That was a great edit job. Especially the announcer at the end.

"I believe that the holocaust was really an enormous party where the Nazi's just did really what they had to do so what's the problem?"
Edits aside, that's just awful.

Excellent job!
It's probably just my inner juvenile delinquent coming out, but I love stuff like this.

This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.

re: #4 000G

You in Britain?

re: #5 bosforus

You in Britain?

Germany.

That was in 2000. Five years later Griffin again shared a platform with Duke (as did Simon Darby, Deputy Leader of the BNP), who he supposedly so opposes, at Duke’s ‘European American Unity and Rights Organization’ (EURO) conference.

Others speakers at the conference included:

Paul Fromm - Hitler fan and supporter of Holocaust denial
Michael Collins Piper - anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier
Kevin Alfred Strom - neo-Nazi activist (and now convicted paedophile)
Michele Renouf - fervent promoter of Holocaust denial

Did Gellar and Spencer know about that?

Masterful.

re: #7 MandyManners

Did Gellar and Spencer know about that?

Know about it? They probably have it on VHS.

re: #9 Bloodnok

Know about it? They probably have it on VHS.

*evil cackle*

Ah. Freedom of speech. You are free to say stupid things and we are free to make fun of you. Of course, that wouldn't be the case if people like Mr Griffin were in charge. Fun would then be rather extraordinarily redefined.

(I find it somewhat amusing that Mr Griffin looks a lot like a younger version - at least in my mind - of Roger Allam
Mr Allam: Image: allam.gif

Mr Griffin: Image: nickgriffin.jpg

Mr Allam played the role of Lewis Prothero in V for Vendetta, a mouthpiece for the fascist government.)

re: #10 MandyManners

*evil cackle*

Did you get your computer issues worked out, or did you have to go ahead and shoot it?

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Did you get your computer issues worked out, or did you have to go ahead and shoot it?

It still strarts slower than molasses but, it's quicker than it was.

Speaking of Teh Crazy - 0bama signed a declaration of national emergency because of the swine flu epidemic yesterday. How long before we start hearing renewed bleating about FEMA camps, citizen roundups and government takeover of businesses that will surely occur next?

re: #10 MandyManners

*evil cackle*

Gah! Don't make me associate you with Hillary Clinton in any way! It would ruin the mystique.

re: #14 SixDegrees

Stormfront and the Paulians are already on it.

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Stormfront and the Paulians are already on it.

Please tell me you're joking.

Oh, wait - Stormfront. You're not.

Check this out - this is the freak at 'jumpinginpools', posting a diary at Daily Kos, pretending to be a liberal. Shhh. I don't think he realizes how obvious it is.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Stormfront and the Paulians are already on it.

And I had another heart attack from complete unsurprise

re: #18 Charles

Heh, the koskidz gazed him. That one's already dropped off the recent diary list with no comments.

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Heh, the koskidz gazed him. That one's already dropped off the recent diary list with no comments.

However . . . the original blog claims to have support from "LGF 2.0" and "RS McCain". Wow. They've reached The Pinnacle.
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re: #15 Bloodnok

Gah! Don't make me associate you with Hillary Clinton in any way! It would ruin the mystique.

Image: bill2.jpg

re: #14 SixDegrees

Speaking of Teh Crazy - 0bama signed a declaration of national emergency because of the swine flu epidemic yesterday. How long before we start hearing renewed bleating about FEMA camps, citizen roundups and government takeover of businesses that will surely occur next?

There's defintely a conspiracy afoot. I still can't find out who got the geo-survey contracts for all those new FEMA camps, and I wasn't even invited to bid, dammit! It was probably some ACORN cell-leader who took freshman geology and almost passed.

The truth is out there, somewhere.

re: #22 MandyManners

[Link: www.premier.net...]

Ack! Heeheehee.

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

There's defintely a conspiracy afoot. I still can't find out who got the geo-survey contracts for all those new FEMA camps, and I wasn't even invited to bid, dammit! It was probably some ACORN cell-leader who took freshman geology and almost passed.

The truth is out there, somewhere.

I used to be a camp counselor. I wonder if they're hiring?

re: #21 reine.de.tout

Heh. The idiot thinks that's something to brag about.

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Excellent job!
It's probably just my inner juvenile delinquent coming out, but I love stuff like this.

Same here. It's a real hoot. Did you see the similarly edited video poking fun at Ben Stein's attempt at a movie, "Expelled"?

re: #25 SixDegrees

I used to be a camp counselor. I wonder if they're hiring?

I think you'd have to pass the usual background check:
"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Republican Party, the John Birch Society, or the Young Americans for Freedom?"

Good Afternoon Lizards! How is everyone today?
99 1/4 Hours till the NBA season starts... Hurry the hell up! This is worse than waiting for Santa Claus to show up on the roof...

Is it wrong to laugh at this? Yes, he edited Griffin's comments to say such nasty things, but you know he and the BNP really think "black people kissing in public is abhorrent" and "the holocaust was really a big enormous party".

Oh, and nobody has posted Lily Allen's screed to scumbags like him:

re: #27 John Neverbend

Same here. It's a real hoot. Did you see the similarly edited video poking fun at Ben Stein's attempt at a movie, "Expelled"?

I saw that, great stuff too.
Btw, I just recently learned that a Stein editorial was the inspiration for the paranoid mini-series Amerika back in the 80s.

Sooo... anyone looking forward to more wingnut shrieking over the declaring of H1N1 an emergency?

Nick Griffin lectures the KKK on how to sell white supremacy as democracy.

re: #32 Virginia Plain

Sooo... anyone looking forward to more wingnut shrieking over the declaring of H1N1 an emergency?

I'm expecting a shitstorm of Biblical dimensions over it. It's already started at the Fever Swamp, btw.

Is Mandy still here? Mandy, you gotta keep your Tennessee boys going. They're handling Alabama just fine so far.

re: #35 cliffster

Is Mandy still here? Mandy, you gotta keep your Tennessee boys going. They're handling Alabama just fine so far.

Score?

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Hmmm, if there is a serious outbreak the wingnuts are going to gleefully count the count the bodies as proof of Obama's failure. Much like the Kosdiz did with Katrina.

re: #36 MandyManners

Score?

6-3 Alabama. Bama's in the red zone though.

I was on the page of the "GOP Spent More Than a Million Dollars to Launch a Disastrous Website" post, and a google ad in the right sidebar said "Websites for Republicans". I clicked on it, and it took me to the site of NetBoots.net, which looked an awful lot like the GOP.com site, but I could not find a connection with Smartech Corporation. NetBoots is owned by TerraEclipse, which has a client list made up of Paulians, plus FreedomWorks.org, which is the Dick Armey/Steve Forbes tea party site. I looked at NetBoots' twitter thingy, and found this article: Will Budget Internet Organizing Save the GOP?

...Netboots is certainly looking for its chunk of Republican campaign cash, but like many politically-focused firms, they have a larger goal: improving the GOP’s standing on the internet. The bigger question facing Netboots and other bottom-dollar political tech firms is how far they go towards accomplishing that goal. ...

Later Eric Odom is quoted. His sites all look like the Terra Eclipse sites too.

In conclusion, I think the GOP.com website is a part of the Paulian campaign to take down or take over the GOP.

Please pass the tinfoil.

re: #37 Killgore Trout

and here they go...

How many were dead in the USA when our Sh*t-For-Brains President made that assinine statement?

How many dead now, months later? 1000? ONE THIRD OF THOSE WHO DIED ON 9-11??

Thanks "Mr. President."

re: #35 cliffster

Is Mandy still here? Mandy, you gotta keep your Tennessee boys going. They're handling Alabama just fine so far.

Bad news for the Vols...Bama's line is bigger and stronger.. It may be only 6-3 right now...But Tenn is going to have issues today..
In Basketball..( it's always about ball for me) The only way to beat a bigger stronger team is to be faster than they are...Same with football..Speed kills.

The BNP and the Online Fascist Network

On the day before two leading British National Party (BNP) members take their seats in the European Parliament, a new Centre for Social Cohesion report reveals that members and supporters of the BNP and its online activists display significant ideological affinity with key tenets of the neo-Nazi ideology. This included: support for violence; antisemitism and an admiration of the Third Reich; extreme racist views; and Holocaust denial.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

This has become a very ugly country.

re: #41 HoosierHoops

9-3. They held them in the red zone though. Where was that big-bad line at the 5 yard line? :)

re: #39 wrenchwench

Very interesting.

re: #39 wrenchwench

Adam Kokesh (paulian) also gets a mention.

re: #43 JasonA

This has become a very ugly country.

I disagree. There are some ugly people in it, as there always have been, and in the information age they are getting a louder voice. But it is still a magnificent country.

Here in Lubbock, we have yet another crisis on top of the orange cone plague and the long running epidemic of psychosis among city bureaucrats: The town is suffering from a major infestation of Aggies, here for the football game between their own cult and the Texas Tech Red Raiders. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach promises that the invaders will be expelled by tomorrow morning, defeated yet again and sent packing to their lair in darkest Bryan.

re: #39 wrenchwench

I dug a little into that firm myself. The CEO has worked for ron paul.

re: #39 wrenchwench

Excellent find!

re: #40 Killgore Trout

and here they go...

Not mentioned is the 36,000 that die from seasonal flu annually under any POTUS.

flu.

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Adam Kokesh (paulian) also gets a mention.

At the GOP.com photo page, a "Kokesh" image is among the "most popular", with 4 ratings.

re: #47 cliffster

I disagree. There are some ugly people in it, as there always have been, and in the information age they are getting a louder voice. But it is still a magnificent country.

I must agree with you. The country itself is fine, it's just that ugly people on both sides of the political divide are more in evidence than they were a few years ago, thanks to the age of information.

re: #47 cliffster

I disagree. There are some ugly people in it, as there always have been, and in the information age they are getting a louder voice. But it is still a magnificent country.

Amen.

re: #44 cliffster

9-3. They held them in the red zone though. Where was that big-bad line at the 5 yard line? :)

*wink*
Trash talking..I like it...I would love for Tenn to just kick #1 Alabama's ass..
In the 4th quarter we shall see who has the most bad ass line..Bama looks strong at the line..should break down Tenn in the second half...
Would it not be cool to see Bama go down?
GO VOLS!

re: #49 Sharmuta

I dug a little into that firm myself. The CEO has worked for ron paul.

Wow. Another good find.

re: #49 Sharmuta

I dug a little into that firm myself. The CEO has worked for ron paul.

Now I get the creeps every time I visit a site that has that "look". I wish I had more time to dig, but I gotta go get some work done.

re: #55 HoosierHoops

*wink*
Trash talking..I like it...I would love for Tenn to just kick #1 Alabama's ass..
In the 4th quarter we shall see who has the most bad ass line..Bama looks strong at the line..should break down Tenn in the second half...
Would it not be cool to see Bama go down?
GO VOLS!

Vols victory is a very unlikely scenario, but I would never have put them on 9-3 at the half. Go Vols!

re: #39 wrenchwench

I was on the page of the "GOP Spent More Than a Million Dollars to Launch a Disastrous Website" post, and a google ad in the right sidebar said "Websites for Republicans". I clicked on it, and it took me to the site of NetBoots.net, which looked an awful lot like the GOP.com site, but I could not find a connection with Smartech Corporation. NetBoots is owned by TerraEclipse, which has a client list made up of Paulians, plus FreedomWorks.org, which is the Dick Armey/Steve Forbes tea party site. I looked at NetBoots' twitter thingy, and found this article: Will Budget Internet Organizing Save the GOP?

Later Eric Odom is quoted. His sites all look like the Terra Eclipse sites too.

In conclusion, I think the GOP.com website is a part of the Paulian campaign to take down or take over the GOP.

Please pass the tinfoil.

Very interesting. This can probably be remedied. At LGF anyway.

re: #52 wrenchwench

They're thoroughly infested with Paulians. Here's a newly posted pic decrying Obama's imperialism: Is this why we fight?

re: #59 Charles

Very interesting. This can probably be remedied. At LGF anyway.

You got tinfoil?

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Have a good one folks, time for me to head for Jones-ATT-Phonebooth Stadium for the Raider/Aggie showdown.
The Aggie cultists themselves should be at least as entertaining as the game. I wonder if that dog they worship, Revile, er, Reveille, will bite his handler again? Time will tell.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

They're thoroughly infested with Paulians. Here's a newly posted pic decrying Obama's imperialism: Is this why we fight?

That might be the most offensive one yet.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

They're thoroughly infested with Paulians. Here's a newly posted pic decrying Obama's imperialism: Is this why we fight?

GOP.com should be shut down. Or the party should just hand the keys to Ron Paul. Why drag it out?

re: #60 Killgore Trout

They're thoroughly infested with Paulians. Here's a newly posted pic decrying Obama's imperialism: Is this why we fight?

Disgusting. With Paulians and Code-Pinkoes alike attacking him, Obama must be on the right track, or at least close to it.

re: #63 Conservative Moonbat

That might be the most offensive one yet.

It's not even making sense to me. What does Obama have to do with it???

re: #66 JasonA

It's not even making sense to me. What does Obama have to do with it???

He's an imperialist war monger because he hasn't recalled every single troop stationed overseas.

re: #67 Conservative Moonbat

He's an imperialist war monger because he hasn't recalled every single troop stationed overseas.

But...but...

Oh screw it.

Fake but accurate?

:-)

re: #67 Conservative Moonbat

He's an imperialist war monger because he hasn't recalled every single troop stationed overseas.

Of course.

If you listen to Pacifica Radio, that is.

re: #59 Charles

At LGF. But in the real world, R.I.P. GOP.

IMHO>

Wow, the British press is a lot more straightforward than the press over here is...

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GOP poll: How many would like to kick Lindsey Graham out of the Republican Party for disrepecting Paul Paul.

Yes, people like Graham don't belong in the republican party. 91.3%

No, I like RINO'S 8.7%

re: #73 Killgore Trout

GOP poll: How many would like to kick Lindsey Graham out of the Republican Party for disrepecting Paul Paul.

Yeah, it's a Paulian site.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Posted by "I LOVE HANNITY I LOVE HANNITY"

"Would you like to see Graham booted from the Republican party for disrespecting it's most popular member, and what many consider its leader, Ron Paul."

Oh, God help us...

re: #73 Killgore Trout

GOP poll: How many would like to kick Lindsey Graham out of the Republican Party for disrepecting Paul Paul.

I'd like to see a list of who they think should be in the Republican party. The answers could fit on a post-it with room for groceries.

re: #74 MandyManners

Yeah, it's a Paulian site.

Gee, thats funny, it was a GOP site when it started just a few days ago, didn't take them long to take over did it? Asking the GOP to moderate it's own site is apparently the same as asking them to tell the lunatic fringe to be quiet and go away, not going to happen.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

GOP poll: How many would like to kick Lindsey Graham out of the Republican Party for disrepecting Paul Paul.

Only 23 votes total. The GOP sure is lucky they have that $1.4 million server farm to handle this deluge of traffic.

I watched John Hiatt during half time on some PBS show...
I stand amazed...I can finger pick every chord he can play...But the man is a genius...He writes music that moves the soul in the key of C..
Holy Cow...He stands on the mountain as we look up from the Valley...

Hate Airheads on the swine flu emergency...

This is the frightening part:

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal rules when opening alternative care sites, such as offsite hospital centers at schools or community centers if hospitals seek permission.

That’s some Friday drop. It’s a distraction, albeit an ominous one. Goodness.

conservative pilgrim on October 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM

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Just a move to try and push for his health care takeover. Cynical and transparent.

DerKrieger on October 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM

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It’s a little like the hype about Porkulus “saving or creating jobs.” People look around and say,”Yeah, where?”

Obama (and Rahm) decide to create a crisis that they can exploit. “It’s an emergency! People are dying everywhere!”

People look around and say, “Yeah, where?”

There have been some school closings around Philly, and some colleges have reported flu (may or may not be swine), but those cases seem to be dwindling.

Wethal on October 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM

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martial law instituted in

3..2..

Joe Caps on October 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM

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Just in time to ratchet up the need for the senate healthcare bill.

A very convenient and advantagous distraction.

katy on October 24, 2009 at 5:17 PM

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Instapundit has had some links about swine flu being Obama’s Katrina.

Not really, since the Obama-Approved media will not portray it in the same way.

Wethal on October 24, 2009 at 5:17 PM

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The Dems are trying to create a panic.

DerKrieger on October 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM

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Yeah, but there’s still not nearly enough panic in the streets. Time to manufacture some.

uncivilized on October 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM

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ht tp[Link: oathkeepers(dot)org...] redacted-ed)

elduende on October 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM

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His poll numbers are plummeting. There’s Afghanistan. Sarah Palin just came out and endorsed Hoffman. The release date of her book is edging closer. Health care is in the balance while American resistance continues to grow to everything this man proposes.
A cornered rat can be a very dangerous thing. But, make no mistake, the rat is being cornered. So, what can he do?? Tear down the walls that confine him.

JellyToast on October 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM

etc, etc

re: #78 Charles

They could easily monitor the site if they wanted to. There's not much going on there.

re: #79 HoosierHoops

I watched John Hiatt during half time on some PBS show...
I stand amazed...I can finger pick every chord he can play...But the man is a genius...He writes music that moves the soul in the key of C..
Holy Cow...He stands on the mountain as we look up from the Valley...

He writes music that is straight outta time.

I am now convinced that the GOP leadership really is afraid of the proletariate base likely voters.

That the last VP candidate is cheering on non-GOP candidates now, against the GOP, is about as telling as can be.

Furthermore, I am convinced that the Sarah Palins of the the GOP really are their future, for a couple of reasons, but that is not really a good thing for this country. We are witnessing reactionary politics at its full swing.

re: #83 freetoken

This country needs a moderate Republican with a pair of stones.

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

Here in Lubbock, we have yet another crisis on top of the orange cone plague and the long running epidemic of psychosis among city bureaucrats: The town is suffering from a major infestation of Aggies, here for the football game between their own cult and the Texas Tech Red Raiders. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach promises that the invaders will be expelled by tomorrow morning, defeated yet again and sent packing to their lair in darkest Bryan.

Whatever. The Aggies always win halftime.

re: #79 HoosierHoops

I watched John Hiatt during half time on some PBS show...
I stand amazed...I can finger pick every chord he can play...But the man is a genius...He writes music that moves the soul in the key of C..
Holy Cow...He stands on the mountain as we look up from the Valley...

met him after a show in Ann Arbor one time and he let me buy him a beer...really an easy going sort, very down home

re: #82 cliffster

He writes music that is straight outta time.

I watched him play a wicked song with the Guitar Capo'd at A flat.. The song was played in C minor...I was trying to figure out the true chords to transliterate to paper. I got lost...
Then I thought. Paul McCartney can't even read sheet music.. Yet he has written some of the greatest songs of all time.. Life isn't fair my friend...

re: #84 JasonA

Well, Graham tried with the cry of "not the party of angry white men"... That's actually quite a statement if you look at it on face value, for a sitting senator to say in public in front of his own party.

All it got him is the vote to kick him off the island.

re: #83 freetoken

I am now convinced that the GOP leadership really is afraid of the proletariate base likely voters.

That the last VP candidate is cheering on non-GOP candidates now, against the GOP, is about as telling as can be.

Furthermore, I am convinced that the Sarah Palins of the the GOP really are their future, for a couple of reasons, but that is not really a good thing for this country. We are witnessing reactionary politics at its full swing.

I've also come to the conclusion that Newt and Dick Armey (through Heritage Foundation and Freedom Works) had no idea what they were doing by wasting their money and political capital on the Tea Parties. The never had any control and the rabid right wing base hates them and the Republican Party. Epic fail.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

On the contrary, both of them are true believers who are more concerned about building a religious movement than they are about traditional political party, especially the historical GOP.

Armey has made so many off the wall statements... his distaste for AGW is cast in purely religious terms:

[Link: climateprogress.org...]

The video has been removed from Youtube, but I linked it here when it first came out.

Likewise with Newt, who has been hanging around with theocratic variants of the emotionalism (pentacostal) crowd... which I've also linked here before.

Newt and Armey are fighting the Good Fight, so to speak.

For those interested, here's a great approx. 1hr interview with Chesley Sullenberger, the US Airways pilot who demonstrated amazing levels of competence, courage, and all-around kick-ass awesomeness by landing his crippled plane in the Hudson River.

Interview is by Krys Boyd of KERA in Dallas. They're in the middle of pledge drive at the moment, so there are a couple of Please Give Us Money breaks, but all in all it's a very interesting interview.

re: #88 freetoken

Yeah, and I do respect him a little more for it. A part of me wants to actually start showing support for moderate Rs, not because I agree with them but because I'm so afraid of the theocons.

re: #87 HoosierHoops

I watched him play a wicked song with the Guitar Capo'd at A flat.. The song was played in C minor...I was trying to figure out the true chords to transliterate to paper. I got lost...
Then I thought. Paul McCartney can't even read sheet music.. Yet he has written some of the greatest songs of all time.. Life isn't fair my friend...

I remember some gearhead asked Macca what kind of strings he used. He answered something to the effect of, "the long shiny kind". Genius will out.

re: #84 JasonA

This country needs a moderate Republican with a pair of stones.

You may find the Modern Whig Party interesting.
Whig video.

(I think the animal you are looking for is not in the R party anymore.)

re: #94 Ojoe

Updinged for blatant ojoebot

re: #94 Ojoe

+1 for shear persistence...sigh...

re: #94 Ojoe

You advertise for the Whig Party quite a bit here... but for myself (and maybe some others here), the following two tenets of the Whigs cause problems:

STATES RIGHTS — Each state can generally determine its course of action based on local values and unique needs.
SOCIAL ADVANCEMENT — Government should refrain from legislating morality.

So, if the state of Oklahoma says that any woman getting an abortion must have her information made public online... is that an example of "States Rights"?

Was it wrong for Eisenhower to send in the troops because the state of Alabama wouldn't allow black students into school?

Besides you don't start a third party at the national level, you have to start it locally, city council members, judges, prosecuters. Later you add state senators, mayors, and governors to that. Then you elect people to both the House and the Senate in Washington D.C. from your ticket. Only then do you stand a realistic shot at a run for President of the United States.

Ross Perot and Luap Nor have shown what happens when you try to start from the top without any national base.

re: #97 freetoken

You advertise for the Whig Party quite a bit here... but for myself (and maybe some others here), the following two tenets of the Whigs cause problems:

So, if the state of Oklahoma says that any woman getting an abortion must have her information made public online... is that an example of "States Rights"?

Was it wrong for Eisenhower to send in the troops because the state of Alabama wouldn't allow black students into school?

"States' Rights" was the rallying cry for the Confederacy and what it stood for. Why would a new Political Party choose such a loaded term?

re: #93 The Sanity Inspector

I remember some gearhead asked Macca what kind of strings he used. He answered something to the effect of, "the long shiny kind". Genius will out.

My mom was a great athlete and piano player...She would make me practice reading and playing music... I hated it.. Especially when she would pick out a Classical song with 5 flats..
There ought to be a law Dang!

re: #99 Spare O'Lake

"States' Rights" was the rallying cry for the Confederacy and what it stood for. Why would a new Political Party choose such a loaded term?

Probably romanticism. I'm not calling the Modern Whigs racist... they have no track record on these matters.

There is a notion of the "good ol' days" (wrt politics) in the Modern Whig statements online, and I suspect that "states rights" is part of that.

They want to claim some sort of descent from the "original party of Abraham Lincoln"... but therein lay the problem. Lincoln became a Republican 155 years ago... perhaps there was a good reason he bailed on the Whigs, and why they died out?

re: #60 Killgore Trout

They're thoroughly infested with Paulians. Here's a newly posted pic decrying Obama's imperialism: Is this why we fight?

Not surprising. Remember back to the last election cycle, when the Ronulans swarmed every Internet poll within minutes of it's posting, and did the same to forums, attempting to drown out any dissenting voices.

It's amazing what people who live in basements and have no lives outside of the Web do with their time.

re: #97 freetoken

So, if the state of Oklahoma says that any woman getting an abortion must have her information made public online... is that an example of "States Rights"?

You are rather presuming that that national level will always align with what you think. What if Congress passed a law saying any woman getting an abortion must have her information made public online? Wow, now women in all 50 states are getting bullied, and there's nothing any of their states' governments can do about it.

re: #103 cliffster

I'm simply using a contemporary example that has been of interest to LGF.

And, real examples are better than conjectures, IMO.

re: #104 freetoken

I'm simply using a contemporary example that has been of interest to LGF.

And I'm using that same example to show why it's better to have decisions made at the state level. Limiting the damage that government entities can do to people's rights is an important goal.

Before I head off to thy gym, I see there was one piece of good (?) news on Friday:

Craigslist Not Liable for Prostitution Ads

re: #106 cliffster

And I'm using that same example to show why it's better to have decisions made at the state level. Limiting the damage that government entities can do to people's rights is an important goal.

And during the 20th century the major examples of "limiting the damage" has been the federal government forcing states to honor civil rights.

Live in the real world, not the conjectured world.

re: #101 freetoken
They want to claim some sort of descent from the "original party of Abraham Lincoln"... but therein lay the problem. Lincoln became a Republican 155 years ago... perhaps there was a good reason he bailed on the Whigs, and why they died out?

...and that would be the dividing issue of its time - slavery.

re: #108 freetoken

And during the 20th century the major examples of "limiting the damage" has been the federal government forcing states to honor civil rights.

Live in the real world, not the conjectured world.

So taxing people under the auspice of saving money for their retirement - Social Security I believe they call it, and then turning around and spending 100% of that money on other stuff.. that's an example of the federal government protecting us?

re: #97 freetoken

I would say states rights would mean that there would be less federal interference in local conditions. But it can't mean going retro on the real advances of the last 150 years.

The part about abortion: from the Whig site, these two things apply:

"SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE — Government should refrain from legislating morality."

and

Abortion

Our members are split on this subject just like the rest of the country. But the bottom line is that this one particular issue should not be the sole basis for which political party people affiliate with. For example, many "pro-choice" voters find themselves agreeing with many traditionally GOP issues while many of those opposed to abortion rights find themselves agreeing with many Democratic issues. Despite this fact, voters too often are pushed to choose one party or the other due to the abortion issue alone. It is time to end the trend of having this one issue become a deal breaker. Each state can determine its course of action like any other public health issue that revolves around medical procedures. The federal government should not get involved or regulate such items as the less involvement by the government in our private lives the better.

In addition, we encourage states to consider additional funding for greater access to adoption for people wishing not to keep a child and for qualified couples or individuals wishing to become parents of adopted children. Responsible safe-haven laws also give people an additional option beyond abortion. We support all policies giving couples additional options beyond abortion, making this practice even more rare.

re: #101 freetoken

The Old Whigs died out because they represented compromise on the slavery issue and it was no longer possible to compromise on it.

re: #110 cliffster

I think it's a good idea to set aside money so that when I can't work anymore, I have something to live on. If I take that money and spend it on a big house and a nice car, that'd be considered irresponsible. If Washington is going to take money from me under the guise of doing that setting aside for me, and then spend it all, I think the term "irresponsible" must apply a million-fold. That's what happens when you give power to the federal government.

re: #98 ausador

Here's a guy starting local, in Florida:

Grass Root Whig.

How to stay healthy.

re: #115 MandyManners

How to stay healthy.

But Elmo has fur on his arms! That can't be good to sneeze on.

re: #116 wrenchwench

But Elmo has fur on his arms! That can't be good to sneeze on.

Ew. A snot-encrusted Elmo.

re: #117 MandyManners

Ew. A snot-encrusted Elmo.

Tenn has a chance to beat Bama..A few seconds left!

re: #93 The Sanity Inspector

Paul McCartney can't even read sheet music

While I'll note, in the same breath as Douglas Adams, that any tune whistled by macca, he'll be able to buy Hampshire with; should he write it :)

re: #100 HoosierHoops

My mom was a great athlete and piano player...She would make me practice reading and playing music... I hated it.. Especially when she would pick out a Classical song with 5 flats..
There ought to be a law Dang!

(In my finest Yorkshire accent) Luxury! We 'ad to play music with 7 flats, 24 hours a day, week in week out until our dad would thrash us to sleep wi' 'is belt.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Hate Airheads on the swine flu emergency...
His poll numbers are plummeting. There’s Afghanistan. Sarah Palin just came out and endorsed Hoffman. The release date of her book is edging closer.
(...)

Ok. Sanity check. What does the release date of Sarah Palin's book has to do with anything at all? Will the world turn into a feast of socially conservative bunnies and kittens thereby forcing teh 3vil dictat0r to relinquish his power over the minds of men? Is the president declaring the emergency to counter that, highly unlikely, effect? I am sorry but I am lost here people, help me out.

re: #120 John Neverbend

(In my finest Yorkshire accent) Luxury! We 'ad to play music with 7 flats, 24 hours a day, week in week out until our dad would thrash us to sleep wi' 'is belt.

LOL
Hope you are well today...

re: #120 John Neverbend

'As thy 'eard news? ... Play thy blues lad...Or Thou'lt never worship at 't'altar of Gary Moore...

re: #111 Ojoe

I would say states rights would mean that there would be less federal interference in local conditions. But it can't mean going retro on the real advances of the last 150 years.

What makes them think that blatantly dodging issues like abortion by passing the buck to the States will be attractive to the centre right?

re: #124 Spare O'Lake

It would be attractive because it is easier to find what you like when there is variety and not uniformity imposed by the federal government. It is a limited government thing.

re: #78 Charles

How do you know the GOP doesn't have plans to accommodate mass traffic in the future? They could step up and sponsor the Superbowl, live, and get a million viewers. They might broadcast an entire NASCAR series. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, a makeover series hosted by Michele Bachmann, Pat Boone singalongs, A Palin Family Christmas, Ron Paul conventions... the possibilities are endless. All online, all at the GOP.

They're just trotting out these insignificant polls to test the waters, and make sure their scripts don't break and servers don't crash when the big traffic comes in.
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re: #95 cliffster

"blatant ojoebot"

LOL

I like it.

Thanks.

WTF??? I didn't think that even Paulians were deluded enough to believe their guy is the GOP's "most popular member." You'd think his showing in the 2008 primaries would convince them otherwise.

Graham's ACU rating is a solid A- (90.39 percent), so he's not exactly a Scozzafava. (ducks) His amnesty position and his role in the Gang of 14 are big minuses, though. I'd want him ousted (by voters) for the latter; preserving the Democrat minority's usurped control over the lower court nomination process is just...hideous. When you sign up to caucus with a party you actually do it. You may disagree with your party's majority on certain votes here and there, but you do not work to modify the rules to transfer Congressional procedural control to the other party.

Graham may be right about Paul in several ways, but I'll draw attention to one: Paul ain't a leader. I don't see him doing a lot of leading in the area where he has the most in common with conservatives, and where the administration is hurting Americans the worst - fiscal policy. He was a Libertarian Party member for many years; longtime association with a party of herded cats isn't the best incubator for developing leadership skills. There may be some who defy the odds, but Paul isn't one of them.

re: #76 JasonA

I'd like to see a list of who they think should be in the Republican party. The answers could fit on a post-it with room for groceries.

I think we are rapidly getting into 'me and thee, and I'm not so sure about thee' territory right quick.

The CBC reported on this a couple of days ago...apparently, the BNP leader, Griffin, was a flop..in fact, he was so bad that he surprised many...(some were expecting a better "performance.") In a way, it validated the BBC's decision to let Griffin air his noxious views. Grifin was hemming and hawing, unprepared, contradictory, and appeared to be just plain schtupid..

OMG they'll probably complain this out of context. YES IT IS!

This link seems somehow appropriate right now:

The funniest thing about this is Nick Griffin has probably said all of this before, minus any editing.

Nick Griffin, George Galloway - what's the difference? In Britain the left and right converge to make for a toxic, rancid, racist body politic.