Barrett Brown Goes Kook-Baiting

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Barrett Brown has another funny (because it’s true!) piece at True/Slant about his adventures in the netherworld of Internet stalkerdom, and the deranged characters who’ve dedicated their shabby lives and shabbier blogs to posting weird childish smears of yours truly: In Which I Try My Hand at Cartooning and Subsequently Run Afoul of Two Crazy People.

Sometimes one encounters craziness by complete accident. Over the last few weeks, I’ve been haranguing anyone willing to listen regarding conservative pundit Robert Stacy McCain and the mounting evidence of his racism and various previously-concealed ties to the neo-Nazi movement. The whole affair has led me into a friendly coordination with Charles Johnson, the blogger who helped break the Rathergate story, co-founded the conservative blog consortium Pajamas Media, and otherwise served for many years as one of the right’s most celebrated citizen journalists. It turns out, though, that Johnson is not so much a conservative as he is simply an adamant critic of Islamic fundamentalism – and, to the horror of many, an opponent of Christian fundamentalism as well, this being an unforgivable offense among many of those who once thought the noted blogger to be swell but today routinely dismiss him as “Mad King Charles.”

The latest symptom of Johnson’s astonishing descent into psychosis, as several conservative pundits have explained to me over the past couple of weeks, is his inexplicable insistence on pointing out that McCain has lately been exposed as the very thing that he’s always appeared to be – a southern racist who associated for years with the now-jailed neo-Nazi leader William White and even helped to get his articles sold to�The Washington Times during his stint as an editor; who wrote about the dangers of white “race suicide” by way of teen pregnancy prevention measures that target whites instead of just blacks – and did so under an assumed name inspired by various Confederate “heroes” – for the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance; who in an e-mail once characterized “revulsion” as a “natural” reaction to mixed-race marriages; who before his rise to national prominence wrote dozens of internet forum messages in defense of slavery and in support of white political control over non-white populations while using the same pen name (a name to which he has admitted ownership); and who has otherwise expended some very significant amount of time and energy in opposing the aspirations of black American citizens. Of all the clear evidence against him, he has taken issue only with a former Times co-worker’s characterization of him as a loud, angry racist – apparently the accuser is simply out to get him and, worse, divorced. Even after addressing that particular charge against him in a recent blog post, he nonetheless announced�a few days later that he shall not address any of my charges against him because I will simply keep coming up with more charges. He’s right. …

Which brings me to a fun and illustrative little anecdote. Last week, McCain published a rather well-inked and crisply-colored cartoon composed by an admiring conservative artist, with the thrust of the message being that Charles Johnson is a whining baby who wears baby diapers and soils his diapers and is otherwise a baby; meanwhile, several prominent conservative bloggers and newly-minted Johnson foes such as Hot Air headliner Ed Morrissey and actual cartoon character Pam Geller are standing around talking about how much of a big, diaper-wetting baby Johnson has turned out to be (the character depicting blogger Dan Riehl even explains, lest any subtlety make its way into the panel, that Johnson “just needs his diaper changed”).

Still, I figured the art could be salvaged, so I downloaded the cartoon, changed all the text, and sent my new version to McCain, Johnson, and the artist himself. McCain responded with a big blog post in which he likens me to the�commissar�of �”a Maoist re-education camp” and otherwise got so caught up in his inimitably flamboyant nonsense that he seems to have forgotten to thank me for the cartoon. The artist and some other person associated with the artist’s blog, on the other hand, sent me a bunch of wacky e-mails to which I tried my best to respond. This afternoon, I received yet another e-mail from one of the two informing me of “the huge backlash coming [my] way” and warning that my career is now in danger. I gave them permission to print the e-mails only to realize that they’d already put them up anyway; I shall send the reader to go take a gander at them in a moment, as the whole exchange is wonderfully illustrative of�the mentality of those who have defended McCain and accuse his attackers of libel without even bothering to look at the evidence being presented.

Read it all. Those tiny popping sounds you hear in the distance are stalkers’ heads exploding.

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217 comments
1 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:24:33am

Amazing. These people are nuts. And racist shills.

2 soxfan4life  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:25:38am

I love the sound of exploding heads in the morning.

3 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:28:40am

I was looking at some of Mr. Brown’s archived essays this morning. The guy can write and is funny. And the font is nice and big! I can lean back in my chair and read it (at least until that hook pokes me…)

5. If you haven’t read my articles on McCain, then you obviously have no way of knowing that no one ever links to evidence of his racism, since I may very well have linked to evidence of his racism in the articles you didn’t read. So, you’re making a claim about something that you can’t verify.

6. Read number five again.

7. One more time.

[…]

9. I’m trying to think of an even simpler way to explain this but I can’t. Anyway, the houses are my articles on Stacy McCain and blue interiors constitute links to evidence of his racism.

heeheeheehee

4 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #2 soxfan4life

I love the sound of exploding heads in the morning.

Sounds like…victory.

5 jaunte  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:30:57am

Great essay. This is a dead-on summation of the recent disturbances around here:

…Charles Johnson, the blogger who helped break the Rathergate story, co-founded the conservative blog consortium Pajamas Media, and otherwise served for many years as one of the right’s most celebrated citizen journalists. It turns out, though, that Johnson is not so much a conservative as he is simply an adamant critic of Islamic fundamentalism – and, to the horror of many, an opponent of Christian fundamentalism as well, this being an unforgivable offense among many of those who once thought the noted blogger to be swell but today routinely dismiss him as “Mad King Charles.”
6 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:35:57am

Long live the king!

7 jaunte  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:40:37am

“We busy corporate strategists are far too busy for your silly evidence!”

8 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:47:20am

I’m glad to see he’s figured out that the ID movement is a bunch of charlatans.

9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #8 John Neverbend

I’m glad to see he’s figured out that the ID movement is a bunch of charlatans.

Didn’t just figure it out — he wrote a whole book about it. (Which I recommend.)

Flock of Dodos: Behind Modern Creationism, Intelligent Design and the Easter Bunny

10 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #5 jaunte

Great essay. This is a dead-on summation of the recent disturbances around here:

And that’s the measure of sanity regarding Charles: The conservatives who haven’t flounced are the ones who’ve been able to accept that Charles isn’t “one of us” (a term I us with my father to describe fellow conservatives), but is still a fierce anti-totalitarian and a very astute observer. It too me some time to fully understand that, but I’m glad I did. Much of the GOP has left me, but I’ve still got a place to try to figure out a sane, modern, conservatism and for that, I thank Charles frequently.

11 Splatt  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:49:46am

I just came from Mccain’s blog. It’s getting sadder by the day - 0 comments on most of his posts; shamelessly, relentlessly pleading with his readers to, “Hit the tip jar”; obsessive posts about who links to him and who doesn’t and why; and not one attempt anywhere to address any of the specific accusations against him.

I can’t bear to keep looking, and yet I can’t look away.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:51:09am

Have to go to work. I’ll be back late tonight.

13 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:51:41am

re: #9 Charles

Didn’t just figure it out — he wrote a whole book about it. (Which I recommend.)

Flock of Dodos: Behind Modern Creationism, Intelligent Design and the Easter Bunny

Easter Bunny ain’t real?

14 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Easter Bunny ain’t real?

He’s not the Easter Bunny you once knew.

15 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:55:18am

From McCain’s blog: “Factors Militating Journalistic Resistance Action”

What the fuck does that even mean? It’s like a translation of lyrics from an Anime theme song.

16 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:55:46am

re: #14 SixDegrees

He’s not the Easter Bunny you once knew.

Of course not, now he’s the Pope.

17 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #15 metrolibertarian

From McCain’s blog: “Factors Militating Journalistic Resistance Action”

What the fuck does that even mean? It’s like a translation of lyrics from an Anime theme song.

Safe and Warrant, Careful is the Eraser.

18 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:01:31am
19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:05:59am

WND: Insider reveals secrets of North America plot

By Jerome R. Corsi

Loons.

20 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:07:52am

GOP photoshop from the farkers.

21 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

WND: Insider reveals secrets of North America plot

By Jerome R. Corsi

Loons.

Well, it’s a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there’s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who’s in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. “Oh, you’re gonna buy my chicken! Ohhh!”

Dad, how can you hate “The Colonel”?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!

22 arethusa  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:07:56am

re: #18 Ojoe

Extremely funny cat video.

I just played that and my cat completely freaked out.

23 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #22 arethusa

“NSFC”

24 Barrett Brown  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #15 metrolibertarian

re: #15 metrolibertarian

From McCain’s blog: “Factors Militating Journalistic Resistance Action”

What the fuck does that even mean? It’s like a translation of lyrics from an Anime theme song.

God damnit, Charles, everyone here is funnier than I am. Fuck this blog.

25 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:11:57am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

WND: Insider reveals secrets of North America plot

By Jerome R. Corsi

Loons.

I’m not sure which is crazier, the content of that article, or that people might actually be paying WND nearly thirty bucks to mail “pink slips” to Congress.

re: #21 Guanxi88

Well, it’s a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there’s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who’s in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. “Oh, you’re gonna buy my chicken! Ohhh!”

Dad, how can you hate “The Colonel”?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!

Fuck, and I had just stopped shitting my pants thinking about the elites who meet at Bohemian Grove, you have to point out this new group of world controllers.

26 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:12:52am

re: #25 metrolibertarian

Fuck, and I had just stopped shitting my pants thinking about the elites who meet at Bohemian Grove, you have to point out this new group of world controllers.

oh, Bohemian Grove’s just where the Pentavirate sends their drivers and housekeepers to keep them outta the way. Like Congress.

27 ryannon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:15:11am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like…victory.

It’s never victory with these people. I spent a number of months following a wing-nut forum that was connected to the precious metals merchant Kitco. It was a hive of all sorts of craziness, and markedly anti-semitic. Ironically enough, Kitco is owned by a Jew - a fact which, which when I announced it in the middle of an anti-semitic rant, was glossed over as if I had simply stated that Kitco was actually a business venture of the good people people over at Stormfront. It wouldn’t surprise me if that’s was what the other posters thought they actually saw. The point I’m trying to make here is that these people are simply not amenable to reason. For example, in a discussion about “the injustice with which Germany was treated by the Allies after the Second World War”, I linked to information that offered pretty convincing proof that the Holocaust actually took place and was not the figment of the diseased imagination of the International Zionist Conspiracy. Once again, it was as if I posted nothing at all. On another occasion I managed, dialectically speaking, to corner one of these guys and hammer him with questions such as, had he ever even heard of the concentration camps? He posted back that yes, he had heard about camps in which a lot of Allied soldiers had been interned, and that many had probably died of starvation, but that the German civilian population on the whole had also experienced famine-like conditions. And that was that. These people have learned to paint reality by numbers, but the numbers they use always produce the same strange picture: a world with huge holes of information missing. Logic is useless and teh crazy is palpable, and what we call reality simply doesn’t exist. I struggled on for a few more months attempting to do what I could to attenuate the ambient idiocy but ultimately gave up after I started feeling like Sisyphus. And as far as I know, the Kitco Bar and Grill subforum is still continuing on its merry way, oblivious to even the most basic forms of objectivity. As for the owner, I somehow imagining him laughing all the way to the bank: the majority of the forum members were born-again goldbugs who were making him wealthier by the day.

28 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:16:50am

re: #27 ryannon

If you can’t beat ‘em - exploit ‘em!

29 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:17:58am

OT and speaking of ID.

We had some people over for dinner last night. Two couples, one of which we have known for a long time, the other… well, the wife works with my wife. You know. One of those things.
So we have dinner and things are reasonably civil. We talk about travel, work, touch on politics and so on. You all know the situation. Then we have another glass of wine in the living room and the lesser known husband of the new couple starts looking over some of our books (we are bibliophiles, a couple of years ago we realized we had > 200 ft of book shelves, today we are probably at 300+) and suddenly he pulls out “The God Delusion” and looks at me. I happen to be looking at him too because I was a bit curious about what he would think.
You probably all know where this is going. He turns out to be a born-again nutcase with a strong anti-science streak, not even ID, we are talking an all out young earth creationist. So he starts ranting. His wife looks really awkward so she and my wife leaves and our quite normal (but very liberal) friends just sit down to watch the show.
Apparently I will burn in hell, I should repent, renounce the devil inside me and find Jesus. He also told me he is in favor of people like me losing custody of their kids. At which point I politely showed him the door.

30 lurking faith  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:18:22am

I was just thinking: If Charles is “Mad King Charles,” does that make LGF the equivalent of Neuschwanstein (a marvel of technology in its day)?

Pssst… Charles… If the other bloggers ask you to go for a walk in the woods, say No!

31 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:19:12am

re: #29 enoughalready


Apparently I will burn in hell, I should repent, renounce the devil inside me and find Jesus.


Yeah, I get that a lot too.

32 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:19:27am

re: #30 lurking faith

I was just thinking: If Charles is “Mad King Charles,” does that make LGF the equivalent of Neuschwanstein (a marvel of technology in its day)?

Pssst… Charles… If the other bloggers ask you to go for a walk in the woods, say No!

Stay out of the basement, too.

33 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:20:23am

re: #24 Barrett Brown

re: #15 metrolibertarian

God damnit, Charles, everyone here is funnier than I am. Fuck this blog.

Flounce!

34 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:22:20am
and otherwise got so caught up in his inimitably flamboyant nonsense that he seems to have forgotten to thank me for the cartoon.

How rude.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #29 enoughalready

OT and speaking of ID.

We had some people over for dinner last night. Two couples, one of which we have known for a long time, the other… well, the wife works with my wife. You know. One of those things.
So we have dinner and things are reasonably civil. We talk about travel, work, touch on politics and so on. You all know the situation. Then we have another glass of wine in the living room and the lesser known husband of the new couple starts looking over some of our books (we are bibliophiles, a couple of years ago we realized we had > 200 ft of book shelves, today we are probably at 300+) and suddenly he pulls out “The God Delusion” and looks at me. I happen to be looking at him too because I was a bit curious about what he would think.
You probably all know where this is going. He turns out to be a born-again nutcase with a strong anti-science streak, not even ID, we are talking an all out young earth creationist. So he starts ranting. His wife looks really awkward so she and my wife leaves and our quite normal (but very liberal) friends just sit down to watch the show.
Apparently I will burn in hell, I should repent, renounce the devil inside me and find Jesus. He also told me he is in favor of people like me losing custody of their kids. At which point I politely showed him the door.

Hey, it happens, I just linked up with an old girlfriend from Tucson on Facebook. She has moved to the desert near the Mexican border, turned creationist/fundamentalist and her husband is a memeber of the border posse, he just buil a 30-foor “obervation tower” wo he can get a better view of what he is shooting at…

36 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #29 enoughalready

[snip]

… He also told me he is in favor of people like me losing custody of their kids. At which point I politely showed him the door.

You were polite. Seriously, I would have told him that someone like him was getting close to loosing his teeth, then showed him the door.

37 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:25:58am

The phrase “Dumb as a bag of hammers” springs to mind when reading the blog Barrett links to. That email exchange is funny as hell.

38 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:26:00am

Switching to Concern Troll Mode:

Even if only a small fragment of the ranters are dangerous, this will end in tears.

The SPLC is diverting a large part of this year’s fundraising to physical
security upgrades. A big driver was the Oath Keeper activity featured
on LGF a few nights ago.

39 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:26:28am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I get that a lot too.

I get “you’re presently confused, but you’ll understand the evidence and come to god” as if the proof of “god’s” existence would somehow override the deep-seated philosophical reasons I despise religion in all its forms.

40 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:27:00am

re: #24 Barrett Brown

Bad manners, sir.

41 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:28:09am

That was a cool article.

His 10 point logic process was classic.

42 ryannon  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:28:38am

re: #39 metrolibertarian

I get “you’re presently confused, but you’ll understand the evidence and come to god” as if the proof of “god’s” existence would somehow override the deep-seated philosophical reasons I despise religion in all its forms.

I heard that.

You’ll be keeping company with Kilgore in Hell!!

(Signed),

GOD.

43 jaunte  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #34 Sharmuta


“inimitably flamboyant nonsense”

Barrett Brown is a very talented writer.
Those three words almost cover the full R.S. McCain output.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:29:43am

Logic:

Evolution is flawed and incomplete

Therefore the Bible is Tue and Complete and you will burn in hell unless you interpret every word of it literally.

Got it?

45 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:30:38am

I liked this part:

But the most telling bit of all is happening as I type this – one of these two cartoonist-bloggers sent me another e-mail in which I am asked, “why is it that no one that makes these claims ever links the evidence of it to their ‘claims’?” Jumbled as it is, the assertion is clear – neither I nor Johnson nor anyone else has ever linked to any evidence of McCain’s racism. I sent the following reply:

If someone makes a claim about another person without linking to supporting evidence, then that someone has done a terrible and irresponsible thing indeed. So, since you yourself are claiming that I don’t link to evidence of my claims regarding McCain when I write about him, you should have no problem linking to an article I’ve written on McCain that does not include a link to evidence of his racism.

I look forward to your prompt and successful citation.

Amazingly, I received the following reply a few moments later:

Barrett,
Of course I would have no problem with it…where is it?
Link please….

Always with the spoon feeding. And they want to call Charles the baby? I think it’s projection.

46 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:31:41am

Ann Althouse praises Buchanan…
“WHITE AMERICANS DO NOT REALIZE HOW BLACK THEY ARE.”

“Traditional Americans are losing their nation,” says Buchanan, channeling the discontent of those people who, Obama once said, “get bitter [and] cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” Buchanan not only includes the “bitter clingers” quote in the column: he enacts it.

Sullivan is mainly out to discredit the notion that “traditional Americans” are white Americans. Would that matter to Buchanan? I doubt it. He’s speaking of the political issues of the day, describing the views of a demographic group, and rejecting the idea that their attitude arises from racial animosity.

Instapundit sez…

“WHITE AMERICANS DO NOT REALIZE HOW BLACK THEY ARE.” Well, possibly. I mean, unless they’ve heard of Elvis, or Rock ‘n’ Roll, or something. Or unless “Pat Buchanan” and “White Americans” are identity sets. Which to a certain class of know-nothing they may seem.

I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #45 Sharmuta

I liked this part:

Always with the spoon feeding. And they want to call Charles the baby? I think it’s projection.


You can lead a horse to water… but it seems all these horses are jackasses.

48 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:32:30am

re: #42 ryannon

I heard that.

You’ll be keeping company with Kilgore in Hell!!

(Signed),

GOD.

Well, to paraphrase Christopher Hitchens point on the afterlife when he appeared on a Christian fundamentalist’s radio show, the Christian concept of heaven would actually be hell to me.

So if that’s the case, and I’m wrong, my hell therefore is the heaven Christians go to, and I win in the sense I got into heaven in a manner most offensive to Christians.

49 lurking faith  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:33:12am

re: #29 enoughalready

I am amazed that people can find it in themselves to insult and threaten their host, and still consider themselves good people.

50 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:34:03am

re: #48 metrolibertarian

In heaven your happiness is complete, so you can imagine what I would get.

Can’t describe it all here though.

51 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #49 lurking faith

I am amazed that people can find it in themselves to insult and threaten their host, and still consider themselves good people.

Oh, in their minds, they were being their ‘brother’s keeper’…

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:34:40am

Any sort of music that is syncopated or containes blue notes is black music. Even a lot of what they call “mainstream country”.

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:35:30am

except yodeling, that’s white…

54 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:36:03am

re: #53 ralphieboy

Bach is white.

55 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:37:41am

Food time for me. Bye all.

56 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:37:41am

re: #43 jaunte

Barrett Brown is a very talented writer.

To which there are witnesses.

57 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #54 Ojoe

Bach is white.

Not always.

58 lurking faith  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:38:53am

re: #51 Oh no…Sand People!

Oh, in their minds, they were being their ‘brother’s keeper’…

Oh, I know. But it’s so very far from Jesus’ words and behavior.

Massive cognitive dissonance going on there.

59 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:38:59am

re: #52 ralphieboy

Wrong…

“Most books on Western music history trace first use of syncopation back to a time period referred to as Ars Nova (The New Art) in the 14th century! The difference, though, is that these early musicians used syncopations sparingly for special effects, whereas jazz musicians incorporate syncopation as a basic stylistic element in their music.”

[Link: www.lovemusiclovedance.com…]

Do you just make shit up all the time? Really

60 jaunte  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:42:33am

re: #56 Sharmuta

I might have to do an R.S.McCain cartoon. There’s just so much material.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:42:51am

I remember Steve martin in “The Jerk”, who was “raised as a poor black child in the south” and only discovers his white “roots” listening to Guy Lombardo on the radio…

I grew up a minority in Gary, Indiana. My mom was a poor widow who could not afford to flee to the suburbs with the other white families, so I grew up the only white kid on a block full of blacks and Latinos.

It left me with a great deal of respoect for those people and a great deal of contempt for those who are prejudiced against them as a group.

62 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:43:02am

I give him extra points for playing Oblivion.

63 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:43:40am
and at any rate I have no one with whom to argue in real life other than various girlfriends who are more interested in discussing my own deficiencies than those of Thomas Friedman.

Women!

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Ann Althouse praises Buchanan…
“WHITE AMERICANS DO NOT REALIZE HOW BLACK THEY ARE.”

I have disliked Ms. Althouse for a while now. A lizard here knows her, and says she’s nice, but I’ve heard that about RS McCain, too.

65 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:44:18am

re: #63 Sharmuta

Women!

By the way… morning…

66 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:45:52am

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Cool !

67 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:45:55am

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Much better example:

68 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:47:03am

re: #60 jaunte

I might have to do an R.S.McCain cartoon. There’s just so much material.

He and Esquire can have a nice chat about creationism.

69 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:47:21am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Good morning, Walter. Hope today finds you well.

70 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:47:22am

re: #64 wrenchwench

She’s obviously obfuscating for Buchanan. The stalker blog also praised that article too. There’s also a lot of support for the Oathkeepers at Hot Air these days. Lot’s of ugliness is being mainstreamed.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:49:42am

The Oafkeepers are using the Rush logic: “Obama hasn’t done anything unconstitutional yet, but we know he is going to, so we need to act pre-emptively”.

Scary.

72 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:51:35am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Much better example:


That one sounds nice, but I can’t watch it. Makes me carsick.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:52:19am

re: #24 Barrett Brown

No, sir, you are pretty darn funny!
Keep up the good work!

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Ann Althouse praises Buchanan…
“WHITE AMERICANS DO NOT REALIZE HOW BLACK THEY ARE.”


I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.

“Now, listen, lads. The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And the Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the North-siders are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud, Oi’m black and Oi’m proud.”

75 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:54:27am

re: #72 wrenchwench

It’s on MJQ’s “Blues on B.A.C.H” The album is mostly transcriptions.
(They had to reach into German notation to get the key of H.)

76 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:55:14am

Tea Partier Uses Army Email Address To Call For “Civil Disobedience”

A Tea Party activist today used a U.S. military email address to call for “civil disobedience” in opposition to the policies of the Obama administration.

In a message sent this morning to fellow members of the Tea Party Patriots, who had been discussing movement strategy, Richard A. Correa Sr., who identifies himself as a retired sergeant, wrote:

Civil disobedience is the next logical step.

Correa’s email, which was obtained by TPMmuckraker, was sent using a U.S. army address.

The email may in fact have been an effort to tone down the fervor among Tea Partiers. It appears to have been a response to a fellow activist, Carol Dietz, who, in her own email sent to the Tea Party group on Wednesday, had argued that the group needed to become more aggressive in its effort to resist the administration. Dietz compared the Tea Partiers to Jews in Nazi Germany, who, she said, “went like sheep quietly to their slaughter.”

“The jews KNEW that they were the target of Hitler—this didn’t happen over night, they had PLENTY of warning—and they didn’t DO anything,” Dietz wrote. “They went like sheep quietly to their slaughter—they did not fight.” Dietz concluded: “WE NEED A REVOLUTION.”

The rallying calls form Dietz and Correa seemed to inspire a third Tea Partier, Brian Bertha, who wrote:

I will not go quietly into the night I will stand and I will fight.
77 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #69 Sharmuta

Good morning, Walter. Hope today finds you well.

Sort of… 5 high school aged kid critters working on their Zombie makeup for a “Zombie Crawl” later tonight in Downtown Denver. It’s sort of a cross between Steal Magnolias and Night of the Living Dead around here right now.

I have to leave for work at the theatre in about an hour… thank goodness… help!!!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:57:04am

re: #54 Ojoe

Bach is white.

Beethoven, however, may have been part black.

/no idea if that’s true. Alexandre Dumas was!

79 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

That guy’s in deep shit. The military frowns on that sort of thing and they’ll have no trouble finding him.

80 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:57:51am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

Tea Partier Uses Army Email Address To Call For “Civil Disobedience”

They seem to feel the need to get “pre-emptive”, because they “know what Obama thinks” and are convinced he’s going to live up to their nighmare scenarios because he’s…well you know what he is…

81 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

“Now, listen, lads. The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And the Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the North-siders are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud, Oi’m black and Oi’m proud.”

John Lennon said something about women like this…

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:00:14am

re: #71 ralphieboy

The Oafkeepers are using the Rush logic: “Obama hasn’t done anything unconstitutional yet, but we know he is going to, so we need to act pre-emptively”.

Scary.

How are they taking the announcement this morning that he’s declaring a state of emergency re H1N1?

83 simoom  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:01:01am

Don’t you just love the smell of Hot Air revolutionaries in the morning? /

[Link: hotair.com…]

This has to end.

It appears that the time is soon coming where the determination will be made that the enemy from within is more of a danger than those that I am out here in Afghanistan dealing with…..

[Link: hotair.com…]

Semper Fi!

[Link: hotair.com…]

Election day, 2008 was far more devastating to our country than 9/11/01.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Profound and sad statement of truth.

[Link: hotair.com…]

The truth of that just made me groan inside.

[Link: hotair.com…]

No question about it. Then, we had enemies without. Now, fully within.

But soon they will hear from all of us.

[Link: hotair.com…]

I’m more convinced with every passing day that we’re beyond the point of relying on elections to fix the mess we’re in. This is going to have to get more direct, more serious, and probably violent in order to get things back the way they’re supposed to be.

We simply can’t allow this kind of congressional bullsh1t and ruination of the country to continue.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Luckily, the Founding Fathers thought of the solution…Second Amendment!

[Link: hotair.com…]

I hate to keep going back to this same phrase, but I can’t think of anything else in cases like these…

I say we take off and nuke the entire (DC) site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Regardless, the Waters amendment is a Trojan Horse that will allow the oversight board to be manned by 5 boot licking socialist comrades of Obama. F!ck the Comrade in Chief!

[Link: hotair.com…]

I have no doubt when push comes to shove that Obama and his fellow communists will start using force and jailing people, shutting down free speech and the press. They’re already setting the right up for this by labeling us terrorists, unAmerican, Nazi’s and of course … racists.

They couldn’t care less if they have to jail or kill us to get their way. This is who they are … power, money and control is what they want and we stand in the way.

84 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:01:22am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding for the hardest working band in Dublin.

85 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:02:02am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

“Now, listen, lads. The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And the Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the North-siders are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud, Oi’m black and Oi’m proud.”

Great movie. I just watched it last week.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:04:04am

From Martin Scorcese’s “The Gangs of New York”:

“First the n*ggers came and started doing the work for a dime that a white man used to get paid a quarter for. Now the Irish are coming and doing that work for a nickel…”

87 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:04:23am
“The jews KNEW that they were the target of Hitler—this didn’t happen over night, they had PLENTY of warning—and they didn’t DO anything,” Dietz wrote. “They went like sheep quietly to their slaughter—they did not fight.” Dietz concluded: “WE NEED A REVOLUTION.”

Judging by the tone of this woman’s comments, it’s almost as if there is an assertion that the Jews are partially to blame for being slaughtered.

I mean unless she preceded the quoted comments with “I’d look like a really dumb bitch if I was to say…” or something along those lines.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #87 metrolibertarian

Judging by the tone of this woman’s comments, it’s almost as if there is an assertion that the Jews are partially to blame for being slaughtered.

I mean unless she preceded the quoted comments with “I’d look like a really dumb bitch if I was to say…” or something along those lines.

It’s a classic, though. The favorite form is to fantasize about what would have happened if the Jews had had guns and ‘took to the hills’, as the speaker plans to.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a classic, though. The favorite form is to fantasize about what would have happened if the Jews had had guns and ‘took to the hills’, as the speaker plans to.

‘Sheep to the slaughter’ is a very common line. She’s parroting something she’s heard before.

90 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:07:00am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a classic, though. The favorite form is to fantasize about what would have happened if the Jews had had guns and ‘took to the hills’, as the speaker plans to.

Some did—mixed results.

91 Locker  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:07:40am

Many thanks to Mr. Brown for having Charles’ back. Good looking out sir.

92 webevintage  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:09:22am

I’m more convinced with every passing day that we’re beyond the point of relying on elections to fix the mess we’re in.

Translation:
Its the fault of women, gays and blacks. Only me and my “brothers in arms” really know what is best for America. Them Founding Fathers had the right idea of only allowing white land owners voting rights. We’ll just force the rest of the country to see things the way we do.
Semper Fi!!!111!!!
///

wow.
and you just know that “semper fi” comes from a dude who avoided the draft or did not join up after 9/11 because he has asthma or did not want to loose his scholarship, but he loves him some war…as long as other people fight it.

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:10:57am

Elections are fine as long as your side wins…

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:11:46am

“Actual cartoon character Pamela Geller”…

heh.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:12:29am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Some did—mixed results.

Some did. Mixed results.

96 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #83 simoom

They were on good behavior for a while last week but they’re really blown a gasket. Pretty much every thread turns into talk of violent revolution against the government. Insanity.

97 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:12:51am

Uh Oh—

My wife is coming. Got to switch the screen back to porn sites.

98 webevintage  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a classic, though. The favorite form is to fantasize about what would have happened if the Jews had had guns and ‘took to the hills’, as the speaker plans to.

WOOLVERINES!!!111!!!
I think some folks have just watched Red Dawn one too many times…

99 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:13:10am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

And that’s the measure of sanity regarding Charles: The conservatives who haven’t flounced are the ones who’ve been able to accept that Charles isn’t “one of us” (a term I us with my father to describe fellow conservatives), but is still a fierce anti-totalitarian and a very astute observer. It too me some time to fully understand that, but I’m glad I did. Much of the GOP has left me, but I’ve still got a place to try to figure out a sane, modern, conservatism and for that, I thank Charles frequently.

You know, DF, I have a ton of respect for you.
I have not been here that long, but long enough to see the exodus of long time and multi thousand posters here on LGF. It’s really a shame.
Some flounced and some just went away.
I think it had a lot to do with ODS, more so than Anti Christian backlash, it was the fact that while many think Obama may selling us down the river, this place did not turn into an Obama bashing site 24/7.
And that is, apparently Heresy to many.
When I first registered I was (and still am, actually) in awe of posters with over 20,000 posts, and “karma” of 10,000 or more.
It really bothers me that so many early posters here, who spent so much time and energy posting here, fundamentally misunderstood the goal of this site.
And while I disagreed with many of the positions put forth by them, I do miss them.
I wish the ones who haven’t burned bridges would reconsider… because in the end, it’s about fighting the craziness from wherever it comes, and it takes a lot more work to look inward than project outward.

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:14:23am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Committments ding.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:17:31am

re: #99 doubter4444

DF frickin’ rocks. As does Charles.

102 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:18:32am

re: #83 simoom

Have you noticed any evidence of Ed or AP telling commenters to tone down the armed revolt talk? I haven’t seen any attempt to moderate the discussions of killing fellow Americans to overthrow our democratically elected government.

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #99 doubter4444

Life lesson…

You can only completely burn a bridge once.

104 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:24:24am

re: #99 doubter4444

It really bothers me that so many early posters here, who spent so much time and energy posting here, fundamentally misunderstood the goal of this site.
And while I disagreed with many of the positions put forth by them, I do miss them.

I think an awful lot of those folks never gave a thought to “the goal of this site”. It was a social place for them. It became uncomfortable when they had to think about long-held positions, or consider that one of their idols may have fed them misinformation, or defend a remark that would have earned them cheers at other sites.

I wish the ones who haven’t burned bridges would reconsider… because in the end, it’s about fighting the craziness from wherever it comes, and it takes a lot more work to look inward than project outward.

The ones who were willing to do that work are still here.

105 simoom  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:29:59am

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Have you noticed any evidence of Ed or AP telling commenters to tone down the armed revolt talk? I haven’t seen any attempt to moderate the discussions of killing fellow Americans to overthrow our democratically elected government.

Not once, but my forays into hot air are hardly exhaustive.

Typically what I do is a few Google site searches, with it set to have a 24-hour search window, for certain words and phrases (like: wookie, klingon, ghetto, “civil war”, racist, mccarthy, etc). Invariably the first thread I pop into from a successful search is crazy enough that I often have space issues when preparing the LGF comment excerpting it. But it’s usually only that one thread I browse, so I only am seeing a tiny fraction of what’s being posted to the site.

What it does show though, is that either Hot Air commenters aren’t reporting the violent coup posts (and the other assorted nuttiness), or that the moderators are ignoring such reports.

106 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:31:10am

Prior to this I hadn’t heard of Barrett Brown, and I now realize I’ve been missing out on some very witty and intelligent writing.

I’ve now bookmarked him. Thanks for the posting, Charles!

107 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:32:29am

re: #99 doubter4444

You know, DF, I have a ton of respect for you.
I have not been here that long, but long enough to see the exodus of long time and multi thousand posters here on LGF. It’s really a shame.
Some flounced and some just went away.
I think it had a lot to do with ODS, more so than Anti Christian backlash, it was the fact that while many think Obama may selling us down the river, this place did not turn into an Obama bashing site 24/7.
And that is, apparently Heresy to many.
When I first registered I was (and still am, actually) in awe of posters with over 20,000 posts, and “karma” of 10,000 or more.
It really bothers me that so many early posters here, who spent so much time and energy posting here, fundamentally misunderstood the goal of this site.
And while I disagreed with many of the positions put forth by them, I do miss them.
I wish the ones who haven’t burned bridges would reconsider… because in the end, it’s about fighting the craziness from wherever it comes, and it takes a lot more work to look inward than project outward.

There are some I miss, too, but on the other hand, there are newer folks such as yourself who have been a pleasure to “get to know”.

It does take more work (and pain) to look inward - and some folks were just not patient enough.

108 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:32:59am
I shall send the reader to go take a gander at them in a moment, as the whole exchange is wonderfully illustrative of the mentality of those who have defended McCain and accuse his attackers of libel without even bothering to look at the evidence being presented.

I think I see the problem here. Mr Brown tried using empirical evidence in this argument. It shouldn’t be too surprising that people who can ignore a mountain of evidence supporting evolution could ignore the internet in another topic as a means to ignore similar empirical evidence.

There is an entire faction of these people- from Rush’s race baiting, to evolution, to history, to stacy mccain, to vlaams belang, to robert spencer. The list goes on and on as to the list of issues where presented evidence was ignored. Reality rejectors.

109 swamprat  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:37:37am

re: #108 Sharmuta


There is an entire faction of these people- from Rush’s race baiting, to evolution, to history, to stacy mccain, to vlaams belang, to robert spencer. The list goes on and on as to the list of issues where presented evidence was ignored. Reality rejectors.

It is amazing that when Charles points out, and objects to, racism, it is he that is considered at fault.

110 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:38:00am

The glaciers are slowly melting.

111 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #104 wrenchwench

I think an awful lot of those folks never gave a thought to “the goal of this site”. It was a social place for them. It became uncomfortable when they had to think about long-held positions, or consider that one of their idols may have fed them misinformation, or defend a remark that would have earned them cheers at other sites.


The ones who were willing to do that work are still here.

Agreed.

112 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:38:32am

re: #109 swamprat

It is amazing that when Charles points out, and objects to, racism, it is he that is considered at fault.

yes, amazing, isn’t it?

113 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:38:43am

re: #104 wrenchwench

Snip: I think an awful lot of those folks never gave a thought to “the goal of this site”. It was a social place for them. It became uncomfortable when they had to think about long-held positions, or consider that one of their idols may have fed them misinformation, or defend a remark that would have earned them cheers at other sites.

True, I and I enjoy the social aspect of this site, too.
As far as defending their comments, it’s so strange, because the it’s not like they were shouted down, and this place is hardly DU (despite what the stlaker blogs say), so the easily brused egos are a bit of a dissapointment.

I wish the ones who haven’t burned bridges would reconsider… because in the end, it’s about fighting the craziness from wherever it comes, and it takes a lot more work to look inward than project outward.

The ones who were willing to do that work are still here.

They are, and I’m glad.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #108 Sharmuta

“I reject your reality and substitute one of my own.”
Mythbusters

115 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

The glaciers are slowly melting.

The little rivulets tumble down the side of the mountains.

116 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:42:50am

I miss the contributions of some of those who have flounced, but maybe I’m too hard-hearted to let myself miss them. I was pissed at some of them. When callahan appeared elsewhere, I went to his last post of “I love you all—mostly” and dinged it down. Then I felt better.

117 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:43:18am

OT: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency
So this is how the Obama administration handles emergencies?

Because of vaccine production delays, the government has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor’s offices and other providers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said.

The government now hopes to have about 50 million doses of swine flu vaccine out by mid-November and 150 million in December.

118 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:44:33am

re: #99 doubter4444

It really bothers me that so many early posters here, who spent so much time and energy posting here, fundamentally misunderstood the goal of this site.

Not just this site, but our host as well. I’ve sat and watched over the course of many years as a number of people would compliment Charles for a variety of things, only to turn around and say the worst sorts of things about his character behind his back- in the Lizard Lounge, or in emails, other blogs… They never had respect for him privately, although what they showed him and the rest of LGF was quite the opposite, and they did this for years. They wanted to be at the best party, even if they thought little of the host. With friends like that…

119 Athens Runaway  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:44:35am

re: #117 bosforus

OT: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency
So this is how the Obama administration handles emergencies?

You see, he inherited this problem, and…

//

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:45:01am

re: #117 bosforus

I don’t know what they’re supposed to do.

121 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:45:19am

So I will expect to hear two lines of ranting directed against Obama:

The Swine Flue Vaccine is dangerous

There is not enough of it to go around

122 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #116 wrenchwench

I miss the contributions of some of those who have flounced, but maybe I’m too hard-hearted to let myself miss them. I was pissed at some of them. When callahan appeared elsewhere, I went to his last post of “I love you all—mostly” and dinged it down. Then I felt better.

Yes, that’s a better way of saying what I meant.

I’m still pissed at some of ‘em.
Particularly if I happen to see what they are writing elsewhere.

123 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:45:41am

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don’t know what they’re supposed to do.

Get more people working on it.

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:46:00am

re: #98 webevintage

WOOLVERINES!!!111!!!
I think some folks have just watched Red Dawn one too many times…

That was such a truly hideous piece of dreck.


Thing is, most of these militia idiots have no clue what would be involved in such an insurrection. They have no opsec, minimal training, no heavy weapons or explosives (or believe that the various “black books” on the internet are accurate … ) certainly don’t realize how necessary cell structures are for their organization, … ah, I could go on but you all probably understand better than they do.

The good news is that you know the Oathbreakers & the rest are already infiltrated and probably at a fairly high level.

William

125 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:46:17am

It is in the production stage isn’t it?

126 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:46:27am

re: #115 Spare O’Lake

The little rivulets tumble down the side of the mountains.

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

The glaciers are slowly melting.

Adios, nieges d’antan.

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:46:29am

re: #121 ralphieboy

Dear America:

Shit happens. Calm down.

Fondly;
FBV

128 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #117 bosforus

OT: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency
So this is how the Obama administration handles emergencies?

By the time they get the vaccine out, many outbreaks will be winding down on their own.

129 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #107 reine.de.tout

There are some I miss, too, but on the other hand, there are newer folks such as yourself who have been a pleasure to “get to know”.

It does take more work (and pain) to look inward - and some folks were just not patient enough.

Thanks!
But lord above I look at some of my early posts and cringe!
I’ve been rude and gotten whacked before, but you live and learn, and I appreciate the patience many on the board have shown.

There was an interesting article the other day in the WaPo, I think (I’ll try to dig up the link) that was about how posting was actually making people’s writing sharper (in the article it’s about wit and sharper snark), and I do think making arguments knowing there will be a rebuttal makes ones’ thinking sharper, so it’s ironic that so many long-timers left as soon as there was push back.

130 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

You were polite. Seriously, I would have told him that someone like him was getting close to loosing his teeth, then showed him the door.

My wife would disapprove. I tend to trust her judgement in these things.

131 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:47:46am

re: #128 reine.de.tout

By the time they get the vaccine out, many outbreaks will be winding down on their own.

Hopefully that will be the case.

132 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:47:48am

re: #119 Athens Runaway

You see, he inherited this problem, and…

//

“Because of vaccine production delays, the government has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor’s offices and other providers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said.”

I have been keeping close track of this story this week. They don’t even know how much H1N1 vaccine is out there. I read, in the last two days 11, 12, 13 and 16 million doses.

Pick a number, any number…

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:48:01am

re: #124 wlewisiii

That was such a truly hideous piece of dreck.


“Whatchoo talkin’ about, Willis?”

134 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:48:15am

re: #123 bosforus

Get more people working on it.

It’s the time needed to produce the vaccine - not the number of people working on it. That vaccine takes awhile to produce.

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:48:30am

First old Lady: “Did you try the food at the wedding?”
Second Old Lady: “Yes, it was awful! Every mouthful pure poison! Poison!”
First old Lady: “Yes, and the portions were so small”

-Woody Allen
“Annie Hall”

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #134 reine.de.tout

Oh. Hiya Toots!

137 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:01am

re: #128 reine.de.tout

By the time they get the vaccine out, many outbreaks will be winding down on their own.

Really, as far as I am reading, the peak won’t be until December. Than again, I really have not read two stories in a row about either the amount of doses or just general information about H1N1 that state the same fact twice.

It’s a major fail all round.

138 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #130 enoughalready

My wife would disapprove. I tend to trust her judgement in these things.

She has to work with the guy’s wife, right?

139 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:26am

re: #129 doubter4444

Thanks!
But lord above I look at some of my early posts and cringe!
I’ve been rude and gotten whacked before, but you live and learn, and I appreciate the patience many on the board have shown.

There was an interesting article the other day in the WaPo, I think (I’ll try to dig up the link) that was about how posting was actually making people’s writing sharper (in the article it’s about wit and sharper snark), and I do think making arguments knowing there will be a rebuttal makes ones’ thinking sharper, so it’s ironic that so many long-timers left as soon as there was push back.

YES!
I’ve often thought (and said) that being here helps me get the knowledge I need to clarify and refine my own thoughts and opinions, so it’s absolutely true that one’s thinking becomes sharper and more focused.

140 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. Hiya Toots!

Hiya, FBV.
Hope you’re doing well!

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:43am

re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Whatchoo talkin’ about, Willis?”


At the time that “Red Dawn” came out, the Soviet Army was not in a position to occupy Afghanistan, much less take on the USA…

It was more of a throwback to the 1950’s paranoia.

142 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #134 reine.de.tout

Agreed —

In explaining the vaccine delay, Dr. Nicole Lurie, assistant secretary for preparedness and response with the federal government’s Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, said in a statement: “We have said from the start that flu is unpredictable, and so is the production of flu vaccine. Production of the vaccine is taking longer than manufacturers expected because of the time it takes to grow the antigen for the vaccine. There is nothing that can be done to speed that process, because it’s important for the vaccine to be as effective as possible and follow all the safety protocols.”
143 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:51:35am

I just posted this in the spinoffs. Obama has thrown the Iranian democracy movement under the bus.

Denying the Green Revolution

The State Department cuts off funding to support Iran’s democrats.
144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #141 ralphieboy

That is why it was considered “fiction”. Some movies take liberties with reality. Kind of like Michael Moore.

145 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:52:00am

re: #134 reine.de.tout

It’s the time needed to produce the vaccine - not the number of people working on it. That vaccine takes awhile to produce.

Then why did they predict that there would be 120 million doses available by now. Sure, you can be off a bit in production projections, but off by up to 90 percent.

Bullshit.

146 enoughalready  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #138 wrenchwench

She has to work with the guy’s wife, right?

Correct

147 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:52:42am

re: #93 ralphieboy

Elections are fine as long as your side wins…

I made this one after Chuck Norris ‘selflessly’ offered on WND to be president of Texas after it seceded from the rest of the country…

Image: poster93821840.jpg

148 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:53:15am

re: #142 insert name here

Agreed —

So what’s the time line here? Maybe I’m just not putting some pieces together correctly. Was the announcement of the expected 120 million vaccinations made before they knew how long it took to make it? I doubt it. They said it for the sake of saying it it seems.

149 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:55:05am

Which I guess is no surprise.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:55:15am

re: #147 ausador

I made this one after Chuck Norris ‘selflessly’ offered on WND to be president of Texas after it seceded from the rest of the country…

[Link: i603.photobucket.com…]

Or you can do as ireland did with the EU treaty ratification referendum: just re-run the election until the country gets it “right”. (They approved it on the second pass after they realized that they would be seriously up a crekk without continued EU subsidies)

But these nutbags are already acting as if Obama had already seized power by a coup and using that thinking to justify their “countermeasures”.

It is scary.

151 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:56:13am

re: #150 ralphieboy

Or you can do as ireland did with the EU treaty ratification referendum: just re-run the election until the country gets it “right”. (They approved it on the second pass after they realized that they would be seriously up a crekk without continued EU subsidies)

But these nutbags are already acting as if Obama had already seized power by a coup and using that thinking to justify their “countermeasures”.

It is scary.

Boo… hyperbole.

152 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #148 bosforus

So what’s the time line here? Maybe I’m just not putting some pieces together correctly. Was the announcement of the expected 120 million vaccinations made before they knew how long it took to make it? I doubt it. They said it for the sake of saying it it seems.


My understanding is that the manufacturers based their delivery schedule upon the production schedules of previous flu vaccinations, but that they ran into problems with this one — if I recall correctly, they’re either getting fewer vaccinations-per-egg, or it’s taking longer. An internet search ought to reveal which is correct.

153 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:56:54am

re: #129 doubter4444

Thanks!
But lord above I look at some of my early posts and cringe!
I’ve been rude and gotten whacked before, but you live and learn, and I appreciate the patience many on the board have shown.

. .. .

btw -
I would add …
Thanks to our host and his commitment to making this blog the very best it can be, LGF is, I think, unique (at least among the blogs I’ve seen) in having folks here who are most likely to actually discuss a point, rather than simply throw out snarky comments and insults.

I’ve so often been humbled by the information and the sheer intelligence of so many here, and the reason they are here, imo, is because LGF is the place where voices can be heard, not just shouted at or shouted down.

154 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 11:57:01am

re: #123 bosforus

Get more people working on it.

Perhaps from Churchill:

A crash program is based on the theory that 9 women can
produce a baby in one month.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:00:40pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Boo… hyperbole.


They are the ones engaging in hyperbole that Obama threatens the Constitution and democracy in this country.

All he threatens is to change a few aspects of it and even at that, he is slow in delivering…

156 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:01:48pm

re: #155 ralphieboy

They are the ones engaging in hyperbole that Obama threatens the Constitution and democracy in this country.

All he threatens is to change a few aspects of it and even at that, he is slow in delivering…

And you think they are going to accomplish something? You think that they are going to take over the US? Oh come on… like I say… boo.

157 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Perhaps from Churchill:

A crash program is based on the theory that 9 women can
produce a baby in one month.

Not exactly the same comparison. If it takes 9 months to make a baby I’m not going to tell people to expect one in 7.

158 swamprat  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #155 ralphieboy

They are brothers to the idiots who said Bush would not allow elections.

159 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:02:30pm

re: #152 insert name here

An internet search ought to reveal which is correct


Good point. In the process…

160 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

btw -
I would add …
Thanks to our host and his commitment to making this blog the very best it can be, LGF is, I think, unique (at least among the blogs I’ve seen) in having folks here who are most likely to actually discuss a point, rather than simply throw out snarky comments and insults.

I’ve so often been humbled by the information and the sheer intelligence of so many here, and the reason they are here, imo, is because LGF is the place where voices can be heard, not just shouted at or shouted down.

Absolutely right.
But damn, that makes it addicting! (I say as my wife is yelling at me to get of the computer on a beautiful So Cal day)

161 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #159 bosforus

Good point. In the process…

I think I heard it on NPR sometime during the last week, but I’ll take a look around the internet, too…

162 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #160 doubter4444

Absolutely right.
But damn, that makes it addicting! (I say as my wife is yelling at me to get of the computer on a beautiful So Cal day)

Where did you meet my wife? Does she get frequent flier miles?

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:05:11pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

And you think they are going to accomplish something? You think that they are going to take over the US? Oh come on… like I say… boo.


They are calling for Civil Dispobedience when Obama has done nothing even vaguely resembling the sort of “High Crimes and Misemeanors” that would justify such actions.

But they seem convinced that he is going to and prepared to act as soon as they perceive anything that fits their preconceived notions.

164 webevintage  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:06:21pm

re: #148 bosforus

So what’s the time line here? Maybe I’m just not putting some pieces together correctly. Was the announcement of the expected 120 million vaccinations made before they knew how long it took to make it? I doubt it. They said it for the sake of saying it it seems.

I don’t believe that. My feeling is they repeated what the CDC was told by the vaccines producers who may have been overly optimistic about their own abilities.
Should the CDC have taken the time to investigate the companies actual ability to live up to their claims.
Probably.
New admin, not enough people in charge yet, idiots…could be any of those things.
But in the end folks who do not like President Obama will use this as a way to prove he cannot manage things and “OMG, if they can’t do this how can we trust them with our health care”…blah, blah, blah.

BUT I will predict that on Monday Beck, Rush and then Malkin will all be screaming that the lack of enough vaccinations and maybe even HINI itself was created by Herr Obmama so he can declare an emergancy and take all our guns.
Or some stupid shit like that.

165 shiplord kirel  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:06:53pm

I think I mentioned before that I had argued with a friend who had bought into antivax conspiracies to such an extent that he would not even get the seasonal flu vaccine. The exchange actually got pretty heated at times.
Well, in the kind of bitter irony that would make poor fiction but which sometimes happens in real life, he is down with the flu right now. Worse, his 10 year old son has it too.
I would really, really rather not have been proven right this time.

166 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07:01pm

re: #161 insert name here

I think I heard it on NPR sometime during the last week, but I’ll take a look around the internet, too…

Found it.
[Link: www.npr.org…]
Thanks for the help.
*removing tin foil hat now*

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07:45pm

re: #164 webevintage

I don’t believe that. My feeling is they repeated what the CDC was told by the vaccines producers who may have been overly optimistic about their own abilities.
Should the CDC have taken the time to investigate the companies actual ability to live up to their claims.
Probably.
New admin, not enough people in charge yet, idiots…could be any of those things.
But in the end folks who do not like President Obama will use this as a way to prove he cannot manage things and “OMG, if they can’t do this how can we trust them with our health care”…blah, blah, blah.

BUT I will predict that on Monday Beck, Rush and then Malkin will all be screaming that the lack of enough vaccinations and maybe even HINI itself was created by Herr Obmama so he can declare an emergancy and take all our guns.
Or some stupid shit like that.

Rush has already come perilously close to that, with his ramblings about how we just happened to have a big, scary flu outbreak that just happened to happen around the time Obama is trying to pass healthcare reform…

168 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Then why did they predict that there would be 120 million doses available by now. Sure, you can be off a bit in production projections, but off by up to 90 percent.

Bullshit.

Walter, I don’t know.
I’m sure they came up with the first dates by estimating how long the vaccine production would take; but then discovered the vaccine production simply took longer than originally estimated. That happens.

There are only “x” number of manufacturers. And they had to finish making the regular seasonal flu vaccine before they could start on this one. Which is why, now, supplies of seasonal flu vaccine are gone, and can’t be replenished because they are working on the h1n1 vaccine.

I’m just staying as close to home as I can. Shopping via internet rather than going to the mall. In fact, I declined a job because I didn’t want the exposure. I avoid touching my face or eyes, and I keep my hands washed (yes it works). And pray that I don’t get it and the outbreak falls off soon. It’s been widespread here for 7 weeks now. But according to the State DHH, that means only about 1200 cases in the state.

169 simoom  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:09:02pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Then why did they predict that there would be 120 million doses available by now. Sure, you can be off a bit in production projections, but off by up to 90 percent.

Bullshit.

They contracted for 195 million does by the end of the year to multiple pharma companies (AstraZeneca, CSL, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, Sanofi-Aventis). Many of these producers recently let the government know production was proceeding much more slowly than anticipated and they weren’t going to make their contract targets on time.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

“Initially all the companies had problems with the low yields of vaccine from the eggs,” Lurie said. “One company was particularly slow to turn around that problem. Then they thought they fixed it and again they were overly optimistic.”

Another company that Lurie declined to name introduced new production lines for vaccine, and then overestimated how fast it could deliver, she said.

“Some of the manufacturers never fully appreciated the impact of these delays,” Lurie said. “They are shocked by the havoc this can raise with the public and I think they will be a lot more conservative from now on.”

170 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #166 bosforus

Still seems odd that they’d put out an expected number of vaccinations that has turned out to be grossly inaccurate. Que sera, sera.

171 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:11:41pm

re: #166 bosforus

Found it.
[Link: www.npr.org…]
Thanks for the help.
*removing tin foil hat now*

Thanks, Bosforus, I couldn’t find it. Glad you did!

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:14:38pm

I’m reading the school dance dress code requirements. I especially like that they cannot wear:

Clothing displaying violence, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, racial discrimination, gang affiliation, sexually implicit or explicit message or non-Christian values.

173 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #170 bosforus

Still seems odd that they’d put out an expected number of vaccinations that has turned out to be grossly inaccurate. Que sera, sera.

And when I say odd, I do not mean suspicious. ;)

174 shiplord kirel  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:14:57pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

At the time that “Red Dawn” came out, the Soviet Army was not in a position to occupy Afghanistan, much less take on the USA…

It was more of a throwback to the 1950’s paranoia.

Ludicrous premise aside, it did have its moments. My fellow West Texan Powers Boothe was great as the downed F-15 pilot. The scene with the Soviet soldiers analyzing an obviously modern arrow was high comedy.
One soldier applies a fractured version of an orthodox Soviet interpretation, while his buddies remain skeptical:
“…President Theodore Roosevelt leading imperialist armies and cowboys”
“…Federalist cossacks”
“…did these Indians also work in plastic?”

175 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m reading the school dance dress code requirements. I especially like that they cannot wear:

Clothing displaying violence, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, racial discrimination, gang affiliation, sexually implicit or explicit message or non-Christian values.

Private school?

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:17:47pm

Would Koran verses be banned as “non-Christian”?

177 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:19:51pm

re: #176 ralphieboy

Would Koran verses be banned as “non-Christian”?

You mean like “Don’t fuck your wife until she turns nine”?

178 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #173 bosforus

And when I say odd, I do not mean suspicious. ;)

It might be attributable to the steepness of the production ramp-up curve — if there’s been any delay to the production schedule, the more whacky the delta in projected-versus-actual numbers can look, especially, if in this case (as I suspect), the curve has a steep slope.

Having been involved in a number of new-product launches, I can tell you — sh*t happens!

179 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:22:50pm

re: #177 Spare O’Lake

You mean like “Don’t fuck your wife until she turns nine”?

That would be a two-fer.

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:23:55pm

re: #177 Spare O’Lake

You mean like “Don’t fuck your wife until she turns nine”?


I doesn’t even have to go that far, how about “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet?”

And let us not get going on Bible verses about owning slaves if they come from neighboring provinces, the abomination of homosexuality, burning witches or killing your enemies’ children…

Point is, they really oughhta just present of list of what clothing is acceptable in order to avoid these kinds of discussions

181 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:25:06pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m reading the school dance dress code requirements. I especially like that they cannot wear:

Clothing displaying violence, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, racial discrimination, gang affiliation, sexually implicit or explicit message or non-Christian values.

Surely there’s also something in there about not wearing clothing that is too revealing, etc.

I’ve had to have my daughter’s dresses altered to add a bit of fabric here and there to meet the “not too revealing”requirements. Not that I mind. But I know that’s in that dress code somewhere.

182 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
At my high school, run by Salesians, noted for some common sense, the dress code said: “extremes are to be avoided.”

That was it, I think.

(Though I think blue jeans were out ?)

(It was long ago.)

183 shiplord kirel  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:30:05pm

AAARRRGGHHH!

Or, as Barry Goldwater might (and sometimes did) say, “You’re shittin’ me!”

George Will praises Michelle Bachmann

The one-time successor to William F Buckley has turned out to be just another wingnut Kool-Aid drinker.

184 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:30:22pm

re: #152 insert name here

An MD friend of mine says they are getting only 3 doses per inoculated egg, and that’s just a peculiarity of this particular virus.

Welcome to the real world.

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:30:22pm

Point is, you either have a school uniform and a list of what is acceptable, or you have to allow subjective decisions about what is allowed and what isn’t.

186 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:34:39pm

re: #185 ralphieboy

Point is, you either have a school uniform and a list of what is acceptable, or you have to allow subjective decisions about what is allowed and what isn’t.

Actually, I could have sworn that your point was to take a swipe at the “non-Christian values” prohibition.

/Thanks for clarifying./

187 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:34:49pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

btw -
I would add …
Thanks to our host and his commitment to making this blog the very best it can be, LGF is, I think, unique (at least among the blogs I’ve seen) in having folks here who are most likely to actually discuss a point, rather than simply throw out snarky comments and insults.

I’ve so often been humbled by the information and the sheer intelligence of so many here, and the reason they are here, imo, is because LGF is the place where voices can be heard, not just shouted at or shouted down.

Amen, preach it brother!
(or possibly not, depending on your religious preferences or lack thereof and whether or not you consider the above to be ethnically charged language.)

/Who says I can’t be P.C. ?

188 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #184 Ojoe

An MD friend of mine says they are getting only 3 doses per inoculated egg, and that’s just a peculiarity of this particular virus.

Welcome to the real world.

Thanks for the info, Ojoe!

189 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:35:48pm

re: #186 Spare O’Lake

Actually, I could have sworn that your point was to take a swipe at the “non-Christian values” prohibition.

/Thanks for clarifying./

And given that this is, I believe, a Catholic school (and Catholics are indeed Christians), then the prohibition against “non-Christian values” isn’t unexpected.

190 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:36:15pm

re: #188 insert name here

You are welcome.

BBL …

191 swamprat  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #182 Ojoe

At my high school, run by Salesians, noted for some common sense, the dress code said: “extremes are to be avoided.”

That was it, I think.

(Though I think blue jeans were out ?)

(It was long ago.)

Salesians must, of course, be greeks;
“Moderation in all things”
I have never sacrificed to Athena; must have been interesting.

…This from a guy who had to sing the french national anthem at a school that that had one of the halls named after the frendship between the founder and Jean Lafitte.

192 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:37:09pm

re: #181 reine.de.tout

Surely there’s also something in there about not wearing clothing that is too revealing, etc.

I’ve had to have my daughter’s dresses altered to add a bit of fabric here and there to meet the “not too revealing”requirements. Not that I mind. But I know that’s in that dress code somewhere.

Now THAT is funny!

193 aagcobb  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:37:19pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Boo… hyperbole.

I agree that these internet posters are posers. The problem is the extreme rhetoric only has to inspire a handful of activists to result in a Oklahoma City incident.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:37:21pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

And given that this is, I believe, a Catholic school (and Catholics are indeed Christians), then the prohibition against “non-Christian values” isn’t unexpected.

It being a Catholic school, then they can allow or ban whatever they like.

195 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #187 ausador

Amen, preach it brother!
(or possibly not, depending on your religious preferences or lack thereof and whether or not you consider the above to be ethnically charged language.)

/Who says I can’t be P.C. ?

heheh.
I’m actually a “brother” of the female persuasion (the French “reine” - for “queen” is supposed to be a clue).

196 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:39:06pm

re: #183 shiplord kirel

AAARRRGGHHH!

Or, as Barry Goldwater might (and sometimes did) say, “You’re shittin’ me!”

George Will praises Michelle Bachmann

The one-time successor to William F Buckley has turned out to be just another wingnut Kool-Aid drinker.

It’s time for Will to retire before he can do further damage to his legacy.

197 insert name here  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:39:32pm

re: #191 swamprat

…This from a guy who had to sing the french national anthem at a school that that had one of the halls named after the frendship between the founder and Jean Lafitte.

I’m curious — did you sing it in French (and understand the words), or as an English translation. It’s actually a bit gruesome, as lyrics go…

198 swamprat  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:43:49pm

re: #197 insert name here
In French- by rote. The Building was called “good friends”. The founder was Steven Girard, who never existed by that name until he got here. We don’t know who he was in France, but he is presumed to have been fleeing the French debtor laws.

199 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

heheh.
I’m actually a “brother” of the female persuasion (the French “reine” - for “queen” is supposed to be a clue).

Sorry, I guess my inherent misogynistic tendencies still need some work.

/

200 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:56:21pm

re: #183 shiplord kirel

AAARRRGGHHH!

Or, as Barry Goldwater might (and sometimes did) say, “You’re shittin’ me!”

George Will praises Michelle Bachmann

The one-time successor to William F Buckley has turned out to be just another wingnut Kool-Aid drinker.

Well she does have a great signing voice and pretty good rhythm…

201 [deleted]  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:58:03pm
202 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:08:07pm

re: #201 Splatt

Thanks for posting that. It reminded me to check your account with the correlator tool, and hey .. whaddayaknow! You had three accounts registered here under three different names, all registered on the same day.

Bye now. Go defend white supremacists somewhere else.

203 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #201 Splatt

As for whether “slavery is OK with me” — well, how do you
expect a wage-slave to answer such a question?
Slavery is slavery. Tyranny is tyranny. The Northern Radicals justified
tyranny to destroy chattel slavery. Yet once chattel slavery was
destroyed, tyranny lived on

You quote this as a defense of the guy? Srsly? You don’t see the issue with thinking a wager earner is the same as a slave, or how the government abolishing slavery isn’t the same as tyranny? Really?

204 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:13:13pm

One reason that the Civil War came about was because the level of public and political discourse on the topic of slavery sank to such a level that no further discourse was possible, the issue had to be resolved by force of arms.

Is this why I get such an uneasy feeling when I see the direction that public & political discourse is taking in this country?

205 swamprat  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:17:39pm

re: #201 troll

Well you are correct. That was an extremely weak defense of a person who has objected to racism only rarely, and has participated in it often and openly, and then has tried to hide it when under the spotlight. He not merely a racist; he is a coward about it.

Post was much longer, but I had to deleted the quoted parts of your post.

bye-bye troll

206 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #204 ralphieboy

Is this why I get such an uneasy feeling when I see the direction that public & political discourse is taking in this country?

It really is at times truly sickening. It’s not enough that the actual politics is often disturbing enough but the discourse is on its own level of revulsion.

207 bosforus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:20:50pm

The splatt had done the splatting.

208 KernelPanic  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:42:59pm

Ok I feel stupid here. I found the “original” cartoon but where the heck is a copy of the one that Barrett improved upon?

209 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:52:21pm

OT back to the Windows 7 thread a moment. Steven den Beste is blogging about his installation adventures, here, and scroll down.

210 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 1:57:29pm

re: #207 bosforus

The splatt had done the splatting.

It got splattered on the LGF windshield.

211 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 2:04:13pm

As much as Dembski has been soundly refuted by The Panda’s Thumb and other real scientists, this essay amounts to BB coming to the battlefield to shoot the wounded.

212 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 2:25:49pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Why do they think they are worth conspiring against?

213 MisterCookie  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 2:47:34pm

I take considerable umbrage with that article: Oblivion wasn’t that bad.
/

Otherwise, he delivers the smackdown to those racist bastards. I love his update at the end.

214 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 3:45:47pm

re: #208 KernelPanic

Ok I feel stupid here. I found the “original” cartoon but where the heck is a copy of the one that Barrett improved upon?

Image: CJCartoonImproved.jpg

215 zephirus  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 6:33:54pm

re: #24 Barrett Brown

Your post was one of the funniest things I’ve read in a long time.
Excellent indeed.

216 Flavia  Sat, Oct 24, 2009 9:39:56pm

re: #29 enoughalready

Apparently I will burn in hell, I should repent, renounce the devil inside me and find Jesus. He also told me he is in favor of people like me losing custody of their kids. At which point I politely showed him the door.

You certainly outlasted what would have been my patience. As soon as he hit the word “repent”, I would have told him just what I tell the Mormons & JW’s: “Take your bigotry & get out of my house.”

But, speaking of nutcases, I have only just discovered that a relative of mine is not only a Troofer, but insists that the moon landings were faked, too. I was so stunned that I couldn’t even say a word (The Hubby (tm), however, did start calmly refuting him - but to no avail). Is it possible that when a bi-polar/manic depressive doesn’t take his medication that thoughts like this can take root?

217 Yashmak  Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:24:45am

The reference to Geller as an “actual cartoon character” is great.

Good stuff Mr. Brown.


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