I'll wait till the first service pack is released.

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll wait till the first service pack is released.

LOL!

Well, it's nice to hear that this particular Windows OS is more stable than its predecessors, but I'll continue to use Linux for my servers. Heck, that's what I'd have on my desktop at work if this place wasn't so Windows-centric.

My brother-in-law was at a tech conference and picked up a copy to give me. Can't wait to try it out!

Because I am a part time IT guy at a tiny company I have this rule. No operating systems less than 1 year old are allowed in. This rule has served me well since Dos 4.0

Oh man did I just age myself there or what?!

Ah, but there are instrux out there for getting Windows 7 to install:

How to Survive Boot camp (and run Win 7 on a Mac)

Enjoy your day folks.

Later.

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll wait till the first service pack is released.

There is no need to wait. Windows 7 in good right out of the box. Best OS Microsoft has every made.

I've gotten it to work under VirtualBox on a debian host so if VirtualBox is available for macs, it should work there.

Have heard only good things about this one from my beta tester friends...

Finally! Hope it's as efficient and smooth as OSX.

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Because I am a part time IT guy at a tiny company I have this rule. No operating systems less than 1 year old are allowed in. This rule has served me well since Dos 4.0

Oh man did I just age myself there or what?!

Depending on your hardware, it is not necessary to apply this rule to Win7. (Mind you I've always waited in the past and never went to Vista.)

re: #8 Bagua

There is no need to wait. Windows 7 in good right out of the box.

Famous last words.

re: #8 Bagua

There is no need to wait. Windows 7 in good right out of the box. Best OS Microsoft has every made.

Heh. Apple has a response to that:
Apple commercials about Windows 7

re: #11 Bagua

Depending on your hardware, it is not necessary to apply this rule to Win7. (Mind you I've always waited in the past and never went to Vista.)

Yup. Technically this is the "fixed" version of Vista.

re: #14 astronmr20

Yup. Technically this is the "fixed" version of Vista.

Fixed has more than one meaning.

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Famous last words.

I have Windows 7 running on about 6 PCs for the last few months.

Runs great, less filling.

I'm currently running Window POS.

Heh. I go through one Macbook Pro per year (handing the old one off to family members), have three Mac minis at home (two attached to TVs, one used as a server and holder-of-timeMachine backups) and a couple of iphones.

I'm still probably going to pick up Windows 7 within the next 48 hours, mainly because the netbook form factor has interested me and the HP "Mini 311" netbook comes with the Nvidia ION chipset, Windows 7 and built in verizon EVDO Rev.A for when wireless is not available.

I've got 10.6.1 on the Macbook & Win2k on VMware.

I used to be an IT guy for a government agency. We were on Data General Unix (88K Aviion for those of you who understand... ) then got forced onto Windows. Win2k was ok; XP was bad enough; I never tried Vista & it'll be a cold day someplace before my precious has it's bits polluted by touching Windows 7...

/well, only the "my precious" bit is sarc...

William

Deploying Windows 7 Essential Guidance from the Windows 7 Resource Kit and Technet Magazine

Sad to say, though I use Windows OS for everything I do, I don't trust their new releases. I've been burned by every OS since I switched from NT.

re: #21 Guanxi88

Sad to say, though I use Windows OS for everything I do, I don't trust their new releases. I've been burned by every OS since I switched from NT.

I've had some many wireless connectivity issues with Vista, I don't want to get burned twice...though the problem still persist.

little afternoon music

Is it any better than Windows RG ?

re: #14 astronmr20

Yup. Technically this is the "fixed" version of Vista.

They neutered Vista?

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Dos 4? gah, I remember hoping the shell would be useful like Norton Commander... (dating myself even worse, I fear).

William

Any one who disses Windows 7 in not a Patriot™

You've got to hand it to the math teachers of Microsoft's version control guys. The number scheme really clicks.

3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7.

What comes next, Afradapis?

re: #25 MandyManners

They neutered Vista?

Yeah, and his name used to be "Visto."

re: #28 CommonCents

You've got to hand it to the math teachers of Microsoft's version control guys. The number scheme really clicks.

3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7.

What comes next, Afradapis?

You forgot ME

Charles ,

Do you have a link for UK Lizards which will also benefit LGF if we purchase Windows 7 ? All links so far supplied are for US users only.

The blog direction has changed again.

No more Snow Leopard! Hooray!

Flounce away Apple partisans.

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You forgot ME

Oh yeah, sorry about that.

3.11, 95, 95, 2000, XP, Vista, Kragar, 7.

Better?
(yes, I know what you meant)

re: #32 Bagua

The blog direction has changed again.

No more Snow Leopard! Hooray!

Flounce away Apple partisans.

WHY DOES CHARLES HATE APPLES?!?!

///

re: #33 CommonCents

Oh yeah, sorry about that.

3.11, 95, 95, 2000, XP, Vista, Kragar, 7.

Better?
(yes, I know what you meant)

I keel you.

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keel you.

Accchmed!

re: #26 wlewisiii

Hey, I remember toying with MS-DOS v. 1, various competitors, and even playing around with IBM's OS/2, which got yanked despite a pretty stable platform.

The architecture is so much better designed.. No access to the Kernel past ring one is allowed by any apps. The stability is greatly enhanced from leaks of the memory heap or rogue poorly written code has been addressed. Mac operating systems locked down their kernel years ago.

re: #36 CommonCents

How do you spell that?

A... C... phlegm...

re: #38 HoosierHoops

You tell em HoosierHoops!

re: #39 lawhawk

How do you spell that?

A... C... phlegm...

You know he has a regular show on Comedy Central now? I think it's Thursday's and started last night, but I'll have to look for the rerun. I was busy watching hockey and forgot.

It took John Cole over at Balloon Juice 12 hours to install and that was after ditching the upgrade and going for a clean copy.

I'm just gonna keep my XP, I have had no (know wood) problems with it in the last 4 years.
(except today with that damn hijacker, I can't even figure how it got in)

Considering that this is the first Windows OS to ever enjoy a lengthy open beta (running 10 months now) it's surprisingly stable and solid out of the box.

Also considering that this is pretty much Vista reworked, aka service packed into a new OS, it doesn't need a year to age or be service packed into a much more stable or secure entity.

If you're still using XP, then i suggest to keep using XP, but if you are on Vista, drop that dog immediately and grab Win7, especially if you bought a computer recently that comes with the "free" upgrade.

Windows 7 is a rock solid OS. I've been running it since it went RC 1. And since I have an MSDN subscription, I've been running the RTM (final bits) since like August. That includes running it, via Bootcamp, on 4 different Macs. An iMac, 13" unibody MB, 15" unibody MBP and an older 15" MBP. Being a developer I also had the Dev releases of Snow Leopard. The Bootcamp drivers on Snow Leopard work just fine with Windows 7 in either 32-bit or 64-bit flavors. And BTW, Bootcamp is NOT an emulator, it allows you to boot natively into Windows (or Linux).

OT: Balloon Boy Halloween Costume

Git 'em while their hot! (next year people won't even know what you're talking about)

re: #41 CommonCents

Yeah. I saw it last night. It's definitely oddball. Some funny bits, but I think it falls short when Dunham isn't directly on screen with his guys. That's the interaction that gets the most laughs.

Yay Windows 7!

The Original Balloon Boy

re: #44 AllanHateMe

Bzzzt! Bzzzt! Click, click, buzz.

re: #28 CommonCents

What's even funnier than that is that the version number of Windows 7 is 6.1.

Seriously though, Windows 7 is awesome.

re: #44 AllanHateMe

The Bootcamp drivers on Snow Leopard work just fine with Windows 7 in either 32-bit or 64-bit flavors.

That's not what Apple says.

[Link: support.apple.com...]

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll wait till the first service pack is released.

It's the even number of service packs that are good.

I saw a cheap e-machine with Windows 7 preloaded and saw the specs. OMG! Is 6GB of ram and a 750GB hdd needed just to run the blasted OS? /

Got 2 copies on the way now. Took advantage of Amazon's pre-release pricing ($50/ea) this summer.

Hopefully they won't arrive till next wk. Got w-a-a-a-a-y too much to do this weekend.

re: #52 badger1970

It's the even number of service packs that are good.

I saw a cheap e-machine with Windows 7 preloaded and saw the specs. OMG! Is 6GB of ram and a 750GB hdd needed just to run the blasted OS? /

Nope, runs on less than than XP needed.

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Because I am a part time IT guy at a tiny company I have this rule. No operating systems less than 1 year old are allowed in. This rule has served me well since Dos 4.0

Oh man did I just age myself there or what?!

I hope DOS 4.0 was one of the ones you didn't allow in; that thing sucked. I stuck happily with DOS 3.3 until 5.0 came out, and used that with DESQView until I got a machine powerful enough to run OS/2 2.0 (386DX/33, 4MB RAM)

I think Windows 7 is vastly improved over Vista, but all it had to be to seem that way was something better than a complete pig. I severely dislike the "HomeGroup" networking stuff. In general, I don't care for wizards. That's why I use Arch Linux. 4 out of 5 dentists agree.

I'll wait until my next computer upgrade, which will be sometime in 2012, by which time there'll probably be a new Windows OS and I'll get 7 at that time.

However, a technical question for the Apple geeks: were I to purchase my own components (motherboard, RAM, hard drive, etc.) and put them together myself, but instead of install Windows 7 I were to try to install Mac OS-whatever, would that work? Thank you.

re: #50 AllanHateMe

What's even funnier than that is that the version number of Windows 7 is 6.1.

Seriously though, Windows 7 is awesome.

They can't count, but at least they can add.
/

re: #51 Charles

That's not what Apple says.

[Link: support.apple.com...]

They just don't want people to realize that 7 is better than Snow Leopard ;-) Seriously though, they work fine. I can send a picture, my intern is sitting beside me right now on an iMac doing development in Visual Studio 2008 running Windows 7. Don't ask me why.

Love the idea of a Mac-flounce. Let me try one out ...

What the hell is wrong with LGF these days? I guess it's no longer possible for Charles to "think different" these days. Sigh... Don't you people know that RMS IS A WINDOWS USER and that RON PAUL was the only person invited to participate in the SECRET SECOND BETA OF WINDOWS 7 !!!
Wake up SHEEPLE! What has happened to the LGF that my macbook pro knew and loved?

// obvs

re: #58 AllanHateMe

They just don't want people to realize that 7 is better than Snow Leopard ;-) Seriously though, they work fine. I can send a picture, my intern is sitting beside me right now on an iMac doing development in Visual Studio 2008 running Windows 7. Don't ask me why.

Tell Asok to keep working. Somebody has to get the projects done.

re: #51 Charles

It may be working for some people on recent Mac models with some tweakage, but 7 won't be officially supported by Apple Bootcamp until later this year.

re: #52 badger1970

It's the even number of service packs that are good.

I saw a cheap e-machine with Windows 7 preloaded and saw the specs. OMG! Is 6GB of ram and a 750GB hdd needed just to run the blasted OS? /

No. I think it's a 1 GB RAM minimum. 7 is supposed to have a lighter footprint. I have heard some tech journalists relate how it improved performance on older machines.

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You forgot ME

And NT. :D

re: #60 CommonCents

Tell Asok to keep working. Somebody has to get the projects done.

That's what interns are for, right? If not for him I wouldn't have time to surf the internet.

re: #51 Charles

That's not what Apple says.

[Link: support.apple.com...]

This might be one of those case where "doesn't support" means "don't call us if it doesn't work because our tech support people aren't trained for it yet."

Advice, please: I desperately need to take care of a few things, but I am waiting for a call which has been postponed twice and tentatively rescheduled for 20 minutes ago. Should I stay or should I go?

re: #64 AllanHateMe

That's what interns are for, right? If not for him I wouldn't have time to surf the internet.

I'm going to have walk down the hall and see if you are one of my coworkers. The boss is home with swine flu kids today.

re: #59 KernelPanic

Love the idea of a Mac-flounce. Let me try one out ...

Sigh... Don't you people know that RMS IS A WINDOWS USER

// obvs

Not this RMS! :)

/Kernel Panic indeed!

re: #51 Charles

That's not what Apple says.

[Link: support.apple.com...]

I think support is forthcoming because Apple and Windows 7 both use EFI extensions for boot up... Shouldn't take long to upgrade boot camp.

re: #67 CommonCents

I'm going to have walk down the hall and see if you are one of my coworkers. The boss is home with swine flu kids today.

That would be funny. But I doubt it, I don't *think* I know anyone with kids having the swine flu. What industry do you work in?

Here comes the big money...
Steve Forbes Endorsing Doug Hoffman In NY-23

A source close to Doug Hoffman has just told me that Steve Forbes will be endorsing the Conservative Party candidate in the NY-23 special election -- yet another right-wing voice who is rebelling against the Republican Party for nominating moderate candidate Dede Scozzafava.
...
This sure is a mess, and it's looking more and more likely that Democratic candidate Bill Owens will win from the GOP split with the Tea Party purists, giving House Democrats a pick-up of a Republican-held seat.

The Palin/Bachmann endorsement is more high profile but I think Forbes is more important because he's got some really deep pockets. There's going to be a big money battle for control of the GOP.

re: #68 negativ

Not this RMS! :)

/Kernel Panic indeed!

I even previewed and still made the typo, it's funny that it works both ways (RSM vs RMS)...

re: #13 vxbush

Heh. Apple has a response to that:
Apple commercials about Windows 7

And Apple's full of it...I've been running Win7 since the first public beta came out early this year and, for the most part, it's rock solid and has more than a few useful features.

/running Win 7 Ultimate RTM now...

re: #70 AllanHateMe

That would be funny. But I doubt it, I don't *think* I know anyone with kids having the swine flu. What industry do you work in?

I'm an application programmer for a bank.

re: #70 AllanHateMe

That would be funny. But I doubt it, I don't *think* I know anyone with kids having the swine flu. What industry do you work in?

No, you're not him. He's surfing the news.

re: #74 CommonCents

I'm an application programmer for a bank.

I don't work for bank. I do programming for a race team. Well mostly I manage an intern who does programming for a race team ;-)

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Here comes the big money...
Steve Forbes Endorsing Doug Hoffman In NY-23

The Palin/Bachmann endorsement is more high profile but I think Forbes is more important because he's got some really deep pockets. There's going to be a big money battle for control of the GOP.

I got an email yesterday from Fred Thompson in support or Hoffman too.

re: #76 AllanHateMe

I don't work for bank. I do programming for a race team. Well mostly I manage an intern who does programming for a race team ;-)

Define race. Auto? Bike? Horse?

re: #78 CommonCents

Define race. Auto? Bike? Horse?

I wonder if they use computers in horse racing? Auto racing, NASCAR to be specific.

re: #77 CommonCents

I got an email yesterday from Fred Thompson in support or Hoffman too.

Interesting. The Fredheads kinda disappeared. There were almost as rabid as the Paulians and Palinites.

re: #79 AllanHateMe

I wonder if they use computers in horse racing? Auto racing, NASCAR to be specific.

Sweeet. You hiring?

re: #62 Gearhead

No. I think it's a 1 GB RAM minimum. 7 is supposed to have a lighter footprint. I have heard some tech journalists relate how it improved performance on older machines.

I have installed Windows 7 on an older Sony Laptop with 1 gig, runs much better than XP did.

re: #28 CommonCents

You've got to hand it to the math teachers of Microsoft's version control guys. The number scheme really clicks.

3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7.

What comes next, Afradapis?

MS went from referring to Window releases by the build numbers at Win 95 (for consumer variants) and Win2000 (for NT releases) in favor of more consumer-friendly names and are sort of returning to the practice with Win7 (Windows 6.1; 6+1+7). Quoth the Wikipedia:

Product progression
MS-DOS

* MS-DOS 1.x through 6.22
* Windows 95 (MS-DOS 7.0)
* Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2.x and Windows 98 (MS-DOS 7.1)
* Windows Millennium Edition (MS-DOS 8.0)

Windows (MS-DOS Based)

* Windows 1.0
* Windows 2.0
* Windows/286 and Windows/386 (Windows 2.1)
* Windows 3.0
* Windows 3.1, Windows 3.1 for Workgroups, Windows 3.11, and Windows 3.11 for Workgroups (WfW)
* Windows 95 (Windows 4.0)
* Windows 98 (Windows 4.1)
* Windows Millennium Edition (Windows 4.9)

Windows NT

* Windows NT 3.1
* Windows NT 3.5
* Windows NT 3.51
* Windows NT 4.0 including up to Service Pack 6a
* Windows 2000 (Windows NT 5.0) including up to Service Pack 4
* Windows XP (Windows NT 5.1) including up to Service Pack 3
* Windows Server 2003 (Windows NT 5.2) including up to Service Pack 2
* Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (Windows NT 5.2) including up to Service Pack 2
* Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (Windows NT 5.1) including up to Service Pack 3
* Windows Home Server (Windows NT 5.2)
* Windows Vista (Windows NT 6.0) including up to Service Pack 2
* Windows Server 2008 (Windows NT 6.0) including up to Service Pack 2
* Windows 7 (Windows NT 6.1)
* Windows Server 2008 R2 (Windows NT 6.1)

Linking Islam to terrorism doesn't make you Geert Wilders

Of course we should allow him into the country, and he should be free to say whatever he wants. But must we fawn and lay down the red carpet for the bloke just to get at Jacqui Smith? It’s true: forty Muslims held a horrible protest outside parliament when he was over last week. But let’s keep the extremists’ rage in perspective – earlier this year, almost a million Brits voted for the BNP (and the two groups, I suspect, are not entirely disconnected).

The real problem with Geert Wilders and his ilk, is that their hyperbole detracts from real arguments to be made about Islam and terrorism. “Fitna“, despite what Lord Pearson says, is not “a very important document” – it’s a simplistic and repulsive piece of Islamophobic propaganda. But it serves multiculturalists as well as it does those on the far Right.

re: #81 CommonCents

Sweeet. You hiring?

I've always pushed to hire another (or two) full-time programmers. I am lucky I got my intern. My problem is, while there are a lot of good application ideas floating around, none are urgent enough (or value add enough) to get my boss to hire someone else. It's too bad to, there are some apps I'd like to work on that would be fun and useful, that will never see the light of day.

re: #82 Bagua

I have installed Windows 7 on an older Sony Laptop with 1 gig, runs much better than XP did.

Very cool. I wonder if anyone has tried it with 512MB. Might have to put Linux on the kids' machine.

re: #78 CommonCents

Define race. Auto? Bike? Horse?

He works for Rush.

/rimshot

Proof of fascism: Blasphemy!

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Interesting. The Fredheads kinda disappeared. There were almost as rabid as the Paulians and Palinites.

I like Fred and always thought he was a straight-shooter...living here in TN, he was one of my senators before he left and we got Lamar! in his place. But, he just came off like he didn't have the fire to run for the GOP nom last year...if he's going over to the whacko wingnut wing of the GOP now, I've lost a lot of respect for the man.

re: #83 talon_262

Geezus...PIMF! I meant:

MS went from referring to Window releases by the build numbers pre-Win 95 (for consumer variants) and pre-Win2000 (for NT releases) in favor of more consumer-friendly names and are sort of returning to the practice with Win7 (Windows 6.1; 6+1=7). Quoth the Wikipedia:

re: #89 talon_262

I always thought Fred was nutty. His endorsement of the debunked "Fair Tax" caused to to not take him seriously.

"The launch of Windows 7 has superseded everyone’s expectations, storming ahead of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as the biggest-grossing pre-order product of all-time, and demand is still going strong," claimed managing director Brian McBride, Amazon UK on October 22.

Link

re: #72 kernelPanic

I even previewed and still made the typo, it's funny that it works both ways (RSM vs RMS)...

Heh.

re: #86 Gearhead

Very cool. I wonder if anyone has tried it with 512MB. Might have to put Linux on the kids' machine.

If you can't add a bit of RAM, just disable all the programs that run in the background to improve performance. Also, with 7 one can use a USB drive for ready boost to add more RAM.

My Dell E510 running XP Media died after more than 4 years of continuous use.

I went out and bought a HP Pavillion Slimline with Windows 7 Premium Home Edition yesterday. Installation was a breeze. My old Lexmark 3 in 1 and Photo Printer still work as does my Logitech wireless mouse and keyborad.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Interesting. The Fredheads kinda disappeared. There were almost as rabid as the Paulians and Palinites.

Their candidate's lack of enthusiasm for the race was contagious.

re: #94 Bagua

Note that the Readyboost does not = onboard RAM, but it will help.

Parallels is brilliant software.

re: #94 Bagua

If you can't add a bit of RAM, just disable all the programs that run in the background to improve performance. Also, with 7 one can use a USB drive for ready boost to add more RAM.

re: #94 Bagua

If you can't add a bit of RAM, just disable all the programs that run in the background to improve performance. Also, with 7 one can use a USB drive for ready boost to add more RAM.

Forgot about ready boost. Even have an old thumb drive laying around somewhere.

re: #98 SeaMonkey

Parallels is brilliant software.

I have both Parallels and VMWare Fusion, and I have to say that I've found VMWare to be much more stable.

re: #99 Gearhead

dang chrome. acts like it's drunk sometimes.

re: #99 Gearhead

Also, adding a gig of RAM should be about $20 or less at Newegg.

re: #102 Bagua

Also, adding a gig of RAM should be about $20 or less at Newegg.

It's an old laptop (Gateway - 2003). The RAM is already maxed on it. The two copies of 7 are going into other machines (this one and the wife's) anyway.

Can't believe everyone who waited out Vista have been validated. What a marketing blunder for Windows.
Well at least Windows 7 has a sensible, unpretentious name.

Ouch OEM version please. Saves me over 100$ on the ultimate so my wife's parents can use it in chinese.

you can get home premium or professional for $30 if you have an .edu email address or a student ID and current invoice/schedule from your school. Unfortunately my school doesn't issue an .edu account so I have to track down a scanner.

I have Vista 64 and am running it without much headache, but I chalk that up to being somewhat of a geek. In other words I've tuned it, found where the problem areas are and eliminated them. So I'm in no rush to pickup W7, but next time I'm at the store and see it I will grab the home 3 PC warning.
One word of warning however, if you have Windows movie maker I understand that W7 doesn't come with it. That means a lengthy (but I think free) download after install.

/pimf "home 3 pc pack. Warning:"

I've been running the release version of Windows 7 for months now, and I love it. It's what Vista should have been.

Windows?

Doze were duh daze.

I think I'm going to wait to install Windows 7 (I'm wondering about compatibility issues -- both hardware and software -- I have 3 printers, and some are not had drivers written for Windows 7 yet -- plus, is Photoshop CS4 compatible with Windows 7? What a chore, also to switch over -- also my ISP provides a free virus/spyware/malware/security package which is not compatible with Windows 7...) (gonna wait...which is sort of the "norm" for "new things" here in Canada -- still can't get the Kindle, since there's some dispute with the Telecom corporations...)

re: #107 Thanos

Yeah, a lot of things were unbundled and now are part of the Live Essentials free download (including the e-mail client :o). You can pick and chose which Live Essentials applications you want to install by toggling some check boxes.

Just guessing but maybe it's to appease the EU antitrust folks? (The EU version also has a browser ballot at installation that has you pick from between all the major, and some minor, browsers)