Yet Crazy Pam and the Kahanist wing is still willing to partner with these creeps

Does this mean we won't get any Zionist checks anymore? :(

I guess he never learned anything about actually earning respect, but what do you expect from a racist scumball.

He added: “Best you show us some respect, some day you will want us to respect you.”

Nice little threat there. Really shows what the BNP is, a bunch of schoolyard bullies writ large.

re: #1 Thanos

Yet Crazy Pam and the Kahanist wing is still willing to partner with these creeps

Of course. The cognitive dissonance is strong with them.

Hooligans with power. Scary.

BTW, post from Crazy Pam defending this turd in 5..4..3..2..1..

I notice how crappy economies generate the heck out of nationalists. Its like a mold at just the right humidity.
Mushroom allegory here. Dark and F.O.S.

And there is something ELSE extremely weird about this:

When Mr Toube, one of Britain’s most prominent Jews, told Mr Barnes, 43, not to get “too smug”, the BNP man replied: “That’s fine. Just remember though, ‘You will reap what you sow’.

“The way you treat us now is how we shall treat you in the future. The example you set us is the example we will follow when we are in power.

Can we even imagine someone in the US being described in a major publication as 'one of the country's most prominent Jews" or 'African-Americans' or 'lesbians' or "italian americans' or whatever?

I certainly am not trying to distract from us kicking hell out of the BNP, but WTF...

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Of course. The cognitive dissonance is strong with them.

Their hatred of muslims exceeds their own desire for survival, thus bringing to full circle Golda Meir's observation that the mideast would have peace as soon as arabs loved their children more than they hated jews.

re: #9 iceweasel

And there is something ELSE extremely weird about this:

Can we even imagine someone in the US being described in a major publication as 'one of the country's most prominent Jews" or 'African-Americans' or 'lesbians' or "italian americans' or whatever?

I certainly am not trying to distract from us kicking hell out of the BNP, but WTF...

Well welcome to the way the British media treats Jews. Most of the British Jews I know are more British than British. Yet, they are rarely completely thought of as Brits by their fellow Brits. Certainly that is the case in the media there.

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

Nice little threat there. Really shows what the BNP is, a bunch of schoolyard bullies writ large.

Fascists are always craven bullies. They are only dangerous in packs. Individually, you can kick the snot out of one.

This should be obviously from the entire mindset that the whole world is against me... Only the most beta of betas thinks that way.

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

BTW, post from Crazy Pam defending this turd in 5..4..3..2..1..

She won't overtly support BNP, just their partners Vlaams Belang and EDL.

Whenever I read about these idiots, I picture the fascist gangs from Pink Floyd The Wall.

OT but not really, dig those crazy Mongolian Nazis

re: #14 Mad Al-Jaffee

Whenever I read about these idiots, I picture the fascist gangs from Pink Floyd The Wall.

Actually those brownshirts, that Floyd was harpooning, were the direct ancestors of the modern BNP. They did not have the whole hammer thing going on, but Floyd did not come up with them out of a vacuum either.

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Well welcome to the way the British media treats Jews. Most of the British Jews I know are more British than British. Yet, they are rarely completely thought of as Brits by their fellow Brits. Certainly that is the case in the media there.

You might be right. I'll have to talk a friend of mine from there who is jewish.

My main memory about this is that I was appalled when some English friends were getting married and it was Rosh Hashanah. It was just unimaginable to me that anyone wouldn't know that. If I wanted to get married on that day or that weekend more than half my guests would be unable to attend and I'm not even Jewish.

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually those brownshirts, that Floyd was harpooning, were the direct ancestors of the modern BNP. They did not have the whole hammer thing going on, but Floyd did not come up with them out of a vacuum either.

Sure, Mosely. The symbols are clearly very influential for The Wall.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

BBL

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually those brownshirts, that Floyd was harpooning, were the direct ancestors of the modern BNP. They did not have the whole hammer thing going on, but Floyd did not come up with them out of a vacuum either.

Don't forget Sir Roderick Spode, founder of the saviours of britain - aka the Brownshorts - of P.G. Wodeshouse fame:

The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?" - Bertie Wooster, Code of the Woosters

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually those brownshirts, that Floyd was harpooning, were the direct ancestors of the modern BNP. They did not have the whole hammer thing going on, but Floyd did not come up with them out of a vacuum either.

Apparently they hired real skinheads to play them in the movie and some of them really enjoyed the role.

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Anti Semitism is a bubbling undercurrent in the British media, and the Guardian is worse than the rest.

re: #17 iceweasel

You might be right. I'll have to talk a friend of mine from there who is jewish.

My main memory about this is that I was appalled when some English friends were getting married and it was Rosh Hashanah. It was just unimaginable to me that anyone wouldn't know that. If I wanted to get married on that day or that weekend more than half my guests would be unable to attend and I'm not even Jewish.

The average level of knowledge of Judaism in the British non-Jewish community if far lower than it is in the US, mainly because of the much smaller community size (not more than 300,000 in the whole of the UK). I remember once asking for a kosher meal for a business lunch to be arranged by a former employer. The person to whom I addressed this request had no idea what I meant, and thought the word was "posher". Acceptance of Jews in public office is fairly well established, however. During Margaret Thatcher's time as Prime Minister, there were quite a few Jewish cabinet ministers (Keith Joseph, Nigel Lawson and Leon Brittan to name a few).

re: #20 Mad Al-Jaffee

Apparently they hired real skinheads to play them in the movie and some of them really enjoyed the role.

And why wouldn't they? I imagine that fantasies of violence, brutality, and control play a large part in their psychological make-up.

Well folks, short day for me today. Y'all have a good evening.

re: #17 iceweasel

You might be right. I'll have to talk a friend of mine from there who is jewish.

My main memory about this is that I was appalled when some English friends were getting married and it was Rosh Hashanah. It was just unimaginable to me that anyone wouldn't know that. If I wanted to get married on that day or that weekend more than half my guests would be unable to attend and I'm not even Jewish.

The British Jews I know tend to be shocked by American Jews in that we are so openly Jewish. They have been taught through generations never to stick out or be different or there will be consequences.

This is not to say that all Brits are antisemites - far from it. However, Jews in Britain are something of a curiosity to the Brits. The actual anti-semitism is cloaked in ohhh so reasonable and erudite tones by the British chattering class and upper class.

There has always been a glass ceiling. Jews are OK if they are not "too Jewish" and the arguments that get made in that condescending Brit intellectual manner are always about how the Jews are these fussy people who go on and on about things that no reasonable person would go on about, like God, or a right to their own capital, or not to be rocketed etc...

One honest look at the reporting of the BBC or the Gaurdian (G-d help you) on Israel will let you see this. The rantings of Galloway and Livingston make it more clear as do the teacher's unions.

But it is no better for a British Jew from the right. The righties were never convinced that Jews belong in Britain in the first place. They still doubt Cromwell on that one.

However, both set rarely come out with open hatred of Jews per se. It is a genteel and sneering anti-semitism.

Now to be wholly fair, the average Brit does not hate Jews. He really doesn't know the first thing about them and he doesn't know too many (if any personally). He is awash in what the British media says about them though.

Oh come on! Lee John Barnes was just being a good Christian. Didn't Jesus say "do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" That's all he was saying...

/dripping sarcasm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

But it is no better for a British Jew from the right. The righties were never convinced that Jews belong in Britain in the first place. They still doubt Cromwell on that one.

The Jews that joined these people want to do the same thing to Muslims that that the right wants to do to Jews. That's what attracted them in the first place. These are not people that innocently wandered in with the wrong group.

re: #26 Lightspeed

Oh come on! Lee John Barnes was just being a good Christian. Didn't Jesus say "do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" That's all he was saying...

/dripping sarcasm

SATIRE!

Here we go again.

Syria: Israel tried to 'demolish' Aksa Mosque, destroy Arab culture

Syria on Monday accused Israel of desecrating the Aksa Mosque and heaped praise on the site's "steadfast defenders," the Syrian news agency reported.

"Storming" the mosque, "besieging" worshipers and "preventing them from entering" were just some of the steps Israel took this week in an effort to "Judaize" Jerusalem, SANA quoted a Syrian Foreign Ministry official as saying.

I am reminded of the British fascist, Musketeer Gripweed, played by John Lennon in Richard lester's "How I Won the War".

re: #27 Baier

The Jews that joined these people want to do the same thing to Muslims that that the right wants to do to Jews. That's what attracted them in the first place. These are not people that innocently wandered in with the wrong group.

And that is why I am very deeply shocked and ashamed of them. They should know better.

‘Show respect or reap what you sow when we are in power’ BNP warns Jew

Fixed the title for you.

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

There has always been a glass ceiling. Jews are OK if they are not "too Jewish" and the arguments that get made in that condescending Brit intellectual manner are always about how the Jews are these fussy people who go on and on about things that no reasonable person would go on about, like God, or a right to their own capital, or not to be rocketed etc...

Yes and no. I don't doubt that it's difficult to rise or even get into the British Foreign Office if you're Jewish, but I would not rule out the possibility of a Jewish prime minister in the not too distant future (I don't count Disraeli, even if he did reaffirm his Yiddishkeit on his deathbed, according to one of the Rothschilds). Also, there have been plenty of Jews high up in the business world.

I think the desire not to shout about it is not linked so much to the religion as it is to a conventional British attitude about being somewhat modest and restrained in one's approach to the world. I didn't shout about my own religious beliefs when I lived in England, simply because nobody else did.

I think the proper response in the Queens English would be:

Define "respect" thou clay-brained guts, thou knotty-pated fool, thou whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch! (Henry IV, part I)

When I got the impression when I lived in England that there's some racism in their culture that's completely acceptable. For instance, I knew students who were Liberal, educated and didn't seem racist who would refer to the local Chinese restaurant as "the chinkies."

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the state sponsored incitement to violence against Israel continues throughout the Middle East - and the Palestinians aren't going out of their way to stop it either not when Fatah and Hamas were involved in the rioting.

The AP reporting has been abysmal, ignoring that Israel never stormed the al Aqsa mosque, and that the Palestinians attempted to incite the riots by getting Palestinian kids to prep the area with rocks and oil to make law enforcement all the more difficult.

re: #37 Guanxi88

You might need to put on a satire tag, for those who don't get the joke.

I was hoping Rush might pick it up...

Do we finally have someone we can compare to Hitler without breaking Godwin's Law?

re: #39 Lightspeed

I was hoping Rush might pick it up...

He will - just not on the air.

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

And that is why I am very deeply shocked and ashamed of them. They should know better.

I understand how you feel, but there is no reason for you to feel ashamed for their behavior.

This is a relief: Saudi King Pardons Female Reporter Sentenced to 60 Lashes, but WTF is wrong with Saudi Arabia that anyone has to issue such a pardon? grrfff.

You mean he had it reduced to foty lashes?

re: #36 Mad Al-Jaffee

When
PIMF

re: #44 ralphieboy

You mean he had it reduced to foty lashes?

With a wet noodle?

Robert Spencer is flying back here as we speak..."What? Huh? Who? No..no no...they aren't..."

/

re: #39 Lightspeed

I was hoping Rush might pick it up...

Ah! As I feared - the absence of a sarc or satire tag doomed your post.

re: #48 Guanxi88

Ah! As I feared - the absence of a sarc or satire tag doomed your post.

I see that. Is there a way to edit a post once submitted?

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

[...]However, both set rarely come out with open hatred of Jews per se. It is a genteel and sneering anti-semitism.[...]

As only genteel Brits can sneer.

re: #49 Lightspeed

I see that. Is there a way to edit a post once submitted?

I don't think so.

re: #43 Thanos

Is there any dissent in that country?

re: #49 Lightspeed

I see that. Is there a way to edit a post once submitted?

No. you can use the "preview" button to check it before you submit it.

re: #34 DaddyG

I think the proper response in the Queens English would be:

Define "respect" thou clay-brained guts, thou knotty-pated fool, thou whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch! (Henry IV, part I)

or even to say to Mr. Barnes:

Thou art a knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pander, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

Ah, well, forgot the /sarc tag on that one. Live and learn. I thought Charles, at least, would get the sarcasm.

re: #53 reine.de.tout

No. you can use the "preview" button to check it before you submit it.

Otherwise too many people would be tempted to go back and retroactive change their posts to prove they were right all along...

(not entirely) ///

I have this image of Cartman shouting, "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITIE!"

re: #54 John Neverbend
Translated...
Shut up or I'm going to beat you into a coma!
...easy!

re: #54 John Neverbend

or even to say to Mr. Barnes:

Thou art a knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pander, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

re: #55 Lightspeed

Ah, well, forgot the /sarc tag on that one. Live and learn. I thought Charles, at least, would get the sarcasm.

That's not why it was nuked.

re: #56 ralphieboy

Otherwise too many people would be tempted to go back and retroactive change their posts to prove they were right all along...

(not entirely) ///

Makes sense.

re: #60 ArchangelMichael

That's not why it was nuked.

Why, then?

re: #33 John Neverbend

[...](I don't count Disraeli, even if he did reaffirm his Yiddishkeit on his deathbed, according to one of the Rothschilds).

Why don't you count Disraeli? His is a remarkable achievement, even if he was "assimilated".

re: #54 John Neverbend

or even to say to Mr. Barnes:

Thou art a knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pander, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

"Onions should grow in his mouth," as my beloved grandmother used to say.

re: #33 John Neverbend

Yes and no. I don't doubt that it's difficult to rise or even get into the British Foreign Office if you're Jewish, but I would not rule out the possibility of a Jewish prime minister in the not too distant future (I don't count Disraeli, even if he did reaffirm his Yiddishkeit on his deathbed, according to one of the Rothschilds). Also, there have been plenty of Jews high up in the business world.

I think the desire not to shout about it is not linked so much to the religion as it is to a conventional British attitude about being somewhat modest and restrained in one's approach to the world. I didn't shout about my own religious beliefs when I lived in England, simply because nobody else did.

While I write about Jewish things on this board - largely because of the the large number of people here who either are Jewish or interested, I do not go about shouting my Jewishness in everyday America either.

More than once I have been out with British Jews in America (and different ones at that) and some Jewish topic will come up. They suddenly get reticent. Not that they hate the topic, but were afraid of being overheard talking about it.

Look, even Brits I tend to like, like Dawkins and Pat Condell come out with the standard Brit intelligentsia lines. Pat Condell, for instance, has a whole rant about how we Jews should "just give Jerusalem back, because it isn't yours and you know it." My response to that is well, aren't you always going on about not wanting to loose London and Western culture as you see it?

And therin lies the rub. To the Brit intelligentsia, we are not to be given the same standing of the rest of Western civilization, even if we are one of the founding cultures.

re: #49 Lightspeed

I see that. Is there a way to edit a post once submitted?

Yep. Charles deletes it.

re: #58 reloadingisnotahobby

Translated...
Shut up or I'm going to beat you into a coma!
...easy!

That's the modern translation, or "The New English Shakespeare". I must say, I prefer the older version.

If you want a more modern insult, I think the example quoted by the Merovingian in The Matrix Reloaded goes a long way: "Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperies de connards d'enculés de ta mère."

re: #62 Lightspeed

Why, then?

Whether anyone here 'gets it' is irrelevant. It only takes one idiot, intentional or otherwise, to screencap that or link to it from somewhere claiming evidence that Charles 'tolerates antisemitism' or some shit.

The stalkers and kooks spend hours searching through LGF archives looking for things like that to "prove" CJ is a control freak nazi who selectively moderates according to his personal subjective whim or is a hypocrite.

re: #67 John Neverbend

That's the modern translation, or "The New English Shakespeare". I must say, I prefer the older version.

If you want a more modern insult, I think the example quoted by the Merovingian in The Matrix Reloaded goes a long way: "Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperies de connards d'enculés de ta mère."

"Your mother was a hamster and your father reeked of
elder-r-r-r-r-r-rberries!"

re: #63 The Sanity Inspector

Why don't you count Disraeli? His is a remarkable achievement, even if he was "assimilated".

He didn't simply assimilate. He converted to Anglicanism as a teenager. Therefore, I think it would be inaccurate for me to count him as a Jewish prime minister.

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

Ah yes, erm I wrote all Shakespeare's plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

I think the world would be a little bit better place if Kate Wolf were still alive

re: #71 John Neverbend

Ah yes, erm I wrote all Shakespeare's plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

That you, Mr. Bacon?

re: #68 ArchangelMichael

I suppose. Howerver, would it have been deleted if I clearly stated it was sarcasm? I don't post a ton, so I jsut want to be clear this.

re: #71 John Neverbend

Ah yes, erm I wrote all Shakespeare's plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

Your wife, Morgan Fairchild?

re: #55 Lightspeed

Ah, well, forgot the /sarc tag on that one. Live and learn. I thought Charles, at least, would get the sarcasm.

In cyberspace, no one can see you smirk.

re: #73 Guanxi88

That you, Mr. Bacon?

Kevin Bacon?

re: #40 JasonA

Do we finally have someone we can compare to Hitler without breaking Godwin's Law?

Godwin's law is inapplicable when one is talking about actual Nazis, and the BNP clearly qualifies.

re: #70 John Neverbend

He didn't simply assimilate. He converted to Anglicanism as a teenager. Therefore, I think it would be inaccurate for me to count him as a Jewish prime minister.

Fair enough. But it's not as though people didn't know he was originally Jewish.

Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon. (Reply to a taunt by Daniel O'Connell)

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

More than once I have been out with British Jews in America (and different ones at that) and some Jewish topic will come up. They suddenly get reticent. Not that they hate the topic, but were afraid of being overheard talking about it.

I'm still rather puzzled by this, as it's not my own experience of living in England. I never felt concerned about being overheard talking about Jewish things, but perhaps things have changed since I left the country.

I saw the Pat Condell video, and I remember his making the comment about Jerusalem. Was he was really being serious? It was such an incredibly lame comment.

re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

Fair enough. But it's not as though people didn't know he was originally Jewish.

Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon. (Reply to a taunt by Daniel O'Connell)

Yeah, I think his name may have given people a clue.

re: #73 Guanxi88

That you, Mr. Bacon?

No, Mr. Norman Voles of Gravesend.

See Stake your Claim

re: #75 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's the ticket!

re: #22 John Neverbend

The person to whom I addressed this request had no idea what I meant, and thought the word was "posher".

Posher L'kesach

re: #74 Lightspeed

Probably not if it had a sarc tag of some kind.

I try to only leave them off when it is not only obvious, but a misread wont involve any serious questions of my character or the overall character of LGF.

re: #85 ArchangelMichael

Probably not if it had a sarc tag of some kind.

I try to only leave them off when it is not only obvious, but a misread wont involve any serious questions of my character or the overall character of LGF.

Cool. Good advice.

re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

Fair enough. But it's not as though people didn't know he was originally Jewish.

Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon. (Reply to a taunt by Daniel O'Connell)

Of course, but while he was Anglican, it would incorrect to describe him as Jewish. The same would be true of the late Bishop of Birmingham, Hugh Montefiore (arguably, the first person to use the "argument from personal incredulity").

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

There has always been a glass ceiling. Jews are OK if they are not "too Jewish" and the arguments that get made in that condescending Brit intellectual manner are always about how the Jews are these fussy people who go on and on about things that no reasonable person would go on about, like God, or a right to their own capital, or not to be rocketed etc...

Sir Moses Montefiore was "ultra-Orthodox"

re: #84 Alouette

Posher L'kesach

As in "Posh and Posher Spice?"

And in other news...

How to Burn Pelosi and Reid in Effigy

Step-by step instructions. Looks fun for the whole family.

///

On the BNP using Jewish members and allies for political cover: Stalin was notoriously anti-semitic, yet kept people like Kaganovich in his inner circle, to defang any accusations along such lines. And certainly, had Stalin not died when he did, there soon wouldn't have been a live Jew at liberty from Prague to Vladivostok.

re: #67 John Neverbend

That's the modern translation, or "The New English Shakespeare". I must say, I prefer the older version.

If you want a more modern insult, I think the example quoted by the Merovingian in The Matrix Reloaded goes a long way: "Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperies de connards d'enculés de ta mère."

I don't know French but every translation I've seen of that line seems to be just a list of things. Like "The name of god of a whore of a brothel of shit..." and so on. Is there an actual correct complete sentence translation?

re: #84 Alouette

Posher L'kesach

A well-boiled icicle, a neat fern of trase.

re: #88 Alouette

Sir Moses Montefiore was "ultra-Orthodox"

My concern with a Jewish prime minister is that he or she might well feel motivated to bend over backwards to prove that they didn't have "dual loyalties", i.e. Israel would be thrown under an Egged bus.

OT: Another "thought experiment" from the Left about killing people to save the environment.

re: #80 John Neverbend

I'm still rather puzzled by this, as it's not my own experience of living in England. I never felt concerned about being overheard talking about Jewish things, but perhaps things have changed since I left the country.

I saw the Pat Condell video, and I remember his making the comment about Jerusalem. Was he was really being serious? It was such an incredibly lame comment.

I really think he was serious, even though he disclaims that he hates all religious people, he only hates Jews "less."

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

Jews are these fussy people who go on and on about things that no reasonable person would go on about

Present company excluded, or included!?!?!?!

(((I tease because ,,,well ,, I CAN!!!)))

/

re: #95 Athens Runaway

OT: Another "thought experiment" from the Left about killing people to save the environment.

Anytime anyone starts to refer to planetary "carrying capacity", I know I'm dealing with a fanatic.

re: #88 Alouette

Sir Moses Montefiore was "ultra-Orthodox"

I'm not sure where you are going with that.

I am certainly not claiming that it is particularly bad for Jews in Britian - particularly by European standards of bad.

There are of course Jews who have done well for themselves there.

However, the reality is that they are few and far between. Much like America, most Jews are distinctly middle class. Further, unlike America, they are not consistently portrayed as an other, or as unreasonable, or as any number of things by the general media.

The Brits are not bad people, I am certainly not claiming that.

However, it would be foolish to argue that Jews are seen as just like every other Brit or given a fair shake when it comes to Israel.

re: #95 Athens Runaway

OT: Another "thought experiment" from the Left about killing people to save the environment.

In the great tradition of Jonathan Swift "A Modest Proposal", proposing a solution to the famine problem in Ireland by eating babies...

re: #94 John Neverbend

My concern with a Jewish prime minister is that he or she might well feel motivated to bend over backwards to prove that they didn't have "dual loyalties", i.e. Israel would be thrown under an Egged bus.

Exactly... so then if you even have that fear in the first place, what does that tell you about the general Brit attitude?

re: #98 Guanxi88

Anytime anyone starts to refer to planetary "carrying capacity", I know I'm dealing with a fanatic.

Somehow, the idea to innovate and explore new options is never in the works for these people.

re: #99 ludwigvanquixote

I'm not sure where you are going with that.

I am certainly not claiming that it is particularly bad for Jews in Britian - particularly by European standards of bad.

There are of course Jews who have done well for themselves there.

However, the reality is that they are few and far between. Much like America, most Jews are distinctly middle class. Further, unlike America, they are not consistently portrayed as an other, or as unreasonable, or as any number of things by the general media.

The Brits are not bad people, I am certainly not claiming that.

However, it would be foolish to argue that Jews are seen as just like every other Brit or given a fair shake when it comes to Israel.

Well you were saying that Brits tolerate Jews as long as they're not "too Jewish." Moses Montefiore was about as Jewish as they come, and he used his power, wealth and influence to increase Jewish settlement in the Holy Land.

re: #95 Athens Runaway

OT: Another "thought experiment" from the Left about killing people to save the environment.

Nowhere in the article does it mention killing people.

re: #99 ludwigvanquixote

I'm not sure where you are going with that.

I am certainly not claiming that it is particularly bad for Jews in Britian - particularly by European standards of bad.

There are of course Jews who have done well for themselves there.

However, the reality is that they are few and far between. Much like America, most Jews are distinctly middle class. Further, unlike America, they are not consistently portrayed as an other, or as unreasonable, or as any number of things by the general media.

The Brits are not bad people, I am certainly not claiming that.

However, it would be foolish to argue that Jews are seen as just like every other Brit or given a fair shake when it comes to Israel.

What a foolish summation

You could easily replace "Britain" with any eastern or western European country, as well as any in North or South America. For that matter, you could replace "Jew" with Roman Catholics, Mormons, etc and it would come out the same

re: #98 Guanxi88

Anytime anyone starts to refer to planetary "carrying capacity", I know I'm dealing with a fanatic.

Well that may or may not be true. It is certainly true though that AGW will severely limit food production and fresh water, while the population is growing.

People do need to eat and drink.

While I admit that there are some who use crazy language to describe the very real threat, and I admit that some are just crazy, the realities of AGW are actually quite grim in terms of basic needs.

re: #104 Conservative Moonbat

Nowhere in the article does it mention killing people.

ppfffth. Details...

We know what they're thinking.

/

re: #104 Conservative Moonbat

Nowhere in the article does it mention killing people.

No, it doesn't - just references the possibility of conscious control of population size, which amounts to a direct intervention in what must surely be among the most private and fundamental of all human decisions. Fewer "posh" kids will do nothing to "save the environment"; fewer poor children will do nothing to alleviate poverty. This is because population isn't the problem.

re: #80 John Neverbend

To the Englishman, religion is a private matter. Add that to the traditional English reluctance to make a fuss about anything at all and you have the exact cultural opposite of his American counterpart.

You're right in that this aspect is cultural. No different for Protestants and Catholics as it is for Jews.

Except for the frothing Muslims of the radical fringe. They're happy to shout about being Muslim until we're sick of hearing it; which was years back.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though at least England is becoming a very unsafe for Jews and other decent people to live. It's scary (or am I being too paranoid, like my Russian Jewish forebearers)?

re: #105 sattv4u2

Thank you Satt for taking one post out of context when there were a whole bunch of others leading up to it. Obviously there is more to it than that, and I've only made about 5 posts talking about it... I can always count on you for a fair read of what I've been writing... Please continue to be so impartial and thorough...

re: #106 ludwigvanquixote

Well that may or may not be true. It is certainly true though that AGW will severely limit food production and fresh water, while the population is growing.

People do need to eat and drink.

While I admit that there are some who use crazy language to describe the very real threat, and I admit that some are just crazy, the realities of AGW are actually quite grim in terms of basic needs.

Carrying capacity arguments are based on the false model of arithmetic progression in resource development and geometric growth in population. Neither one obtains, and dividing people and resources into competing or separate groups overlooks the fact that human beings are a resource in their own right.

re: #111 ludwigvanquixote

Thank you Satt for taking one post out of context when there were a whole bunch of others leading up to it. Obviously there is more to it than that, and I've only made about 5 posts talking about it... I can always count on you for a fair read of what I've been writing... Please continue to be so impartial and thorough...

I have been reading along. Do you or do you not stand by what you posted in #99. If yes, I stand by my #105. If no, I'll retract it

re: #106 ludwigvanquixote

They always view society as stagnant and ignore advances in both technology and culture which render their doomsday scenarios obsolete tripe. Malthus has long been discredited. Given enough technological advances and the population stabilizing effects of enlightenment social liberalism, Earth could be turned into Coruscant and still support 20 billion people.

re: #109 Wishbone

To the Englishman, religion is a private matter. Add that to the traditional English reluctance to make a fuss about anything at all and you have the exact cultural opposite of his American counterpart.

You're right in that this aspect is cultural. No different for Protestants and Catholics as it is for Jews.

Except for the frothing Muslims of the radical fringe. They're happy to shout about being Muslim until we're sick of hearing it; which was years back.

Britain had the luxury of exporting its most frothing religious lunatics to America in the XVII and XVIII centuries, where they carry on the tradition...

re: #103 Alouette

Well you were saying that Brits tolerate Jews as long as they're not "too Jewish." Moses Montefiore was about as Jewish as they come, and he used his power, wealth and influence to increase Jewish settlement in the Holy Land.

We are talking about different eras and different times.

If you think that Moses Montefiore was generally loved by the average Brit you are likely mistaken. More likely he was an alien curiosity. He was also not without his foes in the upper class.

So are you denying a certain bias against Jews and Israel in the British media and chattering class?

Do you really think that does not exist, or that it is not pretty pervasive?

re: #115 ralphieboy

Britain had the luxury of exporting its most frothing religious lunatics to America in the XVII and XVIII centuries, where they carry on the tradition...

I'd note, though, that they imported a crop not too long ago that make the puritans look like the ACLU.

re: #99 ludwigvanquixote

However, it would be foolish to argue that Jews are seen as just like every other Brit or given a fair shake when it comes to Israel.

There are parts of Britain where I could be accosted for being Protestant. There's a reason we keep our religions under our hats.

re: #98 Guanxi88

Anytime anyone starts to refer to planetary "carrying capacity", I know I'm dealing with a fanatic.

Carrying capacity can be increased, ironically, by those things that certain greenies hate, biotech foods.

re: #118 Wishbone

There are parts of Britain where I could be accosted for being Protestant. There's a reason we keep our religions under our hats.

Thats the point I was making in 105

updinged ya

re: #114 ArchangelMichael

They always view society as stagnant and ignore advances in both technology and culture which render their doomsday scenarios obsolete tripe. Malthus has long been discredited. Given enough technological advances and the population stabilizing effects of enlightenment social liberalism, Earth could be turned into Coruscant and still support 20 billion people.

And if my grand mother had wheels she would be a wagon...

1. We do not have such technology at present or in the near future.

2. In teh absence of such technology, hard limits will be reached.

3. We do however have the technology to avert the problem now. We are not doing so. If we will not take the comparatively small measures to avert a problem with tech in hand, then what makes you think we will deploy the tech that does not yet exist quickly enough?

4. Coruscant is not a nice place to live.

re: #119 Honorary Yooper

Carrying capacity can be increased, ironically, by those things that certain greenies hate, biotech foods.

That does not fit the Luddite Agenda.

re: #121 ludwigvanquixote

And if my grand mother had wheels she would be a wagon

No,, she wouldn't be

She would be an elderly lady with wheels

re: #113 sattv4u2

I have been reading along. Do you or do you not stand by what you posted in #99. If yes, I stand by my #105. If no, I'll retract it

Satt, I am not going to indulge in this. I stand by what I have been writing in its entirety.

re: #101 ludwigvanquixote

Exactly... so then if you even have that fear in the first place, what does that tell you about the general Brit attitude?

Quoting Mr. Voles once more, "This is where my claim falls to the ground." Actually, it's not quite what it seems. My fears are just fears, and they could be groundless. During the Yom Kippur war, there was debate in the House of Commons about an arms embargo to the Middle East. It just so happened that the weapons to be withheld were more important to the Israelis than her enemies. I read the debate in Hansard, and I observed that at least one of the MPs spoke of certain Jewish MPs as having "dual loyalties". I truly don't know if that attitude still prevails. It may not, and it may simply be a Jewish chimera of mine.

Responsibilities are impinging here in the meatspace. BBL.

re: #124 ludwigvanquixote

Satt, I am not going to indulge in this. I stand by what I have been writing in its entirety.

Then my #105 stands proud, downdinged by you or not

re: #125 John Neverbend

Well let's say that you are not the only Jew to notice...

re: #109 Wishbone

To the Englishman, religion is a private matter. Add that to the traditional English reluctance to make a fuss about anything at all and you have the exact cultural opposite of his American counterpart.

You're right in that this aspect is cultural. No different for Protestants and Catholics as it is for Jews.

Except for the frothing Muslims of the radical fringe. They're happy to shout about being Muslim until we're sick of hearing it; which was years back.

This is what I'm trying to say to Ludwig, except that my words aren't coming out in the way that I'd like. What you have said is exactly correct.

I'm glad to see that Harry's Place took down that obnoxious full-screen advertisement they were running for a while.

re: #106 ludwigvanquixote

Well that may or may not be true. It is certainly true though that AGW will severely limit food production and fresh water, while the population is growing.

People do need to eat and drink.

While I admit that there are some who use crazy language to describe the very real threat, and I admit that some are just crazy, the realities of AGW are actually quite grim in terms of basic needs.

Your view is far too narrow, IMHO. It discounts human ingenuity and forgets about engineering and scientific advancement.

re: #117 Guanxi88

I'd note, though, that they imported a crop not too long ago that make the puritans look like the ACLU.

This crop they "imported" stems predominantly from their old Empire. Nobody forced them to go off and conquer a qharter of the Earth's surface, and if they come home to roost, it also has to do with their own history.

re: #123 sattv4u2

And if my grand mother had wheels she would be a wagon

No,, she wouldn't be

She would be an elderly lady with wheels

Uh, actually, that's a quote from "Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock."

Mask? What mask?

Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just don't want you to know
I can see through your masks

--Bob Dylan

And that goes for Nobel Peace Prize winners, too.

re: #128 ludwigvanquixote

Well let's say that you are not the only Jew to notice...

As a matter of fact, it was my late aunt who made the comment to me some years ago. I think it was reasonable, but I hope incorrect.

re: #130 Charles

I'm glad to see that Harry's Place took down that obnoxious full-screen advertisement they were running for a while.

I'm almost a skeered to ask what it was ,,, but I am curious

re: #133 sffilk

Uh, actually, that's a quote from "Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock."

Understood, but it would still not make "her" a wagon

re: #109 Wishbone

To the Englishman, religion is a private matter. Add that to the traditional English reluctance to make a fuss about anything at all and you have the exact cultural opposite of his American counterpart.

You're right in that this aspect is cultural. No different for Protestants and Catholics as it is for Jews.

Except for the frothing Muslims of the radical fringe. They're happy to shout about being Muslim until we're sick of hearing it; which was years back.

This I hear.

In no way am I trying to say that all Brits are anti-semitic.

However, there are certain lines that we Jews hear again and again, and always in a cultivated and educated British accent that make many of us more than a little weary.

The there are things like the Teacher's union boycotts or the various slanders that routinely go out in BBC and the Guardian.

Again I am not saying that all of Britain thinks this way. However, it is very foolish to pretend that there is not a strong undercurrent.

re: #121 ludwigvanquixote

And if my grand mother had wheels she would be a wagon...

1. We do not have such technology at present or in the near future.

2. In teh absence of such technology, hard limits will be reached.

3. We do however have the technology to avert the problem now. We are not doing so. If we will not take the comparatively small measures to avert a problem with tech in hand, then what makes you think we will deploy the tech that does not yet exist quickly enough?

4. Coruscant is not a nice place to live.

1. We do have technology. There are biotech foods, and we are developing new hybrids all the time. We also have a wonderful source of water that we fail to use in desalination.

2. Why do you think such techology is absent?

3. We cannot avoid the problem of AGW (or even natural climate change for that matter). We must adapt, and adapt we shall as we always have.

4. Depends on whether you like a planet-wide city or not. I'm sure a Coruscantian would disagree.

re: #118 Wishbone

There are parts of Britain where I could be accosted for being Protestant. There's a reason we keep our religions under our hats.

Are you a Scouser?

re: #121 ludwigvanquixote

4. Coruscant is not a nice place to live.

Nicer than Giedi Prime anyways.

re: #122 ArchangelMichael

That does not fit the Luddite Agenda.

It never does. If the Luddites had their way, we'd all be back in the 16th Century (funny, the creationists want us there too).

re: #139 Politically Understated Nuance

OMG! Somebody left the door open!

/

Welcome, hatchling.

re: #143 Honorary Yooper

It never does. If the Luddites had their way, we'd all be back in the 16th Century (funny, the creationists want us there too).

Nah, they want to keep all the shiny stuff that science has given them. They just don't want science to get any credit.

re: #139 Politically Understated Nuance

The news of the Islamic overthrow of Europe is greatly exaggerated.

Welcome, btw.

re: #132 ralphieboy

This crop they "imported" stems predominantly from their old Empire. Nobody forced them to go off and conquer a qharter of the Earth's surface, and if they come home to roost, it also has to do with their own history.

Multi-generational revenge, is it? Look, there's no point in gloating over the loss of one crop of extremists if one isn't willing to acknowledge that another one got imported, or imported itself.

Given what we know about the British Empire, I daresay it couldn't have been too awful, given the great enthusiasm with which the descendants of their subjects flock back to the belly of the beast.

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nicer than Giedi Prime anyways.

Depends on the season.

re: #145 JasonA

Nah, they want to keep all the shiny stuff that science has given them. They just don't want science to get any credit.

Heh. The funny thing is, it never works out that way. You either continue with the science and engineering or you lose it and fail to maintain what modern science and engineering has wrought. Neither the luddites nor the creationists seem to understand this.

re: #121 ludwigvanquixote

3. We do however have the technology to avert the problem now. We are not doing so. If we will not take the comparatively small measures to avert a problem with tech in hand, then what makes you think we will deploy the tech that does not yet exist quickly enough?

Very true.

We won't do it because "we" is not an operative concept. Certainly not for matters that extend more than five days into the future. The human mind cannot focus that far in advance. Not as a collective, at least.

Which is why "pessimism" is so weak a word when applied to my take on the situation. You can have all the settled science in the universe, yet when it comes down to the real world humanity will either muddle through or perish. Or make things even worse with eco-fascism.

re: #121 ludwigvanquixote

And if my grand mother had wheels she would be a wagon...

1. We do not have such technology at present or in the near future.

We didn't have GM foods, nuclear power, women's suffrage, legalized abortion or other aspects of 'social liberalism' when Malthus was around either.

2. In teh absence of such technology, hard limits will be reached.

And I stated specifically that I was speaking not in the absence of technology. Every previous 'ZOMG Apocalypse!' that has been theorized by the chattering classes in history has been foiled by technological and cultural advancement.

3. We do however have the technology to avert the problem now. We are not doing so. If we will not take the comparatively small measures to avert a problem with tech in hand, then what makes you think we will deploy the tech that does not yet exist quickly enough?

We don't quite have the tech to support a ecumenopolis, but my point was there is no reason to think at some point in the future we couldn't.

4. Coruscant is not a nice place to live.

I don't think most cities are but that's because I don't like crowds or hearing my neighbors yell at their kids or have sex through the walls. I'd rather have Coruscant or Trantor than Giedi Prime though.

re: #147 Guanxi88

Multi-generational revenge, is it? Look, there's no point in gloating over the loss of one crop of extremists if one isn't willing to acknowledge that another one got imported, or imported itself.

Given what we know about the British Empire, I daresay it couldn't have been too awful, given the great enthusiasm with which the descendants of their subjects flock back to the belly of the beast.

But once again, nobody made the British go off and found an empire on which the sun never used to set. Now it is finding its way back to them...

It got whacked.

I taught I taw a sock puppet!

re: #116 ludwigvanquixote

We are talking about different eras and different times.

If you think that Moses Montefiore was generally loved by the average Brit you are likely mistaken. More likely he was an alien curiosity. He was also not without his foes in the upper class.

So are you denying a certain bias against Jews and Israel in the British media and chattering class?

Do you really think that does not exist, or that it is not pretty pervasive?

I am certainly not denying that there has always been anti-Semitism among the British upper class. Moses Montefiore was an anomaly, among Brits and among British Jews.

Poof!

re: #140 Honorary Yooper

I strongly disagree with you. I alas must get back to work, so I can't engage your points entirely. No technology matters if you do not employ it in time and the magnitude of what is happening with AGW is as far beyond our capacity to easily deal with (if we pass a tipping point) as getting to another star is.

But what really steams me is that you are just way way off about Coruscant... I can't let that one stand. It is too much.

Did you ever read about the undercity? The place is crawling with mutants, hives of scum and villainy and all sorts of other nasty.

It makes the undercity of Taris look like a park on Naboo. What kind of Starwars Nerd are you?

Jeeesh!

///

WTF was that? Driveby Eurabia-phobic puke bombs?

re: #139 Politically Understated Nuance

Sorry, but if you registered at LGF to post apologies for the BNP, you're at the wrong blog. I'm sure you'll be happier elsewhere.

re: #154 MandyManners

It got whacked.

Not nuanced enough, I guess.

re: #155 John Neverbend

I taught I taw a sock puppet!

Stinky eated the sock puppet.

re: #153 ralphieboy

But once again, nobody made the British go off and found an empire on which the sun never used to set. Now it is finding its way back to them...

And nobody made us buy a used empire from them when they were done, either. But we did - and added it on to the one we had already started.

re: #140 Honorary Yooper

4. Depends on whether you like a planet-wide city or not. I'm sure a Coruscantian would disagree.

Not an issue, in any case. Worldwide population growth has been slowing for some time; projections indicate that it will peak at around 8 or 9 billion somewhere around 2050, and decline thereafter.

re: #141 John Neverbend

Are you a Scouser?

Yes, he is.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.

re: #153 ralphieboy

But once again, nobody made the British go off and found an empire on which the sun never used to set. Now it is finding its way back to them...

First off, there were compelling reasons for the British Empire - the Brit's probably did not set out, initially, to have a planetary dominion, but that's what they ended up with. These things take on a logical and inertia of their own once they get started.

Secondly, the fact of the Empire hardly negates, mitigates, or explains, the current difficulties they are encountering with a small percentage of one of their largest groups of new immigrants. Again, if I had to pick with which crop of zanies I'd rather contend, it'd be with the physical and spiritual descendants of the Puritans.

re: #1 Thanos

Yet Crazy Pam and the Kahanist wing is still willing to partner with these creeps

Who are the 'Kahanist wing'? Do Kach or the JDL or Kahane Chai have any connection to this bunch?

re: #165 iceweasel

Yes, he is.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.

May I ask how you know that he is?

re: #138 ludwigvanquixote

You'll note that these same lines you keep hearing come mostly from a particular direction of the political spectrum. The lefties in this country always have been batshit crazy. They've made it entirely acceptable amongst themselves to go after a race or religion as easily as they go for a national disagreement. If anybody did it to Muslim nations, it would be racism. Israel is the enemy of progressive thinking in their eyes, ergo Jews are fair game. They're allowed to do that... 'cos they said so. makes you sick.

re: #141 John Neverbend

Yup... not so strange you had to ask. Had I the opportunity to speak here rather than type, there would have been no doubt in the first sentence :)

re: #158 ludwigvanquixote

And I very strongly disagree with you. You seem to have a very narrow view of human scienific advancement and engineering (which I find very ironic given your chosen field).

re: #169 Wishbone

Yup... not so strange you had to ask. Had I the opportunity to speak here rather than type, there would have been no doubt in the first sentence :)

Takes one to know one.

re: #9 iceweasel

And there is something ELSE extremely weird about this:

Can we even imagine someone in the US being described in a major publication as 'one of the country's most prominent Jews" or 'African-Americans' or 'lesbians' or "italian americans' or whatever?

I certainly am not trying to distract from us kicking hell out of the BNP, but WTF...

Being Jewish in Britain's a bit different from being Jewish in the States.

re: #168 John Neverbend

May I ask how you know that he is?

Because he's said.

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

If you take a tour of the sewer of the "anti-jihad" blogs you will find their blogs in the sidebars of many.

re: #161 wrenchwench

Not nuanced enough, I guess.

I had to blink several times while trying to digest what it said.

re: #173 iceweasel

Because he's said.

Duh, I must have missed that.

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nicer than Giedi Prime anyways.

Upding for the GMTA Giedi Prime reference.

re: #166 Guanxi88

First off, there were compelling reasons for the British Empire - the Brit's probably did not set out, initially, to have a planetary dominion, but that's what they ended up with. These things take on a logical and inertia of their own once they get started.

Secondly, the fact of the Empire hardly negates, mitigates, or explains, the current difficulties they are encountering with a small percentage of one of their largest groups of new immigrants. Again, if I had to pick with which crop of zanies I'd rather contend, it'd be with the physical and spiritual descendants of the Puritans.

Imperialsm was just a given even a hundred years ago, and the British Empire was a humane and progressive one as far as empires go. But it was still an empire.

I am not saying they deserve their problems as just retribution, but look at where the bulk of Britains immigrants come from.

re: #21 lawhawk

Anti Semitism is a bubbling undercurrent in the British media, and the Guardian is worse than the rest.

Julie Burchill said that was part of the reason she stopped writing for them. She seeing herself as a representative of the British working class, who, I will remind folks, were the people who went out into the streets of Whitechapel to tell Mosely and his domestic facists where to shove it.

re: #170 Honorary Yooper

And I very strongly disagree with you. You seem to have a very narrow view of human scienific advancement and engineering (which I find very ironic given your chosen field).

Look, we really do have the technology to switch away from fossil fuels. If we start doing that seriously now, That is using technology to solve the problem.

If we let the problem fully germinate - Ie. we tip the bogs, it is out of our hands and no, we do not now, or in the near future have any tech that will save us.

This is a global problem we do noe the resources or the economy to get people the water they need or the food they need.

I wrote a post a while back about just what it would take to provide desalinized water to the American midwest. We are talking hundreds of trillions of dollars for that alone.

As to adapt and survive, you are right. The survivors of an eco collapse will adept to a new and much less densely populated environment.

re: #171 John Neverbend

Oh aye? Which part of the Republic of Liverpool did you hail from mate?

Walton lad meself.

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

The British Jews I know tend to be shocked by American Jews in that we are so openly Jewish. They have been taught through generations never to stick out or be different or there will be consequences.

This is not to say that all Brits are antisemites - far from it. However, Jews in Britain are something of a curiosity to the Brits. The actual anti-semitism is cloaked in ohhh so reasonable and erudite tones by the British chattering class and upper class.

There has always been a glass ceiling. Jews are OK if they are not "too Jewish" and the arguments that get made in that condescending Brit intellectual manner are always about how the Jews are these fussy people who go on and on about things that no reasonable person would go on about, like God, or a right to their own capital, or not to be rocketed etc...

One honest look at the reporting of the BBC or the Gaurdian (G-d help you) on Israel will let you see this. The rantings of Galloway and Livingston make it more clear as do the teacher's unions.

But it is no better for a British Jew from the right. The righties were never convinced that Jews belong in Britain in the first place. They still doubt Cromwell on that one.

However, both set rarely come out with open hatred of Jews per se. It is a genteel and sneering anti-semitism.

Now to be wholly fair, the average Brit does not hate Jews. He really doesn't know the first thing about them and he doesn't know too many (if any personally). He is awash in what the British media says about them though.

I did a year of rabbinic courses in Britain. I was appalled by a lot of the above that you describe--and appalled at how such a small community is so taken up with vicious infighting.

re: #176 John Neverbend

Duh, I must have missed that.

No worries-- it was in another thread, and besides the thread is dead. :)

Also I think he's got a liverpool somewhat or other in avatar now, no? or did.

re: #178 ralphieboy

Imperialsm was just a given even a hundred years ago, and the British Empire was a humane and progressive one as far as empires go. But it was still an empire.

I am not saying they deserve their problems as just retribution, but look at where the bulk of Britains immigrants come from.

In fairness, where else would they come from? That they should go to Britain makes some sort of sense, albeit slightly odd. It's a strange thing to think of, though, isn't it? I mean, just a few generations back, Britishers ran most of the world, and now, here they are, caught, at the extremes, between BNP on the one side, and sharia-partisans on the other. It's an odd thing, really - I wonder if this is what happens to all great empires that manage to survive the loss of power.

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here we go again.

Syria: Israel tried to 'demolish' Aksa Mosque, destroy Arab culture

Yes, because we keep Arab culture up there. If the Jews had been able to find it...

/OK, I'm getting angry now.

Off Topic Republican Death Spiral Watch:

Pawlenty Backs Hoffman in NY-23

*sigh*

re: #181 Wishbone

Oh aye? Which part of the Republic of Liverpool did you hail from mate?

Walton lad meself.

Near Aigburth likhhhe. I could have walked to the Lancashire County Cricket Club in 10-15 minutes.

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

I did a year of rabbinic courses in Britain. I was appalled by a lot of the above that you describe--and appalled at how such a small community is so taken up with vicious infighting.

As Dr. Kissinger observed - the infighting in small groups is so vicious precisely because the stakes are so very small.

re: #183 iceweasel

No worries-- it was in another thread, and besides the thread is dead. :)

Also I think he's got a liverpool somewhat or other in avatar now, no? or did.

Yes, he has the Liverpool FC logo, and that's what piqued my curiosity.

re: #184 Guanxi88

I does :)

...Whooo the F*** are Man Uniiited!...Who the F*** are Man Uniiited!... Et Cetera, Ad Nauseum and to my great delight... :)

re: #181 Wishbone

Oh aye? Which part of the Republic of Liverpool did you hail from mate?

Walton lad meself.

Wanton is all I am.

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

I did a year of rabbinic courses in Britain. I was appalled by a lot of the above that you describe--and appalled at how such a small community is so taken up with vicious infighting.

Infighting? Do you mean orthodox v conservative v reform or something else?

re: #36 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I got the impression when I lived in England that there's some racism in their culture that's completely acceptable. For instance, I knew students who were Liberal, educated and didn't seem racist who would refer to the local Chinese restaurant as "the chinkies."

Jaw repeatedly dropped at the crap that would come out of the mouths of normal looking educated people while I was living in London. Different set of social standards. No one warned me.

re: #184 Guanxi88

In fairness, where else would they come from? That they should go to Britain makes some sort of sense, albeit slightly odd. It's a strange thing to think of, though, isn't it? I mean, just a few generations back, Britishers ran most of the world, and now, here they are, caught, at the extremes, between BNP on the one side, and sharia-partisans on the other. It's an odd thing, really - I wonder if this is what happens to all great empires that manage to survive the loss of power.

Britain was a relatively progressive and humane empire, but it was still imperialist: their chief criterion in colonial policy was maintaining their own economic and political interests, not necessaritly in improving the lot of their colonial charges.

So if they are getting stuck with the results of their Age of Empire, then it is up to them to find ways of dealing with it

PIMF

re: #180 ludwigvanquixote

Look, we really do have the technology to switch away from fossil fuels. If we start doing that seriously now, that would be using technology to solve the problem.

If we let the problem fully germinate - ie. we tip the bogs, it is out of our hands and no, we do not now, or in the near future, have any tech that will save us.

This is a global problem. We do not have the resources or the economy to get people the water they need or the food they need.

I wrote a post a while back about just what it would take to provide desalinized water to the American midwest. We are talking hundreds of trillions of dollars for that alone.

As to adapt and survive, you are right. The survivors of an eco collapse will adept to a new and much less densely populated environment.

re: #190 Wishbone

Note to self... Next time click reply on correct post.

re: #187 John Neverbend

Heh... I know 'Eggy' very well. Had some good piss ups at the cricket club and have been known to enjoy a bevvy at the Kingsman in ones school lunch hour. Straight to the shop for mints right after mind you... ;)

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Look, even Brits I tend to like, like Dawkins and Pat Condell come out with the standard Brit intelligentsia lines. Pat Condell, for instance, has a whole rant about how we Jews should "just give Jerusalem back, because it isn't yours and you know it." My response to that is well, aren't you always going on about not wanting to loose London and Western culture as you see it?

And therin lies the rub. To the Brit intelligentsia, we are not to be given the same standing of the rest of Western civilization, even if we are one of the founding cultures.

"What's ours is ours, and what's yours belongs to whoever we think it would be fair or convenient for it to belong to." Oddly, though anti-Israel types use this word differently, that may be the very definition of imperialism.

re: #189 John Neverbend

Yes, he has the Liverpool FC logo, and that's what piqued my curiosity.

Oh cute-- yes, I thought I remembered that. It came up elsewhere as well. i was too lazy to check the avatar again, but remembered he'd confirmed it.

From Harry's Place -

One in five would consider voting for the BNP?

‘One in five “would consider voting BNP”‘ stated The Telegraph in the aftermath of Nick Griffin’s Question Time debut.

This claim was quickly picked up by other newspapers and spread all over the internet, leaving the impression that the BNP’s support is now quite considerable.

However, just how accurate are these polls? A look at a campaigning group on the BNP’s ’social network’ suggests they could be highly unrepresentative of genuine public opinion, thanks to deliberate attempts by the BNP to skew the results in their favour.

The group in question is named ‘YOUGOV – Let’s increase BNP’s support in polls, and raise money at the same time!’ and currently has 606 members (you don’t have to be a member to view it, though).

The group’s description states:

Despite recently getting two MEPs elected our support in Yougov polls has recently dropped to 3% (just 1% in Scotland).
One of the main reasons people don’t vote for us is because they believe we are a wasted vote, and it’s online polls such as Yougov that give them this impression!
If EVERY BNP supporter joined Yougov, we could put our support on a par with the Lib Dems and possibly higher!
On top of this we could actually raise money for the Party via Yougov as you actually get paid for participating in surveys.
I have already been sent a £50 cheque by Yougov which I donated to the party.
Imagine if every BNP supporter signed up to Yougov and every few weeks, raised £50 which was donated to the party.
The party could potentially get £100,000’s per year via Yougov!!!
Also if you join Yougov via the referral link below Yougov will send me the equivalent amount in survey credit for each survey they complete during their first three months of membership. Therefore potentially DOUBLING the money raised for the party!
You can also send your referral link to your friends and family, and therefore increasing the amount you raise for the party.
I’m very close to receiving my second cheque which I would really like to donate towards the legal battle against the treacherous extremist-lefties of the CEHR.

Under ‘news’ we read:

NEWS UPDATE!

YOUGOV: BNP APPROVAL RATING UP TO 22%!

This now puts the BNP ahead of the Lib Dems!

Make sure you forward this group, or just the link onto your friends and family.

Together we CAN make a REAL difference.

THANK YOU

Next time you read about polls showing the BNP’s support is supposedly increasing by the day, bear this in mind.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

re: #174 Thanos

If you take a tour of the sewer of the "anti-jihad" blogs you will find their blogs in the sidebars of many.

God have mercy. I knew they were violent and crazy. I didn't know they were stupid.

re: #188 Guanxi88

As Dr. Kissinger observed - the infighting in small groups is so vicious precisely because the stakes are so very small.

I was not prepared.

re: #199 Jimmah

Suggest you post this again on the newest thread as well. I knew those polls were buggered. So to speak.

hello, Jim-ski. :)

re: #202 iceweasel

Suggest you post this again on the newest thread as well. I knew those polls were buggered. So to speak.

hello, Jim-ski. :)

Hi ice-ski :) Done. Unfortunately, some damage may already have been done by this.

re: #192 John Neverbend

Infighting? Do you mean orthodox v conservative v reform or something else?

Orthodox vs. Reform, mostly.

A professor told us, one day, in class, that if the Orthodox 'got into power', they would burn the Reform rabbis at the stake, for heresy.

She was not kidding.

re: #137 sattv4u2

Understood, but it would still not make "her" a wagon

Uh, comic relief?

Oh come on. Britain is not antisemitic. The Guardian is certainly not antisemitic either, don't throw that term around lest it totally loses its meaning.

And for the record, I have seen the term "prominent muslim" very often as well, doesn't mean that I think the news outlet writing that is anti-islamic. A bit of perspective might do people good one thinks.