Hot Air Comments of the Day

For today’s selections from the thousands of extreme, hateful, racist, and/or violent comments posted at Hot Air, we’ll start with some comments posted in this thread: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Hume’s challenge to media: Do you really want the Gibbs Seal of Approval?

(Again, note that some of these commenters were banned from LGF, and have been seen at other websites complaining that their accounts were blocked for no reason other than simple disagreement. Their own comments here show how false this is.)

Of course not, Oba-Mao is their messiah, he holds their Marxist ideologies every bit as dearly to his heart as they do their own. Were the founding fathers alive today, they would be hanging these ba$tards from the nearest Liberty Tree for treason. Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.

doriangrey on October 21, 2009 at 8:18 AM

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Like any good dictatorship the filthy lying coward in the White House will soon not allow unapproved media networks.

highhopes on October 21, 2009 at 8:34 AM

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Unfortunately, we have a Marxist/Maoist Administration, a slavish Congress, and a Goebbels-esque Fourth Estate, who has destroyed the concept of objective reporting more than any other generation before it. The best defense is a good offense and sunlight is the best disinfectant. Remeber, Chavez, Mao, and Putin exercised containment of the media and control of the message, also.

kingsjester on October 21, 2009 at 8:39 AM

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Look, most of the media is liberal, but does not recognize it instead thinking they are truely objective. In their minds they already agree that FOX is slanted, untrue, and entertainment. This, in their minds, makes FOX worse than the National Enquirer because FOX spreads destructive ‘lies’. They already agree that FOX should be shut down. Beltway Bob is only expressing something they have alredy agreed to in their hearts.

Therefore, it would not even occur to them to object on principle or that the whitehouse ire might ever be turned their way. It is okay for them to first come after FOX because FOX is ‘dirty jews’ and not normal people after all. Don’t expect any of them to stand up for those they consider subhuman or to take their blinders off. They don’t even know they have blinders on. They are part of the aperatus and would gladly renounce one of their own if said person’s eyes were ever opened. Even then they would do so beleiving they were right and taking no warning from it.

AnotherOpinion on October 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM

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Oh, they are working on it! Net Neutrality is on the way! The Gumbint is right as we type, looking into how they can control what we access. It’s coming. And on its heels will be revolution!

JAM on October 21, 2009 at 10:59 AM

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They don’t care about the polls or elections. If they continue to get their legislation and policies in place those will be “meaningless”. This will be a dictatorship by then.

hillbilly on October 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Next, let’s take a look at what’s going on in this thread: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Department of Propaganda? Update: AOL Hot Seat poll added

Have any SS troops been spotted yet?

fogw on October 21, 2009 at 10:22 AM

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Using millions upon millions of OUR money to fight US!

Isn’t that just lovely?

One of these days, and it won’t be long, the Tea Party is going to turn into the real thing.

GoldenEagle4444 on October 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM

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I’m fast coming to the conclusion that the time for talking is over. These criminals just don’t respond. Pitchforks and torches in front of the White House, Capitol, and every Congressional office may well be the only thing that works.

highhopes on October 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM

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This will be on going until we get rid of the gangster….watching this group is like watching the crips and the bloods in a gang fight…

right2bright on October 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM

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My thoughts are that a majority of people in this country desperately want to live under communist rule. I really don’t know why this is but I do believe it to be true. I’m very sorry to say that I think they will be getting their wish with the current leadership scum. When they do realize their dream, I for one hope it turns out to be a nightmare beyond imagination for every last one of them. I can see it being no other way as one does not go from being the most privileged country on earth to what amount to living in Cuba and accepting it.

RagTag on October 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM

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Is Sebelius gay? Just curious.

OmahaConservative on October 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM

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Is there a democrat woman who isn’t?

noblejones on October 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM

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the more I look at this hag the more I thik she is Festus Hagans sister.

bluegrass on October 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM

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It would be cheaper to just hire some “fluffers” to keep Barry “up”. Think of it as a personal stimulus for his “package”. I’m so sick of these whining babies!

NightmareOnKStreet on October 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM

But wait … there’s more! From this thread: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Gallup: First-year quarterly drop in Obama’s approval rating one of the biggest in decades

Impeach and prosecute him now!

trs on October 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM

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What has he done for anyone lately?

He’s remained black.

ddrintn on October 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM

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What’s there to adore on a personal level? Don’t see it.

flyfisher on October 21, 2009 at 9:56 PM

The desire not to be thought of as an un-American racist.

ddrintn on October 21, 2009 at 9:59 PM

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I would love to see a breakdown of how many of those people who lost jobs voted for Ogabe.

Bishop on October 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM

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errr…that extra-terrestrial he’s married to has been very quiet lately…that’s a GOOD thing, no?….*slopes off*

Fortunata on October 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM

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If I hate his white half MORE than his black half, am I still racist, rednecked and radically evil?

Ris4victory on October 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM

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I’m starting to gloat, people. Izzat OK?
Obozo Presidency – “die quickly!”

Lanceman on October 21, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Ugh. It goes on and on and on in this vein, in every single thread. Please note that I waited a couple of days before posting these, to see if the “administrators” would delete any of them.

(Thanks to LGF readers simoom and Killgore Trout for pulling on their hip waders and dredging through the muck.)

Jump to bottom

257 comments

1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:34:21pm
If I hate his white half MORE than his black half, am I still racist, rednecked and radically evil?

He left out “Sharp as a bag of wet cotton balls”.

2 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:35:44pm

Have the operatives spotted any attempts to moderate the comments yet?

3 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:37:50pm

re: #2 The Sanity Inspector

Have the operatives spotted any attempts to moderate the comments yet?

The mods over at HA are too chickenshit to do such a thing.

4 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:38:36pm

Hot Air?
More like Hate Air..

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

I think their boss likes it just the way it is.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:38:55pm

This pretty much sums up Hot Air nowadays.

7 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:39:33pm

Among the many sad elements of this whole spectacle is that these folks shooting off their mouths about the “Obama dictatorship” are precisely the ones who will throw down palm fronds and rose petals to the first dictator to show his face in this country, hailing him as the one who will save them from the mess their enemy-of-the-day has made of things.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:40:04pm

re: #4 HoosierHoops

Hot Air?
More like Hate Air..

A line like that must be followed with an “amirite?”

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:40:07pm
Were the founding fathers alive today, they would be hanging these ba$tards from the nearest Liberty Tree for treason.


From a former Lizard too. Ugh.

10 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:41:24pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

From a former Lizard too. Ugh.

Well, it certainly explains the “former” part.

11 Jack Burton  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:42:09pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

From a former Lizard too. Ugh.

Being that ‘former’ is the operative word here, it shouldn’t be surprising at all.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:43:47pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

To be “fair”, that one was always a bit off. He considered anything that registered louder than a mouse fart to be an islamic terrorist bombing.

13 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:43:54pm
Pitchforks and torches in front of the White House, Capitol, and every Congressional office may well be the only thing that works.

Go for it. It may well be the only thing that works - to get you off the streets and into prison where you belong.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:45:23pm

The wingnut blogs were radically punk’d today by a report that originated at ‘jumpinginpools’ (a moron who was banned from LGF for relentlessly pimping his blog, and registering sock puppet after sock puppet to upding his own posts), claiming to have “10 pages from Obama’s college thesis” that proved Obama was a commie who wanted to trash the Constitution.

It was completely false.

People who fell for it included Rush Limbaugh, Michael Ledeen, Atlas Shrieks, American Thinker … etc. etc.

15 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:48:06pm

“Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.”

If Ben Franklin were alive today, I’d wager he’d impressed with the wide variety of “blue” entertainment available through the internet; that, plus viagra, would all but guarantee he’d care precious little about the poor, sorry state of the Press, which is a free now as ever it has been.

16 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:50:46pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

“Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.”

If Ben Franklin were alive today, I’d wager he’d impressed with the wide variety of “blue” entertainment available through the internet; that, plus viagra, would all but guarantee he’d care precious little about the poor, sorry state of the Press, which is a free now as ever it has been.

Now now, we all have our weaknesses…

17 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #14 Charles

Read a purported excerpt, and it reads exactly like what a whacked-out Righty imagines a whacked-out Lefty would write. Can’t even do a proper forgery. Pathetic.

18 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #16 cliffster

Now now, we all have our weaknesses…

That’s no weakness, my friend - that’s personality.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:52:14pm

re: #14 Charles

Their turning into Dan Rather, it would seem.

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:53:08pm

re: #14 Charles

PJM fell for that one too.

21 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:53:40pm

re: #17 Guanxi88

Read a purported excerpt, and it reads exactly like what a whacked-out Righty imagines a whacked-out Lefty would write. Can’t even do a proper forgery. Pathetic.

AS I read more, it seems it was a satirical piece. As satire of Leftist writing, it’s brilliant. As a forgery, though, the original assessment stands.

22 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:53:55pm

Two of my special favorites:

Is Sebelius gay? Just curious.
OmahaConservative on October 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Is there a democrat woman who isn’t?
noblejones on October 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM

and

Impeach and prosecute him now!
trs on October 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM
What has he done for anyone lately?

He’s remained black.
ddrintn on October 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Because we know that Republican women (cough… Mary Cheney… cough) are not lesbians and that the leader of the RNC isn’t a black man.

Personally, I can’t see why anyone who is gay or Black would join the Republican party, but I guess there’s no accounting for bad taste :p

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:55:02pm

re: #14 Charles

The wingnut blogs were radically punk’d today by a report that originated at ‘jumpinginpools’ (a moron who was banned from LGF for relentlessly pimping his blog, and registering sock puppet after sock puppet to upding his own posts), claiming to have “10 pages from Obama’s college thesis” that proved Obama was a commie who wanted to trash the Constitution.

It was completely false.

People who fell for it included Rush Limbaugh, Michael Ledeen, Atlas Shrieks, American Thinker … etc. etc.

You know here’s another funny thing about that.

If I were to get a thesis , or for that matter anyone, were to get a hold of a copy of a thesis, you would get the whole thing, not just ten pages…

That from the start should have raised a very large red flag…

24 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:55:02pm

re: #11 ArchangelMichael

Being that ‘former’ is the operative word here, it shouldn’t be surprising at all.

There’s a very good reason why these folks are former lizards. All one need do is read their comments. They chose to be mean, nasty, pick fights, and act like assholes.

25 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:55:09pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

Ever heard of the Log Cabins?

26 Pepper Fox  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:55:28pm

I’m surprised teabaggers survive on here.

27 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:55:36pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon


Personally, I can’t see why anyone who is gay or Black would join the Republican party, but I guess there’s no accounting for bad taste :p

Maybe they are in favor of limited government, personal responsibility and individual liberties…

28 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:56:05pm

re: #14 Charles

The wingnuts blogs were radically punk’d today by a report that originated at ‘jumpinginpools’ (a moron who was banned from LGF for relentlessly pimping his blog, and registering sock puppet after sock puppet to upding his own posts), claiming to have “10 pages from Obama’s college thesis” that proved Obama was a commie who wanted to trash the Constitution.

It was completely false.

People who fell for it included Rush Limbaugh, Michael Ledeen, Atlas Shrieks, American Thinker … etc. etc.

Standard Issue Wingnut Keyboard

29 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:56:20pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

“Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.”

If Ben Franklin were alive today, I’d wager he’d impressed with the wide variety of “blue” entertainment available through the internet; that, plus viagra, would all but guarantee he’d care precious little about the poor, sorry state of the Press, which is a free now as ever it has been.

From the looks of this story, it appears to me the press is very much alive and well and kicking, and perfectly willing to assert itself:

The Treasury Department on Thursday tried to make “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the network pool except Fox News. The pool is the five-network rotation that for decades has shared the costs and duties of daily coverage of the presidency and other Washington institutions.

But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included. The pool informed Treasury that Fox News, as a member of the network pool, could not be excluded from such interviews under the rules of the pool.

Seems to me this is something Benjamin Franklin would be quite proud of.

30 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:56:47pm

A Tea Party was advertised here in Los Angeles today. I am considering going over there with camera and video to document the craziness. Would that content be welcome here?

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:57:10pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

but I guess there’s no accounting for bad taste :p

Way to broadbrushly disparage a lot of fine people

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:57:16pm

All I did was excercise my First Amendment rights to threaten them to excercise my Second Amendment Rights in the general direction of their families, pets and property, and the banned me!!!

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:57:45pm

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator
Go for it.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #27 rwdflynavy

Maybe they are in favor of limited government, personal responsibility and individual liberties…

Shit, which political party is that? Sign me up!
/

35 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:58:15pm
Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.

If Franklin were around now- he would be a blogger, and not surprised to learn the press is the same as it ever was.

36 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:58:20pm

re: #29 reine.de.tout

Seems to me this is something Benjamin Franklin would be quite proud of.

When I heard the report of this in the morning today, I was reassured about the whole health of the profession. I chose the word “profession” instead of business or industry, because if it were purely business, no one would have objected. That they did shows them to be aware that theirs is a profession, and that they are colleagues AND competitors both.

I take back some small portion of the many nasty things I’ve said & thought about the American news media.

37 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:58:49pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

Personally, I can’t see why anyone who is gay or Black would join the Republican party, but I guess there’s no accounting for bad taste :p

Your words, 50 years ago, could have been applied to another party.

38 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:58:54pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

Ever heard of the Log Cabins?

I have… like I said, no accounting for bad taste or poor judgment. You pick :)

39 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

If Franklin were around now- he would be a blogger, and not surprised to learn the press is the same as it ever was.

Your fault:

40 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:00:17pm

re: #27 rwdflynavy

Maybe they are in favor of limited government, personal responsibility and individual liberties…

Personal responsibility and individual liberties for whom? The rich white folks?

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:00:19pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

Two of my special favorites:

Because we know that Republican women (cough… Mary Cheney… cough) are not lesbians and that the leader of the RNC isn’t a black man.

Personally, I can’t see why anyone who is gay or Black would join the Republican party, but I guess there’s no accounting for bad taste :p

Yeah insane homophobia just never made sense to me one bit.

Seriously, what is it to anyone whom someone else wants sitting on their lap?

Yes I know all the biblical literature on it, and I’ll be upfront that those verses are ones that never made sense to me either, but in practical terms, how does that even apply in a society where we separate religion from government?

What are people honestly afraid of? Legions of Gay men will what? Be better cooks than you? Have better style?

I really have never understood this one.

42 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:00:41pm

re: #17 Guanxi88

Read a purported excerpt, and it reads exactly like what a whacked-out Righty imagines a whacked-out Lefty would write. Can’t even do a proper forgery. Pathetic.

A summary of the hoax is here. It’s a good illustration of the truism one must exercise one’s skeptical faculties all the more, when you are tempermentally predisposed to believe something.

43 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:00:52pm

re: #36 Guanxi88

When I heard the report of this in the morning today, I was reassured about the whole health of the profession. I chose the word “profession” instead of business or industry, because if it were purely business, no one would have objected. That they did shows them to be aware that theirs is a profession, and that they are colleagues AND competitors both.

I take back some small portion of the many nasty things I’ve said & thought about the American news media.

That sense of being reassured was the same thing I felt, too.

44 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:01:54pm

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

jumpinginpools.blogspot.com

45 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator

A Tea Party was advertised here in Los Angeles today. I am considering going over there with camera and video to document the craziness. Would that content be welcome here?

Place a sign with the image of Obama with a bone through his nose somewhere nearby. Cut a small hole in it and mount a camera. Film the expressions.

46 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #40 marjoriemoon

Personal responsibility and individual liberties for whom? The rich white folks?

Everyone.

47 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator

Personally, I’ve reached my crazy saturation point. I’d rather watch baby seals being clubbed than indulge the teapbaggers blowing each other in a public forum. Again. But, hey, in the pursuit of science, you’re welcome to document their antics as you see fit.

48 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:03:21pm

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit, which political party is that? Sign me up!
/

Neither at the moment, but Republicans beat Democrats by a significant margin.

49 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:03:31pm

re: #26 Pepper Fox

I’m surprised teabaggers partiers survive on here.

The joke’s over, okay?

50 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #44 Charles

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com…]

That was pretty much just one long run-on senseless.

51 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah insane homophobia just never made sense to me one bit.

Seriously, what is it to anyone whom someone else wants sitting on their lap?

Yes I know all the biblical literature on it, and I’ll be upfront that those verses are ones that never made sense to me either, but in practical terms, how does that even apply in a society where we separate religion from government?

What are people honestly afraid of? Legions of Gay men will what? Be better cooks than you? Have better style?

I really have never understood this one.

Of course I agree, but when it comes to party affiliation, the vast majority of these two groups (gays and African Americans as well as Hispanics) are Democrats because they find support in my party.

Democrats do not want larger government either. They don’t want the government intruding on their personal lives. But because we support social programs that are meant to be AVAILABLE as a resource should you need it, we are looked at as the party of too much government. It’s really not a fair observation.

52 Bagua  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:04:36pm

re: #44 Charles

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com…]

Nice of him to bite the hand that fed him.

53 baier  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:05:33pm

ODS and BDS are the same illness, but some only have immunity to one.

54 Bagua  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:06:03pm

re: #53 baier

ODS and BDS are the same illness, but some only have immunity to one.

Selective bias.

55 Jack Burton  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:07:14pm

re: #44 Charles

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com…]

People who cannot write, or don’t have solid command of the language they write in, shouldn’t have blogs (or any written publications). Nobody with half a brain should take this guy seriously after trying to wade through that first paragraph.

56 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:07:20pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah insane homophobia just never made sense to me one bit.

Seriously, what is it to anyone whom someone else wants sitting on their lap?

Yes I know all the biblical literature on it, and I’ll be upfront that those verses are ones that never made sense to me either, but in practical terms, how does that even apply in a society where we separate religion from government?

What are people honestly afraid of? Legions of Gay men will what? Be better cooks than you? Have better style?

I really have never understood this one.

I’m of the opinion that a lot of people are afraid that they’re offspring will start to see homosexuality as something that’s completely normal. That can be especially frightening to you if you believe that being gay is a choice. You want your little ones to see that it’s a horrible thing. I think that’s the real fear for a lot of family-oriented people at least.

57 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:07:29pm

re: #46 rwdflynavy

Everyone.

Really. Everyone. Why not let gays marry then?

58 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:07:39pm

re: #51 marjoriemoon


Democrats do not want larger government either. They don’t want the government intruding on their personal lives. But because we support social programs that are meant to be AVAILABLE as a resource should you need it, we are looked at as the party of too much government. It’s really not a fair observation.

This is a breathtakingly silly quote. You can’t add all these social programs without growing the government. It is silly to say they don’t want larger government.

59 AlexRogan  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:07:45pm

re: #14 Charles

The wingnut blogs were radically punk’d today by a report that originated at ‘jumpinginpools’ (a moron who was banned from LGF for relentlessly pimping his blog, and registering sock puppet after sock puppet to upding his own posts), claiming to have “10 pages from Obama’s college thesis” that proved Obama was a commie who wanted to trash the Constitution.

It was completely false.

People who fell for it included Rush Limbaugh, Michael Ledeen, Atlas Shrieks, American Thinker … etc. etc.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of wingnuts…

60 baier  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:08:02pm

re: #54 Bagua

Selective bias.

I’m sorry to report I’m immune to neither these days. But daily doses of LGF and playing with daughter seem to have been helping focus of what is important.

61 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #57 marjoriemoon

Really. Everyone. Why not let gays marry then?

They can marry.

62 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:08:54pm

re: #46 rwdflynavy

Everyone.

Sorry I ain’t through yet. Why advocate to put the names of women who have abortion in the newspaper to shame them? Personal responsibility and individual liberty my booty.

63 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:09:00pm

re: #61 rwdflynavy

They can marry.

Oh lord, not this again…

64 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

Sorry I ain’t through yet. Why advocate to put the names of women who have abortion in the newspaper to shame them? Personal responsibility and individual liberty my booty.

I’m not in favor of that.

65 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:09:29pm

I’m really glad to see that the Washington Bureau Chiefs of the 3 major TV networks and CNN stood up for FOX News against the White House yesterday.

weblogs.baltimoresun.com

If Obama and his administration have any clue whatsoever, they will end this childish vendetta against FOX News.

66 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator

A Tea Party was advertised here in Los Angeles today. I am considering going over there with camera and video to document the craziness. Would that content be welcome here?

I’d enjoy seeing your pics.

67 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

“Benjamin Franklin would be spitting flames to see what his precious Fourth Estate has become.”

If Ben Franklin were alive today, I’d wager he’d impressed with the wide variety of “blue” entertainment available through the internet; that, plus viagra, would all but guarantee he’d care precious little about the poor, sorry state of the Press, which is a free now as ever it has been.

He might’ve had just a wee little problem with the deficit spending, both by the government and by Americans personally .

68 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #58 rwdflynavy

This is a breathtakingly silly quote. You can’t add all these social programs without growing the government. It is silly to say they don’t want larger government.

We want a government that will be able to help people if they need it. Democrats are responsible for Medicare too. What’s wrong with that? Clinton reformed welfare into a better program. He didn’t cancel it. Well he actually did after a time period, you are taken off welfare, but he didn’t dump it was my meaning.

69 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #67 Spare O’Lake

Trust you to ruin a joke with facts.

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:11:04pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

That margin is getting slimmer by the day, especially re: individual liberty.

71 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #61 rwdflynavy

They can marry.

EACH OTHER.

72 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:02pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon

EACH OTHER.

I’m in favor of civil unions and all the legal benefits of straight couples. I am not in favor of redefining marriage.

73 Bagua  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:06pm

re: #60 baier

I’m sorry to report I’m immune to neither these days. But daily doses of LGF and playing with daughter seem to have been helping focus of what is important.

Everyone is subject to biases and beliefs, it is part of being human.

74 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #51 marjoriemoon

They don’t want the government intruding on their personal lives.

Most Republicans don’t either. But the ones that do get press.

But because we support social programs that are meant to be AVAILABLE as a resource should you need it, we are looked at as the party of too much government.

I understand that you are referring to intent, as in “the intent is not to make the government bigger, it’s to make programs available”. But, these social programs make the government bigger, by definition. And, I believe that many if not most democrats do simply want the government to have a larger role in our lives.

75 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:27pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon

EACH OTHER.

Culture’s not ready for it yet. Use of the power of the state, even in its licensing and registration, to enact or push cultural reform is an iffy thing.

76 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:28pm

re: #64 rwdflynavy

I’m not in favor of that.

Well I’m glad to hear that. Maybe tell your party members in the OK that they’re making a huge mistake.

77 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:12:45pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

That margin is getting slimmer by the day, especially re: individual liberty.

The current health care reform bill begs to differ.

78 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:04pm

re: #76 marjoriemoon

Well I’m glad to hear that. Maybe tell your party members in the OK that they’re making a huge mistake.

I’ll get right on it doggone it!

79 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #76 marjoriemoon

Well I’m glad to hear that. Maybe tell your party members in the OK that they’re making a huge mistake.

They’re not publishing names; the bill is odious enough without enhancing its awfulness.

80 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:15pm

re: #56 JasonA

I think that’s the real fear for a lot of family Focus On Family-oriented people at least.

FTFY.

Yeah, because how could a gay person or couple possibly be considered a family unit, or legal couple. Or humans, for that matter. We must protect the children! Horrors!
//

81 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:32pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

Sorry I ain’t through yet. Why advocate to put the names of women who have abortion in the newspaper to shame them? Personal responsibility and individual liberty my booty.

That is simply horrid. It’s the far right’s version of finding registered sex offenders online. Seriously, how long would it take for those women’s names to end up on a google maps application? Disgusting.

82 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:42pm

re: #72 rwdflynavy

I’m in favor of civil unions and all the legal benefits of straight couples. I am not in favor of redefining marriage.

How can you be in favor of civil unions? They’re discriminatory. Why can’t straights live together and reap the benefits of marriage then? Because of who you screw dictates what benefits you can get? Not constitutional.

The only way to resolve this problem is to let them marry.

83 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:43pm

re: #67 Spare O’Lake

He might’ve had just a wee little problem with the deficit spending, both by the government and by Americans personally .

I’m sure he would have issues with massive over spending. But as far as the press is concerned, it’s interesting that so many Americans seem to think things are radically different in how the press operates now as compared to then. Back then- all the press was biased- they displayed it openly. Now what we have is a press that tells us they’re objective- which we all debate, and isn’t the point of this comment. But- as an independent man with the ability to distribute his own writings, I think he’d love the internet and blogs, and wouldn’t be so shocked at the msm as banned lizard air heads would like to believe.

84 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:47pm

re: #69 Guanxi88

Trust you to ruin a joke with facts.

So you didn’t get the “wee little problem” tie-in to your viagra joke?/

85 Bagua  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:13:48pm

re: #56 JasonA

I’m of the opinion that a lot of people are afraid that they’re offspring will start to see homosexuality as something that’s completely normal. […]

They are offspring?

86 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #79 Guanxi88

They’re not publishing names; the bill is odious enough without enhancing its awfulness.

I thought they were publishing names, or rather wanting to publish the names.

87 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:19pm

re: #84 Spare O’Lake

So you didn’t get the “wee little problem” tie-in to your viagra joke?/

Right over my head. Uhh, wait, let me rephrase…

88 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:27pm

re: #82 marjoriemoon

How can you be in favor of civil unions? They’re discriminatory. Why can’t straights live together and reap the benefits of marriage then? Because of who you screw dictates what benefits you can get? Not constitutional.

The only way to resolve this problem is to let them marry.

what benefits are you concerned with?

89 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

It’s only to shame and intimidate women, while the far right jumps on top of their barns and crow like a bunch of sexist roosters.

90 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:41pm

re: #44 Charles

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com…]

dude could use some clearisil

91 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:14:56pm

re: #68 marjoriemoon

We want a government that will be able to help people if they need it. Democrats are responsible for Medicare too. What’s wrong with that? Clinton reformed welfare into a better program. He didn’t cancel it. Well he actually did after a time period, you are taken off welfare, but he didn’t dump it was my meaning.

Clinton SIGNED the welfare reform act,,,written and passed by republican controlled house and senate

(presidents don’t author bills ,,, congress does ))

92 Bagua  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #90 _RememberTonyC

dude could use some clearisil

And a high school education.

93 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:16:00pm

re: #78 rwdflynavy

I’ll get right on it doggone it!

hehe ok I know there’s little any of us can do about this if we don’t live in OK and I know plenty of Reps probably find this terrible, but I really doubt you’d see something like this coming from the Left.

94 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:16:41pm

re: #88 rwdflynavy

what benefits are you concerned with?

Marriage is a legal contract. It gives you responsibility for another person’s life. It gives you another person’s stuff (houses, cars, etc.). There are legal benefits to marriage that are huge.

95 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:17:16pm

re: #86 marjoriemoon

I thought they were publishing names, or rather wanting to publish the names.

It’s all but names, frankly. The claim is to collect and publish statistical data about the procedures; the effect will be to make the whole process so burdensome and irritating (especially for the providers) as to make the procedure too much trouble for all involved.

The only purpose of collecting the stats is to provide fodder and talking-points material for anti-abortion protesters, whose efforts do not require assistance from the OK health department. It’s a pointless exercise in polemical data-gathering, and only throws up yet another obstacle to doctors and patients.

96 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

Clinton SIGNED the welfare reform act,,,written and passed by republican controlled house and senate

(presidents don’t author bills ,,, congress does ))

He vetoed 3 times until he got it the way he wanted it. I have a good link about the bill at home. I’ve posted it here before if you search LGF for my name, you might find it. Unfortunately I won’t be on later tonight.

97 rwdflynavy  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:17:51pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

Marriage is a legal contract. It gives you responsibility for another person’s life. It gives you another person’s stuff (houses, cars, etc.). There are legal benefits to marriage that are huge.

Right, I’m in favor of civil unions providing all those benefits. Just don’t change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years.

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:18:08pm

Rush Limbaugh first fell for the “Obama’s thesis” hoax, then recanted later on his show — sort of. He actually said he doesn’t care if the quotes were fake, because “I know Obama thinks it.”

99 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:18:26pm
100 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:18:26pm

re: #80 theheat

FTFY.

Yeah, because how could a gay person or couple possibly be considered a family unit, or legal couple. Or humans, for that matter. We must protect the children! Horrors!
//

Whoa. I wasn’t pushing that particular point of view at all. I was only answering the question of what they were afraid of. No need for the sarcasm. I’m 100% in favor of gay marriage.

The root of the problem is thinking that it’s a choice. That it can be changed. I suppose that comes from the belief that it’s a biblical “abomination” and therefore it must be something that can be fixed blah blah blah.

101 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

It’s all but names, frankly. The claim is to collect and publish statistical data about the procedures; the effect will be to make the whole process so burdensome and irritating (especially for the providers) as to make the procedure too much trouble for all involved.

The only purpose of collecting the stats is to provide fodder and talking-points material for anti-abortion protesters, whose efforts do not require assistance from the OK health department. It’s a pointless exercise in polemical data-gathering, and only throws up yet another obstacle to doctors and patients.

Ahh… isn’t that completely against HIPAA?

102 allegro  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #97 rwdflynavy

Just don’t change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years.

The one man/one woman idea of marriage is actually pretty recent in terms of history. How many wives do you want?

103 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #99 godziller

Don’t let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya!

104 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:25pm

Hot Air flounce!

105 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

Marriage is a legal contract. It gives you responsibility for another person’s life. It gives you another person’s stuff (houses, cars, etc.). There are legal benefits to marriage that are huge.

The same benefits could be made available through “civil unions”.

Actually, my church (Catholic) does not consider a couple to be married unless they have been married in the church by a priest. So anyone who is married by other means, according to the beliefs of my faith, is not really “married” in the eyes of Got, even though they are partners in a “civil union”.

106 webevintage  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:19:52pm

Why do dudes always talk about the way women who they do not agree with looks? As if our looks matter in the first place.
Dammit that makes me so furious.

When all you can say about your opponent is they are ugly or gay or a Nazi you really have nothing…

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #99 godziller

Boo friggin hoo.

108 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #104 Charles

Hot Air flounce!

Fresh out of the drier!

109 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:13pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

Geez, marjorie, next thing you’ll want the colored people to drink out of the same fountain as whites. No, they need civil unions, because dontchyaknow allowing gays to marry jeopardizes the marriage of every red-blooded American.
//

110 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:15pm

re: #101 marjoriemoon

Ahh… isn’t that completely against HIPAA?

Provided they leave out personally identifying information from the records, it’s HIPAA compliant.

111 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:43pm

re: #98 Charles

Fake, but accurate!

112 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:20:52pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

Clinton SIGNED the welfare reform act,,,written and passed by republican controlled house and senate

(presidents don’t author bills ,,, congress does ))

hey sat … i didn’t ignore your question before re: Steve P.

113 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #98 Charles

Rush Limbaugh first fell for the “Obama’s thesis” hoax, then recanted later on his show — sort of. He actually said he doesn’t care if the quotes were fake, because “I know Obama thinks it.”


[Video]

Does that mean it’s OK to use fake racist quotes and attribute them to Limbaugh, because “I know he thinks it?”

114 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:21:47pm

re: #100 JasonA

I know you weren’t. I hitched my wagon on your own sarcasm. No offense.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:21:57pm

re: #97 rwdflynavy

Just don’t change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years.

The meaning of marriage?

116 lightspeed  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:22:18pm

re: #44 Charles

Here’s that ‘jumpinginpools’ creep, attacking me after he was banned for blog pimping, multiple sock puppets, and updinging his own links:

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com…]

That douchebag used to post links to his own blog posts that would try to masquerade as news stories. At the bottom of these “stories” he would have them tagged “satire,” which was real easy to miss. It’s like he wanted the stories to be mistaken for real news. Most of them were pretty hard to believe anyway, but they certainly weren’t funny. Douche.

117 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:22:21pm

re: #97 rwdflynavy

Right, I’m in favor of civil unions providing all those benefits. Just don’t change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years.

I had this discussion here before. Marriage is a legal contract. It’s been a legal contract for 1000s of years. It was important in the ancient world to be married because of the children. A man’s livelihood was passed down through inheritance so he had to know who was the father of the children. He didn’t want to hand his entire “estate” to a child who was not his.

Civil unions are unfair to straight people. If you allow gay people to enjoy legal rights of marrieds under a “civil union”, straights could sue for the same rights and they would have to get them, too.

118 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:22:22pm

re: #113 Charles

Does that mean it’s OK to use fake racist quotes and attribute them to Limbaugh, because “I know he thinks it?”

You’re better than that, but it would be consistent with is rules as stated in this case.

Eh, go for it!

119 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:22:23pm

Wasn’t Limbaugh screaming his head off about people doing exactly that to him, just a few days ago?

The hypocrisy absolutely reeks.

120 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:22:45pm

re: #113 Charles

Does that mean it’s OK to use fake racist quotes and attribute them to Limbaugh, because “I know he thinks it?”


infinite updings for this one

121 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:23:01pm

re: #119 Charles

Wasn’t Limbaugh screaming his head off about people doing exactly that to him, just a few days ago?

The hypocrisy absolutely reeks.

Yes- he was. And he was martyred on the right for it too.

122 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:23:06pm

re: #114 theheat

I know you weren’t. I hitched my wagon on your own sarcasm. No offense.

Happy to see I just read that wrong then. My mistake.

123 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #113 Charles

Does that mean it’s OK to use fake racist quotes and attribute them to Limbaugh, because “I know he thinks it?”

By Jove I think you’ve got it!

124 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:23:57pm

I’m a firm believer in using someone else’s rules against them.

125 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #102 allegro

The one man/one woman idea of marriage is actually pretty recent in terms of history. How many wives do you want?

Personally one spouse is just plenty, thank you very much!

In the ancient world however, it made sense to have more than one wife, specifically if a man died, his wife would live with his inlaw’s family. Then she had someone to care for her and her children. Today women go to work, then they didn’t have those options.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #119 Charles

Wasn’t Limbaugh screaming his head off about people doing exactly that to him, just a few days ago?

The hypocrisy absolutely reeks.

And it also conveniently forget the actual and very real race baiting he’s been doing for years.

BUt hey, he is the titular head of the GOP these days, and one of the by laws they have is to never admit being wrong.

127 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #110 Guanxi88

Provided they leave out personally identifying information from the records, it’s HIPAA compliant.

unbelievable.

128 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #106 webevintage

Why do dudes always talk about the way women who they do not agree with looks? As if our looks matter in the first place.
Dammit that makes me so furious.

When all you can say about your opponent is they are ugly or gay or a Nazi you really have nothing…

How did Nazi get lumped in there with ugly and gay?

129 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:25:34pm

re: #109 theheat

Geez, marjorie, next thing you’ll want the colored people to drink out of the same fountain as whites. No, they need civil unions, because dontchyaknow allowing gays to marry jeopardizes the marriage of every red-blooded American.
//

Now, that’s just an incorrect assessment of the mind-set of those who oppose gay marriage, but have no problem with civil unions.

My opposition to gay marriage has to do with the fact that for eons, marriage has meant a union between a man and a woman, and in most cultures, there is some religious meaning to the concept of “marriage” that would not be reflected in a union of two gay people.

Why would it be such an awful thing to contemplate the concept of the state granting “civil unions” to couples of any persuasion, which satisfy the legal reguriements currently in play for “marriage”, with “marriage” reserved for those unions blessed by a faith institution in tandem with a the couple’s state-recognized civil union?

130 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:25:58pm

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

hey sat … i didn’t ignore your question before re: Steve P.

I know ,, I saw your answer (blood all over the floor)

131 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:26:32pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

The same benefits could be made available through “civil unions”.

Actually, my church (Catholic) does not consider a couple to be married unless they have been married in the church by a priest. So anyone who is married by other means, according to the beliefs of my faith, is not really “married” in the eyes of Got, even though they are partners in a “civil union”.

We’ve been here before :)

All you need is a notary to marry you. Each religion may have it’s own rituals or ideas about marriage. Certainly Catholics are different than Protestants, but under the law, the government, all you need is to have that contract signed.

132 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

Today women go to work, then they didn’t have those options.

See? Feminazis ruined it for everyone! They’ve destroyed the traditional family unit! Blame them for gays getting all uppity and wanting to be married!
//

133 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #127 marjoriemoon

unbelievable.

Yep. And, all the more so, from a health-care provider’s point of view. The last thing any practitioner, from a podiatrist to a coronary surgeon, from a ob/gyn to a ped needs, is ANOTHER set of mandates for reporting that do nothing to enhance patient care. A waste of resources and effort to attain a political end. It’s the worst form of tyranny by bureaucracy that motivates stuff like this.

134 Jack Burton  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:26:38pm

re: #113 Charles

Does that mean it’s OK to use fake racist quotes and attribute them to Limbaugh, because “I know he thinks it?”

“Fake but accurate”

Apparently Rush thinks it’s ‘ok for me but not thee.’

135 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:27:28pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

I know ,, I saw your answer (blood all over the floor)

cool …

136 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:29:00pm

re: #131 marjoriemoon

We’ve been here before :)

All you need is a notary to marry you. Each religion may have it’s own rituals or ideas about marriage. Certainly Catholics are different than Protestants, but under the law, the government, all you need is to have that contract signed.

And that difference in beliefs as re: “marriage” is why I think some consideration should be given to redefining the contractual arrangement granted by the state from “marriage” to “civil union”, and those wishing to be married within the definition of their religious beliefs would also need to have that marriage performed by clergy, in addition to the civil union.

137 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:29:23pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Agreed. I lean more towards taking “marriage” out of the state-sponsored institution altogether. If churches want to observe “marriages” between men/women only, or not, that’s their thing. Either way, equating the standpoint with segregation is inappropriate and hateful.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:30:22pm

I recognized a name.

139 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:30:31pm

re: #119 Charles

The main thing for me is the immense sense of relief, reading the Hot Air comments. It’s just so very comforting to know that there are still right-thinking Americans who’ve got their heads screwed on straight, and aren’t losing their sense of proportion.

Clearly, the Republic is afflicted with a cancer.

American history started at noon, on January 20, 2010.

Seriously, the game is going to be how to arrange these jamokes in the political equivalent of a circular firing squad.

140 What, me worry?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

We’ve talked about this on these threads forever and you really do insist on putting your fingers in your ears and not listening, or over your eyes and not reading.

MARRIAGE IS ABOUT LEGALITY. It’s not about religion. Have a ceremony in any church, temple, mosque, field of roses, but if you don’t have a notary or a signed contract you are NOT MARRIED.

Anyway I have to go. Y’all take care and maybe I’ll catch up this weekend.

141 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

Interesting bunch. They went to a gun class some friends put on for their self defense. I went for the shoot and to help. We had some interesting talks about them & being Republican. They are FiscCons/Libertarian leaning by and large. They are a serious factor in California Republican politics.

142 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:33:42pm

re: #141 Rightwingconspirator

Interesting bunch. They went to a gun class some friends put on for their self defense. I went for the shoot and to help. We had some interesting talks about them & being Republican. They are FiscCons/Libertarian leaning by and large. They are a serious factor in California Republican politics.

In the case of homosexual and lesbian couples, ya gotta figure they’re hit pretty hard by the income taxation, due to limitations of personal deductions.

143 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I believe marjoriemoon already said exactly as I would: marriage is a legal document. The fact the ceremonies are performed in churches doesn’t change this, nor is it required. Any religious overtones are assumed by the religious, but that doesn’t change what legal marriage constitutes.

And I’m all for gay couples enjoying the same misery / old ball and chain / WTF did I do that for?! benefits as the rest of us straight peeps. Welcome to the jungle,, my gay friends.

144 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:34:49pm

re: #56 JasonA

I’m of the opinion that a lot of people are afraid that they’re offspring will start to see homosexuality as something that’s completely normal. That can be especially frightening to you if you believe that being gay is a choice. You want your little ones to see that it’s a horrible thing. I think that’s the real fear for a lot of family-oriented people at least.

Except that it is not really so much of a choice, and it is something that is normal in as much as a large percentage of people throughout all of history have been gay.

But as to a choice…

Think about it.

I certainly did not choose to like women. There was no free will in that.
I remember very clearly being a boy, seeing Princess Leah in that metal bikini, and from then on, girls went from icky to fascinating. It was like a switch being thrown in my 12 year old mind. It never switched back. It never went any other way.

I certainly had no choice in the matter.

Now it is certainly true that many people fall on a spectrum of sexual preference. There are people who are mostly of one orientation most of the time save special circumstances, but actual true 50-50 bisexual, where they would go for both types equally easily is pretty rare - especially amongst men.

Most people are what they are and they did not choose a damn thing.

Even people who are ok with both didn’t choose to be ok with both. They just are.

No definitely straight man gets up in the morning and decides he is bored with women so why not go find a guy. That just does not happen.

No definitely gay man gets up in the morning and decides he would prefer to be with a woman. In fact, they find the idea of sex with a woman as alien as I would find sex with a man. Unfortunately for gay people though there is sufficient societal pressure to not be who they are that the frequently try to force themselves to be other than they are.

So I ask you do this thought experiment.

Please imagine that someone told you that you could never touch a woman again, but G-d wanted you to have all the sex you want with men. Could you do that?

145 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #139 pdc_lgf


Seriously, the game is going to be how to arrange these jamokes in the political equivalent of a circular firing squad.

1) They’re doing that right now - we just gotta stay outta the way till they finish.

2) “Mooks” - the preferred term is mooks, not jamokes.

146 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:36:57pm
Unfortunately, we have a Marxist/Maoist Administration, a slavish Congress, and a Goebbels-esque Fourth Estate, who has destroyed the concept of objective reporting more than any other generation before it.

- kingjester

Obviously, this individual has never read any Andrew Jackson era reporting.

147 allegro  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

…but G-d wanted you to have all the sex you want with men. Could you do that?

Oh, hell, yes! But then, I’m a het woman. heh

148 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:37:09pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Pirates practiced gay marriage. Arr Hargh!

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:38:06pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

Please imagine that someone told you that you could never touch a woman again, but G-d wanted you to have all the sex you want with men. Could you do that?

Do I have to?

150 Four More Tears  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:38:31pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

Heh. You’re preaching to the choir. My fault if my post didn’t convey that.

151 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:38:48pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C’mon, FBV. We already know what you like to touch. And it requires plate, a fork, and a big glass of milk.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:39:36pm

re: #151 theheat

mmm…cake…

153 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do I have to?

Only if you think gay people have some choice in who they are. If you accept the basic reality that we do not choose our preferences then you can skip the lesson.

However take away that any revulsion you might feel at the thought of sleeping with another man is the same revulsion that a strongly gay man would feel about sleeping with a woman.

154 abbyadams  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:40:48pm

re: #98 Charles

And Rush’s listeners have the cojones to taunt Obama’s followers for being blind?

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:40:53pm

re: #148 pdc_lgf

Pirates practiced gay marriage. Arr Hargh!

Where do you think they got the term “swabbing the poop deck”?

156 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:41:10pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you think about it, meditate on it, then pretty soon you’ll be able to rename yourself Skinny Bastard Vegetarian.

157 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #151 theheat

C’mon, FBV. We already know what you like to touch. And it requires plate, a fork, and a big glass of milk.

Kinky!

158 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:41:29pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

mmm…cake…

The cake is a lie.

159 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:41:32pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

Please imagine that someone told you that you could never touch a woman again, but G-d wanted you to have all the sex you want with men. Could you do that?

I’m having a tough time figuring out which G-D says that. Eros? Dionysus? But the ancient Greeks were all down with gayness, so no.

The G-D of the Torah does not say you can have all the sex you want with anybody, as long as it’s with the opposite gender. There are lots of restrictions on who you can have sex with and when.

160 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:41:35pm

re: #150 JasonA

Fair enough! I didn’t ding you because you are right, many do think the way you wrote about. Of course like much that comes from fundies, it is divorced from actual reality.

161 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:43:20pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

However take away that any revulsion you might feel at the thought of sleeping with another man is the same revulsion that a strongly gay man would feel about sleeping with a woman.

Actually, I am associated with many people who are homosexual (probably more than most straight people, because 2 of them are siblings). And I can tell you that this is not true. The revulsion factor is not there, it’s just a lack of interest. I’ve spoken with many different people about this.

162 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:43:35pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I never thought of that.

I realized that I was conflicted re my screen name ten minutes after I got here.
I would have preferred Barnacle Bill the Sailor.

“It’s only me from under the sea …” How come he’s under the sea?

163 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:43:39pm

re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The cake is a lie.

Yes, but no one gets hurt.

164 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:44:29pm

re: #98 Charles

Rush Limbaugh first fell for the “Obama’s thesis” hoax, then recanted later on his show — sort of. He actually said he doesn’t care if the quotes were fake, because “I know Obama thinks it.”

[Video]

Neat. A Rush embrace of “fake but accurate”. The handbasket is getting pretty crowded.

165 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:44:37pm

re: #159 Alouette

I’m having a tough time figuring out which G-D says that. Eros? Dionysus? But the ancient Greeks were all down with gayness, so no.

The G-D of the Torah does not say you can have all the sex you want with anybody, as long as it’s with the opposite gender. There are lots of restrictions on who you can have sex with and when.

You mis read me.

It is obviously the case that Torah law is very strongly against gay sex. If you want to get into the Talmudic definitions of what constitutes gay sex, they are particulary opposed to men having anal sex.

I do no dispute that at all.

What I dispute is that people choose to be gay.

What I dispute is that it is even remotely just or fair to assume that being gay is some easy or trivial choice at that which can somehow be sublimated.

The point of the thought experiment is that if you are straight, imagine another world where things were reversed and your religion told you that G-d wanted you to be gay.

Could you so easily go against your own nature?

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:44:53pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

I hope I say this correctly, without offending anyone.

I don’t think it is a choice (though, some have made the choice).

Some people hold it in so desparately because of familial and societal pressure. The choice separated them from family whom they dearly love.

Is it a choice? Can’t imagine a large segment of the homosexual population making a choice like that. Just can’t imagine.

167 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:45:20pm

re: #161 cliffster

Not my experience. Definitely there’s an element of revulsion, in the folks I talked to. Just like my revulsion contemplating me doing gay sex.

168 Cato the Elder  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:45:23pm

I know: Huckabee-Palin (or vice versa) in 2012!

169 abbyadams  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:45:35pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Known in the lefty circles as IOKIYAR, IIRC.

I would like to offer this edit for the topic:

IOKIYRL.

170 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

I know: Huckabee-Palin (or vice versa) in 2012!

Well, it would have the advantage of getting it over with quickly. Few things are worse than prolonging the agony.

171 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

Religiously speaking, acting on a preference does not necessarily constitute a morally correct choice.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The cake is a lie.

Your’s might be.
/

173 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:46:43pm

re: #167 pdc_lgf

Not my experience. Definitely there’s an element of revulsion, in the folks I talked to. Just like my revulsion contemplating me doing gay sex.

Well, I guess all gay people aren’t exactly the same then!

174 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:46:56pm

re: #171 bosforus

Religiously speaking, acting on a preference does not necessarily constitute a morally correct choice.

I’d prefer not to pay for things, this does not justify stealing.

175 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #173 cliffster

Mos’ def’ not the same!

176 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:48:04pm

re: #174 bosforus

You’d really prefer to get stuff for free? Not to work for it?

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:48:31pm

re: #176 pdc_lgf

You’d really prefer to get stuff for free? Not to work for it?

Honestly? HELL YEAH!

178 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:48:41pm

re: #174 bosforus

I’d prefer not to pay for things, this does not justify stealing.

I covet my neighbor’s wife. She’s hot.

179 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:49:26pm

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What would you do with all the spare time?

180 arethusa  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:49:39pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

I know: Huckabee-Palin (or vice versa) in 2012!

Huckabee’s band can play in the inauguration. Save money.

///

(Not that that ticket would get as far as an inauguration.)

181 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:49:49pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

The bibles-pitchfork-and-lanterns tour. Coming to a rural towns everywhere across America, ya know, where real Americans can be found.

Ick.

182 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:49:52pm

Oh brother.

A Halloween Book Burning: Only God’s Word Will Survive

Halloween Book Burning

Burning Perversions of God’s Word

Oct. 31, 2009
7pm - Until

Great Preaching and Singing

Come to our Halloween book burning. We are burning Satan’s bibles like the NIV, RSV, NKJV, TLB, NASB, NEV, NRSV, ASV, NWT, Good News for Modern Man, The Evidence Bible, The Message Bible, The Green Bible, ect.

These are perversions of God’s Word, the King James Bible.We will also be burning Satan’s music such as country , pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul, oldies but goldies, etc.

We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Westcott & Hort, Bruce Metzger, Billy Graham Rick Warren Bill Hybels , John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham , Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning, William Young, etc.

We are not burning Bibles written in other languages that are based on the TR. We are not burning the Wycliffe, Tyndale, Geneva or other translations that are based on the TR.

We will be serving Bar-b-Que Chicken, fried chicken, and all the sides.

If you have any books or music to donate, please call us for pick-up. If you like you can drop them off at our church door anytime. Thanks. (phone number deleted)

Our Scriptural Bases For Burning

The Scriptural bases for what we are doing each year is found in Acts 19:18-20 “And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.”

183 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:50:13pm

re: #178 cliffster

I covet my neighbor’s wife. She’s hot.

Hey, now! I’m right here. At least wait for me to leave before you start talking like that! Might be enough to make me the jealous type.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:50:33pm

re: #162 pdc_lgf

But every time you posted, I would have to sing…(with an Olive Oyl voice)

“Who’s that knooocking at my door
Who’s that knooocking at my door
Who’s that knooocking at my door”

I think folks’d get tired of it.

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

Now that is the party of FAIL.

186 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:50:53pm

re: #179 pdc_lgf

What would you do with all the spare time?

Stuff.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:50:57pm

re: #179 pdc_lgf

What would you do with all the spare time?

Play with my free stuff!

188 arethusa  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Play with my free stuff!

You wouldn’t eat cake? Because that would also be free!

189 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:51:51pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My kids don’t know the song. I thought all kids knew the song. Ah, how life passes one by…

190 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:52:13pm

re: #181 theheat

The bibles-pitchfork-and-lanterns tour. Coming to a rural towns everywhere across America, ya know, where real Americans can be found.

Ick.

You know, I was trying to post a joking reply about how they could have an inaugural witch burning or something, but it just wasn’t funny… .and then I read Kragar’s #182, and I realized just how un-funny the notion really is.

191 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #171 bosforus

Religiously speaking, acting on a preference does not necessarily constitute a morally correct choice.

Absolutely that is true. You could argue it more strongly even and say that trying to refine your base nature is one of the main goals of religion.

However, there is a difference between preference in deep seated drive.

The sex drive is not some trivial thing that is easily reprogrammed or wrestled with.

It turns out that at least in the religious Jewish community - I know about this because I am in it, there are gay people. Many of them even get married to a straight spouse. This creates a situation frequently that is miserable for both of them.

You simply can not overwrite something that deep and it is cruel and unjust to pretend that these people could do it, if they were just a little stronger.

Ther are cases of Gay orthodox Jewish men seeking electroshock therapy to cure themselves of their “illness.” Guess what, they are poorer, more miserable, feel more outcast and humiliated because of it, and they are still gay.

192 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:52:21pm

re: #179 pdc_lgf

What would you do with all the spare time?

Ever been to Amsterdam? You know how much money you get from the Gov’t Dole for not working?
I’m hanging at the Canals all day painting pretty pictures making more money than you.. with 100% health care…Only suckers pay taxes!
*wink*

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:52:50pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We will also be burning Satan’s music such as country , pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul, oldies but goldies, etc.

Satan sure has some eclectic musical tastes.

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:32pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah burning books is the most obvious and base mark of the worst sort of thought control and repression.

195 Yashmak  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:38pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jeebus. Contemporary Christian music is now a perversion of God’s word? Does this sound a little like the fundamentalists of another religion you can think of?!?

196 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:43pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ugh. I celebrate every day of October with the zeal of Vincent Price, Boris Karloff, and Lon Chaney put together. It’s pumpkin lattes, black and orange, and bad B movie horror flicks from dusk til dawn. Around here, it’s “get on board or get the hell out of my way.” Damn, I love Halloween.

They’ll pry my copy of Phantom of the Opera and The Collective Works of Edgar Allan Poe from my cold, dead, hands.

197 avanti  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #55 ArchangelMichael

People who cannot write, or don’t have solid command of the language they write in, shouldn’t have blogs (or any written publications). Nobody with half a brain should take this guy seriously after trying to wade through that first paragraph.

More from Media matters on the fake.

link…

198 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Satan sure has some eclectic musical tastes.

Satan is a real hip cat sometimes.

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stuff.

As long as it’s not cheese or kite related stuff, that’s cool.

200 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:54:31pm

re: #191 LudwigVanQuixote

All great points. It’s just that often in this discussion my point goes unrecognized. Just had to throw it in there.
:)

201 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:55:19pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

As long as it’s not cheese or kite related stuff, that’s cool.

But I like cheese.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:55:26pm

re: #200 bosforus

All great points. It’s just that often in this discussion my point goes unrecognized. Just had to throw it in there.
:)

I’m glad you did because by doing so it refines the overall discussion.

203 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:55:49pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, ya gotta give ‘em credit for at least choosing a wide variety of fodder.

Reminds me of the story of the last destruction of the library at Alexandria (the one in Egypt).

Caliph ‘Umar shows up with his boyos, and grabs a scribe.

“Hey,” he says “What do all these writings say?” (I’m paraphrasing, but you get the gist.)

Now, old scribe’s a cagey guy - he’s seen fanatics before, and he knows just how to answer them.

“They agree wholly and in all parts with your Holy Book,” he says.

“Excellent,” says ‘Umar. “Burn them.”

“Why?” asks the scribe. “They say that same thing as your Holy Book.”

“If they contradicted the Holy Book, they’d be heretical, and so they’d have to be burned. Because they agree with the Holy Book, they are unnecessary, and could lead to confusion, and so they have to be burned.”

204 cliffster  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:55:53pm

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But I like cheese.

I like kites.

205 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:56:23pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh brother.

A Halloween Book Burning: Only God’s Word Will Survive

Good grief. The KJV is perhaps the worst translation of the Bible into English, ever. It’s a hunk of junk.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #196 theheat


I like Poe’s macabre stuff.

But, give me the poem Annabelle Lee any day.

Gosh, I love that. My favorite poem about obsessive love.

Well, my favorite poem.

207 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:56:49pm

A strongly worded letter issued to the GOP…
87-Member Minority Caucus: Muslim ‘Intern Spy’ Hunt Smacks Of McCarthy Era

In a strongly-worded statement today, the Congressional Tri-Caucus, which represents three minority caucuses, denounced a call by four GOP lawmakers for an investigation into whether Muslim “intern spies” have infiltrated the Hill.

“These charges smack of an America of sixty years ago where lists of ‘un-American’ agitators were identified,” said Reps. Michael Honda (D-CA), Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Nydia Velazquez (D-NY). They are the chairs of the Asian Pacific American Caucus, the Black Caucus, and the Hispanic Caucus, respectively.


CAIR is a bunch of creeps but they are legally entitled to lobby. I’ve seen no evidence the interns did anything other than thier jobs.

208 Guanxi88  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

Good grief. The KJV is perhaps the worst translation of the Bible into English, ever. It’s a hunk of junk.

It’s well-written, though. It’s inaccurate, but beautiful.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:57:37pm

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

The Psalms are lovely in KJV.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:57:43pm

re: #27 rwdflynavy

Maybe they are in favor of limited government, personal responsibility and individual liberties…

You’d have to be very, very in favor to put up with some of this crap.

211 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:58:11pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m glad you did because by doing so it refines the overall discussion.

I have a question about AGW for you…I don’t know much about it.. I respect ms. Sato over at the dailygalaxy.. But you know me Lud..I’m not a scientist…

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:58:38pm

re: #209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Psalms are lovely in KJV.

Yes they are.. but I prefer the Hebrew.

Speaking of which, Shabbos is rolling in. I wish the best weekend to all of you!

213 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:59:04pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

I have a question about AGW for you…I don’t know much about it.. I respect ms. Sato over at the dailygalaxy.. But you know me Lud..I’m not a scientist…

ask please quickly… sundown comes…

214 theheat  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:59:10pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also one of my mom’s favorites.

215 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

Good grief. The KJV is perhaps the worst translation of the Bible into English, ever. It’s a hunk of junk.

The Church’s web page looks like it was designed by the GOP, its that bad.

216 bosforus  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 2:59:24pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m glad you did because by doing so it refines the overall discussion.

Now let us drink our tea. To civility!

217 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #213 LudwigVanQuixote

ask please quickly… sundown comes…

Sundown, you better beware if I found you been creeping round my back stairs

218 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:00:42pm

re: #191 LudwigVanQuixote

At least they get to dance with other men at weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Gut Shabbes.

219 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sundown, you better beware if I found you been creeping round my back stairs

Which is one of my all time favorite songs!

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #204 cliffster

Well than y’all won’t be hanging with Craig.

It’s about the eighth one down.

221 Cato the Elder  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:01:21pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

These are perversions of God’s Word, the King James Bible.

Yep, it was an inspired translation, doncha know. I wonder what they think of Jerome?

We are not burning Bibles written in other languages that are based on the TR.

What is the “TR”?

222 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:01:22pm

re: #191 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey, posken for me a bit. First we both know that the Written Law doesn’t prohibit lesbian sex.

As for sex between men. Do you think that it is implicit that the Law was telling them to hit the road - go someplace else - and not stay in the community?

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:01:39pm

re: #218 Spare O’Lake

At least they get to dance with other men at weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Gut Shabbes.

That is cruel…

Oyy…

Gut Shabbos to you!

224 J.S.  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:04:15pm

re: #203 Guanxi88

(Although many historians maintain that that story is a hoax…Betrand Russell made a statement about what could be said about the many libraries at Alexandria which were burnt down to the ground…wiki article here…)

225 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:06:33pm

re: #213 LudwigVanQuixote

ask please quickly… sundown comes…

I was wondering about the math used for Global climate change and natural cycles…Are they factored together?
I think it’s crazy that people don’t think we effect the Environment..
As a kid I remember it was so bad there were certain lakes if you threw a match into it would blow up.. You couldn’t breathe the Air in LA…Trash was everywhere…And as much fun as it is to make fun of environmentalists…I have seen great strides in cleaning up America and the World…
But i wanted to discuss certain global cycles and how Scientists measure them with AGW…
I’m sorry Ludwig..It is late and we need time to discuss..
May God grant to peace and healing tonight…May your blessings overflow.
See ya soon

226 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:06:56pm

re: #222 pdc_lgf

Hey, posken for me a bit. First we both know that the Written Law doesn’t prohibit lesbian sex.

As for sex between men. Do you think that it is implicit that the Law was telling them to hit the road - go someplace else - and not stay in the community?

Ohhh poskining is well above my pay grade. I am not a rabbi. I do have some yeshiva, but honestly I could not in good conscious say that is the view of the Orthodox community.

That is actually a question that I can not give anything other than my own opinion on.

As to facts of the law, it is certain that women are very specifically treated as a different case under Talmudic law then gay men. Specifically Lesbian sex is not defined as something that incurs a death penalty.

It is also true that the medieval commentators expanded the rulings on gay men to gay women. However, they have a hard time agreeing on just what lesbian acts mirror the male acts in a formal sense.

All that said,

There is a strong halachic argument that if they can not choose these acts, but instead it is their nature, that the previous rulings do not apply in the same way in that it creates a separate case.

Not everyone agrees with that argument.

I do.

227 lurking faith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:08:27pm

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

Good grief. The KJV is perhaps the worst translation of the Bible into English, ever. It’s a hunk of junk.

But it’s pretty…

228 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

I was wondering about the math used for Global climate change and natural cycles…Are they factored together?
I think it’s crazy that people don’t think we effect the Environment..
As a kid I remember it was so bad there were certain lakes if you threw a match into it would blow up.. You couldn’t breathe the Air in LA…Trash was everywhere…And as much fun as it is to make fun of environmentalists…I have seen great strides in cleaning up America and the World…
But i wanted to discuss certain global cycles and how Scientists measure them with AGW…
I’m sorry Ludwig..It is late and we need time to discuss..
May God grant to peace and healing tonight…May your blessings overflow.
See ya soon

Hoops you are awesome. Depending on which specific cycles, I would be very glad to get into any details you want.

Solar cycles in particular are easy to discuss because the orbital mechanics is well understood.

For later then my friend and all blessings to you as well.

229 Cato the Elder  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:09:54pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh brother.

A Halloween Book Burning: Only God’s Word Will Survive

I love their definition of “scholar”:

“A true scholar is one who believes the Bible (KJV) whether he understands it or not.”

Unh.

And their original website is a place of the damned, design-wise.

I don’t know what deity caused the correlation between eye-tormenting, brain-befogging fluorescent-green-text-on-deep-blue-background web design and lunacy, but it holds true in all cases.

So mote it be.

230 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

I’m sure he would have issues with massive over spending. But as far as the press is concerned, it’s interesting that so many Americans seem to think things are radically different in how the press operates now as compared to then. Back then- all the press was biased- they displayed it openly. Now what we have is a press that tells us they’re objective- which we all debate, and isn’t the point of this comment. But- as an independent man with the ability to distribute his own writings, I think he’d love the internet and blogs, and wouldn’t be so shocked at the msm as banned lizard air heads would like to believe.

I think you are right.
And on the money question, he firmly believed that the way to become wealthy was to watch the pennies and the dollars would take care of themselves.

231 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:11:50pm

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Unh.

And their original website is a place of the damned, design-wise.

I don’t know what deity caused the correlation between eye-tormenting, brain-befogging fluorescent-green-text-on-deep-blue-background web design and lunacy, but it holds true in all cases.

So mote it be.

Only the faithful have the fortitude to read the lime green on blue!

I’m betting they’ld be willing to sign right up for your Huck-Palin ticket though.

232 enoughalready  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:17:12pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Satan sure has some eclectic musical tastes.

“Dear insane religious types,

I may well be responsible for soft and easy but don’t blame me for ‘contemporary Christians’. You came up with that one all on your own which should be obvious if you had any sort of interest in music.

Best regards, toodles and so on and so forth

your pal

Satan”

233 lurking faith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh brother.

A Halloween Book Burning: Only God’s Word Will Survive

You know, some Protestants tend to mock Catholics for not knowing the Bible, but at least I know that the TR (Textus Receptus) was compiled, translated, and amended by Erasmus in the 16th century from late texts. As far as I know, no credible scholar considers it authentic (in the sense of being the most accurate reflection of the original that we could put together).

I just don’t understand the TR-only crowd. Are they afraid that other bible versions might rescind the whole Reformation, or what?

234 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:20:10pm

re: #226 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I get your drift. particularly about the nature versus choice part.

I saw a commentary once, to the intended effect that the Law was to prohibit “men acting like women” - and that the nature of the acts was not “really” what’s at issue. Similar - but not the same as- how “an eye for an eye, a tooth for is meant to establish a principle of equity, not lex talionis.

I am very ignorant on these matters.

Being a gay man in a frum community must almost certainly be a very unpleasant life. I imagine that the ECT is for treating depression.

235 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #233 lurking faith

Erasmus studied Hebrew I think.

236 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:21:12pm

re: #232 enoughalready

“Dear insane religious types,

I may well be responsible for soft and easy but don’t blame me for ‘contemporary Christians’. You came up with that one all on your own which should be obvious if you had any sort of interest in music.

Best regards, toodles and so on and so forth

your pal

Satan”

The GOP never saw it coming..But they allowed it.
What is that saying?
The devil is the one with his hand under Mona Lisa’s dress…

237 Cato the Elder  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:21:33pm

re: #221 Cato the Elder

What is the “TR”?

Never mind - answered my own question. It’s the textus receptus or received version published in 1633, which is about as out-of-date a reflection of the manuscript tradition as its age implies.

238 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:22:55pm

re: #29 reine.de.tout

OT I sent your proofed file.

239 lurking faith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:24:14pm

re: #235 pdc_lgf

Erasmus studied Hebrew I think.

Not sure. But he did the translation based on Greek and Vulgate texts, all of them post-1000 IIRC. And made lots of “corrections” wherever he was sure the text couldn’t be right.

240 lurking faith  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:25:29pm

phone!
bbl

241 pdc_lgf  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:31:04pm

re: #239 lurking faith

For what it’s worth:
jewishvirtuallibrary.org

So my statement that Erasmus studied Hebrew cannot stand, according to the text pointed to by the link. But other folks in his era did, and he depended on them.

242 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:48:58pm
243 ~Fianna  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Now, that’s just an incorrect assessment of the mind-set of those who oppose gay marriage, but have no problem with civil unions.

My opposition to gay marriage has to do with the fact that for eons, marriage has meant a union between a man and a woman, and in most cultures, there is some religious meaning to the concept of “marriage” that would not be reflected in a union of two gay people.

Why would it be such an awful thing to contemplate the concept of the state granting “civil unions” to couples of any persuasion, which satisfy the legal reguriements currently in play for “marriage”, with “marriage” reserved for those unions blessed by a faith institution in tandem with a the couple’s state-recognized civil union?

I think all people should register their partnership with the government for the legal stuff and then do whatever they want to celebrate with their friends, family, religious community, etc.

TBH, that’s exactly what Mr. ~Fi and I did. We got a legal wedding at one of the wedding chapels and the next night, our housemate did an awesome handfasting ceremony and we had a party with our friends.

244 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 3:57:41pm

re: #57 marjoriemoon

Really. Everyone. Why not let gays marry then?

Why not let gays marry now?

245 Teh Flowah  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:13:09pm

To be absolutely accurate and fair, the “dirty jew” remark you bolded was not in fact his own feelings, but what he said the Left feels. And tbh, this site has expressed feelings somewhat similar in the anti-Israel bias it perceives in much of the MSM.

246 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:28:02pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

A strongly worded letter issued to the GOP…
87-Member Minority Caucus: Muslim ‘Intern Spy’ Hunt Smacks Of McCarthy Era


CAIR is a bunch of creeps but they are legally entitled to lobby. I’ve seen no evidence the interns did anything other than thier jobs.

Should we start asking how many Weyrich-scioned interns are Serbian-Armenian?

247 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #14 Charles

must’ve found it in the seekrit Library of Congress with the fourth “Kenyan Birth Certificate”, the “Death Books”, Geithners copy of “The Little Red Book” and “The Estate Tax and You - How It’s Repeal Will Help Those Earning Less Than 20k”…

248 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 5:19:49pm

re: #245 Teh Flowah

To be absolutely accurate and fair, the “dirty jew” remark you bolded was not in fact his own feelings, but what he said the Left feels. And tbh, this site has expressed feelings somewhat similar in the anti-Israel bias it perceives in much of the MSM.

Nonsense. Go ahead, find one post from me where I ever wrote anything like that.

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 6:18:26pm

re: #97 rwdflynavy

Right, I’m in favor of civil unions providing all those benefits. Just don’t change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years.

Oh noes! The sacred institution of marriage! With Britney Spears out in front carrying the standard!

9_9

250 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 6:31:15pm

re: #97 rwdflynavy

Marriage used to be - and still is - in many areas of the world a transaction. Marriage has always been a living and breathing entity - should dowries and marriages of convenicne that bind Houses together still exist?
In Biblical times i don’t believe there was a minimum age to get married… should we go away with that?

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 23, 2009 8:19:22pm

re: #56 JasonA

I’m of the opinion that a lot of people are afraid that they’re offspring will start to see homosexuality as something that’s completely normal. That can be especially frightening to you if you believe that being gay is a choice. You want your little ones to see that it’s a horrible thing. I think that’s the real fear for a lot of family-oriented people at least.

Why the hell do anti-gay bigots get to own the term “family”?

252 JohninLondon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 6:25:10am

It is clear from the extracts of nasty comments that HotAir needs to regulate its comments pages. No question about that.

But personally I find the HotAir site a useful resource in that it carries bundles of posts about each day’s news/events. I seldom bother to read the comments - I just want to see the video clips they post, follow some of the stories they track. And on that “news signposting service” overall, I do not regard them as off-the-wall - I check out RealClearPolitics each day, then Powerline - then HotAir.

Perhaps La Palin is a kinda test. I don’t see the HotAir main posts as slavishly backing her, indeed a lot of them are very critical - but there is a sharp disconnect with the comments pages on Palin. Which is why I don’t usually read the comments !

253 Teh Flowah  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #248 Charles

Nonsense. Go ahead, find one post from me where I ever wrote anything like that.

Are you really challenging me to find examples of you criticizing the MSM for having a knee-jerk anti-Israel bias?

My original point was, which the downdings seem to indicate went WOOOSH over people’s heads, was that the dirty jew remark was not a smack against Jews, but against the MSM. It’s like saying all Republicans think gays are faggots. It’s a mean word, and if bolded it looks bad to people just glancing over and seeing the things that pop out, but it doesn’t say in the slightest that the person who just used the word shares those feelings.

The guy made a comment in a much less tactful way, but it was expressing very similar frustrations with the anti-Israel bias present in the media that this very same blog also sees.

If you think you understand this post and want to still challenge it as “show me where I do this” I guess I can start digging up your posts afterwards.

254 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:18:10pm

These are no longer funny (if they ever were).

I hope the Secret Service is doing its job and looking after the POTUS, keeping an eye on these armed, dangerous, and deranged right-wingers.

Their verbal violent keeps escalating; I really hope it’ll remain verbal, but I highly doubt it.

255 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 4:59:00pm
256 Captain Midnight  Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:03:50am

I like the comments policy here: “Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs. Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.” I liked it so much I’ve used the same language, and suggested others do the same.

So I have to wonder why the LGF community is pouncing on Hot Air comments. Before the comments on any post there is the phrase: “Please don’t assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand.”

Appears to be pretty much the same policy, so why the concern over the “extreme, hateful, racist, and/or violent comments posted at Hot Air”? They are the responsibility of the extreme, hateful, racist, and/or violent commenters themselves and not Hot Air. Just like this comment is my own responsibility and not Charles’.

257 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:40:59am

re: #253 Teh Flowah

Are you really challenging me to find examples of you criticizing the MSM for having a knee-jerk anti-Israel bias?

No, I’m challenging you to find any post where I accused the mainstream media of having an anti-Israel bias with words like “dirty Jew.” I don’t write like that.


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