhere within the range from 7th to 10th warmest year in the record.


If I am wrong, I stand corrected. I am not an expert and it hard to get through all the propaganda from BOTH sides. That’s the biggest problem we have. Science has become politicized.

196 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:05:31pm

re: #182 Chekote

Enough of what? Should we adopt your view consistently? E.g., Reduce defense spending to zero? - After all, we’ve survived all threats so far, so maybe WWII was an over-reaction?

197 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #190 freetoken

Downding away! The man is a political satirist, commentor, entertainer. Comparing what he says in humor with people who are completely serious in their hate, bigotry is foolish. IMHO.

198 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #184 pdc_lgf

I think you are entitled to think what you want and question what you want. I just don’t see the connection between giving something to people THAT THEY WANT, and FORCING people to behave in a certain way.

OK.
It seems you are focused on Revkin’s thought, as it stands all on its own.
Some others here, myself included, have taken that thought and tried to figure out where it would go, if it were to become policy and if it didn’t work to reduce population sufficiently for whatever goal is in mind.

Just thinking out loud, seeing where it goes - what would be the logical outcome for a policy of incentives for smaller families if those incentives don’t work to achieve the goal?

I don’t really want you answer. Just illustrating where my head went when I heard Revkin’s thought experiment.

199 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #195 Chekote

What are “wrong” are your assertions:


1. That temperatures should rise every year.
2. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

The science of AGW has never asserted the first one, and your insinuation of such is a fallacy.

Modern physics clearly establishes the second one.

200 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:08:59pm

re: #196 pdc_lgf


Enough of running around screaming “The world is over! The world is over!” If there is anything that humans have demonstrated is the ability to adapt to survive. Most the opposition to the so called climate change agenda is due to the fact that it seems more targeted at bringing down wealthy, capitalist nations as opposed to addressing the environment.

201 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:09:11pm

re: #197 Chekote

Furthermore, that you find humorous a guy raving on a radio show that someone else should go out and kill themselves is sad.

202 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:12:37pm

re: #198 reine.de.tout

I have a terrible feeling about where the thought would go.

203 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:15:27pm

re: #200 Chekote

OK. How about we do the following. A) Don’t raise our voices - speak in normal tones; B) Address whatever issues there are at hand; C) Try real hard not to screw anyone - rich or poor - in the process.

204 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #202 Ojoe

I have a terrible feeling about where the thought would go.

Me too.

205 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:17:23pm

re: #199 freetoken


Where did I say that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? I think you need to cut down on your breathing. Venice is sinking.

206 brent  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:18:18pm

#194 big cities..

I don’t get your point. Yes, cities are dirty, and they probably used to be pristine land at some point. People pollute, a lot of people pollute a lot. Farming as done in many countries, is a freaking mess to the environment.

Go visit the barrier reef, while it’s still pretty, if you want a good example of what farming can do. Ditto for South American forests. Pet a cow.

/still a carnivore

207 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:19:15pm

re: #203 pdc_lgf

I am with you. I find this trend of politicizing science (no matter who is doing it) very troubling. We need for science to be about facts. If not, it will be difficult to address any problem.

208 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:21:15pm

re: #201 freetoken

And I find three guyrs constantly beating each other up not funny. Yet it made a hit TV show.

209 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:21:29pm

re: #207 Chekote

What was it like to live in Venice? Is it as beautiful as folks say it is?

210 theheat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:22:49pm

re: #177 pdc_lgf

Every day there’s some new horrible thought crime committed by “liberals,” “leftists” and other Unreal Americans. The thought crime is not lining up and dutifully regurgitating today’s party line.

Psst - they’re called RINOs.

211 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:23:47pm

re: #209 pdc_lgf

Never lived there. I did visit it and it is a beautiful city.

212 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:31:08pm

re: #98 Charles

That’s Rush’s usual tone. People think I am angry all the time because I have a tendency to raise my voice when I get passionate about something. To each their own. Rush is obviously not your cup of tea. I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve by making comparisons between what a self-described satirist who says he illustrates the absurd by being absurd says with people like RS McCain and BNP who are being totally serious. I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this. I say this as a fan and someone who shares many of your values and opinions.

213 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #187 Chekote

Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?

You can’t POSSIBLY be for real.

214 martinsmithy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:52:34pm

re: #212 Chekote

If you are arguing that Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t be taken seriously, I have no quarrel with you!

The problem is that, in addition to the usual dittohead suspects, Rush is now taken seriously by the Republican party in the form of its leadership and officeholders. Not a good situation.

215 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:53:56pm

re: #128 Chekote

Yes. I did think it was funny. And I thought the all rant about Obama’s America was funny. Why? Because it was absurd for people to suggest that the mere election of the first black POTUS was going to heal all racial tension. So Rush illustrated it by making absurd comments about Obama’s America. Look you either get his humor or you don’t. It is like the three stooges.

No it isn’t.
The big lie is the “sense of humor” argument.
It excuses whatever he says and allows him to spew whatever he wants.
I don’t buy it.

216 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:54:37pm

re: #213 bratwurst

You can’t POSSIBLY be for real.

he’s trolling.

217 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:58:27pm
If you are arguing that Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t be taken seriously, I have no quarrel with you!

That’s exactly what I am saying. I find him funny and interesting. But he is a satirist. People who looked to him for political leadership are just as foolish as anyone who thinks that Rush is being serious. The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.

218 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 1:59:53pm

re: #217 Chekote

The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.

Trouble is, that is EXACTLY what they are doing.

219 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:01:10pm

re: #217 Chekote

The GOP should not cater to Rush or go along that he is some kind of leader.

But they do. Given this fact, wouldn’t you agree that highlighting the reasons why Rush isn’t a good leader is the responsible thing to do?

220 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:02:39pm

re: #215 doubter4444

So don’t listen to him. And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America. That was more absurd than anything Rush has said. The whole idea that one man could put to rest racial tensions, bigotry that has persisted since the beginning of this nation was absurd. The whole idea that partisanship would disappear. Rush was illustrating this absurdity but making absurd comments about Obama’s America.

221 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:04:21pm

re: #220 Chekote

Huh? Who promised that?Who could possibly deliver that? Even Santa Claus shows up just once a year.

222 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:04:50pm

re: #219 suchislife

Yes. But not in the way Charles is doing it. Making connections, comparisons between Rush’s satirical comments to serious comments by BNP or RS McCain is unproductive.

223 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:05:47pm

re: #220 Chekote

And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America.

What better way for Rush to disprove that by race baiting on the school bus incident.

224 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #222 Chekote

So what is your contribution to this?

225 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:07:11pm

re: #221 pdc_lgf


Obama and his supporters. Oprah, Michelle Obama talking about Obama healing this country. “There is no blue America, red America”. What a bunch of crap! The whole campaign was a bunch of crap (both sides).

226 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #222 Chekote

Was R. Limbaugh’s keynote speech to the Republicans satire? Was he granted the podium because his satire is so amusing?

227 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:08:52pm

re: #222 Chekote

Do you at all realize how many people on this blog have changed their mind about accepting Beck as a news source and Rush as a leader due to the very things you dismiss without an argument as unproductive?

228 Chekote  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:09:28pm

re: #223 bratwurst

It was not race baiting. It was illustrating that despite electing Obama, there are still “racial” incidents.

229 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:11:06pm

re: #225 Chekote

red state/blue state - an appeal for national unity. How very unpatriotic.

Nobody voted for Mrs. Obama. Nobody voted for Ms. Winfrey. Furthermore, you are tripping on your own distinctions. On one hand, one mustn’t come down hard on Mr. Limbaugh - he’s a media figure. One mustn’t take him seriously - he’s a media figure. What’s Ms. Winfrey? What’s Mrs. Obama?

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:12:00pm

re: #181 brent

#170 good question…

If you start down the path, how far is too far? The one child policy of China seemed absurd to me until it was real… The idea of abortions to choose the sex of your baby still doesn’t seem real to me. Killing female children because they’re expensive seems way over the top.

It’s all crazy talk, right up to the point where it becomes reality.

Female infanticide goes wayback. And was, BTW something Mohammed forbade.

231 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:13:08pm

re: #212 Chekote

I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve…

That’s pretty obvious.

I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this.

Somehow I’ll try to carry on despite your disapproval.

232 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:14:47pm
233 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:14:58pm

re: #220 Chekote

So don’t listen to him. And yes we were promised post-racial, post-partisan America. That was more absurd than anything Rush has said. The whole idea that one man could put to rest racial tensions, bigotry that has persisted since the beginning of this nation was absurd. The whole idea that partisanship would disappear. Rush was illustrating this absurdity but making absurd comments about Obama’s America.

Oh for God’s sake. Who promised any such thing? Starry-eyed kids? Pundits with a column to push? Or maybe, Rush Limbaugh, who made bucks ranting about it?

234 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #225 Chekote

Obama and his supporters. Oprah, Michelle Obama talking about Obama healing this country. “There is no blue America, red America”. What a bunch of crap! The whole campaign was a bunch of crap (both sides).

Please link. As far as I know, Obama talked about “perfecting the union”, which is an unending process, and they also said that they would try to work on closing the yawning gap between the right and the left that the Bush-administration as well as other people on the right and the left exacerbated. I believe they severely misjudged the right.
I realize that you think he didn’t follow through on this, and I doubt I can convince you otherwise here and now, but that’s what I believe they were saying.
Ending racism? You can’t possibly think they promised that. That would mean that you believe the democratic voters and especially the black community to be brain dead.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:16:32pm

re: #228 Chekote

It was not race baiting. It was illustrating that despite electing Obama, there are still “racial” incidents.

If you’re seriously suggesting that Obama ran on a platform of ending schoolyard fights on American buses, then, I suppose, he did fail at that.

236 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #228 Chekote

None of this makes sense, unless you actually believe that a significant portion of the democrats believed Obama would end racism.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:18:25pm

re: #236 suchislife

None of this makes sense, unless you actually believe that a significant portion of the democrats believed Obama would end racism.

I know a lot of Democrats. Most of them expressed at some point during the election some fear that racial tensions might in fact increase in some areas due to an Obama victory.

238 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:18:34pm

re: #232 Chekote

Besides, do you really want to live in an offensive-free country? I don’t.

That is something I’m truly scared of. Which is why I’ll go outside right now and insult a random minority person.

239 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #232 Chekote

Do you realize how many people have dropped LFG?

Yes. It’s pretty scary to stand against the tide, right?

240 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #232 Chekote

Do you realize how many people have dropped LFG?

Less than the number of people LGF has picked up. Traffic is up, so those leaving have been replaced and then some. This little stalker talking point is false.

241 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:23:22pm
242 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:25:08pm

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

They’re waiting until Charles posts another thread. Then watch them come out of the woodwork. Flouncers, recently, have been waiting for the overnight threads. They see it as their chance to get the flounce up for as long as possible for the buddies to gawk at.

Then we have the socks people like to use.

Like (the now banned HA troll/sock) F15Mech tried the other night…waited till about 0230-0300 CDT to probe our defenses, because they wanted to do to us what KT did to HA (I guess they’re pissed they have to resort to code to post bigoted/racist crap over there). The only problem with that (that they apparently never caught on) is that every post they made was nuked right after it was posted…I loved tweaking its nose for an hour or so, it was fun.

243 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:26:07pm
244 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:27:26pm

re: #241 Chekote

Nobody on this thread is pretending there was no talk. There were the usual folks with columns to write who were hyping nonsense.

The only thing being diminished here is the credibility of the assertion that we’re being very sad and bad boys and girls by using the tactics of calling a spade a spade.

245 suchislife  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:27:42pm

re: #234 suchislife

And will you next quote “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” as proof that he thinks he’s the Messiah? It’s a call to action, obviously. It means be the change. Don’t wait for a savior.

246 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #232 Chekote

Buh bye now! I’m going to help you avoid seeing your idol criticized by blocking your account, and thereby remove your temptation to continue posting stupid comments at LGF. No need to thank me.

247 XopXproxyX  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #238 suchislife

Hahaha. re: #238 suchislife

I’ll go outside right now and insult a random minority person.

Hahaha. What is that the key election promise of the next republican nominee for president?

248 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #246 Charles

Thanks.

249 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:33:00pm

re: #246 Charles

Buh bye now! I’m going to help you avoid seeing your idol criticized by blocking your account, and thereby remove your temptation to continue posting stupid comments at LGF. No need to thank me.

The way that one was prattling on, they’ll be on a stalker site soon (if not already)…quite sad when people take leave of their senses.

250 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #249 talon_262

What’s a stalker site?

It reaches a point where a person’s postings become an insult to the pixels on the screen. I actually though we were going to go from point A, to point B, to point C, …, and with some luck, maybe get halfway to point D. Instead, it was point A, to point B, back to point A.

251 sagehen  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:44:40pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

Less than the number of people LGF has picked up. Traffic is up, so those leaving have been replaced and then some. This little stalker talking point is false.


Amazing how many people find a discussion more enjoyable than an echo chamber.

252 oldegeezr  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:50:20pm

re: #187 Chekote

“Why isn’t anyone here worried about government officials demonizing a private individual to the point that he can’t own a sports team?”

Chekote, it wasn’t the govmint! It was the millionaire owners that planted Rush’s dreams on the left side of nightmare swamp.

Limbaugh has a rather large community [perhaps 23 %…?] that is copasetic with his vision and political persuasion?

Rush, has a fine handle on those demoralized, disenfranchised right wing folks…that are out of political relevance in congress just now. He’ll work ‘em, till hell freezes over…and they’ll believe everything El Rushbo says…!

That certainly simplifies their lives; if mental simplicity makes ‘em happy… how about you?

253 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:52:42pm

re: #249 talon_262

I googled it. I understand broadly speaking what a stalker site is, according to a very literal definition.

What I’m asking is what’s a stalker site for a website? Please, I don’t want URLs. Is a stalker site for LGF a place where disgruntled folks go to vent and work themselves up over the things that happen here?

Some folks have way too much time on their hands.

254 sagehen  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #253 pdc_lgf

Yes, that’s exactly it. It’s where people who’ve been banned here go to complain to each other about their banning, and telling each other that they were what used to be good about the place that didn’t want them anymore.

255 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #254 sagehen

It’s where people who’ve been banned here go …

The largest of which we’ve titled: The Blog of the Damned.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:03:22pm

re: #212 Chekote

That’s Rush’s usual tone. People think I am angry all the time because I have a tendency to raise my voice when I get passionate about something. To each their own. Rush is obviously not your cup of tea. I really don’t “get” what you are trying to achieve by making comparisons between what a self-described satirist who says he illustrates the absurd by being absurd says with people like RS McCain and BNP who are being totally serious. I think you are diminishing yourself by doing this. I say this as a fan and someone who shares many of your values and opinions.

Just because you describe yourself as a satirist doesn’t mean you’re not race-baiting and hateful and using vicious language to draw in an audience. I can describe myself as a unicorn, doesn’t make it so.

257 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #182 Chekote

All I am saying is that the alarmist talk is unwarranted. I remember all the predictions of the “nuclear winter”. T

Well we didn’t have nuclear winter because there was never a nuclear war.

258 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:07:24pm

re: #253 pdc_lgf

I googled it. I understand broadly speaking what a stalker site is, according to a very literal definition.

What I’m asking is what’s a stalker site for a website? Please, I don’t want URLs. Is a stalker site for LGF a place where disgruntled folks go to vent and work themselves up over the things that happen here?

Some folks have way too much time on their hands.

Basically, a bunch of emasculated former LGF posters want REVENNNGE!! because they feel powerless and angry that they weren’t allowed to continue to be nasty/racist/abusive/whiny/etc on LGF.

259 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 3:09:33pm

re: #254 sagehen

re: #258 WindUpBird


Thanks. Those sites are not something I want to mess with.

260 oldegeezr  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 4:00:33pm

re: #258 WindUpBird

I believe HA, would fall into your descriptive category…although lately they appear to have lost some of their enthusiasm…

AOS, would definitely calibrate…!

261 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 6:35:31pm
262 sffilk  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 5:55:29am

Maybe it’s time to say to this “person,” “YOU’RE IRRELEVANT!”


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Black Pumas - Fire (Official Live Session) Black Pumas’ debut album is available now - limited edition vinyl, CD and digital formats: smarturl.it FOLLOW BLACK PUMASTour Dates: theblackpumas.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @blackpumasmusicInstagram: instagram.com Video Directed by Amos David McKayVideo Filmed at Arlyn Studios – Austin, TX LYRICSI’ve got ...
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Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66 - Mas Que Nada (Introduced by Eartha Kitt / Something Special 1967)Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66 - Mas que nada, from Eartha Kitt's Something Special 1967.
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Wes Montgomery - Here’s That Rainy Day - Live London 1965Stan Tracey (piano) Wes Montgomery (guitar) Rick Laird (bass) Jackie Dougan (drums)Television broadcast, "Tempo", ABC TV, London, England, May 7, 1965
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Halsey - You Should Be Sad (Lyric Video) Halsey’s new album ‘Manic’ out now! halsey.lnk.toiTunes: halsey.lnk.toSpotify: halsey.lnk.to Apple Music: halsey.lnk.toAmazon: halsey.lnk.toGoogle Play: halsey.lnk.to Get tickets to #ManicWorldTour! Each ticket purchase comes with a physical copy of ‘Manic’.halsey.lnk.to Follow Halsey –Twitter: @halsey Facebook: facebook.com Instagram: instagram.comSpotify: halsey.lnk.toOfficial Site: ...
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