Sarah Palin Goes Rogue Against the GOP

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Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor who quit in the middle of her elected term, is endorsing a third party candidate in New York’s 23rd congressional district, because the official GOP candidate doesn’t meet her standards for ideological purity (in other words, Dede Scozzafava is pro-choice): Palin backs Hoffman in NY-23.

Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin on Thursday endorsed Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman over Dede Scozzafava, the Republican Party’s choice, in the special election for New York’s 23rd congressional district.

“The people of the 23rd Congressional District of New York are ready to shake things up, and Doug Hoffman is coming on strong as Election Day approaches! He needs our help now,” Palin wrote in a statement that will be posted on her Facebook page late Thursday.

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509 comments
1 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:29:51pm

Maybe the Republican party is the third party.
They (we) just don’t know it yet.

2 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:30:00pm

hmmm…Seems that these Independent candidates may be the Democrats’ best ever weapon to fight the GOP…(I hear that a similar problem is occurring with New Jersey’s governor race..)

3 fizzlogic  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:30:00pm

I’m hoping the teabaggers do the same thing to Crist in the GOP primary. Evidently 60 Democratic leaning Senators just isn’t enough.

4 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:30:50pm
Palin continued. “Our nation is at a crossroads, and this is once again a ‘time for choosing.’”

Makes sense, Bible Spice is only torpedoing Scozzafava because Dede is pro choice.

5 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:31:24pm

Sarah Palin Goes Rogue Rouge Against the GOP

Fixed.

6 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:33:43pm

Split the party vote for religious ideology, perfect. Thats ok, the other democrats in congress were feeling lonely and ineffectual, maybe another will make them happier?

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:33:50pm

Her ghostwriter has ties to the Dominionists and their party is the Constitution party, so I’m not really that surprised she’s hooking up with another Dominionist.

8 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:34:39pm

I dont know anything about any of these candidates, but, is it possible that she is backing the right one? Just because someone is backed by the GOP doesnt give them the exclusive on being the best candidate.

9 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:34:43pm

This is what a split in the party would look like early on. 3rd party here we come.

10 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #8 bombay311

You just have to have some idea of what the candidates stand for to get a grip on this. Take a peek.

11 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:36:01pm

Maybe the GOP should start funding for Ralph Nader types, eh? (In Canada, it’s been the socialist NDP which splits the Liberal vote…so, then, the Conservatives get in…)

12 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:36:17pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

This is what a split in the party would look like early on. 3rd party here we come.

If the party splits, I call dibs on Mitt Romney, and Mark Kirk. Let the loons flock together, give me all the same people.

13 fantasmaguero  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:36:41pm

The GOP base is making an end run towards a Mondalesque drubbing in 2012, regardless of any potential Congressional gains in 2010, and even if the economy improves only marginally by that time.

14 arethusa  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:37:03pm

It’s an off-year, and maybe off-year elections are overrated (though they presaged the 1994 Congressional elections turning Republican). But in the 3 elections - NY-23, Virginia, and New Jersey - only Virginia looks like a sure thing for the GOP. Christie had a lead in NJ and is now statistically tied in polls. NY-23 is a mess. Seriously, what are they thinking?

15 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:37:08pm

The major reason for this is Scozzafava’s pro-choice position. In distant second place is her support for health care reform.

16 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:37:08pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Uhh “sane People”? Yes that’s fine with me. Necessary and overdue.

17 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:38:45pm

re: #15 Charles

Is it possible to come to the correct conclusion for the wrong reason?

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:38:56pm

James Dobson’s “Family Research Council” says: We’d Rather Lose The Seat Then See a Liberal Republican Win.

19 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:39:10pm

re: #15 Charles

I remember being proud when Bush 41 & the Republicans set this aside in his run for office. They chose to set aside the thing that divides in favor of the things that united the right.

20 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:39:38pm

This is the religious right flexing its muscles.

21 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #20 Charles

They just might be playing for a split.

22 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:41:05pm

re: #20 Charles

This is the religious right flexing its muscles.

They’re teaming up with the paleo-cons to hold the party hostage.

23 PT Barnum  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:41:18pm

re: #18 Charles

Methinks they’re going to get their wish

24 fantasmaguero  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #18 Charles

I suppose that the silver lining would be that as long as that remains their attitude, the end result will continue to be an inability to put “their people” in office.

25 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:41:44pm

re: #20 Charles

This is the religious right flexing its muscles.

Quite concur. Apparently, I no longer have a party.

26 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:42:26pm

re: #8 bombay311

I dont know anything about any of these candidates, but, is it possible that she is backing the right one?

Only in the sense that a broken clock is right twice a day.

27 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Welcome to the out of the club.. club.

28 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Quite concur. Apparently, I no longer have a party.

surprised?…don’t tell me you didn’t see this coming

29 OneMonkeysUncle  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:44:39pm

I’m going to run out to the lobby and grab some popcorn before this really gets started… can I get anybody anything while I’m up?

30 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #28 albusteve

surprised?…don’t tell me you didn’t see this coming

Ray Charles could have seen this coming.

31 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:45:33pm

re: #29 OneMonkeysUncle

sapphire & tonic pls

32 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:46:30pm

Best view of Palin is in your rear view mirror.

33 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:46:59pm

re: #32 The Shadow Do

Best view of Palin is in your rear view mirror.

Whackos in mirror are closer than they appear?

34 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:47:22pm

the question is, how will the moderate republicans react to this madness, especially in 2012 when all hell is exposed?…will they stay away from the polls, or vote lockstep with the new and improved party?…will they even know what the fuck is going on inside the GOP?..yeeehaaa!

35 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:47:22pm

re: #20 Charles

This is the religious right flexing its muscles.

They are going to do it in strategically important districts to prove that they sway elections.
How many losses will the National Republican body need to completely capitulate to them?

36 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #30 soxfan4life

Ray Charles could have seen this coming.

good one…so true

37 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:47:46pm

re: #18 Charles

James Dobson’s “Family Research Council” says: We’d Rather Lose The Seat Then See a Liberal Republican Win.

Someone needs to do some proof reading!
“we’d rather lose seat THAN see liberal republican win”.
I know, it’s teh hard!

38 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:47:57pm

re: #32 The Shadow Do

Best view of Palin is in your rear view mirror.

Does she have a nice rear?

39 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:48:21pm

So much for the modest Republicans gains people were hoping for in 2010.

40 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:04pm

re: #33 ArchangelMichael

Whackos in mirror are closer than they appear?

Yes, sadly

41 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:11pm

re: #38 soxfan4life

Does she have a nice rear?

Yes, that she does have. Her failures are many, but ugliness is not among them.

42 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:12pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

So much for the modest Republicans gains people were hoping for in 2010.

They’re all RINO’s anyway.///

43 rollwave87  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Quite concur. Apparently, I no longer have a party.

the more insane the right gets, the prouder I am to say that I’m a moderate republican. Im not going anywhere. I’d rather do my best to kick these john birch morons (a group in which I now see that Sarah Palin most definiterly claims membership) out of my Lincoln, Roosevelt, McCain GOP than let them kick me or any of us out.

44 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:34pm

I see this as sort of the mirror image of Lieberman’s action in CT.

45 JRCMYP  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:42pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Quite concur. Apparently, I no longer have a party.

Welcome to the cool kids table. Here’s your complimentary t-shirt emblazoned with the word “Independent.”

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:49:54pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

So much for the modest Republicans gains people were hoping for in 2010.

I fear you’re right. Unless something changes, the GOP will lose ground instead of gaining.

47 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:50:27pm

re: #34 albusteve

I’m not at all sure the moderates will be in the party. Look at some of us. I’ve been gone, Dark Falcon just said he has no party. Kudos to the liberals around here I see no gleeful crap I see in other places.

48 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:50:35pm

re: #45 JRCMYP

Welcome to the cool kids table. Here’s your complimentary t-shirt emblazoned with the word “Independent.”

Do you have one of those shirts in 3XLT?

49 Summer Seale  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:50:51pm

I always wondered what the Age of Terror would look like in the modern world, without a guillotine.

Now…I know. =)

50 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:50:55pm

re: #14 arethusa

Christie is being overwhelmed by a 3-1 spending spree by Corzine to remain in office. Corzine has unleashed an unending series of attack ads, and Christie’s lead has dwindled as a result. It’s not because Corzine has suddenly done better, it’s that he’s dragged down Christie (and Corzine doesn’t have a record of achievement to run with - with higher sales tax, higher property taxes, and an economy in shambles).

As for the NY-23 mess, I really haven’t been following the situation, but when you are a candidate and claim that you are willing to debate your opponent anytime anywhere… you better not have been the one to duck earlier requests to debate, and she’s done an awful job at that - when you’re surrounded by a bunch of signs supporting your opponent.

This is a wholly avoidable mess, but for the fact that this is NY we’re talking about and the NYS GOP is a mess. They have been incompetent for years, and this is another manifestation of that.

Throw in the fact that you’ve got attention from around the nation on these few races, and you’ve got everyone racing to stake out sides, whether or not the candidate deserves it or not. This appears to be a litmus test for those making their endorsements, not the other way around.

That, in and of itself, is a damning indictment of the state of affairs.

51 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:51:25pm

re: #38 soxfan4life

Does she have a nice rear?

I tend not to be backwards looking in my politics

(who am I kidding, of course she does)

52 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:52:05pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

I don’t know how far they’re willing to push this stuff. The election in New York looks like the testing ground. Last I checked it’s going to result in a Dem victory. The Tea Parties and Paulians have a lot of energy and a decent amount of money. I think they could sink the ship if they decided to.

53 Summer Seale  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:52:21pm

re: #38 soxfan4life

Does she have a nice rear?

It’s kinda hard to tell since her fat head is blocking the view of everything else?

54 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:52:58pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

(snip) Kudos to the liberals around here I see no gleeful crap I see in other places.

Pity Ding.

55 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #44 kilroy

I see this as sort of the mirror image of Lieberman’s action in CT.

They’ve got the “Party Out of Power goes Nuts” playbook* and they are running it step by step.

*Authored by the DNC 2000-2004

56 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:53:59pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

I’m not at all sure the moderates will be in the party. Look at some of us. I’ve been gone, Dark Falcon just said he has no party. Kudos to the liberals around here I see no gleeful crap I see in other places.

I am a liberal and a card-carrying member of the ACLU, but there is no schadenfreude here. I would rather have a loyal and intelligent opposition than one that loses because it insists upon embracing elements that the silent majority find abhorrent.

57 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I don’t know how far they’re willing to push this stuff. The election in New York looks like the testing ground. Last I checked it’s going to result in a Dem victory. The Tea Parties and Paulians have a lot of energy and a decent amount of money. I think they could sink the ship if they decided to.

of course they could…the vast majority of conservative voters are as dumb as an ox…pound away and you’ll have their vote, the ones that actually vote…I don’t see a sweeping change in demographics in 2012…after that who knows

58 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:56:15pm

re: #55 ArchangelMichael

This will be a relatively safe way to see if Sarah is the kiss of death or a great vote getter!

59 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:56:25pm

The ship is sinking.

Youtube Video
60 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:56:36pm

re: #57 albusteve

I’m still sticking with my prediction that the GOP is going to spend the next decade in the wilderness.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:57:06pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Yes, that she does have. Her failures are many, but ugliness is not among them.

Eventually she’ll have her own talk show, mark my words.

62 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I don’t know how far they’re willing to push this stuff. The election in New York looks like the testing ground. Last I checked it’s going to result in a Dem victory. The Tea Parties and Paulians have a lot of energy and a decent amount of money. I think they could sink the ship if they decided to.

And they’ve decided to. They’re going for a “Reign in Hell” strategy. They don’t care if the GOP is reduced to a regional party, as long as they are in charge of said party. We may be looking at the kind of crack-up the conservatives had up in Canada in the early 90’s. That one kept the Liberals in power for over 15 years straight.

63 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:58:56pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I’m still sticking with my prediction that the GOP is going to spend the next decade in the wilderness.

so will the country

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:59:54pm

re: #63 bombay311

so will the country

The country will be just fine.

65 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:00:31pm

re: #8 bombay311

I dont know anything about any of these candidates, but, is it possible that she is backing the right one?

No.

66 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:01:08pm

Anyone else remember James Buckley in New York?

67 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:01:21pm

re: #65 Charles

I’m reading up on them now so i can figure out for myself

68 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:01:57pm

re: #63 bombay311

Probably not. I think the country will actually be better off. We can save the economy, reform healtchcare, get science and education back on track. I think (hope) that we’ll be fine.

69 BLBfootballs  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:03:00pm

Ms. Scozzafava also fails the ideological “purity” test of the foaming fringe radical extremists at… the WSJ, too.

70 boyo  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:03:02pm

re: #61 WindUpBird

Eventually she’ll have her own talk show, mark my words.

where she can tell us how “A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.”

warming up my teevo cant wait…

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:03:55pm

re: #69 BLBfootballs

Ms. Scozzafava also fails the ideological “purity” test of the foaming fringe radical extremists at… the WSJ, too.

The Wall Street Journal was recently bought by Rupert Murdoch.

72 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:04:22pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

That’s certainly possible. If Obama and the Dems can manage to avoid catastrophes the Republicans are screwed. I think their only hope is for the Dems to screw up. I just hope the Dems don’t screw up before the Republicans are ready to come back.

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #63 bombay311

so will the country

Agreed. By the time that decade is over, the nation will have moved irretrievably to the left. If that happens, conservatism will have truly failed, and conservatives will have allowed it to fail.

74 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:04:43pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout
I see nothing in the actions of either party that would lead me to that conclusion. But I am kindos a pessimist.

75 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

And they’ve decided to. They’re going for a “Reign in Hell” strategy. They don’t care if the GOP is reduced to a regional party, as long as they are in charge of said party. We may be looking at the kind of crack-up the conservatives had up in Canada in the early 90’s. That one kept the Liberals in power for over 15 years straight.

I tend to think there are enough people who are fiscal conservatives to some degree that they wont stand for it. Either fi-con leaning democrats will splinter off into a new 2nd party, or a new 3rd party will form and take fi-cons from the GOP, effectively destroying it.

I think this is what happened in the 1820s when the Democratic-Republican Party self-destructed and left the National Republicans as the only party. They soon split into 2 factions, one of which became the Democrat Party and after while the leftovers became the Whigs.

76 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:06:13pm

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

77 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:06:21pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I’m still sticking with my prediction that the GOP is going to spend the next decade in the wilderness.

I think it’s exciting and interesting…I’ve gotten ripped in the market but I’ll survive nicely, money wise…I’m not at all happy with BO as you know, but I’m too old to freak out about it…I have my family and lots of other interests and I’m getting healthier everyday via the best health insurance in NM…the demise of the GOP was unexpected but hardly surprising and I just wonder what’s gonna happen here on out…I am not a republican…I have only two issues that interest me, which is why it’s hard for me to fit in here…I only care about taxes and the economy, and the war overseas…everything else is secondary at best with me…but the astounding speed that the GOP is failing says alot about our country and it’s not good…I wonder if this may be some precursor to the end of a two party system…just curious

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:06:34pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

That’s certainly possible. If Obama and the Dems can manage to avoid catastrophes the Republicans are screwed. I think their only hope is for the Dems to screw up. I just hope the Dems don’t screw up before the Republicans are ready to come back.

Actually, if it were not eating itself alive, the GOP could come back. But any comback by any part of the GOP will require said part to abjure craziness and stick to economic and security issues.

79 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Why would Obama be blamed?

80 fantasmaguero  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:07:25pm

re: #28 albusteve

It started getting clearer once National Review, re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I’ll take that bet. Life goes on outside the echo chamber.

81 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:07:53pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

My pediatrician told me today there was plenty of H1N1 available but that saeasonal flu was gone already

82 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:08:13pm

re: #80 fantasmaguero

Thats a god point. This is all so wonky.

83 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:08:27pm

I cant spell today

84 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:08:28pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

Whoops GOOD point.

85 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:08:54pm

re: #83 bombay311

Me neither.

86 fantasmaguero  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:08:57pm

My mistake on that last comment. Had left the fragment of a line I’d meant to put earlier: “It started getting clearer once National Review took its nosedive”

87 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:09pm
88 BLBfootballs  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:09pm

re: #71 Charles

The Wall Street Journal was recently bought by Rupert Murdoch.

OK. But the fact remains that she’s pretty far to the left, even by local Democrats’ standards. I agree with the WSJ editorial that the real question is why she’s a Republican at all. Maybe in all the attention being given to this otherwise obscure House race someone’ll dig that answer out from under the history pile.

89 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:23pm

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Why would Obama be blamed?

Because the administration promised 120 million doses would be available around now, there is only 13 million doses available.

90 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:25pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

I hope you’re wrong, Walter. I hope Obama succeeds on H1N1, because tens of thousands may die if he fails. I pray he makes every call on that matter perfectly, and that he justly gains credit for steering the right course. I pray for this because it is the only decent thing to pray for in such a matter. Of course, to the Tea Baggers, my views firmly establish me as a RINO to be hunted down and purged.

91 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #81 bombay311
I just heard a news report that said they only have 30million vs 160million shots.

92 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:09:57pm

re: #87 Radical Rafe

??

93 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:06pm

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Why would Obama be blamed?

Why was Bush blamed for Katrina? It was due to Nagin and Blanco’s incompetence or unwillingness to ask a R for help that Congress had to change the law and allow the President to send help without the state asking for it.

94 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:34pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

Because the administration promised 120 million doses would be available around now, there is only 13 million doses available.


nobody will pay attention to that…just like Afghanistan is almost a non issue

95 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:39pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

??

I let it go.

96 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:43pm

re: #91 kilroy

How much is needed?

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:54pm

re: #87 Radical Rafe

Who do you think you are? This blog belongs to Charles, and since he’s putting in the time and paying the bills, he can post whatever he wants.

98 Liberal Classic  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:10:55pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Probably not. I think the country will actually be better off. We can save the economy, reform healtchcare, get science and education back on track. I think (hope) that we’ll be fine.

I generally agree with Democrats on science and education, but I tend to agree with Republicans on economics and national defense. I don’t believe a GOP splitting into regional parties will make the country better off. I’m not saying it’s a total catastrophe, or anything, just that the country needs a healthy Republican opposition when Democrats control congress and the presidency. This helps to keep the Democrats in the center.

99 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:11:23pm

re: #94 albusteve

nobody will pay attention to that…just like Afghanistan is almost a non issue

It’s getting a lot of coverage, by people who care.

100 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:11:48pm

Yep, the faithful are off to fight the culture wars, again…fuck.

Even though they have already gotten their ass kicked and are now seen as hateful and bigoted by the majority of the country, (face it guys, you lost the P.R. war big time, which is what really counts).

But this time, this time, they will win, because they are pure and have purged and will continue to purge all those that aren’t pure! So what if they only make up about 10% of the population (or less), they will win because they are dedicated! (and God is on their side?)

Hopefully they fade into impotence without completely taking our party with them, but meanwhile be prepared for a lot more embarrassment.

101 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:11:53pm

re: #96 pdc_lgf
I can’t get a shot can you?

102 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:11:54pm

re: #95 Charles

I let it go.

You let him go…

Like Matrix did to Sully in Commando.

103 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:11:59pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I hope you’re wrong, Walter. I hope Obama succeeds on H1N1, because tens of thousands may die if he fails. I pray he makes every call on that matter perfectly, and that he justly gains credit for steering the right course. I pray for this because it is the only decent thing to pray for in such a matter. Of course, to the Tea Baggers, my views firmly establish me as a RINO to be hunted down and purged.


for god’s sake…BO has already failed in that regard and 10s of thousands are not gonna die

104 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:12:08pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

Because the administration promised 120 million doses would be available around now, there is only 13 million doses available.

[Link: www.startribune.com…]

105 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:12:12pm

re: #93 soxfan4life

Why was Bush blamed for Katrina? It was due to Nagin and Blanco’s incompetence or unwillingness to ask a R for help that Congress had to change the law and allow the President to send help without the state asking for it.

Sorry meant to finish with sometimes sitting in the big chair can be a real bitch.

106 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:12:26pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

No way. You’re dreaming.

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #93 soxfan4life

Why was Bush blamed for Katrina? It was due to Nagin and Blanco’s incompetence or unwillingness to ask a R for help that Congress had to change the law and allow the President to send help without the state asking for it.

I seem to also remember certain line that did Bush great:

“You doing a fine job, Brownie!” or words to that effect

108 rollwave87  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:12:50pm

re: #88 BLBfootballs

I agree with the WSJ editorial that the real question is why she’s a Republican at all.

seriously? seriously??

109 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:13:25pm

re: #106 Charles

No way. You’re dreaming.

Only an opinion… I can dream…

[Link: www.startribune.com…]

110 theheat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:13:33pm

re: #71 Charles

The WSJ article makes her sound like a raving, gay-loving, taxyhappy commie. Palin hates her. The WSJ hates her.

In such case, Scozzafava has my blessing.

111 BLBfootballs  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:13:44pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

Very doubtful. The H1N1 virus’s lethality is far lower than the usual yearly flu strains.

112 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:05pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I seem to also remember certain line that did Bush great:

“You doing a fine job, Brownie!” or words to that effect

Oh, no doubt the aftermath was a complete clusterfuck, but people from all sides of the aisle dropped the ball on that.

113 Flyers1974  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:24pm

re: #34 albusteve

the question is, how will the moderate republicans react to this madness, especially in 2012 when all hell is exposed?…will they stay away from the polls, or vote lockstep with the new and improved party?…will they even know what the fuck is going on inside the GOP?..yeeehaaa!

My prediction is they will continue to vote GOP because they won’t know what is going on or because they will but the radical will no longer seem radical by then.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:46pm

re: #112 soxfan4life

Oh, no doubt the aftermath was a complete clusterfuck, but people from all sides of the aisle dropped the ball on that.

That much is true.

115 J.S.  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:47pm

re: #94 albusteve

Exactly. It’s a non issue…besides, it’s all due to the eggs…it takes a long time to develop the vaccine when you’re using eggs…It’s due to the eggs..blame the eggs.

116 boyo  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:51pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

Only an opinion… I can dream…

[Link: www.startribune.com…]

you dream of Americans not having vaccines and our president being the one to blame? yikes …worse than my nightmares :(

117 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:14:55pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I hope you’re wrong, Walter. I hope Obama succeeds on H1N1, because tens of thousands may die if he fails. I pray he makes every call on that matter perfectly, and that he justly gains credit for steering the right course. I pray for this because it is the only decent thing to pray for in such a matter. Of course, to the Tea Baggers, my views firmly establish me as a RINO to be hunted down and purged.

h1n1 vaccine may be “too late” for most.

We’ve had an outbreak of h1n1 since mid-September, and it’s been widespread throughout the state for at least 6 weeks now.

And there is not one dose of h1n1 vaccine to be had in town.

My doc specializes in caring for patients in a high-risk category; and he is not on the list to get a supply of h1n1 vaccine at all.

118 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:15:06pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

It’s getting a lot of coverage, by people who care.

I’m nearly beside myself and nobody wants to discuss it…men are dying, our American kids…ho hum…it’s hard for me to get juiced up about Sarah Palin you know?

119 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:15:10pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I seem to also remember certain line that did Bush great harm:

“You doing a fine job, Brownie!” or words to that effect

120 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:15:28pm

re: #110 theheat

The WSJ article makes her sound like a raving, gay-loving, taxyhappy commie. Palin hates her. The WSJ hates her.

In such case, Scozzafava has my blessing.

Repeating what I wrote earlier about the WSJ editorial:

I saw that Wall street Journal editorial. More craziness. Their position is that a defeat for Scozzafava would teach the GOP that they need to lurch even farther to the right — exactly the wrong lesson. So they write an editorial trying to make the defeat happen.

Sam Tanenhaus was right — we’re witnessing the death of conservatism. It’s being replaced by revanchism and far right populism.

121 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:15:32pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

It was “Heckuva Job Brownie.”

The knock against President Bush was that he appointed cronies; and, put way, way too much emphasis on personal loyalty. Like sticking with D. Rumsfeld for, like, forever.

In the case of “Brownie,” the man had no identifiable credentials for whatever his job was supposed to be.

122 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:15:44pm

re: #111 BLBfootballs

Very doubtful. The H1N1 virus’s lethality is far lower than the usual yearly flu strains.

Interesting… WHO says possible pandemic, CDC says something else, you say what you say… seems we can’t get the same story twice…

Over a thousand cases in Colorado where I live.

123 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:16:35pm

re: #18 Charles

James Dobson’s “Family Research Council” says: We’d Rather Lose The Seat Then See a Liberal Republican Win.

meanwhile, on the other side of the isle

“I’ll take a Chuck Schumer-run Senate with 57 Democrats (bye bye Reid, Lieberman, and Lincoln) than a Harry Reid-run one with 75 Democrats,” Markos Moulitsas Zúniga wrote last week on the liberal blog network Daily Kos.

I confess to reading DailyKos, but sometimes Markos himself really pisses me off.

124 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:16:58pm

re: #121 pdc_lgf

It was “Heckuva Job Brownie.”

The knock against President Bush was that he appointed cronies; and, put way, way too much emphasis on personal loyalty. Like sticking with D. Rumsfeld for, like, forever.

In the case of “Brownie,” the man had no identifiable credentials for whatever his job was supposed to be.

Quite Concur.

125 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:17:10pm

re: #71 Charles

The Wall Street Journal was recently bought by Rupert Murdoch.

Interesting I didn’t know that. I guess that explains a lot of the conspiracy theories and bullshit published in their Op-ed pages.

126 avanti  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:17:14pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.startribune.com…]

From your link :”The blame for the delays has been placed in part on the chicken-egg technology. It is a slow process, and the pressure on manufacturers to produce two vaccines at the same time — for both swine flu and ordinary flu — has made it even slower.”
Hard to blame that on Obama.

127 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:17:20pm

re: #121 pdc_lgf

It was “Heckuva Job Brownie.”

The knock against President Bush was that he appointed cronies; and, put way, way too much emphasis on personal loyalty. Like sticking with D. Rumsfeld for, like, forever.

In the case of “Brownie,” the man had no identifiable credentials for whatever his job was supposed to be.

that’s correct; “Brownie” had no credentials, and that whole episode was an embarrassment.

But the lack of preparation for Katrina, and the failure to address the immediate aftermath, lies solely on the shoulders of Blanco and Nagin.

128 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:17:41pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Interesting I didn’t know that. I guess that explains a lot of the conspiracy theories and bullshit published in their Op-ed pages.

Indeed it does.

129 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:18:03pm

re: #116 boyo

you dream of Americans not having vaccines and our president being the one to blame? yikes …worse than my nightmares :(

That didn’t come out right. Sorry, of course I don’t wish that. I have two step kid critters to worry about myself. I met that I have an opinion, and I think the administration is going to get a lot of backlash from this.

sorry again for the bad wording.

130 bombay311  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:18:29pm

re: #126 avanti

From your link :”The blame for the delays has been placed in part on the chicken-egg technology. It is a slow process, and the pressure on manufacturers to produce two vaccines at the same time — for both swine flu and ordinary flu — has made it even slower.”
Hard to blame that on Obama.

We should cut the salary of the top egg producers

131 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:18:30pm

The Wall Street Journal’s editorial pages lurched to the far right immediately after the paper was bought by Murdoch.

132 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #91 kilroy

I just heard a news report that said they only have 30million vs 160million shots.

It’s virtually unavailable except to emergency personnel and hospital patients. Even hospital personnel where my wife works are not eligible for vaccination, maybe next month they are being told. This has the potential for real disaster, there have been quite a few deaths locally already, mostly to young people.

This is a serious problem

133 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:19:41pm

re: #126 avanti

From your link :”The blame for the delays has been placed in part on the chicken-egg technology. It is a slow process, and the pressure on manufacturers to produce two vaccines at the same time — for both swine flu and ordinary flu — has made it even slower.”
Hard to blame that on Obama.

The federal government projected 120 million doses. I’m not blaming anything, in the sense of blame, I’m taking about taking responsibility, they are running this show.

134 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:19:54pm

re: #131 Charles

The Wall Street Journal’s editorial pages lurched to the far right immediately after the paper was bought by Murdoch.

Craziness is a growth industry.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:20:49pm

I use facebook all of the time. She has never, not once, commented on my status.

Maybe I should “friend” her.

136 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:21:00pm

re: #71 Charles

The Wall Street Journal was recently bought by Rupert Murdoch.

Right around two years ago. But, from Wikipedia:

In an editorial page column, publisher L. Gordon Crovitz said the Bancrofts and News Corp. had agreed that the Journal’s news and opinion sections would preserve their editorial independence from their new corporate parent:[23]
“ Mr. Murdoch told the Bancrofts that ‘any interference — or even hint of interference — would break the trust that exists between the paper and its readers, something I am unwilling to countenance.’ … Mr. Murdoch and the Bancrofts agreed on standards modeled on the longstanding Dow Jones Code of Conduct.

Over the years the WSJ has done a good job of keeping its editorial page and its news content separate. Unlike a certain “newspaper of record” we could bring up…

137 Buck  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:21:14pm

The media is only noticing now that this guy is getting traditional Republican support. Making it seem like Sarah Palin is the only traditional conservative breaking ranks. However Fred Thompson, Michele Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin support Hoffman as well.

138 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:22:35pm

re: #132 The Shadow Do

Surprisingly it’s available in Nevada, at least Reno, for free. Harry takes care of his voters.

139 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:22:50pm

re: #126 avanti

From your link :”The blame for the delays has been placed in part on the chicken-egg technology. It is a slow process, and the pressure on manufacturers to produce two vaccines at the same time — for both swine flu and ordinary flu — has made it even slower.”
Hard to blame that on Obama.

you don’t get it…why is he involved making promises he has no control over and can’t deliver on?…why do you think think the right is going crazy?…people take him at his word, then he falls flat on his face…Iran knows this, Israel knows this, Putin knows this, the Checks and Poles know it and the American people are waking up to the fact that BO is mostly smoke and no fire

140 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #77 albusteve

…I wonder if this may be some precursor to the end of a two party system…just curious


I feel your pain. I don’t think this is the end of the two party system. The way our electoral system is set up doesn’t really allow for more than two or three parties. 3rd party upsets are very unlikely. The system is designed so that the two large moderate parties absorb and integrate smaller parties as they pop up.
I’m starting to think that we’re going to see a fairly serious power struggle for the Republican party. It’s up for grabs. The party is fairly well established but there are people in the wings with money and influence who would love to have their very own major political party. It’s quite a prize and it’s up for grabs. Anything could happen.

141 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:23:14pm

re: #137 Buck

The media is only noticing now that this guy is getting traditional Republican support. Making it seem like Sarah Palin is the only traditional conservative breaking ranks. However Fred Thompson, Michele Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin support Hoffman as well.

Further evidence the Party has gone off the tracks.

142 theheat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:23:34pm

re: #120 Charles

El Rushbo said this before and after the last election. He believed conservatism lost its luster because people weren’t conservative enough. And, if anybody’s noticed, he’s only gone more radically to the right ever since.

But at this stage, I really don’t care if they implode. I’d rather put a stake in the heart of the GOP and call it done. As they go farther and farther right, they’re only ensuring their own demise, alienating anyone to the center or left. The GOP doesn’t need reform, they need a mercy killing. If it were a car, you’d be nuts to throw any more money at it. Scrap it, and start over.

143 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:23:40pm

Keep away from the Whigs, please Sarah.

144 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:23:47pm

re: #138 kilroy

Surprisingly it’s available in Nevada, at least Reno, for free. Harry takes care of his voters.

That’s actually pretty disgusting.

145 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:24:16pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I use facebook all of the time. She has never, not once, commented on my status.

Maybe I should “friend” her.

Sara(h) is the poet in your soul.

146 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #137 Buck

The media is only noticing now that this guy is getting traditional Republican support. Making it seem like Sarah Palin is the only traditional conservative breaking ranks. However Fred Thompson, Michele Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin support Hoffman as well.

That’s part of the Republican crack-up. The leadership is trying to elect Republicans, while the base wants to elect conservatives. The Big Tent is folding up for the present.

147 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:24:19pm

re: #120 Charles

The WSJ is massively over-generalizing, extrapolating from what is normally a Republican safe seat in a very right-wing enclave in New York State, to the US in general.

The New York Legislature is as bizarre and dysfunctional as they come. The stuff in the papers here is borderline hilarious at times. I believe the Republican candidate getting the non-endorsements is a creaturee of that legislature. She’s also been running a very lame campaign.

Fred “The Undertaker” Thompson endorsed Hoffman.
Rep Bachmann did the same.
Now Ms. Palin. I think the first two endorsements were sincere. My guess is that Ms. Palin is doing whatever it will take to grab a few headlines - and hoping no reporters will ask her questions.

Interestingly, the WSJ continues to lose money under Murdoch’s leadership.

148 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:24:24pm

re: #18 Charles

James Dobson’s “Family Research Council” says: We’d Rather Lose The Seat Then See a Liberal Republican Win.

Of course they would. Losing a mere election will not hurt their donations, or reduce sales of their books, health supplements, bumperstickers, videos, homeschooling guides, etc. Indeed, having a Dem administration and Congress to demonize will probably help them.

149 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:25:29pm

re: #143 Ojoe

Keep away from the Whigs, please Sarah.

you think that creature on her head could be real?

150 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:26:00pm

re: #132 The Shadow Do

My wife is high risk. First in line the last several years for the seasonal. Since August we have been told November.

151 theheat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:26:02pm

re: #137 Buck

That’s worth at least three gold stars on the report card.
//

152 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:26:40pm

re: #146 The Sanity Inspector

That’s been for a while now.

153 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:26:47pm

re: #136 The Sanity Inspector

Over the years the WSJ has done a good job of keeping its editorial page and its news content separate. Unlike a certain “newspaper of record” we could bring up…

If you believe that, there’s a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap.

I’ve definitely seen a BIG change in the WSJ’s editorial direction since the Murdoch buy-out.

154 kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:27:09pm

re: #144 The Shadow Do
I’m serious, both shot and nasal, check the Reno Gazette-Journal. Will govt health care be the same?

155 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:27:23pm

Whig Party not extinct.
Cool Whig Video.

156 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:06pm

Or just maybe the GOP was always this crazy.. Just a thought.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:34pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

I was quite the fan of Gov. Palin… Willie Nelson song (IIRC)

“Went to bed a two with a ten
Woke up at ten with a two.”

158 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:35pm

Dammit, I’ve gotta give up the ‘puter. Wife wants to soften her brains with her online Korean dramas. See you tomorrow, then.

159 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #155 Ojoe

The thing about them is they have not really been vetted. No election fights not much attention in general. Tell me why would I jump from indy to Whig?

160 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #155 Ojoe

Whig Party not extinct.
Cool Whig Video.

from your link:

Louisiana

The Louisiana Chapter is currently seeking a chair to lead this growing movement.

Maybe I should sign up. But they don’t say who to contact.

161 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:40pm

re: #149 Conservative Moonbat

Real hair I think, though quite styled.

Just a ponytail is good enough for me.

162 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:28:54pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

I feel your pain. I don’t think this is the end of the two party system. The way our electoral system is set up doesn’t really allow for more than two or three parties. 3rd party upsets are very unlikely. The system is designed so that the two large moderate parties absorb and integrate smaller parties as they pop up.
I’m starting to think that we’re going to see a fairly serious power struggle for the Republican party. It’s up for grabs. The party is fairly well established but there are people in the wings with money and influence who would love to have their very own major political party. It’s quite a prize and it’s up for grabs. Anything could happen.

I don’t suspect we will turn into another Italy, but it’s the speed and quality of legislation that will suffer…socons will stop at nothing it seems and without stern direction and leadership this could go on for years…I guess that’s what you just said…I agree

163 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:29:41pm

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

My wife is high risk. First in line the last several years for the seasonal. Since August we have been told November.

Yup, my wife is exposed to patient after patient 40 plus hours a week with the virus. There is vaccine available but in limited supply. Patients first. Maybe November if she doesn’t get sick first which is highly likely.

164 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:29:51pm

Gday all,

Happy birthday LGF, posting from Oz, so it must be real close now…
Charles, do you ever wake up and feel like its groundhog day?

Heres a bit of music for you

Congratulations Charles, 9 long years.
Everyone, hip hip hooray…

165 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:30:24pm

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

My wife is high risk. First in line the last several years for the seasonal. Since August we have been told November.

A for instance. The Jefferson County H1N1 Swine Influenza Quick Reference page has no information as to where the vaccine is. The have a link to a third party web site, which show of list of place that WILL have it, but there is not one single article or piece of information that tell you how much has been delivered or where it is.

[Link: www.co.jefferson.co.us…]

Two weeks ago, we get this article (Lakewood is in Jefferson COuntry).

“LAKEWOOD, Colo. — The wait for the swine flu vaccine’s arrival in Colorado is over. But it won’t be available at your local doctor’s office until at least next week, if not longer.”

[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com…]

But even those doses won’t go out of local storage facilities until Monday.

“If we do have to say no, it’s going to be a very short period of time where we’re going to say no. We’ve already put in an order for our next supply of not only the flu mist but the injectables, which should be showing up sometime next week,” Erwin said. “It’s just gonna start coming at us pretty heavily and pretty fast.”

That was two week ago.

Where is it?

166 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:30:31pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

Here is the Whig party contact page.

Lincoln went back.

/channeling Lincoln

167 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:30:35pm

re: #154 kilroy

I’m serious, both shot and nasal, check the Reno Gazette-Journal. Will govt health care be the same?

Not bloody likely

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:30:35pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

I understand “Patients first” but what if all of the medical staff become patients themselves. Then what?

169 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:31:10pm

re: #156 Mich-again

Or just maybe the GOP was always this crazy.. Just a thought.

No

170 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:31:14pm

I’m not an expert in New York politics, but I seem to recall that the Conservative Party is not necessarily a third party, but more like an interest group that endorses candidates. They rarely if ever run candidates on their own ticket, and have even endorsed conservative Dems over more liberal ones. I’d hardly call Palin’s move a third party play—yet. But it is curious that this endorsement was made on top of her book release. Clearly the intent was to suggest third party leanings—but in a way that she could back off from in the future if she wanted to.

171 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I understand “Patients first” but what if all of the medical staff become patients themselves. Then what?

Management does. not. care.
Being sued would be a much bigger distraction.

172 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

Yup, my wife is exposed to patient after patient 40 plus hours a week with the virus. There is vaccine available but in limited supply. Patients first. Maybe November if she doesn’t get sick first which is highly likely.

shcools all across south central/west Michigan are closed down…Bronson Hospital in Kalamazoo is in a state of code…staff is short, there is no vax and people everywhere are getting sick…unbelievable

173 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:32:31pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

God bless her. I am amazed at the risks ordinary health workers take day to day. We are afraid to sit in the clinics with all the sick people to get the shot. So we wait for the private doc to come through. In the meantime our hands dry out from washing and washing. You know the drill.

174 BLBfootballs  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:32:34pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Interesting… WHO says possible pandemic, CDC says something else, you say what you say… seems we can’t get the same story twice…

Over a thousand cases in Colorado where I live.

Start by reading to the end of this NYTimes piece to start getting an idea of just how comparatively mild H1N1 is.

175 shiplord kirel  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:32:52pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

H1N1 and the supply (or lack of supply) of vaccines will be Obama’s Katrina.

One big difference: The wet, hungry people in New Orleans actually wanted help. Nuts left and right are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine as though it were literal poison, which some claim it is.
Farrakhan: H1N1 Vaccine Developed to Kill People

176 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:33:03pm

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I understand “Patients first” but what if all of the medical staff become patients themselves. Then what?

How does patients first make any sense, if the medical professionals all get the damn flu who is left to administer the vaccine.

177 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

“In unity there is strength,” I think is why.

Even a few percent of the independents acting together will have a big moderating impact.

And, a “real” third party will start to make hash of the ridiculous gerrymandering of “safe” districts, which put the electorate to sleep and allow the legislators to run the country like a private club.

178 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:34:13pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

God bless her. I am amazed at the risks ordinary health workers take day to day. We are afraid to sit in the clinics with all the sick people to get the shot. So we wait for the private doc to come through. In the meantime our hands dry out from washing and washing. You know the drill.

She now suits up like a hazmat disposal worker to do her job. Uncomfortable to say the least.

179 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:34:23pm

re: #175 shiplord kirel

One big difference: The wet, hungry people in New Orleans actually wanted help. Nuts left and right are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine as though it were literal poison, which some claim it is.
Farrakhan: H1N1 Vaccine Developed to Kill People

the wet, hungry people of NO live on others help…cruel but true

180 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:34:35pm

re: #177 Ojoe

Okay well said. Up 1

181 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:34:58pm

re: #170 BryanS

You are correct about the NY Conservative Party. It’s a club. They generally just endorse candidates.

182 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:35:28pm

re: #176 soxfan4life

How does patients first make any sense, if the medical professionals all get the damn flu who is left to administer the vaccine.

See my #171

183 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:35:39pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

It has a low production rate, an MD friend told me. They only get 3 doses per egg, and maybe you need more than one dose too.

184 Kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:36:04pm

re: #167 The Shadow Do

[Link: www.rgj.com…]
Try this story, maybe a potentially close Senate race attracks vaccine.

185 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:36:06pm

re: #177 Ojoe

“In unity there is strength,” I think is why.

Even a few percent of the independents acting together will have a big moderating impact.

And, a “real” third party will start to make hash of the ridiculous gerrymandering of “safe” districts, which put the electorate to sleep and allow the legislators to run the country like a private club.

Ask Florida’s Nader supporters—or Buchanan supporters, LOL— if they were happy with their decision to support their candidate over Gore.

186 Stanghazi  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:36:35pm

Good evening LGF. News update - Soupy Sales just died.

187 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:36:42pm

re: #169 The Shadow Do

No

I suppose. but who is it that just joined to make it so crazy? I think they were always there.

188 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:36:52pm

re: #179 albusteve

the wet, hungry people of NO live on others help…cruel but true

Must Concur.

189 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:37:36pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Good evening LGF. News update - Soupy Sales just died.

Too bad. RIP Soupy and whitefang too. I used to crack up at his show.

190 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:37:58pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Good evening LGF. News update - Soupy Sales just died.

bummer, met him in a shoe store one time…we chatted and he gave me his autograph which I threw away

191 BLBfootballs  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:38:02pm

re: #175 shiplord kirel

One big difference: The wet, hungry people in New Orleans actually wanted help. Nuts left and right are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine as though it were literal poison, which some claim it is.
Farrakhan: H1N1 Vaccine Developed to Kill People

I’m rejecting the vaccine — because there’s no freakin’ need for it!

192 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:38:24pm

re: #185 BryanS

I’ve had it anymore with candidates chosen by the fringies who are addicted to primary races and political conventions. I’ll write my own name in first, I’d be better than any of the recent candidates.

193 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:38:44pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Oh man. That just sucks. I remember some breat fun with his stuff!

194 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:13pm

re: #184 Kilroy

[Link: www.rgj.com…]
Try this story, maybe a potentially close Senate race attracks vaccine.

Ain’t no maybe about it.

195 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:24pm

Sarah:

You know I love you and we’re plotting to take over the world together and make it safe for whirlybird wolf hunters and all, but you really, really need to call me before you go off *cough* half-caulked like this.

—Cato

196 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:29pm

Good night all! Been fun as always.

197 swamprat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:41pm

The republicans have seen worse times than these;

One of my favorite stories from American folklore involves a guide in the Colorado Rockies. He took a party of hunters into the mountains, where they were trapped by a blizzard. Only the guide survived.

When the spring thaw came, it was learned that the guide had survived by killing and eating his companions. He was arrested, tried for murder and convicted.

When he appeared for sentencing before a Republican judge, he asked the judge for mercy.

“Mercy, hell,” the judge snorted. “There were only 10 Republicans in the whole county, and you ate five of them.”

198 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:43pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Good evening LGF. News update - Soupy Sales just died.

Nuts

199 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:46pm

re: #175 shiplord kirel

One big difference: The wet, hungry people in New Orleans actually wanted help. Nuts left and right are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine as though it were literal poison, which some claim it is.
Farrakhan: H1N1 Vaccine Developed to Kill People

My statement had nothing to do with who wants the vaccine or who doesn’t want it, idiots are idiots.

The fact of the matter is, it appears that there is a problem with getting anywhere near as many doses out to the public as was estimated.

And BLBfootballs above said the Times article says it’s mild. The cases I have seen, personally seen, is as bad as any flu.

So, what’s the truth, WHO says pandemic, CDC says bad, others say this and that…

Actually it sounds like the whole thing is being badly managed.

200 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:39:51pm

re: #179 albusteve

the wet, hungry people of NO live on others help…cruel but true

Many do.
And that isn’t exactly news - Nagin and Blanco knew that ahead of time, knew that many folks there had no resources to fall back on, and the two of them failed miserably to provide what was needed.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:40:18pm

re: #175 shiplord kirel

One big difference: The wet, hungry people in New Orleans actually wanted help. Nuts left and right are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine as though it were literal poison, which some claim it is.
Farrakhan: H1N1 Vaccine Developed to Kill People

Oh, Farrakhan’s always claiming something was developed to kill people. I’m amazed any of us, especially Farrakhan, are still alive.

202 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:40:28pm

re: #172 albusteve

shcools all across south central/west Michigan are closed down…Bronson Hospital in Kalamazoo is in a state of code…staff is short, there is no vax and people everywhere are getting sick…unbelievable

My dad is about to start an 8 week cancer treatment program in Houston. The thing is he had TB has a kid in addition to having asthma now. His lungs are like tissue paper. I don’t like the idea of him spending all that time in and out of the hospital if he hasn’t had both shots. The flu will kill him faster than the cancer will.

203 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #187 Mich-again

I suppose. but who is it that just joined to make it so crazy? I think they were always there.

The weird alliance with the bible beaters. It has been downhill ever since.

204 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:40:58pm

re: #183 Ojoe

It has a low production rate, an MD friend told me. They only get 3 doses per egg, and maybe you need more than one dose too.

Then why did the federal government tell us that there would be 120 million doses by this time. I can’t even find a single dose in this area for everyday common people.

205 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:41:13pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

Caulking eventually fails and lets in water, it is better to rely on gravity to keep your place dry: pitch to drain & use shingles.

(architect comment)

BBL

206 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:41:14pm

I’m curious as to all the grand standing regarding the 23rd district of New York. Douglas Hoffman has no political experience. His primary career has been as a certified public accountant. His business “experience” seems to focus on an apparently nepotistic organization called Hoffman Family Enterprises.

While John M. McHugh is apparently “pro-life” it’s interesting to note that he voted for both version of the stimulus legislation. I just came across an article claiming that this election regarding Douglas Hoffman will define the Republican party as it relates to “ideological purity” and another claiming that Douglas Hoffman may be the next GOP superstar. If he does become a superstar that should prove to be a surprise because to date, Mr. Hoffman has accomplished nothing in the political sphere.

207 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:41:24pm
208 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:41:42pm

re: #176 soxfan4life

How does patients first make any sense, if the medical professionals all get the damn flu who is left to administer the vaccine.

South Carolina has some H1N1 injectible vaccine, but according to our state health department (Called them this morning) right now it is for healthcare workers. Person on the phone told me the supply was just starting to arrive; newspaper said that 171 shots were given last week.

209 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:42:00pm

re: #206 Gus 802

OT - hows the move coming?

210 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:42:18pm

re: #206 Gus 802

So he’s overqualified. There are worse failings.

211 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:42:47pm

re: #209 Walter L. Newton

OT - hows the move coming?

Slowly, getting everything cleared up and ready to tape up some boxes. It’s a pain.

212 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, Farrakhan’s always claiming something was developed to kill people. I’m amazed any of us, especially Farrakhan, are still alive.

You’d think Farrakhan would have figured out by now that if he’s still alive out of all those things developed to kill people, maybe his premise is wrong.

213 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:44:25pm

OK - got my auto-reply from the Modern Whig Party. I hope I get contacted by a real person.

214 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:44:43pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

You’d think Farrakhan would have figured out by now that if he’s still alive out of all those things developed to kill people, maybe his premise is wrong.

Admitting that might cut into his revenue stream .

215 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:44:51pm
216 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:45:10pm

re: #213 reine.de.tout

OK - got my auto-reply from the Modern Whig Party. I hope I get contacted by a real person.

don’t hold your breath, you’ll be as blue in the face as I am!

217 swamprat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:45:23pm

re: #215 MikeySDCA

Try buying a house.

218 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:45:24pm

re: #200 reine.de.tout

Many do.
And that isn’t exactly news - Nagin and Blanco knew that ahead of time, knew that many folks there had no resources to fall back on, and the two of them failed miserably to provide what was needed.

yes, with respect…I sat up all night long, ignoring my rad tech studies, drinking wine and praying that damned thing would turn…for awhile I thought it might go slightly west then boom, right through the uprights…as the days went by I was outraged and saddened when the political nature of the thing was exposed…I have no beef whatsoever with the ordinary citizens down there…it’s a historical problem, and I think nothing of it when I’ve been there to visit…

219 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:45:44pm

re: #214 soxfan4life

Admitting that might cut into his revenue stream .

That’s what Flomax is for!

220 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:45:58pm

re: #216 SteveC

don’t hold your breath, you’ll be as blue in the face as I am!

{stevec}

221 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:14pm

re: #192 Ojoe

I’ve had it anymore with candidates chosen by the fringies who are addicted to primary races and political conventions. I’ll write my own name in first, I’d be better than any of the recent candidates.

That’s probably true. As much as I’d like to see a moderate center party—in the vein of classical liberalism—it’s just not going to happen. I’d rather support candidates that are socially liberal and fiscally conservative when I can, and upstanding individuals even if they do not align with me politically.

One of my US Senators, Feingold, is quite an upstanding individual. Despite being far left in every way, I can agree with him on his stances on civil liberties while disagreeing with him strongly on economic issues. But he is one of the most honest politicians that can exist—a rare quality that deserves to be in the Senate even if I don’t agree with all his positions. I don’t need a perfect party to find candidates that I can support.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:17pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

You’d think Farrakhan would have figured out by now that if he’s still alive out of all those things developed to kill people, maybe his premise is wrong.

I don’t think the search for the truth is really high on Louis Farrakhan’s list of things to do.

223 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:17pm

re: #215 MikeySDCA

Moving is the second most traumatic experience after the death of a spouse. Keep the faith.

Thanks. Wish I had a giant shredder to throw things in.

224 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:25pm

re: #136 The Sanity Inspector

Over the years the WSJ has done a good job of keeping its editorial page and its news content separate. Unlike a certain “newspaper of record” we could bring up…

Murdoch and NewsCorp lied to make the deal…the proof’s in the pudding.

225 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:39pm

To bed… Night all.

226 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:46:46pm
227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:47:35pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

wow.

Snake Pliskon moment there for me. Seriously.

Maybe that was Nipsy Russel.

228 Bloodnok  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:47:51pm

re: #213 reine.de.tout

OK - got my auto-reply from the Modern Whig Party. I hope I get contacted by a real person.

Ojoe, do you get a commission for this? Referral bonus? anything?

229 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:47:59pm

re: #224 talon_262

Lied about what?

230 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:48:03pm

Palin AND Bachmann have endorsed this guy?

Okey dokey, then. Sounds like a test case!

Let’s see how this “New Republican Party” works!

Personal bet? Epic fail.

231 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:48:25pm

re: #131 Charles

The Wall Street Journal’s editorial pages lurched to the far right immediately after the paper was bought by Murdoch.

I mentioned that yesterday.
It’s pretty clear.
I’ve read the WSJ for years and the difference is startling. And depressing. I truly think he is using it to shore up Beck and the much mire profitable Television revenues… if the WSJ thinks it and Beck does, hoe can it not be true? Or of importance?
This is the real result of the deregulation of the FCC’s over-site of papers and news outlets.
It’s frightening. And it’s be frightening if the left was doing it.
Murdoch does not have the best interest of this nation in mind, he has profits.

232 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:48:52pm
233 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:49:07pm

re: #206 Gus 802

and another claiming that Douglas Hoffman may be the next GOP superstar

Uh no. Dude smiles and traffic slows down. He might win and he might be a great guy but he isn’t going to be a superstar.

234 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #231 doubter4444

I mentioned that yesterday.
It’s pretty clear.
I’ve read the WSJ for years and the difference is startling. And depressing. I truly think he is using it to shore up Beck and the much more profitable Television revenues… if the WSJ thinks it and Beck does, how can it not be true? Or of importance?
This is the real result of the deregulation of the FCC’s over-site of papers and news outlets.
It’s frightening. And it’s be frightening if the left was doing it.
Murdoch does not have the best interest of this nation in mind, he has profits.

Lord above, PIMF…

235 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:50:09pm

hear it all the time from Hannity et.al - that they are “Conservatives” first and formost.
The GOP was a useful Vehicle for them - but as soon as something else shiny comes along - the “movement” of these conservatives toward it is obviously just a big number 2.

236 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:51:03pm

re: #221 BryanS


One of my US Senators, Feingold, is quite an upstanding individual. Despite being far left in every way, I can agree with him on his stances on civil liberties while disagreeing with him strongly on economic issues. But he is one of the most honest politicians that can exist—a rare quality that deserves to be in the Senate even if I don’t agree with all his positions. I don’t need a perfect party to find candidates that I can support.

I agree with you. He’s a bit left for me too and I’m a Democrat. He is, however, one of the most upstanding members of congress. I’ve signed a couple “draft Feingold for president” petitions.

237 Kilroy  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:51:16pm

re: #232 MikeySDCA I remember the Chief saying 3 moves equal a fire!

238 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:51:24pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Palin AND Bachmann have endorsed this guy?

Okey dokey, then. Sounds like a test case!

Let’s see how this “New Republican Party” works!

Personal bet? Epic fail.

Austin, check this article out and let me know what you think. It concerns your old organization.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:51:32pm

re: #235 wozzablog

hear it all the time from Hannity et.al - that they are “Conservatives” first and formost.
The GOP was a useful Vehicle for them - but as soon as something else shiny comes along - the “movement” of these conservatives toward it is obviously just a big number 2.

They’re not conservative. They’re looney tunes.

Just saying.

240 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:51:58pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re not conservative. They’re looney tunes.

Just saying.

thank you.

241 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:52:33pm

re: #231 doubter4444

It must have gone leftward sometime in the 15 year hiatus between when I stopped reading it, and started reading it a bit, again.

The used to publish an ongoing OpEd thing called “The Liberaal Planatation.” Very classy, that. Then there was the editorial about how the national character should be remolded on the model provided by ancient Sparta. I gave up on the it around that time.

242 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:52:50pm

re: #231 doubter4444


[snip]
It’s frightening. And it’s be frightening if the left was doing it.
Murdoch does not have the best interest of this nation in mind, he has profits.

But I thought the “business of government is business”? Calvin Coolidge was president during the late 1920’s, and that worked out as swell. Just as it has recently in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s.

243 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:53:00pm

re: #233 Mich-again

Uh no. Dude smiles and traffic slows down. He might win and he might be a great guy but he isn’t going to be a superstar.

Yeah. Don’t understand the interest considering the previous representative was a Republican. Zero sum gain. About the only thing it serves is an ideological purity test as was mentioned. In the end it’s subject to the will of the people and the election. Frankly, I don’t find any of these candidates interesting.

244 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:53:12pm

Aggh!
My internet was down for the last three hours! Is it too late for me to say that my “mother of Pearl” reference to The Scarlet Letter on the last thread was intentional? The most literary reference I’ve made in my memory and my internet craps out on me literally the second after I make it!

245 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:54:20pm

re: #106 Charles

No way. You’re dreaming.

It’s available at my kids school for free.
At my doctors.
At the Rite Aid.
You are dreaming.

246 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:54:32pm

re: #229 pdc_lgf

Lied about what?

About keeping editorial control of the WSJ separate from NewsCorp’s control…like Charles said, they lurched towards the far right after the sale was completed.

247 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:55:24pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #240 reine.de.tout


ok… ok… “self professed conservatives like Hannity…”

248 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:55:24pm

re: #235 wozzablog

The GOP was a useful Vehicle for them - but as soon as something else shiny comes along - the “movement” of these conservatives toward it is obviously just a big number 2.

The USA is designed around a two-party system. And these conservatives hate Dems even worse than they hate rational conservatives. They were always right there in the ranks of GOP voters, but with the post-GWB leadership vacuum, the nutter faction wants to take over and purge the centrists. Which will lead them to failure in the general elections.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:56:01pm

re: #240 reine.de.tout

thank you.

Quite welcome!

250 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:56:57pm

re: #248 Mich-again

The USA is designed around a two-party system. And these conservatives hate Dems even worse than they hate rational conservatives. They were always right there in the ranks of GOP voters, but with the post-GWB leadership vacuum, the nutter faction wants to take over and purge the centrists. Which will lead them to failure in the general elections.

so who’s gonna win the Kentucky Derby next spring?

251 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:57:53pm

re: #236 Conservative Moonbat

I agree with you. He’s a bit left for me too and I’m a Democrat. He is, however, one of the most upstanding members of congress. I’ve signed a couple “draft Feingold for president” petitions.

Yeah—he’s one of the few Dems that has earned a position on Obama’s “black list”. One of the reasons is his calling out Obama for essentially using his czars to replace the Senatorial role of advice and consent in cabinet appointments. He’s also pushed back on the costs of Obama’s socialized medicine plans.

252 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:58:11pm

When an American political party purges anyone, its a double hit. They lose one vote and give their opponent one vote. Shrinking the party instead of growing it is doomed to fail.

253 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:58:48pm

re: #250 albusteve

so who’s gonna win the Kentucky Derby next spring?

A horse.

254 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:58:51pm

Referring to a previous post’s notice of the BNP shill’s attendance (Nick Griffin) at the BBC and the attendant protests, here’s his highlights:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

Whack a doodle!

255 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:59:14pm

Schwarzenegger just signed a 150 million dollar bond measure to help finance a new stadium east of LA. No team for the stadium yet; sand they aren’t going after a new team. They’re going to try to talk an established team into moving.

Bunch of idiots.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #241 pdc_lgf

It must have gone leftward sometime in the 15 year hiatus between when I stopped reading it, and started reading it a bit, again.

The used to publish an ongoing OpEd thing called “The Liberaal Planatation.” Very classy, that. Then there was the editorial about how the national character should be remolded on the model provided by ancient Sparta. I gave up on the it around that time.

Sparta? Late marriages, the glorification of homosexuality, deliberate state-controlled elimination of the nuclear family, infanticide, the maintenance of a underclass subject to routine state-authorized pogroms, total control by the state over one’s children’s education, and young women exercising nekkid in public. Isn’t that what all American conservatives strive for?

///personally, I’m cool with the homosexuality and the nekkid young women, but the rest of it I think I must pass on.

257 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 8:59:43pm

re: #250 albusteve

so who’s gonna win the Kentucky Derby next spring?

It will probably be a horse, but you can never be sure!

258 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:00:03pm

re: #246 talon_262

Oh I’m not doubting that Murdoch lied and lies. I just want to know what happened. I tried working up an interest in the online opinion section, but it seems to be written pretty much on automatic pilot. So I gave up.

Someone at the NYT wrote something to the effect that Fox makes big money, whereas the WSJ is losing lots of money. I’m not sure how that information is deduced - if it’s all one company, do the financial reports have to break out P and L by for each of the company’s holdings?

259 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:00:15pm

re: #255 SteveC

If you build it, they will come.

260 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:00:19pm

re: #253 Mich-again

A horse.

re: #257 SteveC

It will probably be a horse, but you can never be sure!

Great minds, great minds!

261 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:00:31pm

re: #231 doubter4444


it used to be a proper News paper. now almost everything in it comes with a point of view/agenda attached on the straight news pages.

I still think though that for a balanced, realistic and interesting read on money matters the Economist magazine is just about the only place to be - other than the FT.

262 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:00:51pm

re: #260 SteveC

JinX!

263 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:01:23pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Good evening LGF. News update - Soupy Sales just died.

If I see “f’, you see “k”.

Classic guerilla comedy.

RIP.

264 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #253 Mich-again

A horse.

Palin’s Pride looks strong

265 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:02:27pm

re: #250 albusteve

so who’s gonna win the Kentucky Derby next spring?

Easy Goer over Sunday Silence by 3-1/2 lengths.

266 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:03:37pm

re: #255 SteveC

Schwarzenegger just signed a 150 million dollar bond measure to help finance a new stadium east of LA. No team for the stadium yet; sand they aren’t going after a new team. They’re going to try to talk an established team into moving.

Bunch of idiots.

Republicans need to cut that kind of crap out if they ever expect to be elected again. Profligate spending got this country to the point it is now. If Repubs are not going to be fiscally conservative, then there is nothing standing int he way of continued unaffordable spending increases.

267 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:03:54pm

re: #264 albusteve

The last horse I won any money on was named Rompaway Henry.

268 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:03:57pm

re: #255 SteveC

Schwarzenegger just signed a 150 million dollar bond measure to help finance a new stadium east of LA. No team for the stadium yet; sand they aren’t going after a new team. They’re going to try to talk an established team into moving.

Bunch of idiots.

Jacksonville…and it may be for the best…too much college ball down there, but who’s gonna pick up the rest of the tab?…Jerry Jones spent 800m for his park

269 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:04:05pm

re: #250 albusteve

so who’s gonna win the Kentucky Derby next spring?

Why Barack Hussein Obama of course. He wins everything.

270 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:04:21pm

re: #264 albusteve

Palin’s Pride looks strong

Palin’s Pride will break down halfway through the race. The horse is not ready for the big time. Even if it goes the distance, Hopeychange will beat it by five lengths.

271 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:04:23pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Yup. It was demented. “Come home with victory or on your shield,” the mothers were encouraged to say. I use that line when my colleagues go out for their biweekly lunchtime soccer game.

272 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:06:24pm

re: #267 Mich-again

The last horse I won any money on was named Rompaway Henry.

I won over 400 bucks on Secretariat…pulled his name out of a pool and thought, this sissy will never win

273 bosforus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:07:44pm

re: #272 albusteve

I won over 400 bucks on Secretariat…pulled his name out of a pool and thought, this sissy will never win

How long did it take you to get your guessing confidence back after that one?

274 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:08:13pm

re: #272 albusteve

What race? How much did you bet?

275 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:08:15pm

The Yankeees looose, the Yankeees looose.

276 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:08:39pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Palin’s Pride will break down halfway through the race. The horse is not ready for the big time. Even if it goes the distance, Hopeychange will beat it by five lengths.

and a hundred million people will orgasm simultaneously…the story behind the story

277 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:08:41pm

re: #248 Mich-again

I’m not saying it’s a smart stratergy on behalf of “media” or “total package conservative (TPC)” Sonservative lunytunes but it’s one that seems to be happneing - if the GOPer isn’t a TPC they aren’t worth the effort - and third parties and independents can only break through when there is a Strong personal vote attached to them like Sanders of Lieberman.

Club For Growth and the NRA are backing TPC candidates even against GOPers as we’ve seen - from the wingnut lunytune fringe against very conservative rationalists - in 2010 i would not be surpised either if those fissures forced Rational conservatives to vote Democrat again in some southern areas to prevent nutsoid marginal figures making it into the legislature - and there are worse outthere than Bachman waiting opportunity.

278 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:09:03pm

re: #255 SteveC

Schwarzenegger just signed a 150 million dollar bond measure to help finance a new stadium east of LA. No team for the stadium yet; sand they aren’t going after a new team. They’re going to try to talk an established team into moving.

Bunch of idiots.

California can still sell bonds?

279 jaunte  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:09:20pm

Gene (Harry’s Place) suggests that the tea party protests are backfiring.

So what has been the result of all the sound and fury? According to a Washington Post-ABC News poll this week, large majorities of Americans favor two of the most controversial and “socialistic” aspects of Obama’s health care reform– a government insurance plan to compete with private insurers and a mandate that every American have health insurance. In fact support for the public option increased from 52 percent to 57 percent since the town halls of August. (Perhaps endorsements from Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly and Shepard Smith had something to do with it.)

And you’d think the massive public outrage against the Obama administration that we’ve been hearing and reading about from the Right would have spilled over into an increase in support for the Republicans in Congress who are doing their best to thwart his nefarious plans. But no; only 20 percent of those polled by The Post-ABC consider themselves Republicans, down six points since last November’s election (and five points since August).[Link: www.hurryupharry.org…]

280 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:09:28pm

re: #275 soxfan4life

The Yankeees looose, the Yankeees looose.

Is it law that Red Sox fans must root against the Yankees, even when the Sox aren’t playing them?

281 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:09:39pm

re: #272 albusteve

I won over 400 bucks on Secretariat…pulled his name out of a pool and thought, this sissy will never win

I watched all 3 of those races that Summer.

282 swamprat  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:10:01pm

re: #278 Conservative Moonbat

California can still sell bonds?


Why not; Ford can still sell cars.

283 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:10:25pm

re: #274 pdc_lgf

What race? How much did you bet?

it was a blind pool…1971 or 2…there were quite a few of us, maybe forty people…do the math…it was cheap

284 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:10:52pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Austin, check this article out and let me know what you think. It concerns your old organization.

I was never involved with the missile wings, but the loading of no-shit weapons on a standard mission airplane most definitely got people’s attention. Folks got fired, and deservedly so. I really can’t speak to the rest of the story and therefore have no opinion. Sorry if that seems like a cop-out, but both sides of the story need to be laid out before an opinion can be reached. That’s story is really one-sided.

285 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:11:33pm

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Is it law that Red Sox fans must root against the Yankees, even when the Sox aren’t playing them?

Yes, unless the Yankees were to play the Cowboys or Steelers.

286 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:11:35pm

re: #281 Mich-again

I watched all 3 of those races that Summer.

he was a beast…big, strong and refused to lose

287 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:11:54pm

re: #228 Bloodnok

No, nothing, I just do it for fun, and to hope for some improvement in the country.

Plus, I’m a history buff, and Whigs are way historic, and I like that. “Look, there goes a Whig.” Sort of like “Living History” day at school.

288 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:12:36pm

re: #276 albusteve

and a hundred million people will orgasm simultaneously…the story behind the story

And everyone else will shit straight up!

289 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:12:37pm

Here he his in August.

Youtube Video

Not a very dynamic speaker. He sounds like a CPA.

290 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:12:42pm

re: #283 albusteve

That’s like the Overlay of the Century. Good work.re: #286 albusteve

He got beaten twice late in his three-year-old career. He was vastly overrated. Who did he beat?

291 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:13:05pm

re: #284 austin_blue

I was never involved with the missile wings, but the loading of no-shit weapons on a standard mission airplane most definitely got people’s attention. Folks got fired, and deservedly so. I really can’t speak to the rest of the story and therefore have no opinion. Sorry if that seems like a cop-out, but both sides of the story need to be laid out before an opinion can be reached. That’s story is really one-sided.

Fair enough. I asked because you were the one who’d served in SAC, and I wanted your insight. Thank you for that insight, because it is valued even when it is limited.

292 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:13:26pm

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Is it law that Red Sox fans must root against the Yankees, even when the Sox aren’t playing them?

are you kidding?…it’s not just law, it’s divine proclamation

293 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:13:46pm

re: #285 soxfan4life

Around here there isn’t a real NFL team to root for, so we root for the NFL teams that have our favorite college players on them.

294 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:14:51pm

re: #285 soxfan4life

Yes, unless the Yankees were to play the Cowboys or Steelers.

What do you have against the Cowboys? They don’t play the Patriots that often.

295 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:15:20pm

re: #293 Mich-again

Around here there isn’t a real NFL team to root for, so we root for the NFL teams that have our favorite college players on them.

Maybe Detroit can ask the NFL for a change in venue.

296 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:15:46pm

Doug Hoffman: “I believe in preserving the family values that we all grew up with.”

Youtube Video

So-cons. Again putting everyone to sleep. He also repeats “family values” many times in this video.

297 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:15:49pm

re: #290 pdc_lgf

That’s like the Overlay of the Century. Good work.re: #286 albusteve

He got beaten twice late in his three-year-old career. He was vastly overrated. Who did he beat?

he won the Triple Crown for god’s sake…first time in 25 years…you vastly overrate yourself I think

298 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:16:01pm

re: #293 Mich-again

Around here there isn’t a real NFL team to root for, so we root for the NFL teams that have our favorite college players on them.

Just wait for next Sunday. You’ll actually get to watch the Lions win when they face the Rams.

299 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:16:02pm

Hey Night Lizards!

It rained all day today and promises to do the same tomorrow. Someone told me they saw some snow flakes on their coat sleeve, intermixed with the raindrops (which, I assume, they did not see on their coat sleeve).

How are you-all?

300 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:17:13pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Doug Hoffman: “I believe in preserving the family values that we all grew up with.”


[Video]

So-cons. Again putting everyone to sleep. He also repeats “family values” many times in this video.

So EVERY family has the same values? WTF is he talking about? My family values hard work and self-reliance. Does every family value that?

disclaimer: I didn’t watch the video—just commenting on the post.

301 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:12pm

re: #288 SteveC

And everyone else will shit straight up!

in bed?

302 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:15pm

Remember — Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer!

[Link: www.zazzle.com…]

303 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Doug Hoffman: “I believe in preserving the family values that we all grew up with.”


[Video]So-cons. Again putting everyone to sleep. He also repeats “family values” many times in this video.

Blech! Why do So-cons feel the need to use government to enforce ‘values’?

304 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:34pm

Siena New York 23rd Congressional District Poll:

Owens Leads Scozzafava by 4 & Hoffman by 10 Points
Owens Leads with Dems; Scozzafava with Reps; Hoffman with Independents; Each Leads in One Region of the District
Scozzafava Commercials Turn Off Far More Voters than They Turn On

306 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:44pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

What do you have against the Cowboys? They don’t play the Patriots that often.

When I first came to TX in 1993 I was asked if I was a football fan. I answered of course. Well you do like the Cowboy’s right? No, I like my hometown team the Patriots. Well over the years I saw those diehard Cowboy fans become Cheeseheads, Rams fans, Patriot fans, Indy fans and Steeler fans. So my problem is more with the fans than the organization.

307 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:18:56pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

The day I have circled is November 8th. Miami at New England. Battle of the U of M QB’s.

308 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:19:13pm

re: #293 Mich-again

Around here there isn’t a real NFL team to root for, so we root for the NFL teams that have our favorite college players on them.

that would be the Pat’s then

309 wee fury  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:19:46pm

I’m assuming that Sarah Palin will not be on the Rep. ticket in 2012.

310 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Just wait for next Sunday. You’ll actually get to watch the Lions win when they face the Rams.

Do they get a chance to face the Titans?

311 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:19:48pm

re: #300 ggt

So EVERY family has the same values? WTF is he talking about? My family values hard work and self-reliance. Does every family value that?

disclaimer: I didn’t watch the video—just commenting on the post.

Pretty much a populist meme. Just say you support “family values” and that’s all one needs to do. Somehow I don’t see either abortion or gay marriage as being a local issue in the 23rd District.

312 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:20:01pm

re: #305 SteveC

3:15 PM: Hey dad, I got my driver’s license! 4:00 PM: Hey dad, I lost my driver’s license!

Thanks, my kid has his permit.

313 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:20:26pm

re: #303 BryanS

Blech! Why do So-cons feel the need to use government to enforce ‘values’?

Yep. Typical you know. Out of the boardroom and back into the bedroom.

314 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:21:03pm

re: #299 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

It rained all day today and promises to do the same tomorrow. Someone told me they saw some snow flakes on their coat sleeve, intermixed with the raindrops (which, I assume, they did not see on their coat sleeve).

How are you-all?

There weren’t any snow flakes here in the Near Northwest Suburbs of Chicago, just rain, rain and more rain.

315 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #310 soxfan4life

Do they get a chance to face the Titans?

the Flaming Thumbtacks?…hahaha!

316 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:21:33pm

re: #312 ggt

Thanks, my kid has his permit.

Bless you and all who travel upon the highways and byways of your land!

317 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #309 wee fury

more of a question - would she even support the GOP ticket… ?

318 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #308 albusteve

that would be the Pat’s then

Good guess. My 15 YO has a closet full of ex UM player NFL jerseys. A couple Brady’s in the mix.

319 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:22:11pm

re: #299 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

It rained all day today and promises to do the same tomorrow. Someone told me they saw some snow flakes on their coat sleeve, intermixed with the raindrops (which, I assume, they did not see on their coat sleeve).

How are you-all?

I think, by and large, we are are well. Areas west of Austin got up to 9.5 inches of rain last night, and Lake Travis is expected to fill by 11 feet by tomorrow noon. That’s still several tens of feet below full, but it’s still a good start on ending this drought.

God bless the remnants of a Pacific hurricane and El Nino.

320 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:22:22pm

re: #315 albusteve

the Flaming Thumbtacks?…hahaha!

After last week I think Houston is glad they left town.

321 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:22:24pm

re: #317 wozzablog

even if she was on it ;-)

322 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:22:54pm

re: #297 albusteve

He didn’t race as a four-year-old. He got beat twice in his last starts on dirt, against older horses.

I spent every available Saturday and Sunday at the track from the age of eight, until I left for college. My father was a semi-professional gambler.

If you have a beef with me, air it out. Most racing people will say the same damn thing about Secretariat as I just did. With the exception of the Belmont, the Triple Crown races are hype.

Horses don’t round into form until the fall of their third year, generally.

Seabiscuit was a great horse. Secretariat didn’t hang around long enough to deserve the title.

As I said, if you have a beef with me, air it out.

I’m no expert handicapper. But I saw the great ones race. Horses like Forego and Dr. Fager.

323 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:23:07pm

re: #303 BryanS

Blech! Why do So-cons feel the need to use government to enforce ‘values’?

Because when evangelism doesn’t work, legislate it.

324 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:23:41pm

re: #319 austin_blue

I think, by and large, we are are well. Areas west of Austin got up to 9.5 inches of rain last night, and Lake Travis is expected to fill by 11 feet by tomorrow noon. That’s still several tens of feet below full, but it’s still a good start on ending this drought.

God bless the remnants of a Pacific hurricane and El Nino.

Is it an El Nino year? Last time it came around, it was all we heard on the news. That would explain a lot of the crazy weather we’ve had this year.

325 BryanS  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #323 Mich-again

Because when evangelism doesn’t work, legislate it.

Sounds like a plan…it worked for the Taliban. /

326 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:24:48pm

re: #322 pdc_lgf

Are you saying Secretariat was overrated? Ha.

327 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:25:17pm

re: #319 austin_blue

I think, by and large, we are are well. Areas west of Austin got up to 9.5 inches of rain last night, and Lake Travis is expected to fill by 11 feet by tomorrow noon. That’s still several tens of feet below full, but it’s still a good start on ending this drought.

God bless the remnants of a Pacific hurricane and El Nino.

Forgot to add:

Glad things are looking-up for your part of the world.

328 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:25:36pm

re: #318 Mich-again

Good guess. My 15 YO has a closet full of ex UM player NFL jerseys. A couple Brady’s in the mix.

I was checking his career stats the other day and was just blown away…ridiculous, and that was before last weeks 157 or whatever his rating was

329 SteveC  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:26:03pm

re: #326 Mich-again

Are you saying Secretariat was overrated? Ha.

I think he’s saying that Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball!

/Wild Thing!

330 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #325 BryanS

Sounds like a plan…it worked for the Taliban. /

Celebrating the good ole’ days that never were —by law.

331 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:27:06pm

Prelude to Republican fratricide

GOP candidates in New York and New Jersey should be cruising to victory this November. But angry conservatives would rather hand power to Democrats than help moderate Republicans win.

At the beginning of the summer, most observers expected Republicans to win all three of the big elections on Nov. 3. Two weeks out, it suddenly looks very possible that Republicans will win only one: the Virginia governor’s race. The other two will be lost—not to superior Democratic organizing and messaging, but to the GOP’s own divisions.

By all rights, the special election in New York’s 23rd Congressional District should be a Republican cakewalk. Stretching across the hunting and fishing towns along the Great Lakes and Canadian border, the district contains Fort Drum, base of the 10th Mountain division, and re-elected its Republican congressman in the disaster years of 2006 and 2008 by margins of 60-plus percent.

Yet polls show the Republican candidate in serious trouble. State Republican Party leaders prevented an open primary race and instead engineered the nomination of one of their own, moderate, pro-choice Assemblywoman Deirdre Scozzafava.

Angry conservatives in the 23rd rebelled, rallying to the third-party candidacy of local accountant Doug Hoffman. Hoffman and Scozzafava are splitting the Republican vote between them, allowing Democrat Bill Owen to emerge as the front-runner.

…

Looks like Democrat Bill Owen is in the lead.

332 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:27:31pm

re: #245 doubter4444
If you can’t get the H1N1 vac where you are, come down here to my town… they have doses of it going begging. We were one of the first two areas to get it, and it’s still here. They’re not really enforcing the who gets it first thing, either.

333 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:27:35pm

Secretariat was a beautiful horse. I have have hard time watching the races-because I’m awed by the horses — never pay attention to who is actually winning until the final stretch.

Anyone ever been to the Kentucky Horse Park? BEAUTIFUL horses—and you can pet them.

334 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:27:36pm

re: #323 Mich-again

you gotta admit though - there is a Methodism to their madness…

335 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:27:50pm

re: #322 pdc_lgf

He didn’t race as a four-year-old. He got beat twice in his last starts on dirt, against older horses.

I spent every available Saturday and Sunday at the track from the age of eight, until I left for college. My father was a semi-professional gambler.

If you have a beef with me, air it out. Most racing people will say the same damn thing about Secretariat as I just did. With the exception of the Belmont, the Triple Crown races are hype.

Horses don’t round into form until the fall of their third year, generally.

Seabiscuit was a great horse. Secretariat didn’t hang around long enough to deserve the title.

As I said, if you have a beef with me, air it out.

I’m no expert handicapper. But I saw the great ones race. Horses like Forego and Dr. Fager.

I’m only an expert at dealing with arrogance…I don’t have a beef with you

336 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:28:08pm

re: #326 Mich-again

Yes. He was beaten soundly twice, in the fall.

His connections put him out to stud after the three year old season ended.
(They needed the money.)

When you see Affirmed, Alydar, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Kelso, and Forego, then Secretariat isn’t a WonderHorse anymore.

337 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:29:59pm

re: #331 Gus 802

Looks like Democrat Bill Owen is in the lead.


Yup, thanks to the Tea Parties.

338 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:30:20pm

re: #336 pdc_lgf

Yes. He was beaten soundly twice, in the fall.

His connections put him out to stud after the three year old season ended.
(They needed the money.)

When you see Affirmed, Alydar, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Kelso, and Forego, then Secretariat isn’t a WonderHorse anymore.

okay, thanks for the elightenment…so what did you think about the ‘85 Bears?

339 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:30:49pm

re: #331 Gus 802

any blood bath that follows nationally will concentrate on the GOP candidate not being Conservative enough to hold the bloc vote… i bet the Splitter will get a pass as the Dems gain another seat.
this won’t be the last time ;-)

340 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:30:55pm

re: #328 albusteve

Highlights from a 59-0 smackdown.

341 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:31:10pm

Secretariat

Kentucky Horse Park

342 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:31:49pm

Infographic: Left vs. Right.

343 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:31:49pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Yup, thanks to the Tea Parties.

Yep. Meanwhile the GOP is fighting with this 3rd party candidate, Hoffman, and Owens (it should have an “s” at the end) gets the open field.

344 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:31:50pm

re: #333 ggt
Yes. We used to breed Arabians, and the Egyptian Arabian society had an exhibition there years ago. It’s a beautiful place.
The most fun was taking a tour of Calumet Farms… but I think they’ve discontinued them in the past few years. So much fun to see those great retired stars just hanging out, treated like pet shetlands, and enjoying life.

345 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:31:58pm

re: #340 Mich-again

Highlights from a 59-0 smackdown.

I watched the game down here…5td’s in one quarter?…in the snow?…what?

346 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:32:37pm

re: #341 ggt

Secretariat

Kentucky Horse Park

he was dog food…move on

347 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:32:38pm

re: #345 albusteve

I watched the game down here…5td’s in one quarter?…in the snow?…what?

The flea flicker to Moss was just sick.

348 grout  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:33:19pm

The more I watch politics, the more I appreciate the Church of the Subgenius.

‘The big conspiracy - the one conspiracy behind all the other conspiracies - is just this: Bad Wiring.’ - Lilith von Fraumensch (paraphrased)

And to think when the name Patrio-Psychotic Anarcho-Materialists was invented … it was fiction.

349 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:34:03pm

re: #338 albusteve

I don’t remember. Was Sweetness still on the team?

Football: I know no more than the next jamoke. Boxing, a little bit. The point about horse racing, like boxing, is that generally speaking, it’s what horses do over a sufficiently long career that counts. There’s also the matter of carrying weight - like Dr. Fager did - and this only comes into play when they’re four.

350 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:34:43pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Doug Hoffman: “I believe in preserving the family values that we all grew up with.”


[Video]So-cons. Again putting everyone to sleep. He also repeats “family values” many times in this video.

Cool. My dad had these salt and pepper shakers that were shaped like tits and they sat in the chest of a naked woman that you put in the middle of the table.

That’s some family values for you.

351 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:34:57pm

re: #345 albusteve

I watched the game down here…5td’s in one quarter?…in the snow?…what?

Yep, the beating was so bad that CBS switched to the Jets vs. Bills game before the third quarter was over.

352 jaunte  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:35:30pm

re: #342 Charles

That’s a very tight space in the middle of the chart.

353 soxfan4life  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:36:01pm

re: #349 pdc_lgf

I don’t remember. Was Sweetness still on the team?

Football: I know no more than the next jamoke. Boxing, a little bit. The point about horse racing, like boxing, is that generally speaking, it’s what horses do over a sufficiently long career that counts. There’s also the matter of carrying weight - like Dr. Fager did - and this only comes into play when they’re four.

Yes Sweetness was on the team, and the ultimate insult was letting William “Refrigerator” Perrys fat ass run in a TD while keeping Sweetness out of the endzone.

354 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:36:26pm

re: #347 soxfan4life

The flea flicker to Moss was just sick.

well it was against the F-Tacks…btw, the Cowboys passed on Moss in the draft for attitude reasons…so he comes to Texas and torches them for over two hundred yards on three catches and three TD’s…I hate Moss to this day for that

355 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:36:30pm

re: #302 Charles

Remember — Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer!

[Link: www.zazzle.com…]

Well, this was just a toss of the sand in the gears, but I’ll be the first to bite:

Oh, please, Rush! Run! Get your fat, deafened, drug-addled body out there and take the opportunity to talk to the Real America! The little brains full of mush are waiting and willing! Poor people don’t pay taxes! Global warming is a hoax! Evolution should be fought in the public (socialist) schools! Obama is a socialist!

Yes, yes, support his candidacy! And if that grassroots push doesn’t work, then get behind Sarah Palin, the POTUSILF!

(In case any newbies are confused, numerous Lizards on this board referred to Palin as a VPILF in September and October, last year. So it goes.)

356 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:37:08pm

re: #350 Conservative Moonbat

Cool. My dad had these salt and pepper shakers that were shaped like tits and they sat in the chest of a naked woman that you put in the middle of the table.

That’s some family values for you.

Sounds like something from “A Christmas Story.”

See, they really are family values. ;)

357 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:37:10pm

One of the sweetest horses I ever road was an Irish Draft Horse —retired carriage horse from the city. He was very nice to put up with me, but who he really loved was the little girls in the stables. I was very sorry when he finally passed.

The stables also had a beautiful “little” girl Percheron. She was very easy to ride and put up with all my bad equestrian habits.

As a result, I have special place in my heart for Draft horses.

I spent some time admiring a English Shire when I was at the Horse Park. D@mn BIG horse! I want one!

358 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:37:25pm

re: #347 soxfan4life

The flea flicker to Moss was just sick.

… Seven Mississippi, eight Mississippi, nine Mississippi…

359 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:38:34pm

re: #344 tradewind

Yes. We used to breed Arabians, and the Egyptian Arabian society had an exhibition there years ago. It’s a beautiful place.
The most fun was taking a tour of Calumet Farms… but I think they’ve discontinued them in the past few years. So much fun to see those great retired stars just hanging out, treated like pet shetlands, and enjoying life.

A friend of mine has two Arabians. Sweet and playful. She won’t let me ride them —I’m not skilled enough.

360 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:39:51pm

re: #324 ggt

Is it an El Nino year? Last time it came around, it was all we heard on the news. That would explain a lot of the crazy weather we’ve had this year.

Yes. We were in a brutal 26 month drought. When the El Nino pattern set up late in the summer, we were hopeful. But we still need about another 30 inches of rain this winter to get us up to norms.

361 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:40:13pm

re: #353 soxfan4life

I lived near Chicago when the Bears were struggling. Payton was on the team.

One of the head coaches was a guy named Neil Armstrong. Funniest sign I’ve ever seen: “They sent the wrong Neil Armstrong to the moon.”

It’s just such a shame how things ended for Walter Payton. He sparkled even when the rest of the team stank.

362 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:40:26pm

re: #342 Charles

Infographic: Left vs. Right.

Things that make me go “hmmm.”

Thanks for that.

363 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:42:28pm

re: #359 ggt

A friend of mine has two Arabians. Sweet and playful. She won’t let me ride them —I’m not skilled enough.

I love horses…there are owners across the way here in my hood that let me come to visit their mares and colts…I bring carrots and apples…they love me!…I drive up and here they come…horses are very cool…they follow me and nuzzle me and seem pretty smart to me…when I talk to them they respond with little head nods and such…whatever

364 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:43:47pm

re: #360 austin_blue

Yes. We were in a brutal 26 month drought. When the El Nino pattern set up late in the summer, we were hopeful. But we still need about another 30 inches of rain this winter to get us up to norms.

Well, good luck!

365 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:44:53pm

re: #355 austin_blue

upding for POTUSILF

366 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:44:55pm

re: #363 albusteve

I love horses…there are owners across the way here in my hood that let me come to visit their mares and colts…I bring carrots and apples…they love me!…I drive up and here they come…horses are very cool…they follow me and nuzzle me and seem pretty smart to me…when I talk to them they respond with little head nods and such…whatever

I love horses too! I go to the stables every once in a while just to scratch necks.

367 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:45:18pm

re: #361 pdc_lgf

I lived near Chicago when the Bears were struggling. Payton was on the team.

One of the head coaches was a guy named Neil Armstrong. Funniest sign I’ve ever seen: “They sent the wrong Neil Armstrong to the moon.”

It’s just such a shame how things ended for Walter Payton. He sparkled even when the rest of the team stank.

shame?…he beat the shit out of every single linebacker and safety that tried to stop him…he was from another world and he got his ring…there is no shame

368 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:45:40pm

re: #361 pdc_lgf

I lived near Chicago when the Bears were struggling. Payton was on the team.

One of the head coaches was a guy named Neil Armstrong. Funniest sign I’ve ever seen: “They sent the wrong Neil Armstrong to the moon.”

It’s just such a shame how things ended for Walter Payton. He sparkled even when the rest of the team stank.

True. At least the Bears are decent team once again, despite that fuck-up against Atlanta. What a difference a good QB makes!

369 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:46:20pm

g’nite kids.

370 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:46:29pm

Oh my I just read this… The GOP is going to rue the day they dragged her from obscurity.

We are quite likely going to see someone like her, or Ron PAUL! be ambitious enough to pull a right wing Nader in 2012.

Well, what goes around comes around.

371 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:47:00pm

re: #335 albusteve

Well, then, there’s no problem. Right? I’m not arrogant, and you have no beef.
Or am I missing something? Was it me mentioning the Ph.D.? If so, then remember the context. I was trying to get across that I had seemingly requisite background, but nevertheless found stats tough sledding.

Let’s clear the air - is there a problem?

372 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:48:08pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

True. At least the Bears are decent team once again, despite that fuck-up against Atlanta. What a difference a good QB makes!

what’s true?…what shame?…are you really a football fan or just pretend to be one?…did you ever play the game yourself?

373 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:48:23pm

re: #359 ggt
They’re amazing and playful, but many times the breeding and halter stock aren’t ever put under saddle, which is a shame. They’re fun to ride.
Maybe not so much if you’re a very large man, but for me, just right.
All thoroughbred racing stock descended from one of three Arabian stallions, and ninety five or so percent of those from the Darley Arabian, born in 1700 and brought to England from Syria.

374 wee fury  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:49:51pm

An Appalosa is majestic.

375 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:50:15pm

re: #372 albusteve

Are you talking to me, or Dark_Falcon. If you’re talking to me, the shame was how he died. It was a horrible thing. He was much loved - a real good guy.

376 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:51:28pm

i know i said Good Night… but…

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

i think Ron Paul has too much respect for the GOP to run against the Nominee - he’s pretty oldschool. But if you mean someone who thinks like hime socio-economically - thats always going to be a possibillity for someone to pull something “mavricky”

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:52:52pm

re: #376 wozzablog

i know i said Good Night… but…

i think Ron Paul has too much respect for the GOP to run against the Nominee - he’s pretty oldschool. But if you mean someone who thinks like hime socio-economically - thats always going to be a possibillity for someone to pull something “mavricky”

Fair enough. Palin is certainly that ambitious.

378 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:52:58pm

re: #342 Charles

Infographic: Left vs. Right.

Rather remarkable on how much common ground there is in those graphics.

Yes, there are some fundamental disconnects, but there is room there for common dialogue.

379 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:53:12pm

re: #375 pdc_lgf

Are you talking to me, or Dark_Falcon. If you’re talking to me, the shame was how he died. It was a horrible thing. He was much loved - a real good guy.

It’s just such a shame how things ended for Walter Payton. He sparkled even when the rest of the team stank.

it seems someone is referring to football, not cancer

380 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:53:27pm

re: #375 pdc_lgf

Are you talking to me, or Dark_Falcon. If you’re talking to me, the shame was how he died. It was a horrible thing. He was much loved - a real good guy.

IT was a shame. He was a great man, and I’m glad that he played for Chicago. We were privileged to have him.

381 wee fury  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:54:18pm

Personally, I don’t believe Ron Paul could win his way out of a wet paper bag — let alone win a nomination or a national election.

382 albusteve  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:54:53pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

IT was a shame. He was a great man, and I’m glad that he played for Chicago. We were privileged to have him.

I think the should make a change…Peyton’s Pier…sound good?

383 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:55:21pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

He was amazing as a player, and amazing as person. He would get lousy blocking, still make big yardage, and he never complained.

384 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:56:41pm

re: #382 albusteve

I think the should make a change…Peyton’s Pier…sound good?

Works for me.

385 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:57:30pm

re: #376 wozzablog
It’s going to be a very interesting midterm election, and it will tell a lot.
There’s a lot of huffing and puffing on both sides and none of it means anything until people have to vote.
If the historical norms don’t hold true and Republicans fail to gain seats in ‘06, then I’ll start worrying about who’s taken over/hijacked the GOP.

386 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:57:36pm

re: #378 austin_blue

Rather remarkable on how much common ground there is in those graphics.

Yes, there are some fundamental disconnects, but there is room there for common dialogue.

It’s ironic to see Herbert Spencer’s Darwin inspired “Survival of the Fittest” as belief of the right. Something I’ve always known and believe in myself yet rarely acknowledged by the mainstream right. Typically I’ve observed that while the right casts “survival of the fittest” to meet informational goals while at the same time adhering to the idea.

387 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:57:52pm

re: #378 austin_blue

I have many rightward friends Economcially speaking - but on social issues there is barely a fag paper between us.
Drugs/gay rights/abortion/religious influence.

There is a lot of common ground between liberals and “govt out the bedroom” conservatives…

388 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:58:12pm

Argh… ‘10. PIMF.

389 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 9:59:18pm

Where did Iceweasel run off to?

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:00:33pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Where did Iceweasel run off to?

Good question!

391 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:01:05pm

re: #389 Gus 802

She left a post some time today referencing work and saying she’d be back soon.

392 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:01:23pm

re: #388 tradewind

if the Wingnuts don’t get out of the way in key races - like NY27 the norms may not hold true even if the Dem vote falls. Splitters are the immediate danger for 2010 - problem is it’s the people who have weasled their way into local structures of the GOP who will be the Splitters once they realise it no longer fulfils their needs.

393 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:01:47pm

re: #391 tradewind

She left a post some time today referencing work and saying she’d be back soon.

Ah, OK. Thanks. Haven’t seen her around in about 4 days. Was wondering.

394 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:02:22pm

Ludwig- check your email.

395 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:03:37pm

re: #391 tradewind

She left a post some time today referencing work and saying she’d be back soon.

Funny- I heard it was vacation.

396 sagehen  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:03:39pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Palin’s Pride will break down halfway through the race. The horse is not ready for the big time. Even if it goes the distance, Hopeychange will beat it by five lengths.

She won’t actually break down as such, she’ll just get distracted and veer to the right. She’ll knock her stablemate off-course before stumbling over the railing into the stands, where she’ll rub up against the announcer, spit on her trainer and kick one of the supports out from under the steward’s tower.

397 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:04:28pm

re: #392 wozzablog
I hope not, but if they allow that, then they deserve the same ignominy and dry spell that the Dems faced during their years of being jerked around by every fringe group around.

398 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:05:11pm

re: #395 Sharmuta
I certainly could have misread, but I thought there was some mention of an employer tossed in there.

399 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:05:26pm

re: #396 sagehen

But only because the liberal elites in the clubhouse and grandstands are undermining a Conservative Christian filly.

400 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:06:11pm

I’m off to enjoy my book.

maybe back later.

If not, have a great night all!

401 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:06:32pm

re: #396 sagehen

She won’t actually break down as such, she’ll just get distracted and veer to the right. She’ll knock her stablemate off-course before stumbling over the railing into the stands, where she’ll rub up against the announcer, spit on her trainer and kick one of the supports out from under the steward’s tower.

LOL! That’s a good one.

402 tradewind  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:07:21pm

re: #400 ggt

Me too… night.

403 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:07:37pm

re: #381 wee fury

when ever i see Ron Paul i can’t help thinking it’s his supporters who give him a bad name and that he seems feintly embarrased by the whole thing. Kucinnich is cut from the same cloth on the other side- no appeal outside of his own district other than to a hearty band of idealists and misfits.

I think they are both fundamentally decent people though - unless i’ve missed something about Paul personally in all the fuss over his suporters

404 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:08:52pm

re: #403 wozzablog

Ron Paul “didn’t know” what was being published under his name in his newsletter. For a rather long time. I learned that on this very site.

405 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:09:25pm

re: #392 wozzablog

if the Wingnuts don’t get out of the way in key races - like NY27 the norms may not hold true even if the Dem vote falls. Splitters are the immediate danger for 2010 - problem is it’s the people who have weasled their way into local structures of the GOP who will be the Splitters once they realise it no longer fulfils their needs.

The election in question here in the NY 23rd is not a good test case for all involved. For one it’s a special election. Another is that this is a reliably Republican district with them winning with 2/3rd votes during every election cycle. One year John M. McHugh ran unopposed to garner “100%” of the votes. Then we have three atypical political personalities with Owens, Scozzafava, and Hoffman making this a three way race.

406 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:10:32pm

re: #405 Gus 802

People here in the NYC Metro area think it’s a bit of a freak-show.
The latest embarrassment.

407 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:10:47pm

Bed time. I have a Barred Owl calling outside my house right now. Lovely. This a beautiful world, and we are all players in it. Perhaps we should concentrate on making it better, to tread lightly upon it.

Just a thought.

Good night.

408 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:11:46pm

re: #404 pdc_lgf

fair do’s. there is a gap in my knowledge.

409 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

LVQ - did you notice in the spin-offs someone posted a link to one of Idso’s old papers?

Nice try by “EE”, yet FAIL.

For those who aren’t familiar with, Dr. Idso is one of a handful of people who in their early days did real science, who then went on an ideological witch hunt against the “alarmists”. There are a handful of them:

Dr. S. Idso
Dr. Roy Spencer
Dr. Lindzen
Dr. Pielke, Sr.
Dr. Gray
Dr. Grayson

I probably left off a few names. Anyway, these are, or perhaps I should say were, legitimate scientists who decided to follow their social/religious/political ideologies once they had become thoroughly established in their professions.

Still, they are wrong.

Note that these ought not to be confused with the outright charlatans, some of whom have Ph.Ds and some don’t… Names such as Monckton, Plimer, Singer, etc.

410 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:13:18pm

I’ve got a meeting in 8 hours, so I’m going to sign off too. Good night, all.

411 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #409 freetoken

LVQ - did you notice in the spin-offs someone posted a link to one of Idso’s old papers?

Nice try by “EE”, yet FAIL.

For those who aren’t familiar with, Dr. Idso is one of a handful of people who in their early days did real science, who then went on an ideological witch hunt against the “alarmists”. There are a handful of them:

Dr. S. Idso
Dr. Roy Spencer
Dr. Lindzen
Dr. Pielke, Sr.
Dr. Gray
Dr. Grayson

I probably left off a few names. Anyway, these are, or perhaps I should say were, legitimate scientists who decided to follow their social/religious/political ideologies once they had become thoroughly established in their professions.

Still, they are wrong.

Note that these ought not to be confused with the outright charlatans, some of whom have Ph.Ds and some don’t… Names such as Monckton, Plimer, Singer, etc.

Dr. Roy Spencer is actually a creationist as well as a climate change denier — and just this week he was invited to testify as an “expert” by the Utah State Legislature:

[Link: www.sltrib.com…]

Argh. So much crazy going on.

412 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:16:11pm

re: #405 Gus 802

23rd - sorry. (pimf from my original post)

it will shakeout one way or another. the Senate race in conneticut ended up going to the “devil you know” the Con Party suporters may fall back into line with the GOPer if they think the dem might actually win… but, get enough True Belivers together and motion becomes it’s own momentum.

2010 will be interesting - i’ll stick by that much ;-)

413 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:16:20pm

All right, I’m back for a short time.

Has this been discussed? White House Press room walk-out.

NYT on Fox

414 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:16:21pm

re: #406 pdc_lgf

People here in the NYC Metro area think it’s a bit of a freak-show.
The latest embarrassment.

Really? When we moved from Long Island (prior to that we were in Brooklyn) we found Ulster County to be rather different. Going towards Plattsburgh was something like taking a trip to the “North Pole” but then again I was rubber necking as a kid looking for something flying out of then Plattsburgh AFB.

I know it’s 20/20 hindsight on my part but I don’t think Dede Scozzafava was the best choice they could have made. Bringing in Hoffman only complicates the matter and he’s essentially what one would consider “old fashioned.” It might go to the Dems and if it does that would be a win for the Dems in the 23rd since 1989.

Using this as a reference:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

415 Dogsbody  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:17:07pm

Palin will not support a RINO? Gee, whats the world coming to?

416 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:17:38pm

re: #408 wozzablog

It’s ironic. The guy who hipped me to this site pointed out the stuff on the site about the “Paultards.” Then, a year or so later, he disavowed the site.

The guy’s absolutely the best software engineer I’ve worked with. Ever. We all pretty much think so at work. He’s brilliant and a wonderful colleague. But he’s locked into the Limbaugh/Palin thing, and sent me a parade of emails about “Obama’s thugs,” “Obama’s impeachable offenses,” and all that stuff.

Go figure.

417 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:17:48pm

re: #412 wozzablog

23rd - sorry. (pimf from my original post)

it will shakeout one way or another. the Senate race in conneticut ended up going to the “devil you know” the Con Party suporters may fall back into line with the GOPer if they think the dem might actually win… but, get enough True Belivers together and motion becomes it’s own momentum.

2010 will be interesting - i’ll stick by that much ;-)

I was thinking the same thing. That the Cons would go for the GOP in the ballot box. If the last elections since 1993 are any indication.

418 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:18:04pm

re: #403 wozzablog


I think they are both fundamentally decent people though - unless i’ve missed something about Paul personally in all the fuss over his suporters

RP is a stone cold racist.

Yeah I know this is DKos. It’s also well researched and factually correct.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

419 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:18:11pm

re: #409 freetoken

LVQ - did you notice in the spin-offs someone posted a link to one of Idso’s old papers?

Nice try by “EE”, yet FAIL.

For those who aren’t familiar with, Dr. Idso is one of a handful of people who in their early days did real science, who then went on an ideological witch hunt against the “alarmists”. There are a handful of them:

Dr. S. Idso
Dr. Roy Spencer
Dr. Lindzen
Dr. Pielke, Sr.
Dr. Gray
Dr. Grayson

I probably left off a few names. Anyway, these are, or perhaps I should say were, legitimate scientists who decided to follow their social/religious/political ideologies once they had become thoroughly established in their professions.

Still, they are wrong.

Note that these ought not to be confused with the outright charlatans, some of whom have Ph.Ds and some don’t… Names such as Monckton, Plimer, Singer, etc.

No I didn’t notice. They are charlatans of course. There are always those who work for the dark side of the force.

I am actually anticipating Stratas “rebuttal” tomorrow.

420 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:19:50pm

re: #418 Conservative Moonbat

RP is a stone cold racist.

Yeah I know this is DKos. It’s also well researched and factually correct.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

I covered Ron Paul extensively during the presidential campaign, and you’re 100% correct. He’s not just a racist, he has extensive ties to all kinds of extremist groups, including the John Birch Society.

Search LGF for “Ron Paul” and a lot of information will come up.

421 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:20:59pm

re: #415 Dogsbody

Palin will not support a RINO? Gee, whats the world coming to?

This is really more about the 23rd then Palin. The last rep was John M. McHugh (R-NY). McHugh voted for the climate bill and for the stimulus legislation. In fact he was called a RINO by the right side of the blogosphere.

422 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:21:47pm

re: #414 Gus 802

Yes, really. Dede Scozzafava - where’d they find her? I can’t blame the voters if they go for Hoffman. It’s their district, not mine.

I was thinking about what’s been going on in the State Legislature - the various scandals. Like the secret Republican printing plant. Or the various other fiascos, like Governors Spitzer and Patterson.

423 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:22:16pm

re: #411 Charles
re: #411 Charles


BTW Charles, All of his protests are answered very thoroughly in these links:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

424 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:22:39pm

re: #411 Charles

It should come as no surprise to you that some creationists appear to really dig Idso’s work:

[Link: www.libertyparkusafd.org…]

425 Gus  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:23:29pm

re: #422 pdc_lgf

Yes, really. Dede Scozzafava - where’d they find her? I can’t blame the voters if they go for Hoffman. It’s their district, not mine.

I was thinking about what’s been going on in the State Legislature - the various scandals. Like the secret Republican printing plant. Or the various other fiascos, like Governors Spitzer and Patterson.

I liked Governor Pataki. Since then it’s been one fiasco after the other for NY.

426 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:26:30pm

re: #425 Gus 802

I thought Pataki was a solid fellow. There really wasn’t all that much not to like. But it was a while ago.

Spitzer was a self-righteous prick - and everyone knew it. I guess folks just decided it was time for a change.

427 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:26:49pm

re: #387 wozzablog

I have many rightward friends Economcially speaking - but on social issues there is barely a fag paper between us.
Drugs/gay rights/abortion/religious influence.

There is a lot of common ground between liberals and “govt out the bedroom” conservatives…

And do you have any idea how many of us would flock rightward if these shenanigans ended?

428 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:27:49pm

re: #420 Charles

re: #418 Conservative Moonbat

thanks :-)

much appreciated.

I only knew what i saw of Paul from during the 2007/8 primaries when in the news roundups he was usually just put out there as the “eccentric uncle” figure of the GOP.

429 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:28:42pm

re: #427 JasonA

And do you have any idea how many of us would flock rightward if these shenanigans ended?

Not me. I’m finished with the Republican Party. Things would have to change so drastically for me to even consider voting Republican again, that I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

430 Bagua  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:29:25pm
Sarah Palin Goes Rogue Against the GOP

Bagua too is leaning to go Rogue against the GOP.

431 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:30:56pm

re: #422 pdc_lgf

Yes, really. Dede Scozzafava - where’d they find her? I can’t blame the voters if they go for Hoffman. It’s their district, not mine.

I was thinking about what’s been going on in the State Legislature - the various scandals. Like the secret Republican printing plant. Or the various other fiascos, like Governors Spitzer and Patterson.

I’ve been thinking that as a centrist Democrat I’d really like to be able to vote for somebody like her. She’d win if they’d let her into the general election.

We need more like her. We need more like Olympia Snow. The RINOs and DINOs are the mostly sane ones.

432 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:33:04pm

re: #429 Charles

Not me. I’m finished with the Republican Party. Things would have to change so drastically for me to even consider voting Republican again, that I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

Never is a long time.

433 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:33:05pm

re: #427 JasonA

In Britain and Canada there is a long tradition of Liberal Conservatism - Big Business conservatism, Small(ish) Government, Social Liberalism and Foreign Policy Realism being the main tennets. In Britain it’s called “One Nation Conservatism” and in Canada i think it’s “Red Toryism”.
The British version is now back in vogue and after 12 years in the wilderness - after finding the virtues of Sanity again the Tories are back ahead in the polls.

434 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:33:20pm

re: #429 Charles

Here’s what I don’t get. The Republicans have a guaranteed losing formula: whore after their so-called base. No matter how swell a Republican presidential candidate might look at first, they end up kissing the ring.

I was sending Mr. Obama’s campaign money, and still pulling in my heart for Senator McCain. Then it all fell apart, about a month before Mrs Palin showed up.

Someone else said this: wouldn’t it be more constructive for them to find themselves another base? The one they have is driving them crazy.

435 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:33:58pm

re: #428 wozzablog

re: #418 Conservative Moonbat

thanks :-)

much appreciated.

I only knew what i saw of Paul from during the 2007/8 primaries when in the news roundups he was usually just put out there as the “eccentric uncle” figure of the GOP.

For about two weeks I considered crossing over and voting for him in the Republican primary. Then I found out who he was.

436 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:36:34pm

re: #434 pdc_lgf

Here’s what I don’t get. The Republicans have a guaranteed losing formula: whore after their so-called base. No matter how swell a Republican presidential candidate might look at first, they end up kissing the ring.

I was sending Mr. Obama’s campaign money, and still pulling in my heart for Senator McCain. Then it all fell apart, about a month before Mrs Palin showed up.

Someone else said this: wouldn’t it be more constructive for them to find themselves another base? The one they have is driving them crazy.

It’s too late. The base that’s driving them crazy are the ones fielding candidates now. In the Reagan era they thought they could use these people. Now they have taken over the reigns.

437 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:37:44pm

On the other hand maybe she’s just running with that nativist / bircher crowd, there was that magazine, that speech for AIP, and “the first dude’s” association with them.

438 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:37:50pm

re: #429 Charles

Not me. I’m finished with the Republican Party. Things would have to change so drastically for me to even consider voting Republican again, that I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

I was talking about us Dems, actually. I might be able to seriously consider Republican candidates if not for these damn social issues. Creationism in the science classroom, defense of marriage, AGW denial… while these issues are important to the GOP I can’t even fathom voting R in anything except local elections.

439 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:37:55pm

ok - an hour later.

Good Morning at 06:37 and to all a good night.

440 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:41:00pm

re: #436 Conservative Moonbat

It’s too late. The base that’s driving them crazy are the ones fielding candidates now. In the Reagan era they thought they could use these people. Now they have taken over the reigns.

Look at what happened to McCain over the last few years leading up to the election. He did everything he could to pander to that base and make himself look like one of them.

441 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:41:06pm

re: #436 Conservative Moonbat

I will gladly accept any plausible explanation - such as yours. But how did the reins get put into those hands? Is it where the big contributions come from?

Specifically, was Senator McCain “instructed” to pick Mrs Palin? Like the big-money guys got together and said “we’ll fund your campaign, but only if you do A, B, and C?”

I am truly mystified. I see no demographic evidence that the folks calling the shots right now have any broad appeal. They seem to be totally immersed in believing their own bullshit.

442 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:44:55pm

re: #441 pdc_lgf

That’s exactly what happened. McCain would have rather picked Lindsay Graham, Giuliani, or someone else from a populous state who could have put them in play. A pick of Christie might have put Florida into McCain’s column instead of Obama’s.

443 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:45:27pm

re: #441 pdc_lgf

I will gladly accept any plausible explanation - such as yours. But how did the reins get put into those hands? Is it where the big contributions come from?

Specifically, was Senator McCain “instructed” to pick Mrs Palin? Like the big-money guys got together and said “we’ll fund your campaign, but only if you do A, B, and C?”

Yes, pretty much exactly like that. The Christian far right, led by people like James Dobson, made it very clear that they were going to oppose John McCain — even after he won the nomination — primarily because of his (sort-of) moderate stand on abortion. Sarah Palin was brought on board specifically to overcome the religious right’s opposition, and it worked.

And then McCain lost, in part because the centrists who were attracted to him because he wasn’t a Mike Huckabee fanatic were so turned off by Sarah Palin and her extreme social conservatism.

444 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:46:03pm

re: #440 JasonA

Look at what happened to McCain over the last few years leading up to the election. He did everything he could to pander to that base and make himself look like one of them.

Right. They are fielding their own candidates (Huckabee, Palin, Jindal) so they don’t need to be pandered to anymore. They are running some of their own for office.

445 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:47:10pm

The GOP will almost certainly run an extreme right wing religious candidate in 2012, unless something changes very drastically before then — which I don’t expect to happen.

446 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:48:12pm

re: #441 pdc_lgf

I will gladly accept any plausible explanation - such as yours. But how did the reins get put into those hands? Is it where the big contributions come from?

Specifically, was Senator McCain “instructed” to pick Mrs Palin? Like the big-money guys got together and said “we’ll fund your campaign, but only if you do A, B, and C?”

I am truly mystified. I see no demographic evidence that the folks calling the shots right now have any broad appeal. They seem to be totally immersed in believing their own bullshit.

I never claimed they have broad demographic appeal outside of primaries where evangelicals have a strong GOTV movement.

447 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:49:11pm

re: #444 Conservative Moonbat

Right. They are fielding their own candidates (Huckabee, Palin, Jindal) so they don’t need to be pandered to anymore. They are running some of their own for office.

Huckabee scares me more than anyone else. On policy I don’t think the two of us have an inch of common ground, but even I find that man really likable.

448 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:49:56pm

Here’s the map, look at where the states with the most delegates are, and where the Republicans can’t win in the foreseeable future. Those large delegate states are going to continue to kill all hope for the R’s unless they run candidates who can win in them. Instead of building the bench in those states the wingnutsophere is busy burning it.

449 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:50:46pm

re: #447 JasonA

Huckabee scares me more than anyone else. On policy I don’t think the two of us have an inch of common ground, but even I find that man really likable.

No shit. I find myself nodding along with him despite the fact the the words he speaks curdle my blood.

450 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:53:38pm

re: #443 Charles

I wasn’t turned off by Mrs. Palin’s extreme social conservatism. I was turned off by the impression she made, as a person. A cunning, shallow person, incurious, who simply was ambitious and got lucky. It’s like there’s at least one such person, in every town. They’re on the PTA. They’re on the synagogue board.

When I say I wasn’t turned off by her extreme social conservatism, I mean this: I didn’t even get that far. I think she “believes” things as a matter of convenience.

And that’s what I find completely incomprehensible - she has even a 40% approval rating. My experience is that folks generally smell a transparent fraud. There’s just nothing there, yet, she keeps garnering attention and being taken seriously.

451 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:54:03pm

In Kansas several of our winning local Republican candidates instead change party affiliations. They got pulled over to the Dem party because they knew they couldn’t get past a primary that the Brownback/Terry socons dominate.

452 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:54:29pm

re: #446 Conservative Moonbat

I see your point.

453 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:55:35pm

re: #282 swamprat

Why not; Ford can still sell cars.

Ba-dum-boom!

454 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:57:08pm

THE COW AND THE ICE CREAM - ONE OF THE BEST EXPLANATIONS OF WHY OBAMA WON THE ELECTION
—From a teacher in the Nashville area

“We are worried about ‘the cow’ when it is all about the ‘Ice Cream.’ The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year…

The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia’s mother.

The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded and he sat down.

Now it was Olivia’s turn to speak. Her speech was concise. She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.” She sat down.

The class went wild. “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”

She surely would say more. She did not have to.

A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream?
She wasn’t sure.

Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it.
She didn’t know.

The class really didn’t care.

All they were thinking about was ice cream.

Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide.

Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and 52 percent of the people reacted like nine year olds.

They want ice cream.

455 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 10:57:20pm

re: #445 Charles

The GOP will almost certainly run an extreme right wing religious candidate in 2012, unless something changes very drastically before then — which I don’t expect to happen.

Which will doom them in the General election, because it will loose the independents.

456 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:03:46pm

re: #454 Racer X

Spot on, now the Ice Cream is melting.

457 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:03:50pm

So, in 2012, it will be between a Marxist and a Theocrat?

The question, for me, is who will do the least damage in the 4 years after the election?

Sad, Sad, Sad.

458 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:04:41pm

re: #454 Racer X

THE COW AND THE ICE CREAM - ONE OF THE BEST EXPLANATIONS OF WHY OBAMA WON THE ELECTION
—From a teacher in the Nashville area

“We are worried about ‘the cow’ when it is all about the ‘Ice Cream.’ The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year…

The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia’s mother.

The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded and he sat down.

Now it was Olivia’s turn to speak. Her speech was concise. She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.” She sat down.

The class went wild. “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”

She surely would say more. She did not have to.

A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream?
She wasn’t sure.

Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it.
She didn’t know.

The class really didn’t care.

All they were thinking about was ice cream.

Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide.

Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and 52 percent of the people reacted like nine year olds.

They want ice cream.

Wasn’t this the basic reason we are supossed to be a Representative Republic and NOT a Democracy?

459 sagehen  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:34pm

re: #441 pdc_lgf

I will gladly accept any plausible explanation - such as yours. But how did the reins get put into those hands? Is it where the big contributions come from?

Until the mid-70’s, evangelicals stayed out of earthly politics. It was sleazy, it was ungodly, they weren’t going to sully themselves with something that had no spiritual benefit.

Then a couple of the Reaganauts (I seem to remember it being Lyn Nofziger in particular, but I can’t swear to it) cut a deal with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson right after Carter beat Ford. If all the evangelicals registered Republican, and voted as a bloc, they could deliver primary victories in a dozen states. The economic/military conservatives would give the religious extremists what they cared about on the social issues, if the religious would deliver the votes to get them in office.

At the same time, the CR/YR leadership (Rove, Atwater, Reed, Abramoff) instituted a liberal purge in the College Republicans — entry-level campaign jobs and congressional staff jobs and think tank jobs were reserved for the most loyal conservative kids, Rockefeller Republicans were to be blacklisted (the ones already in office would be disposed of through attrition).

They knew at the time it would take a generation to come to fruition; when Bush was elected they rejoiced that Jesus had delivered.

And yet here we are, eight years later, and abortion is still legal, gay people are not being thrown in prison, and universities are still insisting that the Book of Genesis is not a science text. The Theocrats feel betrayed. They no longer trust the party to deliver what they’d been promising for decades, so now they want the party for themselves.

460 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:42pm

re: #454 Racer X

Fair enough. But are you suggesting that Senator McCain was a Jamie?
Maybe I missed something, but what was he offering?

461 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:06:44pm

Time for me to get some sleeps

21st Century breakdown

Youtube Video
462 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:07:11pm

re: #458 ggt

Wasn’t this the basic reason we are supossed to be a Representative Republic and NOT a Democracy?

Are YOU going to tell all those people they can’t have ice cream?

463 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:08:29pm

re: #460 pdc_lgf

Fair enough. But are you suggesting that Senator McCain was a Jamie?
Maybe I missed something, but what was he offering?

A cow, so you could make your own ice cream.

/oh shit, I walked right into that one.

464 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:08:31pm

re: #454 Racer X

I hear you totally, but telling people I’ll cut your taxes and I don’t know how to pay for it is ice cream too. They all pander.

465 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:09:37pm

re: #459 sagehen

I accept what you are saying. It’s interesting. President Reagan gave the Evangelicals nothing. They’d get some photo-ops, be patted on the tooshie, and escorted out the door.

466 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:10:02pm

re: #462 Racer X

Are YOU going to tell all those people they can’t have ice cream?

I’m a Mom.

467 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:10:07pm

re: #465 pdc_lgf

Amazingly, they don’t seem to realize it.

468 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:10:34pm

re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear you totally, but telling people I’ll cut your taxes and I don’t know how to pay for it is ice cream too. They all pander.

Perhaps.

But $2.5 Trillion Dollars in his first year?

$14 Trillion in the hole? And growing.

469 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:11:08pm

re: #466 ggt

I’m a Mom.

LOL!

I can hear it now - “You have to earn it!”

470 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:14:27pm

re: #463 Racer X

How? What was the cow? If you tell me tax cuts, then I’ll reply that the money would be spent buying Chinese goods.

Where I live, the infrastructure is rotting. Badly. I work in a manufacturing business, so I am biased. I don’t see the “service economy” thing as taking off.

As for reducing the size of government - how? President Reagan tried starving it. The rate of gov’t growth slowed,and the deficit ballooned.

Again - what was the cow?

471 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:15:58pm

re: #468 Racer X

Perhaps.

But $2.5 Trillion Dollars in his first year?

$14 Trillion in the hole? And growing.

Respectfully, How much of that was leftover bailout from the mess the GOP left. And he still has a long way to go before he catches up to W’s debt.

472 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:17:12pm

re: #469 Racer X

LOL!

I can hear it now - “You have to earn it!”

More like, “You don’t NEED Ice Cream.” or “You haven’t finished your peas.”

473 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:19:27pm

re: #471 LudwigVanQuixote

Respectfully, How much of that was leftover bailout from the mess the GOP left. And he still has a long way to go before he catches up to W’s debt.

The GOP mess? Congress had no say? Bush was a lame duck his entire 2nd term.

474 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:20:26pm

re: #473 Racer X

The GOP mess? Congress had no say? Bush was a lame duck his entire 2nd term.

Ummm the GOP controlled congress?

475 freetoken  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:21:23pm

re: #472 ggt

More like, “You don’t NEED Ice Cream.” or “You haven’t finished your peas.”

Every time I hear peas I think of this Pinky & The Brain takeoff of Orson Welles:

Youtube Video
476 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:24:51pm

A 3-year-old boy examined his testicles while taking a bath.
‘Mum’, he asked, ‘Are these my brains?’

‘Not yet,’ she replied.

477 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:25:56pm

re: #473 Racer X

Have a look at those stalwart fiscal conservative senators who ultimately voted for the agriculture bill that President Bush vetoed.

The problem I’m having here is that the election was between Senator McCain and Senator Obama. Both promised things. Senator McCain got rolled regarding the most fundamental decision he had to make - his running mate. (I think we can agree that the Palin enthusiasts aren’t adept at - or even interested in - delivering cows.) So who, among those who he depended on would have cooperated in delivering cows?

Senator Obama, on the other hand, controlled his process. He didn’t wander about aimlessly, and he gave the impression of being a guy who can figure out how to deliver those cows.

478 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:29:25pm

re: #477 pdc_lgf

Senator Obama, on the other hand, controlled his process. He didn’t wander about aimlessly, and he gave the impression of being a guy who can figure out how to deliver those cows.

Yep. Spread the wealth. Take it from those rich bastards and give it to the poor. Fucking greedy capitalists.

/I’ll take a scoop of Rocky Road please.

479 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:29:48pm

re: #476 Racer X

A three yea-old boy with descended testicles. I knew it was a true story.

480 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:34:35pm

re: #478 Racer X

Show me an example of the wealth-spreading.

Roughly and toughly, incomes at or above $200,000/year contribute 50% of the revenue from personal Federal tax returns; incomes above $500,000 contribute 36% of the revenue from personal Federal tax returns.

So far, the only tax modifications we’ve seen are middle-class rebates. What are the poor getting out of this deal?

481 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:36:17pm

re: #480 pdc_lgf

What are the poor getting out of this deal?

Ice cream.

Seriously, catch up.

482 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:39:22pm

re: #481 Racer X

Catch up with what? Please tell me specifically what “ice-cream” is supposed to mean. Please tell me about the redistribution you see taking place.

Furthermore, are you suggesting that an employee who makes $300,000/year, say working as an employee in a company is a capitalist; whereas, an employee working in the same company for $90,000/year isn’t?

483 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:43:11pm

re: #481 Racer X

Let me add one more thing. When you work in a tough economy, and you need to take risks, and put yourself on the line, pretty much every day, it’s not bad to think with your balls. We’d still be living in caves, watching our children die of starvation, if it weren’t for guys who thought with their balls.

484 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:43:16pm

re: #482 pdc_lgf

Your ankles must really hurt from jumping to all those conclusions.

485 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:44:11pm

re: #484 Racer X

What conclusions? It’s really swell to live in a place where you can speak in generalities. Please be specific.

486 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:44:53pm

re: #483 pdc_lgf

Let me add one more thing. When you work in a tough economy, and you need to take risks, and put yourself on the line, pretty much every day, it’s not bad to think with your balls. We’d still be living in caves, watching our children die of starvation, if it weren’t for guys who thought with their balls.

LOL!

I aint touching that one.

nosiree.

487 pdc_lgf  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:45:53pm

re: #486 Racer X

Fair enough. Presumably you’re willing to touch a short list of specific conclusions you think I’ve jumped to.

488 Racer X  Thu, Oct 22, 2009 11:51:27pm

G’nite Ice.

489 SixDegrees  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:08:18am

re: #137 Buck

The media is only noticing now that this guy is getting traditional Republican support. Making it seem like Sarah Palin is the only traditional conservative breaking ranks. However Fred Thompson, Michele Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin support Hoffman as well.

Good enough for me. If he’s got backing from a pack of raving assholes like that, it makes it stunningly clear where my vote wouldn’t go.

490 SixDegrees  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:19:21am

re: #445 Charles

The GOP will almost certainly run an extreme right wing religious candidate in 2012, unless something changes very drastically before then — which I don’t expect to happen.

They’re already greasing those rails. Huckabee is actively pursuing a campaign already, roping in every theocrat he can.

The midterms could be a game changer, but the midterms tend to be dominated by ideological extremists even in the calmest of years because of relatively low turnout, which allows zealots to dominate.

491 Stormy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:26:43am

re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote

Ummm the GOP controlled congress?

Ummm no.

2007-2008, 110th Congress. Senate: D - 51 House: D - 233

492 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:07:00am
493 SixDegrees  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:14:19am

re: #492 rondeldon

She’s free to “consider” whatever she wants.

She is NOT free to ram her particular religious predilections down the nation’s throat with the power of the state backing them up.

494 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:25:27am
495 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 6:38:38am

In a related news note, Tina Fey is endorsing Scozzafava

496 bornamerican  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 6:54:19am

That facebook account works better than any PR agent for her. (for better or worse). Regarding the GOP ship, its test will be in 2010.

497 clgood  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 7:00:32am

Being pro abortion is a perfectly legitimate reason to oppose a candidate, but it’s really the GOP that has “gone rogue” by endorsing someone who is way past RINO and all the way into DIABN (Democrat In All But Name). Not everybody sees it as an issue of ideological purity, either.

Those who think that the GOP should stand for something other than just beating Democrats have plenty of reasons not to like Dede.

498 clgood  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 7:07:45am

re: #494 rondeldon

The matter of the fetus being a human life is a scientific one, not just a “religious predilection”. Is the fetus a human one second after leaving the womb but a not a human one second before that? And are they not ramming their personal views down the throat of the defenseless baby, because it can’t speak up for itself with the power of state saying it is ok to kill it at the mother’s discretion?

Indeed. It’s funny how the “pro-science” Left turns a blind eye to the very settled state of modern embryology on this question. A human life is a continuum that starts at conception and ends at brain death. To a scientist this is not even close to controversial, but it scares the bejesus out of the pro abortion folks.

(I refuse to play their sophomoric game and call them “pro-choice”. Everything is a matter of choice. It’s clever politics, but disingenuous.)

499 Liberal Classic  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #498 clgood

Indeed. It’s funny how the “pro-science” Left turns a blind eye to the very settled state of modern embryology on this question. A human life is a continuum that starts at conception and ends at brain death. To a scientist this is not even close to controversial, but it scares the bejesus out of the pro abortion folks.

(I refuse to play their sophomoric game and call them “pro-choice”. Everything is a matter of choice. It’s clever politics, but disingenuous.)

Pro-choice people have nothing to fear about personhood being defined in terms of neural activity. Where do you get this idea?

And secondly, it is you who are being disingenuous by attempting to label those people you disagree with as being pro-abortion. You might as well label them “pro-death”. I could as easily label pro-life people as “pro-theocracy” but I won’t.

500 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 7:22:20am

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Makes sense, Bible Spice is only torpedoing Scozzafava because Dede is pro choice.

Heh, funniest description of Palin since “America’s Crazy Ex-Girlfriend”.

As much as I would prefer the soc-con agenda was exorcised from Conservative politics, I think it is nice to see some folks standing up and noting that 3rd party candidates are an option, when one feels the main parties no longer represent them… if the GOP (or the Democrats, for that matter) lose enough votes to candidates outside their party, sooner or later they’re going to have to start paying attention to how people are voting, and tailor the party’s platform accordingly.

501 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 7:24:09am

re: #497 clgood

Being pro abortion …

I don’t think I’ve ever met ANYONE who was pro-abortion. Pro-choice, sure…but most folks I know who are pro-choice don’t favor abortion per-se. They just don’t want the government making the decision for the nation’s women through legislation.

502 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 8:05:01am

re: #494 rondeldon

re: #499 Liberal Classic

Of course its a human being. To me this is sort of a triage issue-When/who has the decision to end that life. Choice means the mother has the right to choose to end that nascent human being. In extremis, the doctor gets that call. In thew elderly we call it “No heroic measures”. I always thought the argument about when life begins there as quite disingenuous. If the biology science matters, we know we have a human at the point of sperm meets egg and it begins to develop. The “just tissue” point surely ends at brainwaves or heartbeat. Late term abortion is triage, straight out. Life of the mother.

503 fizzlogic  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 8:07:35am

re: #438 JasonA

I was talking about us Dems, actually. I might be able to seriously consider Republican candidates if not for these damn social issues. Creationism in the science classroom, defense of marriage, AGW denial… while these issues are important to the GOP I can’t even fathom voting R in anything except local elections.

The Religious Right has been working diligently since the 80s taking over the GOP, starting from local elections. Today they own the apparatus. Only now the are the scales falling away from peoples eyes to see what has been wrought.

504 filetandrelease  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 8:46:44am

This is very interesting. Watch the polls in the upcoming days. Hoffman will no doubt get a surge in the numbers and his checking account. Probably a huge amount of money.

Sarah is doing exactly what she said she would do, in supporting a conservative in the race and this will be a huge boost for him, I predict. The next days and weeks will tell although it is already apparent this is a huge financial boost for Hoffman.

505 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:50:52am

re: #503 trendsurfer

Here in NY I’ve known quite a few Republicans in my life. I’ve never met any who were on the same page as the religious right. It feels like a whole different party from the people I see on the Teevee.

506 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:08:31pm

Maybe Palin’ll do as a favor, leave the GOP with the other extreme-right creationist social conservatives, and allow the rational GOPers to rebuild what they can.

507 CJDate  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:47:52pm

I’m surprised that no one here has mentioned Scozzafava’s rather strange encounter with John McCormack.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/21/795624/-NY-23:-Dedes-really-bad-day

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091021/NEWS03/310219942

508 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 5:23:10am
509 JRCMYP  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:48:13am

Thought you all might enjoy this post from a progressive site:

Palin Endorses CRAP


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